The Rewatchables - ‘The Sure Thing’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: December 18, 2025

Bill and Chris honor Rob Reiner by revisiting one of their favorite ’80s movies, ‘The Sure Thing,’ starring John Cusack and Daphne Zuniga and directed by Rob Reiner. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, and Eduardo Ocampo A State Farm agent can help you choose the coverage you need. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.® Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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where you can find the watch with Chris Ryan. Yeah. I have something disturbing to tell you. I watched the watch in bed last night. The top 10 shows? I did. I watched like the first 40 minutes. I was lying in bed.

My wife was playing Blockblast. Just enjoying the chemistry of you and Andy Greenball. I'll tell you, a lot of foreplay before you got to the actual top 10. Well, it's the end of the year. We like to tease people out. A lot of fluff at the top. Okay. I might have been on the side going, come on, guys.

Let's get to the list. They put timestamps in these things for a reason. It's an honorable mention. Let's bring it up. Let's go. Let's go. Let's get to a show. Can I give you some constructive feedback?

At some point, yeah, sure. I did enjoy the Kaya jokes. It was good that you brought her in. But great chemistry. Glad to see you guys still cranking it all these years later. We owe it all to you. Craig Krollback, end of the fantasy football season. Yeah, I'm knocked out of the Ringer League,

kind of devastated. Chris Ryan's still alive. You're in the toilet pole playoffs, though. Yeah, me and Sean. You guys have a lot of complaints about this league. I thought we've handled it well. I think the league worked out great. I think the league was great, and I don't know who to report between Craig and Sean. So, Craig, if you lose, what do you? Mine's easy. No caffeine for a week. If Sean loses, he has to wear a headband on an episode of the big picture and not address it.

And with a director interview, right? We wanted to be with the director. That was not stipulated. I really want him to have to wear, like, a headband while he's talking to Park Channel War. Close out. All right. Well, we don't normally do two rewatchables in a week, but we wanted to do a very special one this week. So we're going to do the short thing. And it's next. This episode of the rewatchables is presented by State Farm. Whether you're debating watching that award-winning sports drama or re-watching your comfort-buddy comedy movie for the 10th time, choices are important. When it comes to choosing coverage, a State Farm agent can help you find options that are right for you. Go online at StateFarm.com or use the award-winning app to get help from one of their local agents like a good neighbor. State Farm is there. All right, I wish these were under better circumstances here.

Yeah. The short thing a movie we've been waiting to do for a long, long time, that has not been available on streaming, but it was available on YouTube. Yes. And we didn't want to tell people that it was available on YouTube because I was worried it was going to get pulled down, and we needed time to both watch it. Is this the second time we've done a movie that is actually not on streaming or on BOD? I think it might be the third.

What was the one we just did? Well, it'll pump up the volume this and was there a third one? Well, maybe this will bring it back. Okay. I guess, although re-watching it, the soundtrack's pretty popping. That's why I was wondering why it's, if that's one of the reasons why it's not on streaming. But Rob Reiner, this was the second movie he directed and was tragically murdered on Sunday by his son. It looks like allegedly, but it seems like it was his son. But one of the worst Hollywood stories in a while, he was a beloved guy.

You talked about him in your pod. I talked about him on top of my pod on Sunday. And we had done six rewatchables movies with him. We had not done this one, but we wanted to do a Reiner movie. So we threw this together. I talked, the thing I said about him on Sunday was that he had these three different careers that were all pretty cool in their own ways, right? He's like this supporting actor on probably the second most famous 70s sitcom we had other than Mesh. Yeah. He's the son of Carl Reiner.

And even that, and he could have just been an actor for 50 years. That would have been a cool career and everybody liked him. Then he becomes his director and has put together one of the best 15-year runs that he directors ever had. Then he also on the side has this whole Castle Rock thing with this company that he creates, independent, outside the studio infrastructure. And he starts, you know, basically supporting voices that he cares about and making bets on young talent because he knows young talent, which is the same thing he had in his movies. That ends up funding Seinfeld, which is the most successful backing, I think, in the history of anything. And was a beloved guy out here in Hollywood.

So we felt like, of all the directors, this is the seventh one, I think, puts him in third place. Yeah. There's only a couple directors where we're like, emergency pod, we got to do one. This is one of them. Yeah,

this is five. And he has five or six in a row to start off his career that are locks for any, any, like, I would rewatchable any of those with you. I, I thought it was really helpful to try to organize my thoughts about Reiner through the lens of this movie,

which is, it's nice, because like if you're trying to summarize that guy's entire contribution to entertainment and to like American cultural life, it's hard. But if you can just look at something as simple as a screwball comedy like this, you can really see a lot of his specific skills and talents and gifts come through. Yeah, one of those gifts, which he, you know, he also applied with Seinfeld and some of the movies and TV shows they did, which is great eye for talent, great eye for somebody's moment in their career, just seeing something either potential that

hadn't been realized or knowing the impact that they already had, which is a lot of Few Good Men's a good example of that, right? He catches cruise at his apex. Yeah. He figures out that this is the perfect Nicholson part, convincing them to do that, and then populates that movie with all of these really good younger actors or actors on the rise like Kevin Bacon or semi-established.

And you see all the clips that have been running, like, since his passing, since his death on Sunday, of people having these remembrances, and it's like Kevin Bacon in tears talking about how, like, he needed a job. And, like, Reiner came through and got, like, Noah Wiley, just being like, I'm on that shoot for like a week or two.

And he basically makes me feel like I'm the most important person on that set. So it's just everybody seems to have this incredible, like, connection to him. Yeah, Spinal Tap. I mean, one of the things when you write down all the movies that he did and they're like Best Blank, Spinal Tap, which is the best music comedy ever made, and he taps in with these three guys who, you know, had to had, we're known in comedy circles. but Christopher Gast wasn't really

Christopher Guest yet. Shears and that. McKeon, he was known from Laverna Shirley basically but he gets in with those guys early and it ends up being what it is. Princess Bride, he's in with Goldman at this point. He identifies Robin Wright.

All the people he cast and that, that ends up being in the running for best non-animated fairytale movie probably ever. It's one of the first ones. It might be the best. Who's it competing against? That's also one of the most beloved movie across generations. Yeah.

How many movies are loved equally by seven-year-olds and 70-year-olds? And how many movies? It doesn't even matter when it came out? Yeah. It's like that movie. I mean, Craig, when did you see that movie? As a kid, I've seen it a ton of times.

Yeah. It was one of those, there's certain movies that it just, it kind of came out in the 80s. You don't even remember when, and it just keeps going. American president, we did that in the rewatchables, too.

In the Running for Best President movie. It's, for me, it's that and Dave in the, finals and I'd really have to have to target that but that one he captures gets douglas right at the tail end of his apex puts a net bending in there whole thing few good men best court room movie probably the best modern court movie there's some older ones that would have a case but we've done that one twice misery might be the best stephen king movie it might be it's up there Strawshank.

Yeah. Also, might be the best scary actress movie. Yeah. Does that with Goldman. Stand by me. Probably the best preteen

best friend's movie. Another king adaptation. Yeah. Yeah. One of the best coming of age movies ever made. Ever. When Harry Met Sally, not only in the running

for best romcom ever, but basically created the rom-com, the modern version of it in 1989. It's from that moment on, every movie is chasing. Let's try to pull this off like when I got Matt's out. And in that one, he identifies as Billy Crystal, Meg Ryan, not only the relationship, but both of them. Nobody thought Billy Crystal was going to be in a movie like that.

