The Rewatchables - ‘Tin Cup’ With Bill Simmons, Joe House, and Craig Horlbeck

Episode Date: September 16, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Joe House, and Craig Horlbeck pull out the 3-wood to clear the water after revisiting the 1996 classic ‘Tin Cup,’ starring Kevin Costner, Rene Russo, Don Johnson, and Cheech Marin. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Ronak Nair, and Chia Hao Tat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Craig Horlbeck. You can find him in the Winger Fantasy Football Show. He has produced this podcast for most of the 399 movies that we've done. This is movie number 399. And we have a special wrinkle. Executive producing today's podcast, Jacko. Yeah. Me and House's buddy from college.

You've heard about my podcast many times. You're going to just chime in like Gilman on Regis and Cathay. It's a dream come true. I always wanted to be Gilman. It's finally coming true. It's fantastic. This is going to be an unbelievable rewatchable. Wells. Tin Cup is next.

Tin Cup, 1996, Kevin Costner. A very, very good sports movie. It's very flawed. It has a controversial ending. Ron Shelton, who did Bull Durham. He did White Man Kenjup, did a bunch of other movies than Tin Cup.

This is like his big trilogy. He said to Premier Magazine in 1996, the key in making a sports movie is that you have to make it accessible to a person who hates the sport. but you also have to make the guy who knows the sport inside out say they got it right so they do that house and tin cup with golf i think so there is enough of the ring of truthiness to the to the way the golf is presented um especially with the infrastructure this the the cbs stuff is amazing i mean jim nance is is you know next level Ken Venturi's next level.

It's almost like two movies. When we get to the actual U.S. Open, it turns into a different movie and I'm here for it. Yeah, it's long enough to be two movies. I don't know why this movie is two hours and 15 minutes, but the last hour is just all the U.S. Open, which is fantastic.

I thought I was the time-length police, and Craig is like, you've taken it. You're like the 2.0 version of it. This movie, there's a lot of bloat. There's a lot we could probably shave off, but the last hour, hour, 15, when they get to the U.S. Open is great. I, funnily, I had never seen this movie

until two weeks ago before you told me we were doing it. I was on vacation with my in-laws, and I watched it one night in an Airbnb with my two brothers-in-law. We love golf. We honestly came away with the movie, and we were like, okay, maybe swing and a miss. You know, this is a bogey, double boge of a film.

Double bogey. And then, I mean, I think once I read, watching it upon, watching it the second time, I like it way more. Yeah, I like it way more. Second time, it's a different movie. Because I think I thought originally the movie was going to be a lot more serious.

And it's pretty goofy and whimsical. And once you kind of know that's coming, the second time around, you can kind of sit back, relax, enjoy it. But I had no idea just how ridiculous this movie was going to be going in. I mean, we'll talk about the 12 now, even though it's in the rewatchable scene category,

but the decision not to lay up on the last hole. The first time you say, I just remember being enraged in the theater. It's like this would never happen. I don't like that they did this. He should have either just eagled it in one or hit it in the water. demanded to drop it there, then hit it again and maybe

knocks it in from there, some sort of sports movie thing. I think they were intentionally zagging house against what we expected from it. But now 29 years later, I kind of like it. It's like in its own area of sports movies that it's such a radical decision to have him not win and to play it the way they did it.

I don't mind it. We've had that. You and I are in our mid-50s now. We've seen a thousand sports movies. This is one of the only ones that zagged. Big balls on Ron Shelton for sticking to his guns because apparently, you know, folks in Hollywood wanted the happy ending and no less than authority on golf than President Donald Trump accosted Shelton and said to him, hey, you would have made a lot more money if you just had the guy win the tournament at the end.

That was the entirety of the interaction between Shelton and President Trump. That was not a recent interaction. No, no. This was a number of years ago. But he's, you know, I'm sure he probably still feels the same way. The thing is, it's really one of those movies. Every time you watch it, there's this alternate sliding doors of what happens if he just eagles and gets the 10? And we have the heroic sports movie ending.

What happens if he hits him in the water? You're like, oh, my God, he fucked it up. Oh, my God. He's dropping it there. He's melting down. But then he hits it and he wins. What happens if he pars it? and we go to a playoff hole.

I don't know what the right answer is all these years later. I still like the 12, but I think there is an alter universe where he just wins the U.S. Open and maybe it's a better movie. It's the right ending for this movie. It's also the right ending for golf. All normal golfers,

we can relate to this? Right. It's the most relatable thing to be like, can I hit this? Can I hit this 237 with my three? With fuck it, I'm going to go for it. Right. You know, so I feel like golf is really good.

I think golf is the best sport for a sports movie. Yeah. Because football, basketball, baseball, there's like the play and then there's what's going on in between the plays. Golf is fun because you can be talking and listening and there's so much going on just during. There's banter. There's banter. It's the best. There's interactions going on.

The house is going to get a bonner. The entire time. Well, I know. Kevin Koster's walking around with a walk man. Yeah. He's out there. I don't think that's legal, but he, you know, they did it. But I like what Craig's describing in terms of that relatability.

I mean, under the circumstances, It says it was preposterous. It's a, you know, you're tied for the lead in the U.S. Open and, you know. Well, that's why we have Carl Malone, Patrick Ewing, and David Robinson, who did win a title. Jacko has a clad Drexlerglass, but we're all in honor of Roy McAvoy. Coming up close, no cigar. I guess Robinson eventually won with Tim Duncan. But yeah, it's preposterous.

It's so preposterate. Well, we'll dive into it when we do the rewatchable scene. But Molly says at one point, this is without a doubt the stupidest, silliest, most idiotic. grotesque remasterating as a game that has ever been invented. And Roy says, yes, man, that's why I love it. This is why I wanted to make you watch it again and do the pot with us. Because it's really a love letter to golf. Yes.

And it's not about the fancy part of golf. It's about, like Shelton even talks about this. It's about the dudes who wait at five in the morning to play some public force. It's about how ridiculous and stupid golf is. And why do we do it? Yeah, because it's the best. Because you're into it. I love golf, golf all the time.

And houses, like, it's all I cares about it. No, I care about it. Jacka, what's your relationship to golf? I play a couple times a year. I like playing in tournaments. There's a couple tournaments I've playing with some guys, and it's like best ball. Like celebrity pro-ans?

Yeah, sort of that type of thing. I'm like a hack, but some of my friends are good. But I'll hit a shot or two, and that really kind of gets you into it. Like, you hit one or two good shots around. You're like, I could really play this game. I know. And then I shank one off my foot, and I'm like, I really can't play this game, but that's the beauty of it, right?

With the good ones, does a tuning fork go off in your loins? The good thing about golf is, it's a sport you can participate in while drinking. So that's right up my eye. I like that, too. So, you know, you're not going to play basketball and have a couple beers on the bench, but golf, it's part of the game, really.

There's a good sports movie inside this movie, but they wanted to be a romance too much. That's why there's so much going on outside of it, but just the golf aspect of this movie is really good. The him versus David Sims thing. All of that is great. Here's what's happening, because this is 96. We've finished that whole first air sports movies,

which we've done a bunch of on the rewatchables. And now we're moving into this new era in the mid-90s of the next level of a sports movie. Because Jared McGuire comes out the same year as this. Happy Gilmore comes out the same year as this. It's like, all right, we've all done the underdog thing. We've done the Raging Bull, that type of movie. Now what's the sports movie with the Love Bowl underdog trying to triumph?

But it's also a rom-com. Yeah. It's also something the husband and wife can go to or the boyfriend and girlfriend together. It's a date movie. And there's a lot of these. And there's this like Renaissance of Sports Movies right here from, I would say, 95 through 040, and there's a million of them.

This is when Varsity Blues and given Sunday there's a bunch that we've already done. So I think that's what they're going for. And it's like there's a Bull Durham. You know, obviously Ron Shelton and Koster did.

How do you make Crash Davis different than Roy McAboy, but it's still Kevin Costner. Have you not done Bull Durham on rewatchable? Been saving it. It's one of the ones we've saved. I wanted to use it as the cheat code for this because I wanted to hear the panels

take on Ron Shelton in advance of this. So I'm into my, the Google machine trying to find the rewatchables Bulldural. Hasn't happen yet. Hasn't happened yet. You know what else hasn't happened? Is Kevin Costner unequivocally the sports movie goat? Is it just like a rap or do other people have arguments?

Here's his, so he does American Flyers, which I thought we did un-re-watchables. I just think CR and I have talked about it for so long I felt like we did it. But really good cycling movie in the mid-80s. Bull Durham, Field of Dreams, Tin Cup, for love of the game. draft day and McFarland USA which is like secretly not a bad

Disney movie but that's and he's done some other stuff too but that's seven sports movies different sports some iconic ones in there who is his competition I agree

who's in second place I'm trying to think right I agree it goes sideways fast you get Dennis Quaid with breaking away the rookie any given Sunday tough enough

everybody's all American in the Express not even close but not solid resume he should be proud yeah very good you also play dick meal in a movie, I think.

Okay. James Earl Jones, Field of Dreams, Bingo Long, Sandlot, and Great White Hope has four good ones, but he doesn't have the depth. Sandler's in the mix.

It's just they're all comedic, but he's Happy Gilmore, Hustle, The Waterboy, Longest Yard remake, and Happy Gilmore, too. He's at least, like, has to be mentioned. The one that falls through

the cracks here is Wesley Snipes. Because he was Major League, White Man Can Jump, the fan, undisputed, Wildcats play to the bone. He's inside a couple of bad ones. And then our guy Woody Harrelson, white man can't jump,

kingpin wildcats. Denzel had a couple. He got game in the hurricane. Remember the Titans, Paul Newman, Matt Damon. But it's funny. It's clearly Costa.

It's not even an argument. And what's cool about his career, like he shoots a 62 in the U.S. Open in this movie. He pitches a perfect game in Yankee Stadium. He wins the hell in the West and American Flyers. Like, he does like some big-ass things.

But I don't know. What is it about Costa? Why was he so believable? He's a good athlete, first of all. He's handsome. He's athletic enough to get away with every sport. Yeah. He looks pretty good.

I know he got trained by the pro that this movie is loosely based on. Yeah, Gary McCord. I thought his swing was pretty good. I agree. Do you want to do this now? Well, we might end up there. The background for Costner is that he hadn't played very much golf in his life up to the conversation with Shelton. Like, would you be interested in being the guy?

Yeah. Just general athlete. I can do anything. But right, he apparently connected with Gary McCord a full year in advance. Gary McCord and Peter Costas, who were both sort of legendary CBS broadcasters. Costas was a teacher proper, a proper golf teaching pro. And he, together with McCord, helped Costner get a swing that I honestly think it's credible. It's a credible golf team.

I think it gets better throughout the movie. In the first scene, I was a little skeptical because they were kind of some magic cuts. Yeah. It would be like, you'd see his takeaway, and then it would cut to the follow-through without seeing contact with the ball. And I was like, oh, I don't know about this. And I feel like throughout the movie, they started to really just sit on him. A lot of the shots that he's hitting like 150 out under the green, that's him. It looks like it.

You can see it. The research says that like. Yeah, there's no CGI. Nothing. He's hit like an 8-iron 150 yards onto the green. They said he had like not a full swing, which, by the way, coincidentally is same for me. And they just were like, instead of trying to change his swing, he actually had a really good three-four swing. So they wrote into the script that part about

I love that. Oh, it's the wind, you got to like hit it, which by the way, it doesn't make sense. Well, no, no, that is the kind of, if you want to fight the ball lower, you do have a swing that stops, you know. If you were a good pro, you would have both swings. If you were a good pro, you would have every kind of sense.

But I like how they wrote that in a mid-sense. For a guy who's hitting distance, theoretically, you need a long follow-through. Him just stopping short doesn't make sense for him hitting him. One of the things I saw was that in post-production, they sped up the swing. swing, that he in real life swings slower and was swinging slower as he filmed it, but they applied some speed to give a little more that athletic enhancement.

I tried to do that with your ad reads on Fairway Rowland. I sped them up to one three. I don't know. Nobody told you, right? FF. Fast forward. Yeah, yeah. Another thing about Costner, he just finished Waterworld.

