The Rewatchables - ‘Top Gun’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Mallory Rubin, and Jason Concepcion

Episode Date: July 23, 2019

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, Mallory Rubin, and Jason Concepcion have lost that looooovin’ feeling as they rewatch ‘Top Gun’ starring Tom Cruise, Val Kilmer, and Kelly McGillis. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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The elite the best of the best. Top Gun rewatchable is coming next. I'm going to send you up against the best. Sir, you two characters are going to Top Gun. I feel the need for speed. Five weeks you're going to apply against the best fighter pilots in the world. You guys really are Cowboys I don't like you because you're unsafe

That's right I am dangerous Tom Cruise Kelly McGillis Top Gun All right Chris Ryan is here Malie Rubin here is here and Jason getseye own

It's like binge mode cross with the rewatchables I didn't even realize this until right now I love it Top Gun this is the first ever emergency rewatching It really is Reservoir Dogs was supposed to be running today and the Top Gun trailer got us all so excited and we all felt the need for speed

and we're just doing this and now we're racing to get this up. I think it was, you saw the Top Gun Maverick trailer and you were just like, you know it's a good fucking movie? Top Gun. It was almost like too obvious for the rewatchable.

It's like, yeah, let's have one of the five most rewatchable movies ever. All right, Legacy of this movie, for me, it's the movie that made Tom Cruise a megastar. What is it for you, Chris Ryan? It's the 80s. It is the 80s. to me. You know, like, there's a lot of movies that kind of represent the 80s. I think with Stranger Things, we think a lot about Goonies and E.T. and some of the Spielberg stuff, but this is

like... Nikes. Sounds like the 80s, looks like the 80s. Guys talk like they're in the 80s. They dress like they're in the 80s. They have mustaches. They listen to Kenny Loggins. Yes. It just represents like a decade for better and for worse for me. Jason. It's the perfect fusion of the music video aesthetic with big box office, like, spectacle. It is in that sense Exactly what Chris says. It is the 80s This movie came out before I was born Wow. So I don't think of it really in terms of its era or what it represents

I do think of it as a movie that Really reinforced how important aviators, bomber jackets, and blue lighting during fucking are That's the legacy for me Wow, coming in Blue Lighting Now it's not even asking for permission to buzz the tower Listen, I've done 200 podcast episodes with her. I know it.

I'm in the back, like goose being like, Ma'am. Chase is my R-I-L. Mal, are you sure you want to do this? Well, what's out? Let's go in order. Tom Cruise, not a megastar before this movie. No. Risky business. That was great. Taps.

Taps. He was a risky business made him a star, and then he did, what was it, legend? And there was like kind of a two-year Tom Cruise cooling off period. Yeah. And then this ignites Tom Cruise It creates the next 12 years of Tom Cruise As sex object Which is a relatively short-lived part of his career

It's like symbol Let's say sex symbol instead of sex object. Sure, sorry. You know? He's a person. Yeah, but sex symbol Tom Cruise. Yeah. I can't tell if this is a bit or that.

You should listen to range modes. If there was thought bubbles above Mallory's head Right now, it's just the greased up volleyball scene where a Maverick checking his watch, you know that like very flex, got a flex to check the watch. I can't wait to break down so many different points. Yeah. There's a lot to go through.

As a sex symbol, it doesn't really, you know, it's relatively short-lived because the only other movies where he's like deeply romantic with people are like far and away. Yeah. And, uh, eyes wide shut. Which he actually doesn't have sex with anybody in eyes wide shut. Yeah. And so most of like the last 20 years have been pretty like chased action movies. Jerry McGuire.

He gets. and that kind of. Him and Kelly Pressing after it. So this is also where he creates the quintessential Tom Cruise character. That's right. The brash, hot shot, handsome. Thinks he's probably a little better than he is,

but maybe he can back it up. And he just basically does this part for the next, I would say, 12 years. Over and over again. Still doing it. In fact, Days of Thunder is Top Gun with cars and even has the same thing where at the end of Top Gun

when he veers away from helping ice and slider and then he goes back. thing as like in the pivotal race of Days of Thunder. Same director, same producers, same everything. There's the car accident ahead. He's like, do I drive through this or not? And then he just puts it down. But this became a formula for him.

Did not feel like a formula in 1986. This movie was really, really successful at a time when movies could come out of nowhere and shock people. It didn't even do that well. I think it was in mixed reviews. Yeah. I understand why the critics were skeptical of this movie. How dare they?

But I will say this for it. I watched it over the weekend, obviously. Probably would have done that even if we weren't going to record this. Because that's just how you spend a Saturday to make clear. Wow. It's rewatchable. And the thing that that age the best, I'm not trying to cannibalize that, is these are fucking planes.

Like, those are real planes. These guys are flying. It's like a very tactile movie. And when that jet takes off in the beginning off the aircraft carrier and the camera is just like right. underneath of it and you go away from the ship, you're like, this is happening. This is not CGI. Like, this is all really, really happening.

And that is a kind of hallmark of 80s blockbusters that sort of have gotten, it's gotten lost a little bit. Like a couple of directors can still pull stuff like that off. But just like the real spectacle of you are there. This is what it's like is kind of amazing still. Yeah, it does feel modern. That part doesn't feel. There's some couple moments where there's 80s graphics.

Like at one point they're simulating the migs on a computer And it looks like it's like Atari A broken Atari But the jet stuff still holds up I know that gives you a rush Jason I absolutely love it I mean like I love the opening of this movie

With that like steady now iconic Like synth pulse Like top gun anthem And then you see all the guys Like setting up the deck of the ship Getting ready to get the cables back And all that stuff And it's just like Chris said

It's more than just the jets, which are awesome. It's showing you, here's this entire world populated by all these people, doing all these things that you don't think about. And on top of it is the best of the best, these pilots who are the absolute cream. And here's this entire world that's built up to support them. It's so cool. Yeah, you feel every beat of sweat dripping down your own face.

It is extremely immersive. You really, you really love this movie. Chris and I spent a while this morning talking about the amount of sweat in this movie. I'm looking forward to discussing that at length. But with Cruz in particular, the way we think about him now is so tied up in, oh, you know that he wants to fully embody that character and make you believe and make himself believe that he could do that thing. Right. Right. Like he's famous for that. I'm going to do all my stuns. I'm going to actually hang off the plane with the laundry. And you do actually believe it. As silly as that sounds to say as you're watching this movie, that he could and would do all of those things. And that actually is also part of. the criticism of it, though, is that it plays kind of like a naval recruitment video. So much of it is about, wow. Boy, does that look dope, which obviously is a spectator as part of the fun of it.

But I think for critics at the time did not sit so well. Yeah, I mean, 86, we probably, most younger people, like, had a different relationship to the military industrial complex. I mean, that was like, Pete Reagan, just kind of like, yeah, man, Cold War, let's get after it. We're kind of itching for a war. Vietnam is sort of receded. I mean, I didn't know a lot about Vietnam as a 10-year-old. So it was sort of like, this was just sort of like an American Fantasia.

Yeah. And it was this idea that you could merge basically a sports movie, which is the competition that happens in Top Gun with a war movie, which is the two scenes that bookend the movie of like whatever is happening over the Indian Ocean. It's pretty awesome. I mean, like that was like a pretty interesting like combination of genres. It's the perfect year for this movie to come out. And then the iteration.

it would take over the next few years. So 86, there's a Miami Vice influence with the music video, MTV Miami Vice of, you just have whole scenes where there's no dialogue. That really wasn't happening before like 84. The unintentional comedy of this movie, which became, in my opinion, one of its true legacies, was inherent in 1986. We knew there were certain scenes that were funny, but then there were other scenes that we were kind of really into,

and then they eventually became funny. And then the way it was analyzed leading to, Tarantino and sleep with me when he plays the party guest who has this whole theory that this is a gay military machine and he's doing the whole thing and that's when it turns

it, Top Gun turns into something else right around there where it's like an S&L sketch crossed with a movie we love. It's on all the time it was HBO Cinemax TNT everyone had seen a million times that had something for women had something for men it's patriotic. It's Tom Cruise is Tom Cruise.

And now we're here 30. It's also patriotic with literally like no explanation of the geopolitical steaks. It's like we have an emergency situation. Yeah. Crisis. You know, the thing about Tom Cruise is like the camera loves him and Tony Scott, you could just feel him being like, oh man, I'm going to get closer. I want to see the sweat. I want to see the poorest.

Look at this guy. Again, not hard to see the sweat. Yeah. But that's like everything in this movie is Tony Scott falling in love with literally everything that's on, like the fighter jets, the uniform. Rick Rassavich. The bar scenes, like everything, like, depicted in the most, like, loving and almost, like, erotic, daisy way. The depiction of, like, Miramar as this almost, like, abandoned beach town.

The haze coming up. Yeah. It's like, every, like, the sunset vistas. It's just, like, Kelly McGillis' character just has what would be, like, a $5 million house on the beach. I'm like, I've seen that on million dollar listing. She's just, like, renting it, and, like, her doors open. She's got some birds. It's, like, just, like, a completely different world.

She's got that astroph. physicist bank, though. Yeah, but she's like, I can't wait to get out of Miramar here. She's like, I got to get to the swamp. And you're thinking, like, Miramar seems great. Why do you want to leave? She's got the convertible. What a life.

So it got Tom Cruise. It's the height of the 80s. I did the military thing is an important point because the Vietnam, basically Vietnam Cambodia is done by 74. And then for the next eight years or so, there's just Vietnam movies and about the destruction of war and first blood and coming home and deer hunter. and it just goes on and on. And then it kind of stops.

And then we hit this new era of like, hey, the military is kind of cool. Yeah. And it just reboots and you have a movie like this. Yeah, but interestingly enough, same year as Platoon. So, I mean, at the same time, right. And I remember seeing Platoon and being like, I don't ever want to be a soldier.

You know, and I would never want to do anything related to any of this. It just seemed like hell on earth, you know. So it was like right with it. It was shot chaser, you know. Shot Chaser. More legacy. Blew up Val Kilmer and Meg Ryan. Meg Ryan's first movie.

She's like... She's like... She's like... She's like... She's like... ...on the fifth card of actors. Carol! Yeah.

And Val Kilmer was kind of around and was one of those that was always thrown around. It's like... Is Willow before this? Willow... Top secret? Top secret. Top secret. Definitely.

And then real genius is after this. There was there was Val Kilmer stock that people were buying. Real genius. Really underrated. Yeah. So you have that. And then. This is one of the weirdest performances in a movie I've ever seen. It's bizarre by Val Kimber.

Every choice he makes is like, what are you doing? Can we capture on audio all of us chomping our teeth at the same time? Like, when you rewatch Iceman telling Pete he's sorry about goose? Yeah. And he gets like 47 seconds of him not crying. It's so wild to me. It's like experimental theater. The sniffing was a weird power play.

Yeah, the sniffing was insult. We all liked him. Yes When I was in college, I used to imitate Valcomer walking and Top Gun in the doors because he had the same kind of walk where he'd kind of do this

and he'd kind of strutting around. Yeah, I mean, he was immediately funny. Valcomber was immediately funny but then it's become funnier but I also think it's like one of his best performances. I love Valcomber. It's certainly iconic. I mean, everything about it.

