The Rewatchables - ‘Twister’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan

Episode Date: July 9, 2024

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Van Lathan take shelter from an F5 tornado to rewatch ‘Twister,’ starring Bill Paxton, Helen Hunt, and Phillip Seymour Hoffman. Producer: Craig Horlbeck Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Having so much predictable backlash season three. We're into Twister. Yeah. This is a great movie. Let's play the trailer. Nothing else in nature can match its law power. Get out of there!

Its brute force, its howling intensity, its uncontrollable fury on May 10th. It's coming! The producers of Jurassic Park and the director of speed bring you face to face with Twister.

Let it PG-13 starts Friday, May 10th. All right, Twister. A movie that I saw in the theater didn't like that much. Didn't really like for a while that much. And then, regrettingly later in my life, really enjoyed it for what it is. I don't know why I took 25 years. Can you walk us back and tell us a little bit about 1996 Bill being like, eh? I saw every movie.

Yeah, and you didn't like Twister? I felt like it was foreshadowing this era that I knew was coming. And it made me mad. And I did not want to like. where we were heading with summer blockbusters with special effects, even though the special effects in this turned out to be really cool. It just felt like something was shifting, and I didn't like where we were going.

And I think I held this movie unfairly. I watched it twice in the last week. I actually like it more than I've ever liked it in my life. And one of the reasons, Van, special effects old school, even though there's some CGI stuff, but it really feels like the actors are in actual danger, which is a sensation I don't get as much anymore. when I watch these movies.

Yeah. Because everything is so carefully done now. You think about a tornado and the chaotic nature of it. Obviously, it's about the wind and all of that. But it's also about everything else that the tornado throws at you. So you have to believe that at any point, like, something's going to impale you or fall in it. Boom, boom, boom. And that, the movie, the intimacy of like that, the movie gets that right, like, very easily it gets that right.

It's funny that you should say that you felt like this was a harbinger of things to come, because I look back on it as like the way things used to be. Right. And especially the cast are just normal people. Like it's just like ordinary people, extraordinary situations, but like you just look at like Hoffman and all the guys in Helen Hunt's crew and the way Paxton is dressed and the way people look and what they're concerned about. And it's just like it's just not superhero shit.

It's just like normal person stuff with a couple of scientists. And it's like really, really refreshing to watch a blockbuster about people who look like and are like that. This is my number one. And this is, I know that you guys here at the ringer have bought like a lot of Glenn Pyle stock. You love Glenn Pyle. Yeah, you guys love. We say Twisters is coming. Twisters is coming, right?

Twisters, this movie and Twister, the old movie, it shows you the difference in things. I watch movies all the time. Did you see Twisters? No, but I'm looking at the trailer. Okay. caught that, thank you. I watch movies all the time, and the first thing I go when I see the movie

is that these motherfuckers look too good. Just all the time. Like all the time. When you, Bill Paxson, every man, Helen Hunt, pretty, but you could see her doing this job. Attainably pretty. Attainably pretty. All it is.

And you see it now, and now this same film is a movie star vehicle for the sexiest, hottest guy in Hollywood right now. And it just wasn't that in 1996. That wasn't what I was. I thought your number one take was going to be. What was my number one take? Is this a superhero movie

that's not actually a superhero movie? It's all the same beats, right? It's just, in this case, the evil force is the tornadoes. And they're the people fighting the evil force, but they're normal people. But it's basically the same DNA as some superhero movies. I think it's more aesthetically closer to like Jurassic Park. You know what I mean?

I think it emphasizes intelligence. over physical strength. And it aesthetically, and the Steven Spielberg executive produced it, Amblin is one of the production companies on it, has a kind of like, Stephen Spielberg, like, oh my God, my eyes are wide with wonder and fear, but wonder at like the thing that's occurring in front of me rather than I can go in and fix this.

I mean, a lot of the situations that... But they are trying to fix it, though. They're trying to be able to detect it early. You can't stop... I've a lot of thoughts on that. I know. The premise of this movie. I have even a third take.

Yeah. Off of that take. That this movie is more erotic than I thought it was back in the day. I like your description when you texted us. What? That this movie is essentially about tornadoes, giving people to fuck? Yeah. Yeah, that's kind of what it is, right?

That should have been on the poster. Like, you, you... These people are going to fuck for the disease because of these storms. Here comes five tornadoes. But the reality is that... It's kind of all about passion and, like, disturbance, right? You have two people that, and Jamie Gertz's character sort of, she's representative of... Dr. Melissa Reeves?

Dr. Melissa Reeves. Reproductive therapists. Of love and attachment with no passion. These people are in a life and death situation. Yeah. They're doing it. They're danderers up. They're super, super into this.

And it's what connects them. All of the other stuff in their life that they talk about, the fact that they're that they couldn't get on the same page and this and that is what pulled them apart. What pushes them apart is something primals, it's like an actual force of nature. And throughout the course of the movie... A good tornado fuck.

Yeah, that's what puts them together. They're constantly wet, their clothes are being born around. They always got to be on each other. Yeah. The movie is really, really... Yeah, he leaves her hair out of the way to put the microphone around.

A tornado foreplay. Yeah, the whole thing. Could have been a better title than Twister. I wrote down 1919. was the year, going back to my initial point, when we finally figured out the summer blockbuster thing for better and worse. For better and for worse. But you go back to 94.

There's nothing in the first two weeks of May. True Lies comes out July 15th. The mask comes out July 29th. Clean and present danger comes out August 7th. They haven't figured out the calendar at all. 95, May 12th, Crimson Tide. Die hard. Braveheart.

Congo comes out. Batman Forever, Apollo 13th, all before July 4th. And I think that was the year Hollywood was like... As soon as kids go out of school, let's slam that. Mid-May to June up to July 4th, let's fucking go. So then you look at 96, May 10th, Twister. May 21st, Mission Impossible. June 7th, the Rock.

June 21st, Eraser. July 2nd, Independence Day. And that's it. That becomes the calendar. And there's other great movies in there that made money like the cable guys. strip T's the time to kill. But they just looked at that. It's like six, seven weeks, and that's where the machine went.

Mm-hmm. And that's where we've been ever since. Bill, the cable guy was a notorious failure. A cable guy made $104 million. Did it? Yeah. Every movie I listed made $100. I mean, Twister made $4.95.

Think about this. I saw every single one of those movies in theaters. Yeah. Every, I was, I don't know where I was getting the money from. I was getting my dash out of that. But every single one of those movies I was. in the theater for seeing those movies. And they wanted people coming back every Friday, Saturday, or Sunday for whatever the new one was.

You would also go see because you'd have to wait forever for things to come on to the VHS or DVD market or whatever. You would go see a movie three times in a summer. And movies would be there for a much longer time. Yeah. I'm old enough to remember that flipping and being like, wow, they're putting this out second Friday in May? It just wasn't a thing that they used to do.

And then they started doing it. This also hits a lot of the checkpoints where I was talk about. DVD. It's the first DVD ever in 1997. It hits HBO. It hits eventually the pay-per-view, Blu-ray, T&T. I treated it this time around, like basically tried to recreate the circumstances of an old-school rewatchable where I just basically had Twister on for three days. Yeah. And so when I would be like taking a break from work or my wife and I would be back from the, like whatever we were doing for July 4th weekend, I would just turn on Twister wherever it was where I stopped it when I left the house.

Great way to watch this movie. Because every 15 minutes there's a storm. And it's actually like, I mean, we can get into this, but like, how bad do you just want to be hanging out in the fictional Oklahoma that this movie presents of like drive-through theaters and Aunt Meg's house and steak and eggs and drinking coffee at midnight because you're so wired from everything else? And it's a really fun movie to hang out in. Also, you just want.

to care about something as much as they care about storms. Oh, my God. They're so into storms. That's why I drop in that lady in there. That's how Chris feels about Summer League. Sorry, I feel about Bronny's knee tenderness. He's out. He's not playing.

Low management. Fuck. God damn it, Joe. You're saying you're watching Twister basically for three straight days. Don't do that when we do Apaco. this summer. Don't just have a five straight years.

Four straight days. Another thing about this movie, and I think this was kind of held against it because we had so much movie intelligence before movies came out

by the time we got to the mid-90s because of all the magazines. But it was basically one of those movies that they created from a clip. It was a proof of concept

clip from industrial light and magic that special effects that we talked about where they were like, here's a pickup truck being driving toward a tornado

and then a tractor, the tire comes off and hits the truck. And they were able to do all of that. And they were like, we want to make a movie that's kind of like this. And the studio's like, that sounds great. And then a lot of great people ended up behind it. But it felt like this kind of Frankenstein-ish Hollywood action movie where they're like just pieces of stuff. Let's figure out the story as we go.

And ironically, became a beloved movie. Yeah. I mean, it's having a huge renaissance this summer I think Twisters is going to crush. Don't you? Yeah. And Twister is on, I think it's on the Max app, but it's just, it just feels very omnipresent right now. So I think we picked the perfect week to do it.

There are two things that happened over the last five days that I don't, I was like not prepared for was K-Hive coming back and Twister coming back on Twitter. Like everybody is just like, God damn, look at these people having such an incredible time. Like, it was just like, you really blanked me on K-Hive. I don't know what that is. Kamala? Oh, wow. Hey, hive.

Don't you remember that? I mean, I'll remember it. But, you know. Hey, I love the vice president. That's great. Anyway. I'm turning into Biden. I'm do-gooder.

Medicare. You turn into Biden every time Malik Munk's name comes up. Medicare. Bill Paxton. Our best choice. I knew Bill Paxton initially is Chet in Weird Science. Yeah.

He became a classic. I like that guy for years. Just makes a movie better. I like that guy. Absolutely. He's in one false move. He's in trespass. Trestpass.

Where do you guys stand on trespass? Love trusspass. Interesting. Interesting movie. Not on. I think that might be a fan from the cable networks. Can you walk? Can you fucking bar?

Trestpass is off. We couldn't find pump up the voice. volume and we brought that back. Should we bring trespass back? A tubus is a tubi. A tube, it's probably in the deep recesses of a tubi somewhere. You have to really search for it. Press secret buttons.

You know the funny thing about trespass is, when you think about it, it's kind of a high concept movie for the era. Kind of. Yeah. A treasure hunt that happens in the projects. The treasure is there and then everybody trying to get to it. It's like, trespass is good. Also, pretty early in the rapper to actor crossover.

For Ice Cube? For Ice T. Ice T. What year the trespass come out? I thought it was 91 or 92. It was in high school for me, so it was somewhere in that. But I see it had already done New Jack City. Yeah, it was right there, that first era.

That first era. Would you respect me if I left the ringer to start the trespass vertical at 2B? Just programmed the trespass channel. They have a cinema speculation vertical that feels like a wink-wink to Tarantino, but not his participation. You notice that? I had not know that. They have a category.

Is it like the movies from the book? Yeah, it's a lot of movies from the book. Like rolling thunder and stuff? And like coffee. Oh. That's where I found coffee. Yeah. Man knows.

He's an Indian summer, Bill Paxton. Which was the big chill for that generation. Didn't work, but I still kind of like it. He skipped aliens. No, that's 80s. I'm talking 90s where we think, like, it's going to happen now with this guy. True lies.

It's like, oh, important role, but not the lead. Tombstone, important role, not the lead. Apollo 13, important role, not the lead. But crucial. And then Twister, he finally gets the lead. Yeah. And it's like, oh, cool, Bill Paxton, you do this. And then he makes a $500 million movie.

Yeah. And then that all culminates in Titanic. Tell us more about the necklace. How big was it, Grandma? Like, what are the worst roles that he actually makes likable? It's fine. It is. But once again, it was such a tragedy when we lost him because, like, if I saw him in a movie,

he was one of those guys even if I hadn't seen the movie if I saw him Papa Ngui I would give the movie a shot I would give the movie a shot Chris gave Big Glove a shot for like six years Hey

I thought that was gonna be his Tony Soprano moment It was a little Maybe it was just like The subject matter It was a little Not the right time But just never totally landed the plane

Big Love But it was always interesting Yeah He was good and it It was also a time when you were just like Watch TV shows And you just be like I don't know if I love this

But I'm intrigued You know and I'm gonna watch it So because I'm and treat I'll watch it for six years. So I have a theory in this, but why does he not become an A-plus lister, Chris Ryan? I think he's a character actor, and I think sometimes it's hard to make that change over.

