The Rewatchables - ‘The Town’ With Bill Simmons, Ryen Russillo, and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: August 2, 2019

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Ryen Russillo think they’re betta than you as they revisit the Boston classic ‘The Town’ directed by and starring Ben Affleck, and featuring Jeremy Renner and Jon Hamm. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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slash rewatchables. Coming up, I'll see you again this side of the other. The town. Right after this. I'm thinking about making a change. Taking heat.

Either you got heat on your don't. We like these guys. The six jobs. Let's get out there and find them. I'm done. I'm putting this whole town in my review. As people, I can't let you walk away from. I'm not afraid.

You're taking down in the Cathedral of Barton. My guys can handle it without me. You're going to do what I ask. The town, Richard R. It's on September 17th. All right, Chris Ryan is here. Ryan Rissillo is here, breaking his rewatchable's virginity. He wanted to do, what was the one you want to do?

Fear. I was only going to do fear. And then, I don't know, I had to give in a little. Nobody else was with you. you on fear. It would have been a solo pod, which I think would have been even we're going to do it. I'm going to launch it like just as a third party. That's good. We're doing the town.

We all love this movie. It came out 10 years ago. It's aged beautifully. It is a classic rewatchable movie. It's a classic Boston movie. It's a classic Bankhist movie. I'll start here. The best Boston movies ever. Did you make your list?

I just want to say up top. Let's start it. When I was, when I was, When I was in the office just now and I said, I'm going to do this pie with Bill and Ryan. I'm doing the town. Megan Schuster was like, your role is to be the get back coach. What a great line. But I'm going to say it right now, I'm like Lincoln Riley.

I just want you guys out in the open field. I want you making place. I want you guys just running into space. So whatever we're going to do, we're going to do it. Before I do this Best Boston movie thing, just quickly, why do we love this movie? Ryan Rissillo? The comeback Spirit Award for Ben Affi. on this um just where it was headed people were just beating up on him and then he gets super jacked

a ton of tats really nails the accent throughout um i don't know how he didn't yell cut during the scene with blake lively where he would like ast her out for real was just going hey i you know like i know like a coolish corner club house like we're just you know like what are you doing like show you around um he i just i felt like afflick was heading down this path and it just happens to You know, it must be weird to be that famous and it's this unavoidable thing for some people. It's like, yeah, I don't know if it just went south. And I think that was like the star, again, that was gone girl

where it was like, no, dude, I'm awesome again. Well, and Argo. Yeah, Argo, I guess was the big one too. So the Affleck Renaissance, 07 Gone Baby Gone, he directs. And at that point, he is the classic, huge assent, huge crash. Everybody's just shitting on him, culminating in Gili. Because it's like five years of hot Goodwill hunting, Armageddon stuff, and then it's like 10 years. So goodwill hunting, him and Damon are just beloved.

Yeah. Damon has some really interesting smart career choices. And Affleck's just like, I'm grabbing money. I'm going to be an action star. I'll do anything. Some of all fears. Yeah. He's just chasing lanes.

He's just cranking out movies. Starts dating J-Lo. I like him in mall rats, though. I love him. That's a Chris Ryan favorite. Controversial character in mall rats, I guess. Oh, yeah, I didn't play well. Actually, should we delete that? Definitely controversial.

Project Greenlight, he has going on HBO. He's dating J-Lo. And the wheels really start to come off. He has some substance issues. And by the mid-2000s, it's like, becomes like an athlete. You know, like a Penny Hardaway type situation where you're just like, oh, man, I really like that. It's too bad what happened. Gone, baby, gone, scratching back. You guys even had beef. I didn't like that he dated a Yankee fan and brought her to Fenway and she was wearing the Yankee hat. I felt like that was a betrayal of us, of us specifically. So you're really enjoying Sunday night baseball is where you're telling you. Definitely not. Definitely not. So Gone Baby Gone.

2009, he's in, he's just not that into you, which was actually a very successful rom-com. He's in state of play and he does this. And this is a very well-directed, well-done movie that made a lot of money. He does the company men, which didn't do that well. I love the company. I know. They didn't do that well. I thought it was good.

But then the town Argo Gong Girl, Honor. Yeah. And he's back at that point. Then he's Batman. And he's just really the ultimate Hollywood comeback story. And then he becomes Batman. And now we are where we are. I'm not worried.

I'm not worried. I just think this is his career. I think he goes up and down. When did you do any given Wednesday? 2016. Yeah. Yeah. Are you closer with him?

or Damon? Neither. Come on, dude. Just friendly. Friendly. What's the last, most recent call to Damon or Affleck? Well, the last time I... Well, I saw both of them at the World Series.

They're like real Boston fans still. And I think that's why we like... One of the reasons I like this movie, he approaches it in all the right ways for a Boston movie. Like, they use locals. They do Charlestown. He actually really researched it. They use all the bars.

that they should have used. They use all the streets they should have used. And the authenticity of it, I think, is what stands out for me. The casting of this is incredible because there's just so many guys, like the first truck driver that they rob, and you're like, that looks like my roommate from college is dad. You know what I mean? Okay, that looks like a guy who's a bouncer at a spot.

Whether it's Fergie's dude with the greatest Boston tattoo of all time with the Charlestown zip coat on it and the Irish flag. Like, that guy's a real dude. And the bartender at Soley's all that stuff. Everything's perfect. It's just, if you've never spent any time there, like, there's just so many times where people will try to cast things the right way. And, you know, not to name drop, but I'm just going to do it. When we had Walberg in studio, and we've had them in studio a couple times when I was back doing in studio stuff.

And I was like, what's your rule on the Boston accent? And Walberg just goes, I'm talking about Mark. He goes, if you can't do it, you just, we just go, hey, you can't. Do we pull you to the side? Hey man, you can't do it. We're not going to let you do a Hanks, catch me if you can thing. And you're just going to talk like a normal person.

You'll be normal talking guy. Which is basically, I think, what they did with John Hammond in this movie. Perfect. Yeah. I think they're like, don't worry about the Boston accent. That's what they did, John Hain.

Connery, midway through 100 for October. They're like, just do Scottish. It's okay. We know you're Russian. Right. And the departed that gets all the love. Like, I was going through all the Boston movie rankings, which I know, I don't know what we're doing it now.

Like, departed to me gets, like, it shouldn't be as unanimous the number one Boston movie, as I think people look at it, and that accents all over the place. Baldwin's pretty bad. The other thing people don't understand about the Boston accent, too, is that there's just pockets that don't get it. It's like a weird, you know, it's like plagues in the 1700s. We're like, how come this town got wiped out? Right. Randolph is good. Like, we're all right. There's just weird pockets of people that grow up in different areas outside of Austin for whatever reason. Like, some guys just don't, like, it can skip a generation. And then in

Rhode Allen, it's like, it's like the drunk Boston accent. Yeah, it's the Boston accent on steroids. Chris Ryan, why do you love this movie? Yeah, well, I mean, I lived in Boston for about five years in the 90s, mid-90s to late 90s. Yeah, we were living there together. It's unbelievable stuff. Yeah, it's very bizarre. I mean, you, you definitely came into Newbury when I was working there. 100,000 percent. You worked at Newberry Comics? Yeah. I guarantee you. I, I, well, there was a lot of branches. I didn't know if you were going to the Saugus one. Well, yeah, there was the one in the Framingham.

Yeah, they had a bunch. National. Yeah, but I, but I, look at you and I know I know which one you worked at. I can't. There's a 95% chance I paid Chris Ryan money and took a CD or a T-shirt or something. Probably. Or some South Park memorabilia. No, I don't think I was buying that. Probably a bootlegia. Here's the thing about Boston. I always, I noticed, I think this is somewhat dependent on like at the time in your life when you're in a city. But Boston was a lot like Philly and that it was a hometown city. Almost everybody I knew was from there.

You know, and it was like, it was still like a lot of people who grew up in Boston, stayed in Boston, worked in Boston, their parents lived in and around Boston. It was a lot like Philadelphia in that way. And New York and L.A., the two places I've lived since, you just meet a lot more transplants. Yeah. And when you have a hometown city like that, there is that tension of like, this is my city, is my fucking city.

You know, it's like a lot more like the townies versus the people from outside. There's a lot more tension with class. There's a lot more tension with like whose neighborhood is what, how the neighborhood is changing. and this movie gets that so well. Because all the stuff, even down to like the Claire Kese character who's nominally from the area and is doing a lot of good things,

but she's different, like she's from the outside to those guys. I think this movie does that better than almost any other Boston movie. They try to get at that to departing with your lace cut and, you know. It feels, it makes me the most nostalgic for Boston, I think of all the movies, because it does the best job of just being like, oh yeah, Boston and all these different spots.

There's probably too many helicopter shots. But there's so many, like, okay, watching this movie as many times as we have. Yeah. Different things you pick up, like on the ninth time and then watch the director cut. Yeah, they just, they're like, hey, we're throwing you another helicopter shot. Hey, here's a Fenway again. But it's really cool. Like, I always try to explain to people, like when you think about the actual geography,

the topography of Boston and that it was basically an island with this thin little neck that led to it. And then when you show somebody a map of it from before, you go, wait a minute, that doesn't make any sense. You go, well, that's why the streets are so screwed up. I mean, I lived there for seven years, and I still would kind of be like, am I 100% sure where I'm going to get from one end of the town? Like, I had a sense of direction, but you're like, oh, wait, I'll take a left here. Oh, shit. What is this? Oh, now there's a cone up?

Yeah. Like, what is this? And what you realize was is that whole city on a hill thing is that's what the city was. And Charlestown is off. And, I mean, it's so separated originally. And then they just started backfilling it all in. Like, it's really crazy when you think of the history. of how the city was actually constructed.

And so when you see all these great shots, and yes, there's a ton. But yes, when you live there, you go like, oh, wow, that's where that is. Or that's how that connects to that. It's such a different city in the way it's constructed. And obviously, you could call it really cute or really frustrating. But even when they, and to his point, to Ryan's point,

when they do close the fucking bridge, you're like, oh, they're going to close the bridge. Because you have a sense of the geography of the city. They shoot in enough different neighborhoods that it feels like, oh, I can tell the North End is different. than Charlestown and it's different than all these other neighborhoods. Yeah, the North End too, like when people were saying, oh, well, now he goes

the wrong way. Hey, you know, relax. I know that's probably a one-way street in front of Brieco. Like, just, just relax. Well, one of the other reasons... I don't think that is a one-way street, by the way, but...

One of the other reasons I love this movie is I lived in Charlestown for eight and a half years. And... Did you hang out with guys like this? I mean, they filmed that old, Solis and New Sollies. So old sullies was a bar on the same street that I lived down Pleasant Street. And it was at the end of the block.

It's the scene when he comes in. It's that scene where you can see the highway behind them in the bar. And he comes down and talks to renter. And renter's like, do you take care of that thing with the driver's license yet? That was old sullies. People like me weren't allowed to go into Old Solis. That was like townies only. Yeah.

And if we walked in, they would just stare at you until you left. Women were not allowed in there. It was just one of those bars. News Seleys was the one that opened on the main street. That's where they filmed the John Han Blake lively scene when he's hitting on it. It's just 10 and a half inches. So that's...

By the way, how about the directors cut... That's New Seleys. How about the director's cut where they take out that line? Yeah. And the whole director's cut, you know, release... Yeah, we got to hit that later. Should we just hold off? Yeah, hold off.

Because there's a line in there. The director's cut, you go like, oh, I totally can see why they took that out. Yeah, yeah. Because it was awkward. But then in the director's cut, Warren Tavern was there, which was the iconic Charlestown bar and just the whole streets and everything. It was a great place to live. You could walk across the bridge and go to Celtics games. And there was a tension, which they tried to hit in this movie between the townies, the people

that were there forever. And then people like me, these young people that were moving in because there was still like a rent inefficiency, basically. Then it started to take off in the 90s. And you had these people that were kind of transplants from different areas in Massachusetts. And then people that have been there their whole lives that were gonna, their parents are gonna die and they were gonna take over the house

and then they were gonna die and their kids are gonna take over the house and that's Charleston. I never really knew the bank robbery stuff like to the degree it's portrayed in this movie where they're basically saying this is bank robbery.

