The Rewatchables - ‘The Nice Guys’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Rob Mahoney

Episode Date: March 24, 2026

Bill, Chris, and Rob play a little game called shut up unless you’re me after rewatching Shane Black’s 2016 cult classic ‘The Nice Guys’ starring Ryan Gosling and Russell Crowe. Producers: ...Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Edaurdo Ocampo, and Matt Pevic This episode is sponsored by Anthropic, the team behind Claude. Try Claude for free today at Claude.ai/rewatchables. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:40 Group chat. Sure can. And the Prestige TV podcast. It's all happening. And the rewatchables. What a week for you? And you're on my podcast. That's a lot.
Starting point is 00:00:48 Yeah, you're on a lot. Are we over exposing you? What's happening? Try not to overexpose you. Chris Ryan's, we're still in CR month. We are. Rob said on my podcast this week that every month is CR month. That seems to be the consensus now.
Starting point is 00:00:59 That's really nice of people to say. I don't know whether that means I've outworn my welcome or what. Just for those of us. choose to celebrate. Yeah, exactly. It's how do you, how do you choose to recognize CR month?
Starting point is 00:01:08 Completely. Well, we're 60% through CR month. Almost done. We did a vote. Put 12 movies up for a vote. You thought Goonis was going to win. Well,
Starting point is 00:01:19 I sometimes think that we skew a little bit older in our demo, but apparently the young people, it's like when they voted, we voted for Obama in 08, you know, we took it back. Who's the we here? I voted for Obama.
Starting point is 00:01:32 I'm not afraid to say it. Craig, Craig's excited because it's opening up a whole bunch of last 15-year movies when these movies do well from 2010 to 25. All the voters were just bots that I made on the internet. I'm happy for it. The Nice Guys is next. This episode of The Rwatchables is presented by TikTok.
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Starting point is 00:02:13 discovery can follow. Learn more at TikTok.com slash guardians guide. Nice guys. Technically the 10 year anniversary of this movie came on 2016. One of those I wrote down destined to become a beloved cult movie
Starting point is 00:02:42 but tried to be a hit movie but then it wasn't a hit movie and then it became exactly what it was supposed to which was a beloved cult movie. It happened almost immediately. It was in the last vestiges of when people would go to cable and still watch stuff on cable, but the streamers were coming. And you know that this movie is popper because it's on all the time, on cable channels.
Starting point is 00:03:03 It's always on one of the big streamers. It's just here, and it feels like it's here to stay here. It's got everything you want from a movie. Usually when we do rewatchables, especially over the last couple of months, I've noticed like a lot of the things that I tend to highlight are like, sequences, filmmaking, moments from the movie. It's all lines. This is a great dialogue movie.
Starting point is 00:03:24 This is a great memorable lines movie. It features my favorite Ryan Gosling performance, and he's in the news, obviously, because Project Hail Mary is coming out this weekend, I guess, when we're recording. So it'll be a past weekend when you hear this. And yeah, this is just a like, do you really need to know the plot of this movie?
Starting point is 00:03:42 You just turn it on and hang out with it. It's the closest thing we've got to Midnight Run this century. It is Midnight Run, but somehow sleazeier. Like it's like we get even grimy or even weirder You're right about the lines But I feel like this is it's a perfect rewatchable Because if you are locked in The physical comedy is so funny
Starting point is 00:03:57 Yes But if you're if you're second screening The line deliveries are so great And if you're just like walking around doing chores You're gonna be like cackling from the next room Because some of the stuff is so big You can just hear it and react to it Yeah it's a chemistry
Starting point is 00:04:08 It's weird they've only made one But I guess the movie didn't do well enough To bring back It's such a shame But yeah I have a list of movies that went backwards to the 1970s, because I think that's part of the secret sauce. Boogie Nights, almost famous, casino, Goodfellas, The Conjuring, Rush, Zodiac, Anchorman, Ice Storm,
Starting point is 00:04:28 nice guys, dazed and confuse Argo and American Gangster. So that is just 13. I think we've done all of those on rewatchfuls now, except for Rush, which is on the list. Why is it so fun to go back to the 70s? What is it? The cars are cool. It's fun to smoke. Ladies looked great. Ladies look great. They really look the best back then.
Starting point is 00:04:49 What else do you need? It's like everybody was kind of like this fucking government is screwing us over but like what could we do about it? Let's get drunk. Let's have some cigarettes. It's okay. You can drive home.
Starting point is 00:05:03 You're fine. The burgeoning porn industry. I mean, what else do you want? I mean, this movie is so cool for exactly those reasons, even though like everyone in it is aggressively uncool. Like it shouldn't be, but because of the era,
Starting point is 00:05:13 because of the stylings, because of the cars. Like, it just kind of works in that. way. Craig, I was there for the 70s, so I vaguely remember some of it. You missed it by a couple decades. When you go back in the 70s, what is it for you? The giant lapels, the brown suits. Parties just seeming really fun, no phones. Everyone's topless. Guys and girls? There's topless mermaids at parties. I mean, God. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we really had it off figured out back then. I'm trying to, what are movies that failed that went back to the 70s? I'm sure
Starting point is 00:05:45 there's been a couple and we've blocked them out of our minds. But it's a great question. Has there been ones where we go back and it just didn't work and we're like, why are we doing this? Because maybe like semi-pro, didn't totally work. But even that one, I kind of enjoy. The funny thing is with a movie like semi-pro, which I actually, like, there's a couple of really amazing scenes in that.
Starting point is 00:06:02 Yeah. It's like they can't get out of their own contemporary heads enough. You know, it's like you're always aware that you were watching Will Ferrell pretend to be an ABA basketball player. Yeah. Whereas like this, like, this just feels like an episode of the Rockford Files, man. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:06:18 With all, like with more profanity and more nudity and better jokes. Pluto's really brought back this decade. They have, I think they might even have a 70s channel, but you can just dive in a love boat, fantasy island, Rockford Files, Vegas. And it really was kind of like this. Yeah. Especially like you watched like the Charlie's Angels
Starting point is 00:06:37 where everything was resolved in an hour. And you would just have these skeevy guys like the Russell Crow character. You'd have good looking. trying to navigate like this inherently crazy sexist world. Everybody's drinking and just people have nice cars and they're just driving around LA. There's never traffic. It just seems like the greatest place. The big crisis in this movie is smog.
Starting point is 00:06:58 Yeah. And meanwhile, there's no traffic. They're just zooming down sunset happily popping around different parties. That's because they also had the gas crisis. So maybe some people were staying off the road. When you were growing up and you're watching these 70 shows but have no context of any part of L.A. Yeah. And you don't know where L.A.
Starting point is 00:07:16 begins and ends in your mind. You think the beach is next to Sunset Boulevard and all this stuff. But that was the L.A. I fell in love with. It was one of the reasons I want to move here. I still remember the first time I came here, I did one of those like, this is how L.A. is supposed to work days, right?
Starting point is 00:07:32 So I went to the beach. Then I drove to Silver Lake and then went to a hockey game. And it was like one of the worst days of my life because I spent five hours in bumper-to-bumper traffic trying to do that. And so it was a, really, you know, it wiped away any preconceived notions I had about how easy
Starting point is 00:07:49 it would be to get around here. So how do we go back other than a smog crisis and less traffic? Massive corporate conspiracy. How do we get it back? It feels like we can rebuild it. When you moved here, what was different about LA than you expected? I think it's as advertised. Like, it's as miserable going across town as everyone
Starting point is 00:08:05 tells you that it is. I am exactly in the size of bubble that everyone warned me I would be. As long as you're aware of what's happening, I think it's fine. Yeah. Every once in a while, I'll have an LA experience. I just had one driving over where I'm like, I wish I could have Jack and Holland in the car
Starting point is 00:08:21 with me to kind of like, because I was just behind a waymo that refused to take the left turn. You know, it was just like, well, there still could be traffic coming and I'm like, wow, we're just going to sit here behind this fucking robot car. Disaster. For half an hour. This is insane. And I was just like, I wish
Starting point is 00:08:38 those guys were in the back seat. Just like firing off one one liners, yeah. This has been my most LA experience is learn I'm not an aggressive driver by type the city brings it out of you but learning that you can bully every robot car on the road has been a very formative experience for me
Starting point is 00:08:55 until they turn back the time I'm gonna get my licks in in the meantime I've been doing a new thing when when I'm walking around and I see the Waymo coming I just kind of go on the street a little bit because it spasses out yeah and it's just like yeah who's in charge now Waymo somewhere there's a Reddit Fred was like I was in a
Starting point is 00:09:12 waymo and fucking Bill Simmons kept taunting my car. Ryan Gasseling. This is, so we talked about the concept of Oscars, MVP's. Who Owned the Year? Did we talk about that the last rewatchables? We talked about that being a new
Starting point is 00:09:30 category that we may need to introduce because there are certain years where Spielberg... Actor, director. Gosling does this in La La La Land. And I, you know, this movie didn't do like fantastic or anything, but two really distinct performance is really fun.
Starting point is 00:09:46 He's one of the first people you think about when you think about this year. He would have, I think, been nominated for MVP. It would have been his, trying to think about basketball. It's his Kate Cunningham year. Like, please throw me in the mix for your podcast conversations.
Starting point is 00:09:59 Does that make Crow, Jill, Duren? Yeah, yeah. But I was thinking about years where you could watch a terrific actor do completely different things in two movies in the same year. Yeah. And I was trying to find all the times
Starting point is 00:10:13 that this happened. The funniest example that just stood out was Ed Norton, who's in Rounders as Worm and American History X in the same year with iconic performances, right?
Starting point is 00:10:25 He's worm and then he's the American History X guy. Hanks was Philadelphia and Sleepless in Seattle in 1993, pretty distinct. And then Leo did Departed and Blood Diamond
Starting point is 00:10:35 same year. Those weren't that different. Well, one, he's got the accent. I mean, that is true. Danny. Danny. The accents are quite different. And there's other ones that had like big years, like Poitiers, people like that.
Starting point is 00:10:49 Cruz had a couple two movie combos, but he's always Cruz. But it's like McGuire and Mission One, Top Gun and Color Money, Cocktail and Rain Man. But you wouldn't say like Cruz became two different people. Gosling in this movie compared to La La Land feels like two different people. Dramatically. Yes. But this is my favorite era for him. It's after his angry young man opening of,
Starting point is 00:11:13 of like half Nelson and drive and some of that stuff. This is like one of the best runs for me in the recent memory of an actor showing their taste. He's working with great directors. He kind of stops at what like first man or Blade Runner 2049 and takes a few years off. And it comes back to this era that we're now, which is like foggy, Barbie, Project Tail Mary.
Starting point is 00:11:36 And it's kind of a little bit more happy go lucky here for a good time, not a long time kind of like vibes. Whereas, like, this is really, like, complicated or charming. Yeah. Really, really, like, well tailored to his skill set. And the thing about him that I think is really lost on some of our big young stars now is he's fucking funny. Yeah. He is so funny.