Nobody thought Meg Ryan could play that character, basically a Diane Keene thing. So he nails both of those. Stand by Me. He nails the River Phoenix, the way he cast that movie. You go on through and it's just, he's had an eye. And Sure Thing is maybe the ultimate example of that, because, you know, Because he's in on this Cusack 17. The whole story of this where they have to,

he has to file for emancipation. And Roger Burvom has to adopt him. The producer has to legally adopt him. And he's like, I need this kid in the movie. And Cusack's still going. Let's talk a little bit if you can about, like what are some of the things

across those movies that jump out? Because the thing that hit me watching Sure Thing again is that he's able to take funny scenarios and make them feel very serious or very serious scenarios and see the humor in them. And that happens, both of those things happen

in the sure thing, right? Like, he's able to put these kids in such dire straits on this road trip and see the hilarity in it, but also their desperation. And it's like the same thing for Stand By Me. There's absolutely heartbreaking moments in Stand By Me,

and then he'll follow it up with a joke to kind of even the scales of the dramatic experience or the film-going experience. And that's why I think we go back to these movies so many times is because he was able to see the totality of like a human experience.

Yeah. In any given scene and in any given story. And it's like even something that could have just been a super horny, forgettable 80s comedy that like you and I would be like, oh, you know what's really good is that? This is actually like a lost classic in a lot of ways. No question. I think a couple things.

He was really good at pulling out exactly what you should like about somebody. Yeah. You know, like Billy Crystal, that's the best he's ever been in a movie when Harry met Sally. But Robin Wright is like just, perfect in Princess Brad. In this movie, like, it's the most I've ever

like QSack in a movie. And to me, like QSack in this movie, I had season tickets for the next 12 years just because of this movie. I loved him in this movie. Doing this and high fidelity in such close succession makes me realize I think I've underrated

the role that John QSack played in like my imagination over the over my entire life. Like when you think about this, one crazy summer, uh, better off dead, say anything. Say anything.

And then on... Eight Men Out? Yeah, all the way up through High Fidelity. I'm like, yeah, from like 10 to 30, this guy was basically like a sort of North Star in my life. Yeah.

And Misery is another one where Kathy Bates, who we didn't really have a history with, and she just absolutely crushes it and is awesome. But that's weirdly a relationship movie. It's her relationship with this writer that she really, really loves

and she becomes obsessed with. But it's a lot of scenes where it's just the two of them. You can take a lot of the movies that he's made, they could probably be a play. How many times could you simulate the casting and filming

and entire thing of stand by me and not get River Phoenix, Woolwiton, Jerry O'Connell, Corey Feldman, and that exact points in their lives and like the, like, you know, basically contrasting those performances against one other. It's like the perfect group of kid friends at that age.

Yeah. Like I think in a way that transcends anything like Spielberg ever did in that way. Yeah, I mean, he had so many lifelong friends and a lot of them poured out this week with just really being upset. Heartbreaking. Heartbroken.

How it played out. But I think one of the things, I know Goldman loved him. This was only his favorite people ever worked with. They did a lot of stuff together. But that was the theme over and over again. Like, once you did something with him,

you were like a friend for life. And Hollywood's not really that way. This guy was friends with every type of comedian and actor that we had and seemed like he kept the relationships and got the best out of them. But I think when I think about the movies that he made, the relationships in the movie are why they work. And I think you have to have a director that understands like a set, how to put people together, how to mesh two characters that might make sense on screen

and actually have a relationship and then foster that on the set. I just don't think a lot of people can do it. And ultimately, the rewatchability of his movies comes down to you just like hanging out with characters. Yeah, I mean, there's a really good making of the sure thing that's on YouTube that you can watch along with this movie. and he talks about, he just reads a script, figures out who he is in the movie.

Yeah. And then starts thinking about things from that perspective of, okay, if I'm Gibb in the short thing, or if I'm Kathy, even in a few good men, like, how would I go about and how would I perceive these different situations? And he's just really, really good.

I mean, he has a quote in this making of that he says, the emotional differences create the obstacles. You don't create the obstacles ahead of time. And so he just finds these people who are just dissimilar enough to create tension, but you know going into it,

like they're going to figure it out by the end of the two hours, and there's something deeply satisfying about that. Yeah, and he also is really good at long scenes, which I think is a lost art, you know, when we do most rewatchable scene, but you think of some of the great scenes that his movies have had,

like stand by me, the story about the fat kid thrown up. Yeah. You know, and him, I forget the Will Wheaton's character's name, but him telling the story to his buddies. Oh, yeah, yeah. And just the way that plays out.

It's like an eight-minute scene. There's a couple unsure thing like that, too, or just these long, long pieces. And then he really would know how to nail a moment. Like, I like, not to step on rewatchable, but I just love the ending in this movie so much with the professor reading the story. Yeah.

It's so fucking good. And I'm so glad we're doing this because I think this is one of the best 80s movies. I really do. Like, I'm not talking about like teen, the high school college. I have a hottest take for that later, but it's a road trip movie. It's a two opposites rom-com. It's a horny teenagers trying to get late 80s movie.

It's weirdly kind of a fun college movie. And it all happens in an hour, 31 minutes or something. Yeah, I mean, it's essentially coming in the aftermath of risky business and definitely has some elements of risky business in it. Yeah. is a much more grounded, maybe less overly stylized and much more like kind of human

regular everyday story. I mean, you could see this happening to yourself at any point up until the adventure of the internet pretty much. What's the day? We usually do Craig's take at the end. We're doing it early because he'd never seen this movie before.

And I knew, out of anyone we'd ever done, I knew you would love it. And we have talked about doing this movie for years because I can't believe it's not streaming. it's not streaming because of the soundtrack, but what'd you think? Embarrassed to say I'd never even heard of this movie. And I absolutely loved it.

This will immediately go on my like favorites of the year for the rewatchables. Oh. I adored it. It's a 10 out of 10, 5 out of 5, whatever letterbox score you want to give it. You only need, first of all, you only need 90 minutes if you're doing it right. Like you can do it right in 90 minutes if, uh, if you have it all, all pieced together. Cusack, I totally agree the most likable he's ever been. I've never even really felt that connected to Cue.

Cusack's characters, and I thought this was his best one. I can't believe he was like 16, 17. 17, yeah. When they filmed it. Chris and I were talking before that there is a little bit of like a before sunrise element to this movie where it's a lot of these long, slow moments between these two characters, and it's just one shot of them interacting, and there's no cuts between them, and you just fully buy into their evolution and their connection by the end of the

movie. I think it's incredibly funny and really well written, really heartfelt, like across the board, It's just, I loved it. When you're a kid, when you're young, you watch this movie, whenever I saw it first on like VHS in the 80s or whatever, you just take Gibb at face value and you're like, oh, this guy's really funny and he's got like, there's all these different voices and has like all this energy.

And then when you watch it now, you're like, oh, he's, he doesn't know who he is. Yeah. And so he's putting on all these airs and he's doing all these different characters basically within the movie. And it's such a subtle thing to notice over the years. Craig, you mentioned link later movies. Castle Rock was the production company

on before sunrise and before sunset, right? Yeah, and this feels like it could have been easily a link later movie. Yes. I found some list a couple months ago that just like I had it from a notebook in college where I just wrote down my favorite movies of all time. This was like in 1991.

And this was like number seven. It really was. I love this movie. I watched it every time it was on. Yeah. And for whatever reason, the last 15 years or so it died. And I do think it's one of those movies that, like, if Amazon got it or Netflix got it, it would immediately be like number one, number two, or number three in the trending for three weeks

because it's so much fucking fun to watch. It's also crazy that for Cusack, he's probably not in it because he thought he was going to be in the breakfast club. Oh, yeah. And he was cast as John Bender. And then they actually brought him to the, and I don't know what the timing was. whether it would have overlap with this, but he shows up

for breakfast club and they're like, oh, he's all wrong. And they dump him. They fired him. Yeah. Yeah.

