The Rewatchables - ‘The Truman Show’ With Bill Simmons, Glen Powell, and Chris Ryan

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and Chris Ryan are joined by actor Glen Powell to rewatch Jim Carrey’s 1998 classic ‘The Truman Show,’ directed by Peter Weir and starring Laura Linney and Ed Harris. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Ronak Nair, Chia Hao Tat, and Eduardo Ocampo Talk to a State Farm agent today to learn how you can choose to bundle and save with the Personal Price Plan®. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there®. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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It's nut crunching time for fantasy. You like when we have celebrities on the rewatchables because it just throws a chains on in the hot tub for the podcast. Yeah. And I got to say, the secrets out. We have Glenn Powell. He set the bar pretty high for celebrities on the rewatch. I was going to say, I think we learned some things in this episode.

It's good when the celebrity has listened to the podcast and knows the ringer and knows who we are. It's good when they suggest the movie and they really care that we did it. And I don't know, this is also a great movie that you'd actually seen, even though it came out in the 1990s. Yeah, this is a classic. I've seen it many times. Glenn has seen it many times and you can tell based on his performance. People are upset that we don't do a lot of Jim Carrey movies, but I've been saving it for Jim Carrey month. and yet we just haven't done Jim Carrey month.

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Subject to approval, learn more at PayPal.com slash paying for PayPal Inc. NMLS 910-457. All right. We've been talking about this pre-top Gun Maverick. We have? Because you said you liked this podcast. I'm a big fan of this podcast.

Yeah. And we were like, we got to get Glenn Powell on, CR. And then COVID, Top Gun Maverick. Eric, you started making movies left and right, and it took five years, but now we're here. I'm, I'm, it was worth the wait. It's worth the wait. This is honestly, like, the perfect moment. I really, like, there's a lot of comps between the Truman Show and Running Man and just, like, the fact that I've gotten a long, like, I've had a long time to, like, watch y'all's

podcast and watch you guys do what you do. It feels like we've earned it now. Are you a big rewatcher? Do you have, like, a stable of movies that you're pumped, like, you kind of, like, cycle through over and over again? I love hosting movie nights at my house. So, like, everybody knows me to, like, you know, cook some dinner for people and, like, host a movie night. Cook some dinner for people. Drinks and dinner, yeah.

Making some brisket? Like, what you do? Yeah, just, you know, I love Man and a Grill. So what we'll do is we'll just, like, you know, have, like, a little, like, a little theater thing in my house. And so what we do is, we just, like, kind of, you know, choose a movie that a lot of people haven't seen. Basically, what you guys do here, and we talk about it afterwards. So, like, kind of the same debrief. We do, like, a rewatchables version.

Nice. And it's like. It's like, you know, sometimes it's like cool serious movies, but sometimes you're like, hey, let's watch three ninjas. You know what I mean? And like, like, you know, this doesn't hold up. What was your rom-com that hit? Set it off?

Set it up. Set it up. Yep. Set it off. I'm sure. That's a different kind of movie. No, I remember when that hit. Yeah.

And we were all happy because it was like, and it was like right as Netflix was really emerging as a movie break. Yeah. And it was like, oh, our guy. Because we liked you for everybody wants some. It's like, oh, it's happening. And then you got Top Gun Maverick. Yeah.

Right after that. And Miles had, I remember I had Miles on my podcast around there too, and it's like Top Gun Maverick. It's going to be huge. Yeah. And how many months did it get delayed? Like 18? Yeah, it was like almost two years.

So, yeah, it'd have been 2020. And we released summer 2020. So it's been a long time. We did like a trailer reaction in like 2019. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Somebody asked me, they were like sitting there like, you know, like, sometimes when iPhone like does like, remember when throwback photos? I mean, that was like seven years ago. we started shooting that movie. It's unbelievable. I've never seen a snare like that where then it belatedly comes out and then it's huge.

It was great for you. It was great for Miles. But we're going to talk about Truman Show. Yeah. We asked you for a list. Yes. You sent us a list at 10 movies. Yep.

They're all pretty good choices. We hadn't done any of them. By the way, we've already done running for somebody bigger now. Yeah. Three Ninjas, yeah. That would be like the... Three Ninjas is the one no one saw coming.

Yeah. We're doing that one. But you said Truman Show was like near the top or maybe the first one. I was like, oh my God. Yeah. That'd be amazing. So why? What was it about Truman Show?

You know, the Truman Show is, you know, for me, it's one of those that, for being kind of like a really messed up premise, if you really like spend time thinking about it. Yeah, we will. It's a movie that has like so much joy for people. Like, it was like a, that moment in the 90s. I love 90s movies. But I just like think it was like a perfect role for Jim Carrey. There was like a wish fulfillment. I think like whenever I try to choose.

a movie, I always try to think about what the universal emotion is, like something we've all felt, but something that, you know, we're not tapping into. So it feels like there's a collective, a collective feeling around it. And I feel like we've all had that feeling of being manipulated, the idea that like being watched, like that same sort of feeling. I feel like it's kind of built into humans. For sure. And what's so interesting is such an ambitious movie that's actually made in kind of like a way that doesn't feel like too sci-fi or like too, you know, too far in the future. Like it feels very much of this world,

which makes it like a very kind of almost like, almost like a religious experience rather than a science fiction experience. It's like it's a very interesting movie, but I find that everybody I show it to can talk about life. It's like one of my favorite things to do when I watch movies with people, it spurs conversations.

Like you talk about the movie and everyone has such a different read on it. I mean, you could, literally go back to, you know, ancient Greeks, if you wanted to, when you're talking about this movie. You could talk about religion. You could talk about, you know, where we are with reality TV shows and, like, you know, how society sort of likes to control people. Like, you know, like how we check into someone else's reality, but we're not really living in our own. Like, there's, there's so many cool things to talk about. So I find that it's a

movie that really... Jesus, he's just the fucking host of a podcast. I just, I just, I just love to do. Me and you just go rewatch Celtic Sixers. We thought you were like, I really let you carry. Instead, it was like a long monologue. We talked about dumb and dumber. Like, I love you. Jim Carrey, this was also one of his movies that I love because it kind of tapped into like a dramatic side to him.

It still used his like superpower. Yeah. But didn't hold onto it too tightly. It allowed him to do some other things. Do you have so like this is just a great part? So when you're watching this, you're an actor, you're always thinking about projects. Like you must see a movie like this and be like,

fuck, what a great part. Yeah, I would have loved to have played. Truman. I mean, I think there's a lot of different types of actors that could play this role in the fact that I think it's a very well-written part. But I do think when you take on a role, you sort of have to figure out what the sort of guiding attribute is. And this movie could be played as a horror movie. Yeah. It could be played a million different ways. And the fact that he sort of lives in this blissful, kind of like, silly world, like the stakes of his world are low stakes until something drops out of the sky and kind of shakes him out of it.

So it's something kind of that actually Jim Carrey the way he plays it, I think is probably the strongest way too. You know what's cool, too, is that this movie had such an interesting development history, which I'm sure we'll talk about. And, like, there were different permutations of the script. There were different directors up for directing it. There were different actors up for doing it. And each one of them, you're like, oh, that would have been cool.

That would have been interesting. But something about Peter Weir and Jim Carrey and what they chose to do with it, you're like, that's timeless. Like, you can't change. a note of this movie. It really was the most Robin Williams part ever that he didn't do. Yeah, it totally.

And ironically, he was, not to step on casting what ifs, but he was like kind of mentioned and circled a little bit before they decided on. I think pretty much none of this cast was like the original. No.

The original. Wait, since we're talking about parts and being jealous and circling, have you picked your part and he too yet? What character is? Seems like everybody's in that movie except me.

Yeah. You're not in those stories? No, man. I looked at the, the storyboards. I'm not in them. You were in the Miami Vice remake once, though. I saw those. You and N.B. You know, it's really a fun, a fun thing that's happening right now? It's like the first time in my life where a casting announcement comes out and it's like, there's no, there's no truth

but like everybody congratulates you on it. I'm like, I'm just going to let it. But are you ever like, that's pretty sick? Yeah, I mean, look. I'm Sonny Krocket. You know, honestly, it's a, it's a very, it's a very funny moment in life in my career because, like, you do, you know, get to sort of retread, like, even with Twisters, right? Yeah. What a fun road. Yeah.

As a Texas boy who grew up around, you know, Tornado Alley. And, like, that was such a seminal movie. You know, Bill Paxson was such a, you know, he's a Texas Film Hall of Fame guy, you know. And he's like, what they did with that movie was really, really special. And so to kind of retread, you know, that ground was, like, really fun to do that with Top Gun, you know, was amazing. So that's one of the favorite parts of my career. As, like, as a fan of movies, I get to sometimes get to revisit. What are we,

Kilmer's part for him? Shiharlas, he's already got the short hair after the haircut, you know? Can you, can I rock a pony? Can I rock a pony? A real pony? I was born for a pony. Yeah, yeah.

So I honestly, don't rule out Sunny Crockett. I don't know, what are your cigarette skills? It's nonstop. The cigarettes are huge. No, I could see him doing it. Yeah, yeah. Could you fake Florida?

What? Could you fake Florida? Could you fake Florida? I don't think you fake Florida. You don't fake. Can Texas fake? You just get tan. What's the problem?

I just want to make sure. One spray tan away. That's what Florida is, yeah. Truman Show. Yeah. What else is on? It's one of the last lines of the movie, the old guys watching. I love that movie.

Those are my two favorite. That's, I mean, we're going to talk about the Dionne Waiters of it all. Oh, yeah. But I personally, and there's other great choices, but I think those guys are the best exposition, sneaky exposition of a whole movie. So basically this movie is foreshadowing everything that's about to come, which is why it's such a fascinating rewatch. It was great in the moment.

I remember when it came out, I saw it in the theater, I had an illegal cable box in Boston in the late 90s, and they would rerun the pay-per-views. So it would be like 12, 2.30, 5 o'clock. And I just kind of got sucked into Truman Show for like a week. And there's so many little Easter eggs and little things in there. And the more you watch, you're like, fuck, this is like, this movie's kind of fucking me up.

And then you start, like, are there cameras here? We're, you know, it's one of those where you start, like, reevaluating just like walking to Dunkin' Donuts, getting a coffee. No, it's, it's kind of amazing. I mean, even just watching it the other night, I, like, noticed some, like, they are very good. I mean, Peter Weir especially is just very good with production design and, like, the little Easter eggs that they put in there. Even, like, I saw on, like, this one little arch in the scene when sort of, like, you know,

Truman is kind of like, you know, having his freak out with the bus in the public where he's literally kind of starting to put it all together. On the arches, it says, you know, it said, I looked at, it was all this Latin stuff and I was like, well, I wonder what that is. And it says, it's, it translates to all for one, one for all. And I thought I was like, oh, that's cool.

Just like, I love when there's intention and purpose behind it. But it's like, they don't base it, they don't foreground that. No, no, no, no. You notice. Like, there's a bunch of little things like that where it actually will answer some of the questions you might have about how they would pull this off. But they don't make it a major element of the scene. because the point of the scene is the emotion

or this guy's journey or whatever. In my head, like as the years passed, I thought like, oh, reality TV, there was this huge boom in Truman. Like, I just kind of forgot how early this was. This is before Survivor, isn't it? It's before ever. This kind of weirdly kicked it off.

