The Rewatchables - ‘Unfaithful’ with Bill Simmons and Wesley Morris

Episode Date: September 15, 2020

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons and the New York Times’ Wesley Morris don’t make mistakes, there are no mistakes, only things you do, and don’t do. We rewatch the romantic drama ‘Unfaithful’ starring Diane Lane, Richard Gere, and Oliver Martinez. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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discover more on TikTok. Coming up. Having an affair is nothing like taking a pottery class. Unfaithful is next. From the director of fatal attraction and indecent proposal comes unfaithful. It's a scorcher, says Rolling Stone magazine. Stunning, powerful, sexy and smart, says Newsweek. Fascinating, steamy, profound, declares the New York observer, sensational, Raves Entertainment Weekly

and the New York Times calls it explosive. You'll watch it with your heart and your throat. Unfaithful. Rated R. Now playing only in theaters. All right.

My old Grantland colleague, Wesley Morris, is here. He writes for the New York Times. He has a podcast called Still Processing. He loves movies about adultery, people being unfaithful, sex movies.

This kind of qualifies as a sex movie. This hits a lot of your checkpoints. I'm going to start here. Is this the best ever version of a lifetime movie? Is this the most overqualified lifetime movie anyone's ever made? Ooh. I mean, there's some good candidates for this one. I mean,

Fatal Traction would be the championship belt holder. But this is in the final four. Bill, I think I'm going to upset a lot of people by saying this. But isn't, I think Beaches might be the like all-time title holder. beaches. It's beaches. That's a good call. It's even got built-in commercial break moments. All right. Very fair. I want to start here. And we'll get into why we pick this movie a little bit later. But I really wanted to do a Diane Lane movie and dive into this because I'm fascinated by her career. And she's unbelievable in this movie. And I do think sometimes you can have a movie where performance is great, but the movie's not great. Yes. And I think her performance. Her performance is great in this movie, but it makes me think like, we always like to compare actors and actresses to athletes on this show

because sports and pop culture to my passions. She reminds me of a great athlete who never found the right team. Yep. Ding, ding, ding. Who, if you did her career 50 times, there are some other versions where she's one of the most important actresses we have. And I don't feel like that's an overstatement, right? Right. But I've been thinking about Diane Lane

about like why like why she didn't become one of the great movie stars. And I think it, yes, she is, she would definitely, she's one of those people who never found the right team. She's like been to a bunch of finals and like never crossed,

or like some semi-finals, you know? Right. But never quite got to like a conference championship or an actual final. I feel like part of the problem is, and you really experience it watching Unfaithful, is she doesn't seem like an actress. She's got this very sort of natural quality about her that is so, it's not, it's different from Sally Field and Hillary Swank. and to some extent, you know, like the characters, the people that Chatwick Boseman would turn into, like there's a goodness that comes through those people, right? Like Hillary Swank is just purely good.

Tom Hanks has a little bit of this, a lot of this too. But Diane Lane, it's not goodness that comes through you, but it's an immense likeability that is so, she just seems like she should have any other job than the job of movie star. And it just really works for her. She just has these like, she's got these little lips and these... She's got a little scar of her right eye.

Yeah, she's got this hard look. And I think there's something... She's always... Her characters are always thinking about what they're going to do before they do it. Like always. She's one of those people who overpowers her, Diane Lane, overpowers whatever character she's trying to play.

Like when she was in Perfect Storm and she had the Boston accent, which wasn't great. But it was like, hey, that's Diane Lane doing a Boston accent. I never felt like she was playing a character. When it works for her, it's always a movie like this or a movie like The Under the Tuscan Sun or Walk in the Moon. She's basically just Diane Lane. And it's like this super sexualized, compassionate, there's some damage.

There's some story from the past. That's it. It's like some skeleton or baggage. But there's a good person inside and you can read everything with her eyes. And when the right director movie taps into it, she feels like she's one of the biggest stars in the world. This movie, she got nominated for an Oscar for it. And it makes sense. The damage is so crucial, Bill.

That's, I mean, that's it. none of the other people I just named Hillary Swank, Sally Field, Tom Hanks, Chabric Bozeman, those people do not have, they don't bring some pre-existing thing with them that a movie never has to tap into but you as an audience know it's there

and it just creates a sympathy. I just feel like the woman, whoever Diane Lane is, there's something that you want to protect her from. And I think that the damage part is such a, that's just, my mind is a little bit blown right now because it really reframes, like maybe I thought this, but I definitely have never articulated what you just said. And I think it really accounts for the closeness that I feel, the irrational closeness I feel

for her, even when she's not in a movie I like, which is actually, you know, to be fair, quite often. Most of her movies, yeah. Well, you wrote a great piece about Chadwick Bozeman. That was proud of you. That was a really good one, especially very close to when he died. And I don't know, I was waiting here what you were going to say. And it was really good. And we talked about no matter what movie he was in, he carried a certain dignity with him.

That is a really hard thing for an actor to not only just achieve, but protect over the course of like five, six, seven years. And I think some actors and actresses, and it's not a lot. bring some quality with them that you become attached to. And for Chadwick Boseman, it was that. You just liked him. He always felt like he was above the material no matter what it was. And when Diane Lane, it was the same thing where she's just beautiful. But there's something you want to protect with her.

Yes. And she's been that way, by the way, since the 80s. Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't remember. I mean, do you, did you, do you remember where you were when you first saw a little romance? I saw it in the theater. And that's what I wanted to go through this because it's really important to put her career into context talking about, you know, playing for the wrong team because she was basically

LeBron. She was the high school prodigy. But in this case, she's in a little romance. She's on the cover of Time magazine and she's in a movie with Sir Lawrence Olivier. That's a really good movie, by the way. It still holds up. It's a little weird. It's a little dated.

It's a little weird. But it's still a great movie. But she's really good in it. And it sets up this. Oh, my God. is going to be the next great actress we have. And then in 83, she's in The Outsiders and she's in Rumblefish. And she has a key part in the outsiders because it's this movie that has the next generation

of great actors. And she's the one actress. And it sets up this whole path where she could have been basically the queen of the brat pack and, you know, had the Demi Moore part in about last night and, you know, had one of the, had the Ali Sheedy part and St. Almost Fire, whatever. You could just put her in all of these major. popcorn movies. And this is where it gets weird. Because in 84 and 85, she makes streets of fire and she makes the Cotton Club, which are streets of fire is like a semi-legendary disaster.

Cotton Club is like, I think they've made documentaries about what a disaster was. Yes. But they're in that frame. Turn down the hooker part and risky business, the Rebecca DeMornery part. Did she? Okay, this stuff I don't know. This is all going to be used. So I did deep dive on this because I was like, what happened? So she turns down risky business because she doesn't want to play a hooker. And that's a, you know, a starman. making part with Tom Cruise. And then turns down Splash,

turns down the mermaid. That Darrell Hannah. So those are two huge ones. All right. So then doesn't go well. She gets out acting for a couple of years. Comes back late 80s. Still on my radar, by the way,

as, you know, a kid in's 80s. I'm like, where'd she go? Can she come back in my life? She's in the big town with Matt Dillon. She's in Lady Beware, which was like a pseudo-erotic thriller. Lady Beware.

She's pretty good in that one. And then Lonesome Dove on TV, she wins an Emmy. But during that time, turned down Kellyn McGillis' role in the accused, turned it down. I did not know that. And was supposed to be in Pretty Woman instead of Julia Roberts. Stop it. Schedule conflicts.

Had to drop out of the movie. They had already done all her costumes and stuff. And then they go get Julia. I did not know this. Yeah. She was going to play a prostitute and Pretty Woman, but not in risky business. Okay. Think of those four movies.

Just those four movies. Risky Business, Splash the accused, Pretty Woman. But let me tell you. She's on the door for each one. Here's the thing. This is why I love Diane Lane.

Because she knew that she would not have made sense in any of those movies. Maybe the accused, that's the only one that would have made sense. A risky business. Risky business, she could have 100% pulled up. She could have done that.

She could have done that. But, okay, so Pretty Woman is just a no. She could not. Like, they would have had. They would have had to kept that movie an R-rated movie. But, you know, because they changed the ending. Pretty Woman's... When she was almost in it, it was much darker.

That was when they were not... It had not been Disney-fied yet. Right. So Pretty Woman, she would make sense in the R-rated version of that movie that never... I don't know. I haven't even think they made it. No, they did. And what's the other thing that she...

