The Rewatchables - ‘The Last of the Mohicans’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: August 11, 2020

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan try to stay alive no matter what occurs as they rewatch the 1992 American epic ‘The Last of the Mohicans’ starring Daniel Day-Lewis and Madeleine Stowe and directed by Michael Mann. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Last, the Mohicans is now. next. I'm going to have a serious defied authorities and a rebel who surrendered to no one. What are you looking at you, sir? I'm looking at you, miss. New Day Lewis.

Stay alive, no matter what it occurs. Madeline Sterling, we'll find you. The last of the Mohicans. All right, Chris Ryan is here. This is a semi one for us. I don't think it's a full-fledged one for us because this is a very successful movie. It's a relatively famous movie.

It was a culturally impactful movie when it came out. And now it is almost 20 years old. More importantly, our guy Michael Mann, we're back. The guy who started the rewatchables with heat. This is where it all began. We're going to eventually do every single Michael Man on the Michael Man movie on this pod, including Black Hat, which will probably be the last one. I'm surprised it took so long for this one.

My first question, what would you call this genre? Because you have Jeremiah Johnson, 1972. you've dances wolves 1990 you got Last Mohegan's 92 you got the Revenant in 2015 it's like modern mountain man Frontiersman

Modern Frontiersman but modern though because there's like the Jeremiah Johnson is the cutoff that's like the first modern one The revisionist like Frontiersman movie yeah I think I think that's

because I you know some people tried to sort of because you know Unforgiven came out this year I'm sure we'll talk about the Oscars and everything but I think that people tried to make this

into a Western man was pretty insistent that it was, you know, this is more of a romantic adventure for him. Set in 1757, Jeremiah Johnson, which we'll do at some point. My dad's single favorite movie ever. His number one. Jeremiah Johnson. His number one favorite movie ever. He watches it all the time.

He texts me, and I know he's watching it because he'll just text me. Some say he's up there still. And I'm like, oh my God, you're watching Jeremiah Johnson again. This has legacy to it. But I think, you know, it's 1992. This is really the last big year of the MTV-ish crossed with real movies kind of thing that they were doing back then.

Because the last 15 minutes of this is basically a music video, right? I mean, it's a music video, but it's among the best last 15 minutes of any movie I've ever seen. Right. It's like he perfected this MTV thing that he basically started with Miami Vice in 84

and then everybody took their swings at it. And then he hit the walk off homer with it. And then I don't really, I feel like it started to kind of fade out after that. I would have loved to see the last 15 minutes of Last The Mohicans recut to In the Air Tonight by Phil Collins. And it's just like when Alice is sort of walking out of the rocks and the drums come in, yeah. Well, they could have crossed those movies where you could have had Daniel DeLewis as he's about to go save the sisters stopping at a phone booth with Tubbs having a cigarette.

Caroline, was it real? All right, so this is a true connection and a collaboration between two lunatics. Yes. Daniel DeLewis and Michael Mann. This could go one of two ways. Either they would hate each other to the point where they, like courts and police would have to get involved or love and respect, which is how it played out here. These two were made for each other, right?

Yeah. I mean, you got one guy, the director, Michael, man who's essentially staring at 18th century landscape portraits and art and just being like, I want to recreate the way that people saw light, you know, 300 years ago. And then he finds the one actor who's like, yeah, yeah, I'm going to learn how to make a canoe. You know, I'm going to learn how to live pre-industrial revolution because that's the headspace I need to be in for my character. They are the perfect match. And you're absolutely right. This could have been one of the all-time Heaven's Gate.

Oh, man. And then Daniel Day Lewis attacked Michael Mann with a tomahawk on day 97 of being in the Appalachian Mountains with no air conditioning. But it sounds like Daniel Lee Lewis was like anything that Michael Mann would ask someone else to do, he would also do. And the stories that you did get from this, it sounds like it was a very challenging shoot, but they obviously got something that was pretty unique. Yeah. So it's a perfect marriage of two complete maniacs. Michael Mann's like, I'm thinking we should do a 38th take. Dana Day Lewis is like, sounds good. Let's do it.

Run it back. It's only one in the morning. That's right. It's not going to be daylight for four more hours. So Daniel DeLewis, he said about Michael Mann after, quote, Michael's very, very conscious of how every aspect of film contributes, the color, the sound, the lighting, the clothes.

I never saw him once make an arbitrary decision on a film of this scale that takes incredible concentration. Michael isn't threatened at all by other people's imaginations. In fact, it gives him pleasure to see where their ideas differ from his. In this business, I don't have to tell you how rare that is. First of all, I don't know what Michael Mann he's talking about because every Michael Man movie, like three people, either get fired or walk off the set. Right. But that's the respect that he had for Michael Man.

Michael Mann in return said, Daniel's ambition is spectacular. I mean, every actor should be as intense and serious and legitimate as he is. is totally authentic and totally legitimate as a director. It is a blessing to have that. They never worked together again, though. No, I mean, to be fair, I think Daniel DeLois has only made like eight movies since then anyway, though. Could you have seen him as Neil Kavanaugh and Heat? Is Neil McCauley?

Yeah. I mean, I'm sorry. I said Neil Kavanaugh, Neil McAulay. Who's Neil Kavanaugh? Neil Kavanaugh played like left wing for the Bruins in the 80s or something. You're just like making random Irish guys. So this is a really interesting question. So in 92, this is man's first feature for like after a long break in TV.

So he had done Miami Vice and Crime Story and he had done Manhunter, right? He did man. So the chronology is Jericho Mile Thief, the Keep in 83, which nobody saw. Manhunter 86, launches crime story. Does LA Takedown, which is the TV movie that led to Heat? Yeah. And then Last the Mohicans. And did some six-hour documentary.

On the Kiki Camerina story, I think, right? Yeah. That's in there, too. And so he was working on this documentary and he starts playing around with Last Meagans. But there's this huge gap. There's this huge gap between Manhunter and Last the Mohicans. And I think it's funny. Now you look back and you think about Last the Mohicans as part of Man's filmography as if almost it came out at the same time as Heat and collateral.

Like, filmographies can collapse in your memory and you can, you know, not realize the context in which a movie came out. But there's a world in which he puts this movie out and he's kind of a different filmmaker than the one that we've grown to know and love. I mean, I love this movie. Like, I know that we do one for them and one for us. I kind of feel like you're maybe doing this one for me and I really appreciate it. Because I love it too, though. I feel this way about this movie that I think a lot of people feel about Titanic. You know, where it is just like a nip. a maximalist romantic adventure with like a lot of tragedy involved. And I just think it's it's one of those throwback movies. And to see him execute that, it's kind of strange to see this kind of really lush, widescreen, almost old school way of movement making with a lot of like modern trickery. And then see where he went after that, where he goes all digital with Miami Vice and collateral and public enemies. And he has a very mannered style going forward, which we love.

