The Rewatchables - ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ With Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: October 6, 2026

It’s October, which means it’s time for a road trip to Texas for some gas station barbecue and to revisit the 1974 classic ‘The Texas Chain Saw Massacre’ directed by Tobe Hooper. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Matt Pevic Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The rewatchable is brought to by the Ringer podcast network where you can find the watch with CR himself. Here I am. Back again. Chris Ryan. Yeah. Ringer fans of a football show, Craig Horlebeck with his own camera, the Craig Cam. We're dedicated in this podcast taping on a Friday in honor of Tony Romo. Okay. Murdered by Leatherface.

In CBS this week. Just apparently not coming back. You've called for this movie for a lot. I've been thanking for it. 1974, Texas Chainsaw Masker, and it's next. Quentin Tarantino wrote, to me,

the Texas Chainsaw Massacre is one of the few perfect movies ever made. There are very few perfect movies. This is okay, since in the pursuit of cinematic art, perfection shouldn't be the goal. Nevertheless, when it's accomplished,

even by accident. It's an achievement. This movie is an achievement. And this movie is perfect. It's not humane and it's not fun and it might not be a rewatchable? I bet 90% of our audience, but it is a perfect movie.

It is a shark of a movie. I think it is a rewatchable, but I'm willing to hear the other side of it because there's some tough hangs in this movie. And there's some five-minute stretches where you're like, I'm not enjoying this, but it's all for a purpose. Yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I think that goes both sides, right? It's not only the horror slasher side of things, But even like the hanging out stuff, you're like, all right, guys, like, let's move on from, like, where my knife is. Sally! Yeah. Sally! But it's 87 minutes, right? It is...

I thought it was 83 minutes. Is it 80s? Like, yeah, whatever it is, it's under 90. I know Craig was excited when you saw the 83. I don't think it could have been 30 seconds longer. No. And I think every single frame of it and every single cut and every single thing, despite the chaos of its production, is in service of one idea, you know,

and the idea is this guy waving a chainsaw on the highway and that this is what this country in this world is. The indie horror movie legacy? Sure. This, Halloween, Blurwich, paranormal activity. We have no money. You don't know these actors, other than maybe Donald Pleasance.

And we have an idea, and we just got to grant through it, make this happen. But this invented it. I was thinking, because I always, obviously Halloween is my movie. I love it. Comes a couple of years after us.

Probably should have put the Halloween poster up instead of Farrah. I'm sorry, Farah. We have the true leather face right here. We do have feather face over there. But I just felt like Halloween invented the modern horror movie. But I forget whenever I watch Chainsaw, I'm like, no, actually, this is ground zero. Yeah, I think we probably want to say, oh, this started something, and then everything that came after was influenced by it.

you know, it's worth noting that Toby Hooper, who directed Chainsaw Massacre, went and saw Night of Living Dead. Yeah. And when he went to a movie theater to see it, there was like a line down the block. And he was like, that's how I get in. I'm going to make one of these movies, you know, with all my ideas that I have about what's happening, you know, at the end of the Vietnam War and the country and what's happening around me. But I think I have to put it in this kind of box.

I think he was genuinely, like, excited by the, by the material and probably love Night of Living Dead. But over the decades, you've seen filmmaker after filmmaker after filmmaker use horror as a way, as an entree into mainstream filmmaking and Hollywood. This created the following modern slasher. Can we call this a slasher movie? This is the first slasher, I think. And then Halloween kind of took it to another level, but the imposing killer or the mask. We have that. That ends up in Halloween, Friday 13th, everything else.

Horrifying carnage for no real reason. I think that's one of the reasons this movie is so scary. I watched it twice this week, once on an airplane. Did you have like a... That was interesting. A roommate who clocked that you were doing this? No, I had one of those pod seats so I could share it for myself. And then I watched with Ben.

What do you think? And then my wife also joined us, who'd had a couple drinks at dinner. And I don't know if she'd ever seen this movie. And the entire movie was going, what's going on? How is this a movie? Did they spend any money on this? And then the moment when Leatherface comes out of the metal door

and grabs a guy and pulls him in is just one of the great scares of all time. You just can't believe... It's like, ah, don't go in the house. Don't go in there. Even if you're superficially kind of conscious of who Leatherface is or what this movie is about,

when that happens, there's nothing can prepare you for it. There's no. No music. It's, he kind of trips, so it throws you out for a second. Metal door opens. The scariest guy you'll ever see in your life is just there. Hits him over the head with a hammer.

And they used the sound. The guy's convulsing. He's doing like the fencing position. Like he just got hit by an NFL defense event. The guy hits him again, pulls him in and slams the door. And it's just like, what just happened? So wait, do you think that on the fourth day, people start having like pro-leather face takes? Guys are like, hey, you know what, the USC kid, you know, he couldn't have known.

Right. They're defending him. They're like, well, leather face, it's a bang, bang, play. Yeah, Guy with his house. You had never seen this movie, right? That's correct. Before, we'll get to your take at the end, but what's your relationship with horror? Do you want to revisit that?

I tried to have no relationship with it until I started producing the show, and now I'm forced to have a relationship with it. But I will say, over time, I'm starting to warm up. up to horror. And I've now realized, in 2006, I'm becoming a mini-horror guy. Well, also as useful as horror has become probably one of the stories of the year outside of the Odyssey is

like the success of backgrounds and Resident Evil and Obsession and these movies. The new singles and doubles of Hollywood is horror. Yeah. Yeah. So, imposing killer of the mask, horrifying carnage for no reason. Power tools as weapons? Yeah. I mean, this is the goat. And then

the final girl. Yeah. Sally is probably the final girl. I think she's the prototype Ground Zero final girl that then gets ripped off. Basically, every Friday of 13th movie, most of the Halloween movies,

name a slasher movie, there's always one left. It's usually somebody who was the one who didn't have sex with somebody during the movie. There's always some ways to look at it. They're in peril. The screaming is super important.

I think Marilyn Burns who plays the last. girl in this might be the best screamer of all the screamers. She screams for a half hour straight. Yeah. She's like, ah! And they're doing take after take. And she looks like by the end of this, she looks like they had to like put her to a mental

institution. Yeah. I mean, the legacy that comes after this is a lot more charged morally. Like, there's a lot more like, what did this person do over the course of the movie that means that they've, like, deserved to be the final girl. This feels like she just got...

It was a coin toss. And Sally, Kate, got to live for the longest, you know? She usually could have just been in the eagle like that other lady. She wanted to go off with Jerry and look for... And look for the other couple.

So... The eagle is pretty scary. It's like, what's that banging? Oh, it's my friend in an igloo. Oh, no. Best movie Murderer Gimmicks? Leatherface, Freddy Kruger comes into your dreams.

Yeah. Chuckie, Evil Doll. Yeah. And if we're doing a Mount Rushmore for this, I think I have orphan. That was a great gimmick. That was a good recent one. I'm going to pretend I'm a 10-year-olds,

but I'm really 35 and I'm a fucking serial killer. 35. Do they have an age? Yeah. I think she's in her 30s. The Danny Almonte of killers. I'm a Romanian serial killer who finds families and pretends I'm 10.

Great gimmick. That's incredible. But like Myers didn't necessarily have a gimmick, right? He just was a killing machine. He was more of a supernatural force. Yeah. The shape. Most of them are more in that vein.

Leatherface, multiple masks. He's got some skills. Yeah. Like he's a chef. He is. He's a barbecue maestro. Not the greatest sprinter I've ever seen. No.

No. But he's got different looks. Yeah. I think operated in the chainsaw, probably not easy. Versus just carrying a knife or an axe. You're sort of a gas-dependent economy in that case. You've always got to oil it up and gas up your chainsaw.

So, yeah. Yeah, I have a lot of questions about that for later. But yeah, when you talk about slasher movie gimmicks, I thought that Thanksgiving that came out a couple years ago. Oh, yeah. I thought that guy had a good gimmick. I'm trying to think of my, I mean, leatherface is the, I think, my favorite slasher, possibly because he's at once the most realistic and human, but is also

the least explicable, you know? Like Michael Myers, they go off and they're like, oh, he was this kid. Right, right. There's a backstory. Yeah. Jason, his mom, Jason was drowned. It was the camp counselor's fault. Yeah.

These guys, they're just going crazy from the Texas heat. Also, the unintentional comedy from leather faces is 100 out of 100. And I think that's one of the reasons he's rewatchable. Every single moment with him is hilarious. Like his different looks for depending on, I'm going to wear my dinner outfit. Yeah, I'm the housewife versus I'm the pretty lady. If Buffalo Bill was a 100 and 100, leather face is like a 98. But that was one of my wife's takeaway watching this last night.

She's like, what's going out with this guy? I'm like, yeah, he's leather face. Then you have Texas, which I think is in the running for creepiest horror state. Anything outside of the city of Texas? is just like... It's super hot. People seem kind of groggy from the heat. It's sprawling.

There can just be a house with no other house near anything. There's dirt roads. There's no traffic. At night, there's no lights at all. People eat weird shit. You have snakes. You have all kinds of things.

Yeah. I mean... I just don't like... You don't want to break down in Texas other than maybe Nevada. That's probably a top... There was a great movie a couple years ago called Nocturnal Animals

that Tom Ford directed that kind of touches into this of like, there's, I know that there is like a great American road trip out there for me, but part of the reason why I don't think I've done it is some, like, some of these movies. Ron Turn, Texas Chainsaw Masker, where you're just like, man, it is a long way from this piece of civilization to the next one. And I don't know what's going to happen out there. You stop at the wrong gas station?

