The Rewatchables - ‘The Last Boy Scout’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: December 14, 2021

This is the '90s. The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan don't just go around punching people. They have to say something cool first. We revisit Tony Scott’s 1991 action film, ‘The Last Boy Scout,’ staring Bruce Willis and Damon Wayans. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Bruce Willis, Damon Williams, the last Boy Scout. Red It R. starts Friday, December 13th at a theater near you. All right, Chris Ryan is here. My name is Bill Simmons. We were attacking the last voice. God, it came out 30 years ago. Was not that well received when it came out and has pretty quickly, it's somewhere, it's not a cult classic, it's bigger than a cult classic.

It was seen by a lot of people. It made a fair amount of money. It had a major star in it. It had a major director. It had an incredible, rewatchable one. What's a word for between successful and cult classic? Oh, that's a great question. So, like, what is the, like, it's not quite cult.

but it has like a delayed reaction? Yeah, it's like a delayed, delayed hit. Yeah, yeah. What do they go? The pills that have delayed release or they go out throughout the night kind of? Right. Or it's just a rewatchable.

Yes. This is a really fun era. We've been doing action movies all year in the rewatchables. We've covered both Terminators with the first two lethal weapons. We've done Beverly Hills cop in 48 hours and all these ones in the past.

This is not, this is like the younger brother of those movies. It takes a lot of the DNA of things that work from basically... It's a fucked up younger cousin is what it is. It's like, is he come to Thanksgiving? Because hide the china if that's going to happen. Yeah, it's like learn from the good things

and also the mistakes from like 1982 to 1990 gave it some steroids and some HGH and went kind of bonkers with it. And there's just a lot of swings, right? Isn't that we should start there? Just this movie takes huge, swings for an action movie. We just did JFK, and it's a testament to Last Boy Scout that I watched last Boy Scout. And I was like, man, this movie is pretty dark. You know, like, we just did JFK.

And I'm like, that's, that's nothing compared to this. Yeah. I mean, this is, this is a movie that feels like it was made in a lab in a cool way. So it has a great story behind the story, which we'll get into, but is coming sort of at the really bloated, shiny, excessive. end of this action movie era where it's just like probably a guy, maybe a little hopped up on some funny powders, being like, you know what would be a great idea for a movie is if this happened? And then you kind of feel like in six months that that movie got made. And the people involved have such huge personalities and egos and stories behind them. But yeah, this movie is like every time you think they've topped it, they amp it up. And I think that's the Joel Silver of it,

is it just keeps cranking the volume. Yeah, and it's a modern-ish movie. You know, we did COBRA. Kyle Bray and I did COBRA on this a few months ago, which is a rewatchable movie in its own right, but it feels very rooted in the 80s. Like there's just a lot of ego. It's incoherent.

It makes no sense whatsoever. This, that 1990, 91, 92 of has all the elements of the 80s, but they're a little smarter at how they do it, but still has all the ego. go and the craziness. And the stories in this film were legendary. I mean, you had Tony Scott and Joel Silver who produced it. Joel Silver's at the peak of his powers. They hate each other. Bruce Willis is in here. He's coming off Hudson Hawk and he's coming up on fire the vanity. So he needs a hit. Like his star's starting to fall after diehard and it seems like he's one

of the biggest stars in the world. Now he needs one. So he comes in with some ego. Then you have Damon Wayans trying to prove himself as like kind of the new guy. Can I be the next Eddie Murphy? Like, who knows how it's going to play out with him. And none of them get along. And you have this script that Shane Black sold for what was a record at the time, $1.75 million, which became pretty legendary even before the movie got made. There's a bidding war. And we've talked about this.

And we've talked about a couple times because we've been doing 30-year anniversaries from 91. This is that era of the premiere magazine, New York Magazine, where people like us are actually learning about movies from some of this stuff. I remember the Shane Black script becoming a thing before they made the movie. And that was one of the selling points of the movie, which I'm pretty sure had not happened before. No, this is that string where it's this. And then, I mean, I guess my teenage boy self owes a lot to this movie because it was because of this movie, the Joe Astorhaus was like, I got to do basic instinct. Because I got a top Shane Black's record setting script sale.

And then Black would do it again with Long Kiss Good Night. there was this kind of this gold level gold club screenwriter who was selling these huge multi-million dollar projects that were pretty much ready made for like stars at the time. Yeah. And Shane Black, we've covered before. Predator, lethal weapon.

And then goes in a cold spell. It doesn't write anything for two years. Comes out of the cold spell. Now, what caused the cold spell? I don't know if it was just like he heard his back playing basketball. I think there were some issues. Sure.

Comes out of that with this script that you found online. It's pretty easy to find online. The original script is pretty revered by action movie kind of source. So the thing with Shane Black is that I would actually recommend if people want to look around online for them is his scripts actually make

really awesome reading because he spends a lot of time in the stage direction talking to the imaginary reader and doing a lot of like banter and funniest sides in the stage directions, which are typically like, you know, camera pants to the left, it's dark, this happens. This is like, hey asshole, it's Los Angeles, Joe Hallenbeck's smoking a cigarette, but you already knew that. And it's like, you can see why his scripts really like got hardwired into Hollywood executives at that time who

were like, I haven't seen something like this before, even if it's just like the way the wish in which this screenwriter is talking to me. It was almost making this. screenwriter as omniscient god kind of thing. And he wrote lethal weapon. So he's basically ripping off lethal weapon in a bunch of different ways with this movie. But he's ripping off himself. So I think I think we're good with that. Yeah. I mean like, Shane Black, the original, I think the original title for this movie was diehard. And Joel Silver was like, I'm taking that for this other Bruce Willis movie. So everything is everything in this era. Yeah. Also, you and I, there's a lot of things you and I love. We love mismatch partners.

This is unfairly called a buddy cop movie. This is not a buddy cop thing. Jimmy Dix is not a cop. These guys are not buddies. Yeah, Bruce Willis' character isn't even a cop, and they're not really buddies. But it's that mismatch device that works really well. I feel like if you and I ever went to some log cabin somewhere

and tried to write an action movie, there would definitely be some mismatch partnership would be like the foundation, probably a road trip. We'd probably start with those two things. It would be like some like grizzled private detective and probably a crypto salesman.

Or a blogger who just finished a succession season and now has information on the fourth season. Yeah, the mismatch concept works great. And it's got Willis who is, you know, right in his wheelhouse

of when he was one of the most famous people we had who made movies. Some people like to make the case that this is his best character and best performance. I've seen that out there. I just think diehard is... Yeah.

That's like an overthink. That's like basically be... You know, you're saying, I don't know if LeBron's 2016 game was his best game. It's this other... It's like, no, stop. Come on.

Let's not overthink this. Definitely think Joe Hallandbeck is in the same family as John McLean. And I would say that it's neck in terms of the greatest hungover. Nobody has ever done hungover the way Willis has.

I think he's our greatest hungover actor. Can I Can I push back on that? Okay. I think it's Don Johnson. I'll allow it. I also think Nulte is in there.

Nulte's in the mix. Oh, well, Nolte was drunk. I don't know if that's that kind of sung over. Actually, he's got the flaskat. He's just popping from it. If you and I have like a long night out and you're like, how you're feeling this morning? I think I would just text you a picture of Nick Nolte.

Right. In 40 hours. Yeah, I think this character is, like drunk McLean basically? Yeah. Or Dirty John McLean? He basically does this, he does Joe Hallenbeck for the first

like 30 minutes of Die Hard with a vengeance. You know, where he's just like, I have a fucking hangover, you know, like that kind of thing. But he does it the entire movie for this. Yeah, it's, I wish it wasn't as close to Die Hard as it was. Diehard came out in 88 in Christmas time. This comes out in 91 Christmas time.