But the guy who made Last the Mohicans could have been the biggest filmmaker in the world. So I think if this movie comes out in 1989, it gets nominated for like 11 Oscars. Yeah. It's a little late for the idea. As we said, the tail end of that kind of MTV crossed with real filmmaking thing. But I think Dances with Wolves really undercut it because Dances with Wolves comes out two years earlier. and is this huge sweeping three-hour movie set, you know, in the 1850s or whenever, 1860s, and wins all these awards.

And then within about a year of it, people started, had like Oscar regret about that movie. Remember? Yeah. It was like, man, it was good, but it shouldn't have done that well. Because you look at what happened with this movie. I mean, it gets no nominations. They had a nomination for sound. That's it.

We'll go into the Oscar stuff later. but it's almost like if it comes out three years earlier, I think it's received completely differently. And I think it would have been a better career move for him because it would have been closer to some of the other stuff he had going on. By the time this came out, just so you know, this isn't just for you. This movie came out on my birthday. Oh, Ra.

I was, I turned 23 years old. And it was a Friday night when it came out. I'm doing this from memory, but I'm 99% sure I'm right. And it's like, well, what do you want to do? your birthday. I was like, I'm going to see the fucking Michael Michael Mann movie and then we'll figure it out. Then we can go out for drinks after. But this movie came out and I think singles came

out the week before so it was a big month for me. But, um, great movie year. Yeah, but by 92, I think, and I think you were the same way. There had been a few years from Miami Vice. The legend of Michael Mann had kind of grown. Thief and Manhunter had become kind of cable VHS kind of movies. Yeah. And there

was real anticipation for this. And then with Daniel St. A. Louis, in 88 and 89, he makes unbearable lightness of being Ever Smile in New Jersey, which I don't even remember that movie. And then my left foot, he wins the Oscar. Surprise Oscar winner and gets the mantle of this is the next guy. But nobody could name, you know, none of those movies probably made a combined two million bucks. I think they were beloved and critically acclaimed. But yeah, they were not hits. Sure. Yeah. But like the average person would not, when he won the Oscar was like, who the fuck is that guy? Sure. So then it's like, here we go. Here it is. Michael Man, big budget. He's going to be the guy. And this was kind of like the logical career choice

for him at that point. Right. And it was a career of non-logical career choices. This was the right choice. Yeah. And what's so interesting is that he did it. It's right there in front of him where if he had wanted to, he's just the biggest star in the world. You mean, you can't. deny what you see on screen and last the Mohicans. The way he is able to communicate so much with just his eyes. He's a believable physical presence. You can believe him running through the forest and doing all that stuff because he actually trained his body to do it. And he learned how to use all these weapons and tools and walked around wearing a thong and like, you know, leather robes for however many months in the summer. And then he kind of, you know, whether you,

whether you want to say he recedes or not, he just chose to not work very often. And the choices that he does make, generally, he puts his body and his persona through such a huge transformation that he's not really recognizable from role to roll the way, I don't know, a DiCaprio even is in a lot of ways with a few exceptions. Like DiCaprio, you see him, you're like, oh, yeah, there's Leo. But DDL, like, really transforms who he is. Yeah, we always joke about one for them, one for us. He's only doing them for him for him. Day to Day, it was like, it's all for me, man. I don't care what you guys think.

Because you think of some of the movies in the 90s, him as Neil McCauley and Heath is really interesting. He's probably a little too young, but I still think it's a fun one. I think he easily could have been the Jeff Bridges part and blown away. I'm just thinking like mainstream big movies. Sure.

He could have been the Mel Gibson. My son's been kidnapped and ransom. There's big budget. Here's a great part for a lead star movies. And he just didn't want to. any of them. And this is really the only time he did it. He could have played the Jeremy Irons role in Die Hard 3, you know? Oh, yeah. You're right. Yeah, he could have been Lithgow's character and Cliffhanger. He just could have been the bad guy. She's got a paycheck. We're just two guys sitting

looking at one of the greatest acting careers of all time and be like, how come you weren't in Cliffhanger, man? Are you too good for Cliffhanger? But that's why it was one of the great careers, because he just never did it. He doesn't even have the one movie where you can look back and be like, Well, that one time when he was in the Gary Marshall comedy Valentine's Day, where he did three scenes for $10 million. Yeah. I mean, even a movie like nine, which I don't think many people particularly care for, and I frankly don't even really remember watching, was what I think seen as like a kind of mass market commercial play that just fell short. And he even was like, I'm doing this so that I learn how to sing and dance and do all this stuff. Like every movie he does, he seems to learn like four or five new trades.

So he does, after this, he does The Age of Innocence, in the name of the father, the crucible, the boxer, gangs of New York, ballot of Jack and Rose, there will be blood, nine, Lincoln,

fandom thread. It's, he's, there's never a die-heart three. It just doesn't happen. Leaving this movie, I thought he was going to be the biggest star in the world.

Yes. If you watch this movie, you're just like, everybody younger than Harrison, Ford should retire. You have no fucking shot against this guy. This was also the movie, and this is in the height,

as we've talked about many times in the 90s, this is Premier Magazine, New York Magazine, Goldman's Come, all this stuff where we're really finding out all this information about the movies that are coming and the process behind making them. And the stories about like, yeah, he really got into this.

It went to another level. of the actual facts with Daniel DeLewis leading up to this movie. Before the filming, he went into the wilderness where his character may have lived and he hunted and he fished and he lived off the land for several months prior to the filming because he wanted to get a feel for what that would be like. He trained with a U.S. Army colonel to develop his hand-to-hand combat skills and his shooting. And then on the set, he decided he really wanted to be a real frontiersman So he brought his rifle everywhere, even to like Christmas dinner and Thanksgiving and shit like that.

And then when they were between scenes and some of the actors and the crews, they're having SIGs, they're watching handheld TVs. They're listening to Walkman. He made it, it said, he made a point of avoiding modern technology. And he was a cigarette smoker and he rolled his own smokes because that's what you did in 1757. What a fucking lunatic. I mean, no wonder he's one of the great actors of all time. He's like, Dan, you want to Marlboro Red? No, I'm going to roll my own smokes.

My mind is in 1757. It takes him like probably 35 minutes to like get all the proper exact 1757 materials. Meanwhile, some guys just like crushing reds and drinking coffee and being like, you sure you know what just want it eats? He's like, can you hold my rifle? I have to roll a 1750 cigarette. And it was like a 12 pound rifle. Like everything he did was authentic.

And it, but do you think it comes across? Yes. Do you think you can tell? You can tell because in the first scene, which is a really good one, when they're just running and you don't know if they're running after they're in a fight or what's going on. And then they're just trying to kill an animal. What is it? A buffalo or a deer. Yeah, something like that.