Yeah. And you're just like, oh my God, these guys might just follow me. Right. As I drive away right now. And I think it's worth probably talking a little bit about the context. not only of like the movie like the movie business that this came out into because it has such an incredible production story

but you know I was reading about this film and there's a great long piece about the making of Texas Chainsaw Massacre and Texas Monthly from like 2000 Informed and the guy who wrote at John Bloom he summarized Joe Bob Briggs yeah he summarized it perfectly he just says

Chainsaw was the first baby boomer horror film in which pampered but idealistic suburban children trustful of anyone over 30 are terrorized by the deformed adult world that dwells on the grungy side of the railroad tracks. I was like,

that's fucking no perfect describing what this movie is. These kids who are just like bopping around like, you know, in this VW van, just kind of like want to read about astrology

and smoke dope and stuff and kind of feel a little bit untouchable and then they go off into hell. you know, and really find this like ungoverned, no law world that's right outside their door. So anytime I hear or read something like that, because I read that too, and I was like, yeah, that's a good take. Then there's the counter of me when you read how they make these movies where it's just, especially Halloween, where it's just like, what if somebody kills some babysitters? Like, yeah, just crank the cameras up, let's go. That's what happened. Toby Hooper was at a hardware store and was like,

That would be amazing. Yeah. He was in line in a hardware store going, man, it would be so cool to grab one of those chainsaws and just cut through the line. That could be a movie. And now he's in a van making it. For $60,000, and they're just kind of patching stuff together.

Sure. But this is why I didn't major in English in college. Because you could take a book and you could basically take anything out of it. And sometimes the answer is like, this guy just wanted to make a movie about somebody in a slaughterhouse who just killed some kids. It's the coolest thing about movies, though,

is that once it goes onto the screen, it belongs to everybody. It's a whole point of this podcast. Yeah, exactly. Just wait till some of my nip-hicks later. The only person who ever thought more about their movie than we have is Michael Mann. True.

Yeah. 1970s is really the birth of the modern blank. Where you have all these genres that then became the genres, which we've covered on this podcast. But, like, 1971, Dirty Harry. Modern cop. film. And like the vigilante.

There's a bad guy. Our hero needs to take them out. That's like, that's ground zero for everything that happened. Deep Throat, 1972. Some of the same producers working on Deep Throat. Oh, yeah. Can we wait to talk about that. Chainsaw 74.

Indie horror movie. We can just make a scary movie to make a lot of money. Last House on the left or the first two, I think, really. Godfather Part 2. Hey, what if we did a sequel? Yeah. Jaws, summer movie.

Yeah. Let's go for it. Modern Blockbuster. Rocky, sports movie. Star Wars, we covered that with sci-fi outer space and then Superman, 1978. Let's throw cape on somebody to make a movie out of it.

Yeah. And that's kind of, if you just go those eight movies, that's kind of what would become the next 50 years of movies. I mean, there's some other ones. We could throw mean streets in there and things like that. But for the most part, those are eight genres that kind of, And there's other ones that come like Buddy Cop and things like that. But those eight kind of become the next 50 years of movies.

And even though those movies have such a huge long-tail influence on the rest of film history to come, I don't know. When I go back and watch them and when I watch this movie, the quality that a lot of them share is that, like, they just feel so real to me. Like the people in them and the settings and the environments and, like, so much of it is location shooting. So much of it is finding, like actors who seem like they would be

at a gas station in Texas or would be copos for a mafia family in New York or Reno. Yeah. Just like, man, there was this quality in the 70s that was like, even though this was a big, huge Hollywood story, they felt very true to life. Even, you know, Jaws, something like that.

All those people in Jaws, you're just like, you are, you do live in this town. You do work here in the summers and stuff like that. So that's the thing I always, come back to with those 70s films. And patience. This movie, there's multiple scenes that kind of go nowhere

and aren't really fun to watch. Yeah, there's not a lot of Chekhov's gun in this movie. It's kind of like the conversations that they're having, the rhyme or reason for why one person gets killed first or second or third. There really isn't one.

I think that's kind of the point. I mean, after they pick up the hitchhiker, and then he cuts wheelchair guy, and then he gets out of the van and puts his big bloody print. they're just kind of still on the ride the next scene. They're like, hey, your horoscope. Yeah, they're like, let's go get some barbecue and go into a swimming hole.

I would just, yeah. Hey, what about that A's Dodgers series? Produce, co-composed, directed by Toby Hooper, marketed as based on true events to attract attention and poke fun at the era's political climate. So this was basically that thing at the beginning, which is really good and smart, and has been ripped off every.

since what you're about to see. We didn't know any better in 1974. People thought this happened. We didn't know any better in 1999. You saw Blair Witch. Yeah, you can still get away with this shit pre-internet. It was a little influenced by the great Ed Gein. Yeah.

Notice I said the great. So is he Rushmore for you? I was watching a documentary about him last night. He didn't kill enough people. Yeah. I had that great gimmick, but low numbers. Yeah. I thought he had everything in place.

I thought maybe his... underlying post-mortem stats of going after graves might impress you, but I guess I gotta say, you're a box score guy. For sewer killers, yeah, I'm up for the stats.

Like, digging into graves is just weird. I think that's like a different level of killer. That's like almost like a, we need to, I wouldn't even put killer in there. It's more like uber weirdo. Yeah.

Super weirdo. That's like a kink. Yeah. Yeah. It's just, it's a whole other, and you're cutting skin off and making masks.

Like, I don't, that's not just going into a sorority house and just butchering people. What happened to just going in and slicing somebody up? Yeah, that's like Bundy, I think, still is the goat in a lot of ways. Escaped. Didn't even try to disappear for a couple months. Just went down to Florida and got back to it. Just run the ball. Yeah.

Big Zee on your list. Not Zedrinus. Zodiac killer. Well, but there might have been two. Yeah, and you don't like the fact that he never took credit and kind of like became, like, just put a face to the name, right? Yeah, I like numbers, fear. I like when they put fear into the community or a city or even nationally.

Sure. Like, this guy's on the loose. Ed Gain was just a fucking weirdo. Yeah. You could always tell by how good or bad the Netflix show, the 10-episode Netflix show about the serial killer. Like, they didn't run about Lizzie Borden. I didn't watch it.

I did not either. I was like, eh, now we're reaching. But Bundy, they keep going back to that every six, seven years. But Ed had a big footprint in Hollywood. A lot of people, Silence of the Lambs, touched on Ed Gein. So, like, he was a big, big deal. And, well, there was, there was some extra stuff with him about the mass. Yeah.

Identity. There's, there's themes like you can get into with the, what, what is his purpose that people seem to be fascinated by. But yeah, he touched, I mean, Manhunter. Basically, all the, all the Thomas Harris books. Do you think Netflix is worried that we're running out of serial killers? No, I think that they, they'll just, I'm not that they're going to make their own serial killers.

Commission one? No. That would be amazing. That would be truly like we're in the running man now. That would be a cool, dramatic story. No, but the thing is, they just need to work harder.

To find them? Find more killers. Yeah. They're out there. They should have their own investigative unit that goes out and find serial killers and that should be its own show. I'm sure they do.

I always picture like the Netflix, the meeting where they're trying to come up with the next idea and they keep coming back to ones they've already rejected where they're like, what about Wayne Williams? I still feel like there's something there and people are like, no, no, children, Atlanta, no,

out, can't do that one. It's like, how many years ago do we do Bundy? Like, ah, it's 2020. It's like, fuck. Can we do the six year anniversary of Bundy's last mini series? Bundy had a brother. Anyway,

I find, for you mentioned this, I found this is based on a true story very effective. It is not based on a true story. And that fake out and that feeling like, am I watching a snuff film? Am I watching real people?

Am I watching? Like, that was, what was the first time you saw it? Do you remember? My dad took me in there was this place. I think it was in Austin in 1980. It was basically like a precursor to almost like the Alamo draft house type places. And you would go and they would serve food and beer and they would show movies. Not in the combat zone, though.

No, no, no. It was in Austin, which is next to Boston. and we saw it there and it was fucking scary. And at that point it was probably like, you know, I was just making him take me to horror movies. Which you probably should. I was probably like 11. Oh, Jesus.

Like, we got to go bang out leather face, dad. But the thing I remember is, I don't remember much, but I do remember being like, is anything going to happen in this fucking movie? You know, this 30 minutes patch. You're like, all right. And then Leatherface shows up. And it's pure chaos and fear for 50 minutes.

The other phase shows up and hits like a 550-foot homer and then does a home run trap. And you're like, oh, I get it. Okay. Now I'm scared. But you're right. There's something about the patience of these old movies combined with, you know, we don't see a lot of the murder. Like, even when he kills wheelchair guy, you don't really see it. I feel like now it would be like the chainsaw would be in his torso.

That's it. And when you watch the second one, it's way more. Yeah, it's so much more graphic. And, you know, there was always this debate about whether Hooper was cutting this movie to somehow get, like, I guess, a PG-G-13 existed back then. That's been dispelled. I think what he really wanted was not to get an X, you know, rating and wanted to get an R. But in any case, whether it was cutting for sensors or whether it was just simply not having special effects that they could do blood spray and everything else, it's way more effective. that, for instance,

you're seeing Franklin getting cut up from behind and not... You see Leatherface coming down on the wheelchair guy from behind, not, like, right up. Well, the single scariest moment, in my opinion, other than when we first see Leatherface is after he hangs

the girl who doesn't survive on the meat hook, and she's on the meat hook. That's Pam, right? Yeah, obviously going to die, but she hasn't died yet. And then he's like, I'm going to go back to work. On Kirk.

And gets the chainsaw. But you don't see him chainsaw and Kirk, but you see her face watching it? Yes. And I think that's part of why this movie is so fucking scary because you put yourself in these positions of like, it's actually it would be better just to die right away. I have this later. The worst part would be. I power ranked the deaths. Oh, but all right.

