The Rewatchables - ‘The Wolf of Wall Street' With Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan, and Ryen Russillo

Episode Date: December 3, 2019

The Ringer's Sean Fennessey, Chris Ryan, and Ryen Russillo see a pay stub for $72,000 and quit their jobs to rewatch Martin Scorsese's box office and critical smash hit ‘The Wolf of Wall Street,' starring Leonardo DiCaprio, Jonah Hill, and Margot Robbie. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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And you know what? I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving. I'm not fucking leaving. The show goes on. This is my home. This is the rewatchables, the wolf of Wall Street. My name is Jordan Belford. I was raising a tiny apartment in Queens.

Is it your car on what? Yeah. Hey, listen, I quit. Yeah, I'm going into stock. I started my own firm out of an abandoned auto body shop. FBI! I know we're a little unorthodox. trying to make a name for ourselves. I know I heard it. You got a kind of deal.

You want me a rat. What are you going to do? Throw this all away? This is America. I love you, Jordan. I ain't going no way. The Wolf of Wall Street, rated R. Tomorrow.

Hey, this is the first time the three of these people have done a podcast together. I'm here with Ryan Rissillo and Chris Ryan. Hi, guys. What's up, man? What's up? That is right. This is the first time. What did you get a Ken Griffey?

Is it a Ken Griffey Jr. Sorry, you're distracted. That's okay. Ken Griffey, one of the greats, the Wolf of Wall Street, one of the greats. We like to start this show usually by talking about the first time that we saw it and our initial impressions of the movie. The Wolf of Wall Street obviously came with a lot of expectation. Leonardo DiCaprio reuniting with Martin Scorsese about a scumbagorce on Wall Street.

And I will say personally for me, it was allegedly. Allegedly. Everything is in quotation marks in this whole podcast. I was, uh, I probably had not been more excited for a movie than this movie, the whole up to that point. The trailer, man. The trailer like really, like, created a frenzy. Ryan, where was your head at in the run-up to the Wolf of Wall Street? I think a lot of guys, you know, that combo, Scorsese DiCaprio, and then you're like,

okay, I'm in, but then you just start thinking like, how many NBA games am I going to miss for a three plus hour movie? So I remember, I think I remember just sneaking away as a solo deal. And I couldn't wait because I remember the book, and I know it's going to sound funny, but I remember when the book first came out. I remember which bookstore I was in Brookline, Mass. I grabbed it. I read the first chapter and I hated it, which is weird because usually I love every

deviant behavior book ever. But I was kind of like, is this guy just going to talk about how awesome he is the whole time. And so I was like, I'm out. I'm not going to buy the book, which is really weird because normally I always read books like that. So it ended up once the movie was coming out, I was like, oh, man, maybe I should have read that.

But at that point, like it was too late because I couldn't wait to see the movie. There was no way I was going to finish the book in time. Sierra, did we see this movie together? I think we did at the Vista in L.A. And I remember it being like, this movie feels like a drug trip because you're in that first hour, hour and a half and you're just like,

I know that what I'm doing is bad or what I'm watching is bad, but it feels so good. It feels so good to watch this movie. This is just Scorsese being like, I don't give a shit. I'm just every single shot, every single scene is going to have some flourish,

some slow-mo overhead. We're going to overlay Howlin Wolf here. then I'm going to cut back in time, then I'm going to do this. There's going to be voiceover. They're going to break the fourth wall. And then about midway through, you start to be like, man, this is still going.

We're still doing this. And then at the end, you're just like, I feel like shit. I feel terrible. I feel hungover. I feel empty and I don't know what I'm supposed to make of all that. And that's why I'm actually surprised because this movie now has become a rewashable for me because even though it's such a physically demanding experience

the first time through in the theater, as a, it's on cable, as a, I have it in my, you know, Amazon or iTunes library and I'm just going to call it up every once in a while. As a, I just like happened to see one of the scenes on a YouTube algorithm and now I've watched five scenes about it. It's perfect. And as of like this week, rewatching it this week, I think it might be the funniest movie I've ever seen. It is an incredible farce and you don't think Scorsese and funny and you definitely don't think Leo and funny. and somehow they have a bizarre chemistry that makes it like a stand-up three-hour comedy, which is kind of incredible. I don't think I was expecting that when I first came in,

and the things that I was amazed by were not the humor. What kind of movie were you expecting having read the first chapter of that book? Well, I knew all the lead-up, like, all the debauchery and, you know, all that stuff that I remember, you know, the first time through, like, I get my hands on a Hell's Angels book, and you were like, I can't get enough. Like, I want to hear how terrible these Hollywood elites of inviting Hell's Angels. angels up to their parties because I thought it was cool and then it would like always go wrong. And I'm just like, this is, this is not. So like, I didn't want a muted version of it.

And I know we'll get into the financing of this a little bit later, but like these guys got to do whatever they wanted, as you pointed out. And it's like, look, if you want to do the book and you want to put all the stuff in, then put all the stuff in. Yeah. And yeah, it's overwhelming. And it reminds me a little bit of like some of the backlash to the Joker movie where it's, oh, well, you know, you guys are insensitive about this topic, or are you really doing the best for mental? And it's like, well, why can't someone just make a movie? Like, why can't somebody just make the movie and say, hey, this is what we want to do? This happened.

This guy's documented at all. I know there's debates on Jordan Belford and how accurate his own version of his own story is, but it seems like some of the stuff I was going back and looking at last night and this morning being like, you know, fact checking. A lot of the stuff all checks out. And they're like, yeah, that did happen, that happened, that happened. then if the audience wants it, and clearly the audience liked it enough, like I don't want to hear from the person

that felt like, hey, it's over the top, and it's too much, and I couldn't handle the drug use, and I couldn't handle it. Like, what did you go? Like, what did you want to see? There's an interesting conversation for us to have, and we'll have it later in the show, about people being concerned

about who is enjoying the movie. There is, like, an anxiety about, if this guy likes the movie, is it okay for me to like the movie? And that same thing happened with Joker. There was a lot of fear, like, oh, if incels like it, then we shouldn't like it. But this movie straddles a very, very nuanced line of portraying horrible shit, making it entertaining, as Chris is saying.

And it's fun to be with these characters, even though you know a lot of things they're doing, are not good. Let's do some data points on the movie before we get into a deeper conversation. So obviously directed by Morton Scorsese. It's written by Terrence Winter, who is a longtime soprano's writer, one of the best TV writers of the 21st Century. It stars Leo, Jonah Hill, and just amazing performance. Margot Robbie for the first time we saw her. Matthew McConaughey, Kyle Chandler, John Bernthal, Rob Reiner, John Favreau,

Joanne Lumley, plus a whole cast of that guys that we'll get into it in detail. It was shot by Rodrigo Prieto, who also shot the new Scorsese movie, The Irishman, edited, of course, by Thelma Schoonmaker, Marty's longtime editor. It was released by Paramount, though not financed,

as Ryan points out by Paramount, which is an important distinction. It was released on Christmas Day, 2013, truly a holiday for me. It had a $100 million budget. It earned $392 million, making it by far Martin Scorsese's biggest hit of his career. It was nominated for five Academy Awards.

Best Picture, Best Director, Best Adapted Screenplay, Best Actor, and Best Supporting Actor for Leo and Jonah. No wins. Rotten Tomato says 79%, which we all know is bullshit. I wanted to read something here. You can imagine that's your opinion? That kind of lukewarm, like, it's an 80%. It might just be too long for some people.

I think that that was a big, that was, that was held against it. I remember it'd be... It's funny. My wife and I rewatched a movie this week, and when we saw it together, she was like, I movie was too long. That was her first takeaway.

And I was like, ah, does that really matter? Like, why would I want less Leo and Scorsese in my life? Why would I want to pair that back? Yeah, because the parts that you would cut, and we can get into the length because I, you know, as a full viewing experience, I don't know if the runtime is aged the best.

But when you actually go through with pruning scissors, you're like, what am I cutting here? Am I going to cut the boat to Monaco? Like, what are we cutting? I wouldn't lose anything. So in naming this movie, his second favorite film of 2013, Wesley Morris, writing at Grantland at the time, wrote, It's not unfair to note that all Scorsese and Screen Nighter Turns Winter

have done is build Goodfellas around Jordan Belfort's memoir of a financial industry douchebag. But all the unhinged glorifications of Goodfellas are played here as epic farce. The film constructs circus around lawless clowns, the most flamboyant of them, played by Leonardo DiCaprio, doing his most gonzo acting ever. This is the funniest American movie of the year, and the most dangerous Scorsese has been in more than

in two decades. The Wolf isn't Belfort. It's Big Bad Marty. Chris and I did a Scorsese podcast recently, ranked our top five Scorsese movies. I'd like to know what yours are, actually. I should have pitched that to you ahead of time. But give me a few minutes as I do it in between what we're doing here.

Is he a guy for you? Is he a person who you're like, this is important to me? You know, it was great because I think when you guys brought up that podcast and launched it and, you know, Adnan Burke is a good friend of mine who's obsessed with him. And, you know, after I read the Irishman. and I can't wait to see it. And he was telling me, like, you've got to go see it immediately. And I was like, be honest.

Like with Scorsese, Chino and De Niro, like they could have been doing madlibs and in subtitles. And you would have been into it. But when some of the Scorsese stuff was coming out on the Goodfellas film where I didn't see any of these clips where it's him directing the scene outside of the pizza shop where the guy's shot and the whole thing, like, you're just watching him going. that's, like in 60 seconds, I just learned so much about you and the way you see this stuff.

And not, you know, like, whenever you're talking about this stuff, you can try to be a little pretentious about it. But, I mean, it's true. Like, there's a reason why some of these guys are so good at it. And in just a very, very short amount of time, you can just be so impressed that you're like, oh, that's how you wanted to adapt that and tell that kind of story. So, yeah, he's absolutely a guy for me, no matter what. I mean, it doesn't matter if he's going to do something. I'm going to go see it. Where does he fit in the, where does this movie fit in the Scorsese arc for you?

It's in my top five. Yeah. I mean, I put it in my top five when we did that pod. It's only grown in my estimation since it came out. It just stands up to repeat viewing not only because of what Scorsese is doing, but because it feels in some ways like his most free movie. It's so chaotic visually, but it's also really chaotic intellectually and comedically.

Like there's a lot of lines in this movie when we get to best quote. I have like, I think it's like 1,200 words copy and pasted from, from this movie now. There's so many lines that happen, like, as the camera's cutting away, and there's, like, an off-screen ad lib going on. And DiCaprio and those guys in the making of this movie, if you watch it on YouTube, there's, like, a Universal or somebody put it out, like, a making of.

And they're just like, yeah, like, we would do one take that was kind of the script, but then we would just, like, play around. And that probably is one of the reasons why it's so long is that the takes and the scenes just kind of, like, organically went on and on and on. That's the upside, too, of casting a bunch of comic. actors who know how to improvise like Jonah, who's basically made his bones on Apatown movies

where all they do is just riff for hours in front of the camera. I feel like that gives this movie a different energy. I feel like Scorsese movies are precise, and they feel designed and contained. And this movie is fucking everything. It's exploding all over the place. Now the camera is moving a lot, and you can see that there's a lot of intention

with the way that it's written, but it just hangs loose in a way that a lot of his movies just don't. You brought so many good points on the comedic part of it. because you would never say like, oh, it's this comedy, right? I mean, you would never describe it that way. But I don't know if that's the brilliance of what Terrence Winter did in this whole thing. And that, you know, a lot of times the rules, it's like, okay, if you don't do anything funny with these, these are just assholes for three and a half hours. And as simple as it sounds, it's like, you know, the audience does want to know that they're like, who am I rooting for?

Like, what do I want to have happened? And then there's always that weird thing where in the end, it's like, do you actually want to leave to get off here because you spend so much time? And you've got it. Of course you don't. You guys a piece of shit. You don't want him get away with any of this stuff, but you kind of do, though, because he's like,

to call him a hero is a mistake. But, I mean, I just always think that's the first thing. Like that first character they're introduced to, especially when somebody like Leo, who I think has a high, high approval rating, no matter what he's doing, it's like, okay, well, what am I actually doing? How to make it funny is, like, the way it actually works.

Because if it was just straight drama and like, oh, here's the crisis now, and now I'm in trouble and now I'm doing all these things, it would have probably been really boring. There's a, in that same making of that I was referring to with all the improv stuff, Favreau gives a quote where he said there's basically two kinds of stories. There's aspirational stories and there's cautionary tales. But this movie is a cautionary tale about aspiration. You know, it's essentially a movie about addiction.

It's about basically having a break from your own self when you become addicted to something. And it's like, I think that the main line of the whole movie is when Marcana, when McCona is character is like, you know, they're going to want to take their money out at 16. and be excited about because, but you don't let them do that because it's real. So you get them, you have another great idea, you have them reinvest because they're fucking addicted,

they will. And that's like the whole movie. The whole movie is basically about drugs and money and how these things that are like outside of like what we consider normal life, if you give into them, will essentially take your life over. And the morality of the characters

is almost besides the point. Because once you give yourself over to addiction like that, a lot of those kinds of considerations go out the window. Yeah, I think it's unhealthy to think that movies should only be like field of dreams, where there's a redemptive tale of a man being reunited with the ghost of his father. And it's okay, I think, actually, to portray horrible, selfish, heinous acts. As long as you have an awareness of it and the movie is positioned very carefully,

not to moralize per se, but to make you understand its morality. And there's like a fine line between those two things. Last time you were on the show, Ryan, you talked about the town. you are a New England guy. You are well situated to understand the psychology of some of the characters in the town. I and my family are from Queens and Long Island. Chiseled and Plymouth fucking Rock.

This movie is in the Queens, Long Island Hall of Fucking Fame. The people in this movie are the people that I knew growing up. They are, some of them are monsters, some of them are lovely, some of them are both. They all want to be fucking rich. Under any circumstances, they love drugs. They want to eat drugs every day And they want to marry a beautiful woman

And they want to drive a Lamborghini A white Lamborghini if they can And there's something about identifying Real humans in the world That even though this is a farce And it's funny and Scorsese Doing this big dramatic thing It's evident to me that this is

Not just aspirational but Replicative You know, it's trying to recreate something That exists out in the world And it's really successful at that Even in somebody like Leo who is the golden god of California and has been an actor all his life,

he kind of turns into a dickhead from Queens pretty impressively. And it's funny to watch something that it feels so close and yet so far at the same time on screen. Leonardo DiCaprio, you mentioned that we want to root for him, but I feel like he's always making an effort

to uglify himself or to play like a more dastardly kind of a character. Do you think that somebody like him can ever push it too far where he's playing somebody who's irredeemable and that we lose our relationship to him or does he just have an essence? Well, I think he has that essence,

and I personally would root for him to go any route he wants to go. But I also think I'm in the minority. I think if you've liked him for this long, and there's just something, I mean, this is the thing about movie stars, man. I mean, Matt Damon was just here the other day, and we were talking about it. And it's like, something happens when that guy walks into a room.