Ooh. Checo. Oh, boy. A movie I've not seen. Yeah, because he had already had, I don't remember when the postman came out, but Waterworld was like this legendary, this is, as we've talked about many times in this pod,

the height of movie journalism about movies and people writing about shit in the sets and premiere magazines in the peak. And Waterworld's like, oh, my God, they're still in the ocean. The director got fired. This is going to ruin his career. So Costner said,

he didn't want to do any movie. He was going through a divorce. He just finished the longest movie shoot in history. The average movie films for 40 to 60 days, I had just done 157 days on Waterworld. I was really low. I was down.

My heart was in the ground. I was all wet. And he was still wet. And then Shelton basically is like, come on, dude. He's like, hey, what if we pay you to learn how to play golf for six months? He's like, we'll be outside. We'll get some cute girlfriend for you. Yeah, that's my question.

I want to ask this. I haven't seen this in the research. I'll just pose it to the panel. Do you think that when he learned that Renee Rousseau, as he's going through his divorce, that Rousseau is going to be... I think she was married at that point, though. He's probably suggesting a bunch of single actresses.

He's like, what about Jennifer Aniston? Could she do it be a sports psychologist? He said that Shelton wrote in the script thing, the swing thing, to make that more realistic. The thing that he nailed the most, he nailed the demeanor of being a golfer, but he was really good at the I made a big shot, hold the put up.

The club up is just the coolest move. And it's a hard one to pull off. Like if we did it, I'm not sure it looks cool, but when he does it, it looks really cool. And he also did when he shoots the 62, and he does the same move

for love of the game, but he just has little athlete tricks, even though he's not an athlete. I think he got some pointers on that from the golf folks. They wanted to lend that authenticity in terms of like, here's how a golfer would do it kind of thing. He did have some douche quotes in the research about golf that I don't know if you saw.

It was basically like, I mean, I could have played golf, but you're out there four or five hours a day. Like, I don't want to spend my days like that. Like kind of shitting on golf. Don Johnson played all the time. He was like an eight handicapped. Oh, really? And, yeah, and.

I thought Costner swing was better than Don Johnson. Oh, that was how this hot take. I didn't even feel like that was hot. was that hot of a take. I agree. Now, part of the thing is, I have the defense for this later. If in post-production,

they did anything to Don Johnson's way. That's fair. If they were speeding up Costner swing, that's one thing. But I thought they were cutting around Don Johnson more than they were Costner. So apparently in the research, they changed Don Johnson's swing,

so it seemed more like a PGA swing. Oh. And he was mad about it because he liked his swing, but he was like, all right, fine. Oh, because he had like a quirky personal swing that they wanted to correct. Yeah, but he was like cranking it. So he liked his other swing.

Yeah. And that one didn't work. House, here's one for you. Oh, Jacko, you enjoy this as well. Good, good. Are you having a good time, Jacko? I'm 100%. You're doing a good job, executive producing.

Doing a fine job. Tell him how to switch cameras. I'm working the board here. Yeah. Camera three. Number three. 1996, most important golf here ever. Tigers.

Right? Here we, here's 96. Yeah. Oh, I got houses full attention. I mean, I think I, that was like an espresso shot. I can anticipate something. anticipate some of this, so I'm looking forward to it. Happy Gilmar comes out of February.

The most beloved golf movie, other than maybe Katashak ever made. But it's those two in the finals. The Faldo Norman Masters is in April. The most traumatic golf event of our life, which is funny because the real-life tin cup comes out. The real-life tin cup by Norman basically. Literally, is there been, I think that was the most traumatic sports event ever. Without question. Golf-wise, certainly.

Like, Faldo won that. You know what happened in that. There is an argument for the guy, the Frenchman, who had a, you know, multi-shot. We had way more ties to Greg Norman. He had been the guy for 10 years. Like he was, Greg Norman was basically. The best golfer in the world who had never won the big one. Yeah, was he like basically like Bryson level of Bryson never won?

Like one of those like big, big South African, big swing, had all the talent. He's Australian. Australian, I mean. South Africa. My first mistake. This is great to have Jacko here. It's like, correct. I'm like Australian.

I'd be jump on the mic. But he melted down in the 86 Masters. Like he famously helped. But he could never get over the hump. And then by the time we got to this, it was basically like, what's his face now, Tommy Fleetwood. Yes. Where you're just like, he's got a lead with four holes left. You know he's going to blow it.

I mean, you know, Norman career-wise, much more accomplished than Fleetwood. I mean, that's why. So he has the Masters. he's up by multiple strokes and falls apart. On the 18th. No, on the back night. All Sunday. Yeah.

Like legendary. Yeah. Nick Fado came back from six strokes to win the first. So Fado wins. It's so awful that Fado wins. He doesn't even celebrate and he just walks over to Norman and hugs him. It's like, yeah, it's like guilty. Anyway, that happened.

Tiger wins his third straight U.S. amateur, which had never happened, the three Pete, and he's about to turn pro. Tiger signs with Nike. completely changes cough. Tinkup comes out in August. Tiger launches his PGA career that summer as well, wins his first PGA event, and we're off.

Golf is now reset. We have pop culture in place. We have the Nike thing. We're about to have the boom, and Tiger blows up the next year. I'm making the case. I don't know if I'm right. I think you're right.

I mean, the... It's definitely a shift because you can see it in this movie. Yes. The guys that have in this movie, it's like, hey, there's Billy Mayfair. There's John Cook. Like these guys were not stars. Yeah.

And it just felt like young Mickelson was in there. Yeah, gambling. You know who was the number one? Who won the U.S. Open? It was the number one golfer in 1996. This makes my point. The immortal Tom Lehman. How many Tom Lehman combos have you had?

Nicholas won his last senior PGA this year, too. 96. Also, the golf movie didn't really continue after the late 90s. The early 2000s into the 2010. Imagine a bagger of Vance. Killed it. Killed it. Yeah.

Yeah. Seven days of utopia is out there. There's a handful, but they're not. I agree with you that there should be more of them. Yeah. I think it's one of the easier... It's easy to film. Yeah.

Like I said, you can have characters interacting and talking and doing things while the sport is being played. It's the easiest to kind of cut around. It's probably the easiest to shoot. Surprise there's not more. I always thought the layup idea for a golf movie that, and I think I might even written this. I was sitting there was somebody like basically almost like a... I'm trying to think like a Michael Vick type character. Like somebody that would be more in football and basketball,

but comes in and it's almost like the movie Entourage. And it's like this culture clash with the PGA tour. Because we never really had anything like that. I always thought that would have been fascinating to just put that kind of athlete into the tour for a movie idea. It's like a serious version of Happy Gilmore almost. Yeah, never happened. Yeah, Happy Gilmore is the silly version of it.

Ron Shelton, so he has those big three. so wrote blue chips and great white hype did Blaze, Cobb, played the bone, had like a 12-year run. Just basically it was like, I want to do a golf movie and had his partner, this guy, John Norville, was a co-writer with him. They had a producer

Gary Foster, and they're just like, what can we do? What can we do? So apparently in the 93 Masters, this guy named Chip Beck, who was a grippit and ripet guy, he laid up on the par 5th, 15th hole during the final round.

trailing by three shots and it became a big deal that he laid up even though he lost the thing and they were like this is an idea what if we could create a movie around a guy who never lays up

and they go he's like shout and said his flaws he can't lay up he's incapable of laying up and that was it and then the other thing was trying to figure out how do we make this

a blue collar golf movie not like a new Voreish golf movie which is usually how people attack golf they usually do like the outsiders Who doesn't fit in? Well, the mid-90s, for sure, that was a much larger task than now.

Golf's more accessible now. I'm not going to, you know, go through a whole version of why. It's definitely more diverse than it was. It's more diverse and more accessible that it was in 1996. So the 12 had roots in, ironically, Gary McCord at the 1986 St. Jude FedEx. Who can forget that one? Needed a birdie to win the tournament, Jacko. Kept reaching the hazard and ended up, I think, with a 15.

Wow. And they filed that one away as well. Rene Rousseau. I made this case on a previous podcast. I like Craig's reaction when you just said, Ray Rousseau. You didn't know where you were going. Best 1990s of any actress. I made this case in a previous rewatchful.

The best 90s of any actress. Oh, my goodness. Julia Roberts? This is a hot take right here. From 89 to 99, Major League, Lethal Weapon 3, Free Jack, in the line of fire, Outbreak, Get Shorty, Tinkup, Ransom, Lethal Weapon 4, Thomas Crown Affair. A lot of doubles. Julia has like two homers and outs.

Just like, just double plays and K's. Yeah, I texted Bill, watching it the second time, I texted both you saying, one of you is going to need to kind of describe to me the Renee Russo case. There's been a couple era-dependence. actresses that I don't know have translated different errors. So she's in her 40s in this one. She's a little bit in the Sean Young category.

Yeah, you didn't get the Sean Young thing either. No. She's a little older in this movie than during the beginning of her run, but she was like a model in her 20s and converted to being an actress. Yeah. And just was in everything. I think her superpower was always she could connect with whoever she was with in a movie,

but felt attainable to basically anyone in the movie. One of those? I love her. I love her. You're in. And I think what you just said is absolutely on the money. And I think that this movie could have been a disaster. Like, part of the challenge with the ROM part of it, the romantic part of it, is like, we're using sensibilities.

My man, Kevin Koster, has his hands on her within the first 15 minutes of having known her. But there is a magnetism that is apparent. and there is a connection between the two of them, and I believed it right away. Jacko, can you think of another actress who could have romanced in a movie, Clint Eastwood, Mel Gibson, Kevin Costner, Pierce Brosden,

Mel Gibson, John Chibolta and Dustin Hoffman? That's a murderer's row right there. That's a murderer's row. That's a tough one. No, not off the top of my head. No, I can't think of one. She was like, Cruz, too big of a mountain to climb. Can't do it.

I kind of draw the line at Chibolta. That's as far as all good. But you love Renee Russo too. I do, yeah. Maybe Craig is too young to appreciate Renee Russo. Maybe it had to be our age, like, you know. There's not her type, I don't know if that exists now. Who's the Renee Russo of right now?

I don't know. She looks great. She's ubiquitous. She was ubiquitous in this era. So who else? Like, who has this number of fit? Is it Jennifer Lawrence? Like, you know, that would be.

They make this movie now, Jennifer Lawrence is the sports psychologist. I would go in that direction personally. Yeah, I would prefer. I would love Jennifer Lawrence. Yeah. See money. Poor Renee Russo. Well, hold on to your seat for this quote.

I'll give you two choices for who said it. It's either Jacko or Costner. Ron Cass Broads. And I say broads is a term deermint. A girl who can hang with guys and make everybody feel like they have a chance even when they don't. And Costner's like, that's why Renee Russo is great. Do we need to bring Broads back into the Lexxon?

I'm going to say no. It feels like it's now taking on a little bit of a derogatory feel. I would say so. I would never refer to women like that, Bill. I can't believe you put me as one of the possible choices. I like what Costa's like, and I say bronze is a term of endearment. Okay. Speaking of endearment, Don Johnson.

As you know, one of my all-time favorites. At the tail line of his Miami Vice is 84, this is 96. He's starting to move. He's going to be in Nash Bridges soon on CBS. good friends with Don Johnson and Koster, good friends in real life. Johnson was supposed to be Elliot Ness in the Untouchables and couldn't do it because of Miami Vice. And Koster got the job, and Koster's career took off. They stayed friends.

I thought he was a really believable PGA golfer. The hair, the demeanor, the way he carries himself, the accent. It's just, he nailed it. impeccable. And I love the wardrobe choices as well, like super on point. Some of the research I saw suggested that it was supposed to be Alec Baldwin in the first place, but they had some pregnancy difficulty. Kim, Basie was stepping on a very important category called casting what ifs. And it's just a complete breach of the podcast. Oh, I misunderstood. Craig knows. We're talking about how scenario to this format. We're going to keep it in as a cautionary tale to future

host. Layup next time. Layup house. Don't go for the green and two with a casting what if in the opening. Don Johnson looked great. The Infinity visor looked great. Amazing. I honestly thought he was pretty likable. Chill guy throughout the whole movie. They kind of just add that one scene to turn him in. To make him a dick. Yeah, it was like the studio gave him the note. You had to find some reason to root against him. I was kind of rooting for him halfway through. I like that. I like the Jad de Loris. Like, why did he go out of his way to go find Roy to be his caddy. That's a solid. He's not treating Roy as a dick. Yeah.

