The Rewatchables - ‘The Legend of Billie Jean’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: September 9, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan shave their heads and go on the lam after revisiting the 1985 “one-for-us” hall-of-famer ‘The Legend of Billie Jean,’ starring Helen Slater, Christian Slater, and Keith Gordon. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Ronak Nai, and Chia Hao Tat This episode is sponsored by State Farm®️. A State Farm agent can help you choose the coverage you need. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.®️ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The rewatchable is brought to by the Ringer Podcast Network. You can find the watch. You sure can, man. Yeah. We did 400 movies for the rewatchables. Our 400th was American gangster last week. It's football season. It's the Monday of week one.

All anyone cares about is football. And Steve Bomber's illegal pay cycles, possibly. My Green Bank that's going bankrupt. How are your, has your aspiration stock? Is it bad? You know what? I think they're saying fair's fair, but who knows? Well, we decided there is no better chance for a one for us than this week.

And it's a 2B classic. It's gotten the point when I go on 2B. and by the way, this is not sponsored by 2B in fact, I don't think 2B even likes us. Why not? I don't know. They've never really... Because you tried to change their slogan

to go, to be. Right. Every time I go there, they're like, hey, Legend of Billy Jean. Yeah. You haven't clicked on this in a while. And I've watched it probably 700 times when I was a teenager and in college,

and now we're finally doing it. Legend of Billy Jean, because fair is fair. Here we go. All right, CR. Just here's my first take. Just take me back. Just take me back to the mid-80s when life was simple.

Yeah. We just had malls. And we could just have people get innocently shot in the shoulder and become heroes and then just get away Scott Free. And I just miss it. It's like one of the most nostalgic movie-going experiences I can have right now is to watch this. There's a run of movies from 84 to 86. Yeah. That is essentially last starfighter, maximum overdrive.

the explorers, Big Trouble in Little China, RAD, and the legend of Billy Jean that I think I had on constantly from 1985, whenever we first got a VHS player,

through when Cable got introduced at my house, which I think was in mid-late 80s. These movies were just the wallpaper. They were on all the time. The soundtracks are buried into their brainworms in my head. And I remember every single scene

and every single nuance. and they still hit now. And it's like they're not American cinematic classics, but they are like my VHS classics. Yeah, there's like, I would have thrown in 40 to 45 other movies other than the ones you listed just because I was watching like Karate Kid, Teen Wolf,

all those. They all had music, they all had a hero, they're all kind of innocent. There was all like these over-the-top villains. They all had a lot of flaws, which was fine. Sure. This movie has some flaws. I was surprised, the nipicks.

I was like, I never picked Nitz with Legitibili Jean like this before? You guys just let vigilante justice run amok? Yeah. And the most important thing, other than the theme that we're going to talk about in a second, was just in love with Helen Slater. Yeah. I was in high school. She was 22 when she filmed this movie playing a 16-year-old,

but she was just like, I'm in. I'll follow this person to the end of the sun. And she was in Supergirl, right? Supergirl, and then this one and was in a couple other ones. She's in there. Christian Slater. We had no history with him yet. He's the little brother.

Film debut. Peter Coyote had been bouncing around in the 80s for a while. And it was a movie that kind of came and went. I think it was 14th when it was released the first week. Yeah. And then it was on cable for the next 15 years straight. Yeah. It was perfect length for a TNT, TBS, where you could just do two hours.

It was on HBO. I was on Cinemax. It just was never not on. What is it? An hour 35? Yeah. R35? Yeah.

Yeah, we told Craig, he told him, Craig, congrats on your new camera angle, by the way. Thank you. Yeah. We told Craig

1985 Legit of Billy Jean, don't read anything about it and he looked it up. What was it, 101 minutes? It's 100, it's an hour 35,

95 minutes, 97. Yeah. He was like, I like that. I thought it was going to be about tennis. It wasn't.

It wasn't. It doesn't even Billy Jean King or something. Yeah. But, what's interesting 40 years later, watch, I mean, there's two major themes that we hadn't talked about in the 80s,

but there's a female empowerment hero piece to this that I think I liked when I watched it, but as the years pass, dare I say ahead of its time? It's like this, it's Sarah Connor. It's even Joyce Heiser and just one of the guys, like flipping tables and trying to show her newspaper editor that she could get a good,

story, but there wasn't a lot of these. And this was probably the most famous one. Yeah, it's funny to go back and watch this through 2025 eyes, both for the feminism angle and also, like, the viral celebrity angle. And like the idea of somebody becoming like an overnight sensation and taking over now in 1980s, it was more of like a local thing that would then explode nationally. Yeah. Now it can just be instantaneously. You go viral for something. And then like you're the biggest thing online for two days and then everybody forgets you. But with the part about like the female empowerment

it's wild but like there's so much casual misogyny in this movie. The whole thing basically gets rolling because Mr. Paiott tries to like sexually assault her and then flip it on her. Yeah. And that's really what and now the whole time she's just like I just want to get paid back

for the scooter. We're not getting even getting into you being a deviant. Yeah. Because that was probably taken for granted that that's what guys were like back then in some ways. Yeah. There's no question. She's navigating this misogynist pretty like hairy world. Yeah. But she's just like, this is the world I'm in

and I just know, kind of know what I can read this guy, I know what to do. Knee him in the balls. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But now it would be like, you know, this would obviously be a completely different movie. Yeah. It's weird to think that these characters made sense in 1985, but they kind of did. It's like, Mr. Pry, totally get it. Complete scumback.

Taking a crack at a 16-year-old in the attic. of a store. Yeah. And we were like, wow, this is horrifying. Like, this guy's Hannibal Lecter. But back then, I was like, oh, there's multiple cases of pretty casual child abuse in this movie where you're just like, oh, man, Potter's getting tooled up by her mom again. Right.

That's not like, hey, stop everything called child services. It's like, oh, yeah. Yeah, even the way the adults talk about her, that basically Peter Coyote's character, the police officer, and then, and then Mr. Paiott, where they're like, you're a good-looking girl, Billy Jean. Yeah. She's 16. Yeah.

And they're just, they're just like batting off. Craig, were you taking it back by that? Not for the 80s, right? Yeah. Yeah. I'm used it at this point. Yeah, that's true. We haven't doctored in the flames of the 80s.

That's right. For the last five years, 19, 1980s movies, yeah. I think one of the things I really loved about this movie and still really enjoy what I, when I had such a great time rewatching this. It's not like I hadn't seen it in the last, I don't know, five years, but she's such a good character. It's so weird to say this is a well-reaching. drunk character because this is such a dumb movie.

But at the first half hour, she's like really innocent and shy and she's like, obviously like coming into her own as a woman and guys are looking at a certain way and she's still getting used to that. Even when the four guys are hitting on her at the beginning. Oh, and Hughby's like

licking her milkshake straw? Yeah. She's like, I'm kind of flirting, but I'm kind of horrified. And then by the end she's the fucking badass. Oh, yeah. All this stuff had like had like seasoned her in a for how to actually make the world work in her favor. And I do think at that time, like, there was like, you know, obviously Pat Benatar

was a pretty big artist, but like gets a huge hit out of this movie with Invincible. But like Pat Benatar, Madonna, like, there were kind of like these pop culture figures that weren't as traditionally, not necessarily not beautiful or not, but like they didn't present as traditional. Yeah, they were kind of badass. Yeah, they were badass. They had like one glove. and I've spiked haircut or whatever.

And it was like things were changing a little bit. I think that you could see that like people were becoming a little bit more self-possessed through the images that they were seeing in media. Cindy Lopper helped. Of course. Pat Benatar. Yeah. Yeah, Madonna.

And it was also right around the time when they were figuring out how to use famous pop music people, famous artists, whatever, to kind of to kind of supercharge a movie. Sure. Right? And then Top Gun, they really put it all together. but 85 of a vision quest which they put Madonna in with the crazy for you in that great soundtrack.

This was like, it's basically the stars of the movie are Helen Slater and Pat Benatar. They play the song three full times in 95 minutes. Yeah. And even... By the way, I could have gone for four.

It's used as like a theme in the score itself. Like, they'll go into notes from Invincible. Yeah. That, like, it's just a very, like, wise way to kind of build it up. And, but that kind of speaks to this movie being right on the cusp of a change in media where, I mean, of course,

like people used to, Barbara Streisand would do the soundtrack for a movie that she might be in and she would sing the theme song or whatever. But this was really like, hey, we can put this on MTV, we can try and sell this girl as an icon, Pat Benatar. It was a sea change for that stuff. It was like I was telling Craig the other day. This bloody road remains of mystery. That's what they say.