Well, we had the accused. Accused, Risky Business, Pretty Woman. I didn't think Kelly McGillis was that good in the accused. She didn't get nominated, but I think the Diane Lane piece would have been interesting. She wasn't good enough if you had nominated. No, but I think she didn't lose anything by not taking that part.

But what's the fourth movie? There's another one. With Risky Business Splash, the accused of Pretty Woman. There's another one. She would have made no sense in that movie. There's a kind of, I mean, it would have been an acting challenge for her. Because if we're talking about a person

who had figured herself out, she would have known that she couldn't have been that kind of like, you know if the other thing that, your thing about damage is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, is, right. And the thing about Splash is that, that woman has to be surprised by everything. Right. By, by, by, the female star, remember that movie Starman? It's like, yes, yes, yes, exactly. Diane Lane has a world weariness that you, there, it's hard to surprise her. Um, It's hard for her to be believably surprised, which is why she's so good and unfaithful

and why she's so good and under the Tuscan sun, which is that she doesn't see what's happening to her coming, and it's a personal surprise. Like she didn't know she had in her what the movie brings out of her. Well, so we go to the 90s, and she's just in crap. Yeah. She's in movies like Judge Dread and things like that. for just years and years.

What is Stallone girlfriend, though? Like, she could have just been Stallone, Stallone female counterparts forever, I feel. She goes for the Kelly Preston part, Jerry McGuire. And Cameron Crowe gives it to Kelly Preston. That could have been another good one for her. Kelly Preston's good in that movie. Yes.

That's another one of Smoking Hot 80s actress. So I'm not against that one. It doesn't really start happening for her until 90 now when she does a walk on the moon. walk on the moon. And people are like, oh, what's going on here? But yet she still does perfect storm. And then she ends up in hardball,

which is a beloved terrible Keanu Reeves baseball movie. And she just has like the nothing female love interest part. But she's basically the lady in unfaithful, but just trapped in this weird Keanu Reeves little movie. And at that point, it just is like, all right, this just wasn't ever going to happen. And then in 2002, unfaithful happens. Yeah.

And we go, whoa, Oscar. I want to say that the thing about the perfect storm that I think sets up unfaithful is, I don't know if you remember this, but you remember the last shot of that movie? Perfect Storm, yeah. Yeah. Do you remember what it is? Isn't it Diane Lane superimposed over like over the storm or over like the ocean or something?

And she turns around and looks at them. Maybe I dreamt this. Is this not the last year? I don't remember that. Yeah, I don't remember that being the last shot. I feel like the last shot, there's some shot in that movie of her, like, being longed for turning around and facing the camera from the back and just being this object of, of, like, this beacon of hope or something. But I, there's no way I made that up, because it's a ridiculous shot. I think that people were just ready. Somebody in Hollywood was ready to reconsider her. And I think she was ready.

Well, I don't know. She worked all the time, but I don't know. I feel like her, I interviewed her when this, when under the Tuscan Sun came out, I have no memory of it except that like I met Diane Lane once. And she was very kind. And I think I might have just slobbered all over her. Because just I couldn't believe. Because, you know, it's funny.

Like, she is the same person in a hotel, conference room as she is in the movies. And I don't want to say that it's like 100%, but the thing that that draws you to her is that there just is no, there's no nonsense or business or anything. She just is, that's what she is. So she gets nominated. In 2003, Nicole Kidman wins for the hours. I can't even with these. It's Nicole Kidman, Julianne Moore. Julianne for Far from Heaven.

Renee Zellwigger for Chicago. Salma Hayek for Frida. Yeah. I mean, Julianne for unfaithful. Julianne Moore should have won that Oscar. Okay. Number two is a tie for me between, oh, you know, I really like René Zellweger in Chicago.

I got to say. Like, that performance is freaky as hell. But they're all five of those, well, I don't like the hours at all. I really just don't like it. I didn't like anything. And I don't think Nicole Kidman should have won for that. Well, so once that happens, at least everybody who had Diane Lane stock for 20 plus years, I just feel like if you're going back last 40 years, certain types of actresses who,

when you're in a movie theater, they just jumped off the screen. Kathleen Turner was like that for, I'm going to say, eight, nine years. You know, like even romance in the Stone, she was so beautiful in that. And she was just had such electricity to her and such energy. Yes. And such charisma. And you're just like every time Sharon Stone was like that in a bunch of movies before Basic Instinct. She was like that in Action Jackson.

Yes. She was like that in Total Recall. We're just like, man, who is this? And it's a pretty rare quality when an actress can kind of steal every scene by that. where you're just like, wow, what's her backstory? What's going on with her? That's, yeah. I don't feel like there's a lot.

Who would you say currently has that quality? In 2020. It's not, it's not a long list. No, it's very short. You know, another controversial selection, I would say Rachel Weiss has that. Ooh. Where it's not like Kathleen Turner. You know, she's British.

So it's not like Kathleen Turner's or, Sharon Stones or Diane Lane's, like, I don't, the Brits sort of make a version of that, but they don't, they just, they wind up on TV. Like, England has never given us a movie person who has the thing that Diane Lane has. Maybe Julie Christie, but Julie Christie also. For me, one million thousand hundred could trillion present Julie Christie. Julie Christie in the 70s? Oh, my God.

Yeah, but Julie Christie, though, Julie Christie was mysterious in a way that no, movie ever made ever got to the bottom of. And I think maybe that's the key to her stardom. But it also made her impenetrable. I wouldn't say... What about the Donald Sutherland movie? I thought that happened into it. Yeah. Yeah. I think that that's... That's close enough. But she was never... She never... She was never... She was never... She couldn't have made unfaithful Julie Christie. Like, it just would have been... She would... She doesn't... She doesn't make those kinds of mistakes.

There's something about Julie Christie that is just impervious. Even when she's making a mistake, I would have to find another word besides mistake because it just seems like that that's not what she's doing. You know, it's funny, like Jennifer Aniston is somebody who doesn't have the quality Diane Lane has. No. But Jennifer Aniston has tried to be this,

tried to be a Diane Lane character in a couple different movies. And there's that one piece missing? Yes, yes. It's just like, I'm not buying it. I don't think you're damaged like this. And I don't know. know. But conversely, I think the thing that lets Jennifer Aniston be Jennifer Aniston is that she has no damage and she has no, there's nothing, there's no backstory that you want to know about anything Jennifer Aniston does. It's just all right there on the surface. There's so many questions with Diane Lee. We can tell, and they all, I ask every one of them when I watch this movie. There's so many like wise and hows and unfaithful that, let's just, let's just keep going. Let's just keep going. Another one that had it...

Carrie Washington had it a little bit for me for a few years, where you're reading her face and you feel like she's not telling you stuff, there's more going on, like in her eyes and her face and you can kind of see through it. She's that weird Chris Rock movie where it's like, I think I love my wife or whatever. Oh, oh, or she's the fantasy.

That's another French movie remake. Carrie Washington's like out of control of that movie. I think she's really good. That movie is not a great movie, but she's really good. So anyway, Diane Lane, here's my ultimate take on her. Okay. If she gets the Ellen Pompeo part in Grey's Anatomy, she's kind of the well-over-qualified Ellen Pompeo,

if that show had happened five years earlier, and she's the up-and-coming doctor. Oh, my God. She just sort of been on TV, just crushing it, making 20 million a year for 15 years. Oh, my God, Bill. And they could have made movies on the side. Like, she actually should have been a TV actress who did movies.

Bill, Bill, wait. There's, you just unlocked a whole, like, like, avenue to walk down for one second. So let's just go one block. Okay. Ellen Pompeo. She has all of the qualities, like a lot of the qualities Diane Lane does have. And yet, and I, I'm not a big graze watcher. I don't, I've watched maybe like three total seasons of that.

show. But I find Ellen Pompeo sort of on the show. I find her character insufferable. Like, I can't bear anything that, any situation that character gets put in, I don't care. Meredith Gray is just not interesting to me. There's no mystery there. If Diane Lane was playing her, she'd be interesting to you. It would be the number one show. in my life, maybe of all time. Because I think the stupid stuff they ask Ellen Pompeo to do, and they've been asking her to do the whole time, is it just would seem kind of credible

if Diane Lane had to figure out how to act it. Wow, that's a good one. I mean, because, you know, the other place you just took me a little bit was she also was somebody of things that go in different would have wound up on a soap opera, like a daytime soap or a nighttime soap. and she would have been, she would have a pile of Emmys

because she'd be the best actress in daytime. But her edge is a little bit too hard. And she's a little bit... Well, you know what other part would have worked? Jenny Gump. You really thought about this. I do. She's one of my favorite actresses. It bothers me that she wasn't in more really good stuff.