I mean, you know, yes, it is you're saying be my caddy, but there's a method to the madness. He knows Roy's in tough straits. Yeah. And also, why would he accommodate his girlfriend going to Roy for lessons? Has it ever apparent that, is that a behind

the back thing? It's a big nitpick. Inexplicable love triangles in movie history. Movie history. I get sports movie history. Sports movie history. I I understand, I guess, like, if she's not telling Don Johnson who she's getting lessons from, that's fine. But once he finds out, him just allowing that to continue after he watched Costa put his hands all over her hip.

He's there at the second lesson. That was the second. We're supposed to believe that's the second lesson. They had a 12-minute first lesson. You hit one good ball. Lessons over. Pay up, please. Second lesson.

Oh, I'm late. I'm 20 minutes late to the lesson. Let me see you swing. Oh, now let's talk about your personal life. Oh, I mean, you know, his hands are all over and then Don Johnson's there. He's spooning her. Costner is spooning her upright. And Don Johnson goes easy, buddy.

He's there. He's there. He's there. He's there. He's there. He's there. The super handsy, inappropriate, alcoholic guy is the hero. Can I ask you a question that was just raised by something House said,

why didn't she just go to Don Johnson to learn to play golf? I had that in Nipix as well. Anybody in his entire orbit. Entourage. He is a PGA professional. He's like a major quality professional golfer. Right. Would you be upset if your wife went to Danny Hyfitz for podcasting advice? And you found out she was secretly meeting with him?

I'd be furious, especially if Hyfitz was Hansy. Well, part of the challenge for me also is why is she in Salome, Texas? What pushed her? Or why is... How's he's taking three nitpicks and a casting one-up off the board? Blending it all together. Why is David Sims dating a woman who lives in this random area of Texas? Yeah, and what's her sports psychology business looking like in West Texas where like it's just a bunch of people work for driving range.

We're like to believe that David Sims is the top five golfer in the world, right? They give us that impression. He has the, he's the first round leader of the U.S. Open. Yeah, isn't he like flying from tournament to tournament? Yeah, and he's dating this one. He has a tiny job outside of El Paso, Texas.

Yeah. He's supposed to be from Houston. Yeah. But why have a girlfriend in Salome? Because he's a good guy. It's a good guy. Jacko knows how much I love Don Johnson because you were there as I forced you to watch Miami Vice episodes.

Oh, I like Miami Vice. He didn't force me, but yeah, you had all the Miami Vices recorded and you would play them over and over. That's one of the most controversial moments of the rewatchfuls is we did two episodes of Miami Vice. We did a TV movie, yeah. Controversial for who? I thought it was glorious for movie fans everywhere. It was great. This movie has 35 PJ golfers cameos, including a very young skinny Phil Mickelson, who we'll get to later.

The Walrus Craig Stadler, Johnny Miller, Corey Pavin, Fred Couples, Peter Jacobson. All the CBS people are there. And House's guy, George Michael, the sports machine. Do you know what sports machine was? I don't. So it was a half-hour sports highlight show that started in House's neck of the woods, DC. NBC Channel 4.

And they started syndicating. It was Sunday night, and they would just show highlights. And it was basically like Sports Center on ESPN or this. And I used to like the sports machine because they would show wrestling every once in wrong. They'd be like, let's go to them. Yeah, George was an earlier adopter. of wrestling. And I think his show preceded SportsCenter?

He might have even, you're right, he might have been ahead of it. But he would, they do like blue, it's like now bloopers and you just see like a baseball park and hitting the balls. It's great TV.

Yeah, in the 80s? We were starving for any sports. Yeah, it was great to see him. A couple golf things from this movie. Just a pure feeling is a well-struck golf shot. I agree with that.

You play golf. You can shoot a 1-10, but those two are just like, it's just perfect. That's why you walk away. Sex and golf are the two things you don't have to be good at to enjoy. Not bad. Yeah.

How about fantasy football? I would throw that in there. Because at the beginning of fantasy football, you think you have a shot, just like on the first team. You know, anybody can pick a fantasy football team. Yeah. That's funny.

Eating? Eating. You don't have to be good at eating? No. How is one good or bad? Like you could be a bad eating. bad eater. Can eat bad food.

Well, I mean, Jacko, anything else you don't have to be good at to enjoy? I can't think of anything off the top of my head. I'll come back to you if you come up with one. All right. All right. I'll think of that.

What about pooping? Is that? I'm not sure that's, you can rate that. I'm not sure that's rateable. Like eating and pooping. I'm not sure that's rating. Fine.

You can't rate those. Capien. All right. Greatness Courts failure, Romeo. Like that one. Good one for Josh Allen to remember. There's a couple good philosophical golf. lines.

Yeah, that shot was a defining moment when a defining moment comes along. You define the moment or the moment defines you. I like that one as well. 45 million dollar budget made 75 million. Roger Ebert. Ooh, what's Roger think? Didn't love it. Three stars.

Oh, really? Three stars. I think he liked Renee Russo. He said, Tin Cup is well written. The dialogue is smart and fresh. And when Tin Cup and Molly are talking to each other, they savour the joy of language. The movie is strong and supporting characters. He likes story.

He thought it was a little bloated like Craig did. You know. It's what was the one we did the other day that was 90 minutes? You were over the moon excited about it. Oh, we didn't do it. We were looking at a movie that was 90 minutes. And you were like, 90 minutes. Oh, man, in and out.

That's what you need. Segal's catalog, Craig really enjoyed from doing the, like 92, 94. What did Siskel think of it? We've never mixed it. in Cisco. Cisco has some hot takes. Cisco is zagged in ways that gives them no credibility for the rewatchables. But we're going to take a break

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Molly's first lesson when she's got all those devices. He does the poem about the golf swing, the explanation of the unfinished follow through. And then Roy's theory in a golf swing, gaining control of your life and letting go at the same time. You agree with that? You play a lot of golf.

I love it. I love that whole. you know, 11 minutes or whatever it is. That interaction between the two of them, it's a wonderful introduction to who he is, where she's coming from. She arrives with nothing but question marks. I'm like, what?

Why is she dressed like that? She is super hot. Why does she find this guy? Why is she dressed like that? Why can't everyone dress like that? The chemistry starts. Chemistry is there. She hits one ball.

That's the Renee Russo superpower, though. always has great chemistry with whoever the leading man is. And I like, when you can have chemistry with Travolta, you're really pulling it off. It's not like an extensive list. I do like a lot of Costner's lines about golf. You can tell he's like a guy, the character of Roy, all he does is think about golf.

He's like weirdly philosophical and poetic for such kind of like a hillbilly. But you do buy it and it does reflect how people think about golf. It's the most frustrating and beautiful sport. That's the thing. it Shelton and who is the other writer, Norville, Norva? Yeah, and Gary, those guys are golf hit nuts. They're sickos, and that's what came through. They used Costner, McAvoy,

to be the voice that articulates that golf sicko. Roy Caddy's for Sims. Very enjoyable scene. Great laying up versus going in a conundrum. We established that. We get the walrus, Craig Stadler, coming in hot, making beds. Tremendous. we get Phil Mickelson

young making bets how fucking funny was that talk about what's age the best Phil Beckleson getting action on something that was not the last time for Phil maybe that's where he got a taste for it is it what's this gambling thing

the set of tin cup I love when he says 13 years on the tour you're still a pussy yeah great stuff Sims fires him and then we get the sports machine in that section Roy tries to qualify

as another scene where he breaks all his clubs uses the seven iron for the last seven holes shoots 65 That would be a great real life tournament is if golfers had to

pick one club and play around against one another What would your club be? People do that and in fact there is a tournament out there called

the tin cup that you have to go play the whole thing with the seven iron Oh really? Yeah, that's out there would that be the club you picked?

I understand the versatility of it. I personally would take a hybrid because I can put with a hybrid and chip with the hybrid but I understand. So you can drive with a hybrid?

Yeah, I can hit a hybrid off a team decent enough. I love the seven iron. Yes, and it's one of the things that keeps me coming back on golf courses. Yeah. Seven iron is great, great club.

I like when he says, what was my best shot? Was it the seven iron on 12? What was it, seven iron on 13? He just keeps saying seven iron. Roy versus Sims when they make the bet and Sims does the trick on him.

And she says, why do men insist on measuring their, Which I got to say, that trick where Sims hits the ball down the road and out drives McAvoy, that's kind of a main character. That's a protagonist thing to do, you know? I was like, that was a pretty cool move. Craig loves David Sims. He does.

They should have gave that to McAvoy. He didn't stand over here. Roy qualifies with the double bogey blues, which wins the Kid Cuddy Pursuit of Happiness Award, Best Needle Drop. Jack, I was looking around on Spotify for the entire soundtrack. track. Tin Cubs soundtrack had some bangers. You love the sex song. We're doing sex right now.

It's going to be all night. It's going to be all night. I'm giving you some sex. Plus there's another song where he's like, he tells her he loves her and he goes to the driving, his driving range and they have like a classic 90s montage thing. And there was some music playing in that one. That was a good one too.

Yeah. A couple of bangers on that soundtrack. I'm going to look at the 90s. I don't know how Cheryl Crow wasn't involved. Chris Isaac's in there at one point. Great point. Yeah, the Roy getting laid song is called This Could Take All Night

Roy, I do with some six. This could take all that. He asked for a Mulligan. She's like, tee it up this time. I don't know what that means. Did Roy have pre-bature ejaculation issue? It seemed like it was an ED. She seemed like definitely disappointed.

He took 12 shots that night, too. She was like, I just dumped this guy who makes six million a year. It's like the six golfer in the PJ. A's number. McAvoynex got whiskey dick every day. We're six right now. Rick can't even get it up.

What did I do? Roy hits the pelican. Enjoyable. How said he could get it through the door but not at the pelican? Yeah, the distance, keeping it that low, the distance is tough.

Carrying it on that line. Jacko was upset because he was worried the pelican was harmed in real life. I was hoping PETA was on set that day to make sure no pelicans were harmed in that filming. Roy shoots a 62. I think is my favorite part of the movie because it's incredible Nance.

All of a sudden it turns into like he's, you know, Nance doing the 86 Masters or something. But the most striking thing to me is the first time we see Nance because his voice is the exact same. I know. I can detect no differences whatsoever between 1996 and 2025 and my mind and my brain. I've heard it so many.

And then this young, handsome fella is it like, hey, look at young Jim Nance. Hello, friends. God. So good. Well, plus him and Ventory, and I was going to do this sports stage the best. I'll just do it now.

The mid-90s CBS golf coverage, they felt like the first time people had really figured out golf coverage correctly with that whole crew they had that led right into Tiger in 97. But that 96 Masters with Fowledo and Nicholas,

it was kind of the modern version of all this stuff. And the history that leads up to that is CBS, so CBS never did a U.S. Open. that was like part of the ha-ha, I think, with this thing. Yeah. That they were, you know, it was CBS on the... Oh, true, yeah.

It would have been NBC. Yeah. CBS had the Masters. Yes. And Frank Trinion is like the legendary guy in the truck. And he was so compelling in the research to Shelton and his team that I think they wrote in all of that activity in the booth. And that does sound set up.

I think a nice sort of narrative, it's just like in your ear, those guys plus Nansen and Ben Chority. It's arguably why the movie works so well, the last hour, is because of the CBS coverage. It feels like a real tournament. Also really ahead of its time in 96. Like that sports movies were so conventional, and it just felt like we were getting access to this world

that I only knew on my Square TV. I mean, even Happy Gilmore had Vern Lundquist, and I'm realizing that, man, fictional golf tournaments with real professional sports media people covering it, we could make 10 of those a year. I'd watch them. Well, it's interesting. Burton Lundquist, not in this movie, but is in Happy Gilmore.

Do you think he tried to double-dip it? He was also in Happy Gilmore, too, next to Post-Malone. Did you like that scene? It wasn't as memorable. Craig was not a fate of Happy Gilmore, too. That one didn't stick. I really like in the 62, oh, no, it's coming up next, my bad. Roy's final round.

Some, a couple really good, they have a nice wide shot putt when he makes that long one on 10. and they go wide. I love when sports movies go wide. They never do it. They always want to do these quick cuts and keep close. And they go wide. You see him sizing up the put.