So that's basically three years. they're not they're they're just too close i think as characters except for the uh the hungover thing but same kind of like witty one-liners he's a little more sarcastic in this i actually rewatch this i didn't seem in a couple years because for some reason it's not on that much i thought him and wayans had really good chemistry i think they're incredible in this together and it's so weird that they didn't get along on the set because it doesn't seem like that at all it seems like they don't get along for about 80% of the movie it's really only in the at the end that they starts quote unquote

vibing with each other but the antagonism feels really real throughout the movie like they're their dislike for one another is palpable

Willis really needed this one Wayans we knew a lot less of Wayans a cup of coffee on SNL Beverly Hills cop

has one really funny scene kind of bounces around he's in I'm gonna get you sucker he's in I think he's in the Hollywood shuffle

he's around People know who he is. For sure. But wouldn't say he's famous. Didn't know if he could carry a movie. And when does in living color start? Living color starts right around here, like 1990-91 range. And I think we had so few up-and-combing promising black actors.

You kind of knew who all of them were. Like, I knew who Will Smith was from just when, oh, Will Smith's going to act. That makes sense. There weren't a lot of parts for all of these people. And I remember hearing about this movie and being excited because I like Damon Wayans. It's like, oh, wow, he's going to be a lead in a Bruce Willis movie. It felt like a big deal.

And he crushed it. He's really good in this. Didn't really lead to the movie career, I would have guessed. I would have bought a ton of Damon Wayans stock after this movie. You basically watch this and you know, you're thinking to yourself, is there a world where Damon Wayans has Jamie Fox's career if it breaks differently? It's like a, it's like that kind of Reggie Hammond, my career is different. after this movie comes out part. And I guess maybe because he was on in Living Color,

and that was a really important show for a lot of different reasons at the time. Maybe you get pigeonholed a little bit as a TV actor versus a movie actor. But it's really strange because you go back, this movie comes out in, oh, he was in colors too. I forgot that one.

This movie comes out in 91. The Damon Wayne's vehicle was next year, the comedy, Mo Money. wasn't bad, but wasn't like a smash hit. Denny's in the last action hero playing himself, but that wasn't like whatever. And then the other big swing he had was Blank Man. And then right after that major pain,

those two bombed. Last Chance was Celtic Pride in 96, which is one of the worst sports movies ever made. There's like a weird cult retroactive. No, that movie's not that bad. No, it's bad. It's a bad movie. And then Great White House.

hype, okay, bulletproof, and then all of a sudden the 90s are basically over and he just, he never was able to follow it up. I wonder whether or not he was a victim of like in a way that maybe Fox never really had to suffer through is like just a victim of people assuming he was a comedy actor and that they were always looking for comedy vehicles for him. Because this movie, he's actually like, Jimmy is like a pretty tragic figure. Even at the end, it's not like he's going to go back to play quarterback. Like he's, he's essentially. asking to be Joe Helen Beck's assistant Private Eye by the end of this movie.

And by the way, I don't know why they didn't make this sequel. I just want to save for the record, Craig, I hope you're recording because it's important. I did like Bulletproof with Damon Wayne's, Adam Sandler. I'm good with that movie. I don't know. Where do you stand on that movie? I've spent a really long time since I've seen Bulletproof.

I think I've seen Celtic Pride since then, yeah. It is what you think it is. Yeah, so it just kind of never happened. And then he goes to TV and becomes a really big. sitcom star. And I think he's had a really good career. He certainly probably made enough money and all that stuff. But I think it's weird that he never had,

he never was able to parlay this into a couple other ones. And I don't even think he got market corrected. No, and then talking about like, Jamie Fox. Jamie Fox, it wasn't until Ali when he kind of started to get tickets seriously as a movie actor. And that was 2001. Yeah, I mean, I think I'm probably making a pretty easy comparison just because of the playing quarterbacks in movies about how like the NFL is full of druggie gamblers.

Right. But just to go all the way full circle, Damon Wayans winds winds up the last big significant thing he did was being on the lethal weapon TV show. So it comes all the way back to Shane Black. Yeah, it's weird because I don't know anybody who doesn't like Damon Wayans. Like if you were with like a group of people and somebody's like, I fucking hate Damon Wayans, you'd be like, what?

That doesn't make sense. So I just think sometimes people have bad luck. They never have, you know, that run. I think one more movie after this. Also, this movie didn't do phenomenally well either. So the Geffen Film Company, which is, I think this was right around the time they got created, they bid the $1.75 million. Shane Black and Tony Scott both said the original script, which is online, was way better than the final film. And we'll go into some of the stuff that is in that original script. But basically, the wife is a much more important character and ends up killing Milo

in the end. Milo the bad guy. Yeah. So that's how that played out. This movie was $43 million, a lot of which I think was post-production, because there's a lot of stories about multiple editors. Yeah, and like disastrous screenings, and then finally they were able to kind of get the right vibe for it.

But it made $124.5 million. Our guy, Raj. He hated it. No. Oh, he liked it? Three stars. Wow. One of the weirdest sentences

I think he's ever written. A superb example of what it is. A glossy, skillful, cynical, smart, utterly corrupt, and vilely misogynistic action thriller. So I would just say that even watching this now, it's almost, I almost like blushed at how dark it is, how incredibly violent it is, and how deeply cynical it is. It's sort of wild to imagine.

If he's not the biggest movie star in the world, he's in the top three or four at the time, being in a movie like this. And I guess it's just like you have to understand that that's just what these action movies looked like and felt like back then. I mean, Tony Scott's obviously this incredible visual stylist. And there's just some amazing shit in here. But when you go and you like watch Corey's The Hit on Corey's Scene or just like, you know, close-ups of people getting shot and blood exploding everywhere and you're like,

no, this was like a blockbuster movie. This was like, this was mainstream entertainment. Well, they had to cut a lot of that stuff too. I mean, this is a violent movie, but it was, they were like, this is NC17. This is way too harsh. You've got to cut this stuff. It actually would have been interesting if this was NC17. And I'm surprised they haven't done the directors cut into that stuff.

So we should mention, oh, go ahead. No, you go. Well, I was going to ask you because, you know, I was a little younger when this first came out. I think I don't, I don't know if I saw it in the theater. It's not out of the question, but I'm pretty sure I did. But for you, I was wondering. whether you were fired up about this for the football. Like how much did the football stuff play

into wanting to see this? And when you saw it, where you're like, did you think that the football stuff was rendered well? I remember thinking there was going to be more football than there was because of the trailer and the commercials and stuff. And being surprised

that basically the first scene is the only scene with the football. Now, I want to, I think we should do the categories because I really want to talk about the first scene of this movie is so important to the legacy. We can talk about that for like an hour and a half. Of this movie,

Billy Cole shooting that dudes was like one of the craziest things I've ever seen in a movie theater and became a go-to reference for me in columns for basically 20 years until the early 2010s when people like producer Craig had no idea what you're talking about. But that was, I think, one of the five or six most stunning ways I've ever seen a movie open. This fucking guy pouring rain just shooting multiple defenders that. killing himself on live on live TV during a game. And it was like, oh my God, we're off. Okay.

But this, I thought it was interesting rewatching this, how this movie really taps into some themes that became real football themes. Dude, even the fact that it's basically gambling is coming. Yeah, gambling is coming. It's going to overtake us all. And by the way, that happened. Yeah.