So they brought in Judd Nelson. So he's at a point in his career where, first of all, Reiner would have meet with him

because he was too young for the party. He's supposed to be in college. He'd only been in, like, class. He was in 16 canals. He's in the background. You could barely see him.

And they end up filming from March, April, 1984. He's emancipated. And you watched this, and you would have thought he would have been in like eight movies.

It's basically the first time he's ever been in a movie. He's fucking home run. Almost every shot of the movie. He's so good. He's doing different characters and just carrying everything. I wrote down, I was trying to think of the most memorable young actor 80s movies performances. And I think it's this. I think it's Broderick and Ferris Bueher.

And weirdly, I think it's Judd Nelson and Breakfast Club. Sure. And I think those are the three. for when you watch a movie, first of all, they just kind of own the movie. But then when you saw it when it happened, you're like,

that guy's going to go on and win nine Oscars. And Slater and pump up the volume, which is later, is another one? Is there anyone, who am I missing? Sean Penn and Taps.

Oh, that's a good one. Because when you watch that, you're like, holy shit. I was thinking more like comedies where it was like, wow, this guy's killing it in this. Yeah, there's some other ones like Timothy Hutton,

like we could go through. Cruise and risky business, I guess is a really good one. But definitely a moment where you're like, oh, this guy's going to be in my life. Cruising and Risky Business is a good one. And then Daphne Zaniga, who's in NIST and Vision Quest same year,

ends up in space balls. Everybody liked her. And just another one of those things where not enough good parts, probably got market corrected a couple of times. And it ends up on Melrose Place is Joe, the rebellious photographer who ends up getting involved with Jake.

It's my favorite kind of photographer. And ends up in a little love triangle with Jake and Amanda in season two. And then eventually you get, It's impregnated by somebody who tries to kill her at our high school reunion. What season is that happened? That's probably season three. And then her baby gets kidnapped by the dead guy's parents.

And she had quite a run. Did she die in the show? No, she escaped with the baby. After the in-laws tried to kidnap the baby. She decided it was time to leave Melrose Place. But I was liked her. And this part is a great part. It's, oh, I know this person.

Yes. Really uptight. kind of cool, pretty. You could tell there's a fun person in there somewhere, but she's like, this is going to be my life. I knew these girls in college, as did you. Both Daphnees Niga and Cusack talk about their similarities to the characters.

And they were like, Reiner clearly just like, she was like, I am way more like Allison than I was way more like Allison than I was comfortable admitting. And Reiner obviously just got to know these people and recognized who they were and were like, let's bring this part out of you. He worked a lot on the script. I think the movie has so many connections

to classic Hollywood screwball comedies. Like, it happened one night. Yeah. And that's one of the really, you know, like among the hundred awful things about what's happened here. One of the sad things is the amount of institutional knowledge that goes with Rob Reiner.

Yeah. You know, because, like, obviously going back, not only through his television career, but his father's huge career in Hollywood. And this ability to kind of make connections between the past and the present in your work and to show people like, you know, there's only someone.

stories, right? Like, we're just telling them in different ways with different references and with different, you know, updated characters. But, like, opposites attract on the road. Make two of those a year. It's all you need. Like, they're classics for a reason. You just have to modernize them and make them work.

It's not that hard. And he kind of sees, like, he's, you know, the fan of Preston Sturgis, a fan of Frank Capra, wants to, like, kind of make something like this. He gets, gets this gig before spinal tap even comes out. Yeah. When you think about how different this is to spinal tap, Those were his first two movies. That's amazing.

As somebody who was a kid, as his career, kind of arced up, he was meathead. It was hard for him to believe that he was even going to direct a movie. And did you think about him as Carl Reiner's son necessarily? No, I only knew him as Meathead. And it was like, Meathead's going to be director? Like, you just knew him as Meathead. How else was I going to know him? And also, like, 35 million people watched that show every week.

Yeah. And he was like the, you know, that show was like, I would love to be in a room with kids in college watching like season one of our, all in the family just to see the reactions. But he was like the hippie, you know, Vietnam protester kind of son-in-law with like this reprehensible but lovable father-in-law who would just insult everybody. And he would just kind of battle with him. And that's kind of who he became. And he was smart enough. He left the show because he was like, I don't want to be meathead. Sure.

I think there's probably more here. But yeah, he didn't shed meathead until this movie. Okay. And after this movie, it was like, oh, Rob Reiner, he's good at this. And then, you know, stand by me that then he was cemented. But this was a big movie. Like, this was a really important high school college movie for everyone in my generation. Yeah.

It was right. It was in there. It was one of the OGs. It was with Ferris Buehler. It was with Breakfast Club. It was a lot. Corrata Kid, Team Wolf, all of those. It was right there.

Of the QZAC movies from this era, I think I watch, I mean, before say anything came out, I think I think I probably, watch One Crazy Summer or more. But that's just like a higher joke volume. So when I was a kid, that was like, just watching like something that had animation and had like all these different like skits within the movie. That was a Zag movie too where some people are like, you know what's fucking awesome?

One Crazy Summer. This, I watched this a bunch of time. The soundtrack's great. The two of them are awesome together. Zaniga and Cusk. But then you have young Anthony Edwards with hair. Yeah. Yeah.

What a run for him, Revenge of the Nerds and this. And Top Gun. Yeah. Not to step on it, but he was up for Gibb. Right. You have young Nicolette Sheridan. Fantastic. Just throwing her fastball.

Shows up 20 years later in Desperate Housewives? Is that the sure thing, woman? Yeah. Yeah. I've thought about her character. I'm saving for later. Great. Tim Robbins.

Yep. Singing show tunes in the car. One of what would be many. collaborations with Kuzak. Yeah. Really good cast. A lot of that guys in this movie.

Written by Jonathan Roberts and Stephen O'Bloom. Congratulations, guys. You did great. 4.5 million dollar budget made $18.1 million. It's not bad for 1985. Roger Ebert, three and a half stars. Fucking loved it.

Fucking killed it. I watched Siskel and Ebert talking about this today. They were like over the moon for it. Well, this is coming off. We should have mentioned this earlier, but this is a five-year run of horny teenagers trying to get laid movies.

Yeah. The poster of this, the premise of it makes it seem like, oh, we're doing this again. And it's like, no, we're actually not doing this again. Stick with us. So I think those guys were so grateful somebody put some actual thought. And I think, I don't even think this is the hottest take. I think you could argue that this ended the Porky's era. Like this actual, this was the movie that was like, we're done now. Oh, like, we've now elevated beyond this. We're going to move this way now, guys. And we're going to put some more thought into this and, you know. Because this movie sells sex. It doesn't give you any. I mean, yeah, I mean, there's one sort of comic sex scene in this movie, and other than that, it's pretty chaste. And, like, the marketing and the poster makes you think this is much more of a raunchy teen sex comedy, and it's really not.

It's closer to, like, if the road trip scene from when Harry Met Sally was, like, the whole movie with two 18-year-olds. Yeah. There is another movie a year before that Coppillman's been bad dreamy to do on rewatchables forever, The Flamingo Kid. Sure. That's different than this movie, but also it was, like, kind of that elevated. You think it's one thing, but it's actually. a way better version of it.

Ebert said, The love story is one of Hollywood's missing genres. The movie industry seems better at teenage movies like Porky's with its sleazy shower scenes than with screenplays that involve any sort of thought about the love lives of its characters.