What are we waiting for? That's Aaron Rogers' locker room speech. It's when he came out holding the flag in that first judge came. That song is a banger. I have a lot of thoughts about the music in this movie. So you mentioned the viral celebrity piece. Yeah.

Once upon a time, we made the case, and I think we cemented it, and I think it's become fact and gospel that pump up the volume created podcast. Yes. I think this movie created the internet. Can I just say, I think that might be the most used trope on this podcast, in the history of this podcast.

I think Sean has said that three or four times, right? The created the internet? Yeah. We'll be like, Daniel Plainview, created the internet. This whole, her becoming a viral celebrity with the fair as fair hashtag and the thing and the merchandising. And it's just like, I don't think the movie realizes this because this is not, I wouldn't say this was, you know, this wasn't a Paul Thomas Anderson production.

But this movie does see this world coming. It does. That is about to happen with Donna Rice and, you know, Monica Lewinsky eventually and But there's also a couple of- Jamie Faye Baker, all of these people. It points out a couple of things that I think are really important. One are, first of all, we've kind of, like, slighted this movie a couple of times, and I do think it's really silly in places.

It looks way better than it has any business looking. Did we slighted? I think it should have. been nominated for an Oscar. What do you mean? This movie's amazing. If we slide it in it, I apologize. You know, you are

finding a generation of kids who are fucking obsessed with television. Like, it's Yarlie Smith's character. They're like, she's just obsessed with what she sees in TV. She's always like, I saw it on TV. You think I'll be on TV? And then the other thing happens later in the movie, which is kids are

starting to get their hands on video cameras. Yeah. And they're starting to tape stuff more. Including this kid, right here, Bill Simmons. Had a video camera and the Honda elite scooter. This movie really resonated with me. Inside of you are two wolves and it's Christian Slater and Keith Gordon. I had the camera

in high school. It weighed 25 pounds. It couldn't have been heavier and more unwieldy and you brought it around and you taped and you had these big giant videotapes. Yeah, so you bait and then you have this Keith Gordon character who's probably the first kid in Corpus Christi or whatever who's like, let's start filming

stuff ourselves. Let's speak back to television. Like we'll send this tape to the TV stations will take control of this narrative. Craig, how expensive do you think those cameras were back then? Like not adjusting for inflation in 1985? How much do I think that cost? Yeah. I have no idea.

$100? I mean, that guy's A.V. setup was sick. No. Doing this for memory, but I'm going to say at least like $500. Really? Yeah. It was like five or six. It was a luxury item.

Yeah. I don't know what the equivalent would be like in the world where now. I remember I got a Sony high eight in high school in the 90s. And now it was like, this is the only present you're ever going to get for the rest of your life. Yeah. And it was like if you, by the way,

if you dropped it or accidentally hit it, the thing was just, there was no way to fix it. It was just gone. The tapes were really expensive. There were 90. The batteries were like an hour. Yeah.

You know, it was just there's all these different ways. Yeah. Yeah. There are all these different ways that could go wrong. We found I did a student project in high school. school and we filmed a movie about our school that was 40 minutes called the called the Wick Hiker based on the hit checker the HBO show and we filmed it with

my camera and it just was like we've got to get the it was almost like the sun setting we got to get this shot now that was what it was like with these cameras it's like we have 32 minutes before this thing dies like Coppola in the Baccarus now go go go see action did you have editing equipment? I had the two VCRs and you would plug it in with all of these like red dial that you could move back and forth.

Yeah, I was pretty good with this stuff. And then I don't know what happened. Now I can barely work or remote. We have experts now. You'd have to edit the stuff, edit it the other way. And then, you know, it was just a huge pain in the ass. We had no equipment back then. So that kid's set up for 19,

because they filmed, this movie came out in 85, so they really probably filmed it late 84. Yeah, because it was set up with, They had security cameras in the house. Nobody had that back then. Yeah, and he had like a full kind of like basically home theater set up for 1984. Fair is fair. Great slogan.

Yeah. I think Gavin Newsom maybe as he heads toward battling the Trump infrastructure, maybe could start doing the fair as fair. Honestly, there are worse slogans to use. Yeah. Fair is fair. The director, Matthew Robbins. He said, I was attracted to the screenplay because I didn't see anything like it.

The empowerment of a female, everybody in the movie was young and powerless. The assumptions were being made by all the adult males. It's kind of a force field that kids are up against. So that was one thing. And then the other one, he said, was because he wrote the Sugar Land Express with Goldie Hawn. That was Spielberg's first big movie. He said, I was fascinated with notoriety getting confused with fame, which was exactly the same issue in the Sugar Land Express. That's a really interesting concept.

notoriety getting confused with fame really starts right here in the mid-80s and goes through where all these people eventually like culminating in the OJ trial 10 years after this. Someone definitely has a thesis paper that's like from Billy Jean to Hawk Tua, you know, like, right. I literally have that in my notes. But that she's the Hawk Tua of 1985. My flex was like the earnestness or my flex category was what happens the next day. And I was like, I can't help but think about what would have happened in 2025.

Oh, she would have just gotten. She would have gone on the Hawk to a podcast, probably gotten to deal with the unwell network, and then it's like releasing music by the time she's 25. But in 85, she probably goes back to Corpus Christi and becomes like a school teacher and has a normal life. She's a measles vaccine, you know, like... Well, Cato Cailin in the OJ trial,

I feel like was the culmination of the start of this movie all the way where Cato Cailin just became famous. And he, you know, in the OJ trial, he was just this dude that lived in the guest house. He had brought nothing to the table. He was like a wannabe actor. He'd been in a couple things. And then became like actually truly famous and was on the Tonight Show and was in game shows and was being cast in movies.

In 85, that would have been inconceivable. But people were starting to realize like you could use cable TV to become famous right away. Yeah. I think the cool thing about this movie too is that is it starts when after after she, starts to go on the lamb, the first reaction of the kind of community is like kids are running a muck and we got to put a stop

to these kids who are just like terrorizing business owners and stuff. And it's really like, whether it's organic or not, but it's really a youth explosion that leads to her becoming this folk hero and then the haircut obviously like makes it into a fashion statement.

There's another piece to this movie that was really particularly the 80s. I'm interested from Craig's standpoint if you feels like it exists now. Like that kids were the good guys and adults were just bad. And they didn't understand. Breakfast Club. Adults are bad.

They don't understand us. They take advantage of us. In some cases, we're threatened by them physically or sexually. And adults are the bad people, but you have adults making movies about this. Like, this doesn't really exist now in the same way.

I think it's less ages now and it's more about wealth. I think it's like the Louisiana Mangione and the United Healthcare series. I think that is the version of what's going on. It's haves and have-nots rather than what versus young. And also... Back then it was kids versus adults. Adults don't understand.

And root for the kids. I think there's also an element that this might be simplifying it too much. I don't know if you felt this way, but like in the 80s, it definitely felt like when you were kids, you just couldn't wait to grow up. Like I, you know, like you really, really, you know, you wanted to meet girls or you wanted to... I couldn't wait to have sex. thought about that a lot I couldn't wait to get a

really thought about that a lot I bet Ellen Slater I really agree to having sex with another person I mean but also like the music that was cool to like your older brother or cousin or the kids who were older than you

that's the music you wanted to like yeah like you wanted to get out of being a kid that's always been the case but now I think that there's more stuff for kids to almost stay perpetually young like they're served more culture that it's like, yeah, why would I ever just, I would never reject Taylor Swift. I can just

listen to Taylor Swift for the rest of my life. They're like Disney adults. There's like a whole new era of these people who have kept the things they loved as children and just continue to like it for their adulthood. Or they can just keep watching that stuff because it's saved in perpetuity rather than when we were young and it was like, well, you can keep renting Goonies. But it's not as easily accessible as like it is now where you'd just be like, I have it on my phone and I can fall asleep to it every night. And the flip side, Millie Bobby Brown is now 45. year old. I know if you've seen her. She looks like a

10 year long today show anchor. Yeah. She's like 22. Well, I got to do it, CR. Apex Mountain for hottest mid-80s high school babes that teenage bill loved.

Yeah. Right? This is 40 years ago. I still feel like it's fair game to talk about these people. I'm talking about the love that I had. And Helen Slater was when she made this movie. Yeah, I'm talking about, I'm not talking about me now. Yeah.

I'm talking about the love that I had. That's okay. Go for it. In the mid-80s, the feelings that percolated inside me, and I narrowed down to five. Did you give me a fucking Carl Malone cup while you're talking about this?

