The Rewatchables - The Re-‘Den of Thieves’ LIVE With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

Episode Date: January 7, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan didn’t appreciate the sold-out crowd in Los Angeles popping off like that after rewatching the 2018 heist film ‘Den of Thieves,’ starring Gerard Butler, O’Shea Jackson Jr., 50 Cent, and Pablo Schreiber. Watch this episode on our Ringer Movies YouTube channel! Producer: Craig Horlbeck Video Producer: Jack Sanders Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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but if you wanna send anything else along the way, you can send it to the rewatchables 33 at gmail.com. What you're about to listen to, we taped a couple weeks ago. We loved the movie, Dent of Thieves. We'd already done it on the rewatchables a few years ago. We decided to do it again. We were trying to actually experiment with something in the LA Spotify office. We had a smaller crowd, and we were just in the experimenting phase.

I don't know what to tell you, but we decided to do Denna Thieves again. And it's me, and it's Van Lathen, and it's Chris Ryan. And the reason we did it is because Denna Thieves, too, is coming out on Friday and we were excited about it. So we were like, you know what? Screw it. Let's do Denny Thieves One again.

So that's what we did. You're about to listen to it. Let's play the trailer for all the time's sake. The Federal Reserve. Same like the whole city go against me. The only bank that's never been robbed. Every time I'm in the street. That's why we're going to rob.

There's $800 billion in there. Vacation to join. from the inside. How are you going to get out of this one? Keep watching. Radar. We'll see how long I can keep the jacket. I might get hot up here, but I want to rock it.

Yeah, that could get hot after a little bit. The official Den of Thieves Pantera jacket. It's unbelievable. C.R. was like a kid on Christmas when you saw that on the sofa. Thank you to Lionsgate. Thank you to Den of Thieves to Pantera because that's why we rarely do this where we've already done the rewatchables episode. And we say, fuck it.

do it again. So we did this the first time, what was it, 2019 pre-COVID? Yeah. And, you know, we didn't have a lot of the categories in. We didn't have Vann. Was the ringer yet? Van loves this movie. So we just said, screw it, let's ruin it back. This is a movie, the sequel, which we knew was coming. Yes. At the end of Den of Thieves I, it's alluded to the idea that there's more to this story and that'll take

place across the Atlantic. Van, you said something interesting when we were hanging around before. The slow Burn movie that hits on cable or wherever. And it does a certain whatever in the theater, this movie did well in the theater, but then, you know, one of the reasons we have this podcast, it gets a second life of its own. This is going to be one of those movies where the sequel does better than the original. Of course, the two reasons why I was interested in it.

One is because they all went on the breakfast club, and I love it when white people go on the breakfast club. So I see this list of people on the breakfast club, and it's like 50-cent Pablo Shriver. Yeah. And Gerard Butler. I want to know who Gerard Butler think won the Jay-Z versus Nause beef.

Yeah. And so that's okay, the movie's interesting. And then to a man, every single person that had seen the movie was like, yo, man, you got to see Dinner Thieves. Like, Dinner Thieves is actually crazy. And I watched it and I'm like, I'm vibing with these characters, man.

This is my type of joint. C.R. You're the reason I saw this movie. Yeah. Like, we've known each other a long time since 2011. I'd say seven, eight times in my life with you. You just sent me a text and be like, Bill. I think what happens is I'll send you the text.

I'll be like, if you've seen Den of Thieves, I'm going to get around to it. Then if I see you in person, I pull you aside. I put my hand on your shoulder and I say, hey, have you seen Den of Thieves? And you're like, I'm going to do it this weekend. And then 10 days later, I get a text that says, huh, Den of Thieves. on watch number three in 10 days. And the thing about this movie is it essentially has these three chunks, right? It's got everything up until Merriman is like, we're cop killers now.

And you're like, holy shit. And then it's got the middle part where you're like, this is amazing. I want this to go on for five hours. Yeah. And then it has the last hour and six minutes, which is just hard as anything else and has three robberies or three shootouts essentially. And you can watch any given part in any order. and you can just as soon as one's on, you're just like, I'm in, I'm watching the whole thing.

And the movie legitimately keeps you off balance. Yes. Like there are three or four different times, like when I was first watching the movie, I'm like, oh, shit. Like what's about to happen? When they pass each other, when he's at the house with the girl,

I thought it was going to go down right thing. Then the same question that he asked him when he's, when they're in the bank, he goes, how are you going to get out of this one? That's what the fuck I was thinking. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, there's no way to get out of this situation.

Like, he's cooked. But the movie keeps you off balance and keep you off the balance until the payoff is just immense at the end. Well, it starts out. We get the card at the top. Yeah. 2,400 times a year, 44 times a week, nine times a day. Every 48 minutes, it's just flashing up. A bank is robbed here.

And then it goes away and then it comes back. That's like the text. This is the bank robbery capital of the world. I'm like, all right, I'm in. That's the text equivalent of when, like, when Billy Bob Thornton is talking about fossil fuels on landmander. It's like, absolutely. I believe it. And it's the same thing for the text.

The text you're just like, all right, I guess I don't witness bank robberies every 44 minutes. I'm about the same. Where did it happen in it? It happened all over the place. I ain't seen one yet. 48 minutes. Every 48 minutes feels like a lot. Feels like a lot.

That would be like every time you go to the bank, there's a one in eight chance. Yeah. You're just going to get robbed. I think about that. I'm like, yo, man, online forever. I don't want to be in the middle of it. It would be funny if that was completely made up. And it was just like, I wonder if they'll believe this.

They put it in front of the movie and then like you repeat it without verifying it. Yeah. You have a party somewhere. You're like, I bet you didn't notice every 48 minutes in Los Angeles. Yes. So, CR, do your thing about a crime movie versus the heist movie. Oh, yeah. Well, this is like, I talked about this on the first one.

but there was like this idea that a crime movie is essentially about the culture around crime. So in some ways, I think, like, heat is actually like a really good crime film because it's not just about these guys pulling a bank job. It's about why they're pulling a bank job. It's all the circumstances that led them to this moment where they're pulling it. Ocean's 11 is a heist movie because it's about the mechanics of pulling off a heist. It's about all the little layers of how they're going to get into the casino. And Den of Thieves is both.

It's about the culture of what led these guys to these moment and L.A. and the L.A. crime scene, but then it's also about this super elaborate breaking into one bank to tunnel into another bank to sneak out with Chinese food and get $30 million in shredded money. It's also a movie to me that, like, examines a culture that I wasn't familiar with yet. Now, we ended up getting a whole bunch of information on clicks and organizations inside of the L.A. Sheriff's Department. But at that point, I didn't really know much about it. And to see those guys on screen like that, it was almost like Alonzo's people from Training Day, but if they had a little bit more of an actual code and aim to stop crime. So the ambiguity of what in this movie is actually criminal,

it muddles who you want to win. And that, as much as anything else in the plot keeps you off balance throughout the whole movie, too. For sure. Well, you mentioned heat. So the biggest the biggest criticism of this movie with the dushy people who reviewed it, they know who they are.

They're in the wrong. Was that it was a heat rip-off. We prefer to think of it. It's the sons of heat, right? Triple Frontier. This movie. What are the other sons of heat? Because heat comes out in 1995

and there's a bunch of movies that are clearly influenced in different ways. I mean, he's influenced pretty much every movie that's come from it. I mean, like, every movie that came afterwards. I mean, like, you could go as big as dark night, or you could say something like triple nine, or like there's just tons of crime movies that have come out that have referenced it.

I think that the thing that this movie really grabbed onto is the idea that he has, but this movie takes to another level too is just this, like, the robber and the cop being on these paths that are, like, going to collide at some point. That they're essentially the same person. Yeah. That their obsession with whatever it is that they're doing

clouds their judgment and infiltrates every single part of their life. Yeah, and in some ways, like, I mean, Merriman is more principled than Big Nick in this movie, so they have the, like, kind of, like, who are you watching? Who are you rooting for? I think fades and changes throughout the film. But then they twist everything with this usual suspects plot with Donnie, right?

So that's the thing that I think is the curveball that keeps you off balance throughout the movie. Is this, like, why is... We keep going back to the driver. We keep going back to Donnie. I know it's an important actor and everything, but like what's happening here? And it's only until the last shot, Kaiser-Sose-S-S-A-style that. And something else about Heat that's a little different here is that, obviously in Heat, you have

Shiharlas, who is like all problems, right? He's like going through it, whatever. But Neil and the Pacino character are pretty invincible. They, I mean, they go through things, right? Yeah. But they're pretty one-dimensional in terms of- They're samurai. They're like, this is what I do.

these characters are not. Like guy in the middle of divorce talking to his daughter through a fence, he's crying. You have O'Shea Jackson's character, and you took it off already, brother. It gets hot up here. You couldn't take it. I knew that was going to happen. But anyway,

most of these characters, they have different dimensions to them where you see a little weakness and vulnerability from them. Sons of heat, we left at the town. The town, yeah. Yeah, that was another one. So I had crime movie versus heist movie. A bank robbery movie for bank robbery fans?

Oh, yeah. Right? There's some touches. You really have to love it. It's like watching non-majors golf. You know, it's like I just really like really like watching Maxx. The culture. Yeah, the culture of rabbit banks.

And then just a lot of alpha male stare downs. Yeah. You mentioned one of them before. But this movie, you could have maybe done two stare downs and they have like four or five. The entire film is like, like, four or five. The entire film is like one gigantic dick measuring contest. Yeah. Yeah.

You have Benny Hanna. You have the gun range. You have in the... Prom date. Well, you have... And then you have the day after when Pablo Schreber's... You have literally the lowest form of dick measuring, which is my high school used to fuck over your high school. Right.