But I would say like in Boston this isn't, I don't mean this at any way whatsoever but like in Boston you didn't like have to look that hard to find guys like gem. You know what I mean? Like just like you'd be in a bar

and something would happen and you'd be like, oh, okay. That's why the town is absolutely horrifying. Because, like, gems would go out on Milk Street. And they would go to, like, the spots that we would go to. And you would just kind of be like, you know what? Like, you don't know. I mean, you don't know. That's what's so scary about it.

Well, one of my best friends there was my buddy J-Bug, who I'm still friends with. And we would go to New Sellies. And, you know, around 1 o'clock, it could get a little dicey. And I would always Jaybug knew way more than I did And I would always judge how he was Regarding people that might come over We could sports you can bond with anybody

No matter how drunk or belligerent they are The sports can always connect There's this one time though there was like a gem type person And it was clear he wanted to start shit And I saw Jabbug we were talking to him And Jaybug just kind of grabbed his beer bottom He was holding it And I was like oh this is bad

He's holding his bottle like just in case this heats up. So now I'm like, yeah, some Red Sox and just try it. But that... You're like, why Veritas the leather man of the clubhouse? Are you ready for this?

The gems are out there though. And it is, that character, I think, was captured the best in this movie. I've tried... Other movies have tried Renner as Jim in this movie is the best version of that character.

Yeah. Because I always, you know, it's just the viewer right. I mean, the things that you sit there and be like, well, why can't Jim just walk away? Well, because the movie would suck. you know why can't why can't he have that scene with ben afflick where he's like you know what you're

right i'm gonna hang it up and i'm yeah yeah we're good we've done enough bankrab like hell or high water right the whole time yeah you're looking at the other dude but like can't you just relax we're like well no that's the whole point in the movie and it is a little cliched but that that character has to exist but in the way that renner is i mean renner's about as much a lock as there is right now I don't think he's looked at his DeCaprio or I don't know where he's at with Damon comparisons. But if renter's in something, I'm in. I just know I'm in. Even tech?

There's certain genres that I know maybe if I'm on a flight and there's one channel. So he got nominated for this. Yeah. Deservingly. Yeah. I met him. Not impressed. Now it was a party on my terms. It was something I was involved with.

On my terms? What does that mean? Because somebody asked me, they were like, you met him? You're like, well, how did it go? And I go, well, I went through this thing of completely oblivious, think you just say hello to people. Like, hey, yeah, you know, no, I know my name's not on the show of Van Pelt, but I'm on it every day. And then it went from aware, cautiously aware, to now where I won't say anything unless, like, I know the other person's going to, right. Like, there's some actual connection.

So I went up and was like, oh, hey, you know, and he was with another dude who was in that show Brotherhood that I absolutely loved that no one really talked about that was on showtime. I was like, hey, you know, and it was over quick, which I was like, man. So then when he nailed Jim, I'm like, there you go. Yeah. That's why. Completely over-it white guy who's like, no, dude, we're good. Well, so one of the interesting things are this movie, I can't remember if I texted this to you or not.

It's, I think, a top four Boston movie. And it's a top four Bankheist movie. It's in two different Mount Rushmore's. The Quadrants are pretty rich there. Yeah. So my Boston movie list, the verdict one, Goodwill Hunting 2, the Departed 3, the town for. That's my amount, Rushmore.

Where do you have, Rossellow? All right. Fever pitch one. He's going to stare a hole through your skull right now. Celtic Pride, too. Beech out! My son watched fever pitch on the airplane.

Yeah. And he was riveted the whole time and then he was like, Dad, that sucked. So it's going to see a new generation knows that movie is terrible. He must have so happy. All right, can we just start the verdict because I think the verdict is at the top of so many lists. This is your worst take.

But is it, I'm doing it apprehensively, though, so I don't even feel like this is a take. Is Boston a character in this movie? Yes, this is, his version of Is Home Alone a Christmas movie? You're right. Home alone is it a Christmas movie. Okay, all right. So I don't have the verdict in there. Goodwill, no doubt.

Ted, no, made the cut. I have a list here. I think fear was inspired by events from Boston, but didn't take place there. I'm going to go, The Town, Spotlight, Goodwill Hunting, and I think Manchester by the sea, even though it's not Boston, that captures the Massachusetts thing as well as any movie. That's a good one. If we're going on Massachusetts movies, that's in there. Or New England movies. Well, Jaws, a lot of guys consider the Vineyard Boston, so I'll put that. fifth. What do you have, Chris? Blown away. Jeff Bridges? Yeah. What about that?

Nicole Eger. No, that's the different blown away. I never quite got there with Blown Away. I mean, talking about bad Massachusetts accents. I guess Tommy Lee Jones is doing Irish the entire time. The car chase at the end where they're just going downhill for five minutes. I'm like, there's no part of Boston where you go downhill for the slug. So I think blown away because at that time when it came out was like, wait a minute, they're doing a Boston movie? Yeah. Like that didn't happen. Well, they were also filming it in Boston, which had never. I remember. Yeah. And it was like a big deal.

That in the real world coming to Boston in the mid-night days. Those were the two things. The Renaissance. It's like, oh, man, look at us. And shockingly, the real world in Boston, they're like, okay, we're kind of. It was the worst. We're actually bored. Yeah.

They did it in beacon hell. It was a disaster. What do you have for top four, Chris? I like yours. I was just thrown blown away. And I would adjust probably the order. Like, verdict is incredible. But I think, I think actually this and and departed are up in like kind of a tear by themselves.

I have spotlight. I really like Spotlight, and I think it's coming closer and closer to being a rewatchable's podcast for us. Well, I mean, it was one of the inspirational texts for some of the awards. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think it does have in all the president's men kind of legs possibility where 40 years from now, that's still a relevant movie that I'm watching. And the acting's really good. And it's just good.

Yeah, just because a movie is filmed in Boston doesn't mean it nails. I mean, not to sound cheesy, but the spirit of it. the interaction of all these people. So when you watch the town, you go, okay, you look at the people, you see the, I mean, there's, if you try to act as a guy who's not an actor in the town, then you actually kind of expose yourself a little bit. It's like, no, no, just be who you've been your entire life.

That's who we want as the character. You're not going to be on screen long enough. Like the guy, the guard that lets them in to Fenway at the end, he just nails it. He just goes, you know, he's like, he knows what he's doing is screwed up. He knows he doesn't want to deal with it. He's like officer. I mean, look, the one,

driver gets cast in everything. It's a Boston movie. So he's just, you know, waiting on every single Boston script that comes out. So I'm surprised you have the departed up that high. Because I feel like I love the departed, so. Black Mass doesn't deserve consideration.

No. I just wish the book Black Mass, which the departed basically is based on, and then they do Black Mass. I wish there was just a perfect version, a hybrid of that that was like strictly the book and the hardcore. But at this point you can't really do it because they've already done it sort of on the book and then the depart which was based on the book starting over i had as a runner up spotlight gone baby gone patriot's day i think no boom doc saints no no boondock saints so i knew i knew i knew afaq a little bit in the late 2000s from jimmy because jimmy had done the fucking matt damon fucking bet afuck videos and

had just put us on an email and we're talking aflick was telling me how he was doing this the town i didn't know what it was who's i knew it was the chuck hogan book so i'm turning this into a movie. I'm really excited about it. And filming in Charlestown, oh my God, to Charlestown emails. And then it became clear, we probably had like 10, 12 emails about it, how important the Boston thing was for him.

Like he really, because he had already stumbled on it and Gone Baby Gone, Baby Gone, where they used a lot of the locals and the authenticity of that worked. And in this one, he was like, this is going to be a much bigger movie with a much higher ceiling, but I still want to keep that. So he was down in Charlestown and in Boston. you know, really doing real research and talking to people and scouting and trying to find

the perfect locations. It was, that's why the movies is good. Yeah. That's why this movie's good because of the work they put in originally. And anybody who's like from Boston, right? Like I make that vineyard. When people are like, you're from Boston, I go, I'm not, man. I live there for seven years. But I mean, I'm not. I'm not that guy because it's so disrespectful to somebody who actually is like a, even Brookline guys are reserved and like, well, I'm from Brookline. Yeah. Well, you're next time. I'm like, yeah, that's not really boss. I was chest on hell, which was Boston, but not totally. Right. And so Affleck even admits, he goes, dude, I was from Cambridge. Yeah. Like, I didn't even know anything about Charlestown. So I went down and just started doing the whole thing. And I don't know if somebody else would have been able to do it as well unless you're from there. I mean, it's the same thing with, you're going to have to help me with this name. Tom, the guy from Spotlight. McCarthy, who, I mean, is probably one of the, he's written probably two of my favorite movies ever. Like, when I found out he did Get Up and Spotlight. And by the way, like the irony of his character and the wire as the journalist.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. stuff, how that came back around. It's just like anybody else. Like if I wrote a show about Miami and South Beach, people from there would be like, you, did you, like, what did you care? Come here or a couple weekends? Right. Like, you don't get it.

So, you know, that's why this work. Best Bankkeist movies. Here's my list. Top four, Mount Rushmore. Heat one, the town two, dog day afternoon three, point break four. That's what I got. Where's Den of Thieves? Seven.

Inside Man 5, out of sight 6. Kim Director. Den of Thieves 7. What do you got, Roussel? Inside Man is really good. It's a really easy watch. Yeah. That's a good rewatch.

I didn't, I really felt bad leaving it out of my Mount Rushmore. Heat is number one. How about the shoutout to heat? Just him watching heat? There's like multiple shoutouts, overt and not as overt. It's essentially structured the same as heat too. It feels a bit like when swingers does the shout to reservoir dogs where, I mean, that one's like right in your face like, hey, this is reservoir dogs. But with that, the heat shoutouts, that was pretty cool.

So the sting doesn't count because we went bank heist. What about a fish called Wanda? No. No. Okay. Bottle Rockets out because it was a library and then a warehouse. Yeah. It takes Ocean's 11 out.

Are you doing every heist movie? I actually, I'm going to admit, I googled heist movies. Not bank heist. Fast five might be a bank heist movie. And now I'm realizing I should have put that in my top far. Is that a bank ice movie? Diamond story, yeah. Three.

Inception was listed in the heist movies. No. No bank, though. Yeah. That's stealing your mind. But the scene of the crime is in your mind. Yeah. Exactly, Chris.

So you don't have a top far? I got, I got heist in Boston. I don't know. I never got the specific nature. of bank heist. I don't have like a... So I just wrote down a bunch of heist. Ronan.

Ronan is... Is that a bank? Nah, it's just a heist. They're just robbing a gun deal, right? Yeah, I don't think there's a... There may have been an ATM in front of that little... But... There is a Thomas Cook Traveler Shepard...

Underated heist movie, Focus with Will Smith. Which... Very underrated. To the point where... I think no one liked it. No, it's... That's a good movie. Focus is a legitimately good movie.

Isn't that... I will die in the Focus Corner. Well, the first half is in the Super Bowl. The second half is a whole race car heist thing. But it's Margot Robbie. It's Will Smith. Like being Will Smith again for one movie. You're not in on Focus?

I think it was fine. It's not a bank movie. I watched it on an airplane because when I flew to Hawaii, I didn't realize they didn't have Wi-Fi. And I had all the stuff I was going to do on the plane and then there's no Wi-Fi. And I'm going through the movies and there's nothing. I'm like, I'll watch Focus again. I was like, wow, this is really good.

I was shocked. I like Margo Robbie. Dog Day afternoon. overrated? It's Pacino and Cazil. I mean, that's really, like, the pedigree of that movie. I get it. That's like one of those.

That's like LeBron and Wade together in 2011, just wreaking havoc in the regular season. Maybe the playoffs. And I don't mean like it's bad. I just, the way it gets talked about all the time, because I think for its time and the subjects that they took on where it's like all of a sudden, this took a real turn.

And New York City had this thing looking back on these movies that were coming out of the city where it must have freaked out the road. of the country. We're like, what? Yeah. Like, what's going on in that city? Like, what's up with this storyline? So I think the, the, I don't know, pioneering subjects that it took on, then it's deserved it. I count that in my rankings. I don't think it holds up as well as other classics. But that's why the verdict, I think part of what was great about the verdict was that was the

first time Paul Newman really played like an old beaten down guy. He was in Slapshot five years earlier. Yeah. And then he does verdict. He does color of money. It was like, oh my God, Newman's like, really. really letting it out and let it happen here. The only other couple ones I would throw in for bank movies, probably a getaway, Sam Pek and Paul movie with Steve McQueen, Ali McGraw in the 70s.