The mailman. Yeah. Oh, I didn't even think about that. Jesus. Oh, no. That was accidental. Why do you have a Carl Malone cup? It's from the Dream Team.

collection. I bet to give you Dr. Jay. I had a Dr. Jay cup for you. We switched cups. Well, it's almost better that you don't have the Carlin cup before this topic. Yeah, but I'm going for how I felt in the 80s.

Yeah. I already mentioned Kelly Preston and Secret Admire and Mischief. Helen Slater and Billy Jean. Joyce Heiser and just one of the guys. I think she was like 30 in that movie in real life, but playing a high schooler. Elizabeth Schooncraticade,

we've discussed. and Mia Sarah Ferris Bueller. Those were the five for me. I also was pretty into Jennifer Gray, too. Oh, Jennifer Gray and in Ferris, Beeler. Yeah. There were others, but just for like, these characters were all in high school. I was in high school, and I loved all of them.

Yes. And that was it. What about Rebecca D. Moray, risky business. Was she there? Not accessible. Yeah. She was like a 19-year-old prostitute. She doesn't count as a high school character.

She was like from another galaxy in that movie. Yeah. Just couldn't get there with Molly Ringwild. never even though she was a multiple high school movies back then I really like Sean Young in Stripes but she was a little bit she was an adult yeah now this had to be like in your age where you felt like when oh like was Winona Rader Lucas yeah like you could meet her yeah it was like oh and then uh the other one I guess this counts in mid 80s is was Amanda Peterson can't buy me love because we were the exact same age as her in that movie um so anyway it was quite an era

Helen Slater is in that mix She sure is, yeah If we had Dream Team Cups for that era She would have had one And uh We should do that That's good That wouldn't be weird at all

7-11 Dream Team mid-80s page Yeah I want to get a bunch of teenage girls On Cups Is that cool? No Bill Yeah No the only built

When you were in high school Yeah Bill signed off No it's retroactive It's fine She did Supergirl Billy Jean Ruthless people

secret of my success with Megal J. Fox and then city slickers and I think she was pretty fairly serious actress but that was kind of her little run. And then she went back to school. Yeah.

I think she went to like do other stuff. Yeah. And then Christian Slater this is his first big movie. He's in Name of the Rose. Sean Connery, good movie actually. Tucker Man in his dream

and then does the heathers pump up the volume blows up. And it's off to the race of heathers. But you could see the pieces in here. It's fun to actually watch 15-year-old Christian Slater.

Yeah. I mean, I, for the longest time, thought they were actually related. They were not. He was in love with her while they made it, rightfully so. Yeah, I read that in the research. And I'm like, do I even put this in the document that 15-year-old Christian Slater was in love with 22-year-old Helen Slater when they filmed a movie together for four months? Like, if he hadn't been in love with her, it was like, do you have blood in your body?

I found out they aren't siblings right now. I thought they were siblings. Yeah. Yeah. No, they weren't. I think that was a confusing part of this. You know, I don't have... Because they kind of look...

They're both like platinum blonde in this movie. Yeah. They look similar enough. He died his hair though. Yeah. You know how you were like, you started this podcast by saying, take me back, you know?

Yeah. Let's just do a list of the most popular movies of July of 1985. I can't wait. Number one, Back to the Future. Wow. Number two, cocoon. Hmm. Pale Rider.

Oh. Rambo First Blood Part 2. Sure. Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, San Elmo's Fire. This is just in the box on it. San Amos Fire. Yeah.

This is just stuff. that was at the movies. It wasn't necessarily released then. E.T. Goonies, European vacation. Emerald Forest, Silverado, Pritzie's Honor Fletch, the explorers, I know, Beverly O'Cop, view to a kill, Brewster's Millions,

Red Sonia, Day of the Dead Legend of Billy Jean. And you left out, like, Vision Quest, just one of the guy. Oh, like so many other movies came out during the course of the year. We just had it all figured out. Well, there was just volume. This is the thing, is that the movies are actually in a really good place right now,

but there's just not enough of them. There's not enough in the movie theater where you're like, I could go to the theater like four or five times in a week if I wanted to. Or all month, like I could go to the movies. It's more like an event. You're like, I can't wait.

You just want the four receiver offense and a lot of passing and a lot of plays and hoping to get lucky. Or I actually would be cool if we get two really good receivers and never pass to them. I was going to say, we're in this space now where the, Eagles offense of 42 seconds per play, run play, just chewing up clock. That's movies in 2025.

Back then, we're just chucking the ball. Yes. It's like flat shore, Chevy Chase. Yeah, let's make it. God. Here's 10 million. This was produced by, uh, this is hilarious. John Peters and Peter Gruber.

Peter Gruber, uh, who's still, still kicking. Yeah. Uh, part owner of the Warriors and, uh, still producing stuff. And John Peter is immortalized in licorice pizza. John Peters, Barbara Streisand's hairdresser, becomes a movie producer.

These guys end up crushing it in the 80s, not with this movie, but crush in the 80s, and then Sony gives them an incredible amount of money to run Sony in entertainment, and it's a disaster.

There's a good book written about it. And John Peters, never quite happens again, but a character. Yes. And Matthew Robbins said that John Peter's biggest contribution was being completely obsessed with Helen Slater's hair in the movie

and what the haircut was going to look like when she has her famous haircut. What's producing? And he said it was a gigantic issue for him. So there you go. No budget recorded for this movie. Yeah. It only made like, what, 3, 4 million?

It made 3.1 million, which is, I don't know, Craig. Top seven least grossing movies we've done on the rewatchables? What was pump up the volume? It did better than that. But it did better than $3 million. You think? I think so. We've rarely done movies that made less than like $5 million.

The kicking and screaming, the Noah Baumback movie made more than... That did not make money. Yeah. That was in like 11 theaters, it feels like. It made $20 from you and me and another 10 from Greenwald. And then 100 from the Bombback family. Hicking and screaming didn't even make a million. Yeah.

Okay, that might be the lowest. No budget recorded. And no Roger Eber review. where was he? Raj was like, I'm good. I actually think Raj would have really

like this movie. He would have loved the female empowerment stuff. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Lot to discuss in the categories when we take a break.

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would you throw the opening credits in here with the Divinels Boys in town? Number one thing I have here, opening credits. Yeah. In the running for most underrated mid-80s song? Yeah, and it's also just like you're immediately, like,

they shot this movie entirely on location. So they used like something like 85 different real locations. It just feels like you're immediately transported. And even though they shot it in the winter, you're like, it is hot summer. Like, this is so authentic feeling. It's funny because Vision Quest starts with, I think, it's either Journey or John Waite, but it's the same thing like, I'm in somewhere near Seattle, I'm outdoors,

I'm watching a guy run, and there's a kick-ass song playing. It's like, all right, you got me. This one's same thing where we're just like, I'm in some weird part of Texas. There's guys and there's a gas station and there's a scooter. You just kind of get the feeling like what's going on. It's like this guy, obviously, he's very proud of his scooter, but these four jerks are chasing him around and his sister's. hot and like you know and then huby steals the scooter we get the whole uh yeah full swimming scene

which is a big thing back in high school way back when uh next one billy jean gets harassed yeah by mr piet who is so fucking evil in this scene um and then gets to come up come up you know what the funniest thing about this i was going to save this earlier but i have to mention it now is that in my memory mr piet was like an oil baron and yeah he sells like a he's He's like a seashell and souvenir store on the boardwalk. Right. He actually probably didn't have $600. No, I mean, it was just like, actually like, this guy is just like a piece of shit

tourist trap. Right. We're going to have a little arrangement. Layway plan. It's like, oh, my God, this guy's disgusting. She gets out of that. I always like when somebody picks up a gun. Yeah.

In a movie? No, in a movie. No. And they're like, hey, what's this? And you just know somebody's going to get shot of it. It's like, oh boy, here we go. Somebody's taking a bullet. Yeah.

Usually like the bullet right. That looks like it was like an inch above his heart. Yeah. Yeah. With these movies sometimes when somebody gets innocently shot, but they're fine, when you actually think about getting shot. That was much more of an 80s thing. It was like, oh, just have a go.

My arms are like swing. There's like two spots up here that you could get shot and maybe it's okay. Other than that, you're getting a shattered shoulder. You're shot in the heart of dying immediately. You're getting a shattered collarbone. Yeah. And what's the response time for Corpus Christi paramedics? Like, that's a lot of blood loss.

