The Rewatchables - ‘Trading Places’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

Episode Date: May 16, 2023

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan buy low on frozen orange juice and sell high on pork bellies after rewatching the 1983 classic ‘ Trading Places,’ starring Eddie Murphy, Dan Aykroyd, and Jamie Lee Curtis. Directed by John Landis. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Thanks, man. I appreciate that. Your support has really meant a lot to me and Andy. Do you anything on the Philly sports side or no? One last, we did one last Sixers pod. Oh, yeah? On Sunday night. Is there season done?

I haven't been following. Did you tune in for that? I didn't realize. You being like, I feel great on Sunday night sucked. I was wondering how this was going to go. It's fine. Being late that here is one. Can you know I'm on higher learning? Can you him on the ring of verse?

My name is Bill Simmons. We're about to do... Looking good, C.R. Feeling good, Bill. Trading places is next. How you doing? Eddie Murphy, the funniest man in America. What you have a man with no ladies?

You never go back, baby. Places, the funniest comedy of the summer. I can see. I can see. I have laid. Dan Eckler and Eddie Murphy in Trading Places of some very funny business. Free slimeball. Mwa.

Trading Places. Ready, Dar. Starts Wednesday at a theater near you. All right, Trading Places came out almost 40 years ago. I think it's next month is the official anniversary. Chris Ryan. early 80s Philly Right around when you were born, right?

77 I was born, so I was six when this kid. Or you're a little kid. Right around is you're born as a movie fan right around now. Sure. Yeah. Is this the apex for Philly for you? Let's just do Apex Mountain now. Trading places, Rocky 3 and... Sixers win the NBA championship.

Phillies go to the World Series. You know, everything's thriving. As you can see from this film, the cities never look better. It's a four minute credits in the beginning. It's awesome. And Landis doesn't care. He's just like, let's just roll it. Liberty Bell, Italian Market.

Let's go. What's your relationship with this movie, Van? So this was the first time I remember seeing Philly on screen and knowing that it was supposed to be Philly. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think that I cared about Rocky in terms of Philly because I just want to see Rocky knock somebody out. But this was one of those childhood classics.

Eddie Murphy was a staple, a holy person in our house, like on the level of like Michael Jackson. I guess he was kind of the movie star. Michael Jackson at that point. He was the guy, right? Eddie Murphy, Prince, Michael Jackson. So we would watch like Eddie Murphy, Saturday Night Live, that video of all of his sketches together. Yeah. And then we would watch this movie. And we watch it all the time. Me, my grandmother, my mother, and my sister. So it's like one of the early ones. 80 to 84. Just, just one of the great four-year runs of American pop culture for him. Eddie's my guy. We've done 48 hours. We did cop one and two. We did

coming to America. We did boomerang. I think this is the last like giant Eddie movie we haven't done. It's the last big piece. Yeah. It's the last Rushmore one. This comes out in 83. 48 hours had already come out. I'd already seen that twice in theater. S&L. Eddie was my guy.

And this with Dan Akroyd, he had the Blues Brothers connection with Belushi. He used to be in SNL. The Animal House director is doing it. They're big stakes. And then it exceeded the stakes. It was immediately a fantastic movie. Eddie was just amazing in it. And this was,

this launches Eddie to the fucking stratosphere. He is not only one of the biggest movie stars in the world, he's probably the biggest black movie TV person coming out of this movie, right? Yeah, well, I... I'm trying to think who else... Who else is in that conversation in 1983? Prior, right? But prior...

But this is like suns setting for prior, right? Yeah, prior is like, it's kind of ending for prior. And Murphy's just kind of grabbing the torch and taking it. At that, right around that time, you're going to... I mean, Bill Cosby is going to be like a... Cosby shows not until next year. It's not until next year. It's 84.

Yeah, yeah. And Eddie was like, S&L, even though it was like, oh, SNL's not doing as well, it was still like 10 million a night. And Eddie was still like one of the few, you know, signature black characters on TV in the early 80s. There's also something to be said for the fact that when you go back and look at the box office performance for trading places and just a lot of movies,

this was an incredible movie summer, much less year. It was a definitive movie summer because I think it was like one where they almost had too much good stuff coming out. Yeah, it was like shocking for the weekends. But the way that movies would last for months, which probably doesn't really happen even with hits these days, like even Guardians of the Galaxy 3, it's like that'll be like kind of in the rearview mirror in two more weeks or three more weeks. Yeah, it moves too fast. Trading Place is like locked everything up for months. Did you say it was top 10 for 17 straight weeks?

Get that through your head. That's crazy. That's like a freaking WMBA season. Yeah, that's people going to see it two, three times in the theater because you don't know when you're going to get to see it again. and it's making it a part of your life. And I think because of that relationship with the stuff, people had a different kind of relationship with stars, you know. And stars had more of a time, like they sucked up more time.

You know, like Eddie Murphy could be the person of the year in a real way that I don't think anybody can do now. Yeah, so the energy has changed, right? Because of the IP domination, we care more about the character than the actor. Yeah. The star. Yeah. So you can ask the question, like, is Chris Evans a movie star?

You can ask that question, right? He's certainly a movie star, right? Because he's the star of Captain America. Right. But is he a movie star in the way that movie stars are used to be? Probably not. You know what I mean? And so at this point, you have, like in training places, Eddie Murphy, who is this crazy

ascending star, and then Dan Aykroyd, who was a familiar, lovable face for a long time. And it seems like they're peaking. I mean, we talked about Apex Mountain and how what a difficult thing it is to choose the Apex Mountain. For Ackroyd. For Ackroyd. But it seems like at this point, they're young, they're hungry, they're in their sort of creative sort of sweet spot. And the movie gets better like every single time you watch it. Like for me, and I've seen this movie.

Well, hold that because I want to talk about how brilliant this movie is constructed. The Eddie piece of this, maybe I'm acutely aware of this because I'm a teenager, right? And I'm an only child and pop culture and sports, like meant way too much to me. But it did feel like there was an era shifting right around 82, 83, but really 83. Letterman's coming in now as like a real, as a real force. Eddie's taking over Saturday Live. You have movies that year, Tom Cruise, that's when Risky Business hits. You have Michael Keaton's coming off a night shift and he's becoming a big star.

that's Matthew Broderick that year with war games. It just like Seinfeld you start becoming aware of him. Letterman's having all these comics on and it just felt like the start of a different era, right? Whereas like the 70s is like Carson. It's like the tail end of the rap pack.

It's like all the godfather guys. It's De Niro and Scorsese and all the movie directors. And it just all that felt very 70s. It felt like in 83 range, we're moving toward this different kind of new generation of stuff. Howard Stern's involved in there, too. He's in New York at that point. The John Hughes stuff is about...

The John Hughes stuff's happening. MTV is hitting. And there's all this stuff for, like, teenagers that is in 70s. And Eddie's, like, at the forefront of it. He's the number one guy. Yeah, and I also love the fact that a lot of the movies that came out this year that were really popular. I mean, even just a couple you just mentioned are kind of edgy.

You know, like, they're not safe. And even when you watch trading places, you're like, Yeah, there's some stuff that's aged very poorly. There's also just some stuff that's, like, very confrontational that you wouldn't... I mean, when's the last time a movie has been made about a homeless person? You know what I mean? Like, it's just like there's... This film looks like a 70s film, but is about 80s stuff and 80s greed and 80s capitalism.

And Eddie is, like, right in the fulcrum of that, where he is, like, really, really likable and charismatic, but is, like, very confrontational and very provocative. And that's what this movie is. So the movie is interesting in that, like, I feel like one thing that's happened with the simplification of story is they want to give you mascots for bad, right? They want to give you that this person, this person is bad. And so whatever happens, this person is going to be bad. Like, when you look at this movie, they're obviously making, there's obviously a commentary on what is bad. But, like, Winthrop goes, he starts off one way, hits the bottom, then becomes the thing that you thought that he,

wasn't. And then, so it's not actually that any of the people are like actually bad here. It's a way of looking at people that is bad. So the Dix might not be great. Well, but, but, but this is what I'm saying is the reason why they're not great is because they're adhering to a view of humanity that makes them, that makes them that way. Lewis like, he changes. Like, life changes. Like, Lewis changes. Like, uh, fucking Eddie Murphy's character, they change, they change, right? And so that's movie making at a time where films had to be less sanctimonies. Well, and they weren't afraid to do satire back then as much either.

Yeah. This movie's a satire, but it's edgy and it's smart and it's... It's fucking funny. It's funny as hell and it's brilliantly constructed, right? This movie moves like five different times. We're in the Lewis section beginning, then the downfall of Lewis, the rise of Billy Ray.

And then Lewis getting his retribution or, you know, coming back up, but then getting, it's, so I guess he was four times. And then when it's right at the darkest, darkest moment, that's when Billy's like, hey, don't shoot me. Let's go get revenge.

And then one of the best endings ever. With them on the fucking beach. It's like, we've seen so many different films try to do that ending. And she's perfect. Well, a lot of people commented when it came out and you can really see it when you watch it now. It's just a classic Hollywood screwball comedy.

Yeah. And even the part that probably works the least well anymore of the train sequence is very screwball, like where it's just like, why is there a gorilla here? And there's like, are they throwing so much stuff with the wall. So 80s,

right. Like hijinks on a train on New Year's Eve or whatever. But it's all less, what is that hour 55? Yeah. And like the idea of these two guys flip, switching lives and what happens out of that. And like,

these, this sort of ensemble of characters who are all trying to make a kind of moral point about like the way life should be lived and the way the world should be viewed, that's 1940s. That's Preston Sturgis and Frank Capra and all the classic comedy directors of Hollywood.

And they just update it so well. One other thing to be said, it's like when you go back and you look at the movie now, especially since I'm older, I watch it so much when I was younger, to see all of them as basically kids. Yeah, especially Eddie. Eddie's like 21.

To see all of them as basically like kids, they look so young. Even Jim Belushi. See John Carl Esposito in this did my head in. Out Franklin pops up in the movie. I was just on, you know, I was old. You know what I mean? It's like, Al Franklin popped up.

