The Rewatchables - ‘Vision Quest’ With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Ryen Russillo

Episode Date: February 27, 2020

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan, and Ryen Russillo take a jog in their rubber jumpsuits to drop to 168 pounds to revisit the 1985 wrestling classic ‘Vision Quest,’ starring Matthew Modine and Linda Fiorentino. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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we're about to do, including this one, the second installment of the floor. flawed. Rewatchables. Guys, it ain't the 85 minutes. It's what happens in the 85 minutes. Vision quest coming up. At first, all Loudoun Swain could think of was getting in shape. But since he met the girl of his dreams, all he can think of is her shape. Get off him around here, are you?

What are you kidding me? Trenton, New Jersey. And he certainly can't do what's on. on his mind. Yeah, sexual intercourse burns up 200 calories a shot.

This is the new film from the executive producers of FlashNacks. Vision Quest. Bill Simmons here with Chris Ryan and Ryan Rissillo. This is episode two

of the flawed rewatchables, incredibly rewatchable movies that have one flaw. We'll get to the flaw later. We're doing Vision Quest. Let's start here. Do you feel like you need to tell

people what Vision Quest is? Vision Quest is a movie that came out in 1985. It stars Matthew Modin. It is about a high school wrestler who decides. He says, the movie starts by him saying, my name's Loudin, Loudon, Loudon Swain. Last week I turned 18.

I wasn't ready for it. I haven't done anything yet. So I made this deal with myself. This is the year I make my mark. First of all, great setup, great advice. It's kind of like marriage. He decides he needs to go from 190 pounds to 168 to wrestle, shoot the unbeatable guy in the state.

I'll start here. Not only is this the greatest wrestling movie ever. This is the only wrestling movie ever. It's basically this and win-win and then a bunch of professional wrestling movies. But a lot of people wrestle. And I think for the wrestling community, this has become what like Slapshot

became to the hockey community. It is this oversized, important movie that I think everybody who's ever wrestled has probably watched. Very secretly, it's a really good 80s movie. It's like the quintessential 80s movie because it's not aware that it's an 80s movie. Like when we think back about

80s movies are now. You either think of big blockbusters like Beverly Hills Cop, Steven Spielberg, Amblin, kind of Goonies, E.T. sci-fi or fantasy like adventures or John Carpenter, horror, or John Hughes comedy. But this is actually just like an 80s movie

that's like, it feels more like a 70s movie, but in the 80s. And it's like when I think about these movies, I mean, this is really like my friends, older brothers, like when I think about, like 85, I was like a little young, but this is what, they were like, kind of, you know?

You'd never seen it, Riscilla. Yeah, that was the thing is when you guys were like, hey, we have you on this rewatchable schedule for these upcoming movies. And I went, okay, and Don, and I go, you guys know I've never seen Vision Quest. Yesterday's the first time I'd ever seen it. And sometimes just things happen. Like, I'm not one of those assholes that, like, somehow takes pride in never seeing a Star Wars.

You're like, okay, you want to really miss out on one of the most iconic things, like, honestly, in the history of man. So you weren't going around seeing like, yeah, I haven't seen Vision Quest. Yeah, I haven't seen it. No interest. You know, like, people get, like, arrogant about not seeing stuff that everybody's seen, and I don't understand. So that wasn't what this was, and I was a little worried, because Chris is just so good. It's an 80s movie that doesn't know what's an 80s movie.

Do you have these written out? Like, they're their index cards? I have that written out. I wrote that down, just to remember it. It's a fountain of knowledge, Chris Ryan. Can I push back on the wrestling? The wrestler with Mickey Rourke is a great wrestling. Yeah, but that's professional wrestling.

He's talking, he's talking amateur wrestling. It's like Fox Catcher? Was Fox Catcher amateur? Yeah, that was like, that movie is depressing. interesting. Win-win was the other one. Win-win was pretty good. Yeah. I think Vision Quest is better, though.

But the 80s movie part of it, I go back and watch this and go, my God, this is like every, every movie. And this is based on a novel called Vision Quest. And the whole time you're like, how the hell did they get the title Vision Quest? How did that happen? And at the end in my notes, I go, worst title to a movie ever, like, did it make any sense whatsoever? Well, but Cooch says at one point. I get that part. No, Cooch, early on.

Vision Quest. I think the title's good. You like the Native American little... I just like he's on a Vision Quest. He's 18. He doesn't know who he is yet. And he decides that this is something... But they say...

The way they talk about it in this movie is, is everybody is watching. It's like, of course. Vision Quest. And that's not the case. No, that's what I thought. Like, there was a few things at the end where... And I was reading the Wikipedia summary.

And after I'd watch the movie and I think, is that really what happened? Like, wait a minute. That Wikipedia summary seems to be... so much more clear in what happens in this movie because it does, like a lot of 80s movies, you're like, okay, I get it. All right, that's the bad guy. But if you start at the beginning, like, he's a loser.