Starting point is 00:11:59 And he's funny in LaLand. I mean, he's maybe not funny in Blade Runner, but he is able to do comedy. So Laris and Drive. He's hysterical. Yeah. But in him being a comedic actor, like, I think long, this. movie launches him in a totally different way. And I would bet every dollar in my pocket,
Starting point is 00:12:17 Ken does not happen without this movie. This is him going full buffoon in a way that you need to sell that pitch of, oh, he can be this guy and not just like a smarmy kind of like wisecracking comedian, but someone who's like the butt of every joke in this movie.
Starting point is 00:12:32 Well, so you can be funny by how you deliver lines, but then you could be funny by not doing anything, which is a much harder level of funny. And he has moments of this movie where he's funny and he's not saying lines. It's funny when he's just throwing cigarettes in his pool. Right. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:46 Because like when he's, we talked about in the rewatchables mailbag that's coming on Thursday. Oh, it probably already happened by the time people heard this. Yeah, by the time people hear this. We talked about how good of an S&L host he is. And I think the best S&L sketch he had
Starting point is 00:13:01 was when he was like those Beavis and Butthead guys in the audience. Yeah. And it was just all facial expressions. But he does that a couple of times in this movie. And, you know, I can't wait to see who we thought won the movie when we do at the end. He's obviously in the running. But I kind of feel like he needed this for the IMDB.
Starting point is 00:13:19 He needs like one of these. Like what we talked about with crazy stupid love, same thing, where it's like, I can be like handsome rom-com guy. I can be like really funny detective guy. I can be mysterious drive guy. I can be La La Land guy. I can be Neil Armstrong. Yeah, he's got a lot of pitches,
Starting point is 00:13:33 which I think separates him. He's got a ton of humility because there are other actors who would do this. and have three characters in the movie make reference to how handsome he is. Or like, why are you so talented? You're throwing everything away. This guy's just a loser. And the only person who really sees him and is anything else is his daughter.
Starting point is 00:13:54 Yeah. And the movie works because of that. If it was like, oh, he's so hot, he's so funny. It's like, no, everybody thinks this guy is basically a functioning alcoholic who happens at the end to become a great detective or like to rediscover his detective skills. And he has to suck. Like he has to be that kind of low life to the point that maybe the best moment of this movie
Starting point is 00:14:15 is him with his pants down in a bathroom stall like trying to kick the door open and hold it. And it's like the physical beats of that are really hard to pull off. But you're right. It requires you to be willing to embarrass yourself. Yeah, it's hard to be like, hey, you're one of the biggest stars in the world.
Starting point is 00:14:29 We want you to take a dump, drop a cigarette in your lap, and then get intimidated by Russell Crow not holding a gun on you. Yeah. We talked about this when we did some Warren Beatty podcast last year on rewatchables and we did Redford
Starting point is 00:14:42 Month and we talked about the concept of stardom and what stars were willing and unwilling to do. And William Goldman was telling that story about Warren Beatty turning down misery because the guy was crippled in bed and he's like, I don't want to play a loser. And that was like a recurring theme with some of those guys.
Starting point is 00:14:59 I don't want to be a loser. I get to be the hero. I want to be the guy. I don't want to be vulnerable. Gossling does not care. He's willing to go for whatever. You know who loves Gossling? Craig. It's like you're number one guy. Definitely of this generation, yes. Because the comedy thing
Starting point is 00:15:17 is the biggest risk of any genre I think you can take. If you do a really weird dramatic role, there's prestige in that. All the other young great actors right now, Charlemagne, Jacob Allerty, and whoever you want to say, none of them are really taking a risk with comedy. Lorty can take a risk with Frankenstein and be in the makeup and do all that stuff. And it's like a pivot. But the specific curveball of comedy is risky now. and nobody does it. And Gosling, to your point, and even when he's on SNL,
Starting point is 00:15:44 he's okay making himself look stupid. That's like half the fun of it. And I think Gosling is having the most fun in this movie. And you can even tell how much Gosling loves this movie. To this day, he still does press. When he's doing press for other stuff, like Project Hail Mary,
Starting point is 00:15:56 he keeps talking about how Angry Birds, the movie, is the reason why the nice guys flopped because they came out in the same weekend. He's like, fucking Angry Birds. Man, those birds were just so angry. So wait, what's your... He knows this movie's good. What's your history with this movie?
Starting point is 00:16:10 late coming to it okay saw it a VOD probably after it came out and then was a slow burn just because it was on a lot and it has a couple really good set pieces this had a crazy Netflix run right I mean
Starting point is 00:16:25 I didn't see this movie in theaters did you yes but this would be right around when I was I also love Shane Black so like I have a lot of affinity for lethal weapon and long as good night and last action were like the
Starting point is 00:16:39 other ones that he did in the 80s in the early 90s. So yeah. Last Boy Scout. Last Boy Scout. And this is like as Shane Black as Shane Black gets honestly, like purely distilled. I think especially it's so cynical. And I think there's this kind of like discrepancy in the movie of like what's the right move versus what's the smart move. Yes. And they're making the smart move the whole time,
Starting point is 00:16:58 which is basically to be as crooked as everyone else and like pull over one on old ladies and beat people up whenever you need. And that like idea that we're all cynical, we're all exploiting people. but then sometimes it's like you get to the bottom of the barrel it's like I kind of just want to do the one right thing and Shane Black is so good at that Yeah this I think this movie is like a second or third watch
Starting point is 00:17:17 Because the plot is so convoluted It's hard to follow the first time you're watching It's a lot. What's going on? There's a tape and that audio show It starts out confusing and we'll get to it probably In their categories But like it's unclear If you're just watching it the first time
Starting point is 00:17:32 You're like wait so he's following Amelia But he's just looking for Amelia because she's germane to another case he's working on. Yeah, exactly. So that's Margaret Quali. Russell Crowe, a little bit after one of the best actor career ones we had, this 11-year run from 97 to 07, had a pretty hard career swoon. Some of that was self-inflicted.
Starting point is 00:17:56 And he's 51 when he does this movie, and it's a hard 51. Like, he's lived some life. He's lived some Australian life. He said it was a character choice to pack on a few for this guy. Yeah, he might have already. packed it on. I would say, Rob, this wasn't quite his 22 Steph Warriors title.
Starting point is 00:18:14 But a little bit similar vibes of like, I'm still here. I'm still really good at stuff. Don't count me out. Yeah. I think he's more than still here. Like, this movie doesn't work without his like counterweight to everything. We just praised Gossling up and down. I think you need
Starting point is 00:18:29 the specificities of Crow's performance. I want to save some more about that for later. But I think he's just phenomenal. Me too. I mean, look, him and Gosselin are great together. Obviously, he peaked chemistry-wise the most with Caruso and Proof-A-Life. Yeah. We don't need to litigate that. No.
Starting point is 00:18:44 Stuff of legends. I really like that he was able to find chemistry with another actor, though. After, when you peek like that with Caruso. Yeah. To know that he could still do it again, I thought was cool. Yeah. So, like, he just makes some odd choices with what to do with his career that may be a matter of, like, what's offered to him versus, you know, what he wants to be doing.
Starting point is 00:19:05 I mean, it's more likely now that you'll see him in an exorcism. a movie, then you'll see him in a big drama. He's had a big, like, early 60s Renaissance. He's moved into this horror film kind of... But he's in Nuremberg, right? That came out this year, this past year. He's fantastic in this. He's such a great, rough, you know,
Starting point is 00:19:25 bully with a heart of gold, and he's the one with principals in this movie, to your point. I'm a big fan of the somebody opens the door and just gets punched right in the face, but I think always works from a comedic standpoint. Yeah, it's... It's...
Starting point is 00:19:39 So starting in 2010, Robin Hood, next three days, Republic of Doyle, man with the iron fist, Les Miserab, Broken City, Man of Steel, Winter's Tale,
Starting point is 00:19:49 Noah, the winter diviner, and fathers and daughters. That's six years. This was in the running for the biggest actor that we had in the early 2000s. It was Simondens out,
Starting point is 00:20:01 right? Yeah. I talked about this when we did gangster, but good comeback from him. Also, some really good stuff from the younger actors in this. How do we say Andre Rice?
Starting point is 00:20:10 Angori, I think. Angori Rice? Margo Kuali. I like Andre Rice, though. Andre Reis is in this. But Rice has a tremendous little kid performance in this. Amazing. And if you came out of this movie and you were like,
Starting point is 00:20:27 which of these two are going to have a bigger career, Rice or Kuali? I think Rice would have been like a minus 300 favorite. She's younger. She was in mayor of East Town. Yeah. Yeah. but Kwali, it's funny to watch her in this now because she's a major, major star.
Starting point is 00:20:43 I'm going to give Rice the Sasha Jenkins a word for the actor you can't believe that it would become a bigger star just from this movie. Yeah. There's still so much time, though. She's 25. Yeah, I don't even know.
Starting point is 00:20:54 No, she's 25. It still can happen. That's why she can't officially get it. And then our guy, Keith David, is in this CR. Great to see him. He said that guy to Craig. I get it. It's Keith David.
Starting point is 00:21:06 We're not going to litigate that either. I'm glad I didn't go to Detroit. He came back. Came back for the second turn in this movie. If you go to Michigan, we're cool. Yeah. The nice guys took inspiration from Brett Halliday's novel Blue Murder, which is a pulp book. You have this one?
Starting point is 00:21:23 I do not have this one. Yeah. I need to get this for the book collection. Yeah. Try to figure it out. Directed and co-written by Shane Black. You mentioned his credentials earlier. Last Boy Scout wrote, Last Action Arrow wrote, Long Kiss Can Night wrote,
Starting point is 00:21:35 created the Leaf Weapon franchise, wrote all of them, directed Kiss Kiss, bang, bang. Wrote and directed Iron Man 3, which was the most successful, was Walk Me Through Iron Man 3, what happens? The first two thirds are actually really good. The last third is like a bunch of action figures
Starting point is 00:21:49 mashing against each other. And the kid who finds Misty Mountains in this movie, the kid who discovers her in the beginning is the star of Iron Man 3. Really? Yeah, straight up. Interesting. Well, he started the script for this in 01.
Starting point is 00:22:02 It almost became a CBS TV series at some point. Mm-hmm. And then they changed this setting in 1977, and it fell into place as a movie eventually. TV series, I don't know if that one would have worked. It would have been a little early for the prestige TV run. Like, I could see this working, but I don't think you get Gosling and Crow to do this. Yeah, we'll talk more about what they should have done with this franchise later. I feel like the TV part is almost more believable than the idea that it wouldn't be a period piece.
Starting point is 00:22:29 Like trying to set this in 2016 or 2010 or something, I don't even know what that story is. It was just be guys sitting in traffic. Yeah. Well, it allows you a lot more fun, too, with 77 because you have way less rules and restrictions. So this movie, 50 million made 62.8. Barely made the money back. Gosling made the point over and over again about Angry Birds.
