The Rewatchables - “The Re-Departed” With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: October 5, 2021

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey have got this rat—this gnawing, teething rat—and need to rewatch the 2006 Best Picture–winning film ‘The Departed,’ starring Leonardo Dicaprio, Matt Damon, Jack Nicholson, and Mark Wahlberg, and directed by Martin Scorsese. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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everything from the last four years, over 200 podcasts. You might be confused why we're doing the parted because we already did it. We did it four years ago. And here's my response. So tell me, what's a lace-cart motherfucker like you're doing in the Stadies? The Departed. The Redaparted is next. I'm going to have my associate search you.

He's dead already? Time Magazine says, The Departite stirs the soul of those who still treasure the power of movies. I'm going nuts, man. I can't be someone else up here. It's a roller coaster ride. You're to lay low. Lay in low is not what I do. The Departed is a triumph. You wanted to chop me up and feed me the port?

The best movie of 2006. I say, kill everybody. The Departed, a Martin Scorsese picture rated R. All right, Chris Ryan is here. We did this four years ago. Yeah. We didn't do it with Sean Fantasy. It was one of the first rewatchables we ever did.

We actually didn't really have any of the categories at all. We had some. We had a couple. We had a couple. At one point, you make a Dionne Waiters analogy about somebody in this movie that I won't spoil. And that became the Dion Waders category. We probably talk 50 minutes. I don't feel like we really did it justice.

We didn't dive in. Yeah, we did some Oscar stuff. We didn't have Sean in it. Sean texted us yesterday. This is the Irish Godfather. It is. It's the 15-year anniversary coming up. We decided to redo our departed podcast and do it correctly.

Can I just say off the top that had I known Rissolo wasn't going to be here? I think I might have actually resigned from the ringer. Like the entire premise of this podcast was supposed to be Rissol. weighing in on this stuff. And as you know, the town podcast is when my spirit left my body. Rissolo during the town is one of the great, I think straight up American performances

that we'll ever see. It's like that and Bob Dylan going electric. It was his denier on Raging Bull. Yeah. You know, he thinks the town is better than imparted. He did not, he declined our invitation. So does Van Lathen, who was like, yeah, I like the town a lot more.

This is a take people have. I also like the town. more, but I love this movie. You're wrong. That's wrong. No, no. I'm just saying I personally like to tell more. They're all wrong. So it's wrong. Vans wrong. You're wrong. I think this is a more rewatchable movie.

I love this movie. I watch it every time or not. Sean, we'll start with you. Why is this the Irish godfather? Well, it's by default, really. It's not as good as the godfather, and I hope nobody misunderstands that. It's because there's not a lot of movies about Irish gangs. And there's not a lot of movies about Irish gang starring Irish people, frankly, including this one for the most part.

but it gets at a lot of the weirdness of growing up in an Irish family in an Irish community. A lot of the things that the Matt Damon character says, a lot of the things that you hear the gangsters talking about and the way that they're breaking each other's balls and it is a little bit different

from the classical Italian gangster films, different from the Scorsese movies that we've talked about on this show than the Coppola movies. And there's like a little bit more melancholy and a little bit more dark humor in it. I think in some of these movies, because I think there's a case that this movie is working best when it's a comedy, because it has so many off the rails comic moments.

So it's why it's a de facto Irish godfather. So it follows a blueprint that we both love, the three of us love. It just has stars. It's a movie with lots of stars. There's four really famous people in this movie, and Leo, Jack, Wahlberg, Damon. none of whom are like in the career years part of their career if anything we talked about this in the last pod like 97 in a lot of ways it was really momentous for all four of those guys it was nicholson's last Oscar it was leo in the titanic it was damon breaking through with goodwill hunting and then walberg and boogie nights and at this point they're all established a listers nicholson is like royalty and there was a real buzz with this movie chris where it was like oh the trailer Wait, what? Oh, they remade infernal affairs.

Wait, all of these people in it? Scorsese. And it matched the hype for the most part, I felt like. Yeah, it was like a commercial job that was actually pleasing to the people. You know what I mean? It was like the one for them that was us. It was just like Scorsese doing like a popcorn gangster action movie that was also an homage to like 70s crime movies that he loved, but also 30s crime movies that he loved. It was supposed to be.

It's like a B movie that has. also the soul of Irish literature in it, I think. I think Monaghan's script, this is what Sean's kind of getting at. How is that alcoholic depression, gallows humor, a lot of self-consciousness

about Catholicism and Irishness, which scores easy. I think the Catholicism, he definitely understands in a great way. But yeah, this is just so satisfying on so many levels, which is why I think the fact

that it's so weird and so formally either flawed or inventing depending on which way you look at it is so worth unpacking. I actually would make the argument that of all the movies that we've done the actual re-watching of the departed,

like when you just have it on on a loop like I'm sure we have for this week and you never really know what part of the movie you're in and you don't really understand like, oh wait, does this happen before or after the microprocessor scene? Or does he already slept with Vera Formig or no. It actually turns into just like this blur

in the background, which is sort of why we started the podcast is like movies that as soon as you see it you're like I'm in I don't care what happened before I know that this scene is coming up I think I just want to experience this for the 20 minutes and it's like this movie is like completely without gravity it just barrels towards its conclusion well I think the so we the first non-sports movie we did was few good men which is just incredibly rewatchable and hit all the checkpoints one hit I think this was second for all the reasons you just described it's weird this movie gets more rewatchable as it goes long. I think the middle third and the last third, to me, are just better than the first third,

even though I like the whole movie. But it builds, builds. And then it's like, every time you think it's going to crest to an ending, then something else happens. And I think that's why I like rewatching it so much. Can I share a theory of movies? Yeah. Of all movies or just this movie? Of all movies. I think this movie fits into the theory. That there are two kinds of movies. There are hang glider movies where you're soaring and you can look left and you can look right

and you can look straight ahead and see something new every time. And then there's zipline movies where you're flying fast and you're headed towards the conclusion. This movie is more of a zipline movie for me. There's a shitload of stuff happening in it and you can look all over

but it cuts so quickly. It's moving so fast to Chris's point so kind of confusing the storyline and the way it's told. It's definitely the messiest Martin Scorsese movie movie by a wide margin and I don't mean that as an insult. But it is hurtling

towards its conclusion at all times. You're never bored. You're never slowed down by it. There's nothing pensive about this movie. It is moving at all times. So once you get on the zip line, you can't get off. If you get off, you'll fall and you'll kill yourself.

Well, it also has two of the most successful actors of the last 30 years. And then Walberg, who, at least by box office, is in the conversation for top six or seven. Well, and he also acts like he's the biggest story. All of them are swinging in. in this. And they're all really good, and they're all tapping into pieces that I like about all of them, right? Walberg's just like, I'm going full Southie in this. Almost to a detriment in a couple

scenes. Damon's doing that. I'm going to be a little offbeat. I'm not going to play typical leading man. And then Leo is the best leading man we've had, what, since who? I think this is his best part. Paul Newman? I mean, he's up, Denzel. I mean, Denzel probably is like, it goes Denzel and Leo, I think, in terms of the trajectory. For the under, like, 45 generation, he would be the first pick if you do the redraft. So, I think that's why I like rewatching it, because I love

the stars. I love the specific sequences, but you made this point in the last podcast, Chris, in a weird way, it's like a Scorsese's greatest hits, which I like. He's just like, cool. Come on. Come on in. He's the Rolling Stones in, like, 1979 with

a full catalog of songs that he knows he's good at. Yeah. times. It almost feels like not even a greatest hits, but like it's almost like when you get older and you start to forget stuff. The movie actually feels like he forgot that he already played

Gemi Shelter earlier in the movie. You know, the music stops all the time in this movie and that it comes back. And he's doing this thing where you're talking to an older person and they forget where they were in the middle of their sentence. Like the movie kind of feels like that sometimes. But not in a bad way. Like you're charmed the whole time and there's intention behind some of those decisions. But I think the movie got dragged a little bit

when it was released for that exact reason. Because people were like, we've seen Scorsese do this. This is too easy for him. This material is beneath him. It's a remake, which he had never done. Right. There's a, Sean and I did a big picture pod once called Garbage Crime, which was all about, like, you know, the Den of Thieves-level crime movie.

There is a version of it departed that is garbage crime. That is just like you could have had, like, two guys way lower on the totem pole than DiCaprio and Damon playing these parts. a director who is probably workman-like, but maybe not as stylish as Scorsese. And we probably would make it a rewatchable anyway. We would probably still be like,

damn, that was a really fucking good crime movie. Like John Hamm is Billy Costigan? Yeah, 2006 John Hamm. Just to finish Sean's point there about like the hang glider versus the zipline thing, which is a great theory. That's a good one. I was jealous of it. I'm going to step on our guy Raj here

because he has a line in his review about the Departed that I think is perfect, like sums this up. He says, I am fond of saying that a movie is not about what it's about. It's about how it's about. And that's just basically, like, I know that the departed is about identity, and I know that the departed is about, like, fathers and sons. But the departed is really about how the departed is told and how it feels. And to your point, songs that start, stop, another song starts playing.

Sweet Dreams by Patsy Klein's always playing when Jack Nicholson walks on. Three different stone song in one scene, but sometimes an Allman Brothers song just plays for an entire scene. It's all over the place. The cutting is all over place. They mismatch shots a lot. You know, we can get into a lot of that. But there's also some thought. Like, he has the exes, which I never realized when we did the first pod.

That's pretty cool. Second thing of everybody who's about to die, basically, there's exes either on the rug or the wall. DiCaprio was constantly talking about his own death. Like, Billy is always talking about dying, like, the whole time. You know, it's like you can see the way that this movie is very intricately constructed and very chaotically constructed. It's funny, if this was a true Scorsese's greatest hits, there would have been at least one pre-scene, I think. I mean, there is a priest scene in the diner. There's a ton.

Well, no, but LRB is like, you all a cop, my son. I guess that, no, I was thinking like Billy going, I guess you could say the therapist becomes the priest. Kind of, I think that's right. And I think that's why it's a 21st century movie, right? It's like a post-sopranos gangster movie where there's this idea that the costing and character is literally making fun of the cliche of the cop

who fires his gun and has to go to therapy. We're so around the curve on what therapy means to, like, the American consciousness, the American gangster, all this other stuff. I agree with Chris, though. Like, you could read deeply into this movie, and maybe we will a little bit in our conversation and say, oh, these heavy themes and these big ideas. But those conversations are actually more appropriate for something like Goodfellas or Raging Bull or these, you know, really kind of internal masochistic Martin Scorsese movies. This movie's all external. It's everything on the outside. I was thinking about this because, like, most Scorsese movies start out, and they're, like, right out of the blocks.

You're like, oh, my God, this thing is incredible. And, like, you think about color of money and raging bull and all, like, the incredible opening sequences and opening sort of, like, movements of a Scorsese movie. And then they usually, like, hit a dark middle and then collapse at the end. Like, the characters have this kind of revelation or collapse. This movie doesn't really do that because even when there's, like, like, when, say, Billy's talking with Madeline. like Billy will be talking with Madeline and then there's like five scenes in that conversation that he keeps cutting into

but they don't actually correspond timewise to like how long the conversation with Madeline would be it would be like it's like cross-cutting but the cross-cutting is like a flashback a flash forward Matt Damon rents an apartment Matt Damon goes and sees Jack Nicholson then there's another scene where it's like Billy going to his mother's funeral

that thing is like that too yeah that's right not the Madeline thing it was the Dingham thing where it's like and you get Fitsy and Della Hunter and you're like wait what what's how? happening. And then you realize that scene goes on for 15 minutes. You're like, oh, wow. Yeah, like this is not conventional story. Well, how about the credits coming in 18 minutes in his movie?

Another one, the drop kick movies. So we should talk about Scorsese a little because he's at a weird point of his career here. It seems like the Oscar ship has sailed. He does basically, gangs in New York, O2, does documentary, documentary, The Aviator, does an American Master's about Bob Dylan, and then takes on The Departed. And if you read anything written about it, even how he reacts at the Oscars when he wins his speech, it was basically like, oh, I took this remake. I thought it would be fun to make a movie with Leo and Brad Pitt.

Turns out to be Leo and Matt Damon. And then they're like, can we get Nicholson? Sure. It's like, cool, all right. I don't think he had the ambition that this was going to be the one he won the Oscar for, but as it turns out, horrible Oscar year. I mean, like, one of the worst Oscar years ever, where it wins for Best Picture. The other ones were Babbel letters for Iwo Jima, Little Miss Sunshine, and the Queen. Those were the five Oscar nominees.