Yeah. Like, people don't like him. Once you start a movie with your main character sitting by himself at lunch, and I know what that's like, because I went through it for a couple years in high school, it's a tough stretch. You did? Well, yeah, it was weird. I mean, I moved. And it all-star weekend.

At the hotel, bar. a Thursday day. Hotel bar. Thanks for listening. Having a burger. But I, yeah, when I moved to Martha Jr., my sophomore year, it was the very, it was like a month into this, that year. And it was funny because I had been popular pretty much my whole life going up to that. And then for two years, I was solo lunch guy, but I was self-aware solo lunch guy.

It wasn't like, hey, I know I'm just a loser. I was just like, how do these people not realize how cool I am? And I just go, I get, they're missing out. Right. I was just like two years of this. So when I see Modine solo, I'm like, okay, this kid sucks. Right. Well, it's a movie with no bad guys.

Yeah. Set up as a bad guy, but he's actually, like, pretty good. Like, he's just this guy who's a state champion and this guy wants to make a run on him. He's not really intimidating. First time we see him, he's carrying up a football stadium with a log. How hard would that be? Really hard. You want to do this now or later.

It's a pretty big log. I think that's why you guys asked me. You just want to ask me about some of the workouts. No, I knew you would love this movie. What do you mean he wasn't intimidating? I thought he was pretty intimidating. He's intimidating, but not me. He's not like Cobra Kai.

He's not the classic 80s sports movie. I'm going to rip your balls off. The best part about shoot also is his casual outfit is just the Canadian tuxedo. He's just going jean jacket and jeans. I mean, like, as you wouldn't spoke in in 85, but he's just like, when he's not carrying a log up an arena steps, he looks like John Mellencamp. Well, the funny thing is Maudine, loud and swaying. What a name, by the way. He actually might be the bad guy in this.

He's totally selfish. Yeah. Like the team's in place. He's their 190 guys. He screws up Cooch's. He ruins Cooch's self-confidence in two minutes. Then he goes down to 168. Oh, I'm sorry.

Sorry, you're right. Now, there's a step. I didn't know. They have to navigate all these weight classes. Meanwhile, you know, he's getting nosebleeds. He costs him the Thompson High or the whatever that match was when he lost to Lewis Smith because he's bleeding all over the place because he has no weight on right now. And then it's a big thing where that big guy Otto and he's got.

and, you know, he does say, you think you're bigger than the team. Like, he does that yelling stuff. He's like, wrestling is an individual sport. Right. He's kind of, it's kind of a dick. Yeah, that's kind of one of my first conclusions.

I mean, it's a lot like the karate kid except with wrestling because Danny was an asshole. Like, Machio's character. Like, he was, I always... Kicked off the soccer team for a reason. Yeah, I always joked it. Like, honestly, you go back and look at that movie

when you're older. You're like, Hope I was right. Yeah. You know, like, don't... So, I, uh... Yeah. The pro-Cobra guy. Pro-guy.

But in this one, you know, Modine's weird. Like, I don't know that, and again, I would have consumed this differently in 85 when that was, when you really started like kind of getting into some of these movies, you're like, what's going on here? And it's like your first, like, at least for me, because I was 10 and, you know, you're, starting to think about gender differently and all that kind of stuff. But I wouldn't have picked up on any of this stuff back then. But there's like, I mean, at one point, Modine is hanging out with his chef,

because he's a room service guy at this hotel. I think the Spokane part of it is really important because it's kind of like this off-the-grid town and the wrestling part of it is like a big deal. But when he just sits down as like, I'm going to be an astronaut gynecologist. Like, what? Yeah.

Like, he's just writing editorials about female anatomy for his school paper. And their one girl is like, great idea. Yeah, this is great. Like, hey, son, his dad comes down. He's like, what are you working on? He'd be like, oh, school paper. Oh, what's the topic?

The clitoris. You know, like, this movie does some weird stuff where his dialogue is not the predictable 85. He's like in a Cohen Brothers movie. And, like, everybody else is just in a sports movie, but he's just like, I want to be a space guy to college. It's like you're saying, yeah. But it's important to put that in the context of the mid-80s

because most of these mid-80s characters are not kind of deep thinkers like that and kind of way out there. The heroes of these movies are just these people are like, I just want to date the best-looking girl in the school and be good on those. soccer team or whatever. And he's got this whole weird fucking thing. And he's racked with doubt about that.

He hasn't accomplished anything yet at age 18. And then the classic 80s trope of the hot girl that moves into his house. Carla. Carla, where it's like, oh, man. I mean, think about like weird science. How many different movies from that era is just somebody trying to get laid by the unattainable person that can't get laid by a great thing? This was every 80s movie.

Yeah, sure thing was another one. It's a great combination of two genres that are. pretty much lost to the 80s, which is the weird science, hot girl shows up in my house, meets working class high school sports movies. So Wildcats, this. All the right moves. All the right moves. Where it's like, you know, my life's not going in a lot of different directions.