And just the way he's kind of maneuvering through the jungle, it's so authentic. There are no cuts. There's no close-up shots with the wide shot of the stuntman. I think Michael Mann made everybody do their own things in this movie. I don't think there was any stunt work or anything. It's all authentic. Aside from a couple of obvious ones, I think that they tried to do as much stuff themselves as possible.

The authenticity of this movie really comes across. I mean, from DeLewis to the fact that he shot it in North Carolina because essentially he was like the actual Adirondacks area that it would have been set was like too built up. He wanted it to be more like the way the wilderness looked in this time period. to, I mean, just having like the quality of, like, West Studi and Russell Means on hand in those roles, it just makes the movie feel different than any other kind of like Hollywood action film. Going into the movie, were you more of a Mohican guy or more of a Huron guy?

Definitely Mohegan. Yeah. I like how they have like this whole like mole story. Like this is basically like Magua is like a spy working for the Mohawks and then he flips on him and goes back to the Hurons. Well, it also hits. Michael Mann also loves, as we discussed in two different heat podcasts, these movies where there's not really a right side, where even like the bank robbers, you're just rooting for them within an hour. In this movie, you have the French and the English, who we're just going to instinctively root against. We want to root for the Indians to protect the land, but Magua. Magua, yeah. He's the most despicable guy in the movie. And you know, you just, and you can kind of see everybody's point at all times, you know,

and Dana Day Lewis is the hero. But at the same time, like, he's more than willing to throw that other soldier under the bus to save Madeline Stowe. Well, that guy, that guy takes the L himself. Because he says, when he's asking him to translate it, I think that guy sees it as a moment that he can sort of save his own dignity after being such a rat earlier in the movie. It's a nice trope that they take advantage of.

The loser who loves the lead lady and there's just no chemistry at all and then he gets jealous of the hero. But then this guy actually falls in the sword, unlike Billy Zane and Titanic, who's more evil than Hitler in that movie. The worst human being who's ever been in a movie. This guy is at least like, yeah, I lost.

I'll just, you can set me on fire. That's fine. Do you... One of the things I always like is like man has talked about how the 19, I think 36 movie of Last The Mohicans has always been a movie that's like basically been in his head where he was like, I realized that when I was like a young kid, that movie made a huge impression on me. And I couldn't know that it was sort of rattling around my brain for all these years. And this was my kind of trying to unlock that. And I kind of love that

idea of a movie that just sticks with you. In a lot of ways, Last The Mohicans is that for me. So like 92, I would have been, I guess, like, 12 or 14, 15 years old or whatever. But like, do you have a movie from your childhood that, like, you feel like is just locked in there? Even though it maybe isn't like the most critically acclaimed one, I guess we talk about them a lot on this podcast. Yeah, although anything from the early 80s. I think the movies that you see when you're 12, 13, and 14 end up becoming the most influential movies for you. That's why I saw 48 hours the most and things like that. So, yeah, I'm with you.

Yeah. And then I think what he tried to do is basically make, in 1992, he tried to make like a David Lean Stanley Kubrick epic. And, you know, a couple years later, or like a few years later, obviously I think Ridley Scott does Gladiator. But even by that point, it had become kind of common to use special effects in these kinds of movies in a way that I don't feel like man used. What's the worst case scenario for the actor in this movie?

Like who could have completely fucked it up? Like Daniel Day Lewis can't do it. Yeah, Jan Michael Vincent. No, it's early 90s, right? So it's got to be Michael Mann's working with somebody who's famous. He's got to be about 30, 35. That's what Daniel Day Lewis was. So I feel like Val Kilmer could have been the lead.

And I think Mann would have liked him. And you're catching Val Kilmer about three years before he kind of loses his marbles. And I think he would have been pretty good. I agree with that. I'll go with that. But I think it's somebody in that age range. Can't be Hanks. I don't think Hanks was athletic enough. No. No. I mean, you actually believe that this is a kid who has been orphaned and then adopted by a Mohican tribe.

Like, actually, like, you don't blink when that's the storyline. And that's, like, always been, I mean, the James Benhamer-Cuper novel is obviously, like, a very treasured American text, but I don't think it's well-regarded as literature. And this movie kind of does a lot to, like, you know, really embellish the story or fill it out. I was thinking, Costa, no way he does it because he already did dance with those. Bruce Willis, too weird. Mel Gibson pretty much does it with Patriot. Yeah, and I don't know. I can't see him in this. It's really the perfect part and the perfect guy and the perfect match between two people makes $40 million dollar budget made $75.5 million. It was a big movie.

Yeah. And got completely annihilated at the 93 Oscars. This is a tough Oscars year because it's a real VIP. club. Disasters. So the best films, Unforgiven wins, the other four were Crying Game, scent of a woman, few good men, Howard's End. The more famous movie that got snubbed was Malcolm X. See, Malcolm X and Last the Mohicans sitting on the sidelines. I think if we redo that, I think both of those make it. And I think Crying Game gets knocked out. And I think Howard's End gets knocked out. Right. I think few good men, send of a woman, unforgivens.

still make it. Best actor. We were robbed of the most loaded best actor category of the last 30 years. Pacino wins for son of women. Robert Danny Jr. Chaplin. Eastwood Unforgiven. Denzel Malcolm X. And then it could have been Daniel DeLuis for Last of Mohicans. Instead, it was Stephen Ray for Crying Game. The Crying Game thing was weird. All I can tell you is I was there. I was in grad school at the time. This was a year where I saw every single movie, like literally all of them. And the crying game was kind of a thing. The secret was kept. It was a very good movie.

And I don't think it's age well for a lot of different reasons. And now is a complete non-factor. Yeah, but that was a real thing where it was like, I think people who ordinarily would never see a movie of that budget or, you know, because that was basically an art house thriller from the UK. And yet. Yeah, about the IRA. Yeah.

But the twist of that movie was so, like, we talked about with such a baited breath. It's like, you're not going to fucking believe what happens in the crying game. As I, you were just like, I guess I got to go see this movie. I got to find out what happens. That was one of my great moments was spoiling that movie for a couple of my Holy Cross friends. Because it was like, don't tell, don't tell people. And after like three drinks, that one I spoiled unusual suspects.

Those were my two big victories. You spoiled usual suspects? Yeah, I did it for Jacko. He was pissing me off. he had seen he yet. He's still mad about it. I would have told him right now he's furious. I'm like, yeah. Usually suspects, it's Kevin Spacey's like

oh, fucking A! What the fuck? So bad. But yeah, so we were robbed of one of the great best actor categories ever. Roger Ebert gave this movie three stars. Let me ask you this. If you could redo it, would you go Denzel or would you go Daniel Lee Lewis?

Denzo. Yeah, me too. I think it's really unfortunate that he didn't win. I think if we were correcting Oscar sins. That's way up there. The problem, though, is Pacino's unbelievable in Sen of a woman.