Drugs and pain killers. All that stuff. Corruption, corrupt owners. LA football. It hits all of these things that feel very time machining. Like somebody came out of 2013 and gave all of these ideas to Shane Black, probably did some lines of them and then went back in the time machine. And then he wrote the movie. Pre-24-7 news cycle sports hot take, industrial complex stuff. Like he's basically talking about it. I mean, you know, this gets touched on any given Sunday. But I thought that the part where this movie where they're talking about,

like there are no heroes in this sport anymore. So to keep people interested, we basically have to drug them with gambling. I was like, that's pretty provocative for 1991. Like who, I can't, what is that, Cowboys era? Like, who's, I guess that there is like an element to it where I get it. But I was like, this is pretty prescient stuff. You know, it was crazy.

1990 was the year I started gambling on football. Because the Patriots were terrible. And that was the first time. somebody in college, we started gambling, and it was like, oh, so I'll have a favorite team every Sunday now. I don't have to just root for the Patriots to not lose by 28 points. Well, is there just like a book, a booker, a bookmaker in college? Yeah. Yeah. We're putting them in. And so by the time this movie came out, I'd been gambling for two years. And those themes, I was like, yeah, preach, brother, they hook you with the gambling.

Because I was totally in at that point, you know, that was like when I'm telling my mom, I want to, I need money to join a gym, but it was really because the fucking cowboys lost the tease. Mom, I'm joining a gym. Yeah. But yeah, this movie taps into a bunch of stuff that would become themes for the next 30 years. And it's funny, I was thinking about how football movies have over and over again kind of either married what was going on or married what was about to happen going back to Rollerball. And Roller Ball just lays out, like football is basically human carnage, you know, for first sport.

and we commoditize this, and the game is bigger than all the heroes in it, right? Then it goes to North Dallas 40, which is late 70s. Nick Nulte is the receiver, and he's basically trying to, you know, they're trying to push him out.

He's addicted to painkillers, and it hits that whole thing. And it's, it was dark. And then we get to, you know, this movie in 1991 and any given Sunday in 1999 and even like varsity blues, even though that's a high school movie,

but the program. Even draft day is kind of cynical about football. Yeah, it's funny how all these football movies are way darker about football than I think we give them credit for, even the program, which we did on this pod. But that's like a pretty rough movie, you know, it's, it hits a lot of different themes, including steroids. There's not really a field of dreams for football other than like Rudy, you know? Like, there's not really like a, this is just beautiful stuff, you know, the fabric of America.

Right. Rudy's the only one. And then Rudy in real life was such a weirdo, a kind of. have actually hurt the movies. So yeah, this is, I would say probably the darkest of all the football movies other than any given Sunday, which is just bad shit insane. We might have to do that one again. Any given Sunday? We might have to do that again. Yeah, because that was one of the first rewatchables we ever did. We might have to bring back Van or Rissilo for that one and just kind of redo that one because

that movie is just nuts. All right, we're going to do the categories. Today's most rewatchable scene presented by Grey Goose vodka. There are many ways to enjoy a martini, but only one gray goose vodka. a gray goose, truly a product of remarkable imagination made with France's finest wheat, naturally limestone, filtered water distilled only once to honor its original flavors and aromas because they're that exquisite. Speaking of the perfect martini, let's get into the perfect scene. And what a way to transition. Let's transition to Billy Cole shooting four defenders as he's running.

I have a lot of questions, Chris. I figured this would be like half the podcast just the scene. All right, let's set the scene. Football game halftime, Cleveland versus Los Angeles. Cleveland's up 1710. I think they're covering at this point. Our announcers are Vern Lundquist and Dick Buckkiss with Lynn Swan as our sideline reporter.

Yes. They come back, they set up what's going on, they throw it down to Lynn Swan, who berates and interrogates this L.A. owner about why are ratings down? Why is attendance down? Where have all the heroes gone? I was trying to think like how fast this reporter would be fired in real life.

Like, imagine Michelle Defoy if we ever found her doing this. But I just want this now to happen in every game I watch. Brandon Ingram, where have all the heroes gone? You've got 16 at the half. There's like 19 people at a Pelicans game. Can you imagine? against Pistons and the guy's just like, Brandon Ingram, you must answer

for why there are no heroes left. Can you imagine like Lakers Pistons on Tuesday on T&T and let's like, let's go down to the force with LeBron James. LeBron, where have all the heroes gone? Player of Powerment is crazy. It just starts like putting him on edge.

Anyway, that seems crazy. Cut to Billy Cole. I think he does PCP in the locker room. That's what that's what is alleged later. I imagine that. I don't know why he took PCP. I always thought it was cocaine, but when you read the Wikipedia, they say it's PCP.

Who knows? Goes into the game. Now we fast forward to the last two minutes. They throw him like a little swing pass. For some reason, he's wide open in space. It's pouring rain. There's never been more rain, I don't think, ever in a football game. Somehow he's running. He's got the gun in his pants.

So did he, I mean, we're doing some nipicks now, but did he have the gun in the pants the whole quarter? Did he bring it on to the bench? I think he's coming out from halftime with the gun. is the implication. But they say it's near the end of the fourth quarter. So we fast forward ahead.

It affects his burst. Okay? Like, I don't think he's getting out above the second level. He's not getting past the linebackers with such grace and acceleration if he's got a semi-automatic weapon in his back pocket. How does he know it's not going to backfire on him? Well, I think Billy knows his fate at that point. Yeah.

Yeah, probably doesn't care. So breaks like four tackles with the gun in his pants. Yeah. And then just says fuck it and just start shooting people. Somehow he breaks four tackles and then shoots another four. Do we think he scored? Hard to say. I freeze framed it.

It seems like he turned around and went down to his knees in the end zone. Are you asking for gambling purposes? You know, they needed a touchdown there. So I was trying to wonder, like, if he scored, is it ruled the touchdown or is it unsportsman like conduct because he shot four guys? We would have to ask Fandul if they honor those bets. We have to The side of the honor

The Billy Cole game Our condolences To the families involved in the Multi- Shooting So then he says Ain't Life a bitch When he shoots himself

Hey life up bitch Do you think that caught away On the broadcast during this Okay so first of all Yes Yeah I think that they're like After the first shot They're out

Yeah they go to They go to like black I think Test signal Second of all Like there's a bunch of stuff that we have to hit here. First of all, there's only apparently one spotlight on in this entire Cleveland Stadium. They're playing this game in a German expressionist film.

The rain is you cannot like underestimate the rain. And Tony Scott, who I'm sure it was like a football fan and we've done a bunch of Tony Scott's movies on the rewatchables. But his idea of what football is like is way closer to what Zach Snyder does in 300 than it is to like football football. He's just like, these guys are. absolutely tearing each other limb from limb. It is the most barbaric depiction of football. Well, on top of it, it's a pouring rainstorm, which he uses the same device five years later as the fan,

which is a pretty terrible movie, but ends in like a pouring rainstorm that they're playing baseball in for reasons that remain unclear. Because it looks cool. It's dark in rain. So obviously he just thinks sports should be played in darkness with rain. Also probably a way to save extras.

Yeah. So you don't have to fill the whole stadium, which is weird because they fell a whole stadium at the end of the movie. Right. Right. So I don't know what to make of any of it, but yeah, keep going. Do you think that Vern Lundquist read this script? Do you think they were like, Vern, come on in, just do this opening V-O? Because I can't remember, does Vern Lungquist say like, oh, Billy Cole's pulled a weapon?