So we'll see. One other thing Hooper said, he was like, the film you're about to see is true. It was a response to being lied. by the government about Watergate, 73-0 crisis, the recession, Vietnam. Again, I'm not positive, I believe this. I think it makes for a great story after the fact,

but I really think it might have just been, he was in line at a hardware store and was like, what if I just used a chainsaw and killed all these people, and that just became a movie? I think it's both. I think he, you know, when he was kicking around Austin,

by the time he makes this, he's made one feature that was kind of experimental, like counterculture movie, but he's made like commercial. and docs. So he's a pretty experienced filmmaker even at a young age. And I think the opening credits with the pathologists, you know, the medical examiner photos of whatever we're seeing, in addition to the radio. Well, the news reports. Yeah, the radio and the radio is like industrial accidents, environmental disasters, inexplicable violence. And this is the world that these people are

growing up in and this is what they find out there and what would be the manifestation of all of the shit is this monster out there you know I really I mean I buy it I think that's right

but I also think he might have just wanted to make a movie where a guy kills everyone the chainsaw yes rare category before the categories the Stephen Seagal shitting on himself award

for most unbelievable anecdote from the actual film shoot I wonder if we have the same one because they made this for 60 grand in 100 heat in Texas. I just couldn't believe this. We probably do have the same one.

After getting to Grandpa's old age makeup, actor John Dugan decided he couldn't go through the five-hour process again and said, we have to shoot all of these scenes now, which they then did for the next 30 hours in 100-degree summer heat. And most of it was the dinner scene. And it was a room filled with dead animals, rotting food, and no air conditioning whatsoever.

and the stench from the rotting food and the body odor of the cast members was so terrible that people were passing out and becoming sick. They were going outside and puking and coming back into shoot. They also had blackout curtains on the windows because it was supposed to be night. Edwin Neal played the hitchhiker and he said, filming that scene was the worst time of my life. And I had been in Vietnam with people trying to kill me. It shows.

30 hours. Yeah. Think how long 30 hours is. Like, if you stay up, like, I flew back from Boston early on Tuesday, and the flight was at, like, 8.30. So we woke up at, you know, 6.30. It's easy to get to the airport. But it was 3.30 Pacific time. And then I had a podcast that day and that night.

And I probably went to bed at, I don't know, 1230, which was 3.30. So I was basically up 24 hours. And I felt like I was up for five days. Yeah. And at some point, I was like, I went to sleep. I didn't even know what time was. They went six hours past that in the heat. And they were making Texas chainsaw mask.

They were potting with Kirk. And Marilyn Burns is tied up the entire time just screaming as these guys are mocking her and torture. And they got paid like 150 bucks. Like that's it. I can't imagine anything worse. All the stories about the production of like they choose to shoot it on these 16 millimeter cameras. Yeah. But you need like all these light, all this light for those cameras.

because of something about the stock. So the amount of, like, extra heat they were generating on people just by lighting, like, interior scenes is just so crazy. That's what we try to do in here when it gets hot after about an hour. Poor Marilyn Burns. After I get twitchy, about 45 in, you're like, go-how. Jack up the heat. Make it hotter.

Marilyn Burns, who I think is arguably the... What's the category we have for somebody who is all in? I had it. The Peter North Award? most effort put into a movie? Yeah, she screams for the last 30 minutes. She has to run. The bam out of bio of screaming.

She does all over on stunts. She jumps out of two windows. They have her just running through like a branch forest, wherever the fuck that was at night. Yeah, all the brambles. And it just seems like she's getting nailed left and right. She's got like real cuts all over.

And she's the first final girl and might have been the best one. I can't imagine. Like Jamie Lee Curtis, when you look at what happened to her at the end of Halloween, it's like, cool, you fell down a staircase and you ran across the street. And you hit in a closet. Yeah, and you stab somebody. This is like 3,000 times worse.

And every one of the things that she does or experiences, like I was rewatching the truck scene at the end. Yeah. It really looks like that truck's pretty close to them. Like, as they're cutting back and forth, like the 18-wheeler hitting the hitchhound. Hiker, I was like, this is, this looks really real. I know that's a fake body, but this is, how, like, if you're making a $60,000 movie, do you really have the best stunt drivers and best, like, stunt coordinators out on there? Like, are they like-

It's funny. When you brought this up, I thought you were going to say the other part when she's climbing to the pickup truck at the end, she can barely get into it. And then fucking Leatherface comes in with a chainsaw. It feels like it's like four inches from her. Yeah. As she's getting in. Like, he could have just fallen forward and.

Shane Sauter. I don't know if they would have shown that. My favorite Marilyn Burns anecdote, aside from the bit about, like, Toby Hooper enjoyed bucks and women. Yeah. And so this was an easy casting call for him, was that Marilyn Burns is like basically like Jared Goughspeed. So Gunner Hansen had to like slow down.

Yeah. And always like run in circles and like get distracted and start. sawing like trees because she was like... She was very slow. As Frank Dreben would say, she's the kind of breast that say, hey, look at these. They're not afraid to break about

this whole movie. No nude scene in this movie. Nope. But yeah. The research about Toby Hooper being infatuated by her really enjoying her. I thought she was great. She's awesome. It's definitely one of those like, why aren't you in more stuff?

But she really only comes alive or like takes center stage in the last 35 minutes of the movie. Yeah. Because Pam's the one reading all the Zodiac stuff and it seems like the geyser. She's the flashlight fight. She's the flashlight fight. Franklin in his wheelchair is kind of like the big deal. And then she kind of emerges. Franklin in the wheelchair, pretty high usage rate.

Also, maybe that guy, the whole movie's pretty tough on Franklin. He doesn't get a single win home. No. No. He's eating human flesh. I assumed he would be the one to make it out. That was my guess going in. But they kind of like, they kind of make it clear that's impossible.

Because it's like, this is pre-American Disability Act. Like, this guy is like... There's no ramps. He's basically dependent on these people to push him places. Yeah. Which makes it's scary. Yeah. There's like a two-minute scene where it's just him trying to get up like that little hill to get into the walkway.

Yeah. What do you think he was eating? Human remains. But what do you think it was? I think it was like a... I really don't want to speculate because it seemed... It seemed kind of phallic. Yeah, yeah.

A lot more on the research from the movie later, but 125K budget ultimately when you throw in the promotion. Made $31 million. Roger Eber, two stars. This is a really interesting review. It's without any apparent purpose unless the creation of disgust and fright is a purpose. Yet, in its own way, the movie is some kind of weird,

off-the-wall achievement. I can't imagine why anyone want to make a movie like this, and yet it's well-made, well-acted, and all-too-effective and said it belongs with Nine of Living Dead,

last house to the left, films that are really a lot better than the genre required. Raj never liked horror. Can I read one more excerpt from his review? Yeah. A true crime movie like Richard Brooks is in cold blood,

which studies the personalities and compulsions of the two killers, dealt directly with documented material and was all the more effective for that. But Texas chainsaw massacre could have been made up from whole cloth any apparent difference.

No motivation, no background, no speculation on causes is evident anywhere in the film. It's simply an exercise in terror. That's the point. Yeah. Because if you're experiencing terror like that, of what uses somebody's compulsions or personalities. Listen, Rajelike's story.

Yeah, he does. He loves story and character. Love story. There wasn't a ton of story in this movie. But he was probably like Marilyn Burns' thumbs up. He's like, I love it. I'm going to tell Russ Meyer about her. All right, we'll take a break.

Then we'll do the category. Most rewatchable scene I'm not going to say the opening is a rewatchable scene but I do really like it I also like when they put the date gives it like the Saturday August 18th, 1973

it makes a oh shit did that happen did you Craig did you like that opening where like because the opening crawl the credits and the shot of the graveyard is like one of the great

tone setting opening two minutes of a movie ever made. Especially because for the next 35, 40 minutes, it's really not much. It's easy confused. I think it was really effective. First scene, the hitchhiker joining the van. This goes about as well as when Antonio Brown joined the Patriots.

Just bad idea. Picking them up. Went worse than we thought. Ended with people bleeding. This guy's just, is this guy two bonkers or the right bonkers? I'm going to do one of my hottest takes right now.

This guy's scarier than Leatherface. To me, in a lot of ways because I think probably everybody has a story of some sort of interaction like this

where you're like, oh shit, like this guy's fully gone and I'm accidentally talking to him at a bar or outside in a street in the night or whatever. Usually the modern version

of this is getting stuck with somebody in the corner of a bar. And you slowly realize, oh, no. Yeah. This isn't... This guy wants to take my picture. Yeah, this is going to be rough. This guy wants to show me his...

This is going to be tough. His knife, yeah. And hitchhackers in general, I have a lot of thoughts on that a little bit later. I had an experience, actually, like, a couple years ago in Philly at a bar where a guy was like, check out my knife. And I was just like, okay. Okay. And, like, everybody chilled him out, but he was like, he was like, check it out, check it out.

And we were all like, yo, man. The scariest parts about those situations is, like, they're calling the shots. You're like, I'm in their world right now, and I just kind of have to roll with the punches and hope I get out. Like, you kind of can't. You have to kind of let them do what they want. Yeah, you kind of have to play along. Because if you're just like, you're making me uncomfortable, like, I don't know what the reaction is going to be. Yeah.

I mean, the weirdest thing is that the ringer, this always happens with Danny Kelly. I know. when you put like three drinks in him and he just something a switch snaps. Except he's just like You see it in his eyes. Hey, I want to show you Legion of Boom highlights.

He's like, this is a running back on Florida State. I don't really feel like you're listening to me. You're not going to believe how he gets to the corner. Kirk and the girl break off and check out the house. They're going to check out a watering hole. So you're skipping the first gas station stop. Yeah. Okay.

Why, you want to, you have thoughts? love the redhead washing the windows. Yeah. And he keeps going back and forth. That's like one of the funniest parts of the movie. It's fucking hilarious. He's coming up in Dion Waiters later. They go, there's no water in the watering hole.

And then for some reason, they decide to walk toward a house because they might have gas. Yeah. Finds a tooth inside. Looks a little rotten on the end of it. It thinks it'd be funny to give it to his girlfriend. I'm out at that point. That's a human tooth. we're leaving.