Which is something that we do in Louisiana all the time. Oh shit. You went to Capitol? Yeah. I used to tell y'all motherfucking ass is up. I'm 44. You know what I'm saying? Right.

It was 1996, but it still happens. Would you be able to recognize people from a high school you played? Absolutely. Yes. 22 years later? Okay. Yes. I just want to make sure.

I still know their names. All right. So after watching this movie a bunch of times, and the first time we did the pod, the movie had been out probably like a year and a half. I think so. I've seen it at least 10 times since. This movie checks a lot of boxes for the kind of.

kind of thing we love, including when people say things like, What happened back there? We're cop killers now. The flashback of the parole prisoner leaving. He says it's so much cooler than that. I'm just ripping through it. You do it. Do your version.

Do your version. He's like, we're cop killers now. Like, he says he's got swag. Van, you want to go? Yeah, sure. We're cop killers now. Yeah. That was best.

All right, Ben Wins. Cop killers now. That's good. That's good. You just needed more than one take. Yeah, that's okay. That's two takes. We have one of my favorites, one of paroled prisoner leaves,

and the prison guard has to give the, see you soon, Ray. Such a dick move. The guys aren't out of jail. See, this is my problem with the prison system. Why are you talking to him like that? Right. Yeah. He's getting out.

It's the happiest day of his life. Yeah, like you give him shit. Yeah, like, can't wait until you get back. let him go, the girl's there. We have a cop saying, yeah, I guess I'm getting divorced. Join the club. We have the bank that's never

been robbed. Oh my God, and that's why we're going to rob it. A fucking staple. But one of my favorite things about a heist movie is talking about just how impregnable a place is that's about to get robbed. And somehow there's a ton of information about the place and ventilation of it.

the guy on the phone talking to the cops, you just killed a hostage. Boom. Love that. And then I like when there's like intricate detail about shooting where like in this one, he's like suspects wearing body armor, limb and head shots only.

Yeah. It's like that's some fucking deep dive shit. Lim and head shots only. That means shoot them either in the head or in the arm. Yeah. Yeah. That's the Alameda corridor, man. You just got to come really, come ready to.

Rock. This movie's playing it all. So, Gerard Butler, who I knew from 300. I knew from Law Abiding Citizen. I knew from a movie my family loves called Chacy Mavericks. Oh, yeah, that was a big movie. Yeah, that was a big movie in the Simmons house. You're not an Olympus's Falling guy?

Well, he did the two Fallen movies. He's also really good in Rock and Rolla, I think. Is that the great loss? But there was like some rom-com stuff with him, and he was like, is he going to be Nick Cage? Is he going the Ryan Reynolds path? What is this? And then he finds himself in Big Nick, Chris. Yeah.

Sometimes you've got to age into the rules that you want. I think this is a case where it's like he was a beefcake. He was a rom-com star. He did some like crime movies or whatever. But Big Nick and all the movies around this time seems to be, this is where he was always headed. And this look, being able to wear that weight, wear that age, the bags under his eyes.

I don't think he could have done that 10 years prior. Yeah. I mean, those guys, a lot of times, you come out and they fill around with it. Even Matthew McCona, he had like an awkward period where he was trying to figure out who he was in Hollywood. But when Girard figured it out. Who is he? Did he figure it out? Yeah, yeah.

All right, all right, all right. He's the pooled out from Texas. Well, Butler gained 25 pounds for this movie. Yeah. And, you know, sometimes you hear with method actors, maybe off the screen. They're trying to capture what's in there with the character. You just get the feeling Butler might have been getting after it a tiny bit. Well, I just think it's perfect for Big Nick, though.

Big Nick doesn't sleep. No combat fan. I mean, he's leathery. He's grizzled. He's sweaty? Yeah, he looks like a guy that, you know, if you're in a situation with him, you think twice about it before you fuck with him. And that's the kind of thing that you have to give off to make this role really work. He looks like a guy from the 1970s.

Like, they stopped making dudes looking like that. In 1986. He looks like a guy who got home at 6 in the morning. accidentally texted his wife instead of a stripper and then drank from milk in the fridge. Boy, I tell you what. Without putting in a glass. So, like, in one scene, one thing that is decidedly white and then another thing that is decidedly black. Oh, this is a good rewatchable's category.

Yeah. Right. Careful. But only the black thing you don't mean. But, like, every time I see, let me sure they only have white characters do this in movies. Every time I see somebody go to a refrigerator and drink whole milk out of the gallon early in the morning, I'm like, God damn, that's Caucasian. But see, the other part of it where you text your girl, but you really meant to text the stripper, my homie's been through that. Like, we're like, I'm putting there.

Like, dude, what should I say? What you mean? We need to find the guy who's done both and make him president. Exactly. So when we did this in 2019, we talked about how this would have been the perfect Nick Cage role in like the mid, late 2000s, and then Nick Cage hazed out of it. And now it's six years. Like who is the actor now that would be the big Nick O'Brien?

I think that like Pedro Pascal maybe, Wagner, maybe. You're looking at me like because you're just like there's only one. No, you didn't... I don't know if we hit it. I really think it's a hard... You have to have some experience with the actor. They have to look a little physically different. They have to look like this might be happening

in them as they're filming the movie. It's a hard needle to thread. Like, Affleck, I think, could have done it in the mid-2000s, late 2000s. Affleck, Afleck, Boston, Boston. Yeah. Could Drake... Who else?

You know what? It's weird. There's a version of this in the multiverse where Leah Shriver plays Big Nick. Because he could play... That got a groan from the crap. But it would be brother versus brother.

Brother versus brother. One went to Long Beach Polly, one south torrents. Pablo Shriver, half brother of the... Six foot five. I would say he's about as tall as you can get as an actor and be the lead in a movie when everyone else is so short in Hollywood. You can't really go higher than six, five.

Yeah. Right? Like, he could be six, seven. He looks like he could play. for the Chargers. Yeah, he's huge. He looks like a tight end. We knew him as Sabaka on the Wire.

Sabaka, yeah. Way, way, way back. And he was so good in season two. And then, you know, just was in a bunch of good stuff. Arch's the New Black. Yeah. I think this is my favorite performance of his. It's transformative.

It's awesome. He's incredible in this. Yeah. Like. Ray Merriman. Yeah, just kind of has a lot of what you need for a role. Like this intensity, but at the same time, you have to believe that there's some sort of code

and it comes across really well when he's on screened. There are certain things that he doesn't want to and won't do. Is Ray Merriman a fun hang? Probably not. It's like, come on over to the barbecue at Ray's house. It's like not a lot of laughs at Ray's house. Ray is just people grimly eating. Eating steak unadorned on a paper plate.

Yeah. By himself. See, I think. Like he's not going to have a lot of thoughts on the 12th team college playoff. Yeah. He's like, you guys, I don't know. How does Boise steak get a box? I don't get it.

So I think that he's probably, this is the thing about this little group. I think that they're probably fun within themselves, but not fun for anybody else. They probably have a lot of fun talking about getting to the ex-field in Baghdad circa 2006. But that's not some shit I want to hear about. Right, right.

Honestly, fan, I rarely do this with you, but disagree. It all scenes that we see with these guys, they're like, do you want to lift? Like, let's lift. But look, that's all they do. They don't, like, they're not talking. Okay, but there's one. I get it.

There's one scene that makes me feel different when they're intimidating. The prom date. The prom date. And then after they intimidate the prom date, they go back in here and I'm like, you know, these guys are not about to have a laugh about this.

They were serious. But then they all break down. But the one time that these guys crack up is when they're threatening to put a teenager in a wheelchair. Yeah. All other times, including at Benihana before Nick gets there. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. They are hard as fucking nails. Like, They don't, like, there's no laughter. There's only robbery. I got family here, bro. Don't appreciate you pop it off like this, bro.

30 million dollar budget made $85 million. And the key to this movie was it did well. And then it hit this whole cable world, really in the last kind of vestiges of when that would happen. Because now it's just like it's all streamers. You're deciding. you know, what do I want to watch? Oh, I'll go to Netflix.

Oh, I like that thumbnail. I'll click on that. This was still the era of you just went to a cable guide and looked around and saw it was on. And Den of Thieves was on. I would say for nine months straight on Showtime. There's like three Showtime channels. It was just on one of the three constantly.

And that was where I think the Secret Sauce came in with the movie. Yeah. I mean, I think that how many films do we could use name in like the last three years that did something like this? You know what I mean? Like since COVID, I think it's been a real like drought where we're not really seeing films

that are getting like a second life, a second legs. And people have talked about this where it's like the home TVD market. Everything about it has kind of killed the idea of films having a second life. But this film did well in the box office and then it I think it just became huge. Another thing is there's just so many movies. Like you're going through

your prime video or whatever and you see a movie and it's like, oh my God, most deaf John Lithgow Anthony Hopkins. And are you like, should I watch this? And then, you know what I mean? But this one, you literally got a vote of confidence from so many different people. Like, my cousin hit me up, and I know that he's excited about a movie

wherever he puts that in front of the name of the movie. So he'll be like, oh, man, did you see that Denna Thieves? Yeah. But that that lets me know. Yeah. He fucking loved that. Van, did you see that conclave? Did you see that in the problem?

You see that, Lord? And so. You see that brutalist? That's how he is That's the Bruneris And so I watch it And I'm like, yeah, man I've seen that dinner thee

That's crazy No Roger Ebert for this Every rewatchable's episode We read a Roger Eber review But he was long gone Because he died in 2014 But I did ask chat GBT Roger Ebert

Oh my God Had to find out And they said he thought That chat GBT thought He would like it Denner Thieves has been praised for its gritty action and tense heist sequences. Some critics find a derivative of earlier crime films like heat.