And you're like, man, he's awesome. I mean, it sounds stupid, but it's true. I don't care who you are as a guy. You're just like, man, Matt Damon. here. DiCaprio has that. So I would root for him to do anything and push it too far because he definitely pushes it. I'm sure there's some people that are listening to this be like, you know, he does awful, awful shit in this movie. I'm like, okay, again, it's in a script. It didn't happen for real. And he does a great job at being this really just awful dude where it's like, hey, I'm

admitting to you how big the drug thing is as far as every part of my day. Yeah, but practically opens the movie with it. Right. That's the whole thing. He outlines his his prescription chart basically at start of the movie to make us understand how he powers his way through every day. Yep. On a daily basis, I consume enough drugs to date Manhattan, Long Island, and Queens for a month. Okay, Mr. Jordan. I take quailudes 10 to 15 times a day for my back pain, Adderall to stay focused. Zanek's to take the edge off, pot to me out, cocaine to wake me back up again, and morphine well, because it's awesome. Morning naked. back pain and you know you sit there and like think you have some buddies that like cross the line every now and then and then you listen to that kind of timeline and it's not exaggerated like it's what belfort was doing they're like what kind of hell must that have been in just to get into the routine to just you know get your day started but if you're going to stay out that late i you know and i i don't want to finish the decaprio answer here because i do think that if he pushed it too far then some people will be bummed out because they've invested all this time and loving decaprio this much but as you talk about

being from this part of the country. I loved it. And in a weird way, like, why did it take so long for somebody to tell the true deviant Wall Street movie? Why, like, Wall Street with Gordon Gecko was like, okay, you know, he'd get it. Like, just move some stocks around here, and I'm going to fuck you over. That's about power. Yeah, you're going to buy art.

Yeah. And whatever, we'll go to the Hamptons for a little bit. All the financial crisis movies were really just more about telling a different version. The procedure of it. Yeah, like the company men I really liked was margin-class. margin call's great. Margin call's really good. And, you know, the big short's incredible. Like, and McKay does an awesome job,

finding a way to tell a story that would have seemed incredibly boring. But he killed it. But, you know, here... This is closer to Boiler Room in this movie. It is. But Boilerm was so over the top, you're laughing at the wrong time. Yes. And I love Boiler Room, but like, I kind of just make the joke.

Like, when Jamie Kennedy is supposed to be a tough guy in an alley and a bar fight, like, it's just, it doesn't... When Affleck's just like, I just want the Alec Baldwin-Gernary speech, whatever it is you guys have for me, like give it to me. And he does that those are the keys to my boat or whatever. No, he's like, that's, um, Ferrari. He's like, what's up? And he throws the keys.

Look, I used to have that drop for my radio shows. Oh, that's right. But this is, you know, where the goodfellas thing is the glorification of mob life. Because there's always this part of it's, whether it's like Westerns is a kid or our parents, or even like once all the South Central L.A. movies started taking over and you're like a white kid asking if that is men of society back in. Oh, shit. It's out again.

Can I reserve it? You guys going to have another copy. And then all of you guys like sort of embrace that shit even though you're in these white suburbs and you're just like enamored with this black culture because rap is blowing up. Like there's all of these things that go on that it's very clear that we love consuming this ship. But this hadn't really happened yet. And it was especially, I think, intimate for guys, depending on who you went to school with or what schools you went to. we all know we have a bunch of buddies that were like, I can't wait to get to Wall Street. I can't wait to fucking party like crazy.

I can't wait to do all the weird shit that I've been hearing about from years, you know, from previous generations. Now, to pull it off to the level, what Belfort did is another level. Sure. But it was like, yeah, that's kind of what this is. Like I remember talking to certain friends, but like, well, how does it work? How does it work? It was like, oh, you know, the first few years, you're out all the time with clients.

They come to the city and that's what they want. And then your bank or wherever you're housed up, like they figure out if you can, can handle your booze and can you stay out till three or four in the morning and can you show up the next day and get ready to trade? And it's like some guys can and some guys can't. And that's what I think is an impressive way of being like, yeah, this stuff actually does happen. Like, this is the lifestyle. Chris, you did about five years as a broker on Wall Street. Why don't you tell us about your experience? I did live, I mean, I do think that there's something to this movie about it crucially basically starts after Black Monday, right? Like after the,

the Black, it's Black Monday, right? Black Monday. Yeah, and they, so it starts at the end of a certain era of Wall Street. And even back in that like the Oliver Stone Wall Street days, I think that they had this conception of stockbrokers still, there was still a, like, widely held concept that they were like masters of the universe and that there was actually a skill and a calling to be answered here. And that's, this movie dissuades us of that notion, that there is something like ultimately

good or that you need these guys in society to move the money around because otherwise, like the financial system would crash. They're literally pirates. And that is, you kind of have to watch this movie as a mobster movie, as a piracy movie. It's not, there's nothing, there's nobody there to be like, oh man, I really hope Donnie makes it through this, you know? He seems like a good guy. They don't do any audience avatars.

Even Naomi has kept at like an arm's length. She's pretty much viewed through Jordan's eyes. So it's not like you're like, it's not like Karen and Goodfellas where she gets a lot of her own voiceover and tells it from her perspective. Or like the family and the soprano. Like, you know, I didn't really understand until later on. It was like, no, you needed those characters to round out people. And they don't even try in this.

No, no. Almost every single person is a scumbag in the movie, which is an interesting choice and really rare. I think also, you know, we'll talk, we'll get to the most rewatchable scene very soon. But the McConaughey sequence and meeting Mark Hanna is basically the thesis statement of the movie. It's basically just you're here to get money. You're basically here to rob people.

That's the whole point of this job. And while you're doing it, you're going to do a lot of cocaine. It's so nihilistic because he's basically like your body is just a vessel to make money and jerk off and do coke. And that's like, and those are the, Tutski. I hate to be like this negative about certain things, but like the more I read about stuff and you just go back and just whatever you want to read. You're like, oh, wait, so this isn't really what happened. Like, this is why this happened in history. Like, I grew up always thinking it was this.

be like, oh, this is because this other guy was a total fuck up. Like, this isn't a big win I thought it was or, you know, reading about people that pull all these financial scams and you just start thinking, like, I know personally at this stage of my life, I wouldn't decide to be like, all right, you know what I want to start doing, finding a way to fuck over people left and right? Yeah. That's my new thing. At like mid-40s, I decided, this is my deal now.

But if you're 22 and you're a kid from Queens who grew up with two accountant parents and you got wide eyes and you meet Markana over. lunch one day and he's Hoover and martinis on a Monday morning, maybe you're like, this is the lifestyle I want. Maybe I do want to be a degenerate and I do want to make as much money as possible. I wouldn't have gone in that

direction, but you could see it's showing us like a babe in the woods getting turned. And it was funny because I thought like I was going to have this going through and be like, well, make sure I bring up the Mark Hannah thing and that he basically describes Wall Street in just a matter of minutes and like, that's it. It's the most efficient description

of a market and how the economy economy works in like the history of fucking movies. We don't create shit. We don't build anything. No. So if you got a client who bought stock at 8 and announced it's at 16, and he's all fucking happy, he wants to cash in liquid 8, take his fucking money and run home, you don't let him do that.

Okay. Because that would make it real. Right. No. What do you do? You get another brilliant idea, a special idea. Another situation, another stock to reinvest his earnings, and then so. And he will every single time because they're fucking addicted.

And then he just keep doing this again and again and again. Meanwhile, he thinks he's getting shit rich, which he is on paper. But you and me, the brokers, we're taking home cold hard cash via commission motherfucker. Right. But he's like, look, he's like, you can't let him take that money, like, because then it's fucking real. Yeah. And it can't be real. Yeah.

And then it's back to that thing of me being negative about things. you're like, oh, wait, that's bullshit. Like, it's the best way to go through life just being like, yeah, you know, like, I'm not really trying to do too much here. It's just bullshit. And just like in the movie, which happened in real life that once Belfour was interviewed, you thought like, oh, all this exposure is going to be terrible. And then he shows up and kids are lining up left and right.

And it's just like Michael Lewis when he wrote Lyres Poker after just being like, you're there. No one is really that impressive. It's just we're the house. And next thing you know, couple years in, you're making a couple hundred grand. And Lewis is admitting freely, like, I had no idea what I was doing. I think it was Solomon Brothers. And then he would start going on these speaking engagements as this new author. And all he was getting hit up with was young guys graduating from business school being like, is there a way you can get me a job? Exactly. And he's

like, no, no, I just told you the whole thing's full of shit. And it's a despicable industry. And they're like, yeah, I have two suits. Like, when can I start? There was like an idea that investment bankers and stockbrokers were Ivy League Tweed suit guy. with heavy glasses who understood this like hieroglyphic system that you know you had to you know go to Princeton to get the key to understanding and guys like belfort came in and were like oh no that's not the case you just have to call somebody and sell them a pen oh boomerang which is the other lewis book that yeah you know i don't know if anybody's ever going to make it anything because the big short i think was like boomerang's a collection of financial stories and i do reference this book too much but the icelandic

chapter in it like the fall of that economy yeah yeah right but prior to it they're like they just have a way about them the Icelandic people like and people I mean people are arguing insane shit like their clean lineage that it's only Icelandic people reproducing with Icelandic people

that somehow led to understanding fucking markets right do you know fucking stupid that sounds after the fact but smart people were arguing that shit because they're like you know what is it about the Icelandic banker they're like they just see it in a way You know, living off a good cod. And you're like, no, you're frauds too. Yeah.

If it's confusing at all what the purpose of the Hanna sequence is, just go back and rewatch it and make a note of the moment when Leo's character says, but hey, if they make some money, then everybody wins. No. And he goes, no. And that's it. That's it.

It is every warrior for himself. You guys are really good at this because I thought like, oh, yeah, make sure you point that out tomorrow. And it is. Like, that's the whole, that's everything. That's all you need to know about it. It's thesis in the second paragraph. Absolutely. So let's go to the most rewatchable scene with that in mind. Before we get to Hannah, we meet Jordan Belford and we get the life of Jordan Belford. Here comes our unreliable narrator. Come to tell us what every day is like for him. My name is Jordan Belford. Not him. Me. That's right. I'm a former member of the middle class raised by two accountants in a tiny apartment in Bayside Queens. The year I turned 26 as the head of my own.

own brokerage firm, I made $49 million, which really pissed me off because it was three shy of a million a week. And it's fucking hilarious. We see, it does something very smart, which it shows us a character

in the prime of his life at the beginning of a movie and makes us think that everything is great. And it's not great. It's actually right as the fall is about to come, but I love when a movie kind of sets you up and makes you think we're going to go on this wondrous journey with a hero and it kind of pulls it back.

But that combination like Chris is saying of breaking the fourth wall, of using voiceover, of flipping the car from red to white in real time shows you right away that like Scorsese is kind of up to some shit. He's like breaking all his rules at this time. Yeah, but I like that they never

do it in a moral way. Like he never breaks it where he's just like, hey, I know that this is really bad guys. So you should, we should all judge these characters. He's kind of like you made them, and we all participate in this, and in our own ways are victims of this stuff. And I love the fact that it never slows down for a second to be like, let's judge these guys. Let's have like a moment where we realize that we're better than them.

Mark Hanna Lunch. Well, Hector, here's the game plan. You're going to bring us two absolute martinis. You know how I like them, straight up. And then precisely seven and one half minutes after that, you're going to bring us two more. Then two more after that every five minutes until one of us passes the fuck out. Excellent strategy, sir. I'm good with water for now, though.

Thank you. This is first day on Wall Street. Give him time. Thank you. Thank you. We've already talked about it a little bit, but I think you can't, you want to do a McConaughey riff? I feel like you can't understate everything that McConaughey is doing in this movie for like four minutes. So I'm working on this other project, okay?

And it's done. We filmed it already. And it's just funny that this ties up. But like between Dallas Byers Club, this movie, and then into True Detective, like this was the McConaissance. Okay, we've all read about it and all that kind of shit. Like he was so unlikable. And people can talk about Killer Joe, but it just wasn't mainstream enough. But this became everybody going, oh, wait, like, I think I like McConaughey again. And the Hannah character and the hair, I think, has much to do with it as the dialogue. It's so 80s, terrible. it's unbelievably bad. So I was lucky enough to interview him twice

when I was at ESPN and when he was gonna, I couldn't wait to go see Interstellar. And part of it, I always thought it was funny that Christopher Nolan would have casted McConaughey because at some point, like Nolan was okay with it

where Nolan normally would be like, no, do I want McConnor playing like a serious astronaut? Like, does that make any sense? But yet we were okay with it and had it happened before any of these movies had happened, I think people would have been pissed off about it.

Yeah. But then I asked McConaughey, and it was, I've already taken too long telling the story. I took too long to ask the question, and McConaughey was kind of picking up on like, look, I know what you want to ask me. You're basically asking, like, can I put some McConaughey sauce on the roll?

Even if it's like Christopher Nolan where it's always a little darker, a little detached, you know, there's a... He casts avatars for himself. Christian Bill, DiCaprio. They're very stiff, kind of... Right. They're very British, even if they're not British.

Exactly. And McConaughey was such a departure from that. So I go, look, it's Christopher Nolan. It's his script. We're talking space. Like, hey, and he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And he would, like, wanted to interrupt me to be like, I, you know what you were trying to say?

Like, shut the fuck up. And he goes, you know, you know, and you got, you know, and I'm, you know, I got a little freedom to, you know, do what needs to be done type of thing. Like, that was his answer. And this was so obviously, like, what happened? It's like, hey, here's the dialogue. Okay, but fine. And then we all know that the beating of the chest thing that's become this iconic thing in college football stadiums was his warmup where Scorsese and DiCaprio were like, holy shit, just do that. Yeah.

with a common denominator. Seriously, every line in that conversation is so perfect in selling it. And it's actually like a good thing. He isn't back. You know what I'm saying? It's unsustainable. Right. You couldn't.