That's why I used to sports comparisons at the top because I'm always confused with Hollywood sometimes where... Jenny Gump. How much luck goes into who makes it. And she made it. She's an Oscar nominee. She had a great career.

But like who really makes it versus who doesn't seems like it's so flimsy. I've got a question for Diane Lane. Yeah. How many times has somebody told Diane Lane to dye her hair? How many times do you think that somebody was like, if you were blonde, your problems will be solved, ma'am? God, that's one of her best qualities. I don't tell me I'm with you

but I'm saying I wonder if if some of what kind of kept her true to herself and kept her out of some of these parts that made other people stars was not just the fact that she knew she would have been wrong for them

I think it's also that she wasn't a blonde I mean most of the parts that were talking about other people having taken or things she was considered for or things you think she'd be good in for all parts played by blonde people. Well, let's take a break and talk about Adrian Line. Oh, sure.

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Not surprised at all. Just nice, full, robust beer. Of course. Cool sky in the world, it's going to happen. You can be cool too. Pick up a pack or get it delivered. Get Heineken brought to you whatever your style is. And drink responsibly. All right. So we're talking about Diane. Adrian Lyne spots something in her.

He sees it. He's like us. He's like, you know what? She hasn't met in the right movie. I like to think that it's just me, you and Adrian Lyon, line. She's the three of us.

It's the three of us. We're the only ones who saw. He's coming off. I mean, nine and a half weeks, fatal traction, indecent proposal, Lolito, which we no longer discuss, and unfaithful. He makes five movies basically based on sex, bad choices, impulse. Yep. And this is his wheelhouse.

This is what he does. He never makes another movie until this year apparently has what coming out in November with Ben Affleck and the lady from Knives. Oh, Anadayamas. Yeah. So he's an 18-year hiatus is coming back. He is a unique filmmaker that I cannot even compare to anybody else. I know he's near and dear to your heart.

Give us the 90-second recap on Adrian Line. 90-second recap. Visual guy, commercial director. Did a lot of TV ads. Is this British? British. I would call him, like, if a French director, if Claude Chabrole actually, whose movie Unfaithful is a remake of, one of his movies, if Claude Chabrole and Alfred Hitchcock had a baby,

then just, like, put him in the British foster care system, and that guy was raised in a whorehouse, that's Adrian Lye. That's good. That was well done. I feel like... I would say one of the horniest directors of all time. Yes. I feel like he, the knock on Adrian line is that he's all flash and no substance. He comes out of the same filmmaking approach as the Scott brothers, where, you know, they're really inventive with the camera. They have a real understanding of how good editing should work, not for storytelling, but for audience seduction. They understand kind of the brain chemistry. of a good, of a well-edited movie.

Well, that's everything in Paul's apartment, right? Right. The smoky apartment with all the books and the close-ups of them reading Braille and everything is about seduction. Yeah. And take your coat off, close-up of the coat being slowly taken off the shoulder.

Like, that dude is one of a cut. Yeah. Anvicoats, by the way, the great late Anvicodes edited this movie. And it's one of our best jobs because so much, much of what's enjoyable about it is the atmosphere that gets created around, you know, in his

apartment, you know, that, I mean, I, we talked about this before when I couldn't remember who edited this. I was shocked to, I was disappointed that I couldn't remember who edited this last time we talked about this movie. I don't remember why we talked about it, but that, the famous train sequence, which we'll talk about later, but I mean, I don't agree with her choices in that, in that sequence, but having watched this like a fourth time for our conversation, I'm going to just cede the floor to Anne V. Coates because she knew what she was doing. I get it now what I, what offended me before about that, about that train sequence. Adrian Line, the other other thing is, you know, his being a kind of Hitchcock impersonator, but not as good as like a Brian DePalma,

say, or at M. Knight Sharmelon is that, he doesn't have any depth, or he's not interested in psychology. And so he kind of is living, he's attracted to a particular kind of movie, but he's living and dying by the quality of the screenplays. And I would say, of all his movies,

he got two good screenplays. You're going to die when I say it. Well, you won't die of this. I like Lolita. I think that Lolita adaptation is pretty good. I think Fatal Attraction's a really good script, and I think nine and a half weeks is a good script. I would say he's really good at pulling

truly memorable performances out of actors. Who, when you look back at their career, you're like, oh, wow, that was one of their best movies. Yeah, he's a good director. He did that over and over again. Even Mickey Work and Kim Basinger, like, he tapped into pieces of, and that's a really weird movie.

It's one of my mom's favorite movies. This is one of the reasons why I'm so weird. He taps into Kim Basinger, who only a couple directors really untapped correctly. Right. Because in the wrong hand, And she's just a bad actress. A lot of wrong hands for poor Kim Basie.

A lot of wrong hands, unfortunately. Much like Diane Lane. Yeah. But the thing about Kim Basinger, though, is that she doesn't have, oh, man, they're pretty similar Diane Lane and Kim Basinger, except the percentages are off with Kim Basinger, right? She's more, she's more va-va-voom than Diane Lane is. Diane Lane seems like she's not an actress, but she's a school teacher who wound up in a movie. Right. She's your kid's fourth grade teacher. Rachel Ward was like that too.

That was another one. Oh, Rachel Ward. Rachel Ward, I never felt like she was an actual actress. They just kept grabbing her from restaurants. Because they don't, she isn't, there's nothing showy about Rachel Ward doesn't have anything showy about her. Diane Lane doesn't have like an Oscar moment. And if she does have like an Oscar clip moment, it's, it's something, it's very interior. But she's not somebody who's going to, who's going to give like a, you know, like a yelling, screaming, shouting speech. She's all body, body language and facial reactions. And it's just I have a great Kim Basinger theory for you. Oh, sure.

Born 40 years too late. Oh, yes. Absolutely. She should have, she should have been a peaking actress in like 1946. Yep. But she, but look, she would have been, she would have had a market correction. Veronica Lake. Marilyn Monroe. pre- Maryland Monroe. I think she could have gotten a jump on Maryland by about 10 years. Yeah. During that kind of Ava Gardner era.

All right. Well, Ava Gardner, Veronica Lake. I mean, she would have had a little bit of trouble trying to like make things happen for herself there. But that's a good idea. One other thing we should mention about Adrian Lyne. He's in this era. You know, you think about nine and a half weeks is 86, fatal traction is 87. This is like the video rental HBO Cinemats.

starting to come on era where either you're going to the dark side, you're just buying porn. You're buying magazines or you're going to the rental store. You're going to the back room and rent a couple. Or you're watching these kind of angel heart, these kind of movies. Like it's kind of you're dipping your foot in the, dipping your toe in the water. And these movies are really pushing the envelope. And they're, they have this outsized market share that I think starts to go away once we hit the mid-2000s. Once

actual internet porn comes in, you don't need Adrian Line. Adrian Line's just not going to have the same impact. It's not going to, it's not going to be as like, whoa, people are having sex in a movie. It's like, people are all numb to this shit now. They were not numb and even in as late as 2002, I don't think. No, but there was something that I think started to shift. I think you got increasingly fewer of these movies. And the internet was obviously upon us at this point.

But I think culturally that the Clinton Lewinsky scandal also ended the erotic thriller. I think that we got really prudish in 98, like at the end of the 90s. And I think that having gone through that and then September 11th happening, like right after, I just think we never got a chance to reset our relationship to sex. And I think we just, like, sex just dropped out, like, like sex in popular culture and entertainment just dropped out of American popular. Also, weirder to go see movies like this in a movie theater as the years passed in the 21st century.

Yeah. Well, I mean, all the moral issues, but those don't start to creep in until I would say. The moral issues, I'm just saying, like, people being used to being in their house watching whatever they want.

And now I'm in a room with 70 other people watching Diane Lane and Olivia Martinez going at it in the hallway. It's just a little different than, I remember seeing basic instinct in the theater in Worcester in the early 90s. And it was just like, yeah, all right. Everybody remembers. You just saw whatever. Joe Hassel and I saw Sliver in the theater.

Sliver. Afternoon movie. For all those people who say they saw sliver in the movie theater and that movie was not a hit, who's lying? That movie was a hit. That movie actually people saw that movie. Because wasn't a hit. I can't remember.