Again, they can all fuck themselves. Did Roger Ebert write that? No, Chad GBT, Roger Ebert wrote this? Based on this, Ebert might have given it two and a half to three stars acknowledging its entertainment value while pointing out its lack of originality or depth. Chat, GBT, settle down. Yeah.

I think he would have gone three stars. I think he would have liked the action stuff. Yeah, I think, yeah, he probably would have. brought up other high stuff. I think he also would have seen that there was like, it harkened back to like French connection. It harkens back to less classic cop movies from the seven. It's the kind of movie that should be made every three, four years.

And I also think he would have enjoyed the fact that even though the movie is familiar in ways, it doesn't play it safe as far as its story. Yep. It goes for some new things that maybe some of those other movies did storywise. This episode is brought to you by Apple and AT&T. Scroll long enough and you'll hear it all. miracle diets, fitness trends, you name it. But with iPhone and Apple Watch, you get meaningful insights from a very trusted source,

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Yep. So we get Erie L.A., which L.A., I don't know if other cities operate in the same way, but there's this whole other world of L.A. at night, middle of the night, two, three in the morning where you just kind of don't know what the fuck's going on

and a bunch of different parts, right? And it's just like empty highways. It's always so weird not to see cars and there's just a couple stores open all over the place and you just... Can I make a suggestion? Yeah. You have a very popular genre

of social media video called your walk-and-talks. When are we... I was about to see three-am bit. Three-am, donut, donut, Donut Run? Bill walking down Wilshire? Oh, no, no, no. Not Wilshire.

Fuck Wilshire. Gardena. Southgate. Hall of. I want to see you out there with the people going to walk and talk. But you see a movie like this

that gives you the card of there's a bank robber every 48 minutes. And then the next scene, it's the middle of the night with an empty, long, four-lane street and there's a donut shop. and you're like, this isn't going to go well.

And it's like, is that Bill Simmons walking by the deal? I think he's talking about Drake Bay. So we get the classic, the guy who's reaching for the coffee, who they have to shoot. Yep. We're out of time. We got to engage. They know exactly how long. Out of fucking time.

We're going to engage. Not that guy. Rage 100. Suppressive fire. Which guy would you be in the crew, Van? I mean would you be the guy monitoring when the like we have 90 seconds 60 seconds would you be the lead guy now that's the best job backup guy right the guy in the chair is the best job but I'm probably Bosco you know I'll probably mess the whole thing up he was reaching for the coffee he was he was reaching for it pop pop pop that's probably me yeah we don't know who could do with this laything guy maybe we have to kill him but that's probably me but I will say something about that scene is whenever a movie opens with a heist you're always trying to figure out what that's that robbery means, like what it actually says about the movie and about the crew and about their ethos. And of all the heist that you've seen to open something, this one says the most about the crew itself to me.

Yeah. Because they end up... But they've had military training. They've had military training. Contact left, contact, right? You have all of that stuff. Two, they rob, they basically steal the truck and not the contents of the truck. So you know there's something more to it.

And then three, the sentence where cop killers now tells you that there's something more to them. So you probably learned the most about this group because of that. And this was like a level up for them. Right. Nice sort of swerve, though, because we don't know what's in the truck. He opens the door. I mean, we know after we watch the movie. That's the first hint that this is going to be a very twisty movie.

Yeah. He's looking in the truck like that. Yeah, it's interesting because there's shades of the opening in heat, but it's also later parts of different heist movies. movies too. It's tapping it to a bunch. So next one, Big Nick shows up at the crime scene. And Gerard Butler's just like,

guys, in case you're wondering, I'm going for it. I'm going for it for the first minute you see me. Is there a half a box of donuts on the floor with like splattered blood on the box? I'll have one. I'm hungry. Looks great. Is there an FBI agent I can call Lobbin Bob? They give him the, hey, rough night.

He's like, yes, next subject. And you just know he hasn't slept. There's no way he has been asleep that night. He eats the donut fan. By the way, as far as, because, you know, there's always like a grizzled cop, rock bottom thing. Yeah. It's either a cop takes out, you know, a cup, a mug,

pour some whiskey and in some pephthal Bismal. And you think, damn, that motherfucker nasty. Right? But as far as rock bottom cop stuff goes, eating a donut from a crime scene after someone has said that one doesn't have any blood on it

broke new ground and you are a nasty motherfucker you need God your defense is well the box was closed that's it that's your only defense the dude says he's like

we got donuts down there he's like here's a couple of them down there with no blood on That was when I like, oh yeah, Big Nick got some problems. I also love when, you know, when these guys come in and they instantly know everything that can happen where he's saying like, well, they knew the route. There's no get away of bird support. He's just like spelling it out. It's like, this guy has slept probably one hour in the last three days and it's just ate a donut off the floor.

But somehow he's like just reaching left and right grabbing everything. It's like, yeah, cabs at home. But to be honest with you, the script is answering. questions because if you're from L.A., when you see that first scene, you're thinking, where is the helicopter? Like, why is there no chopper in the air? There should have been a chopper in the air, and they answer it right away. Then he gives us the, we're dealing with a different animal, boys. Yeah. I guess we are. I wrote down, hungover, Nick goes right from a donut to a cigarette while making fun of a cop and a suit for being a vegan.

just elite stuff it's great it's some of Butler's finest work all right next scene Donnie tells the story of how he met Merriman and the crew

really fun driving scene good flashback stuff what I like about this movie is you always know where you are in the movie even if we're going backwards you always have a sense of what's happening so then they have the

merriman setting up the bank of banks versus Big Nick breaking down Mary Merriman's crew, where they do a little back and back and forth. Which I think works really well. And Merriman somehow has an incredible amount of information about the bank of banks. Well, we find out why later. Later on we know.

How does he know there were 53 attempts? Oh, well, that might be on Wikipedia. I have no idea. But like, it means that. Is that on Wikipedia now? I think Donnie has, Donnie has actually the fount of information. Like, he's the one who's like, here are all the bar napkins. Here's all the information.

So is that bank robbery? Bank robbery reference.com. Like you just looked this up. I don't know. 53, whatever. But we, then we find out Laveau and Merriman played football at Long Beach Polly.

There's $30 million. Do you buy this thing that there's $30 million that could just disappear because they have to shred it? So nobody's looking for it. I bought it personally. I mean, I bought it too. There's always something like that

in every movie. Like we're going to steal plates to make more money. These plates are the only four plates in the whole world. And we're the only ones that can get them. I just Okay, cool.

Well, go, okay, cool. Well, go. I will say this. It's an incredibly high degree of difficulty. Like, these guys are so heavy hitters. Like, they could just straight up rob a bank. You know, like, they're like, we need to rob this specific cash before it goes into a shredder. Well, then they can, I guess, spend it for the rest of their lives and it's untraceable.

Yeah. I guess it's worth it. But I don't know. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Heat has, they're stealing what's his face is bonds and selling it back to him. Yes. What was that guy's name?

Van Zant Van Zan. Van Zan, yeah. Fast 5 had their breaking into the bank in Brazil that nobody's ever broken into it. I think Fast 5's a secret haiss movie. The fast people doing too much.

They're breaking into all different types of shit. They're breaking into igloos, going to honesty. It's like whatever is the hardest shit to do, they're trying to do it. I'm over it. I want them to do some regular shit. I want on the ride a 7-Eleven in the next fast movie.

Some regular shit. Going back. Back to the basics. Go back to basics. Fast 11, back to the basics. Fast 11. Back to basics. Taking down a donut shop.

Don Torretto on a schwin. Yeah. Robbing a regular 7-Eleven. Because he's going too far now. It's a private school charity banquet. He's just taking it down. Next scene, 50 cents pep talk for his daughter's prom date. One of the best scenes of American history.

They let 50 cents. Finally, they put a chef's outfit on him, let him cook for three, four minutes. Yeah. So this is what's up. For the past 16 years, My daughter's safety and protection has been my responsibility and my responsibility on me

and for the first time in her life I see I got to hand you that responsibility don't fuck up or your mom will weep and she has to wheel your ass around every day the rest of your life now I worked on this because I want to say this to you

as nice as possible you understand? Yeah yes sir I'm sorry what I'm going to say me what I'm going to say the ma'iayay Okay, okay.

Yeah, it's all right. That's all right. Listen, listen. All he's trying to say is, it's wonderful to meet you, and he wants you to have a beautiful evening. I see you at 11.30. Yeah, yeah.

11.30, yeah. 11.30. Good choice. I did the same thing to my daughter on his prom date. I had all the guys from the ringer in the garage. Just trying to, Sean Fantasy, trying to intimidate him. I thought you had really did that. Yeah.

It would just be funny in a phone call he would make to his voice. Like, this dude act like he was about to push up on me. He had a bunch of nerds talking about their letterbox accounts. I don't know if you know me. I got a lot of followers on the letterbox.

I saw the brutalist. I'll go on blue sky and I'll ruin you. 70 millimeter. Next scene, my favorite scene the movie, the Benny Hanna scene. What you're doing here, huh? Work around here? Enjoying my dinner, man.

Really? Yeah. Food here sucks. Yeah, we come here for the ass. How many times have you watched this year? Do you go on YouTube and just watch, just type in Denip Thieves, Benihana like once a month? Last night, my wife and I were chatting about where we could get like a last dinner

before she takes off for the holidays. And I did Google directions for Benihana in Torrance. It was not a convenient drive. But I think about this a lot. And I don't know why we haven't done a group dinner at Benihana yet. Maybe we should. Maybe we should. But we need to do it when there's somebody there we can, like, intimidate.