Starting point is 00:22:52 It also opened against Neighbards 2. Yeah. Which was a reprehensible sequel? Was that when comedy died, Craig? Neighbors 2. What year was that? Oh, that was 2016? Same year.
Starting point is 00:23:02 Yeah, that's bad. That might have been the, uh, Who were the additions to the neighbor's universe in that? Chloe Grace Moretz was in it because they flipped it. They made it a sorority. Yes. It's really bad. 115 minutes this movie, Craig?
Starting point is 00:23:15 Yeah, great. I'm not going to criticize this being over 100 minutes at all. This is like my favorite movie the last 10 years. Let's go. Good with me. So plus 15, you're good anyway. Fine. It's so tight.
Starting point is 00:23:25 The script is great. I have no notes. Okay. Did we don't do enough about Shane Black? Is he like a top five screenwriter for you? I think he's a hugely influential. and consequential of a skir-writer.
Starting point is 00:23:37 And him and Joe Esther Haas in the 80s kind of introduced this idea of like the million-dollar spec. Yeah. And he is really, really, really
Starting point is 00:23:46 maybe the best ever the buddy, the buddy movie. But you can tell he grew up on like the 48 hours type of movies and was just like this is going to be
Starting point is 00:23:56 my recipe. Sure. Just wise cracks and action and good set pieces. I'm going to nail this. He does break your heart. sometimes though.
Starting point is 00:24:05 Yeah. Like, they're either big hits like this. Or it's like, or it's like, play dirty. I don't know that I ever looked more forward to a movie than when he did a predator movie.
Starting point is 00:24:14 It really went wrong in a couple different ways. Does not work, unfortunately. Roger Ebert sadly passed away in 2016. You're gonna, or 2013. Disgrace yourself by asking ChatGPT. Don't do that.
Starting point is 00:24:27 What? Don't do that. I did. Chat, Chet BT said probably three and a half stars Roger had a strong appreciation for great comedic performances. I think he would have gone three.
Starting point is 00:24:40 I think he would have been like it's pretty convoluted. I think Shane Black was right about humanity. Just like we are the absolute shit. Just bottom of the barrel stuff. Chad GPTing Roger Ebert's opinion. Listen, we don't have Roger. We didn't have the review.
Starting point is 00:24:56 I would say three and a half, but I can see the three. Yeah. But I do think he would have really love Gosling. And I think he liked these goofy genre kind of movies like this. You gotta really want it with this movie because I do think you're right.
Starting point is 00:25:09 On first watch, you're probably a little confused by the plot and it's a little bit more confusing than the necessary. And then it's like the second, third, fourth time around where like, it's the line underneath the line or the sight gag happening in the background of a scene. Like Janet throwing the bowling ball backwards
Starting point is 00:25:27 that you're just like, holy shit, this is so funny. Fucking Janet. Well, but then dropping the dead body on the dinner table was funny the first time. Yes. But only escalates. Every time you see Sid Shaddock's body collapse that poor dinner party.
Starting point is 00:25:42 Poor Sid Shaddick. We're going to take a break and then we are going to do the categories. This episode is brought to you by Claude from Anthropic. You know that thing where you finish a movie and you immediately have to look up who directed it? What year it came out? How much money it made?
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Starting point is 00:27:15 I think the overhead helicopter shot is really cool, though, of the city. Yeah. They did that. And I like the house they landed on. They're these, like, these houses still exist, by the way. These houses that came, like, right out of the Brady Bunch. Sure. These, they're mostly in the valley.
Starting point is 00:27:30 they're usually one story and very rarely you go to a party or you drive by one or like for parents when you have kids in here like you have some sort of drop off or birthday party
Starting point is 00:27:41 or somebody's friend's house and you're like oh my God that house is like out of 1979 like their ranch style or always always the one story like sometimes like the circle
Starting point is 00:27:50 driveway in front they have a couple of those in these but very very like L.A. But I like that beginning. If you're out there and you've got a lead on one of these hitting you up I would like this house.
Starting point is 00:28:00 We'll live in Encino. The car going through the house wasn't nothing, though. That was a pretty good what the fuck is going on here. Just a great way to start a movie. Shane Black's really smart about like, we'll grab somebody's attention. Yes. Well, then we get a nude scene in this too.
Starting point is 00:28:13 If they weren't trying to grab your attention enough. If Van was here, he would be bringing this out. Even in the background, the shot of when the kid's at the sink and then you see the car tumbling down the hill in the background. It's really well done. The number of times I've tried to watch this on a plane, including in the in-flight entertainment, and I just have seen it so many times,
Starting point is 00:28:30 I forget about the full, like almost full frontal nudity in the first five minutes. And she's like, oh, I am, I am that guy sitting next to a child on a plane watching the opening scene of the nice guys. Well, thank God Van isn't here because this is about five minutes longer. Sure. We'll go to the next scene. Jackson beats up March. This includes the, we're going to play a game. It's called Shut Up unless you're me.
Starting point is 00:28:53 Good one to say to your kids, by the way. I don't know if you tried that with your children. Why did people go see this movie? It's unbelievable. I like that game. This will see, including like the tic-tac toe of Gosling trying to open the cookie jar and get the gun out and then getting punched in the face. It's just like this might be the most rewatchable scene. I mean, a discretionary revelation.
Starting point is 00:29:15 Well, we didn't mention before this scene, he punches through the window. Oh, my God. It's his arm open. I can watch him react to his bleeding wrist. So many tisers just like, that's a lot of blood. I like when he wraps it, like it's going to go really well. Tell him you have a spiral fracture, the left radio, followed by the high-pitched scream,
Starting point is 00:29:37 which is a really funny gossip. Gosling on the John in the bathroom with the gun and the sick and his pants down. Just hilarious. Great job by him. It's amazing. Plus Holly asking he'll eat a beat up, Janet. Yeah, the whole bowling alley scenes great.
Starting point is 00:29:53 Very good. I just, it's a small scene, but it fucking kills me. And it just be my kind of humor. but the little kid on the bike. Bill, this is the most rewatchful scene. Bragging about his dick? I mean, this is my big dick. You want to see it?
Starting point is 00:30:05 How many categories can this scene win? This kid, this scene? This is also every time, he's like, fucking Chet. When Chet goes, cost the guy his life and his life's work really makes your big. Not really, Chet. I offered to show my dick because I got a big dick. All right.
Starting point is 00:30:31 I love the kids perfectly cast, too, because he really has that. I have a big dick confidence, but he's just a 12-year-old on a bike. No one's named Hatrack. Can we give that kid the best fucking acting I've ever seen in my life or one? He's very good. Listen, Deon Waiter. It's unbelievable. It's a wrap.
Starting point is 00:30:49 $20? That kid's, like, up there with Jacob Tremblay. You know what I mean? Like, in terms of fucking young acting. How did anyone keep a straight face during that? I don't think they did. The bluepers of this movie must be insane. Oh, my God.
Starting point is 00:31:00 I would have been fucking dying. Oh, fuck. Like, how is he just saying this? The big porn party scene, which includes, sweetheart, how many times have I told you, don't say in stuff,
Starting point is 00:31:12 just say there are worse here. And then, you know why? They call them killer bees, don't you? They kill you. Goss and go over the deck is great. And the can't speak thing is funny. Everything is great.
Starting point is 00:31:29 I love the party. I like how weird it is. There's girls upside down. When he goes up to one of the dancers and he just says, you seem to have a very good vantage point up there. I lost my sister. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:31:42 I think this has to be the pick. The party? The porn party? Yeah. It's got the mermaids. Yeah. It's got a nice fight. It's got a bang and soundtrack.
Starting point is 00:31:49 It's got a fight. It's got a death. Like, it really has everything. It's got the roll down the hill. It was my pick too. A couple more, the dump of the body over the fence on the dinner party into the fight scene is good.
Starting point is 00:31:59 The hot tub. Shooting through the hot tub, I thought, was effective. That's a nice one. The elevator scene is short, but it's so fucking funny. I mean, it's definitely the most givable moment. Right before the door opens, he's like, Hitler only had one ball. Every Hitler joke in this movie works. They keep going back.
Starting point is 00:32:16 There's like eight of them. Yeah. But it was only 30 years prior, you know? He's really interested in Hitler. And then when it's going back down and Gosslings, like, vibrating. Eyes, like, twitching. It's like body falls down there. I love how scared March gets.
Starting point is 00:32:30 and violence. Yeah. Two more. The Nixon story when he finishes and he's like, so what's the point? There are two ways
Starting point is 00:32:38 to look at something why you just fucking say that? And then, but then they bring it back when Nixon's in the pool. Yeah, and then it pays off at the end of Nixon and the pool.
Starting point is 00:32:48 I don't know if this is a good podcast, but I'm having a really good time. Yeah, Gatsling and the fake porn movie and the auto, weird auto show. And there's, Parts of this that almost feel like one of those
Starting point is 00:33:01 SNL movies in the 90s, like how kind of wraps up. Like improv almost. Tommy Boy. Yeah. Like those kind of, oh, now all our characters are here. A little elevated version of it, but it's effective. So we all agree it's the porn party. Yeah, but I would say if you want
Starting point is 00:33:15 to know why this movie is so special, it's the chat scene with the kid being like, because I got a big kid. I just love me goes, all right? Just because it's like even that whole thing, they're standing in the ashes of a burned down house. Gosling lights a cigarette
Starting point is 00:33:31 and it's just like moving shit around and it's just like, what am I doing? You're so annoyed. Yeah. The most, we have to change this to the most 1997 thing about this movie, I think, which includes a gas shortage, killer bees in Brazil.
Starting point is 00:33:45 I actually remember when that happened. Yeah. Being little and being like, are we going to get killed by bees? It was a thing. It was a thing. That was a thing, huh? It was a real thing.
Starting point is 00:33:54 A killer with a mole named John Boy. Yeah. There's some sunset ball over barred stuff including the Tower Records, which is gone, but it was here when I moved here. And the comedy store of Robert Klein. And then the smog rallies. But I think it's John Boy, I think, is the winner for this.
Starting point is 00:34:09 Yeah, Phil rationing. Like, Craig, did you know who John Boy was? Yeah. I would also go for guys shaving in their cars. Hmm. The Waltz was a massive show in the 70s. Fair enough. It's really hard to explain now.
Starting point is 00:34:22 Yeah. I couldn't tell you one thing about it. Do you have you ever used it? My dad's family watched it. I never watched it. My dad's family was like a big wallton. Were you ever an electric razor guy? Like portable electric razor guy?
Starting point is 00:34:33 Yeah. But the number of people who still will walk around just using those things in public, not in their cars so much, but in public spaces you would be shocked. I like the idea of like doing a lot of shit in your car, like using the rear rear mirror because you're like, I just live in here. I got to shape up a little bit. Guy has a big electric razor guy in the car. Caught him a couple times.
Starting point is 00:34:53 As far as the 2016 part, we're about just like an R-rated comedy period. Yeah. Right. Like this year alone, 2016, we talked about neighbors too. Pop star, Deadpool, everybody wants some. Edge of 17, Swiss Army Man, sausage party, bad moms. Mike and Dave need wedding dates. Bridget Jones's baby.