I really only have sports. But even deep down, I kind of know this isn't going to turn out to be I'm Joe Montana. Like, I'm just hoping to get out of Pittsburgh. The right moves is a good parallel because I do feel like, and we're talking about this 10, year sports movie. It's 11 years from Longest Yard, the first great sports movie ever. And then we start going through. We hit Rocky. We had slap shot. We had bad news bears won. Bad news bears in breaking training, which is an all-time classic, semi-tuff, North Dallas 40. And we start going through the sports. Fast break one-on-one, become the basketball movies. Fish should say Pittsburgh.

Johnny B. Good was off the radar. It totally took on recruiting. So they're hitting every sport and by 1985 they're like wrestling? What about high school wrestling? No, they do like breaking away. They're just like cycling sounds good. So they're hitting every sport with the same kind of underdog rising to the occasion and define the odds kind of plot. And this was really it.

By about 85 they had run out. And then we have like the whole kids era after that. Like that's coming with rookie the year. And then we have like the sports comedy era where like major league. you know, necessary roughness. But we're still in that zone of, like, everybody going, wow, Rocky made $300 million and got nominated for Oscars. Like, what's our version of this?

And you're right, because there was a grittiness to all of those. Right. All the right moves is a good movie. I still stand by it. I don't know what you or Johnny Be Good was because I actually, now that I've said it, I don't think it falls into the category of like the stuff. It was like a year later. It was like 86.

That was Anthony McAhal trying not to be a nerd anymore. Yeah, he was, I thought he was cool in the movie. Yeah. watching this for the first time as I do this, and I love that Linda Fiorentino, I guess, research on her. She's great. Great.

I love that she has two different day to births. We still don't know. 58 and 60. Speaking of wrestling. Is that true? I looked that up too. Yeah. I was curious.

So this was her first movie ever. First, she got it on the first audition, the whole thing. She'd never been at anything before. You could tell at times. Yeah. And yet I'm at home being like, okay, what's going to happen?

Are they going to do the, like, I don't know. if he was going to close the deal. Right. I just, and that was kind of how I watched it. Maybe she was going to wind up with Tanner Ann. Maybe she was going to be this like older sage,

even though she was only 21 and he was 18 and she's staying at his house for a little while. Like I'm at home being like, all right, you have to place a bet. Like, does he end up kind of weirdly dating her? Yeah. Because that's what an 80s movie would normally tell you do. It's almost like I let today's movie get in the way of like, no, no, in the 80s, he's going to hook up with her. Like stop asking the question where today I'd be like maybe there's some sort of lesson that

he learns from this. And there's just this odd. weird tension like Leon and the professional. It has the other mid-80s thing that we talked about in the Breakfast Club podcast that we just did where this is the MTV Miami Vice era like the peak. And music has to be involved. Yes. There has to be a couple montages.

And this movie does that as well as anybody. Like he pins cooch at the beginning to get 178 and then it immediately cuts to the journey song and him running with the spoken. The John Wade song. The John Wade song when he's climbing the pegs, the lunatic fringe, right, as he's about to do shoot. And then they play. It's navigating three times. Crazy for you.

It's performed live once and then it just comes back twice. And that's another really mid-80s-ish thing. It's early, beautiful Madonna. Yeah. As good as she's ever going to look, Madonna. That was weird because Madonna is playing like a local club. And then you're kind of like, is this what it would be like? like to be a high school senior in some rural area in 1985, where it's like, okay, I'm going to get done

with class. Maybe I'll head over to tapers, you know, and throw some beers back on my teacher. My English teacher buys me a micholube. Is there a bigger power move than just sloppy ribs at a busy bar? Like, before I start firing on chicks, I'm going to throw back a couple racks of ribs and a lowen brow. I just need a bib and like a wet white from my fingers. fingers. One of the things that's so funny. I get a shot of Rumpy for my breath.

Shoot keeps like, like when the teachers like have some ribs or whatever, shoots just like he thinks that his weight loss. Oh, not Sheldon. Sorry, Loudon thinks that his weight loss is the Cuban missile crisis.

He's like, didn't you hear? I'm trying to drop down to 168. And the teacher's like, yeah, I don't give a shit. You know what I mean? I just stuck here in Spokane

reading Gerard Manley Hopkins to a bunch of 15-year-olds. I would say it's a precursor to this generation where now, like the selfie narcissist generation. Ladin was way ahead of his time. Oh, yeah. If he was doing this in 2020,

he would be Instagramming his weight loss every day. Yeah, he would have like an app. He'd be running on the Spokane. He took a burger off of a bun and it wasn't even a real burger. It was almost like beyond meat. That guy invented the impossible burger. Elmo, man. He's like crying over Pele videos.

Quest for 168. Right. And that guy's firing a dart while he's handling his burger and then he gets mad at Modine for not using the bun. I mean, think about. God, that was, that was an impossible burger. Yeah. And then Loudon takes it off the bun.

And there is, look, the weight loss thing is from minute one. Yeah. It's the whole movie. Yeah. The entire movie is just like, is this guy going to hit his weight? Well, what, you know about lifting and weight and stuff. Going from 90 to 68. What's that?