The amount of times I would have been out. That was my number one. Yeah, I stopped counting. That's a tune. I'm out. I'm out when somebody's like, should we pick up that hitching?

True. Wait, an animal is squealing in the house. I think I'll go in. Oh, no. It's leather face. The rare no sound murder. There is a sound, though. And it sounds like walnuts getting cracked

and it's his skull. getting it. It is one of the grossest things I've ever heard. And it is like, oh, like this isn't even going to be like psycho music or anything. It's just like brutality. No music at all. And then the metal door slam,

which is impressive how fast it does it. I'm going to give this to Todd Parker award for best character entrance. You could argue it's the leather face award. Among the best ever. The way he frantically slams the sliding door set is really good. Yeah, really effective. Also, have we

explored hard hammers enough in horror movies? I think there's such like it doesn't have the like invasive sleekness and almost eroticism I think that a lot of like knife kills do. I would argue it's pretty great. Yeah.

Just pounding somebody in there immediately unconscious. And then you can go to work on them. That leads to the to Kirk's I guess girlfriend, whatever she is. Scope lady. Not understanding why Kirk hasn't come out of the house yet.

She ends up going in because that's a good idea. And ends up in the chicken room. Not sure what's happening there. A lot of feathers. Is this the scariest place ever invented? It's just, I mean, there's a lot of research about the art director just going around Texas and picking up decomposing animal parts. And going to like taxidermists and veterinarians and stuff.

And this guy, I mean, obviously, this could have been the sequel to the movie, could have been this art director who might have also been a serial killer, all the stuff he found, puts together the creepiest room, maybe in the history horror movies. Reassembled bone icon, kind of like the guy sitting there, yeah. Fucking bonkers. Then Leatherface shows up, carries her to the other room, and puts her on a hook. And then she gets to watch Kirk get chainsawed. This is like, you can't even believe this is how.

Was your wife here for that? She was just like... What was in these drinks? Because you're going for a half hour, like, is anything going to happen in this movie? It's like, yeah, stuff's going to happen, actually, and here we go. So we got that movie. We have Buddy Jerry goes to find

both of them. The classic horror movie of the guy going in the creepy house knowing something's wrong and doing the... Quit playing jokes. I'm going to be really mad if this is a joke. Just get the fuck out. A for this scene is just the interact. between Franklin and Sally because she obviously really wants to go with Jerry,

hang out with him, but Franklin is immobile. And that reminded me that I forgot that they're brothers and sister and that this movie is basically, like Hooper said, is a riff on Hansel and Gretel. Like it's supposed to be the two of them, their story of like this, they go off in the woods and meet a monster.

And that's like the moment, I'm like, oh, right, she can't leave him. And it kind of saved him. her life that she doesn't leave him, but it costs him his. Well, we get the girl in the eglue, and then we get Kirk's buddy Jerry just really taking it. Getting smoked, yeah. Yeah, getting smoked. So that happens.

We get Leatherface killing wheelchair guy, the brother. Franklin. Another good jump scare. He's like, I think I hear her noise. Sally freaks out, and then she's running around. Gas station guy, not really helping Sally. That's another scene. go get your grandpa

don't drop them do you remember I guess because you were 11 the first time you saw it but when you were watching it when you watched that scene for the first time did you

were you like surprised that the gas station guy was bad oh yeah yes I thought he I mean in the when it was happening I thought he was going to save and he was there to help

okay so he wasn't there to help it's one of the great like that has become like a turn of like a turn of like the person you run for for help is like... There was something about the way he grabbed her face that made you pause?

It's incredible. Where you're like, oh, maybe I'm wrong? Because there's a moment he's like, it's fine, don't worry. No, because he's looking at her like, I'm going to eat you later. Yes. Yes. My favorite, it's not my great shot Gordo, but one of my favorite little moments of the movie

is when he's like, all right, I'm going to go get my truck and we're going to drive to the other town to call the cops. And she's just looking out the door, and it's that shot of the door before the truck pulls up where she's like, should I run? should I get out of here? I kind of feel like this is wrong. Well, because she sees the organs.

And she sees all this shit roasting. She's like, this is wrong, this is wrong. And then he pulls up and he's got the bag and the rope. And she's like, fuck. You know, like, it's such a great moment. Friday 13th rips it off. The girl at the end when she's running and runs into Jason's mom. Yeah.

And thinks Jason's mom's going to help for a split second. Always good when it's like, oh, you're not going to help, are you? Yeah. Yeah. You're his uncle, right? Yeah. This is going to be bad. The bloody fingers suck for grandpa is super disturbing.

Yeah, for sure. I like that she passes out. I thought that was the correct response to. I'm being tortured by all these guys. Fucking grandpa, who I thought was dead when I went up in the room, he's actually alive. They cut my finger and now grandpa's sucking it. I'm going to pass out now.

Is this just like early platelet treatment? Like, how is grandpa still alive? Is he just getting his blood spun? It's like the 1970s version of R.A. Manuel eating probiotic worms. He grandpa's going on to town

with Matt Pellity next week. Also, I read that her, it was real. Yeah, they cut her finger. They actually cut her finger and it was her actual blood because they ran out of fake blood or something.

They couldn't figure out how to pull off the finger cut and they just cut her finger. A lot of people saying you're a cannibal. I'm not saying that. Are you interested in Paramount? Has Skydance been in touch?

The blood sucking. Let's get into that. Dinner with Grandpa. I'm going to say worst dinner invite of all time in the movie. This is it. You're tied up. Yeah. You're three psychopaths.

It's not just that they're going to kill you. They're mocking you. They're gooning out. Like, those guys are doing, like, they're, like, yelling at each other. They're trying to put together, like, some sort of human. and feast, you're strapped down. This desiccated old man is going to start sucking on your blood. I mean, it's the worst of the worst.

And then when you watch it, knowing that all the actors are going outside to puke, it just makes it seem like the most miserable experience of all time. The family therapy session with those three would have been really interesting. I really also, like, one of the most nauseating things in the movie is the old man hitting her with the hammer. It's like, Grandpa come back for one last kill. You got this, you know? Well, he's the best killer. there ever was. It's like Ben Johnson and Case Keatim out there.

I just trying to make it work. I wrote that grandpa. I was like Drake May this season. Rogers. Grandpa can't run anymore, but he can call out protections. And he gets the ball out fast. Good pocket presence. He couldn't really pull it off.

No. Didn't have it in him anymore. Tried to play one last season. Mistake getting him involved. Then she ends up getting away and jumping out the window. time. And then the ending is really an all-timer. This poor truck driver is just, he stops. I still don't, I had this for picking nits later, but

still not sure why he didn't just drive away in the truck. Yeah, there's one weird scene where they kind of both get into the truck. Yeah. And they could just drive, but then they end up, they walk in, they get in through one door and they leave the other. I think he starts chainsawing the driver's side door, and I think she gets out and he gets out, and they start running the other direction. Why get out?

I don't know. Yeah. This is the most haunting ending to any movie I've ever seen. It's an all-time greatest last shot. Other than possibly Halloween, Myers, not being there at the end. When they cut in on Loomis' face and go to all the places Myers had been, I still think this is better. I think you're right.

Her face covered in blood, screaming, and him screaming back, waving a chainsaw in the dawn sun is just like, I will think about the first time I saw that for the rest of my life. And it kind of turns from a scream to like a maniacal laugh a little bit. It's like this weird blend of like hysteria. Yeah. It's very good. However, my most rewatchable scene is Kirk getting killed.

And they'll lead up to that. I agree. I don't think there's any question. Yeah. If this movie is on cable and we're around that area, I'm going to watch it because I love when the other face shows up. What's the most 1974 thing about this movie? I could offer you the Polaroid camera the Hitchhacker has

which has that weird little attachment flashbulb. They spell it chainsaw as two words in the title. I don't know when we stopped doing that, but now chainsaw is one word basically. Yeah. Right?

Yeah. The old old wheelchair Franklin has. That's like a classic. You know you're not even in the 80s yet. Calling someone's girlfriend, your old lady? I don't know when they're that stopped.

Yeah. It somehow became offensive, but, you know. I kind of like it, though. Yeah, I don't mind it either. Chris, your old lady coming today? And then I think the winner is just hitchhikers. Yeah. I mean, the only other thing I have was the girls' outfits.

Yeah, which kind of have come back a little bit. Somewhat, yeah. Hitchhikers have not come back. No. You picked up hitchhacker, Craig? Hell no. Yeah. It's always the most.

We can talk about it now. I mean, this movie, my unanswerable question is, does this movie end hitchhiking? No, because I think it was still going through the 70s. Did you ever pick up a hitchhiker? No. Did you ever hitchhiker? No. I remember there's a TV movie called Diary of a Teenage Hitchhiker during the height of ABC TV movies in the 70s.

They had a couple different ones, but this was the best one. And this guy in a van was just wiping out hitchhikers in that I felt. like was the final nail in the coffin. But, you know, my mom, my dad went to college at Holy Cross, and my mom went to college at Boston College, and they started dating the last couple of years. It's like 45 minutes apart. My dad hitchhiked back to Boston every weekend.

So this was a thing that happened basically late 60s through the mid-70s, which as I mentioned on other pods, this is why the mid-70s... Well, like, Boston hitchhiking, isn't that just getting in a truck with a guy who's like, the fucking bees that killing me? Yeah, you're going to get on the highway. It's like, what's up with Freddie Lynn? Is he ever going to play? But this was why I always say

this is the glory era for serial killers. Like 75 to 78. Because if you're a serial killer, you'd be like, I feel like killing somebody. I'll just drive around until I get a hitchhiker and then I'll kill them. And that's it. So you lost that.

But the internet has replaced it now, I think. Flood Gun Dollar, butter my ass, lollipops with my mouth of the word. for something I just enjoy. What do you got? Kids on a normal road trip where something abnormal happens. I have leather face moves

and acts like Warren and there's something about Mary. And once you see it, you can't unsee it. He does the same run, everything. And I said it to my wife yesterday and she was fucking dying, watching it. You should hit up fairly.