The dad from 902 and O, he pops out. At house, yeah, James Eckhouse. Eddie, so this movie comes out. Paramount signs Eddie to a $25 million five film contract and agrees to finance his production studio. that was one outcome. Another outcome was, this comes out June 8th,

SNL season's already done, and it's like, oh, Eddie's going to leave SNL, which was like a big deal. He was like carrying the show by himself, so it's like, is that's not going to get, he clearly has to leave,

he's going to become this major movie star. It proved that he could carry a second movie. And then for the acroyd piece, you know, Belushi's dead at this point. They were filming the movie when Belushi was alive, but Belushi's going down.

But he was always the Belushi's sidekick. And it was always, like the Abin and Costello. If you take away the one guy, the other guy is going to fall apart. It was the opposite. He does this movie and he does Ghostbusters. But he was considered to be, oh, you don't want him as he was, what was it, Dr. Detroit?

Then he does neighbors with Belushi. His movie career was disappointing. Like he kind of needed this more than Eddie. Eddie was going to have more hits. So did Landis. Landis was in the same zone. Yeah. But the Accurite thing, I knew him from SNL when they started showing the primetime

SNL. So I fell in love with Belushi, obviously. like everybody did. And then Blues Brothers was the seminal moment that I don't feel like, probably for people under 35, I don't know if Blues Brothers matters. I think if they,

I think Blues Brothers is one of the movies from that era where like, if we showed it to the guys in this room who were younger, they would just be like, yeah, this is super boring. What is the fuck is this? It's definitely long.

And when we're like, Ruth Franklin is here, like you're like, nobody really is. It's one of those, it's kind of one of those, like, the 80s had these movies I used to call like dream movies. to where it felt like it was just in a haze of stars

and concepts being thrown at you. And cocaine? And now we're in the car and we're like, we're going crazy and goddamn Julius Irvin shows up. You know what I mean? And it's like all of those, and it was weird. And then at one point they just stopped making movies like that.

And now when you show those types of films to people, they're going to be like, what the hell is Aretha Franklin doing here? Like, why? Modern problems with Chevy Chase is like that. Or it's like, was just everybody, just blowing lines as they were filming this between tapes? The car chases

in Blues Brothers are the cokeyest thing in movie history. Belushi has sunglasses the whole time. You doesn't even want anyone to see his eyes. So yeah, Akroyd needed this one because it was like, what? Is this guy anything or not? You know, he's this brilliant.

He was kind of the first of the Phil Hartman, Will Ferrell, like those guys who could do all the different characters. He was an amazing cast member. It was unclear whether he could go on anything. And Jamie Lee Curtis was just a hard movie person. Like she's in Halloween one, Halloween 2, she's in Terror Train,

prom night. Scream Queen. Yeah. And that's kind of what she, all she was. So the fact that she was the sexy hooker in this movie was like, whoa. Dark times from my mother. Why? Because I was like a kid, right?

And I remember my mom was trying to make sure that I stayed with the sisters. And there was two people. It was her and it was Vana White. Was she your first first team white girl so the first first team the first starting white girl five

is is this is a big text thing with veda this first team all white girl yeah you have a team of because I'm with the sisters I remember when chiv Roy made it and it was like whoa is this too early for chivorei she made it she have made it you know whatever okay so like she was on the team she was on a team

so Javin and the Curtis was in the inaugural team the inaugural yeah wow she was on the The founding fathers. But this was also, like, influenced by dad. Yeah. Because dad, we watched the movie, and dad would be like, God damn, that thing, bad right now. And mom would be like, okay, that's enough.

All right. Now, when it happens, when he comes in here, he's like, O.J. Simpson, you're going to feel bad about it. He's like, that ain't going to happen to that boy. Ain't no white girls even around here. Rewind. So, but yeah. So, but she, I didn't know nothing, right? Because I wasn't older.

Didn't know the screen queen thing. Dad would be like, that's Tony Curtis's daughter. I'd be like, who the fuck is Tony Curtis? You know what I mean? I didn't know anything. You were rocking Spartacus. I knew nothing except for that. This is the first time I can remember her.

Well, producer Craig mentioned before we started taping about how this was the gratuitous nude scene era, which it was. Yes. But the nude scene that she has in this movie was incredibly important for the movie and for her career. We didn't know it was coming. It wasn't like the Halliberry's Swordface. we know two months in advance. It's going to be a top of the scene.

And it just kind of comes out of nowhere. And it's like, oh, my God. Like, this is the girl from Halloween, Halloween, too. You're going to do that. But it became a big thing for, I think, her career. I don't know if she's crazy that it happened all these years later. But it was a sign. I am not the horror movie person anymore.

I am now. Yeah, when she shows up in this movie and she's asking for heroin from Lewis, it's like, oh, we're like, this is a different vibe from, yeah. By the way, crazy. Get that woke shit out of here, bro. We're trying to have fun watching movies, bro. You know what they come? I'm as woke as they come.

I'm all the way to the left of the... But sometimes we just got to watch Jamie Lee. There's a line to be drawn, bro. Craig going, I didn't like it. Shut up, Prick. I didn't say I didn't like it. No, he just said he noticed it. I just pointed it out.

It's just a staple of the 80s. It's odd. It's oddly inserted. Yeah. You're like, did that have anything to do anything? It's a seminal moment for me. and my sexual awakening, but it is strange when you're just like,

ah, she's explaining like, you know, how the house works. When is the last time you saw a movie that a modern movie with a gratuitous nude scene? It just kind of doesn't happen. This was the 80s had entire movies that were gratuitous. Like, Porky's is just a series of dialogue scenes with nudity.

Porges is so bad. I try to watch him on vacation. Porkes is terrible. You can't watch. Revenge of the nerds. That movie is also bad. I like this is so bad. Yeah, it's like, we're going to infiltrate the sorority.

Police Academy has a lot of, like, that stuff. This was the era. I'm not, not defending it. I'm just saying, this is what it was like. This is what it was. John Landis, the director in the span of 10 years, bangs out, Animal House, Blues Brothers, Trading Places and Coming to America. Yeah.

And unfortunately for him. There's some valleys there. Yeah. I'm just saying those, if you're just pulling it away, those are four titles. Much like Craig's Warriors, won four titles, but then had these other seasons. where they didn't make the playoffs. They lost in a playing game. They also went to two more finals.

But then he got overshadowed by the Twilight Zone. That was a tragedy. Multiple people died. Helicopter crashed in the water, killed some actors and some kids who probably shouldn't have been working at midnight. And that took over, you know, the 80s. And even though he made coming to America after trading places, his career was never really the same.

Yeah, and he and Eddie, one of the things that you read about this movie, is that like everybody on it is like that was one of the best times I ever had making a movie and I think that he and Eddie really connected and then Eddie like kind of brought him out of like a little bit of director jail to do cop three is that right yeah that was much later yeah but the other thing is Eddie wasn't a superstar yet when he filmed this he was an S&L star they had they had they were watching 40 hours like they were watching like they saw screenings of it so like they could test it basically yeah and Landis was like oh my my God. So by the time Eddie does cop, he's like Elvis. You know, it's just different. On this set, he's still the 21-year-old kid who can't believe he's making a movie with all these people. And he's bullshitting with Ralph Bell and Don Amici on the set. Hanging out of his old guys.

Landis was one of the most recognizable faces to me as a director because of thriller. Yep. Yep. So, like, when you were watching The Making of Thriller, which I've seen the making of thriller. So many times. As many times as I've actually seen. It's a great point because it was on MTV for like five months straight. Right.

That's another point about like you have to under like, you had 10 things and that's all you rocked with for a year. Like I probably watched a say, hey, hey, say, say video with McCartney and Michael Jackson, which is a terrible song and a worst video a hundred times. Yeah, like a million times to the point to where, like, you got so used to seeing it that it seemed like it was like always on. So I knew that it was John Landis.

He was a big deal and it seemed like he was doing all the movies that I liked. So early on, And he was one of the first directors. I was like, oh, John Lanzis did this. So I'm kind of interested in it. Who else was on first team? The inaugural first team all-way girl? And so it's going to be.

Jamie Lee. Jamie Lee, Vanna White, and then later on in the decade, you got Kelly Kapowski. Yeah. Okay. So. Do you include Valer and Malone with Cal?

Is it by both of them? Because the same actress? Valerie and Malone. 9-2-0? No. When she grew up? By the 90s, the team had totally changed. Okay.

Because by 92, I'm really starting to understand. Mallory Keaton to make it? They've gotten a different GM in the strip down the roster, built it back up again. Kirsty Alley? No, no, although summer school, first of all, if Kirsty Alley was on the team right now, I wouldn't be able to admit it because of things that happened later on. But summer school, I was like, she's amazing. Oh, you know who was?

Speaking of summer school and Revenge of the nerds, Courtney Thorne Smith is great. Oh, yeah. Courtney Thorntz Smith was on it. Future Melrose play star. So this movie, this is the background of this movie, there's some good stuff about it. But it was one of the writers, Timothy Harris, he played tennis against these two wealthy brothers

who would just bitch and they were super cheap. And he would come home and he would just be mad that he hung out with these guys. And he lived like on Fairfax in a pretty rough part of L.A. at the time. Right. And he was like, man, like the juxtaposition between the way these guys live and where I am. So he gets this idea of these two brothers. that become whatever and then he gets his partner harris wine groud they research commodities they find out about there's this thing called silver thursday the hunt brothers tried to corner the silver market

and they decide this will be the movie there'll be these two guys and there'll be a chase so they kind of start sketching all of it out they used a little bit uh probably from the prince of the popper mark twain's thing because it's a little similar there uh they decided to make orange juice and pork bellies instead of the typical stuff just because it's a little more relatable. And they're off and they construct it and they make it. And it's one of those rare scripts that's just like pretty flawless. It's got to say. It's so tight.

You alluded to the beats. It's basically like, what is it? Like 15 minutes to Eddie shows up. I think Jamie Lee shows up 45, 50 minutes into the movie. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like the way that they just like they do like these little like. The acts are so perfectly played out.

It's like the train section, the commodities section. Everything like in your head, it's just, it's all segmented. And it's one of those also, you know, when you're writing the screen, play every scene is supposed to obviously say something, but most movies that you watch, you go, God damn, they really could have lost that scene. You know what I mean? They really could have got rid of that.