Like, this predated by a year or two. Yeah, I went through. I did the origin. So apparently the first reality show was called Numer TV on Dutch television. I don't know if you guys have the DVDs. I have the box set, yeah. Yeah, I only watched Dutch television.

That was the first putting people in a house. Real World was 92. I feel like the OJ trial was kind of a reality show. No, it wasn't. It was like an unintentional reality show. Road rules on MTV was 95. And that's it. So Truman Show comes in 98. And it's like this whole world is coming where anybody can be famous. Anyone's like day to day life can actually be something. And they were making Ed TV at the same time with McConaughey. Was EdTV before or after? After. After. So it was kind of this moment. But then Survivor Big Brother at 2000. Then Bachelor comes and we hit that whole world.

I was going to compare this to was the, do you ever see the Michael Aptead movies, the seven up series where they follow these kids from seven on and he makes them like every seven years about? And that is like a little bit like these kids, their whole lives exist within the framework of these movies. But the crucial thing about Truman is that he doesn't know he's participating in something that everybody else does.

Whereas all reality shows, people are like, yeah, I did this to be on camera. Yeah, it shifted really fast. I remember when I was working for Kimmel's show the first year, our lead guest for one episode was the lady that got voted off second to last on Joe Millionaire. Oh, my God. Wait, what's her name? Sarah something, I want to say?

Okay, okay. But I just dated. No, no. I'm sure. You know, like, I had Joe Millionaire. You know, we had a dating era for sure. But yeah, but that Joe Millionaire was being watched by. Sarah Cozer.

Sarah Cozer. Where do you go? Good get. 20 million. million plus people watching Joe fucking millionaire. It was a huge deal. Yeah. So it's just like something shifted.

Truman Show saw all of it. Dude, I don't know if you guys have seen this show jury duty. Yeah. But I realized like that is Truman show. That's modern Truman show. Yeah. Like the idea that everybody's in on except one guy.

Guy, I didn't really thought about that with jury duty, but I love that show. It's a great show. Yeah. Jimmy did a movie for a comedy central called Windy City Heat where they just prank this one guy with all of these. This is probably like 2002 range. And the same kind of premise. He was the only one who didn't know what was happening. This Truman show was, I would say, a little more elaborate because they had, I can't wait to do some of the nip picks.

The number of actors and extras. I mean, as a first AD, I was literally thinking, like, sometimes I like to, like, you know, look at a movie, you know, and kind of go, okay, like, what is the production designer's job? What's the first AD's job? Like, what do they stay up at night? Like, what keeps them up at night? Yeah. The first AD on the Truman show, it's a nightmare. Just 24 hours a day.

24 hours a day. They would have people breaking. We can get into it, yeah. Well, Top Gun Maverick was probably, that was probably the biggest, most amount of people movie you made. Most amount of people movie. Like, just behind the scenes, like people doing shit.

I think it was the amount of, I would just say, like, institutions that were involved, you know, because, I mean, you're dealing with, like, the United States Navy, you know, you're dealing with the government. Like, you're dealing with $80 million aircraft, and you're flying them, like, not how they're normally flying them. Right. You know, and so there's a lot, I mean, we would have to give briefs in front of the actual Navy every day before we flew.

Like I had to tell them altitude, here's my airspace, here's going to be my coordinates, here's the sun position. If this plane's moving at this, you know, like you, and I had to give a brief every morning exactly what we were doing. And you're doing it for the production, like your production department heads. So they're aware of what's happening. So it matches up in the edit. Yeah. So you're saying, hey, if I'm looking. you know, at, at three o'clock,

is the plane going to be there or is at four o'clock or five o'clock, so it all cuts together? Or am I looking down on this plane, like where, and you're doing it with little plane sticks and acting everything out. So it was like, but you have to remember, like, we are, we're not like fake planes.

Like, we're dealing, we're like, we're putting civilians flying like 100 feet off the ground. It's 500 miles an hour. It's like, it's a big deal. What should deal with our guy Cruz? The rewatchable's leader by like four movies. Yeah. He's got a four-movie lead over every...

His run in the 90s was... I think we've done all of them except for, like, far and away at this point. No, there's 90s movies? Oh, there's some meat on the bone, Chris Ryan. Oh, yeah. We got some Mission Impossibles left. Oh, that's true. Yeah, I don't think we've done all the right moves.

There's some 80s stuff. Yeah, yeah. Don't worry, Tom Cruise. We got you. The comedian who doesn't want to be a comedian for a movie movie, a Hollywood staple. Yeah. Phil Murray, the Razors Edge.

Adam Sandler, Punch Drunk Glove. Yep. Will Farrell, Stranger. fiction. Yep. They always have to have that one where they're like, I can do more than this

in a good way. Do you think Good Morning Vietnam is Robin Williams his dramatic turn? World According to Garp, I think was. Oh,

I guess that's right. Because he's coming out of Mark and Mindy, just like, hey, I'm not just like goofy. Was that pre-goodwill-Hun? Or what was the one he did with insomnia?

That's late. That's later. That's Nolan. Yeah. And then Awakening's when? Awakening's. Awakening's was early 90s. That was another one.

When he was like, I also have serious Rabin-Liams. I can do that character. How many sides do you have? How many sides? You have rom-combe, Ben-Powl? Action Glenn Powell. I'm trying to cover my big-go board right now. Honestly, you know what the fun part

about this moment in the job is people give you a very long leash? Right? And they only basically say no when you've proven that you can't do it. Right? And so what I'm like really trying to do right now is like really just like all the movies that kind of inspired me to do this job,

like all the things that we're talking about like is just movie fans. I'm kind of going, you know, I don't really think of it from like a me side as much as just like a, the types of movies I want to make. And then you, you always want to know what you're good at. You always want to know, like what you're, you don't want to, you know, take on something that is like, just not a fit. But like, at the end of the day, like, going into something that kind of scares you is a good thing. Well, he's got some sports movie mortality. Like you're, how old are you now? 37, just turned 37 two days ago. But maybe it. 10-year window now for sports movies.

He's chucking it in Chad Powers. I know. You got Chad Powers. Yeah. Everybody wants some. I feel like there's like an end of the career baseball movie. Maybe it's like a comedy drama. A little like for love of the game.

I may or may not be building one of those. Come on. Trust me. Yeah. Because you were good at baseball. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah.

What about the Val Kilmer part from Heat? He moves to South America plays winter ball in Panama. You know? Yeah. So it could be Heat 3. That's how they find him. But yeah. It's a really weird.

He's hitting 400. In Mexico, very specific. Totally, we have to... A lot of shifting in the first act. What are your other sports? I mean, I would say that, like, lacrosse would be, like, a fun one to do. Laxbrook.

There's not really any lacrosse movies. No lacrosse movies. Oh, my God. That would be really fun. Aging lacrosse guys? I just feel like baseball movies that, for me, like, obviously Linklater is, like, a guy that will team up, you know, many times over, but he, talking to him about baseball,

it's hard not to, like, go, oh, what's a great baseball movie? because he's one of the only guys that, I would say directors out here that really know the sport. And like understand what makes it great. Yeah, it's hyper-specific. They're kind of undefeated with movies. They never stop.

Yeah. They keep coming out. I wanted to ask you, so Peter Weir. Yep. Yeah. Kind of, you know, I was thinking about this last night, kind of reminds me of Link Later in that there's not like an overbearing visual style

that you're like, that's that guy's movie. You know, it's like a Scorsese shot or a Chris Nolan shot. But he gets incredible performances. like all of his films, this is a third or fourth Peter Ware, like we've done dead poets, we've done... We did witness.

Witness. We'll do Master and Commander at some point. And Master and Commander at some point. What is it about, like, the actors director? Like, when you're working with Link later or something like that, like, how does he get such naturalistic and human performances out of people? And do you see some of that? It's a really good question.

It's a really good question. Chris Ryan's on his game today. You know, you know what's interesting about Link is that you, you can tell when a director, I always like, I always kind of like sniff it out with a director and kind of,

you kind of feel, what are they paying attention to? Mm-hmm. Right. And a lot of times you can feel when a director is like doing things where it's like, obviously there's always a million things to do and when they're paying attention to the background artists.

They're seeing how things fill up a frame. They're looking at light. They're looking at camera movement or whatever. Linklater is the first guy that will call, call out bullshit on performance. He's like, he's like, something's not reading here, but we do a lot of the rehearsals

to make sure that we're all on the same page. Like, he's a guy that as an actor, there's nothing better than when a director, you know something's bullshit. And then a director goes, hey, I just didn't buy it. You're like, oh, I'm taking care of. Right? Interesting.

He's got your back. He's got your back. Authenticity. Turns out it matters in Hollywood. But as an actor, like, a lot of times, like you work with a filmmaker and you're like, they're great shooters. They know how to work the camera.

or like they know how to shoot, you know, all these different, you know, action or, you know, they're great with, you know, creating tension or thrilling elements. But then you realize you're on your own performance level. Yeah. That's when you're kind of living at the monitor, making sure, you know, I do that anyway at the beginning of a movie to just to see how it's sort of reading with all the elements. But at the, but it's really nice to have some, a filmmaker who is looking out for you in that way. Because then you can just play.

You know, then you're, then you're, then you understand that the edit's going to take care of you. Right. You know, you don't have to, you don't have to edit yourself. You know, I have all these premiere magazines from the 1990s, and they wrote about Truman Show in 98, and it was a long interview with Peter Ware, and they asked him, like, how are you so good at these characters? And he said, because he was making movies in Australia in the 70s, right? He made, like, pick and hangarly like all those ones. But he said they had no good screenwriters in Australia. Wow. And you kind of, if you were director, you also had to like, advise all these shitty scripts.

And so that really got him when he was younger to learn how to like work with dialogue with actors. And he's like, in a weird way, it like worked out for me. Because I was always thinking about this when I was a young director. And then as it translated when I got older, that's why I can work with actors. So I was like, oh, that's really interesting. How to make you work. Yeah.

Well, you realize that there's a lot. Like, as an actor, like I always appreciate it, especially in this movie when certain things are happening for, for Truman in a weird way. And like, you only get so many buy-ins in a movie. Like, there's a lot of buy-ins that you have to, you know, buy into here about, like, what he's aware of, what he's not aware of, like, how many lights that have fallen down from the sky that didn't start unraveling his sense of the world. Sure.

There's a few things like, to build a history of Truman is a very interesting thing. And, like, sort of what you have to brush under the rug and sort of what you have to kind of honor. And I just thought that you could tell that Peter Weir and Jim Carrey were really, really on the same page with, with, like, what, how to react to certain things, right? Like, to react, like, kind of, like, comedically to it and then, like, kind of move on with your life. Yeah. You know, not let it, not let it marinate too long because then the audience is going to

marinate on it, too. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because he's the audience surrogate, even though we are, even though we are, have more information than Truman, if he's thinking about it too much, the logic police start kicking in and you do not want that for this. Yeah. I mean, he does.

something, we're just something really cool where he both identifies exactly what somebody's good at. So, like, Carrie has all this, like, physical... Yeah. He's so gifted at moving. Like, he's almost like Gene Kelly in this movie. He's, like, gliding through these scenes. But he also, like, knows when to, like...

