The Rewatchables - ‘The Terminator’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Shea Serrano

Episode Date: January 21, 2021

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Shea Serrano are sent from the future to stop an indestructible cyborg and save humanity so we can revisit James Cameron’s 1984 hit ‘The Terminator,’ starring Arnold Schwarzenegger, Michael Biehn, and Linda Hamilton. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Save at Whole Foods Market. We're also brought to you by the ringer.com and the ringer podcast network. On Monday on the rewatchables, Brian Koppelman and I did First Blood, which is, in our opinion, the first great modern action movie. Here's another one.

Here's another influential one. So important. Coming up, I came across time for you, Sarah. The Terminator. It's next. come from another time. A machine wrapped in flesh. A soldier from a distant war.

Both after a woman who holds the key to the future. One wants to kill her. The other must protect her. I'm here to help you. You've been targeted for termination. The Terminator. Your future is in his hands. The Terminator, rated R.

The number one movie in the USA is now playing everywhere. All right, Chase Serrano's here. Chris Ryan is here. This is one of the most important action movies ever. We did First Blood a couple days ago that I think was the first modern action movie. 48 hours was two months after that. I think that was probably next. We've already done that on the rewatchables.

And then The Terminator. And if you look at those three movies, it's basically the birth of everything. And we did die hard in 1989. And then the last piece of this is Terminator 2. Well, let's start with The Terminator. here is what it just says in Wikipedia. Remember, this movie is 36 years old. Arnold Schwarzenegger stars as The Terminator,

a cyborg assassin sent back in time from 2029 to 1984 to kill Sarah Connor, parentheses Linda Hamilton, whose son will someday become a savior against machines in a post-apocalyptic future. Shea, is that the best sentence you could ever have to describe a movie, or could we do better? It's about as good as it gets. You hit all of the big keywords that you want in there. You have to have assassin in there.

Yeah, let's break it down. Cyborg assassin. What does that do for you? Boom. I'm in. Post-apocalyptic future? Yeah, definitely. Sabier against machines?

Another green check mark. Chris, what was going on here in the early 80s as people became truly afraid of machines? Well, oh, the machines part is interesting just because I think home computing was starting to become more and more of a reality. People started getting like PCs and apples and started thinking about all the possibilities of what that could mean. But I think really like what's happening here

is that Cameron is tapping into the slasher flick craze. Is that this is like the extension of Halloween and he was obsessed with Carpenter. And Cameron has talked about how everybody saw what Carpenter did with low budget on Halloween. And that was the goal is to make kind of this stylish low-budget horror movie to break out, which is now actually been starting to get repeated

a little bit more with Blumhouse, where you see people go in a Blumhouse, getting these small budgets and making $45, $50 million at the box office and kind of breaking out. But this movie is really like what you're saying with 48 hours and Rambo, this is really the beginning of the 80s.

You know, it takes that B-movie feel, those Roger Corman movies that were happening in the 70s and makes them into a blockbuster. It makes that idea of the slasher flick into a sci-fi blockbuster. Shea, this is the formula that specifically can be injected right into your veins. Yeah, there's no question about it. I was so excited when I got the text that we were doing this one. This is a movie that I rewatch probably like at least once a month, if not more than that,

just sort of have it on. So I was fucking ready to go. It's just so much fun to watch this, everything happening, and you see the pieces of all of the other movies that came from this. You know what I'm saying? Like little things here or there. You're like, oh, all right, cool. That's neat.

That's fun. Yeah, and that's like, you know, we did First Blood, which I think is 39 years old, but has all the basic elements of, like, a modern action movie. You know, it's one guy who seems pretty normal, but it turns out he's got a superhero side to him, and he's fighting against whoever. and then that eventually morphs into like the diehard strategy and we just keep going with that. The 48 hours has the buddy cop.

These two guys, they don't get along, but they do. And then there's a bad guy and one guy, and how do these two make it together and do that? And Terminator, as Chris said, taps into this horror movie thing with that. I got to be honest, I didn't know until I did the research for this, the influence that John Carpenter had on camera

because it wasn't just Halloween. It was escaped from New York. When you watch it knowing that, you're like, oh, everything here. It's the synths. It's his, he's this unkillable evil force that you got to crush, you know. It really makes sense. And he's doing like downtown L.A. The same way Carpenter's doing an escape from New York where he does that post-apocalyptic.

New York, all that stuff. So I'm old enough to remember when this movie came out and I'm old enough to remember actually seeing it in the theater. And I left the theater. And I remember thinking that's the best action movie I've ever seen. Because it was. Like what other action movie would have compared to that? Yeah. It was kind of like he borderline stumbled out of the theater.

And then the other piece was like, wow, Arnold Schwarzenegger, when's his next movie coming out? And he wasn't really at that point yet because he was the pumping iron guy. He was the bodybuilder. Kind of knew who he was. And then he did Conan. And then Conan too came out before this, I think. but was still like the big oversized steroid up seemed like a bodybuilder

and then in this movie he's so fucking cool and the big wrinkle Shea he's the bad guy which is a really rare thing because now starting with diehard you always have the A-lister's the hero and then the bad guy part is for like the John Lithgow

Alan Rickman those kind of actors Anthony Hopkins, Ed Harris, yeah. Schwarzenegger's the bad guy. And when, yeah, I don't mind stepping on the cast and what if's for this. They originally wanted him for the Reese part. And Cameron met him and was kind of staring at his face and just how he moved and realized that he should be the Terminator. And then the goal is, how do I talk Arnold into doing it?

It's both a compliment and an insult, Shea, to say that casting Arnold as a cyborg assassin was probably the best use of his acting talents. But I think that's real. Right? Yeah, that's absolutely real. That was one of the things I was thinking about when I was re-watching this. And when he very first shows up and it's just in on his face and he's sort of scanning where he is and looking at his body and making sure everything is ready to go, I can't think of too many times where somebody showed up and was just immediately a character more than Arnold Schwarzenegger was as determined. Like, who else do you associate with one

specific role the way that you do Arnold. Like maybe you do Stallone with Rocky, but you can also sort of argue like, what about Rambo or Vin Diesel with Dominic Torretto or whatever? Like this was the role. He was built exactly for this thing. I don't think this happens as much anymore because I think we're so aware of younger actors and everybody is so polished all the time. But when Arnold broke out, it really was like getting a super raw.

NBA prospect out of high school who can jump out of the gym but doesn't have like all the other tools and maybe doesn't have like, doesn't know how to play weakside defense and stuff like that. But you watch Arnold from Terminator. So James Wiseman? But yeah,

but if you then watch him in total recall, it's like what happens if James Wiseman becomes Anthony Davis? I'm not saying in total recall he gives like a Marlon Brando performance but he's funny and he's a believable like he's having sex with Sharon Stone and you're like, I get it.

Yeah, sure. Like he's a big guy named Quaid who works at a construction site. Like, you believe everything about it. But, like, when he was first coming out, he was kind of like a circus attraction, right? Like, I mean, he was a little bit of a, he was this bodybuilder from Vienna

and everybody was just kind of like this guy. But this was a really interesting way, Cameron's done this over the course of his career. He realizes, like, how to just slightly shift people's perceptions of the actors that are in his movies, how to tweak them a little bit so that we're kind of, constantly surprised.

I don't feel like I was personally there with Arnold as a legitimate movie star until Commando. The pieces are here. Commando is the one. Well, the pieces are here, but... His relationship with Ray Don John is...

Yeah. No, but he's got 17 lines of this movie and 70% in the movie he's gone and turns into the robot. I don't know if I left it thinking this guy is... is going to be able to also blossom into this Commando total recall guy. When he did Commando, it was like, oh, okay. So this is where we're going with Schwarzenegger.

I'm with you. When he showed up in this movie, I didn't really know that much about him other than he won some, you know, the bodybuilding competitions. But it's not like we really had the internet back then. It's not like they were showing those competitions on whatever. So I didn't really have a background with him. He looks so good in that first show. Like you see his face and you realize like I've never seen a face like this before.

There's something slightly exotic about it. But also it definitely feels like this is probably what a robot thinks a human should look like. And then they get that shot of him as he like overlooks the city. You're watching him from the back. And from his like shoulders to his waist, it looks like a fucking pyramid upside down. Like I've never, you know, what am I supposed to do against this guy? Clearly he's the bad guy in this movie. it was incredible.

Yeah, and I think it probably had a dramatic effect on Stallone, right? Because the next year, Stallone does Rambo 2 and Rocky 4, and his body now, he is just like, he's got 0% body fat and 20 pounds more muscle than he had before because Schwarzenegger looks like this unkillable. I mean, he had probably the greatest body of all time. He was the greatest bodybuilder of all time. How do you, what's the goat? So he is the goat body?

He is the, the great body. I think he was. Plus, honestly, the performance-enhancing drugs, and I don't know if he was still doing it. He's talked about how he did in the 70s. I don't know if he was doing it for this movie. But the drugs made the bodies. Like, you see the wrestlers back then, too,

they were just bulkier and bigger, and they held more water. Do you have, like, a rush more for bodies? Who's number two? I'm thinking maybe Martin Sheen in Apocalypse Now. I think. I think Drago and Rocky Four is pretty imposing. Yeah.

And Von Doms probably up there. You got to have a band. In Bloodsport. Like he just seems like he works out 17 hours a day. But Schwarzenegger, I think it's a key point because it's not just that he's a cyborg assassin, but this guy looks like he was created to have the greatest body of all time, which he was in a lot of ways. This movie spawned five sequels and countless imitators, which we discussed.