Starting point is 00:35:09 Kianu, office Christmas party, How to Be Single, Dirty Grandpa, nice guys. We get maybe one of these? Like, it's just gone. It's all moved to horror. It's a genre that doesn't really exist anymore. The funny thing about all those movies you listed, my son was eight and then turn nine that year,
Starting point is 00:35:26 and I think we watched all of them. is at that I'm being dangerous with our rated comedy stage. So this is how I saw all those movies. One of my backup hottest takes was the action comedy is the thing the most people love
Starting point is 00:35:39 that is the hardest to make. The hardest to make, well, I can count on one hand successful action comedies over the last, like... You have to nail the one or two actors that are the weeds. It has to be found out of.
Starting point is 00:35:51 It's basically like this and Pineapple Express and, I don't know, can you think of any others? Of this century? Yeah, of like, truly an action comedy. Craig's working on a script right now of him and Bellany and Lucas going to the Oscars together and things go horribly wrong
Starting point is 00:36:06 at the Vanity Fair Party. It gets drone strike. They need that third act. You can get that down. Hot Fuzz? Yes. And I would say the Cordoach trilogy is probably right there. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:18 I think it'll come back because I think there's too many horror movies and not enough comedies right now. The other guys? Sure. More comedy than action? You're right. The other guys is hilarious. We put that in the poll. It was.
Starting point is 00:36:33 We thought maybe it had dark horse. I was hoping it might steal it. Yeah. I mean, it might be the best, like, opening gag of any comedy. Oh,
Starting point is 00:36:40 yeah. In terms of, like, the misdirect of what that movie is going to be coming out. Isn't the Derek Jeter thing? No, like them jumping off of the rooftop.
Starting point is 00:36:47 Right, right, right. Again, unbelievable. The Eva Mendez thing just is one of the funniest five minutes. It's one of the funniest of the century. Yeah. You're dressed like that. The Floyd gondale,
Starting point is 00:36:58 butter in my ass and lollipops, of my mouth award for something I just enjoy a great addition to the rewatch. Do you want me to throw the challenge flag? Because it's gondoli. Gondoli? Yeah, you said gondoli. You didn't bring the challenge flag. We needed one. He used my improv challenge flag.
Starting point is 00:37:13 We did this in the mailbag when I do a mispronunciation. A reader wanted, or Listern wanted Craig to actually throw a flag. We're going to need more flags. You say that? I think you would get really on tilt if we started throwing flags. You'd be like, hey, fuck you. I'm hard to host.
Starting point is 00:37:26 I have me kicked off this show for. me kicked off this show very quickly. I'm, dude, maybe two, maybe the third one is the flag. Craig, we think of Hal can take on the responsibility. I have for this, for my butter my ass a word. I think it's better when you mispronounce Godoli. Floyd Gondoli.
Starting point is 00:37:44 I think because I spelled it wrong. Gondoli. Yeah. Movies that organically end with the possibility that the main characters might reunite for a sequel. I know. But that's every movie now. No, but they do this in a way
Starting point is 00:38:00 where you're like, is there a second one coming? What's happening? It's not like, like neighbors, they didn't know neighbors too was happening when they made neighbors. No,
Starting point is 00:38:10 they were like, we learned our lesson. It's all over now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. In this one, it's kind of like, if this does well, do you want to do this in two years
Starting point is 00:38:19 were the vibes, and it just didn't happen. It's worth mentioning that the research suggests that these guys read the script instantaneously. We're like, I'll do it. does it.
Starting point is 00:38:29 Yeah. Yeah. And that it was like a pleasure to make for the most part. Like, it's a, like, it is a great shame that they never made another one. And that the advertisement for their detective agency was so great. I'm sorry. You look Filipino. Or Mexican.
Starting point is 00:38:46 Well, we never hear in the research where the guys like, I'll do it if Rob does it. Yeah. And then they go to Rob and he's like, nah, I don't want to be in it. Yeah, sure. No, no thanks. We never get like that in the research. Did you have a gondoli award? Barely functioning alcoholic private detective.
Starting point is 00:39:03 It works every time. Yeah. I had every time somebody in this movie trips holding a gun and just like shoot somebody. Yeah. That's how it always works for a movie. It's a great bit. Yeah, it's undefeated.
Starting point is 00:39:15 Special award, we don't get to give this too much. The Robert Duvall dressed like a priest and swinging and invasion of the body snatchers award for bizarre uncredited cameo. Yeah. Robert Downey is the dead guy. Sid. Sid, the bottom when he lights the... I had no idea until I did the research.
Starting point is 00:39:31 Did you guys know this? No. Yeah, I knew it from, but only from researching in the past of reading about the movie. Did you know this? I did not. It's like unmistakable once you know it. Of course, that looks like Robert Downey Jr. Yeah, Shane Black basically is the bridge to Downey, the Downey Sons,
Starting point is 00:39:45 where he does Kiss Kiss Kiss, Kiss, Bang with him, does Iron Man three together. And they couldn't get him... Couldn't they get him insured for Kiss Kiss Kiss, Bang? It was very hard if they did. In the mid-2000s, it was hard to do it. So if not for Shane Black, the Marvel Cinematic Universe never really happens. And nobody pushes back on Oppenheimer. Good slide.
Starting point is 00:40:02 Right. Right. Well, one thing with this, if I'm going to do an uncredited cameo in Rob's film, I'm probably not doing one where I have to wear a ton of makeup. It is surprising. I'd rather just have been like the bartender, like in the porn movie with Misty Mountains. Like just briefly you see me. Not like just covered with a gunshot wound and sitting outdoors for probably two days.
Starting point is 00:40:25 Yeah, you're doing a nice shoe. What's fun about that? You don't want to be the human statue? I would have said no to that one. What's age the best? We mentioned 70s L.A. as a setting. Young Margaret Quali, just what's happened in her in the last 10 years.
Starting point is 00:40:38 It's fun to see her in this. The don't say end stuff is just funny. Yeah. I don't know if that, is that caught on in real life? It should have. All right.
Starting point is 00:40:46 Maybe there's still time. Marriage is buying a house for someone you hate. Remember that. stuff. Is there still time for high school yearbook quotes? We should probably throw that in there for the kids out there. Russell Crow and the research claiming he put on some extra weight for Jackson Haley. That's amazing.
Starting point is 00:41:07 I love that. That's like when Shaq would come back from this summer or the Lakers would be like, I put on some extra weight. I'm going to lose it as the year goes along. It's like, okay, Shaq. I lost my hair right when we went on video because I thought it would be good at this. It's good comedy. A crow basing arena didn't do anything for you?
Starting point is 00:41:24 It did not. I have to admit. She's coming up in later categories. Love the original. This one, I don't know. And then some Hall of Fame lines that we covered. Like, shut up unless you're me. I'm sorry, you're like Filipino and so on.
Starting point is 00:41:39 And then there's a fantasy criteria orgasm in this where Gosling's doing Lou Costello with a not being able to talk. That's like a famous 1930s gag. So what did you have for what's age of us? C.D. Los Angeles. So porn and strip clubs, dive bars, hotel bars. It seemed awesome.
Starting point is 00:42:01 I loved the setup of the Burbank Airport Hotel, where it's like the flight deck bar. So there's like a dive bar in the first floor, but then there's also like a penthouse bar. It seemed like a lot of hotel bars, two movie theaters, adult bookstores, and just kind of creepy places. Yeah, it's just a great rendition of it. I also really enjoy the runners that they have. So like the jokes that keep appearing in the movie, number one being Janet and just like how much everybody hates Janet. Or also like, is it Janet or Jessica?
Starting point is 00:42:37 It's like, God, Jessica's sister is a slush. Jessica's a slut. Also, when they're trying to figure out how to wake up Amelia, Jessica's like, we could just hit her really hard. Jessica's stealth MVP of this movie to be honest. It's just really funny to hear Ryan Gosling talk about kids like they're adults. Right. And so that that is definitely.
Starting point is 00:43:00 That's a good what's age the best for this, treating kids like adults in the 70s. Because by the way, that's what we did in the 70s. He drives, his daughter drives. No one talks about it. The whole movie. No, you just have a 12-year-old babysit five other kids and be out for six hours. My other what's age of the best is Hannibal Burris as the killer B in the back seat when he falls asleep while he's driving. This movie's fucking great.
Starting point is 00:43:23 What do you have, Rob? Being suspicious of major corporations. Yeah. Maybe they don't have our best interest at heart. Possible. It's a big theme these days. Did you guys feel like the catalytic converter, Detroit layer of this movie was like a little bit too...
Starting point is 00:43:39 It's like putting a little bit too much garnish on the sandwich. It's really great. There's the missing girl. There's the porn stuff. There's all this like conspiracy. but then you add on Detroit Auto Makers being the main villain of it. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:43:54 It's all, you know. They're going for it. They are. I like it because it perpetuates humor. Right? Like because you, then you get to lean into the smog stuff, then you get the protesters with the gas mask.
Starting point is 00:44:05 It's like, because they're poking fun at it the whole time, like that's why I think it works. And you get Gosling saying, we're all going to be driving Japanese going to cars in five years. You have any of the West? Gosling himself.
Starting point is 00:44:17 I mean, like, He was a star then, but he is something else now. Yeah. Great shot Gorda. Keith David hitting the pool deck. Oh, and he just turns into red? Yeah, yeah. But just that o' red shot of gozzling and him falling, yeah.
Starting point is 00:44:32 I like that. Chess Rockwell, Brocklanders were a best character name. We don't always give this out, but we do it, Misty Mountains and John Boy. Just a killer named John Boy was really smart. I like it. And Missy Mountains is like, if you have to come up with a Christy Canyon suit in, that's great. Pretty easy. What about pornuccio?
Starting point is 00:44:50 Yeah. I mean, the man from the billboard himself, we see him in the fly, well, in the wood. Like, it's not his nose that gross. Amanda Dobbins Award for Best Piece of Real Estate. We don't get to give this out all the time, but Sid Shattuck's house
Starting point is 00:45:06 was the Atlanta home of hip-hop producer Dallas Austin. Wow. Also featured at MTV Cribs. So a true Dobbins Award. Yeah. And Atlanta as L.A. A. Full-scale Dobbins for this one.