It depends on, like, who you're framing. Like, okay, so I was incredibly skinny. my whole, I couldn't keep a pound on me. And it just wasn't going to happen until like I eventually filled out. And then when I hit puberty at 26, my shoulders, you know, started expanding a little bit. And then, but I could, I weigh like 220, 225 now, depending on the day. I have the type where I could get down to 210 like that. Would you have to wear a rubber suit?

No. Well, I wouldn't want to. I could get, like, so I'm just saying like. Does the rubber suit work? Is that something you would incorporate? It's just water. It's just water. So eventually, I don't know that the rubber suit.

I think eventually, like, that's why I kept having bloody noses all the time. He's because you're just lower, although he was unbelievable. Like, he's like, oh, I just got an iron DPL level. It's just, you know, a touch off. I can't believe in 1985 nobody's like, is Loudoun doing blow? Like, what's happening? Yeah, you would have thought. But I didn't know, like, watching a movie, I go, is there going to be, like, some weird cancer ending to this?

Oh, yeah. Like, I didn't know what was going on. So to get to 190 in high school. to 168 and he already looks pretty skinny and we can get to some of the weight stuff because I started researching it after the fact. 190 seems unrealistic for him just to begin with. He's tall and maybe he's. I could see him being 190 when he's 30 years old, but at age 18 to be 6-1-19, you'd have

to be pretty cut at that point. But there are other people that at 190 it could be impossible, impossible for him to like even lose. Not impossible, but you know what I mean? Like somebody's frame at 190, they'd never be able to lose any weight. Let's get the flas. So this is a flawed rewatchable. We all really like this movie and people listening are probably like, well, why is this a flawed rewatchable?

Or why is it a rewatchable? Well, it's a rewatchable because it's the greatest wrestling movie ever made in an iconic mid-80s movie. The flaw is he basically tries to commit sexual assault of Carla and it's glossed over. He's so sexually frustrated and he's mad that he thinks she might be dating his teacher or getting a Bobbith or whatever. and he just kind of snaps and throws her on the bed and commits a sexual assault briefly and she knees him in the balls and gets away. And then it's like, oh, cool, sorry about that.

And it moves on. And it's, even in the mid-80s, it didn't really sit right. It was a pretty strange scene. Yeah. And I think they were, it's such an easy edit. I'm amazed they didn't film different versions of it. So I think part of it is that you're just supposed to think that this is a kid who's just, like, completely consumed by his hormones.

Right. Because he's constantly talking about it. is like, his, like, you know, is constant erections and female anatomy and all this stuff. So while I'm not trying to excuse it at all. And, like, the way that they shoot that scene, Fiorntino's character, she's like,

don't ever fucking do that again. You know, like, she's pretty fierce about it. They could have scaled it back. It's pretty rough to watch, though. It was weird, because I'd never seen it. And it's, there's certain things that just happen a little too fast, where you go, well, we need like a sit moment beat.

or a lesson here, and she's over it immediately. Yeah, it's not great. So that's the flaw. The movie had a $2.5 million budget. It made $13 million. Roger Ebert. Three and a half stars. I liked it.

I watched the... Rich. With it. What did he say about it? He was just pretty fired up. He's like, it's such like a, you know, like a realistic depiction of small town life and stuff. He was pretty into it.

He was also a big sports movie guy. He loved the sports movies. We'll do the categories because there's a lot to cover. Can I talk just briefly about the... the pedigree of the people making this movie, which is really strange because when you watch it, you're like, this is, this would be like an ESPN Ocho movie of the week, kind of.

Like, it's just like, yeah, wrestling movie kid. It's Harold Becker, who goes on, you know, he made Taps and he would go on to McMalice and City Hall. And Taps was a really respected movie that broke a lot of young actors, Tim Hutton, Sean Penn, Tom Cruise. So his stock was pretty high at that.

And then Daryl Ponsign who wrote the screenplay is the guy who wrote the novel of The Last Detail. based on. And it was produced by John Peters and Peter Goober, who were essentially aside from Brookheimer and Simpson, the biggest producers of the 80s and early 90s, they did Rain Man, Batman. So this was like this weirdly heavy hitter movie, even though it seems like this sort of like forgotten

cult classic. And another movie that's in the same, I think it's even the same year, American Flyers with Costner, which is an incredible cycling movie. Same kind of thing. Really well done. The kind of movie that it had taken the idea of a sports movie and brought it up a notch and was just elaborate, you know, and well-acted and had characters and things like that. We're going to take a break. Then we'll do the categories. Hey, whether you're watching a new movie or re-watching an old movie, the sound quality can make or break your viewing experience. The Jaws, suspenseful theme song is way more impactful when it's actually surrounding you with Sonos.

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A little multitasking. Go to sonos.com to learn more. S-O-N-O-S dot com. Back to the pot. Most re-watchable scene, I have a few. I think one of the keys to this movie is it's got really, distinct rewatchable scenes.

We mentioned loud and dropping a 178 beating Cooch. Yeah. And then it immediately kicking into Journeys Only the Young, which is a good journey song. Yeah. I don't think it's a top five journey song, but it's in the discussion for, you know, if you're going to do your top 10. It's just good. It's a nice little kick in.