You see Sims over watching them and the caddy. And then he drains it. You see Cheech Marin in the background in the gallery. It really feels like a tournament. Yeah. And I have to imagine one reason

why it works to make golf movies is because you can have everybody in the audience sitting in the same place and you can just have Costner taking shots over and over and over until he makes it. You can do 20 of them. One of them will work,

and it films perfectly still. It's not like basketball or football. You've got to reset everything. It's physical. It's demanding. You can just go over and over until he hits these 20 foot pus. It's really good.

It all sets up 18. Renee Russo says, I've never been with a man who went for it. She's also never been with a man who got whiskey dick first time they hooked up. Why does the eagle roll off the greenhouse? Let's do the nitpick now.

So let's set it, though. It's like 230, 240 to the green. Right. He pulls out of three wood. Which is a realistic distance for a three wood for professional golfer. Yes. It's over the water. Just to further set the context, it's a persimmine head on a steel shaft, like that era,

super authentic. Like the modern technology didn't exist. Like the golf clubs that exist now are like rocket ships compared to what those guys were playing with in that era. Off clubs now, the ball would stop when it landed, or does not? Well, this is the thing. Let Craig set it up. I mean, what are you saying?

Well, so, yeah, three wood, 237. It's got to carry 230. That's the problem. You can't roll 230. Like, you have to carry 235. And, yeah, a club like that. I mean, that thing's flying off the green. I mean, with a wood like that, that ball stays low and it flies.

You would need real loft and spin to have that thing stick like it was and roll backwards. So that the... Yeah, it feels like it would bounce and keep going. and roll off the green. It makes no sense whatsoever. The behavior of the ball on the green is utterly implausible. It's a pure fiction. It doesn't make any sense. It defies the laws of physics. That club coming in at the trajectory that was coming in. And then what they show on camera, they could have made a different choice is the ball coming in from a height and landing softly enough. There's no chance. There's no spin on that. It's not possible. And that's the two, first two shots that he hits,

both spin backwards. It's ludicrous. The only parallel would be the 16 maybe on Masters when they put the pin in a certain place and sometimes the ball can roll backwards. But those are like five chip shots that founced down. 15 they shaved. A wood is going straight and long and hard.

Also, can I do a picking knits now about this scene? I have a couple more. We got to do it now, I think, because we're diving into it. Earlier in the movie, he hits the seven iron 227. Well, now it did bounce and roll out. But so you're telling me he hits the seven iron 220, hits the three wood 230?

Great point. Well, there's the, the wind, the act of God with the wind. Should have pulled out the seven iron for one of them. This is the ringer difference. You're not going to get this kind of level of sports analysis, another movie podcast. You're just not. I mean, it doesn't make sense. All use pseudor files out there, I love this sports.

I'm sure. Five iron should be a 220 carry. Yes. 225 carry. My other nitpick, so he asked for the ball again, he refuses to drop in the drop zone, which is ludicrous. Even if he's like, I can hit this,

try to win the U.S. Open, then come back after and try to hit it. You have to do it now in the biggest moment of your life where there's like, I don't know, what was the prize money back then? It had to have been a million dollars. Trying to win the U.S. Open, when you win the U.S. Open, you're on the tour like forever, right?

It's life-defining. It's life-altering. It changes everything about the entire, rest of your life. For 10 cup, 200 bucks would have changed his life. And I guarantee the first was more than 200 bucks. And he was losing like a million dollars every time he hit it into the water. Right. So he

he, for some, and then the same thing happens. And then he falls apart. He starts in the water. And the crowd, the third time he hits in the water, they cut to the crowd and the crowd's like, oh! And we were saying, we feel like this would be like watching Skatman Crothers get murdered in the Shining

level reaction by the crowd. I don't think anyone's making a noise. This would be like being in the stadium when Paul George snapped his leg in half. They would be the most awkward. This is like a sports injury crime. I think by the third shot, the crowd is staring in horror.

Nobody is saying anything. You can hear a pin drop and it's probably the most awkward sporting event you can go to. This is my guess. Let me ask this because, well, I'll just ask it. I don't know.

Do you think that fan behavior in 1996 is, is qualitatively different than fan behavior in 2025? Well, I think, well, at a golf, I guess, in normal things they'd be holding their stupid phones, right? But in golf, you can't have your phone. No, I think it would be around the same. In most golf, you can't have your phone now.

We had this in 96 with Norman, and the crowd is dead. If you go in back and watch that, last four rounds, the crowd is like just complete deer in the headlights, which is really rare when you can get an entire group of people to just have deer in the headlights. The reason I asked that, and as you're talking, like, I think that a golf crowd in 1996 would have maintained that, like, decorum, the reverence, you know, that whole thing of being,

you're in a special place, it's a special tournament. People are not going to be yelling mashed potatoes or whatever. In 2025, the crowd would have, I think, turned, like, people would have been angry. People, like, like, and been vocal, like, you know, using bad words. at anybody. Like, what the fuck are you doing? Yeah. Phones are out.

People are going live on Instagram. People are laughing at him. He can't recover. At least in the 90s, it becomes lore. It's like stoic that he does this. And he almost becomes like a, you know, some figure that you can look back on and be like, wow, that's the guy who stuck to his guns. 2025 he's getting destroyed. It would have been a national like Twitter moment.

Yeah. A unifying moment on Twitter where everybody's like, what is this moron doing? Like, it's just that. And he's a laughing stop for the rest of this career. What's the worst thing you ever? I saw in person at a sporting event. Ooh. Boy, you're putting me on the spot here. I like putting Jacko on the spot completely

unprepared for no reason. I'm trying to think what I've seen been to a lot of good games. I can't remember seeing something that just completely flummoxed everybody. I haven't been to any of those. You know what it would be? Oh, so this is a good one. I went to the J.R. Smith timeout game. Oh, sure. Now, the Warriors fans were excited for that, but I guess that was the closest of people were just like, what just happened?

So I think it would just be like that for five minutes. A couple other things about the scene. Rousseau is great in the scene because you're thinking about the shots and the things, but she's just really funny in the way she's like, every shot is just running through her whole body, and then she starts laughing like a crazy person. And I don't know, she's just great.

And the announcer reactions are unbelievable. The guys in the booth, Nance and Ventory their reactions. I actually thought that was realistic. I agree. I think they gave their a full... I think that might have even been ad-libbed. I don't think there was like a script for that.

Just completely flabbergasted. They just told them to lose their minds. It's great. Usually those are bad scenes in sports movies, not this time. I love the guys jumping in the lake. I like when she says, no one's going to remember the open five years from now. They're going to remember the 12.

It was a mortal. I'm like, she's right. I love you. And then he says, nice par, David, as he's carrying her away, which you thought could have meant one of two things.

I never even considered that it was about him paring the hole because, as House pointed out, earlier today, we didn't even see Sims finish the hole. Yeah, we have no idea what he did. No idea.

So I guess he pared, but I thought he was making a joke, like he got a birdie by getting Renee Russo. And David Sims got a bar. I like the double entangre for that. Like, you settled once again for the woman. So is this a better movie?

if he eagles 18 and gets a minus 10 and the movie goes that way and that's what we've had for the last 29 years no this is a good ending i agree i prefer what do you think jacko no i think it's just a cliche typical cliche sports movie then and this one i think i like that they went in a different direction yeah because on the first watch it's agonizing yeah you have no idea this is coming i mean everything every movie you've ever watched that's why i wanted you to watch it again because i was like oh when he sees it the second time second time around you're like this is kind of awesome this guy rocks so what's your most rewatchable scene? I stand by

the beginning because I just think that it sets everything up about who he is and there's enough mystery with her and I'm in that sucker for the golf sicko stuff. He does the whole poetry thing and that it's like, well the other alternative

is grip it and rip it and he drops out let the big dog eat. I'm on that stall right in my, that's in my wheel, Joe House, Wheelhouse. So that's my favorite. What do you got? I'll go. I mean, the whole last hour. The second we get to the open, the music starts playing, you get the drone shots, but a smaller scene. Not drone. 1996. You're right. Helicopter shots. One part we didn't mention that I love, this smaller scene within that is when he first gets

to the U.S. Open and he has the shanks. And he's warming up with everybody. That is the worst shank I think I've, I mean, he is hassling those balls literally backwards. This is coming up in a different category. House has some thoughts on that. Yeah. I like when he shoots the 62 and I just basically like the last 40 minutes of the movie until the last five minutes

which shouldn't exist but we'll talk about that later. What's the most 1996 thing about this movie? We already talked about young Jim Nance. David Sims is sponsored by Nissan and Infinity

and I'm not even sure like do those, are those golf sponsors maybe in the mid-90s they were? I mean car sponsors for sure like you know that's a very common. Now it would be like Rivian. Well it's Genesis.

There's literally a tournament in here in Los Angeles, California. You mentioned Roy's Walkman. BMW, we just watched one, yeah. Roy's Walkman is very 96. The Fuji film Blimp. They make a Fuji film anymore? No chance.

I think that I like this girl 90s music driving range montage where it's like, I think I'm in love with her. It just was gone by the 2000s. He's reading Ring Magazine at one point. I don't know if anyone's read that

in the 21st century. They probably read online. Renee Rousseau's hair. It's like that Jennifer Aniston Friends year one kind of whatever. Somebody says the line,

look, it's Lee Jansen and Billy Mayfair. Excitedly. But my winner is Craig Stadler's clothes. And Craig Stadler. The clothes in general across the board.

Also, I think everybody looks great in this movie. I hope that style comes back at golf. It's not that far away. We got some pleated pants. The skinny guys in the pleated pants, like Costner looks great. Looks great. Doesn't be big white, like the straight leg

pleaded pants. Who's the best dress golfer right now to you house? Oh, wow. Oh boy. I thought Ludwig Oberg-Ograde at the Masters. Yeah, I like, um, I like some of the Jay Lindberg that that my man, Victor Hovlin wears, even though sometimes they put them, it's a little clowny. But I'm a sucker for Ralph Lauren. So I've always been a Billy Ho-ho guy. Billy Horsal in the Ralph Lauren. he's my guy. What about Fleetwood?

He's fine. It's Nike. It's like, you know, I think the Nike stuff's fine. Yeah, he's just trying to throw him a bone. He's lost 17 tournaments.

He needs to win. He wanted to win. I'll give him one win. Fair enough. Any other 96 things about this movie? I think they should have shoehorned in a couple more in 96 music. Like, where was Hootie and the Blowfish?

How are they not in this? Sitting right there. That may have been too big for the 10-cup soundtrack. You think they've cheap? out. I think they couldn't pay for Vern Lundquist or Hootie and the Blofish. It's too much money. They only had $44 million to play with.

What's age the best? I have a bunch of stuff, but do you have a big one house? Just Jim Nance. I mean, like I say, like the first time I hear his voice. God, get a fucking room with Jim Nance. Jesus. Awkward. Get a Winnebago with that guy.

No, I have Jim Nance as well. What do you have, Craig? Yeah, Mickelson Gambling. I mean, come on. Yeah. The concept of getting the Shanks. Also, sports therapy, sports mental kind of, you know. That was my biggest one. Way ahead of its time. This is like 10 years ahead of its time.

I think this was one of the gimmicks in this movie. It was like, this kooky sports psychology lady, and it works for Roy, so then Stadler comes over. He's like, hey, can we try that? He's pretty good in that scene. Yeah, he is. He's pretty natural. He's really good. Stadler. Stadler was quality. I have a...

Also, would you want her to be your therapist after watching McAvoy break down on 18? That's great point. Hey, I saw what you did to McAvoy. You broke his brain. I'd love to get that. Also, he's a premature ejaculator. He was tied for the lead of the U.S. Open on the 18th hole.

I want the analysis of the woman that said, hit another one. Hit another one. Just go for it, Roy. I'd like to see a year of McAvoy first before I pay his girlfriend. In her defense, immediately after he hits the first one in the water, she says, now go do the correct thing. Hit the layup.

She does say it. So she keeps her creds. Too late. Her psychology creds to me. Sports psychology, way ahead of its time. I had a couple more. Calling the driver, the big dog, and then screaming, let the big dog eat.

Okay, I wanted to ask about that. That's been 30 years of people saying that. Did this movie invent that? Yes. Really? Yes. What about Grip it and Ripet? Was that this movie?