Whether he knows or Carrie knows to when to take it down 5%, so that it doesn't turn into the mask at any moment, like, or it doesn't turn into, like, kind of a more comic over-the-top performance. And I think it's what you're talking about. It keeps us connected to him because he seems just enough like a real guy

to buy him in this completely unreal situation. Well, I like that he waited for Carrie for a year. And they decided he was doing it. He was like, this has to be the guy. And he's like, well, I got to make cable guy and the liar, liar. They're like, all right. So apparently we were spent like a year

just thinking about the movie, storyboarding. He hadn't done a movie since Fearless in 93. So he wanted backstories for all the cats. So he went like deep dive. I'm going to create. like, Marlin, what's his backstory? How did he grow up? The Depp Poets characters, like all the actors on

Depp Poets were like, we had us do our own biographies for every character. Like, we would write our own biographies and rehearse them and talk about stuff that wasn't even going to be in the movie. But he was like, it was just that level of care. We're going to do, Glenn's going to do that for Miami Vice. The remake.

Sunny Crocket autobiography. You guys do it. A sub-category for Sunny Crockett. Yeah. A Sub-category for Sunny Crockett. The interesting part about Truman's show In terms of also what you're talking about backstory Every single character in this movie

I always love like the category of like the rack focus movie Yeah Like where you're like oh if I rack focus to Laura Lenny's character How did she get cast in that show? Absolutely. What does that look like like Even the contract of like Her marrying a person

And being like what is that What does that? Does she get gazed off? Yeah, right. She get days on. Like, what does that look like in perpetuity? Like, you know, that, and I just think that there were so many characters like that because this is sort of like an, you cannot make this premise bulletproof.

So allowing you to, like, rack focus to different characters, you know, even Marlin, like, you know, even the dad, like the way he comes back. I'm sitting there going, I have so many questions, but everybody's really interesting. And when you have a social experiment like this, I was like, this is a world in which you can kind of constantly rack focus to cool people. So we got Laura Lennie, Ed Harris. Noah Emmerich, fresh from the beautiful guys set. Yeah, singing Neil Diamond.

Peter Krauss, Paul Giamatti, Philip Baker Hall. Yeah. I like lollip pops of my... Where's the butter in my ass? A lollipops in my mouth. This is what I like. This is right around the same time, too.

Yeah. Natasha McAlone? Is that how you say it? Yeah. Macalon. Just looking great. How do you say it? McElhan.

McElhan. Yeah. Looking great. Holland Taylor, Harris Shearer. Carries the star, obviously, and carries in this huge. Peter from 94 to 2000. This is a seven-year run.

I think it's probably the best that you could argue for any comedian ever and it's in the running for Best Actor Run ever. Ace Ventura, the Mask, dumb and dumber, Batman Forever. Ace 2, cable guy. He hosts S&L during Wolf Farrill's first season, and it's probably one of the four best episodes

of the history of the show. Liar, liar. He has the Larry Sanders cameo in the last show where he jumps on the desk and sings to Larry Sanders. man on the moon, Truman Show, me, myself and Irene and Grinch Stole Christmas have the Grinch St.

In seven years. When's the Turtle Sunshine? Is that the same? Bank. Wow. The Tunnel Sunshine is that like... After. After.

Yeah, this is he started, the 2000s he slowed down a little bit. But I mean, that's like... That's a pace, by the way. That's crazy. That's a crazy pace. Yeah. Seven years.

In all kinds of different performances and, you know, even like he became Andy Kaufman for like four months. Yeah. That documentary is wild. Yeah, yeah. Like, he really like, kind of lost this. mine a little bit. But this is I don't know, is he the most talented

comedian we've ever had for to cross over in movies? It's probably between him and Robin Williams, right? Yeah, I agree. I think so. I mean, Eddie had a huge box office. I don't know if he's ever had like this diversity of parts. But Robin Williams and Jim Carrey would probably be my number. I think Eddie Murphy could have gotten there, but

he had a similar, unbelievable seven-year run, but he never figured out the drama side in the same way. That's like the... Did he ever... What did he do drama-wise? Dreamgirls? And, I mean, Boomer is a rom-com, but is pretty... Boomranks amazing. Yeah.

Yeah, he dabbled, but it never... He never kind of landed it. But Carrie was just... It's like, you look at the IMDB, and it's like, what the hell? Like, seminal movies. Like, yeah. Jesus, how did you do all that? Andrew Nicol wrote this movie in 93.

We mentioned that. Can I throw out a quick nickel facts here? Yeah. So this quote that he had in a recent enough, like, 2023 interview with a Holly reporter was actually, like, the best summation of why this movie works. They were asking him, like, what was your idea for the movie? And he goes,

as children, we often think the world revolves around us. I thought it would be interesting if it did. And then he goes, it was that, along with my lifelong, inescapable paranoia

that we are being lied to. And so you basically take Frank Capra and Alpha Hitchcock and you put it together. And that's what this movie is. Well, so, wow, that's great. Yeah, so they did 16 drafts. We were wanting to be a little funnier.

and then reality really started tick off a little bit too and made it a little bit easier. Is it better if you don't know reality TV is coming or if you knew reality TV happened? Like as an experience of watching it in hindsight? I can't wait to find out from Craig later. Yeah, watching it knowing that Survivor and Big Brother and the challenge and all these fucking crazy shows are coming.

I personally love... I mean, look, this movie came out. I was really young when this movie, I was 10 years old ones. movie came out. But I, but like watching it now as an adult, I actually get so much joy out of like knowing that reality TV is such an interesting social experiment and the like why people watch it, the lengths people are willing to go to watch other people go through things and like how we define reality. Yeah. Just like just like just the mercy that we have for people in these scenarios.

It's like a very interesting thing that I like watching it now. I think. think as an adult, I appreciate it because it feels like it's possible. Like, I know it says, I think, and I think there's like, you know, the real estate question of how you actually build something like this, how you control something like this. But I think on a level, if it were feasible financially or practically, a network would do this in a heartbeat. I mean, and legally, yeah. If it were feasible.

Yeah. I would argue, though, like, you're legitimately famous. Like, your life is a little Truman show-ish every day. because you walk around this world, but when people see you and wherever, they're like, hey, which is a little like what this movie's doing, but the people can't, they kind of, you can just see their body language,

change when they see it, but it's a little similar, right? Yeah, I mean, I think that's been an interesting adjustment is you still walk through the world the same, and then sometimes you have those moments where you kind of look up and you're like, oh, this is, okay, everybody, you know, it is a little bit of a paranoid thriller or something.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I know it's hard for CR. It's brutal. Yeah. We're going to take a break and then I want to talk about the Oscars with this, which I was fascinated by. This episode is brought to you by State Farm.

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All right. So how many Oscar nominations do you think this movie got? All right. Ed Harris, did I hear's win or get nominated? Nominated. I'm sure Peter Weir had to get nominated. Yeah, I'm sure script got nominated. That's three. I'm going to go production design.

No, we're done. No, we're done. That's it. Three. Yeah. Yeah. Only three. No carry.

No carry. Travis. You know what, though? The Oscars, like, there's a different path for a comedian getting to that stage, in my opinion. It's a little bias. I think you earn it in a different way. Take in the NFL, you have to be a one or a two seat to win the MVP or else they don't take you seriously. Dak Prescott.

Exactly. Just, man, thank God he's having a hell of a season. Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's got to go 13 and 4. So, Craig, were you shocked that he didn't win, that didn't get nominated for this? Yes, yeah, 100% needed to get nominated. Because communities have been nominated in the past. Like, Robert Danny Jr. got anon for Tropic Thunder.

Yep. I mean, Johnny Depp for Pirates is kind of comedy role, got nominated. But, like, those are dramatic actors that are doing a comedic thing and are sort of honored. I think it's a different thing for someone who's a true comedian. It's a bias. Yeah. Coming to that stage. Do you know what I mean?

Eventually got over it. Because I think Good Morning of Vietnam was a big one for him. This is a wild Oscar. Well, Benini wins for Life is beautiful. Hank's Private Ryan. Ian McCallon, Gods and Monsters, Nick Nolty Affliction. and then Ednor and American History. That's a good year.

The two-handed dunk, that's what it was. But yeah, if you do it over again, I think Kerry's one of the five. Yeah, absolutely. I certainly want of, I think one of his two or three best. Would people say Eternal, Eternal Sunshine over this? I would have this over Eternal. This is a much more tough role in my opinion. Yeah.

I think Eternal Sunshine is a brilliant premise that's like a really emotionally driven brilliant premise. I think this one, as an actor, you go into a role and you know how high that tightrope is

off the ground is a really high tight rope. So Weir got nominated, Spielberg won for Private Ryan. And then the script, I think it was Shakespeare in Love

and up on him. So there you go. $60 million budget made $264 million. We used to go see movies. Well, that's coming back. That's the perfect return on it.

Right? It's like 60. We're not over our heads here. 200 and whatever is like a huge hit. We didn't have a Hollywood reporter back then going, it still hasn't made the money back. They spent 271 million. Yeah. It really is a whole thing where you sit there like, who cares?

I'm just like a big believer in cheering for everyone in this business. I think like that's a thing that it's really hard to take big swings and have big wins in this business. And like when, you know, a movie wins like one battle after another. I freaking love this movie. And I was like, I'm cheering for that thing to win. I hate it when people like, yuck your yum. And you're like, well, but it didn't. They did it.

It was like sinners too, which was so dumb. Siskel and Ebert gave this movie two thumbs up on TV. And I don't remember seeing this before. An on-air apology to Jim Carrey. Because they said after Ace Ventura, pet detective, which they hated, they said he would never have a movie career. You're kidding.

And four years later, they love this movie. People hated Carrie when he first. Like my dad. was a film critic like these guys and like I just remember him like sitting through the farting and him just being like I can't do this and like this guy's such a joke and then like five years later. Yeah, Zanayvintra cut off line is probably like 45. Somehow I'm way over it and I still think it's hilarious. But a certain type of older person thought it was like the worst thing that ever been inflicted on mankind.

If you're two-year-old haggard film critics were like, I can't. I can't do it. I'm done. Just shoot me in the head right now. I don't know if it's nostalgia. I mean, it really, that is one of those things that. That is the dumbest premise, and it only works because of full commitment. Yes.

To creating jokes out of nothing. Can I ask you a question? You're either going to laugh at that or you're not. You're not. You can't explain that. You're either going to hate that or love it. That's it. Anyway.

The rhino when nature calls, I think it's still one of the greatest physical gags of all times. So, Ebert, four stars. Absolutely loved it. Talked about how it brought in focus. The new values that technology is forcing on humanity. because we can engineer genetics, because we can telecast real lives. Of course we must, right?

But are these good things to do? The irony is the people who will finally answer that question and be the very ones produced by the process. Raj saw the world coming. But Gattaca, which was the other one, Nicolrope, was fascinated in this world too. What's going to happen when technology takes over? And he was like, these two movies are basically related for me.