Yeah. But in this one, almost every single, especially at the beginning, every single scene of the movie tells you something so important about the characters. Yeah, like the party scene at the house. when Eddie's Billy's starting to turn and he's starting to be like now that I own shit

I don't want people putting cigarettes out and yeah I mean there's that I also think that like it's rare that you when you watch this movie and you're like the 17th character

in this film is so perfectly cast where it's even the guy who's like yeah like that guy is perfect Bill Cobb being the bartender or the two cops who pick up Eddie and his legs drop like even those guys are great

yeah you were not sang dang dang com yeah this movie got an Academy Award nomination Oberin Bernstein scored the film and the score is like such a huge part of this I always forget

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Jedi was in there. I don't know. I can look it up when we do the break. Roger Ebert, three and a half stars. He loves story. Quote,

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Exclusions apply. Visit the website for full terms and conditions. All right, at Chris Ryan's request, I'm giving you the top 10 in 1983. Here we go. Star Wars, Return of the Jedi. Star Wars, that's like a space movie? Just continue. Is that the one with the lightsabers and shit?

Do the thing. Tootsie, flash dance, trading places, war games, octopussy, staying alive, risky business, Mr. Mom, and National Lampoon's vacation. Wow. Superman, 3, 48 hours, if you want to go top 12. Superbent 3 is bad. I like it. It's bad. What a time to be alive, man.

48 hours came out in December 10th and made enough money after the New Year started that Eddie and up being in the top 12 for both. All right, we're going to do most rewatchable scenes. Man, this is going to be hard. First one, opening credits. Love it. Got to be in there for CR, right? Yeah.

Jesus. Also, like, do you get such a sense of what time of year it is where it's set? I don't know. I mean, it's just like, it makes me missed even thinking about it. Makes me jealous. I got to make a movie so I can put a Baton Rouge montage in there. McKinley High, LSU Stadium. the state capital, you know what I mean?

Boil and Rue. Places of the Delpit's Chicken Shack. What time of year would you set your Baton Rouge movie? Where the climate is going to be the most conducive for this, because I don't like to go home after July. It's just boil. So it's like March. I love March.

It's a March Maden Rouge. Then you have to find one day that is not raining. But it's such an amazing setup for the city, which is a campaign. character in this film. Yes. And all the characters in the movie are set up

really well. Like when the first time you see Billy Ray, the first time you see Winthrop he walks in there. He's obviously where you see him and he's getting shape.

He's pampered. He hasn't really had anything. And the city is the first thing that they set up to kind of give you the aura there. How about the Rocky statue being in the credits? Yeah.

It's a little across the beams, but I like it. Sure. Yeah. When did they put that statue up, dog? Pretty soon after. Yeah.

Oh, after Rocky Tree. They just throw it up there. Interesting. Go for it. Next one. Eddie realizes he has legs. I can see. I can see.

I have braised jeez. I appreciate this. Oh, this is beautiful. I can't believe. Thank you. I don't know what to do. I can walk. I can see.

I can see. I love you guys. You, the two of you. And then he bumps it in a Winthrop when he's leaving. And does, for some reason, grabs the briefcase and walks around, leading to all the guns being pointed at him, which is the Blues Brothers callback.

Yeah, which I really enjoy. Eddie's just like leaping off the screen. I mean, that's the first time we see him. It's like, oh, my God, they're just letting Eddie cook. This is great. The Dukes make the offer to Billy Ray, which is to pick him up. I like what he leans forward and talks to the chauffeur.

We'd like to supply you with a home of your own, a car, a generous bank account, an employment with our company. We're going to start you at $80,000 a year. $80,000? Excuse me. This is a practical job, right, brother? Then these dudes are a couple of faggots in, huh?

Well, what's my next move, man? Thank you, you've been helpful. Thank you, you've been helpful. And then they're like, well, yeah, no, no, I believe I can hang out with you guys a little longer. I like what he calls him Randy and Morty. Yeah. Rande, Morty. This is my TV.

Yeah. This is my TV. You say all of this stuff, this is my slave. Billy Ray Oh, I guess that's part of this too But Billy Ray getting into his place after Winthrop gets framed When he breaks the vase, that whole part You want me to break something else?

Oh yeah. Want some metal of a limouship? This might be the winner for me. It's in the running. Eddie goes to a bar. Sees the two guys from the jail. You was in the tank last night bragging on your limousine.

You the motherfucker. was gonna call. Yeah. Motherfucker. Mua? That just happens to be in my limousine outside. Why don't you go take a look at it? Right outside.

Yeah. Throws a party. Motherfucker? Moi? Who's been putting out there cools with my floor? Every piece of this is just like... Yeah. Probably a tactical mistake.

Maybe just stay in the... the bar, Eddie? No, but like you're like, you want to show off what you've got. What's the point? What's the point? I don't know. Probably good at the bar. I got you a little measly $27 that he throws the money.

With interest. With interest. The Christmas party. Which I'm going to go all the way through when Billy Ray over here is the bet, but we get salmon in the Santa Claus suit, which I want to dive into later. Eddie, after they pull away. Louis when he's taking the drugs and putting in a bag

and he sees the one joint and he pockets it in the bathroom combo where it's like... He has to keep the inhale at his and swath all that stuff just like Louis wakes up and sees Billy Ray

it was good jokes it was that jokes you're a dead man Valentine it wasn't it wasn't experiment. Now you, this is guinea pigs, man. You're a dead man, Valentine? The trading scene.

And then one of the great endings. What do you got? The only addition that I would throw in there is Billy Ray in jail, which is still to this day, like one of the three or four funniest scenes in movie history to me. Yeah, you're right. I wish my bitches hurry up and get here. I ain't got no time to be sitting inside this sad with you. What is your bitches?

Mr. Big Time pimp, yeah. Didn't I tell you that the phone and my limousine is busted and I can't get in contact with my bitches? Yeah, the phone in the limo is busted. What are you, isn't it? Hey, look, sit down, all right? There wasn't another funny jail scene until Chris Tucker and Money Talks,

which was fucking hysterical. But, like, just him talking about being a karate man. Karate man bruise on the inside. Crime man, bruise on the inside, quarter blood technique, that stuff. I'm going to go ahead and just do it. The phone in the limo is busted. The phone in the limo? Did I tell you?

My ho's missed a big time, Pimp. You would know nothing because you're a big Barry White-looking motherfucker. So I'm going to go ahead and do it just because I wouldn't be me if I didn't do it. Obviously, you guys are trying to be, you know, nice and PG with it because you got

your sponsors on the rewatchables and stuff. You're on the rewatchables and stuff. You're on the rewatchables. It's like, what are you talking about? I don't know where this is going, but I'm excited. I'm telling you, if we're going to talk about what are the rewatchable scenes of the movie. Obviously, the two genuinely Curtis. I had that in which stage the best.

Right, right. But we can do it now. Obviously, those scenes are by far the most rewatchable, the rewatchable scenes. I think that you should say what you said to us about that scene, because I think it's honestly like the blur of the century, and I can't sum it up any better. It was watershed event. Yeah. It really was. It's like a top five

nudity, unexpected nudity in a movie that I think really impacted an entire generation of young males. I imagine like when the first people saw that movie in theaters, they ran out of the movie theater like Lincoln had been shot to tell everyone else. It was like extra extra. Listen, we're just being honest. Nudity was just way more of a commodity in the early 80s. Yes.

We had no accessibility to anything. And on top of it, it was somebody who we all, liked from all the horror movies and just came out of nowhere. And I'm not, by the way, when I'm saying this, I'm just being my honest self. I'm speaking to who I truly am. By the way, if you go back and look at those

scenes, she knows she's about to fuck you up. Because like she does. Because like even the second time... It's like Steph smiling at the fellow. Right. It's like she knows she's about to fuck you up. Because the second time I watched it a couple of times,

you know, I was watching the movie. The second time his character can't even see her. Like he's turned the other way. And she still goes. And I'm like, oh, Jamie, get him. Get them, Jamie. And she gets in there. He doesn't even know that she's topless.

The only people who know are us, the audience. So she knows about to bust their motherfucking heads again. It was a watershed moment. What do you have for most rewatchable? It's the trading floor. The trading floor saying is, yeah. That's the number one wants to rewatching. It's like maybe.

If you want to say one thing about the problem with comedies is that, like, there's never anything. They don't know how to end comedies because the point of a comedy is to be funny. You're not really trying to make like a plot arc that resolves in a really satisfying way. And this is like a fucking bank heist when they do this. This is, if you're flipping channels and Jamie Lee and Coleman are dropping them off at the train station. Here's my money. It's everything I had. We're like, all right, I'm in for the next 25 minutes.

And the fact that Mortimer or Randolph, one of them falls out. And he goes, your brother, he's not well. Fuck him. Fuck him. Like, that just is the caper. Amiti. Yeah, Amiti. Like, fuck him.

It's like, that's the camper of, like, the entire thing. We're wrong. This is an outbreak. I demanded an investigation. You can't sell our seats. A Duke has been sitting on this exchange since it was found. We founded. We founded this exchange. It's ours. It belongs to us. Oh, my God.

Morning. Your brother's not well. We better call an ambulance. Fuck him. Now you listen to me. I'm on train reopened right now. Get those brokers back in here. Turn those machines back on. Turn those machines back. I agree with you guys. What's age the best? Young Eddie Murphy. The look at that S-cargo just fucking kills me as a terrible joke. It gets me every time. The guy's set up. The guy's so cheap. He's got the guy. He's got the. that weird fucking toupee. I have the judge's girlfriend

as a sneaky Dian waiters candidate. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We mentioned the opening credits, the score. So, I like when the Dukes explain commodities to Billy Ray and he says it sounds to me

like you guys are a couple bookies because that's basically my interpretation too. They basically get a vague from everything. What's age the best? Coleman, the Butler. You like Columbia.

You want to do Mount Rushmore now for Butler? For Butler. Well, it's him. Alfred. Tim Curry from Clue. The guy from Arthur. Oh, Hobbs from Arthur.

Yeah. Great. One more. Was there a butler and Annie? Does Annie have a friendly butler? Oh, Jeffrey from the Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Oh, yeah. I put him up there.

