The Rewatchables - ‘The Hangover’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: May 26, 2019

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey try to figure out what happened last night as they talk about ‘The Hangover’ starring Bradley Cooper, Ed Helms, and Zach Galifinakas. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Truly unhinged podcast. Yeah. Yeah. And now? If you always wanted to hear Al Pacino talk about the Knicks. Yeah, there's a lot of Pacino. And then imagine three guys doing Al Pacino talking.

about the Knicks, it's fair. Well, now we're going to talk about the hangover and where the best three friends that anyone could ever have. Here we go. What happened last night? Are I missing a tooth? Whose baby is that?

Check its collar or something. I looked everywhere. Nobody's seen Doug. He's not here. Who's your car officer? All right, everybody, yeah, cool. Let's just get there and go. What's going on?

I lost the shoes. I married a whore. How dare you? She's a nice lady. Some guys just can't handle Vegas. Mike Tyson? This is my favorite part coming up right now. Oh, shit.

I'm just saying. He still got it. All right, the hangover. God, this was a satisfying movie. 2009. End of a really, really fun comedy decade. and the one that did the best that put it all together.

I saw this movie in the theater with Adam Carole and he actually was sad at the end of it because I think he saw this $500 million movie that he probably could have written with somebody else just go up in flames. It's one of those ideas anyone could have had and they just did a great job. It's right in touching distance.

You're like, how did nobody think of this before? They just capitalized on it. This thing was a monster and 10 years later, which the anniversary is this month. It's really fucking funny still. It just is delightful to watch. I love it.

This really is the definition of rewatchable because it's on cable a lot. I always get sucked in in certain scenes, but watching it beginning to end, I just love it. I feel like it's getting better. I was going to say I feel like it would be useful to just completely table what's age the worst

in this whole conversation. We shouldn't even do it. It would ruin what's fun about the movie. No. I was going to say what's age the worst is Ed Helms' glasses frames. I'm really not into those like little rectangles. Yeah, sure. Yeah.

I didn't like, fat Mike Tyson was kind of a bummer. He's a better shape now. I wish they should CGI his pot belly in this movie. Like get a little George Lucas going? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But that's like, this movie's so satisfying. And also really interesting to rewatch in the context of what happened to Bradley Cooper because I think this was the movie when we realized he was a major star. And he wasn't even the biggest star in this movie.

in terms of, like, impact, because I think this was the Galapinacus breakout movie. But Cooper's just so good in this. He's perfect. And that led to Limitless, which just led to Cooper. Well, Chris, the biggest thing that stands out to you 10 years later. By far, Cooper. But especially watching it now, the interesting thing is that I feel like one of the things I associate with Bradley Cooper throughout the lot. And then the 10 years that follow this movie is a certain kind of sincerity and a certain kind of, like, really wide-eyed, do I?

Like, yeah, man, we're making great art. together and it's really cool. And even though he's done like some comedies and some action movies or whatever, but man, like he's such a cynical piece of shit in this movie. And it's so contrary to everything he did afterwards where it's like Silver Lank's Playbook and even American Hustle where it's just like so, it's so like raw and genuine. But this guy is such a slithering prick in this movie. But you everybody has a fill in their life.

Everybody has that friend who can just talk them into anything. And the way he goes through this entire movie. being like, don't worry about it. I know a guy in L.A. is going to fix the interior. It's like, it's such a dead-on characterization. And it's, uh... And he's also a really good friend.

It's like, even at the end, and Ed Helms is breaking up with his girlfriend and they cut to Cooper and he just has this really happy, genuine look on his face. It's not like he's like a total bad person. He's just that friend you have. I think it's also a pretty stunningly accurate representation of the one friend you have on the Bachelor Party

who has a wife and has kids, but it's just a fucking shit. shit lord for the whole weekend. It's just like, this guy smoked 400 cigarettes. He lost 10 grand at the tables, and he had sex with a prostitute. And this is how this guy lives his life. It may not be how I live my life. This is what this guy is doing with his life.

Why are you bringing up Zach Barron? And he never has a credit card. You know, like as soon as you're sitting down, it's like, yeah, Stu, get this. Yeah, exactly. He's broke a shit. At my bachelor party, one of my friends who shall not be named disappeared for 28 hours. And it was basically the plot of the hangover where we... Do you ever find out what happened to him or was it darker than what happened to Bartha?

It's unclear. Really? He just showed up. We located him the next day. I guess it wasn't 24 hours. So there's a couple of different Bachelor Party moves. There's that one where it's like the guy who's like, hey, I'm going to go play blackjack. And then he just doesn't come back.

Yeah. And then that guy shows up at brunch the next day and is like, did you guys have fun last night? Yeah. But then there's like, there's the guy who is just like, we need to have a body man on this guy because he could start. like he could cause civil unrest. It could be a Vegas tsunami. Yeah. Right.

I had a friend at my bachelor party who went to casino jail. Yeah. He needed a body man the whole time. If he was begging someone to arrest him, he was like, I dare you to arrest me. Yeah. Yeah. That's one version. I don't know if they had one of those guys in the hangover.

No, but I think ultimately it's a friendship movie. And it brings a lot of elements that I love about Vegas, like the fact that when you go, like them on the roof, it's like, yeah, we did it. Now Vegas has become such a cliche in some of the ways. I wanted to ask you about this because you're a Vegasologist. I am. And I feel like I was kind of on that initial wave because I was writing about Vegas a lot on ESPN. And it really started mid-90s and Snowballed and Snowballed.

And the whole culture of Vegas really became a thing. And now it's a cliche. But that decade there really was that feeling of you go to Vegas, you do the Vegas, Vegas. Swingers joke when you can see the sky, you know, that drive to Vegas is so iconic. and then the whole weekend, anything can happen. You're with your buddies. There's always that one person who didn't totally belong, which is why Alan is such a crucial character in this.

The group you have is never the perfect group. There's always the one that it's like, oh, well, this guy's here too. All right. And it just hits all those really smartly. And people got mad because I think creative people were probably frustrated when this movie made $500 million. He's like, fuck.

This movie was sitting here all decade for anybody. But the thing that sticks out to me, you ask Chris what you remember from it or what jumps out to you, the thing that jumps out to me is the one genius decision they made, which is they made a crazy Vegas movie, but they didn't really show you the crazy Vegas movie. You know, by not giving us that first night and then obviously putting it in that amazing and credit sequence, it was just one small creative choice that makes the movie so much better, so much more interesting and probably is one of the reasons why if you just made like four guys have one wild night, there have been like a thousand movies like that. That's not interesting. This is like a mystery. It's a detective movie. Exactly. Yeah.

And it's a detective movie set right in that moment before smartphones would have basically like made this a moot point. Like they wouldn't have needed to. Like Phil taking all those little notes and like detective style like in his notebook about like, okay, so we were here. We remember Doug being here. We went to this chapel. That wouldn't have happened. That would have just everybody, somebody would just had it all on their camera roll. There would have been text messages.

There would have been, you know, all that stuff. So it's like a perfect little time capsule. The thing I was kind of thinking about a lot with this movie. So this comes out, 09. Swingers is 96, right? Yeah. In between, there's entourage. And I think you can look at that era as like this, not ironic,

but like it was a time period of like sometimes ironic, sometimes not ironic embrace of like brodom and indulgence. Like, you know, let's go to fucking Vegas. Let's like drink like a bottle of vodka. Let's blow a lot of money. It was like a very specific time that I remember. I didn't even really get to go to Vegas until I moved out here, which was like 2012. But even going to Atlantic City and stuff like that, I remember that being kind of a factor.

It was like a weird, it was a weird 10-year run there. Rounders is part of that, too. I remember for my old website, the biggest column I wrote was in March 99. I went to Vegas for the weekend with my buddies. And I just wrote a whole piece about it, like a really long, here's a running diary of what happened. Isn't there something with like somebody pissing in a plant or something? The Undertaker. I pissed next to the Undertaker. So that was like one of the big stories from it.

But I just did a Running Diar and I was like, I don't even know if anyone's going to read this, but I just kind of wanted to get it all down on paper. It was funny to us. And then that thing got passed around and people were like, yeah, Vegas. And it just felt like, especially like the first weekend of March Badness. There are all these little Vegas things that was still underground for a while. And I remember I wrote about Vegas on ESPN.com a bunch of times. 09 was the last driver wrote about it.

We had a 40th birthday party. And I did this giant piece about it. And that was it. I retired from Vegas columns. But it really was like every group of buddies, you kind of had to do Vegas. If you didn't do it, it was weird. Yeah, you definitely mythologized it for me as a reader back then. And I remember thinking it had a certain kind of identity.

And then when I got out here and started going much more frequently, and I go probably four or five times a year at this point, I love Vegas. But I have a very different relationship to it. Like, I do like to party there. But for the most part, I like to go there as sort of like the way a kid would go to Disneyland. Yeah. You know, where I'm like, there's only, like, a couple things that you can do, like, only in this one place.