It's like an all-time terrible year, so he wins that, he wins Best Director. But it's almost like Janus winning the finals last year when everybody got hurt, where we know. It's like, yeah, the Bucks won the title, but this happened, this happened, this happened. I think that's what happens here, but in the Oscars, nobody cares. It's like he won the Oscar, that's it. Make up Oscar. I think you nailed it that he took this on without the ambition that the previous two movies had. The previous two movies were so self-consciously, it is time for me to win my best director Oscar. Especially Gangs of New York.

Speaking to like the history of New York, the history of Catholicism, the history of gang culture, all of those things colliding in a Scorsese movie. That was a really troubled production, really complicated movie that he'd been wanting to make for a long time. Then The Aviator is this love letter to the history of Hollywood and this. kind of like obsessed, you know, disturbed guy with an incredible movie star performance at the center of it. That's usually the kind of movie that gets recognized by the Academy. Doesn't win for that.

What won that? Your million-dard baby? That's right. Yeah. And this is also right under the wire before they expand at the best picture, right? Like, what is that? 09 that they do that or 10? It's after 08, yes.

Right. Well, so I sent you guys the Oscars clip, so he wins. And by the time we got to the Oscars, people had a feeling he was going to win just because there's another candidate. And they stack the best director. They have Spielberg, Lucas, who's the third, I'm forgetting. And Coppola. And they're all there.

And it becomes the setup, kind of like what happened recently with Chadwick Boseman, where the Oscar telecast is built toward Boseman winning. And then he doesn't win. And it's like, oh, my God. Could you imagine if Stephen Frears won? That's the thing. Like, Cooley, what if Paul Greengrass for United 93? So it's set up with these three directors.

And it was kind of preordained. But at the same time, we didn't 100% know. and it's a really nice moment it's a fun speech he handles it you forget what a great public speaker he is and it was just really cool

to see him with those three guys I think it's one of the best Oscar moments at least of this century right yeah I mean it's it's also just like he's one of the reasons why we make this podcast or do any movie podcast here so it's like if he had won for Kunda

and I wouldn't have cared like I'm just happy yeah there's like genuine joy in the in the audience like people are like oh you know, fired up. Yeah, there was a moment a couple of years ago when Bong Joon won

and he, you know, like, thanked Scorsese and, like, everybody in the crowd just stood up and applauded Scorsese because there's so much reverence for him. But he mentions in the speech, you know, you know, the guy in my mechanic is like, when are you going to win one? They should give you one.

Like, it had become a cliche 15 years ago that he hadn't won one, which was so absurd of people because he'd made so many movies that so many people love and mean so much. I do think this is a very bad Oscar year and it's interesting

that the departed one best picture as well, but like, it very well could have been and probably should have been Borat, Children of Men, little children, Pan's Labyrinth, and the departed. And somehow, all those movies came out that year. All those movies are good and in different ways. And somehow

they landed on Babel letters from your regime, a little Miss Sunshine and the Queen. It's so strange. It's like is a snapshot of the weirdness of the Academy Awards and how sometimes they just completely get it wrong and they still rightly give Scorsese a best director Oscar. I'll be it 25 years too late.

It's funny. It gets the makeup Oscar rep. I think this is, if you ask, what are the great makeup Oscars? Scorsese winning for this would be up there. I don't know who else should have won unless you're going to make the little children argument. I think Quaron for Children of Men,

there's a really strong case. I think he, and he would go on eventually to win a Best Director Oscar and is identified as one of the great living filmmakers. But he wasn't even nominated here. So you would go, children of men or little children? for film. I mean, I like both of those movies

more than any of the other movies that are nominated along with The Departed. Yeah, children, I mean, neither of those got nominated for Best Director. United 93, I actually thought that was a really good movie. It is. And if we ever did a spinoff podcast

called like the most depressing rewatchables of all time, I think that would be the first one because every time that's on, I'm like, oh man, 40 minutes left, all right, I'm going to watch. Like, I don't know what's compelling about it and what it doesn't make me feel good to watch it. came out. I just had a conversation with some people who work in the movie industry like a couple

weeks ago. And they were asking me about the rewatchables. And we started getting into a conversation about the one-time onlys, the movies that you only need to see one time. Million-dollar baby. Yeah. Yes. United 93 was at the top of the list.

Incredible film, amazing achievement. I will never watch it again. Yeah. Well, I don't know what's wrong with me. It's okay that he won for this compared to cent of a woman being Pacino's first Oscar over Godfather, too. Like, we talked about this a lot when we did the Goodfell's Pod. Scorsese, you should have won for that.

It's outrageous that he didn't. And it kind of all evened out. It's still weird that scent of a woman was Pacino's Oscar to me. Like, compared to some of the stuff he did in the 70s, like really feels criminal in the way that the Goodfellas thing feels criminal to us now. But I'm not sure in the moment it was as criminal because I think that movie did take a while for people to kind of wrap their heads around. Dancers with Wolves was also a phenomenon. It was.

It was explainable in the moment. I feel like there was, Hollywood still used, was still making, like, movies with big commercial aspirations that were essentially, like, dramas.

Like, set of a woman is a school slash courtroom drama. Like, Dances with Wolves is an epic western. Godfather, too, is though, it's like, even in 1974,

I'm like, what were you guys doing? But the problem now is that, like, I think most of the big movies that are made are superhero movies. And then you've got, like, five or six studio movies

that could be considered Oscar movies. maybe not even that many. It's totally different now. It's Netflix and Apple now. But just to the Puccino point very quickly, like everything is circumstantial. Scorsese has for the most part played the game over the years.

Puccino never played the game. Pichino never went to the Oscars. He never went to the parties. He never kissed anybody's ring. And so it took a long... He had to become this kind of emeritus figure for them to decide to give it to him because he was so like in his own weird world.

He's talked about this in like the great Playboy interviews he gave in the 70s and 80s. He didn't know what the hell was going on. in Hollywood. He vanished from the movie business for a couple of years, yeah. It was like William Goldman skipping the Oscars to go to a next game. Finals game. Went the Oscar for his movie. This movie

won four Oscars. Best Picture Director, screenplay editing. Walberg nominated for Best Supporting Act. For like four days of work. There's a whole weird Oscars thing with DiCaprio, which I guess we can talk about now quickly, where the studio decided to get behind Blood Diamond.

And then Leo just didn't want to campaign at all because he didn't want to affect the other stuff, but it's, Leo's the best guy in this movie. It's insane that he's not nominated for best actor. It's even more insane that he is nominated for Blood Diamond. I completely agree with you. What the fuck. Where does this one sit for you in the all-time Leo rankings, this movie?

Top three. It's pretty high, right? Top, it's this, Django and Wolf for me. He's incredible in Titanic. I mean, he's incredible in Basketball Diaries. Craig, don't think less of me. I think he's incredible in Titanic. I think that's like such a star performance.

Like he fucking carries that movie He's great in Romeo and Juliet He's great in body of lies Like he's not ever bad I would go In no order Wolf Titanic What was the other one he said

I have Django fourth I think this has to be top three Because it's The Beach The Beach is solid I think he's so good in this movie He's the only one Like Damon

Damon can play that part in his sleep Walberg's just doing Walberg on southeast steroids. Alk Baldwin's there. He's doing an S&L character. Nicholson, I don't know what the fuck he's doing. Vera Farminga has an accent for the first half of the movie. And at some point somebody is like, hey, Vera, drop the accent. You think that they told Vera to drop the accent?

Or maybe she... I think collectively they came to a conclusion that they were going to drop their accents after like the 30th day of shooting. I love Vera Farminga so much. She's so good in this. Leo's doing amazing work. in this movie. And I feel like he's acting circles around basically everybody he's with, except Damon in that last scene. Him and Damon together in that one scene where they have, you know, on the roof, it's like really, really, really, really good stuff.

He said that he tried to play this character like somebody was having a 24-hour panic attack, and he did. He does. Like, he's, every time he's on screen, you're like, is this guy going to have a stroke? I've never, I've heard very few louder applausees in a movie. maybe the like welcome to earth Independence Day moment but like spontaneous applause when Leo hits Damon at the end on the roof and it's like shut the fuck up

and hits him in the face and people burst into applause on opening night unfortunately it didn't turn out so well but like he is he's just all nerve endings in the movie it's so exciting watching him in this movie and he's doing a lot it's a very showy role but what's this I forgot I had my Patriots my Patriots space mask

I'm taking it out protest of Jack Nicholson. No, yeah. We're going to talk about that later. So two things about that Leo performance. One, we didn't know he had it in him. Because you just got to go backwards and you look at like all the roles he played where even in basketball diaries, there was a little spastic.

It didn't seem like that kind of like alpha male agro kind of guy. I had never played a role like that. More like the romance side. Like you can see him in Romeo, Juliet, Titanic. And then it goes in the 2000s. Gangs in New York. I didn't feel like he totally worked that movie. I don't feel like that movie worked in general.

Aviator, now he's figured out, like, that kind of... You can do the Howard Hughes thing. I didn't think he could play this guy. And when I saw it in the thing, I'm like, oh, Leo's not going to... He's going to be a tough, like, southey guy? What? He's kind of a child prodigy, right? He is.

He is. I don't think that you would necessarily think, despite the fact that he's obviously gotten after it in his personal life. I mean, just based on, you know, Getty photos or whatever. Wait, what? I don't think that you would necessarily think that Leo could play a streetwise character like this. Without it feeling very performative, without feeling very like, I've learned this new thing that, you know, like, I don't know. Like, there's a, there's a Gilbert Grape cloud that hangs over his career where all of it is, it's kind of imitation kind of, you know, it's impressionism. Yeah.

But here is where he just totally breaks through for me because he taps into something in this character that's like, it's got that Pacino Dog Day energy. It's got that, like, I am living on the ragged edge with this guy. Like, it's real watching him. It's also a testament to the character. You know, he's a double kid. It's all about performance. So it's not that weird to imagine when you take a kid who's like, theoretically, upper middle class kid who, sure, he spent some time in Southie,

but put that kid in prison. Make that kid watch somebody get killed. Put that kid on Prozac. Watch what happens to him unravel. That is what would happen to a person. You would get that bent out of shape and twisted and knots. And how many cop movies do we see? or action movies or whatever

where the hero basically gets his ass kicked or is bullied for the entire movie. Like every single person is just fucking Kostick and over. Yeah. And he never really like... It's a metaphor for the Irish.

But it's not like he ever like pulls off some incredible act of police work. You know what I mean? Like he basically is undercover until Queen and dies. Yeah, he botches. Yeah, the porn theater scene. Yeah, the porn theater.

Yeah, you just... How hard is it to chase down Matt Damon from behind? What are you doing, buddy? See, you had one job. So, yeah, so the Leo, I didn't know he added in him, was the one thing from 06. The other was 15 years later, you can't overstate how shocking it is when he gets shot. Yeah.

And what it was like in the theater. And I talked about this last time, I'll just do it quickly. I saw this at the Chinese main theater in 06 back when it really, I had only been here four or five years at that point. I saw gangs in New York in the same theater and a couple other big ones. but this was the one where it's Friday night, got the tickets ahead of time. Did you wear your Red Sox hat that night? I probably did just to fuck off Jack Nicholson.

But yeah, there was real energy in the theater and people here they fucking love movies. And it's New York's like that and always like that. And it's just different. And there was so much energy and anticipation and people hanging on every line. And as you said, like clapping when he hits Damon and shit like that.

And when he got shot, it was like the audience got shot. on a scale a 1 to G-baby for most shocking deaths I've ever seen in a theater. This was like a nine and a half, G-baby being a 10, but he gets shot everybody, everybody goes back.

It's like, is the fucking movie? Leo? What happens? Yeah. Like, the star never gets killed in the movie, and that's the brilliant moment of this movie, and that's, I think one of the reasons is door. My wife watches this with me because I was watching for re-watchables.

And she usually doesn't watch the re-watchables with me, because I was like, I've seen this one. watched the whole thing. I'm like, you like this one, huh? And she's like, Matt Damon and Leo? Yeah, of course I'd like this one. And then when Leo got shot, she's like, oh, I forgot that was going to happen. And it's just, it's

in the moment was incredible, and it still is incredible 15 years later. It's like watching Shaw get eaten by the shark. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ah! Sorry, I'm sorry. Because we're all person. But Shaw

isn't Dreyfus or Schneider. Right, right. That's like if Dreyfus got eaten by the shark. It's like if Roy Shider got him. It's not the POV character the good guy, the only good guy in the whole fucking movie. How many times does that happen in a major movie and worked? It's such a hard thing to pull off.