And I think that's got lost over the years because everybody feels bad that Denzel didn't win. So now you have to denigrate Pacino, but it's not fair. But there's so much fucked up like, you know, this is a make good and that Cent of a woman

was sort of a make good for all these missed Al Pacino nominations that it comes at the expense of other people who are deserving of the nominee. I hate that thing where it's like, oh, well, we'll get them on the backside of it. career. Well, I hope it happens for the rewatchable someday. Roger Hebert said, he said,

not as authentic and uncompromised as it claims to be, more of a metinade fantasy than it wants to admit, but it is probably more entertaining as a result. Open up your heart, Raj. Come on. Three stars. I thought Roger would have gone three and a half. Maybe Roger, like, didn't like his movie seat that day. I don't understand how you can watch this movie. So I think that it's worth saying, Well, we can get to this in the awards, actually. It's worth saying that this movie was immensely satisfying when it came out. Nobody walked out of the theater and it was like, fuck that. I think one of the reasons it was so great is just the last 35 minutes are just flying along.

And it's slow and there's other. And then when we get to that last kind of... When you get to the waterfall, it just is absolutely facelming. You're just like, oh, my God. Even before that, I think from the moment... Oh, well, when they get out of the fort. When they get out of the fort. But like, yeah, that last brick of time from when he says, I'll stay alive, I will find you to the end scene.

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ALE. Let's get to the categories. Most rewatchable scene. You know what I know we're doing good movie and the rewatchables when I have in my notes, the ambush scene. And then later, the second ambush. The second ambush. If there's two ambushes in one movie, we're in the right place. It seems like ambush was the go-to move in colonial America.

Well, it's like, well, we did the gladiator rewatchables, and it was like the third gladiator fight. Yeah, it was like, gladiator fight number four. It's like, we're probably doing the right movie. So anyway, first rewatchable scene, the first ambush. Yeah. This is about 20 minutes in the movie when Mwaga, who's Magua, yeah. Magua. Why do I keep saying Mwaga?

Magua. You're transposing the A and the U probably. Yeah, I'm sorry. It's my pronunciation of dyslexia. Magua, he's supposed to be leading. Yeah, he's supposed to be working for the Mohawks, yeah. He could tell something's up. He's muttering stuff in another language under his breath.

It's not going well. Then he does the thing where he walks to the back of the pack. It's like, where's he going? Boom. The ambush is on. There's a great, there's a little moment right there. that's an incredible couple of shots of Magua turning around and walking along the entire parade of British soldiers. And then the guy he Tomahawks, there's a quick shot. And he kind of like

looks at Magua like, hey, how's it going? Like, we haven't met. I'm Brad. And then Magua just crushes him. You're here on. Yeah. Yeah. You also have in that scene, you have a scalping. and it's like a subtle, really nice one. Yeah. And then you have a, one of the mill scalping. And then you have an incredible throne Tomahawk because what happens is our guy, Dana DeLewis,

aka Hawkeye, he comes in with his two dudes and they upend it. And the throne Tomahawk from Russell Means' character. What's his name in this movie? Uncas. Oh, no, it's Chingrich.

That was the son. Russell is Chingich, yeah. Chingich, Cook. Well, he has a throne Tomahog. He seems pretty great. Next one. There's a big argument when the English don't believe our guy, Daniel Day Lewis. Yeah.

And the guy who thinks he wants to marry Madeline Stowe. Duncan. She has no interest, Duncan. Duncan. And it's kind of getting heated. And Dana Day Lewis says, someday I think you and I are going to have a serious disagreement. Yeah. If English law can not be trusted, maybe these people are do better making their own peace with a French.

That is sedition. That is the truth. I'll have you beaten. from this fort. Someday, I think you and I are going to have a serious disagreement. Anyone fomenting or advocating the leaving of... Now, the best thing about this is, it got cut out of the first version of this movie. And man, because he's a maniac, there's three versions of this movie.

He's just been re-editing this movie for like 30 years. He was so bitter that they made him release this two-hour cut, that then when he did it again, he added two minutes. And then now there's this director's cut that he did within the last decade. And that's three minutes and he fixed some stuff and he re-added that line. I really like that scene. Next one for rewatchable, when Hawkeye, he pulls, he pulls Corr away and he makes his move. The first kiss.

Yeah, gets her out. And that's when you get this music, Chris Ryan. You get the slow, it hasn't really kicked in. It's just kind of low. It's like these two are going to get it on. Just keeps going, keeps going. the music is incredible. You know what they should do for us, Bill,

when quarantine's over? We should get to go to like a club in Vegas and get somebody to do like a trance remix of that song. And when like the beat drops on it, you and I are just like, yeah, Coral! It makes everything sound better.

I just might keep it in for the background the rest of this. Anytime we have a rewatchable set lulls, I'm just going to start playing this music to get us fired out. try this with your wife next time she gets angry at you is just play this music. She's like, why, God damn it? Why did, why didn't you go get this when I told you to go get it? I just like, done, da, dun da, done, da, she's like, the sink's a mess. I know it's a pandemic,

but weren't you cleaning up more? And I just look at her. And it's like, I'll clean up the sink when I'm good and ready. Right now, I'm watching basketball. It just came back. And she's just going to be like, something stirs me. The Blazers are four and O in the bubble. Just leave me alone. Let me enjoy this. All right. Next rewatchable scene.

The second ambush, this includes Magwa ripping the colonel's heart out. Yes. I think you get a tech for that. I think if you cut a guy's heart out and say you're going to wipe his seed from the earth, that's probably excessive trash talk in the modern NBA. Slight bummer that they don't actually show it. They do the...

You know that Michael Mann has that footage. She's saving that for the 50th anniversary when he's 140 years old. And he's, like, living as a brain in a hard drive somewhere. He's going to be like, here's the full heart-cutting scene. No question.

Well, and also the ease of which he does it, I can't imagine it's that easy to rip someone's heart out. We've seen it in a couple different movies. Well, I don't think he does a temple of doom style. I think he does some really good knife work there. Wow. And then,

Dana-Dewis saves Cora. Next rewatchable scene, the waterfall. You're strong. You survive. If the worst happens. You stay alive. They don't kill you. They'll take you north up to your island.

You submit you're here. You're strong. You survive. Stay alive, no matter what occurs. I will find you. No matter how long it takes, no matter how far. I will find you. It's great stuff.

If you're not caught up in that moment, you're a replicant. I don't even know what to tell you. The best part of that scene. Even Duncan in that scene, Duncan's like, ah, whatever, man, I can't, I can't compete with that. This guy's unbelievable. This guy makes his own cigarettes. I mean, what do you want for me?

They're looking at him, like NBA players look at Janus. Like, wow, the guy's a freak. I can't, I can't fuck with it. The other thing with that one is, I think that was in the trailer. because I remember in the summer of 92, they started throwing the trailer around. So we had the music. We had Daniel DeLewis running around holding a gun.