He's like, I lost two pints. Right. The mall exchange. Yeah. The mall exchange gone wrong with the sped up rebel yell by Billy Idol. Yeah. Chekhov's Marbles. This could have just been the whole movie.

Yeah. I could have spent 30 minutes in the mall. The Sunrise Mall and Corpus Christi. And I just, I wanted some more stores. We only really get floor shine in the background. Yeah. I don't know where Spencer's gifts was. I guess they were probably in KB.

Toys when they're getting all the G.I. Joe, Wachie-Tockies and stuff. KB. Toys, there should have been like some sort of foot locker type You gotta have an Orange Julius Yeah, where was Orange Julius? Where was a weird pizza place? But something about the malls back then.

I don't know why people just haven't tried to recreate that. Why they haven't recreated the malls? I know Craig it's near and dear to his heart. Oh, yeah. I mean, just in general, the mid-80s, the mall era, It's like the Duffer brothers cashed out on this with Stranger Things. It's the most nostalgic air to go back to. It sounds wonderful.

I caught the tail end of malls. In my childhood, I used to go to the mall in the Bay Area that was near me. But I guess kids still go a little bit, but it's just hard. Nobody shops in person anymore. There's no reason to go. Half of them are shut down. Maybe they'll come back like movie theaters did. People are going to movie theaters again.

Maybe malls will come back. Because here it's like the outdoor malls kind of pervert your idea of what they're supposed to be. But yeah, maybe. I don't know. A couple good things in this part. The two mustache guys that work for Peter Coyote, there's like a whole separate movie going out of those guys. At one point, he does the midnight run, like a couple punch to the chest.

Yeah. And then they're just, they just seem like it's a buddy cop that they just decided not to address. And then Hubey coming out of the plants is fucking hilarious. Yeah. I can't wait to talk about him. Please. Billy Jean watching Joan of Arc

gets set on fire and unleashing her new haircut for the videotaping iconic scene Yeah and then that's where she You know she'd meet Lloyd there You get some really great hallmarks Of a rich guy house

Highlighted by There's no lights on anywhere Yeah If you're super rich You apparently don't use electricity there anymore If you've transcended it But it's also Security cameras all over the place

You can't say anything Because everything's pitch black He's got the the slide from his bedroom into the pool. It's like one of the great dreams of my life is to have that. Yeah, except nobody would ever actually have that.

I know. It's probably a fire hazard. Can you imagine when we were through my house if I said to my wife. So I'm thinking, out of Ben's bedroom, a giant slide. It's the most 13-year-old invention ever.

Yeah. Yeah. But it's like a perfect like, yeah, probably divorced dad for sure. Just being like, I got to buy this kid's affection so whatever you are. money. It's Corpus Christi.

They'll do whatever. Also for Keith Gordon's character, for being a pretty cool guy for the most part. Yeah. But yet is also like basically who's the guy who did the Michael Jackson thriller, all the creatures for that? Oh, Stan's, St. Winston? No, that guy, I can't remember the name. But he's. Oh, Vincent Price.

No, no. The guy who like made the mask. I can't remember who did American Werewolf in London and Thriller, all those. he basically has this weird horror movie side and it's really weird it's not like normal weird but it's cool because that was what horror was back then

was like weird guys who would read but imagine that guy had taken a girl back to his room that he's been dating well was it like Rick Baker Rick Baker Rick Baker yeah it's like yeah come to my room you can see my 20 horror movie mask characters

he spends a lot of time on his own I didn't I mean Lloyd probably has like a nice chunk of change in his pocket. I had this as an impic later. For the amount of time he spends on his own, he sure knows how to like vibe with the fucking super hot Billy Jean.

Yeah. And he's also wearing a pretty cool suit when she shows up. Yeah. Is this like hanging out in a suit? That character's all over the place. It's like, is this guy a loner dork? Is he cool? What is he?

Billy Jean's tape getting played in the police station with the Ferris Fair is, which is great. And the little kid doing the arms. I think that's a really good scene. the actual like her talking a camera. Oh yeah. Mr. Pott, you sleaze.

I put in crazy couple chases Billy Jean and shoots guns at her for the ransom. I had that for one stage of the worst, but yeah. Well, it's just so insane. I kind of enjoy it. Yeah. Like, he's like, I'm going to shoot the tires. It shoots through the windshield twice. But it also is like kind of indicative of how

these stories tend to get a grip on people and drive them kind of crazy. I think this is my winner. Billy Jean gets exchanged around Texas as Pat Benatar cranks invincible for five minutes. Also, Kid Cutty Pursuit of Happiness word, best needle drop.

By far. It's like, she calls, she calls the cops to kind of, she's like, I'm going on my own. I don't need any of attached to me and it's like, this bloody road remains a mystery. There are so many great 80s cars

in that scene. Like there's like a Selika. There's like a good Mazda. What do we wait in for? Also like, how did this exchange network work with no internet? I don't know. With no cell phones. What's going on? I mean, it's pretty cool, though. It's pretty cool. I don't ask questions. I loved it. Yeah. Then there's the one guy with the motorcycle.

Yeah. Who's like, he's in the sons of anarchy, but looks like Fabio. then at one point she goes downstairs To a rave Yeah I think it's supposed to be a rave Whole thing And it's basically a live podcast No I think it was like

It's like a Billy Jean Davy sponsored by State Farm Tonight on the Billy Jean Davies show Today I would talk to my brother Banks about a scooter But yeah So everyone applauds they go nuts What's the next hour There after that Meet and Greet.

Step and repeat. Just check. Hey, good luck. Yeah. Great to see you. And then Billy Jean Burns down Piat's store. Joan of Art burns down. People sadly throw Billy Jean merchandise into the fire.

Yeah. And the director's like, should we do Invincible for a third time? Yeah. Let's do that. John Peters is like, yes. The director's, like, like, what about love is a battlefield? Maybe we switch Benatar and they're like, nope, no, invincible.

We pay for invincible. You can use it. So what do you have for most roachable? Her coming out of the scene at Lloyd's house, like her coming out of the house and making the tape the first time. And that's got my favorite line of the movie where the Putter sisters really, like, oh my God, you look. And then Christian Slater's like, you look famous. Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, there you go. That's when the internet was created right there. That created Twitter. Steve Wozziak was like that. We gotta do that. I have an idea. What's the most 1985 thing about this movie? I mean, the answer is everything,

but some nominees, the key musical moments for Pat Benatar, the divinals, Billy Idol. Yeah. The Honda Elite Scooter. This is right when it was really climbing. In Piat Store,

there's a huge stand of Panama Jack's Sunstream. With, like, negative five. SPF. It's basically putting gasoline on your body. Pure peanut oil. Yeah. I don't know if I think Panama Jack, I think that it's all been outlawed. What if Kennedy's like, we got to bring back Panama Jack?

That's a great American company. We need Tanner people. We see at one point gas is a dollar in five cents. That jumped out to me. That was probably high. Yeah. We've seen this in a couple other movies we've done. multiple people who don't know each other

watching a wall of TVs in a store. Yeah. I want to go back to that. Yeah. And then that being how you found out about major events. Yeah, how you found out about major news. Yeah. An authentic beta movie camera.

I think is the winner. I do want to shout out Hubie's shorts in the scene when they steal the bike. We called them back in the day jams. Or at least we did where I live. The shorts, they were like, had like these crazy patterns.

They almost looked like they'd been electrocuted. It was also like big shorts. Indicative of in the summer if you were a kid, you wore your swim trunks all day long. Yeah. You never know. You never know when you might swim. Right.

But they were like, they were like they could go as swim trunks, but you could also just wear them when you went out. Yeah. They all had like weird designs and colors. And this was a two year run that I can't really explain. Yeah, it was a day to night. It was okay to wear to the beach,

but it was also okay to wear to Chili's. Yeah. You missed the biggest 1985 thing. What is it? I can't believe we haven't talked about it. Yeah. What's here? Jimmy J. Judge C-101 Talk Radio. Oh, yeah. Just taking calls about local crime and weather and playing hot tunes. It's like five years later, that makes no sense.

Also, the only thing anyone in all of Corpus Christi is constantly listening to is Jimmy J. it's how Binks finds out that they have to go on the run. It's like they listen to it all the time in the car. I don't think I ever realized until this viewing of this movie, they never leave Corpus Christi. Yeah. Like, they don't even get out of town. Right. How big is Corpus Christi? Is it like London?

I know. What was the most 1985 thing for you? What jumped out watching it, Craig? Oh, man. I mean, her hair, probably. The haircut choice has to be the most 80s thing.

