The Rewatchables - ‘To Live and Die in L.A.’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

It’s CR Month, which means it’s time to crank up Wang Chung and take a ride on the wrong side of the road in Los Angeles to revisit William Friedkin’s ‘To Live and Die in L.A.’ starring William L. Petersen, Willem Dafoe, and John Pankow. Producers: Craig Horlbeck, Chia Hao Tat, Eduardo Ocampo, and Matt Pevic Try ZipRecruiter FOR FREE at https://ziprecruiter.com/REWATCHABLES Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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So this is the third movie of Sierra Month. We did. Sicario is the first movie. And people are already saying, like, where does this go from here? I think it should end. I think this should be the last month of the show. Like, we did it. Could there be a feast?

Oh, yeah. He was like every year. It's like, a carnival. San Gennaro. I want to do like VR. experiences like in the film Disclosure, but with you inside of the game. We're reenacting other stuff.

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discovery can follow. Learn more at TikTok.com slash guardians guide. CR, we've been circling this one for a long time. feels so right. Just doing laps. It's like a 1,500 meter race. It's doing laps around it,

kind of surveying it from afar. My wife was watching me watch this movie for the second and a half time this weekend, and she was like, don't you think you got it by now? And I was like, I had it. I had it 15 viewings ago. It just feels good.

We always knew this on the list between how much you love this movie, my love for Miami Vice in this whole era, and then Sean's love for Freedkin. We just like been circling this forever. Freakin said all the films that I have chosen to make are about the thin line between good and evil. Yes. Yes.

That's what to live and die in L.A. is about. The thin line between the policeman and the criminal. The best cops are always crossed. The best cops are the ones who are able to think like criminals. But for a quirk of fate, they might have been criminals. I mean, this is heat. This is half the movies we like. If there was an AI that could just go into our brains and write a final draft script, crime thriller,

Good versus Evil and cops and criminals getting too close to the line both ways would be the sweet spot. It would be, but I wonder whether if we had 100 chances we'd have the balls to make it as unredemptive and dark and cynical as this movie is, which is still one of its greatest qualities.

Red sun rising. Yeah. The beginning. Red sun rising near the end. Important Friedkin movie, because this is kind of it. This is the big comeback. This is the, I'm saving it because he had two stinkers

a row, no offense to cruising, which is obviously beloved in this house, but, you know, not a big success. Stinker? I don't use the word stinker, maybe commercially unrealized? Commercial, yes. Misunderstood during its time. Certainly. A conscious uncoupling of theater goers and the movie? Perhaps widely reviled.

Bill said there's a picture of the combat zone this weekend, but the hairs on my arms stood up for the re-cruise. Yeah, there's an old-time Boston Twitter feed in the combat zone. No response from anybody. There has been a reclamation. of cruising, there has not been a reclamation of Deal of the Century, the movie that followed. No. So did that theater.

It's a tough one. Yeah, it's a tough one. Chevy Chase's bomb. And it was almost a career ender. Almost a career ender, and he just strips way back down to what got him here in the first place with French Connection for this movie, which I agree. I wrote down that this is a super nasty and unflattering movie for every single person

in it. It's kind of an amazing piece of fuck you cinema. Yeah, you're not even sure who the worst person in the movie is, and I'm still not sure all these viewings later. Yeah, everybody you root for betrays somebody else, tries to get somebody else killed, gets corrupted, probably the only person who's

most principled might be the Willem to Foe character in some ways. And it's immersion not only in the language and procedures of the U.S. Secret Service, of which there really only been a handful of really cool movies about Secret Service agents.

That plus the immersion in now lost art form, I think, of counterfeiting money. and an L.A. in a moment that I can kind of recognize the city that I live in in this movie, but it's so far gone that I feel like I'm nostalgic for something I never experienced. You know, like when they're driving around, they go to like the strip clubs and the bars and the bridges and the scrapyards and everywhere that they're hanging out. You're like, oh, I can see the bones of this, like the fossils of it under the dirt,

but it's so gone that it's almost like a... real period piece to watch. Craig probably didn't watch this one with Liz, I'm guessing? No, she kept saying there's a lot of gunshots going on out there. Was she sitting right next door? Did she have her ear against the door while she...

I was blasting it pretty loud. I had to kind of lock in. Because Wang Chung kicks in. You're like... We're going to work the speakers out. Also, the car chase is quite long, and she's like, man, this car chase is going for a while. Yeah, it sure is.

Thank goodness for that. Almost that long enough. Yeah, I would say this is a... male fan movie would be my guess. The bend diagram of people who like this, I'm going to say it was very bad. I did pause to show Liz. Her favorite show is Frazier.

I'm sure you see where I'm going here. I did pause to bring her in to say, I'm going to ruin this. Your favorite actress. We praise Jane Leaves on this day. Well, we have Jane Leaves, N. Pankow, who was mad about you. Mad about you for a while.

So I'll give you my history of this movie. It was just against it when it came out. And it was a Miami Vice thing because I love Miami Vice. And the chronology of this movie tied to Miami Vice is really important because there's two reasons that didn't do well. One is MGM, Ted Turner. They just didn't get behind it. They buried it. Came out in November.

The other thing was Miami Vice was too hot at this point. So Miami Vice is this movie's filmed from late October 84 to late December 84. Yes. Miami Vice premieres in September of 84. Key point. Miami Vice not successful. year one. Like culty successful.

It's still watched by a lot of people on network TV. Not successful, though. And it was very underground. I liked it because I was an only child who was home on Friday nights

a lot of the time. There's a since myth busted myth that there was some litigation between the Miami Vice. It's just not true. I'm just saying it's a myth busted? You can see it from the dates. He's filming this.

He doesn't even know Miami Vice is a thing. So Miami Vice becomes successful that summer in the Reefice. Reruns. Back when a reruns could really like... Summer of 85. Summer of 85. The reruns get it going. A lot of people catch up.

And there's real anticipation for the season two premiere, which is in New York. Tubbs goes back. Pam Greer's in it. Our girl from Jackie Brown, 70s icon. Two-parter. A lot of buzz. And the show hits. And it's just like a massive show.

The best show of season two was October 18th out where the buses don't run. Dire Straits, brothers in arms. Maybe the best seven minutes of my life. Is this pot about Miami Vice? Well, I'm telling you. If we do 10 minutes on Tatum after this. Hold on.

I'm going to whip it out. Let me land the plane. Go ahead. Sorry, so that's October 18. And we're kind of used to this Miami Vice elevated crime, bad guys, good guys, who's crossing the line, video, all the things. things that the movie does, which comes out two weeks after that Dyer

Straits episode. Yeah. And it's the first one where people are like, oh, we're making Miami Vice movie ripoffs now, fuck this. Right. And you could feel it. I'm telling you, like, I didn't see this in the theater because I was like, oh, that's bullshit.

They're ripping off Miami Vice already. And meanwhile, it didn't. And I feel like it took for years and years for this to become what it became. Ebert, well, spoiling it out, gave it four stars. Like, it was critically liked. Really widely hailed, yeah. But it just didn't. hit. And let's let's be honest, it cost $6 million to make this. They made it with essentially no-name

actors at the time. Peterson, Pankow, and Defoe are not household names at that moment. So I think it made a profit. It just didn't, it just didn't pop. It gross $17 million. And the studio itself was very uncomfortable with the ending, which we'll definitely get into. And even when it was being rerun and it made the cable rounds in the 80s, it still felt like this is just like a better Miami Vice episode. And I really don't think it kind of took head the legs until the 90s from a rewatchable. I mean, it has some superficial similarities

in that it's just like a hard-boiled crime drama set in a very glamorous and wealthy city. And it's about duos, right? And there's a lot of there's a lot of duos and there's this huge criminal enterprise that this duo of cops is after. But after that, like, it's not really that similar.

No, it's not. They're taking the law into the own hand slash. And the hard driving 80s music is the other thing. Right. Like Wang Chung just blasting throughout this movie. There was a couple other ones from that era. Like Bain in the Hand was like that that people tried to tap into whatever was going on.

But I'm convinced that they released this movie like four months earlier. I think it would have been like five times more popular. Like before the real Miami Vice Wave, I just think it was hard to compete with it. It's also weird. We've talked about this with a bunch of movies that come out in this first half of the decade.

But our concept of the 80s is much more refined now than our concept of the 80s was in the 80s. Yeah. So this movie feels more like the French connection to me than it does what I would think of an 80s cop movie like,

tango and cash or something, if that's late 80s, right? Like something that's like, a lot of action set pieces with guys with long hair who's buff, you know? It's like, this is more like guys who are on their last leg trying to scam someone else at a 20 grand or like get revenge on a partner.

It's not like the big, Stelone Schwarzenegger kind of action movie of the 80s. Well, you're also, this is one of the great pop culture years of all time, 84 and 85. And so many movies came out in 85 that we've done on rewatchables. You know, and just you're just fighting for attention against you have, in music, you have Prince and Michael Jackson and Madonna and Tewy Lewis and Springsteen. You just have these massive artists. TV is as big as it's ever been.

And you have the whole Cosby show at that point. but then Miami Vice. HBO started at this point. Sports is amazing. And movies could just kind of come and go. And I do feel, I do wonder if this movie just comes out in August. Does it remember completely differently?

And these gritty, like, movies, I don't think they hit like they would have in the 90s. Like, I wonder, does, if Heat came out in 1985, would it hit? I don't know. I just think there was a lot more polished alternatives to this kind of movie in that time. Like, this is the time of Internal Affairs and Black Rain,

and you had a lot of much more, stylized and like sleek prime dramas. And this is a really nasty like boots on the ground kind of a movie. And very purposefully so, right? It's so cheap and so like all that kind of architecture that you're talking about. It feels like it's kind of ancient and covered in soot as you go through it. It's not, it is not Miami. You know, it is like, it is the bowels of Los Angeles.

No stars either, which I think is important because even if there's one star in this, I don't know, does it play out differently? It's just, it's really weird to me that this movie wasn't more successful being there in the 80s. It's like, why was this a massive hit? If chances Richard Gere or Harrison Ford, it's a completely different movie. Because you're bringing so much baggage with... Richard Gere would have been... I have a whole take on this.

Wow. We'll save it. Friedkin said he had seen Paris, Texas by Wim Wenders, and got taken by the cinematography from Robbie Moor. And that was the style he wanted. of the city to be portrayed as, quote, a violent, cynical wasteland under a burning sun. So, Robin Moore makes three movies right around this time. Repo Man, set in the punk rock world of Los Angeles,

Paris, Texas, which is about two guys on their road trip back to California from the southwest, and to live and die in L.A., and he basically brings a European eye. So when he shows up to L.A., Freakins not like, here, do everything I tell you to do. This movie is all about its collaborators. It's all about Wang Chung. It's all about Robbie Millie Klyber who did the production design.

It's like, you guys are good at what you do and you bring like a completely new eye. So all this stuff, like when Jeff and Rick are walking from the basketball game talking about killing Turo's character in prison and they're walking by the mural and Watts and stuff, it's like, how did you guys decide to stage this year? Like, what an eye. And it's like that outsider's eye to L.A. that makes this movie so fascinating to watch. Yeah, it's high, art, low culture. Like, that's my favorite thing. My favorite thing is when, like, a complete,

uh, espeat comes into, like, a really dingy kind of world. Yeah. And there's, like, other people in addition, like, Leslie Link of Gladder, who we know is, like, a TV director now, did the choreography for the dance sequence. Rainer Wedding, who was, like,

a very exciting German artist in the new German wave, did all the paintings for Willem Defoe's character. That's a choice that Friedkin made. Like, you don't have to know that stuff to enjoy the movie, but there's so much cool things to look at because of all these choices that these people made. This is what happens when you get to like watch number 10, 10, 15, 20,

or whatever with a movie is like, I'll be watching this and like, they'll be talking about whatever, but I'm like looking at the shit that's on the desk in the Secret Service equipment locker room. I'm like, oh, man, look at the drills and screwdrivers and all the stuff they've got hanging on the walls and, like, Pankow's got to fill out a clipboard because he's putting the shotgun back.

And I'm like, this stuff feels so, tactile that you can just kind of like live in it over and over again. And you always like to say this this is a movie that's been completely revived because you can see it now in 4K and you can see it it does not look like... The 4K is incredible.

By the way, I had the poster ready and it didn't show up in time. Oh no. It's fucking bullshit. I thought we were going to have a great poster. So we had to settle for Pacino and Kilmer and De Niro again. You get that burning sun in the poster right? Yeah. Yeah. It's a great

poster. We'll have it for maybe for the last episode of Cedarmen. Freakins said he chose fringe areas, Nickerson Gardens and Watts, Temple and 18th Streets, the home of the Crips and Bloods, Slosson Avenue in South Central, the Vincent Thomas Bridge, Terminal Island Freeway,

vast power plants in Wilmington, Louis, St. Louis, St. Louis, Abispo, prison, etc., etc. Yeah, a lot of San Pedro in this movie. Yeah, you see San Pedro over and over again. You know you're in L.A., but it doesn't, it feels like in L.A. that there's no Hollywood shit.

You think about the difference with this in Beverly Hills Cop, which comes out the year before, it might as well be two different locations. Yeah, I mean, they shoot like one or two things in, like, around where Beverly Center is. Yeah. And Waxman's supposed to live in Pasadena. But other than that, it's mostly, like, down by, like,

downtown or south of that or out in Long Beach or out wherever. It's one of the cool things about our leg is, like, Swingers does that, too, 11 years later, just takes you into this different part of Hollywood and all these little tiny fringe pieces of it. It's fucking cool. This was my huge case for Crime 101, which I just feel like, you know,

it was like a solid movie, but it's shot in L.A. And there are so many moments in that movie where you can recognize the city that we live in. This would probably be less recognizable to anybody who was living in Beverly Hills at the time, though. Would you say was your sweet spot when Artis film in dingy places?

