The Rewatchables - ‘The Purge’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: March 7, 2023

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan are blessed by the New Founding Fathers, who let them purge and cleanse their souls of their takes as they rewatch ‘The Purge,’ starring Ethan Hawke and Lena Headey. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The rewatchables is brought to by the Ringer Podcast Network. We can find Chris Ryan's The Watch. Crank Daddy is still cranking it out. Twice a week. My name is Bill Simmons. You crank. I crank. This podcast is blessed by the new founding fathers

for letting us purge and cleanse our souls. Blessed by America, a podcast reborn. The purge is next. The annual purge has. has commenced. We ready? For the next 12 hours, all crime is legal. Emergency services will be unavailable.

We'll be fine just like always. Your governor thanks you for your participation. Anybody tries to come in. You blast them. Just remember all the good the purge does. Read it R. All right, CR, the perch came out 10 years ago. It's not an anniversary.

Yeah, but you, it's not... You like a 10-year window. I remember seeing this to theater. We were working together at the time. We checked a lot of our boxes. It's a movie with two separately unassailable ideas, one of which is, what if crime was legal for one day? Yeah.

And the other is, how would you handle a relentless home invasion? Right. A movie that we've seen a lot in different forms. We have not seen the what if crime was legal for one day. Really an ingenious premise. Yeah, it's kind of a wrinkle on Escape from New York. Right? Where it's like, well, what if we just put all the prisoners on the island of Manhattan? Another great idea.

And it's got a lot of John Carpenter overtones. I think the director, James DeMonico, was pretty open about that. But yeah, then you combine that with... There's that assault from Precinct 13 kind of... I'm just withstanding a barrage of... Right, and that your security system turns it into a prison. That turns what you're doing into a prison. Yeah.

Great title. The kind of thing where it's like, this will... This sounds like a good idea I want to go. Then when you watch it, you go, oh, they'll make more of these. they have. They've been multiple sequels. There was a TV version of the show. It will probably keep going and going and going.

I was actually thinking back to when this came out and when we were working together. And I feel like there was definitely a kind of movie back then where you would come into the office and we'd be like, oh, you want to see this movie, the logline is crime is legal for one night. And you're like, stop. You had me a crime.

You had me a crime is legal for one night. I don't need to know. know anything else about Lina Heady or Ethan Hawke or anything. Well, we had this. This was a little bit of a hawk asance. He had sinister in 2012.

2013, before midnight, The Purge and the Getaway. All the same year. And now he's like in basically an A lister again. Then Boyhood the next year. Everyone thinks he's going to win the Oscar. And as we covered,

out of nowhere, in Whiplash podcast, I don't know where J.K. Simmons pops up and wins every single. single word. Hawk doesn't get his Oscar. And then he kind of moves into that good kill, Magnificent Seven, Juliet naked, first reformed,

and moves into his late 40s, and now he's an older leading man, not the ladyman. But in this movie, part of the gimmick, which I almost think is, is you could put in the what's age the worst, is it was weird to think of Ethan Hawk

in a home invasion movie? It was, but Ethan Hawk was instrumental. I mean, so this movie is one of four movies that basically build Blumhouse. Yeah. And Ethan Hawks in two of them.

And Ethan Hawk and Jason Blum go back. And it was this, basically this deal that they made with Hawk and then later with guys like Kevin Bacon and other people who were starting in Blumhouse movies where it's like, look, you work for scale, but you get profit participation. Yeah. Like real money, not like fake. We move the numbers around money. If this movie does what basically horror movies do, and this is the genius of the Blumhouse

gambit is like you keep the budget low. horror has such a high floor at the box office. Yeah. That then once it crosses this certain threshold, you start to participate in the profits. And this is probably one of the more lucrative movies Hawk ever did. And together, Purge and Sinister, I think, made, I mean, they must have made it close to $300 million in America together.

Yeah, we had the director, James DeMonaco. Apparently, the idea for the purge came from a road rate incident, where a drunk driver cut them off, nearly killed them, the driver wasn't remorseful. They ended up getting in a fist fight. And after it was over, his wife turned to him and said, it would be great if we could have one free murder a year. Yeah.

And he said, my wife's normally a really sweet person. It's an alarming thing to hear her say. But at the same time, it got my wheels turning, baby. And then started working on the script. Went to Jason Blum. Who gave them $3 million. Because he had this deal with Universal. And it was like a money ball.

It's like an early 2000s Billy Bean type of... Yeah, it was kind of like he was there, Roger Corman. He was like, I'll go manufacture, like, kind of cheaper genre stuff. I'll go find Scott Hatterberg. Maybe I'll make a deal for David Justice. Just kind of keep working the fringes, man. And he was like, hey, this worked once upon a time with movies like Halloween. Why can't it work now?

Yeah. Really smart. Now they've shifted a little bit. Yeah, well, they got into TV. they have a lot more franchises now, but this was basically, they do a run of paranormal activity in 2009, insidious in 2011, sinister in 2012,

and the Persian 2013, and that sets them up for the next 10 years. Paranormal activity. I really like the actress in that movie. She never made it. Katie Featherston, was that her name? Really good. That movie...

Only you could pull a Katie Featherston out of it. She was good. I don't know what happened to her. That was one of those movies. where it was really fun to watch and it also felt cheap. Uh-huh. But in a good way, not a bad way.

It wasn't like they've cheaped out. It was more like, oh, look at how they did this. You're putting your finger on one of the things I think is so great about the purge. Yeah. Is that because you're almost aware of how limited it is that they're going to shoot it in this one house, kind of anything can happen. Yeah. So when you're watching it, you're just sort of like,

man, I don't know if all the rules that I think apply to Hollywood movies apply to this movie. even though it's ostensibly a Hollywood movie. And that kind of definitely plays out in the third act. Jason, who is a really fun guy, and I think he's been on all of the Ringer podcast at this point, he said at the time, the conceit was the United States with a purge existing where, quote,

an unbelievably fertile ground for storytelling in so many different ways. What do foreign countries do? What do politicians do? How did it happen? How does it say? start. How does it keep going? What happens to the economy? What happens to unemployment? There's so many angles you can explore from this idea. It's one of the reasons I love rewatching the purge because when I'm,

you know, it's an action movie. The second half of it's better than the first half. But as I'm watching, I'm thinking about all these different things. Oh, yeah. What would happen? What happens to the hospitals? And you just, you have more questions than answers, even as you're watching. If you and me got to make a purge, it would be purge colon Z wantonaneo. You know, like what happens day to day after. Right. We're like, hey, is that a dead guy

on your lawn? You're going to pull them off? Yeah. Are you guys going to soccer practice later? You want a car bowl? Like, just taking L.A., like Thursday nights, or at least in my neighborhood,

is when they come and pick up all the garbage cans and the recycling stuff. Was that the purge? Just 9 o'clock. A bunch of trucks come. They're just pulling bloody corpse off the lawn.

He also was saying how they seemed to think the purge was a cautionary. Mary tale? And he said, that's how we thought it would be understood. For the most part, we didn't know if people would respond. The purge is about gun control. And it's my opinion that we're going in the wrong direction with gun control, not the right direction.

If your answer to school shootings is putting guards in schools with guns, then what's left. If we keep listening to the NRA, the purge is where we're going to end up. You kind of lose me on that angle. To me, this is just like, this is a crazy idea for a movie that somehow works. And it was super fun to watch, and then you can make more of them. I don't know if we're trying to say more than that. Did you take more than that from this movie? I think I did after the next 10 years of American life.

Oh, interesting. So I think that there's definitely something to the lead perjure, played by Reese Wakefield, who comes to the door and his outfit and his dress and like the kind of creepy. He looks like one of the guys who was protesting in Charlottesville. You know what I mean? Protesting. Yeah.