I mean, like, really only towards, and another tragedy of this movie is Philip Seymour Hoffman, this is a fantastic performance by him, but Paxton, probably a little bit more of a traditional action genre, cowboy kind of guy, and

just never kind of got that role to make the transition over into like whatever more prestigious stuff. Yeah. I mean, look. I think it's the same thing for why isn't Sam Neal a big deal. It's because people will think of Twister, they think of the storms, not they'll pass in it. That's the thing. So the

star of this movie are the tornadoes. The star of Jurassic Park. The dinosaurs. So the reality is that like, yeah, that's a movie. You can say that you let it and it made a lot of money, but really people came for the spectacle. So you're saying he's a system quarterback.

It's Brock Purdy. And for this movie. They don't need Joe Burrow for this. But it's like, we're good with Brock Purdy. It's more like Gardner Minchu where you're like, God damn, this is awesome for like when it's happening. Yeah. And then if you watch, you know what I mean? I don't know what the come down.

I think he might be Brock Purdy. And I think that makes Debo and Brandon Ayuk the tornadoes in McCaffrey. McCaffrey's the tornado. You're just going to be silent over there. Helen Hunt is George Kittle. Craig's time. I like the Purdy Comp. I don't want to give him Minchu.

I'm not sure to disrespect him. It's more like, I'm trying to think of like a gunslinger quarterback who gets a shot and you're like, shit, this could work. For a little while, Jeff George? Yeah. And then you're like, oh, maybe this is why you don't have the gunslinger have the whole movie.

Right. Is he Gino? Gino? I don't know. I felt like Paxton. I thought he had a good career, but but can't tell you something else about his career? He's also, let's get, he's also in a crowded field. Well, so that's what I had for you.

Yeah, he's also literally right here. White guy glut. Yeah. He's also in a crowd of field. I'm gonna read you all the names. There's A, B, and C list guys who can be movies. So we have the Affleck, Damon, Leo Wahlberg

group, all the young... Those are new guys. At this time, yeah. His direct competition, Ed Norton, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, McConaughey. He loses his time to kill two McConaughey. But he's like, he's in that mix. Those guys, McConaughey is like really

just popping right now. But he was, he started late though. Yeah, I know. He was like one of those. I'm saying, but if we're talking about in career situation, I will put McConaughey more with the Ben Afflex and the Madness. Well, I'm going to give you, so Travolta Cage, Costner, Bruce Willis, Keanu, they're the established older guys. Hank's Cruz, Ford Gibson, that's the top. Sean Penn, Tim Robbins, Kevin Spacey, Alk Baldwin, Richard Gear.

They're like in those. Okay. Probably maybe a couple years older than Bill Paxton. Yeah. Jim Carrey, Sandler, Meyer, Stiller. And then he's in that kind of Kevin Bacon, Bill Pullman. Kiefer Sutherland.

Kiefer Sutherland, like can he be the lead of a thing or is he just going to keep losing out to these bigger guys? But I think he could have been I think he had been in a bunch of Pekonehay movies. I think he could have been the lead guy and out of sight instead of Clooney.

And out of sight? Yeah, with J-Lo. No way. He could have been... I think he could have. I don't know if it would have been as good as Clooney but I think he could have. Hold on. Here's the thing about that. I think out of sight is a perfect, that's a, that's a perfect example of the movie that he couldn't do.

Because when you're talking about, but how do we know? This is what I would say about out of sight. When you're talking about out of sight, you're talking about a guy who you have to put into the trunk with Jennifer Lopez, who at that time... And she's like, you look like Robert Redford.

Yeah. Like, you have to have a movie star charm and a magnetism in that role that he doesn't have. Like, he could probably play. the role, he could handle the low dramatically and even charitimately. But when you look at George,

when you look at George Clooney in that situation, you go, I see why an ATF agent or whatever. Yeah, you see why she does. She takes no chance. The thing is that there's nothing wrong with being the third guy in the cockpit with Tom Hanks.

Like, he's a floor-raising, supporting actor who did a lot of good work over his career. Do we think this is a leading man performance in Twister of that? Yeah. It is. Yeah.

But if it It's a leading I don't know But in every man Maybe he's like a tweener He was like He could have led a movie like this But he was really probably better

Out being the overqualified Third guy in the copy In Apollo 13 Thanks Which makes him Kevin Bacon He's also the kind of guy To me as well Like if you compare it to like a Brian Cranston

He's also the kind of guy to me That catches a role That's made for him Late in his career Yeah he needed like He could have been like a bad guy On Ozark or something like that where it was like, it was coming.

Brian Cranston's a good one. Yeah, so maybe he's in that film. Helen Hunt, who has this run of Kiss of Death, which we'll do at some point. What a fucking insane move. I don't like the taste of metal in my mouth. What crazy movie, bro? Is that a fucking...

I do. What a... I love that movie. That movie's incredible. Twister, and then she wins an Oscar for as good as it gets. Somebody also won four Emmys. For Madaghan. About you.

And then... She moves into this, Dr. T and the women paid forward. She's in Castaway, what woman want. And then... It's never found, like, after as good as it gets, never found the perfect part. She was just on hacks this season. Yeah.

One of the, to me, one of the most unexpected shoot shot up to the A-list situations that I've ever seen. When as it, she's around, she's almost ubiquitous, you see her in all different types of movies and she's good. It was like, is she a TV actress? Yeah. And then all of a sudden, as good as it gets comes out,

and she's at the top of, she's fantastic in it. She's at the top of the industry and you just didn't necessarily think it was going to happen for her. She's got a lot of presence. It's like when Jane's around become the finals MVP. Sometimes you just don't know, Chris.

Like, man. Conference finals and finals MVP. We thought he was Paxton, but it turns out he's Clooney. He besmirched him on stage last year. Did he watch? Yeah, you took some shots. God, you remember. You remember that?

I do. I remember the shots. What about the Jabari Smith Jr. trade? What's your thoughts on that now? Which one? Jabari Smith, the number three. Yeah, you went to trade. That would have been a good trade.

If they didn't want to pay him. What are we fucking doing? What are you talking about? Come on. I was like, if they weren't going to pay Jalen Brown. That's a good trade. You don't get to win the title, but be like, we also retroactively won a trade that we didn't do. I'm just saying it would have been a good haul if they weren't going to pay him.

My vote was to pay him. DeVarge Smith can barely get on the corner in the Rockets. I like it. Rest of the cast includes Philip Seymour Hoffman, you mentioned. Is that Chris Cooper at the top or is it somebody else? Who is the dad in the beginning who gets sucked? It's not Chris Cooper. The guy looks like Chris Cooper.

Jamie Gertz, Alan Ruck, Jeremy Davies. A guy Todd Fields. Todd Field. Yeah. So weird. As far as I know, just three for three absolute bangers when it comes to acting. Nick in Eyes Wide Shut, Twister, and Sleep with Me, the speech with Tarantino in the kitchen. And other than that, I don't know if he's in anything else.

One of the strangest careers. And then he's only directed three movies that are all like really, really unique, awesome movies. This movie got nominated for two Oscars. Best sound, best visual effects. Did this start Hoffman for you? or did Senate of a Woman? Sen of a Woman. Is it,

Set of Women's before this, right? Yeah. Yeah, set of a woman. But I, I didn't really, like, he could have been any kid. He was just really good.

Instead of a woman. It's crazy how dusty from this movie has become, like, an iconic, like, the outfits and stuff. Like, people still talk about,

like, his performance of this. And there's a couple of scenes in here, I'll talk about later, where you're like, this is just a ridiculously good job. Yeah. For a nothing part.

What was the role? Is it more fun if he's just dressed like Scotty J the whole movie or no? He's wearing like a voice meeting. Is it where he's dressed like dusty? What was the role with him to where you went? Oh. You know what I'll say? He's fantastic.

I remember Twister being like, wow, this guy is like, yeah, no, he was a big deal. Do you know what was for me? It was the talented Mr. Ripley. Yeah, yeah. Like the talented Mr. Ripley. After Boogie Nights. Yeah, like talented Mr. Ripley, I was like, wow, he's doing something different. he's different in every single movie

I see him in, yeah. He routinely, though, takes a role that, like, mission impossible three, which is, like, he's the bad guy in Mission Impossible Three. And you're like, this could be fine, like, the bad guy's in Mission Impossible 2 where he's just kind of, like, hamming it up, British guys, Scottish guys.

He's so fucking good in Mission Impossible 3. He's playing it like he's in the master. And it clearly is scaring the shit out of Tom Cruise. And it's just, like, no matter what the material was, he elevated it. Yeah. I think it goes, when I saw him in this, it was like, oh, the son of a woman guy, he's good.

And then he's in Boogie Night's like, wow. And then Ripley was the exclamation point. Then it was like, we have a real actor. This guy is working. Tommy. How's the peeping? How's the peepin? Directed by Chris's guy, Jan DeB.

J.D.B. Director of photography on Diehard. Director of speed. Stand her get off. Stand it off. And a really hard charging just efficient director.

Crew hated him. Yep. People quit. Lots of scores of people quit. It was like a full-on revolt. Yeah. Yeah. They quit.

They have to bring in new people mid-film. Two DPs. Like, crew was wearing funny shirts about him. Interesting guy. Knocked over a camera assistant. The crew revolted. They had to change the crew.

Yeah. Next guy came in, got hurt. Jack Green got hurt with two days to go. The house collapsed on him. He had to go. DeBahn had to take over the photography. It's like, it's a whole deep dive. But, you know, to a whole little era right there, like the Yon DeBant type of filmmaker,

like at a certain point, that's like who people wanted to be. Cool-ass DP that comes from doing that and makes these awesome, ridiculously, accessible action films but that also... This is one of my favorite van takes. Is it guys just want to be... Van missing... The auteur's who were...

The actors who were... The set was like, I fucking hate this guy. But it was like, guess what? It's like the guy in the bear, Joe McHale. Yeah. Guess what? We needed those guys. Gets the fucking job done. But like, a yawn DeBont...

The movie had a certain kinetic energy to it and people were showing up for that shit at a certain time, man. It's like when I used to yell at Chris about the triangle of Grantland. It's not good enough, Chris. More basketball. Yeah, chef.

Yeah, chef. DuBant, he went way over the production schedule to the point that had to delay mad about you by almost three weeks. It's funny because, like, you hear about, like, troubled productions or things that are over budget or over schedule, like Marvel stuff or whatever. And this had all the hallmarks of that. Michael Crichton did the first pass of the script. Steve Zalian, Josh Whedon. He got two and a half million to do the script. All these people are writing the script.

There are people writing the script still while there's movie shooting. They had Josh Wheaton on it. Josh Whitten did it, yeah. Oh, wow. And it fucking came out. Like, when you watch the movie, you think the same cinematographer shot the whole thing. You're never like, damn, they changed, they switched it up midway through. It seems seamless, even though it is so chaotic.

One of the best stories about all this was how he, they, they misjudged Oklahoma City. They thought it was going to be, like, darker and stormier, and it was just, It just wasn't. So they had to, like, figure out how to have darkness. It's got to Iowa, right? So they did these, like, giant lamps that burn the retinas of Helen Hunt and Bill Paxton. They had to fucking... They couldn't see.