Not very often. I mean in Infernal Affairs, the bad guy kind of wins, but then doesn't get killed at the end. But he gets like trapped in a life of now nobody will be able to come get me. I think Delma Schoonmaker wins best editing for this movie. A lot of

take issue with that because they're like this is actually an insanely edited movie. Chris pointed out that like some of the cuts don't match and there's all this messiness, but you get a moment like that in a movie to work where you design that in that way and then you shock audiences. That's in the cutting. That's in the editing. That's in the way the movie is arranged and managed and where your feelings are at that point in the movie. It's amazing. I mean, it's like it's magic. Like this, I had the same exact experience when I saw it as the one you described. People were, their minds were blown when he died. Yeah. We're going to take a break. There are a couple more things to discuss.

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Can you remember the theory and can you do it again? Can you recreate this great moment that we had on an early rewatching? See, I thought that was like one of my theories that you're like, huh? And then you're like, so, Oscars that year. I was just super jealous of it. I probably didn't want to sell it for you. I basically was just trying to talk about how, like, one person is living life completely vulnerable. She says to him, like, your vulnerability is freaking me out.

Like, Costigan doesn't know how to perform, you know, that he doesn't know how to be anything other than what he is possibly because, like, Sean was pointing out, like, he's lived this dual life already in his childhood. and Colin is a complete construction, possibly gay, possibly, you know, like, doesn't know what side is up or down. And his entire thing is about, like, I look at the Golden Dome and I want to go up. I want to be a congressman. I want to just keep striving, have ambition. And Kosigen's completely aware of, like, the sort of frailty of that idea.

He's just like, we have families are either rising or falling. And it's like, even when he says that somebody just, like, does a fart noise to him. like he's never in a world where like those ideas matter. He assumes he's getting fucked every single time. So there are basically two ways of interfacing with the world. You can either be this raw nerve who feels everything and hurts all the time, or you can be a sociopath who pretends for a living and is a, it is always performing and is always constructing your identity.

Or you can be Sean, you can be both. I honestly relate to both of them a lot. I got to be real about that. So yeah, it was this idea that basically they represent. I think especially a male psyche, but, you know, I think... I thought it was good. Thanks, though. That was one of your better ones.

It's a great take. Thanks. Remake of Inferno Affairs from 2002. Loosely based on the real life Boston Winter Hill Gang, and then Frank Costello being based on Whittie Bulger. Did you talk about Whitey a lot in the first pod? Not really. We didn't. It's...

Is that a good source spot for you? Were you in the Winter Hill Gang? You can tell us. Hollywood's... ability to get Whitey Bulger correct in a TV series or a movie is fucking disgraceful. This is the all-time layup. Let's turn this person into a movie character person that basically America has produced in the last 50 years. And Hollywood has just botched it. And it drives me crazy. There's no easier piece of content than Whitey Bulger, this fucking guy. And then he ends up

in Santa Monica. They find him in like, a two bedroom five blocks from the ocean where he'd been living with his girlfriend don't give away this idea for free bill after we do the ringer we do the bulger verse it's it's been tarnished people feel like they've seen wady bulger

and these different things and it's been fucked up every time not a fan of black mass no I'm not I'm not the Johnny Depp as Whitey Bulger like don't get me started 90 billion dollar budget most of it spent on actors made $291.5 million

and Sean you did this on the Goodfellas pod so we can just redo when we're talking about Apex Mount for Scorsese for whatever reason at this weird stage of his career the success of this movie did what?

I think it completely redefined him as a successful Hollywood filmmaker for almost all the way up until this moment he didn't make hits he made very few hits in his career up until then

and now after this movie it's understood that Martin Scorsese deserves $100 million for every production that he makes. This leads to HBO being like here's a blank check for vinyl. You fill it in with a pen and spend what you want. I lost a lot of money on vinyl.

Were you the underwriter for HBO? I had a lot of my retirement money tied up in vinyl. You get a lot of stock. A lot of vinyl stock. Roger Ebert, our guy, four stars. He said, although many of the plot devices are similar in Scorsese's film and the Hong Kong original, this is Scorsese's film all the way. because of his understanding of the central subject

of so much of his work. Gilt. Very Catholic movie. All right. Most rewatchable scene. Whew. I have a few choices for you. I went a little over instead of under.

Did you talk about most rewatchable? I did not re-listen to the episode. We did, but it was like, we were kind of like, Bill would be like, rewatchable scene, and then we would just kind of say a couple. Yeah. And then we were still figuring it out.

We're doing it correctly. We're doing it correctly this time. First we watchable scene. It was like Byrd and Davis, you know, on stage with each other. Not Larry Bird. You can't say Bird in front of Bill and make me think you're talking about a jazz musician for Christ. It was like the third Seinfeld plot when they'd figured out how to incorporate Elaine, but not really. First we watchable scene, Walberg fucking with Leo.

Dignam, yeah. He was a psychiatrist. Oh, if I was, I'd ask you why you were a stadium making $30 grand a year. And I think if I was Sigmund fucking Freud, I wouldn't get an answer. So tell me, what's a lace curtain motherfucker like you doing in the Stadies? Tell me what a Lace Curtin motherfucker is like you doing the stadiums. The whole thing that keep coming back, I'm just including all of the Baldwin and Walberg with Leo. All of that together is one long scene.

I could watch that on YouTube for like, what, three hours? Those two kind of staring at them, Walberg, with that. Who is this fucking guy? I look at his face and Leo just under attack, not even knowing why. All he's doing is like trying to get a job. You have different accents? You did, you little fucking snake. You were kind of a double kid, I bet, right?

Huh? One kid with your old man, one kid with your mother. You're up in middle class during the weeks. Then you're dropping your eyes and you're hanging in the big bad, Saudi projects with your daddy the fucking donkey on the weekends. I got that right. Yep. You have different accents?

You did, didn't you, you little fucking snake? different people. It's just so good. Warburg's really good. I know he dials it up a couple of times, but I really like Wahlberg. I wish he tapped into this acting more instead of doing fucking Netflix movies.

It's the second best use of him of all time because it is the other side of what it feels like he really is. It really feels like he is Dirk Diggler, which is to say he is like a little dim, handsome guy, prettiest man in the room. Everybody's looking at him and interested in him, right? He's really magnetic. And then the flip side of his,

he's like, he's a mean, motherfucker from Boston and kind of mean for no reason. You don't even totally know what he's mad at. He's so, so, so good in this that it makes you forget that his character makes no sense. Like, Dignam just is like, I'm abusing this guy who's like sacrificing risking his life for us. Yeah. And then at the end, I'm going to be like, just get fired without helping you. So I would say, though, that that is one of the perfect tricks of the movie is Dignam seeming like not at all like a real person. Because when he leaves the movie, you forget about him.

And when you forget about him, you get the payoff in the last shot of the movie. I think in a much lesser extent, James Badgedale's character is like that. Very similar. We're just like, why? This is this like third scene for this guy, huh? And then in the end, you're like, oh. Was this the start of your badge stock? Did you buy on this movie? Yeah.

When you said it was one of the two best movies that used Wildberg correctly, I thought you were going to say Invincible was the other one. Patriots Day for a second. I would never watch Invincible because it's about an eagle, and I do not support the Eagles. Fair. Just putting that out there. More rewatchable scenes. We didn't have this the last time as a rewatchable scene.

The cranberry juice scene. We didn't? I think we said I had it in what stage the best, and then I was like, I had that probably should have been there. There are guys you can hit. What am I doing? Craig, just play that clip. Play his whole monologue.

Do you know me? No. No. Well, I'm the guy that tells you there were guys you can hit, and there's guys you can't. And that's not quite a guy you can't hit. But it's almost a guy you can't hit. So I'm going to make a fucking roaring on this right now.

You don't fucking head him. You understand? Yeah, excellent. Fine. I fucking know you. I know your family. You make one more drug deal with that idiot fucking cop magnet of a cousin of yours. And I'll forget your grandmother was so nice to me. I'll cut your fucking nuts off.

You understand that? Yeah. Yeah, I do. Ray Winstone, just crushing it. Just in general, the whole Him Orderer, cranberry juice is hilarious. Them reacting to it. The callback, too, later when Nicholson

asked him the same thing is a great moment. But the guy who he's sitting next to, who he smashes the glass on, incredible that guy moment. I don't know who the hell that guy is, but it's a natural diuretic. Like, he's got a very specific accent. It's a very goodfellas-esque character.

And this movie doesn't have as much authentic Boston as the town does, which Affleck really tried to go authentic Boston. But that was a moment that's so Boston of me where if you're in a bar like that and you're like, what do you have? I'll have a cranberry juice. The reaction of the other guy

would be exactly what would happen. 99 out of 100 times. There would be some sarcastic, demeaning comment within five seconds. It was just the nature of the beast. This is a borderline rewatchable scene for me. But Damon's first date with Vera Farming is really good. It's really good.

really well written. It's really well acting. I'll fucking arrest you right now. I believe that they're going to shoot it. It's just really good stuff. Leo meets Costello in the bar. Yeah. Are you still a cop? Are you still a cop?

Can we talk for a second? I know that you have a lot of problems with the Nicholson performance. We're not doing this yet. I know. One of my favorite character introductions. So it starts on these two middle-aged ladies at the end of the bar and they're like,

and then he tells me to go join parents without partners. And he's like, that's weird, this weird random conversation about like a dating group. It goes down and there's Leo because they've looked over and it goes down, there's Leo. And then he sits down and he goes, do you know who I am?

Do you know who I am? Huh? My friend, Mr. Friend. He's like, is his name really Mr. French? She's like, no. It's such a perfect character introduction. You're just like, oh my God, Satan is here. Yeah, the ladies do a good job of they're engaged

and then they kind of do that thing you do if evil has walked into the bar. Yeah, he has the shot in the beer. Michael Myers has basically arrived. And then their whole interaction in the billiards room that they go into the back and when Nicholson's like, your father had a problem, he's like,

who said he had a problem? He's like, I fucking said he had a problem. Yeah, I think the Costigan pushing back against Nicholson, which feels like a super self-conscious I'm an undercover cop. I have to show this guy that I'm tough move, which in a way works in his favor, but also you can feel Costello being like, what the hell is wrong with this kid? Like, there's something seriously wrong with this kid that he's trying to challenge me.

I'm the biggest gangster in this city, and I have been for 20 years. How does he not know who I am and why is he challenging me? And it works well for the movie, too. It does. Some weird lines in this scene, let's not cry over spilled guineas. It's just I can't believe that got greenlit. I say this is a half Italian. I'm not talking about the racist part of it.

Just like, nobody would ever say that. Pretty racist opening 35 minutes of this movie. Corrigan gets them in there. The whole opening in the beginning is a bad. You have to take it, that whole thing. DiCaprio said this one-on-one scene was, quote, one of the most memorable moments of my life filming this with Jack. So is that scene, the scene that he's talking about,

is it the one-on-one with them at the table? Oh, and he's drawing? And he's like the rat stuff. Yeah, yeah. Is it that, is that because the... Oh, I thought it was this scene. This is a different scene. But Ray Winston is in that, the scene with the boot.

Oh, yeah, you're right. So maybe he meant the other one. My bad. Right, but then Ray Winston shows up at the end of the scene with the red. So it's also like, I don't know what he was referring to. And that scene feels like very improvised by like Nicholson. He's like dropping things and he's like doing the rat voices, noises and stuff. Yeah.

The surveillance scene with the Chinese. We did not have the last time. So I like it because of Walberg. Yes. This is unbelievable. Who put the fucking cameras in this place? Oh, who the fuck are you? I'm the guy who does his job.

You must be the other guy. One of the great movie lines ever. Did you put a camera in the back? Then Baldwin just punches the guy. But it's really goofy. I just, I enjoy it. I think it's funny. I mean, it's also like, there are a handful of moments of like social commentary,

for lack of a better phrase. And, you know, Baldwin's character being all fired about the Patriot Act. Like, that's a moment in time. That's a snapshot. These are where the really good rewatchable scenes happen, because I think the second off of the movie is better, but you have the driving range scene with Baldwin and Damon. Love it.

Going right into the porn theater, going right into Nicholson and the Rat. And it's all like next. And the rat scene is probably Nicholson's best scene, but we'll go first. The driving range with Baldwin, him talking about. When Damon's like, overtime.