Like one of the Charlottesville guys. And there's something very pressing about this movie. But do you think that was intentional? Well, I don't know. So this is the end of Obama. Like at this point, when this movie comes out, it's not like Trump's even on the radar. You know, I think for the most part, Republicans, people think of them as like John McCain and George Bush. So it's not that like weird edge to it. Yeah, 2013 was a pretty peaceful time for the most part. And so then you get into whether or not this movie is predictive or whether this movie is lucky, you know, whether it just kind of, but I do wonder whether or not the gun violence stuff and the idea that all these people are, you know, whether this movie is lucky, you know, whether it just kind of, but I do wonder whether or not the gun violence stuff and the idea that all these people. are armed, you know, secretly kind of like building up these arsenals and stuff. And then you just have to like kind of consider the fact that historically, horror is one of the most socially provocative and predictive genres that we have, where you go back through and you look at the Living Dead movies and you look at something

like Rosemary's Baby or Get Out or whatever. And they seem to have their finger on the pulse of something. Yeah. I agree with that. I don't, I personally don't think they had like crazy high-im. ambitions from a social standpoint for this movie? Am I watching The Purge like its network? Not really. No.

With that said, it's kind of amazing 10 years later, some of the stuff this movie taps into where if it had come out in 2017, I think it would have been considered this weaponized political movie that it's trying to say all these different things. In 2013, if I told you like a presidential candidate is going to propose the purge, you'd be like, that's too far-fetched. In 2023, Like, come on. If somebody was like, here's my idea

to solve homelessness, and it was the purge. Like, would I be blown away by, that this idea happened? I can't believe I'm hearing this. I'd be like, no, I mean, this guy's psychotic, but I would also be like, it's not the craziest thing. The roof for crazy ideas is off, I guess is what we're saying.

In 2013, this did seem like a crazy idea. The purge? Yeah. One day of crime? It was almost more of like a throwback to 80s horror movies. You know what I mean? Like, it was, in 2013,

it almost seemed like it was almost a throwback more to the escape from New York's rather than predictive of what America would be. I remember Kevin Wilds, my friend used to come on the pot all the time. At Graham, we used to half-baked. And we did two different half-baked ideas

that were kind of pieces of what the purge ended up being. One was... So when did you do this pod? 2012. I'm not claiming credit for the purge. You're not saying to Monaco listened. No.

No. Well, who knows? But one was leapier, where I was, every four years, there's a leap year, right? And my idea for leap year was that no records existed whatsoever. Okay. Like nothing, anything that happened on leap year, stayed on leap year. But we weren't talking about crime. So like if LeBron breaks Cream's record on Leapier? Kids are born, they're not actually born.

So we did that whole thing. But then the other one, that was more reminiscent of the purge was I wanted to open an amusement park called felony land. Uh-huh. And the reason is because every time I've ever. ever seen a Brink's truck for like 10 seconds, I think about how I would rob it if I had to rob it, right? Because I'm a human being and that's what you do when you see Brink's truck. Can I take that guy? And he seems kind of asleep.

He's having a coffee. Could I get him? How would I drive the car? You start thinking all this thing. You're imagining Vincent Hanna coming in up afterwards. Be like, no, it's good. You got lots of freeway entrances. But I was thinking felony land was this amusement park where you could go and commit actual crimes.

Like you could be, you could plan a bank robbery. You and I could go into a bank and do the whole, we're not here for your money. We're here for the bank's money. Your money's insured. Don't be a hero. But that was felony land. Yeah. And then somehow the purge became a real movie.

That was a better idea than felony land. Felony lands, I mean, I don't think you should be given that away for free. Like, well, I already did. But the purge actually also comes out of a tradition, I think, somewhat from video games. Yeah. We're like, people were playing Grand Theft Auto. And it's like, oh, what's the point of, I don't know what the story. I don't know what the story or the goal of Grand Theft Auto is.

The goal is to drive around and, like, be people up and rob them and run them over. And just be like, oh, my God, I can't believe you can do this in a video game. And that's kind of like, that's sort of like we're like gnawing away at the safety button here on society. Yeah. Is a little bit what the purge was tapping into as well. Grand Theft Auto, I remember playing that a lot. Back in the days when I lived in Boston, I played video games on a treadmill. Right.

To stay in shape. and you know, you play that game long enough and you get in your real car and you start thinking like for a split second, I'm going to mow that pedestrian over just for fun. Oh, wait, I'm not in a video game anymore. Like, you really can have a break

from all the rules of, and that's how you feel watching the purge after a while. That's dangerous in your neighborhood too because it's like, oh, sorry, Oscar-winning cinematographer. I didn't mean to rob the world of your eye. The purge does make you think about like what your plan would be for the purge like would you take advantage of it

like here's my here's my one opportunity to kind of get out there because the neighbors in this movie who are hilarious especially that crazy housewife Grace yeah grace

she really just kind of taking advantage of the night she's like I kind of resent these neighbors I think I'm gonna fuck I'm not just fuck with them but I'm gonna take them out I'm gonna kill him the purge franchise includes

a sequel called Anarchy That's where Grillo comes through Fucking Grillo. It is just a great Grillo movie. I like the sequel. And Saracen's in that movie too. Yeah. A third film called Election Year.

Which was like right on the Trump quarter, I think. A prequel called The First Purge. That's set in Staten Island. Yeah. A TV series that lasted two seasons. And then a fifth film called The Forever Purge. Yeah. And then they're making one more, right?

Yeah. Yeah. What was the one with the All Black cast? Was that the third one? The mostly black cast. That was the third one. One of those I liked. I actually, I've watched every Purge film.

My son was a big fan. What was it? What was it? What were the purge? The masks are just like the lawlessness. Well, first the masks were brilliant. That's a great way to pull in any kids. But yeah, it's like an unsettling horror movie.

It's no different than, you know, I think when you think about a home invasion movies, like the first funny games, the Australian one. Austrian. Austrian. Yeah. That's too disturbing. Like, I wouldn't let my kids watch that one. Do you like the strangers?

Strangers is kind of the more digestible version of the same idea. We did watch that one. I thought that Strangers is good. Yeah, Strangers is a masterpiece. Yeah. Strangers is so fucked up because it's like an hour of Scott Spiebeman and Liv Tyler being like, yeah, we're just working on a relationship. And you're just like, is it going to get scary or what?

Yeah. Yeah. It goes fast. This is the scariest it could possibly be. That's probably why it's rewatchable because the last half of that. movie just takes off. And which I feel like the purge is the same way. When it's on, you're just kind of waiting until shit starts going down.

It's a little wooden in the beginning. And then when the guy shows up. First 30 minutes, you can really feel the $2.7 million budget. Three million to be exact. And it made $89.3 million. And it's been said that Ethan Hawke made more money for this movie than any of the movie's ever made. I believe it.

Yeah. If he got like 10% of the gross. The other wrinkle to this was he was married to Queen Searcy in the movie, who's just wearing a god-offal, I think it's a wig for at least some of the scenes. Other scenes, it looks like it's a real hair. Maybe they did some reshoots. But she was pretty hot at this point, too, because Thrones was coming into its own. That's right.

So... Not a really three-dimensional character she's playing in this movie. But Hawk had real credibility. Yeah. where it's like, all right, that seems like a cool idea for a movie and Ethan Hawks in it. He's one of the actors who you kind of also think

there are some actors where you're just like, yeah, I guess the concept for this movie sounds cool or like I like this guy, but Hawk actually has taste. Yeah. And has a real... That's word for Sinister, too. Yeah, and he works with first time directors, new filmmakers a lot.

Like, he really obviously takes pride in starting people's careers. Like, if this movie had... Who's the... Who was the Gerard Butler, Liam Needson of 2013? By the way, I love both of those guys. No shots fired. Yeah.

It's probably Gerard Butler. Yeah, it was Gerard Butler. There's Gerard Butler in the Purge. It's a little bit of a different feel. So he's going to rip through, like, he's going to tear the door down and break this guy in half. Yeah. Like, Gerard Butler and plane, I have no illusions of what plane is.

It's like, that plane's going to crash and he's going to be somewhere and he's going to have to shoot some people to get out. But if Ethan Hawk was the pilot in plane, you'd be like, oh, my God, He's going to think his way through this. Yeah. Yeah. Again, made $89.3 million and set up a whole purge universe.