The good news is technology is fine now. I think it's going great. I think we're going to play. Yeah. Nothing on the run. to worry about it. It's not like those big scary companies or anything. It's going awesome. I'm sleeping tight. It's time for one of our favorite segments. The most rewatchable scene and it's brought to you today by PayPal. When you want to make the most of your money, head to the PayPal app,

save the 5% pay later offer before you check out to give you the flexibility to pay in for no fees, no interest. All right, we're doing the categories. Thankfully, Glenn is listening to the podcast and he's excited. Most rewatchable scene is a start. I'm just going to throw out the ones I had and if I missed any tell me. But the opening, how it opens like the show with Christoph. Yeah. And you're like, what's going on? I thought Peter Weir directed this movie. But he has that thing where he says, I like how it's a reality show convincing people that it's real life and that it's better than acting. Meanwhile, nothing at all is real. And it's like, okay. Yeah, like this like the sit down interview. Yeah, I'm in.

Truman's flashback to being in love with the other girl in high school. with Lauren. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. And that whole sequence, the way she looks at him, I like movies when you get an actor to look at another actor like that

with like just real love and affection. I think it's underrated. She gets the most bang for her buck for probably having fewest lines in this movie and being like literally over the whole movie which just looks. Yes.

Truman starts to figure it out with the radio frequency in the car. Love that. Hospital. Spying the Fiji ticket with the makeup bib. The lady still forgot to take the bib off. The bus breaks down. So we got that.

Truman tries to escape with Merrill. Yep. Finally drives over the water. They catch him. Now you know it's bad. Quickly, the Mocooco scene when he's like, who are you talking to? Who are you talking to?

She's just doing that thing. Marlon's heart to heart with Truman. If I'm in on it, everyone's in on it. If everyone's in on it, it means I'd have to be on it. Yeah, but also Christoph giving him the lines and him kind of being like, God damn Big reveal, so they don't reveal this.

It's like the 50 minute mark of the movie. It's incredible. And it's like, and now we wind back, there's a crew watching and we're like, holy shit, this is what we're doing. It doesn't really set in, right? Yeah, that's how it all works. Whole universe watching.

Truman's crying when he sees his dad. That's a good moment, yeah. There's a theory he's crying because he knows that his whole life's been a lie. Oh. He's not crying because he's happy to see his dad again. He's crying because he's like, holy shit up. Because right after that moment, he's on to everything. I would love to ask Jim Carrey that question.

Maybe he played it both ways. We're just like, yeah, dude. Truman escapes in the basement, a little Shawshankish. Yeah. For sure. Dark. Truman's sailboat adventure with Christoph going heel. The great wave machine.

He's going Old Testament on him. Yeah, he was. Yeah. Do it up. Put it up to the danger. I want to point out the score. How good the scores in this movie, especially the scene.

And then when he hits the end of the world, it's the best. You're like, wait, what happened? Maybe one of the most iconic endings to a movie ever. Yeah, certainly. Truman says goodbye. I don't know. There are any other ones you would throw in?

No, I bring it up score. I think the moment that he's kind of discovering things like where he's turning on that street and then he's like, he's stopping the bus and he's starting to kind of put it all together. There's the score behind that, I realize that I go, oh, I think in any other director's hands, they start playing it like a little bit more paranoid and kind of built in tension. Yeah.

He played it triumphantly. Right. And it was an interesting thing where it makes you like root for Truman. Right. Like, it's almost like, oh, he's putting it together. And we're like on the page of going, oh, let's go Truman. And that's the, that's Philip Glass, I think. Yeah.

Phil Glass. Like, but I just thought it was a really brilliant musical cue because it trains the audience to root for him rather than. Chris, let's do that with the Miami, remake. With the three when the three of us hash it out. So what do you have

for most rewatchable? Most rewatchable? I think that scene is the most rewatchable scene. Is him putting it all together. He's right.

Yeah, that's when he discovers the set, it goes through the revolving door, and then he just is sort of like starting to see the ones and zeros out there.

It's the wish fulfillment of the whole movie in my opinion. Yeah, I've seen this movie multiple times and it still takes me back when he hits the end. Yeah.

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Learn more at PayPal.com slash paying for PayPal Inc. NMLS. 910457. What's the most 1998 thing about this movie? Did I prepare you for this one? Yep. Most 1998, I think the travel agent. That's a great one.

Glenn can't prepare. Glenn's in the high bar for any future celebrity guests. I had a very negative experience with a travel agent today and I was just like, how is this happening? Like, I've called you once in 10 years. Right. You can't make this work for me. What do you have for 98?

Reality television being like, a novel idea. Just so the idea that like when you would have seen this movie in 1998, this would have seen incredibly far-fetched. And now it seems like, oh, yeah, isn't there a Truman show on Channel 236 that I don't know about? That's a good one. I had young Paul Giamatti.

I don't know. It just jumped out to me. Wait, wait, age the best. No, just that it made, seeing young Paul Giamati made me feel like I was in the mid-1990s because he was in private parts with Howard Stern and just like seeing that version of him. He's the best friend. Hellhop in my best friend's wedding. Yeah, yeah.

He had this whole that guy run in the 90s before he became Paul Giamatti. Yeah. And then he did the wine movie that we've already done. Sideways, of course. That I'm blanking on. But yes, he did sideways and he became Paul Giamatti. But for 10 years, he was just like this guy.

He was stuck in the moon. Weird facial hair and some. Anyway, what's age the best? Well, what do you have? Let me see what I've seen. I'll do a couple where you're looking up. I like movies when adults play high school kids in flashbacks and I actually feel like

they're in high school. Yep. Because people, they usually mangled that. I actually, like, believe, like, Laura Lenny was, like, when they all met together. 30's a good age to go. Yeah. You can get away with... Just far enough. Carrie actually looked young

enough, so I was buying that. You know what I wrote down for what age is the best? Yeah. Product placement. Oh, yeah. I think they sort of like, they kind of brushed it under the rug of the product placement about how many, how the entire world was sold.

Product placement in postgame shows for TV shows, like recap shows basically. This movie, this is probably for a different category, in a lot of ways predicts Amazon. Because when you were watching an Amazon show, they're also like, you can buy whatever anybody's wearing in this. Right. You know what I mean? Or you can

buy like the stuff that they're using. So it's kind of the only thing I missed out on was the gambling content. Like, we didn't have Truman making a same game parlay. I was waiting for this. Yeah. You know what I thought about that? Like there was like this one bar. Like, I never noticed the the sort of aprons before, but it's not just a bar.

It's a Truman show bar. Yeah, it's like, Bubba Gump's shrimp. That's what I was thinking. I was like, that kind of took me out of it a little bit. I kind of wanted to feel a little more universal. But I thought about in that bar, you have to have some gambling in that bar. Well, he does do two to one odds on.

Pool table. He's, like, the bartender does do, like, I'm taking odds on him getting out of this, getting across the ocean here. You should never see the act. I was going to do this later. I'll just do this now since you brought it up. So people are going to the bar.

They're just having drinks and food. At the Truman Show Bar. Truman shows on. Are they allowed to talk about anything else? You say that. But if I opened a bar called Miami Vice, we're Miami Vice. Guys,

we got everyone's dressed like Miami Vice. And we just added mojitos. It's not a terrible idea. This is what, what was the one that Stallone and Bruce Willis opened? The Plain Hollywood. I'll play Hollywood. Yeah.

Right. You know, there's like, I always loved the Rainforest Cafe. I love a themed restaurant. Yeah. You know what I mean? Do you think there were some people that went to the Truman bar and we're like, I'll go

to the Truman Bar. I'm not fucking talking about the Truman Shuck. It's talking about anything else. It's got great ribs. They got great ribs. Product placement could have been a little more subtle. In 98. That's my one knock is I think that they could have been like there was the twin guys that they

pushed him against. I'm like, he would have figured that out. Laurelini's like kind of really selling it. Like in the middle of that very intense moment, she has to promote moco, cocoa. You don't have to do that right now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought the best Seacrest idea for what's age the best. No cats.

Just dogs. Sea Haven. Sea Haven. Yeah. There is no cats in the secret. There's a cat in the control room. Very dog friendly, though. It's a very interesting thing to notice.

Interesting. I'm only saying this for Mallory Rubin because she works with us and she's going to be furious that I enjoyed a world with no cats. When I was shooting Expendables 3 in Bulgaria. Say no more. What a start to a sentence. There is a city. So the city of Sophia Bulgaria

is like overrun with dogs. All dogs. And then there's a city called Plavdiv that is overrun with cats. And I visited them like, like, and I was like, what a weird thing to have like,

do they have any sharks and jets? That's what I was thinking. I was like, there's going to be a war. That happens when these two cities. Maybe I said Mallory there. Report back. So what's age the best?

The poster, which I think is one of the best posters from this decade. It was done by an artist named Rob Silverman. hundreds of carry things that he just worked on forever, and they paid $75,000 for it. 75, that's it?

Wow. That is a great. That is a great. What did you say it premiered? The poster or the... No, the actual movie. Oh, I don't know. Was it at a festival or was it like a...

I think it was just a regular version. I think they pushed it because they wanted it to go for Oscars. Yeah, it premiered in June in L.A. Yeah. It was supposed to be 97, and then the Titanic literally was this big boat coming for everybody. and they were like, let's go 98. Better chance for the Oscars.

What else do you have for what's age the best? Age the best. I do think that the ending, the ending is perfect. One of the great endings. I just think, I think the bow at the end, the wish for fulfillment of it, you get that thing that I love in movies, which is like the laugh cry. Yeah. Like you cut to the world, like the guy in the bathtub just like slap in the wall.

Like you kind of have that emotional reaction where you're like simultaneously. sad at its ending, but also, like, so happy for a guy. That was a very hard thing with VJF, Edgecom, and the end of Joe Olympian's career. Happened at the same time. Is that a laugh cry for you? The laugh cry. In the tub.

Do you have any of what stage the best? I got a bunch. This movie passes the Raiders of the Lost Arc screenplay test that I'm inventing, not inventing, but... I like it. It's like, I think every 10 pages or 10 minutes of this movie, something really important happens, and it makes you so...

engaged on a kind of almost subconscious level with it, you anticipate almost like a thriller, even though it's like this drama comedy, but I was just realized this last night. At 10 minutes, he can't get on the boat. You're like, why not? 20 minutes, we meet Lauren. 30 minutes, he discovers the set.

40 minutes, he sees the fingers crossed wedding picture. Yep. 50 minutes, the cop says Truman's name when he's like, no problem, Truman or whatever. Thanks, Truman. He's like, what the fuck? And then at 60, he gets reunited with his dad, and you see Christoph in the control room, and then it's like the last 30 minutes,

which is just crazy. But the way that, like, they have that, that, like, rhythm to, like, discovery in this movie, it's just kind of disorienting enough. And then you're like, oh, okay, cool. And it's paced out well. Yeah. I heard that there was a version of the script

in which we don't even realize that Truman is in a simulation until the midpoint. See, this is what I wanted to ask about, is like whether or not you guys think that's the drop it. Opening 30 seconds. or two minutes in the movie is what makes it rewatchable

because you're like, I kind of know just enough about this being weird, but if you just have it play like a six cents twist, it's different. You know what I mean? Yeah, people are stupid.

I think you have to cater to that a little bit. You kind of have to hold their hand every once in a while with something like this. I think that's why. What else do you have? I had them doing T-Rex, 20th century boy,

as like a 1950s sock hop jam because like you know what is music in this world and like how would they have like what does he know about like rock and roll or whatever is time stop in the 50s and so like the fact that they're covering

a 1970s glam rock song that's obviously very popular but making it sound like Chuck Barry or something like that oh that is interesting is a kind of interesting idea about what they would do for like to keep this guy like

engaged with culture inside of this world They just didn't want to pay for the rights. That is also possible. You know what's funny, though, is I actually flagged that scene is actually, I think, one of the best directed scenes in the whole movie. The dance. The dance. I think that dance is like poetry.