I will say, one thing that stuck out to me about this movie, too, though, is that this feels like the last vestiges of a different kind of Vegas. Yeah. I think they know that because, like, they got to shoot in Caesars and they got to get away with a lot of stuff. And I think initially, like, some of the hotels were a little bit, like, ah. I was still dingy. Not super sure, but Cesar's was like, go ahead and shoot here. It's okay. And they, like, they stole a lot of stuff.

They say in the oral history and the Hollywood Reporter of, like, they, they, they, We just got the fountains. We walked by the fountains, and we happened to get them when they were dancing. It wasn't like we were in control yet. But didn't, in that oral history, they talked about this was like an amazing movie for Cesar's. Oh, it was. It really like, and Cesar's was not cool last decade. It was really struggling, and it was kind of between areas.

It reinvented itself. It was basically the kind of aging hotel that had been passed by Mandalay and by Winn and by Bologio and a couple of the newer ones. Yeah. And Caesars was like where all the fights had happened was it's going to fame. And that it also had a great gimmick. This movie helped rejuvenate it. So two things about that. One, I think one of the things that is different about Vegas now is the idea of going out to Vegas and bouncing to four or five casinos.

I don't think that happens anymore. I think you can go to most of the major big casino hotels and just not leave and still have a great time. I don't think I left like more than if I, unless I have to. They all have a club. They all have 10 restaurants. They all have. Ten really good restaurants. Two different casinos.

Like, Vegas has changed so much since I went there in the aughts. And so this whole idea of them having one wild night and bouncing from casino to casino, I don't even think would make as much sense at a bachelor party. It's almost inconvenient to leave. Yeah, because we went to the palm, we went to hard rock. Exactly. The other thing. There's usually two casino moves.

I remember in the early 2000s, Mandalay became a place, and it was really far down on the strip. And if you were going to go to the palms from Mandalay, it was like, all right, that's ambitious. You got to wait in a tax cab line. 15 to 20 minutes just to get to the palms. You're making the decision. You're at the palms from that point on. Now, like you guys are saying, like, you just stay at Caesars.

We did that last year at Summer League. Leaving Caesars kind of was counterproductive unless... It felt like a waste of time. Yeah. If you stay at the RAA, if you stay at the Cosmo, if you stay at the Wynn, if you stay at the Venetian, like all of those hotels have so much shit happening inside of them. Yeah.

You don't have to leave. Was the vibe different in that first decade the 2000s, like, would you see weirder stuff happening? Yeah, it was for, we started going in 95, and it was really underground at that point. And it was Vegas was still Vegas, but it was way less people. It was easier to get deals. We stayed at Treasure Island in the late 90s. Cheap.

It's cheap as easy. Yeah, it was cheap. We always had pretty good luck there. Going to Mandalay was like a step up for us, but, you know, it was just different. It was all dudes, especially in March Madness. It was not, there were never bachelor parties there or any of that stuff. That was never happening. And it was just like groups of dudes or people that were like lifers.

And over the course of last decade, you could feel it shifting. And then by, I remember Sal and I went, I remember if I wrote about this or not, but we went with our wives and our kids in like 2006, 2007 who did like Family Vegas. And it was great. They didn't realize. And they had all these stroller entrances that we didn't know they had. And it was like taking Vegas. Vegas and just flipping it.

But I've had every experience you can have in Vegas. And this movie is on a short list of movies that when I watch it, it just makes me want to go to Vegas. Right? Yeah, for sure. Yeah. That's not a long list. There's probably like five to seven movies that you're just like, fucking Vegas, man.

I got to go. And also now that I've gone to Summer League a couple of times and you have to go from the hotels over towards UNLV and you get to see a little bit more of Las Vegas itself, this movie largely takes place outside of the strip. It mostly takes place in the chapel, the motels, all these weird parking lots, and these guys get it, and then they get pulled out of it. The Mojave.

And it really does capture, like, that place is, it's almost impossible to describe how insanely weird it is that in the middle of, it's like a moonscape, they just put this city down. And then it's, even outside the strip, it's surrounded by like, no offense, but relatively depressing city. You know what I mean?

Like outside of the strip, you're like, man, this is just like... You're in the desert. Yeah. I mean, suburban Vegas has also come a long way. It's actually gotten a lot nicer over the last 10 or 15 years. Tax-free. But it is, I mean, that was by design what you're talking about. Oasis in the desert when the mafia started building out there and developing, like, that

was what they were looking for. They were looking for like a getaway where they could build a business where they would be relatively unencumbered in what was thought to be like a cavalier state. You know, a state that didn't have as aggressive, like, laws that were as aggressive so they can get away with a lot more. There was also, like, I think for 20-somethings, going to a place like Vegas where you fly there, and you really have a number in your head

that you can't lose more than that number. Oh, yeah, I always see that. But even, like, that's one of my favorite little details is Phil's, like, envelope, where it's like, that's literally all the money he has. That he's stolen from his children. But still is, like, he goes there with however many hundred dollars.

When you're 27, that number, I remember going there a couple years, the number was like, $700 for me. And you lose $500 and two hours. And then it's like I'm done for the night guys. It's like you get wiped out. It's like football. You're in the stretcher getting carried off the field. I don't know if I talked about this when we did rounders

last year. But I definitely did that when I would go to the Turning Stone Casino in Syracuse, New York when I was in college. But it was like $180. It was like if I lose this, I'm definitely not eating tomorrow. And I have to just drive home. And I have to drive home. But if I literally play my cards right, I'll be eating nine pizzas tomorrow. And it was like, that was the calculus. So, like, I can really relate to Phil's perils.

Fortunately, I didn't have kids at that time. And I wasn't a complete fucking scumbag. But I had the same reaction watching last night. I texted my friends. I'm on a Vegas group chain with friends, one who lives there and two, who we always meet up once a year. And I was like, just confirming, are we actually going on November 1st to Vegas? And they were like, yes, we're all going. So it's a great power of the movie.

It's good. I think that, I mean, in some ways, I can't imagine you topping last Summer League and your podcast with Chang and House after that night. Yeah, that really was. That actually is like, you know, people are like, oh man, did you ever hear that episode of Marin? Like, that's my favorite podcast ever made. It was the biggest post game show. I just felt like I was falling off a cliff the entire time you guys were talking where you're just like Chang, bleary-eyed, full of, like, gumbo from God knows where because it is a landlocked desert. and just being like, man, I was like triple betting into some random guy,

three rows back on a blackjack. I love the action and you're like, I understand. It was incredible. It was like the McCauley-Hanna scene. He was mad at me that I kept him gambling at 4 in the morning, so he started double betting just to either win or lose so he could get out either way. You guys got locked in some sort of weird, what are the rules of betting? Yeah.

Ardemeant, too, that was like so arcane. I couldn't even understand it. What game were you talking? Was it craps? What were you talking about? That was craps. And Jane was like betting three years. He lost his mind with craps.

Yeah. He basically exposed himself to just collateral damage all over the place with one seven, which is what happened, which is why I hate craps. I've been a bunch of times. I still love it. I just go now. I have dinner and I just play blackjack for 12 straight hours. That was you in Summer League.

There was a lot of blackjack. Yeah, I'm really not that fun to go with unless you want to play blackjack with me. But I'm really fun to play blackjack with. The other thing we should talk about this movie is this insane bet that Todd Phillips made, which is like almost too good for half-fass internet research where his director's fee, I think, was $6.5 million. And then legendary wanted to cut the budget. They didn't get any of the stars they thought they were going to get.

And they kind of panicked. And like, we'll still do this, but you got to cut your fee in half. And then we'll make it up to you if it makes certain money. And Todd Phillips is like, well, what if I don't take a fee? but you give me points, they're like, great. And Todd Phillips ends up with 16% of the movie. Unbelievable. Makes $80 million and knew he had them over a barrel

and probably still is making money now from the streaming and Amazon Prime, all that stuff. Because they all negotiated as a quartet for the next two, right? Yes, which we'll talk about at the end. Okay. The two sequels, how much we want to acknowledge them and the drop off from... It's part of Hangover Canon.

Yeah, it's true. just tough. It's a tough one. This one, it's so brilliantly executed. It's brilliantly cast. The four people, three of them were great. The fourth one's a throwaway because Doug ultimately doesn't matter as a character. You could have put John Krasinski or somebody more famous than the Justin Barthorow. I don't think ultimately it really matters. The other three are perfect.

There's only one performance in the whole movie I don't like. Maybe we can save it. Yeah, I think I probably know what that is too. Anything else before we get to the categories? Because there's a lot to cover here. Shout out Todd Phillips. Something to New York's own, Todd Phillips. Second or third Todd Phillips for watchable? This is our second after old school. Do you want to do your Todd Phillips to Bradley Cooper speech again?