I feel like it was. I feel like it wasn't as big as big as people wanted it to be then. Because everybody I know was like, I was there opening weekend. It's like, but were you because... Jesus, it made $123.9 million in 1993. Worldwide, right? That's the, that's the international gross. That's pretty good.

That's with the internet. Yeah, I just feel like it... Okay, whatever. She was a star and she was... Whatever her next movie was going to be a huge movie. Yes, yes, yes, that's true. She'd hit that point. We're all there.

Yeah. All right. Before we get to the categories, a couple quick things. This movie was $50 million budget, made $119 million worldwide. Roger Ebert, three stars. Quote, instead of pumping up the plot with recycled manufactured thrills, it's content to contemplate two reasonably sane adults who get themselves into an almost insoluble dilemma. So the big, there are two different things going on with this actual movie,

And we can criticize some of the things about the movie in the second. One was the studio is battling with Adrian Lyon about the couple's relationship. Why is she cheating? And there was an early draft. Richard Geer said that they had a dysfunctional sexual relationship, which gave Connie a reason to go cheat on him. And the studio wanted to change it so that they were having no sex at all. That's why she cheated.

and that Connie would be more sympathetic. And then gear and line together were like, no, that's actually not how it should go. They should have a good relationship. That should be why it's so riveting that she is willing to throw this all away. It's like you seem like you have a good relationship. You have a good life. What's making you do this? And Lyon said, I wanted two people who were perfectly happy.

I love the idea of the totally arbitrary nature of infidelity. It's a pretty interesting topic for a movie. Yeah. Here's what I would say to that, though. It does a lot of cheating to still get you to think that something is wrong, right? It places some sort of societal value judgment on the suburbs versus the city, for one thing. Too quiet, those suburbs. Right, right.

It's just sleeping. can do today. I don't know. Right. They just seem like they might be a bored married couple. I mean, I wrote in my notebook. Are they bored? They seem bored. And I feel like the movie is sort of

it's slightly rigged to get you to root for the affair. Because it's just more fun than what she's got going on and home. Oh yeah. And I don't like that. I wish that they had lived like like in Tribeca and he had lived in Soha.

Right. Or like they had lived. You know. Right. Why do I mean, are they in Connecticut or Hudson Valley? I can't figure out which I can't. She goes to Grand Central Station.

Right. Yeah. Hudson Valley. She goes to Grand Central. But I can't quite figure out which town it is. But I mean, again, also, this is a fatal attraction. Every, he is, he is, if he's not consciously referring to fatal attraction, The movie is, the fatal attraction is so in his brain

that there's so many fatal attraction references in this movie that it's impossible for him. He's such a control artist in some ways that there's no way he does not know all of the fatal attraction references in Unfaithful, Adrian Lime. Right. And I feel like, right. And I feel like the idea that you're going to give us

a movie about a woman who cheats and a man who respond. I mean, I just feel like it goes too far in one direction and yet feels sort of psychologically vacant at the same time. So that's the problem with this movie is ultimately why did she do this? And it's never really answered. It would make, like, would it make sense if,

you know, Richard Gears' character is 15 years older. So it's like, oh, good marriage. but I see it. She's a little, he's older. That's a perfect murder. Right. So perfect murder, another one that I was texting you about because I think that movie's got a lot of good pieces in it.

Yeah. If you take a perfect murder and unfaithful and kind of combine the two, there's probably a better movie. That movie grew up in a whorehouse. The other one with this is they could never figure out what the ending was. And initially there was an enigmatic ending.

I'm just, this is all half-fess internet research. He shot five endings just because of his fatal attraction experience. So he wanted to be covered. I don't blame him. Studios like, no, no, the characters have to be punished. And then line-ass gear and Lane to return to L.A. And they actually reshot the ending only a couple weeks before the movie opened the theaters apparently. That ending in the car, that's the new ending that they shot.

And then there's an alternate ending where he gets out of it. They kiss and he gets out of the car and starts walking to the police station. So he looked at those and then he decided he wanted it to be more ambiguous. They're stopped in front of the police station at the red light. Does he get out? Does he not get out? I actually think they should have ended it with the cot with that scene. There's like three scenes before that when they're just working on something in the house

and there's sirens. Oh, yeah. And they both kind of freeze. That's the end of the movie. And then the sirens go by. I would have ended it right. there, right? That's a great ending. Yep. That's the ending I thought I was getting the

last 10 minutes. Yep. No, you don't. Can I ask a question, though? I feel like the problem with this movie for me is I feel like nobody I feel like nobody people, nobody's being honest about what this movie is actually about. What is it about?

Movies about cheating, it's just not, nobody has to die. Like, I just feel like why is somebody dead? Why did somebody die? Like, why isn't this Just a movie about, it's not like fatal attraction where there's a transgression, right? We're like, it's not like Olivier Martinez shows up at the house. He does something bad, but it's a humanly bad thing for her to discover he's doing.

Why is he dead? Like his death makes no sense in the execution or in the screenwriter. Like, it's a badly done murder. and then I don't know how Richard Gear justifies the Richard Gear character justifies the murder. I just don't get it. It's like nobody involved with this movie

wants to be honest about what it is to have an affair or cheat. It's like they've cheated, maybe, but the real thing that should happen to a person who cheats is everybody should suffer. He should suffer for leading her to cheat. She should suffer for having cheated. And the guy, and Olivier Martinez should suffer for having all those dirty-ass books in his house.

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Okay. Most rewatchable scene. We'll do this fast. We have French guy hits on Connie during the windstorm, gets her up to the apartment, hits on her a couple times. Oh, you can come on up and clean it off, no? Come on. I'm not an axe murderer.

I promise. As soon as she goes up there, it's over. I'd like to think my wife wouldn't have gone upstairs. Who knows? Maybe she would have. But I'd like to think she said, no, no, it's good. I'm going to find a cab. I have a cut knee. Isn't she going up the stairs?

It's tough. You mentioned that Connie's trade ride, train ride post-sheet, the flashbacks and all the express she does during that. That's a good one. That's number one. Yeah, I like the scene when she has lunch with her two friends. She's not like that. Of course she is.

That makes it worse. She is nice and she's sweet. And her ass isn't exactly the same place it was when she was in college. And she gets them in the bathroom? Get some in the bathroom and just, it's actually like one of the best written scenes because it actually feels like three friends catching up. And meanwhile, she just boned this guy in the bathroom. Yes.

In the middle of this coffee commercial is, this is Adrian Line, though. I mean, that is like peak Adrian Line. that sequence. It is, it is a, it is a straight up, like, cafe, what is that, cafe, an international coffee. What is that? What is that? Remember those? Oh, what was that guy's name? Jean-Luc. It's one of those commercials with, with banging in the middle. It's like, it's pure Adrian line that sequence. My next one is Edward kills French guy. I really enjoy that scene. You do? I do. I'm not feeling so well

I just I'm not well I'm not feeling well I'm not feeling well I'm not feeling I'm not you start attacking with the snow globe I want to talk about that scene again in a second

then I have Connie confronting Edward because she knows because the snow globe is back in their house and she's staring at him with that damage, Diane Lane, just kind of horrified, but still looking hot look on her face. And then she's like,

tell me what you did. What did you do? Did you hurt him? Huh? Did you hurt him? And he's like, you tell me what you did. You didn't think I'd know.

I knew from the first day. You didn't think I'd know. I couldn't feel it. I knew it from the very first day. Because I know you, Connie. I know you and I fucking hate you. I didn't want to kill him. I wanted to kill you.

I didn't want to kill him. I wanted to kill you. Kill you. It's really good. Oh, yeah. I think the last half hour of this movie is actually pretty good. And then I like the ending, just the ambiguity of it. So you think it's the train.

I really like when he goes. I want to go through when he goes to see the French guy. Okay. Yes, please. Let's walk through that one. Nice wide shot of Soho where he's standing outside the apartment being creepy

then he turns around to go walk in the sidewalk Diane Lane comes running out it's actually cool how they do it then he goes back up and then the whole interaction with the French guy is so weird I kind of feel like he's justified killing him with the snow globe the guy's like kind of a dick

yeah he's a little bit well she told me that what did he say there's so many little dig she told me you're the one who wanted to move Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, he's like, I'm Connie's husband and the guy's just like being like a French asshole. He's like, yeah?

Do you want to come in, have a drink? Like, it's just the whole thing's bizarre. Yes, it's so suburban. It's so suburban. Your life is a pedestrian and board. I've got you. You give me on the weed. And then he's like, it was a gift.