And then you had that stay alive. And it was just like, and how much, take my money. Yeah, right. How much the tickets cost? Can I buy this now? I have two more scenes.

This scene is called Magua presents the two women, to two white women of Satcham. It includes Hawkeye, a.k. Nathaniel, okay Daniel DeLewis, just waltzing in unarmed. Taking some licks, though. Took a couple licks, kept going. And then Satcham going, the white man came and night entered the future with them. Good quote.

And then a really important trade. Agent World Jurassic reports. Hawkeye trades Corr's life for the British guy's life and three unprotected first round. in 1857, 1859, 1861. Unprotected. There's also a pick swap in 1864. Duncan slipped in there and put some protections on the pick, basically. He did like the Chris Wallace.

I'm going to call you back when my owner's not in the room. And that's when he put himself on the block. He was like, would you be interested in me? Maybe instead of Cora? I think that would be my favorite scene if the ending wasn't the ending. Because I love when you have these movies. with the older Native Americans and there's always that Satcham type.

I love those guys. Those guys are always a home run. Well, I mean, and you just learn so much in such, like there's so many points in this movie where he gets across a ton of information about the state of affairs back then within this flow of the drama. So it happens before with all that stuff

about the, basically the settlers who are like, well, we'll fight for the militia if we have to, but we have to be able to go back and defend our home. if there's a war party that, or, you know, if there's a war party that comes along and attacks our homestead. And all of that stuff is communicated about, that's basically the sort of early days of like an American revolutionary spirit of them feeling like we have to serve the crown, but the crown doesn't serve us at all. Right. Last one. I mean, the whole, the whole cliff thing.

Uncas tries to save the sister. Loses. I think, I felt like it was, at least an even matchup, him and Magua. Magua just takes them out. Yeah. It's not even close. Magua just, it's a 25, he brings in his bench for the final killing. Magua didn't play the fourth quarter.

Lago sat the fourth quarter, he played 31 minutes. There's a great slow motion, ah, from his dad running and seeing it. Classic Michael Mann. Guys turn in the corners, no! Yeah.

And the union of the music, with the images that you're seeing is so overwhelming. This is up there with the bank robbery from heat for me in terms of like set pieces that man's executed. I don't think it's better or like I'm not trying to be sacrilegious, but I watched this like five times

last night over and over again. It was just it's unbelievable. It's got indelible images that when you watch it, you can kind of seem in your head already like the girl, the younger sister. Yeah. It was a little iffy in this movie, but Uncass is already.

gone off the cliff. And she kind of looks at Magua. And he's like, come on, let's go. Yeah, trains leaving the station. I'm happy to make you my wife. And she's just like, I'm actually going to jump off the cliff and join this other guy. Just as Cora is rounding the corner. Yeah.

And she cut the whole thing and her look on her face. And then like his confusion. And then he's like, all right, let's move on. He mourns her for about a second. Yeah. And it's just like that, you know, the early images of her are her and Cora. trying to sort of basically domesticate this wilderness and put like their like British tea set up in the meadow and like be like we're going to bring the sensibility of like urban

London to the American frontier. And then by the end of the movie, she's just kind of like literally giving herself over to to the wild. Yeah. And the wrong hands, they would have had the two scenes where they're having trouble in the wilderness because they're too prissy to be out there. But they never do that. They're just, these girls are game, right? right away. Yeah, Cora becomes a nurse and everything. Yeah. What was your crush level on Madeline Stowe as a teenager?

I would say that when I saw her in this movie, she's in revenge, right? Yeah. Yeah. So pretty high at revenge levels. Steakout was when it really kicked off for her. She's pretty great. She's pretty great. She had a really, really, really nice six-year run there.

Yeah. And then I think in this, she's almost, it's almost like she's almost incomprehensibly beautiful. in this movie, as is Daniel D. Lewis. Like, they're just, like, kind of aliens. She goes, stakeout in 87. Revenge is 1990. The two Jakes.

Sad one. Should have worked. When are we going to do, Chinatown? Oh, man. That's got some what's aged the worst. Unlawful entry in 92. Underrated from hell movie. Last Mohicans, 92.

another stakeout 93 Shortcuts 93 Right China Moon and bad girls in 94 12 monkeys in 95 and then playing by heart

in 98 which I think is a good movie I'm gonna defend playing by heart Okay It's that early Angelina Joe Lee got a little John Stewart

in there is John Stewart and playing by heart? Yeah playing by heart Good movie I will I will defend that one So in that last scene

And you also have DDL and the dad just cleanhouse and take out everybody culminating in the dad, just taken out Magua. And one of the coolest shots I think of that I've ever seen in the movie theater in my life is that wide shot of Magua and Chinggichuk looking at each other on the rock before he takes out, takes him out with the final swing. Oh, it wasn't just the final swing. It's the 360. Yeah.

Yeah. He 360 Tomahawk dunks on him. knocks him out. That's it. Doesn't even push them off the cliff. No. No. No. So that's my pick for most rewatchable. I don't know about you. I'm going to go with that as well. I would just like to throw an honorable mention in for the scene where DDL runs coverage for the courier from the fort wall. Courier. Worst job in colonial America? Not a lot of upside.

So it's the postmates of 1757. Not a ton of job security. You basically are charged. with running great distances at incredible speeds through like terrifying landscape and you basically are counting on someone making a one in one thousand shot from a really long way away and if Daniel Day Lewis doesn't put enough gunpowder

in his rifle you're like well that's it for me pretty rough and that is the entire like communication system of the land at that point because so much of this movie hinges on courier's not arriving in time would you put it above or below being a Postmates driver during the pandemic.

I think I'd rather be a postmates driver. I think I would too. Yeah. Hey, if you're dealing with acne, redness, dark spots, or wrinkles, finding treatment that works can be complicated. You need skincare that actually performs, but getting started can be overwhelming. Thankfully, there's a solution. Roman makes it convenient to get customized subscription skincare that really performs.

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I'm trying to make this easy for Craig Horrell back today on a Friday. I know the PGA's on. It's just like one swoop, one straight editing. No Robert May's shenanigans where I'm just restarting a few times. None of that stuff. We're just doing one straight shoot. Could have done this live. What's age the best?

The music. The music. Should we just stop there? I have a bunch of things, but you can make the argument that it's the music. It's the music, it's the music, and then it's the music. Yes. The DDL, you could say, I would say West Dudi and his performance as Magua, his age the best, too. The romance is really incredible.

I also want to send a shout out to 1750s cultural stereotyping between British and French people. I love their Latin it volumptuousness combines with their Gallic laziness. And the results is they'd rather eat and make love with their faces than fight. English and French people going after it is really great. I really could watch a whole like 50 episode series of just them wiping each other out for about three years there. It was great. I don't know who we were supposed to root for.