Really good. Really good one. There's a couple of French ones that are pretty good, but it doesn't matter. Sounds like pride. Let's do. I've done this before in the rewatchables. Essentially a bank movie?

Who are you in the bank heist? Chase Surrano and I have done this bit twice. I'm the driver. So you're the wheelman. I'm the wheelman. You got, you're Haystberg. I'll only give him your first names. Great line.

Are you the guy that flips out because the bank manager was looking at him wrong? You think I'm Jim. You were wing grow? The guy kept eyeball on it. I had to get it on, man. He was looking at me. Yeah, I know. I had to get it on.

No, I'd be more of a team player than the guy from Heat. Like, that guy was too much of a wild card. Chris is the guy who's telling me. the lady who has to open this safe. Like, it's fine. Just relax. You've got this. We're here for the bank's money, not yours. You go do laundry maybe?

Nobody's going to get hurt. Don't freak out. Just get this done. Yeah, I'm the place of reason. I'm not going back to jail. So the town, 7.7 in Rotten Tomatoes, that's that that matters, grossed 154 million. National Border Review, top 10 films in 2010. I was blown away by that.

I looked all this stuff up. Did you see the part where Affleck was kind of brought on after, like, this thing kicked around and they couldn't figure it out and they sentenced some scripts and they go, nope, this isn't it, this isn't it, this isn't it. And Affleck, in a way, kind of saved. I'm sure there's people that deserve as much credit, but they just weren't written about where Affleck comes in and kind of saves the day on this thing. But I don't know why it felt like in the moment, like no one liked it as much. And then I go back and research all this stuff. I go, oh, I guess it did. I guess it did get more acclaim than I thought. Yeah.

This is a movie like Friday Night Lights where I remember like it wasn't talked about enough when it was out, but almost everybody I knew who saw it was like, that was a fucking good movie. That was really good. I just wish, like, they can just remake heat every 10 years. It's fine. Like, just go ahead and do it. We've,

you may and Shay love Dan at Thieves. That wasn't even a good movie. And I watched it three times the summer already. But you open with a bank heist. And there's a long cat and mouse between the cop and the bank robber. You open with the, with the graphic of some sentence of like,

84% of all bank robberies take place in square mile. This is just one of those stories. And then just, Just like the bank ice happening, somebody fucking up. The guy's barely getting away. Yeah. And then we're off. Yeah, but there needs to be some sort of cathedral.

Yeah. So like somebody rips off Venice Beach. That's right. Oh, yeah. Muscle Beach. Like steal these plates. Renner nominated for Best Supporting Actor. Roger Ebert.

I bet he liked it. Three out of four stars. That's what I figured. He praised Renner's performance in Affleck's direction. Raj. Roger's on a comeback now in the rewatchable as it feels like. All right. Let's do the categories.

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of free access, Luminary.orgas slash Simmons. Cancelain time. Terms apply. Okay. Most rewatchable scene. Jesus. I had a lot of scenes. A lot of scenes. The opening heist. It's a great way to start the movie. Some highlights. I love pre-robbery meetings. I love the technical side of it. If you get done with that opening scene, you go, maybe it's not that hard. All you got to do is have some Chlorox. How would you compare the pre-rex? How would you compare the pre-ex? pre-robbery meeting to a typical radio show meeting before like a 10 o'clock show with SVP.

Same kind of execution. You guys are there. You're boiling the mics. You're getting everything ready. All right. 10.50. That's when we're going to do college football. No, I think it would be, it would be more like, I'd be like, we need to go in this way.

And then Scott would be like, well, no, don't you think we can go in that way? And I'd be like, why are you challenging me? Like, why are you telling me? Like, I've been robin. banks. The bank robber masks. Point Break had the best masks. These are way up there, though.

They're kind of ominous. The nun shot where he's got the automatic rifle and the kid looks at them when they're driving through the North End. Slow motion. That paid off. I really like Claire nervously trying to work the safe. Let's go! And Affleck doing that.

Take your time. Okay. Put his hand on her hand. Yeah. Although she lies. I mean, think how shady Clear is. Yeah, we're going to get to that later. I think Claire is... It's really all Claire's fault. Yeah, Claire is a mission. The one wildcard guy who goes too far, in this case, renter, but a staple of the

bank heist. Somebody's got to just... So you're just talking about all within the first bank's... This is all in the first scene. And then... And then Claire walking to the water blindfolded, blindfolded, and then the opening credits come up. It's just a home run. It's really good. It's a really good six minutes. Great shot when they cut to the title card of her and like you see the water.

And it's followed by the obligatory helicopter shot over Boston. And whatever that, what is that East Boston near the airport where there isn't anything? Like only shady things happen there apparently. Every movie ever that takes place. I think Nicholson kills like five guys there. Hey, let's like Black Mass has it. I mean, sitting on a hill has a deal with the stolen truck where it's like, let's drive out to that little water area. I want to visit it.

Yeah. They should turn it into a tourist attraction with just like a hot-rock stand. What would you do also if like you're taking somebody out there to execute them at that place and there's already something going on there? It's like, are you guys using the Rocky Beach?

Like nobody takes this. They did that in Mystic River too, didn't they? There's a little water scene. That's where he takes Robbins, right? I lived when I was in Charlestown. It was hop on the highway right over the bridge. Wait, is Mystic River not like up there in Boston movies? No?

I have some issues. Is that my daughter? I have some issues with that movie. We don't need to get to them now. Okay. Next, we watch. To do this for this pot is incredible. Affleck telling Renner.

I need you help. I can't tell you what it is. You can never ask me about it later. And we're going to hurt some people. Whose cow we taking? That's, and then there's in the deleted, or the director's cut, there's an additional scene where they go buy some drugs to find out the Dominican guy's name, which they don't really need in the movies.

So they cut in the real movie. They go in. They beat the shit out of you can see these guys. And Renner shoots the guy Legos, there goes college soccer. That's the fucking best line in the movie. Oh. Oh.

Oh. Shocker. There goes college soccer. That's the kind of thing where you want to meet the guy that wrote that specific. Like, who was the one guy that wrote that one line? Because it's fucking perfect. That might have been an ad lib. You think Renner has that?

Then Renner should be Orson Wells. We're going to make Renner T-shirts. If he came up with that as an ad-lib. And in the director's cut, he, takes a glass bottle and carves into the back of his head with it. And then the glass that's on the ground, he pushes his face into the glass on the ground. And I did think in the real movie,

I'm like, wait a minute, how do they figure out where these guys were? And there was this Coke deal. And then they dumped Coke all over them at the end. And I still don't think it was that easy to figure out. But I mean, sometimes with the movie, you just go,

hey, look, we're going from this scene to that scene. Yeah, but I thought that the drug deal also made sense, too, because you find out a little bit more about Afflex's drug problem, about Doug's drug problem with that. In the director's cut, you're talking. Oh, Doug, you're back. Kind of like, obviously, and he used to cop.

It was interesting. But the scene, it was more gruesome in the director's cut. Apparently, I don't know if it's testing or they just go, hey, you know, we don't need it. Like, the people everyone's rooting for are actually bad guys

and they're shooting at cops. So we don't need to add this stuff. But that scene's awesome. That scene, also the moment when, like, Doug's trying to leave and Jim turns around, he's like, what did you do? That's my brother. My brother's so mad.

Yeah. It was so good. And he takes off his mask, which is really smart. It's an important scene because it really fully establishes the Affleck-Runner connection where you just show up at somebody's house. He's hanging out. You're like, hey, I need you. We're going to hurt some people.

I'm never going to tell you what it's about. The guy's like, all you need to know about, Jen. In most of those scenes, Affleck is just like, you got to calm down. I need you to, like, play with him lines. He's trying to rein him in. He's like, you're a fucking hindrance to me. And then he's like, yeah, but you use this guy when you need him. Right.

Right. Next scene, Renner and Affleck. Doug and Claire having lunch outside. And Renner shows up. Just want to point out, very effective slow motion, him trying to get rid of Renner. Then Claire coming out of the bathroom walking outside again, the slow-mo cut, back to Affleck, trying to calculate what he should do in the moment. the fact that

it probably took me the night time to know this but she knew about the rent her neck tattoo in the back that's why he's

in there filling it from the back and he's putting well no here's the part I never noticed I'm not making fun of you it blows my mind

that you didn't figure that out no I noticed that part the part when Affleck's saying goodbye he puts his hand around the back of his head

to give him a hug because he doesn't want yeah that's what I'm talking about yeah yeah I never noticed that never noticed it sorry I never noticed

that's a huge fucking moment alone is like hey I just miss it. I'm not perfect. I'm not perfect. I'm not perfect.

I just miss the actual. I miss. I know you're a writer. I'm not as much writer. I just missed the specific hand covering. That was really good. It's a great scene. Yeah, Gem.

You know that was actually, scholars would argue, it was based on Jim from to kill a Mockenberg. There's still some debate. You got laughs all the way back there for that. The North End Heist. Another rewatchable. Wait a second. You gotta have the scene where Doug goes to Jim and is like,

and Gem's just like, you haven't fucking lunch with every witness now? Like that scene like right after and Jim's eating a sandwich and drinking a budliser. Oh, you want to combine that in? A day bud bottle is something else. That scene. And that's the one where he's just like, go get the next job. And he's like, I don't like the gods on the next thing. One kid is like fucking G.I. Joe.

Special forces. He wears a vest on the outside and tucks his pants into his fucking combat boots. So how do you think Affleck was scouting these Brinks guards and security guards? Like, what was his process? Is it like a Major League Baseball Scout? Apparently, Sando Gravel has a program where it's kind of like he just punch. He can just leave work. Guys, I'll be right back.

And they're really cool. Like, hey, the cops are here to arrest me. Here's my helmet. And the guy outside of the trailer's like, yeah, Dougie. I mean, they're just huge, huge bees fans. And they're like, you know, we'll let McVeigh slide on a few of these things. If I was the supervisor at Sand and Gravel and the police shut up and Doug just is putting his hands behind his back. Like, he's done it 100 billion times.

I'm like, we might have to get rid of Doug. So he does work at Sand and Gravel. Like he doesn't do any shit in the movie, right? I don't think he's full time. It's, do you think he worked there more or less than Chuckie and Goodwill Hunting when he had a similar job? You could make the argument that maybe there's like Chuckie and Doug work together, you know, in the character. Or that you could have. Wait, me.

Is this a same person? No, that could have, his name could have been Chucky. He could have been different crew. The North End Heist is just probably going to be my pick. I haven't fully decided yet. That's close the fucking bridge, right? Yeah. Yeah.

And the guy, now that's how you drive a fucking car. Now that's how you drive a fucking car. Great. The cop looking away as the closer. Awesome. Probably the single best moment of the entire movie. On detail. I got a herald.

I don't need this shit right now. And then they say he didn't want to end up on the wall at the FFFW. So apparently that came from a story. Affleck interviewed all these convicted bank robbers in jail. And one of those convicted bank robbers told him that story about how they had finished the heist and were about to go jump cars. a cop looked at them and they stared at them and the cop looked away and that was directly stolen from that story. Yeah. That makes sense because it's so good. It's so good. It's so and it just,

there's that little moment and I don't know. I don't know if that feels just if you're friends with any cops and just to think like, hey, I'm on a construction detail right now. Yeah, yeah. Right. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm making sure nobody's double parked. Also, great moment when the guy, the driver gets out, they realize the driver's out, look around. The guy that he was worried about in the scouting report, so good scouting job by Doug, and then they blow them away anyway. That's a good scene. And also, I got to say, a really realistic car chase scene,

how they use the North End. They don't do the blown away bullshit where they're going downhill for nine blocks. The North End's like, it's fucking weird. It's one-way streets. It's a lot of terms. It's like an European city. Yeah. It's like an old European city.

But they did a nice job of capturing that. Next scene, half fucking renter outside the cemetery going mono-a-modo and eventually end up in the fight includes quotes like, cut it out. All you give a fuck about is Coke and Xbox. Now you're trying to play it off like you care about shine. Come on now. You know what you fuck a problem is?

What? You think you better than people. Uh-huh. Mr. fucking clean. Mr. fucking goddamn hiding. It's such a good line. It's so good because you're like, man, like a lot of, dudes.

Those things. It's the perfect breakfast of champions for a character like Jen. Because you know what your problem is? You think you're better than people, which had to be in this movie. They do it perfectly.