The frosted tips, the chomp, the chomp, the cheese. There's choices being made. The lines. He doesn't actually have that many lines of dialogue, really. A lot of it is like the way that his presence sort of looms. Literally in the background as Maverick is looking over his shoulder at the guy who's a clear threat. That stuff is unbelievable to me on the rewatch.

It's like they're not actually engaging with each other, but Maverick's sitting in the front row. Ice is in the back. And they're just like kind of like glancing at each other and like glowering like a literal dick measuring contest like happening. in this classroom. Sadly, not a literal one. Well, if only. And that's another legacy of this movie.

It's, it's... Da-na, dunna, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. We're in the danger zone. Now it is living on the edge right now. Wait do we get to this next topic.

She's gripping it too tight. This is one of the most homoerotic movies ever made during an era where that was pretty homoerotic, just in. general and there was a lot of underlying stuff and when you watch this especially the beach volleyball scene yeah which you can feel it at the time but now has become the go-to joke if you're ever going to make a joke about the 80s and you know Tony Scott even admits it I have something from him later about just he's lubing these dudes up in baby oil like he was like we're

going for this guy's the camera absolutely like the gaze of that of that volleyball scene is like really something to behold. Like, he's just like, I'm going to just linger on these guys as they're just like, here's Maverick flexing again for the fifth time to figure out when he's got to go get on his Kawasaki ninja and like go to not even a date, like to take a shower at a woman's house. Like, yeah, we're getting to that. I mean, it's a cliche to say, you know, men want to be him and women want to be with them. But that's it.

But that was that volleyball scene. You're just like, it is hysterically funny now, but at the time, the idea of like lubing all these dudes up and making them play volleyball. In jeans. In jeans and shoes. It was just like a guest commercial. By the way, no girls to be seen. Spiking on a like a seven-foot net. Yeah.

Well, they had to do that for Cruz. Then the Air Force Rotsie thing, like when I was in college, we had a guy, Jim Kelly. One of our eventual roommates. It's one of the whitest guys alive. So white that I gave him the nickname Night Train because it was just funny to call a white guy night train. But he was a Razi guy. And he was there because of Top Gun.

He saw Top Gun and he's like, I want to fly planes and came to Holy Cross because he wanted to be in the Rotsie program. But Top Gun was like really a recruitment video. And they said like the application spiked for like six, seven years after this movie in a way that it hasn't happened since. They had naval recruitment bases set up in movie theaters, right? Right. After, you would leave the theater.

That's amazing. So when he told us this, we thought he was kidding. And then we realized, oh, he's serious. Top Gun really inspired him to do this. But I think there were kids all over the place that want to do this. You're like being a Navy fighter pilot seems like a pretty dope gig. Except for the dying part. The dying part didn't seem as dope.

Yeah. The being in a tailspin and then having your head hit that airplane. That definitely sucks. But I just feel like you get to like retire early and just teach. Yeah, and just hang out. You know? You can do that as a journalist. And have grown men call you jester and viper?

You know, like small English department in Miramar, though? You know what I mean? Like, there's no liberal arts school. I don't know. The other thing, and I think it's underrated is like the uniforms look fucking great. Yeah. They look so cool. They were fucking white t-shirts and Hawaiian shirts and stuff.

It's like they're wearing those deck, like the flight deck jackets with the little popped collars and like the patches. It's like, man, you look, those look dope. Also, can we talk about the thing that as a child, as like a 10 year old was the coolest part about it? Yeah. The call signs. Yeah, that's 100%. Uh, probably the first pop culture center conversation I ever had in my life was what's your, what's your call sign? Mm-hmm.

You know, and who had the best call sign, who had a cool call sign, but the character wasn't good enough. Yeah. Like, what would you, like, would it be? Yeah. Well, let's talk about it right now. What was your favorite call sign in the movie? What was the one you were most jealous of? I thought Iceman was pretty great.

Iceman's kind of hard to beat. It's just... I really liked Sundown. I feel like that guy really got jobbed in the movie. He gets to fly with Cruz once. I have him later. Get put on the next mission. And he's definitely just like, you fucked up.

You messed up that you could have had the shot. And he's like, I'll shoot when I'm goddamn ready. And they have like that fight. And then he gets to be with Tim Robbins. Sundown was in the right on that one. Yeah. Sundown was totally like just caught.

He also took the mic during the summer. They're in the song and the bar. He gets the second verse and just gets cut out. We never get to hear his version. So I like the name of Sundown. I also like Merlin a lot. Merlin is good. Merlin is definitely good.

That's Tim Robbins. It is, yeah. I'm wearing my Viper shirt today, which is not a Top Gun Viper shirt. This is, of course, a Battlestar Galactica, Viper shirt. One more, a bit of pop culture where call signs really just play a central role.

So I'm going to go out of the top gun set and say that Starbuck is obviously the best call sign. One of the coolest things about... In pop culture, Paul Sign History. Starbucks. It's alternate. Battlestar. It's like, is that is being able to invent your characters name, you know, Batman and stuff.

And I think, like, I was absolutely taken with that with Top Gun, too, with just the ability to have, like, this alternate personality. I think that's one of the most important things, actually, about, like, hip-hop and the Internet is it made having an alternate name accessible. Like, the Internet is really the first space where people, like, had, you know, whether it was your AOL account or whatever. or now you're very social media. That would be really, really cool if you could somehow convince them to put a pilot named Sports Guy. You were a network initially with the three. And that was like absolutely was magnetic as a kid being like, oh man, imagine being what's

like invent the name. Be named Wolfman. Yeah, that people had to call you. That's also the genius of Maverick as the protagonist's call sign is that it does instantly tell you and clarifies you. Everything you need to know. not only about how he sees himself, you know, the rogue who won't play by the rules,

but how other people see him. The rogue who won't play by the rules and how that's simultaneously... Also, Goose is like the perfect comic relief guy. Yes. Like, Mother Goose. Yeah. Fucking love Goose.

Jerry Bruckheimer convinced Tom Cruise to sign out to the film after a lot of initial reluctance. The Navy, he said the Navy took Tom up there. They did 5Gs, barrel rolls, everything. He's heaving in the plane. He gets on a tarmac, runs, to a pay phone and says, I'm in.

I'm doing the movie. I love it. This is great. This is also the birth of Tom Cruise person who likes doing stuff. Leading to Top Gun 2 where he's flying planes apparently. He's actually like literally flying the planes. How do you ensure Tom Cruise these days? I don't know. How does it happen? I'm sure that Tom Cruise has like a Macau

offshore. Right. You know, like he has to donate part of his like future selves to this place, but they underwrite his movies. It's very possible. Mixed critical reaction But made $356 million

Against a production budget of $15 million Which is basically How does this movie? This is like $350 million and $86 The Department of Defense underwrote this movie Yeah, yeah, yeah They gave you the Jets. Right, yeah

True or false, did this movie win an Oscar? Yes It did. Do you know what the Oscar was? Yes. Sound mixing? Best original song. Take my breath away.

Oh my God. Original song. Yep. What did I say about this? Which one? What did Raj say? Oh, we're getting to it. It won a Grammy for Pop Instrumental, the great Harold Faltermeyer.

Nice. Nominated for four. Beverly Hills Cop. Steve Stevens, Billy Idol's guitar player, playing the lead melody. Roger Ebert, who's been in a tough run here in the rewatchables. I can't really argue with this review. Two and a half out of four stars, quote, movies like Top Gun are hard to review because the good parts are so good. and the bad parts are so relentless.

The dog fights are absolutely the best since Clint Eastwoods are electrifying aerial scenes in Firefox, but look out for the scenes where the people talk to one another. That's an incredible singer. I mean, he's not wrong. He's not wrong.

He's not wrong. I'm not going to criticize him on it, but at the same time, I don't think Raj understood some of the unintentional comedy stuff. We're going to take a break, we're going to get to the categories because we have a lot of. Before we get to those categories,

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Holy shit. I mean, this whole movie's rewatchable. Once you get through like the first 12 minutes, it's just, I'm just, I'll list these. And if you have one, you insist on, we can add that to. You lost that love and feeling scene. I've analyzed it a million times. It's probably the most ludicrous scene in the movie and maybe any 80s movie. Can anybody diagram out for me, the move that Mav and Goose do, that little, excuse me,

I'll take this. And then they do this little like tap and duck. Like they'd been working on it. Yeah, that I have not been able to figure out. They've worked on it the whole one time when they crashed and burned. It's like, it's kind of one of those things that in the 80s even, I think it was probably cornyer, but now would be like, if you were at a bar and someone did that, like, first of all, everybody would just pull out their phones and just be like, look at these two

fucking idiots. Who think they're on the voice. Yeah. Trying to Neil Strauss this woman. Yeah. And it's like they're crashing. and burning so hard. But yeah, the choreography of it,

the fact that the entire bar seems to know it's their turn to come in on BVs. What about the live mic working? The live mics don't work ever. This works so seamlessly. It's happening in like a VFW hall. It doesn't even seem to be like a real bar. But then when they get inside, it's like a nightclub.

And then the fact that like they do the first verse and chorus with the do-do do-do. And then he's like, and she's like, have his seat. It's like, yeah! And then they're like, wait, I want to do the second verse. Sundown. Sundown is like the second verse. Walks off.

No instrumentation. Everybody's like, hey, man, the bit's over. He's like, no, no, no. I got to do the second verse. See, I'm on the sundowns a loser camp. Mallory, if those two guys came over and saying you lost a little bit and feeling to you. We did. A, what's your reaction?

B, does he have to do anything more at that point, Tom Cruise? I was explaining to Chris earlier this morning that I'm conflicted about this scene, you know, whether it works for me or not. Because I think in the interest of full disclosure, and look, we're just here chatting among friends. It definitely works. It's like kind of appealing and sexy in a really dorky way, but it's also horrifying and repellent.

That's not what bothers me about it. I don't like how on stage everybody is, right? Like a seduction shouldn't be public. It reminds me very much of Jed on The Bachelorette right now. Right? Every fucking minute, he's whipping. and out his guitar. He's professing his love on the bed with Hannah.

They're kissing. They're intertwined and they can't quite get close enough. Why? Because his guitar is there between them. I don't need like a musical interlude during a seduction act. Too public, too showy. Also kind of works. It's confusing.

Well, you mentioned The Bachelor. I was thinking another way with that. It's reminiscent of on the Bachelor when they meet the person coming out of the limo. And they have to come up with a gimmick to get their attention. That's right. So this was the gimmick. maybe this led to all the people coming out of the bachelor. It's a really great scene.

It's ludicrous. I love when Cruz is doing anything that's dumb where he's like, I'm in 100%. So it's like singing this song, you know, he was like, Anthony Edwards, like, hey, we're going to meet it 8 o'clock to practice the karaoke? Yeah, this fucking guy. All right, yeah. So we'll practice the move. All right, great.

And he's just all the way in. So that's one. It ends up feeling a little more natural when you see them jamming out on the piano. I will say that. I just love to sing. That was another thing. I'm mystified by... The music moves them.