I don't know if I left this movie thinking there was going to be a sequel. But when you think about it, all the breadcrumbs are there for Terminator 2. But I don't remember feeling that way. Do you remember, Chris, if you were thinking like, oh, they'll run this back? Because we didn't really think about sequels like that, that back back then. Well, I was like, I was seven when this came out. But the sequels thing, the sequels thing really started to emerge, I think, out of Star Wars, Raiders, Rambo. Like, they were, they were starting to, like, be a little bit more concertive, like, effort.

to make trilogies and to make these franchises. But I don't think people thought, well, every movie's got to be a sequel, right? Like there was Superman 2 right around this time. Back to the Future. It comes out and is a trilogy shortly after this. But yeah, I don't think anybody was like, there's more Terminator to tell.

But, crucially, Cameron puts like, there's a version of this movie that's just the chase, that's just the cat and mouse with Kyle, Sarah, and the Terminator. and it's even a cool version of the movie where you're like, what if Kyle isn't telling the truth? Like, what if Kyle is a crazy guy?

But he, you know, does all these cutaway dream sequences and flash forwards and flashbacks to Kyle's time in this dystopian future after the rise of the machines. So there was always that breadcrumb trail of like, we could do something bigger with this world. And we can get in once we get to half-ass internet research. I don't want to step on that too much. But, hey, Bill, I wanted to ask you something really quick

because we've done a couple of these big classic 80s movies. And this comes out in 84. When you were like a guy in 84, a kid in 84, you went to the movies and you saw like Beverly Hills Cop and Terminator at the movie theater and born in the USA and Purple Rain and like a Virgin came out this year, were you like, this is pretty good? This is about as good as it gets. Like did you recognize that 1984 was going to be this year that you would think about

for the rest of your life? I don't think I realized it until probably like 15, 20 years later. I remember in 2004, I wrote a piece about page two about, for page two, about how 1984 was the greatest sports and pop culture year ever. I think you kind of, in the moment, you just think it's going to be like this every year. Yeah. You don't realize like, oh my God. There will be another purple rain next year. No. It turns out no. All that, I mean, there was some great TV stuff too, like, because that was the year Miami Vice started. But the basketball, that was the 84 finals. And we had all these good quarterbacks.

and the NFL and baseball had a bunch of stuff going. There was just all over the map, it was great. But I think with the movies, just from a pop culture standpoint, it's kind of incredible. Like the fact that The Terminator, Purple Rain, like, what was the other one you mentioned, the movie from this year? Beverly Hills Cop.

Yeah, Beverly's Cop. Like, those three movies came out within a couple months of each other. Shay, what's your favorite thing about this movie? Arnold is my favorite thing about this movie. Me too. Just seeing him. I had recently, like maybe two, three weeks ago, rewatch the pumping iron documentary. It's on the internet.

You can just watch it whenever you want. And to see how charismatic he is in that. And to see him like, especially when he's like playing these mind games with Ferreigno, and he's at the table when they're eating breakfast together. And he's like planting the seeds for how he's going to fuck with him later on. Seeing him go from that to this where they just sort of flatten out the emotional spectrum with Arnold and let him do the opposite of that. It's so great to what.

It's definitely my favorite part. The thing about the sequels that I wanted to mention, I think that Cameron knew pretty early on that he was going to follow this up because they have that great last scene with Linda Hamilton when she's in the Jeep. She's in Mexico, yeah. Yeah, and she's like recording, talking to herself, and she's like recounting everything. Do I tell them about it? Do I tell you about your dad?

Blah, blah, blah. She goes, would I have gotten pregnant? Or would you have come back if you would have known? Whatever. A person can go crazy thinking about all of this. I think that line right there is like, we can do whatever we want here. It doesn't matter. If this works, it's going to be great.

Yeah, I'm with that. Pumping Iron is so awesome. It's a borderline I wanted to do that movie on the rewatchables because the Arnold piece of it and how charismatic is. And basically, as She said, the most amazing part of the movie is him just fucking with Lou Farigno and trying to psych him out. It's a Michael Jordan last dance shit. He's just like, this is, this guy's on my corner.

I have to figure out how to dismantle him. But the fact that, you know, I just assumed in the 80s he was going to be Conan, you know, these movies where he didn't have to talk basically. But one of the most fun things about this movie is every line he says, you just want to like imitate in the theater. I'll be back. I'll be back. give me the Ozi nine millimeter. Everything he says is funny. And I think that's a really important piece of this because

and I really think this is true. This is the first time we have an action star who found the balance between I'm taking care of my business, but also there's some comedy to it because like you think of the guys in the 70s it's like Charles Bronson, Clint Eastwood. Those guys weren't funny.

There's also, there's a danger to it. Because, you know, the one thing that will jump out at you when you watch this movie is just the amount of innocent bystanders to get killed in it. Oh, yeah. Like, when you watch, like, think of like an action movie, like a more modern action movie, like something like Dark Night or Dark Night Rises.

And it's all like, no shooting! Like, that's like what Batman says, like, don't kill anybody. You know, and he's like always like, I'm going to handcuff this guy to a light pole and move on. It's like, that didn't happen in the 80s, man. Like, it would just be like, you would see a secretary who would be having fun and you'd be like, she's dead.

You know, like, it was like every single person in an 80s movie who was ever enjoying themselves definitely got shot by an Uzi in a bar brawl, you know what I mean? Right. And so these movies had like a little bit of an edge to them that I don't know that all of our action movies still do. Cameron believed he was creating a new category called sci-fi horror. He did. And he called it Tech Noir, which was the name of the bar, that Schwartzinger goes into, and he

shoots everybody, but that was why he called the bar tech noir because he was like, this is, this is not a slasher film. This is not a sci-fi film. This is a new thing I'm creating. I guess there's some Blade Runner pieces to it. Yeah, and I think Alien is probably the original sci-fi horror movie. So Arnold said when he tried to flip him and become the Terminator, Cameron, Arnold said, Cameron said he'd shoot it in such a way that all the evil stuff that I do will be totally

excused by audiences because I'm a cool machine and so cool that some of the people will cheer. That's kind of exactly what happened. That's exactly what happened. It's like how people lived for Michael Myers. Well, launched James Cameron's career. So he did the special effects for Escape from New York. In 1982, was directing Piranha to the Spawning for five days, got fired. Somehow during that time, got super sick, had a nightmare, and dreamt of a horrifying

metal being clawing its way toward him out of a sheet of fire clutching a pair of kitchen knives. And that gave him the whole idea for Terminator. And there's a lot of good stuff on it. People love this movie. There's a lot of great stuff on the internet. There's sketches. Early scripts for it. All the stuff he would want to do. And he basically

said, so he wrote the script in 82. He wanted to direct it. He found a producer named Gail Ann Hurd, who was really good, who ended up marrying. And he said, quote, my contemporaries were all doing Slash or Horror movies. John Carpenter was a guy idol as most. He made Halloween for $30,000.

That was everyone's breaking dream to do a stylish horror movie. It was a very slasher film-type image. And that was the launching pad for the story. It's smart. It was the right way to think. And I think Chris hits on the key point. People are now thinking that way again. How can we make a big budget movie for not a lot of money?

Because we kind of lost our way there with Hollywood in a second. But the camera piece of this, though, Chris, the camera piece. It's huge. But now the next 36 years after this movie, you see all the pieces here. But I don't know if I would have expected him to become the biggest director in the world. No, but he starts laying all the groundwork. Like, there is the, like, as far as just like action set piece chops, there's like two, three, four guys on his, not even on his level, but just in his same weight class. You know what I mean?

Like, you could say, like, John McTiernan, John Wu. like, Wichowski's like, there's like a couple of people who can fuck with James Cameron, but that's, they're not really seeing him. But then you have underneath that, this whole idea of world building and all these speeches that Kyle's giving about like what the future is like and like how the machines became sentient. And even if he had never made another movie, all those speeches work. But now everybody, all superhero movies are essentially trying to set up these five, six movie franchises where there's like stakes that are going across these multiple films. It's, it's really, it was very prescient about that. Also, like, Bill,

like, when you were mentioning what he was working on, in the time that he was, like, waiting for Schwarzenegger to be available for aliens, he also worked on Rambo, Rambo 2, and he was starting to plan aliens. So, like, James Cameron essentially, like, creates 80s blockbusters in, like, a six-month period here. Shady, do you know that piece? They wanted Schwarzenegger and Dino D. Laurentis had him contracted to do Conan, too, and was like, no, fuck you, we're shooting Conan 2. So they had to wait 10 months for Schwarzenegger to finish Conan 2. This movie was supposed to come out a year earlier.

And in that nine months, he writes Rambo 2, and then he creates aliens. My guy stayed busy. Yeah, so Dino, Dino really helped us out. Shade, sure or false, the studio didn't think the movie was good. Oh, that seems like a true thing. It was true. So didn't screen it for critics Oh wait, hold on

I thought you meant like when he told him the idea They watched it and thought it wasn't good Yeah, they let him do it Oh, mother fuck He submitted it and they were like Oh God, this is terrible They didn't screen it for critics

So Roger Ebert has no review of this Because they didn't screen it for critics They Rodgson go retroactively back to be like No, he should have He should have time machine did They the studio is Orion which was run by Mike Medivoy,

who's like a big Eddie's figure. Oh, Ryan, sorry. And they had Amadeus. So they put all their weight behind Amadeus. And it had been released five weeks before and one best picture. So maybe they weren't wrong on that. But Cameron's really pissed about it.