Like, he doesn't narrate it, right? No, he doesn't. No, because we're in slow motion at that point. I just feel really bad for Vern Lundquist, who's probably like, I'd love to be at a film about football with Bruce Willis. That sounds great. Right. You'd think they didn't tell them what happens with Billy Cole? I don't, I would imagine they did not share the pages with Lynn Swan, Dick Butkus, and Vern Winquist about, by the way, this is what happens next. Somebody should have had Vern Lundquist come back and do play-by-play for this scene, make believe it was the deleted scene

from Last Boy Scout. There's Billy Cole a swing pass. Oh my! So anyway, this scene was a watershed scene. Yeah. It weirdly, you could argue the movie peaks in the first six minutes because it's just one of the most insane things I've ever seen in the movie. Yeah, because it's also got the Bill Medley, the Friday Night Football song, the entire like opening up with the Hank Williams style song. I had that in What Stage the Best, but I thought that was brilliant.

Oh, awesome. Friday Night Football. They, like, just like such a parody of everything. It's just, players just crushing your. other and hard hits. Next rewatchable scene, Joe goes to his house and realizes there's a guy in the closet.

Yeah. See, there's all this steam in the shower like somebody was just in there. Only your hands dry. So it must be somebody else we're talking about. Mail somebody gives the toilet seats up. Since he's not under the bed, I figured you must have stuck him in the closet

when you heard my key hit the lock a day early. So who's the guy in the closet? Jesus Christ, nothing changes. You're still a lunatic. Gonna tell me who it is? Who's the guy in the closet? That whole thing. He gets a little detectivey, the wife.

Call your therapist, Joe, because you are losing it. Our guy, Bruce McGill, who used to be that guy, but now he's Bruce McGill. And all that leads to the car blowing up. The first of several car bombs in this film. Yeah. Next one would be Jacob. open the trunk. Give me the keys.

Slow and easy. You dumb bastard, you're going to pay for that. Jake, when the trunk gets open. Yeah. Jimmy's speech on the NFL stance on drugs and gambling. Oh, yeah. Which is clearly Shane Black

at 3.30 in the morning after one more pot of coffee and God knows what else. And he does this. They start with Demiour. roll because your knees are shot. Craig, play some of that for us. Instead of get a call from the fucking league and they're saying, hey kid,

your career's over. I say, why? Because I gamble. Why is there fucking injury report in pro football, huh? Nobody else has one. Pro football does. You know why? And so the gamblers will have a fucking accurate

spread. It's all business now. They push you until you blow your fucking brains out. Just like Billy Cole did. Can't you see those fucking hypocrites took away my fucking life? That seems great. I really enjoy that whole thing. Classic early 90s disgusting amount of blood dripping from his lip too. Like that was a big 90s like a guy getting, yeah.

drip spit in blood. Yeah. Next one I have as Joe versus Kim Coats. Does he touch me again? Oh, baby! Two for two. We got a two for two for two. A guy, Kim Coates, who's going to be coming up later for the That Guy Award when just a great bad guy.

And it's been just a bad guy in multiple movies. But Joe telling him, don't do that again, or I'll kill you. And then he actually kills them, which raises the question, can you kill somebody doing that? Apparently, yeah. I definitely don't want to find out. That always said Tyson would try to, he would threaten to do that and try to do that. or try to punch somebody to push their nose

through their brain and see if you could kill them. Who knows? Anyway, great Kim Kote scene. Also, the goofy guy in the background with the weird face? Yeah, Pablo.

Where's that guy from? I never recognized. I mean, I recognized the face but I didn't recognize the actor. I also love whenever you got, this was a real maximal use of hitmen with interesting, like, affectation.

So Pablo's playing piano. Taylor Negron is like, make him a cocktail. Like, there's like a lot of, like, Oh, it's like a very Tarantino era. Like everybody who's got a gun is also a very interesting person. Well, Tarantino, when he was on one of the rewatchables who did, he was talking about much, he loved this movie.

Maybe it was when we did Unstoppable with him. He was talking about Tony Scott. The bad guys in this movie feel very Tarantino-o, but Tarantino hasn't made a movie yet at this point. Right. So I wonder how much it influenced them. It's right when this movie ends that Tony Scott gets the script for true romance and for Reservoir Dogs and he makes true romance.

And then by the end of the day. 90s, having the quirky bad guys was, you know, almost a cliche. Every movie had those. But this was one of the first. I'm going to give him credit. The stuffed animal scene with the car chase. The stuffed animal is great. The daughter coming out of the woodwork.

I don't know how the gun fits in there. That was another. I'm doing all the nitpicks before we even get to pick a knits. But not sure how the gun gets in the stuffed animal, but great job. That's a great scene. And then the big ending. Yeah. The football game.

Which features Damon Wayans with a bullet through his hand. somehow throwing a football high enough to... 500 yards in the air to hit the senator or the luxury suite. You have the big fight in the stands with the lights and the people watching. You have Damon Wayne's riding around on a horse. That scene is like on cocaine.

There's, yeah, it features basically the greatest throw in football history. Saves the senator's life. Bruce Willis, also then there is an active shooter moment where Taylor Negron is just shooting. Damon Wands while he's riding a horse. And Bruce Willis and Taylor Negron get in an extended fight that ends with Bruce Willis dancing a jig.

Hey, what the hell is he doing? I don't know. Is he dancing? It's like, it's dancing. You know, for a dancer, he's one hell of a detective. I guess I should have put in here this scene when the, oh, I guess I did with the car chase, when the car chase that lands in the pool with the Hollywood rich guy. Yeah.

Hollywood Hills rich guy. The car's going down the hill. are really, really cool how they do that. I've never seen cars go down the hill at that angle without flipping over, and then it lands in the pool. But I just thought that was a really cool chasing. So my only other rewatchable scene would be

the strip club with Corey and then the Corey car chase murder scene right after that. I didn't like seeing Halliberry get murdered, so I left it out. No, I don't like... No, no, I was just like... It hurts my feelings when they take her out. I feel like they could have just, like,

had her take one in the shoulder Well, we'll probably get to that, but that is definitely one of those, like, we didn't know what we had. And then it's like, that's just a small part, but it winds up being this movie star. What do you have for most rewatchable? It's the opening scene. I could watch it like a hundred times in a row. There's always something new that I notice in it. It's so good.

Why are there any heroes left in this game? You could argue this is why football had to leave L.A. after that scene. I mean, prove me wrong. L.A. has no football teams within two years. All right, that's it for most rewatchable scene. This year, start up the holiday chairs with the vodka, your martini has been waiting for. Gray Goose.

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The Friday Night Football montage we mentioned. Who is Bill Medlay? Am I supposed to know who that is? Isn't he in the righteous brothers? Is that who that is? How many times do you think Joe Hallenbeck was physically assaulted in this movie? Because it's a what's age the best for me. He's not even like blinking by the end of it.

Oh, I mean, the CTE is raging. I don't know how many times he takes a headshot. He's got like so many direct hits in this movie. So seven times he's hit in the face. Three times hit in the back of the head. He's tasered and he's stabbed. So my question for you, Chris Ryan, is he abused more than Marvin in Midnight Run?

Or does Marvin still have the title for most abuse? I feel like Marvin has less blood loss than Joe. Like Joe is taking, like when Joe is getting beat up by the mobsters in the poolhouse, it's really bloody. I think Marvin has such bad CT that like Chris Nowinski has gone to visit him to see. to see just what happened during that car chase with De Niro.

He gets knocked out three different times. He gets three knockout concussions in the movie. He's forced to retire from being a... What was that job? Bounty Hunter. Bounty Hunter, yeah. So Joe How I'm back. That's at what stage the best for me.

Willis just gets... Nobody's better at getting the shit kicked out of them in movies than Willis. I was trying to think who is like a better actor for that. I don't know. He always gets his in the end, but it's funny to think of... about the Al Pacino's speech in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

that's all about like showing you get your ass kicked by the young guy which means the young guy is now surpassing you in the sort of pecking order of Hollywood stars. And Bruce Willis never had that ego. Like for most of the movie, Bruce Willis is getting his butt kicked.