When esthites, yeah, go to dingy places. High art local. Like high art local culture. So could the jet season qualify for this or no? You could have been like, that's a great point, Sean. I mean, there's contributions. Thank you. No, there's no, there's no artistic soul in the Jets.

That's why they're just low culture. Friedkin almost had a 10-picture $100 million deal with 20th Century Fox. The studio got purchased by Rupert Murdoch and it fell through. So he was back to be a movie by movie and optioned this Gerald Petovich. Petovich. Who makes a cameo in the beginning? Secret Service agent. who had this whole thing laid out,

Freakin added the opening terrorist sequence, which we'll talk about in a second, the car chase, and then focused earlier on Chance and Masters, William Peterson, William Defoe. Nobody knew who the fuck these guys were when they make this movie.

And he, the Peterson thing's unbelievable. So Chicago stage actor talks him into doing it. He's 33. Nobody knows who he is. He's doing street car in Toronto. Yeah. And he goes and sees him.

He's like, yeah, that's the star of my movie. Peterson does that. in Manhunter back-to-back, which we talked about the Manhunter thing and he's off. Very strange career

after that, but one thing I wrote down, I don't know if you noticed this, Craig. Incredible athleticism by Peterson. Like Combine, I think he's like the winner of the Combine. College football player. Oh, is that right?

College football? At the airport, he jumps up on that railing and runs down the entire thing. That's all one take and clearly him doing it. Super coordinated. I think there's a bunch of,

like that bridge chase down scene. Oh, yeah. It's another one. But I think, Combine, he goes in as like a fourth rounder. It comes out like, people are talking about him high first round. Cooper Dejean.

Yeah. Like, holy shit. Tomic she is counting the table for him. Yeah. Also really wears the jeans in a unique way. I don't know how he does it. He's got kind of this almost seems pigeon-toed, but it has style to him.

It's like John Wayne. He's got, first of all, incredible jeans movie. Yeah. Dudes are just crushing. Every guy is crushing jeans. I mean, jeans are just not great in this version of L.A. Because you're talking 80, 89 degrees every day. just a lot of like undercarriage sweat

I'm guessing a jeans he doesn't care yeah you think this movie would be better if everybody is wearing like all birds joggers Fairty dressed like JJ Redick Like uh C.R. Where does he rank for your all time he's not going to play

by the rules characters for cop movies I'll give you Marion Cabretti I'll give you any Stephen Seagal cop movie I'll give you Popeye and French connection I don't know who else is in there I think chance is almost unique in just how brazen he is about it. Like, he's at his house and he's just like, I'm getting this guy.

And I don't care. Like, I'm just going to keep going down the rabbit hole of crime until I find my objective. So in Popeye Doyle, like, is constantly breaking what we would consider laws now. I wonder if it's more of a depiction of like the state of civil rights in New York City in the 70s. But chance is up there. Well, he's a nine out of ten. But Dennis Peck is still a straight 10. Well, Dennis Peck is Satan.

Yeah. Yeah, he's, Dennis Pex a full tank. I thought a lot about Caruso and NYPD Blue, actually watching him. I feel like this is a little bit of like a model for that, too. That's a good one. You felt like he was dirty? I felt like he stretched the limits of what was acceptable. I mean, in one of the first season, one of the great first seasons ever,

but he finds out about Amy Brennamet's character and just buries the info for episode after episode. Because she's good to have sex with. Push the limit a little bit on what was ethical. Yeah, I like when the cop. You just can't get a handle on this. Just get willing to get dark. The fact that he gets to go undercover in this and be Mr. Jessup is great. I love it when they get into deep into their cover stories.

I've always loved this guy, obviously. He does these first two, and then he does Amazing Grace and Chuck, which is a reprehensible movie. It's really awful. But does feature Alex English playing an exhibition game with the 86 Celtics. There's five Hallfamers out there at the same time, Sean. I don't know that's meaningful. for you.

Exhibition. Really, really, truly awful movie. And then he's in Long Gone, which I kind of like, and just kind of came and went, but is a really decent 80s sports movie. You don't like it? No, I do. I mean, this is my hottest take.

You want to do it now? Go. He's two movie choices away from being in the Mel Gibson, Michael Douglas, Jeff Bridges, Richard Gear, Bruce Willisone. Should we go through that? I mean, it's those two movies. He does those two movies. and if he doesn't do them

and just does almost anything else in 86 and 87 and then makes one choice maybe two in 89 and 90 he's probably in the Mel Gibson zone in terms of how famous he is. Well, I'll give you the choices. He turned down Henry Hill and Goodfellas,

allegedly. Allegedly. Tough one. He turned it down to do Young Guns 2. And to do a Kennedy's miniseries. He did play Pat Garrett. Kennedy's mini-series he did as well. He also, so he turned out a major role

and he, multiple sources, but I don't know what role it was, and it's a great question of what role would he have turned down. I would assume it's the John Voight? Yeah, or Fickner or, I can't see him. He thinks Roger Van Zant? Yeah, but I can't see him being Cherito at that age. Fickner is interesting. I could see that.

There wouldn't have been Kilmer's part, right? No, no. I don't think so. He also reportedly declined an offer to play one of the characters in Platoon. So this is the thing. Oh, that's true. I had that in my notes. Like, it's right there.

Yes. And watching him even with Defoe, you're like, oh, my God, what could have been in that? He turned down Platoon so he could do Amazing Grace and Chuck in Long Gone. Did he turn down the Berenger part in Platoon or did they say? They didn't say which one. Okay. It looks like, it's unclear. He was basically like, I don't want to go to boot camp for six weeks to do this movie.

And that's the other thing with him is he's kind of like, I'm doing what I want. But the thing is, within five. years after turning down Goodfellas, he's playing the dad in fear. And like, that's how much it can change. Now, he gets the last laugh for sure. But you're talking about like one of the major sliding doors in movie star history, I think. He does. I had so he was in fear. He's in the rap pack, which I think is one of the four best HBO movies of the 80s, 90s, 2000s. He plays John Kennedy in the rap pack. He's excellent in it. And that movie's awesome. It's only available on YouTube. I don't think they could get the rights to the music. So you can find on YouTube.

he's in the contender, which he's also really good in it. But the moment's kind of over at that point. What happens? He goes to CSI in 2000 and just makes all-time fuck you money. Yeah. And also I had like 25 million people a week watching him. And the reason he works on that show is the same reason he works in the movie. He's insanely watchable.

You're like, you're just locked in when he's on screen. You want to be following along his journey and you care about him, which is why. And the choice this movie makes is a crazy one in terms of what happens to his character. Sure. Because you're so with him through. this, even though he keeps breaking the rules and keeps fucking up. We can talk about how much he fucks up as a character. But he's, I think

he's a great start. This is an amazing find by Friedkin to pluck this guy out because his casting director told him to go to Toronto. And then for him to be like, for my partner, we should get my buddy John Pinkow who's like another Chicago actor, another Chicago stage actor. And it's like, those guys have instant chemistry. They're

initial scenes together, especially like when he's just like, I'm no snitch. You just should have told me. Like that whole scene in the evidence locker area, of the Secret Service is so good. Those guys have so much stuff going on between them. And I don't know if you get that

if you're like, here's two random guys that have never had any relationship. It's like you and Joe House, breaking down Khan, you know? Like those guys, you have a lot of history. Yeah. Who was the guy? Who was the prospect that you were talking about with House

in the draft? And he was like, I knew this was going to be your guy. Acuff. Yeah. We hadn't even talked about it. Yeah. We both, it was our favorite guy. It was adorable, honestly. We're usually a lot of.

line. So I mentioned this for, but Peterson has lived kind of in my relative neighborhood and would see him in different places. And it was everything you wanted where he's just clearly like, I don't act anymore. I made so much money. I have a family. I'm just living my life. I'm having a great time. So it all worked out for him. He did great. But I do feel like, could he have been Costa? Like, it's on the table. You could definitely see him. Could he have been Crash Davis? Yes. You could see him as Roy in Field dreams. Could his next movie have been no way out? Like, yeah. I think there's like,

can you hold a baseball bat? Can you hold a gun? Can you sit in the president's chair? Those are like big steps for movie stars. He could have done any of those jobs. Really, could you drive a car? Like, him, Koster, Mel Gibson, there's only a few of these guys like this. And not

like a short guy. Like he's got some size to him. He's strong. There's a sexiness to him, I think. For sure. Some of those guys wouldn't be able to pull off. Like, The one little nugget. When he shows up at What's Her Face is Darlene Flugel's house.

He's like, I'm ready. Do you want to just do this now? Craig wants to do his flex category now. Speaking of William Peterson. Yeah, I think it has to hit the Dan Campbell scale for Holy Shit. Are they really going for this? I do think this is like the gratuitous

80s nudity triple axles. This scene where he walks in, she's already naked. He gives her a shirt. Yeah. She puts the shirt on, then gets out of bed, bare ass, hands up.

on the ass to the straddle, to the lay her down to the silhouette of his penis. But he's naked the whole time. Yes. Underneath the straddle, you see the shadowed silhouette of his genitalia. He's going full hanging dog. It's not just like a dick shot.

It's like dick and balls. By the scenes, it's like, apparently frequent and was like, make it as real as you can stand. I listen to the commentary. He said, I'm setting the camera here. Do whatever you want. Yeah. And that is why I would use a slightly different category for this film, which is the Steven Seagal Hard to Kill Award.

I literally had this in mine too. I think you need a better intimacy coordinator in 2026. Robbie's like the lights on sets. It's one of those in the 4K Blu-ray where you're watching it. It's unbelievable. He's naked because you see his whole Franks and Beans. She's definitely naked. And then she jumps on and they found her like, wait a second.

Was there like, did anyone have any sort of? We're in Donald Sutherland Julie Christie's own. Oh, yeah. Very clearly. Yeah. Peter, so I, this movie had a 40th anniversary. And Peterson took his sons because I think he remarried and has sons. And he was like, yeah, I'm excited to take my sons.

I'm a little nervous. And I'm like, whoa, I think your sons are getting a little extra surprise for dad. A little popcorn break during that scene, I think. Dad, is that my mom? Those are your balls? The funniest thing about that scene, too, is that, in the final three minutes of the movie, Freakins like, we're going back to that scene.

Flashbacked. He flashed back on it. Unbelievable. But, yeah, he's really going for it this whole time. Great job by Peterson. I love that he gives her the shirt. And she puts it on. It's just so she could, like, he'd like lift it, you know?

You're like, see your ass a little bit. It's great. Because we always talk with actresses, like, man, why didn't they have a couple more? And I think it's more understandable. Actors is because there was less good parts than the 80s and the 80s and 2000. and just get replaced by the next person. It's really hard to find a leading man

like a Peterson-Costner, Gibson, name it. And it felt like he should have been on that. Now, he lives on in a couple of these movies, and then CSI hits the jackpot. So I'm sure it worked out fine. Defoe is at the very beginning of his journey. Four Oscar nominations he ends up with. What do you think for IMDB credits?

What number? He works a lot. He does. He does. He does. over 150. Yeah, I would say 127. Want to give an exact number?

Let's go 170. 163. Wow. Yeah. So 84-88 is in Streets of Fire to Live and Die. A platoon. Last Temptation of Christ and Mississippi Burning. Yeah. So we have the KKK.

We've Vietnam. We have... Jesus. Jesus. Yeah. We have this movie, and we have Michael Phrase bomb. But he's the good guy in Mississippi Burning, right? Isn't he partnered with Hackman? I think he's partnered with Hackman.

I think I've only seen Mississippi Burn. I think he's an FBI agent in a square. And that's the thing in Streets of Fire and in this movie, he's the two of the most evil villains you could ever imagine. And then he plays Christ in an FBI agent. He had range.

And then in Platoon, he's also kind of Christ. And then famously loses the Joker because the studio decides to get bigger and goes for Jack Nicholson. He gets his revenge. He could have had this whole run and Ben the Joker. But he gets to play Green Goblin

in Spider-Man. So both of these actors do things in this movie that I think more famous, more famous actors would just be like, I can't. We have to have some level of redemption. Defoe blowing Jimmy Hart's head off after being like, buddy, you were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Yeah. And Chance doing like 15 things in this movie.

You would just be like, hey, man, like I got a career to think about. And I do think in some ways I wonder whether or not the, the kinds of movies that Peterson was doing in this ascendancy, like, to live and die in Manhunter are almost like, well, this guy is too dark. I think it fucked him up. Like, from the post-Manhunter,

I think he really had some issues trying to figure out what to do. It was like this anonymous stage actor. Now he's going to dark places. Those choices that he made in the late 80s too kind of show him like trying to shift away, like try to do more lighthearted movies. Yeah. Yeah.

It's interesting. I wrote down for Defoe really unique ceiling basement potential because he's been great and some stuff but I also think body evidence and speed two are two of the worst

performances by a good actor ever like ever I don't think either of those speed two is like a truly singularly

atrocious villain scale performance may even be in our villain scale like a zero out of ten and body evidence is just a famous clunker

with Madonna it's like a basic instinct gone wrong it's so bad it's actually not even fun to watch. It's not like, oh, this is like, can't be bad. It's just awful. There's nothing good about it. So when he's bad, he's bad. And when he's good, he's really good. And he's got an interesting place in Hollywood history at this point. He's not a really good

job in the last 15 years of basically saying, like, okay, I work with Sean Baker, Robert Eggers, Wes Anderson. Like, he kind of just lifts up. He still makes a lot of movies with Abel Ferrar, who he's been friends with for like 50 years. It checks out. Yeah. But, you know, he was in an experimental theater troupe in the Worcester group. He's an unusual dude and the fact that he has managed to balance like really interesting art house movies with

the most mainstream movies of all time like Platoon and Spider-Man is pretty fascinating. I really like him in this movie. One of the great faces. I actually think you could argue he's more of a good guy than some of the good guys. That's what I'm saying. I mean like Rick at least is like... Maybe don't go to my site where I'm

counter, doing counterfeit money there. Old guy with two guys, dies as well as he He does send Bianca into seduce Max Waxman, you know, and he's like, you're trying to fuck my lady, you know, but like, for the most part is like a pretty stand-up guy. They think of... Good artist. Yeah. Talented painter. And also, you know, his own worst

critic. Like, his painting's on fire. You know, you'd love to see that kind of really like, like living up to your own potential. He is also a professional counterfeiter and murderer, just for the record. Yeah. You guys are fluffing him a little bit. Just want you to know, he is a rank criminal. I had a feeling the sex scene

they probably went for it to the point where even Friedkin was like yeah I'm going to have to take this out The one of the video where they're videoing it Yeah where they're videoing it Where it's just like an abrupt cut Yes Where Friedkin was like yeah you're probably right We don't want to get an X here

This movie is horny Yeah Well Darlene Flugel mid 80s babe We talked about earlier To Live and Die Running Scared which we've already done Yes She's in crime story which is

Dennis Farina's wife right Yeah It just never, I really wanted it to work. It just never quite got there. She was in Hunter and she was Slice Stallone's wife in Lockup. A movie that I like and maybe five other people. Slice Stallone goes to jail. Did you and Kyle, do lockup or no?