That's by the sure thing is a small miracle. The film is so revolutionary and believes sex should be accompanied by respect and love, exclamation point. Yeah. Raj! Raj just wanted us to work on our relationships

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Rod Stewart. Yes. You like that song? Yeah. I hear it. His disco-e funk era is not my favorite Rod Stewart, but it's a cool song. If I'd put that on at a holiday party when people thought that was weird. Like, hey, guys, there's Rod Stewart's infatuation. I love that.

You should have just played the sure thing soundtrack for the party. It's a great opening credits. Talk about a way to hook you into the movie. Like, you're locked in. Yeah. She's a great job. The opening credits is a lost art in movies now. We don't do that anymore.

Yeah. I mean, like a lot of the big blockbusters now, I feel like pretty much skipped the opening And get right into like a big action. There's no vibe setting, which is what this really does. The next rewatchable's movie we're going to do, which I'm not going to spoil, has opening credits. Yeah, that's true. It was noticeable.

It's like, oh, guys. Old school. Look at this. Going back to the well. Most of we watchable scene, the first classroom scene that sets up Gibb as our carefree, lovable kind of fuck up. I hope he can pull off just everything in life. And then Allison is the intense overachiever.

some good back and forth with them. I like a good football scene in these 80s, 90s movies too. If they wanted to do the first hour and a half of this movie being just football on the quad, I would have taken it. This is such a funny fucking scene.

Yeah. From like... Him announcing it. Yeah, the announcing that's going on, he also keeps getting... He's like Ed Reed. I know. He keeps getting interception.

He's not good athlete. Yeah, pretty good. He's tall. Yeah. Yeah. I love this scene. And I love the moment where he, like, runs by Allison

and her friend and never like says hi but just keeps his Pat Summerall announcing going and then like it's just kind of looking at her and she's kind of looking. It's just such a great little moment and they don't have any real interaction until he goes and stalks her down to by the pool. Craig, how much two-on-two football have you played in your life?

Tons. It's on the beach. It's a big movie trope. Yeah. Movies love the two-on-two flag football. And then what is it like? They were playing 5-1,000 for Blitz. Yeah. Yeah. Did it stop and go? That's always a good one. So that's the best route. That's the Kevin Petulow right there.

You got to sell the pump fake, though. Right, true. I knew nothing as an only child. So basically anything I knew from colleges were from going to visit my uncle Don and my aunt Louise in college or movies. And I just thought movies were like,

I thought college was like movies like this where you went to your buddy's room and he had 10,000 beer bottles all stacked up. Is it not like that? And people play football. No, in my head I was like, this is college. But I think, I thought when they're like, it's Friday night.

The guy has a Miller Highland. A guy opening the window going, it's Friday night! You want to do The Most Givable moment. I don't know how that. Friday beers, get on that right now because that's an iconic moment of that. Yeah. That guy's also like 28, but I love that. Yeah, I love that.

And then immediately, everybody is like playing soccer in the hall and exchanging kegs. Yeah. The swimming pool scene's funny. That's where you're like, oh, Cusack's just going to go for it in this whole movie. Yeah. Gib and Allison getting kicked out of Gary Cooper's car played by Tim Robbins which includes show tunes

shotguning a beer and eating cheeseballs I think which is the Big Cooner Burger Ware for best use of food or drink Allison flashing a car he'll turn the tables and then Tim Robbins is escaping with a lock the doors when that woman screams

she is so funny his wife locked the door and she's like ah possible Great Shot Gordo award here they're outside, the car's gone in Kusack City on the ground with the camera and the road behind them and Daphne's Zanaga's character is behind them.

It's a good one. Gibb foiling the hitchhiker, possible rapist where he does that. I mean, that could be some crazy slime ball. Like a shit brain! He's really funny in that. He did it just for pleasure.

The scene just starts pouring rain on them. Yeah. And she remembers, She has a credit card but can only use it for emergencies. I hope one comes up. Maybe one will come up. I'm a big fan of these scenes of the rom-com. The accidental cuddle scene?

Yes. Always works. Gibb wakes up cuddling Allison. Oh, sorry, sorry. No, it was all right. Like at that point, it's like, come on, Gibb. She's sending you the official signs now. I mean, she's like, you can sleep in the bed with me.

Yeah. Yeah. Come on, Gibb. They get a ride, and he tells the trucker his whole short thing story, which of course she wakes up for. Two more scenes. The Lance's Hollywood The Tahiti Frat. His Hawaiian 80s party.

Just sounded amazing. The Punch Bowl insults were funny. And then the last one, which is my pick, the professor reading the short thing essay. Yes. Does God exist? Who invented liquid soap and why? And then the answer was no.

That seems awesome. Yes. You're like, why do they keep going to this professor? Like, what's going to be the off with her and it really Vivica Lindforz is that who plays her? Yeah, she's some old school. She's old school Hollywood actress, yeah. Yeah.

I just want to shout out an honorable mention rewatchable scene, the dive bar scene. Oh, yeah. I know. I love that scene. But the guy being like, I had fraud food today.

I shouldn't have done it. You know, like, and it's just like those three guys sitting at the bar and being like, we're pretty good looking, you know? I love that. But we were better at the 80s and 90s,

with just having random dive bar scenes with weird characters. But it's also like that scene doesn't actually have like a purpose other than this is maybe where he's going to wind up if he doesn't get his shit together,

I guess. It's the only scene that can be cut and it might be my favorite scene in the movie. The waitress who keeps coming back and he just keeps giving her like random facts and she's just like cool.

That's one of my two flexes are that two I wrote down in this scene is the Rick Dalton Award for the best fucking acting I've ever seen in my life. The fat drunk guy at the bar I think is some of the best drunk acting I've ever seen. I was like, is this Brando in makeup or something?

He is remarkably good. I looked him up. His name is George Mamoli. He actually died in 1985. Oh, George. He's been in a bunch of other movies. He had an accident on set. He was supposed to be in taxi driver.

Scorsese in an interview in 2002 said he died because of that injury on set. Oh. But I know. It's crazy. Craig's like really bringing it today. I know. I honestly loved it. I feel like I've already seen the movie 10 times, even though I've watched it once.

I'm going to say, fuck it. I'm going to go with the dive bar. Even though Allison's not in it. That's my most rewatch. scene. Have you ever had a professor who could read anything that well in front of a class? I was going to bring up creative writing workshops a little bit later, but we can... I've never had... I've had some pretty magnetic professors, but they were more like monologuing, doing their lectures. The creative writing workshops are a real crapshoot.

My eighth grade English teacher, Wally Ramsey, father of my buddy Gus, he would read essay sometime and it was really good at it. That's the only one I remember. She's going first pass on that essay is just nailing it. It's amazing. Really, really crushing it. Also, she does the thing that I don't think teachers do anymore where she grades people out loud in front of everyone. Yeah, now that would cause an absolute right. She's like, Allison, I liked it, but open up a little bit more.

Yeah. B plus. That's how it goes to the next person. That's how they got Lydia Tar, you know? I should do that at the end of the year with the ringer staff. On Mike, review every podcast of the company. Yeah, I thought you had a great year. To be fair, you opened this podcast, doing that to me.

A little bit of fluff in the beginning, CR. But then you got to where you needed to go. What's the most 1985 thing about this movie? Writing detailed letters to your friends from high school? Yeah. Yes. Dear Sean, I'm having a great time in school. I saw one battle after another.

I thought it was awesome. I know you must have loved it. And then you just send it and not here for three days. Yeah. We really did do that. I would send letters to my friends. I would say that my emails to friends were still pretty long until I got G-Chat in like 0-2. And then it just turned into like everything was one sentence.

But like up until like when you first had to like go to the library to log into your email, I would still be like, well, I'm only coming here like twice a week. So I'm writing a long email. We would have the mailbox in college. It was like genuinely exciting to go to the mailbox every day and see if you got a letter from somebody. It's really strange. Sounds like a better time.