Another word, sage the best. I really like the football card in how he writes to the daughter of the last Boy Scout. As you know, we've done over 200 movies at this point. Nothing makes me happier when they weed the title in to the movie in some sort of unique way. This was about as good as it gets.

The last Boy Scout on the football card. Fantastic handwriting considering he just did a handful of drugs in the bathroom. Right. He's got cooked up. Apparently that was, I tried to research what that card was, and it was the set called Pro Set that came out in 90, basically early 90s. We got to get Geo on to talk about it. Well, I don't think there's a big pro set market, because I think there's a big pro set market, because I think they flooded the market with pro set.

So they're like, oh, cool, I got my Drew Bledsoe pro set. And there's like, you know, 10 million of them. I, this is, you'll appreciate this. I think fantasy would too if he was here. Pour one out for fantasy. The, when they have, the guy used to have a much better job, but something bad happened. Yeah.

And he was morally in the right. But he had to do what was right for him so he could sleep at night. but now he's in a much worse job. And we get the flashback and it's always like some senator, child molesting some 12-year-old or somebody committing a terrible sexual assault. It's always like the worst thing in the world. It's never like, I took the senator's car keys because his blood alcohol level

might have been like a 1.1. It's always like the worst kind of assault. There's always a girl screaming. And then our hero has to do the right thing. And then we cut back to him and he's like drinking a whiskey sour and some. His whole life has fallen apart. It's not just like, yeah, I became a security consultant. It was like, no, I'm now like living in my car with a dead squirrel.

The lesson over and over again is don't do the right thing. Yeah, I also think that... Just look the other way. It seems like Secret Service agent is the job with the most, like, precipitous fall from Greece. It's like, if there ever is anything that goes wrong when you're a Secret Service agent, it's really, really bad. Yeah, they never have, they never have like, he's... He's just the high school basketball coach now. Former highly decorated Secret Service agent.

He's doing great. Sick of three kids, healthy marriage. Do you think that you would ever recognize a Secret Service agent enough to say, like, I just wanted to shake your hand? Like they did Joe Helen? No, I think the goal is never. Yes. And then they, then also he foils the assassination.

Yeah. He gets shot. It's just quite a job. What was that movie that we liked that's not quite good enough for a rewit with Michael Douglas? The Sentinel. Yeah. that same one where it's like the flashback and um in the line of fire he keeps his

secret service job but he's haunted by by being late on the uptake on the on the Kennedy night let's when we do our mismatch movie on the road trip maybe as the guys driving at three in the morning on i 84 he has the flashback of when he was a secret service agent yeah there's some bodyguard for a celebrity and maybe people screaming his fall from grace is just driving Trump around the block three times when he had COVID. He wanted to go to McDonald's. Trump had COVID and I knew the whole time and I didn't tell anyone. That's why I'm an alcoholic, private detective now.

Are there non-alcoholic private detectives or it's just if you're a private detective, you have to have a drink. If I'm a private detective, I'm raging at the depiction of my profession in cinema. You're just sitting in a car smoking cigarettes, eating fast food and you're an alcoholic with a flask. And every time you introduce yourself through your profession in a movie, if you're like, yeah, I'm a, I'm a private dick. People are like, you're a piece of shit

going through other people's trash. Fuck you. Another one's age the best. Another thing I love, bad guy saying the full name of somebody in the derisive way. Taylor Negron, who we'll get to later. Don't worry.

We have a whole Taylor Negron section. But it would be like if I just decided to be a fucking bad guy dick as we were doing this podcast and I was like I know you like that one Christopher you'd be like why are you calling me that stop or if I call it Craig Gregory it's just

and if you were calling me William I would just be so mad I'm like fuck you stop calling me William I don't like that but it's so effective it's such a great way to be like oh this guy's a fucking dick yeah I get it we could talk about him in a bit but it's an incredible antagonist. Wayans' hat in this movie is really cool, and I'm bummed that hasn't come back.

The sort of like the fez kind of thing with the little tassel. And what's funny is Hallie Berry wears the same kind of hat in Boomerang. Oh, yeah. So there's like a two-year run for this hat, and then it's just gone. I bet like it feels like,

I don't know, LeBron could bring that hat back in five seconds just by wearing it on one Friday night game. Post-on-the-cron, I'm going back to that hat. I'm going to the first time. Chris, you should bring it back. Yeah, you should bring it back. A couple more would stage the best. I just like the exchanges in this movie are really good,

and they're funny to see in a script, but it's like, fuck you, Joe, you were never around. I was lonely. Buy a dog. Yeah. Yeah, I believe in love. I believe in cancer. I'm fuckface, he's asshole.

Just like a lot of that really, really super witty, but Willis somehow pulls it off, which I don't think a lot of actors could, Yeah, even like the jokes about the hitman's wife before when the hitman's about to kill him and he's got him in the alley and he's just like, you're like, I'm going to shoot you. He's like after being with your wife, I might take two. Like it's just like all those, all that stuff, which is delivered in such like a kind of, it's such like an almost inhumane way of talking. But it kind of fits for the whole worldview of the movie. Yeah, it's like tired, drunk, sarcastic and dead inside. Yes. That's, that's, like, that's a, that's, you know, that's. sums up the movie. Any other would say the best? Hally Berry just in general, but just like her brief stint. And

it just even like she's actually like just brings so much to a kind of a nothing part. Like when Corey goes and talks to Joe for a minute in the strip club like it's just actually like she was like well this person's just leaping off of screen. So it's really that's another thing is that when you go back if you haven't watched this movie

in a while and you go back and watch it, you're like oh, Hallie Barry's in this movie for a while. She's in it for four or five minutes. Right. And obviously in love with her after this movie, she does, she was in Jungle Fever in 91 and Last Boy Scout in 91. And then she played Angela in Boomerang in 92,

which Van and I did for a rewatchable was a few months ago. And one of the conceits of Boomerang was Eddie Murphy doesn't realize right away that this is the girl he should be with. Right. Which is just so ludicrous if you saw the last Boy Scout. Right. Just for five minutes.

you're like, who is that? That is one of the best looking people who've ever been on a movie screen. When am I getting her in a movie again? And then she's playing basically the Lori Loughlin's secret admirer. Oh, I didn't realize I was attracted to you role. It's a stretch.

It's a problem with Boomerang. The only other thing I wanted to say that age is the best is, and we've talked about this with JFK, where there's a scene in a mystery film or like a noir movie where the main character meets someone who basically explains,

what happened and what is happening in the movie. So in JFK, it's Donald Sutherland. But in this movie, it's when he goes and meets Shelley, the owner of LA Stallions. And he's just like, well, I'm going to kill you. So I'll just tell you the whole conspiracy. Right. But the conspiracy is actually really cool.

You know, and I think it's actually a really interesting conspiracy where, like, you know, they bring up like whether the mob will be upset about sports gambling being legalized and needing the senator's vote and blah. blackmail and blackmail counter blackmail. I thought like the conspiracy for this movie is actually like you could do that today and it would still work. Well, and on top of it, Jimmy Dix is trying to get back into football by having his stripper girlfriend blackmail the owner, which also seems totally realistic. Like could that happen to Jerry Jones? Maybe. It's not inconceivable. Are we sure it hasn't? Yeah. Maybe it has been covered up. Next, Seth Wicker Shaman. God, damn that. Report. All right. We're going to do what's age of Let's take a break. Are you looking for support in your weight management journey? Zepbound terseptitide may be able to help.

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Confusion music video. What's happening? They couldn't have found a better Jimmy Carter. That just seemed like it was from a different movie where Tony Scott was like, we need to ground this film in American history. Now they would CGI it would be more realistic. They should probably go back in CGI now. The first dad-daughter scene, I think, is bad. I don't like it. It's long. The daughter's like too angry.