I'm just kind of waiting for my dance partner for lockup. Okay. It's got, have we talked about lockup, Craig? It's got the best sports scene in a movie that's not a sports movie, I think, ever. What do they play? They have this jail football game and it's fucking. spectacular. Like, they could run it

on NFL network and people would think it was just a 1958. NFL title. Take you up on that offer.

It's spectacular. Slice Stallone. It's really great. I feel like, why are we showing fucking lockup on a Thursday night? Yeah.

There's some like cross-promo with Kyle that you could potentially pull off for. If you can get lockup. Kyle's not in a lockup. I've tried. Okay. I've done some,

some, just never got, kind of like CR with some of his CR month movies. Yeah. Oh my God. The poll. you want to talk about it now?

Well, we're going to take a break in a second, but we should mention the poll. We had a poll for the fourth movie, and we had some bangers in there, and now people are like, can you just do all 12 of these movies? But the winner ended up being the nice guys. And I think an indication

that the post-2010 generation has a voice as well. Don't fucking suck up to them. I'm not saying, like, sucking up. I got my own month. I don't care. We're doing a 1985 movie. He's trying to stay young, you know? Yeah.

I was surprised. Goonies didn't win. I was too. But Nice Guys is a big, big favor of people listen to this pod, as it should be. People love Gosling, including Craig. Can't wait. Very excited. Very excited.

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yeah uh-huh break it down put us put us in the space does anything get you going more than this man come on uh i actually was going to float to you guys whether we need to rename apex

mountain like how wang chung mountain wang chung apex mountain like when they do the couch it's like the rose bowl presented by state farm state farm rose bowl

is it just a wang chung apex mountain They have this movie and they have Breakfast Club. She's burning fire in the twilight as they're trying to escape from the principal just in the same year. I wish that you would take some of your hard-earned money by a sponsorship of a college bowl game and rename it the Wang Chung Apex Mountain Bowl.

North Texas versus Hawaii. And they would only have to play Wang Chung music throughout the entire thing. I appreciate how your announcer voice now is just Robert Loja. is Robert Lozier doing monster trucks? I love that. So the story is Freedkin's like, I want you to do all the music for this.

As you mentioned, very collaborative. And he's like, the one thing I don't want you guys to do, this is it. Your only instruction, don't make a song called To Live and Die in LA

because there's no way I'm putting it in the movies. So don't fucking do that. Wang Chun gets in the studio. They come out. And they're like, hey, we made a song. Just kidding you give the solicit. Freak, listen. It's like, that's fucking awesome.

and films a whole new first seven bits in the movie built around this song. It's so great. It sounds like something I would do managerily. There's no way we're fucking doing that. I'm on the next time. Unbelievable.

It's really great. Can you imagine being in the Freakins' office when the Wang Chun guys like, were they British? Where were these guys? He's like, hey, William, we have a song. Also, this is Hurricane Billy. Like, he's not some shrinking

Violet, you're like, oh yeah, sure, sure. He's like known to be like, fucking don't do it. Do not put the song to live and die. Do you know what, though, he has said that this is the easiest movie he made, which is insane with this car chase and with some of the stuff that's in there. And I think

probably, this is the purest reflection of his talent, is to just be like running and gunning. I don't have a lot of studio executives messing with me while I'm shooting. They eventually messed with him when it was over. And then like, he obviously just loves the collaborators he worked with on this

because why else would he just be like, Chung, Wang, you guys got it. You have the entire, the canvas is yours, it's blank. And if you guys want to call a song to live in 9 LA, let's do it. I mean, this was my music, that 81-86. This was,

this was the early alternative with the cure and the smiths, the award are all those bands. This was not like a major band. They had like two songs that were like reasonably popular. Everybody dance all days. that song wasn't out yet.

Oh, okay, so that's after this. Dance All Days was on the third album. This is the fourth album, basically. Yeah. Like, there were probably 50 Wang Chung's, and for some reason, Freakins, like, these guys. Yeah. And just saw it, like,

what was your Wang Chung background? All I know is everybody Wang Chung tonight is the only song. But you were fucking driving around L.A. listening to this soundtrack yesterday. Yeah. Nothing better. I made Liz listen to it like five times.

I actually, when I watched it last night... I was like, this is the best. Look at the sunset. When I watched the movie last night, I think it's like the first 24 minutes 24 minutes I don't know what it is

that it's like you're just riveted the entire time I don't know how he does it And three montages and three beginnings of the movie And it doesn't matter It's so good And like But he fucking does this over and over again It's like tubular bells and the exorcist

It's Tangerine Dream and Sorcerer Like he just has incredible taste And he doesn't have like the same composer that he uses every time. Every time he starts from scratch and he's like, here's what I think this movie's vibe is.

And he just like plucks Wang Chung out of relative obscurity, not total obscurity, but they weren't, like you said, they weren't huge. The co-producer on the movie is the editor,

and there are scenes that they are obviously cutting around the music. Like, it's early music video style where it's like, like when Chance is chasing Tutro through the airport, the music comes in

right as the siren goes off at the metal detector. And you're like, Oh, man. Like, I'm fucking pumped for this. I mean, the bummer is that they gave fire in the twilight to Breakfast Club because there's like four scenes that they could have easily whipped that one into. So my wife was like on her phone, like half watching.

But when the opening credits came up and they kicked in with the different shots and the colors and the graphics, like, there was just nothing better in 1985. This was, we peaked. Yeah. Even like Mike McIntyreland, like that kind of, like, it was just, was at another level with the graphics and the colors. It was just great. Robbie Mueller, you know, like, that's the same thing. He just plucked this

guy more or less out of Germany. I guess he'd come to America at that point. But, like, it's a perfect fit, and they never worked together again. This is the only movie they made together. It's so funny because Wang Chong, again, came and went as a band. They probably had five songs that everybody could remember, plus Breakfast Club and this movie.

And yet, they have a much longer tail now because of the two movies, right? Whereas, like, Duran Duran was like a way bigger band, right, and can still tour and do all these different things, but it was never integrated in a movie like this. Tangerine Dream was another one. You haven't seen the Bone Temple. What do you mean?

28 years later, the Bone Temple, which just came out, prominently uses the music of Duran Duran. Interesting. You don't want to check it out. Oh, wow. It's like the one record that Ray finds his character has. It's really cool what they do with it. It would have been funny if Friedman was like, there's this guy Morrissey, I've been fascinated by, I think he can do all the music for it to live in LA.

It just would have gone completely different. It would have been a little sadder. Yeah, it would have been a different vibe. Yeah, I mean, there's a couple others that I think maybe, I think the fix, maybe could have done a very, I don't think it would have worked as well as my own. Did you see that in the research,

like the alternative, the person that they first approached for this? It was a Miles Davis, right? Yeah. Yeah, that made this much of a hot spot. I don't know if it's before or after this. I think maybe right before. Okay.

And so he's like, and that's a completely different film. If Miles Davis is blowing on like all this stuff. And the movie does still have basically Chicago Blues, which a lot of freaking movies have. Yeah. There's still like some like cops in a bar or stuff. It's the perfect pick though. Like if he'd gone to Howard Jones,

Howard Jones was like a little more like, I don't want to say campy, but more romantic. Yeah. But if you got into Duran Duran, Duran, I feel like it would have been too big. The cure would have been, the mood wouldn't have been right.

Or if they'd been like Danny Elfman's Midnight Run score, it would have been too like barbandy. I was going to say Oingo Boingo would have been possible. Yeah, it's like almost too happy. There's something about Wang Chung where it's happy, but it's also there's something deeper and sinister underneath it. I mean, I love the Midnight Run squirts.

Yeah, Midnight Run's great. Yeah. And then we mentioned Los Angeles. CR Month. Grimy L.A. movies. This, Denny Thieves. Repo Man. Repo Man. Terminator 1.

Training Day. The first Fast and Furious. And Fast 4 a little bit, too. You guys always laugh at it. Fast and Furious. You just laugh. You say you're a man of the people.

What about all the Fast and Furious lovers? I'm sure they're out there. And I welcome them. I welcome the CR months. They've received 10 films. Yeah. They did great.

Anybody else you would have in the L.A.? Body double? Yeah. Collateral? Body double's kind of happier, though. It's like the... Except when that girl's getting drilled. It's not fucked up L.

It's like the wealthier era of L.A., I wouldn't say it's grimy. Would you say collateral is underground? It's K-town. We're in my double-feature corner here. Yeah, it's close. Yeah. It's close.

I mean, there are plenty of, you know, 40s and 50s, L.A. Norris, too, to do this, too. Yeah, some of the people would throw in Chinatown. What's the one that Maxine's based off of or, like, is drawn from? Oh, the Wingshouser movie. Yeah. Oh, shoot. Not Maniac, Kyle.

Angel? No, not Angel. I know the wing has a really. Angel is definitely also has some, um, is in Maxine as well. I like wings has her. While you look this up,

Mount Rushmore of car chases. Bullet. French connection. This. Ronan. That's what I had for the four. Yeah. That's pretty unassailable list, right?

No Fast and Furious. Are you fucking with him or is it? I did think about it. I think about it. I think, for most people, because the Fast and Furious movies all kind of blend into each other. You're just talking about

a relatively normal, whatever movie that then all of a sudden there's this added control car chase in the movie. I will say... I think those are the four. Contemporary movies, it's not long enough probably to qualify for Mount Rushmore, but I think one battles, car chase is pretty incredible. I agree.

Freedkin had a crazy quote. I won't read the whole thing, but it was basically talking about he can't believe he did this car chase. and he was talking about some, oh, he's talking about the movie Taken. It was one of the interviews I read. And he was saying he really liked Taken.

He thought Taken was good. So welcome aboard William Freepen, even though you're dead. It's just a really nice day or another Taken fan out there. But he was saying what they did with it, there was more CGI. And he's like, we didn't have that back then. And we had to, like, put people's lives in danger to make this stuff.

And he's like, I was young and stupid. And I didn't really, you know, realize, like multiple people could have died and these car chases we were making but I was like, go, go, let's push the envelope, let's push the envelope, and now that I'm older, I kind of can't believe

I didn't do it that way. I did it that way. I thought that was interesting. I appreciate his sacrifice and the risks he took out. I don't, because when we watch movies now we're like, these guys aren't actually in danger.

I think they really were in danger in this car chase. I think especially in the French connection, it's incredibly dangerous what they did. They're going like 90 miles an hour. Yeah, that one, this one is a little bit more controlled because they were able to shut down the highways. And then the productions take over the highways.

So it's a little different. But if people have not read the Friedkin Connection, it is one of the very best director autobiographies. It is amazing. You can hear his voice as you were reading him, tell the stories. And he's a, I don't give a fuck director. So he tells us really great stories about this stuff. But he did a lot of dangerous stuff.

I mean, Sorcerer, if we ever do that episode, there's a lot that was insanely dangerous about what they did. Could be doing it next week. If CR month had to let us down. I mean, once we open it up to the people, you can't really complain about. You guys turned me on a sorcerer somehow and was never on my bingo card for years and years.

I think it's another movie, though, that got incredible with its DVD release. Definitely. But, you know, we talked about it on Star Wars. It came out two weeks after Star Wars. So it kind of like culturally got pushed aside. The car chase thing, we're just probably never going to have another one

because nobody would ever do it this way. And I actually feel like that Mount Rushmore could stay. It's one of those rare ones. We're in basketball, you never know. But I think with car chases, I don't see how you challenge it. Two from the Bourne movies that I would throw in there, the one in the one in the one from the first one. Well, the last mission impossible had a great one, too.

The one in Rome is... Or the fallout one, whatever the one from two movies ago. Number seven has one in Rome, which is incredible. That one's great. Yeah. I think it's really hard to crack in. I think one battle gets in the conversation, because what it did we just never seen before.

It was like, and it was in a new terrain. And the way that even just the camera moving up and down, we'd not really seen that specifically. I guess a little bit in bullet with the car chases in San Francisco, but it was different in that way. It's just hard to iterate on because, I mean, Freakin has two of the four best ever, like forever. And it's hard to displace either of those.

And he is the best fissing scene. He does. Yeah. I think that does get a lot of credit for that. Did you bring your handkerchief today? Chris is wearing yellow today. That's the SIR month. Every movie starts.

$6 million budget made $17 million. $116 minutes, Craig. Not bad. 5, 10 minutes, maybe. You could have shortened it? Could it go on 110? Yeah. So it's a plus 16.