Like, my thing with franchises, so, as you know, I love Pluto. I always go and Pluto, and they're always adding channels. They have a rocky channel now,

which I think they're doing for the Creed. So they'll have a channel and then they take it off after a while? I don't, the rocky one to me is a good, idea because now they have there was six Rocky movies and then two Creed movies plus

this one so eight total and you just put them on a loop but I do think they pull them because they had a Godfather channel yeah which was unbelievable that was like oh my just the Godfather's just on constantly I would just constantly go over and just like I wonder what part of the

godfather have you ever remember those when AMC would do the marathons Godfather chronological cut oh yeah basically the Godfather was just on a loop from beginning to end for days. Yeah. It would just be like, honestly, I might not leave the house. What about HBO would do this sometimes with like Thrones.

They would do it with, I don't know, they would have entourage, like whatever show to do. Usually they do it before a show comes back. I love when they do it, though. Marathon. I just, they have, what, seven HBO channels? One of them should just be like, we're just showing the same show for three straight weeks. Yeah. We're roping you back in on the show.

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Yeah. A little dark. I can't tell what's real and what's not real. I think the footage is actually real. Seems like it probably is, right? Yeah. I think there might be some L.A. Riots footage in that. Yeah.

Yeah. I like the when the little kid sees the people outside the house it's the kid from parenthood yeah you know like

don't fucking don't do it I've watched this movie I don't know many times kids away from screens I said don't wait first don't give him the code

yeah I said don't don't open the door don't turn the alarm off don't don't do it buddy and then he fucking does it and then the movie gets off we have the

preppy kid every time the kid shows up at the door what's that kid's name in the psycho? Oh, he doesn't really have a name. He's just like polite, polite, polite psycho? Yeah.

Here's the plan, Sandins. You have until our provisions arrive. Provisions, which will help us break into your elegant home. If you don't deliver him by the aforementioned time, we'll release the beast on him and on you. And we can enter any home we want, and we will want. His wanting is our will on this fine night.

Don't force us to hurt you. We don't want to kill our own. Please just let us purge. To-de-lose standards. First time shows up door, then when he kills his friend at the door, that's even, that's what's like, oh, this movie's going to get lit.

Them catching the intruder is just a good action scene. The perjers breaking in, the fucking wheels come off. And then I think the number one choice here is the, the playroom fight where Hawk just kills three people on the pool table. That's absolutely the most rewatchable scene. It's so good. Yeah.

It's like they probably could have like two more scenes like that in the movie. Maybe they ran out of money. Yeah. That scene is as good as any like John Wick's scene or any action. It's so realistic. Yeah, I also just love like it gets so, so real like when he shoots the girl jumping off the pool table.

And she does that weird body. And she slams down on it. Yeah. And like all the people like jumping through windows and shit. It just makes it feel so terrifying. Great scene. Yeah. I love fight scenes in weird places like playrooms or garages.

Always like really resonate and totally different. What's an underused room that we could have a fight scene in? Garage. The scream when they kill them in the garage with the garage storage. It's amazing. Everyone uses a garage. I always like a hot sauna kill. Oh, that's a good one.

Yeah. Sonna fights are good too Yeah, spas are good Cause spas are like peaceful Holes at each other and shit Yeah Churches are good But I think people worry about the karma

With that sometimes But like What was the one we just watched Where the people I think we did it for rewatchable It's Mission Impossible He goes through the church When he's trying to escape

Yes Anytime the churches in you're probably Like oh my God This is what's happening And then also like Often weirdly in churches there's like a bunch of doves flying around, just to like add to the operatic

nature of the action scene. Graveyards are good. Like 8mm has a really good graveyard fight. There's a creepy. You know somebody's going to die when you're... I like all the Michael Myers stuff in hospitals. Hospitals are great.

Yeah. Because hospitals are inherently creepy. Even though there's a million people there, you still feel... Yeah, and all the lights are on, but it doesn't matter. I get two more scenes. Queen Saracet gets saved by two neighbors.

And I just wrote, The neighbor goes heel. And the intruder saves. the day. We are going to play the rest of this night out of a motherfucking peace. Queen's seriously finally stepped up. Oh, for God's sake, just do it.

Come on. All they're going to kill us. It doesn't matter. We are going to play the rest of this night out in motherfucking peace. So we both had the playroom fight? I have the billiard room fight. Yeah. That seems great.

Yeah. What's age the best? The idea itself. The unassailable, good movie idea. I was thinking the great one-sentence movie ideas, and John Carpenter somehow is like three of them. And this one's on here. Die hard, I guess you would say.

I mean, Arnold Schwarzenegger travels back in time to kill a woman. But even that, that's too long. Like the purge is like, crime is legal for one day. That's our movie. Yeah, what are some of the best one line? Escape from New York is now. Manhattan is. where all the prisoners go.

Manhattan's a penitentiary and the president's plane crashes there. They're like, really? That's a movie? That sounds amazing. The Warriors is like,

a big gang leader get shot, the Warriors have to come back everyone thinks they got killed. I guess that's too long. But yeah, the one sentence ones are so hard. 48 hours is a good one.

A cop needs a prisoner to help him crack a case and he's 48 hours to do it. That just works. That should just work all the time. I love movies and Escape from New York does this too. that start out in the future with the graphic

where things are different. So in this movie, it's America, 2022. Unemployment is at 1%. Crime is at an all-time low. Violence barely exists with one exception. What has that ever not worked? Escape from New York has that too. Yeah, 1997.

Another what's aged the best is it's 2012. We're a year past 2022. We made it. I like when we age past the dystopian version of what the world's going to look like. Yeah, because we did that for Blade Runner a little while ago. Escape from New York was like set in 1997. Yeah.

I also like it when we get reminded of like different anniversary, like the actual days in a movie, like the anniversary. Like, so we always go past Goodfellas Day. Or back to the future. Yeah. Yeah. This would have been crazy if there was a crazy Trump-like president in this movie and they made it in 2013. Where it's like they just showed the guy.

It's a wood stage the best just hypothetical of it. they're just watching TV. Like, realistically, it could have been Donald Trump. They could have been like, hey, Donald, do you want to play the president in this movie? It's a shame they didn't ask because maybe he would have gotten distracted. He would have done it. He would be like, I love being in the Purge movies. I'm going to make Perge.

I'm now the president of the Purge movies. It's going great. We're destroying the other movie franchises. I love semi-hidden gun. Vin Diesel thinks he's making movies. He's not doing a good job, folks. Vin Diesel is making mediocre movies. What's age the best?

Semi-hidden gun cabinets with secret codes. Yeah. Fucking great. Might have to get one of these for myself. Had he trained his kids properly? No. No. Had he trained his kids properly?

No. A little hidden. To Monica. It's like lost. See you. I like that they have no real rules at all, but then one rule is weapons of class four and lower

are authorized for the purge. Any other weapons are restricted? Not explained. Grenade launchers? Like, what can't you use? Yeah, not explained. We didn't get like a chart. There's so much wasted time in the first half hour of this movie,

but no time spent at all with the gun rules of... There's something a little bit cultish about the way everything happens in the first half of this movie where it's like a very stepford wives. Like everybody's like, hey, Mr. Sandin, you know. And I would love to just have... One guy who's like, yeah, my whole thing is I podcast about the purge and I'm here to break it down.

Live pod. Yeah. That would be a great emergency pod. Perge pod? Yeah, no ringer. Where it's like, all right, it's Perg, 7 o'clock. Here with Ron Ricillo. Presented by State Farm.

Riscilla, what do we expect today with the purge? How is it going to be different than the last year? Oh, I know is I'm going after DeAngelo and Russell. You can't trust that guy. He would be my first pick. What other, what stage the best he have? It's pretty hard to not get me to buy into an 85-minute movie, especially at this point of my life.

Oh, yeah. You're speaking Horlebeck's language now. But it's just like... Craig hadn't seen this movie, and he looked it up and just text us back, 85 minutes. I mean, I'll watch anything that's 85 minutes. 85 minutes is like basically the length of a Last of Us episode now. Yeah. And I was thinking... By the way, you're not lying.

Yeah, it is. And Fantasy was just telling us that John Wick 4 is nearly three hours long. It's like, are you sure you didn't need 85 minutes, John Wick? How about, like, we know who you are. We know what's the situation. Just kick ass for 70 minutes and then have a conversation with Lawrence Fisburn for 15. John Wick is almost three hours? Yeah, the fourth John Wick.

How long was Taken? I feel like Taken was a good length. Yes. My God. John Wick 4 runtime, two hours, 49 minutes. Yeah. Oh, my God. Taken was 90 minutes.