And then you grew up right here. Same rules as everyone else. A lot of, it hits a lot of notes. And then there's the fight which ends with Renner pistol whipping Affleck. Affleck fine, no blood.

A couple of problems with that. He really survived the pistol whip. If you're going to set up that Doug got basically thrown out of the Bruin system for fighting his own teammates. He's going to be a better fighter on that scene. He does go for the Jersey pole a little bit. Yeah, but he has seven inches and he's 70 pounds.

The pistol whipping doesn't come out until later. I get the gym's a tough guy. But I'd expect- No, this was char against Marshaun. I'd expect Dougie to be a little more solid in this. But you know what? Sometimes the madder guy wins. That's true.

And gems mad at the world every day he wakes up. But it was important, like even though- Sometimes the matter guy wins. Cut that out. It's a breakout. I do think that you need to, you know, establish, as stupid as it sounds, like you're still trying to tell some story. You're still trying to have this big payoff at the end.

And like, why wouldn't Doug just leave? He just wants to leave. The florist doesn't want him let him leave. Like, okay, then we start understanding all the backstory. But for Jim to go, hey, man, I did you a solid. I took this guy out. And did nine years for you. Right.

And it's just a little, it can sound cliche. Some of the criticisms of this movie were like, hey, it hit every cliche. in the book. This is ridiculous. Like, hey, when I, when Ham's yelling at him in the interrogation, he goes, well, I just want you to know that when you're put away, I'm the guy that put you away. Well, you know what? There's a reason why some of these cliches are in all these things, because they work. Because they work all the time because the audience has told us year after year forever, basically, hey, this is how we like our stories to be told to us. So even it's, it's just a functional thing to tie you back into why Affleck can't tell Renner to fuck off.

It was important. And he's got the sister too, which in the deleted scene. Which the extended... I don't like what he said about our girl. Extended cut. He has some mean things to say about Blake lively. Yeah. I know they cut deep with you. We're going to get to your love for Blake Lively later.

We haven't talked about... Blake Lysley, Chris. No, Chris. The character, Chris Coughlin. And then... Not a dude. And then about... Nickname.

In the deleted scene, we find out... They basically have no idea who Shine's father is. And Affleck insinuates... There's no way it's mine. It would be like trying to figure out American Idol. Trying to figure out who... And one of the things in the directors, they did seem to want to throw in as many town references

as they possibly could. Yeah, they used matapan in that. Saugus was in there. And then in the scene you're talking about, he goes, what is something like all the clinics in Matapan? Yeah, we'd have to go through every clinic in Matapan to find out who the dad was. That wasn't nice.

Yeah. Maybe that's why he got pissed a whip. Yeah, he might have deserved it. Next scene, Affleck versus Fergie the florist when he doesn't want to do the last heist, which Fergie, Pospolate, Not really in this that much, but when he's in it, he's shooting threes and he's, we're going to get to him in Dion Waiters, but he does that.

Who the fuck do you think you are? The only guy in Charlestown with a gun? You guys run numbers and pump dope. You're an old guy with a fucked up face who doesn't know glory of years behind him. I ain't fucking work with you. Got it? You got a problem with that? I live at 555-1-1-Bunk of Hill Street.

Stop by any time. It's great. Now that I know where you live. And then Fergis, like, noted. and then just goes in and basically like... I killed your mom. Yeah, I killed your mom. I gave her a little taste.

It's brutal. It's brutal. That seems so good. And then the bodyguard with the 0-2-1-29 tattoo in his arm with the flower and he's just kind of moderating it, holding a gun. It's great. It's like a sawed-off shotgun. And then the way he's stripping the roses too, the whole like, that guy's incredible. And he just, how long ago did he die?

Like five years ago. maybe a little longer. That's one of those, I think that was among his last roles, maybe, actually. That's one of those stores that if you live in Charlestown in the 90s and that's a store, everybody knows what's going on in the store. And when you're walking down that street,

you walk on the other side because you don't want to walk on the street where the stores. That's the vibe from those two dudes, especially Fergie. I wouldn't be going in there buying roses on Valentine's Day for my lady from Fergie the Flores.

Hey, hey, Fergie. What do you got any white roses today? What do you think Fergie's Yelps were like? Probably positive. Yeah, no one would be afraid to give him a two. Where do you stand as a writer on, if there's a heaven's son, she ain't in it? Your daddy didn't have the heart to tell his son

that he was looking for a suicide doper who was never coming home. If there's a heaven son, she ain't in it. Well, I did think in the moment, like he's still holding out hope that she's alive. Yeah. And then it's like, oh, by the way, you are going to do this job

because we'll kill your girlfriend. Oh, and I killed your mom. Yeah. And your dad's been lying to you. That's a tough day. Yeah. Tough day. That's a tough day to process all that. But Affleck's a tough guy. Well, at least he has Chris to fall back on. His lady. Next scene for rewatchful is I got three more somehow. Ham shaking down lively in Soley's bar.

Sully's pub. I would also, you could say like, because like I also like when Ham cases the crime scene after the North End. the not fucking around crew scene. It's a good one. Yeah. We should have named ourselves the now fucking around crew

for this podcast. Ham going in and flirting with Lively and them having like a real sexual chemistry and she thinks it might be on. It actually would make sense. Yeah. They have more chemistry, I think, than Affleck and Lively there.

So we find out in the extended cut. Ham's a stud. Met him too. Ham, great guy. There's a scene, Warren Tavern. earlier in the movie, after the bank robbery, he takes Claire to the Warren Tavern,

and he hits on her in the extended cut. In the lunch, yeah. And he asks her out on a second day, and she's like, can we do that? And he's kind of... She goes, isn't that against the rules? Yeah, which gives a whole new context to every other scene they have after that.

And the live scene, I thought it made Ham's characters so much more interesting. We need to dig into this a little bit. Okay, so you're right. Like, this is it completely... If you were pitching this movie, right? And I, hey, you know what? He thinks his mom's a lot.

but then he finds out the guy that he has to do the deal for actually killed his mother's and now he has to do this deal because now she's going to threaten the new girlfriend, but his father was the guy that kind of set the tone for what these guys were like and blah, blah, blah, and the FBI guy that's chasing him down who finally wants to take down this crew. He also is dating or trying to date the girl that he's... He is a Jonesing for. So that changed or could have changed everything. And made him way more interesting.

Do you think it becomes just too close to departed if they're both dating Claire? He doesn't have to date her. I think the fact that he was interested in her is a good wrinkle. First of all, Leo wasn't dating that girl in the department. No. He was interested in her, though. He was.

Yeah. But he was a tough... They get a little comfortably numb. He was a tough hang. He was a tough hang. Leo, tough hang. Like, he's just so up and down. I don't know what his deal is.

I just... But here's the thing. Like, what was the rest of the script? Did they just take all of that out of the script? Because there's no way that they shot that and said, okay, director's cut. Like, he's hitting on... and then the story just disappears because then there's no other revisiting of it whatsoever in any

of the storyline. So I don't know if they shot that and then they leave it in the director's cut, but then in the moment they said, let's not develop this anymore. I imagine at some point in the script there had to have been more John Ham, Claire stuff to have this dueling thing going on. I have all the deleted scenes we're going to get to later. There's 16 of them and like four, I think they could have cut. Because one of the reasons why this movie took such a long time to make was because they were really keyed in on, making it about a two-hour movie, as close to two hours as they could. And the way that it was written and the way that they even shot it, obviously,

with the director's cut. Was it 236 or something? It's 151 minutes is the director's cut. So that's almost three hours. So it's like... The story behind it was he had a four-hour cut. You imagine? Four hours. And they said, that's ridiculous.

We can't release that. He's like, you're right. He cut it down to 250, I think, which was this director's cut. And they were like, you got to get that to like 2-10. He actually showed him a four-hour cut was like, we're good. No, I think they knew it was a first cut. But I think in his mind, he's like, this is my once upon a time in America. Right.

Or, you know, whatever three and a half, four-hour movie you want to name. He wanted to be. My dune. Yeah. How long he'd end up being 250. Yeah. And this, ironically, the extended code was 250. You want to talk briefly about Lively's performance just in this scene?

Yeah. She gets trash for this, okay? And first of all, anybody... Who's trashing her? Idiots. Idiots. She's amazing in this movie. Because I was looking for a Chris forever.

Okay? Wait, is that a search over? You know, everybody out there looks at like the Claire Chris thing. And like, I get it. Okay? I get it. What do they say? Claire's more stable.

She's the safer bet. Niceer person. Yeah. Nice or apartment. I don't care. Like, I appreciate that you garden and you volunteer a little bit. But Chris brings it every fucking scene. every scene.

There's never a dull moment of Chris. And for her to be like, you know, Joel Edgerton fucks up the Boston accent so bad in Black Mask where it's like, what are you just day hammered by the end of this movie? Like Roger Clemens and fuck, Ben We blocks. And you're like, what the fuck are you doing? Can't somebody just pull you aside and go, Joel, tighten it up? Yeah.

Lively, you know, she's on Oxy. She's on different things. So it's just, it's a floating thing. And I personally, you know, I don't want to expose too much, but I was, I would just gladly, because I knew wasn't going to marry anybody during my time there, I would have gladly dated this girl and brought her to my buddies. You've been shining stepdad.

Right. I would have been like, that's it. You know, I would have had, you know, we'd be at weddings at the cave. We're still like, this is my kid, shine. Yeah. I'd be like, I'm like a father to her. I'm trying to make a difference in this world. And you just know that it's not going to, it's not going to matter.

But then again, like, shine. Shine isn't a deal breaker. there were a lot of Boston There were a lot of Boston ladies Like Chris In real life This is the best version of that She she's just really really good looking

And has her shit together But is obviously off the rails Has her shit together Oh you mean like her the way she looks wise But is a fucking train wreck And the combination of irresistible looks But you know you have to stay away And if you're going to go out with her

you better be good at fighting because you're going to be waiting in line at Aqua and she's going to yell at somebody and be like, fuck you, I'm in fucking life. Fuck, fuck you. I know the fucking bus. You know, like, and she'd be like, Ryan. You know? And then I'm sitting there like, all right. You know, in a sick Banana Republic button down untucked 05, you know, just going, hey, relax.

Like, whatever, you're losing your hair, fucking weirdo. You know? and I'd be like, oh, man, that's dumb. And they'd be like, hey, can we just, can we just fucking calm down? You make it sound like you're dating Joe Pesci and Goodfell? Because that's what these girls are like sometimes. No, no, no, no. You insulted them a little bit.

Insulted a little bit. So, true story, my wife once strangled a woman in this exact bar. Oh, no way. Yeah. Yeah. Your current wife. It was the not-so-good version of Chris in this movie. There were two girls.

and I was actually a house of Jacko we were there because we had our baseball draft and we're at Sully's. Sounds wild. Oh, you're at Sully's. We're drinking. New Sullys. And there are these two ladies

that were kind of lingering around us and we're just drunk and we couldn't get rid of them. And at some point we kind of moved away and one of the ladies took offense and she came over and she pointed to all of us and she's like, you're an asshole.

You're a dick. You're a fucking asshole and then looked at my wife and said, and you, you're a C word. And my wife just went right for her throat, pushed her back and we almost in an actual brawl at Sully's. Can I just get one detail straight here? These ladies saw you guys having a fantasy baseball draft. No, no, this is after.

No, this was asking drinks. Yeah, they didn't know about the draft. See, I would pitch. My wife getting a fight at Sully's is a movie? Well, we could have that scene in there, but a sequel where Chris is, at Sully. It's like a Yeager promo at Sully. She's in her 40s.

She's dating like Steve Levy. She's like, you know, he'd beat my boyfriend. Or like Lyndon Byers. He's on fucking TV and we get sick bees tickets. I think that's a no-brainer. I actually feel stupid giving that away for free. Shides grown up. Too late. Shines in youth hockey.

Two more rewatchable scenes. The Fenway High shootout, which is just inspired by heat. A lot of ways. And then what is the approach to John Henry on that one? So here's the thing. I want to, can we hold that? Yeah, sure. By the way, the line, the Lindas want you to open the door.

Really good. You live at 27-counting Lane Randolph. Wife also Linda. Look, the Linders want you to open this door. We have men outside your homes. And then, uh... That's great. Doug kills Fergie.