You think plus 10 you're a good month? Yeah. Okay. I need 10 more minutes of Jane leaves, so I need to extend the time. Way more interpretive dance. Roger Ebert, four stars. Called the Car Chase.

an amazing sequence. The rest of the movie is also first rate. The direction is the key. Friedkin has made some good movies, put some in parentheses and some bad ones, cruising deal of the century. Come on, Raj. Did Rajj ever revisit

cruising? Probably. Turncoat. But he says, this is his comeback showing the depth and skill of the early pictures. You agree with that, Sean? I think it's definitely a back a basics movie with him and the reason why he strips it down so much just so that he can control more of the movie.

And it's not a very expensive movie at a time when a lot of cop movies are getting very expensive. But I liked one other thing that Raj wrote, which is something that I will echo. I like movies that teach me about something, movies that have researched their subject and contain a lot of information casually contained in between the big dramatic scenes. This is technically in my, what do you like about movies thing? You know, where it's like, yeah, you're in a world of counterfeit. that is so specific and focused and interesting the way that he shoots it and shows the master's character going about it. But it doesn't have him sit down and be like,

here's how I counterfeit money. Like, that never happens. He doesn't really talk through his process. It just shows it to us. It's an incredibly cool way with Wang motherfucking Chung playing. And it was so legitimate that fake money from the set of the movie got into circulation. It's a crazy stat.

We're going to the categories. Okay. Most bewatchable scene I have opening credits and Wang Chung right into Peterson Hotel Chase guy was doing it for Islam culminating and I'm getting too old for this shit

yeah now predates lethal weapon one year before lethal weapon yeah come on two years right 87 lethal weapon 86 it's two years yeah and we get a brief off-camera Ronnie Reagan could have gotten him could have gotten him in the card

Very rare thing in a movie like this to use a real sitting president and you'd make him a character in the movie. Opening credits into the art burning and the bungee jump this whole stretch. I wrote down this 4K is so fucking good.

Peterson did the jump for real. He did. In jeans and a vest and chucks? He did. I gotta say this could almost be a new category? Are we sure this is safe enough for our lead actor? Because it was just the one strap on his

right leg? They're not even calling it bungee jumping. They're calling it base jumping. Is it base jumping? Just one leg? I don't know. That made me nervous just watching it. A bunch of drunk cops?

Who's measuring the wire there? Who's doing the safety checks? I heard Fried can say they used the new piece of equipment to shoot it like a new crane, which is now kind of standard operating. And so I think there was a lot of time spent on making sure that this was safe. But if this was Eddie Murphy,

I don't think you'd be doing the jump for real. Base jumping now means do you have a parachute? Okay. Cops in a bar. I've said it before, I've said it. I'll say it again. I'll continue to say it. Something about the 80s and the early 90s,

when cops all got together in a bar, it just seemed like the most fun place in the earth. Those guys are all getting blackout and then driving home. It's one of the best. It's like 11 in the morning. It's like, C.R. What's going on? brother!

This is literally how I was raised. Yeah. It's just in bars. My dad all day. It's great. And two guys are probably going to get mad at each other at some point during the night, but it's fine. And somebody's going to have to be walked out.

When they stumble out of the bar. And it's still the afternoon. I noticed this time that the sign on the bar says bird sanctuary. My dad, when he was a younger cop, was in a social club called the Raccoons. And they were just like, you know, 10 cops who just liked to drink a lot. But they had like a whole ornate world that they had created around the records. Like Fidelio? I didn't see any masks in the home.

But, you know, they had a lifestyle. Okay. The counterfeit money scene, watching someone make money from scratch with Wang Chung music blasting, is really all I need in life. What a great three minutes. It's unreal. I agree with what Ebert said too. blowing on the on the plates you know to reveal them yeah we should we should just have that rolling

um at the sycamore studio like at all times you know yeah when you when you there's a tv on it's just only showing that sequence and also the peterson sex you know i'm gonna i'm gonna bring that up to jeff chow tomorrow yeah i initially had that as my floyd gun dolly before um settling on something else but i love watching somebody do something i don't understand how it's done and it actually seems realistic. Like, as he's making it and it's like, oh shit, now he's doing the paint. When he's mixing up the pain, I could have watched it for,

honestly, I could have watched it for the 25 minutes. Yeah. I was so interested in how they did it. I was like, oh, now he's going to dry it. It's the coolest. Artists at work. Yeah. And Defoe is great, too. It just seeming like he's been doing it

nonstop for the last 10 years, like just effortlessly. Totally. Torturo gets chased down in LAX. Craig mentioned the, Peterson just looking, This was his combine reel. This is also, that shot specifically is essentially like stolen footage. LAX was like, do not run up on the escalator or like the people mover.

Yeah, they're like, no, no, we won't. Are you nostalgic for the days where somebody could just run through a metal detector? I am nostalgic for the idea. And this goes basically up to 2001, obviously. But like the idea of going to the airport and being like, I'm going to buy a ticket to D.C. today. You know what I mean? They're like 40 bucks. And it goes like all the way through kicking and screaming where he runs in and he's like, I want to go to Prague.

Yeah. But I'm probably glad that we have some safeguards, you know? Yeah. I think it's safe to say. I'm nostalgic for a time when it was reasonable that men would run through them in movies. Yes. Now if that happened, you'd be like, that will never happen. If someone ran through an airport now, they would just be gunned down.

They would. Yeah. Tatoro almost gets killed in prison I have as a rewatchable scene. I knew you did. There's a whole other movie that I would have signed up for. Shot caller prequel. Yeah, him in prison for three months navigating people trying to come after.

Do you think Cody should have known, like, as those guys are walking across the yard, he's like, who are they going for? Somebody getting hit? Who's getting hit, man? Everyone's clearing out around him. Hey, it's you. Yeah, we've seen so many prison movies.

We're like, dude, get up. Start running. The fight scene with Defoe and his, what was the name of his? Max Waxman. No, the henchman. Oh. Defoe's henchman.

The black guy. Him fighting the three black guys. Oh, Jeff? Yeah. Yeah, Jeff. I think they, him and his, but it was a two on three. Yeah. I think they're plus, when they had the, uh,

Fando odds underneath the screen as the fights about start, I think they're like plus 490. It's like, no way. These guys are getting out of this. It's not the Miami Heat again. Yeah. Amtrak into the shooting, into the chase scene, uh, just 10 out of 10 on how'd you do this as you're watching.

Mm-hmm. Like, how'd you guys do? to this. Tough beat for the FBI, undercover FBI agent with fake diamonds. Just getting, has his gun down with his pants down around his ankles. Not how I'd want to go.

Chance raids Turturro. I like that shot when they're on the opposite sides of the wall. That's my great shot, Cordow. It's a great one. Chance gets killed. Craig, did you see this movie before? No. Were you expected that one?

Not at all. Something you can only do. if it's probably not a star, right? At 1985. Richard Gear, you can't shoot Richard gear in the face with a shotgun. No. It's still shocking to watch years later.

I mean, it was shocking to the studio. They were like, you better go back and... Yeah, they shot a fake. You could find it online on an alternate ending. It's atrocious. I think the only time that an alternate ending actually ended up being the end of the movie is fatal attraction that I can remember.

I have like ones we've done on this podcast. But the studio is like, no, we're fucking redoing that. And A& Archer is going to kill Glenn close in the bathroom, and that's how we're ending this movie, motherfuckers. I'm sure there are some other examples I can't think of off the top of my head, though, where they recut it, and that's what we got. I'm just saying for the episodes we've done, I think that's the only one I can remember where they literally redid it.

Final scene for rewatchable. You're working for me now. He's got the sunglasses on. Pecko goes dark. Yeah. I would add two more. Yeah, let's hear it. I think the murder of Max Waxman.

Getting shot in dick. When he gets shot in the dick, and then DeFoe says, your taste is in your ass. I don't totally know what that means. It's like 18th century Cameroonian. And then very shortly thereafter, they're meet up at the gym,

when they're all, like, getting changed. And they're nude. And Willie Peterson's like, yeah, I've got a friend down in Hollywood goes by the name of Donald Duck. Yeah. I have a lot to say about this scene. It's trying to change the conversation.

Why are they changing clothes? Well, it's like... In 1980s, the guys are... What gym is this? Just show up with the workout clothes on. That's not how I think it went in the 80s. You're on your way to a workout, and you're wearing adult clothes, right?

Yeah, but I'm not going to get fully nude and then, like, with... You should get nude right here. Yeah. Start it up. I think locker room, like, behaviors have changed. That may be the most 1985 thing about this movie, which we're doing in a second.

What do you have for most rewatchable scene? The only other thing, wanted to add was hanging dog no it's it's right after the hanging dog when she's just like she's trying to peddle all this information to him and he's like

you know uncle sam doesn't give a shit about it your expenses if you want bread fuck a baker and yeah their whole conversation where she's just like you know what would you do if I stop giving information to you and he's just like I'd revoke your parole and walks out like it's just it's a great moment character moment

between those two well how about when she's like, yeah, my kid's coming up from Vegas and he's like, cool. Yeah. Can you get that information for me? Oh, you got a kid? Yeah. Seems like a stable life for him. It's not a super nice guy chance.

It's the chase. It starts with Peterson at the bar, drinking a high life and a shot. Then it cuts to the train going across, you know, the desert part of California, like a Sergio Leo movie and just builds and builds and builds from Union Station on. It's one of the craziest scenes in movie history. They shut down a highway Over a weekend in Los Angeles Imagine if just the 110

Or the 710 was just shut down for a week They were like sorry William Friedkin's shooting a movie Across 5 miles of road And we got 900 cars there are like extras And the cars are going in the opposite direction Yeah So it's like an optical illusion When you're watching the movie

Look the cars on the left are going the wrong way And the cars on the right are going the wrong way And he only did that To make you confused as an audience member Because the whole sequence is so disorienting that's a wild choice in the movie. It's such a crazy chase. I have the chase number one, too.

It's an unbelievable seven minutes. And I love Peterson's acting in it too. Yes. He's so exciting. Yeah. And they do a good job of establishing from the beginning. The first time we basically see him, other than the Secret Service thing, first of all, when he's on the roof,

he's really close to the edge of the roof, like for real. I think it's like, it's probably two feet away from falling to his death. He doesn't care. And then the next time we say him after that, he's bungee jumping. So you're just like, oh, this guy's a fucking maniac. Okay, we've established that.

What's the most 1985 thing about this movie? LAX definitely. There's the, when they finally finish the chase and the three guys are in the background and the one guy has his radio on his shoulder. Yes. That's just like pure 85. Yeah.

The gym workout machines. They flag trans world airlines. Yeah. And continental you can see in the background next to it, bad times for all there. Being called a Miami Vice ripoff, Wang fucking Chung, and then I have one more.

I have one more that I bet it's the same as you. What is it? It's chance getting out of the car chase coming back to Roof's house and talking immediately about Quentin Daly and Orlando Woolridge, I have that coming up. Hold that thought.

I do as well. I mean, counterfeiting cash? Hmm. That's just in 1985. Now we just have faking bivore. I wonder how long that went for. I did not do a lot of counterfeiting research, admittedly.

Imagine this is around the peak, right? Because the technology has gotten so strong. Because wasn't there like a thing where they put like a little band in your money that was just like now easily verified? Yeah, there's now printings on it. It was one of those things we just got better at stopping. Yeah. Yes.

My last thing, there's some stealth gay scenes in this movie, gay moments that are just very 1985. You mean like homo erotic? Well, for instance, his girlfriend, they have, she's got her dance performance. And then DeFoe goes and goes to kiss her. And it looks like he's kissing a man the way they film it. And I almost wonder if it was a male actor and they flipped it.

There's that other scene when he stands right with Peters and he's like, you got a package for me. And he like grabs it. But it's just fit in with how weird the 80s were with that stuff. Even just the use of kabuki dance, which is like this ancient Japanese style where a lot of men who are performing female characters. I think he's very purposely kind of trying to blend all this stuff up. And to Craig's point

earlier where it's like, whoa, the nudity. It's like there's a lot of male nudity in this movie as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that leads us to the Floyd Gundali. Butter in my ass, lollipops in my mouth award for something I just enjoy. You mentioned the Quentin Daily MJ thing. It turns out I really enjoy realistically horrible sports

opinions in Neo-Noirre movie thrillers. Excellent. This Quentin Daily take is just insane. Unbuckin-believable. First of all, it's never mentioned how deep do you want to go right now? The deepest. Okay.

I'm listening. First of all, it's never mentioned that Chance is from Chicago. He's obviously from Chicago. I have an unanswerable question about this. Except he's wearing a Mike Webster Stewards jersey in the first time we see him. I wear lots of different hats.

I think it might have just been like in 1985 he had a cool jersey and he was wearing it all the time. But why Mike Webster? Why wouldn't it be like Terry Bradshaw or me and Joe Green? I do end up with the you're like, you know who I love the center and the Steelers.

It's weird. I don't know. I found the game that he's talking about. It's pretty easy. I mean, I had to look on basketball reference for a minute.

Quinn Daly had one awesome game and it was right as they were filming this movie. We know Friedkin was like this maniac NBA guy who almost like bought, what was the team he almost bought? The Celtics, wasn't it the Celtics,

right? In the late 70s, back when you could buy a sports team for 12th. million bucks. Well, here's my, here's my

unanswerable question about this. Yes. Okay. So, laying the Fed who's posing as the guy

buying diamonds, supposedly arrives at Union Station at 4.45 p.m. Call it, what, 90 minutes of the chase and the abduction,

right? Chance has to take his car to a body shop because he can't return it to the motor pool. Then he has to get somehow back to Ruth's house

where you got to call it 9 p.m. Something like that, 10 p.m. But somehow in that interim time, he has found out the score of the Pacer's Bulls game from October of 1984

and has identified that Quentin Daly is really the number one option on the Bulls, not Michael Jordan. And when would you have gotten the highlights? When would you have seen the box score? I almost feel like it might have been a day later he saw in the paper.

Unfortunately, none of this holds water because at the beginning of the movie we learned that it is the end of December. Yes, I know that. But like, if we're looking for Quentin Daily 30-point performance, from the time when they filmed this movie, it is basically William Peterson knew about this game and came in on the set that day.