The Snow Globe. And Richard Gears like, I gave this to her. And at that point, it's like, all right, if you kill him, I'm kind of half on board. Like, if they'd have sex with your wife, but she gave him the snow globe he has to die. Again, this is one of those things where, like, if you cast Diane Lane, you have to make every single thing she does that she can't physically do, that we find out she did make sense. I don't believe that Diane Lane would have given him that snow glow. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, that was to buy that in picking nets.

That's a weird one. Like, hey, let me give you this gift that can be directly traced to me. Secondhand gifts? From your husband. What a, fuck you to your husband. From the man you love. Like, I don't think Diane Lane would do that. Yeah.

All right. What's age the best? I like seeing early 2000 Soho. Mm-hmm. The meatpacking district substitute from fatal attraction. I liked, I really like Paul Martel's apartment. Yeah. Adrian Lyon, he's blowing smoke machines in there.

There's all this research about how everybody was getting bronchitis and all the shit from, there was so much smoke because he was, he cared so much about having this musty, the sun coming through the windows look. And meanwhile, they're in that apartment filming for a solid month and like everybody's sick by the end of it. Yeah, I mean, that apartment is the nine and a half weeks and fatal attraction apartments. Not the same, but I mean, that style. Same kind of, yeah. But, you know, I can say that.

this because I once interviewed Adrian Line. Adrian Line lives in one of those apartments. Of course he does. Not surprised to hear that at all. The next one. Oh, Bill. I was really hoping I wouldn't have to listen to any more of this. I think

I'm gonna cheat on you. I'm getting the urges. There's no words to the song, but if there were lyrics, it would be, I have a feeling in my loins. Oh, yeah. You want me to put it in my butts.

I brought some condoms. Oh my gosh. Yeah, good job with the score. It really feels very cheaty. But it doesn't. But again, this is what I don't condone. It is, that is, that is like, what, what tissues is this movie selling? Like, what, what, what, like, what spritzer is that movie selling?

I just don't, it also, I've watched a lot of lesbian movies. That is music from one of the worst movies I've ever seen. Claire, is it Claire of the Moon? Claire of the Moon, one of the worst movies ever made about a lesbian, two women at a writer's retreat who fall in love. Atrocious movie, but that music sounds like it belongs in Claire of the Moon. Anyway, go on. I like any movie where somebody says to an older kind of scary looking guy,

I want you to follow somebody. I want you to follow my wife. When is that ever not led to good stuff in a movie? It's always good 100% of the time. I want you to follow somebody. I want you to follow my wife. Uh-oh. It's on now.

That it's Uncle June. It makes it even crazier. It's Uncle June. So happy to see him. I like when she finds the photos in Edwards jacket at the dry cleaners. And Adrian Lyon's like, I'm just going to show the dry cleaners going around. and her friend's talking, but you can't hear her.

And he's very good at, my life is falling apart. I'm about to have an aneurysm. And I'm going to show this movie style for a minute. Can I just ask a question, though? Yeah. I like to, this movie is one of those movies that were, like, you just want to play the game. Would you do this if...

That, that, that. So, would you do this if you had hired a private detective to follow your wife. The private detective gives you the photos proving that your wife is having the affair. And you keep them in your jacket and forget to throw them out? And you leave it for your wife

to do the dry cleaning so she can find... You know she empties the pockets out of every... I mean, I know it's a stressful time for everybody. This was in picking nets. I mean... He meticulously cleans this dude's apartment of all blood and DNA for 19 hours but leaves the photos in his jacket.

What are you doing, dude? You were... almost there. Another would stage the best for me. Just the lesson that I like to live my life by, keep French guys away from your wife. Just over and over again, it's been proving connect. Correct. What's the new Frenchman, though? There's got to be like a new, hasn't the French, hasn't the sexy Frenchman now been replaced by like, I don't know. Who has replaced the sexy Frenchman? Like, who would you not want, who should a person not want their significant other year? I think it's been a replaced by the Italian, right?

Frenchman's been nudged out by the Italians? No? I don't know. I don't know. Spaniard? I'm going to say... How about a Spaniard? Spaniard? You just get yourself into trouble when you start walking down these roads.

But, like, it's more like, I don't know, I got to think about this. Like who the replacement Frenchman is? Because I don't... This is the other thing about this movie. Olivia Martinez does not do it for me. Like... So, my wife... I'm not going up there.

My wife and my mom... mom are 10 out of 10 on him. Most women I know who love this movie and there are many in my life. They also love Olivia Martinez. This is why the Venn diagram between what gay men like and what straight women like, there's a lot of overlap, but there's a lot of free space for like each orientation to do as he and she pleases. That would be a fun Venn diagram to look at.

What stage is the worst? This is my mom's number one nitpick. Now, I'm going to set this up. I had a respect for my mom who's a great lady. She is a great lady. Who gets upset that I don't give her enough attention on podcasts. I always talk about my dad and sports. And my mom's like, I taught you how to read and write.

And that's why you're successful. And you're always talking about your dad. Just so you know, I taught you to read and write. My mother is a national treasure. So I'm with her. You should definitely talk about her more. So her favorite actor ever is Richard Gear. Of all time.

Number one. Number one. Number one, Richard Gear fan, whoever lived. And even went up to him once at some charity benefit in New Canaan after a couple drinks and talked to him. And I think freaked him out. I mean, he seems pretty spookable, though. Maybe. So my mom cannot believe anyone made a movie where someone cheated on Richard Gear.

She's like, it's inconceivable. This is the equivalent of somebody. dunking on Michael Jordan seven times at a playoff series. Like, it's just, there's no way. Nobody's cheating on Richard Gear. Can we park the car here for one second? Yeah, let's do it. Let's do it.

Richard Gear is, talk about a person who never found his team. Richard Gear is the greatest movie star who never did anything great. He, his whole career is almost. Now, he did have- Pretty Women? I'm about to say, he did have, that great run with Julia Roberts. But, I mean, with all due respect to him,

that doesn't happen with any other actor but her. She has proven that she does not need Richard Gear to have people want to see her. Richard Gear has not proven, I mean, it's interesting when Richard Gear clicks with audiences and when he doesn't. He's not clicked a lot. He's not clicked a lot.

There's been a lot of unc clicking. But it's not for a lack of trying. Hollywood really wanted it to happen for Richard Gere. Goldman had a whole chapter on one of his books about this, where Richard Gere, like, for eight straight years, was like, 0 for 9. And then Pretty Women happened. I think that people, I think there's a real,

I think there are enough people like your mom who feel something for him. He does not do it for me. He is never, he is physically one of the most, handsome men, you know, but not in the movies. He's not one of the most handsome men ever to be in a movie. He's one of the most handsome men to see on a train or in line at the supermarket or, you know, picking up your kids from school one day. But there's something about him, and this is why he always plays like bankers and lawyers. He played a homeless man once a couple years ago. And it was like a real

stretch to kind of get you over the leap into like this. Well, you got to go backwards with him, though. He does American Gigolo, which is an amazing. I mean, talk about movies that have aged in bizarre ways. That one with the Blondie score, that movie feels like it came out a million years ago. That made him a star. It's an, but also American Gigolo holds up. It holds up.

Yeah, I'm with you. It's a movie with ideas, but the thing about it is, nothing is happening that's coming out of Richard gear. it's Paul Schrader doing all the work, right? Like, it's hard to explain Richard Gear is a great vessel for somebody else's... Was this American Jiglo?

Yes, that's American Jiglo. Yes. Yeah. There we go. We can play music in podcasts now, apparently. Well, you can. Yeah, with Spotify. You have a whole library.

But then an officer and a gentleman was a massive movie. He's great. He's like really great in that movie. And that's, I think, his best role ever. Let me re-say this about Richard Gear. Mayo. I'm going to do it over with Richard Gear.

I want to do it this way. Richard Gear is a necessary ingredient to realize how great other people are. Richard Gear... He's Scotty Pippin. Yes. He is Scotty Pippin. Deborah Winger, Lou Gossett, Officer and a gentleman. I love that movie.

But Deborah Winger is a force of name. nature, Lou Gossett, force of nature. Julia Roberts, I mean, he's not really that interesting and pretty woman, but his kind of blandness accentuates how extraordinary Julia Roberts is. Runaway Bride. He's actually pretty good in Runaway Bride. My mom loves, my mom loves Breathless. It's one of her six favorite movies ever.