They got blinded. And they had to wear, like, elephant glasses for three, four days to get their eyesight bag. To get their eyesight bag. And Jan DeBontz said, I'm sorry. When can you start filming again? Sorry about that. Should we add DeBont to Wayne Jenkins? She got concussed.

she thinks she got concussed because she got hit by it in the cornfield the door hit her when she jumped out well he fought for her to be in the movie because he said she was capable of the physical stuff and then he hit her with a door and concussed her he knew she could take it and Paxton was saying he was

you know they're using real shit like they're doing the hail and they have an ice chipper and she's shooting ice and Dubon is filming next to him with a helmet on and he's like I'm getting hit by the ice too and Paxton's like cool

You get a fucking element on, Jan. So should we had Yon Dupon to her thing? Would this movie be better if it was directed by Yon Dibon? No, stand in front of the dinosaur! Get up! I don't know why he sounds German. Yeah. You're German Dutch.

I'm doing Sprockets. Yeah, messed up. $90 million budget. Made $495 billion second biggest movie in 1996. Roger Ebert, two and F stars. Any interesting takeaways from him? He said, you want loud, dumb, skillful, escapist entertainment? Twister works.

You want to think? Think twice about seeing it. Boy. It's tornadoes, bro. Did they have a ton of plot for Raj. This place being assaulted by tornadoes. You don't have a lot of time to think. Come on, Raj.

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The trauma scene. Yeah. Interesting. I like the whole holding onto the door. Would you do that for your family? Listen, I have a couple notes for dad. Not to step on picking nits, but that lock just wasn't good enough. Like, just not good enough.

It's like one little lock. You put on a dog a door and you're like, that was on me, so I'll hold the door myself and save my family? Or are you like, look? New category. Creating a new character category. Okay. The Joe's dad and twister, I'm sorry, but you kind of deserve to die a word. Wow.

Yeah. Good. Terrible job by that guy. Locks bad. Let go the door. Just let the door go. The door's going anyway. Why are you going to hold in it?

Run in with your family and protect them. Joe's dad. Why is she so traumatized? she was traumatized because the guy was fucking terrible at protecting his family. Bad making locks. Yeah, she's traumatized because she watched her family die. She watched her father die. That's why she's traumatized.

For being a dumbass. So you're saying she should have told herself that my dad was stupid so I don't care about his dad. Exactly. To be fair. That's exactly what I'm saying. I feel like midway through the movie that people start trying to like basically tell her that. Where she's like, Jesus Christ, Joe, the storm didn't choose your dad. Right.

I honestly do feel like as I watch this, because this is a very white movie. And let me say, and it is, had that coming later. The Van Lathen did this movie need more black people. Was there a black person in this movie? One. And it was one too many. Who was the one? Oh, that was one.

I saw him. In Dr. Jonas's group? Yeah. Dr. Jonas had one. Yeah. One got it, they probably kidnapped. It's like, he's there in case something goes wrong and the cops come. Oh, we can talk about it later.

But this is one of the, I have a lot of the, I have a whole thing about a whole thought about this movie is whiteness and why it's a perfect white escape escape. Save it. Yeah. Next scene. Bill tries to get signed papers from Joe. Meets the crew.

I don't believe it. Who is that handsome devil? Gentlemen? The extreme! It's the extreme! Oh man, don't start that shit. Ha ha! Oh, manly handshaking soosh. How you doing?

man. I'm doing great. Doing great. Oh, man. Dusty, I'd like you to meet Melissa. Melissa, this is Dusty. Dust Man's been chasing with us ever since we started.

Listen, man. Where's Joe? And we meet about 12 characters who were fully developed in like two minutes. It's a great job of bouncing around. We get to understand what Dorothy is. And as soon as you see them, you know them. Yes.

As soon as you see them, you. There's the loud guy wearing a Baja. There's the guy who cares about his maps. There's a dude who is apparently ordained minister. Yep. There's Alan Ruck. You're like, Alan Ruck. Oh, Alan Ruck. Cameron. Philip Seymour Hoffman's character

runs right over to his fiance and takes her by the hand. Yeah. And immediately, just that little thing, you know who this guy is to everybody else. Yeah. Big energy guy. Big energy, too familiar, going to be honed in on you, guy,

if you tell him that. Yeah. And we get some action right away because all of a sudden we're chasing a tornado. They do a lot of good stuff. Next thing is the chasing the tornado, which is not a great plan? Right.

All of a sudden we're driving in a ditch and just running to a bridge and the tornadoes, tornadoes about to get them. But some good stuff. And that's our first good special effect is, where's my truck? And then the truck, boom. We had the second tornado.

Cows. flying. Now, they stepped on this with either the trailer or the ad. I can't remember. I think they said, I have to call you back. There's cows. We have cows. Yeah. But in the theater, it was pretty exciting. We have a hug as Dr. Melissa watches. What would a Kalika strategy have been with your ex-wife that you're chasing tornadoes with as she watches from afar and you're hugging your ex-wife after every tornado? Well, the movie was just wrapped. Right. How many tornadoes is she sticking through? She sticks through,

sending her docu signs to be... Dr. Melissa Reeves lasts for four of the five tornadoes. We don't... We don't make it to the first tornado. Yeah. As soon as I go, hey, I'm going tornado chasing. You're going where? Yeah.

Do you get the signature yet? Yeah, you get the signature. Let's go on the road. No, no, I didn't get it, but we're going to go chase this one tornado. No, none of that's happening. She's not going. Like, no, none of that's happening. We're on our way.

Where do you think Dr. Melissa Reeves is based, practice-wise. Oh, good question. I was thinking Dallas? Because she seems incredibly naive about tornadoes. Yeah, Dallas. But if you grow up in Oklahoma,

if you grow up in Tornado Alley, you must know. Well, where was he coming from to go get the signatures? I can't get the fact that Jamie Gertz was for some time that's basically the face of the Atlanta Hawks ownership group, right?

That still is. Unsangely wealthy. Yeah. So I kept thinking Dr. Melissa Reeves was based in Atlanta. She's, she's southern but cosmopolitan. And so she... That's why I thought Dallas.

That's why you thought Dallas. But if she was in Dallas, she notes something about a tornado, though. A little bit. I mean, yeah. So you're thinking, like, gone with the wind plantation area, kind of, like, super rich? Like, South Carolina? It is the ultimate white movie. You just proved that.

Charleston. Charleston. Yeah, she's from Charleston. Yeah. But, like, a part of Charleston, you don't even know the actual name of the town. It's in Charleston. It's a huge country club. One of the best golf courses in the world.

Her family has a lot of land, and you ask her where they got it from, and she goes, it's always been in the family. Yeah, we've always had it. They're driving through Oklahoma City on the way to Dallas. My favorite scene, I'm just telling you, this is my rewatchable,

is the kitchen table. On next? Food? Food? We need sustenance. Yes. We just got the hell out of here because there was definitely

there's so many tornadoes back there. Are you kidding? This thing's not over. We've only seen the start of it. Hey, you know what, Joe, some of us couldn't help but notice how close we are to Wakita. No. Yeah, and Aunt Mac wouldn't want a pit stop, right? No.

Red meat, we crave sustenance. Guys, we are not invading my aunt. Food. Food. Food. We're absolutely not going. I think those scenes like that, and that was when I watched this movie for basically a couple days in a row, it's like, I was like, man, I really underrated this movie. They're trying to do a whole bunch of things in that, in that, like, five minutes.

And all of it really works. They're making food. I'm getting hungry looking at the food. There's like steak and eggs and gravy and mashed potatoes. They're also Dr. Jonas is on TV and they're like taking shots on him. They're telling the stories about old Bill. They're catching up Jamie Gertz on an extreme bill. Helen Hunt, like you could tell that that whole, they're just like laying out a lot

and we get Aunt Meg who you have to set up because later on they've got to go save Aunt Meg. Yeah. I got to like her. Yeah. But it's good. That's like, so when Ebert's like this, that this movie was, you know, not for the thingers, I don't know. I thought that scene was really good. Is there an F5?

It's the Fujita scale. It measures the intensity of a tornado by how much it eats. Eats? Destroys. Little encounter me had back there is a strong F2, F3 maybe. Bet we see some F4s today. That'd be sweet. Four is good.

Four will relocate your house fairly efficiently. Is there an F5? What would that be like? The finger of God. That entire character is there just to say that. There's no reason for a preacher to be in a storm chaser group unless it's to be like it's the finger of God. It would have been funny if they had a completely overqualified actor just for that one moment.

Yeah, like Brian Cox. Have any of you ever seen an F5? Just one of us. Her cut to Joe. Third tornado. That's the hail. I refer to this as the Van Halen Storm. Just get a little fucking open high hat, Alex Van Halen going.

Yeah. Where do you stand on that Van Halen song? It works for the movie, but I wouldn't put it on my Van Halen playlist. Let's talk about it when we get the needle drop because this is an interesting conversation. So we get hail, we get shit hitting the car. We get, uh, they finally get out and they do the... Christ Joe, is that what you think? Things go wrong!

You can't explain it! Jesus, Joe, why can't you just forget it? You don't understand, okay? You'll never know. When's it gonna be enough, huh? How close you have to get talked to me? Joe, things go wrong. You can't explain it. You can't predict it.

Killing yourself won't bring your dad back. I'm sorry he died, but it was a long time ago. You gotta move on. Stop living in the past and look at what you got right in front of you. What are you saying? Me, Joe. When he basically, because you think what, he basically professes her love to,

his love to her, he's telling her, you still have me. And then the whole time. The fucking walkie-talkie. See, that's why I can't get with Raj. Like, that's good shit. Stop living in the past.

Look at what you got right in front of you. Dr. Melissa Reeves is like, kind of a surprise, too. Anybody I can blow right now? I'm so bad. Is there a revenge blow? job I can give. By the way, preacher, I have this impromptly unanswerable

because I know who she fucked to get back at him. Dusty? Oh, say... Is that who it is? Yeah, she fucked Dusty. That night. Dusty, can I have a ride? Not Jonas? No, I think it's dusty. That's one of my favorite movie tropes, though, is the deep

conversation, but there's like a baby monitor on or walkie-talking in the wrong person. It's like Carmi and the walk-in freezer in season two, you know? It always works. You're not supposed to hear it. Just when we think the movie's slowing down, we get another tornado that destroys the drive-in theater. This is the shine. This is it. This is it.

Great little downtown location. I think this one's up there in some ways with like the T-Rex in Jurassic Park. It's not as iconic. It's not as, you know, mind-blowing. But that, the three of them like looking up, the wind is blowing. Yeah. And then the one lightning strike and you can see the tornado. behind the screen and it just fucking tears the screen apart.

Also, I would just love to go to a drive-in and watch the Shining. The people are on edge. Yeah, that sounds amazing. The people are on edge because it's the shining. It's one of the most frightening movies that's ever been made. But there's something coming behind that that's actually fucking frightening. And it just starts ripping. It's awesome.

Yeah, it's great. I was thinking, what if they did the Scatman Cruthers getting axed-to-death scene instead of... Nicholson's just knocking down the door, but they really could have gone for it with the shining. And it goes on for a long time. Yeah. It first comes in. The storm gets worse and worse and worse than their cars.

They keep you there for a very long time throwing shit at your, and you're not sure who's going to die. But it's all the buildup for me because it actually, the movie feels like the way it feels like when you know a storm is coming. Yeah. It gets really quiet. Shout up to Bill Paxton's. Yeah.

That kind of look he has. I don't know. There's some sort of acting trick. CR, should we add a category. I could see CR living in that town. Like when Slapshot, when you just clearly could have lived where the- and had the chief season tickets in the bar? I live in West Wikita.

Could you have lived with that driving theater and that big ice cream shop? Couldn't you see me fucking sitting there? El Camino? Drinking black coffee at 10 p.m. Yeah. I think I could have seen me there. Maybe I took the English teacher on a date. The one guy in town at no.

everything about movies is that they drive in every single night. Die tragically. They're showing apocalypse. And they drive it. The newspaper. After you after they reopened. Wikita lost its treasury of cinematic knowledge when Chris Ryan was blown into the coat of silent. Pictures of you like at the theater.

He loved heat, which had not been made yet. Oh, my God. That's great. It's just finally, Jimmy Kahn. Way's bar, you know, like, you know. What's the number one location you definitely could have lived at? Uh. I still think you getting Charleston Chief Season tickets.