My take was, I think, they wanted some sort of ad lib thing when he shows up with her. Yes. Be like, all right, talk about just something stupid. And Friedkin had been excitedly telling people about this Quentin Daily game. See, I think it's the exact opposite. I think it is, I think it is Freakin who wrote the screenplay

who is an NBA obsessive, who has a lot of sports takes who's like, I'm zagging so hard on Jordan. Jordan's overrated. He's like, Quentin Daly who precedes Jordan. Yes. And he's like, Quentin Daly was my guy, despite the fact of Quinn Daly, you know.

Well, we got to talk about this too. You know, it was convicted of a heinous assault. He was such a bad guy. He was kind of the Richard Chance of the Bulls. I knew he was a bad guy as like a, you know, a fledgling teenager and fucking New England. Like, he was, had like this rapist situation

in San Francisco. I think it might have been more than one. And it was really controversial that they drafted him. Yeah. And it was during a time when we didn't have social media or anything.

And it was like, huh, should the Bulls be able to put this guy in their team when this happened? And it's really bad. People were protesting. Yeah. People were protesting in the 1980s.

Yeah. Think about that. But it is almost like an interesting character choice that this scumbag cop, well, like we have to keep remembering at least like keeping this,

this woman in prison basically to feed him information that he like Quentin Daly you know it's like it's a character trait very talented score went to University of San Francisco which is where he had his situation and then infamous for ordering food to be delivered

to him on the bench during a Bulls game yeah and I think there might have been some drugs with him too but it was drugs with most of that team ironically so yeah so I wonder like did Friedkin maybe he liked the Bulls and maybe he was like I don't know why the fuck would we take Jordan we have

Quentin Daly, like, really felt strongly about this. I think he was more like, I'm writing a movie about scumbags. What's a real scumbag opinion I could put out there in the world in one of these characters? I love it. It's an idea. You're ascribing a lot of, like, writerly intent. Yeah. Could be wrong.

That was in my what's age the worst. Or he just loved Quentin Daly. It's possible. It's possible. Maybe he went to a game a year earlier and was like, oh, my God, this guy's, he's better than Andrew Tony. Anyway, those Quentin Daily highlights from that Pacers game, the 30-point game are up. Yeah, it's on YouTube. Yeah.

Yeah. He was a little Andrew Tonyish actually with this game He was like a power to guard Yeah What's age the best It's also probably what's age the worst The Middle East conflict being a key opening scene

Seems relevant right now I haven't in which age the worst Making counterfeit money Has just aged the best as a viewing experience As we discussed Calling people Amigo Love it God I gotta bring it back

We should bring it back Let's do it Yeah Let's just make it a part of our thing When I see you and you come over, Big Aie, Migo. Let me tell you something, Amigo. I'm going to get Rick Masters.

I have actually surprisingly many more, but what do you have? So when William Peterson introduces himself as Mr. Jessup to Rick Masters, he turns to Pankow and he goes, and this is my associate Dr. George Victor. And I just never commented on again. But it's like, doctor of what? What if Rickmasters have been like, doctor, I have this weird bull. Can you take a look at it?

Like, did they really think that through? He would just say it's an honorary doctorate I got into college. Sure. But that would have been like one extra layer of the lie that you didn't need. I'm a prostate doctor. I love the remnants of the 1960s that kind of thread through this movie, especially Waxman being a ex-Hipy warrior. And in the, Pan Cowell talks about this in interviews,

but you can kind of get the sense from all these 19- 80s cops that they were Vietnam veterans. And just the kind of the sort of waste of the 60s washing up in L.A. and the 80s. Definitely his partner who gets killed is meant to be one of those guys. Like a rough neck, basically. Absolutely. And I love

Rick being a bisexual, fine artist who just has like a guy with a bomber jacket killing people as a psychic. That guy Jack is just like always spitting tobacco. Jack Horr, legendary LAPD detective. You have any of what? stage the best.

Yeah, sort of related to that, being able to pretend to be a businessman and having the contents of your glove box be enough proof, the fact that they're like, I don't know about this guy. So his girlfriend goes and looks at his glove box, and I'm like, I'm seeing some receipts here. Yeah, from the Cayman's. Yeah. He's not tan enough. That's really good. Calling money paper.

Yeah. Which is something that obviously got very popularized in the last 20 years. And then just Willem Defoe as a villain. I just feel like he's become one of the great villains in the last 50 years. I also had Dean Stockwell playing a defensive. who's having a beer on his lunch break during a trial. Grimes in general is just an awesome character. Dean's talk, also in legend to Billy Jean this year as the senator.

And in Paris, Texas, yeah. Yeah. And soon to be married to the mom, completing his comeback and getting an Academy Award nomination. Yeah, so those are some of mine. I also have bungee jumping. Mm-hmm. I have Jane Leaves with an underrated hot girl run here of To Live and Die in L.A. Marla the Virgin from Seinfeld

who ends up sleeping with JFK Jr. And then Frazier's girlfriend. Always liked her. This is sort of Floyd Gondoli, sort of like always aging the best. But I enjoy when an insane person in a movie has an artistic hobby. Yeah.

You know, like Jack Torrance, you know, and his writing. You've got Tony Colette's miniatures in Hereditary. Yeah. You've got Gary Oldman being really into Beethoven and the professional. Like, usually that's like great, little character trait where they can like really appreciate fine art but they are insane.

Yeah. That's a good one. That's good. We'll put that in our AI movie. There's no AI movie. I like when villains refer to themselves as the third person. Rick Masters doesn't do that, man. Everyone knows Rick Masters won't do a deal without up front money.

It's like, you're Rick Masters. You just say that about your, what? I also wrote down 80s movie lawyers dressed like Dean Stockwell who always had a cocktail and looked like they were about to play tennis. This was a weird era for

the perception of lawyers was like between tennis games they were just going to go to trial. They just have like a Mercedes convertible. Yeah. You have like a lacost polo but with a suit. The decision to show Peterson but not the body and the dumpster was really good.

When he opens the thing and his face changes. I just thought that was a really good shot. I love how he discovers it where he sees the bullet hole in the bottom of the dumpster too. That's really good. I like having a witness out of jail and then losing the witness is just a great movie thing.

It's like, oh my God, he lost him. Yeah. What are we going to do? We should have gone to the hospital. That was just a really dumb move. Yeah, that was best. And then the decision to show Oh, Jimmy

who was too old for this shit. Two days to retirement, but he was getting too close. I just feel like this has been ripped off in 30 other movies. I don't know if this was the first. One last job. McBain.

This is like ground zero for two days left. He's got his fucking fishing rod. This came from an email. Oh, shit. I deleted who wrote this. Now I feel bad. All right. I'll give him credit the next time.

It was me, Bill. I wrote the email. Just a reader wanted to point out, he was really excited we're doing the movie that when Chance walks in the building to get the judge to sign the writ to get to her out of prison on supervised released, he walks into 444 South Flower Street

the same building, Neil and his crew walk out of the heat just prior to the all-time greatest shootout scene ever. Great stuff. Isn't that where the Trinot? He really wanted you to know this. That's great. Downtown.

Great shot, Gordo. You had... So many. I threw the windshield during the car chase. Unbelievable. Amazing, iconic shit. Defoe looking at his burning painting in the opening of the film.

Peterson bungee jumping. Cars driving on the opposite side of the road. And you already mentioned the Rastafarian dudes with the boombox at the end of the... Which is like in a big wide... Crane shot, yeah. I had the shot

when Chance goes to see Ruth at the topless bar and she's working the door. And it's like all green and all red. And she's leaning back against the counter and the skin-tight dress is the hottest anyone's ever looked in the world.

Like, they fucking broke the meter on that one. And that scene is apparently, like, very improvised, and they were just, like, just fucking explore the studio space. And it's like, if you miss your mark, like, it won't make it into the movie,

but who cares? And it's so good. I just want to say one other thing about the car chase in regards to the cinematography. Robbie Mueller was like, I don't know how to do this. So the car chase is shot by Robert Yoman,

who would go on. to shoot like all of West Anderson's movies. Oh, wow. And I will add to that, just last night won the Lifetime Achievement Award at the American Society of Cinematographers. Robert Yeoman. I wanted to mention the bridge sprint chase scene because I like sometimes when they go wide. Yeah.

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Denethe's Benny Hanna Awards, Seen Sienceiling location. Bakersfield counterfeit spot, that wide shot of like, what's going on with that street behind and this warehouse of the middle nowhere? I just really like that spot. That's the Ringer 4.0 headquarters. Just us.

Just outside of Indio. Just a washer dryer. I'm in the horse trailer. You got a dryer. That's great. That's what things have gone wrong. I feel like rooftop of the Beverly Hilton Hotel is pretty good too.

I had the burger place where Chance tells... Oh, great burger place. Yeah, yeah, yeah. that they're going to rob Ling and they come out with burgers and then sit in like barber chairs. Yeah,

with like a whole city being, that's also a big gahuna too. Yeah. Good use of food. Kid Cuddy Pursuit a Happiness Award. We get the opening scene, obviously. I have dance all days.

Or dance all days. I had dance all days too. Yeah. At shipwreck Joey's cabaret. God, look what they took for those. What's it like there on Wednesdays? It's gone.

It's gone. It's gone. They took it down. It used to be a special country. Yeah. It used to be a really special country. It used to make stuff. The Amanda Dobbage Award for

Best piece of real estate. Hold on. Hold on. Oh. I feel like you've been interested in real estate over the years. Yes. So before we get to this category, like, would you consider buying a piece of property in that area and reopening Shipwreck Joeys? Yeah. Why don't you ever do that?

Shipwreck billies? Like, you could definitely afford to open a series of nameless dive bars that I would be happy to manage. Sure. So there's like a show. Yeah. Like a show with performers. I got to say that bar seemed great. Good security. I thought the stage seemed nice and big.

Lighting is awesome. What's the entry fee right now with inflation? $1.50 in 1985? It's probably like $15 now. Shipwrecked Joey's Cabaret ever taking a road trip? Where was it?

Long Beach. Where's that? Oh, Long Beach? Yeah. Roundabout. Man of Dobbins' War for Best Piece of Real Estate. Chances Malibu House. Way too.

I have some questions. Sick. He's like about 12 houses down from the pier. 80s much cheaper in Malibu, but you're still looking. You're still looking. about a mill? So it's, there, there is a moment

in Malibu where the celebs haven't started driving prices. We're getting close. Madonna has the wedding in 85 with Champagne. That's kind of a tipping point. By the time we get the late 80s. Is he living in L.A.?

I mean, it suggests he's skimming. So I'd freeze-framed it. Yeah, the skimming, I think, is a good thought. I freeze-framed it. It was a three-stop. story house. It wasn't like one of those like one story. So he might have just been renting like one of the

floors. Top floor. Yeah. Possible. Not that far away from Neil McCauley's house. It's very similar to the place where Hemsworth's character lives in Crime 101. Yeah. Very similar. But he lives in a series of like condos. Like if I would have bought that. And then a couple of years later, Martin Riggs

is living in a trailer on the beach I think in Malibu, like in Lethal Weapon. But this is nuts. This guy has like a fucking... We got away with this. in the 80s and 90s because we didn't have the internet yet and people would be like you know it would be cool

if we had a shot where the character's looking on the water and now that we know the logistics of LA it's just there's no way this guy would be making the drive home on PC

first of all he would have had a drunk driving accident and crossed the divider and killed himself and multiple people it's another mirroring Michael Mann moment too where it's like

of course this guy lives on the water so he can look out into the ocean and have an existential think on how he's spending his life yeah I mean

he was in a prime spot. Speaking of prime spots, the Sean Fantasy Award for stealth homage that gives

every movie nerd a criteria orgasm. I got a fucking doozy. Yeah. Okay. Of human bondage from

1934 is playing on the television being watched by John Totoro and Jacqueline Girot in that sequence. That's with a

movie that you hear when chance shows up. So it's about a young man played by Leslie Howard who finds himself attached to a

cold, unfeeling waitress played by a woman who will ultimately destroy them both. This is Betty Davis's fifth film. It's her first Academy Award nomination. We're on the eve of the Oscar. She got this nomination via write-in vote.

So this movie is important for a few reasons. One, this is the year of Frank Capers that happened one night, which is one of only three movies to win all five of the top five awards. Do you know the other two movies? Silence of the Limes. Silence of Limes is one. Oh, I know this. We just did this summary watch, well,

What was it? One Flo of the Cuckoo's Nest? God damn. That's picture, director, actor, actress, and screenplay. This was the first of only... Senators is going to take it. We haven't... We're taping after the Oscars.

Probably not because it's not nominated for Best Actress. This was the first of only two years in which writing candidates were permitted, a response to the controversy surrounding the snub of Betty Davis of Human Bondage. She was snubbed, and then they created a write-in ballot. And she got written in. So because of that, Claudette Colbert,

who was the star of it happened one night, thought because Betty Davis got this incredible outpouring for her right-in ballot, that there was no chance that she was going to win the Oscar. So she gets on a train to go to New York the night of the Oscars, and just before the train takes off, they announce her name at the Academy Awards. She runs back to the award show,

accepts her award later on in the show, and then goes back and the train holds for her, and she gets on the train at the end of the night and goes to New York. I thought you're going to say she drove the wrong way down the 110. No. That's amazing. Of human bondage. It matters.

That's fucking Friedkin. So you don't think Tortoro's character would have been watching a 1934 artsy movie? I did. Well, we know his girlfriend is an actress. So she's watching Betty Davis in her breakout role. I love those stories about when nobody cared about the Oscars as much. And like Goldman choosing to go to the 1970 finals or something over winning his first Oscar?