This is a great, was a great butler. So does Alice from the Brady bunch? Does she count as a butler? Is it made is a different category? Is butlering still a thing, though? That's what I want to know. Mr. Belvedere? Was he a butler?

I feel like, wasn't he like? the caretaker of the children. I guess he was a butler. But, like, those guys... But they were just, like, in a suburban home. It wasn't like he had to go, like, dusted. What a fucking amazing butler he was. Except for the fact that he lied to his original boss,

like, the entire time, because he was, like... He could have ended this movie in minute 16 by being, like, they're fucking with you. But he felt bad about it, though. You could see, like, when he was telling him... Coleman was a good morality stick for the movie because he was, like, chained to the Dukes. He could not move away from them.

But you could see it. in his face the whole time. Great little performance, right? You could see it in his face that it was killing him because he had some kind of connection to this guy. You know what I mean? Oh, I forgot a scene.

Rewatchable scene. I just say it's real quick. The scene where Billy Ray finally proves his worth to the Dukes. Oh, yeah. The Kung Fu Grip and the entire joint like that. That's an amazing scene. I should have had that in that. He just saved us $347,000.

I love Randolph and Mortimer, the chemistry of the two guys. It's just so fun to watch those guys act together. Two old guys. Like Ralph Bellamy was like 80 when he filmed this. Amici was 74. But just you really believe they're brothers. They're give and take and just everything. I thought it would.

They also just, they're such pros that they deliver the setup to the movie so well, the nature versus. Yeah, they're not trying to be villains. Yeah. The villain stuff is all inherent. I this is subtle but when the gorilla hits beaks and then they're like what are we going to do with it with beaks and they look at the grill and the girl's like ha ha he makes that noise it always kills me there's some

amazing amazing subtle rich guy stuff in here that i wrote down some of the stuff i liked the opening when Winthrop when he gets ready and he goes he goes he gets all dressed and he goes out and coleman is behind him and he just stands by the door waiting for Coleman to open the door for like three seconds fucking lights out squash being like part of everybody's life and the squash club perfect the heritage

club they show that heritage club it just seems like the racist most whitest place you could ever go Penelope his girlfriend whose nickname is Muffy like Penelope wasn't like a white enough name for I love the Exeter and Harvard drops

and then my favorite is the constant Fry's song. Oh my god. Murphy in the bathroom stall. Margaret by the lake. Susan down in Ridgely Hall. Constance on the make. Constance will fulfill your needs. Winter, spring, or fall. What the fuck was going on

with Constance? She seemed good with it too. It took me a long time as a kid to understand that song. It was a lot of things. It's a similar thing. When they finish it, they turn each other and they went, that was great. And she's right there as they're talking about how easy she is.

Yeah. But she, it seemed like she was with one of them. Yeah, she was on the, she was a lot going out of that scene. Another rich guy moment is when Penelope and Louis are having dinner and a gentleman

allie, it's making them dessert. And he's like, they're about to go screw. So he's like, you know, we'll have our drinks in the study. And he's like,

what about dessert? And he's like, you have it. Right. You take it. The five-hour tips, another one. Yeah.

It's just the rich guy stuff's great. I like, when my, Muffy's like, you're heroin, though. It wasn't heroin as angel dust. PCP. Yeah. What's age the best?

Coming to America. We get to see Mortimer and Randolph again as bums. All right, this is a great one. So, Penelope, lights out in this movie. Lights out.

Throwing 98. Every soon. Oh, yeah. Great. Two IMDB credits, total. Trading places, and she was in, Van Hunter or Chris Ryan favorite.

And that's it. Oh, that's a fucking fantastic. That's her entire AM to be. She was a famous model from the 70s and just kind of dabble in acting and then got married. And that was it. She's Ansel Elgort's aunt. What? That's all I got for you.

Who did she marry? She married some guy as a biology professor. Yeah. You want to talk about how she's not ride or die enough for you, though? Not at all. So it's not that, okay, first of all, you're supposed to stay with him. He had a little legal trouble. He was in the house.

You know what I mean? You guys were doing the whole thing. You're supposed to stay with him. He got one charge. I'm saying? One charge. You're supposed to stay down. I feel like...

But she was the big catch in the group, though. She was playing everybody against each other until the wedding. She wasn't constant fry meeting people by the lake. That's fine. Then she ended up fucking with his homie from the Heritage Club. Todd. But Todd was, it felt a little love triangle to me. Todd was in the batter circle for a while.

Yeah, Todd was... The on deck circle. Every time this guy was out. What kind of society do y'all live in? You let me get out of... You all? And figure out that my girl is fucking with one of my homies from the... I don't even want you to date one of the guys I play ball with.

Let alone you're wit. That's what... Cheek-fucked. Come on, man. And this is what the Dukes knew. The Dukes knew that everyone in his life would turn on him. These were the original Murdoz. Yeah, exactly.

Murdogs. Murdogs? Murdogs? Murdox is like the Fox News Murdox or the Murdof family? The Murdof family. Yeah, this is it. It's dark. another one's age the best

the big ending in the orange juice and the short selling which none of us understood as it was happening for years and years and years and I still don't totally understand I read an explainer about it I read an explainer too

and I 95% understood it but I still don't totally understand it and to me that's age the best because I don't think it matters all that matters is they did what they did and it worked out and they ended up on an island

it doesn't get bogged into we don't have the extra two minutes of somebody like, so here's what they're doing. Yeah. They just like, you're there. It's a very buying and selling. They bought low and they sold high. I didn't understand any of that stuff until I watched the big short.

And then I had to dedicate myself to understanding it. Yeah. I still don't understand the commodities market that much. But I just know that they were, that's why the crop report is such an important plot device. Right. Because knowing that they have the real information from the crop report, let you know that they were able to do something that the Dukes weren't able to do because

they had the wrong information. Craig, did you understand it? Not fully. I'm going to explain it really fast. So you do futures. You can buy a future stock at whatever price you want without yet owning it. But when the time comes to own it and pay for it, you have to have the money. You're buying a contract and there's like X amount of oranges, say, on that contract.

and then you're buying like what you think the price of it will be at a certain point. So they sell it at $1.45 per unit. They're selling it and people are buying it. But the reason they're selling it is because they know it's then going to drop. And then they can re-buy it at the 29 cents. So they know how many. Everybody's money in the first place and then they buy it for much cheaper. So they basically matched the amount that they owed down the road after a crash for like $29 for thing.

And they forced a margin call. You get a dollar difference thing and you're ready to roll. And then the Dukes had to pay because of the margin call, which broke them. The Dukes bought it up without realizing it was going to drop. Right. I think that's, I think we did that correctly. So if you invested one million bucks, the way this is all laid out, they would have made about 5.4 million bucks. So it's like five and a half times.

Inflation is like three to one. So it's about they would have made like 15 in our time. So the question is like we can do. this now, the probably in answerable question is how much money did they actually invest? Because they're on an island and in a boat, but I don't think they're there the rest of their lives. They might have just been vacationing. They didn't make like $300 million. No. I mean, basically all the cash they had was from Jamie Lee Curtis's savings and Coleman's savings. Right. So, I mean, in that case, they had enough to do two things. One was to bankrupt the Dukes,

which is what they really wanted to do. And then two was to get them back in the game. to keep them in the game. Any other what's age the best for you, Sierra? The moment when Eddie Murphy looks at the camera, when... Oh, the deadpan, yeah. Bellamy's like, which you might find in a bacon, lettuce and tomato sandwich.

And just Eddie deadpins it. It's like, that's a real landist thing, and I love that. And then there is a trilogy of people throughout the movie, basically like when Beeks turns to the lady at the pay phone and just goes, hold on a second, fuck off.

And when Coleman asks, when Coleman asks Billy if he wants him to pass more adurves and he goes, fuck them. Like there's just so many good like random like F bombs in this movie that's random F bombs is age the best. I like, I think Coleman is age the best. I love Coleman. Like when Coleman is putting the fur on the one lady at the party and he's like, Jesus Christ. Coleman ain't never seen no shit. like that. Yeah.

Like being, what's his name? And knowing that Coleman's story is pretty cool. Like, maybe I have to be a little older to, like, be,

for it to, like, resonate with me. But he's been like a servant his whole life. Yeah. And everyone was content to have him in that role until this brother

comes along that kind of makes him a part of the team because Billy Ray isn't used to talking down. They want to go have a stiff drink. At the Ray?

Yeah, he's feeling himself. So Coleman is the man. So when I looked at that, I'm like, oh, that's a story right there. The Kid Cuddy Pursuit of Happiness Award for Best Needle Drop. What do we have for this? I got Zeta Kai anthem. Oh, that's good. Okay.

You're right. Oh, I like, I like, uh, da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da. What's the song that when they're in Billy Ray's house? Oh, yeah. Oh, that's the lady's got like, like, yeah, that's good. Yeah, right.

Right. The Big Cahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink. I think best use would be the Crape Suzette. Yeah. That's what Coleman was making them for dessert that they told him to go eat. And then he puts in the garbage. The grossest use is the Santa Claus salmon. Can we wait for a second to talk about the salmon?

I have something to say about that. Let's wait. Okay. Denna Thieves Benihanna Award for Scene Stealing Location. I have the stock exchange for. I like the whole setup. So I have the giant conference room where Winthrop gets framed.

Oh, yeah. I like that wide shot. It just fucking looks eyes wide, shriety. Yeah, it's just like the creepiest. Great shot,

Gordor where most cinematic shot, it's got to be the ending. On the beach. Fucking island. Yeah, I love it. All right, the Vincent Chase Award for, are we sure

this character was actually good at his job? Beaks, just fucking fly. Why are you on an Amtrak? Well, the dudes gave you all this money, just getting on a fucking airplane

and fly first. is also a weird character because it probably should be two people. Like there's one guy, what? Yeah, I agree. Considering they're trying to corner the fucking orange just market it. But the more people you have, the more people are going to know what they're doing. But he's also like their bag man and their dirty tricks guy. But he's also like a works for the department of agriculture.

He was on TV. He was like, they were like this Clarence Beeks has the agriculture report. It's like, but everybody knows Clarence Beasts is on the payroll. That is a good point. Ridiculous. I like Clarence Beaks. Speaks, though. Me too.