Yeah. Like, don't show up again in the movie. The thing that's also like I didn't notice until I rewatched. I mean, I've seen this movie in total probably five or six times, but rewatching it this week. I forgot what an amazing, like physical actor he is. Like, before they. go to lunch when the clock strikes and he's like,

let's fuck! He just kind of like throws his arms down, but he just does this like thrust and you're just like, oh my God. He's kind of a college football coach, you know, racing down the sidelines and he's like, he peers in during the lunch and then he pulls back and he's kind of moving his body all around. No, he's seriously,

it's so perfect. And it also makes you think that like, sometimes with him, you're like, I could see you doing this in real life. Oh, I definitely could see the masturbation. speech being something he would say at like a bar. You subscribe to that theory?

I don't think I actually can. How do you stay loose? You do two, three, four pods a day. How do you stay loose? It's all mustard up here, man. It's all acidic. Next scene, Donnie Azoff walks into a diner. You show me a check for $72,000.

I quit my job. I come work for you. I tell you what. You show me a paste up for $72,000 on it. I quit my job right now and I work for you. Hey, Paulie, what's up? No, yeah, you're not. Everything's fine.

Hey, listen, I quit. And he did quit his job. That's good stuff. That's also a very long island. Guy who's very wealthy just sitting in a diner having breakfast. It's just weird. Why is that guy eating at a diner? But that is Long Island to me.

I want to talk about the run this movie goes on just to start with. And how you think in your mind, you're like, oh, yeah, and then there's that scene with Donnie. And then there's a Mark Hanass scene. And there's, you know, like the Spike Jones scene or whatever. And you don't realize. you're watching that they're just back to back to back scenes. And that is kind of remarkable in and of itself. The way also in which like Jonah in that scene introduces this idea of like this,

the grotesque. It's like the, with the capped teeth and like the different like the different patterns of his shirt. Incredible. And he's just like, show me a paste up. Show me. It's so,

it's so base. It's like I just want to see the money and I will give you my life. He makes the trade right there. The thing about this is like, Jonah shouldn't be able to make this character work. The character shouldn't even work in the movie. And there's some of real life stuff to talk about with a real guy who he's portraying here.

But everything about it is so absurdist. Marrying your cousin, selling children's furniture, wearing that shirt that Chris is talking about. I quit my job. I come work for you smoking crack after meeting someone like four days ago. It's so ridiculous. And yet the whole time I'm kind of like, I buy this.

I buy that this is the bond. these two fucking weird animals created between one another. You know the hard part is because it's freaking Decaprio and he's like perfect that you go, they'd never hang out. And it's kind of like my cousin Greg succession theory where I go, eventually they'd be like, hey, tell this fucking tall drink of water to beat it. Like why is he involved in every scene? Why is Greg on the yacht?

And what I realize is like, yeah, but I like Greg's scenes. Like, what are Greg sprinkles? What are Greg sprinkles? Every Greg's scene is kind of funny. So it's like, you know what? Yeah, he wouldn't normally. This family would have, essentially at some point said, like, you don't get to just show up and now you're in the high level meetings.

Right. But it works and it's better TV. And for this, when Donnie first shows up, I'm like, oh, like, is this, does any, everything you just said in the timeline, does that make any sense whatsoever? And then you're like, yeah, but who are we talking about Belfort here. Yeah, these are guys who make bad decisions. Yeah, right. Like all they do.

It's not Charles Schwab. He's like, yeah, I need a guy who wants to work out of a garage. with me. That's right. That's right. Next scene, meeting the Duchess of Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. Can't overstate what a lightning bolt Margot Robbie was on the world. We accept her as an Oscar-nominated, very famous movie star now. It was only six years ago. Reportedly, she was 23 at the time. There's some dispute about Margot Robbie's real age, but let's just say she was 23 at the time. It comes from Australia, and she's introduced as Jordan Belfort's Dream Girl. And it's a great, great,

Great sequence where you go from that big beach house party straight into she's got the douchebag boyfriend on her arm. He's. What's that guy's name? Brooks. Blair? Blair. And that is... What's wrong with Blair?

No shots to the Blair's out there. How many more times are going to ask her about the jet ski? Exactly. I don't know, maybe three or more times. Such a great comeback. I love that you just tossed out the Margot Robbie Age thing. It's just like buddy healed. We're just going to skip right over it.

it's a great comp. There's a lot of like, have we seen a birth certificate? I don't know. What are you calling on Albert Poole Hall? Yeah, because I think I read when I was reading about the tryout, it was 23 and 26 of the two ages that I've seen.

I'm not worried about it. We'll never know. She's a wonderful actor. I have this written down as the smokestack lightning bacchanalia. This is the office party in which the marching band and I guess also throwing the little people is in that scene and the head shaving.

and then the strippers come in. And it's one of the most ecstatic pieces of filmmaking you'll ever see in your life. And it feels like this should be the happiest these guys are in the world. These scum of the earth, all they want is drugs and women and money. And it's a visual representation of all those things. And then just as the strippers come together,

just as they're about to meet for what, I guess, is like a slap fight, this old weird blues song comes up. And it's got an act. echo on it and the lighting starts to get dark. Strobe, yeah. And you realize that, like, that's hell. They're in hell.

Like, they have created hell on earth. And there's a... And they're fucking demons. Yes. Yeah, they're like, this is cool. We did it. And they love it. Yeah. That's where they belong. And there's a one vanishing moment where the camera moves in on DiCaprio. And he just looks like a little bit despairing.

He's not smiling. He's kind of like looking away and he starts to walk off the stage and walk away. the moves like this are very subtle. The more obvious one is later in the movie when they talk about the guy who married the woman who they double teamed, who then went on to kill himself. There's a couple of moments in the movie

where you're like, oh, there's something really, really dark under the surface of this movie. But that scene sticks out to be so much because it reverer filmmaking, and it kind of tells you the story of like this not even seedy underbelly, it's the overbelly of this time in American financial markets.

These guys could run roughshod as Robin Hoods for themselves. The first time I saw that scene, I was like, okay, this is too much. And it was like, what's about to happen here? Braveheart style? Like, what do we got here? We got two lines advancing towards each other, but they're strippers. And the shaved head thing was like weird.

And I think that was kind of the whole point. You know, like, when I've gone back and watched it again, it's like, no, no, I want to punch you in the face with the absurdity of what this is. If you're confused at all, just so you know, like, this is what it is. And there's a lot of research on that one that says it's just a combination of a bunch of things. That didn't all happen at once. Didn't all happen at once. You know, the marching band on the whole thing. But I think it was almost just to be like, no, no, we know, we're not doing this because you think this is amazing cinema. We're doing

this because we know it's absurd. We want you to know it's absurd and just move on. But when I first saw it, and this is other kind of a nitpick thing, I hate the way this movie is scored. It's my biggest beef with the movie. Oh, wow. I think too much music. It's way too much music. There's one riff where it goes blues into like an 80s song, into the foo fighters, so the years aren't even close to adding up. And I don't think the blues, it's Scorsese loving the blues and putting in as much blues stuff as he loves. Right.

And it's like, oh, you know what, CD? I love that CD. Okay, let's just put it in there. Clearly no one could tell him, hey, you know what? Like, again, I'm the guy that didn't like the Tom Waits open for the wire and thought the wire should have always been hip-hop. And I'm afraid to even say that out loud. But that's pretty much the only thing.

And in that scene in particular, I'm like, this doesn't even make any sense. We could have saved that for nipip, but it's an interesting conversation. It's the movie, I think, got introduced to audiences with the Kanye West song and the trailer, and there was an expectation that it was going to be one way. And then if you look at the, it's basically the arc of pop music is on the soundtrack. It's 40s, blues, and 50s kind of like a jazz pop and 60s rock and roll. And Billy Joel. And then 70s pop.

And then those 80s songs, like the Romeo Void song. and all the way into food fighters and the Lemonhead's cover of Mrs. Robinson and you have like this long history of music and it's not chronologically executed, you're right. Like it doesn't really fit together if you try to match the years. But Scorsese and Robbie Robertson of the band

have a long-term partnership and you can feel Robbie Robertson in Scorsese's ear during this movie. It's like back to Howland Wolf. Let's go over to this song over here. Let's get Bo Diddley in and over here. Let's go to this song over here. over here. This will be the right thing over here. And I think in the same way that the movie is about

over consumption, I think the music is about over consumption. Yeah, it's excess. Yeah. So you think it's a conscious art thing. Yeah. I think it was just, I love all this music in the movie's three and a half hours. And I know you guys to disagree with me. It has moments where I'm like, but I think that if you had a score, if this just had like theme music playing over it, I think it plays really different. The, the, the, the, the radio dial nature of it where it's just constantly flipping back and forth feels very true to this guy's coked out, like, perception of the world. And it would have been hard to just do the Talking Heads Wall Street thing.

Yeah. Which is perfect, by the way. That's just perfectly aligned music that I think I've ever seen in a movie. Right. And this, I remember in the beginning, and I don't, I don't know, because I really like all kinds of music. This isn't a taste thing. No, it's just, there are moments where I'm like, I'm getting knocked, like, it's

almost like one of those places you like the music and the guy keeps hitting next song before you're even on to the like it's a good way to describe it next scene I've got like six more seats here the Steve Madden IPO my killers my warriors my telephone terrorists you know like that whole that speech

Madden bombing and then just being like get out of here incredible yeah Madden who is played by Jake Hoffman Dustin Hoffman's son the Bachelor Party wedding and dance sequence famously a gif now Leo busting a move. He actually is incredibly impressive.

Yeah. Great, good dancer. Did we know that prior to that? Is there a thing he can't do? I just remember seeing like, I think it... She was a team whose hats to wear. He sucks at that. Like, he'll be like Auburn one day and then Michigan the next day.

I think it's just about the hat. You know, with him, I think he gets a pass. I'll even give him a pass on mixing up SEC and Big Ten teams because he's just going to go dark hat if he's at a Lakers game. But I think what is the public Leo Lowe? A little bit of a dad bod with some... super soakers running around with models. Yeah.

So that would be the highest high of my life ever. Where he's still wearing like, like, calf-length socks with vans riding a city bike? But then it's like, oh, that's the, that's, it's just like, an Israeli super model next to him. Yeah, no, it's a new character he's working on. He's this guy, this startup guy. It's his own version of Borat. Next scene, Daddy doesn't get to touch Mommy. Is this a, is this rewatchable?

Uh-huh. this is like a scene in the movie that I guess is good. Am I like time to watch the daddy doesn't get to touch mommy scene on YouTube? You ever recreate this scene with your wife? I do not. Okay. Apparently the scene's true. Is it?

Yeah. That it really happened in that, uh... Rocco and Rocco? Yeah, Rock. My favorite Robbie part of this whole thing is that right after this movie came out, every NBA player followed her. I'm serious, man. It was like, and the thing is, if you've ever seen her when she's not made it, she's like a kind of an understated, like, I remember there were some photos of her going around on when she got engaged, I think, or something like that.

But, like, Robbie became, like, I don't know if it was a pivot from Christina Hendricks Mad Men. Right. Were a lot of NBA players following Christina Hendricks? I don't, I wasn't as locked into that research. I'm not talking about, like, drive Christina Hendricks, which I like to also call obtainable Christina Hendricks. but Robbie, I'm, like, I think December 26th, like the entire Central Division followed her. Yeah, this is 2012. So it's like Hibbert still in the game.

Yeah, right. Hibbert is like, this is ridiculous. Yeah. And it would like, if you clicked on her, her bio or like whatever her page would be, it would be like followed. And then you just, you know, because every now and I like always was fascinated like kind of perusing this stuff. It was just unbelievable. Yeah. Next scene, Jordan invites the F.

B-I-on was yacht. You know what I was just thinking, too? The fucking hero that I'm going to be back at the office, when the bureau seizes this fucking boat, because, I mean, fuck-a-fuck-fucked, Jordan, look at his seat. It's beautiful. If you get the beautiful girls there, it's wonderful. All right, get the fuck off my boat.

I'm sure we'll be seeing each other real soon. I'm sure. Good luck on that subway ride home to your miserable ugly fucking wives. I'm going to have Heidi lick some caviar off my balls in the meantime. Hey, you guys want to take some lobsters for you. for your ride home. Fucking miserable pricks. I know you can't afford them.

Fucking cheap. Fiddle shit. Yeah. Next scene, I'm not leaving. You know what? I'm not leaving. I'm not leaving. I'm not fucking leaving.

The show goes up. Fucking Wrecking ball to take me out of here. This is probably like in the, this is the clubhouse favorite. One of the more rewatchable scenes in any movie in the last decade, I would say.

It's simultaneously like, disgusting and beautiful and it gets me fired up. You know what I like about it? And it's, you know, a lot of the stuff is very straightforward. Like, hey, here's the beginning of the scene. I'm going to do something incredibly fucked up onto the next one. But this felt like in this movie. And I really like when he's sober at the pool and Donnie comes by,

where it gives that a little bit later. But you can almost lose track of like, wait a minute, where's the dialogue that surprises me? Where is something that happens that I didn't expect? Where is there some growth or some? And that's what this scene finally is in that, not the growth, but it is a realization midway through it. I'm going to. I can't. And it's like the most honest part of it too.

And that was, I don't want to say it was needed because again, it's what happened. Like he's like, fuck it. I'm not, I'm not leaving. Right. It's such a perfect, it is kind of the field of dreams moment in the movie. It's a heartstring tugging slash inspirational moment that is also the most self-aggrandizing garbage of all time. The whole Kimmy Bellser back and forth that he has is nice and it weirdly moves me, but he basically forces a woman to tell a room full of screaming dudes how much money

he gave her, which is just fucking weird. Like he's like, I fucking love you, Jordan. Yeah, he's like a bad guy. And nevertheless, he has inspired this room full of baboons. It's great. Yeah, you ask me for 5,000. Give you 25,000. Like, she kind of sucks too. Like, I don't really like her. Yeah, which is doing the snapping. Yeah, yeah, the snapping thing and then the wiping off the shoulder. But I think that's kind of the point. Right. It is.

It is. No, you're not supposed to like Ayakash's character. You're not supposed to like any of it. Like, none of the people were you like, oh, I wonder if this guy's going to be cool. Nope. The lemon quailudes. The lemon ludes. Age the best or the worst.

Yeah. They're still aging. They've lost their potency. If you can get your hands on some, I would encourage you to check them out. I wonder if there's a thriving lewd community out there. It's got to be some Silk Road shit, right? some deep web, some dark web. But I mean, like the finite nature of them,

do they ever start circulating or like they ever start manufacturing? Yeah, they're like Honus Wagner cards. You know, there's only six left. Who's got them? Does Gretzky have a lewd? You know, that's what we've got to be asking ourselves. The Naomi Yacht capsizes. Arguably the best scene.