Just, you know what's going to happen, comes in. Somehow, he... Fergie a bad shot. He ropes the bodyguard. Bad job by the bodyguard. Not seeing that one coming. Fergie doesn't have like a phalanx of security. There is a question about whether or not they could have wrapped that whole situation up a little earlier.

Right. Yeah. And then a nice little, I like Fergie's death scene, how he does that whole thing. And in the original cut, Dougie gets shot, and he goes to see Claire and dies. Yeah. Yeah. So that happened. What was your most rewatchable scene, Rosela? Out of all those scenes. I, uh, the movie's on. It's about to hit a part. What part sucks you in the fastest? It's going to be so hard to be like, okay, how can we put a twist on the final scene, the heist, the climax of the movie? How can, how can we do this? Where it feels a little different, even though it's, I mean, it's hard. It's hard to sit there and be like, okay, we're going to do something to know, else is done. So the Fenway part

of it is really cool. But I did like, even though you can get a little shitty critique-wise, and like why were there a bunch of people upstairs at the Aramark stations, and then when they came downstairs in the bowels, like towards the box seats, why was there no one there? But I like that they did

it that way. I liked it all of a sudden it was a these guys are so good at the whole deal that are going, okay, so nobody's walking around. Yeah. What's the problem? And then it's like, hey, wait a minute. They're not looking for cops. So let's go out and do that. And then that renner is walking over to the baseball tavern area

and he thinks he's going to get away and you could sit there and say you know Doug wouldn't sit and watch the whole thing but you needed it for the movie part of it and then when renter's like okay I surrender and just boom one to the face and he's down like they didn't drag it out any more than it was already kind of dragged out

good special effects on the the shot to the face looks like he's actually murdered yeah it's a good one so you're going Fenway Hess yeah because you go all right what hey we want to rob Fenway we're going to do this thing okay what makes sense and there's just a couple little things in there

that are different that are new on a very you know tested approach to a movie that it just it felt like it was original which is almost impossible to do in these heist movies what do you have North End robbery that's what I have to yeah I really like the ham interrogating Affleck scene just because it's this movie's

version of the diner scene in heat yeah because they don't really share the screen very much but the North End robbery I think is like They almost shared a lover yeah they almost did but that's like the most like that's only in that movie, that kind of scene. I also love the North End Heist and the North End underrated movie location that hasn't really been tapped into enough.

I think because it's like impossible to film there. It's just too crowded. You can't even park. You couldn't, you can't park. There's no way to set it down. You want to go to the restaurant tonight. It's hard. I just quickly want to do the deleted scenes.

There's 16 of them. And most of them are extraneous and you don't really need them. There's four that I wanted to mention. One is on the first date that Claire and Doug have. we find out she's from Marblehead which threw me off a little I wasn't expecting that at all all. For the listeners that don't know, give us a little

bit of a picture of Marblehead. North Shore. It's nice. Nice. She said she's kind of Bruins training camp country. I'm the poor one in Marblehead, right? But in Massachusetts it's Marblehead. Nobody says Marblehead. But now I say Marblehead, which means I definitely haven't lived there for a long time.

But yeah, it's North Shore. There's a whole thing in Boston. You kind of have to like the South Shore or the North Shore, you kind of have to pick one or the other. I was always more privy to the South Shore. Where were you, Russell, North Shore or South Shore? As far as, I had more friends that were South Shore kids. Yeah. You know, and I didn't, it didn't, because I was driving down to the vineyard. I never, ever. And it wasn't because, oh, I don't like the North Shore. North Shore was a choice. North Shore was something you had to go to. Yeah. So for me,

it was just, I never did it. So in that deleted scene, Doug says he has a boat and he takes her to this boat and hops on this boat makes it seem like it's boat but it's he breaks into the liquor cab that and doesn't pour champagne for himself and she doesn't say anything about that. Yeah, he never tells her that he's clean, right? Right. Yeah, right. So and then she... He's like having a Coke

one night. I think the reason they cut that scene out was she asked him about the bank robber scene in Charlestown. Yes. And it's just, it just doesn't work. It makes it weird. Oh shit, there's only one white claw left. The Warren Tavern scene when Ham hits on Claire, mentioned that. there's a scene where Claire and Doug go to visit the assistant manager who's brutalized in the bank

ice in the hospital. And he's like, I feel like I can almost see you. And he stands off to his banged up left or it would have been his right eye. And Affleck just sort of hangs back. Right. And then he talks to the cop outside. I might regain 50% of my sight in the red eye.

That was a way of trying to get the audience to maybe see that Doug was going to change. Because you've brought this up before. Like, essentially you're rooting. And what always happens when any... You're reading to the bad guys. You end up rooting for like the first people you're introduced to. It's just weird. It just happens.

It's science. And I think the movie has in the deleted scenes more chances to give the audience to feel like, hey, don't feel too bad about rooting for this guy. It's still shooting at comes. Yeah. So then later on the movie, they lay down the heist, the Fenway Heist, and a lot of it makes more sense. Like, Jim says Chris booked a hotel room across the street at Fenway. Because in the regular theatrical version,

You're like, how the fuck is this guy standing in a hotel room across the street from the way? And also, like, how does, how did she give, how did Chris give it up to him? What was going on? Why would they let Chris on this? Why does she even know what those guys are doing? They're like four people that are locked in. And they do live together. This scene makes it clear, like Chris is actually part of the gang in an extended way.

And works for the, and works for Fergie. Backfired. Yes. Yeah. So those are the four. Yeah. That part actually isn't sold enough that, like, they were going to get away with this had Chris not. DWI'd.

crash her car. And I love that they call it. Maybe don't trust the train wreck, Chris? Yeah, yeah. Like, hey, who do you want to be like, hey, let's bring over your single mom's sister who's hooked on oxen coat. Let's tell her we're going to go rough in the way. She seems like a good supervising producer. Hey, cool that you're polishing all your bullets and shit. Here's one pre-heist thing

you may want to leave out. What's aged the best next category? Charlestown. I have that first. the one-liner last motherfucker who robbed the Red Sox like this was Jack Clock. Just a great, like deep down hidden Red Sox joke. That's an unbelievable. So good.

You figure, you know, like there was a show recently that made some absolutely, I'm not even going to say the show, but it was like the biggest layup predictable baseball line analogy where you're like, oh, yay. Like you guys thought you were clever on this. It was Thrones, right? Was it Thrones? Yeah, it was Game of Thrones. Dinklage was, he's like the fucking Mets.

So for them to go Jack Clark there. That's like real Red Sox fans are about it. Right. Yeah. So good. Because I think the bad version of that is it's either a Buckner joke. Right. Or Babe Ruth thing.

Yeah. Or, yeah. Right. Afflex Boston accent is really good in this movie. I just wanted to shout it out. Sora's abs. Doesn't really matter. Wherever she went, she had a good.

good reason to leave here. She didn't want to be my mother anymore. Just like a lot of moments like that. He nails the sand and gravel guy. That also is a bankrupt. Blake lively saying why is it I'm always the one who's getting used. That's age the best.

It's the best for Rissillo. I looked her up. I wanted to see if she was on Tinder. Blake Lively in general, I have no idea why she took shit for this movie. I actually thought it made a ton of sense. She was in that whole trying to move out of gossip girl. become a real actress, and this was a really good part.

She's good. I'd defend Blake lively. Another one's aged the best. The decision not to do the alternate ending, which we said Doug dies and dies in Claire's arms in her apartment. They filmed it. Test audiences did not like it.

And they wanted Doug to survive. Yeah. I don't think that this movie is like in terms of endearment. I think it's nice to have a good ending. No record on YouTube or anything of Doug dying in her arms. So the old sally's new sallies thing. This is the not fucking around crew is just great. I don't know why we haven't adopted that in some way.

Maybe there's still time. I say it all the time. Okay. It'd be like a Celtics eight seed. Chris trying to seduce Doug good old sullies. We mentioned that. Ham going, you know, Claire, we're a national organization. Hey, you know what, though?

Awesome. Great ham. Quick shout out to ham. If you're a national organization. you're waiting for the boyfriend to come over the house. Maybe everybody not stand outside of the fucking house. There's a bunch of FBI nitpicks. I'm no special agent, but that one seemed a little,

like I think you guys are giving them things away. Can I add one thing? Add a bunch of things. This is a work in progress. The dating scene in Boston age as well, because this is realistic. Like, hey, who are you dating? You go to Claire.

Well, he's a bank robber. But his truck is fucking piss up. He's got an avalanche. You know, he's in great shape. because Boston, you know, I was not a great, I was, I was broke, I wasn't super happy. I was kind of like, I don't even know if this is worth it. I'd come from a college town where, you know, we act like idiots. And I, the dating scene was really tough because it wasn't, and I'll say this for both guys and girls,

it wasn't the most attractive city. Like once I started traveling the entire country, you know, comparing Boston to that, then I'd be like, what, what is going on? And there'd be just a bunch of hammered dudes, hammered dudes lined up. wearing dress shirts pulled out of their jeans. Absolutely. Just spilled Guinness on them. Biked up hair in the front.

And like if you had something to play, be like, oh, you know, I got a little fucking thing down in Brewsta. Like, it set you aside from every other guy that was selling insurance that went to St. Mike's. And so you'd be out and like pretty average looking people would have the greatest opinion of themselves because it would just be a line of blacked out guys telling this girl they wanted to marry him. Yeah. And then they would have all sorts of attitude. He'd be like, whatever, dude, there's fucking, like, 10 dudes in line who also have that fucking sick J. Crew roll neck on.

So for her to kind of be open to be dating, like, she's, you know, how many banks have you robbed? Six, five trucks or three, five trucks. Have you killed anybody? No. All right. In. Let's go to Florida. That is, I would say, early 2000s pretty realistic of the dating scene in Boston.

I mean, he hasn't killed. anybody. Gems the fucked up on it. I'm holding him back. In other words, age the best, Fergis bodyguards, 0212-9 tattoo. That was the zip code in Charlestown.

Doug loving bones. Yeah, he watches all the shows. Great bones reference in there. Pete the florist. Your daddy didn't have that. You want to do this, Chris? I want to read Pete the florist quote in your Irish accent.

Your daddy didn't have the heart to tell his son that he was looking for a suicide doper who is never coming home. If there's a heaven son, she ain't in it. Chris Ryan S. Fergie, everybody. I'm blown away. Thanks. Jeremy Renner, who we raved about before,

I have a question about it. I'll hold that. This is what's aged the best, right? Yeah. Yeah. Would Matt Damon have done a better job than Jeremy Renner as Jim? If Damon is like last second is like, guess what, Ben, my schedule cleared up, I can be Jim. And Afflecks down the road with Renner, but now Damon wants to be Jim, who would you rather have? Because I think Renner's perfect. I'd rather have Renner. I love Damon.

It's my favorite actor. This is the easiest game, though, because when you see it, the visual of it, then you can't ever imagine replacing it with something else. Ever. Right? This would have been a really fun... Like, Will Smith was going to be Michael Scott. And now that Michael, like Steve Coral did it, you can't unsee it. Will Spence was supposed to be Michael Scott?

I didn't know that. Is that true? You've been true. It was it. And then we mentioned... the cop turning way. Anything else age the best for you? I think Renner's performance in general and just like I really love the

way like he like even walks into bars. Like when he walks into the bar and he's just like what's up? You know like he's just like a real they capture the way that guy carries himself in a perfect way. Right. When he, when Affleck goes up and gets a tonic. Yeah. And Renner's like fucking sober bastard.

You can have one beer with me. So we all say Renner age the best. Yeah. I also think the renter part of having looks that are different than Damon. Like, Damon's angelic kind of thing where you're going to be a gem from this part of town and complexion's a little, you know,

what happened to you in high school? Right. You know, and guys with bad complexions in high school, usually want to beat the shit out of everybody anyway. Right. I wonder whether or not Casey could have done. I guess it would have been.

Casey could do anything. Casey could have done gym. I have a new category just for this podcast. It's called Blake lively story time. One story. or two stories actually. Oh no, I got one story. To research her role,

Ben Affleck asked Blake LaVey to visit locals in Charlestown. Live we spent a month hanging around with locals, their apartments, and bars before film it began. And then Affleck said when I was doing the town, I tore the actors around Boston. I was with Blake, and I saw Matt's childhood home. I said, oh yeah, that's where Matt grew up. And she said, who?