It's a swarmy motherfucker. Well, he's in the Butch's Girlfriend Award for the weak link of the film, which is the train scene. First of all, Beeks, why are you flying or why are you riding on a train where there's going to be other multiple passengers? How do you not recognize everyone right away and the Blackface? It's not a great 10 minutes. Do you want to start the Richard Dreyfus Award for Blackface in the movie? Let's do it.

I mean, it's like, it's like, what is he? The highly-salasi, like, cultural affairs? And here's the thing, though. This is the, this is the, this is like the thing. Wait, can you tell people what that, bet? So Richard Dreyfus, Richard Dreyfus said that he, he, he, and you should play the sound, it's the funniest sound ever.

He's very upset that he won't get to play a black man. He did a whole interview a couple of weeks ago. Because the academy were changed the rules about diversity with cast or whatever. He was very upset about that, and he's like, he said, Lawrence Olivier played a black man. In Othello. Brilliant. And he's like, thank you.

Right. You're sort of proven his point. Anybody can do anything. But this is like what, when I saw when I watched the scene, I was like, God damn, I hope Dan Aykroy doesn't fuck up on Twitter. Yeah. Because if he fucks up on Twitter, they are going to bring this scene up.

Well, we're doing this podcast. So I think it might be like revisited, not to some extent, like to a little bit, but like, well, it's one of the reasons I think people thought, oh, are you guys going to do trading places or is that movie canceled?

It's like, yeah, there's a, there's a few things in this movie where you're like that, that's high and inside, you know? The 80s. Yeah. The homophobia in this movie

through the roof. Right. It's just what it was. When Eddie is like grabbing the woman's coat and he's like, you bitch. You bitch. He tries to talk to her.

Yeah. And then she leaves, fuck you, bitch. He said, we could have made it, baby, you know, the whole thing. We've talked about this before on this podcast, but to me, like, I like that this stuff is like this in the movie because this is like what 1983 was like. This is what flew. It's kind of instructive. Like, some of this stuff wouldn't find out. I get it.

But in 1983, nobody thought twice about the Blackface thing for years. It was, so there were, I do want to point this out. Yeah. Blackface has long been something that's been controversial in the community. I just think that the visceral reaction to it. I'm saying when this movie came out, nobody was like, whoa, controversial blackface. Also, there wasn't Twitter.

There wasn't Twitter. But I want to make sure that people don't think, oh, there was one time where black people weren't mad about blackface. Right. My people were always upset about... I think the fact that Eddie Murphy is in the scene, if it's just Dan Aykroy doing blackface randomly in this movie, people are probably like, what the fuck is this?

But the fact that Eddie is in the scene with him doing it. Well, what that probably made people's thinking, okay, if Eddie's okay with it, we should probably trip to. And like, when I was in a kid, Did you think it was a thing in the 80s? No, because I didn't know. And so I think that's the difference. So, like, I think that there's a more widespread consciousness and an understanding of what people are talking about when they don't want to see people do blackface.

Then maybe there was before because we can share the information. The other thing is it's just they didn't need to do it. Nothing about the train sequence needed to happen. They could have just gone to New York. Yeah. But you had to. It's so, like, unnecessary. He could have played 19 other characters.

He didn't need to be like a Jamaican. Like, they did not need to do it that way. But this is like on SNL, like the next year, Billy Crystal is doing Sammy Davis that whole year, and he's doing it in blackface. By the way, it hasn't gone anywhere. It's still like somebody goes, no, da, I just wanted to play Jerry Rice for Halloween.

And we're like, we're trying to tell you all the rules. Yeah. Like, I just want to be Jerry Rice for Halloween. We're like, dog, we're trying to explain to y'all. Did you imagine getting canceled because you decided to do Blackface to be Jerry Rice? What the guy just did? The dude who was the, some, it's always like, an assistant comtroller

in some county in Tennessee that goes, you know, I just fucking really like Lou Rawls. And I was, you know what I mean? And I was fucking paying on to him. And we're like, dog, come on, man. I just fucking think Rocket Ismail is awesome, man. So I just decided to go for broke this Halloween. Well, that ties into what's aged

the worst. That was the first thing I had. You know, it was interesting. I ran into this on Amazon. For some reason, I didn't own trading places because it's been on so much. You just don't need to own it. And they have at the beginning where it's like and for nudity, as for strong sexual content. And they had a black, black face is now made as a warning. It should. It's a dehumanizing, terrible, awful thing.

But did you notice that in the opening credits before? No, I did notice it before. But I don't know if that she anymore, because sometimes I see that they'll have smoking in there. Oh, yeah. And, like, when I was a kid, the only thing I looked out for was the SSC. Strong sexual content. That's right. Emmanuel in the desert.

Which most of the time was a good thing. Most of the time you're happy to see the SSC But then like sometimes on Oz It would be like Uh oh I don't know where this is gone You didn't want to see anything Oh no All right I'm ready

Okay The N word in this movie is used Effectively An effective kind of a hammer scene It's still jarring though Oh yeah you're talking about like at the end No the Duke When they're in the bathroom

Oh, so here's the thing. They do something in this movie that is, they do dual in words, which is they do Negro, okay, and then they do the Big Kahuna. Yeah, but even- Negro's appetizer. Yeah, but even in Negro, the charging of the word is so strong. Like the charging of the world is so strong. You understand now why you don't want to hear it.

Yeah. Like the charging of the word is so fucking strong. A Negro. But that's one of the great things about how this whole movie's constructed is this old, old, old white world. Like, that's why I like that wide shot of that room where Louis gets, you know, basically framed. And they show the portraits. And they're showing all, like, the founding fathers. Yeah.

It's like when they're doing, when they're first explaining commodities to them and they've got, like, Jefferson and Franklin over Amici and Bellamy's shoulders, it's just like, yeah. They're not putting too funny point. By the way, and that's another thing about this movie that's, like, interesting, is that it also kind of represents a generation kicking out an old generation that they didn't like the way that they did stuff. Because at the end on that island, it's a black guy, a guy who now has a felony criminal record, and a prostitute. You know what I mean?

A sex worker. And this is like, hey, this is the 80s now, and it's kind of for everyone. What's age the worst? I had the impact of Jamie Lee's nude scene. It's hard to explain 40 years later. We tried. The E.F. Hutton's silence references have just aged the worst. Nobody under 35 would even understand when it's like when they ask Billy Ray at the dinner.

And everybody leans over. And everybody leans in. It's just like an E.F. Hutton joke. So when Winthrop and Valentine arrived at the World Trade Center, Winthrop says in this building, it's either kill or be killed, which is age the worst. They've taken that out of some of the TV. stuff, it's not out of like the Amazon thing. But yeah, that's a little dark. Fuck.

And then there's some, there was some credit taking with this movie. Harris, one of the writers, said it didn't have a huge opening, but it just kept going and going and going and I had a call from an agency and he was getting calls asking if it was true that the whole film had actually been the producer on Rousseau's idea and then he just paid us to write it. Then I got another call saying, Jeffrey Katzenberg of Paramount was going around saying it had all been his idea. That's how I knew it was a hit because people were trying to steal credit for it.

So there's a lot of credits dealing with. Oh, yeah, I came up with training places. I told Eddie, it was these two guys. Kastonberg went on to, like, not be very successful. So he really needed this one. And he would say, any would say just the worst beyond that? Yeah, I'll do the salmon here.

You want to do it here? Yeah. I love Christmas. I'm a big holiday season guy. But I think that this movie traumatized me and made me not like Santa Claus. Because Dan Aykroyd is so fucking gross as Santa Claus. The grossest.

And I think that when I saw this at a very young age, obviously very excited. You couldn't eat salmon again? Well, I don't think I had salmon until, like, I was in my 30s, honestly. Yeah. But I never sat on Santa's lap. I never believed in him after this. And I always second-guess guys who dress up as Santa because of this. And that's on my fucking life.

I'm telling you the truth right now. Yeah. And this is the weirdest thing I've ever admitted on the rewatchables. But I'm amazing. 100% sincere right now if you watch this dude with the gray dirty beard putting a big hunk of salmon

in his coat and then planting quailudes on Billy and waving a gun around and then getting on a bus and passing out you're like keep me the fuck away from anybody who dresses like that I was seven you know what I mean like I couldn't handle

he tries to off himself yeah what part of that is like I don't know how I saw this movie but what part of would you be like, man, I can't wait to Santa Claus. I hope he knows

if I'm naughty or nice next year. Don't know anything about me. Right. It's the grossest possible food. The giant salmon

is a huge hunk of salmary. I think he looks better when he's dressed like Dr. Detroit in the beginning of the movie and he's being accused of having an angel dust dealer.

I think he looks better than he does when he's in Santa. You got the hair from the beard. All in the same. He got the hair for it. It pulls the salmon out on the bus and starts to just eat it.

And the people are looking at it. I remember in the theater. I don't really remember much anymore, but in the theater, that was one of those where people like audibly groaned in the theater. Is he starving? Doesn't he live with Jamie Lee Curtis?

Why does he need food? He's drunk. Yeah, he's drunk. I'm just going to take the whole sandwich. Yeah. Obviously, you know, you guys know what my age is the worst. I got to go with Blackface 4,000 there. Yeah.

We had that in there. I'm just making sure. You're doubling down. Doubling, tripling down. I'm an ally, so I would also say. blackface, but I just, I also got traumatized by Santa Claus. I get it because the salmon situation, I, I, I fast forward past it. That's so nasty to me.

Yeah. I just, I taste the, the fucking beard and the salmon. Would you give it the Ron Burgundy Flutter word for best time for a pee break? No, I would actually, I, I, the pee break for me is the train. The train. Yeah, change. And you can see the train once in your life, you're like, I get it. It's the full John Landis, like, it's bad. It's like a bad S&L sketch. Yeah.

Was there a better title for this movie? I'm going to say no. Wasn't, there was another. title, though. It was a black and white. Was the original screenplay title, I think? Trading places. Yeah, for sure. Best quote, fear.

That's the other guy's problem I wrote down. Or when I was growing up, we wanted a jacuzzi. We had to fart in the tub. That's great. I think $5. Maybe I'll go to the movies. By myself. And then fucking Mortimer being like half of it is for me.