One of the various questions that arose on my rewatch was like why these like 25-year-old dudes don't listen to any music. Yeah. From they're like listening to Springsteen. Yeah. Why are they listening to fucking Jerry Lee Lewis? Yeah. And like whatever, who are the Isley brothers?

Like what? Like the Steve Miller band. Yeah. I'm 10 years old. There's a degree to which like this is happening in like some weird alternate universe. Because even in Miramar, like when Anthony Edwards is just like I get to play the piano and sing Jerry Lee Lewis and we're getting day drunk even though we fly fire plays

at any given moment like some sort of flash situation can happen where I just called the duty but like I'm going to get smashed with my wife right now and it's just like weird behavior like their graduation assignment literally comes with a don't get too drunk

because you're heading to war this instant line. I like that you said it's kind of an alternate universe it's an alternate universe where people play beach volleyball and jeans with No women are on. Which is our next most rewatchable scenes. Yes.

Here we go. The beach volleyball scene is so fucking good and so funny and so hilarious. And I think my single favorite part is that Cruz leaves the game before it's over because he has a date. I mean, how long does it take to play to 15? Like five more minutes? He checks his watch like five times. He's like, let's go. But then he's late anyway.

No, that's the thing. And that's the crucial thing. Yes. The only thing that matters in that. scene is that he is late. It is the only thing that matters to the entire narrative of the movie. And even him being late doesn't really matter because she just wants to talk about the migs the first time anyway. She's just lolling around in a night shirt making a salad. It's not like she was like the chicken has gone cold. So all they need to do is have Tom Cruise be

like, what, 30 minutes late to get to her house. But instead, they're like, we need to have a nine minute sweaty beach volleyball scene that is so distracted him. because his competitive urges can't be satiated that he would miss out on possibly closing the deal with Kelly McGillis here. And it is unreal. Against his two rivals. Yes.

And then as he's leaving, the guys calling the Mother Goose again, which is so insulting in 19-A-Mupper-Gus. What's meaner than that? And then we get volleyball where it's like, okay, you know the scene in American History X where Edward Norton dunks. Yeah.

Multiply that by four and make it a 10-minute scene. where four guys, I doubt any of them cracking 5-10 in real life. Anthony Edwards seem kind of tall. Maybe he's tall. I would say him and Roscovich. Then that's a problem because you've got to then pretend like Tom Cruise is the spiker. You know, like, and it's just like...

Well, they really have to use those kind of camera angles going like this. And Cruz is like jumping up. I mean, in reality, he's a setter. So I think it's, you think they played four games? I think it's best of three and they've tied it up. up at two and he leaves before. But who plays best of three and leaves after two games? Bill, who plays in games?

Who plays in jeans? Who goes specifically to the beach to play in jeans? I think it's best of five. I think it was tied to two, two. I think he thought they were going to win in four. Then it's tied. And now he's really late and he has to get out. That's how I like to come to grips with it.

Can we just, like, I said he was more competitive than that. I just want to take another second to shout out. Tony Scott? No, Cruz checking his watch. Just the way he has to bring both arms into it. You can't just do it with one arm. He's got to have the other arm. He's got the other one as if he was like, yeah, he's tapping it.

Yeah. He brings it in and he's got that really hard flex that it like uses the entire upper torso to do it. Like he's almost like he's karate chopping like a cinder block. Let's just tease out how this whole thing comes together. These guys are sitting around. We have a day off. They're rivals. You want to play like beach volleyball?

A lot of tension between our teams. Hey, does everybody we know in the world? come on down watch us play beach volleyball but hey wait don't bring a date only guys get to come we're all going to stand around in the blazing hot sun and watch these dudes play volleyball maybe it's like maybe it's like that scene in the matrix where a neo uh finally fights morphias and it's like hey that neo norpheus and maybe that's what happened is like so they go to play volleyball and the and the news just spreads throughout narrow more oh American goose

It's on. You think there's one sports writer for like the Miramar Post who's like, wow. The Fighter Town U.S. High school football. Dan Shaughnessy's first cake. I want to know why they're just not on the beach. And when I was researching this scene,

they just poured a bunch of sand in this one part of the lot and filmed it there and pretended it was a beach. Did they not have the budget to just go? The other thing, they've established early in this movie that Ice and Slider hate Mavengoose and these are their top gun rivals

they're not really interacting in any way that's not insulting The prior scene is Maverick telling Slider that he stinks That is a criss What a wild... How do they end up? Why would these two groups of people

even hang out? It's absurd. I loved it. Who's favored in the fifth set if we had the fifth set? Yeah, for sure. Yeah, Slater really takes over the fifth set. I would like to make a couple observations here.

One, this is a work of cinematic genius. And any characterization to the contrary is slanderous and should be prosecuted in a court of law. I would also like to note that not all of them are wearing jeans. And the answer is wearing shorts. He's wearing shorts and Slider and Ice are wearing like sweats. They're in athal leisure, basically. It's only Maverick who's wearing jeans, presumably because he does not think that he has time to change, right? And yet he has to pull on a shirt

He has to pull on his bomber He has to get on his bike You can't play in underwear And then just pull on your jeans quickly That is ridiculous What about him playing with a watch on? I want to talk about the watch on Thank you.

That was my next point They don't take their sunglasses on No but Jason the watch is an actual hazard What do you do? How do you play volleyball? How do you keep your aviators on When you're diving into the sand That's a reasonable question

They should be wearing sports goggles But at least you can deduce Okay they're worried about glare You know, their eyes or their instruments out there up in the sky. A watch, he's just going to break the watch when he's actually playing volleyball. I don't know. Also, it would hurt. And it's going to smash into his wrist.

Yeah. Chris, do you think, what, three weeks he spent learning out of play volleyball? Oh, yeah. You can tell. There's no way he's ever held one before the movie. Of all the things that Tom Cruise has done in any movie, this is the least convincing. The beach volleyball. What are he talking about?

I think he does like a convincing enough job at, like, pretending to be a lot job at, like, pretending like he's played volleyball before, but like in no world whatsoever. I would say baseball was the worst for him. Do I think Tom Cruise could ever spike a volleyball? What was the War of the Worlds where he's like... Oh, that's the other thing. At the end of the movie, when he throws Goose's, uh... Oh, that's a tough moment.

He's dog tags off? He can't... He gets like, what, like three feet of carry with that toss? Yeah, he's... I'm convinced he'd never played sports before he started making movies. And then he's like almost an alien who learns alien behavior from other people. He's mimicking behavior. Yeah, he's mimicking.

He's a pod person. So the other thing, he didn't know how to ride a motorcycle either, and he had to learn how to do that. Well, he's continued that. I mean, yes. He's kept on in that one. This is great. Part of his persona. One thing I believe is that Tom Cruise likes motorcycles.

Yes. I'm watching this right now as we sit here. It's just really special. She really is. She really is. To slow-mo. This right here. Yeah.

Oh, and he puts his arm around valve. And yeah. The glistening muscles, the frosted tips on Iceman. They've got their dog tags on school. The dog tags swinging. Hmm. Next scene. Most rewatchable scene.

I'm sorry, but goose dying is just great stuff. Of course. It's fucking emotional. The jet stream. All of it. All of the dying. I watch it every time hoping this is the time he's not going to die. But each time he dies, then him landing in the water.

Like, I don't know whether they did a dummy or they just told Anthony Edwards to just do this. And then, you know, what if he was like unconscious? I know. The way they pull him up. They just pull him up. Like, what if he had like a broken vertebra or something? They're just like, yeah, he's probably dead. Also, I didn't notice this every other time I've ever seen this movie,

but Viper just being like, goose is dead. Like, no shit. Right. That's literally Maverick's reply. Yeah, but Viper being, and then also being like, if Tom Cruise is like shaving and still like kind of like cleaning himself up, like I'm under the impression that Vipers like get over it, like moments after this has happened. Do you want to comment on Cruz's tidy witty?

The tidy witties? in that thing? Because my son wears those, but he's 11. I think it was just a different era. We hadn't really entered the boxer brief moment in time, right? That came later. That was his, like, after risky business was basically his signature. Oh, I left out a rewatchable scene.

I'm sorry. This is a really crucial one. We have more. Well, it sets up the goose dying thing. The great balls of fire double date. It's a really crucial scene. It's a really crucial scene because... Meg Ryan's only in three scenes in this movie.

It has to establish that her and Goose have a great... relationship. It has to weirdly establish this Tom Cruise, Kelly McGillis chemistry that just isn't there the whole movie. The kids there, they're singing. Baby Miles Teller. Yeah, Baby My Goose Jr. We're clearly getting a remake of that scene with Bradley Bradshaw. Unbelievable. Baby Goose. And then it's just by the end of that, I think sometimes movies forget to do this where they talk about how these people are great friends or they're so close, but you don't actually have the one scene. where it's like, oh yeah, they really were friends. They went day drinking and then they played this.

These guys have sung this song a million times. And I love Goose and it sets up when he dies. It makes it worse. Yeah, their bond feels by the relative stakes of the movie fairly authentic. Yeah, I agree. So I got those four. I got Ice saying that he's sorry about Goose. I don't know if you want to do that.

Want to do the sniff? Or do you want it, Chris? Yeah, you do it. We all liked Goose. Mitchell. Like, what was the direction there? Was that the one where Val Kilmer's like, hey, Tony, I'd like to try something on this next take.

What's the actual script? Well, the other thing is Cruz is... Iceman in hills. Not turning around just like this. He's bracing for a fight. And he's just like this. The whole thing's great. I love all of it.

I just love it. I mean this with all due respect. Is death like a fact of life at Top Gun? It seems like it with Viper. Yeah. Because Vipers is like, hey, man, you got to get him back up there. Yes. But Vipers, like, I lost all these guys, but that was during the Vietnam War.

Right. So, like, just flying in Miramar, like, is it like, yeah, sometimes you just lose a plane? Yeah, but Chris, this was a really intense time in the Indian Ocean. There's a lot of stuff happening. A lot of battles. Indian Ocean and really heating up. Remember that? We were trying to protect the Indian Ocean.

We did kick Granada's ass sometime in the 80s, didn't we? Was that us? Yeah. was an island like yeah that's right that's like that's what heartbreak ridge is about yeah um next one is the top gun graduation i just love all of it including the fact that their friends and family are there and everybody just has to immediately leave that's amazing and also like he doesn't deliver that i just flew to mirror mirror for this what's going on it i have so many questions about so like i know that the top gun students are the best of the best right but they presumably are like in miramar they're just training right

all the other guys who have ever graduated from top gun they're not on a list somewhere like to go to the Indian Ocean. Or they're not closer to the Indian Ocean. Right. It's got to be the graduating class. It's Iceman, the guy who lost is real and is definitely PTSD'd out in Hollywood. That's it. That's it.

Flying 18 hours. In the world, they have to fly 24 hours in the Indian Ocean, sweat like motherfuckers, and then get in their jets and go attack me. This is after Kelly McGillis or somebody says how every eight weeks it's a new class. Yeah. So where are all those guys? six classes a year. None of them available. Just doing flyovers at like Arrowhead or something?