Pretty crazy. Yeah, really fun. And also true. Is that true? Yep. With the plane, too? Was the plane crashing also true? So that's what I was reading again is that they like double check some of the stuff and that that part was true.

And just for him to be like the whole thing like if I'm dying, I'm not dying sober. Get the ludes. I can't go down to turn. It's funny. It's three feet of water down there. I will not die sober. Get those fucking lones. Okay.

And you're like, this is hilarious. This boat is going down. Get the ludes. And him, him going through that. Like, you want to talk... I'm a master diver! The ultimate wake-up call? You know?

Yeah. Like, some guys would be like, you know what? Had a few too many red wines and kind of DUI and the way back from the country club. It's like, no, no, no. This guy's yacht capsized because he had to get through a storm to handle this laundered money. Right. And then the plane that came to get him crashed. And he's looking at everybody, like, being in this rescue situation.

And he's like, okay. Maybe now. I should chill out. Maybe, yeah, tone it down. Maybe I'll stop going out on the Sundays. You know, I didn't put this scene down, but you mentioned it when Donnie comes over after he's been arrested and he's got the ankle bracelet on and they're having that back and forth. He's drinking no duels. Which is really some of the funniest writing in the movie.

He's like, you have to drink a bunch of those to get fucked up. You want a beer, pal? What are you drinking? I got this non-alcoholic shit. What's that? It's like a non-alcoholic beer. It's got no alcohol. Is it beer?

Yeah, with no alcohol But you drink enough And you drink a lot They get you fucked up No, there's no alcohol That's the fucking point I'm not a scientist I don't know what the fuck you're talking about

I can get you beer If you want fucking beer I don't drink You remember I don't drink anymore Oh you want to go inside And blow some lines of bacon powder You drink a million of those

Well then when he's like Wow Is it cool And he's like fucking sucks Yeah It's so perfect What scenes have I forgotten anything? Well the

when he goes to the investor's circle. Oh, meeting Spike Jones. And meets Spike Jones and sells Aerotine. Yes. Aerotine. Aerotine. Very hot stock right now. Yeah?

They're just a couple of brothers that are making radar detectors out of their garage. They're out in Dubuque. Maybe it's microwaves. I'm not sure, but you call the company the main line, their mom, Dorothy, the answers, and she is so sweet.

I actually don't know what else. I don't know anything else about them other than that. Six cents a share. And we get to that little cutaway to the shed, the aerotine is in. Genius. And the cold call Stratton-Okman speech, the script that he writes for the guys, which, I mean, you have to put in there just because of Moby Dick, and this is your harpoon. And everybody's like, who the fuck is Ahab?

It's just like all the guys yelling at each other about Moby Dick. You schnooks will now be targeting the wealthiest 1% of Americans. Talking about whales here. Moby fucking Dicks. And with this script, which is now you're not. your new harpoon. I'm going to teach each and every one of you to be Captain fucking Ahab.

Get it? Huh? Captain who? Captain Ahab. From the fucking... From the book, motherfucker from the book. Turn your fucking drain on. Listen, we're a new company with a new name. And, yeah, Lemon Ludes, Steve Madden,

you hit all these other ones. I mean, I would also just, right before the boat takes off, I really love when he finds out that Emma is dead. She was fine. Oh, God, baby. Oh, God, that's so fucking terrible. Oh, fuck. It is terrible to you.

He's like so freaking out because it was money, but he's just like, that's terrible. Captain Steve, the Spike Jones thing is, I'm really glad you brought it up, though, because that is so perfectly executed. Because he's like, he gets the,

name of the company wrong. He's like wrong. He's like, it's a couple of these guys and he's like selling. It's microwaves or radars or radio. Yeah. It's radar detector or maybe microwaves. And he knows what a fucking clown he is. And he's trying to sell a stock. DeCaprio. DiCaprio's

he's so perfect in the way he's like, what the hell is going on in here? He's like, is this this, you know, and he's like, it's perfectly delivered. I mean, just the difference between like a good actor and a great actor. And when the other guy's like, And there's just dudes eating slices of pizza.

There's another guy's screaming in his sweatsuit. The guy walks out of the bathroom and it's right in the office. So he just walks right out and there's not even a hallway. That scene is, I don't want to call it, sneaky under it, but it's easy for that one to get lost in the debauchery of all the other scenes. What does Spike Jones say? He's like, if you sell $10,000 worth of stock, I'll blow you. And he's just like, I hope I get to do it.

And I want it to happen. And I want it to happen. Yeah. But yeah, the whole script thing and the cross-cutting between the different guys delivering Jordan's script and his whole, like, all the gestures that he's doing while he's doing it on

the answering machine. And then when they cut into the Straton-Okmont offices and everybody's walking around, being like, I'm the vice president of Stratten Oakmont. I intend to be one of the highest earners at my firm, and I won't get there by steering you wrong. Like, it's just such a great thing. The one thing I know about

in this world, is airlines. And Coushan Airlines is the future of airlines. Getting now... My name is Nikki Kaspaw. Chester Ming, and I'm a senior vice president

Shradd Nod. Judy, I'm so... There's a bunch of montages like that later when they're being interrogated by the SEC. There's similar sort of montage cutting like that. Yes, that is my name.

Yes. Who's... What kind of a name is that? That is my name. Anything else, Ron? What am I leaving off? Apparently, I just wanted to clean up this thing. because I'm a real stickler for the details, but the plane that went to pick him up

was a couple days later. Okay, but it did explode. Yeah, but it wasn't in the moment. Actually, the story about the sinking ship is even crazier than what happened in the movie, but the plane, because I knew that was sort of something. I know the timeline. I'm kind of screwing up the podcast.

No, no, no. But I don't want some guy, you know, listen to half the podcast telling some girl he just met. He was like, yeah, that was true. It happened in the same moment. And then it's like, you know, then I lied to him. Just tweet at Rosillo for getting it right. and saying thank you very much.

We'll set up an email address for him. Yeah, that'd be good. Maybe some hoodies. Suggestion box. What's the most rewatchable scene? It's, it's, look, I don't think, it's almost like Shaq, early Shaq fantasy basketball, like he's not allowed to be picked.

I don't think McConnor-Hae shouldn't be eligible because it's the clear runaway for me. I don't know. I think it's between this lemon ludes and I'm not leaving. I'm going, I'm not leaving. I'm going to go McConnor. I just, I watched that scene like 15 times this week. It's unreal.

Yeah, so I would just, all right, if it's eligible to be picked, then there's really no debate for me on it. Today's episode is brought to you by Luminary, a podcast subscription service with some of the best content around. I'm excited about Luminary because it's the only place I can listen to the Ringers' amazing new podcast, Sonic Boom, How Seattle Lost Its Team, hosted by our very own Jordan Ritter-Con.

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The theme of wealth being an incurable pox that destroys life from inside and out. Whoa, I had no idea we were doing this. I think, you know, just keeping in mind that only being motivated by money, probably. That's aging well. I think it's good to be motivated by money, but maybe not only money. Yeah, my what saves the best is actually a lot of the asides that happens,

like you mentioned before when he's like the guy who marries the girl that they've all had their way with and then kills himself. The fact that Brad has a heart attack at 35, had a heart attack at 35, just like Mozart. Yes, just like Mozart. Poor Brad. We can't wait to get the burn. And then all the asides that are essentially like he starts trying to explain. a financial thing, like the way they do

in Big Short and then they'll have like Borghap or somebody or Robbie or whatever. He just like is like, you don't give a shit about this. And he kind of like yada yada is it or he says like it really reminds me of the way Trump talks where like the little aside at the end or like the Queens. Yeah, the flourish at the end is just like

and it's always bragging or it's always like you're too stupid to need to know about this. And that kind of like attitude I think is really age of the best obviously. It's really we've seen that that is a way of thinking that kind of resonates. The other thing that I think is age the best related to this is the idea that not having wealth

is also unacceptable. You know, it's not, there's that moment at the end when Kyle Chandler is on the subway and he's like, fuck. Like I got him, but I'm on the subway. This sucks. Like that's, that also is purposeful.

Martin Scorsese and Leonardo DiCaprio are wealthy and comfortable and they know that life can be a lot easier and better when you have it. It's just how you get it. and whether you're happy with what you've chosen to do. It is an interesting theme to look at in the movie that is more nuanced than just these guys suck.

There's so many movies now where you can get overloaded on characters, overloaded actors, but I think in a way we're being fed what we want. You know, like one simple storyline with one, it's like, no, no, no, I need all these different things. When Favro shows up, you're like, okay, what do we got here? And Favro is always kind of an interesting character now in all sorts of things because he's such a great director, but he does a really good job kind of playing these side roles. I think he's really, really good at it. And the aging, the best part is just how many times you'll, you'll go, okay, because what's this controversy? And it's like,

yep, you know, all this federal tax money being spent investigating this and then on and on and on and on and you're like, and what happened? What ended up happening? Like all the amount of time and all the resources. Three years of white collar prison. Right. To investigate baseball players and all this shit because it sounds good in congressional hearings and there's such a high approval. rating like if you're sitting and be like what about the children and steroids in baseball like there's very few people being like hey i don't give a shit um so it's like a win all kind of type of you know power play and look all those people get up there as a hearings and they're like just hoping they get their air time when i'm like you know do you really care and with this when you read into the

investigation it took 10 years and then we still almost had him just deciding to pay a fine and step down from stratt and oakma and he was going to be fine and he still couldn't and that was kind of one of those scenes of the rounding out of the characters it doesn't happen frequently in the movie where Favro is with him, Reiner's with him, and they're like, hey, what do you still want? And he's telling them what they want to hear. And you can tell at that point,

like deep down, he doesn't give a shit. It's like, no, no, you're actually going to get kind of a, get out of jail free card for everything you just did. If you pay this fine and you listen to me, because it's the SEC, but if it's the FBI and you're fighting him, and then he screws up. And yet still, the end of the movie goes,

oh, I forgot when you go to prison and you're rich, like, you don't really go to prison. Yeah. And I think it's actually like one of the things that I think people had a hard time wrapping their mind around was the last few scenes with Robbie's character. Because obviously it's played in a much different way and it's much more stark how fucked up he is and how evil he is. And they need those scenes in there not only because I'm sure they're true, but also because it shows just the disparity of like how much this guy gets off. Like he's like he goes to white collar jail even though like he commits real crimes. He kidnaps his wife and beats up his wife.

Yeah, like, and he's still like, I'm playing tennis, you know? And now I'm getting public speaking engagement fees. Yeah, there's a kind of amazing dissonance between the idea of Belfort being all about making this movie. And even though the movie largely is sort of like absurdously celebrates the things that he accomplished and did and consumed, you know, that sequence, which is basically the conclusion of the movie in a lot of ways, is awful. He is an awful violent person. And it's obvious. And yet he crops up in that cameo at the end of the movie. He participates.

He is a part of telling this story. It's difficult to kind of rationalize those two things, both of those things being true. Yeah, there's a lot to get into as far as like, okay, what's real about that? Because he's denied certain things. And the ex-wife is, you know, they actually get along. They both live in my town. which is, I don't, not like I'm running into them, but they both have Manhattan Beach and...

You guys don't drop a lude every now in there? No, no, I think I jogged by as hell. Drop a lute and watch Clemson. We're doing it. Weird flex. But, you know, the amount that he was supposed to pay in these fines, like, that's debatable, whether or not any of that stuff has happened. So I don't, I don't know what it was.

Like, hey, they bought the rights to his book. They wanted it badly. And they made this amazing movie. but maybe it was a way at the end to remind you like this guy did some awful shit like this is a funny entertaining story to watch it. Well he does some awful shit on the international flight

he takes when he wakes up and he's seat belted to the chair but it's played in a much more like carnival-esque way where it's like this like fucking like it's a montage. Yeah I mean we could do that we could do that like and I don't like doing those qualifiers like look any sane person watching the scenes knows like none of this is an endorsement

but I just mean like the way that they film it and present it is different at the end than it isn't in the middle of the crash. He's having the crash, which is, it's all, there's a big stock metaphor in the whole thing, too. It's kind of the way you play with money and the risk that you take and the way that it can be taken away from you very quickly because you make bad decisions and you hurt people. It's a, it's all very precise while feeling, like I said, at the beginning, very loose. I wrote down the soundtrack as aging the best, but Ryan says no to that. It just never aged for me, so it didn't, you know, but I expect to be on an island on that one.

Yeah, I like the soundtrack. I do too. I said this sort of unreliable narrator and talking to the camera stuff which in a lot of movies is considered like a crutch and bad writing and narration. Voiceovers consider bad writing

in this movie I feel like it's kind of essential. I feel like you kind of need to be inside of his brain to get the character, to get what he's shooting for and why there needs to be that come down. Once you have it in a movie

that's worth watching though and then you try to imagine like imagine rounders without Matt Damon and you go that movie would be totally different. It just would. So I can understand like, hey, it's a crutch.

But especially with this, when it's an adapted autobiography, and he's breaking, well, you know, I'm not saying because the office was successful that now of a sudden, but it's true. I mean, other TV shows wanted to do it. I don't know if Terrence Winter was like, hey, I want it to be just like the office, but darker. Right. I doubt that was the case. And look, this is, there's so many little things. Like, when you guys mentioned the Lamborghini thing, like, that's somebody, like, that shit's

always impressive to me. Right. Like, you don't ever sit there and think of like, hey, I'm going to write out. You know, Lamborghini down the Long Island Expressway, you know, he's inside. He's getting head. And it's like, you know what? Let me, I mean, that's, that's, it's really like you have to be kind of tuned that way to say, okay, how can I sell this in a way early in the movie that that gets the audience to pay like a little bit more attention or knows like,

oh, we're going to break some rules here and we're going to have some fun. It's just like when the plane crash happens and he's like, did you guys see that? It's like, that's an incredible line. To say, like, did you guys see that? It's bringing the audience in. It's also like calling into question the reliability of his perception, but it's also not making a big show out of it because immediately he moves on from it. It's just like the way they use it in this movie is brilliant.

Anything else, aging the best? I think we hit it, the ones I had. What's your vote? Oh, I'm just Margot Robbie also. I think just the discovery of Margot Robbie and where she is in her career and, you know, what place she has in the Hollywood firm event at this point is another one. I think she, in such a short amount of time from this, because she was so incredible.