The other criteria orgasm that I had was just that when, right before, he gets shanked or attempted shanked in the yard. Tataro's like, what's the movie tonight? And they're like, oh, I don't know, some galactic shit. And he's like, I hate that sci-fi shit. And I always thought that was a diss of Star Wars

for taking out sorcerer. Oh, Sierra's got a flex category. I got two here. I don't think either of you guys would have one. So I'll just... This was fun because I feel like the Ed Norton-Wurton-Revered did this movie need a random sports moment.

And we get so close. We're so close. We're so close. Rick Masters isn't going to go out and play one game of pickup with the homies. Just sitting there. Just install the Princeton offense, dude.

Throw some backdoor passes. By the way, Sean's got the White Shadow behind him. I'm reasonably sure that was the exact same court that the White Shadow played Michael Warren's character, Bobby Wagam, in the greatest one-on-one game ever filmed on TV

in like the fifth episode of the White Shadow. I think it's the exact same court. Is it really? Yeah. I think it's in Watts. Yeah. So I had that. The Dennis Peck relationship test

I bring up because I think this is the first place where Peck melts in the face of the sexuality shared between Rick, Bianca, and Serena. I think he tried to peck them. He can't get there. And they're just like, whatever you want,

Dennis, like, come on in. So I'm not destroying anything. And they're like, no. This is about dance and art. Yeah. And funny money, man. I just think it would have been... Like, all three of us are up for whatever.

He's like, wait, this is too weird for me. Yeah. So this is where Peck loses its kryptonite. Can I ask you, where are you out on polyamory in 2026? Just general thoughts. Is this a new movie theme? No, I've just been hearing some things out in the world that have raised my eyebrows. About polyamory in the wider world? Yeah.

No, not with Bill. No, of course. Just like, just like it seems to be expanding. It's been an untapped movie slash HBO TV show type of theme. Yeah. We need like consenting adults. but for 2026. Well, here's the thing. As you know, my theory on,

I think the COVID little break, all of us had, I think people have lost their minds. And we're ready for a show like that. Yeah. Just couples just saying, fuck it. Yeah,

big love, but just set in Hancock Park. Yeah. That sounds great. I'd watch that. Butch's girlfriend Award for Weeklink of the film. I have Quentin Daly a second time. Quentin Daly got 30 points.

This guy's unbelievable. It's great fucking ballplay. It's got a gun like a Houser, man. 30 feet, boom, boom. What is happening? But backup choice. Can we have the Pankout conversation?

No, come on. No, let's do it. Let's do it. What's your problem with him? He's a TV actor and a really important movie? Yeah. I'm sorry, I agree with Bill. He's not a good enough actor.

He's not a good actor. No, not for this. He's not interesting enough. Okay. It's interesting because, you know, the story that Peterson tells is that Senise read for the part of chance. Yes.

And that he didn't get the job, but that he recommended Peterson to Friedkin. Right. And that the reason that Pancoe gets the job is because Peterson recommends him. But you think Sinise should have been the Pancoe part? But it should have been Sanis. I have an alternative for who it should have been, because we get it basically a year later in the untouchables,

and it's Andy Garcia. And he's too handsome. Oh, pretty. Yeah. So you got to get an ugly guy who's not too bad. It doesn't have to be more nondescript. And there's something a little. sinister underneath him.

So I was going to do this and recasting couch. Can I offer you, John Malkovich? Oh, yeah. Another Chicago guy. Let's bring some fucking firepower. Yeah. Another stage guy. Malcovich taking us for a ride in the Pankow part?

Is it the performance or is it the part? No, I think it's the performance. Because I think he's asked to do things a lot of, like he's sitting in the backseat during that car chase about to puke crying. Like, it's a good, I think he's good in this movie. I think you just love the movie. Can I tell you what my book?

Here's the evidence. Sure. The rest of his career. He's never done a part like this ever again. I'm just going to throw that out there. Found him to be enjoyable on Matt about you. Likeable actor, I just think he's miscast. I think this guy, I think there has to be a little bit more of a dark side established

before all of a sudden we have this crazy swerve at the end. He's incredibly funny on episodes. Did you watch that show with Matt LeBlanc on Showtime? Where he played like a head of HBO, basically, the head of Showtime. He was really funny. One other guy I was thinking was Kelsey Grammer. Hmm. Cheers was going, right?

Cheers said, like, he had just started to be on Cheers. Are you picking guys based on hairline? No, I was just trying to think of, like, out-of-the-box, non-leading man, but just people who were around. Yeah. Like Jeff Goldblum could be another one. Too tall. Too tall.

It's tough. I like my sneeze. Stanley Tucci is not Stanley Tucci yet, but I think Tucci could have been a good one. What about Will Patton? I don't know if he was Will Patton yet, was he? He was in No Way Out like two years later. What about Michael? He was.

What about Michael Bean? Will Patton's good. Michael Bean's good. Michael Bean, this would be coming right off the Terminator. What about Bill Paxton? Interesting. Very interesting. Interesting. Not bad. Okay, thanks.

Not bad. I love this game. Get there with it. I really like Malcovich. My Butch's girlfriend for this is the first eight minutes of this movie. It's cool. I like it when they're like Reagan's going to come play poker. It has no relevance for the rest of the film.

And I think it would be a bigger deal if someone tried to suicide bomb Ronald Reagan. I think the U.S. Secret Service would be busy and not going after Rick Masters. So, as I said, I listened to the commentary, and he talked about this. And this also was shot after the fact. This was not in the original script

along with that title sequence that you were talking about. It was after Wang and Chung came over and said, And I think the reason for it is very logical whether or not you think it works. I like the sequence a lot, but it's from a different movie. It's also the 80s and everyone's on cocaine and nobody cares. And it's more diehard than it is whatever this street-level crime movie is. But it being a Secret Service movie, I think it would be like a little confusing to a general audience. Like why is the Secret Service so involved in the Treasury and counterfeiting?

And they needed to like establish the bona fides of these agents and what they do. But you could maybe throw that away of like, oh, I haven't done it much. body work recently. I'm just working on counterfeit. You could probably get that with a line and not have a guy explode over Los Angeles and then have it be like, yep, back to Quentin Daly highlights.

I think it also helpfully establishes the relationship between the two partners and that like the older guy, you know, who's kind of like at the end. I think it's effective even though it is tonally a little different from the rest of the movie. Quentin Daly's got a gun like a howitzer, man. Boom, boom.

What's age the worst? Cops as a guy. incredibly fun hangs. We don't really get that as much movies and TV these days. Not like in the 2020s. Not until I write my script, no. I feel like we're hanging out at the die bar

with six cops. I think it's more like this behavior is probably clinically alcoholic. Well, cop way in mid-90s is when we start to It shifts. A little flip. What's the current group that you want to see in a bar having drinks after work in a movie?

Podcasters, obviously. Podcasts. Podcast producers. I mean, they know how to talk. Emergency room doctors. I like it when the pit guys have a beer after the shift. Those are some grisly stories, though, no? Yeah.

But, like, they deserve one. They deserve a cold one. They do. They deserve a cold one. I do. I would say NBA assistant coaches. That's good for Intel. Yeah, fun group.

What's age the worst? Buurning expensive paintings for real instead of just doing CGI. Rainer Wedding actually painted that painting that he burns. And they said it was worth, like, like real, real, real money. And Ben Simmons who watched the first half of this movie with me before deciding he had to go back because he had an exam the next day,

was like, that painting was fucking awesome. I can't believe they burned it. He painted it for the movie and Freakin speculated. It would have ultimately been very, very valuable. Unbelievable. Maybe do like some sort of backup. Friedkin said

after this movie, his agent fired him, his dear friend and agent Tony Fantazi who left William Morris signed with a series of agents and managers who were no more effective. And it was very, very sad for him. That's age the worst?

Yeah, that story bummed me out. Stick with Friedkin, man. He did French Connection and The Exorcist, the cruising, and 11 died of LA. You can't get fired after that. Weird little skip here where he goes Rampage the Guardian after this too. Two movies that I will defend, but are very flawed.

Are we thinking... What's the cocaine level here with Friedkin? I thought it was in the 70s. I didn't think he was in the 80s. He's like getting married to Sherry Lansing. Like, he's become, he's a very, he's much more of like a citizen at that point. What stage is the worst? They have a deleted scene where Vukovic goes to reconcile with his wife.

And they show in the special edition DVD and Freedkin says he doesn't remember why it cuts it, but regrets doing it. Yeah, it would have been given the Vukovic character a little bit more depth, I think. Yeah. He probably wanted less Pankow in the movie. He's like, fuck that guy. Jesus. This is a really bad

What's the Age is the worst. The bridge that he bungee jumps from was the Tony Scott bridge. Oh. That's tough. I didn't know that. Yeah.

My biggest What Stage is the worst is you can see them on YouTube is the alternative ending where Chance is only shy in the chest gets, lives. And Chance and Vukovic are exiled to an Anchorage, Alaska Secret Service base where they live in a hut together.

And they're just sitting there at the end of the movie and then there's a long tracking shot that shows the Alaskan Outback. But it's very funny that Freakran's like, do you guys want another ending? I'll go to Alaska and shoot you another ending.

So funny. Fucking maniac. Yeah. Wait till the Sorcer episode. The Hans Gruber score villain ranking, Defoe is Rick Masters. Six, seven, something like that.

I had eight. Yeah, I would have eight. It's a painter. It's got a lot of redeeming qualities. Oh, I forgot. I had the Marion Cobretti Pizza Cutting Award for Wadden, Enu, when the set stopped the star from doing this.

The painting. Shouldn't somebody in the set been like, yo, man, we can't actually burn that? Can we go wide shot where he's about to burn it? And then we go wide shot and replace the painting? I don't know. It's life as art, you know? Ruffelahanna, Rubin of Partridge,

overacting word. I have Panko here. What are we going to do now? It's good, though. It's good shit. That's what you would feel like. I got Robert Downey Sr. here as Thomas Bateman as well. Did you like him in this movie?

I did. He's just putting a little mustard on it every time he gets into a scene. I was just coming to see you. Yeah. You must be a mind reader. He's very amusing, but it's a lot. It's very noticeable every time he shows up. You have a flex category. Mine was the It's a Book About Metals Award, belatedly best quota exchange.

I'm getting too old for this shit two years before lethal weapon. C.R. thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford, how to take a word. I have multiple Peterson, Don Johnson things here, and I think they're intertwined here because his movie's

coming as vices. I think what we said about Costner before, I also think could have been the case for Don Johnson. And I'm just endlessly fascinated why some careers go one way. These two guys, Don Johnson

kind of peaks with Miami Vice, can't get out of it, misses that window where he can make movies. Peterson gets freaked out by the first two movies he did and just zags. And then you have Koster who's just hitting it right down the fairway. Just like, yeah, Bull Durham. Cool. Let's do that one. Field of dreams. Sounds great. Bodyguard. Like he's just doing the Clint Eastwood movie. Okay. And just has the wherewithal over and over again to make these picks that continue to vault him. Now, he made some crazy ones too, right? He does.

Dancing with Wolves worked out great. Waterworld did not. Postman, by the mid-90s, it's over. But I'm always interested. These guys that are basically the same. And then somebody vaults. In sports, it's like you have quarterbacks that are around the same.

Then it can come down to coach, offensive line, the owner, how much money you're spending, not getting injured. But with actors, it's really like all these guys were kind of next to each other, and then some went up and some didn't. Yeah, there's like a whole strain of them.

The ones that I was thinking about were Mel, Michael Douglas, Jeff Bridges, and Richard Gear, those were like, and I guess Bruce Willis to some extent, but then you also have, like, William Hurt. You've got Ralph Julia. You know, you've got, like, a band of actors in the 1980s who were sort of like...

Jeremy Irons, like, B-tier stars who are always in good films. And he... Tom Barringer is kind of in that class. He's 100% in there. And... He's another one. He's, like, somewhere to watch over me when we did that one.

But my hottest take was Peterson and Don Johnson could have just switched careers in 84 And I think it would have been absolutely captivated and see what happened And I think If you just transplanted Johnson I think Peterson could have just been

Sonny Crocker Yeah, I agree And I think Don Johnson could have been in those two movies And I think if he had been in those two movies I don't think he would have gotten freaked out by them Like Peterson did And I think he just would have been right on the Kostern corner from that moment on

And that would have been that And it actually would have been better for him And it would have all ended up with him on CSI Yes Did he ever do one of those procedural shows? That's right Of course You ever had a stake?

I got two This movie is what he would feel like With no Natalie Portman character Essentially has that kind of Interesting LA crime saga Two sides of the law Coming to a head

Has incredible set pieces It basically has minus the fat of like the Natalie Portman character or the Dennis Hayesburg character or something like that. My other hottest take is just that this is a better movie than the French Connection. It's certainly more watchable to me.

It's tough, early 70s versus... I mean, it's not as influential, obviously. Yeah. The French Connection is not aged well as a watch. Yeah. It's not that fun to pop on. Which is weird because the Exorcist is insanely watchable and it's only two years later.

But the French Connection, I don't like revisit a lot. Do you have a hottest take or no? I did one already that you'd be Mel Gibson Best that guy award Have a little switch for this one After all Craig's bitching

Have it separated into casuals, Real Ones and Deep Cut Wow Damn, calm me out Casuals Dean Stockwell That's a that guy to Craig Of course he is He was a huge star

A child star in the 50s and 60s He's like on Quantum Leap for 10 years 2026 Real ones On the TV show in the 80s He's in Blue Velvet Okay Became that guy from this movie

And from Frasier John Panca deep cut. They go to the doctor at one point after Peterson gets Tutoroh hit so. Doctors, Ray can still his dad from Field of Dreams.

Dwyer Brown. That's a great one. I don't know what category you would put this one in, but the guy that Chance chases across the footbridge is Gary Cole. That was mine.

Oh, that's a good one. He's not in that. He's more Gary Cole. I... Yeah, that's... Craig, who's Gary Cole? Oh, you don't Gary Cole. He's Lumber from office space.