Is this officially Benihana? Did they, did they-I-Hanna get? I don't think they ever saved Benihana in there, though. And are there Benihana rip-off restaurants, or is it like... Oh, yeah. Like other type of habachi joints and stuff like that, for sure. Yeah, the food hair sucks. We come here for the ass.

He starts talking shit. Like, what the fuck? Yeah. Some guy over there. I'm making an onion volcano. Yeah. The staff's like, we're right here, guys. Starts talking all kinds of high school football shit.

Yes. Number 55, right? That's how I remember. We wore the same number, 55, right? I went to South Torrance. Yeah, we played you guys a couple of times. Yeah, you had all those fat-ass Samoans. Yeah, they were big, but mad.

Lazy motherfuckers are probably all that spam. Yeah, we fucking crushed you guys. crushed you guys when I was there crushed you guys when you were there still crushing you guys got family here bro don't really appreciate you popping off alright no way man

you got all aggro was that being rude hey was that being rude huh is that an intermediate fight fan I mean yeah our rivals were capital and you don't just bring up different shit that happened but what I want to know is what position these guys played

I want to know if they was on the field together because they take this shit real seriously. They see the dude and the dude is the sheriff and he goes, yeah, he played for South Torrance. It's like, you write this like, fuck him. I'm like, God damn, now taking it that fucking serious after years and years and years and years and years?

So what do you think? I was going to do this later, but what were the, what do you think, Ray Merrimands, middle linebacker tight end? Yeah, free safety linebacker. I think he was definitely he's too tall. He had to be defensive end, middle linebacker. You don't think he had any possibility that he was the quarterback? I got to say, like, so,

six five quarterback six five quarterback he's calling the shots you kind of the guy nobody's fucking following ray in a huddle he's just like just do what i tell you to do yeah heads and limbs you know like that's not inspiring what about big nick what position did big nick play oh he was linebacker was he yeah linebacker he was i thought he played linebacker and probably third down running back yeah can i just say i did more research on long beach polly versus south torrents than any other thing ever podcasted about. Yeah.

And it rivals only trying to figure out what Lakers game they're talking about and die hard when Theo comes into the lobby of the Nakatomi Plaza. But it's really weird that Nick is popping so much shit about South Torrance. And Long Beach Polly, I think definitively has a better program. Dominant. Yeah. And Deshawn Jackson was in Long Beach Pauley. And Nick's is like, we've whipped your ass.

I'm like, when? Like, when did that happen? Well, they had, since we did the first pot. Antonio Pierce became the Raiders coach. He was the head coach for Long Beach Polly for like three, four years. So, yeah, it was a big ass program. Crushed you guys when I was there. Crushed you guys when you were there.

Just like, just bizarre. Anyway, it's like, hey, bro, we're in a Benihana. Relax. That leads to Ray Merriman, standing up. I got family here, bro. Don't appreciate you popping off. It feels like we're going to have a Benihana fight. Right there, yeah.

And then Butler's part. comes in. Have a good night everybody. It's an unbelievable scene, but it leads to, because I think this is part of the same scene,

them getting mad at Donnie and taking him to the murder tent. Yeah. Is that what we call it? It's like the blue tent and football, but it's the murder tent. The body disposal area. Yeah,

they've got the Samoan dude with the big bucket ready to go. I'm trying to think of the, oh shit, like if you're walking into a room like that, like Joe Pessie's just getting whacked and good fellows because he didn't know one second where he knows.

There's the South African dudes in lethal weapon, too, have the plastic on the floor. Plastic on the floor is bad. When you see the giant garbage can and the guy wearing equipment because he's pouring acid in. That's rough. My favorite oh shit moment and it kills me every time is speed. Jeff Daniels. Oh. When he walks in the house.

He's about to get blown the fuck up. Murder 10. great. The shooting range, gun range, whatever we want to call it. Nice little battle. And Big Nick's a little impressed by the shooting. Yeah, he's cycling that weapon. Yeah, he's kind of like likes it.

There's an admiration. There's like a feeling that these guys are going to get in a shoot out like from the second they even acknowledge one other. They check each other like four or five times. He looks. He shakes his head. He looks. He shakes his head. And then Merriman just starts going crazy.

and Big Nick has a love and he also realizes at that point how dangerous his adversary is. We had the fake robbery scene which is a nice little swerve the more you see this movie where you know where it's gone but that does have though.

We're here for the bank's money not yours or whatever which is a staple that's the Pico savings alone. My favorite savings alone on Pico is that one? And then Pico with me oh yeah leading to

Donnie going in and having to steal the money, which is one of the most tense scenes when he's trapped in the little cash thing, whatever it's called, gets out. They shut the cameras off. It's like this whole five minutes.

The guys have to sit there and pretend they're just waiting for the stuff to come on. Really, really good tense scene. He delivers, what, at least three or four day old Chinese food. Yeah. And one lady is fucking it up. Yeah.

And getting it. the other lady's face, like, you two finish? I'm like, yo, man, that beef and broccoli been up there since like the third. Yeah. Beef and broccoli can smell pretty off like two hours in the fridge. Yeah. Three days in an air duct. Yeah.

Then we have the shootout and the ending is the last two rewatchable scenes. I mean, the last 25 minutes of this movie is pretty... Bill, I'll go you a step further. From the second that Big Nick leaves the playground crying. Yeah. And everybody starts putting vests on is from out... It's an hour and six minutes of perfect cinema. Wow.

Because it's just, because it's basically, it's the savings and low robbery, the actual heist of the Fed and the shootout in the corridor, and it takes a very long time and it is incredible. And then it's the CODA. Action reveal, action reveal, action reveal, action reveal. So what do you go from most rewatchable, Benny Hanna? Benny Hanna is my heart, my head says the final shootout on the corridor. It's just an amazing piece of filmmaker.

I got a scene that you didn't mention. The scene where he finally signs the divorce papers and he crashes, is their like little date. This is really important. I had this in What's Age the Best, though. I had it in What's Age the Best. Any scene where you separate the sharks from the guppies, if you heard a new date, you got to go home, turn on the water, get in the shower, and just cry.

That you didn't do a bitched out like that. Like, he walks in, he's eating off the man. He's eating lamb chops. He's drinking his drinks. He's talking like that. It's also perfect because both those. guys are wearing like I golfed earlier and the one dude is just like

ah Nick I was going to call you I was going to see if you wanted to get dinner and it's like bullshit and Nick just sits down in there I own this I own everything and I'm like he says call the fucking cops call cops I am the cops yeah this is helpless I feel so bad for the dude at the same time I was like fuck him I think if he wants to pursue a relationship with the lady at some point

he's got to like stand up and make it seem like she's on hinge It's over. Yeah, like there's no way you can recover from that. She was talking to her girls, look, I thought he was so great. He had all of his stuff together. He didn't even stand up. And then fucking Nick walked in and just made him look like a goddamn gimp.

It's over. Yeah, it's done. What's the most 2018 thing about this movie? I would say they're the smoking in the bars in L.A., which I think now they would just come in and taser you. I think in 20, I assure you in 2018, they were not. I mean, I... I thought this is the last

vestiges of it. But to me, it really is like the showtime bump that this, like when it goes on the cable. Secondary life thing. Yeah, the secondary life where if this had just been

like carry on Netflix, it just comes on. I don't know if it hits the same way. I think just the fact that you could jump into the different parts of it, I thought really helped it grow. I thought the most 2018 thing

was that there were strippers but no BBLs. If you go into that strip club now, it's going to be some jiggle in that bitch. That's probably right. Did he still yours, CR?

You don't have to come up with another one. We just keep going. What stage is the best? So the Donnie twist, once you've seen this movie a couple of times, knowing what he's up to

the whole time, makes this a really fun. And the crucial part is there's whenever it happens like midway through the movie when Merriman knows, after Benny Hana, and they're like,

okay, Donnie's compromised. Part of you is the first time through like, okay, you guys are the hitters, like cut him loose. Like, what do you need the driver for? You can get another driver. But when you go back knowing the entire plan was Donnie's, that's why Merriman was compromising and being like,

all right, I guess I'm going to keep this guy around because he is the key to the castle. If you first watch the movie, you think he's, like, that's a real thing he's dead, right? Because why would they fuck around like that? But then you get to the end, yeah. Well, tied into that, the art of bartending, his age is the best.

I love this quote. Lots of reps. I'm in complete control of my environment. People don't even know. So he says that and it's a good foreshadowing for what he's up to. But also like, shout out to the bartenders, man. Yeah. Always never miss a trick.

I always know what's going on in the bar and the people around. You're always listening to conversations. Were you in gossip as a bartender? I heard everything. Yeah. Yeah. I heard everything. Filed it all away.

Okay. What's age of best? Suit stores? Guys hanging out in suit stores? Want to do that on Saturday, cigar? I just want to get myself a big dust. Want to go try and some other jackets? Yeah.

Want to come? You're invited. Unspoken stares. Yeah. Yeah, testosterone staring. A lot of testosterone staring. Maybe that's the most 2018 thing. Because in 24, they would probably be looking at their phones, but here they're still

trying to each other. I like, there's some good quotes, like, come on, give me a hug, we'll save a fortune in therapy. There's just like some good one-liners in here. all the UFC fighters, which now that I know UFC a lot more than I did in 2018, like there's some real dudes in this.