And I love the line where she's like, we're not going to be friends. And you're like, oh, cool, this isn't going to be like the normal cheating courtship here. It's just, I'm actually more in control of the situation than you are, despite who you are, Belfort. She could do so many different kinds of comedy and acting in this movie, like, where she does the, like, emotional desperation at the end.

But she's also really, she can go toe to toe with him and be like, who? Are you a fucking out? How old, like, you know, who's Venice? I forgot the Venice scene for most of watchable scene. That also, that fight between them is so funny. And the back and forth that they're having when she keeps throwing the water in his face is unbelievable too.

When DiCaprio, and this is the part where you're like, God, you know, it's easy to kind of forget, like, how insanely good he is. But when he's, and I'd love to know kind of how that was written and what the direction was on it or how much it was him on his own. But she's throwing the water in his face. And he thinks it's like, hey, look, Venice is, it's not. not what you think, and she's paying a little bit more attention to him, and he's like, starts shimmying a little.

He's like, you know, you should be happy you've got a husband who's got a body like that and keeps it together, and you're like, what? And DiCaprio's just nailing, nailing it. Talk to me. Talk to me. Stop flexing your muscles, Jordan. You look like a fucking imbecile. Babe.

Come on, here she feel happy you got a husband who's in such great shape like this, huh? You may guess. It looks so beautiful right now. Come on. Kiss you? It looks so beautiful. Kiss you? Yeah. Give me one.

Fuck you! Ah, yes. My morning ritual. Do you believe, uh, well, you know the story about the trial, right? No. So, okay, so she's an unknown at this point. She goes in, she reads with DeCaprio, and apparently the instruction was that they were arguing, they're screaming at each other, and then they kiss.

And she just decided to slap them across the face instead. and scream, fuck you. And at that point, Scorsese was like, that's the one. Done. Great stuff. And she said you just did it.

She was like, I just needed to take a risk. I don't know if that becomes one of those things that, like, I'm repeating a story that isn't true, but it's out there. It sounds good, though. Oh, what a Greek tragedy.

You had to pay the golf course person with cash with your hands. What's age the worst? I think that the takes that this was like a celebration of wealth were bad takes, and I don't agree with them. That hasn't aged well to me. Yeah.

that the take economy around this movie was like both a precursor to where we are now but also like very limited understanding of like the like there can only be one kind of art which is like it's either a moral judgment on bad people or a celebration of good people and I think that there's a lot of room in between yeah I couldn't agree more with that stuff I just I don't understand like what are the rules supposed to be about what kind of stories we can tell and if somebody wants to tell a story that doesn't end in the same formula, like 99% of the movies that are out there, like, let the person make that movie. And if they fail and you blame the person for not following the rules, then okay, cool, like, that's a win for you. But with this, like, it doesn't

have, it's not the simple, you know, I guess you could rephrase it and say, oh, yeah, no, wait a minute, a conflict, greater conflict, how am I going to get out of this? Is him getting out of this just being alive? All right, you know, we could do that thing with it. But I just, I wish more movies try to do this kind of stuff. There's nothing normal about this movie. It starts in the third act of Goodfellas and basically continues that energy throughout the entire movie. It's hard to discern how much time is passed during any given scene.

It's hard to discern whether or not what you're seeing is real or not or true or not, like in terms of like the reality of the movie. It's such a unique and like idiosyncratic movie that to judge it alongside being like, well, I don't know if the lesson was really like clear. And we can get to the final shot of the movie. because I think the lesson is quite clear when you see that last shot. Yeah, the morality of it.

I saw, like, Richard Corliss wrote something in time at the time that this came out where he was just like, why the fuck would you, basically it was like, why would you want to spend three hours with these people? And, like, that's actually bad to hide your head in the sand about that. And it's also bad to, like,

not acknowledge the parts of you that are responding to parts of their behavior. Yeah, by the way, I like reading about terrible people. Yeah. I do. It doesn't mean I want to fucking hang out with them. but if you read about some horrible act in history, I don't know, I've never quite understood that.

Like I know on TV shows and stuff a little bit more because there's more of investment and like, hey, we want you to binge or we want you to be back with this group every single week. But for a story like this and for a movie, I don't know why the hell would I need my handheld to be told like, hey, just so you know, like these are bad guys.

And, you know, just be careful. It's an interesting time in the culture and in culture, because you got the beginning of the second Obama term, and the culture at large is it's breaking bad. It is a lot of bad people doing bad things and feeling a little bit. Maybe a lot of people felt safer in the construction of the country or in their personal lives somehow. We're out of the financial crisis.

We're in a slightly more stable time. And it feels safer, I think, to put a character like the sunscreen. But nevertheless, I think there are always going to be people who are like, fuck these guys. And that's their relationship to it. I think it goes back to the things that we were talking about with the Joker, where it's like the worry is that like in 10 years, there's guys who are quoting this movie as if it's just like, this is actually how I want to live my life. Right. Hey, how about this? If you don't like the movie, that's fine.

But to suggest movies like this shouldn't be made is like, what's the point? Yeah. I'd also say what's the worst possibly at runtime? I disagree, but I think it's only because the excess thing that we're talking about, the same thing that I like about the soundtrack, the same thing that I like about the writing, the same thing that I like about the camera work, the over-the-topness of everything, I think demands a maximalist length. Yeah, I think, I mean, I would, I agree with you.

I personally, as a viewer, agree with you. Like, Thelma Schoonmacher was like, I probably could have gotten this shorter, but we were under a little bit of a rush. And to be honest, like, the performances were so good, I just didn't want to cut anything out. Like, we just didn't really want to take out Jonah Hill scenes. Like, there's lots of scenes, like, the scene where Jonah and Bernthal get arrested. So I'm glad, I can't believe it's just, because I was waiting to, like, say that's actually

scene I've never liked. And it's true. Yeah. But it also doesn't, you could just handle that with, like, an aside, like, Brad got arrested. But you also get, you get to see Jonah and Brad, the Koylude King of Bayside talk. It's one of the, but you know what it is, it's like one of those stupid, frustrating things in a movie or a TV show, we were like, well, if you had just given him the money, and I'm like, why do I care that Brad just got arrested?

Why do I care that, like, but then Jonah, like, he's such a shithead because then it's like, let's pop these lemon quailudes because I need to distract you from the fact that I just set off a timeline of events here that it's going to be a major, major problem. But that scene was more that it wasn't a bad scene. It was just that it frustrated me as a consumer. And then when I went and looked it up, it was like, no, that's how the, one of the guys end up getting arrested. Because Jonah's character is a combination of a bunch of different guys.

That scene is just burned into my brain because it features Nassau County police car. And I grew up in a household with a Nassau County cop and saw that badge, that emblem all the time. It's like looking at the New York Jets logo in my house. It was just there all the time. So for whatever reason, I'd like to keep it in. Before we get to the next category, let's take a quick break.

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Belfort made a million dollars on the movie rights. Does this movie make sense with Brad Pitt? Can it work? Absolutely. Yeah, sure. I think Brad is better at doing the darker thing. I think DeCaprio... This was a stretch for him.

No, I think DiCaprio... I would tell you, like, I almost needed this character. Not that DeCapri was awesome in it, but if it was a less attractive guy that was a little rougher around the edges, which Pitt probably pulls off, not like... Pit's a little older, right? Yeah, it's kind of be, right? It's not like Pitt is not a good-looking guy.

I mean, no... Then coming up next, you're going to rank the hottest dudes in L.A. But there are times where I didn't want DeCapri to look so great on the screen because you wanted to hate him a little bit more. Is this making... Are we going to keep this in the podcast? I think that you're onto something, though, because... We need to develop Ryan's corner for the rewatchables.

DeCaprio does a thing, though, where, like, his... He's almost, like... He uses his attractiveness, his handsomeness as a tool in the acting thing, where it's, like, I can push things so far because, like, I'm just good to look at. Whereas, like, Damon is, like... Damon plays into his own strengths as, like, a very relatable, like, nice guy. You know what I mean? Like, in The Martian, you're just like, I'll just hang out with this guy for 90 minutes

and listen to him and talk. This is great. But DeCaprio, like... in this and Django will be like, I'm gonna fucking pulverize your idea of what I should be. And I think so he does about, he does a really good job with that.

And I think that Jordan's, his handsomeness in this movie goes a long way to being like, why would you ever sell that, like give into this guy? Why would you ever like let this guy sell you anything? Even though it's over the phone a lot of the time. I think there's a couple of moments in the movie,

especially the sequence when DeCAPri was talking to his, his warriors, his telephone terrorist. and he's banging the microphone against his head and he's kind of losing his mind. I don't know if I've ever seen Pitt go to that place. I don't know if Pitt can go to that place. So that would be my one case for I kind of need this to be Leo. And I didn't know Leo had that pitch when he did it, but he has it.

Well, a lot of times, though, remember, like the way it's like, hey, there's only so many roles that you would go, okay, Pitt will do this one. DeCaprio would do this one. I think a lot of them would be the same. That's true. I mean, the aviator, I feel like it's tough to see Brad Pitt as aviator. See, that to me I would buy more.

I could see that more. More than this. It's interesting that these guys that this happened though because these guys were also circling to part it at the same time. Okay, but remember Pitt in California?

Yeah. So that was pretty dark. True. And I thought... 20 years prior. Yeah. Right. Young Buck.

Young call. 1993. Yeah. I don't know. I think Pitt has like this weird gear in him that is a little different. I mean, fight club, he's weird.

Yeah, that's true. The fight club thing. That's true. And he's pretty funny and very dark. Okay. Chris Evans and Joseph Gordon Levitt auditioned for a role in this movie. I don't know what role it is. What role could these guys have played?

Those guys would have gone for Donnie, right? Did you imagine Chris Evans is Donnie? That doesn't seem right. No. I mean, Jonah took like 60 grand to be in this movie. He does. 60 grand. Yeah.

That's unbelievable. He told Stern that in an interview. Yeah. And didn't Leo have like points on the box office? So like Leo made like a ton of money off of this. It's also, it's not like Jonah was just some kid trying to get in a Scorsese movie. He'd already been nominated for Moneyball. And he was already in Superbad and a bunch of hit comedies.

And he took 60 grand. Apparently flew to see DiCaprio. This is the story that he tells Howard's turn that he was like, I joke to Leo. I was like, you know, I've got to do, I've got to do it. You got to tell Scorsese. And if you do cast somebody else, I'm like, kill him. And then he put on like the cap teeth. thing and he would practice talking with him.

Yeah. And he would call people on the phone, apparently. As great as the money ball thing was, I mean, you're still playing essentially Paul D. Podesta. Sure. Okay. Cool. O.B.P. I actually can't believe he's nominated for that role.

And it didn't win for this. And, you know, a lot of it's who you're going up against, just like the college football playoff. But this is, this is, he was so strong and unique and weird. And I'll be like, like, there's certainly. scenes I don't like him because it's too much. The dying character, yeah. But it's okay.

Like, I'm not, I'm not saying, oh, actually there's some times. Like when he's jerking off at the poolhouse. But that, what you were talking about too, Chris earlier with the kind of like, almost like the Trumpies Queen's talking thing, that scene when he asked him, he's like, I'm here some rumors about you. There's some things going around. He's like, what do you hear? And he's like, well, you know, I think with your cousin and he's like, it's not like,

you know, look, we grew up together and she grew up hot. You know, she fucking grew up hot. and all my friends were trying to fuck, you know, and I'm not going to let someone, you know, one of these assholes fuck my cousin. So, you know, I used the cousin thing as like an end with her. I'm not going to let someone else fuck my cousin. You know, if anyone's going to fuck my cousin,

it's going to be me out of respect, you know. No, I get it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's just a weird, New York archetype person that he just, he crushes it. And then the next level of that, the only Jonah could have done is the, you're free. What if something like that happened?

I basically, you know, if the kid was retarded, I would, you know, drive it up to the country and just like, you know, open the door and let us say, you're free now, you know, like, I'm free. Yeah. Yeah. You'd have to take her out to the meadow and just be like you're free. Open the car door.

More casting one hips. Blake Lively and Rosie Huntington-Wittley were considered to play Naomi. I know you've got some Blake lively thoughts, Ryan. I would have been fine with it. Okay. Teresa Palmer and Amber Hurd auditioned for Naomi before Margot Robbie was cast. I think her being an unknown was very helpful here.

I think it would have been wonderful to have Blake Lively at the height of her post to the town. She would have been fine. She could have nailed that. Yeah. She would have been great. But like Robbie, I don't know, Robbie became this. If Blake Lively can't reach the Margot Robbie phenomenon post sky.

Yeah. Excuse me. No, no. Keep it as sky because I like it's like almost like her LaMata. Yeah, shine. Shine. Shine. You know, look, if more NBA guys weren't going to fire on Blake lively after playing shine,

then I don't know what the problem is. One other thing about Robbie that I want to point out here is that she's just doing Marissa Tomey and my cousin Vinnie. And it's okay. It's actually okay that she's doing that. Wow, you just ruined the role. But the voice is Tomey. Think of her when she says, you know, Buick Skylock, that's the very famous thing that she's over and over again and my cousin Vinnie. And what is the name of Jordan and Naomi's daughter?

Schuyler. Skyla! Yeah. Same thing. Just putting that out there. Olivia Wilde also auditioned for the role of Naomi La Pollya, but was deemed too old to play Leonardo DiCaprio's wife, even though he's actually 10 years older.

It's kind of tough beat. Tough business. Julie Andrews was considered to play Aunt Emma before Joanna Lumley was cast. Miss Andrews had undergone a titanium ankle implant and was convalescing at the time of the roll-off. offer. Probably for the best. Could you imagine

the Mary Poppins people out there? Leo trying to bang Julie Andrews. That's complicated. That's such a great fucked up scene.

It's just this extra sneaky to be like just in case. Yeah, it wasn't like we needed more evidence that Jordan Belford

was a bad guy. It was just oh, while I'm here in England. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway.

People really wanted for a time Ridley Scott to direct this movie? What do you think this movie is like if Ridley Scott makes it?

You're a Ridley Scott head. It's like 40 minutes shorter, but not that much shorter, you know? It's like two and a half hours. But the director's cut four and a half hours. And then I think it's less chaotic. That probably has some pretty amazing scenes. I don't know. It's really like I think that the thing that Scorsese related to in the subject matter was the addiction stuff.

And throwing your life away for cocaine and what it does to you. And he talked about that a lot on the promo circuit for this movie. And I don't know anything about Ridley Scott's like personal life. but it doesn't seem like that's like a huge, like, theme that he returns to a lot. There'd be less dialogue, longer driving scenes, you know. All the time in that. The rude scene probably would have been pretty, like, much more, like, excited, much more like kingdom of heaven, you know? Sure, yeah, definitely.