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Carvana. Pick up fees may apply. All right, the Stephen A. Smith Hottest Take Award. Can I go first? Sure. So the whole criminal enterprise of the Dukes

is that they're going to steal the crop report. Yeah. And then Eddie and Akroyd steal the crop report. Yeah. So my hottest take is, shouldn't they also be in trouble?

Shouldn't they get arrested for insider trading? Didn't they cripple the American economy and... Oh, this. This is interesting. Artificially inflate or distort the orange juice futures market. So you think five years later they go to jail?

I think that's the Zwan Neo is that the FEC shows up the next day or the SEC or whoever shows up the next day and it's just like you guys are in trouble. After they find Beeks in Kenya in 1986. Right. Beeks is like, these guys stole my briefcase. You're telling me that the Dukes don't have some lawyers on retainer who are going to be like, look, here's what happened. We can cop a plea, but we're going to get to the bottom of the corruption here.

I mean, yeah, they are exposed But I feel like the Dukes might be Well, no, because if you can do that The government's gonna work with you If you have that type of information I didn't think about that way Good hottest take. You have one? My hottest take is a mixture of

Like a hottest take and a recasting. I don't know why this hit me last night. Yeah. Chevy Chase would have killed In the act of the worst part. In the Ahead, Chevy Chase would have killed. Those guys were on each other's corner. or a little more than I think people

Yeah, when I was watching the movie I kept seeing Chevy Chase for some reason and I'm like, well, would Chevy Chase have actually been better? But no. He kind of plays in Spies like us, like he plays more of the Eddie Murphy part, like the

looser, wilder guy to Ackroyd straight man. So I don't know how many times Chevy's played like a straight man before, but it's a good point. I would have liked to see it. my uh my stephen a smith hottest take award james hardin should be ashamed of himself he was a disaster he's gonna go to houston sign of free i'm sorry

my hottest take is actually this is near and dear to my heart as you know i don't think home alone is a christmas movie uh-huh you don't think diehard's a christmas movie either don't think it's a die it came out during the summer place at Christmas. He doesn't, what's a Christmas? Is Trading Place is a Christmas movie? I think Trading Places is the most

underrated Christmas movie. So please explain how that's the possible. And I will ride or die with Trading Places being a better Christmas movie than Home Alone and Die Harder. Wait, well, it can't be because it's the fucking same thing. It has nothing to do at Christmas. What? Trading Places has nothing to do a Christmas. He doesn't think Home Alone has anything. Santa Claus and the salmon and Rock Bottom and the holidays.

So this is my point. My point is a Christmas movie has to have Christmas as a central tenets. and theme of the movie. And I would say this is more central in this movie than it is in home alone. Die hard.

They're going on... First of all, I don't... If you want to say the home alone isn't a Christmas movie, when I say Christmas movie... My real point is all three aren't Christmas movies. But if we're going to count all of these... If it's like adjacent Christmas adjacent...

Nobody was arguing that this isn't a Christmas movie. I think if we're going to say die hard and home alone are Christmas movies, then give me trading places, then I like it more as a Christmas movie than either of them. That's my hottest take. I don't even know. if I totally believe it. It's a hottest take, but I just, God only knows what you define as a Christmas movie. You've never been able to. Give me a Christmas movie. National Lampoon's Christmas vacation. Okay, that's a Christmas. So having Christmas in the title, is that a pre-requisite? Christmas is my point.

Fucking Home Alone is about Christmas is about, it's about, it's about, it's about, it's not. It's about a little kid who fucks with these two crooks because you got left alone. It's literally, home alone too is a Christmas movie. Home Alone is literally, could have happened on the 4th of July. They could have gone on 4th of July. That's the thing. Die Hard, to happen in fucking March. It got released in July. But the spirit of Christmas is what gets him to understand the guy with the shuffle and read out. I mean, kind of. Sort of.

And almost every single bit in that movie is because it's winter. But, okay, but the reason why. Winter doesn't equate to Christmas. It could be a January movie. He couldn't have done the party because it would have been a July 4th barbecue and nobody, he wouldn't

have been able to put the mannequins outside. This is the best thing about Home Alone in terms of it being a Christmas movie. You always do this. You open the can of worms and then you sit back and you just watch us. Is that the family is going on vacation because it's Christmas. So you can make an argument. It could have been going on vacation in July.

It doesn't matter. Christmas doesn't matter. Whatever, whatever. To me, Miracle on 34th Street, Christmas vacation, movies that are about the central theme of Christmas. They literally do go on vacation in all sorts of different ways in the Christmas, in the vacation movies. It's arbitrary that it's Christmas.

It's just a vacation. Vacation. It hurts you that I'm right. But this, but in Christmas vacation, remember, the whole thing of the movie is him getting his Christmas bonus. Right. So what if it was his winter bonus or his New Year's bonus or whatever? But see, now you're making the bonuses. Christmas vacation with the Chevy Chase one?

Yeah. That's like the in-laws are coming. He's trying to get the lights. Every single moment in that movie is a Christmas. Decorating for Christmas? That's the best Christmas movie. Casting whatever. This movie was developed for Richard Pryor and Gene Wilder.

Shit. And then Richard Pryor set himself on fire while Free Basin Cocaine. Yeah. And that ended that one. And they got Eddie instead. Paramount was pushing Eddie. One of the great why he couldn't do it of all time. Because he set himself on fire.

Well, it's just like everything else is like scheduling difficulties. Like this person not to be able to do Dune Part 2. And then Eddie was like, I don't want to be in a movie with Gene Wilder if I do it because that's like Richard Pryor's guy. Yeah. So Eddie fucked over Gene Wilder a little bit Didn't fuck him over

It was just like But would that make sense I don't want to just Be in the Richard prior part It makes more sense like this Because them being a little bit Youthful and climbing the ladder Yeah

But that's why The guys of Vietnam vet In the beginning and stuff Because they thought was gonna be prior Paramount did not want Ackroyd And they just felt like he was part of a team And his movies hadn't done well

So he took a pretty major pay cut To be in the movie Landis was like I want Jamie Lee Curtis. Paramount was like, no. He's like, I'm casting Jamie Lee Curtis. So that happened. They wanted this old actor named Ray Milan for Mortimer.

And he couldn't pass the physical. And they went and found Don Amici instead. And there's this whole crazy story that you can Google. Amici, like, didn't have a phone. Yeah, they thought he was dead. He was like, Don Amici's dead. It's like, no, he's left. Ken acted in 14 years.

They hunted him down, talked him into coming out of retirement. does this, does Coon the next year wins the Oscar. All because Ray Malin didn't pass a physical. No, that's Hugh. That's right. Whatever. Wait.

Hugh Handy. Dona meets you won an Oscar for Cochoon? Yeah, a year later. Shit. All because Ray Malon passed out as missed his physical. Jesus Christ. Beeks was supposed to be G. This is my favorite casting what if of all time.

G. Gordon Liddy. The actual guy was going to play him? And then he found out that the movie ends with Beaks basically becoming a gorilla's girlfriend and said, no, thank you. I'm not doing that. Because that was beyond the pale friend.

Yeah, he's like, look, guys, he didn't want to, he, so he turned it down because of that. Fucking Watergate. That was too, yeah. The baggage handlers who became Franken and Davis were supposed to be Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas.

That's awesome. And those guys couldn't do it. You mentioned Giancarlo Esposito's in the jail cell. And then one of your favorites is The young girl who looks disgusted at Santa Claus salmon eating the salmon. Edy Falco. Yep. Hmm.

Who C.R. fell in love with in Copeland. That's right. Copland. It's just smoking sakes and looking like she's ready to have a bad relationship to somebody. The Ruffalo Hannah Ribbonic Partridge overacting word. They knew and they let it happen. Don't you call me, lady. I come in here.

I give these things to you. Give me how you got! Give me how you got! I treated you like a son! You fucking stab me in the heart! Fuck you! Tough one because this movie's so well acting and well done, but... I have Wilson in the trading pit.

That's good one. I was going to say Mortimer dials it up a tiny bit at the end. At the end. When he's just screaming. I like it, though. Turn these machines back on. I like yours is good, though. That guy does.

I don't know what's going on them. All right, best that guy award. Cop number one. of the two guys that lift Daddy up is that guy from presumed innocent and then Oz he became the bird guy in Oz it's pretty good that's good

James at cows we mentioned Mr. Walsh from 902 and O he's the guy tells Billy Ray made bail Frank Oz that guy from son of a woman who Pacino

his character when they go for Thanksgiving and he's one of like the one of the guys in that scene he is one of the guys Todd and those dudes Yep. Does Beeks count? Beeks does not count. Not really.

Because he's too, he's too well established. Philip Bosco counts. He's the doctor who comes and sees Lewis. And then that guy from Airplane and Airplane 2, the wisecracking gay guy from Airplane 2. Yeah. He's in this. Do you think Bill Cobb is to, it's Bill Cobb? Yeah, it's Bill Cobb. So Bill Cobb is not a vet.

So Bill Cobb counts. He's like Bill Duke. Who do you have? I have Philip Bosco. Okay. I had Beaks, but I get it why. I get why. He's, you know.

comes back in. I have cop number one. I still don't know what that guy's name is. Dionne Waiter is a word. I'll give you Penelope, quote, Muffy Witherspoon. I'll give you Jim Blushy. I'll give you,

Franken, too. Franken and Davis, and I'll give you the, yeah. Come on, there's one more. Who? Bo Didley, as the-burner my fingers.

In Philadelphia, it's worth $50. Burn my fingers. That's you want to give it to? I'd like to give it to Bo Didley, yeah. Okay. Not Jim Belushi? Yeah, I'm good.

No disrespect to Jim Volusian. I go with Franken. Okay. Recasting couch? Would you do anything differently? The only thing was the Chevy thing. Okay. Half a cinerant research.

We did the Amici thing. So the sailboat they're sailing is still in the Caribbean today. It's called the Tandamere. It's a 56-foot boat. What island was it? It's Virgin Islands. Hmm. What are time for buddy movies to go to the Caribbean with this and Running Scared?