Just my favorite moment of the entire Star is born press run was when they introduced the film at Toronto and it gets like the standing ovation. I can't remember the exact wording of it, but Cooper's just like this is really all about this moment when Todd Phillips left like a greeting card for me. And it just said, I want you to believe in you the way that. that I believe in you and I knew I could make a star is born. The best. The best.

Cooper in this movie, before we go, before we hit the categories, could Leo have done this part? No. Not this way. Matt Damon? Probably.

I think those guys are both a little bit old. I'm saying 2009. So Matt Damon 10 years ago. Cooper's 34 in 2009. Okay. So Matt Damon, early 2000s-ish.

Probably. You think so? Yeah, because I think he can be an underrated shit heel, you know. He could have gone school ties, Matt Damon? Yeah, I was thinking courage under fire, you know, like saving Private Ryan. He can be like a little bit of a dick. I think that the key here is that Cooper had a little, like, less to lose. You know what I mean?

No doubt. He kind of is playing with an image where he's just like, because he says he was like working on in theater in like Western Massachusetts when Todd Phillips is like, let's do this. So it's not like he's going to throw away the Born franchise by presenting Phil the way he does. Right. And it's kind of like, Phil is super extra, man. Like, Phil is really a lot. Who would you put in the Bartha role if you could have cast a better or more famous actor?

Because I'm not sure somebody could have done better in that part because it was probably the worst written part of all of them. I mean, you just had the least to do, right? Bartha, I guess Barth is on the good fight. Like, I don't really know anything. I didn't have any relationship to him. I guess he was kind of an up-and-coming guy. He had done some TV stuff before this. But what is he even doing besides that one moment where he's like,

they look at the photos at the end of the movie? Not much. Nothing, right? He has some stuff in the beginning. Galifanakis, that one was funny because when we were doing Kimmel the first year, and Kimmel had access to all these really up-and-comer comedian dudes that he had worked with on crank anchors and just, he was dating Sarah at the time

some in the comedy circles and Zach was kind of a legend in the underground LA comedy scene and we had him actually come on I think he gets hosted once but he had

he would come on as his twin brother who was this crazy version of Zach and so it became this running thing like I was Zach's brother and he was a big part of the show and I think everybody who worked on the show was like that guy's is going to be famous someday and then he had

the VH1 show, or maybe did that before, but it never really happened. Yeah, you're right. The VH1 show, I can't support that. It never really happened. And then all of a sudden it happened in like the biggest possible way. I don't think I ever saw it. Is the VH1 show pretty straight?

It's weird. It was super weird. It's like hyper kooky Johnny Carson. You know, he's like doing the traditional talk show format, but it's like he was wearing like a jacket with a t-shirt underneath it. And there was like a weird set that was like neon and had colors. It didn't work. It was eight years ahead of its time.

If it was like 2009, it would have worked. It was kind of like a Twitter show. More than a real TV show. So it's fun to see him. He's just incredible on this. I loved him in the Live at the Purple Onion comedy special that he did, which was legendary among people who were aware of that special too. And he does that to the two characters.

He does the split Galifin' X character in that special. And it was like a hybrid of sketch and him just doing stand-up at the piano. He would always perform at the piano. Wasn't there like a, it was either a, a Comedy Central or an HBO doc about like three comedians on the road? Comedian, the Jerry Seinfeld one?

No, it was like... The Dane Cook one? No, it was like... Oh, Maria Bamford. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. Comedians of comedy, yeah, Pat and Oswald. Yeah, and Pat and Oswald. And it's like them on the road.

And that was when I first, I think... I think that's when I first came across it. That was his generation. Pat and all those dudes. So this movie, 35 million budget, made $467 million. One of Golden Globe, which I had Totally forgot for best musical comedy.

Unbelievable. Sold 8.6 million DVDs and Blu-rays in the first week when it was released. This was kind of the last movie of that DVD Blu-ray I Have to Get It era, which I feel like this decade just kind of died. Definitely. Yeah. That whole market is gone. Because I remember like my wife loved this movie and when it became available for pre-order, she pre-ordered it. She's like, I can't wait to own this, not understanding that.

in five years. We wouldn't be watching DVDs anymore. Rotten Tomato, 78%. Roger Ebert. He loved it. Three and a half stars. Of course. Roger's been quick-fishing it.

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Cancel anytime. Terms do apply. Categories. Most rewatchable scene. This is a tough one. First one. First nominee. The drive to Vegas is just fantastic.

That's a great like five and a half minutes. The stop at the gas station. Galfinex is in the car. All to leading, checking it in the hotel. Really enjoyable. Also just like really good bit with just Phil starts drinking as soon as he gets in the car. Which is definitely like a thing that there was always like two guys at the bachelor party who would start getting fucked up on the way there. Way too early.

Yeah. And then them really in that galaphanat, realizing even on the car ride that Galafinacus has 17 screws loose and the whole thing. So that's one. Waking up in the hotel room. Phenomenal. Not knowing what happened? I think that's, yeah, okay. Yes.

Definitely. And the shot of Ed Helms, they do a really nice camera shot when he's like, he's just disoriented. and looking around, but the camera's moving with him. And it's like that kind of bleary-eyed, where the hell am I look? Leading to Galifanacus naked, pissing next to a tiger. Discovering the tiger. Not even realizing it's a tiger for 10 seconds and just everything. And there's a chicken.

Where'd the chicken come from? And it's just a mess. Everybody's sleeping on the floor. The woman's sneaking out. The woman sneaks out. It's a really smart scene that just sets up everything. Next one. brunch with Carlos the baby

Amazing Really good Cooper scene Not at the table Carlos He's jacking his little weanus Put yourself to get it Not at the table Carlos Nothing makes me laugh Over and over again

Like him jerking off Carlos the baby I'm sorry It fucking hits my funny bone It's so inappropriate I fucking love it It's so funny It makes me laugh every time he's laughing. He's, oh, look, he's cracking his little weenis and whatever he says.

It's just so inappropriate. It would never happen now. And it's fucking funny. And I love it. And I love Carlos. I like that they named them Carlos. I like seeing him in the B-orne. I just love that whole stretch.

So a little story about that scene from the Hollywood reporter oral history. Galfinaqis said they're setting up. He did it first with the doll that was setting up. in there while we were setting up the shot. I showed Todd and he goes, let's go ask the parents if we can do that. He laughs. He says, I'm like, no. So then it goes to Phillips.

I waited for the baby's mom to go upstairs. I go to the dad. It would be funny if Zach pretends to do this, would you have a problem with that? And the dad literally goes, my wife is going to be gone for a half hour. Can you do it in the next half hour? And that's how Carlos the baby

gets fake shirt on. That's good. It's so good. There's no, I'm trying to think of the all-time, just inappropriate, funny, quick, throwaway things in a comedy, and that's got to be in the conversation for me. Like Stripes had some good ones like that, Caddyshack, just these throwaway ones that every time they make me laugh, no matter how many times I see it, that's way out there. The stun gun scene, nominated that one for most rewatchable, Tyson reviewing the security footage. Yeah. Then getting the tiger into the car and Bradley Cooper pretended to hump the tiger from behind.

When he's like, it's such a beautiful, majestic animal. It starts off like a tiger. That's good. The blackjack scene. I love all Vegas black jack scenes. We could talk about that after we decide what the most rush. Gave us one of the great memes. The black jack scene.

You know, the numbers. The calculus. Oh, yeah. Yeah. In front of Zach Alfinax's face. Oh, that's good. Yeah. And then the wedding reception is just awesome.

with the Dan band. And Ed Helms breaking up with his girlfriend and just all of it. I just really enjoy it. I had kind of forgotten that whole scene. I didn't realize the movie had that much life left when I was rewatching it. But it is. That part is really good. It's like, like, 10 minutes.

The Dan Man's like, once again, just they go two for two with grand slams and each comedy appearance. They're going for it in this one. Yeah. My Lord. I really, really, I go for the entire police precinct sequence. I was going to say that too. The stun gun? Yeah.

The stun gun. but also like the pay phone call. Yeah. And him like leaning over to make the pay phone call and the kid coming up and taking a cell phone picture and him kicking the phone out of his hands. And it's a really, it's a very funny Rob Riggle scene. I was just going to say it's the funniest thing Rob Riggle has ever done.

That's the funniest. So that's, can I make one more suggestion? Of course. We may not have done right by this person. When we talked about him on old school, I'm going to amend that. Brian Callen's scene at the Wedding Chapel is unbelievable. I was laughing so hard.

He's great fake accent. That scene less. It's the same character. It's the same accent. It's like Greek, I guess. Yeah. It's also just like really good how it's like you guys were so amazing last night. Like he's kind of greeting them like this is the craziest motherfucker I ever met.

It was just such a great moment. Listen to me. I'm going to tell you something. I know some sick people in my life. This guy is the craziest wildest bastard I ever met in my life. This guy? This guy is out of his mind. What's going on?