I have a couple more with Sage the Best. Chingajuk and his son, Unkis. One of my favorite dad's son combos. It reminds me a lot of me and my dad. Awesome. I felt like if there was a Red Sox game to watch in 1757, they probably would have been just hanging out in front of the TV talking about 1757 Muki bets.

Yeah, that's right. Very close. Close father and soccer. La Crosse was big back then. So they would have been, yeah, lax bros. That was another what's aged best for me in the lacrosse or the field hockey, whatever sport that was. I was like, I could watch another five minutes of this.

Can we bet on this? Round Robin tournament? I do you're going to throw a couple of King George's shillings on the Mohicans. Short-sighted games, maybe? Just quick ones, two-minute games? The exchange, how can you go to Kentucky in the middle of a war? And D.D.L goes, you face north, turn left, and walk. It's west of here. Just great. Really good dialogue in this movie. Good underrated sarcasm.

Magua, I just have for what stage the best. A couple things with him. I love when he's muttering under his breath to the English guy before they realize he's going to turn on him. And he goes, Magua understands that the white man is a dog to his woman. When they are tired, he puts down his tomahawk to feed their lazy. It was like kind of early Maga almost. I like when he goes, when the gray hair is dead, Magwell was eat his heart before he dies. Magwell put his children under his knife so the gray hair will know his seat is wiped out forever.

And then that leads me to what I really love the most. Magua's used to the third person, which I think, oh yeah. If we're like, who created the third person? I think it's back. Did Magua had been talking about yourself in press conferences in the third person? third person. No question. It's like him, Iverson, a couple other words. Is it Magua or Magua? It's Magua. And when he is in, when he's talking to Sashem, when he's talking to Sashem, he

essentially demands a trade. He's like, oh, fuck this. I'm going to the Hurons of the Western Lakes. I'm not, I don't feel, I don't feel appreciated in his locker room anymore. He was in the fort bubble trying to convince other people jump tribes of them. They needed a new big three. He's like, I think I have swinging hook and I think I have the other guy. Yeah, he, he's phenomenal. And if anything, West Dutie is too good as Magua because I couldn't shake Magua from every other time I saw him in a movie for about eight years. Like when he's in heat, I just kept part of me is expecting him to just turn on Al Pacino.

Oh, yeah. It's just such a, such an intense performance. He's so good. he stands out, you know, and you need, like, Jeremy Johnson had a guy like that. You really need, like, if it's, if we're going to have the villain, you really need that guy. You need to feel like that dude's evil. But you said this earlier in the pod. The genius of the characterization of Magua in this movie is that it's, it's not 100% a villain.

It's not like a super villain. He's not the Joker. He's a guy who is dead set on revenge. And there's a version of this movie that you can tell from Magua's perspective where he's like, I'm basically out for justice. Do you think in 2020 is like the player-friendly NBA, if we had the media in 1757, there would have been a lot of Magua defenders? You got to understand where he's coming from.

I know he Tomahawked those 27 English soldiers, but you got to understand. He gave a great interview a week ago. I love his third person. He kills me to know him. And just in general. Seems like a badass. Really does seem like he could wipe out 20 dudes at the same time.

What's age the worst? There's a lot of info to take in in the first hour of this movie. Yes. It's a movie you have to see like 15 times. Yeah. And the way that they did the dialogue is there is never, I think Duncan's arrival is supposed to be the, let's reset and talk about everything.

Like when Duncan is bringing Cora and Alice everywhere, I think you're supposed to get all the information in those scenes. but they do those scenes in such a way where like it kind of sounds like the way people were probably talking back then and they don't really make a lot of concessions to like, wait, what's happening? I think you're just supposed to get

the general broad strokes. Well, I'll tell you, I've seen this movie a bunch of times and I'm still confused by some stuff. Okay. It's a movie that I hate narrators. It's a movie that arguably could have used a narrator

to help move a couple of things. Are you thinking like you want Henry Hill to narrate, blast the Mohicans? You want Leota? there. Yeah, or the ghost of Magua. Even Magua's going to tell you a story. What if it was like Magua hits that guy with the tomahawk, freeze frame?

It's like the thing about Magua was he was really a nice guy. You just had to get to know him. Magua was just a competitor. He just wanted to win. Rolling Stone song starts. The, uh, another one's age the worst for me. It's definitely in the first hour could speed up a tiny bit. You could get moving.

You could move some pieces and get the information the way you need to get it to. I know he's trying to set up the last half hour, but, you know. I think they also have to set up the slow burn

of Hawkeye and Kora. So you have to give them a little bit of time spent so it's not just, I see you from across the fort and it's absolute, it's time to go. But that being said,

the music could take care of a lot of that. I think you probably could have lost a few minutes from that and then just been like, here, hit play on that. We're in love now. And this is a Michael Man device where the music and two, you know, a male and a female character who had the Hots for each other just longingly looking at each other was just a Michael Man playbook.

But this is absolutely the best, my favorite relationship in any Michael Man movie. I mean, they barely talk. Did they have one real conversation, the entire movie? I'm sorry the chicken is over-cooked, Cora. I'm sorry of the venison. It's dry. This hero is not watching my TV. I'm out here looking for pelts.

I'm trading furs for you. Corr's like, we're two ships passing the night. He's like, it's 1757. What the fuck do you want for me? She's trying to stay alive. There's people coming out of the sides trying to get us. And no Duncan cannot watch my television. Another one's aged the worst.

I wanted more from the little sister, both as an actress, a performer. I don't know. I think she's perfect. She's shell-shocked, man. She is completely shell-shocked in this movie. So how does she fall in love then? She doesn't speak.

Well, I think it's more... There was an interesting thing about whether or not there had ever been like a love scene between Uncuss and Alice or whether or not, like they had more of a relationship that wasn't included in the movie. But I think generally it's taken to be that

it's more of like a puppy love. Like it's more of a like, we kind of are just two crazy kids trying to figure it out. We feel this thing. I feel protective of you, but that they're pretty young. I could have used a two-minute scene with them to set it up. If it comes out of nowhere, you could tell us something got it added along the way. I don't really have any other what's age the worst.

I think this movie's really good. Casting What Ifs. Brian Cox was offered the part of Colonel Monroe. Turned it down. Andy McDowell was in the mix for Coram Monroe, which is interesting because there's a very fascinating market correction thing going on between her and Madeline Stowe. Because you could have easily flipped them in every movie basically. Like, Madeline Stowe could have been in Groundhog Day in two seconds.