Yeah. Oh, my cocks working overtime. But Baldwin, play the clip of Baldwin. His theory on marriage is fucking great. How's your wedding coming along? Great. Great. She's a doctor.

Oh, that's outstanding. Yeah. Marriage is an important part of getting ahead. Lots people know you're not a home home. Married guy seems more stable. People see the ring. They think at least somebody can stay in the son of a bitch. Ladies see the ring they know immediately.

You must have some cash and your cock must work. That's working. Overtime. I'm glad to hear that. Thank you. I love that he's just hitting golf balls. I don't even know where we are. His swing sucks.

Oh, his swing was so bad. Are there driving ranges in Boston? How do they think that CGI? It's terrible. No, they would have had to go to like... It's in New York, I think. They shot most of the video. They would have to go in the suburbs for that.

That scene is in Infernal Affairs, like almost shot for shot, but in infernal affairs, they're hitting the ball into the ocean off of a driving range. Like, it's not in a typical driving range, but it has no humor. Yeah. That whole scene works because it's so funny. Baldwin is so funny. The character's such a crack-up. And then the porn theater, it's just a really good scene.

It's really well-constructed the way everybody's sitting. And even though Nicholson brings the dildo out for reasons that remain unqueer, but in general, like, all of a sudden it's like, oh, this is on. Oh, they're going to, Damon and me are finally going to meet. He's like, are you cracking up, Colin? He's like, I own this place. Yeah. And then it leads to Nicholson and the, I got this rap, this annoying,

teething rat. What I'm making here is Bill I got this rat and it brings up questions. You know, see Bill, like you're the new guy, girlfriend. She's stay in the bar

that night I got your numbers. Really going for it, but it kind of works at them. Next one, 344 Washington. Sheen fought into his death. Incredible secret. Another one that in the theater for the first time was great where it's like Leo's late, all of a sudden this body's fine.

It's like, oh, they've killed Martin Shee. They do it, like, it's like a normal exit of a scene, like, leading down the stairs. And, like, you're kind of like, because Queenin and Costello have met a couple of times, you're just like, well, they're not, they must kind of have, like, this cold war going. Like, they're not going to kill one another.

Yeah, I mean, Kostigan only knows two people in the world at this point in his life. And you can't kill Martin Sheen there. It's so shocking. There's some good subtle stuff in there. Like, when the van drives off, it drives over Sheen's body. Yeah.

Which in the theater is really rough. Because, you know, obviously it's a dummy. It's a couple small things. Like the body falling in slow motion. And then when it hits, it hits on the crazy impacting, the blood splattering all over Leo. Like, this is just great movie making stuff. And it goes right to Walbert quitting.

Dignam. And the world needs plenty of botan. It's two weeks with pay. And then Boggs from Shawshank realized in the 344-314 mistake. Yeah, it was Boggs. I could be a friend. to you. Del Hunt.

That section's great. Damon calling Leo. Why are you calling a dead man's phone? I like that whole part. Costello's death scene. We could see Jack running, which is the funniest part of this movie. You think that's him running?

Oh, yeah. Yeah. A couple body double issues in this movie but I was wondering about that. No, that's definitely Jack, and he definitely probably could have had a heart attack from the two seconds he ran. I love seeing him run.

I like Mr. French killing himself just before the car blows up for no reason. Fuck it. Yeah. It's like, fuck it. That one.

And then finally, Leo versus Damon. We covered all this stuff with the, with the Damon death. What do you got for most rewatchable, Chris Ryan? I have a couple of editions.

Okay. I throw in there. The random scene of French and Frank talking about who's reliable, where they're just like, it was just like, I thought my wife was reliable. And Nicholson's like,

she wasn't. The cutaway to him murdering her, which is totally anachronistic. Yeah, that's weird. I think that. There's two two Madeline Billy scenes.

The first session that kind of goes on for a while but he's like basically like two pills why don't you give me a bottle of scotch

and a handgun and then they're comfortably numb scene where they have sex one of the very few and very good love scenes

in the Scorsesee movie it's not really something he does that often is like a sex it's a sex scene and it's really good Scorsese was filming it was just

all his guilt I can't watch this So what do you have for most rewatchable? You want to go first, John? It's really hard because I think the movie is at its most fun when it's kind of like

Mark Wahlberg or Alec Baldwin giving someone shit. You know, like that. In the spirit of the rewatchables, I think those are the most rewatchable scenes, particularly the first Walberg sequence with Leo and then Baldwin on the driving range.

In general, though, the end of the movie, the rooftop. Yeah. Confrontation. The triple cross, followed by the elevator. I think that's the best sequence in the movie. That's probably the best executed sequence. My favorite is the Frank meets Billy with the Stones Let It Loose playing.

It's my favorite stones. I probably have Sheen falling to his death and then Walberg quitting. Just that combo. I really probably enjoy the most. The world needs plenty of bartenders. Two weeks pay! I will say the triple shooting is a moment. among the best action things

Scorsese has shot. That five minutes is, from the moment he goes through the fire escape on the top of the roof and Leo's waiting for him, everything had that stage. This is really great filmmaking. And just shock after shock too. Like when Anthony Anderson gets shocked,

you're like, what the fuck? What is going on here? Like, you really can't, I couldn't figure it out. It's kind of surprising when he kills Barrigan, right? Because you're just like, because for a second, you're trying to process the entire movie over again, knowing that Berrigan is also a,

a Costello mole. And then you're just like, wait, he's dead too. Like, I still, it's like, Colin killing it makes, I guess, some sense. The only thing more fun than that scene would have been sitting next to Tarantino watching that scene for the first time as there's just multiple unexpected murders in a row.

He'd be like, oh! He loves watching the head get blown up. What's age the best? Leo versus Damon, we talked about this a little bit, but look, they're generational rivals. This is LeBron Durant, basically. These are, we'll talk later. I think Leo's LeBron.

And I think Damon is an incredible Durant. But we'll talk later about what would happen if they would have switched roles in this. But just seeing two. Walberg is James Hardin? I mean, think about it. Wahlberg is James Hardin. Interesting. A lot of stats.

Who's Kyrie? Guys got a lot of stats. How many chips does he have? Yeah, how many titles? Who's Kyrie. Isn't Boogie Knights a title, though? I feel like Boogie Nights is a title. Is it his title?

That'd be like if O KC won the title and he got to ride. He's more like in Anthony Davis. Interesting. Leo versus Damon. I'm really psyched that they caught. This movie catches two of those guys at their peaks. Yeah. In a lot of ways.

The heat thing too where, I mean, they've talked about how they did not see each other during the production of this movie for the most part. Like Leo shot a lot at night, Damon shot a lot during the day and that they basically have like what one physical scene together, right? I think actually underrated Damon performance. The Leo performance is high tension and should have been a best actor winning performance. Yeah, nobody would mention this in like a top five Damon performances, but he's excellent in it. He's so effortlessly the villain, unlikable, insecure. You're constantly trying to figure out like what's wrong with him and what are his weird psychological flaws. Isn't that the funniest thing about Matt Damon though?

Like a lot of his best roles, school ties. Ripley. Ripley. This movie. The informant is the same thing. Honestly, the first hour of Goodwill Hunting. He's a fucking asshole. He plays a good jerk.

He plays a good jerk. Yeah, he's a good jerk. Morwood Sage is the best. Damon versus Walbert for the goat Boston accent of all time in a movie. And Damon wins. So are we opening up the field to the town as well and to like other films? Yeah. Okay.

Do you think that? I think Damon's the best Boston accent guy ever. He has degrees of the accents even in the movie. Goodwill hunting, he pours it on. It's a 10 out of tank because that guy's like, this is like the Boston accent of somebody who's trying to pretend they don't have a Boston accent because they're trying to

climb up, but then it slips out in the wrong spots. I just think it's better than Wellberg. What do you guys think? I literally don't know anything about the Boston accent. Okay, good. We'll move on. Another one's age as best, Damon's hatred for firemen in this movie?

Just fucking kills me. Real contempt for the firemen. These fucking guys. The credits, 18 minutes that we mentioned. It's the first time they got pussy in the history of fire, old pussy. That's a good line.

I don't, I'll save it for unanswerable. Another would stage the best. Baldwin and Wahlberg running anything? Yeah. Can this happen again? Probably not an HR department

in SIU, right? Can these, why wasn't this Clerks three? Yeah. They just run a convenience store. I don't know. You know. Pennsylvania.

I got a lot of questions about the state troopers and why this is state troopers and not Boston PD. And I think maybe that speaks to some of the incompetence happening inside of the troopers. Baldwin's Go Fuck Yourself is great. And there's a good YouTube clip where you could just pop that up. The Nicholson death scene's really good.

I thought we could have a little impromptu best Nicholson death scene ever. Here are the nominees. Cuckoo's Nest, suffocated by a pillow. Good one. The Shining. Freeze's death in a maze. is, da' Batman.

Or the departed. I think those are the Mount Rushmore-Nicholson scenes. What about Witches of Eastwick, man? That's one of the greatest of all time. And Witches of Eastwick, he goes into the church and he starts speaking to all the people in the town, I think I think in Connecticut. And he gives one of the all-time great Nicholson speeches

in the history of movies where he's talking about women and what like what women are to men. Perfect. Obviously a complicated movie, not as good as any of those movies you're talking about. then he dies immediately after he gives that speech. One of my favorite... So who would you bump, Batman?

Batman is pretty good. I have the shining. I have shining. The maze. The face he makes when he dies. Danny realizing go backwards on the footsteps, like one of the great coaching moves ever. And we could get into this when we finally talk about the Red Sox hat thing,

but him wearing just the t-shirt that says Irish is just so good in his death scene. He's such a fucking slob in this movie. How many of those kinds of children? choices. The dildo. The cocaine. Don't cry over spilled guineas. Yeah, the cocaine. The opera. Is that all, do you think that he had carte blanche? They said the opera. It seems like it. And the dildo are his. So I don't know how Scorsese was like, oh, you want to just shoot a scene at an opera and then throw cocaine on a woman and have another woman jump on her. Like, I don't know why they were like, let's spend $50,000 making that today. But it was like a 2018 summer league when we told

Chris, just bring a camera crew, film whatever you want. Suddenly, Wendell Carter was at our door. Yeah, the departed, too, with CR. Scorsese officially breaks the record in this movie for characters hitting another character over the head with a highball glass. We talked about this the last time, but I just wanted to mention that again. I don't think anyone's ever going to come close. I don't know if anybody would ever even attempt it, but what is this, like,

the seventh movie where somebody gets hit by a glass with Scorsese? You've seen all the Scorsese's over again. I mean, he likes it. I would never eat or drink with a Scorsese character because I would always be worried about getting hit with a coffee mug, a highball glass, a diner plate. What bar scene has ever... You inspired me for our next meal.

What bar scene has ever worked out in a Scorsese movie? It's like, oh, some people have congregated in a bar. What's going to happen? They all start so promisingly, too. Yeah. It's like, oh, it's Christmas. Yeah, exactly. The line when he's like, you're a black guy in Boston,

you don't need my help to be completely fucked. And Anthony Anderson's like, It's just like a subtle Boston thing that was really smart and well-written. Do you think that the opening, opening, opening, like, montage of revealing, like the... I have that in What Stage the Worst. Okay. Okay. I didn't think it worked.

Do you? No, I don't... I kind of don't get it. It's a really different... Like a different movie. Yeah. I think you just cut that out. Especially this movie's two and a half hours.

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I wish the rat wasn't in this movie. I think that it's more. I think that it's bad. The fact that that's not Damon on the floor has aged even worse than that to me. That is not Damon, like, the dead body. Maybe that's why they ended with the rat because they were like, we couldn't get Damon for another day. That's like a body double.

Oh, I didn't even notice that. If you watch it, like, it cuts. It's Damon dead when Walberg walks out. Then when it does the reverse shot, it's not Damon on the floor and then the rat. The rat's bad. And I think it speaks to Scorsese's stature in 2006 that nobody in his life was like, come on, man. Okay, here's a case for the rat.

It's like when Chris and I did the Miami Vice Calderon's Revenge Pod. And nobody in my life was like, come on. Nobody's going to listen to that. I haven't heard that one. You didn't listen to that one. You didn't listen to almost every podcast that both of you have ever recorded. I pride myself on not only listening to, but appreciating. I feel like I really appreciate you.