You fucking crazy motherfucker. He kind of sets off the fact that no one remembers all. all the crazy shit that happened last night, but clearly some crazy shit happened last night. Right. That encounters the first one, because up until then they're basically at brunch, and then they have to go figure out what happened.

And he's like, he's the first clue in putting the puzzle back together. And we all really like him. I think when we talked about him last time. And after that, when he's on the phone with his girlfriend in pretending to be in Napa, and it's like, it's a goat. It's a baby goat.

The tracks had backfired. We were saying, like, we just thought that guy should have been one of the guys that is talked about from this decade. He never found the right role, so he was in these supporting things, but I just think he's really funny. Brian Callan's Greek grifter character

should definitely have his own series. Can Todd Phillips adapt that character into a bigger film? That's right. I'm voting for brunch with Carlos the baby and the Bjorn elevator. And the Bjorn elevator to the brunch is my favorite part of this movie.

And I actually, about four weeks ago, my son, we were flipping channels, And it came on... Not good, Bill. Jesus Christ. Not good. What are you talking about? He sees worse things every day.

This is a step up from the stuff he can watch on YouTube. Zach Galfenax's character gets a blowjob in this movie. No, I didn't show. I got to cut away from the credits. His prosthetic dick is visible. Cut away. He did not see the closing credits. Ben Simmons and Allen Horn both didn't see the credits before he just came out.

But we started watching during the drive. And it wasn't like I was like, hey, we got to watch us. We just started, I was just like, oh, I like this scene. And then he's kind of, he's like, this and we started watching it and he was like dying laughing but all the carlo stuff. Is he like can I go to Vegas now? No he was more

he really like Zach Alfanax. Everything that guy did in this movie he was dying laughing but he really enjoyed it. He also liked Ken Jung's character which was complicated. Can't say the same. All right what's age the best?

I really like to soundtrack in this movie it's a lot of generics predictable songs but they're all perfectly executed and makes sense with the plot and there's no really bad choices. Yeah. It's not like you know, it's not like the dazed and confused soundtrack. It sounds a lot

like what guys who were going to Vegas right around. Yeah, it's just well done. And that the gambling scene is specifically the blackjack with the numbers, but the music they're playing in that and just it's really smart. I think it was probably a couple years I don't know how old it was, but I remember that T.I. song being huge.

Live your life. That was a huge song. Yeah. By the way, that's still a big song. think we were just talking to my office talking to somebody who was at a wedding asking them what songs oh Tommy's sister just got married like what were the songs is it still the same songs from when I was going to weddings and he it was like very few from this century have been added to the wedding mix like hey I would outcast but I think that TI song's probably in there right yeah it might be in the mix I think Bruno Mars yeah probably a dell it's probably a handful of people it's a good ringer piece for us sure what songs this century have been added to the yeah the

new wedding. One of the like underdog ones that I've heard at like 18 weddings, although it probably speaks more of the weddings I go to, is 1901 by Phoenix. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's because you're a hipster. One thing I like about Todd Phillips movies.

I think I heard it at your fucking wedding by the way. Well, you know, come what may. I like that Todd Phillips is like, fuck it. I'm really into hard rock. Yeah. You know, like the Danzig song at the beginning of the movie. Yeah. And, you know, there's the Metallica and old school.

He's just kind of like, it's okay to be into super aggressive, like pop metal. Yeah. Well, speaking of music, the Dan band is also aged the best. I think future generations are going to be like, why weren't these, why didn't they play the Super Bowl halftime show? These guys should be the biggest stars in the world. It's so funny with it when he does, he's setting it up with that everybody's dancing, and then it's like, when we're just the tip.

She just gets super inappropriate really fast. Rachel Harris as the girlfriend from hell Incredible character Really great Yeah What's she so angry about She just takes every stereotype You would have in that movie

And they're like We're just putting this on steroids HDH And every drug we have We are going to make her the worst character Of all time It's really funny She shows up at the wedding And she's so mad at him

And then when he turns it on her It's really I don't know It worked for me I thought she was good that you fucked a waiter on a cruise bit is really funny. And then when he leaves and Galifinacus is like, what did she say? That was the irony of it.

The elevator scene which starts with Todd Phillips. He throws himself in the came here. How many times does Todd Phillips go down on a woman in one of his movies? Isn't it happening? It's like everyone? I don't know. He's got a brand. It's like Hitchcock walking aggressive for him?

It is. It is his version of that. another what's age the best when they're on the roof and Alan starts reading that letter and it's like hey guys hello how about that ride in I guess that's why they call it sin city it's just like hey then uh there's another cut where they cut the first part of it but it's the three of them and he's got the baby bjarn they're going into heather toward heather graham's hotel and he's finishing what he's saying and he's like, it's got

Ted Danson and Magnin P.I. and that Jewish actor, but they don't set the three men and the baby part out? It's just the end. It's really subtle. It's just really nice. Speaking of that, Alan says that whole thing about it's not legal, it's frowned upon. I'm like masturbating an airplane. And Phil

says, I'm pretty sure that's legal too. And Al goes, yeah, maybe after 9-11 when everybody got so sensitive. Thanks a lot, Bin Laden. It's not illegal. It's frowned upon. Like, masturbating on an airplane. I'm pretty sure that's illegal too. Yeah, maybe after 9-11 where everybody gets some sensitive.

Thanks a lot, bin Laden. Thanks a lot, bin Laden. That might have been the hardest I left when I was watching it. I like after he would sell the money when they're in the car, he goes, Alan, you're the man. And he's like, you are too, Phil. He has no idea how to be one of the guys. They did a really good job with this movie of always make it clear he doesn't

know how to interact. And the copying Phil stuff is really funny. Like just m-aping everything that Phil does as the movie goes on because he so desperately wants to be like him is really well done. Yeah. And then the two made-up songs, the best friends everyone over have. And then Ed Helms' song is really good when they're waiting for the tiger to fall asleep.

And then we're going to find our best friend Doug. And then we're going to give him a best friend hug. Doug. Which apparently was AdLib. What else says age the best for you guys? Oh, in Vegas, I would throw in there, too.

Old school last decade, Vegas. Everything Alan says I find funny in this movie. I particularly liked... You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's palace, is it? What do you mean? Did Caesar live here? No.

I didn't think so. And the reaction that the woman who is working behind the desk gives them, you know, she's pitch perfect. I'm ready to do this now. I was going to save it. How high is Alan in the Pantheon for comedy movie characters? Who's he in competition with? Like, first of all.

Good question. I think the criteria has to be, has there ever been anybody quite like this character? I don't think it can be the star. I think it has to be somebody who he didn't necessarily was going to realize the star, but basically did a stealing the movie type thing. You know, like Will Ferrell and old school, I think is getting, like Frank the Tank. But John Candy and Stripes, Bill Murray and Caddyshack, Ted Knight and Caddyshack, he's in that conversation. Rick Moranis and Ghostbusters, maybe?

No? Did he, like, have you doubled over? I think Bill Murray is more, though. Well, he's fucking hilarious. But, like, Rick Moranis is like, you don't find him that funny in that? No, I do. Was who isn't there something about Mary? Was there a candidate for that one?

Well, everybody is really funny in that. Everything Matt Dillon says. kills me. And there's something about Mary. And also Chris Elliot too and there's something about Mary. Going way back, Michael Keaton and Night Shift,

Billy Blaise Javsky. That was like, he made, he made him a star. Are we talking about the star of the movie? Talking about the person coming out of nowhere

and stealing the movie. It has to be somebody that wasn't the biggest star in the movie, but then had just had this part. Like Steve Carrell and Anchorman, like something like that. Yeah.

Steve Carole and Paul wrote an anchorman. Yeah. Mcloven? Mcloven. Oh, McLevin. That's a really good one. Way to go, Craig. The bleachers.

Like that one. Even the bad scenario of this would be that weird character and wedding crashers. When they're going forward and it backfires. I was going to say Melissa McCarthy and Bridesmaids was like this. That's great. That's a good one. That's the perfect one. Yeah, that's the perfect one.

Where you were just like, who the fuck is that? Yeah. That person is hilarious. Yeah. So whatever this category is, Galfanakis is in that conversation. You could just say like Galfanakis is age the best in a lot ways. Breakout comedy. like coming out of this movie,

like, oh, that a lot of things are going to happen for that person. John Candy was like that in stripes. I didn't watch

SCTV in 1981. I knew people liked to pretend they did, but I didn't even, it was on in the middle of the night. And I knew him as Ox. I was the first thing I'd ever seen him in. And it was like,

I love this guy. Yeah. He's mud wrestling people. So anyway, big winner, Galafinakis for what stage is best. Anything else for what stage the best? Mm.

I honestly, was just surprised by how well the movie stood up. Like, when I finished it with my wife last night, we were like, that movie was fucking funny. I was expected, because I don't, I don't have as much of a rewatchable relationship to it. Maybe don't watch it as much on cable as you do.