Yeah. I got to say, Jimmy J. Judge is up there with my favorite movie radio DJs with Clint and play Misty for me. Oh. Stephen Wright,

DJ in Reservoir. dogs. Yeah. Was it Lynn Thigpen in the Warriors? Don't forget about Ellen Barkin and the fan. Ellen Barkin in the fan.

Playing the fabulous sports paper. Adrian Barbeau in the fog. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. That's a good one. What's age the best? Mr.

Piot as just an amazing 80s villain. I don't think he's gotten enough credit for how like disgusting he was in every respect. Really, really like well drawn out. I fucking hate this guy. I'm glad his store is burning down by

end of the movie. And also like the it's perfect that he actually has the store that he has because that's the guy who would get t-shirts printed up as fast as possible. I had exchange scenes in an 80s mall going wrong. Yeah. Feels like a recurring theme like we'll meet

there, 1230. Meet me in public somewhere. Always like places for the cops to hide and there's plants and weird stores and then chases and escalators and people can hop from the escalator going down and the one going up. Always worked.

What'd you have? I had a few more. Young Christian Slater. Yeah. Billy Jean's haircut becoming a local phenomenon is pretty good. Yeah. And I love in the mall after the exchange goes bad, the local TV doing man on the street responses. And the woman's just like, they're just picking on her because she's a lady.

And he goes like, there you have a woman's perspective. The female perspective. He's like kind of poo-pooing it off. He's like, yeah, right. I had any time. a movie when people shoplift with IOU notes? Yeah. I don't think it's ever happened in real life.

Isn't that basically Clarnah? You're going to It's like, I have a dollar. I'll be back. The fact that the Slaters aren't related, but they actually generally look like their brother and sister. Yeah. Here's one that I honestly could have used

more of in the 80s and 90s. When characters found an empty, really nice suburban semi-manion, to hide in for a couple days? Amazing. Why did we stop doing this? Yeah. This is the whole plot of Beverly Hills Cop 2.

This is why, like, maybe ring cameras were a mistake. You know what I mean? That would have been a good high of steak. You don't get to find out that a bunch of teens have been living in your house while you were vacation. Seems great. I mean, it could have been the whole movie. I'm just living there and ordering whatever delivery, pizza delivery. I had 80s high school bad guys.

Yeah. Like, Cubies crew, Kobe's. Khy, James Spader's crew in Pretty and Pink, like just they're some of the most evil people we had in movies. They were just like 17 year old. Yeah, always a blind guy. Always like super flirty and borderline sexual harassment. They're always chewing gum.

Named like Hugh B or Bart or some shit. At the end, they have some sort of realization that maybe this was the wrong way to go. Yeah. Hubey at the end of this movie is like, yeah, I'm going to let my dad burn to death. I don't care. Go get a pizza. Johnny Lawrence

The Anacrotic kid Look this, I'm going to TCU in the fall This is too heavy for me This is a deep cut What's age the best Movie characters getting mad That the ransom number for them Wasn't high enough

Oh yeah Keith Gordon being like home Only 10K Yeah I like anytime that happens That's actually a ton of money For 1985 in Texas Yeah I like anytime a movie character says

your money let you get away with anything. Lloyd's hostage plan, which is ridiculous, but I also have it as a wood stage the best, like really inventive way to try to get laid. Yeah. She's like, I just need to stay around Billy Jean

and keep taking shots. Yeah, he knows what he'll happen. Also, like, just like him being like, I'm super into Houdini, so this is a chance to put my tricks into action. Mark Saffin did the theme music for this. He also did the,

closing in song for the golf course chase. Yep. Do you know what song he did? That's an absolutely all-time iconic 80s movie song. No. Win in the end in Teen Wolf. Really? The whole basketball scene.

Win in the end. I'm gonna win in the end. You don't remember that one, Craig? From Teen Wolf. No. It's like five minutes of him just singing, win in the end? The music in the scene where she walks out and she first gets her haircut,

I'm pretty convinced it's just like where Stranger Things got the music. Yeah, I mean, this could have been a hottest take. I think Stranger Things really studied like three, four movies. Like E.T. I think they studied this movie. Maybe Goonis and this. Yeah. I think there's some karate kid in there.

Yeah, 11 having the haircut. Yeah. But I think if you gave true ceremony of those guys, I think they would admit they watched. I think they would admit it. Yeah. Big Kuhna Burger were best use of food and drink. I just always enjoy when somebody dumps a milkshake on a movie billy. That's just going to win me over every time.

It's also very 1980s to be like, it's hot out. Let's get like a big cup of milk. Right. Who would get a milkshake in 98 degree weather, one in the afternoon? I had the shopping cart full of junk food that Potter tries to buy. Oh, yeah, yeah. Convenient store, it's like all butterfingers. Right.

Yeah. Great shot order where most cinematic shot. There is a nice big wide shot of them lying on that, whatever that big wood thing is in the lake. Yeah. And it just seems calm and quiet. And you're like, oh, man, something bad. The hair reveals cool when it starts down at the pool. There's a shot by Jeff Kimball, Jeffrey Kimball, who shot fucking Top Gun.

Wow. Oh, that makes sense. It looks really, really. good. Chess Rockwell, Brockwell, I'm a word for best character name.

Billy Jean Davy is pretty good. Awesome. I do love Binks. Yeah. And I, but I think the winner is Hubey Piat.

That's just somebody wants to punch in the face. Yeah. We don't name kids Hubey anymore, do we? Nor Binks. I think Bix is a nickname,

right? Oh, is it? I'd assume. For what? So his name would be Binks Davy? I would assume his name's like Bradley or

Bobby or something like that. What do you have for a flex category, Sierra? I have a couple, but I did, can we do Z-Want nail? Can we talk it out? Yeah. Does Lloyd get heavy into VHS porn? Because I think it's in play. He becomes like butt man?

He's got all the equipment, you know? He's got a little bit of startup capital. He's had his taste of crime. I think that that has a competitor to Vivid Video. Binks moves to, Burlington, Vermont, becomes a scooper at an early Ben & Jerry store and kind of bums around the mountains,

sell some bad ass at a dead show and gets his ass kicked. Lloyd's dad winds up having a low-key role in the David Koresh standoff. Hubey becomes Lieutenant Governor and Billy Jean gets embroiled in a year-long copyright litigation.

He's the governor in Texas for like 28 years. What do you mean? I actually, ironically, put this in the rundown after unanswerable questions and I had the Zawatne Award what happened the next day Binks eventually becomes the father

to Doug McCray in the town. Yeah. Yeah, that's his dad. His dad is Binks. I mean, his idea of what Vermont is like must be so fucked up because it's just that chick on a poster.

I mean, honestly, even people in Vermont are like, dude. Yeah, don't get your hopes up. Yeah. Vermont's fine. Do kids still hang up posters of hot women in their rooms growing up. Did Ben do that?

No. What a shame. It's because it's all in their phone, right? Yeah. That's a bummer. Yeah, I had some good ones. That's such a vibe. Kathy Ireland.

Sure. On my wall. I like Qie being in some sort of major political role in Texas. Yeah. Like playing off the Billy Jean thing. Yeah. I learned my lessons. The Butch's Girlfriend Award Weekly in the film.

It's either Billy Jean saving the Kenny the Rind I'm abused kid that whole section or Billy Jean getting shot at by these two people trying to get a ransom. That whole section of the movie. By the way, I like that whole section of the movie. It's just we kind of go sideways there for a second. I know that Yardley Smith is like in an interview was like I don't understand why my character gets her period like in the middle of this movie for the first time. But I do think the child

abuse section where it's just like, you got to save Kenny. It's like, well, I'm on the run from the law, so I can't do that. I like when she comes out of the house and she's like Kenny's going to live with his grandmother and the crowd's like yeah and little we don't know the grandmother's worse than the fucking dad. Kenny has CT but he's going to live with his grandmother

um what's age the worst we mentioned earlier about dreaming about someday living in Vermont weird like why not go I don't know like California well I think it's a hundred and twenty

He hates the heat and he's only seen one poster of Vermont. He probably can't name another city there. He thinks all of Vermont is chicks who are naked underneath their ski suits. It would have been funny if he had just saw Hot Dog the movie and was like, this is my jam. Yeah, this is what I need. What do you have? I have a few.

I have a good old boy taking a shot at Billy with a hunting rifle while she's surrounded by kids in order to get the down payment for his house. Pretty fucked up. And station wagons fish tailing a lot. You know, we just have better suspensions now. Yeah. But like that was like some of those fucking cars were really dangerous back then. It's a good point because the chase scenes were just better back then.