Starting point is 00:45:17 I like Gosling's house too. Yeah. Yeah. Kid Cuddy Pursuit a Happiness Word for Best Needle Drop. We can either go with Kiss. I want a rock and roll or night or America a horse with no name. Oh, I had get down on it. The Cool and the Gang, which is the song playing at the porn party. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Let's we get September at the porn party. Also, like Al-Green closing credits. I like that. Al-Gree closing credits is awesome. Bands playing on the roof of a party is pretty cool. Pretty cool. What do you have for your flex? Okay. So I have a couple. I'm going to go. with um it's a book about medals award for belatedly best quote is at the uh clean air protest when gosling goes which one of you cock and balls once 20 bucks i kind of wish you would just like walk out into the bullpen of the ringer and say that maybe our new sycamber studio i'll just do
Starting point is 00:46:09 that once a month Sean pen i brought my own back award goes to gosling and the he got game hooker scene most awkward scene if somebody randomly walks in is when holly is watching porn with the adult film actress. Talking about anal. Yeah. Yeah. And stuff. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:24 And stuff. Those are good. Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film. I don't know. I like this movie. I struggled. I came up with one,
Starting point is 00:46:35 but I don't feel great about it. Let's talk this out. Yeah. Is this movie better, worse, or the same if Holly stays home for like half the adventures that they go on?
Starting point is 00:46:44 So it's interesting because I had her as the weak link too, even though I liked the performance. I like the performance. I had a different angle on it, though. The incredibly savvy 13-year-old girl with the heart of gold, it's a little bit of movie tropey. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:46:58 What's the purpose? These people don't really exist. I mean, I think the purpose is to nudge Healy, right? To nudge Russell Crow's character. Right. Because if she's not around, he's murdering everybody they run into. And so, like, the turn of the heart of the movie, I think, comes through her being there and him stopping. It is weird that the two people she wants to save her John Boy and Blueface.
Starting point is 00:47:18 Right. This is like, these two guys really almost killed you. Yeah, Blueface tried to shoot her. Yeah. Yeah. What did you have for Weeklink? Do you have one? I think this is Kim Basinger.
Starting point is 00:47:27 I had her in a later category. She's the one thing in this movie that's like a little off register that kind of takes me out of it. And it's like clearly she can do the genre. Yes. But in this mode, in this kind of part, she sticks out a little bit. It's tough because you wonder whether or not she did like four days on the movie. Because she's in two scenes, basically. And they were like, yeah, here it is.
Starting point is 00:47:46 And she had no idea. how zany the rest of the movie was. She's in a... Honestly, you could give her... I had her for Wood's Age to Worst. You could give her in the... Let's see, where'd we have, the Judd Nelson, New Jack City.
Starting point is 00:47:57 I'm in a different movie. She's just... Every time she's in the movie, it's another movie's happening. Yeah. I think what makes it more noticeable is Tally Yaya Ad Costa. Like, she feels of a piece
Starting point is 00:48:07 of everything that's happening. And so then the contrast between her and Kim Basinger is just like that much more stark. So jump in ahead. We can come back to this. But I had for recasting couch trying to figure out
Starting point is 00:48:17 who would have been a good Kim baser in part for this. Oh, good. Because I think, I do think it's got to be somebody who's a little bit funny, but you don't want to go like Sean Young, Ace Ventura, like, over the top. But I think it's got to be somebody that's got a little sauce to them. She just doesn't have sauce. Who's your idea? I had a lot of trouble figuring it out.
Starting point is 00:48:39 Because it would have to have been, they wanted somebody like probably in their mid-50s at the time, right? But somebody that was famous. So it's somebody, it's really like, Maryland. Strip in the early 2000s. You think Holly Hunter would be too old? I don't mind that. Holly Hunter is a good one. Holly Hunter, Francis McDormon, not that Francis McDormon probably wouldn't...
Starting point is 00:48:58 Honestly, Francis McDormon would be amazing. She would be really good. I always feel like Diane Lane could have needed a part like this, but I also love Diane Lane. Sure. I might be wrong. Sharon Stone, I think, was probably a little too old at this point in 2016, but in the mid-2000s, I think would have been really good.
Starting point is 00:49:14 It's got to be somebody who was sexy, older, but also. had some comedy chops. Did me more? I was wondering about, like, do we just do we collapse the spacetime continuum and just make Demi more Margarquale's mom? I wonder if she does something similar to what Basinger does, where it's kind of like...
Starting point is 00:49:31 What kind of comedy is she done, though? I don't know. I can't think of it. Would it be too meta to just do Andy McDowell? Oh, Rob! Like, it's right there. Like, could we just do that? You fucking did it. You redeemed yourself
Starting point is 00:49:45 for the Nirvana episode. Yeah, Andy McDowell can do comedy. Oh, that's a great idea. Why didn't they do that? I don't know. I mean, maybe this is at the point of Margaret Quali's career where she doesn't want that, too. But maybe if it happens now, you can see it.
Starting point is 00:50:00 Yeah, because they've made a movie together since I think so. Yeah. It's a really good point that it doesn't seem like Basinger knows what movie she's in. Because she's just playing it straight and there's no extra sauce to it at all. I just don't really get it. I don't get what they're trying to get out of it. You don't know when they filmed it. They could have filmed that scene earlier in the movie.
Starting point is 00:50:17 and then it got way zanier throughout the filmmaking. Because when you watch the behind the scenes, the making of, even Matt Bowmer, who plays John Boy, is like, this movie's fucking funny. Like, that's the thing you got to know about it. And Kim Basinger just seems to be like, you know, it's a very complicated story
Starting point is 00:50:30 about L.A. and crime. Yeah, I love Shane Black's writing. Yeah, she thinks she's in L.A. confidential again. Any other What's Age the Worst? I had trouble finding what's age the worst, because I think this movie's age really well. And it's also set in the 70s when it's supposed to age badly. The only thing I had was there is an,
Starting point is 00:50:47 element of dead of thieves downtown Atlanta to some of the exterior shots of LA so like the vibe is always great but sometimes you can tell like the streets are a little too narrow or there's too much you know like foliage in different places like when you're watching Den of Thieves
Starting point is 00:51:03 you can tell that's not Gardena and like you know. So you've seen Dan and thieves a couple times I've seen Den of Thieves and they shot this in downtown Atlanta. Do you have any of Wood's age of course? It's a perfect movie. Hans Gruber scale villain ranking Blueface is like at nine even though he's really in it.
Starting point is 00:51:18 John Boy is solid. John Boy, I thought, was like at least a seven and a half. Let me ask you something, though. John Boy, it's like, it's kind of like, are you expecting a little bit more, a little bit of Darren Peterson vibes from John Boy
Starting point is 00:51:31 where you're like, I'm hearing all about this guy getting off the plane from New York. He's the baddest motherfucker ever. Yeah, how come you've missed 200 shots? Yeah. He does miss a lot of shots. He got taken out by two teenage girls pretty quickly.
Starting point is 00:51:42 I'm foxed. But he is menacing. Like, he is creepy. And I say this with, full acknowledgement, like, look, I don't want to put this out there, but I literally have the same haircut as him. So it's not a great energy that we're putting out in the world. But he shows up
Starting point is 00:51:54 and he's definitely serves the intended effect. John Boy. Great name for a villain. Ruffalo, Hannah Rubid and Perchard drove her acting a word. Blueface dialing it up the whole time. The whole time. And then Kwali has that one monologue when she's like, it's not a poor!
Starting point is 00:52:11 Just like start screaming for some reason. So it's one of those two. Rob, you have a flex. I do. I went with the Rick Sissetti Guard Mead Award. Most memorable Death by a Security Guard or other bystander the movie treats as inconsequential as a spouse and kids who love them. Specifically, there is a hardworking actor out there
Starting point is 00:52:28 in Hollywood. Got a job. It's not the best job, but it paid. They showed up. They're just trying to support their family. Your job is to be a tree man at this porn party on stilts. The tree man. And you're just taking straight, like it just takes a stray bullet to the chest
Starting point is 00:52:44 on what otherwise was like a normal job. And your family, you have a mask on as you die or a helmet, whatever the fuck he's got on. Imagine being that guy's
Starting point is 00:52:54 wife who then has to explain. Do you think he gets a sad card for doing that? Identify the body. Oh, my God. That's a good one. We'll take one more break
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Starting point is 00:54:18 overrated to work. What do you have for how to take CR? We should be actively awaiting the third movie of this series right now and not pining for it when people get interviewed for other movies that they're in. It's ridiculous. This is such an enjoyable movie. You could kick it ahead five years and do like 1982 nice guys. Like, what are we doing?
Starting point is 00:54:38 Why can't we make more movies like this and more? So you could do mid-80s at least. You could do like Simpson-Bruckheimer, height of the cocaine Hollywood era and just run it back. I can't remember the actual literal title, but they were like what we would do is go to Mexico. It would be nice guys in Mexico, which would have just been like, come on, man.
Starting point is 00:54:59 I'm still trying to decide who to blame. Like, we know the Angry Birds are to blame, but I'm willing to back it up. Like, Steve Jobs introduces the iPhone. Seriously? American civilization nosedives, including the creation of the games that become Angry Birds that then outgross nice guys at the box office.
Starting point is 00:55:16 Neighbors, too. I think I blame neighbors. his neighbors too. But neighbors too for a lot of stuff. God's thing's so famous now that I just feel like he could say, hey, it's time. I want to do nice guys too.
Starting point is 00:55:27 Are they really saying no to that? If he wanted to, he could. Like a streamer is going to be like, no, we're not funny. I mean, David Ellison now owns Warner Brothers who made this movie. Ellison, I feel like being into this. You think so?
Starting point is 00:55:36 Yeah. Yeah, his taste seems to... He's depraved enough. Dave's got some edgy taste. I think he likes buddy cop stuff. You think he's like, this jet joke was... It's like, could we get the kid with the big dick?
Starting point is 00:55:47 again. What do you have for how to stake? We talked about Gosling. He's on fire in this movie. I think this is the best that Russell Crow has ever been. Period. No. I'm sorry during Sierra Month. I don't mean to do this. More than the insider? That is... So that to me is the only real competition. That take is...
Starting point is 00:56:03 George. You're really good at this guy. So he is... Oh my God. He is the action star of this movie. Like, he is in every fight. He is in every shootout. He's genuinely hilarious in terms of... Like, he's getting a chance to play a role. never allowed to play, which is this sort of comedic role. And he's the beating heart that, like, rounds out the whole movie and makes it, to me,
Starting point is 00:56:24 a rewatchable. Like, if this is just depraved and funny, that's nice and you move on. But it's like, it does have a feel-good element that comes from him. And I think he is the piece that kind of brings it all together in a way that even Gosling doesn't. It's hard for me to get too mad at that when I think Proof-Life was his apex-bound. Interesting take, though. I think what's missing is, like, there was a time, like,
Starting point is 00:56:47 way earlier when you know, he was a really handsome, like, leading man, but also, like, Gladiator Russell Crow. Yeah. I just don't think there's a lot of people who could have been gladiator Russell Crow. You don't think so? No, I don't.
Starting point is 00:56:59 I think he kind of gets dog walked by Joaquin in that movie, to be honest with you. Really? Like, he's good, he's really good in it. Dog walks? They're only in two scenes together. No, but in terms of, like, who is owning the presence of that movie. He, like, and look, a lot of it's just character.
Starting point is 00:57:14 He's playing a pretty straightforward, like, hero's journey, go and fight the big. big fight, like Avenger family, all of that stuff. Right. There's not a lot for him to do this exciting. And he holds it, and he's good in it. But like, should he have won best actor for Gladiator? Did he win for that one or a beautiful mind?