The next one would be, I just think shoot carrying the log up the steps. Then I'm going to see him. You just like to rewind that. They're going to see him like he's Bigfoot or something. They're like, oh, I heard. They have no idea. Like, hey, we're shoot. Oh, he's outside climbing the stairs of the log.

Oh, okay. Yeah, let's go. By the way, it was cold apparently that day, and they put glycerin on his face to make it look like sweat. Oh, really? Yeah. It was not sunny out. Shoot plays for, he wrestles for Thompson.

Is that his high school? No, they're Thompson. Laudence Thompson. She shoots for Columbia then? Yeah, yeah. Wait a minute. Columbia was the purple one. Yeah, Columbia is the purple one.

Yeah, Columbia is the purple one. In any case, shoot looks like he is practicing. the Rose Bowl. So I would be curious to know what their football program is like. Yeah, what's the college football stadium situation in Spokane? Well,

wait a minute, Washington, Seattle and then Washington State's the Poulouse. So I don't know. Because that looked like a 50,000 stadium. In the log, I don't know, man. I don't know. Even Larry Bird wasn't doing that in the ages.

It was hollowed out. I did a lot of Frank. I did a lot of Frank Jasper. Okay. I did shoot. Loudon. Next we watch, we'll see Loudoun goes to see shoot. And the crowd's chanting, shoot, shoot, shoot.

And he pins a guy in 10 seconds. And everybody's standing and it cuts back. Loudon's just sitting in his seat like, oh, my God, what the fuck just happened? He's also crushing tape. He's taking notes. That's the best part. That's the sneaky like. Loudon's sitting there.

He's by himself. And he's watching shoot. And then all of a sudden a little microphone opens up. Like he's Roger Sterling and Mad Men dictating his biography going, okay. Shoot. He's out there and you're like, okay. A lot of low leverage lifting here. I don't think he, honestly, here's just a zag.

I don't think that that guy Loudoun would be able to afford a tape recorder at that point. We saw his truck. What if he borrowed it from the AV department at his library, though? I think he stole it. Probably stole it. I think Carl would be. He would, that kid's Loudon stole in junior high. I know we talked about it, but I'm just so impressed by what they did was shoot in this movie,

where he's just mysterious, but he's not a villain. He's not the typical shitty 80s villain that is in all these movies. He's just honestly, like they present him like the shark and jaws or something. He's just kind of circling around and you're just gaining fear as you watch him. And his high school band used to play the Jaws theme. Did they? Yeah, there's a little Jaws theme in there as he stalks the ring. And so Frank Jasper, who is the character?

Half Fest, save it for Half Fest. I keep forgetting the categories. I think Bill does, too. I listen to the Sundance one. I felt so much better after listening The Once Upon Time in Hollywood Rewatchable from Sundance where both Sean and Chris were like,

no, what are you doing? They're correcting me? Yeah, and I go, oh, okay, so nobody knows what we're doing. That was the altitude, though. Next rewatchable scene Loud and Climbing the Wall with John Wade's change kicking in. That whole thing, the coach is like,

this is done, 168, it's over, and he comes back out. Otto, the big guy's like, you think you're better than us, does that whole thing. That's your problem. You're not a team player, and you never was. I get a bulletin for you, Otto. wrestling is not a team sport

when you're out there on the mat with another guy who's quicker and fast than you're just not a whole hell of a lot of teams to do for you and all of a sudden the song kicks in and he's climbing the wall what is Otto yellow at him? Isn't he like, I can't do that?

Right, he went over Otto immediately. I've thought now that there should be this pegboard installed here at the ringer. So like if somebody... In the court? Yeah. So like if Chris Ryan comes up and he goes, you know, Good job of the podcast, everything.

Chris is like, well, I'd like to, could we reach out to, like, Michelle Obama? Could we get her on? And then Bill goes, hey, look, Chris, like, congrats on everything in your life to this point. But, like, let's be real here. If anybody's getting Michelle Obama, it's going to be your boy, Billy Simmons. And then Chris runs out in the courtyard here at Gower Studios, and there's a pegboard, and he goes all the way up it. And he gets to the top. Michelle!

And then he drops down. And then Bill goes, looks like you got yourself an A-list guest. You got the first lady. That's basically what the board represents. is that whatever you think is impossible if you can climb up this begboard, then everybody immediately has to have your back, even if they've been shitting on you for two hours in a movie.

Fantasy is yelling at you that you think you're bigger than the ringer. And then it's like, I can't do that. Podcasting is an individual sport. It's not about you, Chris. It's about the pod. And then he turns down to fantasy. He's like, it's bigger than that, man. About a vision quest.

All right, so we'll get Michelle Obama. Okay. Next one, Laden loses by medical default to Lewis Smith. So pissed off. They got really creative with the white names here. I feel like they could have the bloody nose.