Yeah. Well, Netflix now has a category where it's like 90 minutes or less, right? You can also just, like, speed Netflix up. But my point being, more is just that that's the this is a perfect length for a purge movie. We may have said

earlier we would have loved to have this explained to us a little bit more and maybe gotten a little bit more detail and the future movies do get into obviously a lot more detail.

I can't think of anything I'd rather do less than watch a 20-hour purge television show. I would, but I will watch America agreed with you yeah, but every two years

I would watch an 85 to 95-minute purge movie. I agree. A couple of other things for what's here's the best. Yeah. Release the beast.

What a great saying. Are you ready to release the beast? And I'm going to start saying that to you before we pod. I think Zion should start doing that when his next comeback. It was a release the beast. Three, two, 222. I wonder whether or not we should get ready to violate, annihilate, and cleanse our souls as like a chant before a football game. Like when the guys put their hands in the middle, they're like, I love you, dog.

Let's go. Victory on three. It's like, annihilate, violate, cleanse our souls on three. Probably not, probably not that great. And then there's just a quick moment where Mary, where Lina Hidi's character is in the fridge. I love people hiding behind fridge doors. I love when you close a fridge door and there's like a creepy kid right there. I don't think it's ever not worked.

And a staple in any lifetime movie, too. It's like the one thing any director knows how to shoot. It's like, all right, pull their fridge back. And action. The Big Cahuna Burger Award, Best Use of Food and Drink. She's got a giant glass of wine in this movie, Queen Circe.

Yeah, she's got a little cab. Yeah, it's like, really the only time, I guess they eat at one point. What did you have for Great Shot Gordo? Well, for Big Cahoonaburger burger, just the fact that she's making a no-carbs dinner on the night of the purge. Yeah, that's a little weird.

Like, how about we get some mashed potatoes going? You know, maybe some Bub and Grandma's seeded bread? Do you know, like... You think Jason Blum was making a commentary in the future of plant-based products? Maybe. He basically say anything now. But it's like if it's a night of state sanctioned murder, don't you maybe want to have a pizza?

You know what I mean? Like you're not going anywhere. I guess you want to stay light on your feet. But I... Yeah, you don't want too much gluten probably. Yeah. Yeah. Would you have for Great Shot Gordo?

For Great Shot Gordo, I thought all the surveillance stuff. Like all the use of like the kid getting to look at the screens and seeing the stranger coming up and just all the use of security camera footage. Which I did want paranormal activity too. Yeah. The Mallory Rubin Award for Did this movie Need a Better Sex Scene? I'm going to say yes. We're already at R. Let's get down.

I think Henry and Zoe are... Eh. It's when it's two high school kids. They're never going to go that far. But I... So you think maybe the... Ethan and Lena should have gotten a quickie in? Here's my take.

Honey, I'm number one in sales this year. We have four more... Four more minutes to play with, right? To get to 89 minutes, which is still under our 90 minutes roll. I wanted four more. minutes with the neighbors. The neighbors were so interesting. I wanted some fucking freaky sex scene with grace.

You got to keep the POV. The reason why the movie is so effective is that it never leaves their POV. So you can't get outside of the house and see what other people are doing. Well, maybe Ethan Hawk looks over and Grace is just getting down. Oh, Grace. Yeah. Like some serious crazy sex steps. I want a little more established that Grace is fucking unhanged.

Like her eyes, sexy and her eyes are rolling back of her head. be the horny housewife. Yeah, let's let's unleash grace. The Vincent two, another word we don't get to give out that often.

The Vincent Chase Award for are we sure this character or is actually good at his job? Ethan Hawks alarm systems. Just the first time it gets tested is just like, yeah. Run into the front door

that thing fucking everybody's in. I like the idea though that it's basically ornamental. Like that he's like, I'm selling these bullshit security systems that basically can't

withstand a sustained attack. Yeah. Well, because you know the people would be fucking selling those left and right. Chase was a fraud and so you'd be on Instagram one night

and you'd be like God that that purse security system looks pretty good I'll just order that Also what does the security system do at that point when all crime is legal and there's no way the police can get to your house Basically the only thing that can happen is nobody can get into your house but

Well there wasn't set it on fire Nearly enough arson That's what I was going to say It's just it's like there's a lot of like Maybe that was a level five weapon You think burning things is the level five weapon Maybe that was an outlawed crime on PurgeNet is arson.

It didn't seem to be in the future purge movies. I feel like there was plenty of fire going on. But you're right. If you were on purge night, if you were just setting fires left and right,

how could you control that? Especially if the emergency services aren't coming out until 7 a.m. I have the Butch's girlfriend award for Weeklink of the film tied to another award we don't have to give out, which I can't remember the name of.

What was the dog and once upon a time in America? Did this movie need a dog? What was that dog's name? You mean once a time in Hollywood? What was that dog's name? Hold on, I'm going to look it up. That dog's name was

Cliff Booth's dog? The Cliff Booth Award. Is this movie better if the main character had a pet? So the weakest link in this movie is that the idiot kid Just which one? No, the idiot kid decides to just unlock the alarm. Brandi's the dog. Brandy Booth.

Yeah. Because I think Zoe's pretty stupid too. Well, she's stupid too, but at least she doesn't just open the house up. Yeah. But I think if they had out a dog and it was like, hey, where's Sparkles? I thought you had him. I thought he was in the house. And then Sparkles is barking outside.

Well, I think that the sort of. And now it's like, oh, you got to save the dog. The Roomba that's going around the house is basically like the stand-in for the dog. I'm saying it's better with the dog. Okay. It's like. If at the end of the movie Sparkles jumps out and attacks Grace or something, Yeah, maybe it's a golden retriever.

Yeah. Or maybe it's like a black lab or whatever. But it's, I love those. Amityville Harher has that at the end where they finally get out of the house. There's fucking blood coming out of the walls. And then they're like, oh, what about Gus? Like their dog. And Roland's like, fuck, let's get out of here.

You got to get back and get Gus or whatever dogs they have. And Roland has to go back in and get the stupid dog who's in the basement. Yeah. I just like the whole concept of dogs being involved in the perch. blew it. The, uh, Woods Age the worst.

Lena Hetty's wig in at least a couple scenes is really, you feel that $2.7 million. Yeah. How cheap it is. Like they didn't even have the money for a hair extensions

person, I don't think. I was trying to figure it out if this is around the shame, shame, shame time. But, and like whether she had her hair, I think it's a little later. It was a little later. Yeah.

I think that's like 15. Did she actually shave her head for that? It seemed like it. I also have her and what's age the worst. She's just bad in this movie. Not a good character. Her character doesn't have anything to do.

All she does is look just having like a stroke. There's nothing kind of elevating above whatever's going on about her. There was one minute. There's one beat in this where it's like she, you can tell she's a little bit upset that she didn't get invited to the party. In the beginning when Grace is like, yeah, we're not doing a party this year. And then she's like, oh, it looks like they're having a party. It would have been great if she had more social anxiety. I think it would have been cool.

Because we know she's a good actress. Yeah. I just don't think she figured out the part or she mailed in the part or whatever. It's not a good performance. Mention the shock factor of Ethan Hawk being in this movie. DeMonica, for what's age the worst, he was talking about the only 19 days they had $2.7 million to work with, how much of a bummer it was for them that they couldn't even go around the neighborhood

and just get outside the house for what? whatever, but in a weird way that works with the movie because it makes a claustrophobic. But that's also what led to purge too, which was like, let's go. Let's go spend some money. Yeah, we're doing the whole city. Let's fucking go. What else do you have for what stage is worse, anything? Well, I mean, I think we could talk about Zoe a little bit here. Because she's really, like, she really, like, causes a lot of problems for this house.

Yeah, they're better of purging her. She saves a lot of time, damage money. We'll keep the old guy and get rid of her daughter. Yeah. I also, like, hate when she's like. She's an awful character. So my boyfriend's come back on Purge night and he snuck into the house and seems very insistent about talking to my father in a kind of hostile way. But what I'm going to do is put my iPod headphones in and just like zone out and not think about this.