Max Holloway? Yeah, Max Holloway. This thing's at the end, right? Spings in this. You want to talk about Butler's leather jackets, Chris? I mean, they're just a perfect accruciam for this character. They're leathery the way the character is leathery, you know? Would you, if there was the set of them,

the game, the movie worn, Den of Thieves won, leather jackets. Don't get ahead of yourself on memorabilia, but yeah. Dan, I love any movie where there's a big board with photos of the crew with titles. Underboss, boss, boom, and you think, and then,

because it all comes back to it at the end, the fact that he had it wrong the whole way. And then he looks, I got to say something else, man. We're real progressive on this. I just got to take it here. Brothers is masterminds, man. Shout out.

Yeah, give it up. Y'all know. The rest of y'all are in classic. Brothers as masterminds. That's how they, that's how they fucked with you, you know? You know what I mean? That's how they fucked with you. Because at the end, you're thinking,

oh, is it ice cube, son? And brothers as masterminds, that really meant something to me. Shooting range showdowns? Yeah. I just like them. It's a great place for a thing, because you don't know if they're just going to start shooting each other. She'd be the final job interview to get hired at the ringers.

You've got to go shoot with... Yeah, let's go shoot together. The Big Board with Photos of the Crew, remember Sopranos had a whole... Yeah, that was... Two-episode arc where they, like, ended in a really big episode. I never forget that scene because the instrumental was paparazzi by exhibit. Yeah.

And they're going through and they move and stuff around, and it's like, when they look at Tony... Uncle Junior's down. And it's like, move Jr. down. Yeah, they put Tony up. Any other would stage the best here? Yeah, I have when cops print out a... bunch of shit that they could easily just look at

on a computer screen just to be able to hold it up and say, what happened to you? I also really love opening your movie with a huge crime that you have to top. He does this, Dark Night does this, Sicario and Drive

and the Matrix when you have like a set piece at the beginning and you're like, the bar is already up here and then you top it. It's incredible. The FBI slander is golden. It's like this movie takes it to the next level of them. And Die Hard is like, oh my God, it's the feds.

We're cooler than them. This guy is a vegan FBI cuck. Who plays badminton or tennis? Who plays tennis? Yeah, like, you know what I mean? Yeah, tennis took some shots in this movie. I mean, thank God pickleball wasn't around at this point. This would have been really bad.

Real man played football. FBI vegan cucks play tennis. Yeah. Any other would stage the best? I think that the opening text is so needlessly hard. It's so cool. It's up there with not to jump on Apex Mountain. It's the opening text about bank robberies

versus the in Mexico, Sicario means hitman. Those are the two greatest title cards I've ever seen. Yeah, that one was really super fucking hard, like the Sicario joint. I like that Star Wars scroll, though. Yeah. You like that shit?

It's too long. It's too long. It's too much reading. Too long. You're in the theater. You're like, half the sleep the time it's over. You're like, shut the fuck up. You know what?

Somebody who's got skills should do is redo the Star Wars scroll, but with the text from Den of Thieves. Scrolling up across the galaxy is like the bank robbery capital world. Every nine minutes somebody gets me. It does seem like more movies should just do it. It always works. I'm always down for it. The Fortune Three Clap Award for Most Giffable Moment.

Probably like literally any moment from Benihana, I think can be cut into a two-second. What would you have, though? I have Pablo getting up from his rice. Don't appreciate you popping off, bro. We don't appreciate you popping off here, bro. We got family. Great Shock Order Award, most cinematic shot. I like that final traffic shootout.

Yeah. Really cool overhead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that looks great. This is so much fun when we get to give out a category that's from the actual movie. the Den of Thieves Benny Hanna Award for scene stealing location. So is Benny Hanna?

No. So we can't do yourself. So, I mean, obviously then. Listen, if Bill Russell had won the finals MVP after it was named after him, he gets the Bill Russell finals MVP. That's how this works. Well, that would be really impressive.

That would have been in the 882. Kid Cuddy pursued a happiness award. Wait, can I throw out some runners up for Denif, for Benifton. I would say Ziggy's offbrow and the men's wear store. Mm. And the donuts shop. The donut shop is one too, for sure.

Kid Cuddy Pursuit a Happiness to where Best Nino drop. Not a lot of music in this. Well, the music is incredible. They're not a lot of songs. No, but a lot of like with lyrics, but what it's like by Everlast. Oh, yeah. Nice little, oh, bra. Squeeze that one in there.

A little late 90s, baby. They call her a killer and they call her a sinner. Boy, he was dropping some knowledge, man. The Big Kahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink, unless you guys can top drinking milk right from the cart at 6 in the morning. The bloody donut. Bladie donuts and Deb's new man's house dinner. Oh, eating the food.

Yeah. What's that? The skirt steak. Oh, yeah, the skirt steak. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's a lot. A lot of food. That's a very good food or drink movie.

Okay, the Butch's girlfriend Award for Weeklink of the film. I have a thought, but I don't know. You want me to go first? Yeah, for sure. So there's 50 cars between. the robbers trying to get away at the end and the cops. And I just, I'm not sure the cops would just decide to turn a traffic, like, stand still into an actual shootout.

Well, I have this in nitpicks. Because I just imagine sitting in the car, you're halfway through, you're like, you're listening to the coward. Yeah. I'm listening to the watch. On the third second about Oregon. Yeah, he's got some good point. At one point, they actually going down to the.

And he's going to get down, get down. Get behind the engine block. Y'all about to light the fucking hot. Right. Yeah. You see what this guy got? That's from Call of Duty. My engine block, that's going to help me.

Maybe wait to take him down. It's a class action suit like a week later. Were you in the traffic shootout? Yeah. What do you have for week league? Anything? No, I don't have a weak link. I have a Vincent Chase, which is offset.

Okay. What stage is the worst? Smoking inside of bar we mentioned. Big Nick. going to see his daughter at school? I don't know. Yeah. I might have just had him outside the fence crying.

But I like the shock value of the ending as a woods age the worst because the second, third, fourth time you see it, it's not a shock anymore. So it's not the movie's spot, but there is something in my head called the Ray Merriman cut, where you just end it when he's like when Ray and Laveau have died.

You know, like... Oh, that's it. And it's basically like this ends like heat basically where these guys have had this confrontation. And he's like, I didn't bring my cuffs today. You know, it's like there is a way to end it that way. But the Donny stuff then unlocks everything that happens afterwards, you know? So I think they're eating the donuts off the ground is age the worst. Yeah. Especially now because like we got Ozzypic.

We don't even want them donuts no more. Right. Oh, yeah. He's just taking a gluteite. Yeah. The biggest one for me, and this isn't the movie's fault because they had a certain budget. but they film a lot of it in Atlanta. And I think if they knew it was going to be

as big of a movie as it became, I just think we're getting more actual L.A. in this movie than Atlanta pretended to be L.A. Because we noticed, but the most, I would say almost everybody who sees this movie would not notice. I was like, damn, L.A. And then, like, there's one shot outside of Nick's girl, ex-wife's house or wife's house

where, like, there's no foliage. And you're like, oh, like, this is fall. Is that, and C.R. can attest to this, I just realized it today. Like, I just realized it today. That's a testament to it being cool. I actually just came in and said, yo, is this a more L.A. movie than he,

because they continuously drop different L.A. stuff all throughout. It's part of the DNA in the movie. But, yeah, like once it's pointing out, you notice. We have a category called the Mark Bufelo, Vincent Hanna, Saul Rubenek, Linda Partridge, Overacting Award, which is, doesn't even necessarily mean overacting.

It's really for somebody who's dialing it up. Gerard Butler not only wins this, it's one of the reasons the movie is as much fun as it is, because he's going for it the entire fucking time. If you get to have a scene where you're wasted and a scene when you're brutally hungover, like you're going to win the movie. Yeah, it's the triple crime.

And a scene where you cry after you got the whole gamut of emotions. Was there a better title for this movie, Van? I don't think so. I don't think so either. No, like robbery capital of the world. It doesn't, I don't know. Dead of thieves is sick. It's going to be interesting, though, when it has sequels,

because eventually, like, Fast and Furious became Fast Five, Fast Five Six, and then we short-handed. I don't know if we're going to be short-handing, Dan or Thieves? Thieves eight. Thieves eight? I think it's going to be Thieves, right? The, uh, can you dig it award for most memorable quote? People that have things to hide never have much to say.

Good high school yearbook quote. I have the exchange where Ray's like I ain't cuffing up. and Nick's like, that's okay, I didn't bring my cuffs anyway. Yeah. Okay, the CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. How to speak a word. If you... What do you got, CR?

If you know you're getting Den of Thieves too, do you keep Ray alive? Do you keep Ray a lot? Like, is Merriman so cool in this movie and such a viable character? I know it ends the movie with such a profound, like, period at the end of the sentence. But Pablo is so good in this that would you be like Nick goes to get Ray out of jail to help him catch Donnie

is the second part. So I maybe probably okay but I do think that there's obviously some utility in killing him because I think the statement that the movie makes

the movie to me the underlying theme of the movie is Predator versus Pray. Right. And the entire movie you think that he is a predator, but he's actually just prey. The two apex predators that were left at the end of the movie had different skill sets.

Sure. One of them was a big, bruising, physical guy, and the other one was your Lex Luther. Sure. And so, like, that, that, and I don't know why you're giving away ideas, but that sequel that you had in mind actually would be dope,

but him going out like actual prey actually, like, works in the movie, well too. What do you think? Ray's twin brother, Rick Merriman. Ray was QB. Rick was the receiver. Rick's leading a good Laura Malay. He lives in Austin. He never got into the family business.

Yeah, I like that idea. Sean Merriman is his actual. Sean Merriman. He played football. Yeah. You know, he was playing for the charges at this point. They have, their dad could be played, I don't know, about Dizel. bring it like, you know, they have brothers or something.