A movie that did not need to happen. And yet, but that's like somebody's seeing American Gigolo and being like, we got to give him another shot. More. We got to keep doing it. His best roles, his three best roles to me, internal affairs. Oh, see, you stole my thunder. Oh, okay. I'm sorry. No, no, go, go, go. I was hoping you weren't going to say it because I was all excited to say it, but then you said it. Go ahead. I'm sorry, internal affairs, that's his best, the best part he ever got. And I 100% wholeheartedly agree with you. Internal affair is the richer gear I wanted in like seven different movies. It taps into all the richer gear

that you would have wanted to see him on the screen for two hours. He's a fucking low life. He's capable of fucking anyone in the movie at all times. He could be charming. He could be a psychopath. Yes. I'm with you.

I think, well, first of all, nobody's going to write a screenplay that good over and over and over again for one person who's also going to get the part. I think he might have been too concerned with being like to keep playing that part over and over again.

What were your other two Richard Gear parts? Because I had another one too. Oh, Chicago. Chicago. I think he is so good in Chicago. I don't like Chicago as a movie, as an enterprise. But I think that the three people in that, I think all the actors in that movie are great.

Every single actor in that movie is fantastic. I don't know how because it looks like a piece of doo-do. It's so badly assembled. And you can't see any of the choreography. And the way they structure the things so that you're not really watching a musical, you're watching like a psychological musical. Anyway, but he,

he lets go of all of the uptightness and stress that he usually acts with. And he feels so free. But it's one of his usual parts. He's just playing a lawyer, right? He's playing a sleazy lawyer. In Richard Gears Wheelhouse, but he, he just is having such a good time doing it.

And it just filled me with joy watching a person who's been making movies for 30 years at that point. Finally, just relax and take a risk. The hoax, which nobody saw. I like the hoax. I love him in that movie. Yeah, that's a good movie. I have another one. I have a fourth one for you.

Okay. This is obscure. But you know I love this movie. And the band played on, the HBO movie. Oh, yeah. Okay. He plays the Bob Fossy. I think it's supposed to be Bob Fossy.

They don't say who it is. Right. The famous Broadway director who's dying of AIDS. He's only in a couple scenes, but it's a totally different performance by him. And it's- Yes. It's kind of fascinating, actually. I would love to see what a Tarantino or a Paul Thomas Anderson.

Oh, yeah. You know, a chain champion. I'm surprised Tarantino never wanted to do one with him. Maybe he did. I don't know. But maybe Tarantino has, maybe Tarantino doesn't have the, has the, has the, the reservations that somebody like me has where you just, you

know something's in there, but you don't know if you're Tarantino whether you know, I mean, he doesn't, Tarantino, according to him, isn't going to make them any more movies. Is he going to like, is Richard Gears somebody that he's going to go all in for? I don't know. But the irony of this movie,

this is a Michael Douglas part. This is a 1989 Michael Douglas part. And he played five different versions of this character. And Richard Gere is doing a Michael Douglas impersonation basis. Yes. Yes. The, uh,

Wood's Age the Worst. Another Wood's Age the Worst. We just did an awesome Richard Gear tangent. I highly urge anyone listening. Craig, watch Internal Affairs sometimes. Oh, internal affairs. Yes. That movie's really good. Lori Metcath, Andy Garcia. Andy Garcia is going for it in that movie.

Like really, really, really full-fledged going for it. I hate movies where a character looks at another character and says something like, Wesley, do you love me? Khan, do you love me? It's like, I was just watching the end of saving private ride the other day, which is so many issues. And he's at Tom Hanks' grave and the wife comes over and he's like, tell me I led a good life.

Oh, my God. Who has conversations like that? Nobody. Tell me. Tell me I had it. And then she goes, you were a good man. Who has it back and forth? like that on the planet. Bill, again, let's just get back into reality for one second. Like,

along the same lines, here is a thing that I hate in movies where people are lying and you know they're lying and they're in a space, but they're also in what we're supposed to understand is a marriage. And so this is an actual line of dialogue. Are you okay? I'm fine. And end a scene. Like, you cannot be serious with this. Like, you either don't have that scene. There's so many things in this movie where, like, I feel like it's walking right up to the edge of what it's like to be in a kind of marriage where something is going on, but nobody's talking about it.

But then people are talking and they're just saying gibberish. But that's the thing. If you just take that stuff out, here's the way he's kind of watching her and he knows something's up, you don't need him to. say anything. He's just like, where are you going? I have a thing at 12 o'clock. I can't, and then he's just kind of eyeballing her. You don't need him to then call the store to see if she, or the nail salon to see if she actually has an appointment. They do explain too much because I do think you can accomplish all of it with how they interact with one another.

Morewood's age to where it's pay phones. Payphones such a huge part of any adultery movie back in the day. Now it's just be cell phones. But she has a cell phone in this movie, too. Right. So why are you using a pay phone? I don't get the cell phone. When she needed a cell phone most, she didn't have one. Then when she doesn't need it at all, she's got one. And then this is just that you're going to love this. This is just a personal nitpick for me. The concept of using the school play when some sort of couple scene where it's like, here's the scene where everybody's all happy. Let me tell you something. I've had two kids. The school play is not like this magnificent wonderful world that you walk into.

It's usually like people are fighting for seats. You can't hear anything. People are holding their camera phone and holding it over. You're telling them move their arms. It's never this idyllic. This gets me to... I mean, there's a whole book to be written about movie biases. Like, what happens when you get married white people with children making movies for a hundred

and 15, 20, 30 years. Yeah. You get school play scenes. You get things like school play scenes. I'm not saying non-white people don't send their kids to school plays, but I want to know how many Negroes are putting us wasting their shot at getting a movie made on a school play scene. What a luxury for you guys that you've got a whole movie that you know you can just put a school play scene right in the middle and just not cause any trouble whatsoever.

It can be a plot device. It can be a way to bring characters together or drive them apart. Don't forget the handholds that they have to show the close-up of the handhold. And that the play is supposed to be a metaphor for the action happening in the movie. But because it's Adrian Lion, it's just a call back to fatal attraction because the kid's playing a rabbit. I just feel like school play opera scene like those scenes in movies drive me elementary game

Little league game soccer game yep I hate I'm so glad I brought it up that's really all I have for what stage is the worst I mean there's other stuff casting what ifs apparently Brad Pitt and Ryan Philippe were offered the role of Paul Oh, man. And then they decided to make the dude French.

Do they say why? Because they think that that's what's exotic. Like the French guy, like Olivia Martinez is just what they... I mean, it worked. I mean, everybody, every person I know who likes this movie loves, like, likes it in part because of Olivier Martinez. Maybe because it feels like an 80% cheat, not 100% cheat because you're cheating with somebody of different nationality.

It's another white guy that's Richard Gers could take it harder. All right, I mailed this to you already, so I'm not surprising with this. But Jennifer Lopez, role was offered to her, and she turned it down. And my question, and she said it was offered to me, the script wasn't all the way there. I should know an Adrian Line was going to kill it. And then when Diane Lane got nominated, she said, I want to literally, like, shoot my toe off. She's bummed out. So, J-Lo in this movie, there's...

I don't know. I don't know. I mean, nobody... It's a movie. I've always wanted her to make. Just like, hey, put it on the table, make some crazy sex movie, J-Lo. Nobody's rooting more. Nobody has been rooting.

Well, I mean, many people have been rooting more for J-Lo in their lives than I have. But I'm one of the people who's been rooting for her. Your J-Lo actor-truther. Well, I mean, if I'm a J-Lo actor-truther, I have to say what I'm about to say, which is that... Yeah. No. Like, she made the right choice. Okay.

Like, this movie, she doesn't get nominated for this because the thing. that you don't quite appreciate Jennifer Lopez I mean I don't know maybe she did appreciate it because she saw the movie and saw what Diane Lane did with it but like it's a movie star part not an actor part and it's a particular movie star part

not an actor part like it can only work with a Diane Lane or Jody Foster or it's got it's somebody who isn't around but is like like you know they're I'm not buying J-Lo in the suburbs

married to Richard Gere would have been just, I always would have been thinking it was J-Lo. But there's so many things, I mean, it's interesting too about this movie, which is that we don't know how those two people met. Like, I have a question about that, right? Except the shrewdness of the way the movies work is that you know, you probably know,

if you're at unfaithful, that Richard Gere and Diane Lane have worked together previously. Three times at all. Right. I think you don't, need a lot of setup for for how they got together. But otherwise, I really do want to know. I always want to know with women, with a woman in a Richard Gere movie, how did this happen?