Like what's going on? Also, what kind of incident? It was 24 hours to respond, Jason. Well, there was like a strip. There was a ship that had lost power and I guess had wandered into enemy waters. No, no which enemy. Pakistan. Like who?

They got nigs. Sure. So maybe like Iran or something? Like on the Indian ocean? That doesn't make any sense. Anyway. And so I guess they needed air support. in order for the rescuers.

The rescuers needed air support. Air support from people not there. Guys, none of this makes any sense. Yeah. Let's just be straight about that. So while they are fighting Migs, they're probably not Russian Migs. But like Russian made, but not actual Russians in the Migs?

The Indian Ocean, it looks like Madagascar is near there, Australia, Indonesia, Thailand, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia? Maybe it's Iran. Iran actually. In my head, it was a... It's Russia, but it's really not. It can't be Russia.

Ironically, the backbone of the Iranian Air Force is the F-14 Tomcat, featured star, which is the star of Topcombe. Yeah. Well, the graduation scene I really enjoy. I like, we forgot to mention with Val Kilmer. This is the height of like the 80s, handsome, blonde dickhead, basically. That's perfected by William Zabka, but it's a character that is just there for years and years. And he's the perfect, like, he's number one.

He's territorial. He's a dick. You wouldn't want to leave your girlfriend with him, all that stuff. And then my last scene. I have one more, but if you have another rewatchable, tell us now. Oh, I have another rewatchable. What is it? Oh, God.

Oh, the sex scene. The sex scene. Oh, here we go. All right. In the running for the best, worst sex scene of all time. It's, you know, it is astonishing filmmaking. It's the inspiration for the McGrubber sex scene. Clearly.

Just a show of hands. I'm pretty sure I know Bill's answer will be no, because he's a little bit older. Show of hands. Did you think that this is what French kissing was? Right. This is what I want to talk about. I would like to apologize to my six-year girlfriend

because I thought that's what kissing was. I saw this as a child, and I was like, this is the most erotic thing I have ever seen. How many people in the world think or thought for some period of time that this is how you have sex or this is how you kiss? You eat their face?

Yeah. The kissing is just tapping the tip of your tongue against somebody else's with gentle blue lighting and take your breath away. Well, the lighting is optional. It's not, though. You know why? Because they had to film this after they had rap production and they looked different and they had to mask that. You're stepping on half-ass internet research. I just find this all so fascinating.

The fact that it looks, the visual palette of the scene is so stark. different from the rest of the movie is obviously part of what heightens it in good and bad ways. It is so bizarrely erotic and yet disturbing. It's like, I mean, it is literally like, I saw this as a child. It is what a child's idea of like sex probably is. It's basically like if you take the cafeteria carrot blowjob lesson scene from fast times, but try to make a serious sex scene out of it. Well, it's like if you go, if you remember encyclopedias, like, if you went to the encyclopedia and, like, looked up sex, it's basically like, that's the kissing version of, like, that is like, you open your mouth and then the, and you put your mouth close to the other person's mouth.

And your tongue comes out and interacts with the other person's tongue. Like, that's basically what it is. But I was like, I think I saw it on VHS with, like, my parents. I was like, oh, my God, it's uncomfortable. Yeah, this and basic instinct really screwed me up. What are we doing the basic instinct? Basic instinct, though. Come on. Anytime you lie.

When they do the black light on the mattress in basic instincts? I was just like, is that real? Is that happen? Well, how much does the complete abject absence of sexual chemistry between Tom Cruise and Kelly McGillis play into the weirdest sex scene of the 80s? It's definitely part of it. I think there's one scene where they have actual chemistry and it's the elevator scene, which I would nominate, even though it's brief as a rewatchable,

just for that fact alone. It's the one moment where you really think, these people kind of want to take each other's clothes off. And it's rapid. It ends quickly. And also, again, I think they filmed that later. That's why she's wearing a cap. Well, I'll just do that part now.

They had to film that scene in the sex scene after because the test audiences were bummed out that they never actually did it. Nice. So Kelly Miguelis is filming some other movie has dyed hair and has lost 16 pounds. No, witness was the year before. I looked it up. It was some movie I'd never heard of. She'd lost 16 pounds.

So they'd put a leather jacket on her. would have noticed that she had lost weight. Cruz has long hair from color of money, so he has to put a towel around his neck to hide like the whatever the longer hair is in the back. And if you see it, like his hair is like way thicker and longer. And it's just... He's like a font in color of money.

Right. So she is the hat on to hide the hair with the sunglasses and the giant jacket. And it's just weird. That scene meant a lot to Quentin Tarantino. And he really did. The last rewatchable scene is after like the tail end when he kills the last two jets in the Indian Ocean and then they land the celebration scene

is fucking all time. The guys getting up and the fist pumping and then Tim Robbins just a dumb look at his face like not involved and then Val Kilmer going you! You are still dangerous. You can be my wingman anytime. bullshit.

You can be mine. And doing the point, I just, every beat is perfect. That was, what a staple of 80s movies, by the way. When you're, when the villain, your nemesis the whole time, finally there's that thing that happens, that final showdown, and there's that respect. Yeah, you got to win the respect. Just like in Karate Kid when it's like, day, hands him the trophy. You needed that moment where Ice Man looks at Maverick and goes, you.

You're all right. Meanwhile, Maverick ditched a battle and almost left and then ended up coming back. There's a couple more we watched. He reengaged. I mean, I know this is basically the whole movie. The hard deck scene when Viper gets up there and they're like, it's probably my favorite line in the movie where they're like, oh shit, Vipers in here. And then they're like, you know what he's saying?

He said, oh shit. Yeah, Maverick is going to say. He's like, yeah, I don't think so. Yeah. I love that whole training sequence and just the whole thing of, like, can they do it before Jester goes below deck or whatever? Yeah, that was really good. I should have put that in.

Wait, I don't know. Is the hard deck? No, hard deck is one. And then another one is when Viper comes in. Right. That's after. The Viper sequence also then leads to the Bull Durham-esque shower scene, which is another contender. Contender for what?

For rewatchable scenes. All of them hanging around in their towels, especially. All of them. Another thing that Chris and I discussed earlier is in a movie where they're so often sweating and need to just wipe their brows. You know from the presence of that scene that they have towels. Why aren't they using them? It's unclear if this is Top Gun, the Flight School for the Best of the Best in the Entire Navy, apparently there is one shower. There's one shower.

And you have to wait for half an hour after you've just flown a $30 million jet in high intensity combat simulation, you get down and you're like, God, I'm so high. I'm dying. It's San Diego in the summer and they're like, cool, there's one show. Not only that. Not only that. But let's hang out there. When I have showered in situations where it's like open shower,

locker room, open locker room, I'm in and out. I want to get in. I want to do my thing. Get dressed. I'm gone. I'm not chilling. I will say. The bulletin board is there.

In my experience. See, I'm reading material. Bulletin board. Never mind. No, you were starting to say something. quote in my experience and then you're going to talk about group showers. So we all want to hear. Please continue.

My experience in group showering. Never mind. The mic is yours. Never mind. What's the most rewatchable scene? It was just going to say, never mind. No. No, I was just going to say that like I remember like in the 80s,

locker room behavior was just a lot more like a bunch of guys air drying. Is that just in Philadelphia? You're nodding. I think it's like Rousseau and I, when you're a gym corner, he talks about how dudes hang out in the, Locker room. Yeah. Yeah.

He's like the silver back of the locker room. Chuck Sr. on billions. We know this is like making a nest out of like towels and stuff. We're still just emerging out of a cloud

of baby powder. This is a good gym corner. What is the most rewatchable scene? For me it's the final dog fight. Yeah. I was going to say the last one was like re-engage math, re-engaged. It's beach volleyball, but I'll go

I'll go with a very rewatchable as well. I like them getting out the plane after they won. Still gets me. All right, new category. Oh, no. Yeah. Oh, no.

Yeah, and it Mal hates when I audible. The unintentional comedy award. Here are the nominees. Oh, my goodness. The Tom Cruise crying, but also looking like he's taking a dump face. God, he loved flying with the Maverick. Yeah.

He'd have flown anyway without you. He would have flown anyway without you. He would have hated it, but he would have done it. I don't even know what that means. It's like he would have flown. He loved flying with you, but he would have flown anyway. Thanks? That's a weird one.

Yeah. Him yelling at Sundown, I will fire when I'm goddamn good and ready. You got that? Hey, we could have had it, man. I will fire when I am goddamn good and ready. You got that? I still don't totally understand that. Sundown's like, hey, dude, we're doing exercises.

You're supposed to shoot at the enemy? Oh, fire what I'm goddamn good and ready? What was Sundown doing at Top Gun if you didn't have a pilot? Like, did he have another pilot to fly with? I never understood the whole guy in the second seat. I never understood. What's their job? Wait, I thought that his, different job, right?

I thought that was it not Sundown's pilot that has the breakdown in the opening? Robbins. Merlin and Cougar are already out in the Indian Ocean. Interesting. That hotbed of international military activity. There's a lot of stuff going down on there. Slider and Ice Man. just the intentional comedy of those guys,

just them teaming up and coming up with the name Slater and Iceman and like, you're my guy, you're my guy. And they just do their thing. Let's just be dicks and we'll win Top Gun. I didn't notice this until this weekend when I watch it. There's like a passing line about how Slider wanted to be a real pilot, but like hooked up with Iceman and like just decided to like ride his coattails. Yeah, it kind of shit on him a little bit.

But the second, the second seat still seems important though, right? Yeah, the real. Yeah, you're doing all the tracking and giving all the info. Like I'm not. in real life, but like in top gun, like, what does the second seat do aside from like, you got another guy coming at your Maverick? That's what it is, though.

The radar intercepts off there. It's a sister coach, you're Johnny Bob. Honestly, though, like, how many times on, like, every once in a while they're like, there's two planes? No, they're six. Like, that's about all they do. Right.

Well, I was wondering why they can't take over the controls if the first guy has an incident in or dies or whatever. The sexual chemistry between Tom Cruise and Kelly McGillis gets its own unintentional comedy. nomination. It is just stupendous. Also that line when he's like, I'll have you know that when I'm flying the safety

of my crew and the airplane is the most, it's like, it is categorically and demonstrably. You are lying right now. Literally your character. You're flying at supersonic speeds on the edge, always doing things no one's done before

and that are like physically and safety wise like outlawed. Even buzzing the tower feels strangely. illegal. Like the CC of my crew, it's like you, you then get goose killed. Now, what about coffee burns? What about Kelly McGillis hitting on mad by saying, look, Lieutenant, I just really like to hear about the miggs sometime. I mean, that's, you know, the thing to me, it's more McGillis's performance, because I really don't, like, does she even like him? I don't understand the entire, I don't understand her motivation at all. I have a, except to know what the

migs, what's up with the migs. I have a big unanswerable question for this. I don't know. I don't know if she even likes him. But on the topic of their chemistry. They're not existing chemistry. But we are a year removed from Witness, one of the great testaments to on-screen chemistry between her and Harrison Ford. Your favorite sexual performance of all times.