So going back, I was like, hmm, I wonder if this is going to work. And it really, really, really, just in total, hell up. Yeah, I think you can even be more specific and be like, the actual plot of the movie is good. Yeah. Like, the actual, like, what happened to them is really well done. If it falls apart there, if it just be, if they

didn't have that. It would have just been, if they didn't meet Jade and they don't meet Mr. Chow and they don't meet, you know, everybody else along the way, you're kind of like, what are we doing here? But you, when they're like, he's on the roof, you're like,

oh, shit, he's on the roof. Black Doug figured it out. And what stage is the best? Another one I think would just be the brevity of the movie. There's really not a wasted section. And all the great movies have at least, like, all the great comedies have a

five minute, eight minute stretch where you're just like, eh. This is also probably the, last one because the next phase of movies after this is the Apatau era where everything's like two hours and 10 minutes and you know those movies an hour and 35 minutes basically. Yeah long shots like 220. It's still in that era. I wouldn't change the thing. It was one of those things when the DVD came out. I was excited to see what the deleted scenes were because you knew they left some stuff. Oh, the end credit sequence too, I would say has aged really well. Just that as like a convention to just put all that stuff

in there the way that they did it was really great. They pretty much invented Marvel right there. It's funny. I had that for what stage is aware. It's a great take. I had that for what stage the worst and here's why. Ten years later, it's hard to capture how fucking funny that was the first time you saw it in the theater. Because it was like the movie was really good. In the theater, everybody's laughing their ass off, super satisfied. And then they're like, hey guys, found this camera. And it's like, wait, what?

And then the pictures. And it was just so good and so fast. And Wayne Newton's in there and Caratop. and Alphanakis is getting blown. It's like, what is happening? It just ratcheted it up 17 notches. It's hard to end comedies too. And how people walk out feeling like, oh, that was so funny

because inevitably they have to wrap up the story. You can't have a big comedy set piece at the end. So that was a genius way to have people walk out of that theater and be like, that's my favorite movie I've ever seen. Like, I remember people feeling that way. That was the funniest movie I've ever seen is what people said because the last thing they saw was Caratop, Wayne Newton, and Zach Alphnac is getting blown.

I can't remember another movie ending with the biggest laugh. Yeah. Because I do feel like in the theater that people are laughing the hardest at that. So in a weird way, that's age the worst because now everybody knows it's coming. The sequels have aged terribly and I'd rather not talk about them. It's almost like easier to pretend two and three didn't happen. I mean, they basically disavowed three. They have more or less come out and been like, we definitely just did this for the money.

Right. Two has moments. Right. Two is pretty dark. Yeah, too is in, is it Thailand? Yeah, yeah. Talk about what's age the worst. There's some what's age the worst in there.

The surprise Mike Tyson cameo has aged the worst for this reason. It really was a massive surprise in 2009. Now we know he's in the movie. There's no surprise to it. But one of the things in the marketing of this movie is like, Mike Tyson's in this? Like what? I think Mike Tyson was like that. He has scenes?

Yeah, it turns out he even admits he was battling a lot of drugstom during this, but that was really a draw out of the movie for me. It was like, they're going to do scenes in comedy with Mike Tyson. That's insane.

The mystique of Vegas, we talked about that earlier. I think that's, that's turned into something else. Vegas has become so commercialized now. I think it's much harder to pull movie like this off now would feel very like branded content.

Everything would feel like it was a partial money grab. Things were strategically placed. I didn't feel that way with this movie. who let the dogs out has aged the worst? It just feels like it's definitely 10 years ago when you hear that in this movie, you know? Yeah, that's true.

That's like a very literal definition of what's aged the worst. Yeah. Is being able to play a song like that in a movie and not have it seem like a complete joke. But I feel like they're even making it a joke back then because doesn't somebody right before plays say, like, who let the dogs out? And then it starts like, who let the dogs out? Let the dogs out. You know, like, who let the dogs out?

Who brought this guy on? I said Justin Bartha, just because he didn't come out of this being really famous and it's like if Sudakis had been in that part, would that have added to the mistake of this movie? I don't think it matters. But he's not in the movie. So I don't think it's like, you can't

be like, man, if they had just put Jillon Hall in it or something, that would have been great. Jill would have been amazing. CR and I saw Bartha once out in the wild. We were at a wine tasting. He's enjoying life. He was, he seemed really happy. He was thriving. He was, this is probably 2012. He dated one of the Olson twins for a while.

was dating to her at the time. She was present. He seemed like he was having a ball. My wife and I went to the SLS hotel for dinner once, and they were sitting one table over, and he was dating her. But it was with both Olson twins, and then Gal Fanaka showed up,

and we were like, LA is so fucking weird. Like, it was just like, we just saw this movie six months ago. That's one of the nice things, maybe we missed this for what's aged the best, but these guys obviously really became friends. Yeah, true.

Well, they knew each other before him. Yeah. That was part of the thing, I think they were all like social acquaintances at least. That's why I like, that's why I'm ultimately with the Bartha thing because he does, they did seem like they're generally friends with them. Yeah, the chemistry is not bad. Yeah, exactly. The final what's age the worst is probably the winner.

The Ken Jong playing up the tiny dick crazy Asian stereotype. It's not great. It was funny in the moment. Just read Donnie Kwok on the ringer. He wrote about it last year. Yeah, Donny Quack wrote about this last year. It's not great. Any other what's age worse for you?

The only other thing that I thought was a little weird going back to see it, was um Bartha's fiance accepting the idea of them staying one extra night and getting back the day of the wedding

I was like I have that covered in nip picks okay are we we're not gonna do the homophobia at all eh okay no it's just

my my I'll be curious to see if that sort of thing ever happens in movies again no it will not you don't think so no

there's a couple of lines that you'd just you'd be surprised if you ever hear a line like that again casting what ifs they almost cast Lindsay Lohan as Jade Phillips decided she was too young. That's now spun into her revisionist story that she turned it down and it was the biggest regret of her career.

He's adamant that he did not cast her because she was too young. Lohan in this movie would have fell very 2009. I also liked having Heather Graham in it. I'm not sure how I feel. I don't know what version of Lohan they're catching in 2009. Not a good one. Heather Graham is perfect for this. I completely agree.

I think her being a little older makes it work better. I think also, I know you're a big, I heard you guys talk about this on Mean Girls, a big believer in Lohan's talent and like what was what she frittered away. It was gone by that. I'm not as much of a believer in that theory that she was like this great Goldie Hawn-esque movie star and we like missed out on that. Oh, how dare you? And trust me, again, Long Island.

I should be Team Lindsay. But in this case, that's terrible. This is your worst take you've ever had. Heather Graham is legit funny. You don't watch like Freaky Friday and parents. Trap, obviously those aren't on your radar. All the parents revered. No, she's great in those movies.

Parent Trap, she's amazing. She plays two different people. One of them have an English accent. She's flawless. She's like Meryl Streep in that movie. Amazing stuff. She's like a 17-year-old Meryl Streep. She's like Meryl Streep. In that movie. She's 17-year-old Meryl Streep in training. Freaky Friday? She's not as good in that one. Parent Trap,

she's great. I meant to have the Heather Graham conversation with you. Let's go. So it starts with six degrees of separation. One of my favorite indie movies. I think it's drugstore cowboy. Actually, if you're going way back, she's in that, she's in one of those teen movies way back when, right?

Like, License to Drive or one of those Corey Haim type of movie. I would often get her confused with Terry Polo. No, she, come on. That's raining here. God's crying. At Sean's Lindsay Lohan take. She's fine. License to Drive, twins, drugstore cowboy.

way. Yeah. And then she goes, six degrees of separation, and then swingers. And by the end of that run, I'm just completely in love with other gram.

Oh, my God. And I'm like, there's nothing more she can do on a movie screen that she can't have my heart more and then Austin Powers happens. And now I'm like, can I just send her money?

Can I just send her my items? She might have been my number one crush in the 90s. She, everybody, for everybody. The best. Not Chris Ryan.

He's got a skeptical look on his face. Ed Byrne started dating her. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I left out Boogie Nights. A little movie called Boogie Nights where she's Roller Girl. I just didn't love. There are a lot.

She's been a lot of good movies. She was in even Cowgirls Goat the Blues. She's in Dixtown. She's in Mrs. Parker in the Vicious Circle, scream two. And two guys and a girl, two girls and a guy. She was in like good, a lot of good films. She worked with good directors. So even though she has like this kind of ditsy, blonde, you know, bodacious chick persona,

she was always in good stuff. She's really funny in Bowfinger. Very funny. Yeah. She was always very good at sending up her persona. She never, she did the turn to ABC. Did that show and it never worked. They built a whole show around her.

I feel like could she have been the Grey's Anatomy League? Oh, Emily's reasons why not? Yeah. Yeah. But could she have been like the doctor in Grey's Anatomy? I don't know. She's a good enough actress? She's a comic actress, you know?