Very possible. I feel like it was grippin and Rippett. I was wondering about that. Did John Daly come up with that? Or did this movie come up with it? Because wasn't that John Daly's philosophy? and he's probably like three years before this, right? He's preceded the movie.

I think his thing was group. I think that was in Sports Illustrated. Yeah, that's one of the fun experiences for me going back and watching older movies is I hear these lines that sound cliche to me now. And I'm like, oh, let the big dog eat. And then me and my brothers and law were like, wait a minute, did they come up with that phrase? I think they did. Pretty impressive. When I was at ESPN, the guy who ran sales was this guy at Earhart, was old school, played golf with all the sponsors kind of guy.

And he used to, his whole thing was gripp it and rip it. Yeah. And every time I loved him, every time I saw, I was like, grip it and rip it. What do we got going? But he was just like one of those guys. That belongs to a different era. Like nobody would say that now in a business setting. Would they?

Let's bring it back. All right. Also, the doctor riddle at the beginning of the movie is another riddle that I've heard my whole life. Was that popularized by this movie? Or was that around? That, I don't know. Hey, I think that was probably predated that.

I think that just might be a thing. An old famous. Yeah. A couple more. We mentioned all the CBS production booth stuff. The sleek leather golf bags, House and I were admiring, those have just gone. Golf bags have just become gigantic and unwieldy, and I don't understand what we're doing. Well, I think those bags were gigantic in their own right and heavy as F because.

Is that what, that's why we don't have them anymore? Yeah, yeah. Because whatever the materials, they were. using. A couple small ones. Any movie with a pawn shop involved? Just like a pawn shop. It's always a win.

I'm always excited to be in one in a movie. Salome, Texas, pawn shops and strip clubs. I mean, you know, we got any movie with a strip joint involved also win. Par 5's on 18 where you have to carry the water just in general. Good, great. What is the best course that has a par 5 with water? I mean, Tori Pines is probably the most famous, you know, the North Course there. I don't South Course, whatever.

I messed it up. It doesn't matter. Cheech Marin is a sidekick. Young Jimmy Roberts, grilling Roy after round three. I'm surprised there weren't more real people in that scene. More journalists. Yeah. Tom and out of there. Probably like, get out, Tom.

Fuck for you. Lazy Deep West Texas is a movie setting. I was like, like, Midnight Run has like a whole stretch of the movie in there. Varsity Blues is there. Always works. What was the Armadillo budget for this? movie, do you think? Is the same armadillo or family of armadillos?

There was multiple armadillos in one scene, so they must have had, there must been an armadillo wrangler. The tin cup jokes that came out of this movie is a wood stage the best. Anytime somebody melts down, Vandeveld was the most famous one. But anytime it happens in a tournament where somebody hits in the water laid, it says like, oh, here we go, Tin Cup. Nash Bridges, Don Johnson and Cheech Marin ended up on Nash Bridges on CBS for like a million years together.

And then for Woodstage the Best, this is actually, segues into the Steven Segal Shitting on himself award for a most unbelievable story from the shoot that actually existed. You know about Steven Zagal shitting on himself? I do not.

Got choked out by a stunt coordinator and think out for justice and allegedly shit on himself, denies that he shit on himself. Kyle Brand and I litigated it for 20 minutes. Wow. So here's the story. They wanted to get all the pros to be extras.

So they went to the PGA pro wives and offered them a banquet where they could meet Kevin Costa and Don Johnson who were like in their primes and all the wives and girlfriends were like we want to meet.

And so that all the pros ended up being in the movie for SAG minimum $600. Wow. That's a real story. We'll take one more break and then we got the Big Kuna Burger War for best use of food and drink,

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why don't we go somewhere else? We got some money. Let's go somewhere a little fancier. And Roy is adamant. Nope, we're saying right here, I'm a Waffle House guy. This is where I belong. It's a secretly important tin cup scene. It is.

No, we're not going to a steakhouse. We're going to the fucking Waffle House. I made the mistake asking House, what is meant? what his order would have been with the crew. And as Jacko can attest, it was a 45-second answer. It was above the pork chop, eggs. He had it right, ready to go. There was no thought needed.

There was a waffle for dessert. Waffle for dessert. Yeah. Can I throw an honorable mention in for chasing bourbon with liquid ant acid? Yeah. Yeah, what was that? How was that? Halex and whiskey.

That's a good one. I didn't even know that there was an acid drink. And he was just going back and forth. Yeah. Sounds like something. That's true to the thing. Sierra though. The Melaq's in a bottle.

I still drink Pepto out of a bottle. What? I'll drink Pepto Buzl out of a bottle. I have a giant pink bottle in a closet. And under certain circumstances, depends on, you know, like an Indian food dinner night, right? Like as a precautionary measure we got right now. Indian food and a Peptobisbal chaser?

To get ahead of it or only once you're not? You wake up. I'm like, oh, you know, I got to calm things down. Glug, glug from the, straight from the bottle, right back to bed. It's awesome. Right back to bed, you wake up, glug, back to sleep. Yeah, because I've been awoken because of like, you know, the acid reflux, whatever, you know. I like it spicy.

How does it keep eating past the point when you should stop eating? And then comedy. House doesn't lay up at the dinner table. How does that lay up? Welcome to the rewatchables brought to you by Pepto Obismo. Right. We're giving them a free sponsor here. The Great Shot Order Award, most cinematic shot, that Roy, that wide,

shot on Roy's putt on 10. I really like. Dennythieves Benny Hanna Award seems still in location. Jacko voted for the Golden Tassel, the strip joint. Good wide shot. But it's got to be the 18th, the water. Which you said was

like a course in Houston. Yes. That they kind of rejiggered. Right. Yeah. I don't even think they rejiggered it. I mean, you know, the hole exists. And you can play that golf hole. I think it's a par four. Chess Rockwell, Brockwell, Brock Lenders were for best character name. Roy McAvoy is really good.

That's like you have that name and you're just like, all right, it's a golf movie. The guy's name's Roy McAvoy. Funny story from Nance. My guy, my guy, Nance.

Your guy. He had in his head as Rory McElroy rose ascended to be careful because he had Roy McAvoy in his life. Way before he had Rory McElroy in his life. Yeah, and he confesses that he had to be careful early on as Rory ascended.

I love, I love, House gets a flex category. So I'm giving it, I'm giving, you created a category during this movie. And it's called the, uh, their fucking category for, we're watching this. There's this moment with, uh, with, with Molly and, uh, and Roy when she comes back for the second lesson and there's some body language stuff. And House is like, is there a rewatchable's category of the moment in the movie when you know the two characters are going to fuck.

And I'm like, now it is. So it's the other fucking, I don't know, we got to workshop the title a little bit. Yeah, when he takes her to the river and he's licking her hand. Oh, I'm sorry. So it was when she stops by the trailer. That's when it was.

My bad. I got it wrong. To me, it was. When she stops by her trailer, his trailer, the house is like, is there a category to commensurate this? She came to the trailer ostensibly to apologize for not giving him

the correct sort of therapeutic direction. He spills his heart there. He spills his heart and she has a weird reaction and she calls up some other friend psychologist who obviously gives her terrible advice or she ignores the advice and goes to his trailer to apologize and I was like, that's it.

He, that is, it is game on. I was thinking that would have been a good one to have for previous movies. We've done like basic instinct. Oh yeah. Where they're in the car and she's like, do you smoke shooter?

He's like, not anymore. It's like, yes, you do. And it's like, ah, they're fucking. I'm going to workshop the title, though. The Butch's Girlfriend's Award, Butch's Girlfriend Award for Weeklink of the film. What did you have, Craig? This movie has no lesson.

There's, like, nothing to take away from this movie, but maybe that's the point, but, like, there's nothing to really learn. He doesn't learn. He says that at the end. But I don't know. Sports movies, like half the part of a sports movie is you come away with it with a lesson, right?

The lesson is don't lay up. Is it? Isn't it? He ruined his life. or he's now immortal. He did qualify for next year's U.S. Open. And his house pointed out when we're watching it today, he probably made $10 million in endorsements.

Like Hooters is like that in 1996, Hooters is like how much. Yeah, Pepto-Bismol. It's like, don't show yourself. He's the people's champion. Yeah, he takes John Daley's territory immediately. That would be my only counter, but I think you're probably right.

The only other thing I had was just for time. The entire stripper storyline, he owed her money, giving her the deed of the... Yeah, it's an easy cut. We lose that 15 minutes. Yeah, easy cut. Can I get a vote? Jacko, you, I have a spot for you in the rundown. Do you get to do your thing now?

Well, I just think that... This is for your week link of the film. I think the ex-wife, I'm sure she's a lovely woman, that actress, but she was too old to be Kevin Costner's ex-wife. We googled her, and she was 56 at the time of this movie. Costner's like 40. Really? Fifty-six? Yeah.

The stripper? Was it ex-wife or ex-girlfriend? Oh, ex-girlfriend. Okay, ex-girlfriend. But I don't think it was plausible that she was going to be a love interest of Kevin Costner. And there, yeah, that whole thing. Maybe it was like a Jason Momo, Lisa Bonnet type thing. And I made the joke when we watched it where I said, I think she started stripping at Jack Ruby's Carousel Club in Dallas.

Oh, no. Oh, no. And then moved West to West Texas. I apologize to that actress. so I'm sure there's a lovely woman in real life and still with us, according to Google. Thank God. That wasn't your week like of the film. You had a take on the Roy McAvoy.

That's another week. I hate to, this is a fine movie. I hate to shit on it. But in the beginning, Roy McAvoy is philosophical and he's quoting Carl Sandberg and he has all these things about nod to the gods and the earth and all these things. And then later, when he qualifies for the U.S. Open or qualifies for the sectional and she's spouting things saying, well, you're somewhere between denial and the law. And he's like, why are you using them big words?

So it's like, is he like this really secret philosopher genius or is he a yokel? And they can't really ever decide. It just goes back and forth between those two worlds. I think it's a very fair point. House, your weak link of the film was that you don't feel like a golf pro would ever get the shanks. Well, no, no, I could see a golf pro getting the shanks. Where you're hitting in their driving range sideways. And the drive, the scene where he's lost at his own range,

where he and Romeo are trying to sort of sort it out. Him showing up with the mother effing U.S. Open and getting up there and not having an immediate solution to, you know, one shank is fine. He has the nerves. He's like, you know, the long shot that came out of nowhere. The whole thing is extraordinarily intimidating. They're in awe of all of it.

Romeo's like, who's autograph kind of getting it? Okay, one shank, fine. but the fact that it persists and he continues to proclaim that he can't fix it. Mother F, you're supposed to be a ball striking golf pro. Like you never

had anybody who had the shanks and you told him what to do to fix it? Like they just went too hard on it. The level of shanking was too much. What you say, like going right straight down the line and like hitting golfer's feet like no but no pro is ever going to be that bad. It's actually quite hard to do that. I'm not even sure you

could do that if you tried. My weak link is really simple. The movie should end when he says Nice Par David and I can't believe it goes on for like five more minutes. I don't know what they were thinking.

I don't know where the studio was. And it was like we got to close off this Cheech Marin strip joint head plot and say no we actually don't. We don't. Nice part David is a great ending. Let's get the fuck out.

It's actually the best line of the movie. It's great. It's great. Let's wide shot, camera back, we're gone. I'm not defending it. What I think is plausible is there was a possibility of a tin cup two. And the tin cup two could have revolved around because she makes a point of telling him,

the next thing for you is Q school. And that could have been a storyline for tin cup two. Counter. Go ahead. End the movie on nice part, David. You could have had Nancy. You could have had Nancy. And with that 12, he qualifies for the U.S. Open next year.

the sequel is set up. Will there be it next year? But whatever. Maybe Cheech Marin was really into tangoing and he's like, I wanted it in my contract that I get to tango one scene. The only way I'll do tin cut. I honestly think they made a bet. Ron Shelton and Cheech Marin at some point.

It's like, all right, if I win, I get my tango scene. It's like, all right, fine. If you can drive the water here, you get to do it. Speaking of Cheech Marin, we don't get to give this out enough. The Vincent Chase Award for Are We Sure This Character was actually good at his job. That was my flex. Oh, that was your flex? Oh, I'm sorry, Craig.