Chief Season tickets. And working at that bar and just hang out. Yeah, the shotgun prison. Oh, Jesus. That's the best one right there. Yeah. You being one of the guys in there? Me being the movie guy.

Yeah. Shot call the prison. You guys ever see Escape from Alcatraz? It's a good movie. Two more. I got to put Dr. Melissa dumping bill. It's a little short one. Pretty clean.

The thing is, I'm not that upset. She realized she doesn't want to. Look, she's like, what am I doing with this guy? So it's actually the best breakup. One of the best breakups in movie history is like, it's a really good breakup. But when you think about. Well, acted too, by her. When you think about everything that she had been through,

she realized that he loves tornadoes more than anything. She got to know a problem that she didn't like. She couldn't do it. She's out. And everybody's going to be okay. And he doesn't put up a giant fight either. No. Say no.

And she says, don't worry about me. I know my way home. Because Dusty's taking home. By the way, Dusty's getting you right. We're getting one of those beds that you put quarters into, so they moves faster. Two more. Dorothy's flying. which we get Dr. Jonas dies

we get them driving through the house we get them jumping out into the cornfield and we get Dorothy flying in the air and then the final tornado which I might as well nipick now I don't think they survived the final tornado that was like the straps shot out to the pipe being in the middle

of the I think they're decapitated or drawn and quartered I just don't think they're by the wind or by the debris inside the tornado I think they were too close I think they get sucked out And sometimes When I was watching it This time I was kind of like

Maybe the real tornado Was Dr. Melissa Reeves Because I feel like a little bit Of the dramatic tension Of the movie leaves When she leaves And I kind of enjoyed him Kind of going back and forth

Between should I be a square Weather Reporter Or should I be a storm chaser? But they have to up the ante After the drive-in It's good. I just, I don't mean to be a dick The only thing you could do

I just think they're getting sucked into that thing. The only thing that you could do was put them inside of the tornado and let us see it, which was the whole... Which, by the way, it was fucking cool. Yeah, so it was driving through the house. So that's why it's worth it.

You just got it. You got it suspended. They go in the barn and the barn. I don't know the people that are the torturing people in the barn and all that stuff. They have to leave. Yeah. Who are these people? What do you have for most who watchful?

Driving. Dan? Drive in close second to me, Joe. Me, Joe. That held a close second. Because like the movie's kind of built around that. New category. Decided to do this.

I was listening to one of our rewatchable's 1999 pods that I hadn't listened to a while. We had a category in that one. What was the most 1999 thing about this movie? Okay. I just think we should do that. So what's the most 1990? What's the most 1996 thing about this movie?

I'll give you some options. Okay. No internet whatsoever. The Dodge Ram. Dusty not being a massive influencer on Instagram. I feel like Dusty in 2024, he's got at least 5 million.

Yeah, he's got a podcast and 5 billion his group followers. Yeah. No Oklahoma City Thunder references at all. Nobody has like the Durant, the Nick Collison, Jersey, nothing.

It's all OU. Driving Theater showing The Shining? Mm-hmm. Todd Field is an actor or Helen Hunt's hair. What was the most 1996 thing about this movie?

I'm going with no OKC Thunder references. I was disappointed that, you know, Dusty's wearing an OU hat, but we don't get any, like, references to Ryan Minor. No Kelvin Samson's first season kind of stuff. Yeah. There should have been one sports fan in the crew. Yeah. Because what month of the year is this movie allegedly said in?

Yeah, it's going to be. It's hot. So somebody talking about, like, minicamp and OU. But it's a downtime for OU Sooners sports in general. MiniCamp at OU? Somebody talking about Marcus DePree? Marks to Prie. Man, you don't realize what?

what we had. Marcus Dupre combo. I'm going to go with Helen Hunt's hair. It's very, very era accurate. It's a tough hair, do. I'm going to go with the Dodge Ram. Okay. It's a big deal, truck.

Wood Sage's the best. What do you got, CR? I have a bunch of stuff. I got the crew. I got Hoffman Field, Rock, Jeremy Davies, Joey Slotnik. It's just an awesome group of guys to hang out with.

It's like when the Celtics would bring in Hauser and Pritcher and New Cornette. When you look at it, that's some insane characters in that bitch. I feel like I'm in hell. They got fucking, they got op-em. They got fucking Connor. They got some insane characters in that bitch. It's like, this movie's a that guy, Hall of Fame.

You know what's age the best and the worst is the world right before we were that worried about climate change. where it was like, God, that's a bad storm. Yeah. But not like, and the world's going to end because we're slowly heating it to the point of death. Yeah, but it was just... This means the world's going to end. You see that fucking storm?

Jesus. You know when that changed? Katrina? El Niño. Oh. Remember the whole El Niño craze? And it was like, what do you mean? What do you mean?

I was like, a fucking El Niño. And everybody's like, well, there's something that makes the storms worse. I mean, the storms can get worse. Yeah. And then you start thinking about it. What stage is the best? The old school special effects. DeBott actually said...

It really feels like they're whipping trees and ice and license plates and stuff at the actors, like for real. DeBant said he kind of saw the direction that filmmaking was going on a technological side of like CGI and stuff. And one of the reasons he did Twister was he thought it would be one of his last chances to do practical. I'm throwing a fucking house at this person. Wow, torturing dozens and dozens of... United States crew members. Blinding as lead actors. The suck zone.

Yeah. The suck zone. Just as a phrase. There you go. Suc zoned. Yeah. I've been at that site. What, like, you know I was going to do it.

I knew. Yeah. Jonas, the bad guy, twister, chaser. He's in it for the money, not the science. First of all, that character

is always going to age perfectly, timeless guy who has you look at them, they're wearing fucking headsets. They got the best fucking cars. They got the best technology. He's wearing like gray tech fleece. Gray tech flee. They're not sarcastic where he's like, oh, by

the way, I enjoy the weather reports. Like you motherfucker. Do you think there was apparently a fair amount of Jonas left on the cutting room floor? Yeah, I had that in what stage the worst. I actually wanted more Jonas. Yeah, me too. The movie feels like it's missing

two or three scenes with him where there was more of a rivalry stuff, they punted on it. Honestly, to be honest with you honestly, to be honest, but you didn't really need him at all. Or you either needed him more or less. You didn't really need him at all because they only show up a couple of times and they don't really pose

any threat or any hindrance to our protagonist. They're just kind of around. Jonas's wingman who's driving him around really catches the bad end of the whole fucking movie. because he gets decapitated by the ladder that goes through. He's like I can be in Meg's gravy this fucking asshole.

He can't rid the tornadoes at all. They didn't do enough to me to where Jonas even deserve to die. Right. It's actually kind of tragically. They needed one way of a scene. They needed like he had hooked up with Joe a couple times or had tried to hire Dusty away or something.

I mean, he tried to steal the design, but you know, that's just good truck. I think Dusty is like the Paul George of Joe's team. Yeah, Dusty's like, I wanted four years. Joe would only go three. No trade. What do you think of Dr. Jonas, Craig? I like them as like a punching bag for the crew to kind of bond.

Like it was, I like the element of getting to see the Paxton crew's expertise. Like, oh, they don't need all the gadgets. Yeah. Like, Paxton being like, oh, it's like the tornadoes turning. I think if you don't have Jonas, you don't really appreciate that as much, their expertise. I do think the fact that they're feeling that they use their instinct Yeah I remember we talked to when we did the Jaws pod

We talked about how in movie that was created the character The mayor The mayor in Jaws is the character that kind of pushes Against our lead person He's usually motivated by money Yeah, there's some sort of bad intentions And that just became a character that's in every movie It's like, oh, that guy

And I like Carrie Elwis And the access to tech and money Was always like nefarious whereas the person that... He's in it for the money, not the science. That was a big... I mean, that's at Woods Age the best, too. That was a good mid-90s theme.

That's... Of selling out. Jurassic Park is the same way. Joe and Bill are anti-analytics, you know? That's right. Bill does do a lot of just fucking walking out there. Phil Mickelson just throws a fucking blade of grass up, and he's like, the tornado's going to be over there.

He can feel the tornado. It's like how Brad Stevens was like, I just think Drew Holiday would fit in with these guys. Same kind of thing, Chris. Um, this is a sneaky, what's age the best? Sneaky awesome all in one day movie. Yeah, it's 24 hours. It's 24 hours.

And it really, I think, benefits from, with the exception of the aunt, it's Aunt Meg. He shows up in the morning the day before and it goes through the night. So it's, it's not quite after hours, but it's close. And I think the compression really helps the movie a lot. Like, I don't need a lot of time elapse in this film. Yeah, we don't need like a. them staying in hotels or a campsite. I would also just say what's age is the best,

the Fujita scale. Just very simple. I understand. Good one. It's like P.R. Richter scale, I still don't really know. Yeah. Like what's a...

Where does it start getting really bad with the Richter scale? Five? Four point five? I think it's like seven. I still haven't figured out it. DevCon, one is the worst one or... I don't think of one. Seven is...

Yeah, one is the worst. On the Richter scale? A seven? Yeah, yeah. That's what I'm saying. Seven's really bad. I don't think five is catastrophic. No, but I think, I think a, if you get to like a five,

if you get like anything over five, you're probably getting the whole, like one that does some significant amount of damage. A six is pretty significant. Seven is like terrible. Seven's major trouble. Yeah, but if I just go F4, you're like, Oh shit, fuck you.

What's age the best, the sound in this movie is really good, especially with when we have better TVs and sound systems and stuff, but they did a good job with that. Here's a personal one for me, and it's in the first. scene. When the family's in peril and escaping somewhere, but they forget the dog.

Yeah. Always gets my wife. It's like she cares more about the fucking dog than the humans. It's like, you better go back and get the dog. Amityville Horror has the best way of that. The dad 1,000% is just like, I'll get you another dog. Yeah. Terrible job by him.

Jamie Gertz-Hawks owner. That takes the best. Hell yeah. She came to fuck up. Good for her. She's like, if we're getting Dyson Daniels, but only one pick. I need a second first. She bet on Trey. Yeah.

Alan Ruck. Conner Roy. Conner Roy. What a career for this guy. Yeah. Ferris. Speed. Twister. Spin City. He's giving us something every decade, man. Dan, this is for you. Thank you. What's age the best?

Movie aunts are grandmothers who are always ready in two minutes to feed a group of 12. Yeah. You don't have to ask where she got all steak from. Maybe she's... They do. She's like, I just slaughtered a bunch of cows for you. Oh, she says that? Yeah. She's like, did you see the cows outside? It's like a good fellow is when they show up at three in the morning and, uh,

Pesci's mom is just like, let me make you guys some meatballs and pasta. And the food, the food looks so hearty and nourishing. It looks delicious. Even the nice big fried egg. Yeah. The Shining's age the best. Any movie where someone says, you're still in love

with them, aren't you? Yep. Works. I have that as fucking your Texas. And then Bill Paxton became a beloved in the Storm Network guy. Yeah. And something called the Spotter Network. They had all these storm chasers and they spelt out his initials when he passed away in 2017 to honor him.

They loved him. And they have a Twister Museum in Wakita or somewhere around here. And he like basically furnished it with like a lot of memorabilia from the movie. Yeah. The Great Shock Order Award. What would you go with CR? The reveal, the tornado reveal at the drive-in, lightning flashes and the tornadoes behind the driving screen.

To me, it's the shot of the middle of the F-5 when they're hanging from the thing. That's actually like a majestic shot. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Yeah. I'm going on a van. Dennett Thieves, Benihana Award, scene stealing location.

Chris's new place he's going to live the drive-in theater area of Okie. Makes House is up there, though. Makes House is nice. The Kid Cuddy Pursuit a Happiness Award for Best Needle trap. Here's Chris. Well, humans being. It's humans being and I get fired up when I hear Van Halen, but this was a cool soundtrack because it was actually like they went out and tried to get people to make songs that were

like related to the movie and stuff. So like. Yeah, Tori Amos. Yeah, and like Google Dolls. It's not, I wouldn't say it's a soundtrack. I pop in. I kind of low key thing. Goo Goo Goo Dolls.