She's funny. Like that's really where she thrives. Great career. Kudos to her. I'm good in this movie too. I think way better. than what Lohan would have brought. She's very good.

With weird, like 25-year-old energy, her being like 35 makes more sense. Jack Black turned down the role of Alan, and thank God. I like Jack Black, but wow. This is a totally different movie. It's not nearly as funny and weird. And he's overpowering, I think,

the other three guys, which I think would have been dangerous. Paul Rudd turned down the role of Phil. Bradley Cooper's role. Hmm. What do you think of that? That would have been a unique energy from Paul Rudd.

He would have been doing this Sex Panther. He would have to do Brian Fantana. Yeah, Brian Fantana basically. But then he would have been making fun of it. Like you said at the top, I feel like part of what makes this movie good is you really believe Cooper is like a shit bag. Yeah. You know, you buy it. Even when he sees his wife at the wedding at the end, he's like, hey, honey, it's like, ah, you're a fucking scumbagic.

But has Paul Rudd ever played a guy like that? I mean, not outside of like Neil LeBute plays. No, Neil Abute. So, Jeremy Piven, during that, turned down the role of Stu. No shit. And thank God. That would have been really weird. Tough B for Piven.

But that was like at the height of Ari Gold, right? That's probably why he turned it down. He's like, I got to. But Stu isn't, oh, because he wants to keep playing. Yeah, right. And Stu is the third lead. Yeah. Mike Tyson refused to appear in the film.

Can I ask you a quick question though about the, do you believe that Stu Doug and Phil are friends? It's that, I was going to get that into the nitpick. All right, let's save it. Do we know when they met? It's a weird three. him. I guess Doug is the, you know, with every group, there's always the one guy who unites all of them. And my guess is that Doug was friends with them separately and then they all became friends, but Doug was like the centerpiece of it.

So when he fell apart, they're thrown together because he was the connection with all of them. I was thinking about this a lot recently. I was at a wedding last weekend or two weekends ago. And I was reunited with friends from college. And that group of friends just brings out a different side of me. I'm pretty straight. I'm trying to be professional here at the ringer. You know, I'm trying to keep a cool, calm. And then I go hang out with those guys. And I'm like, yeah, fuck everybody. And I have a different attitude about the world.

And I feel like that's too. You have the attitude you basically have on the golf course when somebody's playing slowly in front of you. Yeah, exactly. And different friends bring out different parts of your personality. And I feel like Stu, when he's with his asshole girlfriend, is one guy. But when he gets around Phil, it brings out like a different part of him. And you understand it a little bit better. And you understand why he was pulling his tooth out at a strip club.

He's honestly one of the most. and nicest people I know, but like if you have, it could be like, there could be like a 75-year-old woman playing in front of us and clearly arthritic. And he'll be like, I gotta go fucking talk to her. She's killing me. What is she doing out there? I'm just like, what she's just trying to enjoy golf just like us. He's like, fuck that.

We're playing through. He turns into a fucking animal. Lord of the flies in the golf course. I can't deny it. I can't deny it. One of the reasons I like the Rachel Harris character so much. And the whole Stu thing is because everybody has their version of Stu, that relationship in their life. And you usually end up not being as close with those people after a lot.

It's hard to hang. Yeah. It's tough. So Philip said, oh, Mike Tyson refused to appear in the film. Changed his mind when he found out Todd Phillips directed old school, which he really liked. Oh. Yeah. Well, good.

Old school is awesome. That makes sense. Philip said the Galaphanacus character was written as the brother-in-law's, a younger brother that they had to take along with them. They were thinking like a Jonah Hill type. And then he realized it would actually be funnier if it was an older brother. So the other one they were looking at was Thomas Hayden Church and they settled on Galvanakis. Also a different movie.

Yeah. I could see Jonah, like a Jonah type more than a Thomas Hayden Church type. Yeah, yeah. Dion Waiter is a word. I mean, look at that. I have seven names here for this. I actually think it's pretty easy. Okay.

Can I give the candidate? Sure. Jeffrey Tambor as the father-in-law He's on a heater Pretty subdued performance by him honestly But always in on always in with knowing that Vegas is going to go badly I'd like to feel like that's how I would be as the father-in-law I'm highly doubt

It was he about that one Fianza's going to Vegas I highly doubt You'll be like take the Tesla for the weekend No I'd be like I'm going You bring it me Oh my God And you'd be like you guys don't have to talk to me

I'd pretend I'm like that back check That's a major sin. Father-in-law at the Bachelor Party can't do it. We'll see how it goes. Under no circumstances. Rachel Harris for DeAnne Waiters. The doctor who only has one scene. He's so funny.

He's great. It's on the corner of Buy a Fucking map. Get lost and buy a fucking map. Brian Cowan, Heather Graham, Rob Wriggle, Mike Tyson. I personally vote for Rob Riggle. Riggle. Is this a podcast? positive award, or is it just identifying the heat check?

It's the biggest heat check. It's like doing the most with the least amount of playing time. It's the hitting five-threes in ten minutes, kind of. I would like to have a separate conversation about whether you go wriggle in this movie or wriggle in stepbrothers. I think that Ken Jong should win this, even though I don't like that performance. Because he is doing a lot. He's really going over the top. Interesting.

But I don't know if we're only trying to acknowledge something that we like. It's weird that this is like the 103rd pod that we've done and now you're like undermining the integrity of the Dion Waders. It's just good to examine what we're really doing here. Sean's right. I hate admitting when Sean's right. It's one of my least favorite things. He's right. Ken Jong

Kenjong goes out in the court. Yeah. And he is like a Tasmanian devil and he takes a bunch of shots and gets rebounds. Yeah. He is out of his mind. Dan Waiters would agree that Ken Jong was the Dan waiters are. I would almost make it Brandon Jennings-esque, you know? Yeah.

Riggle is like Montrazo-Harrell. You know, you're like, you really need that guy. Yeah. You really need in the face. The energy off the bench. This movie made him a star. He's not Austin Rivers, you know? I mean, he definitely vaulted him to another level.

He's really funny, and he made me laugh. I mean, there's a couple of things that, or obviously, we don't have to litigate now, but. Half-Fass Internet Research. This was inspired by a real event that happened to Trip Vincent, a producer and friend of the EP Chris Bender. Vincent had gone missing from his own bachelor party, black dad woke up in a strip joint being threatened with a very large bill. And that's what started this. The missing tooth from Ed Helms. I always thought this was amazing. It actually was

really missing. It was not CGI. But was it a false tooth that he had in his mouth or did he he didn't actually pull a tooth out of his head? No, he had a dental implant. He was missing an adult incisor and he had dental implant as a teenager so they pulled it out and he was just missing it

so he was doing this while doing the office which is insane and he would fly from Vegas to Van Nuys and go shoot the office all day and then go shoot

hangover all night and he said if you go back to watch this part of the office he seems completely out of his mind and like his voice

is slurred because he had like a fake tooth in he said he was just drinking red bulls because any scene they filmed at night he was also due in the office, it seemed like.

Do you guys like Ed Helms? I like him in this movie. But that's okay. I like him in this movie. I like him in this movie. I'm not an enormous at his house set. It's not actually like Ed Helms

as much as like the guys that he plays. I'm just kind of like, I don't know. You don't like that type. Andy? From the office? Yeah. Well, not Andy Greenwald. No, Greenwald's fine.

Your podcast partner. I, he's one of, the most successful comedy actors of his generation. I know. He's been in a lot of big movies. Even, like, vacation made a lot of money. We don't think about him ever in that context, but it's like he's been in a bunch of animated

movies. He was in a night at the museum movies. And we're the Millers. He's in vacation. He's in tag. Like, he's in a lot of big studio comedies. Yeah. Yeah, it's weird.

He's almost like one of those athletes that you never have a conversation about. Yeah. Who's like his counterpart in the NBA right now? Like CJ McCollum. Yeah. Although when you're in the playoffs All of a sudden people are talking about him But just somebody who's been really good for a while

But nobody would ever be like Hey I'm leading my podcast today with C.J. McCollum. Yeah, right. Regarding the explicit scene In the final photo slide show Where Zach gets a blowjob from a prostitute A prosthesis dick was used for that. And they found some old porn actor

Who actually did it. So there you go. I don't understand. actually did what? Who gave him a blue the prosthetic. Oh, I see. Great. This is what a great podcast.

It's half-ass internet research. They sold the script for two million. John Lucas and Scott Moore was rewritten by Jeremy Garillick and Todd Phillips, who added the Tyson, the tiger, the baby, the police cruiser, a whole bunch of stuff. And then they went into like WGA dispute about getting back on that, right? The two songs were improvised. And then the hangover had a major impact on Caesar. in Las Vegas.