Terrible caddy. Terrible. Horrible catty. Breaks his three wood and half, causes him to collapse, gets him blacked out drunk and gives him three hours of sleep before day one of the U.S. open? Doesn't talk him out of not laying up with like $5 million on the line? Can't convince him of anything?

If he just doesn't get blacked out drunk the night before the U.S. But he wins by a landslide. Yeah, he wins by like seven strokes. He just shoots a 75 that day. He's fine. So he knocks it in the water in 18 in the fourth round. and he's like give me give me another ball

I'm like I'm taking my bag and I'm walking where the drop thing is and we're gonna put in the ball right there and you're gonna fucking hit the ball from right there yeah he's a terrible cat not to mention he abandons him and he does really well without him anyway the guy's needy

he's like I was he had the whole conversation of like was he better than me it's like who wants it needy caddy nobody there's just one too many things going on I feel like they're trying to force the Roy McAvoy Romeo were like bromance. There's like a whole scene where they're making up.

I don't know if that needs to be there. Would it cut it. And you have Renee Russo, then it's his relationship with golf. It's like one too many. What's age the worst? We've already covered a couple, including Roy getting a little handsy.

Has, you had some thoughts on Roy's golf outfits. Oh, really? At the driving range? Well, there was. There's a whole section of the movie. Yes. Really, all.

of the time leading up to them making it to the U.S. Open. Many times he shows up wearing clothes that look like he just finished his major D shift at a crab restaurant in Miami. Like there's a lot of pastel. He's got leather loafers on. I mean, I get that we're supposed to buy that he's casual. His vibe is West Texas casual. But the clothes aren't any to have anything to do with West Texas.

It's all these pastels and stuff. He's the Hawaiian shirts. and leather. Well, you said he looked like he was in a Miami Vice episode, which I thought was a crucial point. He's in fucking nowhere Texas. Right. Why is he wearing linen?

Also, doesn't wear a hat at the U.S. Open. No visor, no hat, nothing. So in the 90s, that was a little more common. Is that right? I feel like that that's true. Skin cancer wasn't really in the radar. I can tell you wasn't on the radar for any of us. I have some photos of a summer and Jack.

It was Don Johnson's wardrobe from Miami Vice. But now that I find you reported that he and Kousner really are friends, like maybe it was. They're like literally. Maybe Kossner was like, these armadillos are costing us a fortune. Like can you bring some stuff from Miami Vice for me to wear? Some pants and some loafers?

I don't understand that half hour of wardrobe. And then it, then by the time we get to the open, it's okay. Yeah, looks good. Close wrong point. This is too big to be a nitpick. So Molly never realizes Sims as an asshole

until she overhears him being mean to a fan. She doesn't see that at all. Never in any other tournament except that one. I mean, that would be normal for him. Doesn't sound like they're hanging out too much. Sims might have had many girlfriends. Was she a beard? Throwing that out too.

That's why he went back to Roy to get him to caddy for him. Did you like her to begin with? I just, the Sims Molly thing, I was just never buying that combo. What's age the worst? He qualifies for the U.S. Open and, like, A day and a half? He plays like two rounds of golf. Is that easy?

Is it that easy to make the U.S. Open? Craig, could you make the U.S. open? Probably. Give me a couple weeks. Could you just like you're playing like in Orange County, you win a tournament and then you win one more and you're in the U.S. There's a local and then there's a sectional. The local is an 18 whole thing and they take, you know,

you have to be a two, whatever the line of demarcation is demonstrating your, your capacity to be good at golf. Right. Because you can't be a bum and show up and waste everybody's time. But you have to be in the top two or three or whatever at the local to make it to the sectional. And then the sectional is like four spots for 78 golfers. And it is the so-called longest day of golf.

It's mid-June. And there are these sectionals all over the country. I think there's one in Canada, too. So is there a certain threshold or they're only taking like 20 golfers? It's not only taking like 20, 25 total goal, whatever the number is. So Roy makes sense, even though his. Caddy broke all of his clubs in one of the... Okay.

Can we pay for me for the next year to try to qualify? Can that be our next project? I mean, we are sending the fantasy show to Ireland. Now you want to qualify up for the U.S. Open? Yeah. They're going to Ireland for the Fantasy Football Show. Steelers Vikings, Week 4. Oh, my God.

It's going. It's going, and probably four coming back. We may just lose multiple people. Can I play golf? Can I? Can I executive produce that one, too? Yeah. Jacko's like, what?

Any other what's aged the worst? I don't think there's a lot that actually has aged badly about this movie. I agree. It kind of holds up. The Ruffalo Hannah Rubinick Partridge Overacting Award. It's not overacting, but it's something. Whatever Gary McCord's doing in his scenes, he's in a different movie. He could actually get the Teddy KGB in my own movie.

I don't know what's going on with him in multiple scenes, but he's like hamming it up as an announcer, but you're in a movie that's scripted with real actors? I think it's pure McCord. And I think that they let him sort of just be him. A new house would defend yet another member of the golf office. I think House is right though. Like you're not wrong about him being too much. You're signing up for that experience if you cast Gary McCourt.

That's him. Like if you watch golf in the 90s, that was him doing golf. I think they were like, Gary, just be yourself. Rousseau. I'm not even sure his lines were scripted. There's some Rousseau moments where she's down it up quite a bit, yelling at 18. Chris is really down on Renee Rousseau. It's hurting the 50, 50-year-old guys.

Where do we do two for the money without Pacino? Craig's going to be even more down. I was thinking with Gary McCord. I'd like to in the mid-90s, but there are these people when they get the reputation for being hilarious, but they're really hilarious by comparison to everyone else they're interacting with all day.

This would happen, the NBA, like Blake Griffin had this. And I actually think Blake Griffin's pretty funny. Yeah. But Blake Griffin as an NBA player in the early 2010s was like fucking Chris Rock selling out. 18,000-seat arena funny compared to everyone else who he's going against. But Gary McCord, it's like when nobody's funny in any way, he seems funnier than he probably is.

Yeah. Is that fair? Gary McCord walked so David Faradie could run. Right. Dave Farad is another example. Sure. Is he legitimately funny or is he just funny because he's in the golf room? Golf tournament funny.

Yeah. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford. Hottest take award. You don't even have to necessarily totally believe this take. We used to have a podcast called The Hottest Take that we're bringing back. We had to take a four-year... We had to give a four-year sabbatical because Craig almost got the podcast canceled when he tried to bring back cannibalism. Altruistic cannibalism.

The podcast was done like a month later. That's a hot take. No, it was actually done because we're bringing it back as a video pod and I'm excited about it. But what's your hottest take for this movie? Roy McAvoy is an all-time choke artist. He has no clutching him at all. even like when he's hooking up. Yeah.

That's a great point. When the lights are brightest, he flops. At the charity event, he can stripe his three wood when it matters. He can't, he can't do it. He can hit the seven iron, you know, at the bar. He can hit the pelican in the club. When the lights are bright, he can't. When the defining moment comes along, you define the moment or the moment defines you?

Yeah, the moment define the shit out of him. He bet the moment bend him over and define him right in the rear. every single time. That's absolutely a thousand percent right. See money. It's crushing it. Has sold up to Carl Malone to really, speaking of people who let the moment define them.

She's all-time choker. Really good. I have a really hot take. I think you could switch the two male leads and the movie still works. Wow. I think Don Johnson can be Roy McAvoy. Basically playing it. I mean, honestly,

Costner is not as good as being the kind of drunk Southern guy as Don Johnson, was as Sunny Crockett on Miami Vice. He is a 10 out of 10 with that character, cigarette, calling everybody darling, stubble, hungover. He would have been an unbelievable Roy McAvoy.

I will say there was a few moments during the first rewatching of this where it's, I felt like Costner was trying to figure out his accent. What accent does he want to use? That's every Kevin Costor movie. I know, but come on. But Robin Hood,

he's just seen this. scene he's english he's not english that that's different jfk no in this one i felt like he was too southern then he then he figured it up and and don johnson's one of the only actors who can believably steal a woman away from kevin costner if it was switched great point great point um i think costner's david sims would have been really good i think don johnson he it's probably like five years to lay for him if it was like late 80s even don johnson i think and he's just basically sunny crockett as roy mackaboy that's the best movie in my life I would have been there opening night

all right casting what ifs so apparently they offered the role of Molly to Janine Turner and she turned it down she had a run in the 90s she was in Cliffhanger she was in short hair yeah she was in that Alaska movie everyone used to say she was like

dropped that gorgeous in person that kind of like Marka Kwali now where you're just like in person in person another level anyway she turned it down Michelle Fafar approached then they went the Renee Russo route I don't know

I think Fiverr would have crushed She'd have been too much I think Oh that's a great Too much Too unattainable Yeah I just I'm not buying her as a sports psychologist in fucking

East Bumpfuck Texas Yeah Because she's had a series of failures Chasing men and also Professional failures There's no you're not buying Michelle Fifer in any role like that Even in dangerous minds, a classic,

when she's like re-getting her life back together and teaching and interstate. Even that's like, you'd be married by now. Come on. The only believable thing is her with a cocaine problem. That's where you get believable. Scarface. Right.

Fly, pelican fly. Dennis Quaid turned down David Sims. It would have been okay. Alec Baldwin accepted it and had to back out three weeks before filming because some family stuff. Baldwin would have been good. I think he would have been less likable earlier on in the movie. Yeah.

You would have hated him sooner. It's a very easy, ball. It's a very easy villain, especially in that era of him. Yeah, that would have been a good one. That's like malice, the bear level. Did you read that Kevin Costner turned down the role of Shooter McGavin and Happy Gilman? I didn't believe that.

I didn't, I chose not to include that in there. It didn't add up to me. I don't think he's too big of a star. He's not going to be Shooter McGavin. Like, Sandler wasn't even that famous. when he did Happy Gilmore. He's going to be shoot. I didn't believe that.

He's like, I can only do one golf movie a year and it's going to be 10 cup. Right. That's it. Leguizamo was apparently offered Romeo and said no. I'm not 100% sure

I believe that, but that was in the research. Is he that big in 96? I agree. He had to have been pretty young in 96. Yeah, that's the thing. So he was in the fan with De Niro that same year.

That's kind of the level he was at. He was like the eighth lead and the fan. So I don't know if I believe that one. Best that guy award. It's amazing. Cheech Barron's crew includes Mox's dad from Varsity Blues. The biker guy from the doors.

The black guy who I've seen him in, I don't even know who I've seen him in 40 things. I don't even know where I've seen him from. So he might be the winner. And then one of the bad guys from Cliffhanger, who's my winner, the guy who's in. John Lothgow's thing and he's flying the plane. The guy, bald guy, the mustache.

He's actually got kind of a big cliffhanger roll, but I think he's the winner. Dan Waiters is a little more complicated, though. We have Jim Nance. We have Frank Chircanian. Which one's he? The producer. The American director. He was good.

So funny. Or Craig's Dadler. Ooh. Wow. Or young skinny, about to get a gambling problem. Mickelson if you want to just go cameo um i think i think it's the frank tracanian guy yeah yeah that would you think it was or nance oh i mean nance is really good house is so broken harder that he couldn't say nance we're gonna we're gonna recut this this is lethouse say nance

i do think it was trichinian though he's turkinean is a lot more less yeah and and he's not a camera on camera person he's not talent he's in the in the truck he was great but it was super compelling for the story. It gave the story great half. I think he's the winner. Recasting Couch Director, City. Can I offer you Susan Sarandon as the strip joint owner?

There you go. Nice Bull Durham connection there too. Bringing back to Bull Durham. She's probably the right age. Yeah, that's a better casting choice. It would have been good. Yeah. That would have been a good one. Craig already did his flex. Half Fastenernerner Research. Tinkup. There's some expression. She's not worth a fart in a tin cup. That's where they got that from.

I was confused. I assumed A golf hole is not referred to as a tin cup. Is that correct? No, they said he got the name from playing baseball. I thought that was kind of random and weird. Yeah. Why would it not have been a golf? Yeah, it totally should have been a golf reference to have his nickname.

He's a golfer. It's not known for playing baseball. Tin cup sounds like a hole. Yeah, it should have been something to do with that. That was such a random throwaway moment when the stripper's like, oh, he played catcher and he's getting hit in the nuts a lot. Yeah. What? That was the tin cup.