Long way down by Goo Goo Dolls is the better song. Yeah. The most inexplicable song is. Just when Dusty's watching the Eric Clapton video for Motherless Child. Yeah. Like, why is he doing that? I don't know. That's just product policeman, I guess.

Tell you something. Big opportunity missed here. It's 96. Big opportunity missed here for them not to tap into hip hop. It's Twister motherfucker. All right. Big, like, big opportunity missed here for them not to have. Wait, with Twister?

Like, could be Twister. Was he popping around in 96? So he wasn't quite there yet, but this could have been a chance. You add twisted to some of the shit. Buster Rhymes could have been on this. Buster Rhyms. I mean, we all know who probably would have got the soundtrack, but we can't talk about it. But we know who was the most popping that would have had the whole record label.

Did he? OJ. You think Dusty and Preacher could add a Boogie versus Tupac argument? Yeah, whole thing. Like, they missed the opportunity to put some hip-hop on it. The Big Cahuna Burger Award for Best Use of Food and Drink is the whole food scene. But if I had to single out an item, the gravy looked really good. You like the gravy?

Meg's famous gravy. Yeah. But it just looked like really special gravy. My runner-up is Joe ordering eight to-go coffees at the time. At 10 at night. We're together. When they first put the steak and the steak looked like it was going to be shitty, but by the time them steaks came out.

Yeah. Well. She's doing everything. the same cast iron. Well cooked. Butch's girlfriend award for Weeklink of the film. I'll give you two options.

Okay. The actual last like 18 seconds of the movie with like the weird final kiss when the people show up like yeah. But like nobody hugs and then it's like

oh shit we forgot to have these two kiss. It just feels weird. I don't know if I support Yondaban on that one. You don't think JDB had the human touch? I don't think he figured out the emotion of the last 30 seconds of the movie. Me and Collieger are watching it, she's like, what is this? It's just a breath of the answer.

So now it's like they're planning a life together and now they're kids like the movie should have ended. It seems like every writer that they hired quit before the last scene. Yeah, they just gave up. They're like, I got to go work on talented Mr. Ripley. They're also probably so fucking exhausted. Just end the fucking shit and let's get to the credit. Dusty shows up with Jamie Gertz.

She's like buttoning her blouse. That's the end. Much better. This is this weird fan. Oh, my God. But the other weak link that I think is even more glaring than the actual ending is why would Bill and Dr. Melissa Reeves be together? What are those two have in common?

Here's my theory. What? I don't get them as a couple at all. I have a theory. I'd sort of wanted to save this, but we could do it now if you want to talk about the relationship. I was going to do a reverse Z. Wantonayo and talk about the days before Twister. I think Bill, the extreme, had a bit of a drinking problem. Like, I think he liked to party.

I think he'd like to get after it. These stories about him being naked, throwing Jack Daniels at the storm. I think he gets, if not sober, clean, cleans the shit up, moves to Dallas, tries to get a meteorology job. That's why it didn't work out with Joe? Maybe, like, on a computer date gets set up with Melissa. Or he's... I would have thought he was in therapy with her. No, she's a reproductive therapist.

So she's only dealing with couples who are trying to have babies or having babies or whatever. So he goes he has a date with Melissa and it's a quick, it's a quick engagement. It's like you seem stable, I'm stable, let's get this going. And it turns out he's got a little bit more to him than that. Yeah. I mean, I like that because it's obvious why they're together. They get sex? Yeah, they give each other a feeling they're tornado fuckers.

They can't fuck the tornadoes and they fuck each other. Joe and Bill. But what about Melissa in, though? Oh, he was just, that was him trying to be regular. Everybody knows that girl. Like, after you've done all you, you try to be regular, I'm going to settle down now. I'm going to get somebody regular. I'm going to do that.

But you still like strippers. You know what I mean? Like, you still, like, you still, like storm chasers. You still like storm chasers. When he gets around her, he came alive. And that's really what she peeped. She peeped that. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. She could never, ever give him what he's going to give. from Joe because they share this passion together. The whole movie, when I say the movie's erotic, think about the scene where they're under the bridge or whatever. They're wet, she's trying to crawl away.

He grabs her. He has to hold her. Yeah. You know, they just get pushed together by the tornado. It's cool, too, because when he shows up with Melissa for the first time, he's got the ill-fitting sports jacket. He kind of looks like a nerd. He's like, I'm not back. I'm not back. And then as the movie

goes on, he gets fucking cooler and cooler. Yeah. Now it's just like the shirt with the that's rolled up on the sleeves and he's got his boots and his wranglers and he's just like a cool guy. They desexualized Dr. Melissa Reeves a tiny bit. Like they gave her a bad hairdo. Jamie Gertz is more attractive

than she is in this movie, I think, intentionally. Because I don't think they want her to be like, oh, man, Dr. Melissa is a smoke show. They didn't want her to be a smoke show. They wanted to be this stable, kind of boring doctor. But that character existed so many times. Yeah. You see that character.

Flip it in rom-coms. Usually it's the guy. It's like Bill Paulman and Slippis in Seattle and Greg Caneer. And you got mailed. Yeah. What's age the worst? My number one. Well, actually, I have two really good ones.

What do you have, Sierra? What's age the worst? Yeah. Well, I'll give you one. I wanted 11 more seconds from Dr. Jonas's death scene. The thing goes through. Let's see his hand come off of his fucking body. Like something goes through and takes out our driver

That guy from Philadelphia But then the car gets sucked up And then we just kind of see the car And they're watching and then it crashes But I kind of what a Dr. Joseph In the car Like just like five, six seconds Maybe in the Simmons cut

I'm sure they have Simmons cut it's way It is kind of terrifying to see from a long distance That truck just fly up in the air like that Yeah I don't know having My what's age of the worst is probably having a map guy.

Probably not a very growth business anymore. She's true. Can you look this up? Yeah, here you go. Here's my phone. The drive-in movie, man. They just closed the Mission Tiki drive-in

in Montclair. The driving movie came back during the pandemic, but now it's gone again. They're aged pretty poorly. So Helen Hunt, good athlete. She was in quarterback princess. I sent you guys the clip.

I'm just not happy with her running in this movie. I don't, I think it really kind of, if you really watch, it's a little Seagalish. Do you think it's because she was concussed? If her and Seagal, she's just kind of like, they're trying to run the cornfield.

And her, like, she's just not going fast and she's not coordinated. I think there was a lot of obstacles, though. I don't know. I feel like there's some other actresses that would have dusted that part. You put Sandy Bullock in there? Do you think she's just dead sprinting? I think she's just like freaking cruise in, uh, 90 cruise movies.

Way too attractive for this movie. Sandra Bullock. Yeah. Not going to work. I didn't like the running. I didn't think. And DeBott, one of the shots he took, he called her clumsy because he blamed Helen Hunt for getting concussed on the set.

It's like, well, Helen always was a little clumsy. I want an NFL coach to do that. Next time, like, a slot receiver gets because of that. Yeah, well, you got to learn how to board those. They, uh, our guy, Jan DuBont, missed the explosion of an oil tanker that wasn't caught on film, and they had to do it again for a rumored, $500,000.

That's what the fuck I'm talking about. Yeah. It's what we used to do. I missed it. We used to be like, do it again. Bring me another one. Fucking camera wasn't working. Let's do it again.

I'm talking about. We missed it. We didn't get it. Carrie Elwee's was definitely cut back significantly, but those scenes are not online. Yeah, unfortunately. I would throw those online.

Yeah. So there's an early scene where Philip Seymour Hoffman's sitting on a lawn chair and he lifts his leg up while he's laughing and you can see his genitals for a split second that they had to edit out of future dhddd and vhs releases did you try to freeze for him i did not yeah i did not i trusted uh i trusted

the uh story on that the beans and franks got away there for a second does that mean um he was going commando or i think it might have been going commando that's great and then you was showing joe my last one for what's age the word is just helen hunt where put a ponytail on during most of this movie i think that's the move with the hair i don't know if there was ever a time of that haircut was in with the bangs in the front with the kind of long it's a little kid rockish

I don't know I just it's not a great haircut Craig what did you think of that haircut I didn't put a lot of thought into it to be honest yeah Craig what do you think of women's hair I just don't like that I comment on hell of those

this is definitely paint tails would work the ponytail you have priors like you definitely like you zero in I don't like the hair okay any other would say yours um

They do a lot of cutaways to, I think, an unnamed meteorological center where they're, like, looking at the storms coming together. And we have no context of where it is. I also don't need the context. It's very apparent that the storms are bad. Yeah, we're good. We have storms. Yeah. And personally, for me, I didn't need the Steven Spielberg shit of, like, my trauma with my dad. It was, it's a scary enough movie. It's a, that doesn't work, like, at all.

And, like, I'm, I don't understand how some of the trauma. gets, you know, played out in these movies. Yeah. Like, it's just, I think that's another thing that made the movie, you know, different culturally. Because I look at these characters that you guys have, these great Caucasian characters, Batman, you know, your parents die. Caucasian character, Mount Rushmore.

It's Batman and Dr. Joe Harding. Exactly. Yeah. Of trauma. And then you spend the rest of your life when you're a billionaire. You spend the rest of your life. Chasing your parent trauma. Yeah.

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Learn more at Wells Fargo.com forward slash active cash terms of play. All right, the Ruffalo Hannah Rubeneck Partridge, overacting a word. They knew and they let it happen. Don't you call me, lady. I come in here. I give these things to you. Give it all you got. Give it all you got.

I treated you like a son. You fucking stab me in the heart. Fuck you. What do you get, Sierra? Are you going to go there? No, I actually think, you know, he's got about half a dozen scenes in this movie. Carrie always, when he gets confronted about stealing Dorothy. His accent.

He turns into foghorn, leghorn. He's like, unrealized idea. His accent. His accent, he just can't do it. It's not worth it. What is the matter with you? You stole my design, you son, you son of a bitch. Calm down.

The hell you talking about. Dorothy, you Tucker, you damn thief. Oh, I get it You want to take credit for my design You're a liar She was our idea and you know it Unrealized idea Unrealized

That ain't worth That's what I hear like The accent just goes It's like an inherent the window It's like still in prison It would have made more sense If he just played it English Right

If he had just played it English And been the stuffy English guy That came over there That's a good call He's like, Ah, dude, they should give him a Mouscage. They should give him

like a cool evil mustache too. Yeah, but when he opened, I forgot that he was going for the accident with you. I was like, God damn. Was there a better title for this movie? Storm Chasers? F5.

I have a couple of them. Cocker Storm. Like as a Caucasian storm? Yeah, white wind. Caca storm? Have you ever seen, speaking of white people? I have Magust.

Have you ever seen white squall? Yes, I'm seeing white squaw. I love it. I like that. It's white excellence right there. Oh, no. White squaw. These guys are on the boat.

They're on the boat, bro. They fucking figure it out. Can you dig it a word for most memorable quote? Is it just food? Food. Yeah, I like that. Or it's coming. It's something Dusty says.

When they're driving into the house and he goes, we're going in. The CR thinks Luke Wilson. could have been Harrison Ford How to Take a word? Joe, good daughter, bad scientist. Don't really think she's got the level edge you need to take readings, analyze data.

Not sure she's like the best at anything in that group. Can't see the tornado how it shifts. Yeah, Bill's the fucking guy with the force who can figure out where it is. Map guy, radio guy, Doppler radar guy, she's got a God guy. What does Joe do?

Except put people in danger. Most of all herself. She's a hustle player. Yeah. She's Russell Westbrook. She's a hustle player. It's just the tenacity that she's saved. No, but she's like Marcus Smart where it's like, why are you taking the last shot?

Yeah. I like that. Bill's kind of the point forward. He's powerful, but can also run the offense. Yeah, like the whole thing doesn't get going until they add them back onto the team. Yeah, right. Right. Did you have a hot of stick?