And Cameron, who's a legendary kind of crabby guy, Medivoy, who then grabs, as the years passed, like, oh, I create a Terminator, all that stuff. camera just undermines of every chance he get. He said Mike Medivoy was very negative. He's pretty much the opposite of a helpful supporting executive. He never understood the film. But after the movie came out, he was falling all over himself, taking credit for it.

So that happened. Shea, give us your Michael Bean thoughts. Oh, he's great. Now, keep in mind, I've only, like, noticed him in two movies. This one and The Rock, but in those two movies, fucking super intense. I love a super intense skinny guy. And that's the energy that he brings in here. Like he shows up and he knows,

I'm not going to make it out of this mission alive, but he's just going to go for it. This is a man in love right here. He's got to do what he's got to do. I ask Shay first, Chris, because I know you're the biggest Michael Bean film fan, probably in the universe. Just a huge what-if.

I mean, he still winds up making this and aliens and he's in Abyss and Tumabee. So he's got like a half a dozen classics under his belt. But I, you know, if you read there's a Hollywood Reporter interview with him. If you read any interview with him, you're like the movies that he was up for, the possibilities like he was supposed to be the star of Alien 3. Yeah. You know, there was another big one that I think we mentioned on a previous episode. He was supposed to be an avatar. I'm not sure if there was another thing that he was, I think there was something else that he was up for. Obviously like, you know, if you see the movies that he did make, like, it suggests

that like there were he he was maybe a somewhat difficult personality to work with in certain points in his life i'm not sure the details but yeah like he had like kind of like that harrison ford vibe you know like he could have there was a moment there where the window was open for him to be like a major 80s and 90s action and drama star but it never really came together well in some of the research they were saying how he can't he was in that generation that was like right after Pacino, the neuro generation. These guys who, they became actors, they're in New York, and they just want to do incredible, important work.

So I think maybe that probably handicapped them a little bit. He saw something like the Terminator, like almost, I'm slumming it. Yeah. You know, or if I'm going to do this, I got to do it my way, the way Pacino would do it, which is, there have been guys like that over the years that they, I think Steven Dorf was an example of somebody 20 years later, right? who was super talented but couldn't stay out of his own way. I don't know if that was the case with our guy Mike.

But I'm looking through his IMDB. Well, remember we talked about in Tombstone? It felt like he belonged with all of those major stars. Sure. Because I think, because we all love this movie. We always felt like he was a major star, even if maybe the IMDB didn't back it up. But yeah, it's a what if for me.

I agree with you. I don't really understand why it didn't happen in a bigger way. He definitely, if you go through his IMDB, he definitely turned down a lot of, a lot of juicy roles. One last thing that we got a hit was the HBO cable piece of this. You know, this podcast is called The Rewatchables for a reason. The HBO universe really unfolds 82, 83 range. Koppelma and I talked about this a little bit on First Blood because I had HBO before him. First Blood was one of the movies that was just on HBO a lot.

there's four huge rewatchable movies that became rewatchable partly because HBO was just showing them constantly. And here they were. And they all came out pretty close to each other. Karate Kid, Terminator, Beverly Os Cop, Purple Rain. These movies were on constantly for three years. And I think one of the things with Terminator,

it's like if you're getting close to him getting to Tech Noir, you're just going to watch. You're just like, these next 20 minutes, I'm just in. If he shows up at the police station, and he's like, I saw, Connor, please.

And they're like, who are he? He's like, I'll be back. And you're like, all right. I'm watching this. I know what these. And I think it's really important. I know I've made this point a bunch of times, but like, we didn't have a lot going on in the 80s and 90s.

And when you had a movie that you could rewatch 20 times like this one, it was fucking currency, you know? So I just want to make that. funny thing about this movie, like, with a lot of these 80s rewatchables is that I've seen them so many times on TV that sometimes I forget the order of the scenes. So, like, rewatching it even this weekend, I was like, oh, is this after that? I thought, like, I didn't know the parking lot. I didn't know the parking lot scene was after or before they had sex for the first time. Like, I couldn't remember because I've seen this movie probably a hundred times in bursts of 20 minutes,

but I haven't seen it all the way through for five or six years, you know? Like, but I, it was, I knew every line in the movie. It's also a top 10. It hurts, it hurts to watch it on basic because when you have like the fuck you asshole and they have to like bleep that or cut it. There are different, there are different versions of rewatchables in my head. Like there are some movies where I just want to rewatch the whole thing. I don't want to like pick out an individual scene because I need the momentum built up before we get to like whatever the great scene is. Or there are other movies. Pulp Fiction is like my favorite example of this where I just want to watch a couple of scenes

and it doesn't matter like what order they're in, whatever. Terminator is in that top level of movies that exist in both of those. I do want to watch individual scenes, but I also need to see the whole entire movie. So let's fucking go. Fuck you asshole. Chris, you love this.

This is one of the few HBO, VHS, Laserdisc, DVD, Blu-ray hit the cycle. Mm-hmm. Every one of them, right? They just kept re-releasing editions of it, and the people who really love that are like, oh, cool. There's another version of this? Great. Yeah, Fantasy and I were talking about this when we were talking about director's cuts on big picture, but like, the DVD industry was really good at getting you to buy something every three or four years. Yeah. Like, now with a new remastering with an 18-bit, like, sound THX, and you're like, I guess I got to get it.

I still have the same TV that I had three years ago. because that was also a time where you didn't necessarily buy a new TV every like two years. But you just keep buying the same movie and it's like,

well, it's a new edition. So I gotta get it. They got an interview with the special effects guy on this one. What's the shortest amount of time that could be like we added this much time

to the movie in the new version? Like there's another 37 seconds in the new germinator. Honestly, for Miami Vice, I would probably just keep buying Miami Vice over and over again.

If they were like, now with remastered gun sounds, I would be like, let me see what Michael Mann's got here. Mine was, mine's definitely Halloween. I think I bought Halloween more times than any other movie. I own at least seven or eight different, I probably don't even own some of them now, but they put out the VHS. Then it was like, the VHS with the scenes that are in the TV movie that they add, I'm like,

cool, more scenes, great. And then it's like, remastered. You can see Michael Myers mask better. It's a little whiter in some of the dark scenes. He was like, cool, sounds great. Just keep getting them over and over again. This movie had a $6.4 million budget, most of which was probably Arnold, made $78 million.

Yeah. The reviews were excellent. Time Magazine named it one of the best ten pictures in 1984. Roger Ebert just sat it out. I don't know what he was doing. There's no record of a Roger Ebert review of this. He loved Terminator, too, but not this one. So we're in it.

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I enjoy every scene with Ginger. I know, but that's the thing. So I don't know the answer to that, but I was trying to narrow it down. Is there a scene that is like, because I love like the Bill Paxton scene. Yeah. It's short, but it's like I love that scene. Yeah, you have that one. You have to have, you know who I love in this movie?

And I would like to spend a certain amount of time talking about him eventually. Maybe that guy at the end. But Rick Roscovich is just somebody who I get so excited. We'll be spending a lot of time talking about Rick Roscovich. Rick's coming up. Okay, good, good, good. But yeah, you have to have him in there. When I was rewatching it for this, it just made me so happy that his big scene like starts

when he fights Arnold, he wakes up, this mountainous standing in front of him, tries to punch his head off, he dodges it, gets picked up and thrown through a window. He's just in his underwear at this point. He gets thrown through a plate glass window, and he comes back inside the house to like keep fighting, which is the fucking coolest energy in the movie, I think. Yeah, he was, that's a rewatchable scene for me, because it also has the classic 80s trope of the idiot girl on her headphones. Yeah.

There's this stretch in movies where people were like, headphones and listen to the most annoying music possible, and they're just like making eggs, like, ah, ha, ha, like with this music going. She somehow can't hear the massive fight happening one room away. They're like, what headphones are so loud? You can't hear your boyfriend getting brutally beaten the death 20 feet away. The tech noir scene. Amazing.

I think you made a key point there, Chris. I don't think they do it this way because it's brutal. Like, people are just getting gunned down in the club, but Schwarzscher at one point is just like machine gun spraying. innocent people all over the place, I would say 20 people probably died in that club. Bad guys were really into human shields in the 80s. It's a thing you don't see. When it happens now, it's like, oh my God. But like, in the 80s, it was really, really normal for bad guys to just like grab a woman and just be like, this is my,

this is my human shield. And I can't believe I grew up just watching a movie like once a week that would happen. Well, you also have, this is another 80s. trope, but somebody's in danger. And instead of just going to the police station and being like, I'm the third Sarah Connor, I'm probably going to die. They're like, hey, I'm at Technoart. I'm in the corner near the back. Can you come get me?

Like, I don't know. I probably wouldn't have played it that way. But that, there's a couple, like, just iconic images in this scene. But that scene when he sees, he finally sees her and he's walking toward her in slow motion. And the horror on her face, as she realizes, like, she's going to die. And then it cuts to Michael Bean, who pulls out, you know, he's got this overcoat with this giant gun. And just that whole 20 seconds and then the shootout, it's just awesome. And then the reveal of, like, he shoots this guy six times and the guy Michael Myers is it.

Yeah. You're like, oh, all right. So this is what we're dealing with. This guy's just going to keep getting up. I saw a couple of things online about this bill, but I was wondering when you saw this the first time in 84. was there any part of you that like wasn't sure who was the bad guy in this movie until the tech noir scene? Because they don't necessarily say what Kyle is there to do. You know what I mean?