Right. They spent so much time, and I thought effectively so. building up what his flaw was, building up this thing that he was a, you know, compulsory go-for-it guy. Make it a tin cup, make a smoke of a story around that. Right, 100%. Yeah, like he had some bet. Right. He bet somebody $1,000 that he couldn't hit a three-wood into a tin cup.

Right. Yeah. Or he used to put into a tin cup when he was a kid or something golf related. Yeah. Yeah. It was just random. Oh, he played baseball. For the first time he had a premature ejaculation problem.

It was in an inside, you know, a tin cup. cup. Then they called him tin cup. Costner trained extensively with Gary McCord and wrote the forward for golf for dummies. There's a story about McCord. They really wanted to be a consultant and have a cameo. And he's like, I'm only doing it for $250,000. And they were like, sure. Really? And he got $250,000, which he brags about now, which is funny when you think of all the other stuff that cut corners. How much did Vernon Lundquist want? Like half a million? Oh, yeah.

No, he's not in it. Burns like, listen. Fern was like, maybe yes. I have the yes, sir. Everybody knows me that. I'm bigger than McCord. Costor made all of his golf shots or most of them. And then.

Like Bob Coosie and Blue Chips. There's a bunch of, there was a John Daly in 98, kept tending balls in the water and became a 10-cup moment. This golfer named Eddie Papparel in 2019 ran out of balls. Oh. And that was compared to that. And then you have the Tiger story. Well, the Tiger story is from the 2000 U.S. Open at Pebble Beach, which is, you know,

I think some people would point to like the most dominant performance. The pinnacle of Tiger. Yes. And maybe of any golfer in any major in history. And the story is that he had switched balls that week. He had a new Nike golf ball that he put into play. And his standard approach in terms of carrying balls with nine to 12 balls in his bag. there was a weather delay from Friday into Saturday.

So we had to finish his round Saturday morning. He had taken some balls out of his bag because he didn't like the way he was putting on Friday and he was putting in his hotel room, left them balls behind. They're out on the golf course. A ball gets a scuff, gives it to a kid. By the time they got to the 18th hole, he hooked one into the water and had one single ball left. There is a rule in golf where you are allowed to, if you can find,

somebody, another competitor that has the exact same manufacturer and type of ball, you can replace it. There's a penalty, but that ball was not replaceable. The Tiger ball not replaceable because it was a one of one for him for that week. And his caddy asked him to hit iron off of the 18th hole and did not tell him why. Stevie Williams did not tell Tiger why he asked him to hit an iron off the T on number 18 on Saturday morning because if he had hit that ball into the water, they couldn't have found it. He would have been disqualified.

and he would not have won that tournament by 15 strokes and would have not been the most dominant performance ever in a major. So Tiger didn't question why he told him to hit the iron and he hit the iron? He did not hit the iron. He did not. He hit driver. He hit driver. He's like, why would I hit iron? I want to hit driver and he hit driver.

Wow. Tiger. If he had asked Jacko for a ball, Jack would have been like, fuck off, you sure brought more. That's right. I'm going to win. Losing by 15 shots,

I'll get the trophy. What a weird role. When I play golf, I bring like 50 to seven. 70 balls. Sure. And I'll probably lose most of them. There was one other research thing I saw.

That scene where David Sims is an asshole to the grandparents and the kid, those are Kostner's parents. Great. Love that. Yeah. And the kid is Costner's son, right? Yeah. Wow. So they built that the water hazard hole.

They built one and called the Tin Cup Lake. Salome, Texas is actually, they think it's Rankin, Texas. which is near Midland and Fort Stockton. I don't know Texas. Midland is Friday night lights, right? Yeah. Yeah.

And then... I think that's Odessa, but I think it's in the same area. Jacko... Jacko, they talked about a sequel called Cup at Q School, which would have followed Roy as he tried to turn his PGA card.

Mid-2000s, Shelton even spent a week at a... CooCool. It just never happened. I think a mistake by Kossner. At that point in his career... I think I would have maybe done it. How good did Costner get at golf?

Do we know? What was his handicapped? Apparently good and then stop playing right after the movie because it's, because again, he was snobby about golf. Here's the story from, so there's an oral history that golf magazine did in 2016 that now you cannot find on the internet because they changed their archives. Oh. But there were snippets of it available.

And some guy in the oral history said, tells this story. There was a really tall pine tree and someone said to Phil Mickelson, I bet you can't put your shoulder against the tree, drop a ball and hit it over the tree. The shot basically had to go straight up. Everyone thrown $100 in the pot. There was $1,200 in the pot. And he did it.

When the ball was still in the air, Nicholson bent over, picked up the money and put in his pocket. Phil McKleson. No stranger. The legend. Yeah. We'll take one more break and then we'll do Apex Mountain. This episode is brought to by the active cash credit card from Wells Fargo. That's a mouthful, but that's because it packs a lot in.

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Jack, do you know it Apex Mountain? I do not. Well, nobody else does either. Nobody could figure it out. It's the peak of somebody's career combined with when they had the most juice. Someone or something. Someone or something. Kevin Costner, the answer is no for him.

Did we decide what his was? It's Dances with Wolves. Yeah. He directs, he stars, he wins the Oscars. 100%. He can do any movie he wants after Dance Was Wolves. Cheech Barron. it's probably somewhere in the late 70s

with Tommy Chong. Or I actually looked up Cheech for this. He crushed cars. The whole franchise of cartoons, he participated in Dora the Explorer and the cartoon cars, he's one of those, he's Ramon,

he's one of those vehicles. And I mean, he had a long career post this movie. Yeah, this is probably going to make you throw up, but I know him from Spy Kids. No, I'm not surprised by that. He had a whole second. Second act as, so maybe that's, that might be, maybe that's what it is, his second act.

Don Johnson, Miami Vice. Yeah. Not only his Apex Mountain, but mine, just being able to watch it. Not laying up just as a concept in golf. Did it ever get better than this? Turned into a podcast. Yeah. Those guys.

Good job by those guys. Oh, good points. West Texas for a movie location. Friday Night Lights. Yeah. which is Midland was the team they played, right? But they were in that area. I think they're next to each other or nearby.

Renee Rousseau. She might have been bigger and lethal weapon, three and four. Thomas Cronifera was big, right? Yeah, that too. Honestly, it might be this movie because after this movie leads to, like, she's in three more bangers and is really established.

And she wasn't the first choice of it, but I think after this movie, she became a first choice. Peter Jacobson wins the U.S. Open in this movie? I'm going to say this is Apex Mountain. This is not somebody winning majors in real life. It's a nitpick for the movie, too. The CBS crew in a movie, definitely.

Golf movies? Caddy Shack. I still think it's Caddyshack. There's only three candidates. I still think it's Caddyshack this, Happy Gilmore? Yeah. It has to be catty shack. Caddyshack's like the most quotable movie of all time.

And just so much about that has become iconic. Influential, all those guys in it. The only thing I would say is like they're, they, had two different goals and the golf sicko appeal of tin cup because of the the realism. The lyrical you know. It's not it's not it.

I know. I would say the other one would be Happy Gilmore. Yeah. Yeah. Agreed. Which is the next generation. Yeah. Happy Gilmore too will not be as generational. No. I don't think so. Although it might be for 13 year olds who like Mr. Beast videos maybe. The Waffle house. Oh no, the Waffle

house has a life of its own. It does. As a movie location? I think so. Not for movies, but no, but like, it's just as a thing, as a, as a meme. I think it's been other movies and been properly revered. That's worth looking at. It's not. I don't think it is. I don't think it's apex bound for the U.S. Open either. I think with the U.S. Open's probably had some better moments. Armadillos?

Not bad? I think if they've been in a movie in a better way. It's like pretty prominent. The seven iron? What is the seven iron had like a better tour for anything? Well, just the fact that House said they have a whole tournament where guys have to play with that based on this movie. That's pretty good for a seven iron.

65 with it? Yeah. And then this is a big one. Jim Nance. In a movie? Jim Nance. Movie-wise, not career-wise. Not career-wise, but movie-wise.

Well, movie-wise, yes, but career-wise... No. No. Okay. No. How about Jim Nance and Ken Ventory together? No. They had bigger real-life golf moments, I would say. All right.

I have an apex mountain for you. Yeah. Unexpected sports losses to end the movie. When a sports movie ends with a loss. Is this the apex of that? I think there's... You have Friday Night Lights, they lose. Remember the Titans, they lose.

A league of their own. loss at the end for Gina. Yeah. But is this the peak of losing? That might be your thing about the David Sims, you actually rooting for the wrong person in that movie. You should be rooting for Lori Petty in that movie. Yeah.

Is this the best sports loss ever in a movie? So the answer, those are all great questions. I love the category, but the answer is Rocky One. Yeah, I was going to ask. He loses in Rock. I thought it's a tie. No, he loses. It wasn't a draw.

It wasn't a draw. He lost the majority of decision. I was making that puzzled face. In my head, that's the answer. Because they both hit the ground at the same time, right? I think the best twist on it was probably Friday Night Lights, though. Because they set it up where you really think they're about to win and then they don't. Yeah.

That's a good one. Good category, though. Cruise or Hanks? I mean, this is Hanks by a million, right? So this is a version of Hanks that he only brought out in League of Their Own. And it's a version I really like of him. Stubble, drunk, kind of sarcastic Tom Hanks. He just veered away from it.

I would love to see Cruz learn how to golf. Like, watching Cruz golf is a way more interesting and entertaining than watching Tom Hanks golf. Listen, Cruz doing Tin Cup would have been one of the greatest moments of the 90s. Him also trying to become a drunk kind of West Texas, like, it would have been bizarre casting. He could have done it. We should do it. Done it and, like, been a disaster or actually done it? I think he could have done it.

Cruz would have demanded that he drilled the shot the first time and won the U.S. We should do a draft of movies you wish Tom Cruise was in. Ten cups up there for me. I want to watch him play golf. That's really good. We should do that on my podcast. That could be a good mailbag category when we do the Rwatchable's mailback. Scorsese or Spielberg?

Probably Spielberg. I agree. Ed Spielberg. Jacko is hesitant to be in the Rwatchables, but now I know. I kind of want to just have this role in all of it. I was put off by all the categories and all that. But I, you know, I enjoy just chiming. in. Well, now you know.

There you go. What role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played clearly somebody in the Cheech Baron crew? It's the TCU guy. The guy who's wearing all the TCU gear, who has to be his caddy that one time and came up Earl. Yeah, Earl. Oh, that guy. Yeah, he would have been Earl. I love that, by the way, that he's just rocking TCU in every scene.

Pickin' Nits. We hit a bunch of them. She's a sports psychologist in these bumpfuck Texas. Why wouldn't Sims teach him out of golf? Here's one we didn't hit. Why was David Sims' charity tournament nationally televised? And it was one round? What was going on there?

With a big purse. Like all of that. And it's like he's just, oh, do you want to be? He made it seem like it was this rinky dink thing. But then it's like there's a national crew there. I guess he was so famous at the time that if you start your own tournament, it's a big deal. Roy and Romeo, they're broke. But they have no problem breaking an entire set of golf.

clubs, right? As they're like hawking stuff at the same time. They just breaking stuff left and right. Did you snap a club that easily back in the 90s clubs? Yeah, the 90s clubs you could. It would have hurt. They were steel shafts. They looked like they were steel shafts.

I think it would have hurt. We talked about this earlier, but Roy getting bombed before his first U.S. Open ever is ludicrous. Nobody's doing that. Nobody is that self-destructed. You'd have to have like a heroin problem. And adding in the sleep deprivation, it was a double whammy by Romeo where he was already hammered.

And then at the end, he was like, I got to be up in three hours. And then he passes out. It's pretty brutal. Roy finished minus one. He shot an 83, 62, 64, and 78. So if he just got a four or five on that last hole, he would have had a 71. So he would have gone to 83, 62, 64, 71. 62 and 64 back to back would have been like the biggest story of the decade.

62 is the record in the movie, right? He breaks the record. To shoot a 126 and two rounds in a row is... When you're a nobody from East Bumpfuck Texas. Yeah, that would have been a massive, massive, massive sports story. Just pointing that out. Nobody ever shot 16 in a major, but somebody else. House was pointing out that our guy who won Deion Wander's Frank Charkinney and whatever his name is...