I do. You don't have one, do? No. Speeding up the time for tornado warnings, overrated. I went and I just, search this. And guess what? It's still 10 to 15 minutes. Even now. Yeah. They haven't sped it up since 1996. And guess what else? Sometimes there's no time for warnings. The whole premise of

this movie is completely flawed. The premise of the movie being that they want to develop a earlier warning. Yeah. It'll be, it'll be longer times. Because when they get to Wikita, it's just like the air horn goes off and I didn't have time to get some of the shelter. To get to shelter. But guess what? They still have tornadoes that come out of nowhere and just take out. minutes then though? Or have we gotten to the 15 minutes? Well, they were saying back then it was like three.

Yeah. But now it's like they've, they padded a little 10 to 50 minutes, but they still have tornadoes that nobody knew was coming that just come out of nowhere. I have, my feeling about this is that if I was living in a place that's referred to as tornado alley anyway,

and presumably you must hear about like, oh, a tornado hit a couple towns away, I would just maybe work from home that day and be in the shelter. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just going to be like, we're going to go out of the shelter, we're going to bring some scrabble. So you wouldn't fire up the drive-in date that night after the two tornadoes that afternoon. I mean, are we still seeing the Shining?

I don't know. They're picking my uncle out of some rubble. Starts at 7.30. I should be okay. No, I can. There's been three of them. Did you want to be there for previews or no? We're going to the movies, though.

Don't tell me we're not going to the movies. If we're at the movies, we're going to see the tornadoes, we're going to be fine. I got tickets already. casting what ifs. Spielberg initially attached to direct, which I think was the case for every single movie in the 90s. Then he exactly produced. And then it bounced around.

And then Jan DuBant signed on after leaving Godzilla, thanks to creative differences. With who, Godzilla? Maybe. Tom Hanks read for the part of Bill, but passed and suggested Paxton. He even got like, got like, he got like the wardrobe and stuff.

Like he was getting ready to do it. You know what that tells me? That tells me that Paxton wouldn't have had, this role. If not for Tom Hanks. If not for one of the big swinging dicks of the era saying put this guy in the movie. It was a Tom Hanks deal that he would have done.

Mir Sorvino considered to play Dr. Melissa Reeves. But? Did not want to dye her hair. I love that. That's it what we got. Next category. There was one more than. What is it?

Garth Brooks for Jonas. Did you believe that? I didn't know. I chose to. Yeah. That felt too weird. I thought that that would have been awesome. If Garth Brooks.

Or like Dwight Yolkham. Like one of those guys was... Like stunt casting. Chris Gaines could have played. That would be funny. The Van Lathen Award, did this movie need more black people? Absolutely not.

There was one. There was one black guy when you see Jonas' crew. He's with them and he's laughing at the other guys. It needed less. The one black guy that was in here was an abomination for him to be around here, running after tornadoes with these people. It makes absolutely zero sense.

This is the one movie. Let's say something. I'm a big believer in diversity, right? I'm a big believer in diversity. But not all the time. Not in Twister. Yeah. Not in Wicita, Oklahoma?

Yeah. You just want to watch what these white people are going through. And this is a white-ass story about some storm chasers. I haven't seen the storm chasers yet. They might be out there. I haven't seen them. That's that guy word. That guy from Madman who played the mean comic?

He's one of those guys. What's your guy? What you talking about? This guy's got kind of the, it's got the wide eyes. He was in Mad Men. Remember he insulted somebody's heavy wife and they made him apologize? Patrick Fishler? Is he one of Jonas's guys?

Oh, that guy's been in a lot of shit. They show him and stuff. He's one of those guys. Yeah, he's in there. I had Zach Gringay. Well, I'll get to him. That guy from ER who was like, who was like one of the hospital. Yeah.

He's in Jonas's crew. He's in Joe Slotnick, I think is Joey Slotnick. I think is Joey Slatnik. I don't know if he's a guy. He's right on the fringe. Yeah. But the answer is Zach Greneer. Grineer, sorry.

Not great. Grinier. I think Grenier is good. He was in Philadelphia. He's like, hey, bud, what's up? What's out in your face? Hey, bud. The way he's like, he said that.

He's a racquetball. He's got hit by a racquetball. He's a bunch of stuff, though. He's a fight club. He's one of those faces. Never knew what that guy's name was. The fight club. He's winning the shit out of him.

He's behind a desk, right? Yeah. Dion Waiter is a word. I have Todd Field because Hoffman's got too much screen time. Todd Field when he's like, that's no moon. It shit is so good. That is funny. I had Hoffman.

He's in too much of it. He's in too much. Yeah, he's like the number four lead. The Golden Retriever I thought was really good. We don't usually have dogs. Is that Meg's dog? Yeah. What about Meg?

There's people going back into houses for domestic pets. It's just like, come on. How about, man? I got to be honest with you. Tornado comes. I'm going to get Bozeman, man. Yeah, me too. There's no way I'm not protecting.

Nah, I can't get another Bozeman. He has his own personality. He has his own personality. I'm telling you, he has his own personality. He's got his own thing. I know what he does. We communicate. I can't do it.

You know what Twisters for dogs? July 4th. The fireworks. It's going crazy. It's their version of like the Wikita Drive-in and just getting demolished. So they hear every firework. So what do we have for Dan Waiters then?

Todd Field. I have Todd Field. You want to put in Jonas? Kerry Elie's Jones. Jonas could almost be. He's not that good. But he doesn't really doing it. I mean, he's...

Yeah, so I'm not like that was an incredible performance giving what it was. Yeah, there's that really a deal. Todd Field makes the Repo Man joke, and then he makes the Star Wars joke. It's perfect. Let's give it to him because he's only made three movies in 21 years, and we like to all them. We want to make more. Maybe let's inspire him.

Recast. This is the thing that's going to push him on. Over the edge. Recast with Deon Waiters for Twister. Director City. So we're good with the leads. Could we get bigger actress for Aunt Meg?

Who was available at the time? Ellen Burston? Sally Field? Coming off Forrest Gump? Sally Field's not going to do that. It's not big enough. It's not big enough for Sally. Needs to be somebody I can see living in Oklahoma.

It could be younger. It's an aunt. She's a sculptor. She could be a little bit. Like maybe she spent some time in New York. the 80s, you know, like, it could be funky. Could be, could you, Sarandon? Sarandon.

Surrandon, baby. That's a good one. That, that works. What about, what's her face? Warren Beatty's sister. Oh, Shirley McLean. Shirley McLean? Warren Beatty's sister is Shirley Maclean? Yeah.

Come on, Chris. I didn't know. Facts. Deborah Winger? Too young? Two, probably too young. His thing, though, Aunt can't be, aunt can't flirt with sexy.

I feel like Sally Field was still flirting with sexy and Forrest Gump. Yeah, we got to feel like maybe Dusty stop by there. I mean, she didn't have sex. She's not flirting with sex. She's good in Forrest Gump. She's still, she still had that thing.

What about, what if it, no, never mind. Go for it. Now I want to hear it. I have to hear it. This is. Where's an aunt mega place where we could diversify.

See, this is the fuck I'm talking about. See, that works. Now, that meal just got way better. Darling Love? You know what I mean? That meal just got way, way better. That's perfect. Yeah, that's good.

And then you feel a little bit more attached to Joe because, you know, Joe got some black people on her family is a little bit. You know, that works. See? We're changing the Tony Romo, Chris Collins, where the director's commentary category. Okay.

We're now making all sports announcers eligible for this category. And changing it to what sports announcer would you want for this director's commentary for this movie. And by the way, Romo and Collinsworth are still on the table. Are you gonna, you're looking at me like I was prepared for this. My pick is Dorisberg.

I knew you were gonna do it. I was like, I bet he's gonna do it. Go ahead. It's just a phenomenal read of the tornado by Bill. And as much as I think Dr. Jonas was doing a terrific job in his own right. And I don't want to blame anyone here, but it's clearly a mistake that he didn't listen

and got sucked to his awful death. He would never call her. She would never call them Dr. Joseph. It would be like, Joe, Joe is doing a good job, too, out there. I don't know. I was working shopping some doors. I like it. I think Tony could work, too, though.

Yeah. Oh, no, Jim! Another tornado! Gads are in the air, Jim. Fourth one. Half Festernernernerner Research, meteorology majors in the United States increased by about 10% after this movie. Interesting.

University of Oklahoma saw its program double. The real town in Wakita was used during filming. They used an older part and they demolished a bunch of houses and paid, bought all the houses. They like bought it was, it's crazy when you see like what the houses

were. They paid like, it was like $70,000 for 10 houses. There was some crazy shit like that. Were we aware of storm chasers in the zeitgeist? No, we were not. That was one of the reasons we should have mentioned this in the top.

I really don't know. Nobody knew anything about this whole world. We just knew from Weatherman. I'm trying to think Chris is thinking I'm thinking just because was this before or after the phenomenon of whether people

standing out in the middle of the shit that's been around for a while I've talking about like like where guys just like Hurricanes hit in the Jersey Shore I'm going yeah 60 mile air wins yeah but I'm talking about like

the actual science of it in a goddamn truck chasing after a tornado so they could study I don't remember whether or not we did or not So not only did Helen Hunt get blinded, but when they were in that unsanitary ditch

in the first tornado chasing, they both had to get hepatitis shots because it turned out there was a ton of bacteria in that ditch. And then Hunt got hurt and maybe got a concussion. And then Jan called her clumsy. And she said, clumsy, the guy burned my retinas, but if I'm clumsy, I thought I was a good sport. and then

they just had a bunch of shit thrown at them and were pretty beaten up by the end of this movie. They released a second DVD this was the air if the DVDs

would come out in like 97 and they were terrible and then it's like a deluxe later and they're like hey it's another DVD I just I already have this

Taylor's version they did it a Blu-ray did an HD DVDs well on May 24th 1996 a tornado destroyed screen number three in Ontario at a drive-in theater

that was scheduled to show Twister that night. Ontario, California? Ontario, Canada. Oh. I didn't know. They had... They were showing Twister and the actual tornado blew it out.

I was about to say, because Ontario's... I think we had one in Philly recently, but it was like light, but it was still bad. Yeah. So Bill Paxton trivia for you. When he was eight years old, he was in Fort Worth, Texas, and saw John F. Kennedy Jr.'s last speech before he got assassinated. Damn.

Yeah. Apex Mountain, Bill Paxton. I had one more in that research. Two JDB facts. He was a staunch vegetarian and hated the act mex scene. Wow. And... Just sounds like he sucked.

Huge Tori Amos fan and personally appealed to her to appear on the soundtrack. I'm telling you, they should bring back guys like that, man. Yeah, man. They should bring back guys like that. Guys who were just vegetarian, Toriamos fans. Vegetarian, Tori Amos fans. Vegetarian and Tori Amos. Like, blinding Helen Hunt.

That is not somebody I was hanging out with in the 90s. Apex Mountain, Paxton, I'm going to say yes. Helen Hunt probably winning an Oscar a year later. Hoffman, no. How about the Dodge Ram, now called the Ram? I feel like it's had pretty sustained success. Was Dodge Ram like a rock, the Bob Seeger commercial? Like a rock?

Or is that? No, that was Chevy. That was Chevy. The Dodge Ram, I guess, I guess so, maybe. I don't know. I'm trying to think. Probably not's way out. It feels like the F-150 kind of.

F-150 became the truck. Have you ever had a pickup truck? No, but I'm always jealous of the F-150s. Why? They just seem like cool cars. I'm always, I always think when I see them, I've had a couple friends get them in the past. I'm always like,

I asked them questions about what do you do with it? How many groceries can you fit in there? Would you make Ben ride in the back? Yeah, there's no question. It seems gigantic and unwieldy, but I've always been interested in it. It's a good truck. Yeah. Tornadoes, Apex Mountain?

Yeah. Yeah, in the movie, for sure. For sure. Gravy? No. No. Fuck, no. What was the Apex Mountain for gravy?

It's not this. I can tell you that much. What would it be then? It's not this. Jamie Gertz, no. Post David Rod. What's Jamie Gertz's Zachary Riesotche?