Starting point is 00:57:30 He went for both. Didn't he? No, he only won't. I think he went for Gladiator. Yeah, he went for Gladiator. I don't know. Maximus was pretty great. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:39 Where do you stand on this, Craig? Are you gladiator guy, Greg? Craig? I'm closer to Rob on this, to be honest, about Gladiator and Crow. It's a traditional role. It's a little limited. It's a generational thing. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:57:50 I do think Insider is, that's the one. If you're going to pick something, it's not this. On my command, unleash hell, you're not like, let's go. Let's do it. I'm like, let's go. I'm like, let's do it. I'd still be like, let's go. I think I would.
Starting point is 00:58:02 He only won for Gladiator, not Beautiful Mind. I feel like Concepcion's going to just dive through the window right now. Tack Rob. My hottest take was also Rosa Crow related. I think he was the Shaquille O'Neal of actors. Hall of Fame potential. You could see it. early in the 90s.
Starting point is 00:58:18 Like, this guy, something's going to happen. Even goes head to head with Denzel. Career Apex from 2000 to 2002, just like Shaq, three finals MVP's for Shaq. Three best actor nominations in a row in a win for Russ.
Starting point is 00:58:31 Crazy. Should have won a couple more MVP's. Kind of didn't totally want it. A little sideways. Couldn't really stay in a shape, which was like a Shaq thing. I think nice guys and the Miami title
Starting point is 00:58:44 as the sidekick with Wade. That's a really good one. Like a combo of that. And I still think he's a Pantheon guy from the last 50 years. But I feel like he left a little on the table. It's an 11-year run. I felt like it could have been longer. Teased this analogy out.
Starting point is 00:58:58 That means last night, Russell Crowe went live right after the Oscars. It was like, Michael B. Jordan, mate. Could have done a little bit more to impress me. Playing twins, I did that. I did that. We didn't even have special effects. You forgot budding musical careers, too. That's right.
Starting point is 00:59:18 Very important part of the other stories. Kind of has a little bit of the Billy Bob Thornton like kind of more interested in rocking out than acting maybe. Who to blame him? I know. Casting what ifs? None.
Starting point is 00:59:29 It's too early. The movie just came out. And also, would you really change that much other than Basinger? The big one, the big one was that the mailing the scripts to the two guys and then being like, how many if he's in, which doesn't really seem to happen that often. Best that guy word for the casuals, Keith David. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:44 Stealth. Bo Nap? Mm-hmm. who plays blueface? He's one of those guys? I didn't even know where he's from. I had Lois Smith as the old lady with the Coke bottle glasses.
Starting point is 00:59:54 On Meg from Twister. Yeah. Oh, that's who that was? Yeah. That's a good one. I do think, is Boathe is not just doing Sasha Baron Cohen as Blueface?
Starting point is 01:00:04 Is that not like the energy? I still think this movie comes on. Is Sasha Baron Cohen in this movie? Apparently not. Dion Waiters. Muriel Tello is Misty Mountains. Blueface Keep going
Starting point is 01:00:18 But it's the little It's like the big dick It's names Lance Valentine Is that what is that His name is? He's only in one scene, right? Perfect Dion Legendary Dion performance
Starting point is 01:00:30 We did recasting couch Unless you guys have anything else for that Oh Craig, you have a flex So I created a new category I just think no one knows how to open a movie And set the tone quite like Shane Black And it made me think of when Kobe Bryant plowed through Pau Gasol
Starting point is 01:00:45 on the Redeem team, which is like Misty Mountains plowing through the home to start this movie. And if you go back and you look through Shane Black's movies, lethal weapon starts with the naked stripper
Starting point is 01:00:55 committing suicide off the hotel. Yeah. Last Boy Scout starts with the football player pulls out the pistol, shoots the guy before scoring the touchdown, and you have this movie. So I think it's the Kobe Bryant shoving Powell Gassal Award
Starting point is 01:01:07 for the best tone setting opening move and Shane Black has the belt right now. Wow. He's also just like, if you read his scripts, they'd grab you by the little They're like, keep reading. Also, I love when an opening scene, I guess this is my gondoli,
Starting point is 01:01:19 I love when an opening scene has characters that aren't involved with the rest of the movie. It's just like a tight, like a cold-opage. There's so many of those throughout this movie, too. Like the two women who walk by at the porn party being like, well, if he wanted me to do that, he shouldn't eat in the asparagus. It's just like, that's happening constantly in this movie. It's great at it.
Starting point is 01:01:39 Half-Fest internet research, not a lot at this point. We had the Atlanta thing. Russell Crowe said it was one of two films where wish there was a sequel. He said this on Howard Stern. The other was LA Confidential, which ironically we were doing next week here in the rewatchables.
Starting point is 01:01:52 Unintentional that this happened. The book, Holly, we was reading from, is called A Catamon the Pigeons by Agatha Christie. That was really all, otherwise we mentioned... I did, like, you mentioned the Abin-Costello thing earlier with Gosling. And the part of it that I liked was
Starting point is 01:02:07 the reason he got into Abin and Costello is because his parents wouldn't pay for Blockbuster. So the only movies he could get were from the public library, found Abbotic Nuselow. Interesting. Apex Mountain, crow, I guess for Rob and nobody else.
Starting point is 01:02:21 For me personally. Gosling with this in La La Land, I think we're here. This is the definition of it, right? It's not quite Wang Chung Apex Mountain, but it's Apex Mountain. But again, I'm perpetually... You missed the Wang Chung combo in the last episode.
Starting point is 01:02:34 Well, I'm just confused by this category, regardless of any Wang Chung happening. Wang Chung's 1985 was the all-time Apex Mountain that's ever happened. Yeah. Yeah. It's the Apex of Apex Mountain. It's now Wang Chung's Apex Mountain, like the SoFi Stadium.
Starting point is 01:02:47 I'm glad for the branding. Does he not have more cachet post-Barby than after a while? So this gets into what kind of apex mountain? What kind of mountain do you like being on? Is it when it seems like it's all out in front of you, or are you just at the height of your earning potential? In the mailbag, we had a mathematician right in about the post-Apex. You can actually, it's kind of the, you've still got it,
Starting point is 01:03:11 combined with maybe you were higher, but it wasn't quite Apex Mountain, but it was like, you actually, it was like the Curry 2020, basically. So Barbie was probably that for Gosling. Do you think you'll go see Project Tail Mary? My son wants to see it,
Starting point is 01:03:26 so it's in play. Okay. But then he'll be like, yeah, I saw it less than my girlfriend, sorry. What's the hold of? Just the sci-fi? That's what's keeping you out.
Starting point is 01:03:34 No, I want to see it. There's a really good buzz on it. Yeah. You haven't seen it, right? I'm seeing it tonight. Nice. Two hours and 45 minutes. Oh, look at the big boy.
Starting point is 01:03:41 What is he saying? Look at the three pre-brain-off, Fred. Man, I fucked that up. Apex Mountain for 1977, just in general, is the greatest year we've ever produced in the world. I was bored that year. What a great year. Star Wars.
Starting point is 01:03:56 Pretty good. A lot of good stuff. Reggie Jackson. Yeah. Keith David fight scenes, sadly, no. It's still they live. That's an amazing one, no. No, that's not him.
Starting point is 01:04:07 Xavier Brooks? You're talking about in the alley? Did I just do the thing where I confused Keith? David and Avery Brooks? Keith David is in... They live. Keith David's and they live. It was Keith David.
Starting point is 01:04:15 Why? You look at me like I was crazy. I didn't. Keith David and Rodney Piper. It was him, Bill, not me. First of all, I didn't say anything. You second-guessed yourself. I did.
Starting point is 01:04:24 I said guess myself. It's Keith David and they live. Keith David is in the thing. That's still the winner. Yeah. Yeah. Shane Black? Probably...
Starting point is 01:04:30 No. Don't think this. Iron Man 3? I mean, Iron Man 3, but nothing kind of happened after that. I would say writing lethal weapon. Yeah. One of the lethal weapons, I would think.
Starting point is 01:04:39 So lethal weapon one? is his Apex Mountain, I think. Anguri Rice? I hope not. Yeah. Too early to say. Quality, too early to say. Dad, daughter, movies, probably not.
Starting point is 01:04:50 No. Basing or no. The 1978 Auto Show, I think it might have been. For sure. Yeah, not a lot of talk about that show other than this. John Boy and the Waltons, probably still the Waltons. I think so. Which was the number one show for like five years.
Starting point is 01:05:03 More than the nice guys? Yeah. Fair. Breaking a window going wrong? Might have been the peak. I can't think of another example As funny as it gets for sure 1967 Red Mustangs
Starting point is 01:05:15 with a white convertible top Yep For a movie, pretty good Retro porn portraits Boogie Dance Yeah Cruiser Hanks Cruise as John Boy
Starting point is 01:05:26 Like he just shows You don't see him With like a bad wig He has like five lines It would be better if he would play Shattuck Shattuck would be funny too Yeah cruise in one of these Supporting parts who you hear about
Starting point is 01:05:38 and then just shows up, could Hanks have been Russell Crowe's character? I had Hanks for Holland March at a different time in his life. It's kind of like right after the punchline. Oh, like late 80s? Yeah, late 80s, Hanks. He could do that.
Starting point is 01:05:50 I like Cruz for John Boy. I think that has my vote. I think it would be fun. You down with that, Craig? But the official winner we're saying is Hanks for the lead role. Yeah, Hanks. In terms of a lead role.
Starting point is 01:05:59 Scorsesee or Spielberg, clearly Scorsese. Definitely. Way more coke at the party. Yes. And we probably would have, I don't know, tops from the Rolling Stones.
Starting point is 01:06:07 No, no daughter because you just want to get way darker, way more fucked up. Has people ever done something like as getting his hands dirty as this? I can't think of anything. Best hang, worst hang. I mean, ironically, Gossling's daughter in this movie is probably the best hang of all these people. Blueface is the worst hang. Blueface is the worst hang. Blueface would be awful.
Starting point is 01:06:29 I would spend the night hanging out with Gosling in a bar. That'd be a lot of fun. I would hang out with Amelia. Like, I am one legal substance away from being. very on board to her big speech about her mom and like
Starting point is 01:06:41 Mammon is her god I'm on board for that worst saying Chet Chet I like Chet You talk about the projector I'm in the industry I'm a projectionalist
Starting point is 01:06:55 I'm a projectionalist Come on guy Pickin Nits 13 year old kids driving I'm not even sure this was happening in 1977 Especially with manual steering
Starting point is 01:07:04 Yeah that was That would have been tough Do you have the upper body strength to control a car like that? It's a choice. How did Amelia land on their car and not, like, die immediately? How far did she fall?
Starting point is 01:07:15 Just had questions about that. The camera kind of pans up. There's a fire escape. She climbs down. She climbs down and hops. Yeah. It's probably a 15-foot jump. But she's putting in a lot of mileage
Starting point is 01:07:25 in this movie barefoot. Yeah. Like, just running all over the city. And I think that dress is probably a lot more banged up after three days. I think there's probably some coffee on it and all kinds of things.