How did you get married to her? And so if we're already plunked down in the middle of a marriage, I just have a lot of questions about Richard Gere's pickup game. I mean, I know lots of women want him, lots of men too. I just, I want to see him pick somebody up and not have to pay for it. Okay. Lyon cast Diane Lane in this role because he saw a walk on the moon and said she's sympathetic and I think so many sexy women tend to be tough and hard at the same time.

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I always liked her. I love her. Yeah, I don't, she's one of those. I don't know why she ever. didn't totally make it. Well, I don't know. She was on the West Wing, right? Yeah.

Okay. She's been in some good stuff, but I always thought she had a nice little fire. But I'm giving this to, he's like one of those guys. His name is Zyko Ivanovich. Yeah. Zyko Ivanovich. He's the detective in this movie, but he is like a classic that guy. He was in Oz.

He was in a million things. He was in, I remember first in Oz, but then he's just always in stuff. He was in school ties. He was the teacher in school ties. He wasn't school ties. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, he's one of those people, you know, he's in everything.

I mean, every movie I go back to watch, sometimes for these things. Like, there he is. Old episodes of Law and Order. Like, many episodes of Law and Order, I feel like. The Vincent Hanna, give me all you got a word for overacting. Couldn't really find somebody totally. So I'm giving it to Chad Lowe. That's the only answer.

Chad, though, with the, what about your family? Edward. Why don't you take a look at your own fucking family yet? Take a goddamn look at that. Oh my God. Maybe you should check your family. Whatever. It's like, Chadlow, why are you in this? You were in Bellrose Place eight years ago. Why are you an unfaithful?

The Dan Waiter's Award. We didn't have a lot of candidates. So just because Uncle Jr's in it. He doesn't have a lot to work with but it was so nice to see Uncle June. Oh, yeah, that's true. But Kate Burton's your winner, right? Oh, for the one who had the affair? No, yeah. She's, no, she's the best.

friend. She's the woman. Yeah, yeah, her, her, her. Yeah, I don't know. I just want to give Uncle Junior Prize, but we can give it to Kate Burton. That's fair. I think Kate Burton's your winner here. Okay. I like course she has that comment. There's a couple of nuances where it really does seem like their friends, but she's complaining about Diane Lane's ass. Her ass hasn't dropped since college. I was like, that actually sounds realistic. The recasting couch. I want it more from the little kid. I feel like if Richard Gere and Diane Lane had a child, that child, that child would probably be a gorgeous child. I mean, you can look him up now.

Isn't he one of the brothers on Malcolm in the middle or something? Yeah, he's bounced around and been an actor, but I just didn't feel like that was the child they would have had. I don't know. He was charming and funny.

I don't know. I hear you. I don't sure. How fast internet research, this was based on the 69 French film, The Unfaithful Wife. A lot of stuff on the research about Adrian Lyne's repeated take

for the scenes, especially the sex scenes. Very demanding for the actors. And he kind of wanted to break them down so that the sex was almost like they seemed like they were leaving their body. They were so tired. They would do lane said after, by the end, you're physically and emotionally shattered.

That sounds weird. Can you imagine, Bill, like just acting is so weird. Can you imagine a job where like somebody's dry humping you from behind for six hours Yeah, you gotta spend like two days simulating anal sex

Pretty weird With a person who just wants you to keep doing it over Until you crack And you don't even know what like What the result should look like I mean when she there's the great shot That you see in their first sexual encounter She's shivering

And you're like well which take was this I mean Yeah that was pretty good he wanted gear and Lane to gain weight so they'd seem like a comfortable middle-edge couple. Lane was like, no way. Gear was like, I don't do that either.

And he started leaving donuts and Richard Gears trailer every morning, but it didn't take. Both of them looked great. And then, gear said on the apartment that was filled with smoke, gear said our throats were being blown out.

We had a special doctor who was there almost all the time shooting people up with antibiotics for Brock infections. Oh my God. Adrian Lines. What a lunatic. People give David Fincher a hard time.

I think Adrian Line is the madman. Apex Mountain. Diane Lane, 100% absolutely. Yes. It was nice that she had an Apex Mountain. I was worried we'd get through her old career without some awesome part. She finally got it. Olivier Martinez, yeah, probably,

unless you want to say when he beat the shit out of Holly Berry's new boyfriend. I was like, that story. He was married to Holly Berry. He had a child with her and then she started to date. What was the guy's name? Gabriel Aubrey. He had an argument and he won the fist fight

from the apartment. So it's one or the other. Richard Gere, no way. Adrian Line, no. Reading Braille as foreplay? Was this Apex Mountain? Can't remember seeing that, seeing Braille used as foreplay before in a movie?

How do I feel if I'm actually vision challenge? Like, if I'm a blind person, how do I feel? Really, guys? Yeah, I mean, Okay. Yeah. You know what that's like?

That's like somebody, I mean, that is like, hey, as part of our foreplay, I'm going to give you a spin in this wheelchair that's just sitting around my apartment. Does this turn you on? Apex Mountain for killing someone with a snow globe. I don't ever remember seeing it in a movie. But don't you feel like you have? I couldn't put my finger on where I've seen that before. But I feel like there's so many snow globe murders that I, that we have. we just blocked out.

I don't know. Maybe it's at least been a loan or something. Picky Nits. We covered a couple of them. This is the big one from my mom. I texted my mom and I was like, hey,

what's your biggest nitpick from Unfaithful that you've seen 330 times? Hers was, nobody notices Richard Geard carrying a body in a rug out of a New York City apartment. I mean, it's not like that was an empty neighborhood.

First of all. And a guy's walking. toward him as he's doing it. Hey, you need some help? I said, no, I'm good. I can't get this body in the truck myself. Everything about the murder is dumb. Everything. None of it makes any sense.

Why he does it, the actual doing of it, the disposal, the disposal of the body, let alone the carrying, the removal of the body from the apartment. First of all, Olivier Martinez is like, I think, 6-2. Richard Gear, I believe, is 5'9. It's a heavy body. That's a lot of... I mean, And also, I don't know if you've ever dealt with the dead bill, but they don't do that when you fold them up and roll them in a carpet like that.

Yeah, they just, they get, they literally get rigor mortis because they're dead. That's what rigor morton says. You're carrying a pole. Yeah. Anyway, I just, like, and then to leave him at the dump like that, like, no, motherfucker, you got to bury him. Like, you can't just, this, I mean, again, again, this just speaks to the, like, weird entitlements of being a well-off person. in the suburbs, you just think like your garbage. I'm just going to toss it on top of this landfill

or the junkyard. I don't know. Whatever. That murder makes no sense to me. How bad were the police investigators? Ugh. Again. There's DNA all over the place.

It's 2002. We know how to look for DNA. Like a pool of blood that he cleaned up. They could definitely find that. Fingerprints everywhere from his wife. His wife had just had sex. In the bed and in the hall, way, her number's there.

She's got parking tickets in front of the place. I do like her lie about the parking ticket, though. That was a decent. That was a pretty decent lie. But there is that one shot where like after, after, I almost said Michael Douglas, after Richard

Gear does the deed, he wipes his hands off the glass. And I'm like, I hate those scenes in movies because, no, I need you, I need a sequence. I need a montage of you wiping your fingerprints off everything. It doesn't make any sense. They do this in movies

all the time where it's just like, I'm going to take my shirt sleeve and just wipe a little bit of this doorknob, and then I think I'm good. I don't think they're going to find anything else. I just, it just really, it trips me out when movies do that. It's way harder

to kill somebody and dispose of the body than this movie makes it seem. And then to push the 200-pound body up when the elevator breaks down to get it up. I mean, that should be like an Olympic event. I'm not sure LeBron James could do that. I mean, it just doesn't

make any sense at all. It's putting a lot of faith and our faith in Richard Gear. Best quote, there's no such thing as a mistake. There are things you do and things you don't do. I don't know what that means, but it sounds cool. You got to say it the way he says it, though. I'm not doing a French

accent on the rewatchables. I'm not even going there. Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show is our next category? I got to say this would be a very good Netflix show. This actually would be a better way to do it than a movie because you could really dive into some

stuff if you were a seemingly happy married couple. Okay. And the woman's starting to go off the reservation and she's starting to have an affair with somebody. Okay. That is the seeds of a show that my mom would definitely watch.

But isn't that show called the affair? And it wasn't that show terrible? Season the one of the affair was really good. Okay, but... And by the way, they made the affair because Unfaithful was doing well, which is why I saw the rewatchables, because Unfaithful had like a 15-year run

of all these cable channels kept showing it and people kept watching it. It's on all the time. And somebody at Showtime's like, we should do this as a show. Well, I think you've got your answer. It only works as a movie. It's a one-season show. Well, one-season show, right.