Oh, yeah. I guess they go to Keyes. You want I'm running scared, rewatchables? Love running scared. Michael McDonald. Murphy really liked the script. Asked if he could change a couple of his lines

because he thought there was some stereotypical stuff in there. One of the things he put in was the cools line. Who put their cools out of my Persian rug? And the studio wanted them to take it out because they thought it was racist. And then Eddie and Landis fought to keep it in. And it became an iconic line. What was it?

Why racist? This is paramount. Paramount's like, that's racist, but the blackfeiss makes things, yeah. Keep that. The barbershop quartet song is an American Civil War song called Orelia. They look like some Confederates.

The number given to Dan Aykroyd in his mugshot was the same exact number given to Jake Blues and the Blues brothers. Oh, that's a cool suit. A little homage. Cool shoot. they used a bunch of actual traders in the scenes. Oh, you probably saw this one too.

Landis remembered Amici, Bellamy, and Murphy were talking about how many movies they made. Bellamy said Trading Places was his 99th film. Amici said it was his 100th film. And Murphy said, between the three of us, we've made 201 films. I remember Eddie Murphy talking about like, I remember watching the making of.

You know, the making of thing is not a thing anymore, but I used to watch the making of everything. Yeah. Murphy was being interviewed, he was like, you're listening to these guys talk about the movies that they've done. One of them goes, well, when I was on Frankenstein, and he's like, yo, what am I doing right now? You know what I mean?

They had made so many films before. Amazing. So they made an Eddie Murphy rule, the Commodities Future Trading Commission in 2010, basically to prevent insider trading on the commodities markets. And they've called it the Eddie Murphy rule, a little like the Allen Houston rule that they had for the for the amnesty. Remember they named

the Amnesty the Amniz to rule after Allen Houston? The money clip thing when he fumbles the money

clip, that actually really happened. Don Amici had strong religious convictions and did not want to say

fuck him. So he said he would only do it once and he would not do it a second time. Did you know the restaurant

in the Weston hotel in Philadelphia was named Winthrop and Valentine? Okay. Oh, that's awesome. This movie gets shown every year in

Italy on Christmas Eve and it's the most watched show on prime time every year it's the Italians love trading places Apex Mountain Tough Did we, Eddie, we said Beverly, Beverly's cop, right?

Yeah, and that culminates, that's the sort of peak of this run that he goes on. I'd argue that coming to America could be Eddie's Apex Mountain too. It's a cop. He's the biggest star in the world after coming to America I get it but fucking gigantic that's like Curry's fourth title and not his

damn Craig um sorry Craig remember where Curry won titles yeah uh okay cool yeah but it's definitely yeah it's definitely not this one John Landis he's feeling so cocky because he's Eastern Conference finals I probably should throw shots like John Landis you know what that's that's a good shout I think that's probably right

I mean he was kind of going through a trial at this point maybe when he was filming this movie, this might have been as Apex Mountain. Dan Aykroyd, you think, we all think of Ghostbusters. I think it's Ghostbusters. How about Hogi City, Chris? Definitely. There's so many Philadelphia's spots.

I mean, like, I think we should stick to the Philly. 83 is Philadelphia's Apex Mountain other than the signing period. Have you been to Hogi City? I have not. Would any city have a place called Hogi City other than Philadelphia? Probably not. I've never had a hoagie. Like, what would really be considered?

But like, it's got to be some kind of difference if it's a Hogi, right? It's the bread, but it's South Philadelphia bread. South Philadelphia bread makes it a hoagy. I don't want it. The Philly... You know what's happened with the Philly food stuff, right? No. It's just, you know, they're like cheese steaks.

It's like fucking... What are you talking about? Do you want to come over this fucking table right now? So just let you guys know, Land is directed coming to America. Philadelphia is one of the best eating cities in this country right now. Are you sure that coming to America is not John Landis' Apex Mountain? Are you sure, bro?

It's hard for me to give it to him because he did have a murder trial before that. I want to go pre-murter trial for him for Apexma. It's quite simply the biggest movie he's ever directed, right? You don't think Animal House might be as Apex? Does it change movies in some ways? Well, it's the question of when did he have the most juice? Is what you feel like for Apex? Not just the biggest you have the biggest.

Yeah, it's like when could he have done any project he wanted? It's probably after Blues Brothers, honestly. Because Blues Brothers did well. Who knows? Amici and Bellamy know. How about Philly movies? Is it Rocky 3? No, I mean, this is my favorite Philadelphia movie by far.

You can make a case. This is the Apex Mountain for Philly movies. This is like... 801 is blowout, right? Yeah, but this was so successful. But I'm saying that early 80s in Philly is like... a real real love. It even has the four-minute

Philly montage. Yeah. I don't know. Philly's just so... This is my favorite one off here. This is a Philly, Philly. It almost has to be Philly. Yeah.

About Creed. For Creed now. I love Creed. Creed's good. 12 monkeys. It's good. Oh, that's what 12 monkeys is in Philly. How about eating salmon in a Santa Claus suit?

Apex Mountain. Pass. Paul Gleason Breakfast Club? Yeah. Commodities? Yes. Oh, no. Yeah.

Absolutely. Did you ever think about frozen orange juice? Did you know what they were? concentrate before or after. I had no idea you could trade frozen orange juice. I thought the whole point was that it was frozen. The other thing is there was no internet

when this movie came out. So you're just in the theater like, okay. All right, I got that money now. Cool. Thanks, guys. Okay.

If you got to say so. The other thing about the scene is it's so chaotic of how they're doing the deals where they're just like grabbing pieces of paper. And it's like it doesn't seem like it's a very official process.

They're doing a hey, one, one tooth I name they're doing the whole selling thing. Best racehorse name. Billy Ray Valentine is just a great name. I don't know if that's a racehorse name, but it's...

It's good. It's Billy Ray Valentine is one of the better. Constance's Waddle Lake is for Philly. That's awesome. Picky Knits. Oh, I can't wait for this. I have some good ones for you guys. How rich was Winthrop to have such a great butler?

Because they replace them and it's like you're making 80,000 a year. The other works for the Duke's. Yeah, that's why the Butler can tell them what to do. The Duke's own that. a house and they essentially have the Butler too. So all of that stuff is coming with his employment. So if I'm Winthorpe, I'm probably worth more than 80K a year. You give me a house and a

but he's the MD of that firm but it's like everything he does is paid for by the firm so they can take it away. It's like he's basically being like on a fucking 10 day minimum. Yeah, it's not making that much money but at the same time you get to fly around and get all this stuff for free. Why did the Dukes live together? They're brothers. I mean, they're brothers.

They have a big family house. Neither have them got married. They don't have any. Neither of them are married, have kids. They're just like, hey, what are they? Like, fucking stepbrothers? They're too chief. They're too chief.

They're too chief. They're, they're bros, bro. They have the love of brothers. Mom, I need my meat, love. I'm guessing they're both widows. I don't know. I didn't get the implication. I thought that they were just like old spinster dudes.

They're married to the game. Yeah. Arsenic and old lace, but their men. You know what I mean? Two single old rich guys who live together? That's not weird. What are you trying to say? I'm asking you why didn't they have, why did they live together?

They're both rich. Why don't they have their own houses? Yeah, but what's the point of living together? For, their fucking roommates? They're, they're best friends. They sleep in the same room? What happened? By the way, do we know that they live together?

Yeah. Because they get picked up. They have the whole scene when they get picked up. Yeah. They're getting dressed. They're wearing matching outfits. It's good for the movie. Are we sure the Dukes are brothers?

Do you go, okay. Bill. It's weird. Are you applying that Rangelff and Mortimer are lovers? Well, first of all, if they were lovers, it wouldn't be weird. Prove to me they weren't. No, I'm saying it's, they're two rich billionaire brothers that live in a house together, have no family, no spouses. They couldn't cover a $400 million short.

They're definitely not billionaires. All right, they're multi-millionaires. Here's the thing. They have drivers. They had eight people. If they're in a relationship, not weird. if they are brothers who also fuck weird.

So, so just... Well, we think they're brothers because they're both named Duke. Or... They're definitely brothers. What are you talking about? No, that's what I mean. So why do they live together?

I think that they live together. Don't they live in like a really nice place like where it's like lots of rooms? It's not like they're like, oh, is it your turn for the bathroom? They have their own wings. And plus, this is probably like the Duke family compound.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? They're like, fucking generations of dukes have lived on. All right. Do you guys know any other 78-year-old brothers who have a ton of money

and live together? I think a lot of things from this movie don't occur anymore, yeah. Salmon in the Santa Claus suit. How hungry do you have to be? I guess we covered that. I wrote that one down.

Like, you really have to be drunk and starving. Why did Coleman switch sides from the Dukes to Billy Ray and Louis so quickly? Do you think he just hated the Dukes? I think that they saw him as a person is what we're talking about. They included him. So he felt included.

Yeah. connected. Okay. All right. Would the local news really cover Clarence Beeks delivering the crops report? That's a really, that's a great point. That's on Channel 4 at 705 p.m. It's like, oh, there's Beaks with the Crops Report. What channel?

There's nothing better. It's like a shooting that day. Yeah, right. How do they actually fake the Crops reports? I mean, that's a, that's, they don't really show it. You just like, you have to believe it. Big briefcase with tons of papers like you have to have. after then...

Isn't it really like... The Dukes are like, give me... Distill this down. Is the crop... Good of freezer? Is it going to be okay? If I'm throwing Beaks a suitcase of money

and he's giving me the crop support... You know why I get a little eye-dye-dye. You have to see you... I don't want to be in a dark garage where I have no idea if it's actually beaks. If I'm a rich, successful guy... Who's in love... Who lives with my brother?

He has sex with your brother. It's an in... It sleeps with your brother. Never once in my entire time of watching this movie have our own thoughts. Never occurred to me. It's a movie convention. It's easier to have them leave the same house than it is to go.

First, we go to Mortar's house. Maybe one of the movies where two rich guys live together. And I'm going to think of a whole fucking list and text them over to you. I'm just going to ask just to see how Google is doing. We're two rich brothers. Live together. It's Step Brothers in this movie. It's Step Brothers was a comedy that was supposed to be ridiculous.

This movie is supposed to be accurate. Any other... Night at the Roxbury? Oh, that's a good one. The Rocksparry. There's another one. That proves my point. Any other pick of nits for you?