No, he was in what? No, he was in the Brady Bunch movie. No. He was on Veepey. No, he was in the Brady Bunch movie. No, he was in one of the Farrell-McCadegham movies, though, wasn't it? Oh, Tala Deggan Nights. He's Ruby's brother. Dad, he's his dad.

But you don't know the name Gary Cole. I think I do know the name Gary Cole, but that doesn't mean I don't think he's not of that guy. Who Jefford, Dan Wainters? William Peterson is that guy. That's just obscene. He was on the number one show on television for 10 years. Yeah.

We don't know the name of those actors. You're just young. That's all that is. Craig gets taken off the group chat. My Dion Waiters was Totoro, who we haven't really talked about. I had Tutor as well. And the check is in the mail, and I love you, and I promise not to come in your mouth. This is really early for him, right?

He also is unknown. He's playing all the hits, all the future Torturo hits. Like every other swinging dick in here, day by motherfucking day. I can't argue with that. I do really enjoy, though, Bob Grimstein, Stockwell's character at the very end when he's watching the videotape,

and he turns to Bianca, and he's like, you may want these. There's some personal things on there. She's like, yeah, thanks. Recast the couch director. I already gave you Malcovich.

Can I offer you for DeFoe's girlfriend who we didn't really talk about? Deborah Fuhr? Yeah, Bianca. Just a couple of test drives here Sure Melanie Griffith Okay

Yeah coming off body double Rosanna Arquette Mm-hmm Desperly Seeking Susan Is that 85? Yeah Jennifer Jason Lee Sure

When's When's fast times? 82 Okay What about a home girl from Top Gun Kelly McGillis? Yeah she was a year after witness.

I'm trying to think of like a great dancer in that area. Like, because you want to have somebody who's like convincing as a dancer. Porishnikov? Um, I think that's a good. Not a comedian each, I don't know. That's basically a Melanie Griffith light performance. Mm-hmm.

I don't, not a lot of stuff happened with her. I mean, Daryl Hannah is really, I think also. Sean. That's great. Yeah. But she's doing. She's in the news lately. She's doing very similar makeup in Blade Runner as well.

I would go Bellany Griffin I had other names written down for Pankow sorry, no disrespect to you I forgot that I wrote this down Not my dad but just go ahead David Patrick Kelly from the Warriors

That could be interesting Could see that Young Michael Madsen Too handsome but Wet behind the ears What about Raymar? Oh, Riemar would be good Oh

The other one I had was J.T. Walsh Which who was once a member of one of our hallowed categories, but is no longer a part of that category. And I feel like JT in 85, it's a good one. Pretty credible. So John Hurd could be another one too for that, right? Coming off Cutter's Way, yes. Craig checked out. He's not even listening anymore.

I can do this all day. You have a, Craig, you did your flex. You want to talk about the Pittman trade or no? It's not bad. Okay. We needed a number two. There was a Pippin trade? Pitman.

Oh, Michael Pittman, yeah. Scottie Pippen got traded. I wanted him on the Jets. D.K. McCack can run free now. We'll say we're running 100 minutes already. We're past the Craig Century thing. Half a Saturday research.

I'll zoom through a couple. They produced $1 million of counterfeit money and they put deliberate errors in the money and put X. That didn't stop some of the money from leaking out. And the son of one of the crew members tried to use some of the prop money to buy candy and was caught.

And some of the money was still out. That's like its own movie. The Secret Service was, picking up bills like years later from this movie. Some default classics. And I had the same thought Craig did. There's seven movies

that could have come out of this movie and one of them is the counterfeit bill movie that they made for the movie. But then it's like, so cool. Cartier sequence took six weeks to shoot. The best part is it was the last thing shot.

So if anything happened to the actors, they would have enough banked already. And they shot it the way Sean was describing also because Freakim was just like, I just like the landscape and the horizon on the other side of the road. So we're just going to do it that way. Friedkin came up with the idea of staging the chase

against the flow of traffic in 1963 when he was driving home from a wedding and fell asleep at the wheel and spent the rest of his life wondering what would happen if he could use that in a film. It eventually did. And then...

Dreams do come true. All Panco's reactions were real. Wang Shung saw a rough cut of the film. him. Shitty actor. Wang Chug saw a rough cut before they did the song. Okay. I heard Panko cut from his J.V. basketball team.

How about that? Apex Bounty Panko? No, mad about you. Wang Chung, yes. Because we're on Wangchung Apex Mountain, no. Okay. Peterson, I think, is CSI. Yeah, it is.

I agree. Secret Service movies? Can we do the list? I made the list. Isn't it in the line of fire? That's the alternative. It's most successful, right? Yeah.

Okay, so it's in the line of fire. It's Olympus has fallen and the other has fallen films. Even I can't fully support those. The interpreter. Oh. The Sentinel. Starring Michael Douglas. Oh, I like the Sentinel.

Along came a spider. Do you like the Sentinel? I like the Sentinel. Morgan Freeman and Ashley Judd. I've seen it in a while. I like the Sentinel. For BS Month? It's a good one.

Guarding Tess, Nichols Cage, in a comedy, Charlie McLean. and then the bodyguard. Oh. Well, the bodyguard's got to be AACS. Yeah. I would also say in the line of fire, you know, in terms of depicting the secret service in a good or bad way, that guy lost Kennedy.

So, like, it's kind of already playing from behind. Great point. Would you include Dave just for the Ving Rame scenes? Love that part. I would take a bull for you, Dave. It's on. MGM's been showing it lately. Have they?

Yeah. This is on MGM, right? Do you think that's because there's a new MGM Plus show called, I forget what it's going, called starring Kevin Klein. Are you aware of this? I saw that. With Kevin Klein and Laura Linney's in it.

And Laura Linney. Yeah. What? It's like a bad live for like this show exists. It's called American Classic. American Classic. Kevin Klein and Laura Lenny. Right?

John Tenney is the third lead. John Tenney. It's some famous Broadway actor goes back. Okay. And is in a local play near the end of his career, all hell breaks loose. I almost fired it up last night. Love Kevin Kline. Apex Mountain, William Peterson.

We did William Defoe. Platoon? Spider-Man? Platoon? After Platoon, it felt like he was going to be one of the next big actors. Like, he could pick his parts for a while. Yeah, I mean, he was in last temptation of Christ. Yeah.

Every other actor in this movie except John Tutorial, probably Apex Mountain. Yeah, Darlane, Deborah Fuhr. Yeah, all that's. Freedkin, no. Setting art on fire? Not prepared for that one. Bungy jumping in a movie? 2 is probably up there for that one.

Bungee jumping probably one of the crews. Jackass number two? Jackass number two. Good one. Getting shot in the dick. Ooh. Pulp Fiction. Golden Eye bungee jump.

Yeah, great. GoldenEye, great bungee jump. Pulp Fiction, obviously, Dick Apex Mountain. 1985, Chevy and Palace? There's a Ferrari at this one, too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Cruiser Hanks.

Cruise is Rick. Agreed. Cruz almost like interviewed the vampire Magnolia type of Cruz yeah

yeah slick long hair demon eyes loves this would probably insist on doing the art himself I had Cruz

as Rick as well Scorsese over Spielberg Yep Yes Best hang Worst hang Best hang is Rick Rick is Rick

Rick's an amazing hang He's got He gets your presents on your birthday He's got he's got style Okay.

Introduce you to the art world. Can I play, can we play this out a little bit? What is minute 11 of a conversation with Rick? I grew up in a house with cops. I'm just saying. It's Rick times a billion. I know the real plus minus of the Chicago Bulls night.

What do you want to talk about? For me, it's, it's a chance. Chance number one, worst hang is Cody, always complaining about his ulcers. Be real.

Like, shoot straight here. Come on. This isn't most interesting person. I think Rick can introduce you into fun night. in new worlds, but I think conversationally, Rick might not be the best. But he can have the craziest night with you. Rick's like, want to take a sauna?

It's just get naked and pleasant? Is it best hang, worst hang forever? Is it like, it's not best friends forever? It's like one night, one night. Well, one night it's Rick. Rick is, has the craziest night for sure. Just you wake up without. Rick's like, I'd like to introduce you to my friend, Jane leaves.

Sure, but like, chance might be like, let's go to the topless bar in Terminal Islands. Like, you know what I mean? I know the door girl. There's a Steelers game. Yeah. My question. Long snapping. I got to lunch.

Picking Nits. I never sat right with me when Chance notices something's wrong with the room service order. Oh, yeah. Why? I mean, he's just about to leave and he just hears a clank and sees somebody walking. There's nobody supposed to be on that floor. Is that what it was?

Is that what it was? Okay. It's supposed to be clear. How about Jimmy pulling the guy down from the floor below, the terrorist, pulling him back? Where's he coming from? He's, like, climbing up from, like, probably a lower roof onto the top of the building. But I think it's a stupid scene. Tuturo's talking to Defoe on the jail phone.

Unbelievable shit. Do people just do this? They just openly confess crimes on the jail phone? I got caught caring for you, man. Yeah, motherfucker. And he's like, don't run. But you can just do this. I'm sure criminals do it all the time.

Why don't they just monitor the jail phones? Why don't they like do surveillance? That's nice. That's a really good pot idea. Prison pot? Like a prison law pod? Yeah, like convict and his and his plug is in his connect and they meet up. Should we change like the reality TV pot where they're just calling each other through?

A funny minute on my, you know, it's the most random shit on your Instagram algorithm sometimes. Yeah. I was getting women in the Idaho prison system. Yeah, the most random stuff on your algorithm that tracks all of your interests all the time. So you obviously clicked on one. Date women in the Idaho prison system. Do they all look like Darlane Flukel? No, sadly not.

But I was just like, these checks seem pretty interesting, you know? Like, online. Wow, that's one where you have to go in the algorithm and remove it. Yeah. Because they have to delete the tag. You just have to, like, delete the tag. I think I did eventually, but not for like, there was still, like, nine days where I was just like, wow,

Brie from outside of Boise City. She loves anime. It's cool. I have a picking net. I only had two more, which was the cars on the wrong side of the road, even though we talked about the intentionally. And then why does Vukovic get chances Bronco at the end of the movie?

I know. A lot of questions about that. Probably doesn't have a will in testimony. But yeah. my question is it just seems like it would be much easier for chance to execute masters rather than like create

all these different crimes to cover up for each other to arrest him yeah it's like to do the by the book you arrest them but you're also breaking laws to do it by the book there's no way that case would have ever stood up and to say nothing of the fact that Dean Stockwell already knows how criminal their investigation

is well relatedly I feel like picking Nitz could just be an entire Vincent Chase Award like are we sure this character is actually good at his job because here's some of the things the chance does. He races through security and alerts Carl to his presence in the airport rather than just show his ID quietly

and find him on the people mover and apprehend him. Then he allows an affair with an informant to shade his ability to make good choices and that ultimately leads to him taking the deal with Thomas Ling, which is clearly a setup. And he says to a judge when he's trying to get his escaped prisoner back, if I was

one of your asshole cronies, you'd be spread eagle on your desk to do this for me. And then later he gets shot in the face by a bodyguard. Chance is not good. Like, at all. He just takes risks. That good.

And it's also not, it's pretty telling. I don't think that there was a long line of guys to replace Jimmy Hart. Like, when Chance loses his partner, it's not like everybody's like, damn, chances up. I can be his partner. Right. No, like, they were like, you can have Vukovic. That's why he had nobody to leave his Bronco to.

Right. That's a good point. That's a great moment early in the movie when they're all drinking the heart after they apprehend or they, you know, they've foiled the terrorist plot. And Hart's like, this fucking Yahoo, you know, and he's pointing a chance and he's like, this guy's gotten to me into some trouble.

How could but Vukovic gets the Bronco? Does he get the Malibu House? Good question. I also have some questions about what's Starling Flugel's character's name? Ruth. Ruth. Who in the book is called Ruthie the Rat. Yeah. She's the rat. As we find out during the movie, she's probably

feeding info. No other guys ever over at the house? So it's just the unannounced stop-by and nobody else there, but they're not really dating. And she can't do the, hey, when can we get more serious? Because he's like,

I'll just revoke your parole. Right. This is going to be the arrangement. But is she not allowed to have other guys over? I mean, I feel like she's just been fully coerced into that relationship. Sure. You know, it's not...

I don't mean, though. It's like, at what point is she like, well, I do have a boyfriend, you know, long-haul trucker. She gets sent back to prison. sequel prequel prestige TV all black cast are untouchable I'm going all black cast for this one we haven't had in a while I said the same black cast would be amazing

Yeah, I'd be pretty sick They tried to make a prestige series of this for WGN Freak and Tried but didn't got the ground Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Fergie the florist Zane Lowe or somebody else How are you guys feeling about Zane? I mean every week it's the highlight of my week I love it chance man

You just jumped off of Vincent Thomas And nobody thought you could do it Alvarez didn't think you could do it. Your partner, Jimmy Hart didn't think you could do it. But here you are. And you got Jimmy Hot killed in some ways because you didn't get his back. But Vukovic is here now. And just tell me, man, what are you going to, what do your plans?

What do you plans with Ruth? What are your plans for Masters? Such a talented artist in his own right. Just the whole idea. I thought you were going to have them interviewing Rick Masters to go. Rick. Rick. The artist.

Yes, the artist. The artist is here. You've done such beautiful work, both with money and with painting. What is it? I can't get over the idea of Zane Lowe inviting a local cop on a show. To talk to him about his like what he's investigating, what's going on in his life. It's like, well, we've got a lot of episodes of the show. It's hard, man.

I was driving a little Ryan Ruko and Doris Burke doing the car chase and Dorisberg's just calling everybody Mr. Mr. Mr. We see you Mr. Jans. We see Mr. Chants.

He's driving up the one-way ramp and then Rucco's like, is he going to get there? You bet! Just want to ask her who gets it. Can I offer you original song? Hey. Original song or soundtrack?

Original song. Best music. Okay. The winner was Say You Say Me from White Nights by Lano Ritchie. I mean, honestly, that song kind of sucks and I like Lano Ritchie.