It's that Daniel Harris, who plays the same part in like four different movies over the course of adolescence. Yeah, she's Halloween 4, underrated. I think the most underrated of all the Halloween's. But that scene was too long. And then

Yeah, there's some There's some misogyny stuff But I felt like it was Yeah, there's the typical Like homophobia, misogyny In the humor and stuff, yeah I felt like that was on brand For late 80s, early 90s

It certainly didn't jump out at the time Any of their Woodsage is the worst for you Other than not finding out the final score Of the Cleveland L.A game? This film's concept of roughing the passer I feel like NFL rules Have deviated away from Tony Scott's conception of what's

an appropriate amount of contact with a quarterback. Do you think Tony Scott had ever seen one minute of a football game before he made this movie? So it's like rugby, but with helmets, right? Got it. And maybe. But, you know, knowing him, I bet he's like, like, for all I know, he was in like a huge Raiders fan, you know? I doubt it. I think he probably watched one football game and it was coincidentally, probably the most violent game of the year.

He probably watched like some Pittsburgh Houston Oilers game that had like six people getting kicked out. bat game. Buddy Ryan against Pittsburgh. Any other what's age the worst? I thought I was surprised by how this movie had aged better than I expected. Yeah, the only thing else that I would say age of the worst was Joel Silver and Bruce Willis's relationship, which just seemed like it was combustible to say the least.

Let's go to casting what ifs. That weren't a lot. I was disappointed. I thought for sure there would be like seven different. Well, this is the era of like it was sent to this person. So it's like, do you want to say? say that Jack Nicholson was up for Joe Hollenbeck? I just don't believe that.

I did, I had that and I saw that in the research. I didn't believe Jack Nicholson. We do know that Tony Scott wanted Grace Jones to play the Halle Berry part and the studio overruled them. Okay. Nice job by them. We know that John McTiernan declined to direct the film because it was another Bruce Willis thing. So

I think that was probably the right move. And he didn't do Die Hard 2 as well, which was yeah. This is, I'm stretching it with casting What If, but it's so incredibly important. Tony Scott hated Joel Silver so much after this movie

that he then based Lee Donowitz in true romance two years later on silver. And we talked about this when we did our true romance pod. We broke this down. What was the guy's name in that movie? We named the word after him briefly. Saul Rubinick.

Saul Rubinick. We've had the overacting word. Yeah. And then Vincent Hanna took it back, but it was the Saul Rubinic. You stab me in the heart. he hated Joel Silver so much he made that Coke Coke addict crazy movie producer basically was Joel Silver and everybody knew it and it was his fuck you to Joel Silver and Joel Silver I apparently went nuts when he saw it

Yeah I mean I don't I can't remember Do we ever to figure out like what coming home in a body bag Is which Joel Silver movie is supposed to be? What a classic movie that is All right best that guy I can't the Joey Pants Award So McGill doesn't count. McGill doesn't count. I think it's Kim Coats because I knew that guy forever and I never knew what his name was.

And then I was like, oh, his name is Kim Coates. I think the other guy, would you say his name was Pablo? I think whatever that guy's name is, is that guy. There's no question. And the guy who plays Shelley the owner is that guy. I don't even know what that guy's name is. But I think it's Kim Coates. Noble Willingham plays Sheldon Marcon.

And then Pablo is played by a guy named Frank Collison, who's just actually I would probably go Frank Collison I think is probably my my that guy. All right we'll give Kim Coates and Frank Collison a tie. I was thinking though do we create a Bruce McGill Award for that guy who graduated from being a that guy? We could do that or we could bequeath Joey pants to Bruce McGill, the McGillicuddies we could call it or something. You can't do it to pants. Take it away from Joey Pants. Well we've done it know we went Vincent Hannah Linda Partridge. you know, we've moved around some designations.

There's three people who are Joey Pan's graduate, Bruce McGill, Chelsea Ross, who plays the senator, and this completes the sports movie Mount Rushmore for him, if you want to call this a sports movie, because he was in Hoosiers, he was in Rudy and Major League. Yeah. The other that guy, who's a really good that guy, who I think has faded because he kind of peaked 70s, 80s, 90s, but Joe Santos was in a lot of stuff. he's the guy the police sergeant who has the generic Oh, I had him in my hand

Like the guy who's like, yeah I let him walk right out screaming at Joe So those are guys The Vincent Hanna Give me all you got a word He was one candidate I had him in my hands

And then the daughter I think Dials it up in that scene The daughter I also have a The cop who thinks that free agency ruined football That guy That guy in Vince Colin Coward that guy got hired by the fan two weeks later in the late night show.

Deanne Waiters, all due respect to Kim Coates, it was a great scene, he did a great job, he has nothing to be ashamed about. But Taylor Nagron, yeah, wow,

this is everything we want from Dean Waiters. It was easily the best performance of his career. He's one of the better bad guys. We even see him, we think he's dead. He just gets out of a burning car in a pool. He's fine. to shoot people.

Every scene with him, he's kind of mesmerizing. And I'm actually surprised he wasn't a bigger star. I guess maybe there was nowhere to go after this. What do you think? This scene, like, when he's like doing the, can we do formal introductions and like all that stuff? Like that became the hipster kind of ironic, funny, but also incredibly scary villain.

By the time you get to like Conair, that's Derriguer. Like, it's kind of like, yeah, let's make Steve Bishemi. the craziest guy here. Let's take this person and invert it. I can't really think of an, I mean, I guess Alan Rickman is also kind of like that, where it's like so... I feel like Alan Rickman invents it, and then Taylor Negron shows that you don't even need that famous of an actor that big of a part to do it. But some of our listeners may not understand like the context of like Taylor Negron was like the guy you would see do like six minutes on Letterman, right? Yeah, he was a

comic. Yeah. And it was a pretty like, you know, funny, observational comics seemed very much like a product of Los Angeles comedy. It's kind of just amazing to see him as like the most violent killer in this movie. I was trying to think who the modern version of him now would be, you know, definitely be somebody on S&L. It would be like Kyle Mooney on S&L. Right. If he was just all of a sudden this homicidal maniac in a movie like this, he was like, wow, Kyle Mooney. He was in punchline. And he really peaked with this movie. And, he's just incredible. I really think he pushes this movie to another level. Yeah, when he's like, Officer, there are too many bullets

in this gun. And I think you make a great point, Christopher. Recast and couch. You want to do it for then or you want to do it for now? No, for them. I feel like we can do better

than Chelsea Field. I'll do respect for Mrs. Scott Bacula. She's fine. It's a better part as it's written, as it's written, though. Like, who knows what Chelsea Field, you know, could have done? What if I gave you Renee Rousseau in this part? I like how Chelsea Field wears the kind of what it must,

the toll it must have been to be with Joel Halliback. Like, when we come in and, like, they're just kind of, like, living in their own filth and, like, their marriage has really failed. The daughter's all fucked up. She's sleeping with his friend. It's just, like, Renée Rousseau has a kind of, like... You feel like she would have gotten out of there already? Yeah, she just feels like, you know, if we ever do the two for the money pod, we could talk about this.

But like, I just feel like she wouldn't get dragged down by somebody like that. What do you mean if we ever do? What does that mean? Just waiting. I'm waiting. Are you challenging me? I don't know how many times I can see this with you. Listen, we have the rewatchable scouts.

They're scouting that one. We're checking it out. All right. So if you're vetoing Renee Russo, I think I have to throw Don Johnson in here in the Joe part. I would love John John. That's a nice time for Don Johnson. He's a little older, seven years out of Miami Vice. And it goes back to what we were talking about, Damon Wayans.