He was with the chance I'm like, fron's beans, freaks and beans! But it's hilarious. Everything about leatherface, how he runs. His general demeanor, I think he's just hilarious.

Yeah. Woods age the best. Slaughterhouses in a horror movie? Pretty great. Yeah. Not sure there's a creepier location. Yeah, and I think even just in tying the human

violence to like a larger kind of like larger carnage. Like murderous bent of like society. Yeah. Violent bent of society. Grave robbing? as a horror movie kind of premise device? It just creates so much dread to hear that report

and to see that opening shot of like the sort of statue of bones that they've created in that graveyard. God, that graveyard scene also low-key, incredibly creepy. Like the old drunk guy and all the people leering at the women. Yeah. Like that's, you know, the whole thing was this idea that like all these locations that they're stopping at are supposed to be like quintessential, like small town.

America backbone kind of upstanding places like a gas station where you can get help and gas and directions and a graveyard where everybody puts to rest their family and can go visit. And it's like every one of those things is like the most demonic version of it. Yeah. It's just, I just thought

it was worth pointing out. 70s vans? Yeah. Any seats in that thing? They're all just kind of like lying around in the back. It's kind of how it went back then. They took the benches out? Yeah, you just would have the two seats in the front. everybody else can pile in the back.

If there's a car accident, everyone's just going to die immediately. Yeah. And that's how we did it. Oh, we slaughter a barbecue sign? That is the age the best. That would be a great addition to the room. It's aggressive.

You can say we have barbecue. Yes. But you're basically saying, we slaughter our own barbecue. It's fresh. This is the freshest possible. We've literally just killed this barbecue today. Chainsawed des.

I just feel like chainsaws have still been underrated. Scarface has a great. one. I think people are scared off because no one will ever touch this. I don't even know if there is another chainsaw horror movie outside of this franchise.

But if there is, it's probably like... Well, and also, from a what stage is the best standpoint, every time you see a chainsaw, you kind of just want to grab it and do the leather face. I like the dad and his

hitchhacker son. Yeah. Some of the stuff he says to him, stuff like, come here, you nap here, did he? You can start talking a bit like that. Yeah, I'm picking it up. The fear of picking up the wrong hitchhiker just has aged the best. The poster of this has aged incredibly well.

It's really good. I love that they only had one chainsaw for the whole movie, instead of having enough money to buy backups. So it was basically like one outfit for leather face, one chainsaw. We've just got to make this work. Everybody, because it takes place over 24 hours, yeah.

There are 868 edits in an 83-minute movie, which apparently is a lot. Texas chainsaw baskers what inspired Ridley Scott to make Alien. Yes. I have one more, but what do you have for what's interesting? Again, hugely influential. Scorsese loves this movie.

Spielberg thought this movie was incredible, like pretty much... Charentina. Friedkin, all these people thought it was amazing. I think Daniel Pearl's cinematography is like easily the best aspect of this movie. It's like, part of it feels like

a precursor to like Paris, Texas, or like these like incredible vistas of the Southwest, but some of it feels like documentary style, like handheld. The shoestring budget that they made it on, there's no reason it should look this good. And there's some just unbelievable shots. You mentioned the cutting. It's amazing.

Probably Marilyn Burns' screen. and what has now become a trope in horror movies of the person you think is going to help you turning on you, which we discussed. I also, I didn't realize this until I read this, that there's three different masks. And Gunner Hansen, who played Leatherface, said there was the killing mask,

the old lady mask and pretty woman mask. Yes. And that old lady mask was the domestic kitchen mask. I thought old lady mask and dinner mask, were the same, but they weren't. Me too. Yeah, I guess he changes for actually eating dinner. He said, at dinner, the pretty woman makeup, female wig and a black suit because he's, in Texas, you dress up for dinner.

And then killing mask is like, this is my go-time mask. This is when I kill and torture people. I put this one on. I would also say what's age the best is the fact that this movie is such a rich text. Countless books have been written about it. everybody from gender studies to anthropologists have

like analyzed this movie and talked about its relevance in the history of Texas is like a big piece of history and like what was going on with Nixon and all this stuff and it definitely has like a resonance and I think the best horror movies often do

they say something about the time that they were made in. Great chat Gordor Award we covered it the last shot. Oh actually I have a different one. Then the last shot? Under the swing, Pam walking towards the house. Why?

Because she's got a great ass! A couple random just like long ass shots. Yeah, there is a great tech. Craig's progression through the movie of, oh cool, only 84 minutes. A lot of ass shots in this movie. Jesus Christ.

I'm going to sue you. This is an HR violation. Big Hooningerberger were best use of food. or drink. Obviously the human sausage. I was going to say maybe also just the discussion of head cheese. Yeah. Which was first and last time I ever considered. What is head cheese? I didn't know that was the thing until

It's Oregon. It's like awful, right? I just looked it up. It's ground up cow head that has turned not into cheese but into like a jelly. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds like the worst thing of all time. Was Franklin eating human meat? I thought he was just eating barbecue. Yeah, because you can see he's like, what is this? Oh, and this is what he got from the gas station? It's like a sausage and he's just

Like, he eats it. I mean, finishes it. But he's like, the first time he bites into it, he's kind of like, what is this? Like, chess rock, rock world, Brocklanders award. Best character name. It's got to be Leatherface. Yeah. The best part is his brother calls him Leather Face at one point.

I know. He's like, go get him Leather Face. I don't know if it's an endearing nickname or his name was like. Well, I think it's because it's the only way to communicate to the audience his name. Like, you have to say it out loud. Otherwise, how would you know? Do you think he had like a Kevin Durant-esque problem with Leatherface as a nickname where he's like, I'm not the slim reaper.

I am not Leatherface. My name's Michael. Was there a better title with this movie? God, no. They worked on Saturn's Return. They also considered Leather Face and Head Cheese, but no. Head Cheese is not a bad title. This movie makes $1.

I know. Leatherface is fine. They could have done that, but Texas Chainsomeasker is the best. Yeah. I would argue one of the better titles in the last 55 years, Texas chainsaw massacre.

It really does tell you what it's going to do. Kind of know what's going to happen in this movie. All right, we'll take a break and then C.R. as a flex. C.R., your flex is. The He Got Game Hooker scene for the most awkward scene if someone randomly walks in the room. I'm going to go with Pam getting thrown on the meat hook. But this movie might have the most

he got game scenes of any film I've ever seen. If you're watching dinner, the dinner scene and someone walks in and they don't know what you're watching. There's some answers. You're going to have to have some answers to some questions. I also had another one, which was just Den of Thieves Benihana,

scene stealing location for the chicken, the chicken room. Oh. Pam's Chicken room. I like it. Butch's girlfriend award Weeklink of the film. I say this, fully understanding he's supposed to be the weekling.

I was waiting to talk about Franklin. I get his purpose in the movie. I fully understand it. absolutely hate Franklin. We had the good hang, bad hang categories sometimes. Just there's no worse hang than Franklin. And you want him to die.

But this is Texas Monthly wrote. His constant demand for attention is high-pitch cries of Sally, his angered everyone else, making one of the most despicable handicapped people in film history. He's the only one who almost seems to deserve his death. And I think that's the point. It is. And I think the most important moment for Franklin

is when everybody pairs off at the first house when they go to his parents' house or whatever. And he's kind of like, I'm the fifth wheel. Because it kind of explains why he was even engaging with the hitchhiker. He's almost like, I'm this lonely dude. Yeah. These guys are all going to go fuck later. Like, I don't know.

I'm just asking questions. I'm trying to get some conversations started. Trying to get some takes off. And nobody wants to deal with me. But nevertheless, I've been brought on this trip. I just think it's like a really, like, he's longing for something. He's longing for connection and he finds the worst possible connection ever. Do you think that...

52 years later, he'd have a lot of Reddit posts. Sure. Yeah. Being a lot of different Reddit sites. We'd be like, why is Bill leading with the Celtics again? He'd have 82,000 lettered boxed reviews. Why is Bill talking about Fremel again? It sounds like Paul.

Part team was a bit of a pain in the ass method actor based on like the reports were like... Yeah, I was like that when everybody's like, yeah, it's a fucking asshole. Can you imagine being a method actor on a $60,000 movie? No.

I also can't imagine being a method actor. Yeah. I just think, feel like it's... Every time we get that in the research, I'm I was like, what's the deal with these dudes? They're supposed to be actors,

turn it on off. What's age the worst? My wife brought this up, actually. She was very surprised there wasn't a nude scene. or some sort of where they shoehorn something in because that's what's in every horror movie. They didn't do that in this.

And it's kind of interesting to watch it because especially when they go to the water cooler, what do they call it the water? I'm saying water cooler. Oh, when they're going to like to go swimming? Yeah, the watering hole. And you're like, okay, here we go. She's going to take her top off.

Nothing. So you're disappointed in that? No, it's just from a what's age to worse from our expectations of a horror movie. Right. It's like, oh, I guess. It's a slight misdirect because like the previously mentioned

Ashots, Sally, her shirt, you kind of expect it's coming and even like the people, you know, the family, it's almost like, they're not even interested in the fact that she's like a pretty young woman. No, they're not like,

and I thought that was coming the whole time. Yeah. No, they just are in it for the love of the game. I don't know if that had something to do with like the ratings board or something like that but maybe, I mean, this movie is like doesn't really have anything about like

they're not killed because they're having sex with each other. They're killed because they go looking for gasoline. You would expect one line of like, oh, you're a pretty girl. Like, there's none of that. Nothing. Well, this is another one's age the worst when she's at the dinner table. And she's like, please, I'll do whatever you want. It's like, whoa.

Yeah. Settle down, Sally. What do you mean? She's trying to live. I would be like that eat, too. Yeah. I'll get grandpa's bloody finger. Leptits.