Like he's basically running the same playbook as the Terminator. And I guess in they, I read some people saying like in 84 up until that scene, there's a little bit of like ambiguity about who's the bad guy. Who's chasing who here. Yeah. See, I don't, I don't remember because I've seen this movie so many times since that experience is overwhelming. the first one. It's like when I've been to certain basketball games where I saw the play happen in person, but now I've seen it so many times on the TV side, that's become my memory of it and not actually being there. My big memory of the movie is just like realizing that they were

Michael Myers in Schwarzenegger. Yeah. And not being mad about it. More being like awesome. I'm all for the unkillable guy who just can't be taken down. Any other tech noir side? Well, it leads to an awesome downtown LA car chase scene, which I think you have to tie together. Tech O'R actually has my favorite shot in the movie, which is the 80s dancing in slow-mo as Schwarzenegger looks over the crowd and she is bent down, but then she looks up and catches eyes and sees Kyle and Schwarzenegger.

But that one shot of him walking across while everybody is doing their like, you know, Molly Ringwald dances. That's like my favorite moment. anything else show? No, you guys hit it on this section. Do you think we should have named the ringer, TechnoWR? I'm sure that it's like on a whiteboard somewhere. Technoire would have been one of our, would have been the five finalists.

I mean, binge mode was one of the five finalists somehow. Next, next rewatchable. I mean, it's tough to pick out rewatchable scenes. This entire movie is rewatchable and doesn't stop for one second. The, when she's like Reese, she's trying to. trying to figure this out, Linda Hamilton's character, Sarah Connor. We didn't really talk about Linda Hamilton, but there's a spot where I want to get into it. She's kind of processing this, and I think she starts believing this guy, right?

Because he's clearly doing everything he can to protect her. Everything he's saying is happening. And she does the Reese, why me? Yeah. And they're in that tunnel. And Reese lays out this whole explanation of nuclear war started by machines. They say it got smart. I don't understand.

Defense network computers. New, powerful, hooked into everything. Trusted to run it all. They say it got smart. A new order of intelligence. Then it saw all people as a threat, not just the ones on the other side.

Decided our fate in a microsecond. Extermination. Some of us were kept alive to, work and there was one man who taught us to fight your unborn son and she's just she's just like oh cool really my unborn son what's his like she what would be your reaction if somebody came from the future Shay I'll do it for you right now well for both of you guys what would you guys have done I think we met you know I met Bill in 2010 or 11 Shay I met you like a year or two after what would you guys have done if I come to you and I was like I come from the future where the guy from the

apprentice is the president, but he's about to be impeached for the second time. And like, what do you guys mean? He wouldn't be like, oh, yeah, yeah, it sounds good. But like, it's not that much crazier than what Kyle Reese says. Should she have believed him, Shea? She should have believed him by that point. He's done enough. I think after seeing, after you see Arnold take the shot.

There's this thing called Q and on. And keep moving. You're like, oh, okay. I really, I really look forward to that, that part. in the movie. Any of these movies where you know somebody's going to have to explain some crazy thing. We swapped bodies. I'm from the future.

This, you know, I don't know. Like, oh, my face got taken off and now I'm on this other person's face. Like, the scene where they have to explain that to a normal person is just really well done in this one. It's about as good as it can get in this scene here. And that's why I included it because this scene should have been bad. I think in the wrong hands... With the wrong actors, this is a bad scene. Being in Hamilton are really good.

They actually sell that. And the writing's really good. Dude, the writing is so strong. This whole monologue it gives, and it leads to, there was one man who taught us to fight, your unborn son. That should be a terrible line, and it works. It's great.

It should be awful, and it's perfect. Arnold shows up right away for another car chase, and we get that going. I am a this is a small scene but I just know how I felt in 1984 and felt throughout the 80s rewatching it it's now seems whatever

the special effects we have in movies are amazing in 1984 this is amazing when Arnold fixes his fucked up arm is I dude in the theater it was like they can do that like you just couldn't believe it It was so cool.

It was the coolest thing I'd ever seen in a movie, honestly. Yeah, that's one of the things. I think we talked about this when we were doing Escape from New York. But this is one of those very rare movies where rewatching it, the special effects, the, like, dorkiness of it at this point, you know, almost 40 years later, somehow makes it more charming and, like, more interesting and more compelling. You're like, dang, they had to create a physical version of this, of Arnold's face. and oh, I would love to watch

how they manipulated these puppets or whatever. It's just, it's really, really interesting. And the sunglasses, whoever had that idea was a fucking genius. Genius. That's the crazy part. When you show his whole face and the robot eye is there, it looks totally fake.

Like, clearly it's fake. But when they put the glasses on the fake face, it all of a sudden looks real. Like the eyes is, like, that's always the trickiest part. But man, the sunglasses, brilliant move. It's so good. Next one. He shows up.

We have this whole thing that cops don't believe. They think Michael Bean's crazy. Linda Hamilton kind of believes it. And they're like, oh, next good. He's probably on PCP. Your guy Lance Henrickson. Great job, Lance. Chris.

Yeah. He's like, yeah, BCP, these guns, he tries to explain everything. So, Reese is crazy. In technical terminology, he's a loon. Sarah, this is what they call body armor. Our tack guys wear these.

Stop a 12-gauge round. This other individual must have been wearing one in his coat. Be let. What about when he punched through the windshield? He was probably on PCP. Broke every bone in his hand and wouldn't feel it for hours. And then Schwarzenegger shows up. And for some reason, the guy working the desk,

they have this, the third Sarah Connor, The other two are dead. We've just had 25 people die at Technoire. We've had an hour-long car chase. And this completely frightening guy with sunglasses, whose 300 pounds shows up. He's like, carter, please. And he's like, you got to come back, take a name. You're not on the list.

He's not scared at all. Yeah. And then he comes back and drives the car through the thing. Yeah. One of my favorite uses of crash test dummies in American movie history is this guy when this guy gets hit by the car. It's just like obviously a dummy, but it's so awesome. It's great.

And then that leads to the whole the shootout and her hiding. Michael Bean finding her in the office somehow and all that stuff. I'm going to say this. So the DVD, that whole world, the stereo sound DVD world starts in the mid-90s. I don't remember when Terminator became available on DVD. But it was so cool to watch this scene with a nice TV and good stuff. the car just going through the cop thing, it just went to another level because of the sound

and how much time and care he put into the little stuff like that. That as our equipment got better, the movie got better, you know? And the shootout and the things, it just, that seems awesome. The thing that always jumps out to me about that one, this is another really good example

of how strong the writing is here. Because in that moment, that's when you have Reese explaining how we traveled back from the future. And they have like a ton of questions, questions for him and he's able to just explain all of them. The thing about that them not only like a living thing can travel back through time. That's why I couldn't bring any weapons or any clothes or anything else. That's just such a smart, great way to immediately neutralize any questions you might

have had about any of this. It's like, oh, there's a perfect explanation right there. Awesome. I agree. Next one. The car chase with the with the oil rig. That's just amazing. It's so good. What do you want? just like, shaking his head. This guy made, like, the dark night truck scene for like one tenth of the budget. It's like, they probably spent the amount of money on the dark night truck scene that he spent on the entire Terminator movie. And he's just, this is that Roger Corman, like, I'm going to figure out a way to do it.

And actually, like, the dope thing is, is like, just mechanically, you're just like, it's such a fascinating scene because you're waiting and waiting and waiting for the truck to blow. And then when it tells you're like, oh, it's the end of the movie. And then you look down and you're like, wait, there's. 21 minutes left. Yeah. Oh yeah.

Yeah. And then he comes out of the, out of the fire. And now he's officially the robot. I just, the degree of difficulty doing that scene in 1984, I don't understand it. There's no, you could go back to all the movies from 75 to 84. That scene looks like it could have been filmed a week ago. Yeah. I don't know how he did it.

It's amazing. The last one I have is the ending, the Mexico. It's so good. Great headband. Great headband. She seems different, which I think is really important and so crucial for setting up Terminator 2. She is not the 18-year-old kid who's the waitress, who's frazzled. She's now weathered.

She's seen some shit. Yeah. She has a purpose. She knows she has her unborn son in her body that's going to end up maybe stopping this. She sees the storm coming. Everything they do in that scene. I think it's an amazing scene. that's a really good turn for her right there because maybe like 15, 20 minutes earlier is when they have the conversation where where Reese explains everything. And she's like, do, basically, do I look like I could be that kind of person? Look at me. I'm terrified. And then the movie ends with her. Reese dies. She has to basically kill the Terminator by herself. And then after she does that, her whole energy changes. And then also I really like the thing with a with a picture. We have this great scene with Reese explaining. Like, I don't know where this picture came from, but you're, you're, you're,

your son gave it to me and I looked at it forever and I always wondered what you were thinking. And then we get to see it happen. It's just such a fun like Leonardo DiCaprio pointing at the screen meme in real time. And it's one of those things, the first time you see the movie, you might not make the connection with the picture. But the 75th time you watch the movie, you get, it all makes sense. What's the most rewatchable scene for you, Chris? I think it's the, it's techno. I think it's probably techno.

I have that, too. that or the precinct assault, but Technoire is like, that's where there's, there's just those moments in movies, you know, um, I think it's when, you know, when, when, uh, when Neo gets the phone call inside the office, you know what I mean for Morpheus? It's like that moment in a movie where you're like, wait, what's happening? And in Technoir, it's like when Arnold gets up from the shotgun shots, you're like, wait a second, how are they going to kill this guy? Like, how are they, How are they going to defeat this thing? So, TechnoWore is mine.