Yeah, but the black names like. Lewis Smith. Yeah. Loudon, shoot, the half Native American kid. Yeah. And then it's like, oh,

Lewis Smith. Pons can't ran out of names. Yeah. I don't think they should have stopped it. I didn't agree with it. It also caused him the match. There's also a way out of sequence where he's wrestling at 178.

But by this point, he is now fainted. He's basically bleeding constantly. Constantly bleeding. And he has constant erections. Yeah. He's falling apart. Right.

And one thing that's really interesting is there's so much of an emphasis put on weight loss in this movie that you never really see much technique work. Like I know he does some wrestling practice stuff, but you're just kind of like never clear how good Loudoun is at wrestling. All I know is he's good at losing weight. Now, I thought the wrestling part of this was really good. Like clearly Modin's an athlete. Yeah. And they showed him with his professor there and they were just touching a bad, like the first thing you can just tell immediately the way a guy touches the basketball. And they're like, oh, okay,

Mo Dean's like played a little bit. Like Bachelor of Pete pot. His, his lat pull-down form is the worst fucking form in the history of lap pull-downs. Okay? It's so incredibly bad. It was as if the contest was, who here on set wants to do this thing where it looks like you're the least familiar

with this exercise? And Modine's like, I got it. And he starts just, he doesn't have enough weight on it. And instead of like pulling it down to one, place you're supposed to bring in front of your chest. He's swinging it down so that the weight actually

smashes the top of the rack and then he drops it and then he keeps repeating it. And it reminds me like, I remember one time my dad, who I love, you know, he's a big guy and he didn't have enough weight on the lap pull-down thing. So he started just like ripping it. And some lady was like, I don't think you're doing that right to him. And my dad was like, it's not enough weight.

And I go, dad, you like, you don't know what you're just going to relax on this thing. And yeah, what Modine does there set back lap pulldowns for a decade. We've done so many rewatchables podcasts. Quentin Tarantino has been in a room with us and I've never seen Craig this happy. Lat full downs.

It's that bad. Like, I'm not overstating this. Like, if you haven't seen the movie, you're going to see that scene and go, wow. Yeah, it's tough. They could have fixed it. And I've never understood.

I've never understood, like, weightlifting in movies, TV shows or like if it's like a jail scene and it's a gang. Yeah. And it's like, okay, let's like heavy hitters, thug life across the abs, you know, cigarette in the ear. And the guy's repping out like 95 pounds on the fucking incline. And I'm supposed to be afraid of these guys. I think like limited access to weight, right?

No, but you just put more weight on the bar or like the guy who's like in the garage and he's about to become a killer. And you're like, all right, this guy's really deranged. And he's got like sand-filled plastic weight things from Sears. And he's reping out like 80. And I'm like, well, hey, get back to me in a couple months. And then I'll be more intimidated by this character. Hollywood has forever fucked up weightlifting. Not like I'm some genius about it, but just have a guy come by and be like, this looks so stupid.

Well, it sounds like, so I always wanted to be the sports movie consultant. That's what I've been asking for. You want to be the weight training consultant for movies. In all prison movies, he's like, hey. It'd be the easiest job. We'd be like, okay, what do you guys have here? And be like, uh, we've got a couple 20s and they're pink. Like, can we get some 40s and make them black?

All right, my job's done. Next rewatchable scene, Elmo's big speech. Oh, God, the Pele story? The Pele story. Tears to my eyes. It's not that big a deal, Elmo. I mean, it's six lousy minutes on the mat. It's that.

You ever hear of Pele? Yeah. He's a soccer player. Very famous soccer player. There's a room here one day. I'm watching a Mexican channel on TV. I don't know nothing about Pele. I'm watching what this guy can do with a ball on his feet.

Next thing I know, he jumps up in the air and flips into a somersault and kicks a ball in, upside down and backwards. The goddamn goalie never knew what the fuck hit him. And Pele gets excited and he rips off his jersey and starts running around the stadium, waving it around over his head. Everybody's screaming in Spanish. I'm here sitting alone in my room. I start crying.

Yeah, that's right. I start crying. There's another human being, a species which I happen to belong to. Kick a ball. Lift himself. the rest of us sad-ass human beings up to a better place to be if only for a minute. Let me tell you, kid, it was pretty goddamn glorious what happens in it. I used to when I, on my old site, even before I got TSPN, I think like the fifth column I ever wrote was the 30 Best Sports Movies of All Time.

And one of the key things I had for the sports movie is the chill scene. And it was like, if you want to be like in the highest level of sports movies, there has to be a chill scene. And there has to be the, you know, Rocky running the steps. You have to have in this movie, almost big speech or whatever. And if you don't have the chill scene in the movie, it just feels like something's missing. Rosie Perez on Jeopardy, you know? Rosie Perez.