But it's just, it's, it's tough that they put her in that position to say that. Kind of along these same lines about something falling short of expectations, I guess. There's only one chainsaw death in this movie. Yeah, Franklin. Yeah. More hammer. Yeah. I mean, in some ways.

Texas Hammer Masker didn't go. Leatherface. A lot of talk. Not a lot of chainsawing. People are saying. And then all the characters just got the shaking. kicked out of them in this movie. Most prominently Marilyn

Burns who got hit in the head over and over again with the rubber hammer, had to land from windows and ran through branches. Yeah, some of the blood on her last costume is real blood. Got stuck on her. All this stuff.

And Hooper said at the rap party that everyone just basically hated his guts and was pissed about it. Any of what stage the worst? I think that the same that the hammer makes when it hits Kirk's skull is aged the worst in so much as it like every time I like crack my shoulder a little bit I'm like oh yeah kind of like thinking about that rough low hand and Rubinick partridge overacting award a lot of a lot of possibilities here

probably the hitchhacker gas station guy at dinner yeah you ruined it you know like all that stuff yeah who was apparently the only sag actor yeah they needed one of them when would I have died Thriller and horror movies only for this category. This counts. I die when grandpa's sucking my bloody finger. That's it. I think I swallow my own tongue. Or just die afraid.

I would just jump out the window when the hitchhiker starts going off. I would be like, I guess I'm going to just roll out of this van at 45 miles per hour. If I'm Franklin, I don't know if I'm getting up from getting knocked off the road by a truck while I got my dick in my hand. Yeah. Durneating into a coffee can. And then that's like a weird, like, maybe. like bad omen in the beginning of this film. But yeah, I don't think I make it through the hitchhiking.

The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Fordhatt's Take Award. What do you got? This is the scariest movie ever made. I watched this movie for the first time in the late 90s. I was not like really a horror person, not scared of them, but just didn't really see a lot growing up.

So horror is more something I've watched like in the second half of my life. But I watched this movie when I was like 18 or 19 or something like that. I was moving into a house in Mission Hill that was kind of like dilapidated. It was fine, but it was kind of run down. And by the time we were done like all the runs to move our shit in,

just to get it in the house, it was like midnight. So we were like, look in this box that we had and somebody had Texas chain saw on VHS. And we were like, well, let's watch a movie and have a couple of beers before we go to bed and we'll worry about all this tomorrow. We watched this from like 1230 to 2. I was up for the rest of the night.

none of us had seen it. We were all freaked out. And then, like, we were watching in the dark and all our shit was everywhere. And it's, like, typical, like, 20-year-old guy where it's, like, we got, like, an air hockey table on the wall and everything is in boxes, like, the TV's on a crate. I was so freaked out at the end of this.

The same way I felt with Blair Witch, where I was like, was that real? What did I just watch? Are those people dead? Like, how is this legal? And it's just stuck with me forever. It's no movie has ever disturbed me. like this one.

I'd have to think about that for my own pick, but it's definitely in the running. It's about as unsettling as it gets. Because there's parts of, like, I think there's also the fact that it's not supernatural that freaks me out. It's not The Exorcist. No, like these people could really exist.

My Exorcist is terrifying and everything, but, like, Jason and Freddie and Michael Myers all kind of, like, exist in this kind of, like, supernatural evil, you know, aliens, scary, there are modern movies like, you know, Blair Witch or Green Room or, there's a bunch of movies that are scary, but this is,

this scares me because it feels so real. Did you have a hottest take? I did. Craig's going to start adding hottest takes. It's good. To mix it up. I can. And he's the master of the hottest take.

I think we need to go back to nightmare shoots, movie shoots. I think we need to start, I think it's gotten too soft now and it's hurting the art. And I think we need to go. back to like, this is going to be really hard. Maybe you can sign a waiver.

It's like climbing Everest. It's like, hey, you're about to enter something that's really difficult. But I think we need to get back to like, it's going to be 100 degrees. You're going to have to wear the same outfit because it's going to get the best performance out of you. I like it. It's interesting to... There will be some HR violations committed. Here's the waiver.

There's a waiver. You don't have to do it. But once you sign, you're in it. You'll probably talk about this at Internet research. But this was a movie that got some dubious funding. Oh, yeah. And then after the fact when it became a hit, you know, none of the actors participated in the profits from the movie.

Like, they got paid a couple grand, $100 or whatever. Kind of reminds me of what happened with obsession. Yeah. Where, you know, the set designer came out, like, as the movie is kind of on this rocket ship and was like, none of us, like, we all had to work our asses off. And none of it. I don't think this could ever happen again. I just think you'd have people, like, on the set putting up stories being like,

this is... I'm being tortured on... This guy just puked next to me. don't go see Texas chainsaw mask or inhumane working conditions, maybe for better for worse, but obviously you just get a different kind of movie when this kind of thing happens. My hottest take, leather face was the victim.

Jesus, Bill. He's just in his own house. Can't a guy just be in his house? This is a really good take. You know what? Multiple people came in. He's just defending his property. He's got a hobby.

It's taxidermy. Stay out of your house. Do you think... He's just, just working. These kids were cursed or marked for death by the photo and the blood on the van. The burning photo. And that there was gas,

but he pretended like there wasn't. And that like all this stuff that happens is basically like they're getting pushed towards the house. Or is it completely random? And if they had never gone to the house next door, they would have lived. I think there's some voodoo stuff with the burn picture. Something sinister with that. But for the most part.

And Franklin's keyed in on that. He's like, do you think that guy's going to follow us? Do you think that guy knows where we are? Do you think that guy's going to come after us? He's like, is that the Mark Azoro? Yeah. I think it's scarier if it's random. Sure.

I mean, the big ultimate lesson is get fucking gas when you need to get gas. Just stop at the right station. That's the one thing. Don't drop below a half tank. Yeah. Leatherface is just home. Somebody came in my house right now. What would I do?

You put on your old lady. Hit him with a hard hammer. Casting what ifs. I don't know. Goner Hansen regarded leather face as having intellectual disability and that's how he performed the part. John Laracott performed the narration in the opening credits and was paid by marijuana.

There aren't really any what-ifs because none of these actors were known actors. Also, as of like 2008 had not seen the movie or something like that. I read an interview where he's like, I've never watched. John Larichette. Joey pants a word for best that guy and none. Dionne Waiter's Award. I can either offer you grandpa or a gas station washing the windshield guy. Washing the windshield guy.

Do you think he's part of the family? Does he get to imbibe in the buffet? No, because he didn't get invited to dinner. I feel like he's like their damp or something. Part-timer. Do you think he goes home and he's like weird day at the office? Yeah, another weird one. I had to clean up more bones.

Recasting couch director of City. I tried to come up with a cast if this was a, big movie with real actors. In the 70s or now? In 1974. Okay. Jeff Bridges, Rob Reiner and Ron Howard, maybe Rob Reiner's in the wheelchair. Penny Marshall and Goldie Hawn.

Goldie Hawn's the one that survives. Goldie is last girl? Yeah. Final girl? Yeah. It would be tough watching Penny Marshall get killed. Would it? No. No, she would be the horoscope comic relief. I think the unknown quality of the actors is what makes it because you're just like, they just seem like real people.

Craig's got a flex. Dennis Peck, relationship test. Jesus. You think Dennis could have gotten out of that house? You think you could have charmed the family? You think Leatherface would have been like... I like Dennis. Do you think so?

Is Peck wearing the polo tucked into the jeans? Yeah. He shows up, clean hair, clean cut. He thinks he's like, what's up with you, Sailor? Yeah, he's like, what kind of dress do you have on there, Mr. Leatherface? I think it works. usually after we do rewatchables, I don't watch the movie for a couple years

because we've dissected it so immaculately, I never go back. Internal Affairs I watched like six months later. It's just incredible. I love him so much. Yeah, I think he definitely could have turned. I just would love to know if there would be somebody who had enough charm to kind of talk his way out of that house.

Yeah, and I think Gunn's Beck could have done that. Or talk to him out of, are we sure we need to kill Sally? Yeah. I mean, look at her. Look how luscious she is. Let's keep her around. Half Fisnerner Research, they filmed mostly at a 1900s farmhouse near Round Rock, Texas. I don't know where that is.

The art director who drove around and picked up the cattle remains and all the weird shit was named Robert A. Burns. So if he ever ended up, comes out that he murdered 10 people. Sure. Don't be shocked. This is one. I'm just going to read this one verbatim. We already covered this, but I thought this was. so funny. Gunner Hansen later admitted in his book, Chainsaw Confidential, that after several

failed attempts, he secretly removed the protective tape from the knife and cut Marilyn Burns's finger for real. Yeah. That's a workplace violation. That's OSHA right there. Did he go on the town with Promoting Chainsaw Confidential? Marri with Gunner Hanson. Did you take the tape off, Gunner? Conor, how do you feel about the Paramount Merger? Would you be bad if you let's find it's Paramount? The gas station, which is featured in several scenes, is now a horror-themed attraction in a Texas barbecue restaurant and a motel.

Should we do a live show there? I was thinking when we were in Dallas a few years ago, I wonder how far away that was from where we was. This is closer to Austin, right? So I think it's several hours. They still have the vintage sign. We slaughter barbecue. You mentioned the financial story. If people care, they should really Google this whole thing.

But it was basically... The Texas Monthly article has it broken down. I think the most important part is that... Well, there's a couple of most important parts. They didn't have enough money to finish it. They ended up getting financing from basically the mob and this company that also did Deep Throat. and had money that needed to wash the money from Deep Throat

because Deep Throat made like $45 million. Right. The cast was supposed to get a piece of the thing. They ended up getting a piece, but it's only half of the movie because they lied about whatever. Then it was even worse than that because then they had to sign away their half

because they ran out of money. They couldn't get the print to finish it. It said to give away more of the movie. And they basically just kept giving way more of the movie combined with the mob owned the movie and was lying to them about how much it made. Yes. And everybody got host.