Never had the right movie part. Sonny Crockett was the best character ever played. He got done lobbying Oliver Stone to play Jim Garrison. Right. That didn't work out. Tough year for him. Hey, Oliver, you haven't returned my calls about playing Jim Garrison. I was just wondering, should I take that as a yes then?

Oliver, as I said of my last message, Miami, we wrapped a year ago. I have a lot of time, though. I think this basically could have been an awesome Sonny Crockett movie part. Yeah. And he just would have cigarettes all the time. And I think he could have nailed it. All right. Half S internet research, we mentioned very troubled production.

The assistant director, James Scotch DePole, I think that's how he said. He attributed the tension on set, quote, overabundance of alpha males on that project. Bruce is at the height of his stardom. So was Joel. So was Tony. So was Shane. Joel told the New Yorker making this film was one of the three

worst experiences of my life Shane Black seemed to agree he said he was forced to keep rewriting it Studio wanted this to be a diehard Bruce Willis follow-up the whole movie is about him saving his wife I did that and die hard let's fix that change it

and they kept changing and kept tweaking it we'll get to some of the stuff in a second did you see the football experts were for this movie? No. Craig, I can't wait until you hear this. Our two football experts for the movie scenes,

A.C. Cowlinks and O.J. Simpson. No, they're not. 100,000 percent, yes. Those were our two technical experts for the football scenes. Still, stop fucking around. No, they're not. I am not fucking around. You can look this up. Taylor Nagrond says this in one of the interviews he gave. O.J. Simpson, A.C. Cowlinks.

Holy shit I didn't know that That might be the best half-asseter research you ever had That's great I have no response OJ is like yeah Yeah the shooting seems fine What about decapitation

Can we get that in here? Yeah so that happened The conversation between Joe and Jimmy About the $650 pants Was actually a deleted scene In Lethal Weapon And Shane Black repurposed it they filmed the big football scene at the Los Angeles Coliseum

and a riot nearly occurred in the second day of shooting because they canceled the recall for that day the extras all showed up thought they were getting paid they said you can go home people were mad they surged the barrier and they actually had like a near riot so on top of all the other stuff fortunately OJ Simpson and Al Cowlings were there to calm everyone down how many people died in this movie do you think?

It's like 25 right 27. Shane Black's original script was different in the following ways. Second half was completely different. Milo and Shelley Marcombe bigger characters. This was great. As you know, I love this rabbit hole, but Milo had a job as director of snuff films

in which his men would kill kidnap women in very violent ways. What a deranged human being to write this. He's like, not enough's going on here. What about a snuff film? Milo in the movie in the script kills an entire family who actually shows up near a place with having a meeting. There's a big boat chase scene that gets taken out, two shootout fight scenes, and there's

a different final showdown between Joe and Milo. Milo gets killed by Joe's wife. By Sarah, yeah. So other than that, it's the same. Worth noting, if you get a chance to read the script, if you don't, because life's short. But I would just say that you can see how the changes that Silver and or Scott and or Willis make effect what is originally. Now, what Bill described is obviously incredibly violent and over the top.

But there are little things like in the beginning when you see Jimmy and he's like at like this NFL party or national league party. He wakes up and the other football players abusing the woman. He throws a football in his face to stop. That's like one of like two or three scenes that really like sort of sets up what Jimmy is doing with his time, which is just kind of like drugging around and, around the outskirts of the game. But it also really sets up like the Jimmy character. And it's, it's,

it's, I would almost like be curious to see someone make the Shane Black's shooting script. I don't think you could make this movie today. But there are a lot of really cool character building scenes in the screenplay. If it's, it's worth watching, reading if you get a chance. Or maybe that's how they do the Netflix series.

Right. Apex Mountain. Bruce Willis, though. This is just an all time. Yes for me. The Wayans brothers. You got Damon and Last Boy Scout,

and then you have all of them in the Living Color, which is becoming one of the cool shows on TV. Yeah, Keenan is basically like the Lorne Michaels of the moment, right? Yeah, the families have it a moment. So I'm going to say yes for them. L.A. NFL home games,

I have to say yes. I think just those two games. Like, think all the stuff that happened. Is it ever gotten better for LA football? No. 1990s, Halliberry? I'm going to still say Boomerang.

Yes, I would agree with you. boomerang more than this. She gets more screen time. Daniel Harris, I'm going to still say Halloween 4. I'll do respect to her. Halloween 4 is a good movie. Tony Scott, no. Joel Silver, probably not. No, I mean, Matrix, die hard. There's a bunch. Anything else for Apex Mountain? Oh, I had one more for you.

Early 90s, kind of kooky L.A. I still think True Romance. Yeah, I prefer true romance. I was going to say my Apex Mountain would be $650 leather pants. Don't think that they ever really got more popular. And I think this is Apex Mountain for hangover acting for like a character being hungover.

Wow. I still might go Sunny Crockett, but I got to think about it. With no Jack Cates on that? Ah, this sucks. That's true. Maniac gets a hold of my gun, starts shooting people. All right. We're going to pick some nits, but let's take one more break. Pick a knits. You want to go first or should I?

Well, pick a knits. I'll go, I'll give you one. Jimmy, I just feel like should be way more upset that his girlfriend was brutally murdered right in front of him. Yes. He got to shrug that off in 10 minutes. He's at the diner. He seems more concerned with the fact that like he's not going to get back into the football because they've lost the evidence of the black male than her death.

My guess is maybe she wasn't the only girlfriend he had or something. I don't know. No, I mean, he says that in the beginning. He's like, I nail everything that moves or whatever. What do you have for a nitpick? Yeah, there's no more football after the Billy scene. They're not like, huh, well, next week we'll see if the stallions can recover from their star running back, committing mass murder on the field during a game. Lynn, back to you.

They're just like two weeks later, they're like, we're back here. Not only that, a senator is at the game. Like, that's fucking crazy. There would be no more football if this happened. Do you think they should have Billy Cole's chalk outline on the five-yard line? Just to remind people. Yeah, that's interesting. Craig, will you come on for a second?

Yeah. Craig's like, uh... Craig, first of all, your thoughts on the Billy Cole scene, never having seen this movie before. Really just shocked the hell out of me. This entire movie, I don't think I've ever seen a movie crazy. than this. It was wow. I also agree with Chris. It was pitch black in that stadium. I have no idea why.

So you think they shut the whole season down or they take a month off? How do they handle this? Knowing the NFL, they don't shut down. What week is it? Oh, interesting. If playoffs are two weeks away, they're not shutting it down. It's cold and raining in Cleveland in the first scene, right? Because it's in a way game, right? It's in Cleveland, right? So it's maybe November, December, maybe early December.

If it's like week 14, they're not shutting it down. I thought it was in LA, but I think you're right. It wasn't Cleveland, which just add this to all the terrible things that have happened in Cleveland Professional Sports. It's where Billy Cole murdered five people, including himself. Yeah, maybe they shut down a week. Week 11, games are canceled, week 12. They make a thing about it.

They're all wearing, like, colored cleats. Yeah. Somebody gets suspended for putting Billy Cole's number on their cleats, or something? Yeah. Okay. All right. Thanks, Craig. Why wasn't the daughter in school? This makes me think... No idea. Is it Christmas break? Maybe it was Christmas break. Might have made more sense. All Shane Black movies are basically Christmas movies, so I was wondering about that.

But yeah. So Jimmy Dix plays two years for the Stallions. 89 and 90. He's banned from the league on gambling charges. There's also rumors of drug abuse. Yeah. for some reason, this is Joe's favorite player, as the daughter tells us.