I got one. Yeah. Especially in the post-COVID world. He's sick. And she gets into bed with him as he's coughing and hacky. She turns down her date. That's how we used to get down. No mask.

So you had a little COVID flashback? A little COVID flashback. She takes off her once again. Yeah. And then she gets into them like, I'm like, you're going to fucking get sick now. And now you're going to be all. But you have to understand that on the East Coast, from October until April.

Everybody is sick all the time. So then you guys just fucking get together and crammed together and smoke cigarettes and coughed on each other and we just lived through it and it made us stronger. You preemptively try to get the bronchitis to get it over with. They built Bill Simmons. Yeah.

On the East Coast. We're right here. We're still kicking it. Sequel prequel prestige TV all black cast are untouchable. It's got to be untouchable. If they ever remake this movie I'd want to like a fucking Spring Hill, it's like hey, we're remaking a trading place. Shout out to Jamal and all my people.

I mean, they are guilty of remake of the shit. Just like, so just like out of nowhere, just a shot. Boom, boom, spring. What, how many things that they remade in the last two years? Is that white men can't jump theirs? Yeah, it did. Probably. Okay.

Shout out of it. House party. Here's the thing. No, this is one that they can't touch. I guarantee you, I tell you something, though. I'm not sure that somebody won't try to remake this, though. They can fucking die in a fire. Don't touch this movie.

Is this movie better with Wayne Jenkins, Danny Treo, Catherine Hodge, Steve Bouchemy, Sam Jackson, J.T. Walsh. Or Philip Bakerhall. I was thinking about what happened if Wayne Jenkins was there when Ophelia was talking about her T-bills. God damn, Ophelia! I didn't know I was fucking Charles Schwab. 42,000 and T-bills? They had some great planning for the future girl.

Rahim Muhammad and Larry told me you were careful with your money. Rahim Muhammad and Larry? Rahim, Muhammad Larry. I was thinking about him on the island at the end too. Yeah. As the butler. God damn crab and lobster. I got all these crabs for the party.

Just one Oscar who gets it. Eddie. Yeah, it's got to be Eddie. It's actually kind of, I didn't look this up. Could it be the script? I just think that if. If you say 10% is Eddie

basically redoing his lines then you can't give it to the script question Contrary and down Best supporting actor for Eddie I think he's the lead I know they split it 50-50 pretty much because it's basically

Louis is the second half We're trying to get him the Oscar is my point So here's the best supporting actor that year Jack Nicholson terms of endearment Charles Durning to be or not to be Get him out John Lethgow terms of endearment Sam Shepard the Red stuff

and ripped torn and Cross Creek. Eddie could have fucking Rickinson one. Nicholson one, right? Nicholas I won. Sam Shepard's dope and the right stuff. He's pretty good.

I love that movie, bro. Got a blackjack gum. Probably in answer to questions. Best Eddie in jail scene is it this movie or 48 hours? I think it's this, but it's the two greatest jail scenes in cinema history.

48 hours is more iconic, but this one is better. 40 hours is a greater character introduction. Is it? Is Jamie Lee the most realistic and lovable hooker with a heart of gold character we've ever had? No. One of the all-time movie tropes. Would you go with Julia Roberts?

Julie Roberts. Julie Roberts. Yeah, for sure. She owns that. Ophelia had, like, saved Louis's life. What did Julie Roberts do? She just... She emotionally saved Richard Gilles life.

He's fucking rich. Show her how to love again? Yeah. Jamie Lee, like, nurse Louis back to health. saved his life and career. Did Coleman invent smoothies? That's a good question. Can't remember ever seen a smoothie before this movie.

We should see if Airwam will start a A smoothie called the Coleman. Yeah. For like $35. It's just like salmon, scotch, and crepes blend it up. Can we get into just Beeks' fate? On the boat to Africa? How long is that trip?

In the same way that it was like, you guys don't understand in the 80s, like stuff like the Jamie Lee courtesy and would just happen. Shit like the Beeks, like that plot of just being like, and then he gets sexually abused

by a gorilla who takes him to Africa with him. So what do we think? Because I always wonder, what do we think is actually happening? Why is the gorilla at 30th Street Station in Philadelphia in the first place? Is the gorilla actually just being like having like legitimate sex with him?

Is he actually fucking beaks? Is he pawing beaks around? Don't look appalled. You just brought up Randolph and Mortimer boning away. I'm asking what do we think is actually happening to Beaks? Is Beaks? What is he being forced to do? I think he becomes it's like teddy bear.

But there's no penetration. I don't know. I just don't know. He's got to break through the costume. He's got to get through the costume. But then he ends up in Allen. It's like Connor on succession. We can't know.

At some point does anybody realize like, wait, I was looking at that gorilla. It seems like it's a mask with a white guy underneath it. Nobody at any point. They know that it's a white guy under there, so they let it fly. They have all of these pent up frustrations. Beeks is done, bro. Is Beeks alive in a year? No, bro.

It would be a great, like, John Wick's sequel is Beeks returning to America and having his revenge. I got a better sequel, or at least one that I like. Beeks falls in love back with the gorilla. Oh, yeah. And it's like Jane Goodall. Right. And Beeks ends up living with the gorilla and then... he can only have love in his life.

Yeah. And romantic. It's Beeks. The Gorilla Man Beeks is the movie. We went some different places in this podcast. I thought we were going to go. Beeks is just peeing and shitting on himself in the costume for a month. Yeah.

Like at some point nobody's going to notice this. I think the Franken and Davis level of animal care going on. Fair. As the exotic disease as well. Here's my favorite probably in answerable question. Did Ophelia throw a little courtesy, courtesy fuck at Coleman when they get the same? stiff drink. Like, they're alone the whole day, right?

She seemed like they had a little chemistry. Just a little something? Little extra? No? She's in love at this point, Bill. You think she's in love with Louis? She kissed them once. Yeah, but there was, it was, at the time that she, by the time she got in the bed naked with him, it was already. You didn't think Coleman? Coleman got it?

No. Got it on? Like, no, I think. A little frisky to him? What's going on with you today? Best double feature choice of this movie? 48 hours is the easy. I have a Sullivan's Travels, which is a Preston's Surgis' screwball comedy from the 40s where a film director who wants to stop making comedies,

he dresses up like a homeless man and tours the country as a hobo. I got a really bad one. Silver streak. Oh, that's a good one. I like Silver Street. I like this one with Silver Street. That's good. You guys really no-sold my Preston-Sturgis suggestion.

I have no idea what that is. Yeah, I didn't know what that was a show of fantasy moment. That's it. Yeah, you need a fantasy. That was, you and Sean could probably have that conversation. I would have loved it. For like a long time. I've been like, I just got that on the criterion collection.

Indian Red Soanayor, what happened the next day? We saw it. Yeah. I guess it's more a question. What do they do next next? Like what happens when their money starts their own firm? Huh? You think they get, everybody's just like, oh yeah, yeah, these guys who miraculously

predicted the orange juice market. Yeah. Yeah, what happened the next day is they get arrested. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And then affiliate. had something happen with her and Coleman.

Louis just goes through the whole thing. He was like, oh my God. Yeah, he just puts the Santa suit back on. Salmon Santa's back. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? Definitely not the Santa suit for Chris. I have a Winthrop's watch.

That's mine. Oh, that's a good one. It tells time simultaneously a Monte Carlo, Beverly Hills, London, Paris, Rome, and Stod. Like, that's mine. That's a great one. The seven, so he makes 80 grand a year.

Yeah. He makes $80 grand a year. He has a $7,000 watch. That's some real NBA rookie spending right there. Like he makes $80 grand a year. He has a $7,000 watch. So that that's what I would take. I was thinking the Duke's $1 bill would be good.

The original $1 bill that they did each other. Or the one that Lewis and Billy Ray, one of those $1 bills. game used $1 bill from the movie. The coach Finstock Award for Best Life lesson. I don't know, don't be a racist asshole. Probably. That's a good one. Yeah. And who won the movie, Eddie Murphy?

Eddie Murphy won the movie. Do you think you'll ever try, like, we talked about this a little bit, but do you think when you want to get rid of me, you're going to go full beaks? You're going to have me framed. Dude, like, put your hand in the pocket of the person to your right. Yeah. I'll be so funny if there was a ringer

meeting out there in the front. And we're all like put your hand in a person to the right and then like Chris is fucking frame I got PCP in my pocket like fucking angel dust PCP it's not heroin yeah angel that's PCP it wasn't heroin was angel dust PCP all right Craig this movie came out uh nine years before you were born what did you think 11 years for 11 years um I've seen it a few times I like trading places a lot I think it's a really good movie but I have trouble placing it in terms of like I don't know I with older comedies like do I think this is a funny your movie than stepbrothers? To me, no.

But do I think it's a better movie than stepbrothers? Probably. Because it's actually about something. Yeah. And you're also factoring in like when it came out, what it meant to the culture at the time. So I don't know. I felt like a lot of these older movies, you know, your breakfast clubs, you know, parenthood, trading places. Like they were all about something. And they're like messages. And then comedies now that I love. They're just like, let's do bits. Yeah. Like Anchorman, I think, is way funnier than this movie. But is it a better movie? I don't know. I don't know how to answer that anymore.

You know what? That's actually, I was really, I was actually fucking pissed because you always kick me in my balls with my childhood at the end. It's always crazy. Like, it was good. It's okay. Fuck it. You know, but that's actually a really good point. Because if you just talk, if you just talk about laughs, then there are movies that just, Anchorman is definitely funnier than this, but it's, yeah, does it compare it in a quality movie? Craig, once again, it would have been, like, it would have been like,

Anker Man would have been like if you just let Eddie Cook for two hours and 20 minutes in this movie. Yeah. It would have been five more bits. of him. Yeah. Yeah. Just kind of like little... Instead, they're like, no, this is like a tight two-hour movie with an actual story.

If only Jordan Poole would have been that efficient in round two. I'm actually okay with that take. Get Jordan Pull out of here. This podcast was produced by Craig Horlebeck. CR, Van. Pleasure as always. And we'll see in the rewatchables. Next week, it's a movie with a little musical theme.

Yeah. So stay tuned.