I like the line from Lance, I'm talking to you cordless. Yeah. That's pretty 1985. More in 1985. Writing funny sex story letters to Pennhouse. Yes. Everyone tried this in the 80s.

I did not. I'm talking to you cordless. Everyone. Everyone. Trust me. I'm talking to you cordless I had and then Allison had an amazing Culture Club poster in your room.

She had the Paul Newman one in Culture Club, right? The Culture Club poster probably had a five-month shelf life. By 1986, you're not having that poster. No, you've moved on to somebody else. Did you have any other ones? I don't know if this is still a thing, but the ride bulletin board? So I wondered about that. I wondered if they still must have that though, right?

Or maybe it's now a message board? I just feel like it's either a message board or it's just like, yeah, my buddy is driving back to Atlanta so I'm going to get a ride with him or something. You know, like, it's the idea of just being like, I guess I'll get in this car for three days with this person who's the only thing I know about them is that they put an index card up on a bulletin board.

It seems highly unlikely. I had this in one stage is the worst, but getting a ride with them, but then also sharing a hotel with two double beds with strangers. I got to admit though. I don't think that happens in 25. No, but I will say some of the best road trips I've ever had

have been like random going back to going back home for Thanksgiving with a couple of like like Andy and I used to go back to Philly with Thanksgiving and he would take a bunch of his buddies from Brown University with him so I would drive some people with me and would always be the best like those those like we're out of school for a week let's go is the best feeling what saves the best the soundtrack which I think is the reason this movie is not streaming includes Rod Stewart infatuation Huey Lewis Harder Rock and Roll John Waits crying over you which I forgot how much I loved. Yeah. Hearting today. Sing it. Crying over you. He had a couple of bangers, wait. He really did.

Eagle's heartbreak tonight. The cars you might think, Wangchung Dance All Days, Lights Out by Peter Wolf, and then Penny Lover by Lionel Richie. Yeah. Which is maybe his best song. I think that's like a Zack. I don't know if I believe it.

But I think you could say it's his best constructed song. Better than smells like teen spirit? Well, I can't wait to talk about that. Morwood's age the best. I mentioned how the movie made college seem just so great. It's like an awesome place.

I would say I couldn't decide whether to put it in best or worst. But the scene of Anthony Edwards calling John Cusack from with pepper dine or UCLA. He's in UCLA, but it seems like he's at Pepperdine because he's got the...

No, he said he was at his buddy's Malibu. Oh, that's right. He's at his buddies Malibu place. And, like, there's just, like, 14 girls drinking Diet Coke in the pool. It's the Playboy Mansion, basically. Yeah. And he's just like...

Were you doing that at San Diego? That's a little bit of that. On your buddies? It wasn't not like that in. Yeah. I'm talking to you, cordless. That is one of, like, the hardest things to get your head around, though.

Like, when you've gone to... If you went to college in the Northeast, and then you hear about what college was like for people who went to school and, Southern California. You're just like, God damn it. What was I thinking?

Why did I think nine months of dark, cold weather would be a good idea? There's a couple schools out here that are like that. Like the UCSB was like the stealth, like fight club. The student body didn't even talk about it. They didn't want to know us to know. Now everyone knows, but I think that they had it like hidden for a while. Just like how great it was? Yeah, how great it is to go to school in Santa Barbara and just have all these options.

And I love this is a huge party town. They're like legendary. for Halloween there. It's insane. But San Diego's another one. Just a good place to go to college. A lot of stuff coming on. I like the line, how would you like to have a sexual encounter so intense

it could change your political views? It's just good writing. What's age the best? Professors with cool accents, reading essays in class. I had this in college, Professor Vanichelli, RIP. Snowy College campuses, fun.

I want to shout out for what's age the best, the stuffy boyfriend, that she had. In two minutes, he talks about his flannel sheets that he just put on. He has choices of tea.

He cleared out her draw for her for the week and then he's a big gin rummy guy offering to give her extra points. They just nailed everything with that team. And every time she's just like, let's go to Disneyland. He's like, well, Disneyland is for children.

For children, yeah. The whole concept of giving somebody a real name like Nick, Nick's your buddy. Nick's a guy you can trust. Nick will let you puke in your car. Do you think Nick's the right name for that? In 1985, probably.

I feel like that's Ben. That was one of the reasons I named my son Ben. I feel like Ben's are just really reliable. When does it Ben ever let you down? And then Lance's room, which not only had the 100 different beer bottles, but had the 1984 tennis poster of the girl's ass where she's putting the ball in

and there's an ass cheek, which was there in the 80s. for a while, but I think people realized eventually, like, this isn't the greatest way to have the absence. I did have for what's age the worst, what Lance's room probably smelled like. Because, you know, he's not thoroughly washing those beer bottles out. So it probably just smells like sweat,

old laundry, and skunked beer. And he's like, this is the love palace. This is where I take all the chicks. You have any other what's age the best? No, I mean, just the vision of 1980s college life has really aged the best between the classes. The fashions, I love the way Allison has divided her day, where she's like, you know, 6 o'clock calculus, 645 phone call, you know, like.

Yeah. And just like the Friday night partying and stuff like that. That was my favorite. Also, what's age the best is, or actually, you know, you could say it's the worst, but was it easier back then when somebody would just be like, hey, here's a picture of a girl. I think you might like, and that was the extent of the knowledge that you had and you had to actually like go meet that person.

Yeah. Go on cross country. We should mention what's age the best young QSack, just knowing that you're going to spend the next 40 years of this guy. I have a special Amanda Dobbins Award for the best piece of real estate. The three-story Malibu House and Gibbs' Dreams? Yes. Great house.

That's like a $100 million house now. Oh, it's insane. Three stories right on the beach. It's like a staircase. I wonder where they shot that. Do you think that was in Malibu? Do you think that was in Marlborough? I think it was way down in Malibu closer to like when it,

when it gets a little barren. Great Chat Gorder Award. Can we just say, the man who shot this film shot there will be blood. That is fucking nuts. And another hallmark of Robbrener movies,

he works with incredible people. He picks like the best people to shoot and cut and write his movies. And Robert Ellswitt was the DOP on this. I wouldn't know that if you put two frames

next to each other, but it is an indication of his eye for talent. Yeah, I mean, that was like Goldman's favorite guy to do stuff with. Yeah. And Goldman, when he started working with him, Goldman and Robert Town were the two best screenwriters, right? Ryaners like, come on. And Goldman was going through, I think, a little bit of a tough time.

Like writers block back issues and the Rainer stuff really like reimbigured. Like Tracy McGrady. Yeah, a little bit. Like Tracy, we had to go on the Rockets. Great Shot Gordo, I was going to say the wallet being in the bed is so well done. Yes. When it's that shot of them looking, them looking, they're looking around, and then they leave and it just comes down. and you just see the wallet and all the stuff is really good.

What do you have? I just had the dolly shot of Gibb walking up and down the pool, yelling at her. Oh, yeah. It's just like right on the edge of absurd. Yeah. And he jumps in the pool. And it's just like such a great, like, piece of visual, a visual joke. Kid Cutty pursued a happiness where best needle drop.

It could be infatuation up in credits. But I think Penny Lover drops at a really nice time for the slow dance. I thought you might think when you walk into the frat party was like, That's what I want to hear if I was walking into a Tahitian-themed frat party. That's good. CR's choice for a flex category. What do you got? Book about medals award for belatedly best quote or exchange is when Cusack says that he plays football for grambling.