And I said, Matt Damon. and she said, oh my God, you know Jason Bourne. And then it hit him. She didn't really know. And I thought, there it is. The first age of people who are adults who missed the whole Matt and Ben propaganda campaign. Mostly it made me feel old.

She didn't know they were friends. Tough one for Ben Affleck. That's very, maybe she was in character for that. Yeah, because that's what a girl from Chubbley like, dude, who? Jason Bourne? How do you think he explained? 007.

How do you think he explained to Jennifer Garner? Like, what did you do today? Blake and I, I just was taking her around showing her Charles down in Cambridge. And yeah, we saw Matt's childhood home. At what point is Jennifer Garner going, wait a second, what? Who else was there? Were there other actors in the car? Like I would have been nervous the whole time about Blake gladly.

I would be all for a podcast series on jealous actors in relationships. Done, dreamlit. Right. What stage is the worst? I would say five too many overhead helicopter shots. It became like the... I'm a big geography guy. The coffee pouring in comedians getting cars with the Seinfeld show

or just the way they edited is just they show coffee being poured. It's also been done to death since then. We've got like 10 years of like drone shots. Afflegg loves the helicopters. Ham's brief attempt to do a Boston accent. You and your boys didn't just roll a star market over in Malden for a box of quarters. No, you decided to You and your boys didn't just roll a star market

Over Milden for a box of quarters But he's fucking with them there He's not like actually This needs to be brought up He could have tried harder You're right Chris Because I made this mistake When we talked about it

And I got all sorts of heat He'd be like no no no He's he's doing the accent He's like you fucking idiots Yeah I'm so used to so many guys in movies Doing it wrong That I immediately freak

And have this like reaction to it But yeah I actually think that that's Exactly what Chris is saying Here's my counter bad on purpose. Here's my counter. Isn't it more insulting

to do it really well on purpose? I think he's like, this is what you sound like you idiot and also like you're going to jail for us. All right. The Chris Cooper prison scene is really cool,

but I'm not positive. It took me anywhere. These fucking south. It's probably my least favorite five minutes of the movie. Your least favorite five minutes isn't like the eighth Claire date? No,

I like Claire. Okay. I could do without a couple of Claire scenes. There's a couple direct heat ripoffs. The FBI taking surveillance photos of the four guys happily hanging out is directly ripped off from heat. The massive shootout where two lead guys somehow get away, inexplicably, that's from heat.

And then the girlfriend waving the bad guy off with the FBI in her house with some sort of... How about also Ben Affleck watching heat? And Ben Affleck watching heat. That's also... Yeah, that's on there, too. And then... I thought the Val Kilmer scene buying dynamite seemed familiar.

in Arizona. And then the ending, Affleck's character says, no matter how much you change, you still have to pay the price for the things you've done. So I got a long road, but I know I'll see you again

this side of the other. You're a murderer? You've shot at 50 cops in the last three months. You've killed people left and right. I don't, this isn't like you robbed a couple of liquor stuff. You're a fucking mass murderer.

I don't know if you want to save this nitpicks. No, let's do it now. Okay, so I don't know that necessarily, like, for as well thought out, as so many things about this movie are and there's so many great details, it seems like they kind of skim the surface on the law enforcement side. Because between Bham being like, there's no way

we can get a grand jury on these guys, even though we have them dead to rights on multiple bank robberies. Yeah. So they have to just do surveillance. And then, essentially, it seems like they put all their eggs in the he's going to show up at Claire's house basket. And when he doesn't, they're like, well, case closed.

I guess. He's fucking gone. By the way, not that easy to get out of Charlestown. Yeah. Or you could put people in five different spots. You see that place? It's not easy.

Yeah. And Appick's like, thank God I kept this MBAT-M-B-T-A uniform. Nobody will notice me. And he makes money for stealing the uniform. Right. And then. Just super normal guy getting on it.

He runs into two cops who were ostensibly looking for him. Yeah. Yeah. He's six-foot-three guy who looks like Ben Affleck. There's like an FBI operation. And they're like, hey, buddy. Yeah, you just can't be on this street. We got a sting operation going.

He's carrying something. A bag of money. Yeah. And he just gets on an Amtrak with no change of clothes. But you don't like the whole, oh, maybe this guy can be redeemed on his house in Florida. Meanwhile, he's just left a trail of bodies. Did he? All these widow families.

Murder anybody, though. I think they murdered a bunch of people in the Fenway thing. They, I'm talking about. Definitely kills a bunch of guys. I don't know. They kill the bank guys people. But Affleck's part of it. Okay, but I'm just, look, I know he is an accessory here.

But I'm just. In the Fenway scene, they're shooting people. People are going down left and right. It's just also like that situation would have caused a national manhunt. Yeah. It's like Dan Amora would have looked like a fucking like day in the park. Dan Amora was easy to get through. Also, he's got all these people looking for him.

He's like, I think I can take five minutes here to go to the Rose Garden. And very orange. Yeah. Oh shit. I forgot an orange. I got to go to style market. Like I want one last slice of halftime pizza. So can I ask?

I have a, I have a, maybe what's age the worst. Nobody would be there. It'll be fun. All the fucking t-shirts of guys was, like, wearing t-shirts to say like Boston, Boston Sports Pub, Irish. Oh, yeah. They couldn't get rights to anything.

Yeah, so, but like they just kind of have keywords. It's like a word cloud. Like, Renner is wearing shirts that literally say like bar. You know, on it. Yeah, they're not a lot of Bruin's stuff. I feel like Renner would have had a Bruin's jersey or something at some point. I thought it was like, I mean, like, it's an effective... Sean Thornton, man.

Yeah, Sean Thornton. That would have been better one. But I just was wondering if that jumped out of you guys. I've actually, I think I've seen those shirts for sale for real. The ones you just described from some guy like on a side street that can't get any licensing or doesn't care or I don't know. So, uh, not really any debate, but I just, I feel like going back to who killed who, like this would be a classic Atlantic article. where it'd be like, we still don't know how to talk about murderers from Boston.

Like, if this movie came out today, you know? Yeah, that's true. What do Beck I say about us? Yeah. What the shootout at Fenway says about the international draft? The real hero of this movie was Dino,

my column. Casting what ifs. This movie was almost directed by Adrian Lynn, which I thought was the weirdest thing maybe I've ever discovered in research for any rewatchable's movie. There would have been a lot more Chris Coughlin. He's like nine and a half weeks, fatal attraction,

unfaithful. He's like sex thriller guy. Well done sex thriller guy. I don't know what he's doing with the town. So we've just seen more of Chris. A lot of more, a lot more Chris. Chris is way in there. Affleck originally wanted Mark Wahlberg,

your buddy for the role of Jim. But Walberg was busy shooting the fighter. The fighters should have been brought up in our Boston movies, by the way. So this was kind of like a... There will be blood, no country for old men situation where they're both shooting in the same city, huh?

Well, and then he talked to Casey Affleck who suggested Jeremy Renner, who'd worked with him. They'd worked together in the assassination of Jesse James by the coward Robert Ford in 2007. He's like, check out this Renner guy. So that's how that happened.

And that's it. That's all I got. All right, couple... I think he got Renner, like, after Renner had finished her locker, but I don't know for... was good yet. Yeah.

Yeah. Right. A couple actor awards. Best that guy, a.k. The Joey Pants Award. Slane. Slane's great.

Do people even know who Slane is? Craig. You know who Slane is? No. Slane is the guy in the Fenway. He's in their crew. He's in the Fenway heist. He's the driver.

He drives the ambulance out. I can always take a pinch or whatever he says. The big guy. Yeah. He's also in Gone, Baby Gone. He's the good drug dealer. Yeah. He's the helpful drug dealer.

Yeah. So I think he's the runaway winner unless you can give me a better run. He doesn't he doesn't overdo the Boston thing. I think he's from there. Yeah. He's clearly from there. And he does it without, he does it in that passive way. He does it in that way that it's, well, it's authentic because it's who he is. I would imagine. I mean, other than the robbing and drug dealing bar, I don't know him that well. The Saul Rubinick, they knew a word for most overacting in this movie. Chris, what do you think? I think there's a case to be made for Possible weight. So I had Pete as as Fergui the florist as well. And I think there's a case to be made for him. I think Ham really, it's like...

Ham dials it up a couple of times. He was mad at a nominee. Ham is like a closer that's got left out there for a couple too many innings. And his stuff gets a little gamey after a while. You know what I mean? And he's in his mind, he's like, I'm doing Vincent Hanna.

I'm doing Pacino and Heat. And I just don't think he has enough, like, supporting scenes so that the only thing he's ever doing is like the most maximum version of that guy being like, get me a fucking print off this thing? And it's just like yelling it. You know, like... Well, I was, I was gonna say, so he's my

runner up for this scene when he's interrogating... But when he's interrogating... Ham is definitely in my top three favorite parts of this movie. It's like, render ham and lively. But I think specifically the Affleck interrogation. Yes. He's really dialing it up. He's like, this is my Oscar clip, and he's really going for it.

And I would have scaled it back 12%. Despite your pitiable, misguided Irish omerta. When your code of silence finally gives way the fear of trafficking in cigarettes to prevent sexual enslavement, I just want you to know that it's going to be me who tells you to go fuck yourself. Fair enough? Yeah, I think that's fair. I think sometimes people have a hard time figuring out, like, where's ham at his best, you know?

Because we all know his best is clearly one of the greatest TV shows. ever in admin. But the thing is, is that wasn't an acting role as much it was just sort of a presence the entire time. So it was so restrained. Right. To ask him to like really leap out and do some these other things. It's not saying he's like limited. It just we've seen him at his best not having to ever do those things. So sometimes maybe when it's charged up a little bit, it seems more uncomfortable because we're so used to him being this guy that can be awesome without trying. I also think there's some redundancy with him and Affleck. They're basically, on each other's corner a little bit.

Just tall, handsome white guys. So you know how like in... I thought it was gonna be deeper than that. In the advent of like, after YouTube, you get to have like certain scenes from movies live on because people will just like rewatch the scene on YouTube or whatever. So like even scenes that maybe were like infamous when they happen. Like I'm thinking about like Alec Baldwin's speech in malice.

Yeah. Malice. I am like that movie. You know that? That just winds up becoming a thing. Like that idea of like. Actors trying to do it. Having, like, a home run scene like that.

And I feel like that's where Ham is playing to in each of his scenes. He's like, I'm going to be the fucking guy that they watch on YouTube for 10 years. No kidding. Wow. See, I didn't think any scene would even stand out enough like that. I think that's a fucking interrogation. Yeah. He's like, I'm like, they're going to play this goddamn thing.

Before you're turned into a sexual or whatever. Yeah. I'm going to be there. You're going to come to me for a deal. I'm going to tell you to go fuck off. Yeah, well, that's that part at the end where you need is I want and I'm going to be the one to put you away. You know, Dino can pour it on.

There's some molasses in that accent from time to time. Where do we? Titus Welliver. And I like him. He's great in everything. He's amazing. There's a couple spots there.

Split them up the rear. Before we get to the Deanne Waders Award, a reader, I can't find the email unfortunately. I'll shout you at the next time. Wondered if it's time to change the name of the Dean Waders Award to the Fred Van Vandreate Award. after Fred Van Vleet had just an epic heat check in the finals

that really surpassed anything. But I think that there's something else to the Dion Wader's award that's specifically about self-belief. Well, his case was that Dian Waders never had a heat check that was as meaningful as the Fred Van Blyte heat check in the last two rounds of the playoffs that won a title. Like what Van Vleet mattered. Like what Van Vleet did was like a real control.

contributing thing. Whereas waiters is like a comical heat check. You had 28 against the Wizards in May. Okay. Or not May. So we'll keep it, D.N. Waiters. Blake Lav is, I think, in four scenes. She hits 11 threes.

She had a double-double. Yeah. No turnovers. And she blocked seven shots. I don't know how she did that either. I think she's the runaway winner, unless you guys want to argue. No, I'm going to go lively. Because Renner, I think, is just too much of a presence to be waiters.

Yeah. I'd also accept Fergie for this, too. He's in three scenes. Mr. Crime Stoppa. You gotta chase the rabbit if you want the tail. And speaking of lines, because we have to do this

because in that moment that's cut out of that scene, which is a great scene where it's Ham and Lively and there's this line and it's funny how like a line, I'm looking through my notes here and I have a QB tier.