This movie has a couple of chill scenes, but this speech, you just, by the end of it, you're like, oh, man, now I'm really ready for the match. It's done as well as it can be done. It's also kind of like, it's awesome because it just harkens back to a different era of sports on television or sports and people. lives where that was probably like wide world of sports or the yeah world cup and he was watching it on a shitty like black and white tv and like you know like your access to like global sports like that was pretty limited and to have him articulate it in that particular way is like actually like a very perfect articulation of like what makes sports great not the six minutes no that's what happens in the six minutes which is one of the most dramatic lines in movies yeah like if you think of all the

Like, you know, sometimes I just miss my friend. Yeah. Or like, McGruber, you've been shot. Right. You know, some of the really all-timer lines. McGruber? McGruber. The scene is so good that it almost doesn't fit in the rest of the movie.

Right, right. And the setting of it is perfect. Like, here's this guy who's the chef at the hotel. You know, it's a dumpier hotel, I imagine. You know, and he's always firing a dart in the back. and they arm wrestle and there's this awesome. Like, it's a really good bonding thing. It's more of a character as a father

than his actual father in the movie. And then you roll in, he still has toilet paper stuck to his face where he cut himself shaving. He's got this beat to hell white button down. You know it's the only one he owns, probably the only tie he owns. There's a couple empty bud heavy cans

hanging out of the back. And then I can't tell if that's some sort of tonic or an empty bottle of whiskey. Or like an after shave or something. Yeah, is it after shave or bourbon. There's barely any lights on Electricity has probably been shut off. Everywhere.

And this J.C. Quinn guy's like Elmo, right? Yeah. You know, as I called in sick to come watch you wrestle because of the six-minute thing. It's a great, it's also a great detail. It's the best scene of the movie. Because Loudon would know if you call in sick, that's like 25% of your paycheck. Like that's like you're not. It says it, right, because you're going to get docked if they find out you're not.

Well, it's also, it's the end of this, like this first air of sports movies. A lot of them had the speech. and in ways that they actually would get awkward where they were trying to work in the speech. But, you know, it's longest yard, first one ever. And he pulls everyone. It's fourth down. It's the last play.

And Reynolds runs back to the sidelines. And they're like, where's it going? And they all hud around him. And he does that speech. She's like, we've come to his far to stop now. For granny, for Nate. For caretaker. Let's do it.

And then every movie after that was trying, trying to recreate that speech and Rocky had it and all the way through. This is probably the best, like, victory has the Pele where they're about to escape. And he's like, Hatch, please, you know how much this game ends to us. But then everybody started doing it in non-sports movies. Like, then became this chill, like, in 80s movies where it was the nerd, like Revenge of the Nerds, you know? Like, all of these movies were having this moment where it was, okay, we did our montage, we did the bad guy. We did the smoke show 80s blonde.

that everybody's trying to get after. And then it's like, okay, but where are we 20 minutes to the end of the movie where everybody gets on the same? The hardest thing about those speeches, it's the best version of this. And the hardest thing about these speeches is to actually write those speeches in character.

A lot of the times you'll have somebody who's like not particularly articulate or is really complicated or whatever. And then all of a sudden he turns into Robert Frost. Like that happens, I always thought that happened a little bit, even though it's like completely gripping the Billy Bob Thornton's speech in the movie version of Friday Night Lights

where all of a sudden he's just like, like put this person in. your heart, you're about to live forever, all this stuff and you're just like, this guy didn't say shit like this throughout the entire movie. True. But this is like, feels pretty accurate to what Elmo would be able to muster. And this weird story about Pele, it's so good. It's, like, if you were to say, okay, and then we're going to have this emotional scene

where this movie's, it goes in so many different directions. Sometimes it goes too fast. Sometimes it doesn't really explain anything. You mentioned the scene with Carla. He also sniffs her panties and that's like out of nowhere. And you're like, Carla's really forgiving. Yeah. But I.

I can't, you're right, Chris, I can't imagine outlying it being like, all right, we're going to have the shorter cook here, he's going to do this Pele thing and teach some life lesson and it's all going to hit. Yeah. It's going to make sense. I mean, you're actually going to be inspired. You know what that's like. But like the way back to Ben Affleck movie, what is the promo

for that right now is kind of their chill moment. And that's what we're hearing. And that so far from the promo of it, I'm like, oh, that's really good. Ben Affleck's like, hey, they're going to be better than you. They probably have a better coach, but they haven't been through the shit we've been through. That's why I'm excited to see that movie. I can't wait to see the movie.

I like sports movies, and I like when they have these moments like that. So can we do a quick way back digression? Sure. Because he's supposed to have turned down a full ride to Kansas, that guy in the trailer. You know, it's originally called The Has Been. Right. So is he supposed to be Heinrich? Like, how old, what class would he have been with?

Like, Paul Pierce at Kansas? Oh, you're trying to figure out if he played with Raeful friends. I think it's right before Paul Pierce. Okay. It's like mid-90s. So post-Danny Manning. Yeah. It's like kind of that.

Okay. Yeah. It's when things fell apart a little bit. The speech, people keep trying and trying to top Elmo for years. And then finally, Pacino does it in any given Sunday. And that's the best version of the speech. And he really earns it because his character, that whole movie, caring about the big picture and football and people, and then it all pays off in that.