No person has ever looked better in a movie than Harrison Ford and Witness. In Amish gear or as the cop? You haven't seen frantic? All of the above. You haven't seen Harrison Ford in frantic. look each other in that movie. Like, she is clearly capable of finding that with somebody on screen. She just doesn't have it with Tom Cruise.

A lot of people didn't have a Tom Cruise. Another an intentional comedy thing. So they leave the graduation. And then the graphic shows up. The graphic shows up. You're buzzing the tower. You're really on buzzing the tower. Ghost Rider.

That was like, press permission for fly by. Got some Tom Cruise takes Wow Just point me to the sexual chemistry That was memorable I got you I got you 24 hours later The Indian Ocean

Is a graphic In this movie We just have to fast forward Or whatever shirtless Valcomer The exchange You're everyone's problem That's because every time

You go up in the air You're unsafe I don't like you Because you're dangerous And then Cruz's insane reaction That's right, ice I am dangerous That's because every time you go up in the air, you're unsafe.

I don't like you because you're dangerous. That's right. Nice. Man, I am dangerous. It's like he's like, Kimmer's not adacting me in this scene. That's my favorite. That's my favorite exchange. Poor Tim Robbins.

And then Tony Scott's explanation for the beach volleyball game, which goes like this. I didn't have a vision of what I was doing other than just doing soft porn. I knew I had to show off all the guys, but I didn't have a point of view. So I just shot the shit out of it. I got the guys to get all their gear off in their pants and sprayed them in baby oil. It's an actual Tony Squat and Scott quote of saving that one for you. Guess what? That's just instinct.

It works. So what's your unintentional comedy winner, Chris? Oh, the beach volleyball game, obviously, as well. I think beach volleyball is my unintentional comedy. It has to be. Yeah. Okay. Same.

That and the bite. And we're going to get beach football. The bite. The bite is a great one. What's it? What a choice? The bite's great. What's age the best?

Oh, my God. Buzzing the tower. We just used it in everyday vernacular. Just a great thing. You should bring him back. Just the whole thing. The guy dripping the drink. I love that one.

Kelly McGillis's Porsche. Gorgeous car. Right? 1957 Porsche 356 Speedster. You can get one. It's about 300 grand right now. Okay. We'll probably won't drive very well.

The soundtrack? I want to talk about the soundtrack quickly? Yeah. Yeah. very 80s. It's like a lost time where they would just be like, we have like a heavy since score and then two theme songs. Right.

That are about being in Top Gunn. Also, the melody of the theme is played, is on electric guitar, which just doesn't happen. That doesn't happen. You never hear that. It's also like Loggins goes on a run where it's National Amp, was he did a national ampunes, right?

No, no, no, no, that was. That's Lindsay Buckingham does Wallywark. No, he does the vacation. song. Oh, no, not vacation. No, he did vacation. Didn't he? No, that's Lindsay Buckingham did Holiday Road. No, he is another one. Loggins has another one, but it's just like...

He's in like four movie soundtracks. Footloose. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. What's the golf movie? Caddyshaad. CaddyShack. I'm all right. That's what you're thinking.

I'm all right. Danger Zone and Footloose. And this is the third activist career. Like that anymore where they're like, oh, Blockbuster. I'll write a song called Guardians of a the galaxy. Right, right. It's the closest, who's, like, who's even approached that since?

Nobody, they just use others, like, they don't, like, Adele's doing skyfall. It's like the last time that really happened. Another what's age the best, young Meg Ryan and young Anthony Edwards as a couple. I found out in the research, they dated in real life. Incredible. You could feel the chemistry. Oh, yeah. Take me to bed or lose me forever, show me the way home.

Incredible one. Young Anthony Edwards is, it never fails to drop my jaw. Like that in fast times when you're like, oh, my God. God, when did, like, Anthony Edwards turned 50 in a year. Like, somewhere in, like, 1994, he went from, like, 36 to 52 in a year. Well, he's a strangely iconic 80s actor who never gets thrown into the 80s actor discussion because the sure thing was, like, a really important movie in 1984. I felt like it was like QSack's breakout movie, Rob Reiner, and just, like, really, really beloved for a while there.

don't think it's lasted. And then Revenge of the Nerds was a monster. Did you see a Miracle Mile? Miracle Mile was another one. Good LA movie. Yeah, he had a nice run. And then all of a sudden was on ER and was on there for 10 years. Which category we're on right now?

We're on what stage is the best. I have a couple more. Sure. Mavre's Iceman. Mm-hmm. Oh, that's a good one. Just the rivalry. The rivalry.

The rivalry I really did. It's very bird magic. And everybody wins. There's no losers. That's how we land. Iceman's burn of Maverick. It's not your flying. It's your attitude.

The enemy's enemy is dangerous. But right now you're worse. You're dangerous and foolish. It's really kind of insulting. And he's kind of right. He's cutting deep. Tom Scarrett. I love Tom Scarrett.

Incredible. Iconic. Where does he rank for you, Mel? This particular role, the mustache. The mustache. The way he's trying to cuff his sleeves when they're going for the confidential chat. Later in the film. And breaking top secret obsec to tell Simon Cruz about his dad.

That was weird. Being able to walk the line though. He told him otherwise? Probably not, not unless he had seen the photo hanging on his walls. But he has to be able to inspire confidence and trust, but also sort of to make you fear him at the same time. And that's a difficult balance to pull off that he does with a plume. I love it. I agree.

Buzz in the tower followed by the goddamn it maverick. That guy says, God damn it maverick twice in the movie, that guy? We're going to get to him later. Oh, the son, your ego is right and checks your body can't cash. You've been busted. You lost your qualifications as section leader three times. You've been putting hack twice by me with a history of high speed passes over five air control towers and one admiral's daughter. That's a pretty big resume.

The ending credits I have. Yeah. I really like how they bring everybody back with the, you lost it love and feeling and they put the names up. when there's names with the picture of the people. And then this last one I have, just the VHS. So back then, VHS tapes were like $100. Yeah. And they weren't like for marketing.

If you wanted to buy the tape, it was like $89. Yeah, it was. So they would make them super crazy. So Top Gun looked at it and said, we're going to make these $20. We're going to do an $8 million marketing campaign. We're going to do a Pepsi commercial about it. And it became the best selling video cassette ever. Every single kid I knew had Top Gun.

Yeah. And so they basically created the VHS DVD Blu-ray market. That's actually true. I guess the two VHSs that everybody had, it was Top Gun and it was the making of thriller. That's true. You're right. What else did you have? A few more.

Just the fashion. Yeah. You know, everyone needed Aviator glasses, the white T-shirt and the, everyone's wearing a tight pair of Levi's, the bomber jacket, the mustache. sales bumps in the real world for aviators and bomber jackets after this film, not surprising at all, the fashion is iconic. Relatedly, Tom Cruise is a sex symbol because that's not necessarily how people think of him anymore. And when you return to the moment... Wouldn't that be at what stage the worst? No, because I think you're ported back to that moment in time and you're like, yes, that still works completely. And he kind of is dealing, he's dealing

in color of money too. Like you believe he and Mary Elizabeth Master Antonio are together. in that movie. For sure. I think also just a forbidden romance, you know, teacher-student. Mav a nice man? Oh. I'm confused. Sorry.

Charlie and Mav. You know me again. Ghost Rider, this is Simmons. Chris already said this earlier about call signs. Call signs of age the best, certainly. And just the effects. You know, we talked about this earlier. The effects of the movie, the visuals, the sounds.

You watch that. It does not feel like a 32-year-old. old film. Yeah, the shot when Mav is freaking out and he sees like the dog fight happening, that's unbelievable. Like if even that was CGI, I would be like, that's pretty cool. But like, that was really, really awesome at the time. Anything else for you?

For me, it's Tony Scott's direction. I think he's probably the most interesting blockbuster filmmaker of the last 30 years. You know, like, and we forget like how weird he got like later on in his career. this is just like every frame is glossy and incredible to look at. Just an absolute polished and masterful, big budget, like blockbuster filmmaker. I think what's aged the best for me is if I had to pick any of these beautiful nominees is just how weird is that Tim Robbins is in this, but he's just window dressing and they don't even give him any lines. And then even at the end, he's flying with Maverick.

And they're never like, hey, this Tim Robbins is. guy might be a good deal. I must be like last time I was with Cougar who had a nervous breakdown while flying at F-14. And now I'm with this guy who is bugging out when we need to go save a one-on-five situation. What stage is the worst? I had Mav going to the ladies room to hit on Charlie. I have in 2019, you're arrested.

100% you're arrested. I really did have that written down. I mean, like, that is like take a hint type level shit. Like, stalker-ish. Yeah. Definitely creepy to then follow someone who rebuffed you into the ladies' room. And then the film tries to make it play as a joke later with the old too aggressive. But it's like, no, that is.

That's a cry. Like, yeah, call the cops and get this guy out of here. Weird mid-80s movie thing, though. Yeah. That's like Amelia Estevez driving to the ladies ski place and Sinamos fire. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And just being like you have to let me in even though the guy her board on here.

We talked about this in Dead Poets Society too. Oh, yeah, the Kid in Dead Poets Society. Yeah, there was a whole run of that. So what's age the worst? Even though we just praised the fight scenes, I think it's worth mentioning how much better they were in the movie theater on like a nice 60-foot screen seeing the Jets Round versus like your stupid TV. Like that was, for me, I went and saw Top Gun the movie theater twice.

The biggest reason was how cool it was. I had just never seen a movie like that where the planes were flying around. It's a little harder to fall on TV. But do you think that now that technology has improved enough that if you have like your surround down and your forecast? It's out in your 4K. It's like this is pretty dope. It's better.

Yeah. It improved like late 90s. The post top gun careers of Tom Scared and Rick Rossovich I have is what's age the worst. Garrett went on to steal magnolias, man. Yeah, but then by 94, he's in Poison Ivy with Drew Barrymore. And it's like, what happened? What's gone wrong? What happened, Viper?

He's just waiting for the Top Gun too. All right. So I'm just going to, this is an actual quote from the movie. The communications ship USS Layton has become disabled and wandered into enemy territory. A rescue operation will begin within an hour. Your mission is to give air support for that rescue. There are migs in the area and tensions are high. If you witness a hostile act, you were to return fire.

Let's make something. Gentlemen, this is the real thing. This is what you've been trained for. Your America's best make us proud. Yeah. World War III starts over this. Yeah, 100%. Yes, 100%.

He shot down mix. major air war that takes place over the Indian Ocean. We are at the global war. But they won't say Russians because I think the Air Force was so involved with this movie. They're like, hey man. But like you could say like, yeah.

But they don't actually say the word Russian. Yeah. We talked about it. But Maverick becoming one of the backup support people for Iceman in this huge Indian Ocean conflict when he has like legitimate PTSD. Yeah, it should not be flying. Bad coaching.

Also, it's like Craig Popovich taking on Duncan in game six. Leave him in. He's Tim Duncan. A lot of my What's Age of the Worst is actually unanswerable questions. I'll wait. Mav. This is crucial. Mav.