But it's because the cars were worse. Because the cars would just like spin out. But like now it's a really good point. Thank you. Thanks. I would stage the worst. I would have toned down Benatar and Invincible. Maybe by one song.

Or brought it up by another three. Here's a. I don't think it was. the right number. Maybe five more or two less? It's too bad that I think Pat Benettar has a strange relationship to this movie but it would have been great if she would have recorded like an acoustic version

to play like during the sex scene you know or something. So I read in the research she didn't like this movie. Yeah. But then I don't, I didn't know if that was true because she still plays it at concerts. Well I mean, it's her song. I think she's just like this is the song from the dumbest movie ever made. Come on Pat.

I mean that gets, I almost want to break out the fuck you, Raj for that. for Pat. Settle down, Pat. Settle the fuck down, Pat. Like, what other song in a movie does she even have at this point? The way adults talk

to Billy Jean, we mentioned. The original title of this film was Fair as Fair? Tough. You like that more or less the legend of Billy Jane. I think if it had been called Fair as Fair, I wonder if it does better at the box office,

but it does not become a cult classic. the way it did. Yeah. It's called Legend of Billie Jean. Here's my big one. So, and it makes sense because in the research, they said this. They had to do some reshoots and her hair was different. So she had to wear a wig for some of the scenes.

Yeah, you can tell. You can just, it's like, it's really bad. Like, she looks like there's a couple scenes where she just looks like she has Steve Kerr's hair and the 98 bulls. It just makes no sense. And then it goes back to the old hair. Yeah. But man, I wish it's funny that Peters cared so much about the haircut and then didn't care.

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It seemed like he was really methitting out there. Like, all right, so I've been living in the back of this trailer for like two months. They're like, hey, we just need you for one to see. Can you just be evil and smelly? CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harris-in-support, how to take a word? What do you got? I think in my lifetime, mass media should have stopped evolving right at the moment of this movie to pick. So that would basically be early cable, radio.

you have some people who have video cameras so there is like you're able to make your own stuff but not easily and it just basically means that I would never have a job and I would work at a record store for the rest of my life but I'd be okay with that if we could go back to like this moment

because it was just so perfect in my mind movies music TV people who are like I would like to go back to when it was like I was 10 that was the perfect moment like whether it was this game platform or this kind of like the cable TV you had HBO, but that was it. Everybody probably thinks that for whatever they are.

But it was like, this is just such a perfect moment. In my mind, like, I still remember sitting in the backseat of my mom's car and like listening to WMMR or Eagle 106 and just be like, these are the only 20 songs I need to know. Yeah. 84 and 85. You're right. We had it all figured out. My take, Keith Gordon. Why this range of excellent performance to horrible performance?

of any actor of the last 50 years. In this film specifically or across the course of his career? He has a run. I think he's really good in this movie. It's pretty good in Dress to Kill. He's good in Christine. He's horrific

and back to school with Rodney Dangerfield. It's one of the worst performances of the 80s. And Christine, he's kind of all over the place. I don't know what he's going for there. To be fair, I definitely. And then Jaws 2, pretty solid. but he's just all over.

I don't have a re-for him at all. And he became a director. Yeah. He did a midnight clear, which is really good. Did he direct Chocolate War? I can't remember who, or is he in Chocolate War.

He directed a bunch of ones. Anyway, but he's, but he's become like a very good directing. Yeah, but that's a hot take. He was in kind of more movies than maybe he should have been.

I think we would have been good with like three Keith Gordon movies, but he's in six. Yeah. It's funny. He's like kind of like the, uh, he's like off-bram Matthew Brodrick a little bit.

Yeah, like dark. He has that like kind of like a little bit of like I'm a little bit of a nerd but I can also be cool, you know? Yeah, but I also might have seen him in war games. I also might have tried heroin. Yeah. Casting what ifs couldn't find any. Nah, me neither.

Best that guy award. Yardley Smith is putter. Lisa Simpson. Is she Yardley Smith? I think she's Lisa Simpson. She's Lisa Simpson. I had Barry Tubb who was Wolfman and Top Gun and he's Hubbby in this movie. I had Richard Bradford as Mr. Piot

because the only other thing, he's just one of those guys. He was in the untouchables, apparently. Yeah, he's the cop who's like, this is a cop's bar. Yeah, I never do that guy's name. I knew who Barry Tubbs name was from... Let's do Bradford.

You're right. Barry Tubb I knew from Top Gun. Yeah. And he's been in some other stuff too. Dionne Waiter's Award. I don't think the undercover mustache cops can win this. It's probably putter. It's Dean Stockwell.

What are you talking about? Dean Stockwell. Yeah. Really? Yeah, he comes in. He's like, I'm fucking 10 months away from making Paris, Texas. He's like a really good actor, and I'm just going to be the district attorney of Corpus Christi. And the scene he has with Peter Coyoteo in the beginning

where he's like, yeah, it's pretty smart to do it this way. Like if you were going to do it, like, blah, blah, blah. Really good scene. Hmm. He's good. I go with putter. I think putter's funny. Okay.

Recast the couch director of City. Can I offer you young James Spader as Lloyd? in the same city or you want to move it to Concord, New Hampshire or something? No, I think he texuses it up. By the way, Keith Corden had no accent in this movie for Corses Cresti. I assume he goes to private school.

What about young Cusack for Lloyd? Yeah. 18, 19 years old at this time. Oh, there you go, Craig. There you go. It's a great one. I would have a crush that. I have a rarely seen

recasting a music scene choice. Okay. Because I felt like this was one one away from being a pretty great soundtrack. The golf course scene, the song's not good enough. Pretty persuasion by R.E.M. Ooh.

Needed something with a little kick where they're running. And I think that was, I went through all by 80s playlist, trying to find the perfect one, and I think that's where I landed. Can I just off the top of my head throwing at you? Yeah. When they are doing the, like, let's help Billy Jean escape across the city with all the girls who look like Billy Jean. Yeah.

Voices Carrey by Till Tuesday. Oh. Female artist. Yeah, Amy Mann. Female artist. Empowering women. That's what we're doing. I like because we got the divinals in the beginning.

Yeah. Craig, what your flex category or did it? I have another one, though. I guess it's a, I guess I'll call it a weak link. Maybe it's a picking net. I'm going to double down as a feminist ally here with CR. I don't know.

I don't get to be a feminist ally. What happened? After the cup situation. Yeah. You're canceled. You have to earn. your way back. I don't know if Billy G.

needed a love interest. I feel like that kind of like, she just fell in love with the first random dude she meets on the road. And I think it takes away from the female empowerment that she needs this man

and she immediately falls in love with this guy. I fucking like that idea, Craig. And it also is kind of like, but we don't get to explore the loneliness of fame. No. It's like she just falls in love

with the first guy she sees. And mid-80s, they were like, she needs a love interest, I'm sure. Yeah. But I thought they should have held strong. a little revision of that.

What if it would have been a love triangle with her, Hubey, and Lloyd? And like she had had something going with Hubey and that's just his way of communicating to her. I mean, Hubey was the heir to this crappy Torres store in the middle of fucking nowhere of Texas. All of these seashells and poop could all

be yours someday, Bill Eugene. You'll work here with me. That whole Pantama Jack stand right there. We can adopt Kenny. Get skin cancer together. Half Esther and it research. The actress who played Putter's mother apparently slapped Yardley Smith for real.

Oh my God. And then the DVD commentary. That's why she went flying backwards and her face was numb after. They really went for it in the 80s. Yardley Smith almost, she refused to cut her hair for the part. So when they showed her were their haircut, she's got a ponytail combative. I thought she was great in this movie. Yeah, I thought she was really good. I obviously know she went on to do The Simpsons, but was she in a lot of other comedy movies? Did the Simpsons just kind of gobble up all over time? I don't. She was in city slickers. And she was in, uh, Was she in a sitcom for a while before? She bounced around.

She had a couple of ads. I thought she had great timing. She could have been a friend and a lot of good comedies. She's really funny. The miniature golf course is gone. It's now the Texas State Aquarium.

The mall is done. Yeah, you can watch a 30-minute video of a guy made of just like going through this decrepit dilapidated abandoned mall. We should buy, the ringer should buy a mall. That should be our office as an old mall. Corpus Christi.

Yeah. Is you ready to move? It's probably like 15 grand to buy right now. But it feels like return to work, like return to the office, but in Corpus Christi. Yeah. Do you remember when I seriously... You can work inside of the husk of an orange Julius? That'd be awesome.