That's, that's the, the big takeaway that I got from that scene. And sort of my favorite thing from this movie is because by this point, we've, we've had Terminator in our lives for, you know, 30-some-odd years. You walk into a Terminator movie. I walked into Terminator Dark Fate with this sort of implicit understanding that it was going to be beyond difficult to kill whatever this new Terminator was. And when the first one came out, you had no idea what the rules were. You had no idea how much force it was going to take to kill them,

specifically when he walks out of the fire. Because that's supposed to be when the bad guy dies, and he's still coming. And then, like, he gets blown up, and now he's half of himself, and he's still coming. And you're just like, Jesus Christ, how do we kill this thing? What has to happen here?

I think that's, like, one of my favorite things about this movie. What's age the best? How good is the title? I mean, just like we take the title for granted, but is there a better title? There's probably not a better title than the Terminator, right? We just had it. We had something back then where we were just like, you know what this movie is called?

Alien. You know what this movie's called? What's the family? Hellerly Hills cop. First blood. First blood was another one, right? Just like you could explain the title in two words and it got you excited and it rolled off the tongue and it led to sequels. I don't know.

I don't know what, it was all the cocaine back then. I think was really good for titles. I just want to know, like, what was. When Schwarzenegger would walk in and be like, what's this movie called? And they were like, uh, Commando or a predator. He was probably just like, the first time he probably got offered a movie with more than one word in the title, he was probably like, uh, I'm not so sure about this. Even karate kids are a good, a good title.

There's just a lot of it. It's a kid who does karate. What do you want? So good. More would stage the best. Arnold as a robot, we covered it, like just A-plus casting. And there's so many good Arnold has a robot. moments, but I almost had this a rewatchable, most rewatchable scene, but I'll put it here.

I fucking love when he buys the guns. I could watch that over and over again. Give me that one over there. Give me that. Who's the 9mm. The 12-gauge auto-loader. That's a tiny. You can go pump or auto.

The 45 long slide with laser siding. He's a brand new. We just got them in. That's a good gun. You just touched the trigger. The beam comes on. and you put the red dot where you want the bullet to go. You can't miss.

Anything else? Phased plasma rifle in the 40-watt range. Hey, just what you see, pal. The Uzi 9mm? He's just calling out. I just fucking love it. I could have gone on for five more minutes. He could have named every gun in the shop.

And the guy, the clerk there thinks like, oh, this is a patriot. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. This is a person I connect with right here. And then they end up turning. Okay, one thing I want to say, to ask, I don't know if this is like going to come up later, but since we're talking about it here,

in that scene, specifically in that scene, they do a shot from like behind the counter or from perpendicular to the counter where we see the clerk and then the counter in the middle and then Arnold. And he is so much bigger. He's so big than this guy. Like Arnold in real life is like 6-1-6-2. But in this scene, they make him look like seven feet tall. Are they doing this? Like, was this intentional? Is he on a riser? Is the other guy down a little bit? Or did it just happened to be that way? They probably some chicanery with that. Dick Miller might be like 5-2.

Like, I mean, it's possible that, like, that guy would just be like a short character actor. Morewood stage the best. The Bill Paxton cameo is just great. Unbelievable. Right out of repo, man. Yeah. Nice night for a walk, eh?

The thing goes, nice night for the walk, eh? Craig says Dick Miller is 5-5, by the way. I was almost there. Wow. Hey, Shay, I have some trivia for you about Bill Paxton. Give it to me. The only actor ever to have been killed by a Terminator, an alien, and a predator.

That's awesome. That's true. That's very true. Yeah, that's really good. Yeah, figured you would like that. That's really good. All right, Pete Bill Paxton. We love that guy.

How Arnold says Sarah Connor. Sarah Connor. So I'm guessing she was named Sarah Connor before they cast Arnold, but the, just the kismet of that being the person. perfect name for him to say, Kala. Yeah. Yeah, there's a bunch of other, like, it wouldn't have worked if he was like,

I am looking for Julia Louis Dreyfus. Right. Lance Henriksen and Paul Winfield as the cops. Kind of like overqualified. It's so good. It was like a real guy from the 70s. They also just have that scene where they are every cop from the 80s where like he's smoking a cigarette,

eating a tums, drinking a coffee that has a cigarette put out in it, that's two hours old and also lighting another cigarette. And it's like kind of this dark depressing police station. Everything about it is this whole movie is just so dark. Cameron's vision of the mid-80s, Los Angeles, is pretty cool. Just to connect those two things, Bill, one of my favorite low-key lines in the movie is when Linda Hamilton calls from Tech Noir.

And Paul Winfield picks up and she's like, I'm in a nightclub called Tech Noir on Pico. And he's like, oh, I know it. Does Traxler like go to Techmoire and his off hours and just hear some music? They have good coffees with cigarettes in them. Cameron's fishing in mid-80s Los Angeles is kind of what it's like now to be in Los Angeles as it's gotten weirder and darker. My favorite two Schwarzenegger lines, fuck you asshole. Fuck you asshole. And give you your address there.

Give me your address there. The way he says is just, I don't know. I think those are my two favorite. I love both of those. So Schwarzenegger apparently tried to have I'll be back changed. Because he couldn't say it. Yeah.

And he wanted to have it be, I will be back. And they had a huge fight on the set, him and Cameron. And Cameron's like, say the fucking line. It was like one of those. Like the testosterone's rising. And Cameron won. And I would say that decision age the best because that was the iconic line

of the movie and probably the most iconic line of his career. We didn't mention the Terminator soundtrack yet. Talk about it. So there's this era from, I would say, 80 to 85 with the synthesizer heavy soundtrack. Kind of cheesy. Almost sounds like it's on a $50 Cassio, but still really cool. da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. Carpenter does his own Vangelis for the Blue.

Blade Runner soundtrack. Yeah, like the top gun soundtrack. That's my, that's my pick for what age the best at, dun, dun, because any time you hear that now, you're like, all right,

let's fucking do this. It's, see, that's like very carpentry with it. Uh-huh. I'm going to fast forward. The Harold Faltermeyer of it all comes together there. Does the,

uh, it climbs up. That's very 80s. I don't think they do this anymore. All right. I'm done with that tangent. Next to what stage is the best for me. I have a few more, actually.

I came across time for you, Sarah. Best way ever for somebody to get laid? I don't know what's a better line. If you're trying to hook up with somebody, then. I came across time for you, Sarah. I already been shot. I came across time for you. That could have played totally differently.

Like imagine the real-life version of this is like I saw a picture of you on the internet. So I moved from Los Angeles to Colorado for you before anything. There's no way that that works out good. And he went way. I moved across the United States for you, Sarah. And he went through time on a one-way trip. He could never go back. And also when you go back, you're going to have to kill the most unkillable thing in the world.

but you know, you want to go see this girl, so good luck. That was wild. That was wild to re-watching that part. I don't know if this age is the best or the worst. It's going to get uncomfortable for 10 seconds, but the sex scene was a big 80s. I have a couple of things I'd like to talk about. Big 80s.

Just in general with sex in this movie, I have a couple of notes. There's a big 80s cable sex scene in this. We didn't have a lot of nudity in the 80s. There was Playboy magazine and whatever was on HBO. And Apollonia purifying herself. Michael Bien's O face in this is like he's passing a kidney stone. I actually thought that's what sex was like for a while in the 80s. That was very painful.

She climbs on him and it's like she's on like a, it's like a rodeo. She's like riding a bull at an urban cowboy. It's just there wasn't a lot of nudity and sex back then. And to throw that in this movie in the way they did it was like, holy shit. And it was like, yeah, all right, they're making John Connor now. here we go. And it was just alarming. That's a good euphemism for sex.

You want to go make John Connor? You want to go make the leader of the resistance? It's pivotal. But Linda Hamilton, like, you know, she really went for it. I thought the whole thing, it really tied into the movie, though. I thought it was smart. I did it. The special effects we should mention, too.

There was this team, Stan Winston, and his team of young FX girls that were doing the shit. like the robot arm, stuff like that. It was all ahead of the time. Any other what's age the best for you guys? I have a couple of what's age the worst that I feel so affectionately towards. They also have aged the best, but I'll save them for what's age to worse. We'll take a break then.

We'll do what's age. Oh, go ahead, Shay. No, I was going to say, a thing that age is the best for me, again, is just Arnold as the bad guy being unkillable will never not be entertaining. Like, it doesn't matter how many times you watch it. A really smart thing that they do here is when he gets into the fight with Rosevic, I think they do this on purpose. I think they show you a shot of Rosevic getting ready for the fight from, like, over Arnold's shoulder.

And you see Rostovic is shredded up. This is a big guy. Six foot, 195 pounds of muscle. And Arnold dispatches them like nothing. When you watch that, you're like, well, I'm not stronger than Rick Rostovic. I'm going to die. It's a good game show. Are you stronger than Rick Rassovich?

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I want to say in general, I think lasers have aged the worst. I don't know about you guys, but I definitely expected... I expected lasers to be in my life by now. Like, all of the ages. I'm like, sure, laser technology must just be right around the corner. Like, are you disappointed by the lack of lasers? Once CD showed up and they started using it regularly, you're like, oh, we're going to get the war lasers pretty soon.

Yeah. Yeah, it's a good point because that leads to my second which age of words, was this was set in 2009, which seemed like a million years after 1984, so far away. Now we're nine years away. Where are the lasers? I know. Where are the walking robots? We only have eight years left here.