Starting point is 01:07:36 How did they so easily get into Misty Mountain's house a couple days after the murder and why was all the evidence just still sitting there? Well, they have her aunt with them. Yeah. I know, but when they picked up like specific evidence of people that were in her life and brought it to, or did that just not how they did in 1977? I mean, there was a handwritten note from Chet just sitting there.
Starting point is 01:07:55 Yeah, wouldn't they have brought that into the station? Unless that's post. It also gets into just a complete absence of cops in this movie. They show up a couple times. Way after the fact and never detaining. Right. That's true. Jackson in March
Starting point is 01:08:07 despite the fact that there's like seven dead bodies. How do they never go to prison in this movie? I don't know. That could have been nice guys three
Starting point is 01:08:14 going to jail. He can't smell. They joke. Did you know what a nose Mia was? I did not. Was that real? Who knows if that's real or not?
Starting point is 01:08:24 But his daughter kind of says this is why mom died because he couldn't smell. Oh, because of the gas leak. Yeah. But you can't smell a gas leak. I don't think.
Starting point is 01:08:33 I still enjoyed it. To me, that's the very like gremlins to my dad died coming down the chimney as Santa kind of like weird anecdote into tragic backstory that I can definitely appreciate. I have one more but did you have any nitpicks? No, we kind of hit most of them with what's age the worst. I think that the thing I would nitpick the most at is the slightly like convoluted plot.
Starting point is 01:08:56 Like that kind of thing with like obviously she saw the movie that they were watching which means there's another movie which means we have to go. She was watching it on the wall. I think Healy pulling together the whole case because he saw a suit on a rack in the office that one time is like maybe a bit much but it feeds into something I really like about this movie which is they basically never catch a break because they're good they basically always catch a break because they're lucky
Starting point is 01:09:20 like Amelia literally falls on their car and that kind of stuff is happening constantly and there's a lack of heroism in the movie in the sense that like they don't save Amelia no she's very unceremoniously dispatched by job that was one of the things I like was it's really is shocking when she gets shot. Yeah. But is that kind of movie?
Starting point is 01:09:37 It's the kind of movie where not only is she going to get shot, it's not going to cut away. Like, you were just going to see her in cold blood get murdered and left in the street. It's also good because it makes like Angori Rice's character being present for all of it a little bit more dangerous because like that can happen retroactively. Yeah. This is my big one.
Starting point is 01:09:53 Craig, this is why I'm a hall of famer, this next nitpick. Gossing twice in the movie is in a body of water. and then smokes a cigarette like five minutes later. Those cigarettes are wet. Not lighting. No chance.
Starting point is 01:10:09 Oh, it's pack. Yeah, his pack in his pocket. Done. It's a wrap. That thing's not lighting. So he's in the tank with the mermaids. But he's like in boxers in that. What's the second body of water?
Starting point is 01:10:19 When he falls into the pool. Oh, yeah, that one is cooked. There's no fucking way he's lighting the cigarette. Yeah. So that whole pack's a wrap. They're soggy. They're falling apart. But they'll sometimes.
Starting point is 01:10:30 Sometimes we need the cigarette consultancy company. You just win. That's true. Sometimes you just win. And also, he can't die. That's the revelation. Sequel, prequel, prestige, Chbill, Blackcast, are untouchables.
Starting point is 01:10:43 So the idea you mentioned, Chris, was nice guys, too, Mexican detectives. Yeah. That's what Crow and Gosling wanted to do. That's a billion-dollar idea. Come on. I also would accept if they did this the way
Starting point is 01:10:54 that Netflix did Sherlock, where it's just like once every like three or four years, they just do a three-episode thing. That would be awesome. Well, this is, happened a couple of times in movies. And I'm pretty sure it happened with Anchorman, because I don't think Anchorman
Starting point is 01:11:06 crushed it at the box office. But then became beloved over the next couple years to the point where we're like, why don't we do Anchorman 2? That'll fucking crush. Yeah. This happened with Austin Powers, too. Sure. The first one did okay. It wasn't great, but became a cult movie.
Starting point is 01:11:22 And then two was a monster. Nice guys, too, would just be bigger. It would be, but I would worry at this point, Crow might be a little long in the tooth to do it. I think the only reason that could work is because it, is kind of the movie. Sure. They're so run down
Starting point is 01:11:35 that however many years passed before they make it, it could kind of fit who these guys are. It's kind of sacrilege, but could you do this and not have them as the partners? I don't think it's the same.
Starting point is 01:11:45 Could you have Gosling? Could you have Crow, like, retired, getting sucked back in? But there's a new partner and there's three people on that too? No, I don't think it works. I hope not.
Starting point is 01:11:53 And that's exactly what they would do. They would put a younger person with them. Who's in it? Who's the young? Is this like a Miles Teller? I wish I didn't bring this up. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the florist, Zane Lowe, Robert Lojia, or anybody else?
Starting point is 01:12:12 What do you think he are? Zane Lowe interviewing John Boy? Man, you're Jenny here from New York City. Everybody's talking about it here in the streets of Los Angeles. You're named after a Walton character, but what are you going to do to forge your own character? Sure, you have a mall. Sure.
Starting point is 01:12:29 And that some people would look that as a handicap. But man, it's your power. I see that as your power. Again, South African. I can't stop making Zainlo's South African. Maybe we should have you as Leo and Blood Diamond as Zane Low. Maybe you just combine the two. I don't know.
Starting point is 01:12:49 I don't know what to say. It's really something. Is Blood Diamond are rewatchable for you? Didn't we do Blood Diamond? We didn't. 20 year anniversary. Wait a second. Yes, we did.
Starting point is 01:13:00 Yeah, we have. Yeah, we've done Blood Diamond, dude. We have. Because the AIDS thing. Are you sure we did it? Yeah, we had a whole conversation about whether he's HIV positive in this movie.
Starting point is 01:13:08 Hold on, I got to find out when we did it because... Spoiler alert, yes. Blood time is. We definitely did. It's June 2023. This is so in the bill zone of like, I don't remember this.
Starting point is 01:13:20 No, but I usually don't remember 2000 and 2021 because the COVID vaccine. Sure. But 23, I remember. Not because you chose to podcast eight times a week during COVID.
Starting point is 01:13:32 What else were we going to do? be with our families. Wow, we did that three years ago. Who do we do it with? I think it might have just been you and me. It was. Yeah. Wow, I'm going to have to listen to that.
Starting point is 01:13:41 That sounds great. I think I remember Sean's face when I told him we were doing blood diamond. And he's like, cool. Like bummed out he wasn't on it or thought it was. That must have been it. It probably was a little bit of both. But he was, and then I remember telling him like, yeah, Bill and I really tried to unpack whether Danny Archer has HIV in that movie.
Starting point is 01:13:59 And I was like, cool. Glad I skipped that one. Yeah, now I remember. it. God, which is so many podcasts. We really are. Then 427, 28 rewatchables. Talking about Joel Mbid and Luca,
Starting point is 01:14:14 whether he can put it together and bam out of bioscoring 83 points. It all blends together after a while. Who is the most name-checked non-Seltics player on the rewatchables, do you think? That's a really good question. Joel, I feel like might be up there. Just for the antagonism below.
Starting point is 01:14:28 You're just prodding. He brings it up once a month where he'll just be like, oh, this would be like if Embed could actually play five games in a row. It's honestly probably probably Jordan, right? Yeah, I guess so.
Starting point is 01:14:40 Like mentioning different like Jordan kind of parallels and things. Makes sense? It'd be interesting. Someday we'll have AI and we'll just be able to ask AI and it'll just listen to
Starting point is 01:14:48 every rewatchable in one second and then be like, it was actually Shaquille O'Neill. And the AI will speak like Roger Ebert. Yeah. He'll speak like,
Starting point is 01:14:58 kill me. Guy crossed with Zane Love. Yeah. Just one Oscar who gets it. Gosling. Gosling. Scrib? That's probably the second.
Starting point is 01:15:08 It's really good. But I think a lot of what's great about this movie are his reactions. There's moments that wouldn't really jump off the page. Like when they go to the dive bar in the hotel and they are like, you know, have you seen Amelia? And he's just like, I just work here. He's like, yeah, I know. That's why I'm asking you.
Starting point is 01:15:27 That's not like a hilarious thing on the page. But it's so funny, like the way they do it. He also chases. Every time that character thinks they're being smart, he, like, winks at somebody or does, like, a little eyebrow raise. He sells everything so hard and so well. Do you like my friend? He's wearing your shirt.
Starting point is 01:15:45 I made it myself. Is that a shirt? So, KC. Affleck wins for Manchester by the sea that year. Gosling nominated for La La Land. The other three were Denzel and Fences. Vigo Mortensen and Captain Fantastic. Get him out. So you want to go double Gosling?
Starting point is 01:16:02 Double Gosling. Or Andrew Garland. Farfield and Hacksaw Ridge. We were just... That one can go to. What a drought. Yeah. That was like when Pesia Stoakovic was fourth an MVP.
Starting point is 01:16:11 There you go. Let's get Pagia's numbers up. Let's get Pagia out. Pages in the conversation out. Where does his kid go? Isn't his kid playing now? Yeah, he's playing somewhere. In college.
Starting point is 01:16:23 He's a one of the colleges. Yeah. So could Gasseng potentially have been nominated twice? And has that ever happened? I know it has. I don't think anyone's been in the same category with two movies. Did Leo not? I think he, did he not for, wasn't Blood Diamond and Catch Me if you can the same year?
Starting point is 01:16:37 No, it wasn't the same year. It was departed in, uh... Or was departed in Blood Diamond. Did he not get double nominated for those? Is this the same year? 2000? Is that... Not till this.
Starting point is 01:16:47 So that would have been 2007? I think what's, it's happened a few times where somebody's gotten best and supporting. Yeah. But not too best. The most recent Scarlett-Johansson, marriage story and Jojo Rabbit was lead and supporting. Yeah. Leo only got one that year. Okay.
Starting point is 01:17:05 Did you find out where P. Story Arkovich's kid goes to college. I think it's Illinois. Oh, okay. I don't know. I could be wrong. You're 07 best actor in a supporting role. Alan Arkin won.
Starting point is 01:17:15 Jackie Earl Hailey and little children. Yeah. Diamond Huntsu and Blood Diamond. Eddie Murphy and Dreamgirls. And Mark Wahlberg in the Departed. Yeah. Fucking lace-degger. Motherfucker.
Starting point is 01:17:29 We need to do the re-reve departed too. Apparently I can't remember any podcast we've done. Probably in answerable questions. How long did the nice guys agency keep going before Jackson Healy died of a massive heart attack? Right. Or like two years later? Like how much gets his child taken away by protective services? Imminent. Did we have protective services in the way it's up?