Eleanor Hawks ownership. Lost boys? Keeping Trey Young. Lost boys. Lost boys. Now, I personally think it's less, it's, what was the Downy one

when he dies at the end? Well, if you can't remember, it's probably not her apex mountain. It's less than zero? I felt like she was one of the biggest under 25 female actresses on the rise. She was like neck and neck and neck with Demi Moore in 87. If it's less than zero,

it's a lost voice. Maybe it's the Lost Boys It's somewhere in there It's one of those two Flying cows, yes Oklahoma, no The Shining No Can I ask you one?

Yeah Is this Apex Mountain For 90s disaster movies If you consider it a disaster movie So this is what I would say Is Jurassic County? Let me throw you, I think, I don't think so

But It depends on It depends on your definition Of a disaster movie Because there are a couple in there Armageddon Okay I consider outbreak

A disaster movie Okay, this is bigger than outbreak. Dante's peak and deep impact. Independence Day count? That's what I was about to say. I think it's independent day. If you count Independence Day as a disaster movie, I argue that invasion movies are not disaster movies.

Oh, it's a separate class. I argue that invasion movies, not disaster movies. Disaster movies have to be something... One, aren't invasion movies, alien movies? Basically. But you consider... I think... Armageddon and a disaster movie, right?

Yeah. So disasters are hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, and... Asteroids. When you say disaster, I consider to be... Asteroids are invasions, though, right? No, that's not an alien. But it's a natural occurrence, though. Oh, I see what you're saying.

So I consider disaster movies to be natural disaster movie. This went bad. Even sometimes something that's man-made. So do you consider Jurassic Park a disaster movie because the dinosaurs getting out is a disaster? No. Actually, I don't really consider that a disaster movie because it's a disaster movie because it's a contained thing that happens in one place. Because that's the same rationale as using it.

Like Apollo 13 is not a disaster movie just because something goes wrong. Right. So to me, to me, if you count Independence Day, it's definitely Independence Day. But if you don't, it's between... I like the categories. I think you're right. What the other thing you just made me realize is like, I don't feel like we're doing a good enough job with disaster movies anymore.

No, we're not. These two different runs, right? The 70s, we had this awesome run. Poseid and Adventure and all those movies. Towering Inferno. And then we had in the 90s, we had all the movies you just mentioned. But this goes back to Van's original point.

San Andreas I'm so mad about. They fucked that stuff up because no offense to him, the Rock should not be in those movies. Like, Adam Driver, normal, like some normal looking dude should be in those movies. The Rock's never in peril.

It's the same reason why they didn't want. These movies are all really good because they take really good actors and they're like, just being this blockbuster for us. There's one guy keeping it alive. what's the guy Gerard Butler No no

him Roland Emrick Like he had the day after tomorrow I'm pretty sure he did that one That one wasn't a bad disaster Didn't he direct Greenland Didn't he direct the Gerard Butler one Where I think he did

Girard Butler keeps disaster movies Rocking Geo Storm and moon Whatever There are a couple of them They just They could be better

But they don't They don't hit anymore Because also every disaster movie now It's trying to make some grander statement about climate change or something like that.

So it's just... We don't need disaster movies anymore because we had the Lakers. Okay. Wow. Well done. Jesus Christ. Look at all this hubris from you.

What do you mean? Look at all this hubris from you. They won the Jabari Smith trade. Yeah, they won the Jabari Smith trade. This is going to be hard. Cruise or Hanks? It's Hanks. He was almost in it.

He was almost in the movie. Cruz is too good looking for this. That's not the answer. Yeah, but Hanks... The Cruz is too good looks at us. It's not too hard. This is, this is a perfect Hanks movie.

And yet it's an amazing Tom Cruise movie. This is an amazing Tom Cruise movie. He could run. Him running through the cornfield with Helen Hunt. Him having some weird relationship with the previous. Do you think he would allow Joe, like, do you think Tom Cruise being this movie would allow the other character to be the person who has to overcome their grief? Like, is he benevolent?

You're right, it's Hanks. I just wanted to talk about Cruz. I'll tell you, if you put Cruz, in it, number one, the women are different. The two women are different. It's fucking Kelly Lynch. I mean, Elizabeth

Shoe is Dr. Melissa Reeves. What do you think, Craig? It's Hanks, but then I, when I imagine a scene of Cruz out running a tornado in a scene, I'm like, man. It's the movie Cruise never made in the 90s that he should have made. He should have made one movie

like this where it's, and then he eventually does it in War of the World's, what, 7, 8, years later. But it's more grounded with Hanks. It's more ridiculous. He's doing, at this point, he's doing, like, far and away, and he's doing interview of the vampire and Jerry McGuire and eyes wide shut. But he needed, like, one of these in here.

I thought about something while I was thinking about the Cruz versus Hanks thing. What if you throw in Denzel? How has this movie different? Cruz or Hanks or Denzel? I'm just saying not all the time. Just in this movie. What if Denzel is the lead in this movie? What, like, what happens?

He's too cool. I'm never. I'm never scared of him losing to the tornado. Because it's the same like in Jaws. Charlton Heston wanted to be Brody. But it just doesn't work. And Spielberg's like, you're too cool. Like nobody's going to think you're going to lose to the shark.

You're Charlton Heston. And I feel that way about Denzel sometimes. Like he's almost like he's too cool to be in movies like this. The only reason why he is. But the only reason why I said that, I thought about it when I was looking back on it and nights. He never tried one like this. Maybe unstoppable. I mean, Crimson Tide?

He did the Tony Scott once, I guess, is the closest. Yeah. Unstoppable is probably the closest. Unstoppable. He's a little older at that point. Racehorse, rock band, wrestler, fantasy team name. I'll give you the suck zone. Storm chasers or welcome to Wakita. Welcome to Rakita is a good horse name.

Pretty good, right? All right, picking nits. Dorothy, kind of stupid. Like a dumb device. It could just get knocked over and spill all stuff that you painstakingly made. Is it also that hard to just? You see you only had four of them?

Like, can't you have like a hundred of those in a warehouse? He doesn't have remote control that the thing stays locked until you open it and then the things fly out? It just falls, it tips over and that's it. Also, don't even, so they built wings for the sensors, basically? In like six hours. That's why they had all the coffee. Yeah, she had a spark of genius. They never, this is my wife's biggest nitpick because I made her watch this with me.

They never ever really get hit by a tornado debris, which is why pretty much everyone dies in tornadoes. because there's just debris everywhere. And these two go to five different tornadoes that they're in. And it's just like, whoa, another speedboat flew by. Only a preacher really gets scraped up. Right. That's it. Everybody else is scotch-free.

Scott-free. Why'd they get the worst? Well, they talked a little bit about it. Not enough. I still don't really have an answer. But, I mean, she was on, they were on different paths. He needed more from her. She couldn't get it.

Oh, because he was never going to be enough, not while the F5 was out there. Remember he said to her, like, I'm right in front of you. Is that a real reason somebody gets divorced? I'm telling you, the extreme used to get after it. Yeah. And he knew he needed to walk away from it. Yeah, see, I feel like there's a half a scene missing where it's like the extreme, the extreme had, did the Fredo on two cocktail waitresses.

What? It's like the extreme was feeling it last night. You think the extreme got. Oh, the Freda. What? canceled by the storm chaser community. I think he frayed out of some bar and Makita.

That was that. It would be great if they went into like one bar and the bartender's like not you. Get the fuck out. I lost half my wait staff. We told you a long time ago. You weren't welcome here. That was an antique juke box. Oh my God.

I just want to point out they have five hurricanes in a 24 hour span. I feel like that, five tornadoes. I feel like that would be notable. Like a legendary catastrophic day in America. Like the five tornado

Oklahoma Day. It doesn't like that has that matter. It would not have been the night for an outdoor movie. No. The drive-in shut down that night and the two people that are working in the

little Sunday Cheeseburger Place, probably calling in sick. Yeah. Can't you just like have a bunch of Dorothe's and just have them sitting in the town every day?

Like why do you need to be, why do you need to like wait for a tornado then go set the door the next week? Just make like 20 Dorothy. I think they're expensive to me. I mean, like, I think the implication is, like, they're running out of, like, there's only so much more money. So they need to show results. So total tornadoes on the biggest tornado day.

Yeah. In Texas, at one point, at one day, there were 66 tornadoes in Texas one day. Well, that Texas is huge, though. In Oklahoma, the record is 58. In one day? Yeah. In Iowa, the record is 70. Jesus.

What are they counting as a tornado? Actually, that's Kansas. And Iowa is 34. I don't know. That's a tornado. But like, can it be like, that's a tornado, but it was like a bad dust storm, and it counts? Maybe.

What's an F1? What's an F1 tornado? Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I guess what the, they would judge it by wind speed or size, I'm not sure. For as much as, the only other nitpick I have is for as much as I enjoy the scene, it's so popping. on that day, there's no way Joe actually lets them

take however long it takes for Meg to make everybody's steak and eggs. She showers and blows dries her hair. Bill showers. They're hanging out, drinking homemade lemonade, and then they get caught flat-footed when another tornado pops out. It's a good call. Sequel, prequel, prestige TV, all black cast are untouchable. Well, they're making the sequel.

Twisters. The prequel would be Jonas, Jill, and Bill at the lab that they all came up working. at? No, the prequel is called The Extreme. I'm like Twister. The Extreme. It's fucking, it's, it's just Bill going sideways. It's like leaving Las Vegas with tornadoes in Oklahoma. If you're casting it, if you're casting

the prequel younger in let's say 99 or 2000, casting the prequel younger, who do you cast as Bill? Who's the young Bill in 2000? Affleck. He's too old at that point. Is he? How young? You're, because the extreme at this point is like 42. It's like Heath Ledger.

You're getting, no, seriously. It's somebody who's probably like 24 in 1999, right? So he's going backwards to be younger Bill Paxton. Yeah. The first. Toby McGuire. There's another sequel idea that I think they left on the table. Yeah.

Which is Dr. Melissa Reeves' life after Twister. Oh, that's the HBO show. And the show is, now it's like hardcore sex advice. The show is called after the storm. Well, I mean, She's totally changed. She has a radio call-in show.

But it's like Bill Taxing. They made that show. It's telling me you love me. She's the sex therapist who gets it on with the clients. And Bill pops in. They pop in as a couple. They're married, her trauma. She's running the bunny ranch.

She's doing a whole bunch of different shows on HBO. Yeah, she just dips into her sexuality at that point. It's not where I was going with it, but yeah. She got completely done by the tornado guy. He went back to. his ex-wife. How long does her fling with Dusty last? Oh, that's 30 minutes.

Yeah. Yeah, that's just, that's not about love. It's not about sex, Chris. Yeah, Dusty hits it about romance. He's like, I'm not even wearing underwear. Yeah, Dusty hits it twice. He's out. You know what I mean? Is this movie better with Wayne Jackets, Danny Traos, St. Jackson, J.T. Walsh, Byard Mayo, Harley Mays, Harvey, Ramon, Raymond,

Philip Baker Hall or Yon Dabot? I'm adding somebody to the category. Who is it? Bill Paxton from aliens. Hudson? Cows! That's just fucking ready, man, game over!

What the fuck are we going to do now? I like that. That's a good idea for a category. Somebody playing a character from their past is a different character from their own repertoire.

If Paxton just does Hudson, it's fucking rules. Just one Oscar, who gets it? Special effects? Yeah, to be a facts. Probably unanswerable questions. I've been waiting for an hour and a half to ask you guys this. So Bill doesn't show up that day for the signature.

Who's driving Joe? Who is the backup driver in this crew? Is it Todd Field? Yeah, probably. Somebody's got to be in the lead car, right? It's not Dusty. He's got his own car. He's got his own, he's got everything the way he likes it.

There's some other driver, though, right? So somebody kind of lost their spot on the greatest tornado day ever. I have a different unnatural. Some bitterness and the team? Yeah. different one. If Bill if Bill Paxson's character doesn't show up, does Joe die?