It was like the worst version of that social network scene where he's like, what did your equity get down to? Oh, Andrew Garfield? Yeah. And yeah, it's just like, I think even more tragic is that nobody from this movie then slingshot into any kind of like future acting career. Because that's the argument for like obsession is they say, well, you get paid on your next job.

Yeah. And you're participating in the success of the movie, which will create opportunities for you. And that didn't happen. And the company that actually owed them all the money when they figured out what was owed had gone bankrupt. Yeah. So they didn't get that. New Line Cinema ended up buying the stuff from that and belatedly gave them some money.

And this is kind of like still going on. Like when you see an independent movie and it's got like 70 producers credited executive producers. Yeah. This guy gave $100,000 and this guy raised $100,000 and everybody's giving notes and everybody gets a credit. And everybody gets to go to the premiere or the festival if it happens. But one of the recurring themes of the research was that pretty much everybody involved with this movie, they didn't make money from it. It was an emotionally scarring experience and they're kind of bitter about it years later. Yeah.

Except for Gunner Hanson who got to appear on Matt Bellies to town. It's almost like perverse because not only did they not get to participate in it and they might be scarred from it, but they obviously have to like basically make it the crowning achievement of their life. So whenever you see interviews with them, they're always in like rooms full of Texas chainsaw massacre memorabilia. And they've got to like go to conventions and sign stuff. But I don't think they had the conventions in the same way they have now. Yeah.

This is like 20 years later. These people are golden. Yeah. They're just going to conventions left and right and signing chainsaws. Right. But they didn't really have that back then. No. Yeah.

Apex Mountain. Indie horror movies? This and Blair Witch. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to say this. Final Girls? Was there a better final girl?

I think Lori is a more iconic final girl, ultimately. I mean, they've certainly made more movies about Lori Strode, so I think she probably stands out. And Ripley from Alien. Most underrated Final Girl? Yeah. No, for who would you say? Sally, I'd say.

I would say the girl on Friday the 13th Part 2. Oh, yeah. Can we do some Jason? Is there a Jason movie movie? We could do it this month. Let's do it. What would you want to do? Final chapter.

You want to do two? I mean, the most... One's pretty great from the story of it and them ripping off. I think two's a better movie. Me too. I think the last half hour of four

is probably the best of all of them. I don't know. Maybe we should have a vote. We just put a vote. One, two, or four. Which final Friday the 13th do you guys want us to do? Chainsaws? Yes.

Texas. No, not Texas, but I think cinematic rural Texas, yes. Scary Texas. Yes, scary Texas. Hot 70 blondes named Maryland. Nope. Maryland Chambers. Toby Hooper.

Paltargeist is for him. If he directed it. He did. Head cheese. For sure. movie murderers. Would you put Anthony Perkins and cycle up here? He lives in a real way, not like a Halloween

where he got shot six times and it becomes stupid because obviously he would have been dead. This guy just lives. He's going back to the slaughterhouse and business as usual. I like it. I put Norman Bates up there. I put Lecter up there. I think the answer is probably Myers

because of the body of work. Sure. She just keeps coming back. It's kind of a Stones Over Beatles thing. Sequels, re-sequels. Leatherface, they kind of come into, he's kind of a schedule merchant a little bit. Oh, you think he's, that's a home game for him?

Yeah, they're just like walking into his house, he grabs them. It's like dome team. He's grave robbing. It's like, cool. Anyone can do that. Hitchhiking. Probably not. The 1972 Ford Club.

That's the van they used. I'm going to say Apix Mountain for that. Oh, I thought it was a VW. Ford Club wagon. Okay. that's all I got. Cruise or Hanks? I have, I'll let you pick here.

I have Hanks as one of the dudes in the van. Yeah. But I do think Cruz could have done the hitchhiker. Especially the crews we're getting now these days on the red carpet. Digger Hughes could have been the hitchhaker. How long are you driving? How long have you been in the van? $2 is a fair price for this picture.

You've got to be so. You're such a good brother to Franklin. Dude, the fucking give me $2 thing freaks me out so much. Because it's like, that's the kind of thing that you're like, oh, shit, this is going wrong. Like, that is literally the moment where you're like, oh, now this dude wants to get paid

for taking a picture of them. And it's like, this is all wrong. Like, this guy never should have gotten to van. Franklin, how long you've been in the wheelchair? That's amazing. Did you see that? That's amazing. Did you see the video of him and seen

the person with the infatine? He comes back for the third handshake. I can't believe Craig thought Cruz should be in the rewatchable. Cruz is a media. Oh, come on. We're going to be in a room with Cruz for an hour and a half.

He's lost his mind. Can you imagine him sitting here right now talking about Texas Jetsup Massacre? I would just be, I wonder if he would have gotten through like... I think Cruz is gone. I think he's Markinson. Markston's gone.

He's not coming back. There is no cruise. Cruz is gone. The Hans Gruber scale villain ranking. Leatherface has to be a 10 out of 10. Yeah. Highest we can go. Shattered the ceiling. The Borat Sagdef, Rancid Body Order Award,

also goes to Leather Face. Gunner Hanson in his book, Chainsaw Confidential. You'll hear him on the town next week. He only had one shirt to wear his leather face because they couldn't get another one. The shirt had been died. He had to wear it for four straight weeks,

and by the end of the shoot, no one would stand near him. I can't even imagine the level of Bio. I have it for the... Gahaw just shook his head. How rarely reacts during the pod? The grandfather. Because I think the grandfather would have been

thrown some incredibly disgusting off-speed stuff with his desiccated body. Yeah, true. Fueled only by young virgin blood. He's been probably sitting up in that attic in the heat for weeks. Yeah, what's he doing up there?

I don't have a TV. Yeah. I think the grandpa's like one of the freakiest things I've ever seen in the movie. But he has a mask on, right? So underneath the mask is probably like some true horror.

Picking Nits. So you're passing a slaughterhouse and you're like, should we pick up that hitchhiker? Nope. Keep going. Would you die right away if you were lifted onto a metal hook

or would you survive with the metal hook, rip your body? Would you sink down? Does it hit one of your shoulders? Does it hit like an internal organ? So you think it was like under the shoulder? Yeah.

Like on the blade kind of. Because it should have slid down, right? Yeah, I mean, she was only able to hang up there. They had it like the way they had it Jerry waved. With the harness? For like a couple of minutes, yeah. The van's running out of batteries

with the lights on probably in a half hour. Yes. They just leave it on like morons. Yeah. I think a lot of their priorities were all out of whack in the van. First of all, it's like... No guess.

When Jerry gets blown off the side of the road, that's a big deal. Do you know what I mean? Like, that's embarrassing. Then tie that also with like, we've picked up this hitchhiker who cuts himself, cuts Jerry, cuts Franklin, rather, takes our picture, lights it on fire, and then smears blood all over the van and spits and like screams into the sun at us. Like we're, the trip is over. What's the trip?

Like, I just have a lot of questions. Swimming. What is this road trip itinerary? To go to their old, like, their father's old place. We're going to make sure Grandpa wasn't grave robbed. And then we're going to drive down a desolate highway in 100 degree heat. Because I want to show you where I live. And meanwhile, it's the scariest, craziest house.

Like, this is their spring break plans? I guess, right? And so. And should we bring Franklin, the most annoying person ever? Yeah, let's bring them. And look, I mean, I remember going on road trips with my family in the 80s. And it would sometimes be like if you made a wrong turn, you were on the wrong road for like hours,

and then you'd be like, we've been going the wrong direction. Like, that would happen. Five friends getting together to make sure that one of their grandfathers wasn't grave robbed is just a weird thing to do. It absolutely is. But Craig, this is what the 70s were like. We had three channels.

So what you did when you had no phones, I guess. We had three channels. We had 10 movies. We had no internet, no phones. Here's my-grave robbing. You want to go check it out? My biggest nitpick is after all this stuff happens in the beginning, Pam immediately starts reading

the Zodiac book. I'd be like, I don't give a fuck about astrology right now. Yeah. Can we talk about the Hitchhiker sport? What was the chainsaw battery on that chainsaw that Leather Face had? I thought it was gas powered. But when he's running around, he's, there's no extension cord. No, so how long you think he has battery power for? Oh, that thing's running for 12 hours. Yeah. It's like a lawnmower. This guy's like the village idiot. He's going to be like repeatedly remembering to charge his

chainsaw or put more gas in it? Maybe he was like an inventor and he had like a really long-lasting battery. The ending, why is there suddenly traffic on this dirt road? There's a giant truck that goes by and then a pickup truck. We're in the middle of nowhere, not near anything. She got very lucky. And it's early morning during the day. Yeah.

And well, there's one more, but I can cover it on an answer will. So you have any picket's? Just the zodiac like stuff and constantly going back to the Zodiac book after all this crazy shit. And then also, if Sally, like Leatherface just never runs in a straight line, I feel like Sally could have put some more evasive moves on him. Sequel, Prequel, Streamer, All Blackcast, Spinoff Remaker, Untouchable.

So there's been eight films that followed this that were either sequels, prequels, or remakes. I'm a fan. Including Texas Chainsaw Massacre, The Next Generation, with Renee Zell Weger and Matthew McCona. Yeah. Have you seen it, Craig? Do you like this movie?

The 95 one? The next generation one. I've only seen it once. I haven't revisited it. It's entertaining. It's entertaining. I remember it was like people kind of liked it. Two is awesome.

I like two a lot. It's completely different, but Toby Hooper directed it. And then the next generation, Kim Henkel, who wrote Texas, wrote, I don't know if he directed it,

but he definitely was Richard. And then there was a Jessica Beal reboot that's pretty much the movie. Say no more. And then there was a Netflix one that was about, like, influencers going to a town. And they all get killed by Leatherface that I kind of enjoyed. Don't forget the prequel Leatherface released on DirecTV exclusively in 2017. Starting Steven Dorff.