And his friend is like, I thought it, I thought grambling was all black. And Cusac just goes so wet. It's such a random line. He's like, it's nine interceptions on this season for grambling. And he's like, I thought grambling was all black. that's a good one Butch's girlfriend award for weak link of the film

they just don't do a good enough job with the Sheridan character the shirt thing like in a feeling even in the moment not feeling great for her but then the years later she's just I don't know

I just feel bad for her I wish she had been like 10% more like kind of on it so neither no you think it's perfect no no no I think it's the only glaring issue with this movie is that he's getting this gorgeous one woman at UCLA is just roaming around a frat party with no one near her nothing to do she's literally getting pimped out by anthony edwards he's just like

come here and she's ready for it sure i and then for the next hour and a half i'll just follow john cusack around and hope he talks to me no other man is speaking with me i have nothing else to do yeah she's like the hottest woman in l.a and no no one's getting near don simpson's stepson is probably there or whatever yeah she would be hounded she'd have been hounded some guy in the east coast but this was an 80s trope where either was that or was Lori Loflin and secret admirer with nobody likes her and she's like smoking hot.

The casting or the presentation of the two other people in these people's lives. So Jason, the boyfriend at UCLA and Nicolette Sheridan, it's like I could stand for them to be a little bit more relatable or human, but like I understand

why you have to make them caricatures. Yeah, they're like props. Yeah. Yeah. What's age the worst? Qusack tries a ballet girl accident at one point, which was very in vogue in 85, but now is like, somebody dead now, I don't know if anyone's getting the joke.

Or you think they were doing like California occasion. What was that? The California incident. Yeah. I have a good, what's age or worse, though. And this is a theme for 80s movies. 80s teens being really fascinated by stars in outer space

as a way to make it seem more human and girls. This is a big one in Camp I mean love. But it's a lot like, it was a way to show that there was more to the guy than just trying to get laid. We'd be like, it's all out there, man. Yeah. All these stars.

And it would be like having a moment. Yeah. Now I realize I probably should have done that more when I was trying to get a girlfriend. Do you think that there's like a telescopes became more widely available kind of thing that's happening with that? Or do we have too much info in outer space now? And it's like, yeah, there's some shit up there.

Yeah. We've kind of explored everything. Put some satellites. Yeah, it's just some stars. There's no human life. I have for what's age the worst, the character named Walter Gibson, not a name you see a lot on a lot of white guys anymore.

No, he'd be like a left guard for the Jacksonville Jack Wars. Walter Gibson's probable to come back. Kirby's smart really saw something in him. Writing workshops. I know they help people with their work, but you have to listen to a lot of bad writing when you're in running workshops.

And you have to do a lot of kind of really forcing and compliments. Yeah, like I had to like, at Emerson, I had to listen to like vampire erotica and just be like, that was pretty good. Yeah, like I think you may want to think about the last act. Chris, you really have an eye for characters. Your ear for dialogue is amazing.

Yeah. Ear for dialogue is a good compliment. Hitchhiking? Yeah. We don't do that too much anymore. It's probably age the worst. And, you know why we don't do it? Because Netflix has been,

45 true crime documentaries that end with a hitchhack or be murdered. Not to get dark, but was there a definitive end to hitchhiking and get something happened? Yeah, end of the 70s. Okay. Yeah.

I think the 70s it was going and then there were actually like PSA TV movies that I remember watching. Don't hitchhike. In the late 70s where it was like, this guys. Did you ever hitchhike? Never.

By the 80s, people didn't do that. Okay. But it was a member of Paul Thomas Anderson's dad who would do the, the ABC ads, they would do like, Sally thought it would be a good idea to go cross country. She thought wrong.

The Angel Dust. Diary of a teenage hit checker a night and nine on ABC. But yeah, they put the fair god in you with the after school specials and everything else. It's a good scene, obviously,

and it helps his character develop. But I don't know if Allison for who she is, for how pragmatic she is if she would have gotten in that car with that guy. I think she's at her wit's end, though.

I mean, they are in the great planes in that scene. So, like, I don't know where she's going. Yeah, and probably at this point, it's aged the worst to travel 3,000 miles to get laid just because there are apps now.

Yeah. Yeah. He's just going on. What site would he go on now, Craig? Not that I use them, but Bumble, hinge, Tinder. No free ads. Not that I use them, that, that, that be a good sponsored segment with Craig. Raya, if you're really cool.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't think Gibbs getting on Raya. The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge, overacting word. It's QSAC a couple times, but I love it every time. Cusack the Hitchhiker. Totally necessary. Cusack the crazy hitchhiker.

Totally necessary. So, do we retire the Sierra thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison for it? How to Stake Award and change it to the Rob Mahoney thinks Smells Like Teen Spirit Sucks a Word? I think it's... Is it time?

I'm willing to give it over. Yeah, I think so. Is it time? Sure. The categories could use a new coat of paint. Yeah. It's okay. So we call it the Rob Mahoney thinks smells like teen spirits suck the whole time. We should do a rewatchable's hottest take

like March Madness bracket. Oh, like a clip show. And they just have like... All of the hottest takes, like the best 64 we've ever done and have them compete and see which one wins. My hottest take for, be it Rob Mahoney or Luke Wilson, is that Gib and Allison met just a hair too early to make it really work in their lives.

It's just freshman year's tough, man. Freshman year and for that to be the forever relationship, those guys are going to go through a lot of changes. They're going to discover a lot of new music. They're going to try some different drugs. You know, like, it's about to get really koki out there in the 80s. You never know what's going to happen. Lempias hasn't died yet.

I just don't really know if Gibb is going to be able to dial it in academically. I think they're supposed to be at like Cornell. You know, Allison's not going to not. I was not brown. But yeah, Cornell could be too. New York that they're supposed to be in. But yeah, it's a sad little truth. don't think Give and Allison are forever a couple.

I had this later for probably in answerable, so I'll just do it now. I think it's going great, and I think he gets drunk one night and makes out with another girl, and she never forgives him. And then at some point, campus police might have had to intervene because he kept showing up at a room. Over under sophomore first semester that they make it to. Do you think they make it through that first summer? No.

Really? I think they do. I think they make it through most of college, and he starts to have. have the same crisis he has at the end of high school where he's like, I got to go on and be myself and do something else. I can't be with the same girl into my 20s. Do you think Lance remains a thorn in the side for the relationship or has you become like... No, Lance is out.

He marries a biologist. Yeah. I think Gibb wins the intramural football championship. And he goes right to his head. Yeah, transfers to gambling. He hits the portal. My, uh, my CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, Howdest Take, which we're now retiring and named me after Rob Mahoney and smells like Teen Spirit,

how to take a word. I think risky business and The Sure Thing are the two best 80s teen movies with teen characters as the protagonist. Risky Business and the Sure Thing. Okay. I think they are the top two. I would have Breakfast Club third and I'd have cried a kid fourth. You don't have, is Bueller 5?

I'd have Bueller 5. Really? Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Okay. That's, if I do Mount Rushmore, I'd have it. those as the four, and then Bueur 5.

And Bueh versus Carriety Kid's a good argument. I mean, Criety Kid's like, I don't know. I just think of it more as a sports movie than I do as a teen movie. All right, fair. I'll bump Criotid Kid. Risky Business, Sure Thing, Breakfast Club, Ferris. Yeah. As a Mount Rushmore.

I think that's, I think that might be it for me. I'll move Criot Kid to the sports movie territory. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Casting What Ifs. You mentioned Anthony Edwards almost got the lead, and then Cusack got the part.

They moved them over. Robin Wright auditioned for the title role. Didn't get it. For Nicolai Sherton's part. Filed it away for Princess Bride. To your point or to our point where we're like, if it's Robin Wright... The movie doesn't work.