Let's go. See, I disagree here. This was the first time I watched the movie. I saw like the future version. They set in 28, 29. It was the first time I can remember rewatching it. Seeing that pop up and feeling like, yeah, we're probably headed toward that. Like, I feel like we're in that nuclear war robot direction.

I think we're closer to Blade Runner than we are to Terminator. Yeah. Like I think we're closer to that, that kind of like existence than we are determined. I hope. the Terminator, when he turns officially into the Terminator robot, they just didn't have the technology to really pull off him walking, running. It's pretty cool. It's like Ray Harryhausen style, yeah.

It was very cool in 1984. Now you watch it and you wonder if Cameron, who's probably got more money than anyone, but Jeff Bezos was just looking at this going, I'm going to dip back into Terminator and just redo all these special effects for $10 million and just make this cool. but I think you could easily fix some of this stuff. Linda Hamilton's 80s hair,

this was the height of terrible haircuts like that in the beginning with like, I don't even know how to describe it. What was that, Chris? Well, they're using a ton of hairspray, but you can tell because like when Ginger and Sarah are just at the bathroom mirror, you're like, oh, these are two really normal looking people.

And then when it cuts back after Ginger has put like a whole can of Vidal. sastoon in her hair. You're like, these people look like they're about to be extras in a poison video or like something. And so it's definitely like that hair is not, has not. I think all those hair do started global warming with all the aerosol spray they needed to get that going. Yeah, as soon as she has the headband on and the Mexico scene, you're like, oh yeah, she's beautiful. But with the hair, it's just, it was not great. Arnold's swaying dong in the beginning. I don't know. I probably could have done without that. That thing's going back and forth like a grandfather clock.

Sarah Connor, she has a Honda elite motor scooter in this movie. You think that's aged poorly? It's aged the worst for me because that was the exact motor scooter that I crashed two years later in 1986 and almost died. So every time I see it. Did you want it because you saw it in Terminator? No, that was an awesome motor. Those things could go up to like 65 miles an hour. Those things were great. And they didn't have a stick shift. You could just fly with those. Unfortunately, I took it a little too seriously. Another one's aged the worst. So a writer named Harland Ellison believed the screenplay was based on a short story and episode of the Outer Limits

he had written titled Soldier and wanted to sue. And the studio settled in 1986 and gave him money and acknowledgement credit and later Prince of the film. And Cameron was furious about it. He was like, I didn't fucking steal anything, but there's a whole thing about that. Anything else stage the worst for you? Yeah. I want to talk a little bit about Ginger's post-sex snack

because I think it's I think as a society we've really moved away from that and I want to interrogate a little bit. I talked a little bit about this on the skyfall rewatchable so forgive me but the idea of making a giant ham and cheese sandwich with celery and peanut butter and a towering

glass of ice cold milk after sex I don't think I would be curious to know whether any of our listeners do indulge that way. Because it seems like we've become a lot more body conscious now. And we've got a lot of people out there who aren't really doing dairy in general. But it just seems like we just got done screwing. What do you want?

I want a huge sandwich at like 11 p.m. That's like an 80s horror movie trope, right? Because they had to get the sex scene and then figure out some way to get a person into a dark kitchen. The lights are never on. Nobody ever turns the lights on in the kitchen. It's like, I'm going to make this sandwich in the dark. Halloween is my favorite version of that. when they do it with Michael Myers.

Yeah. I love when he comes up and he's got like, he puts a sheet on over his mask with the boyfriend's glasses as well. Like he was, he's just fucking playing around at this point. And she has no idea anything's going on. He won't talk.

She's like, this is fine. This isn't weird at all. I do feel like in the 80s and 90s, there was often a scene where there's a guy, you know, like, and he's in the kitchen and it's really late at night. And he's essentially making himself a dinner. And then somebody else comes in

the kitchen and he goes, can't sleep. And he's like, no. Yeah, it's like, yeah, you can't sleep because you're eating lasagna at two in the morning. You're like, guess what? You're not supposed to have like a third supper. But, uh, the big show, the big show has one of those where Joe Beth Williams's husband is just eating cereal at three in the morning. And the other thing, it's like, hey, what are you doing it? The other thing I was, uh, wanted to point out was that, um, the iguana. I feel like we've really gotten a way from, like, uh, like cute pets, like weird. off-brand non-cat dog house pets. But that was a big thing in the 80s and the 90s movies.

It's just like, oh, it's my tarantula. Like Buzz McAllister has a tarantula. And it's like a big thing. The last thing I wanted to say that age is the worst. I wanted to hear what you guys had to say about this is I think that John Conner's message to Sarah that he gives Kyle sucks. I'm just going to read it to you guys really quick.

He is giving a message to his mother who is not yet pregnant with. him across time. And his messages, thank you, Sarah, for your courage through the dark years. I can't help you with that what you must soon face, except to say that the future is not set. You must be stronger than you imagine you can be. You must survive or I will never exist. No love John. No, hey, mom, look into Mexico because that's where we grow up. None of that. It's just like, hey, sleep with this guy so I can be bored. You know? Yeah, or throw in a PS, go to Vegas in 1986 and bet on the Celtics.

They're definitely going to win the title. Villanova is going to beat Georgetown. Use the money from Villanova's upset to pay for the resistance. You're right. That was a terrible letter. Casting what ifs. So after the studio bought the script, Shay, you're going to love this. I bet Chris already knows because he likes to secretly do all the research.

Mike Medevoi pushed for OJ Simpson as the Terminator. Yikes. And Arnold Schwarzenegger as Reese. Yikes. That's a bad movie. Cameron explained the OJ thing saying this was when everybody loved him. And ironically, that was part of the problem. He was this likable, goofy kind of innocent guy.

Frankly, I wasn't interested in an African-American man chasing around a white girl with a knife. It just felt wrong. Mm-hmm. There's a lot to unpack there. Let's just move on. I'm not 100% sure this is true, but this was in all the research. Slice Stallone and Mel Gibson turned down The Terminator.

That being said, every movie in the 80s, the casting what-ifs are Slice Stallone and Bill Gibson, turn down the main rules. This is true because it was confirmed on the Howard Stern Show. Tom Selleck was approached to be The Terminator and couldn't do it because of Magden P.I. And the reason he was approached is because they wanted the Terminator to be

in every man type of look that could blend in in a crowd. And Cameron's biggest fear was Schwarzenegger was he stood out so much. It seemed unrealistic that he could blend in as this killing machine. And then he realized like, fuck it. It's actually better to have this guy

who looks unstoppable. There's a lot of stuff on the internet about who might be Reese. The only one that seems real is sting. Love it. That would have been cool. That would have been cool. I'm actually kind of into it.

I love Michael Bean, but Sting is a, Sting, that's a fun one. Michael Bean, he seems like kind of a prick. He said, he talked about when he took the movie, when I told my actor friends that I was doing a movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger, they kind of snickered at me and said, well, good luck with that. He said, Arnold has obviously gone on to prove himself over and over again, but you have to remember where people thought of him at the time. So I think Mike was like, eh, doing this for the money.

Three people audition for Sarah Connor that I think would have been really fascinating. And I love Linda Hamilton in this movie. Leah Thompson, Gina Davis, Rosanna Arquette. Rosanna Arquette would be, Rosanna Arquette would be my choice. I think she could have done it.

I think Gina Davis is maybe a little too tall. Right, she doesn't seem like she'd be in danger. enough because she's like 5-11. Rosanna Arquette just also seems like, you know, like cool punk rock new wave waitress at a

LA diner like that. Yeah. Yeah. She's the pick. This would have been an interesting Madonna role too. Yeah. Because especially she was a little

unknown. Ding and Madonna terminated the musical. That's what we're doing. Cameron, uh, he said the one person he seriously considered was

Jennifer Jason Lee. Oh. And she was the backup choice to Linda Hamilton. Yeah. Hamilton is perfect. in this. Perfect. Best that guy,

aka the Joey Pants Award. Is Rick Rossovic of that guy? I need to rule. No, no. He's Rick Rossovich, right? And he's also, I think he's too, he moves into the Dionne Wader Zone. He's like Talon Horton Tucker.

He's taking Kuzma's minutes here. Right. Paul Winfield and Lance Henriksen, definitely not that guy's. Is there that guy other than the doctor who then shows up in Terminator 2? He's almost like that guy from Terminator 2, but he's the doctor in this movie.

Dick Miller's that guy, right? Because he's in Gremlins, he's in howling, right? But the doctor who then ends up with a bigger scene in Terminator 2, he's that guy who's the doctor in the Terminator movies. So I almost feel like he has to win, because I don't even know what that guy's name is. I don't know. I was hoping Rick Rossovish would land here. I just love that guy.

You know him and him and Arnold Schwarzenegger were in an episode of Tales from the Crip together? Did you know that? I know. There's this episode of Tales from the Crypt where it's like some rich white guy or old rich white guy, he's like trying to court some younger woman. She doesn't like him because he's old. So he starts paying to like get cosmetic surgery. They replace his face.

And then she's like, oh, but your body is old. They replace his chest. Oh, but your legs are old. They replaces legs. Okay, but now you're poor because you spent all your money on this. And Rick Rosovich is the guy that they're using the pieces from. So it ends with him as this like broke old young guy. something like that,

but the episode starts with Arnold Schwarzenegger talking about bodybuilding and this and that. It's cool. I think you directed it if I'm not mistaken. Wow. That's a lot of tales from the Crip background. You love that show though. That was one of your favorites. I loved it. I loved it so much.