It's like he's definitely going back to shoot your dad. He didn't get tonight of all nights to chat with him. Because you figure scream has already come out. Then there's like a lot of sked-d-d-old. This is one of the many movies this movie borrows from is the skid-old rich. Right. Hot boyfriend who turns into a psycho killer. Yeah, he's just got like that psycho look to him.

I did think I'm mad I would be at my daughter if the guy she's dating snuck back in our house and the purge and tried to shoot me which can't be ruled out either but yeah I would be very upset about this why won't you let your daughter sleep over my house Mr. Simmons

Would you feel like like would you rather have the purge with your family or the purge on your own? Would you rather be like a solo album? Be in my house by myself? Yeah. So that was one of my questions I had later.

Is the purge all over the country or are there states you could go to? No, I don't think there's any safe zones. Our country can't agree on anything. We're all 50 states are like signing up for the purge. Let's do it. I mean, I think that it doesn't seem like there's like, it seems like the new founding fathers are offering a lot of things up for like votes, you know?

Could you fly to Germany during the purge? I think it's, is it international? Australia? I can't remember. So just all the world, all the countries agree. I'm sure rich guys fly to New Zealand do avoid the purge. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I'm sure it's like the way that like those guys now all have like... It's like I figured out a way to get out of the purge. I'm going to Epstein Island. My friend Jeffrey's going to have us. It'll be great.

No, that's why my name's in the book. It's just because we're going to go out of it. I think it out of here. The purge was happening. A little PJ to Epstein Island. But would you rather go it alone, only be responsible for yourself, able to kind of like do that.

I like to do everything with my family, so I'd rather have my family there. So when Zoe gets you killed. It's the way God intended it. The new founding fathers. The new founding fathers intended it. Craig, what about you? Would you rather be solo or would you rather be responsible for Liz? I'd rather be alone.

Liz would not be, would not do well in that situation. Liz would be terrible during the purge now. She's not a high conflict person. My wife would be a perjurer. Straight up. Phoebe's like, today's the day. All the guys have cut me off on sunset. Well, you know where my wife would stand.

Oh, your wife would have, she probably already has a mask. My wife is mad. She wasn't born in 1883. She was like, I'm going to run things back then. Get out of the way, Sam Elliott, you pussy. Shoot out of saloon? The Ron Burgundy flew to her for Best Time for P-break, it's probably in the first

10 minutes, right? There's actually like a 10-minute sequence of like, that's mostly the sun driving the Roomba around in the dark. Yeah, you're right. Yeah. And when you watch it in, when you see the theaters, you're like, this is really like terrifying and claustrophobic.

When you're like sitting in your living room, you're like, what the fuck? How long is this guy doing this? It's definitely like the Rocky 4-Robo. Go get a taco during that. Was there a better title for this movie? No way. Release the Beast? I've released the Beast is pretty good. The purge is great.

That might be more of a horse name. Best quote. We were going to play the rest of this night out motherfucker piece. That's what I had. That's great. Hottest take award. I don't really have a hottest take other than

I just want proof that they didn't dip into felony land and might leap your ideas. It was 2012. It was one year before. Are you more mad that you didn't get intellectual credit for it or that you didn't get a profit participation? No.

I just wanted an email from James. Like, hey, man, heard the felony lamp pod. Inspired a six movie franchise. Now, I don't have a hottest take because this whole movie is a hottest take. Yeah, it's kind of hard. What are you supposed to say that, like, the perjures had a point or something? Yeah, we should do this. Yeah. Casting what ifs couldn't find any.

The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge overacting word. They knew, and they let it happen. Don't you call me, lady. I come in here. I give these things to you. Give it all your God. This and me. Keep an eye I got!

I treated you like a son! You fucking stab me in the heart! Fuck you! Definitely goes to lean a headie. Oh, I got it. I had it for the perjure, the interrupting perjure. He was like, bring out that pig! He gets shot in the head.

He's like, I don't even have my face on screen, but I'm going to be memorable. Okay, I sell a security equipment. I would never deny yours or anybody else's right to purge. Just do us! The homeless pig! You fuck! Sorry about that. I don't condemn that kind of behavior.

Just keep in mind. Best that guy award. Chris Mokie wins again. How many times does he won that? He wins every time. Should we call this the Chris Mokie? The Chris Mokey, that guy word? Yeah.

What do you think, Craig? Who is that? He's that guy. The Chris Moki, that guy word. He's that guy. He's that guy. He's that guy. He's and everything.

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In the 70s, a lot of TV stuff, 8 is enough, Charlie's Angels, stuff like that. He played Ilya in the White Shadow during the Russians episode,

and he was the Russian who decided to try to, what's the thing they do when they don't, they want to defect. Defecting. It's called defecting, right? So I think he was the one

that wanted to defect. What just happened there? But that was, Chris Munk was on my radar because that was my favorite show. Then he's in first blood. The Stallone movie, he's one of the cops.

He's in the five people that are chasing Stallone. He's in 48 hours, my favorite movie of all time. He's the second cop who breaks up the Jack Cates Reggie Hammond fight. Yeah. It doesn't break up, shows up late, and Jack Cate's like,

why don't you, I just do a report, just tell him what I'm going to say, why don't you do the report? So then we go, now he's like one of those guys. He's in Dreamscape, he's in Runaway, he was in It's Gary Shandling show. I'm still going. He's really hitting all the Bill Simmons quadrants. Oh, he really was.

And then he kind of, kind of cools off. Big comeback in Twin Peaks. Then he's like, it's kind of bouncing around again for a while. I think he's done pretty much every television show in the last 11 years. Well, then has this nice little run here of broken arrow and the fan.

And I think that's right around when he became of that guy. But we've mentioned him a bunch of times. He's in all kinds of things, but never totally made it. But I'm sure he's like... So he's the guy in the purge.

How much money than Chris Mulkies made? Oh, I wouldn't... I mean... Like, how much do you make to be in? like three scenes in a movie. But what if he has like three houses in Sherman Oaks? Oh, he's in Lost? Yeah, you could tell me he's made like a shitload of money.

I'd believe it. Yeah. Because he's working all the time. You're working if you have 10 gigs a year for 40 years. Right. It's got 258 acting credits. It's pretty good. A little place in Santa Barbara.

Maybe a Maui spot. Chris Mokie owns Spotify. The Diane Waiters Award. This is easy. I mean, the crazy female neighbor. It's Ereja Barakas as Grace. Where else do we know her from? She's also a that woman.

She's had a ton of different credits. Every time I see her now, I'm like, oh, that lady from the purge. It's awesome when Lena slams her face into the table. Yeah. You know who didn't win this award was the son, Max Burkholder, who was also the kid from parenthood. Always a weird energy with that kid. I never really bought him on screen. Did research him, though.

Went to Campbell Hall in L.A. and accepted into Harvard class of 2021. So things turned out well for Max. All right, this is big. The recasting couch. This is so easy. Oh, who do you have? It's Sidney Sweeney for Zoe. Oh, do you want to do 2013 or 23?

Oh, we could do whichever one you want. This is for 23. Well, let's make the 2013 better. Okay. Gotta get rid of Lina Hetty. She's not good in this movie. How about Carrie Russell? Thought about her.

Can I give you chastain? sure it's right after um what's chastain doing with this i mean like well is this like right after zero dark 30 right yeah like now it's like ethan hawk and jessica chastain in the purge it would be kind of cool to see her running shit at the end but they would need to give her character a little bit more to do in the beginning can i give you a little laur lindy lindy's character yeah you could Sandra Bullock I mean, again, are you given any of these people

stuff to do? But maybe they didn't give her stuff to do because they were like, oh, Lena's kind of mailing it and she's got a black wig on. We got to cut her scenes.

She looks like she's in a Halloween store. I like Chastain. I like the idea of Chastain in this movie. Okay. Oscar award, Oscar nominees Ethan Hawk and Jessica Chastin.

Yeah, okay. And then if they made this movie now, Sidney's in between the two parts, so we can't put her in. Okay. But so the mom's in like early 40s. So who's that?

Amelia Clark. Let's go. Let's go back to throws. Yeah. I don't know the answer to that. Well, Rose Leslie? Yeah. Yeah.