Yes. Yes. Andy McDowell could have been in stakeout. Like, they just, whatever. It's like Madeline Stowe easily could have been in sex lies and videotape. Yeah. So I think if I had to say who won that battle between the two of them, I think Madeline Stowe wins. Like just all-time career?

just that that nine-year stretch when they're probably the finalists for about 10 different movies. I think Madeline Stowe wins it. I don't think Andy McDowell could have been the lead of bad girls. No, but could Madeline Stowe have been the star of four weddings and a funeral?

Yeah. I think she's a little bit empowering. Okay. Wish fantasy was here. He would agree with him. Jean Reno has offered the role of general Montcom. That would have been weird.

I think it was one of the French guys. That's all I got for casting. No, he's the general, man. Man went into this movie. He knew exactly what we want to do. Best that guy, aka the Joey Pants Award. He's only in like one or two scenes,

but that guy from Oz, Terry Kinney. Terry Kinney plays John Cameron, right? Or whatever the guy's name is settler. Yeah, he's in one scene. So for you, can I give Joey Pants to Pete Possible? No, because I think he's Pete Possilweight. Okay, but I just want to be able to do this one thing. I want him to go up to Cora and Alice and be like,

I gave your mother a little taste. She loved it. Your daddy worked for me. Vincent Hanna, give me all you got a word, most overacting. Colonel Monroe dials it up a couple of times. I'm going on calm on this one.

Just for the bow that he does, the little curtsied it to him. Yeah. I'll give it to you. Dan Waiter's Award for Best Heat Check. I think Magua is ineligible. I think he's in too much in the movie. Okay.

I really like the five minutes Sacham gives us in this movie. I like his demeanor. I like everything he says. I like his line about the white men and the darkness. I like how he brokers the trade. I think he leaking it to Wojurowski was the right move. And then how he listens to DDL, switches it a little bit, kind of understands Magwa's not exactly somebody he should be helping out. I just liked his

performance. Actor named Mike Phillips played that role. Yeah, there you go. Recasting couch. So you're happy with the actress who played the little sister who is really never seen again. Yeah, well, who's your idea? Zuma Thurman too old for that part. 1992 woman Thurman. It's two years after dangerous liaisons. It's probably like at the very edge of how old she could be. And Alicia Silverstone's too young. No, she's, I don't buy it. She's got to be British, not, she's not American. Can I give you Drew Barrymore?

Nope. No. Drew Barrymore, go away. You don't want anybody who's famous. You just want kind of a shell shock. Yeah, that's what the role is. It's like she's this young girl who's been like ripped out of the life she knew and is in this completely wild place. She's not going to be like Alicia Silverstone being like, oh my God.

All right. I didn't have any recast. Oh my God, Uncas. Have fast internet research. Got a lot of Michael Mann stuff. There's a famous story about, you know, he's doing at least 20 takes per setup. The budget went seven million beyond what it was supposed to go. 20th century Fox had to send a rep to keep it on track.

And he had speakers that he would belt out stuff. And there's this famous story where he starts screaming at one point, what's that orange light? turned out that orange light and somebody was like, that's the sun because the sun was coming out. Who knows that that's true? They went to North Carolina to do the 1757 World New York stuff. You mentioned that earlier. He spent $6 million just to build the Fort William Henry set. Yeah. So it had to the historical specifications. He decided he didn't like the waterfall scene and reshot it nine days before Revere saw the movie. So they went back in and I think the stay alive, I will find you.

It was a reshoot. He got that on the reshoot. Yeah. According to a 1996 interview by Randy Edelman, the new guy who did the score. Yeah. Came on because Michael Mann fired Trevor Jones. Because Trevor Jones had been doing kind of like more of an electronic score and so he brought in Edelman to do more of a classical thing. Tough, tough one for Trevor Jones.

I mean, he still gets credit on the piece of music that you play for your wife when you don't clean the sink. True. But at the same time. You don't want to get replaced. At the same time, deep down, he knows this wasn't his. That this is somebody else's music. What was the guy's name? Trevor Jones.

Trevor Jones and Randy Edelman did the music. Michael Mann's like, Trevor, can I speak to you for a second? then he just stares at him for 10 seconds, puts on the music, and it's like, you've been replaced. That's it. Okay. More half-ass internet research.

Costumes, that guy also got bounced. It was originally a multiple Academy Award winner named Jay Matcheson, but he left the film and had his name removed because of artistic differences with Michael Mann, designer Elsa Zampelli was brought into finish. So he was a delight to work with, except for the two or three people in every movie that Michael Mann ever made

that always ended up walking off the set. The movie was scheduled for summer 92, but he made a three-hour version. Fox freaked out. They postponed until September. They got it to two hours. As we said earlier, there were three different cuts. One good thing he did,

he used 900 Native Americans from all of the United States employed for most notably the Cherokee tribes. And, oh, Russell Means. We mentioned him. He was 52. This is his first movie. He was a famous American Indian movie activist.

You know what happened to him in 1984? What? He ran for vice president as hustler publishers Larry Flint's running mate. I didn't know that. Yeah, it was a Flint Means ticket. Somehow didn't win. Honestly, we'd take it today. And then in 88, he pursued the libertarian nomination and lost to Ron Paul.

And then this is, I don't know what to make of this, but this is half-assed. Apparently, D.D.L. and Stowe love to prank each other, had a practical joke war on the set. Started with food fights and escalated to a bloody car crash, faked by DeLewis and his chauffeur

for Stowe to stumble upon. I don't know if I believe this. I don't know if I believe it either. He's rolling cigarettes from the 1700s, but faking car crashes? So, yeah, it's like he's carving out a canoe. He's living like Daniel Boone, and then he's like,

oh, I got to call up Barry so that we can do this crazy prank on Stowe. That would be great. I don't think that happened. I'm going to say that didn't happen. One more break, talk about Blue Apron. Chris, you cook it at home more than ever? Ever, more than ever.

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So it seemed like after that, maybe he would do any number of things. After there will be blood, the ceiling was off for him. I felt like whatever he wanted to do, I was in. Michael Mann, I would say no. I think it's he. Yeah. West Studi, unfortunately, yes. Yeah.

He's great in this movie. and still I'm going to say yes. I don't see why not. Yeah. Jody May, I'm going to say yes, because I don't know what happened to her after this movie. Sure. Yeah.

Full, full scale tomahawk throws. I mean, name a better one. Can't think of one. Everybody, everybody was getting tomahawks after this movie. They were like, I got to get my own. Talking about yourself

in the third person? Probably no, but I just wanted to flag it. falling off a giant cliff into a waterfall or whatever the hell happened. When he jumps onto the waterfall or when Alice when Alice follows on- When DDL jumps into the waterfall, I'm going to say this was Apex Mountain

because the next year is the fugitive. That's right. That's right. Andrew Davis saw that. It was like, I got to revise this. So somewhere in this 92-93 range, we peaked with waterfall jumping. Does Daniel Day Lewis invent water parks

in Las the Mohicans? He's just like, you know what's fun? Riding this. You might have. I don't have any of the apex mountain, do you? No, I mean, I think it probably is Apex Mountain for Colonial Frontiers movies. Colonial Frontier movies.