Chirkinian. A couple weird quotes from him where he's like, we got to keep an eye on this tin cup guy. It's like the final round. He's in the final matchup. Right. Yeah, I'm, I... It's like, we're, I'll keep an eye on him. He's, he's in first place.

Get a camera on that guy. I'm not... There's three holes left. You would be, like, following him everywhere. He might be the story. Oh. But then the big one, which I don't think we hit strongly enough, was we never see what happens with David Sims.

It's unbelievable. Because if he birdies 18, he gets into a playoff with Jacobson. He lays up. He lays up. He just got to go up and down. Up and down. He gets a four. He's in a playoff.

He has to stand there. and wait for the entirety of the dopy Roy to hit the ball into the water. But Roy just the tournament ends. Roy walks off. We don't see Peter Jacobson celebrating. There's like 19 things going wrong. Everybody rushed the green. He couldn't put out because they tore up the green to try to jump in the water to get his ball.

Tournament's over. Sorry, David Sims. Just pick it up, Dave. We'll give you a four or whatever. Yeah. It's really crazy. Anyway, sequel, prequel, prestige, TV, all black cast are untouchable. Prestige TV, so they made stick, which a lot of people like on Apple TV, which is a little, a little like a cousin?

Why'd you make a face? I'm only halfway through it. Okay. But it's like that same kind of golf pro, kind of a never was. How about I like a prequel college days. Sims and McAvoy University of Houston, also University of Houston, Jim Nance. There you know. could have been there as like the student broadcast.

That's right. Lance would have known them. I'm, just flacked out. I'm there for all of this. And the prequel could have a better reason why he's called Tin Cup. Yeah, you find out in that movie.

A college golf competition movie would be great. Yeah. Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Trao, Dorisberg, Sam Jackson, Nell, Byron Mayo, Tony Romo, Chris Collinsworth,

Daniel Plainview, Long Legs, or Wilford Brimley in the firm. I'm so excited. of Jacko's here because we finally get to do Mike and the Mad Dog on the rewatchable.

Mike and the Mad Dog, the next A&W fan after Roy McAvoy shot at 12. Do you want to be dog or Francesa? Does either one? You're a better dog. I mean, Mike, you gotta take the pot? You kid me. It's a humongous, humongous mistake.

Humongous. You just, you get in at 5, you take the playoffs, dog. I mean, you're nobody from Texas. You've got to take the drop. What are you doing? I mean, I know they're dumb in Texas dog but this was this was dumb even for people in Texas I cannot believe it's a humongous mistake this would have been a better if mike and the mad dog did the day after that should have been the closing credits that should have been the last five minutes of the movie they're showing it's amazing dog just having an absolute stroke at the end right back of why would he

do it just won Oscar who gets it I brought this up when we watched it Cheech Marin when he does that speech after he breaks all the club yeah that was like that monologue It was Oscar worthy. It's not the soundtrack. That won a Grammy. I'm giving it to Don Johnson just because I love Don Johnson. Now they have the studio, I'm bringing Don Johnson. I'm inviting him on the podcast.

I admire Cheech's range. I thought I would go for Cheech. What do you have, Craig? Cheech is great. Couldn't they think of one. Probably in answerable questions. The Dick Measuring contest would have been amazing if they had actually filmed it. These are two Hollywood legends, Don Johnson, and Kevin Koss.

are pretty notable reputations. So thank God, that would have been an NC 17. Strong stick men. Is this the most revered golf movie or is it happy Gilmore? What's the most beloved golf movie right now? If we're going to say the, no, I'm not talking about it. I'm saying right now the most Americans, if you did a poll, if we did a poll, like if it was part of the 2028 election and you had to vote on, what is your favorite golf movie

this probably doesn't win does Happy Gilmore win it's hard for me to say I'm probably skewed because of my age but I think Happy Gilmore is more famous I mean the fact that they just made the second one and it was so big Sandler's fame I think it's more of a slapstick comedy

which I think lives on a little bit easier but this is more revered in the golf community I think because of how they handled it more of a movie about golf yeah and the actual PJ there's proper authenticity to it but I mean I think popularity-wise, it's happy.

Also revered in the premature Jack-O-Guator community as well. Yeah. Up there's a horse gone. Fucking Roy McIvoy. That's a prequel. Yeah. The Zawantane Award, for what happened the next day, we don't get to give this out very often. And we never had a sequel.

So Roy becomes a national story. I think multiple sponsors. He would have cashed in big time. Probably blown all the money. Written a book. Or he just gets drunk and fix himself because he was already starting to beat himself up about I just got I just lost the US open we had to pay back the IRS first uh maybe it goes dark he just it becomes like traffic

he just starts doing heroin but he's so happy he got the girl yeah and and she has are they married well she has a viable career path if she goes on tour working with tour professionals then that dummy should just go on tour and play and you could be you know so he he tries to get his PGA card, so how long does that take? He has to go to go to Q school. And back then it was like, you know, this multi-layer, multi-round thing. I'm guessing if he could shoot a 62 and a 64 back-to-back in North Carolina, US.

then he could probably become a... Yeah. And then you get the same issue because if he goes on tour and becomes a good golfer, and now his girlfriend is mentoring other golfers, he becomes David Sims in this scenario. And the other golfers that she is now working with become Roy McAvoy. I think she... Only they're mature ejaculators.

I think she'd have to end her practice. I think it's a conflict of interest. She's basically helping other golfers and her husband or boyfriend is trying to compete against them. I got to find out for Mallory what is her reaction to Kevin Costa not really getting it done in the sex scene

because I think she would, I think the excuses would have been plentiful from the Mallory's side. It was late night. A lot of whiskey. He was tired from the course. A lot of drinks.

Definitely alcohol. All right. It's all hungover. All right. This one goes to all of you. you what piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie

I narrowed it down to the Roy's 3-wood or 7-iron or the 10-cup fan club hat. That's pretty sweet. The tournament worn, there's only one that's it. It's like right behind

house right now. Yeah. I think that's probably the answer? Yeah. What do you think, Jacko? One of the armadillo's stuffed. Taxidermine. Or the Pelican. Maybe the pelican and the armadillo if you wanted to go taxidermy.

A signed letter from the PETA member who was on set making sure to win the person was fine. Right. I like that. Yeah, the visor. The visor is the best one, yeah. Well, imagine who's in the studio right now, what would be a bigger conversation piece?

Like, if I had the seven iron behind the house. Seven iron would be cool or the whole bag, that red bag with the tassels? Yeah. The leather bag or the last bag? The leather bag. bag. He's like a red leather bag with the tassels on every club cover.

He has head covers. I just realized that the golden tassel head covers was a throwback. Isn't that what the strip club was called? The golden tassel? Oh, yeah. Was that like the ex-girlfriend because she owned it, owned him now and that they had to do like a little shout out with their covers? René Rousseau pretty cool with the ex-girlfriend's stripper just hanging around. Yeah, they became best friends pretty quick. Right away. Oh, that should have been a pick of nince. She would have hated

hated that one, right? She's like, oh, that's Roy for you. She's like, okay. What about a framed broken three wood? Like if you had that in a frame, the snap three would. Oh, from the qualifying thing? Yeah, that's good. That's good. Stuff Pelican.

Coach Finstack wore a best life lesson. I guess it's don't lay up. Craig had trouble finding a lesson. Be true to yourself. I feel like it's both don't lay up and lay up. Like, just figure out the don't layup layup thing better. Well, because at the end, this is what I don't get. He doesn't lay up and you're like, you know what?

He's stuck to his guns. But then at the final scene in bed or on the couch, he's like, You know, I guess what I learned is sometimes you should listen to your brain, not just your heart. Yeah, that's a good point. So I'm like, lay up or don't lay up. I don't know. He's pretty stupid. It's not really be true to yourself because at the end, he's like, I shouldn't have been true to myself.

I should have gone with my head and up my heart. threw away the U.S. Open. Yeah. Double feature choice house? I don't think so. You got to, you have to make one. Oh. No is not an acceptable answer.

No one's never said that before. That was great. What movie would you watch before or after this movie If you had to watch Go to a double feature That's the category Thomas Crown Affair immediately I kick enough Renee Russo

Wow What do you have Happy Gilmore? I love golf movies I love just hanging out of the golf course I did Caddyshack What do you have Jack Hill? Well yeah because you and I are of the age where

We would say Caddyshack over Happy Gilmore But I think depending on your age E there is an acceptable choice Who won the movie It's probably Costner but part of me wants to say Jim Nance. I mean, it's easy for me. It's definitely Jim Nance.

Jim Nance won the movie. He does a lot for the movie. I do think the last hour, him being there just makes the whole thing so much more dramatic and intense and realistic and enjoyable. What do you have, Jacko? I want to say Cherkinian

because I liked his performance so much, but I really did. And I think that he played himself and America got to see it because I've read stuff about him. But the answer is constant. I mean, the whole thing's a vehicle for him. Okay.

So the answer is Koster because this is kind of the end of this runny ad. He's moving by the late 90s. We're doing for love of the game. A movie that I really like, but some people that, but it's, we're at the tail end of this incredible. You like it because he no hits the Yankees.

That's why you like it. Well, that's, I mean, that part's great. But we, this is the tail end of this incredible A plus list run he has. And it's, it's kind of not the same after this. And he also exacted as much as he could out of different versions of this persona And now we move into like older And then we move into draft day Kevin Costner

And Yellowstone Kevin Costner He's also a piece of a bygone era Of actors That like I don't know Because I think he's like 40, 41 in this movie Costner Yeah I don't know who you cast now This movie wouldn't be made now

But I don't know who you get To kind of be the every man Good looking athletic Kind of play any sport Looks like a normal person doesn't have, you know, fillers in his face. I don't really know who that is now. Could ham do it or is he too pretty?

It could have been, Ham's a little old now, but yeah, could have been ham ten years ago, maybe. Ham's a good one. It is like a ham kind of part. He could have grow the stubble out. Yeah, you have to look like, you have to be attractive,

but also look like a normal person. You can't be too ripped, you know? You can't be too chiseled. Yeah, that rules out of Affleck. Yeah, everyone's too old now. There's no 40-year-old generation of guys that are like the Costner or the Harrison Fords. We don't have that.

Yeah, because everyone's fucking British now. And they just like, look. We don't produce white American actors anymore who can play this part. They're all British dudes. They're too pretty. Everyone's too manicured, ripped now, you know? Yeah, like Chalomey, I'm not buying his right macaboy.

It's like maybe Glenn Powell. Glenn Powell's also, he's too pretty. He's too pretty. He's really good looking. Shia LaBusch. Well, Costner's really good looking, though. I think Costner's a little bit more gruff. I think you hit it.

I think it might be Glenn Powell. Glenn Powell? Yeah, he would just have to basically kind of bang himself up a little bit. Yeah. See, I think, I said when we watched it, I think Costner was too pretty for this. I think it would have been better with like Michael Keaton.

Like a disheveled Michael Keaton like down on his luck and he'd be like a little wisecracky, you know? Costner, you're not going to buy that he's like down on his luck and living in a trailer. He's too good looking. Renee Russo's not throwing it all away for Keaton. Well, that's fair. You got to get rid of her in the movie too, man, if you're going

Now you just have two mediocre looking people. One thing that happens in movies like this is the people around the person who's already fucked up his life who are also throwing away their lives to basically be in his cult. Hitch their wagon. It's like, what is, Cheech Marin's like 48 at this point? When do you give up on Roy Mcnavoy? He's in love at Roy. Let's be honest.

So that's where you might go in the, you know. But then he steps in with the, oh, to get, maybe to make Roy jealous. Maybe. It's like, now I'm with your 50-year-old ex-girlfriend. whole crew of that guys. What is their life choice led to where like you're just hanging out at this down in the market, down in the mouth driving range where there's no money to be made and there's no clientele and you just hang out and drink beer and like shoot the shit.

Well, 30 years later, they're on their way to January 6th. Heard there's something going out of D.C. Is there a Waffle House in D.C.? Let's make a ride. All right, that was a really fun, interesting rewatchables. Good, I enjoyed it. Executive produced by John O'Connell, okay, Jacko. Thank you.

Thanks to Craig. I don't get to ask you what we thought about the movie since you're... What are the co-host? Joe House, pleasure as always. Thanks to Gahow and Ronick as well. And we'll be back next week on the rewatchables.