I wouldn't put that in top 12 Lano Ritchie's. Tough one. Okay. Say you, say me, say it together, naturally. That song sucks. I wasn't really hoping you were going to sing it.

Is that worked out for you. Am I right? Does that song suck? I never fucking like Lano Ritchie. I don't know what you. I'm pro Lano Ritchie. All night long is amazing. Easy.

Like, I'll go on and on. But that song's bad. Wang Chung not nominated. Wang Chong not nominated. Color Purple Song was nominated. The power of love from Back to the Future, honestly, also could have won. Banger, yeah.

Yeah, come on. Separate lives from White Knight and then a chorus line one. But fucking Wang Chung. Could have seen them at the Oscars? Pretty cool. And the nominees are To Live and Die in L.A.

by Wang Chung. Yeah. Would have been amazing. Was that Anthony Hopkins? Who were you just doing that? I don't know. Okay. Probably an answerable questions. I don't have any.

Oscar to Robbie Miller, please. Yeah, sure. I don't have any more unanswerable questions yet because we've done all of them. I did my whole, like, how did you find out who won that game? I always wondered about this. Chances Jimmy Hart wasn't just his partner. He was his best friend for seven years. Can somebody really be your best friend after seven years?

But you feel like you've got to make a deeper and best thing. Yeah. Wow, interesting. Is HyFitts your best friend? You've done Hyatt fit seven years. Craig's a good person asked. Good call. I love them both equally, Danny and D.K.

Probably not my best friends. They're taking this question. Yeah, sure there. I actually do have an unanswerable question. I was debating whether to trot it out or not. Okay. I have some counterfeit money questions. So the amount of time,

energy, money expenses to make counterfeit money, it didn't seem like a small operation, right? You have all those printing presses and the paint and chemicals and stuff. chemicals, not cheap. And then somebody's buying the money. So I'm paying $100,000 but I'm getting

$500,000 of money, something like that. Probably like something like that. I don't think it's a good business. Not to mention you could be arrested and go to jail. Jeff is like, if you're printing the money, what do you give a shit when I make? He's like, just print more money and give it to it. How about if you're printing the money, why don't you just keep the money and just buy shit with it?

it or bring it to like Columbia and buy drugs and then take the drugs and bring them back. Like, what's the point of selling counterfeit money for money? Because I think it's probably supposed to be the criminal act that's closest to artistic creation for masters. I think this is a really interesting examination of how your mind works. Because I don't think the generally held opinion is that counterfeiting money is a good way to make money or a good job or safe. Yeah. It's a terrible idea. It's a terrible idea.

It's very likely you're going to get arrested. so dangerous. And I think for all the expensive time that you put into it, I don't see the upside. Well, the only people that are buying the money from you are also criminals. And if you sell that money to the wrong person and then that person gets caught, you're fucked. Because not only, either

they're going to rat on you or you're going to get killed. Right. There's 40 things that can go wrong and the only thing that can go right is that you don't get caught. And it seems like Rick is like making like 30 grand here and 80 grand there. It's not like a huge number. I would rather make the counterfeit money. And if

I'm already going to jail for being a criminal. At that point, like, I'd want to try to buy large quantities of cocaine and heroin. Use the counterfeit money for that to fool the drug dealers. Bring the drugs back. Now selling that. Now I'm going to make, like, quintuple. I'm in the 80s where everybody's doing drugs anyway. I just wanted more from Rick Masters.

I thought he was a better business mind. Yeah, I just think maybe you got a job. Feels like a better way to do it. Well, like, so we're going to Bakersfield to make the money. That's smart, right? He's saving on rent and expenses. He's out of the B-Path. He's got low overhead.

It's just him and Jack. Low overhead. But I just don't see the upside. There's probably not a health plan for those guys. I think for Rick in particular, there's just a nice crossover with his artistic interests and the precision that is required to do the work. So it's like it's kind of an, it's like an artisan. You know, it's like a blacksmith who really loves the work that they do.

My other question is, how much did his bodyguard guy make? How much of those guys make, CR? They get a cut of the process? I bet he is cut in. I signed a new deal. I get 10%. Yeah. And I bet for a guy like that, probably, like, what are the other career options for him?

Right? Probably got out of jail. Yeah. Craig, where do you stand on counterfeiting money in just in general? That whole phenomenon. Because I don't feel like. I don't feel like anybody's doing it anymore because I don't think it was a good business. Nobody uses paper money anymore.

But have you ever seen, like, when you go to a bodega or whatever and you pay with a 20, they like do something with a highlighter on it to see if it's real? Yeah, that rings vaguely familiar. but, you know, now there's digital counterfeiting. Now you have some... Much better business. I was thinking about...

There's coin and crypto. That is fun for Rick, though, because he's an artist. The move in eyes wide shut where Bill is like, gets there in the cab, tears the money in half, and he's like, I'll give you the other half of this

when I come out. And I was like, what if you try that on a cab driver today? Do you think you would just be like get the fuck out of my car? Well, he'd still want to get paid somewhat. Yeah, but like, If you were like, here, like, you can tape this back together.

Like, wouldn't he be like that? He does that when he arrives at the big house, the outside of the party. I mean, the problem is he's all the way out and bum fuck. Sure. He's from Long Island. So he kind of has nowhere to go. It's a tough one. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie?

Rick's burned painting before he burns it. Yeah, I wrote Masters' art collection. I would want the briefcase that Peterson slams, which we forgot to mention how funny that was, that he's for real slamming the briefcase until it opens. I would have that. briefcase, but also with the counterfeit money that they made for the movie inside the briefcase. I think it would be the sweet spot.

I think it would be cool to have like $1 bill from this movie that had the X on it. Maybe come with like a poker chip, like the ones they used to beat it up. That'd be cool. Double feature choice. I had Manhunter, would you have? Thief? Very good. Or have you seen

Boiling Point? The Wesley Snipes movie, which is also about counterfeiting money. Oh, I haven't. 1993. I haven't seen this. Dennis Hopper, he plays a counterfeiter, and Wesley Snipes is on his trail. They're very similar.

Are there enough money? Are there enough counterfeiting movies for counterfeiting movie month? Well, we've just knocked one off, and I've named the other. Not sure if I can name another. There's got to be. There's got to be.

Catch me if you can is checks. Yeah. Does that count? That's good. That was another one. We loved one in that movie when he was counterfeiting the checks. Yeah.

Maybe I'd just like counterfeiting. I had a point blank, John Borman movie. kind of has like some of the impressionistic moments of this. Who won the movie? I think Freak I'll say Peterson.

I think it's 100% Peterson. Okay. Because this starts his career and eventually leads to CSI and him just wandering around Larchmont and jogging pants just throwing 20s at people to get him a Starbucks.

Did you do that? No, I'm making that up. Do you think he's ever running a remar and in the neighborhood. I bet those guys had some war stories. Like a handshake? Yeah. Maybe they,

did you see like the handshake DeFoe and Jeff have? Yes. And they're like, kind of like, pounding, but also like doing a little thumby war action.

Yeah. You think should we start doing that? Yeah. Craig, do you want a handshake for when we see each other? We don't have one. Like LeBron James has

with his teammates? That'd be great. Okay. Well, like a full dance. There's too many ways for men to dab each other. It's like a double dab. What are you,

are you like a bring-it-in-in guy? It depends on who you're greeting. It can go all over the place. You could do a stern handshake. You could do the full dab and wrap. When you see your father-in-law, what's your move? Handshake into the wrap-around hug. You will hit the hug. Good for you.

My man radar has been on the fritz recently. I feel like I've gotten hugged when I thought we were shaken and I think I've gone for the shake when you know what I mean? It's hard to read. I've just been going hugs lately for everybody. But if you meet someone for the first time, you're just going pure handshake, right? No?

Yeah, sometimes do the high, high-five with the quick hug. Jacobi seems very committed to the fist bump. Yeah. He's stuck with it. It's safe. But it throws me off because I'll sometimes go up and, like, grab his fist. I'm like, I don't even know how we're going to hang out anymore. You know?

Craig, your thoughts on to live and die in L.A. Man, literally the first five seconds of the movie. I was like five stars. It's great. Music's out of control. I really... I can't tell if I'm starting to develop poor music taste because that kind of music now

is really speaking to me and I'm like going back to that kind of early 80s kind of music and I find it to be great. But this movie falls in that category of... Maybe these don't make a ton of sense, but they do in my brain of like... Body Heat, American Gigolo, blowout, I wrote it down, body double.

I love these like fucked up 80s movies where the city plays a real role in the movie like the city is a character and like you were saying what was it high art low culture that sweet spot I really really like and this is like as good

as it could get I loved it I'm not suppressed there's only a couple cities that you could do a movie like this too right but this is back in the day when you could run and gun in L.A. and it wasn't It's got to be warm weather it's a movie about the sun

yeah yeah I think I do like movies where everyone's hot sweaty It just works. And it's like the movie is two things at once. It can be a turn it on, check out, just have a good time. And then if you really watch it, like you guys are saying,

even the more you talk about it, having seen it 10 plus times. Yeah, we didn't even get to, like, was Ruth selling out chance the whole time? Like, to who? There's clear meaning and messaging within. I didn't even think that was a debate. Yeah, I think she was.

But like, who was she calling? Was she calling Grimes? Was she calling Masters? Who was she calling it? I think, I mean, the true masterminds of the movie are Grimes and Ruth, right? Yes. Is it Darlanean?

Darland. She would have meant a lot to me in 1985. She's very special. Yeah, that checks out. Can I ask, what is the modern comp for this kind of movie? Is it caught stealing? So one of my other double features was dragged across concrete, which you and I were just talking about, which I think is pretty similar to this, where it's like really nasty. Yeah.

And it's more at night instead of during the day, but very beautifully shot. They took a run at this late 90s into the early 2000. NARC. Yeah, NARC is a good version of this. What's the one with... What about Rush with Jason Patrick? Yeah. Dude, you want to do...

What are we going to do Rush, brother? That'll be good. I mean, if we do Rush, Jason Patrick will probably show up and crash it. Do you think if you were an undercover cop, drug cop, at that time, you would have gone in too deep and not been able to get out? Yeah, you do. What about you? Yes. Yes.

Get in too deep. the point of being an undercover cop to keep it just shallow enough? You guys kind of have a heart and chance thing going on now that I think about it. Is there a way to have an undercover cop that gets in too deep but working with a cop who doesn't play by the rules? Is the internet

ever crossed those streams before? A guy who's like, I'm into deep. They're just both. They're in two separate movies basically but they're partners. Right. Yeah. The cowboy and the drug addict. I feel like Sierra's going to be thinking about this Pankout thing for some time.

Yeah, it's going to haunt me all night. I feel like Hank out might. 85 Bulls Highlights. That's why I always feel bad when we talk about, listen, he had a great career. I do have to point out when Chance is pretending to be Jessup, some of the worst tricep extension form of ever seen. So I was curious about how you felt about doing deals with your boys while doing lifting. It's another great idea for a pod, perhaps.

I don't think we played that up enough, the lifting scene. Yeah. I'd said it was the most 1885 thing about this movie. They're all incredibly close. Like all three of them are within 10 feet of one. You notice there's two other people behind. One of whom is like this jacked female

like bodybuilder with bleach blonde hair. Freaking. Who's just doing this in a mirror? And it looks, it honestly looks like it's about to be a porn scene. Yeah. He was such a little freak. I love freaking.

Yeah. It's just the weirdest in these movies. I cannot get over the flashback to the sex scene in the final minutes of, like the final minute of the movie. We even talking about the end when he's like, you work for me now. That's the craziest thing in the world. He's like, I'm your pimp just because my partner died.

That's fucking nuts. That goes fast with Pankow going dark. The end goes by fast, but I think that's because there was the tension around like the alternative endings and stuff. I care less even about what actually happens. The movie is more of just a vibe to me. It is watching the last 10 minutes. I'm like, I don't even really care. That's what I'm saying.

It's a great hang. You watch it now and you're just like, oh my God, I can't believe the sign on the bar. Yeah. Every room you're in is cool. I literally made a, like, halfway through the. the movie I realize every single room we're in looks cool for some reason. And I tried to think about that for the rest of the movie and it holds true. When he's drinking Miller and a shot before he rips off Ling, the sign behind him says

T.mpo Dorado Miller. And I was like, that's the best Miller time sign I've ever seen. CR month, three in the books. Rolling, this is part of the LA trilogy we're doing. Do we have one? Are we doing five movies or four? It's a five movie month. So we have...

Do we know what the fifth is? Yeah, LA Confidential. Oh, LA Confidential. So Nice Guys is fourth and then LA Confidential is fifth. So you might join us for that one if the Oscars doesn't kill you. For LA Confidential. Yeah. Yeah.

We might be in Andy Greenwald. It's going to be the first four-person rewatchable we've done in a while. At the other studio. At the other studio. Yeah. I can't wait. Any other feedback on CR Month before we go? I just really appreciate everybody's kind sentiments.

This has been a lot of fun. These movies are awesome. People have been asking for merch. Merch? merch? How do you feel about a Phillies hat but with CR in the Phillies script? I so know if the Phillies get litigious about that.

I feel like you're a vocal advocate. I am. I am. I believe in everything Dave Dombrowski does. If the Phillies got litigious about that, that would be fucking bullshit. It would also be like... How dare they do that to CRM?

It would also be great for the pot. It would. A scandal? A scandal. Just deepen your folk hero status. You bought the hats with counterfeit money? from your kind of front money business. And then, like, we would have Bryce Harper come on.

He'd be like, yeah, fuck, Dombrowski. I am elite. Have you followed that story? That's a great story. That's it for the rewatchables. Thanks to Craig and to Gahow as well, to Eduardo. We'll be back with CR Month, which will be... Nice guys.

Nice guys. Gosselin, Crow. Excited for this one. Me too. See you next week.