Yeah. Were you working with us when I seriously investigated buying the Bougainette's house? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That probably would have a mistake. That's like very... It's just too far away.

East L.A., right? Where is it? No, it's in Tarzana, isn't it? Yeah. No, no. It's closer toward Chino. Oh. Yeah.

We should have done it. It was like a good 40 minutes away. How close were you to actually doing it? Not actually that close. Once I had actually wased it out and did a couple different times. Imagine poor Gahow, like being like, hey, we're shooting at the boogie today. Great, rush hour. All right, I'll leave today to get there tomorrow.

Three hour drive. The last research thing was just the Pat Benatar thing we mentioned earlier where she said this is from the worst movie ever made and then belted out and been I hope that's not true and if it's true it's a borderline settle down pat yeah I saw a bunch of it's not a fuck you Raj

but it's a settle down pat there's this really cool website called fast dashed rewind com and it's got like a ton of stuff about the kind of movies that we were talking about in the beginning of the pot 80s VHS classics but their their way of like posting

behind the scenes information is like you can just write in and be like I was an extra on this movie and Helen Slater sucked. So I don't know whether it's true or not, but it does sound like Helen Slater was like

very opinionated about her haircut and about like how the movie was being made. Good for her though. Apex Mountain, Helen Slater. Good for her though.

Yeah, I guess so is this in Supergirl. I think it's secret of my success. Because... Wouldn't you say this is a bigger movie now and... No? Because it bombed when it came out

and Supergirl Supergirl bombed too. Oh, that's right. Secret of my success, she's in a movie with Michael J. Fox. He's on Family Ties. He's like one of the biggest TV stars in the world. That's a pretty good movie. And it felt like she was headed for bigger things.

Well, by that same token, wouldn't City Slickers be your Apex Mountain then? Because she's in, wasn't City Slickers like the biggest movie in the world for a little while? I'll just tell you this, Sierra. I know you had a lot of aspiration stock. It was sad to see in the bankruptcy filings. I had a lot of Helen Slickers. Starr-L-C-K-2. I have a lot of

a lot of Helen Slaterstock. When she was in that Michael J. Fox movie, it was like, here we go. Same thing with Elizabeth Shoe. When she's in cocktail, it's like, here we go. Everyone on the bus. We're headed toward the Oscars.

And, you know, some of these people just never made it. Kelly Preston was another one. It's just like, if Helen Slater had been in Working Girl, what are we talking about today? You know? Wow. Look at you. Christian Slater, no.

Honda lead scooters. Yes. I think yes. This is right. This was somebody who Lou Reed did the Honda lead scooter ad in 85. Yeah. What? Oh, yeah.

Wait, 100%. Lou Reed did a Honda Lead scooter ad. Like an endorsement or he did a song for it? Did he do? Oh, the walk of the wild side? No shit. Fuck yeah. Oh, I had no idea, man.

That's cool. Self haircuts? Has anyone ever? pulled off a better self-haircut? No, she crushed it. Yeah, she really did smoke it. And it instantaneously becomes iconic. Craig, who cut your hair during COVID

the first two months? Liz, Liz, did it? Yeah, but it was like basically just she didn't really touch the top. It was, you just kind of like shave the sides, let it get long. I just, yeah, I'm like pretty, I don't have to cut my hair very much. My wife did mine.

Yeah. And it was kind of fun for a couple months. I had, my hair just goes up. Yeah. And it was just like, I just looked like a mushroom. And we were like, So we got this razor and she just started. Yeah, she somehow mulled it.

Because we were doing pods on Zoom at that point. And I think we were in hats most of the time. You should have kept it going for the castaway solo pod. You should have just had. I wish that was on video. Could you imagine that was just existed on YouTube? Oh, I should check. No, it's on it.

I didn't do it on video. Do you think? I just turned the recorder on and did it. This is Apex Mountain for Peter Coyote or is it narrating Ken Burns' Civil War? What is Apex Mountain for him? He's been embedded... No, it's E.T., right? I guess so.

Yeah. He's got great hair in this movie. He looks like Bob Myers. I was like Peter Coyote. I think it's this award. Apex Mountain for Billy Jeans. We have the song, Billy Jean. We have Legend of Billy Jean.

That's a great call. And Billy Jean King. I was going to ask about that if the name was especially popular. If they specifically chose the name Billy Gene because of the... No, it was actually, they were really annoyed about that, I think. I've read something about that. Oh, really? I think Billy Jean...

Because the song... Was a more common name back then. Is that right? Yeah. I also thought... It's been a Billy Jean in 30 years. I thought that this... That was...

The name was supposed to be, like, a play on Billy the Kid. You know what I mean? Like, she's like, outlaw rises. We had Billy Joes and Billy Jeans, and now we'd have neither. Because Billy Gene, the song,

came out in 83. Yeah. So it was hugely popular. Craig, I'm aware. Interesting. I'm just saying, like, how could they have... It's one of the biggest moments of my life in 83.

I feel like... The Billy Jean video. The producers being upset that people were comparing this movie to that movie or connecting the names is like, why would you do it then? It's super obvious. Yeah, you've just named your character after one of the five biggest songs in the 80s.

Maybe people are going to be confused. Fair being fair, Apex Mountain? I mean, it certainly isn't now. Yeah. Short-haired 80s women. Benatar, Slater. Who else had a cool short haircut

back then? I mean, it was the look for a while there. Yeah, it's kind of, like it's going back to Veronica Cartwright and Alien. Family ties? Yeah. Yeah. Courtney Coxon

Dancing in the Dark. Short hair in that? She has short hair in that, right? No, she has longer hair in that, right? Martha Plimpton and Goonies, right? Yeah. Or she's longer in that? Sturby Beach had to have been Apex Mountain

the final scene. That's what it was called. Our radio guy's like, we're a big day here at Sturby Beach. Yardley Smith, it's the Simpsons, which made her probably she's probably buying the Portland Trailblazers. Corpus Christi movies, I'm going to say yes.

Barry Tubb, Top Gun. Top Gun. Keith Gordon. Christine. Who's built around him. Yeah. Joan of Arc, probably not. No, I think it's got some other peaks. All the other peaks she had.

Defeating the English. Cruz or Hanks? How about very young Tom Cruise as Binks? You could see it. Yeah. Like all the right moves. Has Cruz ever bleached blonde his hair? Just for collateral.

He grade it. He grade it. Yeah. You could also see if things are gone a different way of Cruz being like a good guy in Hubees gang. Right. You know? Like the guy taking the photos?

Yeah. Scorsese or Spielberg? Clearly Scorsese. we get cocaine. Yeah. Mr. Pius. Mr. Poyitz running a Coke. He's selling cocaine in the top floor.

I mean, they probably should have done that anyway, right? Yeah. It should have been, she burns this thing down, but then it turns out he's also the biggest Coke dealer in Corpus Christi.

And like Lloyd is way more of like a, like a Paul Schrader character. Right. I never leave my house. I just write my journal. Yeah. What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played clearly,

Hughie? Yeah. All right, pick a knits. Can't wait for this. let me go first for this one okay it just seems like there are a lot of detectives

working this case in corpus christi there's like no other crime scumbag got shot in the shoulder and it's fine but as a part of that it's like how many times does huby try to take matters

into his own hands during a literal police intervention like yeah did obstruction of justice just not exist in Texas in the 1980s 80s? Pretty tough. Yeah.

I had my first picking it is these kids would have been caught in 45 minutes. Yes. They never left Corpus Christi. They went to the same three spots.

Pretty sure we could have found them. All right. So they're living in a Corpus Christi trailer park. Yeah, it's apparently still there. Binks get some money and he buys a really expensive Honda lead scooter.

I have some questions. So what do you think he should be spending his money on? I just had some questions. Okay. That's like a $1,000 scooter. He wasn't worried who was going to get robbed by somebody?

He's just parking outside with no bike lock? He's 15. He's like, this is as good as it's going to get. I support the choice, I'm just saying. Okay. So they break into a house and it just happens to be the district attorney's house.

Yeah. Of all the houses. A little bit of a fairy tale, yeah. And the district attorney lives in Corpus Christi. But isn't home. But it's never home. Yeah. He's somewhere else.

He's in Dallas. Okay. And he has a private shopper. Why not just stay at Lloyd's house when you're hiding? I don't think anyone would have looked there. He's like, let me come with you and I'll be your hostage. It's like, or we could just stay at your house. Nobody knows we're here.