The Vincent Hanna, give me all you got a word for overacting. I mean, there's only one candidate. Our guy, Mike, dials it up. Come with me if you want to live. Yeah, it's being, right? dials it up. He is going for it. Come with me if you want to live.

He's like, there's an outside chance I might get nominated. I'm just every scene I'm going fifth year. The Dan Waiters Award, Rossovich. It's Roscovich. It has to be Rossovich. Yes. Yes. Finally. It's Rossovich or Paxton, and I think it's Roscovich.

Paxton's like in it for 30 seconds. I think it's Roscovich because solely for... Don't make me bust you up, man! Well, he's got the phone call. Yeah. He's got the weird sex scene, and then he's got basically not scared at all of this giant 300-pound guy standing over his bed.

What do you think Matt, his character's job was in L.A. at the time? His security guard. He's a production assistant. Productions. He's trying to break in. You don't think he was like a low-level cocaine dealer, maybe? Oh, that's interesting. Like just starting out?

Just getting, just getting... Bill, did you read the script when Chris? Chris sent it, the Terminator script or the treatment or whatever? I glanced through it, yeah. So I was reading through it and the description in the beginning, like James Cameron was writing his ass off in this thing. But the description of the Terminator basically punching a hole in the guy's stomach in the very beginning, it's so good to read it on the page.

I read it before I rewatched it. And it was like, I can't wait to see this scene. And then they do it perfectly. I can't believe the movie starts out with him punching a hole. in someone's stomach. Quickly on Rostovich, does losing it in 1983, Streets of Fire, The Terminator,

Top Gun. Top Gun. Can you remember his Top Gun character's name, Shay? Oh, I don't, but I just, I know who he, I mean, he's Ice Man. Chris? Guy. Do you remember who he played?

No, I mean, I... Slider. Slider. Slider? Slider. I was going to say, you stink. I was going to say Warlock, but I couldn't remember, yeah. And then Roxanne, which was

his big kind of top gun, Roxanne, it felt like it was like buy some Rick Roscovich rookie cards. This is happening. He's good with that. And then that was it. Recasting couch, this is an easy one for me. So Linda Hamilton's friend who makes the sandwich, who has sex with Rick Roscovich. I don't know who that actress is.

Do we know who that is? I can check real quick. She didn't really go on much. Her name is Best Mata. Yeah. Here's the thing. You put Demi Moore in that role. She's in for 10 minutes. It's early general hospital, Demi Moore. Blame it on Rio Demi Moore.

She's not really anything yet. But then everything happens with her after. It's like, oh, wow, she's in that Moot, Terminator for 10 minutes. That's incredible. It's such a good role in that. I didn't like the actress on it. Half Ascent Internet Research, the initial outline had two Terminators being sent to the past. Terminator Dark Fate, baby.

Let's go. The first was the one we ended up with the same. second was made of liquid metal could not be destroyed with conventional weaponry, but they didn't have the technology. So they kind of packed it away for Terminator, too. When they did the pitch meetings for this, Cameron had Lance Henrick saying, because they were friends, show up dressed as the Terminator doing Terminator stuff to try to show the studio. People don't do enough shit like this anymore, man. He's wearing a leather jacket. He had fake cuts on his face, gold foil in his teeth, kicked open a door to an office and sat in a chair.

I wish if we interviewed a person today, I wish that they would like show up in a full Alex Caruso uniform. You know what I mean? I wish they like it was like, oh, it's like, young intern wants to get a job basketball ready. And it's like, here I am in my full caruso. He speaks, Schwartzinger speaks 17 lines in the movie, fewer than 100 words.

This is classic Michael Bean. Chris probably knows this, but to get into Reese's character, Bean studied the Polish resistant movement in World War II. Yeah. And read some books on it to get really fired up. because he felt like it reminded him of that a little bit. Skinny, intense energy.

We mentioned the Dino D. Laurentis thing. So Linda Hamilton either had a badly sprained ankle or a broken ankle, depending on what you read, and had heard it before the filming. But when you see her running, her running's really kind of awful in this movie. It looks like she's just not athletic at all and not somebody that would become Terminator 2, Linda Hamilton.

But she's running because her ankle's like really hurt. So if you see her in those running scenes, she's injured. So that's why they did like weird edits with that. Two suggestions the studio put forward. One was a K-9 android for Reese, which Cameron squashed. And then the other one was, can you develop the love interest stuff with Sarah and Reese, which is how we end up at that hotel room scene.

Yeah. Except that. Schwarzenegger worked with guns every day for a month to prepare for the role. would come handy for him for the rest of the 80s. He wound up getting a compliment in Soldier of Fortune for how realistic his gun handling was. He is really good. I mean, that is a staple of the two Terminator movies.

It's how good he is with these giant guns. Cameron got fucked with this movie. Before he made Terminator, he had gotten rid of his agent. He tried to represent himself, didn't realize that he should have protected himself with the rights, and got cut out of turtimore.

Terminator 3, Terminator Salvation, and Terminator Genesis. And then there was some copyright law thing where in 2019, after 35 years, the copyright reverts back to the creator, apparently. But he never received royalties for anything until that moment. So now he gets royalties. That's wild. The good news for him is he's doing fun. Yeah.

He made Titanic. He's okay. He refers to this lost income as the cost of a Hollywood education. the person who leaves the answer machine message breaking the date with Sarah Connor, James Cameron. Stan, yeah. Estimated body count, Shea, want to guess? Dead bodies in this movie? 51.

So it's somewhere between 39 and 42, depending on how many deaths happen in techno are. Yeah. Apex Mountain. Next category. Arnold, no. James Cameron, no. Linda Hamilton, no. What about our guy Mike, Chris?

I think aliens. I think Beatton's better in aliens than he isn't Terminator. 80s Los Angeles? I mean, do you include Blade Runner in that? You can. Do you include Fletch in that? I don't know.

So you can make a case. Terminator and Fletch, they're right around the same time. This could have been Apex for 80s Los Angeles. Beverly Hills Cop, Terminator, and Fletch. Yeah, this is it. This is the Apex Valley's Los Angeles. Plus, we have the Lakers.

We got magic. We got the 85, Lakers. I'm going to say, yeah. Downhill from there. What was a, what's James Cameron's apex? Well, I mean, I would say Titanic. Yeah, in terms of like the strict reading of Apex Mammoth is probably Titanic. Yeah.

Okay. I thought, I thought Aquaman in entourage. That's what I was hoping for. Cheesy 80s hotel room sex might be the Apex. I don't know. I'm just trying to rack my brain and trying to remember if there was anything more. more signature. Do you guys think that this is the best version of time travel? Like, is this Apex Mountain for time travel? Because it's like time travel where they're like, that's a good conversation to have.

They make it as a good, it's just like clean. Like they're like, I came back in time to protect you from this person who came back in time to kill you. All movies after that with time travel, it gets into all this like Marty McFly disappearing from the picture. And here are all the rules. And here's how like the loops work. And here's how like, we get to ten it where like it's basically incomprehensible. So old school, old school time travel. Just like I showed up in a bowl of lightning naked, and that's it. That's time travel. How about Raybans?

Rebans? Apex for Raybans? Maybe. Are a Raybant? Is that what he's wearing? What Arnold is wearing? I don't know. Sunklaces is good, though.

I think Top Gun is a better sunglasses movie. Okay. You got me there. All right. Fuck. Rasevich, no. Yeah, that's Top Gun. The Pico 80s bar scene.

Chris, I don't think it gets any better than Technoire. It's on Pico. It's basically, I would say Los Angeles nightclubs in general. There's this. And then there's BJs on Alvarado from Heat. And that's it. Meet me at BJs on Alvarado at 2 a.m. Motherfaga.

Be there. Pick a Knits. So Sarah Connor's 18 in this movie. And I didn't really fully realize that, even though I've seen this movie a million times and Terminator 2 a million times. And in Terminator 2, they say how old she is. And they say she's 28 and it's been 10 years since Terminator 1. She's doing a lot for an 18-year-old. Like, she's on her own an apartment with a roommate who seems like she's 25. Rick Rossovich seems like he's in his mid-20s. She's got a waitressing job. It just seems young.

All of it seems young to me. I think a thing happens in your brain when you watch a movie that has somebody in it who's older than you, even if they're like, even if you're 12 when you watch this, that's about how old I was. And I watched it and I see Lena Hamilton. She's not 18. She's like automatically like in her mid-20s. Like every adult when you're younger is somewhere around that. Like they just know shit. You get older and you realize, oh, she was 18. Like this is a child. We're talking about a child right here. You know what I'm saying? She's two and a half years older than my daughter, which is really strikes with that. It's like my daughter's not ready to be living in L.A. but on her own with a roommate and working as a

waitress and fighting the Terminator. We mentioned 2009 how that seems too close. I kind of wish they had gone with 20169, something like that. Although I guess that would have screwed up the John Connor timeline of the whole thing. So the writers admitted

that the whole thing we talked about earlier about, only things surrounded by living tissue can go back in time. They were like, that has no scientific basis at all. Because because it leads to a good nitpick of

if they need to stop this Terminator, why wouldn't Reese have brought back more people with them? Why is it just Reese? We need to send back like 20 people to stop the Terminator? There's a whole bunch of the movies over in five minutes if they make two different decisions. And then the other one for me, I just would have more questions for a guy

who came from the future and was completely devoted to me. I would have wanted to go through each decade. I would have wanted to find out more. Tell me about this. Do we still have sports? Yeah. She's just nonplussed with this encyclopedia she has from 45 years later and all the questions she could ask. She's kind of cool with the information he gives and that's it. Yeah, I think that Sarah at this moment in time is maybe not the most inquisitive person. You know what

I mean? She's like working at a restaurant. Like this guy shows up. He's got cool sneakers on. You know, like she kind of rolls with it. My big thing is, my big nitpick is that there's one point where Kyle's explaining a bunch of stuff to Sarah and then he kind of gets flustered like, I don't know, I'm not a tech guy. And he's like, maybe you should have sent a tech guy back in time. Yeah, brought an IT guy with you.