Oh, that's a good one. Half Ascent. Research. The homicidal ladies and white dresses were based on the Charles Manson ladies. DeMonico was always obsessed with Manson. So you mentioned the Hawk thing. He only took $3,000 up front and then made a bunch of back in. This movie, which you would know if you lived in L.A.,

was turned into a scare zone at Halloween Horror Nights. Did you go to this? Of course. Universal Studios Hollywood. And then they blew it out, and they did Halloween Horror Nights in Orlando. They did a full-scale maze for 25th Halloween Horror Nights in 2015 and keeps going. Is the perch too real for you to enjoy as like a Halloween experience? Did you enjoy it when you went?

I like all that stuff. I'm a bad person. Have you ever done the hunted hay ride in Griffith Park? Yes. I like everything. If it's stuff

where it's like a big thing where people spend money to scare large groups of people, I'm in. So I found this in the research in the climactic scene when the neighbors begin to purge, grace never blinks,

which is like a sign of psychological detachment. Yeah. That's great. The house is located in Chatsworth, California? Is that like Seamy Valley?

Where is that? Craig's our California expert. Yeah, it's like a little bit south of Seamy Valley. Oh, it's what I thought. Yeah. You mentioned that L.A. riots were in the beginning, the beginning montage. There is one bit of half-ass internet research that I really liked,

which was DeMonico in an interview, talking about how a lot of his favorite movies are like 50% of Rotten Tomatoes. And that there is something about movies that are just like either love and Maria Hatham or they're kind of provocative or they're going for something that wind up getting put in that 50% zone. And I think some people might be like sometimes when we pick movies for watchables.

It's like, oh, you know, like, but you haven't done this masterpiece yet. But like, there's a lot of room out there for a 50% Rotten Tomato movie. And in fact, I would say anything above like 45 to 50, if it's a horror movie, I'll check it out. Can I say something to those people? Sure. Can I take a quick digression? Yeah. Thank you for listening.

Is that what we're going to say? Thank you for listening to our free podcast. one of four million podcasts that are out there in the world, including one of like a million movie podcasts. I'm sorry, all of our selections didn't match up to your hopes and dreams. I just want to remind people, this is the 277th movie we've done.

So anybody... I'm not... As you know, I try not to read the Twitter replies. I read one, catch me with the Ken. I was just like, I'm interested... So I actually read some of the Twitter replies, and there was a couple like, finally you picked a good movie

and I'm like, we've done like every good movie. Go in our fucking archives. What movie haven't we done except for like four? Yeah. Like we've intentionally kept like Pulp Fiction and that, you know,

there's a couple bangers left but we can't do that because then that'll be it. The entire all of Sicario and Wayne Jenkins' voice. Yeah, we haven't done Sicario. I mean, we still want to keep some bells and whistles, but for the most part, 277 movies. done. That's like over 600 hours of movies to watch.

I think people like the pod. I was just saying, I'm always amazed with people like, oh, man, guys never do good movies. It's like, we've done an incredible amount of good movies. Go into the archives. And then we've also done the vanishing. Well, you got to mix it up. Country Strong was probably the least defensible thing. That was years ago, though, now. People have gotten that. That was, you know, Liz, who was rising up the ranks of the ringer. This is Craig abandoned on Purge Night. Abandoned on Purge Night.

But, no, that was her favorite movie. I'm glad we did Country Strong. We really want to do, sometimes we pick the movies just for the conversation in the first half hour. And Country Strong was like a Gwyneth Paltrow conversation. But, but yeah, we put,

it's not like we're sitting around, like, CR is in the office at 1258, and we're like, what movie should we do? We got a tape in two minutes. Yeah. And we're like, let's do the vanishing. Like, we don't try to put thought into this.

Anyway, the naysayers can fuck off. Apex Mountain. You're purging our listeners. You're going to listen to the new founding fathers. Apex Mountain. I think you can make a case yes for a hawk. Oh, interesting. Yeah.

I actually thought about this. I thought we kind of maybe decided it was Training Day on Training Day, but let's keep going. So I think that was a mistake because I was thinking about it. Sinister, 2002. and then these three major movies in 2013 and he's kind of one of the biggest movie stars

but in this year. And he single-handly drives the purge. Boyhood's coming. And it feels like he's got the world's his fucking oyster. He also, the degree of difficulty to what he does is much greater than the people who are like in Marvel movies.

Because he's making movies that are usually pretty original and with new directors. It's not like, oh, I'm making Iron Man three or something like that. And I'm the bad guy in it or something. He's always doing like...

We should say we're Ethan Hawksdands. Yes, we are. He came on my podcast. I can't remember like 2017-18 range and was unbelievable. Did the watch, it was like... And he did the watch. He was unbelievable. Like he is a top like five or six podcast guests.

Yeah. And really self-aware, like he would love us talking about his movies. Like some people, they make the movies, they never think about them again. Yeah. And think it's weird that people are like, oh, yeah. Well, I made that, spent three months and wherever and made the movie, and I just booped out the next thing. But Hawk, like, gets it, which is cool.

I'm surprised you were Michelle Williams, never watches their own stuff. Is that true? Yeah. I feel like I would watch my own movies. But you don't like reading the comments about your podcasts. Do you listen to your own podcast? No, I'm saying if you spend all that time making a movie, it would be like watching a home movie, right? You'd be watching, you'd be going, oh, yeah, I remember that scene.

That's when Bob threw up in the trailer. Yeah. You know. Bob. Bob Deereo. Bobby D. Apex Mountain, home invasion movies. I have this on here.

I think it's strangers. Yeah, I think it's strangers, too. I think it's strangers too. Nina Hetty, you could argue yes, because this is the only time she led a successful movie, and she's on Thrones, which is becoming a phenomenon around 2013. So I would say yes.

Definitely for her. Blumhouse is interesting. I don't know what the Apex Mountain is for them. I think getting associated, I think it's work on I think Jordan Peel stuff and like the Blumhouse being part of Get Out

is probably Apex Mountain. So I was going to say rejuvenated the Halloween franchise and 18 on top of already having Get Out where it was like all right, this now feels like a studio that's cracked the coat.

Right. These guys are super smart and they're going to make a lot of money. And after Get Out Halloween, it just felt like they could do anything. Yeah, I guess and it would succeed. The era

when Purge came out with insidious and sinister and paranormal is like the ascendance, right? Yeah. Apex Mountain for pre-Trump 2010's political commentary movies? How about evil boyfriends gone bad in really bizarre ways? I wish we had more of Henry. I wish we knew a little bit more about him. Yeah, could he, like, live for another half hour? Yeah.

And then, like, then it would have been kind of cool if he gets shot in the arm or if Ethan Hawk misses, They tie him up. And then Henry's back in Zoe's room and he's like, it's the Persianite. I can kill your dad. Yeah. Is this Apex Mountain

for me getting mad at the listeners for movie picks? 277 movies. What do you want from us? All those accounts are me. They're my bots. Somebody in the Twitter, this is why I don't read Twitter plus.

Somebody was complaining that we did three Hank's movies this year. I'm like, oh, sorry. The greatest actor of the last 35 years. Sorry, we dipped in this collection. Don't re-religate this argument when Sean's not here. Well, Sean lost. You know, whatever.

In his baseball reference, Oh, he lost. You were like, I've been gotten on my own time. Multiple people reached out to me. Multiple guys coming up to you on the street tears in those. Most people reached out, like, fucking fantasy. It was on one. Who's multiple people? Give me one. Lasker. Okay. He was like, Sean's crazy. Hanks is the goat.

Okay. Craig thought Sean was crazy. They just talked about it on big picture with Wesley. They just came out a couple days ago. yeah, Sean brought it up again. Tom Cruise could never have played Josh Baskin and Big. That's an absurd

Sean was, oh, he could have. No way. Any other Ipex Mountain? No. Best race house, racehorse name? I think Release the Beast. Let's bring it here. Release the Beast or just purge.

Here comes Purge. Here comes the purge. The purge. Yeah, the purge is even better. Picky Knits. I got one that just jump us off. Okay. So when she's making dinner in the beginning of this movie,

this is kind of maybe an indicative of the lack of budget. If you look in the fridge, when she opens the fridge up, it's just ketchup. There's like five bottles of ketchup and like six mustards. You think that's intentional? I don't think it's like because she loves making... They ran out of money to even grocery shop for the movie. It's just like, let's just get a bunch of condiments. Nobody will notice, but I notice.