Guess apparently quote to Caesar's. Two lines from the film's check-in scene, did Caesar live here? Do you know if the hotel is page or friendly? Apparently, if you're checking the Caesars, just don't do that. They've heard that joke. They're not going to laugh.

It's awkward. Don't. And then Galifanakis improvised the line. I didn't know they gave out rings of the Holocaust and they couldn't decide whether to keep it or not. That was going to be my best line. It's the funniest thing in the movie. The ring, I'm going to give to Melissa.

You remember my grandmother's Holocaust? Holocaust ring? Fuck. She's wearing it. Okay. I didn't know they give out rings at the Holocaust. Yeah.

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Apex Mountain. Justin Bartha? Ed Helms, doing the office at the same time, two for two. So I would definitely say Cooper, no. Is it Galifinacus Apex Mountain?

Or is due date? I vote for Galvanakis. I once again find myself confused by the category. Todd Phillips? 100%. Yeah. Todd Phillips. Probably Galaphanacus too.

When you're hugely successful and it's also like you have the most creative cachet and this is just the peak when it was all going great. But Todd Phillips was not, I mean this was six years removed from old school and he made school for Scalindrills which was not a hit. And then all of a sudden after that,

everything he does is a big deal. I think when he makes $70 million for a movie, it's your epics, man. Yeah, agree. Rob Regal. He had like a sitcom on CBS. The Dan Band? I think Wedding Crashers.

I prefer them in Wedding Crashers. But then they repeated it and hangover. What is the other move that the Dan Band has? Yeah, sure. Like, how are they not going to repeat it? Kenjah? Yes. Or community?

Whatever. I don't really care about Ken John. The Joey Pants Award given to, oh, I had one more at Pex Mountain. Vegas. Whoa. Yeah. more than like Sinatra at the Sands. I'm just throwing it out there.

I say no, but I just want to have the conversation. Can't be. Casino? I take casino over this. What do you mean? For like Vegas. I'm just saying was Vegas in 2009? Was this Apex Mountain for Vegas?

I think Vegas is making more money than ever, so probably not. Is it as cool as it was in 2009? I don't know. It wasn't really going very frequently then. You're the only one who can tell us that. This was right after the housing crisis started, but we hadn't realized it yet, and they were built on these hotels.

and then the housing crisis basically demolishes a bunch of casinos there, but it hadn't happened yet. I think... I'm going to say yes. I think Vegas is like pop music. You know, it's like it's ever replenishing for young people. Vegas was in trouble five years ago. Joey Pants Award given to the best that guy or that girl in the movie.

Black Doug? Mike Ebb's. So he's Mike Ebs. He can't win this. He's pretty famous. Yeah. He's pretty famous. I agree.

Yeah. What about Rob Regal's sidekick? She's funny. I don't know her name. I don't know her name either. She's a worthy Joey Pantsworthy. Yeah. Because I don't know what her real name is.

Who else is in the mix here? We kind of know who everybody else is. Mike Tyson's bodyguard guy. Who's Doug's fiancé? Oh yeah. I don't know what her name is. Her name is Sasha Burrice. Okay.

And fun fact about her, she is now no longer acting. She is a professional poker player. No shit. Oh, let's give it to her. Wow. That's great. Is there anything you think is better than when somebody gives it all up

to become a professional poker player? He loves Shannon Elizabeth. I don't recall ever saying that. Sit at the table with Shannon Elizabeth. Like is that, is that, you know, like some people,

they're like, man, that guy moved to Vermont to work on his book of short stories, but you're like, it's quitting everything to become a poker player. That's his jam.

I would be really, really happy. Just crushing podcasts in my AirPods, playing for 14 hours a day. Sitting 2-5. Listen in old big pictures. Yeah.

Shun is. Shun doesn't have the balls to do it. Oh my God, Simmons. They're challenging me to step down from the ringer to pursue my dream. This is what happens in this room. It gets so hot and it gets so weird. He can't even hit on the Commerce Casino. He's going to quit the poker player.

That's true. The Commerce Casino kicks my ass. If there's an old guy with a little oxygen thing coming in his nose, Phenise's ducking that thing immediately. That's the fucking thing. I can't hack it because I sit down on a Saturday with all the fucking fish tourists and I can play great. And I sit down on a Wednesday with some guy who was in the native.

you for 40 years and he annihilated. And you're like, thank you for your service. Yes. You're so many. That's why I'll never do it. I can't make a living doing that. Picking Nits. God, I got a couple here.

There's no way that room costs $4,200. It really bothers me. You think it's more? Oh, yeah. It's way more, right? That's what I thought, yeah. 2009, it's probably 8 to 10, and I would say now that's like a $20,000 room.

It literally is. It was like a day of, it's open. We haven't booked it yet. We can get the, like, isn't there like a rate you get when you... No. I don't know. Maybe that was a Caesar's approved trick

to lure people to try to stay in a villa. Right. It's a great nitpick because there's no way that room is... I mean, if they ever have to like be held accountable for the damage they've done to that room? Well, I had that... I have that coming up.

Alan was the bride's brother. They didn't look alike at all in any way. There's no way they had the same parents. Yeah. Alan must have been adopted because there's no way that those two have the same parents. I'm going the other way. I feel like he...

does look like Tambor's offspring. But the fiancé does not. I just have to ask, how did they steal the tiger and get it into their hotel room? I know it's like, oh, last night was crazy, but how did they actually get the tiger into the Caesar's palace?

But how do they get it in the Caesar's palace? You could go to Vegas. You could be there at five in the morning. There's still a ton of people in like the lobby. There's never a time when you can sneak anything through in Vegas. But I did like that bit from Cooper in the in the oral history where he's like, the thing about Vegas was that we would be showing up after a night shoot at like five in the morning with like tiger scratches across our chest and people wouldn't blink.

Well, that is true. People would just be like that guy got his ass kicked today. A tiger, they would blink though, I feel like. Sure. Also, where'd the chicken come from? It's better left unanswered. All right, this is why we picked Nits. Nobody ever thought to check the roof. Just to one straight day of looking for Doug

and nobody ever thinks, hey, we should check out the roof where that mattress landed. Ed Helms has this epiphany 24 hours in. It's a bad job by all of them. A couple notable things about this. One, these guys are stupid. Let's put that out there. They're definitely dumb. Two, they were roofied.

Yeah. So they're probably not operating with a full deck. And they think that Doug was with them at dinner. Like, they're like, I think Doug was here. I think, and then they get misled to think that they had Doug with them all night. Yeah. Yes. Doug telling them after two hours that he found $80,000 of Belagio chips in his pocket.

I'm sorry, I'm leading with that in the first like seven minutes. That's a very Bill Simmons note. Just like, hey, guys, I'm super sunburn, but good news. 80,000 chips right here. I'm not like remembering when we're in Barstow, you know, getting like chips. What do you think they do? They split that four ways? Yeah.

I think the room damage, which was my, I had that in unanswerable questions, but we can do this now. The room damage for that room, 20K easy. 20, 50. There wasn't really that much. If you really look, I was kind of studying it.

Vegas charges you $11 for a water bottle. You know that they're going to charge you $300,500 for a lamp that you broke. Also, they definitely soaked them on the second night when they said they were staying one more day. There's no question. I found it hard to put another picket. I found it hard to believe the tiger didn't shit in the bathroom. It's a tiger

It doesn't shit What is he Because it's a road game for the tiger He doesn't want to take a shit Like what are the digestive Patterns of tigers They must shit once a day I have no expertise on this issue

Yeah Sean's already He's quit the ringer mentally He's not going to have my poker game How can I sharpen my tools The tiger hadn't had his morning coffee yet This is my biggest This is my biggest

they picked. No rehearsal dinner for the wedding that's on the Sunday? This is your biggest more than any of the tiger. They had this huge... It is weird. I guess the Tigers' worst. The level of a one that would be raised, there's a couple of things. One, when Ed Helms hangs up on his girlfriend from the back of the cop car when the guys attack them and he just like hangs up and then they're like, just let that go to voice bail. She definitely calls like the last biggest people.

Yeah, for the next three hours she's calling. Doug's fiancé. Well, she doesn't know where they are. She thinks they're in one country. She calls the fiancé. She calls like a bunch of people. It's just like, what the fuck is happening? Like, I call.

Or probably flies to Napa Valley to, like, kick his ass. And then also just the being like, yeah, sure, cool, I'll see you tomorrow. Like, she doesn't really say that. But the way that it's like, I guess that is kind of what it was like back then with pay phones and cell phones. You weren't expected to constantly be in contact. But like, the idea that you could just call and be like, we're going to be a day late for this wedding. But this was 2009. It wasn't 1999.

Like, everybody has cell phone in 2009. I mean, they have cell phones in the movie. There's definitely texting in 2009. Yeah. Bad job on Tigers, bad job on texting. Great job on everything else. There's definitely 100% of rehearsal dinner on that Saturday night. What do you?