The Deon Waiters Award for the biggest heat check. Is this the hardest one we've ever done? It's up there. I'm going to go from what I perceive to be least to greatest. Okay. Bo Dietl is Bo Dietl. Are you fucking high? I can't have.

I'm on to number one with the I. Jordan, are you on the fucking phone? Wow, your Bo Dietel is pretty good. Thanks. That's really good. Thanks, man. He used to,

now you'll know this show. Like, he was one of Imas's guys. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. He used to, like, recurring character on the show. So what would you just call up and be like,

here's the gossip? I think he'd be in studio. He'd be like New York's top cop. And then he was a PI. Yeah. And then he kind of transformed into like a conservative pundit. And he was kind of like,

Rudy is the best mayor we've ever had. He cleaned up the streets. He would like talk about that. A lot of Yankees and Mets fans at the time agreed with that Roodie assessment when he just gave away two stadiums. Right. Not ideal. But he also is like an object of obsession for Scorsese and Spike Lee and all these guys who see him as like an institution in New York in a lot of ways. You know, he's always in the tabloids. He's always talking about things. But I think like for people that may have never known that, you know, that are listening to this podcast now, you know, just another part of the country. Like he was a regular that was like this representative of New York.

So for them to cast him and he's good in it. He is good. He reminds me of like Curtis Sola too. Where it's just like that time when it would just be like, let's just have this guy in a red beret comment on like crime and punishment in the society. Yeah, he was on New York one a lot too, Bo Dietl. And, you know, he's also in a, he's been in a couple of movies. I think he's in 25th hour.

He's also in the Irishman. He has a prominent role in the Irishman as a mob boss. Oh, no kidding. Yeah, I haven't seen it yet. He and Marty have a relationship. Kristen Miliotti as Jordan's first wife. She's really good. She might be the most likable character in the entire movie.

She probably is. Only innocent person, really, in the whole movie. Jake Hoffman is Steve Madden. That's Dustin Hoffman's son. Kind of a opposite. It's like a cold check from Jake Hoffman. It's a purposeful cold check. It's kind of like McHale Bridges or something.

You know, it comes in. The cooler. Runs around a little bit. Shea Wiggum as Captain Ted Beacham. We just got to batting down the hatches. You're going to get a little chop out there. You're going to deal with a little chop. I might lose a few dishes.

Joanna Lumley as Ann Emma. You big Abfab guy? No, zero percent. Chris? Not really. No, me neither. She's one of the main two, right? She is.

Maybe I'm a 1% abfab guy. Okay. There was two people. Rob Reiner is Max Belford. He's amazing. The Equalizer scene. Who the fuck has the goddamn goal to call his house on a Tuesday night? What?

Damn it! You're going to miss it! Oh, please, tell me something I don't know. I wait all week for the fucking Equalizer, and they have to fucking... Hello? But as soon as he picked up the phone... Gene, how are you, Gene? He'd affect this weird British accent.

Right how, Gene. The Equalizer thing still doesn't make any sense, but it would just be like this British thing that he was doing. And then the... Cheerio! You fucking Half-Wit! He's... Yeah, I mean, he is... he delivers.

The T&A, T&E bit between him and Jonah, which seems very improvised. It was great. These sides cured cancer. We had to buy champagne and you, and you ordered all the fucking sides. Tell them about the sides.

Side sides? $26,000 worth the sides? What are these sides? They cure cancer? The sides did cure cancer. That's the problem. That's why they were expensive. Shut the fuck up.

I'm serious. I stop. He's explaining marriage to his son. And like Jordan still. He just to be like, what? Like, you know, it's going away a little bit. You understand. What's going on out there, Dad?

Everything from the eyebrows down. Really? John Bernthal is Brad. I don't think we've talked enough about it. I've tried bringing up the Coilu King of Bayside a few times. His performance in the diner, now she runs. Now she runs! When he's asking for the ketchup over and over again.

Supply and demand. Hey, tell you sister, I was asking about her. he's such a piece of shit and it's like so it's so visually in Congress to see him with these guys but there's always like there was always like I remember growing up

there would be like a crew of like a normal guys and then they'd have like one animal with them and I'd just be like where did you guys find this fucking guy and he would always be the one who had like the Adderall at the end of the night or so it was such a perfect casting there's a ton of red flags on this guy

not just his character but like whenever you're the guy that's still in your hometown and you're asking younger dudes to hang out with you, then you suck. And his working out thing is hilarious. And then, you know, bring the girls by, let him watch. Let them watch.

You just bring him by, let him watch. And he asks about the sister. Hey, you don't want to talk to you anymore. But that's another thing that, like, Belfort likes him the most. Yes. Out of all of the people. Like, this is the guy who gets it. That's right.

So that's another one of those things. But yeah, whenever, whenever, whenever, And there's a guy listening right now and you know it's been you in the past. But when you're asking high school guys to hang out and you're like 23 or 24, you know, things have not gone right. It's an incredible use of Bernthal as human wrecking ball. You know, like he does one thing really well. And he's a good actor. He's been in a lot of great parts.

And he's like a classically trained actor, very thoughtful guy if he listened to him an interview. He is, right? Yeah, he's very smart. I don't know that much about him because like the Walking Dead thing kept going and going and going. And I was like, okay, you know, like eventually that show limits your range because it's, and I'm not like knocking him for it. But it just, no, look, the show did so freaking well that it was just, look, we're going to keep this thing going the whole time. But I could never quite like figure out, like, do I love him or do I just like him or, you know, I don't know that I'm ever fair enough with him. It's hard to judge his career in a lot of ways because he keeps getting cast as a violent meathead.

You know, he was the punisher. Like, these are the kinds of parts people looked him for. He is, however, right now in Ford versus Ferrari playing Lee Ayacocca, which is... As a jacked guy. As John Bernthal. Yeah. Which is bizarre because that's not what Lee Ayacoco looks like. But he is Leia Iacocca in this movie.

Old Man Ferrari. Have you guys been checking out Kilbourne's videos? No. His catchphrase now is Old Man Ferrari. And Craig Kilbourne saying Old Man Ferrari on Instagram is 10 times fucking funnier than you think it is. I can't stop watching the videos. Is Kilbourne the new Robert Evans? I don't know.

I don't know what it is, but, like, I look forward to a new Kilbourne Instagram post, like, a kid on Christmas morning. I got to follow them. I didn't even know he had a presence. When you see a new one. And the thing is, they're all edited. And, like, there's people, there's, there's, I'm getting sidetracked here. There's, like a staff, but apparently, like, I had heard, and he didn't tell me this, because I don't really talk to him, but it was a, like, his writing crew and all the people he'd worked with

intelligence years just sort of missed him doing stuff. and they're doing these absurd videos. On Instagram stories? And they're just on Instagram. No, like, they're not only just stories. They're other just straight up post. And he's been hooked on saying, Old Man Ferrari.

And I can't get enough of it. So there you go. Go follow Craig Kilmore. Tremendous side track conversation. Spike Jones as Dwayne, the Investment Center leader. His skin is blotchy. Yeah.

Like his shirt sucks. Spike Jones only is great in movies. Three Kings, Money Ball. Wall Street. So we're watching the movie with my wife, like I said, and she turns to me, and I'm looking at Spike, and I'm looking at the blotchiness, and I'm looking at the mustache, which is uneven.

No, it's great. It's so perfect. And she's like, he's really cute in this. And I was like, what the fuck are you talking about it? And so now I'm re-evaluating. Yeah, I'm re-evaluating everything. Jean-Doujardin as Jean-Jacques Sorel. He's doing a lot.

So for those of you who are not alive, in 2013. Jean Duchardin was the star of him was a man who started in the movie called The Artist. Remember the artist?

The artist won Best Picture in 2012. This is a silent. Silent film. Somebody let me the DVD have still not watched it nor returned it. I wanted to see it.

I wanted to see it just to say I did it and he, the picture won best picture. The picture won best picture and he won best actor. He won best actor? I was on that Benini run

where we were just giving European is the best actor. It's just an absolutely ridiculous thing. Like the 90s NBA draft, late 90s. A little bit. It's just like, Jan Vesley sounds good. He could run, though. Yeah.

Wesley could get end-to-end. That size, that handle, finish at the rim. I see why they did it. Dude Chardin is kind of the skeetish-feely, I feel like. Yeah. So you guys are really down on him here. He saw him once, you know? Do you think the accent's just tricking us here? Are we doing that thing? I just think that, like, he's just in a different movie. Like, I think he's trying, but, like, he actually gets him. overacting award. That's the stuff on it. Okay. And then number one. Ms. McCona. He's one scene.

The only person I would throw in here is PJ Burn as Rugrat. He's good. He's good. He's got, he's in too much of the movie, I think. Didn't like him. You didn't like Rugrat or the soundtrack? I just, you know, there are certain moments with all of the side guys that like,

Cuthbert just made me laugh, right? Like the shubby, is it Cuthbert? Yeah, which is the one who's like, he's, sold meat and weed. I think that was him. That was him. Cup for bird. All right.

So not. Sea Otter. Yeah, see otter. Yeah. I don't know. I left out a syllable there. Those guys are all going in that guy. I don't want to get too far ahead of that guy.

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Just say, hey, Google, to get started. You want to do some Havas internet research? Sure. Matthew McConaughey's scenes were shot on the second week of filming. The chest beating and humming performed by him was improvised and actually a warm-up right, as Ryan noted, that he performs before acting. When Leo saw it while filming, the brief shot of him looking away uneasily from the camera, was actually him looking at Martin Scorsese for approval.

DeCaprio encouraged them to include it in their scenes. and later claimed a quote, set the tone for the rest of the film. Pretty good sliding doors there if we don't have that scene there. Now, here's some important half-ass internet research that Ryan Rasel

actually happens to be a little bit of expert on. The film was alleged by the Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission to have been financed by money stolen from the Malaysian 1MDB sovereign wealth fund by producer Riza Aziz who pled not guilty to charges late in July 2019. In 2016, it had been named

in a series of civil complaints filed by the Department of Justice for, quote, having provided a trust account through which hundreds of millions of dollars belonging to the one Malaysia Development Burrhod Fund were illicitly siphoned, which had included the funds to finance the film. To settle the lawsuit, Red Granite Pictures agreed to pay U.S. $60 million to the government with no admission of wrongdoing or liability on the part of Red Granite. So really this story is part of Billion Dollar Whale, which is this bigger story, a billion-dollar book that came out last year, Bradley Hope, Tom, right? I had Tom write on my podcast because I love the story so much. And it's basically this kid, Jolo, who went to Penn, was a kid who came from Malaysia. And actually, family was pretty well off, multimillion dollar value. But he was around generational wealth.

And I think he was probably kind of like an insecure, chubby kid who was around people that were richer and girls wouldn't talk to him. So he just was really good at, like, contacting people and networking in a very unassuming way. And he would keep track of all these people he met. And he would, you know, he would throw these parties while he was in conversation. college, which it was kind of set a precedent. He wouldn't always pay the bill. And he goes back to Malaysian. He was like, I just want to kind of start a fund. And it's kind of funny, too, he's like, I remember two of my buddies being like, hey, I'm going to start a hedge fund. I'm like, how do you just start a hedge fund? Like, why would anybody give you money? And yet these guys actually did it, that friends

are mine, the difference is they didn't steal all their money from the Malaysian government. Right. And so this Aziz kid was the stepson of the prime minister, was the was the son of the wife, you know, so like, you know, the second wife or whatever. And, and. He was like, okay, cool, like I'd like to get this fun going. And then, I mean, it sounds absurd, but this Jolo kid was just good with emails. And he got some people from the Middle East involved. And they started just kind of moving money around. They'd buy up stuff.

And then he got left out of a deal. So he was like, screw that. And then he would just start getting like these different banks. And then all of a sudden, Goldman Sachs started valuing some of their deals. And he just wanted to be this kid that was like in on the deal. Like Paraseltin would fly to these ski trips with him. When he saw Lindsay Lohan out at a bar in New York City, he bought her 23 bottles of champagne.

for her birthday. And then he befriended all of these people. He bought part of EMI. And then they wanted to do movies. And they buddyed up with DeCaprio and DeCaprio and Scorsese, I'm assuming, from what I've read, and kind of just putting it together, it's like, hey, this guy's a billionaire. Nobody really knows his deal. But he's this Malaysian billionaire who apparently has some sort of fun, which again, was just ripping off the Malaysian government as they just moved his money around. And he was taking it all. He's buying up real estate. He's buying, he bought, I think Marlon Brando's Oscar and sent it to DeCaprio is a gift. DiCaprio did give it back.

They had the single largest art purchase in the history of art for like $43 million at one point. And so they were like music, rappers, famous people, starlets hanging out in L.A., New York, London, the whole deal. Ridiculous parties. Vegas parties that had Vegas people being like, this is absurd. And DiCaprio and the Scorsese saw guys that would give them total control and endless money. And that's how this movie got funded. And Scorsese had gone through like a half a year of development. element on this movie and basically, I think he'd said, like, I wasted half a year of my life trying

to get this thing going. So, like, to have the creative control, although in a sort of twist of poetic fate, the way this movie is funded is essentially a testament to the reality of the movie itself. That is exactly right. The enticement of having that money at your fingertips can make you throw away a lot of your principles. Fascinating kind of active metaphor for the story they're trying to tell. And to think that you wouldn't know it at the time. They knew it. Because it was this, no, but I mean, when the movie's coming out. 2013 or whatever, but like, I don't think it's absurd to, you know, however you've been along the ride for certain things in entertainment where you're like, what's this guy's story or like,

who's this guy? I've been like, oh, I got a guy to guy. And think how many of those things like none of it ever gets exposed. Right. And with this, it was, you know, exposed and deniability and, you know, look, all the stuff. This thing's still out there. And they're trying to figure out how to, like, group some of this money. And they think Jolo's, like, hooked up with China and paid them.

for protection and this whole thing. And DiCaprio and the other people that were involved apparently gave back everything that was gifted to them. But at one point, like DeCaprio is a real life party buddy with this Jolo dude from Malaysia. And I don't know if it was ever. Like, did you actually like him? Did anybody like this guy?