Now we cook it. All right. I have, so this movie, you know, the movie reviewers when they were doing the, how it's like heat, there's some stuff that's the same. Like they have, there's Banckeyes over the top cop in a bad relationship, two sides casing each other out, the bad guys knowing they're being followed by the good guys, trying to get info on them, big shootouts at the beginning of the end, hero cop confronting his wife's new guy

downtown LA the scene with the messed up hero cop trying to connect with the younger girl and then the black cop sidekick so there's a lot of like stuff in there I'm fine with all of it guess what we love heat about as much as they why can't more movies emulate heat

yeah those things like why is this a bad thing exist until like oh my god he's emulating Michael Jordan yeah I mean it happens it happened in North Hollywood, the actual fucking thing happened. I mean, these are things that, you know, get reflected in movies because shootouts happen, things like that happen.

So casting what ifs we couldn't find anyway. Not really. But the director is here. Where is he? Chris is here. So maybe you can tell us later, yeah. Was there a casting what if? Was there anybody that was supposed to be in this movie and it didn't happen?

Where is he? Yeah, that's what the internet. See, this movie has been out. What happens with the rewatchables is the movie's out 30. years and then it's like Ryan Reynolds was going to do Denna Thieves and then he backed out and you just never know what's true

or not true so this movie hasn't been long enough oh this is good we get to give out the Van Lathen Award did this movie need more black people Van I have an idea could have been different dinner thieves race war did you actually have this written down or is this

yeah all black cast dinner thieves race war is what we do Okay. Which is this like the fourth one or the fifth one? You laugh about it. Like, so for some reason, we got all black cops, all white heist people.

Okay? They played high school football. The black guys used to fuck them up. They're mad. They start robbing banks. Yeah. And now we got to give one more victory over them. So more black people.

all black cast but then of thieves race war it has if it happened it would have to be written exactly like that and in that voice where like the white robbers would be like I'm so mad we used to get our asses whipped by those black guys in football let's rob thanks we're getting back at Dorsey high we're getting back at Crenshaw you know what I mean yeah we're getting back at Fairfax we are Notre Dame

We are Harvard Wesley. So Hoosiers crossed with heat. Hoosiers cross with heat. Okay. That's four. The fourth one. Yeah. Perfect. There is. That's that guy award. I mean, that guy from this movie in Shotcaller, who we know is Evan Jones, but I think Chris and I are one of the only two people that know. Yeah. To me, he's got a win. But would you put a Zarenda else in there? Don Oliveri.

because she was and she's been on a bunch That's Big Nick's wife? Meadow Williams is Ray's girlfriend but you didn't know her name. There's one guy, a Russian guy that plays one of the truck drivers. And I see him in stuff

all the time. That's a good that guy, yeah, I've seen him in a bunch of different things. So Dion Waiter's a word for best he check in the movie. This is somebody that's in for a couple scenes and then that's it. I have the two ladies order in the Chinese food. Do you like that?

Yeah, they're only in like two scenes. They're just bringing the heat. She's pissed off. She's like, go stop that guy. I knew it was coming. What? No, I like him. Who else did you have?

Everyone else is in it too much. Everybody is. It's a small cast. It's not a lot going on. So, no, I think, I mean, you could almost, the FBI guy is really turning it over. Yeah. Yeah.

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from Landman as Big Nick's ex-Wife? Just going for it. I don't think she would have crazy for crazy. Just gracefully as Deb did, but yeah. Yeah, she probably would have stabbed them. I was thinking because we were talking earlier,

we did a quick video where we were talking about what's next for Timothy Shalame. And while I obviously approve of going forward with the Den of Thieves into the future, what if we did young Nick? Oh, early Nick O'Obrane. Early days on the LAPD going into LASD, like getting acquainted with the L.A. underworld. A prequel. Played in football, yeah.

I like it. I said initially, I was trying to, when we did the first pod, I was talking about how we could have gotten. like a funny character in this because this is a pretty weighty movie. I was talking about it. I laugh a lot though. If Dave Chappelle was Butler's sidekick.

Dave Chappelle. Chill. Hold on. Bear with me. Terrible idea. Hold on. Hold on. But with like a bunch of gun training? No.

That's the thing. He's swimming against, you didn't know he had it in him. But he's got like the three moments where he really makes fun of Big Nick and it's funny. But I think I was wrong with that. I actually, like, I wouldn't change.

I wouldn't change the cast. This is where I landed. But I was trying to think, how do we get a funny person in this? Oh, my God. I think Bosco could have been funnier. Like, Bosco could have been, like, that's like the flea from red hot chili peppers role.

You know what I mean? Who'd you put in? Like, one person who's, like, three times just busted Nick's balls. I mean, so it's interesting. The Dave Chappelle thing, You know, Dave Chappelle is kind of swollen. Now we're back. I mean, no, he is kind of swollen.

I'm talking 2018 stars born Dave Chappelle. You want like Shane Gillis to play Murph, right? Like, you want, like... Yeah, just like... It would almost have to be one of the cops, though. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Oh, yeah, okay.

Three jokes about Big Nick. I can't believe you ate that donut. That was disgusting. Right. Joke. Yeah, I get it. Yeah. Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth,

or someone else for the director's commentary. What do you have, Sierra? What if Doris Burriss Burr? was calling the prom date intervention. We see you, Mr. Laveau. For the past 16 years, you've been responsible for your daughter's safety. Now she's going out in the world.

Prom night with a gang-affiliated teenager named Rinaldo. A huge moment in any father's life, but you've got half a dozen South Pacific Islander lineman and a cop killer named Ray Merriman by your side. It's not a prom night we will soon forget. Unfortunately now when I watch ESP and NBA, I just think of CR during Dors.

She also never speaks in that much of a monologue. It's just like, I don't know how it's gotten out of control like that. That scene when Donnie's in the bankroom and they shut the cameras off and it's super tense there. Tony Romo easily, I think, could have come. They turned the cameras off, Jim. He's only got three minutes.

I was thinking about that yesterday as he was having an orgasm about Josh Allen. Half-assar research. So Christian, the director, that's here, he started writing this movie in 2003. So this is a 15-year Odyssey, inspiring story, Van. You've worked on some movie projects in your life. 15 years, decade and a half. It's a lot. Yeah, I mean, you have to commit.

Maybe in 2050 we'll make dent of these race wars. You never know. Yeah, it could happen. Just keep plugging away. I'm ready. This movie was released in some countries with the title Criminal Squad. Ziggy's Bar is in Atlanta. It's called Johnny's Hideaway.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Is Ziggy's Hofbrow based on Sam's Hofbrow here? Isn't that off Olympic somewhere? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

Did you ask where Sam's Hofbrow is? It's off Olympic. I can show you. Okay. I've been to bars too, man. I've been to Sam's? I've not been to Sam's? Oh, yeah.

You want to go now? We can go. Don't fall in love. It's going down in that motherfucker. So there's a military consultant who did separate boot camps for both sides to train them. I always wonder about this. Yeah. Particularly with the Taylor Sheridan stuff.

Yeah. You almost wonder if Taylor Sheridan was like in the search. like how the vernacular comes out. But in this one, there's a lot of tactical stuff and I always wonder. In the closing credits, the $100R bill has the serial number, DOT 0-000-200-2018 for Den of Thieves.

You got to really catch that. It takes some times. All right, Apex Mountain. Gerard Butler. I think you could make the argument that this is the second phase of his career. The Fallen Movies? I think 300.

300 is the first peak. Where are more conversations now? 300 or Den of Thieves? Well, Den of Thieves in our bubble. Longer tail. I think Den of Thieves now. 300 probably played more at sporting events. Yeah, 300.

It's probably 300. But he's more this guy now. Yeah. So it's an interesting one. I think it's become this. Pablo Schreiber. It's this or the wire. Yeah, this or the wire.

Yeah. I think it's this. Suit stores? Suit stores in a movie? Like in films or in general? All suit stores ever. This is a very specific kind of suit store. You can get a suit and a leather duster and cowboys.

Yeah. The three-for-three suit store, for sure. Three-for-three suits store, great. The Federal Reserve Bank in Los Angeles. Didn't even know it was a thing, so yeah. Yeah, the Fed. Never been to take it down. Also, it could be apex mountain of things being described like Fort Knox.

Long Beach Polly versus South Torrance. I'm going to say this was the fucking apex. It's certainly the apex for South Torrance because otherwise it's Chad Morton. Shooting Rangers in a movie. I still got a Beverly Hills Cop 2. Beverly Hills Cop 2. Really important. Bigger for the plot.

Benny Hana. It's actually Benny Hanna, which is unclear still. Christian, was it a Benny Hanna? That counts. we're counting. This is invaluable, by the way. This is great. We could have just been doing this for two hours.

Yeah. Accidental text to a stripper that go to your wife in a movie. In a movie? Yes. In life, not even close. In life, that would be Tiger Woods. What's the text?

It's like you're such a bad bitch. Is he here? Thank you. No, the text was, nah, I can't fuck over him like that, man. Heat homage, second generation heat movies. It's basically this verse... The town.

Versus triple frontier. Triple Frontier is a war movie though, right? Yeah, but it's still a heist. I mean, it's a heist, but the town is much more on the nose as far as like that type of thing that you're talking about. Yeah. Oh, widows, that's a good one. That's a really good one.

Sexism stopped us for bringing it up. Tacking up for a street gunfight. After a heist. Yeah, this is, this is about as good as I've ever seen putting on bulletproof vests. Yeah. O'Shea Jackson Jr. Mm. You got, so you got this.

You got straight out of Compton. Try out of Compton. And you also have. I think he's Donnie now. I think he's, I think it's, I think it's actually going to be the sequel. Oh, the sequel is going to be. Good job. I think that's going to be Zaypix, man.