I think it's supposed to be that like they have to get the two sisters home. Like this can't go on forever, you know. But it just seems like Lloyd probably could have given them $100 for gas and they could have gotten pretty close to Vermont on that. I would stay at the house for a couple more days. Yeah. We've used the pool slide. my number one.

I have a couple more, but sharpshooters at the Billy Jean rally? Insane. Insane. Sharp shooters. Sharp shooters who are also seemingly only taking orders from the district attorney, not from... Yeah, not from the head of Corpus Christi police.

Yeah, the number one detective. Yeah. Shooter in the head, if you get a good shot. The Binks hostage plan at the end is legitimately insane. Yeah. I don't know why anyone thought that was going to work. And then at the end, they just let her leave. I know.

All charges have been dropped. Well, I think it's supposed to be that Mr. Piot has clearly done some bad shit. And so they're just like, it's like offsetting penalties. Do they think that Billy Jean shot Piat or do they know that Binks did? I think they know that Binks did, but I think Billy Jean is, they've reported, Billy Jean has made like 600 robberies in two days or something. Yeah. So that's why he's like, this is ridiculous.

All these robberies are happening at the same time. Also, if her goal is to not, I don't really know what she's, is she trying to be recognized or is she not? Because if she wants to remain anonymous, she should have cut her hair after the video. She wanted to be remain anonymous until Piaet and everybody started going on the news.

Yeah. And talking about her. Because if she didn't want to be recognized, you record the video for the news and then cut your hair so you look different. I realized she couldn't be anonymous because she was creating the internet. And she saw, and she saw Joan of Arc and she was like, I'm going to start the internet.

She called out Gore. She's like, I have an idea. And she's like, now I'm the most recognizable person in Corpus Christi. Yeah. Yeah. Where we can just somehow drive around in a station wagon with license plates on it and evade police for seven days, just in different spots. Let's go back to the miniature golf course again. You have any other picking nets?

I don't. Sequel prequel prestige TVL blackcast are untouchable. The prestige version of this is interesting? written by Brad Inglesby would you set it in Philly I said it in corporate Christy okay Mr. Hyatt is

the biggest coke and opium and heroin dealer in Texas but he has this thing as a shell Ponzi thing there's a shooting there but he now has to kill her because yeah Binks is on fentanyl

this is put police yeah Binks is tries fentanyl for the first time and we just go yeah I like that I just call it Billy Jean I also like the sequel where Lloyd becomes

like the Jack Horner of VHS porn. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trao, Mad Dog Russo, Doris Burke, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth, Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley in the firm.

I have a new addition to the category. And I want to say that this is out of the utmost respect, the deepest appreciation in love, but we have to add Peter Schrager to the category. let's go Bill

I've been talking to the Jack sisters Ophelia and Pudder and you know what they said Billy Jean is even more committed to fairness I know there are a lot of girls out there with the haircut and they are getting attention

and let me tell you Billy Jean has been listening to C-101 and she hears everything and it's just motivating her to get back to the top of the mountain you think he's going to get back to that let's go he'll love that

that was great I had Mad Dogg Rousseau Sharp Shooters at the beach rally What's the end of doing doing? Headshot to Billy Jake Davy? What do we do? Just one Oscar I wonder how many people

who are listening to the 57th minute of the legend of Billy Jim Pod know who met a dog and shragues are Probably not many Just one Oscar who gets it Probably Benatar Was Invincible or original song For the movie?

Yeah, I mean it's hard to give Jeffrey Kimball best cinematography, but I think it's the best part of this movie. I feel like I have to look at the 1986 Oscars now. It could have been best original song, right? If she did the song for the movie, which I think she did. I don't know that she did do this. I mean, the video is basically from the movie, but I don't know. The winner was Say You, Say Me from White Nights.

Music and Lyric by Lano Richie. Power of Love from Back to the Future did not win. What an outrage. Oh, my God. and then three more of it whatever I feel like she could have made it all right we are near the end here because we have

probably in answerable questions is this movie better if Binks accidentally shoots Mr. Pott's head off at the beginning like Pulp Fiction yeah oh I shot Barba's head whatever he said if he just does

if he just actually like blows his head off and now they're on the run because they've committed an accidental murder. Yeah. Would it even be better if like the wolf came and helped them? I had one more

but do you have any? Who do you think Mr. Piot had in the Danny White Gary Hogaboon quarterback controversy from the Cowboys in 84? He got a cowboy shirt on?

Did he have Mavs tickets? Yeah. When did the Mavs come into the league? 80. Oh. Yeah. Wow. The 85 Mavs are good.

I had, did Mr. Paiett create MAGA? Like 30 years later, he's definitely like right in there with Trump. I mean, he's got every supplement. It's like red hats and shirts. He's, he's in. But he's articulating a lot of that. Like, you know, I'm just, I'm a voter. And I just think these kids are running wild.

You got to clean this up. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? Lloyd's AV set up home theater. That would have been sick. You know, fantasy was just like, oh, this guy. He's got all the good stuff. I would take the scooter, and that was the exact scooter I had

for like a year and a half before it crashed it. The Honda Elite. Yeah. I had the suit up one. That was the one when I really got banged up. Yeah. Because I was driving that.

Those things were fast. They went up to like 60. Damn. Yeah. But those things were great. Lou Reed was promoting them. Dude. You, Lou Reed, and Slater.

They were great. Best double feature choice. I had the Terminator so we could have female empowerment. Yeah. From the mid-80s. Sarah Connor and Billy Jean. I would pair it with Last Starfighter or Rad, which are just two classic cult VHS movies from this time period.

And Helen Swater run the movie? What about the Coach Finstock Award? Is it Fair's Fair? Oh, I forgot the Coach Finstock. Yeah, fair is fair. Helen Slater wins the movie? Or, you know what? Did Pat Benetter win the movie?

Is invincible the thing that people remember from this movie? I think it's Helen Slater. Okay. Craig never saw it. What did you think? I had never heard of it. I even asked Matt Bellany today as we were taking the town. I said, have you heard of the movie The Legend of Billy Gene?

He was like, no. So I was like, all right. Excited to get into this. We still got some tricks of our sleeve. Every time they think we've zigged, we've zagged. I really enjoyed this movie. I thought it was a really fun 95 minutes. I thought the plot was entertaining and smart.

and you know with these movies I kind of always tow the line between genuine love and ironic love for them but I kind of think that's part of the fun of these 80s movies is you know they're a little bit on the on the fringe but I enjoyed it that was good sometimes they just feel like time capsules to me now

like there's I sent you guys that screenshot of like a bunch of the teens at the beach in the end scene like in the exchange at the end and I'm just like look at these fucking guys man like that's like a Life magazine photo I think I've said Life magazine twice now in two pods,

but it's like, it is like a document of what kids kind of like used to look like and how they used to hang out back then. And it's just like, this movie is aggressively representing culture at this exact time.

And I think a lot of stuff now doesn't, maybe 30 years from now we'll look back and be like, wow, the summer I turn pretty really encapsulates what 2024 was like. But it doesn't feel like it in the moment, I guess.

Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting. This movie comes down to the four people are just a good hang. Billy Jean, her brother, and the two sisters. It's just fun to hang out with them. And it's a cool setting. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Like the first, what is it, 20 minutes of Jaws 2, we were talking about like, this just looks fun. It's hanging out here. It's a great setting. It's like, you know, you can. Roy Scheider's got some problems.

He's dealing with him. Yeah, it's cool. He's probably using that tanning oil. Roy Scheid. There was a lot of movies like this in the mid-80s, like Anthony Michael Hall made one where it's like wrong person now in the run. And I think this movie did it the best. Yeah.

there's a lot of bad versions of this. Yeah. And a lot of the... Out of bounds. Remember that one? Anthony Michael Hall and Jenny Ray? What's the one? Cloak and Dagger?

Where like the kids on the... Like, Dabney Coleman is like the spy. Right, right, right. And the kid goes on the run. Yeah. Yeah. It's a great premise. I thought Helen Slater was great.

I really liked her. Yeah. All right. There you go. Thanks to Gahau. Thanks to Ronick as well. Eduardo. Thanks to Good Worldbeck for producing.

Thanks to Eduardo. Yeah. We got the whole crew. This is some crew. I don't know what we have next week, but it'll definitely be interesting. We have one banked if you want to run that one. Yeah, yeah. Or maybe we're filming another one next week.

We'll see. See our pleasure as always. I hope they throw to A.J. Brown more next week. We'll see. Good to see it. Relax and let Ralph's delivery handle your grocery shopping this week. We start with only the freshest items. Then review your list and carefully choose each one.

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