Yeah. Because she's the most beautiful person who ever existed. It's unrealistic that she would be single for a minute and a half. Thanks for the ride, Allison. I'll see you later. Yeah. Right. Look, but I shouldn't brought me.

Best that guy award. Oh, there's a couple other casting widows. Anthony Edwards was up for Gibb, as we said, and mayor winning him for Allison. Probably Zuniga's probably better. Yeah, but you can see it insane almost fire. Yeah, yeah. You can see, like, where they were coming from.

I almost did that for my hottest take. Maybe I could do a second one. Go ahead. It's your pod. Daphne Zaniga, I think, should have been in the brat pack. I think she easily could have replaced Alishidi and all the Alishidi parts and I would rather

I just would rather have her than Alishidi just in general. I think St. Elmo's Fire is better with her. I think Breakfast Club's better with her. So I would say... I even think bad boys would be better with her. There's a weird moment right out weird moment,

but it's like one crazy summer Demi Moore is basically playing the Daphnees Zanika part. It's the person that Kuzak's character is kind of with the whole movie but is distracted from and then eventually realizes like I'm in love with this person, right?

And I wonder how much of a Demi Moore career Daph Daphnees Zaniga could have had. Interesting. Well, she ended up getting knocked up by her high school reunion guy and then fighting for custody with her in-laws. Season three. Best that guy.

The trucker. Larry Hankin. you know who the trucker is? No. Did you record? Like were you like Obscary 90s? He didn't recognize him.

He played the cranky friend's neighbor who ended up dying. Oh. He also played Kramer's alter ego in the Seinfeld. The Bizarro episode? No.

Was it the bizarre episode or the one where they did a TV show about Seinfeld? I can't remember. I think it was that when they did the TV show. Oh, okay. And Kramer didn't get to play Kramer

but somebody else did. I think that was Larry Hankin. It's been around for a long time. Carmen Flippy was, or Philpie was the bus station bum in,

The Homeless Man in this movie he was the preacher in Halloween 4 and he's in a bunch of Tim Burton movies and he's a good one and he's in wedding singer

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Find your season at experienceGR.com. Dan Waiter's a word. You know, I check, I do to do a rewatchables mailbag or a mailback from my pod or some sort of milk bag. Multiple people have pushed for this to be the Bill Paxton Award. Instead of the Deanne Waiters' word. I'm not good with changing Deon Waiters. I think it's spent 10 years of Deon Wader.

A core part of the philosophy of this pod. It's also funny that he's been out of basketball for five years. It's a real race to see who people know less, Deon Waiters or we own the city. You know? Wayne Jenkins. It might be Dion. Dan Waiters, the teacher, Fivicle Limforres,

Tim Robbins, Anthony Edwards is Lance or the short thing. I actually think it's the teacher. I think you're right. Robbins is right behind them. Yeah, Robbins is great. Take good care of himself. He belongs to me.

Why aren't you singing, honey? He's just, he's kind of mad that they're not singing in the back. Recast the couch director of City. I love everybody. I wouldn't change a thing. I maybe would identify the college campus and really go hard on like a Georgetown.

or Brown or just so we know where we are but they didn't want to do that. Yeah, it's like a year too late. It would just be really, it would be really fun if like Tom Cruise was Lance, you know. Rob Lowe could have been Lance. I'm surprised he wasn't available. I'm coming from you, I'm coming to you cordless.

Craig has a flex category. I did the Rick Dalton. Can I just save it for? picking nits. Yep. Because I, yeah. Half a fast internet research. Some guy named Robert Bauer

played the same character named Moek in this end Spinal Tap. The scene when Gibb teaches Allison a shotgun a beer was added to the script because QSack told Reiner this was one of his talents. I threw it in.

Where to go? Ryanner said he's shot at multiple colleges, so it would be a generic, but obviously Ivy League or Neskak time. I will say, I forgot to put this

at what stage the worst is that now that I've lived in California, for a little while. You can tell 90% of the movie is shot in California even though it's a road movie. And you can be like,

oh yeah, this is Stockton. Gib is wearing the green and gold's, green and gold kangaroos jersey of an Australian national rugby league team of that era. And they just gave it to them because they liked the way the jersey look. But then I guess for the next 10, 20 years,

people are mentioning it to Cusack. I just assume that all T-shirts that John Cusack wears in John Cusack movies are John Cusack's T-shirts. Yeah. He's always good. Yo, kangaroos. He's like, what?

Apex Mountain, Cusack, no. Daphnees, Zaniga. He's got probably spaceballs the next year. How about Apex Mountain for whatever sexual position Gibbs' roommate is pulling? Because I honestly... We should have put him in D.M. Wagers. I've never seen it before.

I don't even know what you would call it. Is that the Spelunker? Like, what's he doing? He was the skin, what do they call him? Skincrawlers or Skinwalkers? He was like Skinwalker. You believe he? in skin walkers? No, I don't know.

What are skin walkers? It's on Instagram. If you follow any of those weird accounts, they'll start serving your skin walker stuff. What are you talking about? It's like, it's like the wide shot of like there's like a security camera to bank and like a skin walker walks by. It's like these little skeletons

that walk weird. What does this have to do with a sexual position in the door room? Because they have like their legs are backwards. Bill, what the fuck are you talking about? I've never seen this. You've never Have you ever seen Skinwalkers? No.

This is like an AI, like, bit that they do? Obviously, I'm following better Instagram accounts. Give me what's like... Although I may be done with Instagram. I'm tired of the AI. Oh, yeah. I'm tired of getting fooled by the AI.

Yeah. I saw one the other night of like, I was pretty gripped by it. I got hoodwinked with... You got clanked. People in like a skyscraper pool, like a pool that looks out over the sky. And then the glass starts to break.

And they were like, oh, it's AI. And I was like, fuck, dude. I was like, this is pretty good. I saw one where. there was a fist fight at a game and the guy got punched and rolled down the stairs and went off the baseball stadium like triple deck and went out. We wouldn't have heard about that.

I was like, I probably would have seen this on SportsCenter if this happened. Yeah, they would have led SportsCenter with that. Coming up next. Honestly, can you imagine if SportsCenter just became like the chive and it was just like, it's like an incredible thing that happened? That's what they should do at sports centers, just do AI videos.

Yeah, crowdfights. It's just ridiculousness. Instead, it's like Saturday or Saturday. What do you got first, Jeff? I told Shrager he's got to do Peter's Pants. That, like, that could be his hook segment. Did he like that? It's time for Peter's Pans.

Yeah. And then he, like, has pants. Hannah Storm doing Skinwalker of the week. Is a Skinwalker a real thing or a made-up name? This is, like, kind of terrifying because he's like, I don't know, first of all, how you made that association. He were talking about his body was like bent in a weird. spot. Where did that phrase come from? What is a skin walker?

Oh, here's the skin walker. Look at the dog barking at the skinwalker. Yeah, Bill, that's... They're like skeletons. That's a cartoon, man. I'm just telling you that it's on Instagram. I don't know what's going on. Oh, my God. Wait, I have more Apex Mountain.

Skinwalkers. Anthony Edwards, no. Did you say road trip movies? I was about to. Yeah. Road trip movies? No. Is it that run?

This or Green Book? No, it's been a run. Green book. We've got to step here. I'm doing some music. Hitchiking? No. No.

Shotgunning beers? Has it been done better? Has it been a more integral part of a movie podcast? Do they shock on beers and animal house? Am I forgetting that? I like how they bring it back in this where she does it. Yeah. In front of her boyfriend.

It's really funny. I'm going to say yes. Nicola Charitin. No, Desperadoswise. Rob Brenner. She shotguns it in real life. I mean, she crushes that. She's a good job.