Do we buy that in a million years? This guy, Joe, who hates rap music, who just seems like he likes getting drunk, just became totally enamored with the young black quarterback and the L.A. Stalions, or do you think, could you see him with, like, some 6'5 white guy from Texas? This is an incredible point,

because the other thing is that Joe is already disillusioned, from being washed out of the Secret Service because he caught a senator sexually abusing a woman. So it's not like he is an idealistic chap. He's not like, you know what I really believe in is this is this Tulsi quarterback of the Stallions. And then, but like, and then she's like, your fall from grace erased his love of football.

Like that's literally never happened. Nobody's like, I just don't like football anymore because this guy turned out to be a prick. It would be funny if they had a second scene where Joe was like, you know, it was you and it was Randall Cunningham. You guys were taking the league in another direction. And then you let everyone down. I also another nitpick. I have a lot of questions about Jimmy and his wife getting back together.

At the end? Yeah. I'm pretty sure they're not getting back together. Three days later, they're just like, so you're not going to quit drinking, huh, Joe? And you're not going to get a job. Does Joe get paid for any of this? Does he make money for this? Well, they have the suitcase.

The suitcase full of money because Marcones takes the bomb. Okay, so he takes some of the money. All right. Any other nipicks? We covered a lot of them. No, I mean, nitpicks is just like, could Jimmy make a,

with a bleeding hand, throw a perfect spiral into the upper deck of the Coliseum to save a Senator's life from a sniper's bullet. That's my nitpick. We really needed Chris Collinsworth. announcing that way.

Oh, Al! Oh, my God, Al. What a throw by Jimmy Dix. You know, this Jimmy Dix? He can sling it. Oh, my God. I mean, he told us he was feeling good, Al, but to have a

bullet hell in his hand and throw that ball 89 yards? It would be cool if, like, Romo called that as Jimmy gets on the horse. Huge play, Jim! Oh, my God, he's going to throw it for the senator. Huge play, Jim!

Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show? I'm intrigued. Would you want like a stallion's show or would you want a Joe Hallenbeck show? Can I give you an alternative idea? Sure. Can we have a show about the making of the last Boy Scout ripping off your idea about Jaws once upon a time?

This is why you're the best. Well, if O.J. and A.C. Cowlings are there as technical consultants. Let's get the behind-the-seat show. Adam McKay. Come on. The phone lines are open, baby. Got Joel Silver, Tony Scott, Bruce Willis. It's C. Horlebeck at Spotify.com, Adam. I would love that one. Okay. Probably in answerable questions.

We talked about one already. Did the movie foreshadow the gambling era? I think it more than foreshadowed it. I think it put a bright, pulsating light on where things were going with gambling and sports. Kind of amazing to rewatch. Shelly, the owner. So Jerry Jones precedes the owner by two years.

because I think he buys the Cowboys in 89. But Shelley, the Venn diagram of Shelley and Jerry Jones, let's just say there's a ton of overlap. Do you think this was a Jerry Jones character? Well, so it fell a little bit of that, and then there was a little bit of Glanville in him. I thought, you know, a little bit of just like that Texas cowboy, but his whole character is such a trip, man.

This was a trope in movies a few times where like the kind of giddy, see me a little bit drunk guy from the South who owns a team they would put in these different things right or they'd be a booster or whatever they would be Is he also supposed to be a little bit like Bud Adams I don't even know right like the guy who owned the Oilers Well that's that was my other unanswerable question about him

How does he end up buying the LA Stallions? Why didn't he buy like Houston or Dallas? I'm sure he moved them from somewhere else You think he moved them from like San Antonio? Yeah they were like the little rock stallions and he moved him to L.A. And why are they called the LA Stallions? What is about, what is stallions about an L.A.? So it had to be like the San Antonio Stallions, and they move them to L.A.

Right. Well, it's weird because in the script, there's references to real NFL teams. Like, they're playing the Bears in the first week. But I'm sure the NFL was like, you cannot even make reference to like that this is the same sport. But yeah. Yeah, they asked Pete Roselle for the real uniforms. And they sent him the script and he only needed to read three pages. He's like, okay.

Permission denied. All right, this is a really good one. This could be a turn-the-camera game to attend. Your nominees are pouring rainstorm, Billy Cole shoots four defenders and then himself with two minutes left. That would be number one. Number two would be the final scene in this movie, which features... Jimmy Dix. The disgraced L.A. suspended from the NFL quarterback Jimmy Dix, somehow on the field, throwing a football

past toward a senator's box that gets shot in midair, a sniper, he's riding a horse, there's just all kinds of chaos, and then somebody falls to their death after being shot 40 times. Is that a crazier game to attend than Billy Cole killing four people and then himself? I think that at the, like, because there's so much more that happens in the second game, I'm going to go with the second game is the career one. I think that's the right answer. I was trying to think

if you come home and you tell your wife or girlfriend or significant other about what happened you could pretty easily explain the Billy Colth and be like this fucking guy was on drugs he had a gun and he just shot people

the equivalent of Pete Rose comes running out of a dugout it just shoots seven umpires slides into home base and somehow saves like George Bush's life like while right like yeah

it's a longer story the second game. Yeah. I think you're right. Okay. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? I had one more probably unanswerable question. Let's hear it. Do you think that Urban Meyer watches this movie and he's like pretty accurate? Could you use some more leaks? What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? I would want the autographed football card. I actually think that would be an amazing collectible. Yeah. The actual card that Damon Wayne signed that they used in the movie if that was a prop. That would be really cool. I would want the dropped cigarette that

Kim Coates gives Bruce Willis. May I have a cigarette? I seem to have dropped mine. We should have put that in Apex Mountain dripping blood from the mouth and nose. I think you're right. I think this was the apex for that. All right, this is tough.

Who won the movie? I think that Willis is incredible in this, but I want to give it to Damon Wayans because I think that this is just a dynamite movie star performance from him. And he never captured it again. He never got this opportunity really. again. But I don't think that this movie

works if it's any number of other, like, hot young thing Hollywood stars who play against the younger grizzled veteran. I agree with you. I think multiple people could have been Bruce Willis, including Don Johnson. I don't know in 1991

who else could have been Jimmy Dix. Right. Eddie was too old. Denzel wasn't going to do it, and he was too established at that point. It's Wesley Snipes makes it weird, I think. Jamie Fox, it's too early for him. But I think by like 1998-99 range, Jamie Fox could have easily done it.

Yeah. And then I think we have way more candidates once we move into this century. But it's like right time, right place for Wands. And he's really likable in it. He really is. He's really good. And it's a bummer that he never got better scripts

or that his manager never found him on. I'm with you. I think that's the right answer. I was going to say Tony Scott, but I don't even think people necessarily think of this as a signature Tony Scott movie. Yeah. So I think Tony Scott's like there's probably some good stuff in there,

but this sounds like it was an agonizing movie to make for him. Yeah. Well, when somebody writes the movie about cocaine, late 80s, 90s movies, that just where there's just lots of weird stories and weird shit going on, this will definitely be a chapter. This is the last boy scout. This is the second half of Goodfellas of that decade. All right.

The Last Boy Scout. That's it. this was produced by our guy Craig Horlebeck. We'll be back with one more movie next week, and that will be it for 2021. Don't forget to go on Spotify if you want the entire archive of everything we've done. Don't forget to listen to The Watch.

What are you going to talk about now that Succession's done? Station 11. It's a new HBO Mac show. It's coming out on Thursday. It's really great. Oh, good. Yeah, it's incredible. Who's in it?

McKenzie Davis, who is in Halt and Catch Fire, but it's based on this big dog. I like McKenzie Davis. Yeah, it's awesome. All right, cool. All right, Chris, good to see. Please, you soon.