This is great. Is Lively at the top? Is Garapolo overrated tier two? Seriously on that. Can I think while he's looking, how come they never talk about the pats in this movie. No,

you know, B's fans are where it's at. Charlestown? Yeah. No, I feel like the 07 Pats had just happened. It was kind of,

yeah, I mean, this was a Boston sports, the 07 Red Sox had just happened, O7 Pats. Oh, 8 Celtics? Yeah, they're filming it right after three finals trips.

Yeah, I just feel like there was this thing where Affleck was like, we're going, we're going Bruins. We're going Bruins. Doug's a third rounder. Yeah, third rounder. They didn't oversell them.

They're like third rounder, good value, good size. Can's a big. Vince gave backwards. But in that Ham lively scene where he brings out the dollar and he's like, is it over six inches? And he's not even worth a gram. But there's a couple of lines where he goes, you know, there's a night where this guy

was like, I'm giving out a hugging contest, which is maybe the creepiest line ever if you're going to use it now. Just a warning to the kids out there. Yeah. Like, hey, go to women and be like, I'm judging a hugging contest. Yeah. And then. Smart cut.

Ham then says to her, I'm judging a fucking contest. And it really. Even better cut. pranks up the like, whoa, dude, rain it in. Yeah. And I imagine when they watched it in the room or however it tests or, I don't know, again, I don't know if this test or not, Chris, you know better than I would. But I thought that line watching the director's cut, be like, oh, okay, yeah.

The thing is that they kept that whole scene and him hitting on Claire on the Warren Tavern deleted scene, then now I kind of get the character a little bit more. He's like, oh, he's kind of a pretty, he's a fucking arrogant guy. And he's also a guy who's, like, using everything at his disposal to get after. Or he's just a guy in Boston in 07 who's like, these are smoke shows. A new category just for this podcast. Most improbable Fenway Park scene ever. Here are the nominees.

The heist in the town. The ending of fever pitch where Drew Barrymore jumps out of the center field bleachers. Drew Barrymore jumps out of the center field bleachers runs all the way across to where the Red Sox dugout is, security chasing her. And they all stop so she can work it out with Jimmy Feudgers. Fallon. That's an actual scene that ends fever pitch. I've never seen it. Yeah. Okay. Moonlight Graham coming on the scoreboard and field of dreams. Or the comeback against the O-4 Yankees, which happened in real life. Most improbable Fenway

Park scene. Those ear four choices. What about the town fever pitch, Moonlight Graham, or Real Life 2004? What about Clemens walking out of Fenway to a standing ovation on one of the four retirements in an opposing uniform? I was there for one of them. I've blocked that one out of it. It's still the 04 comeback. That's how I thought.

There's a, there's a Yankees fan that's in management when is at ESPN and I couldn't understand like years later why he was still making Red Sox jokes

and we're talking like 08, maybe 2010, and the Red Sox had had some terrible weekend and I always thought it was weird too when people at work would like try to give me shit about the Boston thing

and I just go like, eh, whatever, I got it. And somebody came in and just goes, oh my God. and then he made some Red Sox joke, like just to me. Yeah. And I looked at him and just said, this is classic me, but I'm like, you know, you think after 04, you guys are to shut the fuck up.

That's a very gem thing to say. And it was just a total sigh 180 out of the room. You think you better than me? Half-ass internet research. Was he like, Priscilla, you're just sitting there on Coke on Xbox? All you care about is your opening second. We did a lot of the half-ass internet research already. They used the former mass bank branch located in Melrose, Massachusetts, home of the J-bug for the first robbery of the film.

Chris Cooper scene shot on location at MCI Cedar Junction, a maximum security prison in Massachusetts. It's the first time anything ever was filmed there. And then, oh, so there's a voice in the trailer that says there are over 300 bank robbers in Boston, year. Most of these professionals live in a one square mile neighborhood called Charlestown. Not to be a dick, but they're only 23 reported bank robberies in Massachusetts in the first quarter of 2010,

compared with 136 in California. Well, they met it, yeah. They kind of spruce this whole. How much bigger? And then apparently there was an article, there's a little bit of a backlash in this movie because the Charlestown people were kind of like,

what fuck? Like, we're not the bank robbery capital of the world. Right. We just look like pill-crazy bank robbers. So apparently it was the case in the mid-90s, weirdly when I lived there, but then it kind of faded. The book was set in the mid-90s. Right. You go there now, you're like the Met getting a gluten-free rap. I mean, the biggest thing that happened in Charlestown was when Johnny's Foodmaster, which was the disgusting grocery store in downtown Charlestown, became a Whole Foods.

That kind of summed it up. Apex Mountain, Rebecca Hall? No. What is Apex Mountain? Apex Mountain is the peak of their career where they had the most juice, most power, most sway, most career options. I would probably say for her Iron Man 3

just in terms of like her commercial. Okay. I really liked her in this though. I thought she was great. Which was perfectly cast. And it couldn't be, let's see, this is always going to sound like, there was a look that she had to have

to make this character more believable and they absolutely nailed it. I have a Rebecca Hall story. Do you want it? Sure. Is it good? 09 book tour. Did your wife Strangler? No, my wife did Strangler.

O'9 Book Tour in Boston. It was the same day where I called the W.E.I. Guys' deceitful scumbags and then I'm getting suspended for Twitter for two weeks. Rebecca Hall called in? Ham is shooting the town in Boston. And I'm like, hey, I'm going to be in Boston. He's like, let's get a drink. So the J-Bug and I meet Ham, and he brings Rebecca Hall.

He's like, this is Rebecca. She's in the movie. And she was really charming and whatever. But it was interesting. The thing I remember is, it was like, where do you live? And she's like, I don't live anywhere. I live out of a suitcase. I've just been doing these movies.

I don't have a home base. And we were like- Is she hitting on you? No. We were like, we were so fascinated at that. You don't have, what is that? You're just living in hotels? It's just like, yeah, I'm just, I'm going from movie to movie to movie.

Why would I have an apartment? I'm not going to be there. and the jaybug do i mean she's like one of the best looking people that are probably past through boston the jubbug is just i could see like the wheels fucking turning like trying to soak all this in like this girl she's dropped from heaven and also doesn't have a place to live it was very strange uh on the charlestown thing though at the end of the movie they're like hey by the way like you people are swell there's this thing this paragraph that pops up is like despite everything we just did for the last two and a half hours.

You guys are great. You guys, but most of this is... Except for the bank robberies and the florist. Fenway Park, Apex Mountain. Coming off a two world series.

John Henry's invested a bunch of money in it. It's at the place now where we feel so good about it that, yeah, sure. Shoot your giant bank high scene in here. It's fine.

No? Apex Mountain. Yaz Day 83. For Fenway. Do you think that... So, you didn't answer this, but did... What's the conversation

between Affleck and Henry about like what's what they're going to shoot. Oh yeah, yeah. And how does he get MLB to sign off on this where he's like, yeah, so we're going to go to a Yankees, Red Sox game and then there's going to be an absolute cop slaughter. MLB actually was like, can we make the scene three and a half hour? That's what I'd heard. Can you take an hour but it's going to get shot? Can you have Affleck and Renner talk about what they're going to do seven or eight times?

At one point, can Affleck come out and replace Renner with two other left-handed actors? Your answer is there's no reason they should have let them shoot this scene. It is pure star fuckery. It is John Henry and Tom Werner being like, Ben Affleck wants to shoot a movie at Fenway Park. We'll have dinner with them. We get to hang out with them. We'll do a screening.

It's a fucking circle jerk. They do, and they let them do moneyball there too, right? Yeah. It's circle jerk. Okay. But honestly, that's not a critique. You're making it sound like a negative thing. Yeah.

You think it's negative? No. I don't think it's negative. It's like, hey, we own this team, and this is awesome. Yeah, Ben Affleck wants to shoot a movie here. This is great, and we can have dinner with them. It's a semi-critique. Charlestown Apex Mountain?

What's the... Anybody else? Sleyn? Occupation of Boston, 1775. Would you go Blake Lively Apex Mountain? Yeah. For you. I mean, I don't... I feel awkward talking about her now.

I think the thing about Blake is, though, this is... I would love to know what other people think of Lively's performance because I think... like it. She got dumped on early on. It's the wrong opinion. It's just. It's stupid.

I swear, everybody that knocked her for this performance has never hung out in that town. Because she is, I'm getting, I'm getting emotional. Pick a Nits. Let's take a break. Pick a Nitz. The timing of Chris sees Doug in the Fenway Hotel and he boots her out and she gets a DUI 32 seconds later. Casque is right there.

I think she's also already high when she gets there. Two-year-old kid, too? It's like, hold on, shine. Stay in the car for one second. I just got to run into the casket flagging. How did that work? Maybe she's got something in her purse. I mean, I think she's already greased by the time she gets to the hotel.

But the fact that they said DWI instead of DUI, because I always felt like DWI mass was the only place. I know there's going to be other people in other states, but I thought that was a really little thing that's like a mass thing that I still always hear. Blake Lively spelling to him when and where the Fenway Heist was going down was the biggest nitpick of this movie. but then the deleted scenes add some color to it. And it makes more sense.

They just had to cut it for time. But then when you've watched this movie 19 times, like we have, then you're like, wait, how did she know where the heist was? But that's the answer. Renner and Blake lively being brother and sister? Tall. She's really tall. He's not.

But we don't know. Modern family. Maybe like half brother? Yeah, totally. That actually makes more sense. Wouldn't Renner just kill Claire? Just take her out? Why does he want her?

Four bucks away? Like in the beginning of the movie? When he's a driver's license and then... Yeah, but Doug's like, don't do that. You're gonna have... We have too much heat on us. You can't go killing a witness. They'll bury you under the jail.

You're acting like renter's rational though. I think that he operates under a certain code of like, I'm still... These are my guys. I'm loyal to my guys. If Doug doesn't want to do this, then I'm not going to do it over his head. Wouldn't Claire be more of a police target as this whole thing is going along?

She opened the safe. They let her out. Ham's a little suspicious all the time quits her job, that's a little weird. Then they find out she's dating Affleck. At that point, she's a real suspect. And that apartment... Arguably in jail.

That apartment would definitely have its own washer dryer. You're right. That's a good nipick. That was a great apartment. That was a great apartment. Those apartments are fucking expensive. I also just think that number one, like if you're in a bank robbery and you hear somebody talking,

you never forget that voice. And when he's just like, yeah, yeah, I don't have any quiet. You're just not like, oh, that's weird. You sound a lot like the guy who just had a fucking machine gun to my head. Yeah, you're probably having nightmares about his voice. Not, well, I don't want to deviate from the nitpick thing because this is your thing, but there's just an aside here.

Can you imagine the game you would have being out of the town if you were a bank robber? Because you just got so much spending money? No, the confidence you would have. You're like, what are you going to fucking turn me down? Like, I rub fucking banks. Like, you would have. I've got this.

Right, yeah. Like, when you walk in a room, there'd be a presence about you. And you just be like, yeah, I'll go out on a thing. So that was a deleted scene we didn't talk about where, right after the first bank ice, they go to strip joints and casinos. I guess they clean the money. That's supposed to be Mohegan, right?

It's filmed in Mohegan. I don't remember Mohegan having that situation there. So do you think that that, but like the casino action they're getting can't be like at an underground place, right, in Boston? No, my guess is they did Mahigan. But they also went Foxy Lady in Providence on the way back. Probably Mo Vons there in the back. I was thinking black slipper maybe.

Is it in opposite directions? No, Mohegan, then. fox related the way back because you're driving back to Boston. That's usually the... Were you even remotely old... No, you're not even old enough for the old red light district stuff, right? No, but I knew about the combat zone just from my dad and his brother and I was like, someday I'll be old enough, maybe I'll go to the combat zone.

I was so excited like I would hear about it. Like, I remember going to Fenway when I was a little kid and watching guys beat the shit out of each other in the bleachers going, I can't wait. And I would hear, for those not from the area, it was just... It's just unbelievable to think that, you know, the combat zone. Like, what is it? This is going to be unbelievable. It was basically Boston's Red Light.

It's Amsterdam. And then it just, by the time I got there, it was long gone. But there was, like, a little remnant of like, oh, well, that place is kind of weird. And then this place over here. It's one of those things I've never YouTube or Google deep dived because what's in my head is so much better than the documentary that's probably done by PBS in 1982 about it. I mean, just to think that there's a part of Boston that was called the combat zone. And I was like, what do you want to do tonight? Be like, oh, combat zone.