Starting point is 01:17:50 You barely not. Yeah, I don't feel like we did. I was left alone for four or five hours a day. I just found out relatively recently about kids being in car seats until there are a certain weight now instead of age. So it's like you could be in a car seat until you're like seven or eight. Right? Theoretically, that seems extreme. I was in, I was like rolling around the back of a Pontiac when I was like three.
Starting point is 01:18:12 Like, you know, like, and you turned out great. I told Rob when we did the mailbag for my pod, I wanted to put Con in a car seat. I didn't want him to get hurt, but he's huge. Yeah. Couldn't really do it. The, I used to, my dad would drive me home from, from school sometimes. And I would get to sit, like, on his lap on the seat in front of them and drive. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:18:35 And then one time I looked down and noticed his hand was on the bottom of the wheel when he was really driving. I was like, fuck, I thought I was driving. Yeah. This whole time, I was like five. Would you? But can you imagine seeing anyone do that now where there's this little kid driving 30 miles an hour in the front seat with the steering wheel? Like right there. Like, but that's what we did in the 70s.
Starting point is 01:18:52 If it was the kid with the big dick from the. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So a mail bag, a mailbag that we did that Rob didn't hear yet because we haven't running yet, but it was before this podcast.
Starting point is 01:19:08 We changed the memorabilia question slightly to secret handshake memorabilia from the movie. Oh. So it's still the memorabilia from the movie, but it's an item that you have to really love the movie to get. So like a Misty Mountains poster. That would be good.
Starting point is 01:19:22 Yeah. Or maybe people would get that too easily. Well, a poster for, how do you like my car, big boy? That would be one. My personal one, which is a little bit more on the memorabilia side, but I I kind of, if anybody knows, please email. I think they may have made it for the movie
Starting point is 01:19:39 is the Navy Blue Mesh Bat Dodgers hat that Gosling wears for the two scenes when he punches the window and when he's at the hospital. You think he was custom merch? I can't find a Navy Blue Dodgers mesh hat 70s or otherwise. Maybe I'm wrong. Interesting.
Starting point is 01:19:56 What do you have for this wrap? Secret Handshake one is tough because, yeah, there's not a lot of signature items. I would go for the Pink Cow Post notes, which I'm going to then sent everyone I know. Anytime I have an important flight slash hotel room to mark on a piece of paper, we're in business.
Starting point is 01:20:11 It would be great if you could get a blow-up poster of the Jackson and Holland's detective agency ad. Oh, yeah. In all of it's Filipino or maybe Mexican glory. That's right. Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi Award for Best, Worst, Life Lesson, which people want,
Starting point is 01:20:28 at least one person wanted to be Coggins Law from Cocktail, which I guess this could be a Coggins Law. Sometimes you just win. You do. How about sometimes there's two ways to look at something? Best double feature choice? Would you go Shane Black? So I had, just because it also brings in the Detroit part of a crime for a crime film is no sudden move,
Starting point is 01:20:51 which is the Steven Soderberg movie from a few years ago with Don Chiehl. Yeah, that's a great one. Kiss Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang feels too easy almost. I like that angle. I would almost go like drama comedy. Like, let's do like a Michael Clayton or a Pelican. brief. Another like corporate conspiracy kind of movie like that. Speaking of Kiss Kiss Kiss Bang Bang
Starting point is 01:21:07 Chet is Val Kilmer son? I know. Jack Kilmer. I have the other guys. I would have this first than the other guys. Okay. I can just do guys Guys Night. Nice guys. Right and other guys. And then we have Gosling winning the movie. We do. I think he has to. Yeah. Craig, you wanted this for a while. Yeah. This is
Starting point is 01:21:27 just an all-timer for me. Probably, I think it's the best comedy of the last 10 years since 2016. Not that there's a ton it's competing against. But I love the Leitha Weapon movies, which you guys introduced to me on the rewatchables. And like you said, the dark action comedy, buddy cop comedy,
Starting point is 01:21:44 I think is my number one favorite genre in movies. This movie in particular strikes a really delicate tone. It's pretty impressive that they kill Margaret Quali. Jessica gets thrown through a glass window. And there's no love interest in this movie, which I really like. Except for Talley briefly. It's just like, hold off, I recognize that.
Starting point is 01:22:03 how poor in his bath. When she walks through, he's like, you look great. Yeah. And then she throws a pair of scissors at Holly's head. Ritz. But I don't know. I love that. I love that it's just like about these two guys.
Starting point is 01:22:14 There's no kiss at the end. It's perfect to me. I rewatch it every couple years. Everybody I've watched it with likes it. It's just universally beloved. Fuck Angry Birds. I love that I can end too. Like, gosling, welling up tears in his eyes,
Starting point is 01:22:29 holding up the film reel. It's like, sometimes you do just win. Again, it's inexplicable. It's indefensible. But they lucked into it. We never did the what happened the next day with the film reel. Like, do they ever do anything with it? Like, was it a huge story?
Starting point is 01:22:44 Was it a national story? Well, they say no one, like, Kim Basinger didn't face any consequence. Or she gets sent to prison, but the companies don't aren't held liable. Well, we should discuss this. The entire plan of making a porn movie that has a message in it to show it was auto show. It's just a commercial element. It's a horrible plan. I mean, just like,
Starting point is 01:23:02 Like, you have the information, send it to like a news station. Right. You'd expect like sometime in 77, they're still riding high off Watergate. Because they asked, not even because Nixon's still in office. And they were like, go to the cops. And she's like, my mom is the cops. It's like, okay, you could find a journalist out there who would take this story and write about it and blow it up in the L.A. Times. They do ask her.
Starting point is 01:23:20 And she says that they controlled the media too. I like, I like it because it's from the perspective of like stoned out Margaret Qualley logic. Like, that's the only mechanism that can solve this problem. It's also the movie takes, it's not like the message is. in the very beginning of the porn movie either. Like, you have to kind of sit down and watch it. Yeah. Which also makes no sense.
Starting point is 01:23:38 But I do love the line, they made a porn where the plot is the point of the movie. Yeah. It's great. This was, like, the last era where they were making porn films where they actually kind of go for it with the plot. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:23:50 And with how they filmed it and actually spending money on it, which, as Boogie Nights covered, where Jack Horner's, like, really trying to make movies. And the idea that anybody is, like, an experimental filmmaker who's also doing these things. Ironically, we were texting about this yesterday. about how...
Starting point is 01:24:03 Porn? No, the new Bev Cinema. That's right. Oh, sure. Yeah, literally. They're showing these, like, porn noir Friday nights or Saturday nights at midnight. They were showing some movie. I thought it was a joke, but it was real. And I texted them. And Van's like, yeah, they've been doing it all month.
Starting point is 01:24:19 I'm not going to name any names. We do have a colleague who has attended some of these out of experimental curiosity. It is funny how you, like, Van was, like, kind of getting irritated where he's like, you guys all treat me like a freak, but you know as much as I do. did. Started three porn scandals at us. Yeah, so I'm going to guess that's a mostly male crowd. Couldn't tell you.
Starting point is 01:24:41 No, wasn't it, like, didn't somebody say it was like couples or something like that? Yeah. No. Fans are that. I must have been fan. No way, that's true. 40 guys by themselves and two couples would be the audience. No, it's a really important piece of cinema history.
Starting point is 01:24:55 Well, we're almost done with CR month, CR. Yeah, one more. Have you started to think big picture what this month meant to you and the love from the fans? I'm curious to see how you use me going forward from a coaching perspective. You know, like you now, do you take me down a peg or two?
Starting point is 01:25:12 Do you ice me? What do you do next with me? What do you mean? You've been on like 70 to 75% of the episodes event. No, I know, but now I'm riding high. So do you... Well, first of all, I like that we save some for the next CR month. Because when, you know, we have a year to plan this now
Starting point is 01:25:28 with the festival. Sure. And, you know, the merch, all that stuff. You can hire the guy to play the tree.
Starting point is 01:25:35 Right. The guy had the $20 big dick guy, we'll have him there of all the characters for some of these movies. But yeah,
Starting point is 01:25:42 we left Hunter, Hunt for, for October. For October, yeah. Nice. Maybe October. Maybe we just don't do it
Starting point is 01:25:50 in October. Who knows? Okay. Yeah. Who knows if we'll do it or not? I'm just worried for you. Chris. We saved aliens as well.
Starting point is 01:25:58 Oh, thank goodness. Those were the two that you talked about the most. There's been other ones, but those have been other than the ones we've already done this one. If you want to know, like the other contenders were all like basically up in the brackets that we just did. I've noticed, I don't always go into the comments,
Starting point is 01:26:14 but I did for the Instagram vote. And some people were like, fuck-ass, a sorcerer. You motherfucker, Sorcerer has to win. People are, like, angry that anyone is voted for anything out of the Sorcercercerer. I think Sorcerer is a passionate, passionate fan base. Those were the CR heads.
Starting point is 01:26:29 The true CR heads, those are sorcery. Are you a sorcerer guy? Yes, but not as a whole personality. I don't know how I missed it for 50 years. It's a real, like a film nerd new classic. No, I get it. Film, grow new classic, I say. Obviously, my will house, I just, you know, even the great ones get it slipped by.
Starting point is 01:26:47 As good as it looks now, though. Is that what it is? Because I saw it at New Beverly, and it was still a pretty beat-up print. And everybody was really pumped about it, but, like, it's been a while. it took a while for it to look as good as it looks. Was that a more male audience than the porn New Beverly screening you saw? It was a double feature, so it was hard to tell.
Starting point is 01:27:06 They should put that when they tweet out the movie, they should have an audience survey after what the demo was. Yeah. I wonder if they've ever got 100% dudes. Henry Portrait of the Cirokiller, like that kind of God. I've been into movies with 100% dudes. Yeah. The 100% dude.
Starting point is 01:27:22 That's like Soldado. Yeah. That's like the Ringer Fantasy Football Show demo every time I look at him. I watch Seidado again after we did Secario. I'm not going to, I'm going to withhold judgment during CR month. It's not bad. It's tough.
Starting point is 01:27:40 It's got some moments. Yeah. 20303. We're still kicking around. We're looking for movies to do. 233. Very possible. Rob Mahoney, thank you.
Starting point is 01:27:50 CR, a pleasure as always. Craig. Go have. Thank you. Back on rewatchables next week. LA Confidential, which is on Netflix. Yes. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 01:28:00 Is it? I don't know. I think it is. LA Confidential is on. Yeah, go ahead and check. Yeah. So, and if not, then we'll have to edit this out and do it a separate piece of it. But LA Confidential coming next week for CR month.
Starting point is 01:28:13 And don't forget, we did a mailbag if you missed it last week as well. So, yeah, no, it's on there. I'm confident. LA Confidential. Netflix. It's not. It's not. It's not on there.
Starting point is 01:28:25 No. it's on Amazon Prime. Damn it. Well, we did just get acquired by Amazon Prime, so that'll be fine. There you go. Okay. All right. L.A. Confidential, not on Netflix.
Starting point is 01:28:37 Thanks, everybody.

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