Go to Costco. That's a good one. Wouldn't Ethan have way more money if he was engineering that many alarm systems for a person? I think he's just a sales guy. He's still getting commissions. And I think that they built an extension on their Seamy Valley home and they think that they live in a good

neighborhood where that kind of shit won't happen. I have another picking it about the extension. Okay. If we know one out of every 365 days crime is legal and anything can happen, I'm not building an extension. I'm building like what Jamie Lee Curtis had and the Halloween remake in 2018.

Yeah. I want an under. I want a seller that you just go down. I'm doing what the guys in Last of Us did and get the flame throwers outside of my house. Yeah. Just be like, yeah, you guys come try it. The, the, uh, the monaco, the picking nits, you mentioned the boyfriend. Even he admits the character didn't really work.

And that initially it was supposed to be the daughter trying to kill the dead. Right. Over the boyfriend. That would be awesome. The studio refused to allow it. The boyfriend was a rewrite. that's an incredible idea. The daughter being like,

you're fucking holding me down, dad, with a gun. And it's Pershingite, so she could have gotten away with it. I thought that was fantastic. Yeah. That's a great idea. That's a much better movie

if they do that. No more pick a net. Oh, no, I got some. Oh, what do you got? They're sitting there at dinner. And, like, he's like, oh, man, look what time it is. Wait, I better start the security protocol.

It's like, on Perginite, I would never lose track of what time it was. I would be singularly. focused of like, yeah, I'm not sitting, I'm not, hold on, wait a second. Does the NBA happen on purge night? It's like a night off like March Madness? No, they should do, it would be like Rocket Spurs, only one team leaves. And we're going to purge one of the taking teams from the NBA.

It's Rocket Spurs, there's no ball. Yeah. Sengoon has a flamethrower. I think that's a category five weapon. He's not allowed to do that. Jay the Green is dead. Yeah. Kevin Porter Jr.

But yeah, like I would just never be like, oh, geez, it's almost six. I was just lost in this great meal. That's true. I would have the same way. I'd be incredibly focused on the time. It probably would have set some Apple phone alarms leading toward it. Yeah. And then the last thing was just what you just mentioned, which is just like, what did Henry think Zoe's reaction was going to be?

He was like, I killed your dad. So we're good now, right? We can just keep dating. that was mine too what was his plan immediately after killing Ethan Hawk Then what

I am now the dad Well don't you have to take out mom too At that point Yeah I mean I was kind of like Are you gonna slaughter her whole family And just be like And now we can be together Yeah like he clearly hates Ethan Hawk

More than he loves Zoe Yes Yeah And also there's like that weird edge to it Where it's like he's older than her He's like yeah but you're so mature It's like why is this guy such a piece of shit It's a really weird choice

sequel prequel prestige TV all blackcast or untouchable and they've done all of them yeah it's the first one yeah it almost like we might need to rename this

the purge category the full purge sequel prequel prestige TV all black cast or untouchable five for five unbelievable we've never had that before

we've had these categories since last summer if you first time we've ever hit all five but we I think what we missed is how does this sequel prequel all black cast prestige TV or how does this affect the NBA? Or how does this lead to Sangoon killing Jalen Green and the game with the ball?

Can you imagine Adam Silver's press conference about purge night? It's like, well, we got a lot of digital impressions. We're really loving the social engagement with first night. Listen, we have to be, you know, we're there for the players. If the players want this, then we have to figure out how to do Perj night. Then we'd have the first takes the next day. Yeah. Kauai Leonard missed

purge night again three straight purge nights In the 80s Purge Night All we had was baseball match on Pershingite in the 80s Did we complain?

No. Flying coach These guys are making 50 million a year They don't want to purge And then JJ would be like I don't understand

Why we can't I don't understand The concept of purging That's what I don't understand Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins. Danny Trail, Catherine,

and Steve Boshabies, Sam Jackson. I worked really hard on this because there's so few characters. But I just think it would be great if Wayne Jenkins just happened to be over for dinner that night. It was like, goddamn, Mary! I don't know if I was eating with a Super Chef when you, Gail Simmons, over there?

You're telling me there are no carbs in this? Hey, by the way, Purge Knight's night. You're going to jail a long fucking time. Or you're not going to jail a long fucking time because it's Persianite. Great stuff. I was thinking it would be funny if

if Wayne was in the last scene with Grace. God damn, Grace! I realize you're a sociopath. Oh my God. Just want to ask her who gets it. Probably Ethan Hawk just by default. Yeah.

Unless you want to give Grace best. supporting actually. All right. I have a lot of unanswerable questions. Oh yeah, I have a lot of them. So, I mean, the biggest one for me

every time I watch is, what crimes aren't allowed during the purge? Like, is everything allowed? Or do they decide? I think the idea is that people are exercising all of the violent stuff that have, like, that they're thinking of doing and all that

what I don't understand is, like, there seems to be some people who purge and they're like, I'm going to take this night out on the most disadvantaged people in society. But then there's Grace who's like, I'm going to fucking settle some scores tonight. Right. How do you then go the next day?

And this gets into Z-Wan Neo. But like, what happens when Grace and Mary are just a Gelson's next day? Well, Grace has a fucking nose bandage on it. And she's not blinking. Yeah, and she's not blinking with the, Rip Hamilton mask. I mean, this is, this is grisly, but like, is sexual assaults out?

Like, all the sex stuff must be out, right? It's just like killing is the time. Well, I mean, my probably answer to a question was why was so many of the people in that guy's little group so horny? Because it was the violence made them, got their testosterone going. But the women were horny too. But that's what I mean. They got all the hormones going.

It was just the excitement of the night, purge night. It's like purge night slash Ice Storm party Guess what it doesn't make me horny By the purge Blood and death I mentioned it's earlier But what was the hospital situation

The next morning? Like we just know I think it's carnage Absolutely carnage Can you imagine Can you imagine the slate Think pieces Five days later

About the hospitals Is the new founding fathers They've cancelled slate But yeah The think pieces about the hospitals. Yeah. Like the long New York Times

feature about doctor whoever dreading his fifth year with the purge. You don't understand how many bodies were brought in? And how long

would it take to bring all the bodies if they're all happening at the same time? I think it's more of a morgue situation. I think that the idea is that on Purge night

like you finish the job. I wanted to know what kind of Yelps Mr. Sandin's security company got because it just seems like he's just like yeah, these things

can't actually hold up against Eddie's estate. Did the purge work? Because they said crime went down. Crime was at 1%. So were they saying this was a successful strategy to keep crime down? I mean, I'm going to say that means it was successful. We would take crime one person.

Yeah, but the flip of that is that, like, you could get purged. Right. You know? So you're basically, it's like if... Like some guy could just be like, tonight because Bill's never done alien on the reward. watchables, I'm just going to kill Bill.

We're going to do alien at some point. I think it was unemployment was at 1% not crime. Yeah, crime's low. Why is unemployment low? I don't get that. I don't know. Maybe it's because it's got like... Is it great jobs? Because there's a hospital where everybody has to work at the morgue. Yeah. It's all the body clean up. Blood cleanup?

Body cleanup places. I didn't get that. So maybe the stats are like like if Damien Lillard scored 330 points tonight in a game, and then average 20 points a game for the other 60 games. You think it's like it goes really high

his average is high because he had the like it's like point differential thing. Yeah. Did people get rich off the purge who invested in glass companies and door companies? Oh, that's a great idea. So like during the pandemic

there was that like two month window and pretty smart but also kind of crazy people looked at it and were like, oh, this is going to spend a lot of money. I'm shorting cruise lines. Yeah, I'm going to spend money this. Yeah.

I would invest in high pressure hoses. So the new founding fathers clear the purge. Yeah. It's done. It's down in effect, March 21st. So I'm immediately buying door and glass. I'm just going in. Yeah.

Because you figured, like, how many, there's got to be so much broken glass. Yeah, you would get, you, you would, I mean, Simply Safe is printing money right now. Simply safe. Yeah. Let's take a break. So did we vote on the purge or did the founding father shoe warranted in?