It is done with looks. It's fun. It's paranoid. It's got a sense of the world to it. And it does so much heavy lifting in a very short amount of time for the whole movie. I had a... Don't get freaked out. Death set C and movies.

movies. Oh. I think are always riveting. And I almost wanted to do like my, my top tier best ones ever. And then I thought that would be super weird. Because ordinary people has a great one. Yeah. This one has a really good one.

Yeah. Perfect storm. But the one where you're like, just hold on. And the guys say, I can't. Yeah. They fall back. Titanic is probably. Visually, Titanic's another one.

But visually it's, oh, it always works. Yeah. It's always on run. It's like, oh, he's not going to be able to hold on, is he? I got it. I got it. I mean, that's where the movie. takes on a really dark, dark thing.

You're like, oh, what they're willing to do to keep this guy here? So he goes under and what do they have, like, a scuba day? They show a clip of it. Yeah. They show a clip of like, he's like, I think, maybe I'm making this up. But it seemed like the dad was like upset with being taken off the show. Yeah, he's in the montage when Christoph does his interview. Yeah.

And they show the dad being like upset about it. Yeah, yes. Yeah. Yeah. His storyline was cut off. And yeah, the divers are in the water getting the dad. Right. Quick ones. Big Gahuna Burger Award,

best use of food and drink. The Moco Cocoa Coffee. She'd come back. I had chef's pal, dicer, grader and peel her all in one. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah. I think those are the two.

I mean, the Moco Coco, I think, is maybe the most iconic. By the way, not a bad name for a coffee. They could have honestly paid for this movie with the amount of product placement they do within this movie. Great shot, Gordo, most cinematic shot. What do you have for Sierra?

Truman going through the revolving door, like with the kind of realization that something is changing. or the last shot of the movie of him walking into the black black doorway. I like, when they finally stop the storm and they go the over the boat shot

and he's like this and you don't know if he's dead or not and then I don't know, I just thought that looked cool with the sun come up. I loved Ed Harris touching his face on the screen. I thought that was a very like a moment where you started seeing this like father, this like really messed up father's son thing happening where it's like he's obsessed with his creation.

I was like, That was a moment that's like a very cool visual moment that like kind of sums up the whole dynamic. Chess Rockwell, Brocklander's a word for best character name. Christoph's really good. It's such a douchey. Obviously this guy would devote his life to tormenting Truman. His name's Christoph.

He's no last name. It's the backwards beret too with the glasses. He goes full douche on us. Truman Burbank is pretty good. Truman Burbank. I mean, Christoph, by the way, it's the whole thing that they talked about is like, Christ

Christoph that he's playing God. And it's the voice of God. And he's like a one-name guy, you know, Truman, Truman. You know, like, again, there was like a lot of intention and all that. But I think Truman Burbank kind of like, I don't know. I could have a second draft. Yeah.

Truman Burbank sounds like the left tackle and the Jaguress. CR, you have a flex category. So this is a category that's not normally in the rundown, but CR has Carpunch to pick any category. So I am choosing in honor of Heat. It's a book about medals award for belatedly best quote or exchange. The one that sticks with me the most because it gets overridden by Truman redoing good afternoon, good evening. And if I don't see a good night or whatever, I love when he's like, you never had a camera in my head.

The way he says that and like the idea that there has to be a limit to like surveillance or like the way that how much you can know somebody. And I thought that was like such an incredible like grace. to go out of them. So I always like that one. My favorite was the two security guys where you see them like, you know, they're about to, you know, the husband and wife are about to get intimate

and you basically cut to the security guards. It's like, you know, they never show it. You know, he's like, you just cut to the curtain, they blow a little bit. He's like, they never show it. It's my favorite way to like get plot out. Like, like to literally go like, hey, just like you're like, what are they showing?

What are they not showing? But it is also one of my favorite, my favorite, I'm like, I want to live with these guys. Yeah, the parking line send the guys. Brilliant line delivery, too. I have a bonus category. The Ed Norton reversed dunk award for, did this movie need a random sports scene? Like, could there have been a double-a baseball situation going on here? That's a really good question is, does Truman get Yankee scores or something?

Or did they create, like, a fake baseball league for him to follow? Was there a whole sports staff just writing fake stories about players that didn't exist. It's actually a really fun. I mean, this is, this is where the first AD comes in. That's a whole props department conversation. They're making a full newspaper every day. So what's in the news newspaper? So is there a sports section? Yeah. Well, their newspaper seems to be just to cover up their own plot holes. Right. Their newspaper seems to be very reactive to Yes. To things falling out of the sky. Right. Airplane disasters. But I always thought about that in terms of obviously they're trying to mimic the real world. So they're trying to not like create a new

reality. So people that are watching the show obviously want to see like their reality reflected in a weird way. But also the more you do that, the more you're sort of looking to the outside world, it creates like a sense of longing that there's something outside to see heaven that I thought was like an interesting. Yeah. Maybe lacrosse go to work. Sure. They got the helmets. You never would know who the players are. That's true. That would be funny if he comes out of the studio and he's like, so, like what's going on in the world of lacrosse? The writers are just like scurrying. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for Weeklink of the film.

What'd you have for this, Glenn? I know a lot of people are probably going to... I bet you somebody's going to say Marlin. I didn't have Marlin. You don't have Marlon on there. No. I think it could... So tell me why.

I actually don't... I actually don't think Marlin's the weak link of the movie. I find that I find the dad storyline, I think I could have been better. In my personal opinion, I think he's sort of like, we could have cast the net a little bit wider. In the research, they said there were extra Marlin scenes

that made him like just a little deeper of a character. Like more nefarious or like... No, like he tries to actually help Truman at one point. Oh, really? I could totally see that. The reality is it's a very one-dimensional character. Like, I like the idea that they built this entire backstory

that he's known him since seven. But the thing that I kept being, like, really interested in is, like, how did that seven-year-old get cast? Yeah. What does his life look like? Right. What is the things that he's been living with? Like, how is this affecting?

You know what I mean? That's what I'm saying. I'm like, he's a child actor, too. He's sort of in this different experience. Like, he signed up at seven. Yeah. I was, like, really interested in what that, when your best friend in the whole world is going through this crisis, like, what it actually looks like?

I was like, that's cool to. Prequel? Oh, that's a, you know what? I'm kind of surprised that. Well, we'll get to that. What do you have for a weak link? I don't have a weakest link, really. I think that I hear you about the dad.

You know, it's like, I wonder whether or not, like, if that had been like Dennis Hopper. Yeah. Does that hit harder? Like a hair. Yeah. It's been more emotional. I feel like that storyline.

Because I feel like that storyline inherently is a one that opens up a whole can of worms plot-wise. Like, how did he sneak back onto the studio? What's the conversation of getting him back on? if he's already having second thoughts about this, like, that's a whole other thing. But I go, if you had somebody that was like really, like someone that already had all this, like, empathetic or, you know, empathetic nature, we had a history, like a Hanks or like a hopper, somebody that we've trusted before, I think you engaged with that role differently. I had, I don't know what was fun about watching this TV show for 24 hours a day. I think I would have, I would have quickly.

The curtains blowing when. I just think at some point, I'm like, all right, let me guess. He's going to wake up, say out of the neighbors, drive to work. I think I'm good. They present it like there have been moments on the show that are as big as the Princess Diana, Prince Charles wedding. Yeah, yeah. And that, like, people are doing, like, live-aid-sized crowds to watch Truman get married. And I get it because, like, that's the obvious nod that they're making.

But it is sort of, like, what are you doing on Wednesday at 9.30 p.m. when Truman's, like, cutting his nails. Are you at the Truman bar? be like, man, treating. Truton at that what's age

the worst? I'll say this. The CGI to pull off the Princess Diana wedding shots to establish the outside world. Yeah.

I personally think that the what's age of the worst is like number one the CGI of the actual bubble. Right? That I was like, okay, we could have designed. Yeah,

you could almost like redo that for the criterion release or something. Yeah, we could have just spent a little bit more time on this thing because it's kind of like one of the wish fulfillment things of the whole movie. But I just think the cutbacks to the real world,

I would have wanted to see a little bit more ripple effects of the real world interacting. That was mine. What's the like, I honestly, even in, even in 1998, like, it would have been cool if they got a little bit more into the ethical and legal entanglements that this thing would have inevitably, I guess it is cool that it's like this is just such a runaway hit that even these few naysayers who try to disrupt it,

they just become part of it almost. And like when he's talking to Lauren during the interview and he's like, no, no, no, I love reconnecting with cast members even though she's saying that he's a liar and like evil. But I do think it would have been cool. Like what's like the, what does like the Supreme Court think about

like a child being born to a corporation? Lauren would have been, we should have had her in what age the best as somebody who's now devoted their life to like now. I'm going to be so much easier to be like, totally. Come to my website. Here's my Truman podcast.

And you'd have nine things. There is something really fun about also the fact that like, that was one of the things where I'm like, the fact that you took a kid, raised him in this bubble, lied to him in this whole thing. I'm like, there would be a lot of people trying to break into this. Yes. This place. You know what I mean? That's why I was like when the dad like snuck back in. There would be like presidents running on it and I will shut down the Truman show day one.

Yeah. What's age the worst? They filmed all the scenes of Trumman. Truman's house at a residence in Florida that was Matt Gates's childhood home. Oh. I did hear this. I did not know that. So at TV, I just like McConaughey.

That was just a tough beat for him to follow this movie with a similar premise. It's where the age and could have maybe been like, no, no, no. Carrie, Peter Weir thing. It's always happened over the course of time. It's like you release like White House down and then you release like Olympus is falling. Two Steve Prefontein movies. The Prefontein is the best. one ever.

The two two in a row and then one was awesome. Yeah. But without limits. My last one stage is worse. So, Merrill,

Laura Lenny's character. So professional escort? Well. Like an actor who has a fake marriage with somebody that she's clearly

having sex with? Yeah. And this is, what's her next job after this? Yeah, because at 34, and presumably she might have had a child with Truman

by this point, but if they're like, look, at 35, you can, we can just get you divorced and you can move out of Sea Haven or whatever. We're going to drown you in the sea. What are the late 30s looking like for her after that?

Yeah, you know, the Truman Show got a little bit. What does the next job look like after the Truman show? I know. I haven't text on camera. It was a little weird. I never understood that. She thinks her career is going to look a little different after the Truman show. I'm going to be in like out of Africa, right?

Rough Lohan and Rubenick Partridge Overacting Award. Did you have one? Phil Baker Hall makes the most out of... I mean, he's still always amazing. He's chewing up scene. But he's just like, the network! I'm the president of the network. Yeah, I added it too.

That's a good one. All right. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison for a hottest take award. Did you bring a hottest take? I'll tell you my hottest take. I love Jim Carrey in this movie.

My hot take is I do think this movie could have potentially been really good with Tom Hanks. Wow. That's good. You got to go for the head there. That's great. So talk us through it.