I DM'd them and let him know what we were doing this. It was like, yeah, man. Hell yeah. Is that how he sounded? He's a nice guy. He's a nice guy's a good guy. We're like, hey man, I got this script idea called Race War. Race War.

Think about it. It's about these white football players. Bad things happening at a donut store in a movie. I'm still going boogie nights. Oh, boogie knives for sure. Yeah. Even though that did lead to Buck being able to open his own stereo. The question is, is it the same donut shop?

I guess not because that's in the valley. And this is drinking milk right from. the carton, probably Anchorman. Anchorman is up there. Yeah. It was a terrible choice. And then Angel City Donuts. Yes.

I think this was Apex Mountain for wherever that was. All right. Next category is Cruiser, Hanks. I got Hanks's Big Nick. Really? Make the case. Let's hear it. I feel like Hanks

Post-Saving Private Ryan could do it. I think he's got it. I think he spent some time with Seismore. He's got He knows about late nights. And coming out of saving Private Ryan,

we could have seen it. Are you trying to tell me Tom Cruise could have been anywhere in this film? I want everybody to close your eyes and think about Tom Hanks walking into that fucking dinner and stealing the meat off of that. Yeah.

Tom Hanks saying, the food sucks, we come here for the ass. But Tom Cruise saying it would be just as crazy. We come here for the ass. I actually thought Cruz, because it would have been the Cruz that I like where he just tries to become this alternate crazy person. Like collateral?

As big Nick. Cruz as big Nick. Cruz is five, fuck it. Well, he'd be medium Nick. Okay. Yeah, I guess Cruz maybe. Can you imagine Cruz

it's a shorter movie with Cruz? Well, I think we have to get rid of Pablo if Cruz is in it. It's kind of look like a make a wish outing. It's like, it's like, it's like, it was nasty, bro. I think if Cruz is in, Pablo is probably not in the movie. We're probably recasting. We got to get a shorter way. Yeah, it's a shorter cast at that point.

It's like more of like a slot receiver guy. Yeah. So you think Hanks after trying to be like America's, America's uncle. You give me a binary choice of Cruiser Hanks. I'll tell you it's Hanks. You're the tiebreaker. So it would have to be Hanks. Okay.

It would have to be Hanks. I think you're right. I just want. wanted to see Cruz. Cruz can play trying to play big Nick. Cruz has played more roles like this before.

Yeah, he's like he's in collateral. Like he's done shit like this. Yeah. Racehorse, rock band, wrestler, fantasy team name. I'll give you Angel City Donuts or Ziggy's Hofbrow. I like,

I like calling a horse Long Beach Polly. Oh, nice. Long Beach Polly is good. All right, picking Nets. Scottish Gerard Butler as a South Torrance football star. Go.

What? You can't tell me he don't have that whole Bill Romanowski thing. No, he does. He's Scottish. Yeah. But he hides it pretty well. But I just have the background of knowing. So Hawthorne to Wilmington 14-mile ride.

Just going to flag that. Just having lived in L.A. for the last 22 years. Like, 14 miles is a long way. This is the collateral rule of L.A. traffic. Yeah, there's some math stuff. There's more later. Should Donnie have immediately asked for an attorney when he woke up in a hotel room, with P. L.L. of himself?

Well, I think... Like, I would have. Did you get the impression that L.A.S. He would be like, oh, did you want representation? He literally tells him, I'm in the gang. Yeah. I'm a cop. Before he does that, maybe I'd like to talk to an attorney.

Bro, I watch interrogation videos. They don't be asking for attorneys, man. So, Vans got to explain this to the audience. What? The interrogation, do you guys know what interrogation videos are? Y'all watch the interrogation videos. Where are you watching this? I'm watching them on YouTube.

Red Tree crimes, explore with us, all kinds of stuff. Cops sit down and they go, hey, listen, we know you're not a bad person. We know you killed your entire family. We just want to know why. And the entire time, the person, you're like, ask for the lawyer, ask for the lawyer, ask for the lawyer, ask for the lawyer. By the end of it, they've eaten pop-by's and doing 150 years. I would ask for an attorney if I was done. We covered, why does Merriman know this much about the Bank of Banks?

I don't know how he gets that information in 2018. What do you have for? I have some more. It takes me like 10 minutes and I have to like go outside and wait for Uber Eats to drop off my lunch at Spotify. But the Chinese food delivery guy can get inside of the Fed and like wander around the cafeteria. With two bags? Yeah. And it just seems like they could add a tighter Chinese food delivery protocol at the Fed.

Yeah, maybe just drop it off at the front desk. Yeah. Just be like, hey, your food's here. You can come down and get it. So this is maybe the biggest niche. I've ever picked in any movie ever. Okay, he's sitting there. And Big Nick looks at him.

He looks at Donnie. And he says, you got a small pecker for a black guy. And Donnie says nothing. Donnie doesn't say, you ain't seen it when, because I'm a grower, you can go ask these chicks from where I'm from. And they'll straight tell you, that's bullshit. It's women in the room,

it's other dudes in the room, and he just accepts that. No. I'm gonna tell, nah, you don't even know what average is. You, you, that's not for real.

You're talking to somebody else. Obviously, I peeved on ourselves, so my shit was like, it's a side effect of being tased. Yeah. Like, I was tased, I'm nervous. You can't make that about that.

No, let's talk about the heist. Nah, before we talk about the heist, let's deal with this. issue of you saying this. Good nitpick, man. Yeah. So Donnie bags up all the $100 bills that are being shredded, and he's got, I don't know how many bags.

Based on the weight of $100 bills, $1 million would weigh 22 pounds. Okay. So $30 million and $100 bills weighs $661.5. pounds according to the internet. Yeah. Do you think he dumped 661.1.5 pounds over that thing in two minutes? I mean, you'd probably be like, this is, this is for all the marbles.

And those bags were tiny. Yeah. It's a nitpick. I mean, I've seen this movie 17 times. We should have brought 600 pounds out here and seen how fast. I should have been a good, yeah, could taste her now. 600 pounds of what? So, oh, yeah, Bill could swing that.

So Donnie, because he has access to the people that go in and out of the bank, then he writes down the entire ventilation system on a bunch of napkins. I just want to talk it out. So this one I'm... So every once in a while, the movie, you have to suspend. The movie doesn't work unless he's like a super genius. Right? So the movie, that has to.

Well, I think you're supposed to imagine that, like, the little bits you're seeing, multiply it by 1,000. He's been at the bar for however long. Hearing these people come in, they leave their ID cards there, they're talking about the new woman at the cafeteria, whatever, and that he's been accumulating this knowledge over the course of this period.

And then at some point he had so much information, he goes, this could be actionable in some kind of way. How many days was the Chinese food order up above the bathroom? And there's probably an answer to that. I don't know. It's like, it's at least five. So if you have Chinese food, in the fridge for five days.

It's risky. Yeah. I'm trying to think what could have been eaten by either of those ladies over the court that could eat. Does the Chinese food exist?

Would it be cold? Yeah, it was cold. But remember... So I'm saying initially cold, like a cold lo-main, something like that? Oh, you're talking about like what they would order?

The actual order. Oh, yeah. What was the order that they were like, that's cool. This tastes normal. Because if it's like just beef with broccoli, that thing's like moving about the thirsty.

But also it was like, it was so late, they could have been like, oh my God, it's just not hot anymore, hungry as fuck. One of those things smelled really bad, I'm guessing. So, Merriman sprinting. Yeah? Wasn't impressed. Guy was supposed to be like this kick-ass football player. I didn't like how he ran. I don't know whether, like, some back injuries.

Do you mean like in the Miles Turner way where you're like, I don't like how you run? I just didn't feel athletic enough to me. Combine, I'm crossing him off my list. He didn't go pro. Right. Yeah. He's a high school player. Just jumped out to me.

Look slow. What if he got his knee blown out in high school? You know what? We're making excuses for him. He looks slow. Well, I'm not making any excuses for him. I'm saying respect him, man. This man might have got some shrapnel in Baghdad or Fallujah or something like that.

Oh, right. You're Jesus. It's a thought of experiment. Turned into like, it's insulting in the military. Well, the body armor is probably heavy to. Yeah. I don't know. I just, I thought.

I wasn't impressed with Pablo. In terms of jogging with full caval. Yeah, didn't love it. CR, you did this when you initially wrote about this movie for The Ringer. You mapped out going from Montebello to the Federal Reserve, Los Angeles branch all the way down to Alameda Street. Yeah, Alameda Corridor. It's a long time.

Yeah. And it could explain why they were in traffic and ended up getting caught. They put so much time and energy and thought into how to break into this bank, they never factored in the traffic part. Well, they never factored the right lane being closed. And honestly, that's the most quintessentially LA thing that happens in this movie.

Yeah, that's just Thursday. It's like, I had fucking plenty of time. And now I'm 40 minutes late because they closed the right lane. Also, they thought they would be clean. They thought they would be undetected. They thought their plan was going to be sound. And so they didn't know that they were up against super cop linebacker, big Nick.

Big Nick caught him. Any other nitpicks? the only other one that I had was Merriman is super offended by like Big Nick's behavior but I would not describe Merriman as like really putting an emphasis on his family you know because he does

basically make his girlfriend sleep with Big Nick to throw like a put him on a wild goose chase so practice what you preach right? Yeah that's all I'm saying. Fair. Yeah. That's fair. That's fair. I can go along with that.

sequel prequel prestige TV all blackcaster untouchable sequel. Sequel. We were getting a sequel. But I would take a prequel. I take a prequel and a sequel. Yeah. A prequel will be a great way to bring

Mammons character back. Yeah, but you have to shrink them a little bit, you know? Give them smaller. Next category is, is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Traos, Sam Jackson, no. Byron Mayo, Harley Mays, long legs, or Philip Baker Hall. Do we add Big Nick to this category going forward?