First of all, asking a shower at Charlie's place when he gets there. You don't mind. I'm going to just take a quick shower while you're finishing up here. On a first date. Drenched in baby oil. And then saying he has to leave because he has to shower. Like the shower was more important than this date with Charlie.

I just would have figured it out. I was going to talk about the shower in the nitpick section, but let's just go all in on the shower here. Okay, so he arrives. Yeah. And he wants to shower because he's expecting to have sex with her. That's not a mystery. What are she eating when he arrives? He wants to freshen up for sex.

Oh, you think he's, he thinks this is a booty call? Yeah. Definitely. Why should make it a salad? A hundred percent. He's thinking, he's thinking I'm going. for sex and that's why he wants to get clean. Of course.

Obviously. Of course. But that begs the question. I'm going to eat your face. Why didn't he shower before he went then? He's on the beach. He's already late. He's already late.

Just tack on five minutes for the shower. Everyone else is playing volleyball. The shower is open. No, but it's like it's like a half. Go shower. But it's because it's probably a mile back to the shower and all that stuff. Yeah, I agree. Unforgivable.

He was thinking. He was just like a weird flight. I didn't think that he was like, I want to get cleaned out. I think he was thinking there's a shot here that I get laid. Yes. Absolutely. Chris, when I, another Woods Age of Worse. Yeah.

Kelly McGill's who was really good in witness and I think is bad in this movie. Chris, this is for you. I wrote in 2003. If this movie was the 83-6ers, she'd be Mark Aravaroni. That joke is specifically for your funny bone. One more, what's age the worst for me? Charlie consoling Mav, when I first met you, you were larger than life. God, look at you.

That's just fucking harsh. The dialogue is insane in this movie. And then you haven't learned a damn thing, did you, except to quit. You've got that maneuver down real well. So long, Pete Mitchell, calling him by his real name. That's a flex. God, what are you trying to do with him? Let me just say that I understand the showering and I understand the leaving to shower.

Because here's what's going on in Maverick. This looks back in the shower a little bit. I just want to go back to it. So he goes there and he's thinking, okay, outside chance I fuck. Yes. Let's shower. What if there's a blow job? You gotta freshen up.

He shower. Have to. Right. He's got like, but he's got jeans, beach volleyball grimes. So he showers, right? He drives off. He knows where there's sand. puts his clothes back on.

And then he realized, and then he realizes, oh my God, I'm still a swamp because I've like got the underwear and jeans that I've been, that I'm all swamped up because I've been playing, I played four games of volleyball out there under the hot son of Miramar. And the shit. And the shower is not enough. Now I believe. She's just waiting for him to get there to jam. And he's like, give me five.

I just want to get spik and span. Absolutely. Man, I walk in. I see all those radishes out. I'm like, I guess we're eating. She's got like a farmer's market out waiting for him. And she's like, I'm hungry. And then like she's like,

fuel for the lovemaking. Weirdest, weirdest little thing that happens during that dinner is where, like, she's asking him about the migs. And he's like, you forgot one thing. the wine. And it's like the wine's right in front of you, bro. Just pour yourself a glass. Why are you being a weirdo?

And she's like, oh, of course, I forgot. And pours him a glass of wine. It's like, Tom Cruise has never had wine. And that is what in his life. I guarantee. He's like, is this grape juice? Yeah. Tom, he was terrible.

He forgot the wine. She's not a weird. Maverick and Ty. You guys are at a mission star restaurant? Cruise in this movie is like, what an 11-year-old's idea? of like what a cool adult guy. She'll let me shower. She'll pour me wine and then I'll lick her tongue.

Then I'll eat her chin. Oh my God. Yeah, never mind. I think what's age the worst is him going to the ladies' room. That would have been legitimate crime. Okay. The actual crime is committed. Let's take one more break to talk about voodoo.

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know this movie. Oh, no. What's Goose's real name? Nick Bradshaw. Okay. Right. What's Iceman's real name? Tom Kazansky.

Yes. All right. One, one. You're not on the board yet. What's Charlie's real name? Charlotte. Do I need a last name? Yeah.

Fox. Charlotte Blackwood. Yeah. What's Jester's real name? That Charlotte Blackwood is definitely like 11-year-old Tom Cruise's idea for a lady name. She's going to make salad. I'll get to eat her face.

Jester? Jester, nobody's going to get. Oh, no, Rick Heatherly. Oh, wow. Chris, I'm going to go in. How about Viper? Mike, like, not McCoy. Oh.

Although I think Mike McCoy is based. It's like McClatchy. Damn it. I was just looking at this. Mike Metcalf. Slider? Do you know Sliders? Mike Metcalf sounds like a 1980s

Braves Middle Roe. You know Slater? It comes Mike Metcalf from the sixth. I know none of these names. I didn't know half of these. Slider was Ron Kerner. Not familiar with that. Cougar was Bill Cortel and Merlin with Sam Wells.

But it does sound like 11-year-old crew is made up these days. I don't think Cougars or Merlin. Sam Wells. Ever have their name is mentioned. Yeah. No. Best soundtrack song. I'm just going to give you these seven.

Danger's on Kenny Loggins. You don't have to do seven. Playing with the boys, Kenny Loggins. Take my breath away, Berlin. Yeah. Heaven in your eyes, lover boy. The Top Gun Anthem. Or you lost that love and Phil.

What would you go with? Danger zone. Danger Zone over Take My Breath Away. It's got to be Take My Breath Away. Come on. The role will play it in the movie. I think it's, I think it's, I'm going to go Top Gun Anthem. The soaring melodies of Top Gun Anthem.

Unexpected. Here's my main reason for picking Take My Breath Away over Danger Zone. I was going to bring this up later in Nip Fix, but Danger Zone just repeats too many times in the film. It's just they go back to it too often. Whereas while we get a lot of... How would you know you were in a danger zone if you don't get danger zone?

Much. How would you know we're in a danger zone? If you don't hear it play with the boys, if you don't hear it play with the boys, Mel? You might think there might be a woman watching you play volleyball. Take my breath away, much like their lovemaking itself, we're really building up to it. We get a lot of the musical interlude, but we don't get the lyrics until we get the lyrics

right when we need them. It really comes together. just like What's your vote? I love Danger Zone And there's a story behind Danger Zone It's one of those things Where they came up with the idea

For the song Before they found the band Oh yeah So can you guess It was originally intended To perform Danger Zone This blew my mind Toto

Toto Legal conflicts between the films Producers And the band's lawyers Prevented it What? They were Also, Toto is also intended to perform a track called Only You

that would have been used as the love theme instead of, Take My Breath Away. But the legal conflicts prevented any use of Only You. Brian Adams, Ario Speedwagon, and Corey Hart turned out in the chance to write and perform Danger Zone. And we didn't mention Brookeheimer and Simpson. So clearly those guys are like, look, man, we're having a fucking song called Danger Zone. Now that Corey Hart just turns down. Fuck, call Loggins.

Loggins already had one, so Loggins ends up doing it. Meanwhile, like the sound of, like, Coke being chopped on a mirror. And then, uh, take my breath away was, they basically had a bakeoff with the motels in Berlin. Motels and the motels did take my breath away and they chose Berlin. Yeah, and apparently it exists. Which leads us to other casting what ifs. So they want to cruise from the beginning, but then it didn't seem like he was going to do it. offered it to Matthew Modin.

That's right. Turned it down. Brammer. MSG legend, Matthew Moodie. Conflict with his personal politics. Future liberty. He's thinking old. Yeah, he did not like the pro-military stance.

Then on the internet, he wasn't in full metal jacket briefly after that. Who knows? And then every other white actor is rumored to have taken it. But it does seem like John Travolta, his agent asked for too much money. And he wasn't read out to be Maverick. John Travolta?

Yeah. The list of names of people who turned it down. How old was John Travolta in 1986? Probably too old. Would he have better or worse chemistry with Kelly McGillis? Ghost Rider. Linda Fiorentino told Charlie Rose

that she turned down the role of Charlie because of glorified war. Big fan of Lydia. Also turning it down? Ali Sheedy. Didn't think anyone who wanted to say. see a movie about fighter pilots. Man, Ali Sheedy with a flex in the 80s.

Not even anti-war. She was the go-to for five years. She's in every movie. Coming off, what was the... St. Elmo's. Wow. Breakfast Club, all this. Damn.

Julianne Phillips considered for Charlie. John Voigt considered for Viper. John's scared got it. Yeah, yeah. I'm glad scared got it too. John Void is Viper. That wouldn't be right. No.

Of all the people who were in the running from Averick, is there one who you think would have done the best job? I think Maudine would have been really good. I'm pro-Modine. I think he had a nice run. I like the Robert Downey Jr. possibility.

You get to see Maudine. Oh, wow. That's a really fun one to think about. Well, what if he had been Ice and Val Kumar had been Maverick? Whoa. Could have done that too. That would be pretty cool. It feels like Downy Jr.

Maybe even shorter than Cruz, too. I could also see Judd Nelson as Maverick. Oh, God. That's another. That's a different film. Or Charlie Shee's a film. Sheen was in the running. Charles Sheen.

Yeah, she was in the running. Time for the Dian Waiters Award. Oh, boy. Sheen didn't have the abs. I have a controversial pick for this, I think. Well, is Val Kilmer and Anthony Edwards, are they eligible? They're in it too much. They're in it too much.

Okay, so what's your pick? Meg Ryan. Carol. It's Meg Ryan, but I'm just going to throw out Ironside. I think Ironside does a lot. Coolest name in Hollywood. Like, ever? Michael Ironside.

Should have been a bigger start. Just that. Just that. He had the one about that was some great flying right up to the part you almost got killed. I'm down with Meg Ryan. Halfass Internet Research. Did you know this film was inspired by an article titled Top Guns published in California magazine? Three years prior.

The Life of Fighter Pilots at Naval Air Station Miramar in San Diego. So there's a lot of stuff about the U.S. Navy getting involved with this with script approval. They had to change some stuff. the opening dog fight was moved to international waters as opposed to Cuba the language was toned down a scene that evolved to crash on the deck of an aircraft carrier was also scrapped Maverick's love interest was changed from a female enlisted member of the Navy to a civilian contractor

Navy they did allow him to eat her face though and then that's A-O-K Secretary of the Navy stamped that one of the three Paramount was paying as much as $7,800 per hour for fuel and plane stuff Damn. Which seems like a lot and then not a lot because 15 million they ended up with.

That's the point that's confusing. Somebody died, this famous aerobatic... This pilot, Art Shaw. Dude, on-flight camera for the film had a real spin, died and crashed in the ocean near Carlsbad, and that's why it's dedicated to his memory. I didn't know idea about that. He was doing a stunt for the film.

Oh, wow. And died in Carlsbad. Val Kilmer ad libbed the bullshit line during the big story That's why everybody left Anthony Edwards was the only actor who didn't vomit while in the fighter jets Shouts to Anthony Edwards What a fucking that gee That guy

I will also say that apparently for Top Gun 2 The original like Christopher Macquarie's original idea for it was like Mav is trying to get used to like The New World of Drone pilots And it's just like about a guy who's getting phased out and like By drones? And by drones, and I get the impression from the trailer that that is not with this movie. I don't know. Are you sure? There's that Ed Harris line about how like your kind is on its way out.