You almost said Tom Cruise or you said that Tom as a Cruz? No, no. With Cruz, it turns into the, you know, Minority Report. You know, it's like what you don't want to do is you don't want it to feel like a paranoid thriller. The reason Jim Carrey is so good in this movie is it takes, it brushes all that away. It's a guy who's grown up in a, you know, a very manicured existence. I will say that for me, Hank's represents.

the every man that you sort of root for. Like he sort of feels like a guy, like some of these moments would just be a little more subtle. I don't know if they'd be as much fun to watch, but I would engage with the movie, I think, with the Tom Hanks in a different way because he doesn't feel like an every man. Like, again, we talk about it only get so many buy-ins of the movie.

I feel like the buy-in is that now you have a normal guy who's realizing that he's not normal. Jim Carrey is so over-the-top as a person. Obviously, his existence has been, manicured so you could justify that. But I find that Hanks would represent a little bit more of an every man who's realizing that he represents something to a world and that debate of do I leave this existence or stay here? I think it would just be a different movie, but I would love to see what that movie looks like.

Cruise, definitely, they had a running scene over the bridge. Yes. The sailboat scene at the end would just be so dumb. He's definitely hanging from the sailboat. No, he's hanging from the moon, man. He's filming his own sailboat scene. He said,

no, no, this has to be an actual sailboat accident. This is going to be the actual moon. Yeah. I want you to hit me with real ways.

What do you have for out of stake? Kind of similar to what Glenn said. I would have, the first director attached this movie was Brian De Palma.

Oh. And I would like to see the sex-crazed, paranoid. Truman's cutting up magazine pictures of women and trying to recreate Lauren. Like we get maybe

Melanie Griffith playing Merrill. You know, there's a lot more like, I think of the sort of debased psychology of this character. They definitely have sex on the beach. Yeah. I mean, it could have come out that way. And I just think that would have been amazing. All right.

Mine's a little complex. I think 1998 is in the running for the greatest checking all the boxes movie year we've ever had. Okay. So I'm going to give you all these different categories that I created five minutes ago. All these different types of movies that can come out in any. a year. Yeah. Drama, saving

private rewind. Provocative drama, American History X. Foreign, life is beautiful. Beloved movie nerd movie, out of sight. Guys movie, Rounders.

Great comedy. There's something about Mary. Cult comedy, Big Lobowski. Goofy comedy, wedding singer. Conspiracy, enemy of the state. Political primary colors.

War, thin red line. Sports movie, he got game. Horror, Halloween H-2-O. Action. Armageddon. Well done. for me and CR action, Ronan. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, CR. Sci-fi, Truman Show. Sci-fi horror, Blade. Romcom, you've got mail. Black rom-com. Stella got a groove back. Corny drama, Patch Adams.

High school Can't Hardly Wait. Fucked Up indie movie. You're friends and neighbors. You seen that one? No. It's a fucked up indie movie. TV turned movie X-Files, animated a bug's life, and kids' parent trap.

That's a damn good movie year. If you use all that, like, think about how many categories I just listed. And we have an awesome one for each one. let's get let's go back it's 98 yeah let's let's make this happen again in 26 it would be amazing if fantasy had been here and he was like actually it's 1934 and like tuckie barnum's like you know but i just i felt like we had so much more variety i know tvs ruined some of this some of the stuff goes scripted like if you did chad powers yeah in 98 it just would have been a 90 minute sports movie well i think one of the things that we talked about is is potentially doing it

as a movie, but what you start to realize is in the way that I conceptualize it is I was like, do I want to see the Breaking Bad movie before the Breaking Bad show? You want to watch Walter White incrementally make decisions that change. You know, you want to be with him on every single one of those things. It doesn't have as much satisfaction if you...

But in 98, you don't have that choice. They're like... No, you have 100 minutes max. Yeah. And it's $14 million and you can have two stars. Yeah. Go. It's also like this is...

You go back to those years and you look at like the calendar of releases. You were at the movies once a week, if not two or three. You know what I mean? That'll come back. This was an awesome movie year, and it feels like,

yeah, feels like we're climbing back. I also feel like when, you know, people always think that like TikTok or Instagram, like, you know, siphon, you know,

eyeballs away from movies. I also feel like it also connects us into those cultural moments that really resonate. Like I feel like, those things say like, hey, this thing's awesome.

I just think you can't. There's like this error that I feel like people just accepted that people, to the movies. There's like the 98 where you're like, all those movies are killer movies.

Yeah. And now that there was like a thing we're like, oh, we just, we just accepted that people go to the movies. And there wasn't as much like artistry or intention behind it. And I think we're coming back to where it's like, the only way you open a movie is when it's really damn good.

Yeah. Right. The word of mouth is crazy. Plugging Running Man, November 14th. Oh, we're getting. Yeah. It's happened. But that's the only way you actually get to people to go to the movies. Because like ahead of time, like two, three weeks ahead of time,

you know if it's a stinker or not. You might with Running Man, you might just have. to be like, got to see it in the IMAX. That just seems to work now. Like, rewatchable's episode of Glenn Powell, you got to see them in the IMAC. Yeah, but you know what?

It's totally different. The second time I saw one battle, I just saw it like, you know, in a relatively half full, like regular AMC theater. And I was like, this is still awesome. Yeah. You know, it's like you don't always have to like go to the greatest possible experience. I will say when we went shooting, like,

it always bums me out when people tell me like they saw Top Gun on an airplane. I'm like, bro, you just missed out on the whole. whole like I'm off there you know, there was puking and passing out in jets and like, you know, we shoot it all in IMAX. You invented cameras for things. It was like so much. And I'm like, to experience that movie

in IMAX was such a blast. Like even it's like watching. Dudes were saluting the screen in one of the years. Right. We're like. That was like the first welcome back to movies. Yeah, yeah. In a while.

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Casting what ifs. Carey's price tag was 20 million a movie at the time. 10 less than Glenn. But he took 12. So a little discount. And he said it was the fastest he'd ever accepted a roll. there's some stuff about they talked to Sam Jackson about I don't know my shit detector weren't off I didn't believe it

Gary Oldman was the other one mentioned Gary when they did screen tests for yeah but I don't think they actually offered it to them yeah it's a Kerry fallback Dennis Hopper was supposed to be Christoph and was Christoph and filmed two days of scenes and then they talked to Ed Harris about this I shot a movie with Ed Harris and he said he got cast like a couple days before he shot this that's crazy yeah so Hopper said he got fired after two days

because we're and Scott Rood and the producer didn't like him. Hopper leaves. They try to get Jack Nicholson. Nicholson's buddies with Hopper's like, I can't do that. So they end up with that Harris. And Brian De Palma turned it down, as CR mentioned, which is a different movie to say the least.

Terry Gilliam and Barry Sondafeld were also circling it. Interesting. Yeah, Terry Gilliam would have made a very interesting film out of this. Best that guy award. It can't go to Giumati because he, he's now Paul Giamani. But the Asian guy from Karate Kid 2. The bad guy.

Of course I was. Wait. Yeah. The guy Danielson fights in the end. The evil guy. What you meant? Snyder? Oh, the big guy.

Yeah. You're talking to the big guy. No, the guy, Danielson, Karate Kid 2. Wait, he's in this movie? Yeah. Yeah. They show that. Japanese family.

Japanese family. Yeah. That's him. You're kidding. Yeah. I totally missed that. He regrouped after Danielson kicked his ass. It got really into.

a true show. Deanne Waiter's Award. Are we giving this to Natasha? No, this goes to Giamatti. Giamatti's in like four scenes. He is ridiculous in this movie. Like, this is a nothing, nothing burger part. Yeah, it really is.

And when he's just like, he doesn't even care if he drowns. I'm like, oh my God, man. It's a very grounded. Yeah. It's a very grounded performance for knowing that he probably shot two days on a soundstage. You agree with Giamatti? No, you know what I, you know what a role is the, the woman who's next to Giamani Oh, yes.

I find what's really, really funny about that performance. Chloe, I think her name is. Chloe. They shoot her. I wonder what happened in the edit, because they shoot her like she's a super important character in several of the most pivotal moments. But she never says that. But she never says anything.

Like, you know what I mean? So I was like, something happened, I think... They just cut her part out. Maybe she did. You're weird. You know, it's like something of like a bad fallout in post or something. I don't know what happened, but there's just like,

I'll show her. Do you ever see like in movies sometimes? where all of a sudden you see like somebody like that's framed up important. Like they have a really good, it's like deep focus, like perfect line. And you're like that is, that character comes in. Did that ever happen to you like on your coming up days? I've been cut out of stuff before. But I always just notice it in movies where I'm like, oh, that thing is framed importantly.

And she was framed. Yeah. And all the climactic moments she's at, yeah. Recasting couch director or city. As Marlin, can I test drive Sam Jackson for you guys? It's interesting. Just drive away. Why?

I don't know. Volatile, you know? A little more of it. Maybe I just wanted a little extra from Marlon, and I'm not sure what I wanted, but some sort of whose side of Ziana, I just felt like there was more there. There's more meat on that bone. Yeah. I don't know who the actor, but that was one at all. Yeah.

Maybe he could have been the cross-the-street neighbors that Truman's always greeting. Good morning, motherfucker. Put it off. See, David is so intense. Craig, you have a flex category. Yeah, so you know how we have the Vince and Chase Award for, are we sure this character is actually good at his job? I want to nominate the opposite award.

And now we're calling it the Christoph Truman Show Award for the character who is unbelievably good at their job. Yeah. Truman, I mean, Christoph threw a perfect game for 35 years. Fucking Jerry Brockheimer. I mean, pretty much just him in this room sniffed out the fact that Truman was faking sleep he's feeding lines to everybody live?

Like, the guy is cooking at the highest level. Yeah, 24 hours a day. 24 hours a day. It's just him. He's like the best instincts ever. Another thing, that if we're talking about, they were talking about the GDP of this economy, that booth had to be bigger than that.

I know. They really, they got the studio called and cut the budget last minute on a few. On a few. So the implication, though, is that they have put a dome over Burbank, California, basically, right? Yeah. They show the continental United States. It is huge. Are we doing this?

Yeah, I mean, this was obviously the biggest nitpick. How fucking big was this place? How did they have all the water? How did they have all the electricity? How did nothing ever go wrong? That's one of my... Even like the Staples Center has had four accidents. You know, in 20 years.

Like the sphere on the steroids. It's basically like Disney World or something. Yeah. Yeah. Well, also, one of my nitpicks was that I was like, are lights falling from the sky, are isolated? thunderstorms happening are the frequency things happening is why is this happening now?

Right. That I could have just used a little external pressure to understand why things are going wrong now. Because you're right. Kristoff is throwing a perfect game. I mean, my God, 35 years he's been doing this. Really, the radio frequency, if that doesn't happen, maybe they're still making it. Yeah. Yeah.

Half-Fast Center Research just quickly. This was filmed in Seaside, Florida, which is a master plan community. the floor to pan handle. I have no idea what that means. What is master planned? Oh, it's like a planned community. Manufactured homes. Disney was going to do that stuff

where it was like you would have like these towns that were like... They do. Disney has one in Palm Springs. Very manicured. Like nobody's building their own house. It's like, here's the floor planner. Look cool. Disney has one called Cotino in Palm Springs right now.

Is this what they were doing in Succession and the, this was Kendall Roy's thing? Yes. The living with the old people could have media. People coming to visit them. Laura Linney studied Sears catalogs from the 50s to develop her poses.