Cold 45? Is he drinking beers just in this guy's car like at 10 in the morning? Yeah. That is pretty funny. I'd be pretty annoyed by that. 80s teen movies now. Cruz or Hanks?

I got Hank Spielberg for Cruz. I have Hank Spielberg as well. This would have been a good Tom Hanks movie. Although you're right. Cruise easily could have been the Anthony Edwards part. Yeah. Talking to your courthous, buddy. What role would Philip C.

Seymour Hoffman and played? I think it's Gibbs buddies. Oh, it's definitely Lance. Coming to you cordless. And then when Gibbs's like, I can't come, he's like, shut the fuck up, shut up, shut up. You'd be like, hey, Gibb, how's the peeping?

Pickin'ance. How did Gibb actually get in the cowboy rapist truck? He jumped in the truck then. How did the truck or not know? I think he was more interested in taking off his wedding ring and stuff. we talked about this, but why is the sure thing so excited about meeting Gibb?

Yeah, we don't know. Pretty sure she has. Makes no sense. And then Lance completely bottles it by being like he's gay and a virgin. Yeah. When it's like... Well, she was trying to...

It was a ploy to make her feel bad for him. I guess. It's just such a weird move. The whole thing's a little weird. Was Lance a good friend? Well, it actually leads me to a possibly unanswerable question, which is, you know, in the beginning of the movie Gibbs, Like, I had sex six times in high school,

sophomore and junior year mostly. And I'm like, you think he's lying? Do you think Gibbs is a virgin? And that's why he's like, I'm willing to go all the way across the country to get laid. So he's doing the Niagara Falls area? Yeah. He's like, I had sex six times.

Yes. But Lance seems to know that he had sex. Lance just seems to be taking his word for it, but I don't think he's like interrogating it much. Because it seems to think Gibbs like in a slump. Yeah. Well, he's using all this astronomy pickup lines. I mean, like, start there.

Yeah, outer space. It just never really worked. Yeah. But then we find out, like, later, like, you know, that's a... That's when friends went off the wheels a little bit when Ross was using that with Rachel. He took her to, like, the astronomy, whatever, to try to get her. It's like, look at the stars. Oh, the, uh, observatory?

No, but, like, isn't it, like, the... Astronomy, whatever. Planetarium. Planetarium. The edit at the end is very, uh, 80s and corny. when she reads the essay for some reason the class stops everybody just starts talking

it's just chaos in the class and she comes up to him and it looks like they're about to kiss and then it cuts to them on the roof about to kiss and it's just like let him kiss I don't know if that one worked

I don't know if we had the technology in 1985 for that edit the only thing Liz and I were like oh I think I could have I could have lived with another couple minutes like it ends so abruptly It's like this awesome resolution and they're on the roof. They're kissing credits.

I could have like had them exchange a couple lines or something. But this is your rule. But it's only 92 minutes. Like it could have been 94 if you give me a little bit. I mean, I feel like you build up all the way to this and then it ends. It kind of cuts you a little short. Was this your flex? Well, yes, that.

And then a small picking knits. I feel like Gibbs pajamas on this trip are fucking bizarre. Yeah. He's in like a really like translucent, dirty white cutoff. that's like almost a V-neck and like thin capri gray sweats? It's kind of awesome. Really weird male pajamas. And she's like, jump on in bed.

He also is like, how many clothes did he pack in that duffel bag? He also has a nice suit to wear for dinner that's like perfectly ironed. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know how much, I don't know who was able to pull that off. I could have, I could have gone with another like four minutes at the Hawaiian party. Yeah. Like we didn't need to just be immediately centered on him versus Allison. I could have met a couple other people.

Sure. I was almost thinking this could be a Craig rewatchables category. How many minutes should this movie have been exactly? Craig, he's never satisfied with the link. You know what, though? Even when it's 90 minutes, he's like, I could have gone for another eight. The show could have been 10 minutes longer. I think this just needs a minute more at the end for the resolution.

I just don't know what they need to do there. Because that's when I think you get into like it's the graduates. Like now what with them? You know, like this is a little bit more. Yeah. It might even just have been the editing was so quick. Like it was just, they really like get in and get out.

Secret pre-coural prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. You know, there's like definitely a prestige TV kind of something that you could have pulled off with this. I just don't know where it goes for the second season. I just trying to think of the other day, like if there are really good road trip TV shows that aren't like kung fu,

like the whole point is like this person goes from town to town, but how long could their road trip be before it would be like... So could it be like seven episodes each day as its own episode? That's a long time to be getting into hijinks with these guys. Maybe untouchable.

This is so perfectly paced where you think that they're on the road the whole movie, they don't get into Tim Robbins' car until the 31st minute. You get so much time in college getting like the opposites part

before they attract. It's really great. All black cast could have worked too. Is this movie better and then you could have had the grambling thing really work, you know? Is this movie better

with Wayne Jenkins or everyone else we have in this category? I haven't done Brimley in a while. You know, and I was just imagining like what happens

like Allison and Gibber together for a little while and then, I know, here's your Allison. Going down to the mailbox to get her latest copy of Branta or the Paris review.

What does she find instead? She finds heart at Gibb. Another one of your letters to Penn House has been published. Do you think Gibb gives up his, like, you know, like he obviously wants,

I know that's his roommate's letter. But do you think Gibb gives up like the writing letters to Pennhouse even after him and Allison do the deed? Yes. Okay. I do.

I had, I had long legs picking them up with their head checking. Come on in the car, Allison. She's pretty much like, sure, whatever, I gotta get out of here. It seems like you're fighting with that boy. Just one,

Oscar, who gets it? Ryan. Reiner. Yeah, I think it's Reiner. Probably in answerable questions. What kind of credit card bill was her dad looking at in January? So that dinner alone, it's granted, it's 85. Yeah.

Some food on the way. 600 bucks in 1985? Yeah. Sounds good. And you think Gibbon-Oss and you think they made it a year? I think that they maybe make it to first semester, sophomore year, but then it really starts to come apart. I think that's fair.

That's when intramural football really kicks in a high-gearfriend. What piece of memorability would you want or not went from this movie? I would take the actual essay that closed the movie. Yeah, that's a good one. I would even take the one with the pepperoni stains on it. Yeah, either one. Coach Finstock Award. By the way, was that handwritten that essay, right?

Yeah, I think so. We should have put that in what's the most 1985 thing about the movie? Handwriting your work. I didn't see any word processors or typewriters or anything like that. Coach Finstock Award best life lessons. Next time, just take the bus the whole way? Well, I didn't get to this and probably answer a question. What's the return trip plan?

Because Gibbs, like, I'm broke. I can't fly. So if he's in L.A., what's the plan to get back to class in time to start taking tests? He's borrowing money from Lance. Yeah. Okay.

Who's at that point has become one of the best madams in Hollywood. He's pimping out everyone in the clippers. Best double feature choice? I had stand by me. I have one crazy summary. Oh. Yeah.

I like it. And then who won the movie? It's probably Cusack, but we'll say Reiner for this one. Any last thoughts, Craig? I agree with you. This and risky business are probably my two favorite team movies that I've never seen before. So good.

Well, we haven't done Secret Amir yet. I'll be interested to see how that resonates with you. This is great. Yeah. Maybe this will inspire somebody to just pay for the music and have this stream again. It's the lost Rob Reiner classic. I really can't tell what the deal is here.

I guess it must be the same. soundtrack. Yeah. That's it. All right, P. Rob Reiner, we're going to miss you. Good to see you, man. Thanks, CR. Thanks, Craig. Thanks, Gahow. See you next time in the rewatchables.