Yeah. Well, and now Curry Barker is rumored to be rebooting it. Glenn Powell was rumored to be involved. And, yeah, it's a hot property. Coming soon to Skydance. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the florist, Zane Lowe, anybody else. Been thinking about the voices.

Yeah. Watching a lot of Affleck this week. Oh. Because he's been, you know, in the news with the AI company that he sold. Yeah. Who do you think you are? The only guy in Texas with a chainsaw? You guys eat people and make furniture out of their bones.

You're an old guy with a fucked up face who doesn't know his glory is behind him. You ain't fucking making head cheese out of me. You got a problem with that? I live in a van that's out of it. of gas over by the old Franklin Place. Stop by any time. Little Doug McCray. Wow.

Yeah. That was exciting. Yeah. I try to think of some new guys, you know? I have one as well. I thought I have a new blood. Stephen A. Smith doing straight shooter the next day after the chainsaw murderers.

Does he have his full Cowboys troll hat on? But he's somber. No, he's not trawling. He's upset. There's a lot of noise right now about these murders that happened in Texas during this week. Five young people, four dead. One girl barely survived.

You know the story. To be honest, I don't care. What I care about is Leatherface. My brother, the best at what he does. Probably the best slaughterhouse chef in this country right now, potentially. stop being able to do his thing anymore. Stephen A, straight shooter. Just want to ask her who gets it.

I got... Toby Hooper or Daniel Pearl, the cinematographer. Zawant Nair Award would happen the next day. We don't get to do this enough. Yeah. Canonically, Sally is like basically in a coma from trauma. And then her... Is that what the sequel was?

That's what Texas 2 is. And then her uncle, played by Dennis Hopper, goes off looking for the family. Oh. It's a pretty fun movie. I wrote down, Sally, was definitely dead of a cocaine overdose by 1976. And probably did cocaine with Jenny Gump. They ran into each other in San Francisco. Yeah.

Probably in answerable questions. Where did the truck driver go? Where did he go? Yeah, does he just keep running? I rewound it a couple times. He's just running off. Yeah. He's just going the other way.

He's running away from his truck. Leatherface is doing his thing. Girls driving away the other direction. The next 15 minutes with the truck driver could almost have been its own movie. This poor fucking guy. I know. Leatherface tracks him down. No, Leatherface is like, I'm staying, I'm on my turf.

I think somebody tracks down the truck driver. But the hitchhiker's dead. Yeah. Grandpa is kind of like, he's out of commission for the next couple of weeks. weeks. I guess the gas station guy could have gotten there. I mean, he probably runs to the gas station, which is the worst possible place to go. Yeah. Yeah. What were leather faces next couple days like, you think? Lost his brother. A lot of reflection. A lot of tape study, you know, in the film room with Sean Peyton trying to figure out how to be better. Was the, were the windows

thick enough? How did she just jump through like that? What do we do wrong? Should we think about double painting these? Yeah. Should we get another chainsaw just to have another one? Yeah, second one. Maybe do I... Do I go electric chainsaw, maybe going forward? I have one more, but did you have any in answer, I mean, I mentioned this, but the impact this movie must have had on hitchhiking.

Ed Neal said Texas State Troopers told him, like, thanks for making this. Now there's no more hitchhikers. But, you know, I think statistically it still lasts for a couple more years after this, but I would never pick up a hitchhiker in my life after this movie

if I saw it. Last one, I'm just going to read verbatim from the Internet. Okay. On August 5th, 2014, at the age of 65, Marilynne Burns was found dead by our brother, Bill, at her home in Houston. Her cause of death was not specified. Oh, come on, Bill. I'm just reading that to you.

Verbatim. So what happened to Marilyn Burns is your question? What happened to Marilyn Burns? Yeah. I'm going to have to ask Concepcion and Tyler maybe to tackle this. Do a deep dive. I also have... Why didn't they give a cause of death?

Well, she probably had an overdose. that is strange anytime the final girl and a horror movie dies in real life and there's no cause of death that always makes me nervous my last unanswerable

was whose death would you want I'm gonna go Kirk because I don't think Kirk really sees it coming and I think he's done right away he's the first one I don't think he's conscious for all the sawing that happens

hammered to the head yeah by that time he's getting sawed up he's dead already his last thought is I hear an animal in distress. I think I'll go help it. And then, yes, there is that brief flash

of like, oh, my God, the devil just jumped out, but it's over fast for him. I don't think... Wheelchair guy's pretty tough because that chainsaw's not killing you immediately. But Kirk is basically like, Ed Reed hits you,

it's lights out. You know, you're out. I would least want to be Pam. Because I think Pam, Mead Hook, freezer. Slow death. Slow death. Huge gaping hole in her back.

And last thing she really probably remembers is the chicken room. And she's watching somebody else gets killed, which means she's next. Memorability you'd most want from this movie, definitely not the mask or the clothes, but I think the original chainsaw would be an amazing. I can't even imagine what that would go for in an auction.

Yeah, I think the hitchhiker's little pouch that he had with the pictures and the... And the sign, the We Slaughter Barbecue would be a good one. That'd be cool. If that Polaroid photo existed, that'd be cool. Yeah. Coach Finstock, Mr. Miyagi, were a best, worst life lesson.

The gas station guy says this at one point. There's just something you do for, to do it. You don't have to lack it. But I think the real lesson is don't pick up pitch-rackers. Yeah, we're always having a full tank. Best double feature choice? I'll probably go last house on the left, although it is equally disturbing.

So I don't think it would be like, it wouldn't be a good night, but it is an interesting snapshot in movie history. I'm going to go with The help. The help. No, I'm kidding. I'm going to go with Halloween. I went deliverance.

Oh, deliverance is good. Yeah. Road trip gone wrong. I went to Halloween just to compare and contrast like how much Halloween crib done chainsaw, that stuff. Who in the movie? Hooper? Yeah, I think so.

Because he's the one who has the most of a career afterwards. becomes a Hollywood hot shot for a while, is at the universal lot with Spielberg, gets involved with a directs poltergeist, you know. So he had the best career coming out of this. All right, Craig. You never saw it. Nope.

I expected to hate it. And I have to admit, I don't know what's happening with me, but my tolerance is getting better where I'm starting to be able to enjoy these movies a little bit. And I'm also starting to find humor in the horror films, which I don't think I ever really used to be able to do. Thank you.

Yeah. Thank you. But, like, the dinner scene is funny. Like, it's like a fucked up sitcom a little bit. It's like a weird, disturbed stage play of those three as she's sitting there screaming. Or, like, the guy washing the car at the gas station. I'm just, like, starting to be able to relax and kind of enjoy these a little bit. Yeah.

I'm sure Liz is psyched. She didn't get close to this. She was, like, when I walk. No. No shot in hell. She didn't even want to hear about the movie. Yeah, I don't know. Everything you guys said, I completely agree with.

I thought the aesthetic of this movie is wonderful. I thought it was super well acted. The editing was great. It's just sticky, and this movie feels so real, which I think is the... I agree with you that... I actually prefer stuff like... I like stuff rooted in reality more than I do

supernatural, demons, like insidious or the conjuring, something like that. This, to me, is just, like, more interesting. And... Yeah. We had an interesting exchange on text where you were like, uh,

this is why this is why this... country is fucked up is because we make movies like this. And I said to you, I think we make movies like this because this country is fucked up. It's a chicken egg thing. Yeah. Well, and the more I read about the movie and like the intentions of the film, I understood what you were saying. Yeah.

Or if you listen to Bill, it's because he was in a hardware store. There's a little bit of both. When I was in college in film school, I remember, we had one professor that did this really cool exercise where he showed this scene. I think it was from Jaws. I can't remember. And it was like us analyzing the scene and why it was so smart

and how it was composed and all this stuff talking about the themes, why they chose what they did, why the light post is right here. And then at the end, you find out that Spielberg or whatever the director was like, oh no, we had to shoot it like that because right to the left was a construction site. Yeah.

And he was like, sometimes it's both. Like sometimes everything is intentional and other times they're just making it work with what they got. I like, I basically look at it as like I don't think about intention, I think. try to think about text. Now, thinking about intention is super fun,

and it's interesting to talk about. But when you're actually analyzing a movie, it doesn't really matter whether or not they only shot that because they had two minutes of light left or, you know, like they were running out of film that day. It's just more interesting just to think about what it winds up being. This movie's just a great example of if you have no budget, if you have no actors,

if the director and probably the editor just have good taste, if they just have a good eye, anything can work. Yeah. Bluerich was like that. Yeah. Paranormal was like that too. Although I thought the star of that movie was pretty good actually. What was your name, Katie Featherstone? Of Paranormal Activity One?

Yeah. I think so. I thought she was all right. All right. So we're going to do some horror movies or what? Yeah, we'll do at least one or two more this month. Okay. There's some good ones. We have a lot left.

I mean, as you know, I love horror movies about as much as anyone. And we've intentionally kind of not done too many of them just because some people don't like them. Yeah. Have you seen any recent horror films? Did you see Resident Evil? No, I haven't seen Resident Evil yet. I'm excited for that one. People liked it, right?

I think it's been a good... Listen, they're making more than ever. They're all varying degrees. Some big names now, like the Craigers and obviously Ariasters. It's a really vibrant time. I mean, there's streaming services that do nothing but play horror. Like, you know, a lot of horror is pretty readily available on services and on physical media. We'll give it, like, the Simmons fame will give it about 10 minutes.

Yeah. If it's a stream or horror movie, like, there was one recently, Passengers. I thought it was okay. It was okay. And the premise was like, I don't know, they're driving along and somebody, they see an accident. And then it's a little like it follows it. I couldn't quite get there with it. But everybody's making an effort just to try to scare us.

I appreciate it. It's October. It might be 100 degrees out, but it's still Halloween. Thanks to Craig. Thanks to Gahav. Thanks to Eduardo and Chris as well. And we'll see you next week on the rewatchments.