Not to mention chips. I'm thinking about my game. Not to mention the Sunday. What's going on? We broke Sean. The heat and the poker comment. Show it's done. The Sunday outdoor wedding at somebody's house is ludicrous.

Why we're not having a Saturday? It's a great, great note. Sunday is an absolutely no-go. Nobody wants to get married on a Sunday unless you're saving a Monday wedding. I have in there, bullshit. It's a money save. Best quote.

Craig, no getting married on a Sunday, all right? You're already here first. You're fucking your friends over. I didn't know they, best quote, I didn't know they gave out rings at the Holocaust. It's at the corner of get a map and fuck off. Here's something I'd like to remind you of our best friend Doug is probably face down in a ditch.

The Beth Head butt fuckie is. Here's something I would like to remind you of. Our best friend, Doug, is probably face down in a ditch right now with a meth head butt-fucking his corpse. It's highly unlikely. It's true. Bradley Cooper on Allen. Jesus, he's like a gremlin. Comes with instructions and shit.

That makes me laugh. Phil was always our designated drunk driver. That was a very 2009 thing. And now it's like you can't even joke about that anymore. remember in 2009, you're still kind of good. And then, oh, yeah, I do believe that because she's grossed out by seaman. And if you must know, he didn't even come inside her. Can you believe that?

Yeah, I do believe that because she's grossed out by semen. It's just really funny. Any of the quotes? You covered everything else. The whole exchange between Alan and Rachel Harris' character after Ed Helms walks away, too, is really funny. Fuck off. Thinking about getting my bartender's license. It was a real pleasure meeting you.

Fuck off. Thinking about getting my bartender's license. Suck my dick. No, thank you. It's good stuff. It's not like a great line, but it's a great moment that I just can't think of anywhere else to put. The way Bradley Cooper behaves when Alan goes on his blackjack run, when he's just like, fuck you! He's a dealer.

He's like giving middle fingers to the security cameras. I've actually seen guys who like get like way too animated and they get way too familiar with dealers where they're just like, are you fucking kidding me, man? Are you fucking kidding me? You're just like, are you going to get put in jail, dude? I do the overhead camera joke a lot.

Do you give the finger? No, if the table's on and run, I'm like, turn it on, turn it on, turn it on, turn it on, put the camera on. There's magic happening right now. You got to address it because the run is going to stop. So you may as well have fun with it. Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show?

Oh, by the way, we didn't write a book of Blackjack. What was the best quote? Oh, I had a Holocaust line. I mean, I'm going to go to hell of saying that. That's the funniest joke. Do you have enough material to do like a book of Blackjack? I actually, I sketched out last decade. The next book after I did the basketball book was going to be like a gambling book.

And I had it all sketched out. And guess what? Not fun to write a book. I just never wanted to do it again after the basketball book. Cool. Yeah. There you go. Could this be remade?

is a 10 episode Netflix show. No. I don't think so. It would be bad. Probably unanswerable questions. Is there actually a real drug that could make you blackout but also have this much fun

for eight to nine hours straight? I'm going to say no. This is not how being roofied works as I understand it. Yeah. Can't speak to it. But yeah. Not that I've ever roofied

someone or been roofied, but it's like it knocks you out. Yeah. It doesn't keep you up. They don't say rehypnal though. They say some other drug. That's true. It's almost like this.

blackout drug that does actually... It's not actually real drunk. It's a rehypne. No, they said, Rufelan. Rufelan. I bet it is Rihpnol, but they couldn't call it that or something like that. Or they're making up some blackout, but you can still have barrels of fun. The ecstasy version of Rehipanol.

I don't know. We covered the room damage bill. This is my big unanswerable question. Oh, you have one go? I'll save mine for last. Does Alan die when Tyson hits him? Oh. Amazing question.

I can't believe he gets up. like when he hits him, I was like, this would be funny if Alan's like not in the movie anymore because he's fucking dead. You think Iron Mike even now could throw a haymaker and just put somebody in the hospital like that. The best thing,

the best part about that is for a certain generation of people, you have definitely had over under triple digits amount of conversations about, could you take a punch from Mike Tyson? Oh, yeah. And that movie captures that perfectly, which is no. He not gets knocked the fuck out.

I love when he just stands up and he's got the worst Shiner in the history of Shiner. They're just like, he still got it. Ollie getting up from Frazier and Ali Frazier 1 and Gal Fanakis getting up from Tyson. The two greatest get-ups. I'm really proud of this question. Should the hangover sequel,

The Hangover 2, just have been a Blackjack Card County movie where it goes wrong and the casinos are after them. Oh. Would you rather watch that or then buy to Thailand? They try to go back the next weekend. Ed Helms has a date with Jade.

and Phil and Alan go to care of cards and take the seat. Phil's like let's actually really do this. We can make millions. And then it becomes the casinos are after that. I would have watched like a Phil trilogy. Like Phil back at school. Phil trying to like plot his next steps. Like I would have watched.

I wish they would have made a James Bond-esque series about Phil. Like a seven-up series where we return to him every seven years. Yeah. Well, it's funny because this movie happens. Right after like the peak of Kenny Powers, right? And Kenny Powers and Phil, there's a lot of similar. They're like the comedy, anti-hero basically. Yeah.

But I would have, more Phil in that setting would have been great. I like the idea, though, of what you're saying, and that is long the same lines as John Wick 2 and 3 where it's just like, we just pick up like right after this happened. Yeah, yeah. You know, that would have been fun. And they go back to Vegas. And then hangover three, they're basically in Monaco.

They decide to change countries. They go to Monaco and then more crazy stuff happens. No, Macau. That's where the crazy gambling happens now. Yeah, Maca. Whatever. Like, them leveraging Galafinacus as this Kart Savant, I think, would have been so much better than what they ended up with. Yeah.

It got too into, like, being a gangster movie in the other movies. Who won the movie? Cooper. Agree. It has to be Todd Phillips because he made $70 million, which you just can't. I just think he's, yeah. You can't understand it. And Galaphanacus becomes a star after this.

But when you look at what happens since then, you're just like Cooper. See, I think you guys are wrong. I like when we argue about this. I think Al Fanakis clearly wins the movie. He's the funniest character in it. He goes from being this just random dude who's in comedy circles to being like an A-Less comedy star basically right away.

And he's still the funniest thing in it 10 years later. But if you read anything about him, I never got the impression that that was something he wanted. And that was a question I wanted to ask you guys was, do you think that the guys who made this movie are embarrassed by this movie now? I think Alfenakis is. I think he's super douchey about it.

He made two more. and participates in dialogue. Like when they did the oral history, it's not like he was like, I'm really ashamed of the hangover. But the money was irrefutable for him. It's like for a guy like that, living on his North Carolina farm.

He was like a Largo kind of, look at you, you can't stop playing with the car. I'm so in your head. I'm really thinking about chips, about stacking chips. You just want to go? Want to end the podcast to go?

I did last night after I saw this movie. Craig, who won the movie? It's Galaphanacus. Because I remember in middle school when this movie came out, or I guess high school, everybody, you used to like pages.

Remember when you used to like pages on Facebook? You would create a page for just like a quote. And the hangover had a freaking page for every single Zach Alfenakis quote. And everybody at my age would just be like, it's a satchel, not a purse. Indiana Jones has one. Like all of those quotes were always. We forgot about that one. Yeah.

The satchel has been a what's age the best. A lot of people have the satchels now. Yeah. How's your satchel doing? You've been carrying a man purse around? No, but my father-in-law, who I really enjoy, one of his things is he has the belt with a little purse right over. Fanny pack. The fanny pack.

And he's got all the stuff in it, and I can't get enough of it. I make fun of it all the time. Old people are the best for a comedy standpoint with stuff like that. Fanny pack is an old man thing. You see that frequently. But now the satchel, I can't really.

Like it's a bike messenger bag. Yeah, I can't mess with that. Yeah. That's not my look. If we were interviewing somebody for the ringer, I mean, before you leave to become a fresh to step down, yeah. And they showed up for the interview

and they had a satchel on, would you be out immediately or would they have to win you back? What job are they interviewing for? Your job. You're hiring your replacement. Sure, I'd bring them in. You got to bring in somebody

who's lesser than you every time, you know? So satchel would actually be great for you. Okay. Yeah, satchel guy, new chief content officer. Yeah. What do you think? I would respect it. I'd follow him into battle.

Indiana Jones had one, so. We got to get Sean a satchel. Well, this is fun. I love the hangover. Voodoo. I love Voodoo. as well, a leading streaming app or with the library of over 150,000 titles

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Chris and I are back in two weeks. Sean's kind of out on Dead Poets' Society. Neil! Neil! My son! I think it's a good movie. the same passion for it that you guys do. Oh, we have a passion for it. Guess you don't love poetry. Yeah. Nope, just poker. I guess you don't love friendship and what a teacher can mean to a student. That's why I'm moving to Vegas full-time. By myself. Until next time, thank you.