I feel like I really appreciate you. I feel close to both of you. I would never listen to the Miami Vice episode. All right. That's our version of the rat. Go ahead. Make the defense. I don't really believe this, but for a movie that purposefully is maximalist in every way.

it is the final maximalist note. It is like, did you not get the picture? Did you not get the point? So you think it's intentionally absurd? I do. Okay. I do. Whether or not that was a good choice, I think is very debatable.

What do you think it means? Well, the rats are the theme over and over again. Who's the rat? I think it's like corruption rises to the top. The betrayal lives on. Yeah, right. Yeah. And it operates at the highest halls of our government and our institutions, you know?

Yeah. It's a big grand statement about a movie that is like a really cool crime movie and doesn't need a big grand statement. Marty, if you're listening, you're better than the rat. Flip phones, that's age the worst. It's just weird to see him in a movie. It's a nice time capsule. No, it's a nice time.

Oh, that's coming up. It's just weird to see a movie where flip phones are a central character. Walberg's hair. So what's going on there? It's good. What other movie was he in right around here? I think it's, well, Invincible also, there's some hair shoes. I think this is the last movie before one of the other A-plus Listers.

was like, dude, I got a guy. Did you get a haircut? Yeah. I got, no, I got a guy like,

we can fill in some stuff on the side. Oh, you think he was... Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Really? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Come on. Nobody's sneaking this stuff by me. Can I make a defense of the hair? There's an Irish hair thing. I know from Irish hair. Where, like, men, if they let it go,

it becomes like kind of a buffont. It seems like a, Bufant toupee. Yeah. And like I, my dad has a hell of a head of hair. I'm not, I'm not knocking the hair of the character in the movie. I'm saying for Walberg.

You think he's basically growing an enormous cold over. I bet when Walberg's watching The Departed, he's like, fuck, I wish I had known that hair guy for that movie. Because I just would have, it would have been more full on the sides. So when Walbert gets up at 2.45 in the morning and he just happens to like, turn on the TV. He's still pissed about the hair guy. He's like, I can't believe it. Simultaneously, Tom Brady.

also before he found the hair guy in the late 2000s and then all of a sudden he went long that one year and then all of a sudden he had more hair than I did so you think he's in like a is he in a middle stage post-op I think it's the last movie before he found the guy

okay okay yeah um by the way I don't know I don't know for a fact of this is all speculation it's okay I'll speculate what's age the worst this is the third time he was give me shelter in a movie

which speaks to the greatest hits thing. He uses in Goodfellas crushes it. Brings it back in Casino. It's like, oh, cool, I like the symmetry of I'm glad he brought it back. Then he's like, fuck it. I'm going to bring it back to the departed, and then I'm going to play it three different times.

I'm going to loop it. It's going to be edited weird a couple times, and I just have no idea why he did this again. He kind of has this style of using music in Wolf. Like, it's obviously for him, it's not like a mistake or like a fuck up or anything. It's like, this is this idea he has that the soundtrack

will be like this barrage of like a sonic barrage on the audience and that like you know when you're watching Wolf it'll be like John Lee Hooker's voice and then a stone song you know what I mean and then whatever like he definitely has this like the collision of the voices

in his head I think that's what it's supposed to be I think that like the but they were so I think in Goodfellas and earlier films it's so like perfect it's precise yeah like it's timed so well and you know I agree with that I do think um I think it's cool for a filmmaker to have like a motif that he goes back

So there are worse songs to play a lot Yes, but... It is a great song. It is... It allowed for it to become a cliche and a crutch, right? This is afters... Yeah, so like, I mean, I think

when Gump uses it, it's like when they're like, we should just put this on the bend for Twitter's. It's too bad. It's a great song. More, what's age the worst? Damon texting in his pocket

would just never happen now. could never do that with an iPhone. I can't type with an iPhone when I'm staring at the iPhone. He's doing it. Yeah. We talked about this on the last pot about whether that should be an X-Games event of people trying to text with... T-9. Yeah. Blind T-9 texting. Also, pre-quarty keyboard on your phone, it was hard to text. Yeah, I don't know how he did it. Chinese microchips? What's going on there? Micro processors. Micro processors? What are they doing? Micro processors. Why is Whitey Bulger care about microprocessors? Very valuable. They go to war with Taiwan. You're saying micro-processors. You're saying micro-processors.

processors age the worst or the plot device of microprocessors? I don't know why this should have been a drug and guns movie. It's a weird macawcunders thing. It would have been cool. I think that the microprocessors thing is supposed to be why the FBI is interested. Like why like, because like in the same way with like in the early wire, it's like if you want to make a case, you have to make it like it's like the possible terror chargers or whatever. The cocaine opra scene is just opera. It's just bonkers. A cocaine opra scene would have been really special. Cocaine Oprah would have made history. The cocaine opera scene is just fucking bonkers. And that was another one of Marty Nicholson being like, hey Marty, let's do this. Watch that scene four times to see why it was there.

I was like, there's no explanation whatsoever for that scene to be in the movie. Yeah, I think it's just, I think it's the point that you were making earlier about the way they introduced the scene there. Like, this guy's Satan. Yeah. You know, he's Satan. He's got no loyalty to anything. He's just a pure hedonist. And that's it.

You want some Coke? And he just like throws a pile of it. I think it's because also he's like, he's like, 70 years old when he makes this movie and he's like, I would like to have fun. Yeah. I'm not going to make this movie unless you let me have fun. Nicholson's really been denying himself up to that. The bad Boston accents.

Really? Nicholson's like, can I finally enjoy myself? Yeah, I've been living in this one-bedroom place, Brentwood, you know. Never really imbibing in anything. One lady guy. He's a legend. The bad Boston accents. Leo's okay.

Wait, I thought you said it was the best Boston accents of all time. I said for Damon and Walburne. Oh, okay. Leo's okay. I'm okay with it. I think it lapses a little bit, kind of... Well, he's also stronger or gets weaker, but it's okay. It's not like blood diamond level where it's like distracting. Baldwin's okay. I still feel like he's doing a little New York. Yeah, it's like a Long Island slash Boston. He can't get out of that. He can never get out of that. But it's okay. The three that are bad,

Vera Farminga, who just abandons it in an hour. But man, I have no idea why they gave her a Boston accent. Just make it from anywhere. In my experience, she's a doctor. She's a doctor. Actually, it's like, what? How many people in Boston, when you're, like, walking around, do you hear, like, that kind of Boston accent? I feel like if you're from...

A lot of people are transplanted. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. She could have easily been from, like, fucking Chicago. Who cares? Yeah, when they're talking about, like, this guy's from Southie, then if you don't have the accent, maybe that would be more noticeable. That would have been such a choice if you were for a media

had a completely unexplained serious Chicago accent. Like, hey, Leo, are you coming down here for therapy? Or Philly accent. When are you coming home? Yo, Leo. Martin Sheen, I can't believe he fucked. I feel like he's played Boston people before.

Can't get it straight. Come on, Martin Sheen. That accent had to work because that guy's got to be a lifer who's lived in Massachusetts from day one. And he's got to have an accent like my uncle Bob. And then Nicholson, I'll just do all the Nicholson once age the worst in a row. The monologue about race is just awful that should have been cut out. The dildo in the porn theater

was just inexplicable. Not wearing a Red Sox hat and banning them on the set. It's a Boston movie. It's a fucking Boston movie. And it's like, here's Jack Nicholson is like, hey, I'm not wearing a Red Sox hat. Don't make me do that.

It's like, you've killed Scatman Crothers with the fucking axe? Like, what are you doing? You've done horrible. things in movies, but it's like Red Sox hat, I'm drawing the line. It's like, you're playing a character. You're playing a guy who's a murderer. But the Red Sox hat is too much.

Like, he's Weidy Bulger. He is murdering people in this movie all the time. It's really good to know what it takes to hear your moral outrage. This is one of my favorite things. It's an authentic Boston and extended Boston movie with a fucking gangster from Boston who won't wear Red Sox hat.

What the fuck are you doing? Big Notre Dame guy. I don't know. Yeah. It's outrageous. It's such, I can't believe Scorsese bent over on that one. Scorsese's from New York. Well, yeah, but this is another case

of somebody would be like, hey man, if this is supposed to be Whitey Bulger. Did Whitey Bulger wear a Red Sox hat? Was that known? Nicholson has a Yankee hat on, I thought, in one scene. It's a boss move for him to be like, what a dick. If you were Frank Costello, you'd be like,

I don't have to cheer for the fucking Red Sox. How about that? Could be, yeah. He's a, he's a king of the Zag. Somebody in his crew would have shot out. I found a photo of Whitey Bulger wearing a Red Sox hat. Wow.

Oh, there you go. Craig found a photo way to build your winner. It's like that. I'm telling you, he gets shot by someone in his crew over this, over this one thing. It's dead. All right. That's all I have for what stage is worse. Do you guys have anything else?

I have a couple. The end, you know, the triple cross action scene is very well done. I find the shootout that kills Costello to be somewhat spatially confusing in certain places. Like, as action sequences go, we're coming out at the, era of like heat and everything. Yeah, how is Damon all alone? Yeah, it was just like it's kind of weird. Yeah, you were a ham-fisted, yeah.

All the guys who were getting killed, I'm just like, who are these dudes? There's also like a couple of, like, we talked about some of the misfires on the cutting. Like, I think like blood starts to explode out of Martin Sheen's body before it hits the ground. You know, like, there's a couple of things that are just kind of like off like that that are fun, but like also just worth worth noting. Wow. Who brought the narc? You just had a fucking tantrum about the fact that this. This guy's not wearing a red sock sack. You should have my back at the red side side.

You're like, this guy should be wearing a fucking Derek Lowe's jersey all this time. He should have. He should be wearing like a Papabon, alternate home jersey. Wow. Then he truly would have been the most unlikable part of the movie. This time around I also was just like, that's not really Boston. You know, like they shot a couple weeks of Boston. The Chinatown scene is so obviously New York when he's actually chasing Leo.

There's no way that's not New York when you're watching it. There's no part of Boston that even looks like that. I feel like for the scheme. where Costello determines that Bill is not the rat is not a very impressive scheme to confirm that he's not the rat like that's a little bit of a plot

flaw. The other thing that always annoys meaning about this is what John Lennon's well, well is playing on the soundtrack and then there's a scene where Jack Nicholson's like let me tell you something about John Lennon. It's like, who the, why, what? That whole line

Whitey Bajor's thoughts on John Lennon. Give me a tuba. Yeah. That whole conversation is ridiculous where he's pulling the handout of the plastic bag. It's like it's entertaining, but it's almost like he's... Great French line, though. I thought it was really nice that you asked which hand he jerked off with. There's also one more woodstaged the word.

This is like a deep Boston thing, but the state house, which is prominently featured even in the last shot. They had to basically genetically... Invent a condo. They had to invent that view. This condo, having a view of that... It would have been in the middle of Boston Common, right? It doesn't exist. Yeah, it doesn't exist.

There's no angle. That's Beacon Hill. That's where my dad's lived for the last 17 years. Like, it's all surrounded by buildings and trees. And I said to you when we did the last departed podcast, I was talking about how I'm blown away. He's on his honeymoon at the four seasons. And then something blows up and he sees it from afar.

And it's just like there's no view like that from the four seasons of any part of Boston. As I'm telling Chris that, Chris's like, blown away. Good movie. Like, not even listening to me. But when people bastardize, Boston stuff. The end of blown away where they're just going downhill for a hundred blocks. And it's like there's only four blocks. Yeah. It's like, are we in San Francisco now? But I just, when people bastardize Boston, it has bothers me. All right, casting what ifs. Actually,

the casting what ifs are so good. We're taking another break. This episode is brought to you by two good and company coffee creamers. How do you take your coffee? Piping hot, ice, strong, frothy. But if you love rich, creamy goodness and delicious flavor in every sip, try two. good-encompanied creamers. They're made with farm-fresh cream and real milk. Each serving has just three grams of sugar, 40% less than the leading coffee creamers. Two good creamers are available in sweet cream, roasted vanilla and lavender. So which one are you trying first? Find two good creamers at your local retailer in the creamer aisle. The casting what-ifs for this movie, dare I say, are probably the best for any movie we've ever done. Wow. There's actually

a whole alternate departed movie that you can make that we'll debate. So, you mentioned Pitt. Pitt buys the producing rights in the movie, decides he's going to play

the Damon part. And then Brad Pitt at some point decides I might be too old let's get somebody else for the Damon part. And it's also like, I'm going to go do

Babel, right? Correct. Right. This was a topic of the first time we did a part of podcast. Brad Pitt, like,

genius. with some of this stuff or like just kind of dumb smart. Because he really does have instincts over and over again of like, no, no, I'm not right for this. Whereas a lot of actors are like, I've got to be in this. Just I'll make myself look younger. But he seems to have pretty good instincts about whether he should be in a movie or not. Yes and no.