So is this a democratically institution thing? Was it like, oh my God, I can't believe we lost the vote? In future purge movies, they talk about how the purge first happens on Staten Island as like a pilot program. Oh. So they kind of roll it out slowly. Yeah, they roll it out slowly. Did everyone get the rest of the week off to dispose of the body? Or do you have to go back to work the next day?

Yeah, like work 9 o'clock? Yeah. Wow, Bob, you look a little worse for it. Well, we did have the purge. Oh, my whole neighborhood is dead. And is it kind of like a what happens in Vegas thing? I think it is. Or are you the next day?

You're like, hey, man, you really kind of like release the beast last night, didn't you? You want to talk about it? Or like... You were like, oh, I released the beast. Or like, does like group chat the next day say like, oh, my God, I can't believe Jalen Green killed Singoon. What does this mean for the Rockets going forward? You're supposed to go players of the other team.

Well, that's another thing. Were there fantasy leagues for the purge? I had that one written down to. You know that there's betting for the purge. There's betting, right? Yeah. But then is it, so you go to work, like Craig goes into work, and he sees Bobby Wagner.

He's like, how many last night? Bobby's like, I only got eight. And Craig's like, I got 12. You'll be 20 bucks. What happens to, like, bosses? Because I imagine a lot of bosses are going to get murdered, right? I think it's a, we're in a world where people are, like, rejecting promotions.

Right. There's just like, no, I'm okay, I don't need a bigger, I don't need a bigger management tree. Yeah, because, Matt, you go to work the next day and, like, 10% of the companies in America, their bosses were just murdered? Yeah. How's that work? That's my next purge question. I mean, if you killed Sean, think of all, you move up, you get the big picture, you don't have

to argue with them anymore on the rewatchables. Like, would you target somebody who's kind of in your way professionally? cute that you're like, I wouldn't target you. You're like, would you target one of your best friends? Or was he? It's a less of the Purge. Who is your friend?

First day, rewatchable's alien second. But they do the if they did the Perch TV series again, that's a way more fun way to do it, I think, where people are looking at it strategically to advance their professional or to settle professional scores.

You know that, and like bosses are so nice the week before the purge. Yeah, man. You want to go? You want you to just cut out early today? Got you a coffee. Best double feature choice. Why come over? Mary's making gluten-free dinner.

Grace is coming by. We're in a fucking dominatrix after. Zoe's got this new boyfriend, but, uh... You had any more in answer rules? No, that's it. I think I got all of them. Okay. Best double feature choice.

The purge, too, Anarchy. is a great combo. You can bang it out in three hours. And you get Grillo. Is that movie good? Yeah. Perch 2 is good. Perch 2 is fun.

It's probably... Saracen and Grillo. Is that the best Grillo movie? I think it's my favorite Grillo movie. He's got there's... I mean... I liked him a lot in Kingdom that MMA show. Yeah, I like Kingdom too.

Cops shop. I think Perjian and Agreed might be it. Yeah, I think it is. And that was when I got to know him a little bit because my son became friends with his son. And it was like, hey, and my wife's like, his dad's an actor, Frank. I'm like, Frank.

What's his last name? And then never thinking was Frank Grillo. Yeah. So why would he have a son at my kids school? Was he basically, is he like his own persona? He's just like the really happy, good guy. That's nice. So, hey, we're like, you know, a little Italian.

Just like you. Yeah. Just a little Italian. Just, yeah. He's a full-fledged at time. But yeah, it's just funny to see him because you see him in these movies and he's just like in a zombie apocalypse

or the purge. The Indian Reds-Waner word for what happened the next day. We talked about this, but probably just clean up for the next couple days there. Yeah, but like if you have a failed purge of somebody

and then the next day you're like taking your kids to soccer, isn't it kind of tense? I'll fucking see you next purge. 3653 days away, motherfucker. What piece of memorability would you want from this movie? Probably the nine ball that he hits the guy with.

Oh, that's a good one. I was thinking the leader's mask, silent, scary guy. Yeah, but where would you wear that really? You wouldn't. You were just, my son would be impressed. Coach Finstock Award, best life lesson. Don't let anyone in your house turn the purge. That's the one thing I learned.

What I would do is, if I was like the sandins, I would create like a basically unperpetitable bunker in the basement. And then I would turn off the cameras and just be like, we're taking an ambient at 10 p.m. and we're going to bed. Yeah.

You know, like, and it's like doing a cross-country flight. Yeah. It's like, wake me up when, when it's 7 a.m. What do you, you want to be aware of everything?

I'm not going to bed. Craig's, Craig's settling some scores. Yeah. Who in the movie? I have Blumhouse. Yeah, that's a good one.

I was going to say Hawk, but you have, I mean, because Hawk, got paid and did a good job in this, but Blumhouse really starts... Hawks a good answer, too. But yeah, I feel like this really gets the Blumhouse thing going.

All right, Craig, what'd you think? Craig had never heard of this movie. Well, I had heard of it. Well, like, from a... You didn't think it was going to be a rewatchable. No, I didn't. You guys missed, I think, a portion of the sports conversation. They would definitely make purge sports.

There would be every year. They'd be like... Oh, it would be like running, man, for sure. It'd be like, like, they'd bring back gladiators, I think. There'd be like a Roman Coliseum, and there'd be like the two... guys gearing up all year for the death match. But the problem with it is that you couldn't have any live sports in person because people would be killing each other in this crowd too. That's amazing.

Whatever, just stream it in a coliseum alone. Some guy just makes a run at Steve Balmer. This is what the Gene League should do. This is how you get it going. This is the secret sauce for the XFL. Yeah. Right. I like this movie more than I thought I would, to be honest. This is not my genre, but I love that it was 85 minutes. I didn't know it was contained. in the house. Like, this is essentially just fucked up home alone. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. This could like, you could just say this was Kevin McAllister older. That's what it's also like, it's

really cool when horror movie franchises get to do this where they do the first one's fast and cheap and out of control. They usually have to make it in some sort of contained area. And then the next one is like, ooh, we're really exploring here. Yeah. You know? What would you, you guys didn't say, what would you do? Maybe you don't

want to answer. It's essentially the trolley problem is this movie, right? Like, what would you do with the homeless guy? That this is why I'm going to take an am. be in and go in the basement. But if he's in your house? Oh, I mean... You letting him out? I would try not to be like a full of shit security salesman and like have like a security system that worked

and just be like, yeah, man. Yeah, but once he's in the house and he might, you don't know if he's going to kill you, you don't know anything about the person. Like, you have to go in and protect your family mode at that point. Yeah. But... You're in here first. They're kicking him out. Craig's taking him down.

I'm taking it. I'm letting him hang. I think Craig's taking him to walk around the neighborhood with it. Rockets? Rockets first. Two more guys just died. I don't know why they didn't just leave. Pop's last game. Literally.

Why don't they just leave out the back door? Just run away. I think because there was a lot of perjers. They were pretty surrounded. And then I think the thing that you find when you get into the future purge movies is that like it's just bad to be out in the streets. Yeah.

It's not a lot of safe zones. That's what escape from New York was like. Yeah. I'm booking a 12-hour flight to Sweden. And I'm just checking out. Solo? Yeah. What if the pilot kills you?

See, this is the problem. That's a good unanswerable. The purge on a plane. What if you booked, because the purge was only, that's good. The purge is only 12 hours. So you fly to Australia. You fly to Australia and the plane the whole time

and the airline could be like, no purging is allowed. But maybe it's once you leave American airspace, you can't kill, but when you're above America. Oh, it's like an argo where they immediately start drinking when they get out of Iranian airspace. Yeah. There's something there with air purge.

So that would be like a good sequel where the purge, where the purge that's not allowed in the airplane but somebody didn't get the memo it's like Air Force One or something

Yeah Yeah That would be good Definitely Southwest Airlines It would be the Has to be Southwest Spirit Airbus

All right That's it for the purge I don't know What's coming next week We'll have to look through the catalog We've done 277 movies Maybe we'll do another

Tom Hanks movie Who's one of the greatest Tweet at Bill What movie you want next We'll do Man Called Auto next Yeah tweet at me I'm not going to look at it man called auto is that rewatched me yet can we do that uh for chris ryan and

craig horebeck thanks for producing craig i'm bill i'll see you next week