I kept trying to figure out how the machines figured out how to time travel, but they couldn't figure out what Sarah Connor looked like. And there's a picture of her somewhere. Like, why do we not know that? Why does Reese not know what the Terminator looks like? We saw later on, like they created,

mass versions of this same Terminator. There's a blueprint here. One more is, and this movie, every time the Terminator gets hurt, he tries to hide that he's the Terminator. Like, he puts the glasses on for his eye or the coat or whatever. But they stopped doing that in all of the other Terminator movies. They're just like, this is the thing.

Deal with it. Yeah. Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show? So initially, I rejected this, and then I started thinking about it. There's a world in which you could, this could be a TV show and you could set up a lot more backstory

with all of it. The special effects would be better and the whole concept of this person dropping into a world with one intent to kill somebody over the course of 10 episodes. I kind of feel like I would watch that. I know Shay would and Chris,

I don't know if you would be... I have some Terminator fatigue and I do think that there's a conversation to be had about whether or not this is like... So Terminator 1, they make it. Terminator 2, I think, is essentially what he would have liked to have made with Terminator 1, but with better special effects and a bigger budget and all this other stuff.

Then all the other movies that come after that is trying to build out the lore of the world. But if you were going to do this as a Netflix show, like, I don't know necessarily that this is an idea that needs a franchise, but I think if you were going to do as a Netflix show, the coolest thing to do would be to cross-cut from the world after the world. with like the robots and Kyle and John and everybody to the pre. Oh, so like do Godfather 2 style back and forth. Yeah, and then make that to show and then be waiting for the two things to collide, basically. The future stuff is the least interesting part of all of that to me. It's like why I didn't care too much for the other ones.

Terminator Dark Fate fucking rules. And that's one point. Number two, Cobra Kai sort of ruined this category for me because I would have never watched a karate kid Netflix series and then Cobra Kai came out and I was like oh fuck

so you're down for any idea okay I can't have to yeah I kind of am too how about Sarah Connor

right now should be Linda Hamilton just now yeah it's perfect that's what they did in Dark Fate Dark Fate was a

direct sequel to Terminator 2 and Linda Hamilton is in that one just sort of kicking ass is Ralph Macho in that or no

is that good probably in answerable questions is if we had to pick sci-fi film or horror film what would you pick have to pick horrify i think i would go sci-fi um did reese know he was john connor's father producer craig asked this but i had it down too did he know he had to have sex with sarah connor i don't think so i say no too i think john connor deliberately held it against him because he didn't

want to mess with nature yeah is this a more fun movie of kyle reese lives No, this is the big thing about Michael Bean's career. It's like he doesn't live through the first Terminator and he doesn't live through aliens. Really? I mean, he dies in an alien, arriving in Alien 3, right? Could the Seagor Ben, Kyle Reese lives and then they move in together, but he's still fucking maniac. We've got to do this.

We've got to get a cheeseburger at Alvarado. He has to, he has to. But what if Terminator 2 had just been like Kyle and Sarah go to Mexico, but then Kyle's like, dude life in Mexico is sick like it's so much better than Los Angeles in 2009 where there's just like machine stepping on skulls I'm going to go like live in Mexico City what about they they moved to Mexico but he's he's just too intense for her and she breaks up with him he's like you can't break up with me I'm here to save you're saying dude you're freaking me out we're broken up nobody walked out of Terminator saying I would like

to see more of Kyle Reese everybody was just like I want to see Arnold again I want to see the Terminator again very fair point you have you have you You have to have him die in that. Should we ever have doubted that Sarah Connor was going to make it because you can't change the past? I guess that's the crucial dilemma in every time travel movie. It's like we, you break your brain thinking about it. That's the loop that gets me all of the time. Everything is seamless up until then.

You're like, well, wait a minute. This is all happening. It's happening in the circle. I don't know. End game kind of explained it with the different streams, but who knows? Nobody has ever explained it to my satisfaction. This is a question specifically for Chris. I'm sorry, Shay.

It's an L.A. question. Although, She's been to L.A. many times. Where was Tech Noir on Pico? What part of Pico? What was the Cross Street? Was it toward the Culver City side of Pico? Was it more downtown L.A.? It's downtown.

Because I think she goes to 7th and Broadway. There's some reference to 7th and Broadway right after that. But here's the problem. They leave, they leave Technoire and they're in the car and they're chasing and Arnold's in the cop car and says, I'm approaching Overland. Overland is all the way down toward Culver City. And there's that part of Pico where there's some bars and stuff. Sure. And I almost wonder if like... So you think this is more Culver than Mid City or downtown? Well, then it's like, I don't think she was living in downtown LA because nobody lived in downtown in the 80s. I think they were on like the Culver City side of LA, but trying to use downtown

LA too because it just looked better for the movie. I feel like she and Ginger live like off of Beverly somewhere, like in a little apartment complex, right? Yeah, I was going to say like near like Barney's Beinerie. All right. Enough LA talk. No, that's okay. Shea. This is my big unanswerable question. The idea of the phone book killer. that somebody ripped open a phone booth page and was like, I'm just taking out all three Sarah Connors until I get the one I want.

How has there not been a movie about a phone booth killer? I don't know, but that was really cool to watch. Oh, but yeah. Right. I guess nobody uses phone books anymore, but in the 80s, 90s,

how did somebody not rip that off and be like, phone book killer? That's a new franchise for us. He's doing the JAs today. Here's another one. Why does it cut? Why doesn't Kyle Reese go back in time to two weeks before this and say,

Unlist your number? That's it. We could have avoided all of this. He could have beaten it. Phone book killer, I think, would have been a good gimmick. Shea, what piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? Oh, I want the top half of the Terminator's body after he's been exploded and he's crawling around. That's what I want.

Where you put in that in your office? Yeah, right in my living room on the couch. what do you have Chris Rick Rosevic's briefs that's a good one The sandwich that she makes Yeah I have

I have the red motorcycle that Arnold's driving at one point Which I think he used for Planet Hollywood They put like in the front entrance It's a pretty famous motorcycle But that would be just an amazing thing to have

Like what's that motorcycle? Oh that's the one Arnold Road in Terminator 1 Just a good one Good talking point last one who won the movie Arnold absolutely

we went over the history everybody's doubting him going into this and then he becomes the iconic action I hate being a coward and we always try to pick a winner for this but this is one of the only times I could really see a co-winner because it's hard not to think Cameron didn't also

win the movie Cameron had a nightmare in Rome and literally thought of the Terminator have you guys ever had a dream that interesting like I haven't nor do I remember though He wakes up in the middle of the night and starts drawing it. Does Cameron's career happen anyway with or without this movie? I would argue he was so talented that it happens anyway.

I don't know if Arnold's career happens the same way without this movie. That's exactly right. We had already gotten two Conan movies and everyone was like, well, you know, whatever. He does Terminator and everyone's like, all right, I'm in for the next 30 years. Cameron was going to do what Cameron does. That point has been proven. Arnold, what's Arnold's other Terminator role? You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, because it's almost like how the Rock forever was looking for his version of The Terminator. Yes, that's exactly right. He couldn't find it. And then finally he's in Fast 5 and The Rock makes sense in a movie in the most A plus A plus A plus list way possible. And it wasn't totally there until that movie. I don't know if Arnold ever finds, I don't think people would have seen the Commando total recall. that he could have even done that stuff without this movie. I don't know.

So I'm with Shea. I would say Arnold, only because I really do think James Cameron was so talented. His career is happening anyway. So anyway, good debate. Shea, Chris, fucking pleasure. Yes. I'm glad we did this.

This is a good one. Good to see you guys. We didn't talk about, you didn't give me a yes or no. And when she says, you've been terminated, motherf-f-fif. What's her line at the end? You've been terminated motherfucker.

What did she say? Terminated fucker. We didn't even, I thought, we didn't do the best line. I was, I was gonna do that whole, it can't be reasoned with, it can't be bargained with, it doesn't feel pity or remorse or fear and absolutely will not stop ever until you're dead. One of the greatest movie lines that's ever happened.

My favorite line in the movie is when, is when Sarah asks Kyle, the women in your time, what are they like? It's like, funny you should ask, They eat rats and watch fire in the television. Well, listen, if anyone is listening to this from the future and is going to come back in a time machine to come get me, just now I'm going to ask you a lot of questions.

Yeah. About what's happening in sports? Yeah. Pushed that bed on. Are we going to have another reality show president? I'm just, I'm going to be talking about. Does Kyrie come back to the next? I have a lot of questions.

Shea, Chris, thank you. That's it for the rewatchables. On Monday, we will be doing Terminator 2, me, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathen. That movie is incredible. And if you want to hear some of the other action movies that we've done from this stretch.

So if you're talking about the action movies that changed the genre, first blood, 1982, 48 hours, 1988 282, we did that a couple years ago. Terminator,

1984. We haven't done lethal weapon yet. Die hard we did. That was 1989. I have not done Roadhouse yet. That was 1990. And then Terminator 2, 1991. It's coming Monday. See ya.