I think I do think he is a genius when it comes to picking projects. I don't think he always casts himself well in those projects. Like as a producer, he's amazing. But he was in like Meet Joe Black and the devil's own and a bunch of stuff that like just does not work. And he's miscast and they're not good movies. That's early in his career though. I think maybe he learned from that stuff.

But he went into Babel, which is not good. Yeah, you're right. All right. So it's a toss-up. So he's like seven years older than Damon? Right? I don't know if that's epic of a different deal. I mean, I think Damon is a way better choice.

It turned out right. Scorsese wanted Al Pacino for Costello. He'd never worked with Pacino anymore. I was excited about it. Pacino turned it down. Nicholson's second choice. Okay. But, like, one, I really, I feel like I need to hear you.

No, no, we're going to, no, no, wait. Hold that. Okay. Hold the Pacino. Ray Leota was the original choice for Dignam. Had to reluctantly decline because he had other commitments. Would you like to know what those other commitments were? I would.

Ray Leota could have been in this movie, could have reunited with Scorsese. Here's just what he made in 2006. Smoke and Aces, comeback season, local color, and even money. I don't even know if I know what even money is.

This is a really good lesson, this whole casting what if section of like how hard it is with scheduling in Hollywood and contracts and stuff where it's like the people who could have been in this movie but were like,

uh, Dennis Lierre, I got to go make season three of rest of me. Dennis Leary becomes... Dennis Leary is the second choice for Dignam. Can't do it. He would have been great. Now, Walberg is perfect in the movie

and is very funny, but Leary definitely could have pulled it off. Ellorby, the Alk Baldwin character, offered to Mel Gibson. Mel Gibson says, I can't accept I'm about to start apocalyptic. Scorsese is like, well, I've always wanted to work

with Alk Baldwin. He becomes Alk Baldwin. Queenin, the Martin Sheen character, is supposed to be Robert De Niro. Robert De Niro is going to make the good. Shepherd, he can't do it. Can't make the schedules where it goes to Martin Sheen. The Rizza is going to be Anthony Anderson's role.

Can't do it. Too old. Scheduling conflicts. Too old. He becomes Anthony Anderson. And then Leo was in the Good Shepherd but dropped out to play Billy Cost again. Matt Damon then took the Good Shepherd role? But I think that that's like we said earlier where it's like they're not really

shooting the same movie. I wonder if there was like Matt Damon was done later or before Leo was. You know what's a really unexamined movie is the Good Shepherd? Do you like that movie? I think I've seen it once. I've only seen it once. And it's, I mean, you know, you just had Billy Crudup on the pod. I mean, it's like, it's a pretty dynamite cast.

Damon, Angelina Jolie, Crutup, Robert De Niro. Steve Zillion wrote it, right? Eric Roth wrote it and it's directed by De Niro. Unexamined movies on the big picture on Friday. It's like a good thing for a pot. It's just a movie that people forgot. Yeah. No one talks about it.

Well, here's your alternate departed cast. Are you ready? Leo's still in. Leo's our automatic quarterback. He was always in the Costigan part. Leo, Pitt, Pacino, Leota, De Niro, Mel Gibson, and the Riza. I think I like that cast more. It's pretty loaded.

They should have just made the same movie three years later with all of those people. In this version of it, is Pacino still an Irish mob boss? Unfortunately, yes. In his version of it, is he wearing a Red Sox hat? Yes. win some lose some Can you imagine Al Pacino wearing a Red Sox hat?

I can't imagine wearing a hat I think you lose some of the physicalness of Costello Costello's kind of Nicholson I don't know how tall he is but at least it was lumbering

Yeah He's imposing That's true Pachino is just like Nicholson in that Even when he is completely off the rails I love it

Like I never am like Oh devil's advocate this isn't good. Like, it's great. I love it. I watched two for the money the other night. Incredible.

Amazing. So entertaining. I'm gambling again! You say the word for one for us. Let's start it right after this. I'm ready. I got it.

All, Renee Rousseau, I got it. Yeah, so Pacino. Pacino's Castello. We lose the physicalness, but what we gain is Chris Ryan doing Pacino. Yeah, so when French is like,

I thought she was reliable. She wasn't. We Castillo just shout all of his lines. Yeah. I'm not as good as like Titus Welliver doing Al Pacino. Like I can't do like manner in Al Pacino. Does Titus Welliver do a Pacino? Have you never seen Titus Weller's?

Have you been studying Welliver's Pacino? No, I saw it there's a, there's an episode I got served this on YouTube probably because it understands me better than myself of Titus Wellover on the Kevin Pollock, like, podcast. Yeah. And he just does Pacino doing American Buffalo for like five. minutes. I've watched that. It's perfect. Yeah, it's really good. It's unnerving. Wow. Yeah. Would you rather have Ray Leota or Walberg? I'd rather have Walberg, but it makes me sad to this day that Ray Leota has not been in another Scorsese movie. This is like, this is actually a trending topic every six months on Twitter. It's like, what did Ray Leota do to Scorsese that he never cast him again? I didn't know that he tried to cast him for this movie. He did. Would you rather have Mel Gibson or Alk Baldwin?

I would 100 out of 100 times prefer Baldwin. I actually think this movie kind of revives Baldwin in a way. But I want to see Mel Gibson in a Scorsesee movie. I want to know what it looks like. Would you rather have De Niro or Sheen. I'd rather have De Niro. De Niro. So let me just ask, though.

Does De Niro like overpower certain things? I think he can underplay very well. Yeah. It's kind of a nothing part of that. He goes Bronx tail bus driver. But he can be, yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly right. He underscels.

Okay. He lays out. All right, there we go. Oh, I'm excited for this one. We didn't have this category last time. Best that guy, a.k. the Joey Pantsower, our nominees. Boggs, a.k. Delahunt,

aka Mark Ralston. I had to look his name up. That's his name, yeah. I could be a friend of you. Oh, sweetie. Our guy, Kevin Corrigan, a Chris Ryan, all-time favorite. I have him more for Dion. Have you had Kevin Corrigan on the watch?

No. Does he know how much you appreciate and love his work? I doubt it. Doesn't seem like a big podcast guy. Ray Winstone is Mr. French. He's not in jailing. He's Ray Winston. Come on. He's Ray Winston. He's like the fifth lead. Craig doesn't know who Ray Winston is. I can't help that. Also, he can't win because Ray Winston is not fucking Irish. I'm sorry Ray Winston wasn't in forgetting Sarah Marshall. Fitsy. Maybe in another life. Fitsy is that guy.

Fitsy, yeah. David O'Hara. or James Badge. A fucking embarrassed man! Think of the fucking size of that dog. That's pretty good man. Or James Badge Deo, who I think is just the guy from the departed for most people. For Chris, he is Al Pacino.

He's really Al Pacino for CR. I have a deep cut. Yeah. And this is a very, like, original text reading of the Joey Pants of Word. The guy, J.C. McKenzie, who plays Damon's Realtor. I'm like, I've seen that guy. A million times. Are you married?

Your wife have money? And there's another, yeah, there's a couple of people. The winner is Boggs. Boggs is an incredible that guy. I do like that guy, though, and he's like, I have a co-signor, he's like, so you're saying you're going to have a house gas? That guy is good. Boggs is the winner.

The Vincent Hannon, give me all you got a word. Let's just skip to the finals. We've out of Baldwin, and we have Jack Nicholson. Yeah, the mash. He's over at the mage. When I say put a body in the mosh, you put a body in the mosh. You guys are right. I'm not going to debate that, but I will say honorable mention for DiCaprio walking through Logan Airport.

Meet up! Do you actually want me dead? There is a rat in your unit. Yeah, that's pretty good. And then the best part about it is that as he comes off the walk, like, the walkway, the dad and his little daughter are walking by. Can you imagine if you were behind a guy in an airport who was talking like that? And that apparently little girl is Francesca Scorsese. Oh, that's nice. So there you go. Nicholson wins. You could argue we call this the Frank Costello

award because Nicholson just goes for it in every scene in a severe way. Let me ask you just a direct question. Yeah. Is it good that Jack Nicholson is in this movie? So I guess we can do this now. And can you answer that without thinking about Al Pacino? Or the Red Sox hat. So I had this in recasting couch, but we can do it now. Because my instinct was to recast Costello because I don't think this is a good Nicholson performance based on our expectations of a Jack Nicholson performance, especially in 2006 when he still carried an incredible amount of leeway. He doesn't get nominated for an Oscar for this movie, which is impossible. It's shocking.

Not because he wasn't good just because of his stature that you're describing. Yeah, so basically for him not to be nominated means something went wrong with the performance. It's a movie that wins for Best Picture and Best Director and has Jack Nicholson in this Hannibal Lecter part. And it's like, how does he not even get nominated? But he shouldn't have been nominated

because it's not a good performance. You need somebody with real weight and real fame and real prestige in that part. You got to have somebody who, if he's in a scene that DiCaprio, DiCaprio is going to be like it's one of the most memorable experiences

in my life. So who can that be? So in 2006, I went through all the best actors for every year. I was like, did I miss somebody? I don't know who that is. I don't know if that person was at the right point of their career. Yeah, I was going to say that my... It's like a Brando Godfather kind of like you're the respected old guy, but who is it? Daniel DeLois is too young. Who is it? Yeah, I mean, the same thing I would say for Sean Penn, because Sean Penn, also in one of the great Irish gangster movies, state of praise. He's too young. But he's, he's, He's 57 now. And he's not fun.

And he's not fun. And 15 years ago, he would have just been like in his late kind of... Jimmy Con. No. I think he's too old. By 06? He's the only person who can do that kind of... I think Chris had it.

That you need. Which one of you guys said Gandalfini? Oh, I didn't. Because he's not Irish. Too young he's not Irish. And he can't play Irish. I would rather see Gandalfini as well as he was... Then just rewrite it as the Italian mop.

Like, I mean, I guess. You know what you mean? I understand why he did what he did, but it's like, if you want to have De Niro or Gandalfini, play Frank, go for it. But just, you don't have to change his last name.

I mean, you can't have, don't get me wrong. I wish Gandalfini was in a hundred more movies than he was in. He's a genius. This is an Irish gangster movie.

Right. Nicholson is Irish, but kind of sort of. Ray Winstone is English. He's not Irish. How about Duval? DiCaprio's not Irish. None of these guys are Irish.

Duval is like, I mean, see, that's like when he made it's like after the paper like what hell what was Duval doing in like 06 I mean he's the same age as James Con

so if James Con is too old then Duval is too old let me tell you something my crap McFriend she's never gonna get that movie ever should we have Jack Waltz in that part was I don't know so this is why

even though I don't like the performance and it's a bummer but if you look at his IMDB like he makes the bucket list the next year and then his career is over like this is like tail tail tail end this is Magic Johnson in the 1996 playoffs with the Lakers. This is the end of the line for him.

I think that the argument, your argument could be made, the argument that could be made is that it might be a tighter movie without Nicholson because you don't have a couple of his like, I'm just going to do this. We're going to have to put this in the movie, the opera scene, the dildo, whatever. There's a couple of scenes where he seems to just like break away from whatever the scene's meaning is by just doing his own thing. but at the same time I can't conceive with the movie

without him you know what I guess I just think like with few good men you think like every choice he makes he's in 15 minutes of a few good men

I know but in there but every moment in a few good men is just perfect by him it's a perfect acting choice everything and this he's like

he's fucking all over the place Hackman Hackman How old is Hackman is Hackman and he's five I think Nicholson's 84 and Hackman's 88 Yeah

Hackman's the choice That's good. I like that. I like that one. Imposing. Concurse with the best of them. It's played bastards in the past. Never worked with Scorses Easy, right? Never Worker's Scors Easy. That's a really good one. He had kind of checked out at that point, though, right? I don't remember. Welcome to Moose Port is the last movie. I might have been 05. I'd rather roll the dice with Hackman than have Nicholson in this.

Deanne Waiters, Mr. French, Wahlberg, or Baldwin. I mean, Dignam's in how many scenes? I think it's Walbur. It's got to be Walbur, right. Baldwin's really good Deanna.

It's tough for him to lose Dan Waiters. It's a bad beat. One of the worst beats. Recasting couch. I like your hackman idea. I also, I said this on the first pod we did.