Yeah, 2 o'clock in the morning, you'd go to the combat zone and nothing good would happen. Right. Best quotes. We did a bunch of these already. The Jack Clark quote, taking it for a ride didn't help. She didn't say anything. Jesus, are you sure? Taking it for a ride.

Didn't help. Yeah. Fuck. All right. When he wants a driver's license, there's something. like a Flix accent on that. There goes college soccer is up there. There goes college soccer is, I think, the winner.

Jesus Christ, Henry, oxy's guns. It's like towny Christmas. Jesus Christ, Henry. Oxi, guns? It's like towny Christmas. Good line. They threw bottles at you? That's a good one.

Hey, next time you guys want to take pictures of me, just call ahead. You know, we can do better than a barbecue. Solid. We hit all the other ones. I think it's college soccer. The second half of what Doug says to Jim, when he's like, we'll find another truck with the driver who's a fucking fat kid and his fucking shit's untucked and doesn't think he's special forces.

They didn't listen to Doug enough. No. And when Fergie goes... When Fergie... There was this outdoor show and discovery where it was not naked and freight. It was this other one was a survival thing. And they had like a hippie survival guy who was always barefoot. And they had like another guy who was special.

forces and basically the special forces guy who kind of ended up having a lot of stuff that was written about him but it was like you'd watch a show and you would just go oh so the guy who's barefoot is always right and this other guy has terrible ideas but like hey I'm going to catch some fish and the other special forces guy be like well I'm going to dig a pit it's going to take about eight hours to dig it yeah and then I'm going to sharpen a million sticks and then I'm going to hang a leaf over it and then maybe a wild boar will just run into this pit and we'll have bacon for like a month and the other guy be like hey I caught 10 fish with my t-shirt do you want to cook these instead Doug Doug was the barefoot guy

Because he was always right So when he went to Fergie This again is a stupid It's not even a good nitpick But it's a stupid one in that Ferggy's like I wouldn't Hary you without them But I wouldn't hire them without you

Yeah a unit And it's like actually I would hire Doug To head up probably any unit Yeah That's what I said to He's like I can't do this without slain That's what I said to Chris John Mallory And Juliet

We were forming the ringer I told Chris I wouldn't hire you without them The question is, who of those people is who in the town? That's a good one. I know, whatever the answer is fantasy would be like, I'm Doug, right? Another thing, too, is if Doug was a third round pick and got cut from the B's, as a third rounder, he definitely would be getting signed by somebody else.

Another team would have taken a shot on it. Even if it's like, hey, this guy, like he's got temper and maybe a couple pills in there? No problem. I just feel like he's in the A. H.L. until he's 27 before he hangs it up. Doug's NHL career ended up a little too abruptly. And by the way, her knocking him

for the truck being to, plenty of my guys back then were buying trucks that couldn't afford. Yeah. These are terrible nitpicks. Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show?

It's almost as long as one. The director's cut. Yeah, so normally if it's within 10 years, it's a stupid question because you wouldn't do it. But in this case, like, if there was a four-hour cut,

I was thinking about, all right, so if it's four, 40 minutes per episode. That's five episodes right there. Could we stretch out the gym into an episode? And is there more of a John Hamm as like a horn dog episode? And could we get to 10. You get a Chris Bottle episode, you know, just her going about her day. What's that City on the Hill show? City on a Hill was, uh, is, that's the one baking. Yeah. I feel like the town would have been a better choice to do a 10 episode Boston thing. Like just turn the town into.

But I think because of the town. Has there been a bank robber show? I don't feel like they're has. Because in the movies, it's already neatly wrapped up in two hours. I mean, there's like money heist and stuff like that. Like, there's Netflix international stuff that they have, but. But the time would be, you could do it. But you would, like, the first things you would do, be like, okay, where's, where's the depth in the rest of it?

Like, you would have to add a whole different, or not different, but an additional backstory to John Hamm. Like, okay, what, what's this guy's real deal? Like, what, would you have a hockey episode where Doug's, Doug's playing a little semi-pro and starting to feel it again? Sober. be like man the fucking the second season that was just minor league hockey kind of fucking sucked I have a nitpick about that yeah so that they just get the rink and that just isn't

that isn't that isn't audited at all when the we're doing tax loopholes now an anonymous donation from in the name of a convicted bank robber's mom just sets up this rink with an ice and it has like brand new ice for these kids and they're like well that's that's okay do you don't You think they were like the families of the 12 murdered Boston police officers probably would have raised the flag? Probably unanswerable questions. Where did the gang get uniforms for every Boston department? Oh, you can get uniforms. Can you get that?

You can get like the Mac Daddy police uniforms? I don't think that's that hard. Really? Combat zone. Yeah. Combat zone? Yeah. I have an unanswerable question. I've been dying to ask.

Well, I had a Claire pull off the whole fix in the ice rink with stone money thing. they kind of glossed over that one. What if it's for the kids, though? And the town's just like, hey. So, Shine Coughlin, 13 now? What's her life looking like, Rosillo? Whoa. Well, as the non-parent.

So does Chris go to jail after this? Yeah. She does. Yeah. Accessory. No. I think Chris is dead. I think Chris died in the last six years.

Yeah, I mean, there's a really good chance that Shine. No. Shines live in New Hampshire with cousins. That's got done. She's in Manchester. Okay. And then she tells stories. He's like, my mom was the whole reason

the Fenway Heist didn't go down. Remember the Fenway Heist in 09? Yeah. Like, dude, shines a fucking liar. What a weirdo kid. Why would the Red Sox owners want to show how easy it is to Rob Fenway Park? I never thought about how much money's in there.

Something tells me it's, there's a couple more checks and balances. Yeah. Also, may not have just $3 million sitting around. in the basement of the Yankee series. We used to have to take the cash to the bank on Saturdays at Newberry like every night. It wasn't like we're like, oh man, we're sitting on a hot weekend of 20 grand, you know?

Debit cards, credit cards now. You wouldn't even be... What's your unanswerable? What, whether this movie is better if Lively and Hall flop rolls, flip rolls. Oh. Like whether it's better movie. Because Rebecca Hall is objectively

probably a better actress than Blake Lively. When you look at her totality of her work. Jesus. And I'm just saying... Direct shots. No, I know that this is incomprehensive. Right there. This is so bad.

Blake lively outside and overalls gardening. Blake's perfect. I wouldn't flip rolls. Okay. I wouldn't do it. The question for me is... What about Affleck and Runner? Why not Garner in the Rebecca Hall roll?

That would have made a complicated set from what we understand about this set. What do we understand about this set? Let's move on. Oh, come on. This question is for you, Roussela. How good at hockey was Doug McCrae? Was he a poor man's Cam Neely or a homeless man's Cam Neely? Sounds like a homeless man's Cam Neely.

But like Cam Neely-ish. He's described in the hockey scatter report that year as like shades of a Cam Neely type sniper needs to work on his skating a little bit of a hothead. The hothead thing is isn't that big of a deal. Boston hockey players. Yeah, you would think the hot-ed thing would be about us. Also, wouldn't there be like an incredible groundswell of interest in like a local guy playing for the Bruins? Yeah, don't you think he'd be easier to spot?

That would be, that would have been a major story. A guy from Charles Tango in the third round of the draft getting drafted by the Bruins is a major story in Boston. Right. That's a guy everybody would know about. He'd be able to make enough money on signings and revere that he wouldn't have to rob banks, even if he got caught. Who won the movie, Chris?

Renner. Wow, no hesitation. Oh, no way. Affleck directed this. This is one of the best crime movie performances I've ever seen. Renner's incredible in this movie. Renner. So Affleck doesn't get points for us on directing?

This movie is really good without Renner. This movie is great with Werner. Sets up Affleck's next four years. Sets up Argo. Sets up Batman. Yeah. Sets up Gone Girl. completes the comeback.

That's my case for Affleck. Boston wins. There you go. Boston wins. And here's why. It's a fucking city of winness. I just think it's important to understand. And I'm on this history stretch here, okay?

Like, it's just, I can't get enough of it, right? I'm just, as I've gotten older. So you're done with Washington. I finish Washington. I'm on another Philbrick book, Bunker Hill, ironically. But it is comical. Like, in my buddies from Boston, I'll read some different chapter. I go, okay, hey, look, I've got to tell you about it.

And they love it because the Massachusetts thing, whether it was the mid to late 1700s, was a real thing. It was like a real identifiable thing. And I'm sure everybody who's listening this from a different part of the country that it has your own history. Yes, you have it. But I'm going to give you some examples. When they were starting to just get these militias together for the start of the Revolutionary War, the Boston guys were total shitheads. You think you're better to me, King George? Some of them didn't have, like a lot of them wouldn't have muskets.

They just show up with fucking sticks. Their gear was horrible. And another thing that's actually pretty interesting is historically because of the diet and living out in the country outside of the Boston area, they were just bigger. Like on average, they were 20 pounds and two inches taller than the British regulars. So they actually physically were more intimidating. Philbrick wrote about this stuff. And when the Virginia militia showed up with like perfect linen uniforms, and these amazing arms and hats.

The Boston guys that were already like, they looked homeless and they started throwing snowballs at the Virginia guys being like, fucking loses. Look at your weirdo shirt. Fucking linen weirdo. And they started fighting each other and like different corp, like whoever, you know, the terminology is all over the place.

But guys are like, hey, like, we're all on the same side, Boston guys. Can you not fucking fight with the other militias that have marched? all of these miles to come help for like the greater cause. And then there was all of this stuff when they would have all these. It was the birth of you think you're better than me. Right. And the other things that were great too is like you would just show up to a tavern and hand out 12 decrees.

You're like, okay, I'm Joe and these are my decrees and we will now do this. And like they actually kept record of all of this shit. And then people like, you hear about the decree and they start handing out pamphlets. And all this shit was happening outside of Boston. So Philadelphia has the big convention. And they would kind of like say, hey, can we not invite the Boston guys? Is there any way we can have these conventions that will shape the course of our country, the foundation of where this country is going?

But those animals from Fenway need to stay out. Is there any way we can kind of just like have Sam Adams come down and tell them not to fucking bring anybody else? Yeah. And they did it. And one of the big things, and this is brought up, it's brought up so many times that, and again, it's history. So not that many people are going to care about it.

But it was constant. and all these different books that I've read where they were like, look, if we invite the Boston guys, here's what's going to happen. They're going to fucking yell and scream. They're going to fight. And,

you know, part of the concern of the Revolutionary War was that they were afraid that if they won, and look, the only reason we really won is because the French billed is out. But if they had won,

they were like, there was a real national concern that Boston's going to be like, all right, fucking got rid of those dudes. Let's head south and start taking over. There was,

it's been written about constantly. And I just, every time I read it, I start fucking. laughing, hysterically being like, this couldn't be more accurate that the rest of the country, like guys in Philly, guys in New York, like the biggest names in those times. Like, you know, what's going to happen? They're going to fucking invade Virginia and they're just going to call it Massachusetts South. And they're going to try to take over the whole country. So now that's actually

happened with sports. Yeah. It's all out there, man. And it's the specific stuff where you go, how is this 1759 that I'm reading this? Because it sounds like exactly how. a dude I know today acts. It's unbelievable how weird it is. What a way to end this. I can't top that. I mean, it is. My kids' school, they go to Boston when you're in the fifth grade.

They do this Boston trip. And a big part of it is just like going to Charlestown, doing the walk, going to Bunker Hill, learning about the Revolutionary War, all that stuff. It is kind of funny that this became this whole other thing that was happening with Boston. They wanted to stop, right. The town's filming in this place that my kids go to visit. Right. They wanted to stop. Like, they were, they were, they, throughout time and like, whether it's the first Dorchester Heights thing and, and Washington and, you know, the British, they just set themselves up geographically. They kind of be screwed with the way they,

they'd taken up their positions. But then when you read about, you know, the history of the Revolutionary War and it doesn't, most of it doesn't take place up there, but there was this constant effort to be like, let's just, whatever we're doing. Yeah. Let's just like, temper the Boston thing. Let's just make sure it's not just all Massachusetts guys. I love the idea

that the Boston guys. They're fighting with the Virginia guys and they're like, you guys have to stop these guys walked all the words. No, no, no. We're not fighting. They're going to have a beer with us.

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