Maybe that's an element. I wonder if that's part of it still. But I get the impression that Glenn Powell and Miles Teller are insanely ripped drone pilots. Glenn Powell. Shouts to Glenn Powell and whatever. Tom Cruise is like, this is a love letter to aviation. Yeah. So two scenes were filmed in a San Diego bar called Kansas City barbecue that I think we have to road trip. We had to go to a Padres game. There was a fire there. Yeah, huge fire there. So they sang great balls of fire and then they did the ending. You lost a love of feeling.

The restaurant collected a bunch of memorabilia from the motion picture and then had this kitchen fire and some of the stuff got destroyed. Not the piano. Yes. The piano survived. Is that the piano that Miles Teller's playing in Top Gun Maverick? I hope so. Might be.

I really want to go to this restaurant, though. I had no idea that was the thing. What if we moved the ringer to Miramar? Let's do it. So there's some height... Logger Town, USA. There's some height stuff with Cruz that I didn't know about. He had to wear lifts.

And special cowboy boots. She was three inches taller than him. It bothered Paramount. It was a big note. I'm sure it bothered Tom Cruise as well. So in the last scene, when him and Charlie, the jukebox and she walks up to him, she's standing in a trench that was dug by the Hollywood technicians because they wanted them to look like they were the same height. This is something that actually happened.

as if they didn't have enough of a lack of chemistry. She was just standing in a trench. Real John Snow Sanzo stuff right here. I mean, you know, when we're talking. Oh, my God, yeah. It would have been even more pronounced had Downey Jr. been in the film. Just look at, whenever you have time, look up like Downey Jr. lifts as a Google search. Oh, is he short?

I never. The stuff that comes up. Is that true? His shoes, like, the shoes that he wears are like, it'll be like Air Jordans with like a four-inch heel. Yeah. They're all, he, and they're also like. Google's. He tells me he's 5-9.

That's like the NBA thing, though. But Google says the cruise is 5-7. So just saying, who knows? Do you have any other intel that you've studied on the internet that you were surprised by? How do you have a set in their research? A couple more. No idea if this is true, but there's a nugget on the internet that the real people at Top Gun and real life are fined if they quote the movie. Oh, I saw that for $5.

That seems fake. That does seem fake. That seemed, I didn't believe that one. But I wonder if it, you know, got so out of hand. They had to put a cap on it. Who knows? Charlie, based on a real person. Yeah.

Christine Fox. What else? What else? Oh, Jason, this is for you and all the other Potterheads out there. Rear Admiral Peter Viper Pettigrew. That's correct. Peter Pettigrew. Oh, look at that.

He was an advisor on this film. I don't trust him. Wormtail, Peter Pettigrew, a big Harry Potter villain. So that was a delightful nut. I said I might have gotten that. Yeah. The filmmakers have denied that Maverick is based on a real person, but Congressman Randy Duke Cunningham claims that it's based on him.

That's sick. Which is an incredible thing that happened. We should start just being like, yeah, you know, that's actually... We should do that with the next, like, journalism internet movie. Yeah, truly amazing. You just claim your bit. They studied you. Oh, one more about the financing, because you were talking about that earlier.

There's this nugget out there that Tony Scott won. a particular alignment of natural light with one of his shots, and the captain of the ship turned it, and he asked him to turn the ship back, and the captain said it was going to be $25,000, that's how much it cost to make a turn. And so, yeah, and fuel. And so Tony Scott wrote him a check to do it

so that he could get the light he wanted. Jesus. Who knows? A couple more things like that. Apex Mountain, Tom Scarrett. Wait, did we do unanswerable questions? That's coming later. Okay.

Tom Scarrett? aliens, Tom's Garrett. Yeah. Over this? Yeah. The most successful movie of the mid-80s? I think he's in the movie for like five minutes. Okay.

Yeah. Kelly McGillis? Absolutely. Yeah. This is it. Witness and then this in consecutive years and then vanishes basically. It's tough because she's not good in this. She opens like a restaurant or something.

Rasevich, I think, 100% definitely. Is there another Rossovich? I can't even think of another. The Air Force? It's the Navy. It's the Navy. Rossi? Whatever?

Rodsey. Maybe that apex mountain for the Navy. This and... No, zero dark 30s, Apex Mountain for the Navy. Simpson, Bruckheimer? Wasn't the tower. Yeah, this time period.

I mean, Beverly L's Cop, this. It's Beverly's Cop, then this. So I would actually say this was their Apex Mountain, because after those combo, you could do anything. Yeah. And the cocaine was probably never better than 80s. It was a buyer's market at that time. I'm so sure.

Tom Cruise, no. Valcomer, no. Beach volleyball. I think Karcharai is Apex Mountain for beach volleyball. That's all got. Any other Apexers? No. Yeah.

Best that guy. Ooh. A.K. the Joey Pants Award. Michael Aronside and Tom Scared do not count. There's only for me, it's the bald guy. Who plays James Tolkien? James Tolkien. That's his name?

James Tolkien? The principal from back to the future. I have a couple of James Tolkien. Stinger questions for unanswerable questions. Okay. Well, we're now at picking, oh, this is a crucial category. The Saul Rubinick, they knew a word for Best Overacting. You have every scene with the bald guy.

Tom Cruise crying, crying, and every Valcomer scene. Valcimer is grief breathing. Yeah. Valcummer's grief breathing. Oh my gosh. We all like goose. Pick a nits. Want to pick some nits?

I feel like we've done a lot of them. Yeah, we did. The Mav quits the volleyball game. Oh, we're okay with goose dying, like the way he died. Like, they don't know how to eject somebody out of these. Right. It was like a manual eject was the problem. Couldn't have figured that out in the trillion dollar planes?

I will say it does seem like a design flaw. I would also just say another picking knit I have can also be thought of as an unanswerable question. But Hollywood still being a lot. after getting shot out of the sky with a missile in the last dog fight. That's why Cruz is so excited to see him. He's on the deck. And he's just like, it's me.

So you got blown out of the sky. Yeah. The cockpit was on fire. You guys landed in the ocean, got rescued and brought back to the deck in time to be dry and psyched when Tom Cruise gets back. Yeah, well, that's why Cruz is so excited.

But Cruz dies in Carlsbad. Yeah. Okay. Cruz, no. It's a nitpick. why did Mav throw Goose's ID into the ocean? Wouldn't it kept that one? Give it to Carol?

Maybe Carol wants the dog tags? I know. That was stupid. Her dead husband's dog tags? Maybe young Bradley wants them? I can't believe Maverick wasn't thinking about someone else's feelings in that moment. It seems very on brand for Maverick. Would you throw in Mallory's ID if she tried to die?

Would you throw in the ocean? I'm also not, I'm not, I don't have, I'm not like Maverick. It's just like only thinks about himself. I mean, that's, it's kind of like in character for him. Wouldn't it give that to Goose's son? Like, hey, man, you might want... I'm sure that's going to come up in Top Gun Maverick. He's going to be like, fuck you, bro.

You should wear my dad's necklace. Yeah, where is it? The crowded noisy bar suddenly going silent. Yeah. When you lost that love and feeling started is ludicrous. And then, uh, the ending. Oh, I have one more picking knit from the bar. No, I, I, I, oh, God.

The guy that Charlie's on a date with. Yeah. Yeah. Peter Pettigrew. A hundred years old. That's Peter Pettigrew. He's in there with a textbook and they're like reading it. She's definitely like the hottest bachelorette in Miramar and she's dating like a thousand-year-old English professor.

It's really weird. I think he's supposed to be her colleague. Sometimes at work ages but a number. I'll leave it at that. Okay. Everybody's buzzing the tower today. Jesus Christ. Why did Mab not want to fly?

This is my last nitpick. We're almost there. You're so eager to get to unanswerable questions. Why did Mab not want to fly anymore? He fought one battle in the Indian Ocean and Vipa goes, you can pick anywhere you want to go. Yeah. And he's like, I think I want to teach you.

And it's like, he just graduated three days ago. He doesn't want to get 10 years in? It doesn't make any sense. Where are these naval pilots going? Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's because they quit after one back. Although, although it is, it is, it is,

kind of Barry Sanders-esque. I mean, you go out, setting all the records. You take out four migs and you're like, it can only get worse from here. Like, the next time I go up, I probably get shot out of the sky. I'm also probably wanted by whoever, like, whatever country set these migs up. So maybe I just better chill in Miramar and sit in Kansas City barbecue and listen to a jukebox. I love also that in that last scene, he's definitely reading the USA Today's sports section. So that was like, got to see how the brewers are doing. That was an Apex Mountain for the USA Today Sports section. Best quote, Mallory, you're allowed five.

Five, okay. Stinger to Mav, son, your ego is writing checks. Your Body can't cash. Obviously incredible. I'm going to leave some of the ones that I know you guys are going to pick to you so that I can cheat and say five while knowing other ones will be picked. Take me to bed or lose me forever. Hey, goose, you big shit.

That's me, honey. Take me to bed or lose me forever. Show me the way home, buddy. All-timer. No one would say that in real life, and yet I think everyone would want to try after hearing that. I like Charlie's All Have What He's Having, Hemlock, is it? That's one of the only good lines reading from her.

Another really mean line by her. In the movie. Love to reference the death of Socrates. You've got to do it whenever you can. Let's see. The list, Goose saying the list is long but distinguished, and then slider saying, so is my Johnson.

Great stuff. Great 80s humor. just incredible stuff and I like when Goose says every time you go up there it's like you're flying against a ghost the dad backstory doesn't totally work for me in general

but for it all what a shock that that tacked on get some other answerable questions doesn't work but I like that line I just like the implied idea

that like you can become an elite fighter pilot like somehow through DNA through like muscle memory from the father you never knew Well, what about Tom Scarrott saying, explaining the real story of how Maverick's dad died?

He's like, he's hit pretty bad. He's hit pretty bad. And then he flew back and saved two more planes. Like, what do you mean? He's hit pretty bad and kept flying the plane and saved people and then it went down? He loses an engine. And instead of going back, he like helps out a couple other guys. Well, why wouldn't they tell the family that?

Well, I guess because he's like flying over Cambodia at the time. But it's also like, this is a chief unanswerable. 30 seconds later, they're like, let's go to another, like, legal. shady body of water and have a dog fight? Yeah. We still do in best quotes. Yeah, I got... I'm leaving the big one for you guys.

I have a... Well, that... I feel the need for speed. I feel the need for speed. I feel the need for speed. Wait a second. You were in a 4G inverted dive with a MiG-28. Like, she's just so completely

blown away by this? International relations. Working on international relations? I think that's all about... the way he like twists his hands and goes because I was inverted. That seems pretty good. That was a borderline rewatchable scene. The, that was some of the best flying I've seen a date right up to the part where you got killed.

There's just good iron side. I like when Goose says the Defense Department regrets to inform me that you're because they're stupid. That's a good one. It foreshadows, whatever. The hemlock line's great. I like when he says they were abused children about Iceland. slider who says that.