I can't think of a better film that tackles this era. It might be the best Revolutionary War era movie if you call it that. You could say it might be the Apex Mountain for action movies using that kind of MTV type of style with some with the music crossed with just a lot of action. I'll be curious to see whether or not I, because you've said that a couple of times.

I think of it as more classical than that. Like I do think of it as, yeah, he's definitely doing the closing montage trick a little bit with the amazing music over action. But I feel like it's a pretty traditionalist movie. So I'd be curious to see whether people agree on that. But yeah, I think that it's the, it's the lot. conclusion of that style that he starts with Miami Vice. It certainly feels like an incredibly more modern movie than Jeremiah Johnson.

I guess is my point. That's true. And a movie that could come out now and feel pretty unchanged. Yeah. I don't think they would change a lot. Picking Nits, I don't have a lot other than I just didn't understand when the little sister fell for our guy, Uncas. You didn't feel like they pulled that in a lot?

All the sudden, they were into each other. And I'd missed the scene where they went and got ice cream. Yeah. Or went to go take a dump in the woods together or whatever, whatever brought them together. We just didn't know. I just, I feel like with the, I want to get back to the couriers here for picking this. Do we not have any like safeguards? You don't have like a fallback guy who's also going?

I mean, I know that they said like one of them since like three people and they all get caught. But it just seems like you're really hanging by a thread during a time of war if you're basing everything off of a guy getting across a forest with a parchment paper. So Chris Ryan in the 1750s is putting in like a triple courier backup system. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. You're not just leaving it up to the one dude. I'm also trying to train some birds of the forest to carry these things because it's like, I don't know if my guys are going to be able to make the, the sprints. Another picket nits is just the whole, when she has tea with that dude.

When he's like, hey, I think with Duncan, when I think, I think you and I, we could end up together. They're just on this giant field. There's a table and tea and they're a million miles away from anybody. It's like, did they have, is this some restaurant in 1757? Was there a staff that did this? Like, what is this? There's that line where it's like England's policies make the world England. It's basically this idea that you can recreate your home anywhere you go because, and that's like their imperialist bent. Another picking nits for me, and this isn't even the movie just with that whole era, The guys with the wigs on, like what would your wig strategy have been back then?

Would you have tried to go age-appropriate or gotten a little more ambitious? Just, you know, what would you have done? Like, so would I, Colonel Monroe goes gray hair for the wig, which I guess is age-appropriate, right? Would you have gone with the little curls around, like, above the shoulders, or would you have gone longer? Like, what would the link to have been for you?

I would have gone Nick Cage, Conair. That's what I think. I would have gotten more mullet, right? Yeah. Well, I even have those, though. It was such a weird time back then. Any other picket knits? No, that was it. Two quotes that we have mentioned yet. Death and honor are thought to be the same. But today I learned sometimes they are not. I thought that was a good one. And then I would rather make the gravest of mistakes than surrender my own judgment. You have complimented me with your persistence and patience. But the decision I have come to is that I'd rather make the gravest of mistakes and mistakes. to surrender my own judgment. Sadly, Billy King said that right before

Jamie Miller in 2012. We did someday, you and I are going to have a serious disagreement. We did stay alive. I will find you. Yeah, that's the best code. Stay alive. You're going to Kentucky, go face south, turn left, yeah. Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show?

I think it could be. I think it'd be really expensive if you're going to do it correctly. They'd be one of the most expensive 10-episode shows ever. I think it would have solved some of the stuff you're talking about. in terms of the confusion over the sort of political social context in the beginning of the movie and Alice and Uncas's relationship. But I think it is, it does kind of work as this. And also, as we know, Michael Mann would just tinker with it all the time, so probably never get done. We would have gotten more of a backstory with Magua. Yeah. Like he recorded his own music.

It's big. He coached the youth lacrosse team. It's a whole other side to him. He just didn't see it in this movie. Probably in answerable questions. I don't really have any. I don't really have any. don't have a lot of unanswered questions about the 1750s other than I still don't know who we were supposed to be rooting for between the English and the French. I mean, it's a complicated. Is that Yankees Red Sox? What was that? I think it's probably more complicated that we have time to handle right now, but I'm also not an expert on like how the French Indian War. So I'm not really sure. I mean, like, I guess it all worked out in the end. Who won the movie? Daniel Deelis. No Michael Mann?

It's a great Michael Man movie, but this is among my favorite Daniel D. Louis performances. This is, and he is, he is like

rock star celebrity fucking A-list, you know, up there with like, he just becomes like an absolute household name off of this movie. And he chose to go

in a different direction, which I think is fascinating. Daniel D. DeLuess says Neil McCauley. I love it, man. Are you so interested in what I do for a living lady? Could you imagine, though, like, if he did that role and he, like, has to spend five years learning about medals.

And bank and bank robbing banks. It's like Dana-D-Day Lewis is now an expert safe, safe breaker. A three-year stint in San Quentin just to get used to it. Yeah. Right. Dana-D. Davis was murder today in San Quentin when he was preparing for a role and they didn't realize he was an actor. Yeah, that way, he definitely would have gone over the top of that.

Last Mohicans, a classic. How many man movies have we done now? So we've done collateral heat twice, last the Mohicans. And we did the insider for a rewatchable's 99. So we still have to do Manhunter. Yeah. Would you, we got, I would like to do Ali actually. Black Hat.

Yeah. Public enemies. I don't think public enemies is going to crack the list. Okay. You, you, that's where your Michael Man fandom goes too far. Oh, and we did Miami Vice as well, obviously. And we did Miami Vice. So does he have the director,

lead for us right now? We've done five Michael Man movies plus the same movie twice. Have we, how many Finchers have we done? We did social network. We haven't done enough. Oh, we haven't done. We haven't done seven yet. Yeah, that's right. We haven't done the game, which Netflix Unsolved Mysteries is

totally reinvented. We've done a bunch of Tony Scots. That's true. We've done a lot of Tony Scott. And last boy, Scott's coming too at some point soon. All right, Chris, I want you to know one thing. I want you to stay alive this weekend, no matter You should clean your sink, Bill.

Play the music. Play us out. Play us out. We're taping this on a Friday. I want you to stay alive this weekend. Hold on. Uh-oh. This is what I'm going to think about

when I'm reading blogs this weekend. Ben Simmons's partial kneecap. He might be back in a month. I need Shake Milton to come through for me. Is this what it was like? you heard the Ben Simmons news? That's right. I like to make up little songs

about the Sixers roster. Why isn't Zeyer Smith back? All right. We'll have one more rewatchables for you coming on Wednesday. Doing two weeks for the rest of this month. Thanks for listening. Chris,

always a pleasure. See you, Bill.