I mean, I just... But, you know, I find Ruth Wilson a baffling a bathroom. Yeah, that's a whole other conversation. Imitation American. Probably in answerable questions. Did Paul deserve to die? Unclear.

You could make a case, yes. What case? Make the case. Kind of a dick when Richard Gere showed up. Open the door for a snow glow bit. Maybe be a little nicer, a little more respectful. You're fucking the guy's wife for two months. Maybe look a little sheepish about it.

Something. Anything. Bill, would you open the? door? Like, if you're, if your lovers... He was a dick. Yeah, I know, but I'm just... He was he being an asshole. But did he have to die?

No. And did he have to die like that? I don't know. I mean, I'm not for anybody dying for no good reason. This was a dumb reason to die. What about in a weird Adrian Line movie? You're not... We can't have one death? Spruce it up. I don't know. But then it just made it unbelievable. The one thing about the movie,

the one thing that's missing from this movie, honestly is. Like, here's an argument for making the sex life between these two people don't. Let's say that you're watching a movie about a man and a woman living in, like, somewhere in Hudson Valley, the sex life is bad, they're not that happily married, and she meets this guy, they have this affair, she's lying, but it kind of like enlivenes her a little bit. She's, she's, she's rediscovered something about herself. The husband finds out feels utterly.

betrayed, goes and murders the lover. She finds out that he's murdered the lover. And I know this has happened in movies. I feel like I now can't put my finger on any... This movie is so full of cliches that are bland enough to be able to get away with without being charged with anything. But the thing, my twist

is they find out, she finds out that he kills the lover. Yeah. And neither one of them, because they love each other, neither one of, they just want to put the whole thing behind them. And rather than turn themselves into the police, they use this.

It's a little bit in the movie, tiny, tiny, tiny bit. But they use this to make their marriage stronger. He starts talking to a French accent in bed? Yeah. Ding, ding, ding. Roleplay? Yes.

They use this to make their marriage kinkier. And you realize you're watching two psychos. That, to me, feels a little bit like a John Waters movie. Yeah. But it's also the movie that this movie needed to be more of. Okay. More unanswerable questions.

Is Richard Gere a good actor? Oh, damn. You went right there. Yes or no? It doesn't need to be a five-minute answer. Sometimes. I think he's a conditional good actor. Yes. They're good actors. They're bad actors and conditional good actors.

He needs a script, but the problem with Richard Gere is he takes a lot of shots and not all of them go in. Like, he's really, his points per game. are low, but his shots per game high. And I feel like he made fewer movies than I've remembered him making, but I feel like he should have made even fewer than that. And because when he's good in something, he's really good. And when he's with, when he's with people that makes sense, great with Julia Roberts, great with, what was the other hit, Chicago, what was the other movie that we talked about that I forgot? Internal Affairs. And no, no, no, not that one. Yes, but, but I hit another gentleman. Yes. I mean, he's

great with Deborah Winger. There's a kind of star, like women mostly, but even Andy Garcia, were like, these two people make sense together. There are very few, Richard Gear is hard to cast opposite. Like he and Jody Foster, that movie Summersby, disaster. One of the worst, one of the least comfortable movies I've ever, ever watched, the two of them sharing space together. He is just one of those people. Like, he's sometimes very good and a lot of times negligence. is what I would say. Okay.

I'm voting for a conditionally good actor. Where would you dump a body just out of curiosity? Bill, I think about this almost every day. One of the things I like about this movie is it does put you in the position of, okay. What would I do? There's no way out now. I have a dead body. I got to clean up.

What am I doing now? What's my next move? I have made a horribly stupid decision. What do I do? Do you call the police? Do you per- See, I think the move for him is to say he went to confront this guy

and they got into a fight and he hit, he was defending himself and he hit the guy of the snow globe and miraculously the guy died. I think, you know. Because I actually think he would have gotten in a trial, I think he would have gotten off. Craig just said to us both,

claim self-defense. This is true. This is exactly what you're saying. Claims self-defense. I jumped him. I don't, I'm, I, you're, you were talking to a black man who just doesn't want to deal with any of this stuff. And so, I'm not killing anybody. I think about it not infrequently, but I don't want to be put in any position where I'm even almost about to kill somebody. I won't even choke somebody

during sex. I don't like it. It could just take a turn. I don't want to deal with it. I'm going to try it really hard. This part of the rails. I think there's, I think there's better. options than a junkyard or wherever the fuck he was. I'm not leaving it in a junkyard. Yeah, that's not happening. Junkyard wouldn't be my final choice. Why have that big-ass house? Why have it?

He could have stashed the body under the house, anywhere in the house. They would have never found that body. So what happened to the, what happened to the Sumner's next? Hmm. We think the way it left it in. You could argue he never turns himself in. I think they're divorced within the next couple years, though. Oh, I don't think the marriage survives.

Yeah, I think this is a tough one. It's a little unsurvivable, the affair. He murdered the guy she was having the affair with. It's a tough one. Can't really go to marriage counseling for that one. But I also think he turns himself in. I think, I don't think they turn themselves in. He knows a good lawyer.

He can claim self-defense. They'll work it out. He panicked. He got rid of the body because he thought he was going to jail, but the guy tried to attack him. Crazy French guy. Again, there's DNA all over the apartment. They're going to get caught no matter what.

We don't need to do who won the movie, which usually closes this because Diane Lane won the movie and my heart. She already had your heart. Well, she won it again. You've got two hearts. Many people own my heart. My wife owns it the most. But there's other people who own it for bits and stretches.

Also, I don't feel guilty about that. talk about Diane Lane because my wife loves this movie, my mom loves this movie. I have to hear them talk about all the time how great the French guy is so they can fuck off. Diane Lane for life. Okay. Your mom and your wife can fuck off. Got it. Diane, but yes, Diane Lane for life.

Diane Lane for life. I'm so glad you agreed with me that there's an alternate career where she's a megastar. Oh, yeah. Okay. We're just too classist and too interested in blondes for that to have really ever. happened. Like even if she were a redhead, her odds would have been better. But she just, she just made smart choices, I would say, for her. She knew what her limitations were, I would say. And also, I don't remember how old she was when Under the Tuscan Sun happened in this,

and unfaithful. But there is a little after. There's something about turning 40 after having one job for a long time. I think there's, there's, she was allowed to make this transition into, she was allowed to become a middle-aged woman with good parts in movies. And that doesn't always happen, especially for a child actor. Melanie Griffith turned 40, and we just were like,

we don't need her. But she is more interesting as an older person than she is as a younger person, Melanie Griffith. In my mailbag for when I was writing for ispin.com, pre-Grantland, I got a mailbag. It was mid-2000s from somebody who wanted me to create the Diane Lane All-Stars.

for women over 40 who were like the All-Star team and he was like and it has to be called the Diane Lane All-Stars because I think she had just turned or she was going to turn 40 in like two years or something and he was like Diane Lane's going to be 40

and it's funny because now in 2020 50 is kind of the new 40 right like there are women now who look I'd say 60 Bill there are people where you find out there's 60 and you're like you're what now? Well like I guess it would now be the Angela

Abasset All-Stars because Angel Abasset's over 60 and still looks fantastic. Yes, yes. I mean, like, did I just find out how old Susan Sarandon is? Was she like mid-60s, late 60s? Oh, no, sir. I believe that woman is like, I want to say she's almost 80. We should look this up. No.

But she's way older than you think she is. She was like early 40. She's over 70, maybe. She's over 73. She's 73 years. Wow. Great job by her. She just, it, like, it would have to be like Angela Bassett, Angela Bassett All-Stars is a good one because you can get a lot of people on that team.

The over-60s tough. And it's just, it's just shocking. It's shocking. Wesley, it was great to see you. Thanks for doing such a weird movie with me for the rewatchables. We have, I think we have two more coming later in the year that will be better quality than this one. But this is worth doing. I really just want to have the day. Yeah, no.

I mean, talking about Diane Lane. Yeah. All right. Good to see you. Thank you. Nice to see you. Rewatchables coming back. I think, Craig, are we doing one more this week?

Yes, EZA. Easy A. I'm not involved in that one. Easy A is happening later in the week. So stay tuned for that. Don't forget to listen to the Ringar Podcast Network. Don't forget about still processing with Leslie Morris. And thanks again.

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