Right. Or was it always part of it where it's like, you know, he's somebody that can help me achieve what I want to achieve. But, you know, famous people like really crazy DeCaprio type, famous people can be interesting in that, like, oh, wait a minute, I kind of trust you and you kind of leave me alone and you have more money than I even have. So like, you don't really even need anything for me. And yeah, it's cool to be with DiCaprio, but whatever. But like, sometimes odd friendships can even happen. So I don't, I don't know what the extent of the friendship

was, but this movie is a lot different without this kid from Malaysia's sharing money. Sure. One of the reasons that they needed so much money to make this movie is because there's between 400 and 450 VFX shocks, which is, you know, for Martin Scorsese, Hugo notwithstanding, very uncommon, I would also argue that without this movie, I don't think we get the Irishman because the Irishman is... He starts messing around with stuff. He starts getting interested in digital technology. This movie's shot digitally instead of on film, and he was one of the last bastions of fighting for shooting on film. The film set a Guinness World Record for most instances of swearing an emotion picture.

The F-word expletive has heard 506 times averaging 2.81 times per minute. The previous record holder, any guesses? Something with Richard Pryor? Not a bad guess. Not in a movie. Did they run? No. Another Scorsese movie.

Not good fellas, is it? Not good fellas. Casino? Casino included 422 repetitions of the F word, including in the voiceover narration, and the 1997 British film Nill by Mouth, in which the F word was spoken to 428 times. The film received a C rating from audiences

surveyed by cinema score, a rating lower than anything else in theaters, the opening week of the film. This is why America is not to be trusted. The actor snorted crushed B vitamins for scenes that involved cocaine. Jonah Hill claimed that he eventually became sick with bronchitis after so much inhaling and had to be hospitalized. This movie also does commit the weird Scorsese consistent error of somebody blows a line of coke and then throws their head back. Like they've got a hulk around their neck, which I've never seen a person do in real life.

That's just not the experience that people have when they're using that drug. Christina McDowell, daughter of Tom Prusalis, who worked closely with the real life. Life Belfort at Straton-Okmont wrote an open letter addressing Scorsese, DeCaprio, and Belford himself, criticizing the film for insufficiently portraying the victims of the financial crimes created by Straton-Okmont. Some people connected to the film and the book and everything not super happy with this movie. You know, that's always, like, what do you do? Are you supposed to, do you, like, this gets back to, like, some of the stuff we're talking

about already, and I'm glad you brought it up. But, you know, one of the things that I liked about boiler room was they did have that part where you're like, hey, you know, well, how did this guy get your number? Oh, you know, he's, he's a good guy, he's a family guy, you know? Yeah. And they're talking about Giovanni, uh, I forget his last name. Rabizi. Right. I always struggle with him. And I don't know. I don't like, like, I like, I like, I like, it's, to me, like, it's, it's the epitome of, like, what today is where it's like, hey, I'm going to, I'm going to tweet something. Okay, well, here are the seven things you left out. Like, no, no, no, this was just my fucking tweet. Like,

that's all it was. I had 280 characters. Here's, an observation. And because I didn't write the other things doesn't mean that I don't also understand all the things you're coming back at me with here. So what's the obligation of the movie? As much as that part sucks, it sucks all these people lost. I mean, at the root of this, this is what this guy did? He knowingly took this. But I don't know what, what are the rules on that supposed to be? Well, it's also like if they had made a movie about the victims of financial crimes, nobody would have gotten to see it. They did make a movie. It was called 99 Homes. Yeah. And starring Andrew Garfield and no one watched that movie.

No, I think that the fact that movies like Wolf of Wall Street are popular is what's wrong, right? It's all connected. It's all part of a cycle. And I think that that's like, he's at the end of this movie when the shot goes out into the audience. And it's like, you just watch this. You thought this was fun. Think about it. Like, that's what this movie's about.

It's also about sex. Margot Robbie claimed that her sex scene with Leonardo DiCaprio on a bed full of cash was extremely uncomfortable, as the fake paper bills had sharp edges resulting in multiple paper cuts to her. back. Any takes on the sex scenes in this movie, Chris? You want to vamp for 20 minutes about them? No, I'm good. The last one's pretty disturbing. The last one is awesome.

No, it's awesome because it's such a fuck you. It is like... It's supposed to be disturbing. The ultimate turn and she's... I mean, that's a really incredible scene to do it that way. And then it's like, okay, now it's over. and now it's like done

and it wasn't you know there's all these different ways you could try to portray some of these stories and emphasize certain things to the audience but I thought that one was so you can't call it nastier revenge because she deserves It's exactly what he does to everybody else

throughout the whole movie Like it should have been awful It should have been an awful heartbreaking experience for him because it's like throughout all of this and this is what happens to guys I think this happens to guys more often than girls but like when a guy is at rock bottom like the girl that has his back

that you've taken advantage of. You've, you've just not appreciated her enough. But then when you hit that rock bottom moment, it's like, oh, you know who's been fucking awesome to me? This girl who's had my back, even though she shouldn't. And so maybe now that everything, all the walls are crumbling around me, maybe now I truly see like how special this person is. And he didn't deserve to get her back.

Right. So I thought that was pretty heavy the way they executed that. That whole sequence leading up to the, the freak out and the kidnapping is amazingly well done. And it's the Scorsese we're actually more familiar with. It's back to Raging Bull. It's back to taxi driver. It's back to dread and fear and slathing like the eggs out of her hands and right,

Raging Bull, yeah. On a routine visit, Stephen Spielberg spent a day on the set watching the shoot of the Steve Madden speech, Martin Scorsese claims that Spielberg essentially co-directed the scene, giving advice to actors and suggesting camera angles. I thought that was fascinating. I don't know if that's true. That's awesome. I've never heard of someone doing that.

And that shows you how confident Scorsese is that he would let Spielberg onto his set and do that. When Simmons had Damon on last week in studio, I was actually in the background. Yeah. Just being like rap now, different quicker questions. Don't move on so fast. I, that's like, I don't know if that's the ultimate ego to be like, I'm okay with Spielberg giving me a few heads up. You know, because everyone maybe the tier below that goes, hey, Steve. Scram.

Right. Like, do you need to, can somebody send this guy a link to my eye and? me real quick. But imagine being that cool with another legend and just getting some other eyes on it, right? I mean, I guess surgeons do it. I guess also those two guys are like

two true cinematic geniuses who might actually be like there's a there is a right way to tell this scene and there's like maybe something I'm not thinking of that you're thinking of. It just makes sense that it's actually not that out of the question. Jordan Belfort coached Leonard McCabe on his behavior, especially instructing him in the various ways

he had reacted to the quailudes he abused. as well as his dope-induced confrontation with Danny Porish, who was the character that Jonah Hill plays. That seems like a weird conversation. Jordan Belfort talking to Leo about how to be on ludes. But doesn't it make sense? Yeah. Like if you've never, I don't know if somebody who does them, you know, I don't know.

I mean, we're out of them, so we don't know. Right. Well, there's that. Yeah, right. I mean, could DeCaprio be like, oh, is it kind of like, like, I don't know what the deal is. Yeah, it sounds like it's like they're sort of like it's like when you try to stay up on Ambien, but much harder.

During the kissing scene between Leo and Joanne, Lumley, DiCaprio was so nervous that the scene required or reported 27 takes to get right. It's just trying to get a little closer to that, ab fab. Martin Scorsese has confirmed that some of the editing is odd on purpose, especially the scenes where one or more characters are high. Every time Jordan is seen taking drugs, the scenes that follow have continuity issues and often flow oddly.

That was interesting. I have to watch it again now. Leonardo DiCaprio's dance scene was done on the spot, but he learned it by himself over decades. I don't really know what that means. That means he just learned how to do the robot in 1989. It's an accumulation of great wedding dances. Yeah, that just means that he was good at that when he was in junior high.

And every time he... It's a real barmets for dance. Right, like the people that are closest to him in his life after a few sasperillas, he starts doing the robot. A couple of odules. But that's another smashed up music sequence there. Where it's three songs on top of each other in like a minute and a half. It's true.

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Recasting Couch. Would you recast anybody in this movie? And if so, who? I have one suggestion. Jennifer Lawrence has nailed me. Out, no. Well, I mean, you would say that. Hard no.

Carl Weathers as Jonah Hill. Right? Smoke crack with me! Takes on a different valence. I don't think it's impossible. Get back to me tomorrow. Yeah. after you've thought about it more.

The Joey Pants Award. Bo Dietl. Ethan Suppley. Uh-huh. Stephanie Kurtzuba as Kimmy Belzer. Christine Ebersol as Leah Belfort. Max Belfort's play. No.

Kenneth Choi, that's Chester Ming. He's great. PJ Byrne as Rugrat, who Ryan doesn't like. Shea Wigam is the captain. Ayakash as Janet, who I think is closer to being known as Iyakash, but not totally there.

yet. So she's in contention. Thomas Middletich as Stratton broker with the fishbowl. Yeah. Fran Libowitz as the judge. That's good. The real Jordan Belfort at the end of the movie, introducing Jordan Belford. And Stephen Cunkin, who is Ari

from Billions. Oh yeah. As the guy works underneath Markana. Yes. I thought Belfort had like a weird time with that scene at the end. Yeah. His energy is unique. Yeah. Did you notice Like, it felt like

That was the best take You think he was on Ludes? No, no. I just, I, it felt like It feels very surreal. Like someone off the street Being in a movie Trying to act.

Yeah. Where. It's like an emcee at a bad comedy club. Ooh. Yeah. And you're like, Why are we seeing this guy? And that's, oh, it's him.

But then Leo is fucking weird With the pen, you know, walking around, like, I get the impression that he's a guy who's taken all the drugs in the world, and that probably changes your brain chemistry somehow. Maybe it's affecting him in modern times.

Or maybe he was just nervous being in a movie. Could be. Yeah. They're with Marty and Leo and Spielberg possibly. Am I off on that one? Because when I remember like the first time I saw, I was like, it just seems a little choppy. It's also the end of the movie and you're like,

it kind of takes you out of it for a second. And they're doing so many different things at the end of the movie that you're also like, wait a minute, where am I right now? And like, am I, okay, all right, now I figured it out once it's sort of over. But I just, that was always something. something that jumped out of me in watching it again. Again, how smooth do I expect somebody who's never acted before to be in this level of a movie to pull that off? But he acted every day of his life for his troops, you know, his warriors, his telephone terrorists.

Well said. I'm going to go to Middle Ditch. Middle Ditch. Wow. Okay. This is, I think this was at the very beginning of Silicon Valley, right? What about for you? I was going to go Belfour.

I think Ethan Suppley is doing good work here. Yeah. Speaking of Kevin Smith. You big Kevin Smith guy? It's not trick. I'm serious. Do you like Kevin Smith? Like early Kevin Smith's stuff?

I, uh, you know, I liked clerks. I liked mall rats. Keep going. Dogma bummed me out. No. Dogma bummed you out. I thought you would be like a little bit of a dogma guy. No, Ryan.

Not correct. All right. You're off the dogma rewindables. The Linda Partridge, don't call me lady! Award for overacting. Did I not understand the Joey Pants Award? I think that's what just happened there. I don't know that's a Joey Pants Award.

Joey Pants is more of like a list. It's like just like, here are all the people that wound up being and lots of other stuff kind of thing. Got it. Got it. Because he's not in anything else. So I did get it wrong. But like, I think your point was well taken, which is like, then there's this guy in the back and it's Belfort. He's been training salespeople for the last 10 years, though, getting rich off it. I should show up to one of these seminars. You can round out your life skills. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, what are you into right now? To learn or to teach? Who knows? I mean, some of these, when I started researching life coaching, just to not because I want to be one.

I think you would be a good life coach. Oh, I think I'd be a good one too, but that's the confidence you have to have as life coach. Okay. The overacting award. I don't, you know. Reiner. Oh, wow. It's Reiner.

It's not even a question. It's Reiner. Reiner is fucking nuts in this movie. He just screams the entire time. Okay. I buy it. I think people are getting the Linda Partridge Overacting Award, formerly known as the Saul Rubenek. They stabbed me in the heart.

Hart Award. Formerly Mark Ruffalo, they knew award. It's not a critique per se. Okay, I'm not saying Rob Reiner is canceled. I'm not saying Rob Reiner didn't contribute a lot to American culture. I'm just saying in this movie, he just yells for five minutes. I like how you went full Rob Manfred

there. You were like, in the rule book, stealing signs is legal, but not in this fashion. Jim Crane's here with a couple of cops. We're just going to walk right off right now. So that's, yeah. No, no case for McConae here. No. No. Don't dare you. Kimmy a little bit.

Kimmy. Take it down a thousand, Kimmy. Yeah. Yeah. Actually, can you have any knits to pick with this movie? I don't have anything written down. And in fact, I said to our producer, Craig, when I shared him on our document, help me out. But I know Ryan does. Well, I already did the music thing.

I'm not going to keep beating it. Okay. Apex Mountain. Is it Leo's Apex Mountain? I think Django is, you know, as you were sitting here talking about, like, playing a darker character. Like, it's definitely worth revisiting that conversation. should be like look jango's a hell of a lot darker than uh his role in jango is yeah is darker than being a shithead on wall street but um you know the it's funny how like the revenant was almost

people were sort of after the fact pissed about him not having an oscar and it was like this is going to happen and the revenant is great not just because of him but the way it's shot the way the natural light stuff sure the way they were like these rules that were going to follow that must have been miserable shooting that movie but it's It's not clear enough. It's not like for me, he's so good in those other roles that I don't just sit there and be like, if somebody wanted to argue with me, hey, no, wait a minute, what he did in Django is far more impressive than what he did in Wolf of Wall Street. I just don't know if there's enough separation in the roles for me to say Apex Mountain. I think arguably you have to say that Titanic is Apex Mountain, right?

Still never seen it. It's fine. It's fine. I'm not saying that it's good. I'm saying that he's just the most popular person in the world. What about Aviator? He's incredible in that. Yeah.

It's not just about performance, though. It's about what he can do in the business. I love Body of Lies. Let's just do post the beach. These are his roles, okay? Catch me if you can. Phenomenal. Gangs of New York, I'll fight for it every day.

Right. I just wish there was a version... That he's not in? No. Without Cameron Diaz. Without the Cameron Diaz, only to be trump by a non- Sharon Stone Casino edit. Right.

But, oh my God. I mean, that movie towards the end, I'm just like, okay, I got it. It's a tumultuous relationship. You got to hold on to that take because it's way too hot for me. Aviator, The Departed, Blood Diamond, Body of Lies, Revolutionary Road, Shutter Island, Inception, Jay Edgar, which I think is the only true, true dud here. Django, Gatsby, Wolf of Wall Street, all leading up to the Revenant where he wins the Oscar. I would probably take his performance in all of those movies over the Revenant,

which is a classic Oscar thing. This is what happens. Except for Jayhager. Except for Jayhers. Or he's just in an old man suit. Inception is just, I like it so much, but it's not the intensity. Like he's playing kind of the Leo that we know in a normal role. That movie's great, I think, for other reasons than DeCappar.