Oh, like, does she get killed that day? Like, this is it. Because, because he's not there for the biggest twosity day ever. No, because they lose the truck the first time. But she keeps trying to go back into different 20s. Yeah, she does. She does her, does her trauma make her do, because she

keeps trying to go back, he saves her life and actually puts her on the right road. Yeah. But does she die? Is this her last day on earth if he's not there? I think yes. Okay. That's a great question. Do you think when they're talking about Jonas,

it's like Jonas is in it for the money, not the science? Yeah. What kind of money are you talking about? Like... How much could be? But like how much could be in storm? Like a $48,000 grant? Yeah, like what are we talking about?

Like, who's... Is there like an evil company funding Jonas? Dr. Evil? Yeah. Well, think about it. To harness the power of tornadoes? What does it profit upside of Dr. Jonas's business? There's no social media.

Yeah. Does he have a TV show? Like, how is he turning a profit? I don't know. Yeah, like what is he doing that's making money? Do you think it's like a private company would have the tech for early detection of tornadoes? And then they would charge the government for that, whereas, like, Joe and Bill would just give it straight. Well, he's trying to prove his shit so that he can sell it.

This is why we needed more scenes with Jonas. We need him being like, yo, Bill. Yeah, the economics for this. Really interesting. Whoever. That's the same. Guy Jeff Bezos. He's starting Amazon.

He also cares about the weather. The scene is him trying to get corrupt Bill to the dark side of storm chasing with the bread. And Bill says no. Yeah. And Bill says the last time I was at this bar, I had two waitresses at the same time. You ever seen The Godfather? I've afraid of this place that I threw up myself. Frayal,

extreme. Oh, man. I wonder if people are going to be disappointed because we're way more interested in this big version of Twister than actually addressing Twister. Joe's kind of black on. That's right.

Felicia Rashad, Joe's black on. Straight off Cosby. Oh, my God. I have two more in answerable. Is this movie better if one of the inner circle dies? No. Do the stakes change at all? I don't think so.

My answer is no, but I wanted to talk about it. If Preacher died, I think it would have been like the level of character you'd be comfortable dying. But I don't know if it's the kind of movie you just like want all the time if it has a bunch of deaths in it. Like Preacher just gets decapitated by that thing. It's a different movie at that point. You know, I agree. The tornadoes are dangerous in the movie, but almost as a distraction. I mean, they're dangerous.

To the rom-com that is actually happening. Right. What's his face dies? And that kind of sets the stakes that you could die doing it. What is the single scariest disaster of all the possible movie disasters for you personally? Oh, wow. Good question. Earthquake, tornado, hurricane.

For me, it's tsunami. I don't understand the tsunamis. Sunamis just sound... Is it just like a big-ass wait? Like, what is it? Like, tsunami happens, and that's basically it. It's an earthquake underwater. I know it's an earthquake underwater.

But you don't know all of a sudden, this wave, and then just every... There's water. I really, I really don't like earthquakes. Like, when we've been here for bad ones, I really don't like the rolling. And then I get, like, a little freaked out about how L.A. is like, it's a desert on one side and an ocean on the other side, and you're kind of stuck here. Yeah. Earthquakes for you. You. Earthquoise. It's the tornado for me because the tornado is so unpredictable and violent.

It just shifts and it just whips your, and you have to make a split decision. I guess what the earthquake you do too. You have to make a split decision about what you're going to do. So like with the tornado, at least I can get in my car and drive as fast as possible and maybe try to escape it. That would be the last thing you do, but yeah. That's what you don't want to do that? No, you. I just think I could just see you being like, Tornado, I'm getting. in the car. I'm going this way.

What is it for you, Craig? Earthquake. I think you have some sense of agency in a tornado. You at least, like Bill said, you at least think you could escape. Yeah, it's fucking crazy when the ground is rolling in an earthquake.

I really don't like that. Nobody's ever come up with the right people when they talk about earthquakes. Oh, standing a door free. Get under the doorway. It's like, that's fucking not. I don't, there's no place to go that you feel good in an earthquake.

Fun topic. Best double feature choice. It's got to be speed, right? She's the Jan DuB double feature. You could do JDB. You could do

I had a, I had a, I had, I had independent stage just because same summer. Disaster. Yeah.

Deep impact. Oh no, this movie is Deep Impact. I like Deep Impact. The Indian Red Zawantene Award for what happened the next day. I just don't think

Bill and Joe lasts. No, the extreme, he becomes Rob Marciano like way before he, you know, like he just starts to be like the hot guy

who's like in stores. And who is Joe? now that she's seen the F5, what happens to her? What are her next couple years look like? I mean, to be honest with you, she's been chasing her trauma for so long. She got to it. Now she's kind of fucked. Yeah, now it happens.

I do think that something happens. I think they get pregnant. I think there's just so much fucking for the next five to six months. I think they get pregnant. And then after the baby's poor for a little while, they're probably get a divorce. But there's definitely a kid. And really, that's what Twisters should have been. Is there kids?

It should have been their kids. who is now chasing the story. I don't even know. Is it not that? I don't think so. I always thought Glenn Powell was their kid. Is he their kid? I think there's some sort of connection.

Oh, could be. Because there's a different kind of Dorothy in this one, except this Dorothy can destroy the twist. What piece of memorabilia would you want from this movie? Philip Seymour Hoffman's Oklahoma Sooner's hat. Oh. That's a good one. We ruled out cars for this category,

but the Dodge Ram that they used would be a good one to have. It's like the fourth time you've mentioned the Dodge Ram. You really fucking with it. Bill, why don't you get your truck, bro? Get a truck, Bill, get a truck, bro. I like the F-150 more than the Dodger. Okay. Guys, don't do this to me.

I'm going to be Googling this shit tonight. Bill, I'm seriously. Where it would park it. Get the truck. You got, you get the truck, man. On a weekend, you out of your truck. Man, come driving my truck with me. The Coach Finstock Award, best life lesson.

Stop living the past and look what you got right in front of you. That's right. Here we are. Who won the movie? The tornadoes. The tornadoes. It was the tornadoes. The tornadoes did.

Really? Yeah. Why are you going to say Paxton? I think the whole movie, I would say that the whole movie changed the tornado situation forever. Why not Yon Dubon? Just because he pushed a couple buttons. I mean, he made some really great movies in the 90s. It was good.

You know what's interesting? I think you're right. It's the tornadoes. But as the years pass, Hoffman's performance is the most fascinating because he turned out to be one of the greatest actors the last 40 years. What are the great choices with like the fucking Baja, the Sooners hat, the crazy outfits he's wearing? His energy in all the scenes where he's just like, my part, they gave me nothing except my name's dusty and I'm a little crazy. When we skipped the result award, I was going to say the two moments that are the fucking best moments are him when he realizes the storm is going for Meg's town. Yeah.

And he has to tell Joe. And then when Joe is in the ambulance with Meg, and Hoffman's like, I hate to tell you this, but an F5 is about to fucking hit. Like somewhere else, we got to go. Like, it's just expository dialogue, but done really well. Craig, what are your thoughts?

You know, I've never seen it. What? I know. Yeah. Or if I did, I don't remember seeing it. Yeah, maybe I think I might be just moving into a different stage in my life, but like I have, and maybe I just have like 90s nostalgia glasses on, but this is like everything I want in a movie.

Yeah. Tight, under two hours. Simple, kind of basically just one storyline. You buy the emotion. They set it up quick. The ice cold beer of movies. Yeah. It's the perfect blend of CGI and practical effects this era,

late 90s, early 2000s. And also, so I watched this movie on a plane. And we need to make a list of movies that are enhanced by turbulence. Interesting. Oh. I was like a little bummer. on the way to Wyoming, and I was like,

this is making this movie go from a 9 to a 10 for me. Wow. You know, the F5's hitting, I'm rattling a little bit. Were you just watching on the back of the seat? What? Screen, or did you have like an iPad? On an iPad. Okay.

And I'm rattling, the heart rate's a little elevated in a plane just naturally. There's certain movies that just hit a little harder on the plane. I think all the Fast and Furious movies are like that. They're better on planes. They are. Craig, I got to tell you something, bro. We used to just have fun at the movies, man. Craig needs a plane to feel something.

thing when he watches a movie. Did you think, did Hoffman leap out to you as, like, being awesome in this movie? No. I'm going to, I was a big thing. This was since you just asked.

Do it. I thought we were going to do this for the overacting work, because he does dial it up twice. The extreme! I haven't seen every Hoffman movie, obviously, but Magnolia, Boogie Knights,

Ripley, along came Polly, Twister. I personally don't have a huge relationship to Hoffman. I kind of feel like he's the same guy when he's playing this supporting character in all these movies.

But that's what character actors kind of do a little bit. If Sean was here, I was just about to say, somebody go get shot. This really is like the hottest fucking take is I've ever been. Oh my God. Look, I've seen like the master. He's incredible in that. I'm not, but every supporting role, Hoffman, he's kind of just

like this like goofy, weird, energetic. To me, he's just the same guy. So you think, just real quick, you think Philip Seymour Hoffman is the same actor in Boogie Knights that he is in the talented Mr. Ripley. I wouldn't throw on Ripley in that, but I could see the Boogie Knights' twister sentiment of a woman. He's just always like the weird

goofy loner guy who's like in the group, but he's no one's actually his friend. And he's always that guy as a supporting character in every movie. He's like the weird guy of the group. He's so lucky. This is buried so late in the pods. They'll never let him back on Letterbox. Did you pick up from the movie at all What we got obsessed with about like Bill drinking and being like a party animal and getting

Fradowing? Yeah, a little bit. I don't know if I went as far as to think of the Frado stuff But yeah, you know I wanted to ask about Paxton And how famous he and Hunt were when this movie came out. Were they a draw or was it like tornadoes? I just think it's like a time with the game.

Game manager thing. But it was also like coming off of Jurassic Park where it was like Sam Neal and Laura Dern were like well known but not famous. People were not going to see Sam Neal. Smart way to do it because then the other thing, we should have mentioned it's the top. Part of the marketing of the movie was the thing and not the actors. These two haven't had a big chance like this yet. And then it's like the Bill Pasteryster.

Yeah. But I mean, a couple of years later and I don't know what actually the next year, Titanic comes out. And that's a huge movie about the boat. And those two people, even our DiCaprio was a known actor, but those two people are not like A-list stars at the time. But what I like about Twister... It became the playbook for it.

Star Wars did it too with Hayden, Christensen, and Natalie Port. But what I like about Twister, I mean, Titanic's obviously great too, but they make, I mean, Leo's a heartthrob in Titanic. I don't feel like they make Bill Paxton a heartthrob in this movie. Yeah, you know? They don't go too much into that. He's the steady hand. Yeah.

Yeah. That's why he's kind of the Brock Purdy, because he's the steady hand. The guy is not going to make the mistake and it's going to get you to the end. Or the Gardnermanship. What you don't want to do is overpay, like, the Eagles of Jalen Hertz

where you're paying somebody $50 million to be the lead on the poster, but you really could have paid $20. You know what I mean? Stuff. He'll figure it out. Chris, you got Paul George. Why he's so salty? The Big Three is back.

Philly Sports is looking up. The Phillies' Sports pod? The Phillies look good. Yeah, the Phillies do look half the teams hurt. You got Caleb Barton stole him from the heat? It's happening.

No? No, I'm just waiting for... I'm just trying to cheer you up. Yeah, I don't need cheering up. Just saw Twister with my guys. Thought we were friends. This podcast was produced by Craig Horrobeck. That was Twister.

You can watch this on the Ringer Movies YouTube channel as well. Thursday. Rewatchable's 1999. What do we have? For Love of the Game? Yeah, that's Thursday from the...

We taped it in 2018. Kevin Costner. I have a lot of Kelly Preston thoughts on that podcast. Is he a horizon? Not a performance. Did you go back to make sure they're ripe for mass consumption? I think they were because 2018 wasn't that long ago. Yeah.

Yeah, that movie's a baseball movie that also has this rom-com trapped into it. And the baseball movies a million times more interesting than the rom-com part. Anyway, good to see you guys. See you. Nice to see you, Bill.