And then the whole remember boys, no points for second place. All that stuff's great. I mean, there's like this whole movie's going. Yeh jester's dead. Yeah. God damn it, Maverick. Like, those are things people said when I was in college

because everybody had seen this movie 700 times. Anything else? I'm going to need a beard to put these flames up. That's a good one. Holy shit. It's a maverick and goose. That's a great one. All right.

Well, I get one more. Could this be remade as a 10 episode Netflix show? No. Don't do that. Please. unanswerable questions probably was this movie intentionally homo erotic

or inadvertently homerotic Mallory We do have the Tony Scott evidence of the baby oil I just think it's in a I just think it's an erotic movie period Okay I think it's a sales It's a propaganda yeah everything about it is selling it It's like selling the plane selling the military That's selling how hot these guys are

The way that in aviator right there's that scene You know rubbing the curves of the plane like sexual It's a body. This movie does that about the planes and the bodies. Yeah, that's it. Why did they make hot shots when Top Gun was already a parody of itself? I think people took Top Gun relatively seriously. Yeah, they really did.

So that was answerable. Why did Val Kilmer get snubbed at the 1987 Oscars? Here are the nominees. Best Supporting Actor. Michael Kane, Hannah & Her Sisters, Tom Barrenger Platoon, Willem Defoe Platoon, Denholm, Elliot, Arum of the View, and Dennis Hopper and Hoosiers. Get out of here, Denholm. Denholm.

She'd gotten Val in there instead of... Val could have taken one of the platoon guys' This spot. Yeah. Stop it. Portraits and Valor. Room of the View. I don't even know what that was about.

What? Great book. Another in answerable. Couldn't Mav have ended up with Mrs. Goose? They're bonded. It's like kind of... You're so close to the friend. She's the widow.

You have this intense connection. Right. This is the... He's single. Right. This is the tag Biden story, I believe. Yeah. That's right.

I got one. Okay. So why is it so fucking hot on the deck of all the planes where they're like working the computers and stuff? Would it be windy? They're just, no, when they're inside the ship. In 86, did they not have air conditioning on ships at all? I'm going to say no. Guess not.

So it's not only is it like tropical jungle hot. We're sweating our balls off in here. And then Stingers, like, I got to chomp stogies and blow cigar smoke on these four guys the entire time. Well, they're all like uptight working the radars. It doesn't make any sense. What, I have to ask, this is terrible not to give you a heads up on this, but this is an answerable question. Was there ever a more depressing on-screen death than goose dying? My top five were Hooch, Hooch number one.

Houch dying at Dana Turner and Hooch. That was, yeah. I just can't believe they did that. That's a spoiler. A million. Yeah, that's not even. Goose number two. I got Fredo 3.

Every time you say that happens, I'm like, I forgot that that happened. Freedo 3. Was that depressing? Freedo 3 was kind of like you. Yeah, he was so weak. He was so frail. I got Mickey from Rocky 3. No.

Number 4. Like, what about fucking Deborah Winger in terms of endearment? Like, why are you making this so complicated? I'm saying unexpected, like, oh my God. I didn't see that coming. I thought you're saying emotion, like the worst like this is. No, if you do that, you do 100 of them. And I guess the champ, John Boy, which was like the saddest movie of the 70s.

Is there another one, though, that you would have? I would have to think about this. Yeah. I don't know. That's a good question. So you're saying a death that you don't. But. I can't believe they did that death.

Oh, my God. He's dead? You don't think that his death is kind of telegraphed the whole time. Yeah, I thought it was pretty telegraphed. He was the only nice guy. And also, also, something's going to have to happen to check match. What about Carl Leathering? To check his ego.

Oh, that's another good one. I mean, honestly, like, we talked about Platoon, Willem Defoe and Platoon. Yeah. Like, outrunning the VC and getting shot 50 times as the helicopters are taken off. Yeah, but you know he was going to die in that movie, though.

In much the same way that you knew Goose was going to die Because he was like... I don't know Jocko was going to kill him. And you figured it was going to be bad. I have a few more. Okay, go. Well, we already talked about the the volleyball and jeans, which is my number one.

Unanswerable question. I'm sorry in advance. Do you guys think that when Maverick leaves Charlie's house, she masturbates immediately, like right there on the back porch? Or do you think she takes the time to go inside for some privacy? No, I think she's, I don't even think she's that. Wait, the first time? Like after dinner?

Yeah. I don't even think she's like, he's like, I'm going to go take a shower and she gives them the eyes. Like, oh, we're going to fuck now. I don't even, I think she's more perplexed than anything. Reclining on the chase. I think she's honestly more confused than anything. Yes. There's, again, I got, again, McGillis's, McGillis's, McGillis's performance.

Yeah, again, that's, same. McGillis's performance, like, Cruz's performance is, like, there is, like, sexual in the way that, like, a kid thinks, like, sex is going to happen. McGillis, again, like, I don't know if she likes him. I don't know if she's attracted. I don't know anything about how she feels about it. You have like this view of this movie of like this town of perverts. I know. I don't.

You were like covered in oil and sand, masturbating furiously. I did not guess. I had the view of it because that's the view of the movie projects. There is no, there is absolutely no, you get, I got zero sense that McGill's character was at all attracted or turned on to him.

Oh my God. In that scene. She was just like, this guy came over, took a shower, ate a salad, and left. Like, I'm confronted.

I'm confused now. I heard that I didn't pour him wine. I know. I'm really confused about what this is now. She does. No. The answer is no. She's an astrophysicist.

And I think she's only been cute for like a year and she's probably been with like two guys. As evidence by at the bar, she's just with an old guy who asked her out. She's not even like on the radar. Hold on. I don't think she's boning. No, no, no.

I think she's out there in the 80s. She can still be in touch with her sexuality and take her career serious. I was interested in the whole time. I just, I think she's awkward. Like, she let Tom Cruise eat her face when they're hooking up. She's attracted him in the first place. He's an asshole.

And the only other person we saw him with was somebody who was twice our age. So? And she's an astrophysicist. So? I think she was in school for 10 years and it was never around dudes. You people have masturbated school? Wow, maybe. I don't think she's, I don't, I think she's like kind of, I think she's intrigued by him

and like the stuff he knows about planes. She wants to know about the mix. Yeah, but she's all like that. She's a nerd. She's not at all attracted to him. Her character is supposed to be. But it's not there on the screen, Mal. That's one of the only moments when it is.

When he leaves and she like sighs and reclines. Why is she not trying the elevator? She's zero percent flirting with him. Zero. She's making him a fucking salad. Meg Ryan's in three scenes and it's like, She's like, no one's eight-year-allard. Like, where is the flirtation?

Where is the anything? She doesn't put her hand on his shoulder. She doesn't touch him. You don't look at him in any kind of way. She's just like making a fucking salad. We're like, hey, I'm about to make a salad and eat on my porch. The telling you, is when they sing great balls of fire.

And Anthony and Edwards and Meg Ryan have such great chemistry. And then Cruz comes over and he's singing with him. And then Kelly McGillis kind of awkwardly walks over and Cruz like kind of puts his arm around her. Yeah. And it's just like they have nothing. I'll go you one further. There's more chemistry in the terrible scene where he walks in the bathroom. When she turns and faces him up, like doesn't stay like this, but actually like engages with him and is like, ha, ha, ha, this is funny that you followed me into the bathroom.

Right. Sure, like, I'll talk to you. And you want to do it on the scene. There's more that's a terrible scene. And there's more chemistry in that scene than there is at anything else that they do. She's more fascinated by him in that moment than at any other moment. Well, what do you think the dressing of the salad was? Because that could explain a lot here.

We've talked so much more about whether or not these two wanted to. want each other than like dog fights. Okay. Like real planes. But this segues nicely into another unanswerable question on the opposite end of the spectrum. When Charlie returns at the end, is she actually remotely interested in rekindling something with him? Or does she just want more Miggintel?

She wants more Miggintel. She wants more Miggintel. She doesn't really even say goodbye to him the first time. She just puts her house on the market. Yeah. Ocean Realty. I don't think she ever liked him. I think she was just a nerd who was spent 10 years in school getting out.

I think a lot of... I think it's like the nerve... I think a lot of it was on the radar. I don't think she had any interest in him, but like he's obviously objectively hot, and people are like, oh my God, this hot guy is like, wants to fuck you. And I think she's just like,

we'll see what this is about, but I don't think she had any interest in him. There's zero flirtation in that scene. She's making a salad now. Who flirts or somebody by saying I'd really like to hear about the migs sometime? What are we watching? Oh, this is the clip?

Yeah. She doesn't know. She's like, I got to go nerd up. What is that? It is like, it truly is like alien shit. Thank you. I'm going to take a shower.

Thank you. Right there. That's like, right there. I didn't get the mig. That's what she's thinking right there. The mig crews. That is true.

That is, that's good evidence. Thank you. That's definitely not. Whatever. I am not arguing if they have chemistry. I don't even.

know what we're arguing. Like, we were so far from what your original unanswerable question was, which was does she masturbate semi-publicly after this dude fucking boogie's out of there? Does she? And now somehow, right, I don't know what we're talking. The real question is

does she take the salad plates, clean them off, put the wine away? Right. And then masturbate? Or does she go directly? Yeah. That was actually the question. That's correct. You're a kid who lives in Miramar riding your bike down the street in 1986 and some weird scientist is masturbating on a porch because another guy went home to shower. Who she doesn't even like.

She doesn't even like this guy. I just picture. She doesn't like him. The night they met, he followed her into the restroom. She actively doesn't like him. If fantasy was there, he would be like goose being just carried. we'd have to drop a cable from the roof Any other than that's all the fantasy out

Any other answerable unanswerable questions? This was not like there's unanswerable questions And there's like questions that I've never fucking considered In 30 years of top gun being in my life We've made history today Who won the movie? Tom Cruise Yeah, it's Tom Cruise

You don't think it was the Air Force? No. It's not the... It's the Navy. What about the Army? Yeah, the fucking Coast Guard, because they came and got him in. Yeah. It's great.

Yeah, Cruise wins. Nice. It's great. Berlin. What are our expectations for Top Gun 2? High. They're higher than... Maybe too high.

I think I'm looking forward more to Top Gun Maverick than I am for Rise of Skywalker. Wow. How much Top Gun content do we have to do to get them to give the or private screening before it comes out. I think you have to have to sign bed up for the Air Force. mistakenly. Wait, hold on you. It's the Navy.

You've watched football with the man. Can't you, can't you have any polls? No, I wasn't there that day. I missed it. I missed it. The key piece of intel from that day was he brought a football. Teller retweeted me. So maybe if you do that way.

Don't sleep on that. That's right. Kimmel's house for football with like 40 people there watching football. And Tom Cruise decided he wanted to go and brought a football. Oh my God. was the only person who's ever done that. Did he has to take a shower? Because Tom Cruise is 11 years old.

That's the recurring theme. Amazing. I think that we probably like the teller and Glenn Powell are in here. Yeah. Those guys seem like they would like read the ringer. Goose Jr. is going to be the most important character. You know what Glenn Powell's just like what's going on with the Cowboys this year? I hope so.

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