I don't think James Badgedale was famous enough and when you see this movie the first time, it doesn't register that he's the guy from before. I think it has to be somebody who I knew who it was from earlier.

He's in the, like he gets picked in the crew. Like there's, It seems like in the beginning, in the first act of that movie, and especially when he goes up to him and he's like, what are you going to invade Poland? Like, you know, like he goes up to him. It's not memorable enough because I remember in the theater,

not knowing who it was. He's going to be Colin's partner for a while. It's got to be somebody I know. I think that's why it works. I think it has to be somebody that we don't have a relationship with. If it's a more famous actor. Can it be Ryan Gosling? Oh, God, no. I got.

Jake Gyllenha? That would have been more interesting. Keith Ledger? When Jake Gyllenhaul shows. up in two scenes and then disappears for two hours in the movie, you'd be like, what the fuck happened to Jake Jalenhall? When's he coming back? Then I just feel like, oh, he just wanted to work with Scorsese.

He wanted to get two scenes in. Yeah, I just, I like that you are reminded that this guy was even in the movie. Yeah. He was apart. And also, James Bajdale is legit good and has been in legitimately good stuff since. So it makes it, it- I feel like it's aged better. Well, I think he's good, though.

I'm a fan of this movie, yeah. Badgedale have. Half-Sernet Research. Edgedale, Dan. All right. So for recasting catch, we'll settle on Gene Hackman.

I like that. St. Costello, that's a good one. Half-ass internet research. I just think you have to accept the fact that, like,

hackman might have been, like, I'm not going to do certain things in this movie. You know what I mean? That Nicholson was clearly, like, I have an idea. You want too much or not enough?

I should throw cocaine at these two people. It's too much. Not enough. Marty, I brought a vibrator for this scene. I don't know if we'll use it, but I thought it could be on the jukebox. He's chaos.

Half-ass internet research. him and Nicholson, like, did not get along in the set. Winston, big Papillon guy. Nicholson, when he got cast, he said he wanted to be a little more than a gangster film. That's when Moynihan came up with the... Monaghan came up with the basing on Whitey Bulger. Unfortunately, not basing enough. The window view behind the rat was a nod by Scorsese to gangster films.

He loved, like, Little Caesar Scarface and Whitehead. He still didn't work, sorry. Did you know Ray Winstone was supposed to be Jimmy McNulty? No. Wow. Why did they want an English actor for that part? Turned it down. He's in...

What did he do instead? Oh, he wasn't a... No, he didn't want to... He didn't want to move to Baltimore. Turned it down. Wow. Dominic West's a really interesting. Because Dominic West is such a ladies man

and such a rap scallion and that part Winston wouldn't have done that. Scorsese said he was surprised the film won. he never thought about an award ever when he was filming it. He thought it was too nasty in violin. It was a remake. Frank walks off with the Angel Kids and there's a yacht in the background. It's the same yacht as Wolframal Street.

A little yacht callback. We mentioned the X motif. Here are some things where you see X's. Crossbeam supports in the airport walkway when Costigan, that airport scene. Taped windows of the building, Queen, and enters before being thrown to his death. behind Kostik's head in the elevator and then the carpeted floor when Matt Damon returns

this was Chris take the floor man last Scorsese ballhouse collaboration I know you I know those guys been a lot to you he was trying apparently like he said that like they tried to shoot

the movie in a certain way in the first couple of weeks of shooting that then they realized they couldn't pull off I don't know whether I think it was to like more be more like kind of attribute to infernal affairs itself and have more like crazy whip pans and stuff like that and then they wound up making

it differently but yeah I mean he's what a great what a great pairing Mike Ballhouse genius he also Scorsese's movies look a lot different after this movie because he works with who now it's he went to Robert Richardson who did all the Tarantino's Oliver Stone and Tarantino movies

and then now he works with Rodrigo Prieto and Prieto's movies look there's a reason the Irishman looks nothing like Goodfellas, and that the departed looks nothing like Wolf of Wall Street. It's totally different eyes. No Janusz Kaminsky? No Kaminsky. That's Spielberg's had him on lock for years.

So this movie was basically responsible for all the Boston movies that were filmed in Boston. From that point on, because... Mr. Rivers of 3, right? Yeah, but they had... New York had the 15% filmmaking tax credit. Boston was like, wow, they shot the departed in New York. What are we doing wrong? They do the 25% tax credit and it's two...

15 years of movies getting filmed the mass. She said, so there's a, Monahan was talking about a sequel. I have the quote here if you want it. Go. My idea, this is Monahan. My idea is actually to set the film before, during, and after the action of the first film,

which I think would be extraordinary. Essentially in the middle section of the thing I've intended, you see actions that take place during the original departed, but aren't on screen in the original departed. So basically, it would be like stuff that happens in the defart parted from different perspectives. It's called the defarted. You have almost that type of that.

Actually, it should be what it's called. The Mad Magazine. Just Nicholson farting. He pushed for that. Yeah, so I thought that was an interesting take, but obviously never. Walberg was talking about the sequel a little because there was like a Dignam. It's interesting, too, because Infernal Affairs, there's like a bunch of movies now. Yeah, they did make sequels.

Well, Corcese said, no thanks. I'm amazed Walberg hasn't talked Netflix into the departed sequel based on Dignam. The Adventures of Dignam. 20, 15 years later, whatever, set in Boston and just told Uncle Ted to write him a check for 75. He probably could get that going right now.

Hey, Ted Sarandos, if you're listening, the Dignam sequel, we're all in. I didn't know, what was the last movie, Wahlberg made? Spencer Confidential. Yeah. I think it's the most watched movie in the history.

Didn't he just do like a long walk? No, he did Infinite with Paramount Plus, which was not very successful. Spencer Confidential, I think, is the most watched movie in the history of Netflix. Chris knows the answer. How many times was the F word used in this movie?

112. 238. Yeah. Whoa. I think they're undercounting. This was the first best picture Oscar winner that wasn't released on VHS. Yeah.

Interesting. When Sullivan turns on the shower before Madeline starts to listen to the Costigan tape, the shots are the same three shots as in Psycho's infamous shower scene because Corsese's love Sean. That's why he does stuff like that. That's really beautiful.

I didn't know that, but now that you say it, it makes sense, right into the shower head, right into the knob. Yeah, that's cool. Apex Mountain, Leo has this and Blood Diamond in the same year and becomes a massive adult, A plus plus list movie star, there's a case.

Yeah. There's also like the Leo, like he merges the critical acclaim with like the Blockbuster. You know, it's like Shutter Island and Wolf of Wall Street come after this with him and Marty and there, They're just $200 million movies.

You want to do your blood diamond? I honestly don't have a... I don't know if I could do a blood diamond. You know when you're going to do it when we do the Blood Diamond rewatchables? Because I still really like that movie. Never been a fan. No?

No. Well, we won't invite you. I'm gambling again! Matt Damon, no. Scorsese, no, even though you made the case that weirdly it could be. You know, if you can have two apexes. It's like a career apex.

The drop kick Murphy's fucking A-Yes They have this The same year Papabond starts using them At the entrance music Shipping up to Boston It's played as many times As Gimme Shelter in this movie

And becomes a Really the number one Red Sox song It's gonna for the rest of Our life for Red Sox games They will be playing the Dropkick Burfey's And it'll last forever You know the Bostones are like God damn it

The impression that I get was right there And they just We market corrected So Dickie's I obviously know him and I'm friends with him. We've made fun of him about what a fucking unforced error that was. How did he not have the Fenway Park song? It was right there.

You have one job. Yeah. It helps when Martin Scorsesey handpicks your song and puts it in a movie. That amplifies the impression. But you've been a big dropkick Murphy's guy for years. I've been to like hundreds of shows. I'm kind of a Murph head. I just like when I take my vacations, I follow them on the road.

DM. Jack Nicholson, no. Mark Wahlberg, no. Comfortably Numb I think it's probably had bigger moments Can you name one? This version of Comfortably Numb, yes The Van Morrison

Yes From the live album? The live album Okay But the song Comfortably Numb I would say Probably from its original release When it became kind of a phenomenon

Tell me a story When the original release Well it is a little bit before our time How do you think Craig knows Comfortably Numb from this movie? Do you know what Comfortably Numb is? Not my name Doesn't know it.

You don't know comfortably numb Can you name a Pink Floyd song? Nobody 135 knows who Pink Floyd was. I know who Pink Floyd is, but I couldn't identify the name of Comptuilly Known. Can you name one Pink Floyd song that isn't comfortable enough? No. Answers no.

The wall. Oh. Good one. Okay. You got it. Good job, Craig. Combat Zone porn theaters. You want me to do my riff now about this?

About whether or not this is Apex Mountain for Combat Zone. Well, first of all, they were gone by then. This is a huge. nitpick with this movie. Combat Zone has already been cleaned up by 2006. What is combat zone? So the Combat Zone when I was growing up, I know where it is. Yeah. It was this part of Boston

that was like strip joints. Red Light District. It was basically a condensed version of Times Square. Did you hear the confidence? She said, I know where that is. Well, CR was in the 90s. Did you? It was down there. Is that what she called it? You went there for bad things. And it was

you know, you went down, if somebody was like, where were you last night and they were like, I was at the combat zone, you'd be like, oh, oh, no, what happened? So they cleaned it up by the time this movie came out. But when I was a kid, the combat zone, I didn't know what it was. Obviously, never went down there.

In my head, it was like escaped from New York where it was just like nudity and drugs. Tattoos. Yeah, every bad thing was in the combat zone. Great name, by the way. Great name. Yeah. But so it's gone.

there's an anachronism in the film because that stuff was all gone. Long gone. Like five, six years gone. I don't think there was any porn theaters anymore in Boston. I don't remember any porn theaters, honestly.

But there was an area of Boston that was where all like the adult bookstores were. That's great. There was a good porn theater. Yeah, it was next to... There was a good porn theater? No, no, hold on.

Like, IMAX? By the way, that adult bookstore was next to the DMV. I never got a Boston license. Because I was waiting for my license for an hour. I was like, I'm going to go in the adult bookstore. Just looked at some stuff. Kept picking.

I'd see Joaquin'Hawking Phoenix in there behind the counter. Didn't happen. You guys just digging your own graves. I'm fine. I got nothing to hide. No, but there was a porn theater in the Boston Garden on Cosway Street. Right, like, when you started walking to the game, and it was like a pizza place, and a ducking donuts.

And then like this porn theater with the thing. And I would always be like, my dad, like, what's that place? Like, don't worry about it. But it was around Boston in like a really seedy way and then it was gone by 01. Alec Baldwin.

No, I think it's 30 Rock. His apex mound? Glenn Gary. Southie is Southie in that extended Boston has a movie kind of center. No.

I think it's been done better. Vera Farming, no. Boston accents. What's Vera Farmeagas's King Mountain? Conjuring. Conjuring. She's like a huge star now.

Conjuring is like a massive, massive. I also think she was really good and up in the air a movie that I really like. Yeah, Bates my toes up. Yeah. Any other apex mountains? I got a couple. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, cop magnet cousins. Kevin Corrigan, the apex mountain of being a cop magnet cousin. Because, like, you just, when you say that, you just see Kevin Corrigan taking off his funeral suit and just being in his wife, white tank top. Is Kevin Corrigan like 40 years old in this movie? I don't know. Is he living with his mom at 40?

Yes. It's great. Yeah. When they sit on that deck outside, I should have put that in what stage is the best. That was like that back porch where you look out and your view is just everybody else on their porch. That was exactly what I had in Charlestown. We were like, hey, let's go out in the deck. And the deck is just a bunch of other people on their decks.

There's no view of anything. Also, for me in fantasy, those two guys ruling around Boston listening to Thief's theme. Oh, God. One of the coolest, like, very few rap moments in the history of Martin's Gorsese. an amazing hip-hop moment. That's such a great song. Why don't you keep it to two eight balls an hour? We should have put that in Apex Man.

He does this thing in that. He's got his hat backwards and he like pulls it around and down. It's really cool. Yeah. He's wearing the Red Sox cat. Yeah, black Red Soxie. Picking Nets. Why did Costigan agree to such a terrible deal from these two guys?