I agree. So this is not. It's not for Scorsese. Bernthal? I mean, for me, yes. It might be for Jonah. Personal Apex Mountain. I noticed something on a little nitpit.

Bernthal's mugshot. I think they have him over six feet. You don't think so? You don't think so? I don't know. Have you been to him? He's listed at 511. I stood next to him at something one. Listed?

Yeah. Listed where? The NBA.com's rosters. But the Combine heights. Yeah. Dugging in shoes, flats, lifts. Best quote. This could go on for a while.

I don't want to make it going for too long. I have about 1,200 words here for best quote. How much performance to want to do it? Honestly, I don't want to do that. I will say it's the entire McConaughey jerking off speech. That's the entire one is the quote, the best quote. I myself, I jerk off at least twice a day. Wow.

Once in the morning, right after I work out, and then once right after lunch. Really? Okay. I want to. That's not why I do it. I do it because I fucking need to. Think about it. You're dealing with numbers all day long, decimal points, high frequencies, bang, bang, bang, fucking digits, all very acidic above the shoulders mustard shit.

All right? Kind of wigs some people out, right? You got to feed the geese to keep the blood flowing. I keep the rhythm below the belt. This is not a tip. This is a prescription. Trust me, if you don't, you will fall out of balance, split your differential, and tip the fuck over. What the fuck is he talking about?

I know why you like this, because this is a fake. fake Robert Downey Jr. This is what Downey does. This free associative, hyper-intelligent, but completely illogical word vomit. That's totally what Downey does in his best performances, and that's kind of what that is,

but it's great. Then I have a bunch that I feel weird repeating. We don't have to say every scumbag thing. I mean, there's a couple. Let me tell you something. There's no nobility in poverty, which is a poll from Wall Street. There is nobility in poverty.

I have been a rich man, and I have been a poor man. and I choose rich every fucking time. Those are the kinds of lines of dialogue that are weaponized in the movie, maybe to ill-gotten gains. Opening lines in the movie, my name is Jordan Belford.

I'm a former member of the middle class raised by two accountants in a tiny apartment in Bayside Queens. The year I turned 26 as the head of my own brokerage firm, I made $49 million, which really pissed me off because it was three shy of a million a week.

Sell me this pen? Famous one. So you listen to me and you listen well. Are you behind on your credit card bills? pick up the phone and start dialing. Is your landlord ready to evict you? Good. Pick up the phone and start dialing.

Does your girlfriend think your fucking worthless loser? Good. Pick up the phone and start dialing. I want you to deal with your problems by becoming rich. Man, they're so, so. One of my favorite lines is when Leo takes the hit of crack and he's like, oh! Lions and tigers and bears!

Some good stuff here. Fun coupons? fellas, look what I found in my pocket. Look, a year's salary right here. What I call them? Fun coupons. You know what? A fun coupon.

When he's throwing the money at Kyle Chandler, we didn't really rep for Kyle Chandler at all in this. Not really. I don't know. That scene had some moments in it were, but I don't know if it was the moment where you're like, why are you doing this? You're about to make it worse. Like you're this invested in the person and the story at that point where you have that, like, that just inherent reaction of like, oh, you're doing the thing that's kind of

to make it worse. Why are you going to go ahead and doing this? And the fun coupons thing just felt a little little over the top. But I was going to go with one because, I mean, obviously the Marcana stuff is what everybody wants. But when he does the speech, when he's at the Long Island place where he's doing the aerotine thing. John, one thing I can promise you, even in this market, is that I never ask my clients to judge me on my winners. I ask them to judge me on my losers because I have so few. And in the case of Aritine, based on every technical factor out there, John, we are looking at a grand slam home run. It's perfect, right? Because he's on it. He nails it. And he's just like, all of a sudden, they're like, well, this guy just came in

off the street and a better suit than us. And he is doing this in a way, like, the first guy that looks up was like, wait, this guy's got a really good way. And anybody who's ever had a cold call, like, it just sucks. Don't judge me on my winners, judge me on my losers because I have so few. Yeah. That line is so great. And I ask that you judge me. not on my winners. And the entire time he's doing all these hand gestures, like when he's like, when he's like, you finally met a broker with your best needs at heart.

You know what I mean? Like with your interests. Because they had to do, like, there's actually a part of this. Wait a minute. Like, give me the breakdown of how this guy actually did this. Like, how did you actually take this much money from this many people in such a short amount of time?

And it's something, as a writer, that you'll do this. These characters is like, well, wait a minute, if this person's great at something, can at some point you show me them being great at the thing that you're telling me that they're great at? Like, don't assume that I know that this person is great. Like, give me an example of how they were able to do this. And it's kind of an underrated, incredibly important scene to go, oh, well, this character just, he had that thing. Like, the kid who's got the lemonade stand, the kid that's marking up candy at school. Like, those kids that just see the world a little differently and monetize everything.

And DiCaprio's incredible in it. And he's great because of the reaction he's getting around him in the room, too. Like, everybody in the backdrop of that shot is as important as DeCaprio is. Yeah. I'll tell you what. I'm never eating at Benihana again, that's for sure. I don't care whose birthday it is. I can't believe that fucking guy I want to kill him.

I'm sorry to God. I don't want to choke him to death. Irresponsible, little prick. I'll tell you one thing. I'm never eating it peony again. I don't care whose birthday it is. Who's Naomi? How she doing?

I have already mentioned this, but, Oh my God, you had to deal with the golf course people, too. What a Greek tragedy, honey, oh my God. You had probably to pay them in cash with your hands. Oh, Jordan. I know you fucking wrecked this. No, you didn't research the whole thing and deal with the fucking golf course people. Oh, my God, you had to deal with the golf course people, too. What a Greek tragedy, honey.

Oh, my God. You probably had to pay them in cash with your hands. What a fucking burden. And actually do some work besides swiping my fucking credit card all day, huh? Because I can't keep them. track of your professions, honey, because last month you were a wine connoisseur, now you're an aspiring landscape architect.

Let me get that right. Go, you're fucking dead. Throw that fucking water at me. You're fucking... You pay them in cash with your hands. Great stuff. You show me a paste-up for $72,000. I quit my job right now and I work for you.

Aunt Emma, risk is what keeps us young, isn't it, darling? Also kind of a tidy tagline for the movie. You'd be ferocious, you be relentless, you'd be telephone fucking terrorists. Now let's knock this motherfucker out of the park. A lot of quotables in this movie. Any more, Chris? Massive heart attack, age 35, same age of Bozart died.

Not that they had a lot in common. I think C. Otter, who sold meat and weed, really loved that introduction of character. You're free now. Run free? That holds a scene. That's good. And I'm not going to let someone else fuck my cousin. I'll just say, and we already brought up once before,

but when Donnie's sitting there with him and he sees the ankle bracelet, and he's asking about Odules. And he's just like, go smoke some, snort some baking powder. And he's just like, you're wondering if DeCaprio is going to have this moment where he's like, hey, look, you know, this is what I need to do right now. And he's like, it sucks. Sucks, man. Could this work as a 10 episode Netflix show in 2019? No.

All right, go ahead. Well, not at this clip. Not at the, I don't think you could sustain the kind of manic energy that it has over the course of 10 episodes. You disagree. No, my first instinct when I read the to-do list for this pod, I went, well, yeah, of course, like, why not? I mean, you already have a built-in IP. You have other things that have been done in Netflix series. Like, what are we trying to do here?

But it would be a little, it's far more challenging the more I thought about it, pulling off. Okay, well, where are your 30 episodes? Like, why, what's the story arc at the end of one? When I already kind of know some of this stuff. Like, what's the part of this that branches off? Like, okay, so what, you're just fucking over clients for season one? And then what? Okay, somebody get arrested.

And then season two, I'm coming back, what? So it actually would be harder to grow this over multiple seasons. I think then unless you just decided to completely deviate from what it is. Like, sometimes when you're adapting a book. Well, you could tell it from Naomi's perspective. You could tell it from their FBI agent's perspective. Like, you could have, like, more ABC plots kind of going on. But I guess, like, part of the wonder of the movie is the, like, you're in Jordan's mind for most of this movie.

Yeah. Like, imagine going, okay, what we're going to do is we're going to take the two. less interesting storylines and develop the show around that. Like the pitch would be two seconds. They'd be like, all right, see you later. So it would be, my first instinct was like, oh, wait, people love this stuff. They love the debauchery. They love all this.

But no, no, you would need to figure out a way to build it around this, but string it out for three years. And that's always the hardest. Like, there's plenty of great ideas. Yeah. And then it's like, what's episode 30? Guys, we have billions in succession. So there is some lineage here for the Wolf of Wall Street as a TV show. But we haven't already seen the end of billions and succession.

Right. So I know I'm repeating myself. But if you're telling me, hey, creatively, this is the deviation from it, but we stay in this world. All right. Okay. Well, what is it? What is it? But it would be you need to have more depth to this.

Yeah. It's not that I don't think we can have like financial misdeed shows. It's just that like telling them like a fever dream is hard to sustain over this time, like more than like a single sitting. Well, it's a good transition to probably unanswerable questions. I feel like we've explored some of the more tricky thematic aspects of the movie. The victims properly portrayed and what they lost in the movie, should we be judging based on who likes the movie versus who understands what the movie is actually about? Are there any actual story questions that we're curious about?

We haven't gotten into Danny Porish at all, for example, who is the Donny Azov character who rejected the movie. and said that it was an dishonest account of the things that had happened and wanted his name removed from the film, which is why the name has changed to Donnie. Is there anything about the real-life machinations that you guys wonder about? I just, I mean, I think that when you get into the car turns from red to white, it's more stuff like that.

It's more stuff like the plane crashing. Did you see that? Where you start asking what in the movie is real versus not. And the same thing with like he gets home and he, you know, both there's the flight where he wakes up and he's like, Like, why am I strapped to this chair or when he wakes up and he's just like, I got home, why are these cops in my house? I drove home.

I should be fine. And you just start to see like all the stuff that from his perspective is this debauchous good time that's in fact like creating so much havoc and hell around him. So you have to wonder like you go back and you watch the movie being like, I wonder if this is quote unquote happened even though within I'm like I'm less concerned about like whether or not it's accurate. It's more about whether or not like what you're seeing on screen is actually what's happening.

There's so many times where you can be like, oh, wait a minute, would, would that make sense? Or would she stick around? I mean, even the real life, Marga Robbie said, hey, you know, like, I wasn't equipped to deal with an addict at this age. And I was simply trying to protect my family. And that's not, that's not a hard thing to believe. It isn't. Like, I think sometimes we'll watch these things from afar and you were like, why would the

person stay or what happens? I mean, again, this is based on a true story. And she talked a lot about it in some of the research I did on her. And think about all the people that, you know, hopefully you don't know too many people. But there's always someone you know or relative or something like that where you're like, that dynamic is really messed up. Yet they're still always trying to figure it out, even when everybody around them is rooting against it. So there aren't people who are easily scammed financially.

We know that. We know that guys, once you start to do like, this is always a little weird. talk about. But like, I always think about the guy that later on in life decides to start going down this road. And it's like, what's that gateway activity? Sure. Where all of a sudden, you're willing to, like, risk your family, risk everything. But some of these guys that become, he was rich young. So I think Belfort, no matter what, was going to, you know, test the limits here. But older guys that you're like, man, look at, look at how great everything would be on the surface. Like, how are you allowing yourself to be in these situations. Well, it starts a little bit of this, starts a little texting. Right.

You know, then it's like a, you know, next thing, you know, I'm at a bar last call and she's here and, you know, maybe I'm not supposed, you know, and then it's okay, well, it's just, we're fighting now. And it's just, you know what I mean? You're saying like, it's, it's really easy to, to question some of the stuff, but like, how could it be this out of control? But I think this is kind of how it goes for people who just decide they're going to push the limits. I feel like you're on the brink of a confession. Ryan, did you kill a guy? You can tell us right now.

No, luckily, I, you know, not being married, I don't feel like I'm going down some road here that I'm, I just always like looking. It's just us here. You can tell us what you feel. I just think that there are guys that five years after the first thing that they didn't think was a big deal, five years later, they're like, how the fuck did I end up here? Yes. How do I have two families and two. homes in two states.

So if you're watching this going, I don't know about that. No. I think this was just a very lucrative version of an American tale we've heard over and over again. And the truth is that you can people get away with as much as they can afford to get away with. And he could afford everything. He could afford a divorce. He could afford covering up. He could afford refurbishing the Mirage 27th floor.

He could afford everything. So there is no consequences if you can afford it. I don't think any woman starts off being like, I'm going to be okay with prostitutes. but as long as it's not in my front of my face. And then next thing you know, you're getting into arguments with your husband about, you know, prostitutes. Plus, if you and your husband come home

and find the bachelor having an orgy, the butler having an orgy like those guys do. I was like bachelor. You're playing in a different playground. Yeah, you're playing in a different playground. Let's wrap this up. Who won the movie? Leo.

McConaughey. Wow. I'm going to say Scorsese. One, because I always said the director, because I feel like they're the author of the whole project. Two, because it was a reminder that he was like, I'm not fucking done yet. You just explained Oter's theory like you were John Wayne, the director is the author of the whole project. Well, bully for me, then, I guess.

Scorsese's movie before this is Hugo, which is probably my least favorite movie he ever made. And it felt like him trying to do something different in a later stage of his life. And this feels more like, you know what, I just got to be who I am. I got to be, I got to do that. I got to fire the shotgun sometimes. And this is every blast at the biggest caliber. Like, it is every move he's got in his book and purposefully overdoing it to make us see.

All the things that Ryan's talking about, that, like, people will push the limits as far as they can and not even realize they're doing it until they're right in the middle of the worst possible situation. And it's just, it's amazing to watch. That said, Wakane, incredible movie, Leo, incredible in the movie.

Any closing thoughts on The Wolf of Wall Street? I just can't believe years later, we found out that this became, this movie that was such a rare way to be able to tell. Like, it just seems incredible that in 2000, whatever, that we still would have people telling Scorsese what he can and can't do in a movie.

Yeah. And what version of this movie would we have today if it wasn't for a Malaysian kid stealing billions of dollars? Shout out to him. Did J-Lo win the movie? Shout out to Red Granite. I think we can firmly say that they did not. For Chris Ryan and Ryan Morrow. I'm Sean Fenzie.

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