I thought that was interesting. Greta Gerwig consulted Weir for Barbie because she wanted to create that world, which made total sense when I saw that. Before the boat stops, we see the number 139 on its sale, which is, I guess, for some Psalm 139,

some stuff in there. And then Carrie improvised a bunch of stuff, including the True Mania bit when he was drawn on. the mirror. Last thing, there's this thing called Truman Syndrome, you're aware of this?

That started in the 2000s with people who have some version of schizophrenia where they believe their lives are reality television shows. And the writer said, Andrew Nichols said, you know you made it when you have a disease named after you. These people who are constantly think they're being filmed.

I have two more. One is another nickel thing, which is the original script is set in Manhattan. It's an alternative Manhattan. And it was much darker. There was an innocent passenger attack on a subway that was supposed to test Truman's courage, which is a little Truman Show death wish, kind of like that. And Truman had a platonic relationship with a prostitute who he dressed as Sylvia.

That would have been the De Palma part. Wow. That sounds amazing. And then Peter Weir, when this movie was, like, I think after the movie came out, he said he had a crazy idea at one time, which was impossible technically. I would have loved to have had a video camera installed in every theater the film was being seen in. At one point, the projectionist would cut the power

and it would cut to the viewers in the cinema watching the movie. But I thought it would be best to leave that idea untested. Yeah, that's one of those great idea I can't actually have that. Yeah. That's a bit much. We get podcast pitched to us like that.

Well, what if we're hanging outside of like an NBA game And we're in the next to the Jumbotron. Doing a live broadcast of it. It's like, sounds good. Apex Mountain. Jim Carrey, I'm going to say yes. Yeah. This is Apex Mountain for Jim Carrey?

I think this is right in the middle of this crazy run that he had. 1998, he's got, he's had all the success. This is his first drama. Yeah. It's well received. Liar, Lars, around there. I think he's like the most powerful actor in Hollywood. Other than maybe Hanks and Cruz.

And Cruz, but Cruz is doing eyes watch. This is also a movie where you're like, well, you can do anything. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're actually right. Yeah. Because this is like, yeah, you're right. This is the end. This is like not the end of the run,

but it is the third act of that crazy seven-year run that you're talking about. Yeah, I think it is. Laura Lenny, not yet. Ed Harris. What is Laura Linney's Apex Mountain just out of curiosity? I mean, she's had a bunch of them. Probably somewhere in the early 2000s, though, right? When she does, you can count on me,

and she just becomes one of the most respected actresses. Is that when Primal Fear? Primal Fear is right around here. Yeah. Yeah, it's somewhere in here. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Ed Harris, I don't know, probably early 90s. This is like when he's doing action movies and stuff like that. He's in a couple of Michael Beck. Paul 13 is. Yeah. It's right around here, yeah. Hidden camera movies, yes. Death set C.

I still think ordinary peoples. Well, you made that category up. Yeah. You get to weird it out. I thought you'd be with me. You're like, what's going on here? I'm with you. But it's just one of those things where it's like, I have no idea.

I don't know what opinion quite yet. I got to think about it. these things. Peter Weir, Dead Poets? Yes. You think this is over Dead Poets? You know the thing about,

I think this is a way more complex, I think the vision of this movie is way more complex than Dead Poets. I think even just the way, the camera angles of like, where you hide things, how you build this thing. It's much more of a world building thing.

I think this is a very tough movie to direct. Moko Coco Coffee, definitely. Yeah. Noah Emmerich, probably still beautiful girls. It's a big, scenes. He learned the guys.

He learned the guys that the MacDown characters get the shit kicked out of him. I don't know. Reality TV warning movies. Definitely. That's all I had for Apex Mountain. Cruiser, Hanks, we said Hanks. Scorseseer, or Spielberg, Spielberg.

Yeah. What role would Philip C. Moroffin have played clearly of Truman's buddy? That Marlin. He would have easily. I think he was probably too young in 98. Yeah. That's a great casting, though.

That's... He could have played the Peter Krause role. like the guy who works in the insurance agency with him. What if it was Marlin, but he played it exactly like Freddie and Talts Mr. Ripley. Hey, Truman. Hey, Truman. How's the peepin?

Picking Nitz. So, I'm not even talking 98. When Truman's a kid, were the cameras and Wi-Fi really this good? No. Like in, like, in, like, 1981, we were able to do this? Hardwires. Yeah, everything's hardwired.

You're right. I was carrying in high school in the late 80s carrying around like, you know, this giant video camera that would like sink your shoulder after 10 minutes. They shot 28 days later on like DV cameras that were really small. Like I don't know when that comes out like 2001. And that you can barely watch that movie now because of like the film quality. Yeah.

So I don't think Truman's show realistically would have looked like this. Obviously, yeah. We mentioned how did you pay all the actors and extras and was this just their job forever? And what was in it for them? If you really want to be, Would you want to be an actor in this for 10 years? I mean, it depends. It depends where.

Like, you don't mind one of my favorite scenes is, is when he gets on the bus and the guy, like, pretends to, like, to fall out the car and whatever. It reminded me, like, it felt like we were in the far corners of the universe where, like, he wasn't expecting this to happen. All the, all the background on the bus, like, just kind of get up and, like, move. Like, nobody's, like, has, like, their own life. They're like, oh, this, nobody thought the C team was really going to make it on screen.

Yeah. I did sort of like that world creation. It felt intentional that nobody felt real. It brings up a really good thing, though, because on the bus, the little girl breaks. Yes. And is looking at him and is like, is that him? How would you get kids to behave themselves on the show?

You know what I mean? Like, how would you get a bunch of children to not be like, I watch your TV show. Yeah, exactly. You wouldn't. But that's why this movie, we forgot to mention this to what stage is best, Craig, hour 41. I would argue, and this is one of the rare cases

where I could have taken 10 more minutes at this movie. Craig's very passionate, and no movie should be more than 100 minutes unless there's an incredible reason. Two hours occasionally. Two hours, maybe. There was some moments. I just, you know, I love a quick movie.

But the woman they introduced to, like, be his new love interest, that's not an export at all. You probably could have taken a scene of that. I could have seen him unraveling a little bit more, trying to figure things out a little bit more. I don't know. I could have taken 10 more minutes.

Hour 43 is tight. We've done rewatchables where Craig just looks the movie up and it's like 89 minutes, and he's like, Yes, sir. We know we were doing right back. All the 80s movies, man. Any more picket nits for you?

You know, I mean, just the idea that Christoph, like, goes full Old Testament on him at the end, and no one is, like, sort of stopping. Like, I thought that was, like, an opportunity to really world build, show the chaos of a man who's, like, desperate to keep this, his creation alive. Yeah. I thought it felt too calm up in the movie. Well, it's also just like, what's the plan if he's like, oh, okay, I'll stay. And Christoph now has a TV show that costs like $500 million a year.

Yeah, the amount of money. Also, like, he's not the only one invested. Like, there's clearly a giant machine invested in him not getting out of this thing. I just thought, I thought there was interesting ways to explore that. So one picketing date I had, so he was just going to kill Truman? What happens if Truman died in the boat? I think he was trying to, okay, so I think that's left to. Pretty risky.

To the audience to decide. But I was interpreting it as he was trying to traumatize this guy so much in the water. that he turns around and goes back and never tries to leave again. And that they can sort of like, now we can try to fix this, but I don't know if he was ever going to murder him. Although he does say he was born on camera, he'll die on camera, kind of, right? I mean, it's like, I created you. Yeah.

You know, like, that's what feels very Old Testament, where it's like, I created you, I can take you, I brought you in, everything that you've experienced, that's any sort of value I have been a part of. I thought it was a very, I think it's a very, very, that was one of my favorite parts is the conversation that happens to the moon, like, right before he leaves. It's such a...

You can speak, Truman, I can hear you. Yeah, so good. Speaking of that, my one picking it, it's basically the reverse of the overacting award. If I have lived my entire life and found out that it's been a television show and then I sail a boat across the sea

and it runs into like a piece of drywall, I'm freaking out. Like, I'm losing my mind. It's like Jack Waltz with the horse head. I'm like, I'm like, ah! There's no like, oh, weird. I'm going to be able to try to find a door.

I am losing my mind. That's a great point. Truman jerking off, having sex, all that stuff. Like, I know they just went to commercial or whatever they did. Well, they never cut to commercial. Taking a dump. There's a lot of stuff that, if you don't know you're being filmed, all the time. Maybe it wouldn't have been great for Truman.

I don't know. Also, never showing a second shift in the moon. That's right. Same cast of six characters in the moon, 24 hours a day for 30, five seasons. Yeah. It's a tough gig. Sequel, Prequel, Prestige TV,

all black cast are untouchable. You talked to me in a prequel. Nope. Them as kids. Prestige TV, maybe, but I think this is an untouchable. I think Prestige TV would have been an interesting approach. I pitch you on a sequel? Yeah.

So he has a kid with Laura Linney. He impregnates her, and then while she's pregnant, or maybe even before he knows she's pregnant, he escapes. The new baby is born into the new world. New Truman. And it's now the new young Truman and it's now him trying to infiltrate to get back in to get his son out. Solid. That's a solid movie, dude. I'm into that.

I'm into that. Glenn just signed on. Bro. Are we doing this? He's dropped from 20 to 12. Sorry, I just got to drop out of Miami Vice Roe of him kid. Is this movie better with Wayne Jackets, Danny Treo, Mad Dog Russo, Dorisburg, Buffalo Bill, Sam Jackson, Nell. That would have been interesting in this community.

Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth. Do you know who Nell is, Glenn? Because I still don't. Do you know who... The Jody Foster character, Nell? Do you know what that means? Because I don't. In what movie?

Jody Foster made a movie called Nell where she lived in the woods and talked her own language. And I think she got nominated for an Oscar. Yeah. And it's now a comedy. I've never seen this movie. She just like does that. And it's like her and Liam Neeson. And Liam Neeson. And Liam Nees is like, I will help you learn

English. No. You know what I kind of... It's really something. What of my kind of fans? We have a production office on the Universal lot. And one of my fantasies is to create fake movie posters with some of my like actor buddies and just see

if people lie like they've like actually seen some of the movies. You know what I mean? Like Nell would definitely be like that. You know, I mean? Like, she's in the woods. She's doing the thing. He was like, you fucking wouldn't. It's really bad. We'll send you the trailer. We didn't actually do it.

Do you want to do Collinsworth? No, were you going to do? I'll do, I'll do say, this is what would have happened if Wayne Jenkins. Did you ever watch We Own the City with John Bernthal? This isn't going to hit his hard then. He got to do it. He was a crazy Baltimore cop.

If Bernthal was playing the Peter Krauss part. God damn, Truman. I didn't know what I was working with the BTK killer. You better start God. You better stop cutting pictures of ladies up from those fashion magazines or they're going to be making a Ryan Murphy limited series about you. Now, get him the fuck out of here. So he plays a Baltimore cop in this show.

Yes. Where he basically does that speech. Could you add that to my development slate as well? Sure. Thank you. Ryan Murphy, definitely. That was great. I did find that not in one moment that movie,

did the cut-up magazines look like a human face. Yes. I could have used it. If he spent all this time every day, I could have used, like... It was a really good... Really disturbing. ...vehicle to show, like, how fucked in the head he was getting from this whole experience.