What movie's worse with Big Neck? Right. Should we get Philip Baker Hall out and Big Nick in? I'm happy to do that. Okay. All right. What movie would Big Nick not make better? Like, rom-coms he'd make better, horror films, just be coming into a house where there was like an exorcism?

Yeah, like if Adam Driver was friends with Big Nick and marriage story. Right. Just got a dump her, brother. If Big Nick was friends with MLK and Selma. Hey, got to get across the fucking Edmund Pettus Bridge. Let me tell you something, brother. Yeah, I'm in. So we'll add Big Nick.

Okay. I was thinking about what would happen if Wayne Jenkins was Big Nick's divorce attorney. Oh. God damn. I was watching Kramer versus Kramer. Don't you know about having a burner phone for strippers? Oh, fucking time. Wayne.

He's back. Just one Oscar. Who gets it? Should we just say Christian because he's here? I would say, you know, It looks funny, like, not to dick rot, but, like, I would say script, though. I would say script. The Christian still wins.

Yeah, I'm saying script. Yeah, you wrote, I would say script. It's an inventive script. If I was going to go with anybody but Christian, I honestly would go Pablo. I had him as well. Probably in answerable questions. Best and worst job for the people driving the armored truck, worst job is sitting in the back.

Yes. inside because that guy always gets blown up if anything bad happens I would be like we're fucking drawing straws to see who's sitting in the back. I'm glad you brought this up because I wanted to know what's a medium bad day for an armored truck guy?

Like the donuts. Good day is nothing happened right? Bad day is Den of Thieves happen or heat happens or whatever. What's like that was just going over a lot of potholes. Yeah. Or the bank was slow getting us out of there or whatever. Like what did it mean?

In the moment time for the football game because there was a lane closed. Movies like this make me wonder like what kind of people are the armored car people. Yeah. Because, you know, if I'm driving the car and the guy goes, we got armor pierces clothes. And we about to fuck y'all up. If you don't give me the money, I'm like, yo. Take it. Hey, bro.

You can add a money. I'm going to go in that donut shop. You want to. You want something? When I come back. You want a glaze? I can throw them up. But the armor car.

And all of these movies. the armored car guys always like, I'm gonna die doing my love protecting money in a truck. And I'm not saying that's whack. I'm just saying, yo, who fuck are these guys? Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

What other answer both? I wanted to know if Ray Merriman was a tribute to Sean Merriman as a football player. And how would Van talk his way out of sending that text? What? How would you have talked your way out of sending that text?

Your big naked six of the morning. Oh, oh, oh, shit. Okay, well, look. Let me see that? Oh, that wasn't me. So, look, let me tell what happened. So my homeboy, his phone, we was all there. I was there.

I'm not a lot. I spent a lot of money, okay? You probably shouldn't look at the bank statements for a little while, baby. I spent a lot of money. But my phone died. And I'm leaving, and I'm, my man, or excuse me, his phone died. I apologize. Baracho's phone.

Yeah. His phone died, and he wanted to hook something up. You know, he had just got divorced or whatever. He's trying to see what's up. So I gave him my phone and he was texting. I know you're not stupid enough to think that I would text you. Yeah. How could you think that?

How could you think that I would say that? As a matter of fact, stop accusing me. Yeah. Because I've been at work and I asked for one night a month to go out with my boys. I'm trying to do this nigger of solid. And all of a sudden, you getting at me. I don't want to get this no more. Give me the keys.

Give me the keys. Gas lit. And it would be really funny if you went home And you were just like, oh, Chris Ryan borrowed my phone That was so important. Yeah, with CR. With Donnie meets Merriman, that scene when he goes over and they're all like grimly eating

barbecue outside. It looks like the Boogie Nights house. Did you notice that? Oh, yeah. Outside when they're, I mean, yeah. Yeah. It feels more like South Bay adjacent to me than the valley.

But yeah. Because there's the pool. When they show the back, it's on the left. but I researched this and all of this movie was filmed in Atlanta basically so it was not the Bogie Night's House

at this point. You know who we haven't talked about in the movie almost at all? Who? 50. Of all the roles that 50 has been in,

50 is, he fits like a glove into this movie. Yeah. You could actually make the argument that he should have lived because 50 then and Dead of Thieves too

is like a huge thing, right? After power and everything. Like he, like normally when you see 50 on screen, he's such a gigantic personality and a gigantic figure that you go, that's 50 cents.

But in this role, in this role, he's muted. He plays off of Pablo's character really well. He's really, really good in this. I didn't put him in Apex Mountain because it's, we know it is. The Get Richard Dightrying album. Yeah, that year, when his album broke was his Apex Mountain. It's biggest rapper in the world. But this was, I think, the best movie that he's been in.

This is probably his movie Apex. Yeah. This is, I would definitely say this is his movie Apex. Best double feature choice. What would you go with CR? I mean, Den of Thieves 2, Pantera. There you go.

Yeah. Deliver for client. The Indian Reds-Watney Award. What happened the next day? Denna Thieves 2. Pantera. Yeah. What piece of memorabilia

would you want from this movie that's not the Chinese food that's stuck in the bathroom? Oh, man. I get enamored with all the hardware that's always in these movies, but I'm not going to pick that. Oh, see, I had that.

I had Pablo's vest in this movie would be fucking cool. I always love the movies. So many bullet spots. Yeah. It's like 2,000 bullets. Yeah, but it'd probably be one of the donuts with a little bit of blood on it.

Stunt donut? What are you, FCR? Either the donuts or Donnie's Trans Am or whatever he was driving when he's like, all right, drive. The coach Finstock will wear Best Life Lesson. Never underestimate a bartender.

Yeah. Never. That's definitely what I left the film thinking about. Or if you're going to pull off a heist, maybe try to figure out a better traffic situation. Yeah, avoid the alleyway to court. Ten weeks casing a bank. Maybe try to figure out how you're getting an Alameda. I have one question I want to ask before, just to compare some stuff.

Just real quick. Let's say you have one job you have to pull. And the job is robbing a large bank in Miami. Right. Whose crew are you going to want to rob his mate? Oh, from movie crews? Movie crews. Movie crews. Danny Ocean's crew?

No, too soft. Neil's crew. Neil's crew. Or Merriman's crew? Neil's crew. You think Neil's crew? Yeah. I feel like...

Do I get Dennis Haysberg to Neil's crew? I think that online gambling was probably not kind to Chris Scherlis. And by the time you get to our contemporary moment, he is really disheartedly. He is really distracted. Right. That's he too. Yeah. It's like him just being crippled by like, I got to get my bets in.

She's doing a Monday, April. So I would go Merriman's crew. There you go. Interesting. Merriman's crew has more size. Yeah. Because Ray's probably, what, five inches taller than anyone? Five inches on size more.

Yeah, yeah. I think if the bank, I think because the bank is in Miami, I'm going with Maryman's crew. I mean, obviously the correct answer is the town because you get Jim. Who's fucking take off? all these guys. Five, eight pit bull. Those guys get killed on the second robbery, though.

Yeah, that's true. Who won the movie? Christian. Oh, yeah, for sure. It's like, she shepherded it. No, he shepherded it from like the early 2000s up to the screen. Yeah, 15 years of working on a movie. Then all of a sudden it leads to this, all these years later.

Can I give you the rewatchfuls? Yeah. I meant that in these, too, not the rewatchfuls. Can I give it in theaters, January 10th? a cop-out, is it possible that in this instance the movie won the movie, and let me tell you why I say that, it's because

very rarely is a film thought about so highly by everyone that's seen it, and for some reason it was unexpected to people, like how much they enjoyed it. Everybody that talks about, it talks about, like, you know, people that said it wasn't great, don't know what they're

talking about, and the movie itself was able to like maintain that kinetic energy and everybody's interested enough to like have a sequel that people are really going out to see. So in this case, maybe the movie won the movie. That's interesting

because it so rarely happens that they make a movie that has expectations for just, I hope this movie does okay in the theaters. I'm going to try this in three weeks where I do the movie won the movie and he's going to be like, you can't do that. I would say either Christian or Pablo Schreiber

because this is one of those movies. that makes you wonder like, man, should there have been more stuff for him? Like, was there, you know, could there have been an action franchise for him or I don't know. I mean, he's had a really good career done a bunch of things, but could there have been like a signature hook franchise action thing. Yeah, I think Halo was. That could have been Jack Reaching. The Halo thing was a gigantic thing. Well, that's in the nerd verse though, right?

Well, it was on Paramount Plus. That's like your people, watch that. The nerds. My, Readerverse. The ringer verse. Yeah. Yeah. Clean it up.

I said the nerds. Yeah. Yeah. Clean it up, Marky, Mark. I said the nerds. How dare you? But that's in the ringerverse universe.

The ringerverse, yeah. But to your point, that was his big deal. I don't think it does, honestly. It does not need a better sex scene in this movie. Yeah. Did you really want to see Big Nick going at it with the stripper? Ray's girl? No.

I know. I think this movie has the right amount of sex. Yeah. Yeah. All right, we're going to wrap it up. Thank you to Lionsgate. And check out Denna Thieves, too, Pantera. All right, that's it for the Denna Thieves re-watchables. Don't forget, we're going to be doing a mailbag at some point this month or next month.

So if you want to send a question that you want us to answer, a category idea, whatever, just send it to the rewatchables 33 at gmail.com. We will see you. Not sure when next. It could be later this week. It could be next week. Stay tuned.