Costigan needed. He really needed. He really needed a situation. Yeah. You have to go to jail. Can we unpack the psychology a little bit? I want to understand the character a little bit. more. He's a rich kid, but he's not a rich kid. His mom is from a well-to-do family. His parents,

I guess she married a lower middle-class guy. Who is worked at the airport. But his brother was a was a mobster. Yeah. They split up presumably at a young age. So he did what we did. You know, he did weekends and he'd split his time with his families. What did that do to him psychologically that he let two cops after finishing, you know, bootcats? You know, bootcats. You know, basically to be a trooper, talk him out of being a trooper to be an undercover police officer? Well, they basically challenged his manhood, right, by saying, like, he's too much of a rich rich boy prissy to want to... What the hell is that?

I don't know. I'm just, that was how it was kind of sold to us in the movie. Okay, my father was an undercover cop. He didn't have to get bullied out of being a cop to become an undercover cop. He was just a cop. So it's... I don't understand it either. Is it that he got into trouble in school, right? That's where he went ape shit on a teacher, right?

That's like when he's younger. But there was... had a history of violence, but that shouldn't withhold, like, that didn't disallow him from being a police officer. He wouldn't have gotten into the academy, if that were the case. It's a huge hole. There should have been

some sort of fuck up where he wasn't going to become a cop because they found this one thing in his record or something. How much do you think is the bonus that they're like, you have this bonus? They said it was $30,000. No, that's what he says to Kevin Corrigan about the insurance that he gets from his mom's death.

When Martin Sheen is like, there's no real salary for this job, but this is tax-free, and he writes it down on a piece of paper. Like, is that like $500,000? But it's like, are we supposed to understand that he's a thrill-seeker?

Is it that he has this like... I think he's got a death wish. Yeah, I think it was death-wish. They didn't totally sell correctly. More unrealistic, Sheen not realizing Matt Damon was the rat, or Costella not realizing Leo was the rat. I think actually Sheen,

Damon's like, hold on, I got to call my... I think he'd be hearing that for a lot of... a lot of the movie Kastello still thinks that Billy's the rat. Sheen has no idea Damon's working against him even though he's just calling his dad during major moments of the movie.

Damon jumping in the interrogation and trumping Anthony Anderson telling them to turn the camera off and then telling the guy to call his mother and none of those guys being like, wait, what the fuck is going on? Why are we turning the cameras off? It stretches some disbelief

a couple of times with a couple of things that Damon does. Where, you know, Damon butts in, and he says, like, I'm working with Queenin's guy now, and he gets them to cut, you know, lose the tail near the end of the movie before that shootout. There's a couple of moments where, like, that wouldn't happen. But that one specifically they were talking about, Anthony Anderson's like, what's he doing? And Badge Dale is like, well, he just did it.

And then once you know that Badge Dale is also working for Costello, it makes a little bit more sense because he's like, yeah, I'll let him get away with it. Leo sees the Citizen's bank envelope when he's about to get his identity back. What doesn't he take it? why did he leave it, prominently displayed in the desk like somebody had seen it, and why did he run off? This guy supposedly has a 1,400 SITs and is supposedly smart, completely botches that 90 seconds.

So this dovetails very closely with an unanswerable question, which is what happens if Costigan doesn't see the envelope, and Damon's character comes back in, Sullivan comes back in and says, everything checks out, I'm ready to give you your check and let you be on your way. Like everyone just goes back to their life? Like, what happens?

The movie ends. But Matt Damon has more impotent sex. Right. With the tape. We cut back to the bedroom where Matt Damon can't get it up again. That's just the end of the movie. Overtime. Mine's working overtime.

Costello's lawyer gave Costigan the tapes. It's like, hey, you should have these? What? That's a stretch. Huh? That's a plot control. That's how he hangs Colin? It's got these tapes.

Castello's lawyer? Yeah. Why is Costello's lawyer giving those tapes to anybody? It's just, it's the same kind of like quick shit where it's just like, yeah. The reason we know

the combat zone thing. I know what Chris knows it. We know they're gone by them because they say the Patriot Act, which means the movie had we had to be taking place in at least like 02. The porn theaters are gone at that point.

He pulls up Kostigan's record in the computer and he has two different date of births. It's a fun little, how did they not notice this thing? And we mentioned the apartment doesn't exist. Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show is our next category? I mean, I would make it a limited series. I wouldn't make it a multi-season thing.

You know what I mean? Like, I would just stretch it out. I don't think you could make it at this pace, though. I think we talked about this the last pot. I was like the way that it's made is so exhausting that I don't think you would have to have it more like true detective than the way it's made. Yeah, it's like a light the wick movie, you know, like you need to get to the explosion before you feel satisfied with the experience. I'll flip the question around. Could this be remade as a 10-episode Dignam show with Mark Wahlberg?

Definitely. True. Okay. Probably in answerable questions. Why do you think Damon was impotent in this movie? So I think it's all also, it ties into everything in Collins' life is a lie in a performance. There's nothing that is. He's not a person.

He doesn't, he's everything he does is hiding something else. When you, when he has that moment, she's already been with Billy by the. this point. But Colin has that moment with Madeline where he's like, if this isn't going to work out, you have to leave because I'm Irish and I'll just, I won't do anything about this for the rest of my life. Do you think he's being sincere? If we're not going to make it, it's got

to be you that gets out because I'm not capable. I'm fucking Irish. I'll deal with something being wrong for the rest of my life. That's Sean on the Jets. Do you think that's Colin being sincere? But do you think he's trying to be fake vulnerable? Or is that his most billion? No. I don't know. That's real. That's his most billion moment. Yes. I think that's

Absolutely. I think that's very real. That's what Sean said to his fellow Jets fans after he watched Zach Wilson throw four interception. It runs so much deeper than the Jets men. It's what he says, Strimski. Next,

an answerable question. Whose baby was Madeline carrying at the end? I still think it's Collins. I don't know. I think that baby looks like Leo. She went to places with him. He's wearing a black base black Red Sox hat in the room. He took her to places.

Damon just couldn't have taken. He's just got Van Morris in the back, dude. We see Billy have sex with Madeline, and we do not see Damon have sex with Madeline. And she's like... And Damon goes, what about the baby? And she's like, we're good. I'm carrying Leo's baby.

Yeah. Remember you couldn't get it up there for three months? Gives her it out. Yeah. Why didn't Madeline turn in Matt Damon's character at the end of the movie? She has all the evidence. She knows he murdered him. Why not just put him away?

She is carrying his baby. That she doesn't want to father his child of her child. It's abrupt, though. She's just gone. Yeah. If Damon and Leo switch parts, is this movie better or worse? I think it's worse. I think it's worse because I don't think anybody could do that part better than DeCaprio.

I think Damon could have done that part really well. I disagree. I don't think Leo could have done the other part. I actually think Leo is riskier than Damon. I would pay to see it. Damon's basically doing Will hunting at that point. Billy Costigan's going to be Will hunting who wants to be a cop.

Same kind of DNA for that character, right? It's like, but Damon's Mike McDee. Do you know what I mean? Like, Damon does the straight guy, like thing. I mean, I know he does plays like the crazy Ripley parts, but like I just feel like he's not worm. He's not Billy. He doesn't let it go like that.

He could. He does encourage under fire. He could do it. Sure. I saw the last duel. I think it's a little weird. He lets it rip in the last duel. Real Costigan vibes.

Is Lesto good? I loved it. Oh, good. And the Digum sigel, we're all in on the Dignam. Digdom? Digim. Why is it so? I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. William Monaghan has some flourishes in his writing. I feel like the names are one of the flourishes. Do we do best quote anymore? No, but you can do it. I just wanted to give a shout out to the guy who screams. I thought I was supposed to go into shock. I'm not in shock.

And also, like, That's kind of a good fellow scene. Yeah, I like that a lot. And then just like, I fucking know you. I know your family. You make one more drug deal. I'll forget your grandmother. It was so nice to me

and I'll cut your fucking nuts off. Good high school year, but quote. What piece of memorabilia would you want? Flip phone. Oh, the Damon flip phone. I had a briefcase full of micro-processes. I had the Damon American flag hat.

Oh, yeah. That's a sweet hat. The one with the porn theater hat? Really nice hat. Haven't seen that in a store? Not since you've been like What's that? Maybe that was his ode to the combat zone.

Or the Patriot Act. Yeah, that's what he was feeling it back then. Did you see CR light up when we were talking about the combat time? Yeah, man. I like it when we ground ours pods in reality. Who won the movie? That's right.

DeCaprio. Last time we said Leo. Yeah. I agree. You agree with that one, Sean? No, it's Martin Scorsese. What are you talking about? He won Best Director at the Academy Awards.

But you yourself said this was not one of his best word. You respond to Marty? You respond to Leo in this movie. The question is who won the movie. It's not who is the, you know, who made the best movie. I think Leo wins it. I think he made a movie that made $300 million. He convinced the two biggest movie stars in America to play opposite each other.

And then he won Best Picture and Best Director at the Academy Awards, which is something he had been wanting to do and we had wanted for him for 30 years. I think it's safe to say. You know, no fucking club. That's what's safe to say. I still have Leo. Okay. I wasn't convinced.

I think he's one of the most important actors of my lifetime. I was not convinced he could play roles like this. And in two and a half hours, he convinced me that he could do anything as an actor. I don't, I just feel like Scorsese should have won for Goodfellas and it all even now. It knows a bad movie here. Okay, let's, let's, we just killed O2 or three. Let's go back for a second.

Just roll with me on this. Leo never makes this movie. Is his career different at all? I think it is. I think he needs this movie. The way we remember him is different. I think he needs this movie for the whole Leo stretch, because then if you take it out...

If he's just doing Aviator and Jay Edgar... It's like... Off and then like Never Never Land. This is a very like... This is a guy in the present day in the real streets. This is like 1992 Dream Team and he's the best guy in the Dream Team. I think he needed it.

Okay, go the other way. Scorsese. If he doesn't make this movie, But it's not who benefited the most. I'm just, we're doing a thought extra stuff. It's a great, no, it's a good case because he probably doesn't win a best picture Oscar at that point. Or best director. Right.

Even though, you know, he goes on to make Wolf and Silence and Irishmen. You know, like, I bet if he's not this successful of a director, nobody's giving him like $200 million to make a passion project. I'm saying. Leo, by this point, had been in Titanic and Catch Me If You Can, and he was already going to be nominated for Best Actor for Blood Diamond, no matter what happened, because that movie also came out this year. So if you take it off his resume, he's still Leo.

If you take the departed off the Martin Scorsese resume, he becomes Charles Barkley. He becomes the guy who never won the chip. Yeah, but it's Charles Barkley. What would Raging Bull and Taxi Driver have been of NBA seasons for Charles Barkley? It's like... It would be like the average 40 points in the 20 rebats of the game. It would be like when the Mariners won 118 games and got their asses kicked by the Yankees.

But that's making the Oscars into the World Series of the NBA finals. It's like that... Well, this is the rewatchables, Chris. What am I supposed to do? Let's ask Judge Craig. Who won the movie, Judge Craig? Oh my God, he doesn't even know who fucking Big Floyd is. I know, Big Floyd's.

I think Sean's right. Okay, thank you, Craig. We're tied to two. I see the Scorsese case. I just, I think he wins from a career standpoint from the movie, but I think Leo wins the movie. I think he's... I think they both did it.

They both did great. It's, you know, we have to choose a winner, but there's many winners when it's the party. How many, we've only done two movies twice. This movie is so good. The Redaparted. The different. is we won't do a re-departed.

Unless Riciloh does it. But we'll do the re-reheat. Who's doing the re-reheat with you guys? I don't want to do it. I want to know who you're casting for it. We want to get Michael Mann. That's when we do the re-reheat. Michael Mann joins us.

He joins me and Chris. Have you spoken with Michael? We do the re-reheat. I have not spoken with Michael Mann. Have you spoken with Michael? We do the re-reheat with Michael man. I can dream. A man can dream.

Bill's a powerful guy. A man can dream. Who can fucking manifest. The re-reheat with Michael Mann. The three heat. The three heat. The three heat. Do you remember when we did this pod with Aaron Sorkin and you started explaining the categories?

Like, imagine explaining the categories to Michael Mann. How about when Chris starts going? Ew. When I started doing that. And Michael Man's like, I'm out of here, guys. I'll see you later. Michael Mann is like, wow, this kid's got something. You're the new Seismore.

Yeah, that's true. I'm going to work in mid. Black Hat too. We're going to do the re-hatt. That's it for the re-watchables. If you want to hear the original Departed podcast we did four years ago, it's all available on Spotify. Thanks to Sean. Thanks to Chris.

Thanks to Craig Horlebeck, our producer for this podcast, and we will see you next week on the rewatchables. It will be a slice of a long movie. Just telling you.