Do you think, though, there is, like, first take for the Truman show? Like, there's sports talk shows all day where it's like, Truman needs to step up. He has not gotten promoted at Sea Haven Insurance for a long time. And we're starting to wonder if he's still got it. Can I tell you that is, like, where I was like... If you... That's where, like, for me, like, the real world stuff, when we cut to the guy in the bathtub or the ball right,

I was like, oh, we could have gotten so much more world building in such a smaller sense. Like, the people that, like, have talk shows that are literally built around this guy, like analyzing what's happening. Like, what was that guy's name Mike Michelson? Yeah. Who was like the post-game host, Harry Sherers guy? Yeah. But, like, why can't we have Jim Rome come on for a second there?

And just be like, you're in the jungle. We're talking truth today. Just one Oscar who gets it? I have weir. I think. I actually think there was the best case for him. I thought this movie was so well-crafted. Over Spielberg for Saving Private Ryan?

No, but if only one got it, I think he is the best case. I agree. I thought the way it's filmed, it was really ahead of its time. It feels like a 2015 movie almost. That was 1998. Andrew Nicol, only just because I just think this is one of the great original screenplays of that decade. And it just seems like so cool that he went from this is like a dark thriller set in New York City to I can just rewrite this over and over and over again until we get it

to where it is. Now, I know there's a lot of improv and probably other stuff going on, but still. Did Andrew Nickle write this drafts, the Seahven draft or he draft New York draft? He said he wrote like 12 versions of this. Wow. Unanswerable questions. Was Christoph evil, I think, is a good one? Yeah. Was he actually

like an evil guy? Leaning toward yes, but he might have just been deranged? I don't really know the answer. Because he becomes kind of evil as this movie goes along. You also, I I always love how people justify their ways in the world. Like, like, with all great villains, like, they don't look at themselves.

You can, like, pop into those moments and go, like, oh, wow, this guy's, like, what he did. But, like, he's sort of, like, looking at himself as a father figure. He's, like, the way he's justifying his place, he's protecting him from the evil outside. Like, he's, like, almost nurturing this guy that he truly loves. Like, that's his mentality. That's why it's, like, he don't, I mean, I think you could definitely get into the politics. of kidnapping a child and raising him in a bubble. But I think for him, I think that's one of the great performances.

I love how committed Ed Harris is to the... You know what I didn't notice until this most recent watch is Harry Shearer, when he's interviewing Christoph, goes, and I know you really guard your privacy. Can you imagine the irony of this guy being a guarded person? But he's like, this guy has to be on camera all the time. It makes it that much more, like, profound what he's doing. I think for an answer, well, you get to move in the Zawatneo,

word for what happened the next day. What were Truman's next 24 hours like, great to be. California Pints of Kitchen. He's like, oh my God. In Burbank. It's going on out here. Yeah. So he's in, we figure he's in. The TMZ bus. Yeah, exactly. We think he's in California. He's in Burbank. He's in Burbank. He's in Burbank. Yeah. Right? Fosters freeze immediately. So he's just kind of wandering down Hollywood Boulevard, just doing this. Just like a lot of guys on Hollywood Boulevard. Yeah. I think they say it's Burbank. I think it's more Van Nuys. I think it probably bleeds a little bit at a Burbank just to get the... he walks down

Hollywood and he's like, I'll go back in the dome. Yeah, so I don't know where he goes. I met Spider-Man. This is a lot. Christopher and Batman. What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie?

I'm going Christoph Barret. Really good. Really good. I guess I would take the dice or peeler greater that Lindy had. That's a good one. I was thinking his ring,

but actually what I would want is the original poster that the guy made. Oh, yeah. First edition. Here's the prototype of the poster we're going to use, I think would be a good one. Oh, that's cool. Coach Finstock wore a best life lesson. What else is on?

Yeah. Or just, it was like, yeah, we spent 35 years with this guy. Hey, change channel. Cool. Yeah. Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get me. Right. Best double feature choice.

The Matrix? Oh, that's interesting. I would go Gattaca, under scene other Andrew Nicol. He directed that one. Pretty cool.

I'd go to the game. The game. Yes, good call. Glenn's like, I'll go the running man. The running. November 14th. Honestly, guys,

great double feature. I'm just saying. Who won the movie? I think Carrie. Is there Peter Weir case? I think it is Carrie, but I think the Peter Weir, like, he needed this one.

Master and Commander is like the next one after this, I believe. Yeah, so I don't think that means you won it necessarily. I think, I think, I think Kerry went. It's Carrie. Craig, what do you got? Craig, had you seen this movie? Yeah, many times.

Okay. This is one of those movies that, I don't know when is the first time I watched it, but just kind of always felt like one of the first few movies my dad showed me when I was growing up. It's like, oh, you got to see the Sandlight, you got to see Diehard, you got to see Truman Show. It's just like always been in the Lexicon, I feel like the Trubit Show. So, yeah, I haven't seen it in a while, though. It's just one of the all-time concepts.

Like the first five minutes of the film, there's no way you're turning it off. It's incredibly rewatchable. And it's only getting aging better and better. It's so prophetic. People do, like there are YouTubers now or influencers like Emma Chamberlain, who's at Spotify or like Kai Senate.

Those people will literally stream their lives 24-7. Like Emma Chamberlain and Kai Senate will film themselves sleeping every night. Jeez. So, I mean, we're kind of living in that reality where people are willing to do this, which is pretty crazy. The closest thing I ever get to that is, like,

there's a guy who has a YouTube channel, but he edits these, but it's like, he goes camping with his dog and he, cooks like these really gourmet meals. I believe he recently, he shut down.

He stopped doing it. Did he? Yes, but I know exactly here talking about it. But it was like, oh, like this is really relaxing to watch this guy,

like set up his campsite, make a, like, a T-bone with like a bunch of sides. His dog's kind of hanging out. And I was like, this is beautiful. But like,

they're like 30 minutes. They're not like 24 hours. or something like that. I think there's always like, from the beginning of like entertainment, I think like people crave truth and crave reality. The irony is like on this one it's like all manicured. It's all fake.

So like there's a whole commentary on like what we're being fed in terms of reality shows and what actually is real. But I do think the Kai Senate thing, the reason that people are so engaged is like that thing does not cut. Yeah. And he's doing nothing. Yeah. And people are engaging just on the idea that they're experiencing something real,

even if it's. Exactly. There's a bit of a, there's a kind of a pushback of a boomerang effect now where we've kind of been in the 21st century media world for so long and everything has been manicured. We're so aware of that and now things are turning the other way and we actually want that kind of raw material and the influencers are, they know that and they're like, yeah, I'll film myself 24-7. Like you can watch me get up in the morning and it's interesting. I wonder if part of it is like that it's just a more lonely society post-COVID. People are let people maybe aren't around each other. Paras social relationships.

Yeah, you have like this, this, oh, Kai's my guy. That's like your friend that you've never met. It's also interesting in Truman's show. Like I was thinking about, again, it's the Rack Focus movie of looking at the old women with the Truman pillow. Yeah. The guy in the bathtub, the other bar. It's like there's a sense of power that people get being like a little omniscient. Like, you know, a little like having like a place of like going, well, at least I'm, I'm more aware than this like person.

Like at least my life's not this. Like or whatever it is. Like the fact that they're not partaking in life, they're glued to those couches. And they're watching a guy living. of a fake reality, but it represents real reality. Like, this is the reality of the living in. I think it's a very fascinating, you know, study of how we engage with the world. Yeah.

It's the people that are technically providing us content on TikTok, you meet them in real life. They are glued to their phones. They are not participating in shit. And it's like, it's just a fascinating, you know. Yeah. I can't say anything because I watched the NFL for 14 straight hours on Sunday. Literally from 630 to 8.30? Yeah.

14 straight hours. And at one point, I went on the treadmill for 45 minutes just to feel like I was doing something. Floating in the lower house in your body. So, you know, we all have our things.

Yeah. But yeah, it is, it is, we talked about the reality TV angle, but the social media angle of this movie, I think is definitely the 2020's way it's above. So is running man, is your,

without giving too much away, is your running man set a little in the future? Or is it kind of like, how did you, where did you guys situation? Well, the original Stephen King book takes place in 2025, which is,

which is why. Is that true? Yeah. I didn't know that. The original running man book, Richard Bachman, aka Stephen King, wrote it, I believe in 82. Yeah. And it's set in 2025 where all of this stuff, like in terms of like, you know, deep fakes

and sort of where we are with reality TV and how sort of the bloodlust of the world, all that stuff is like it's all already baked into the book, which is crazy. We, the world looks, we don't really specify a date. But it's a little five minutes. in the future. Okay. Okay. And then with Edgar, like, were you somebody who was like, I'm watching Hot Fuzz, like, once a year

pretty much? Like, had you been a fan of his forever? I've been a fan of Edgar my whole life. I mean, Edgar Wright movies, for me, are some of the most well-crafted movies of any filmmaker out there. And he's played in all these different genres. And I think the thing that when you look at, like, Hot Fuzz, when you look at, you know, Baby Driver, you're like,

this is an action director. A guy that can, like, literally, even though it's a comedy, Hot Fuzz, you watch it, and you're like, you're kind of parroting you know, Michael Bay shots, you know, these sort of crazy parallax shots, these big,

big slow-mo, shoot-out things. But they're undeniably amazing action sequences. And so getting to watch Edgar on this movie, like, truly unleash and like take that weapon

and just like send it. It was just awesome. It was just awesome. You're high in this movie. I could tell. We can usually sit through those. Yeah, yeah. I'm telling you,

this movie rocks. Like, when I tell you, it rocks. Like, I got to watch it with all the theater owners the other night. And it played like,

a rock concert. They were like, they were losing their mind. It's, again, not to say like, we should watch this podcast in IMAX,

but you should also watch, yeah, you should also watch running in IMAX because it's like, it's like one of those that was like, it plays in a big screen format. That's really cool.

Would Cruz be proud? Cruz, Cruz is going to see it. I get to show it to him in a little bit. Yeah. Yeah, he's going to love it.

Honestly, do you lean on Cruz? Do you ask him advice and stuff? He's like one of those guys that's so, you know what's really great about Cruz? Is, think about his, like,

in the 90s that you're talking about. He's played in all these different genres. His skill set and his education is so singular. Yeah. There's very few people right now in this phase of my career, I can ask like a question too that I'm like, hey, you're getting blown off a bridge and they're about to like this thing up.

Like, what are you thinking about? Yeah. Like, you know what I mean? He's like, hey, I'm thinking it sounds green. You know what I mean? Like when you start talking about like certain sense, where I'm just like, hey, like running, you know, running.

whether it's running on camera or like how to sell an action movie properly to an audience, like what you're thinking about like in the general architecture, what your role within it is. Like there's very few people you can ask over the course of time that have done it at a certain level. So yeah, like you don't, I don't necessarily do it on every movie. But on this one, like this was, it was a huge resource. And are you ever like, what the hell is up at the ending of Eyes Wide Shut? We've walked through that one more time. Glenn Powell, true pleasure.

Thanks for doing. Thank you, guys. See our pleasure as always. Thank you to Craig Horlebeck. Thanks to Gahau and Ronick as well. And we'll see you next week. Good luck with the running man. Thank you.

November 14th. Yes, sir.