But I think this is one of the great speeches. Modine is in any given Sunday. This is on the Mount Rushmore for me for sports movie speeches. Yeah. that Pacino, Bert Reynolds and Longest Yard, and I don't know what the fourth one is, I'd have to think about it.

But next rewatchable scene, Carla showing up in the locker room after she's disappeared. They had sex. Then she decides, you know what it'll be cool? If I leave two days before the big match, that's not going to fuck loud enough at all.

He'll be fine. She takes off. I got a paragraph in my notes on this. Yeah, we can do that later. She comes back. You didn't even say goodbye. Look, if I hadn't left like I did, you wouldn't even be here.

You were ready to forget the whole thing What you want me to say? Thank you? I don't want you to say anything, Loudon. I just think people ought to do what they set out to do. And she's like, sorry and leaves. But then the lunatic French starts, and she comes back, hey, Loudon, kick his ass.

Hey, Loudon, kick his ass. Then he goes through jump rope. That whole expertly executed for 80s movie standard. I really enjoyed it. The big final match is great. There's some scoring issues that we'll go into. Great chill scene at the end. For me, most rewatchable scene is the almost speech.

Yeah, me too. I'm also partial to change with John Waite in the pegs. That would be like, I mean, two really iconic 80 scenes. I'm just going to switch it up a little on some of the scenes. Yeah. Because his constant, like, every now and then when you think you have Modin figured out in this, you're like, what? Like, what are you doing? Right.

You know? And when they went on the drive to the grandfather's house, When he's like, look, you need to see his grandfather. And apparently his grandfather lives in fucking Mexico. Because they were like, where's he live? Oh, he's got a cabin in the woods. They had out in his truck. They got to sleep in the woods.

They had like a camp out. Do you think that truck just tops out at 31 miles per hour? Like, what are you? That's a really, really good point. And then when he just, he starts like dropping and, he's like, hey, you know, I get a ton of wet dreams. You know, there's a nice thing about working out all this time. They have a lot of nocturnal emissions. What you mean?

Like wet dreams? It's a great way to wake up. If you did just a list of the seven weirdest things he did, he'd be in prison. You'd go, I'd hate this guy. It's like the pre-pulled a Joker. Oh, like a line of the pod right there. What's age the best?

I like Cooch saying you're out of Vision Quest, man. You're trying to find your place in the circle. I don't know what that means, but as people who listen to this podcast, no. I love when they weave the title into dialogue. What am I really even doing? You're on a vision quest, man. You're trying to find you place in a circle. The title of the movie, when it snuck in?

You're on a vision quest, man. Growing up, back then, you had to see the title at some point. It's like, when Red turns to Andy's like, it's the Shawshank Redemption. The heat around the corner. That's right. Another one's aged the best. Early Madonna, the fact that she's in this movie, And we didn't do enough of the backstory of this where the producers are like,

this lady's going to be a big star. We got to work her in. They film this thing with her. She becomes a huge star. And then by the time this movie came out, they're marketing Madonna almost more than the wrestling Matthew Modin thing. And it's like, we've hit the lottery.

It would be the equivalent of like having Billy Elish in a movie right now multiplied by a hundred if she would be over that. I mean, I guess you could say that that is the case with the Bond movie that Billy Elish just wrote the song for. but the video for this, and this was a huge song, is just Vision Quest footage. Right.

It's just them slow dancing and him training, and you're just like, that was on like 18 times a day on MTV. It was on all the time. It was crazy. I think people probably know this movie way more as the music video for Crazy for you than the movie itself. And unfortunately, I felt like it overshadowed Gambler a little bit.

Because I'm a gambler. Yeah, gambler didn't really break through the way. And I just, you know, I would think Madonna in 85, but again, if it was filmed in 83, like, that place is busier. Modin's a high school kid, and he rolls right into this place. Yeah, they're not checking IDs or is it 18? Well, the drinking age, I have to imagine, because I think Vermont was like the last holdout and then the federal government. Do you want to do this now? Because I had this for picking nits.

Well, it sounds like you want to do it now. I think we should get it over with. Hot Route. She's in Spokane. Yeah? But she's this talented, obviously talented pop singer. the most overqualified for that bar probably you could possibly get. She's rattling off crazy for you

and Gambler. We're in the middle of fucking nowhere in Washington. Just guys like, probably like the life are alcoholics and then people who are just eating ribs and she's playing like really glistening pop music. Yeah, like she should be in Hollywood. She should be in like the Viper Room or wherever.

Madonna or Carla? Madonna. Madonna? Or Carla. Yeah, that too. But yeah, the Madonna thing is weird because you'd think that that bar would be just like almonds all the time. It's just playing.

I would just think there would be, I don't know, football games on the TV and there are no music at all, right? Just like some Seattle SuperScibly basketball game or shit like that. X-Man's playing. Like, why do they even have live music? It's a fucking sports bar. Yeah, it feels like like Gwen Stefani at the Northside Tavern outside of Buckhead. Yeah. There you go.

Can I pick a – are we doing nitpicks or no? No, we're not there. Okay. Damn it. So many. The soundtrack. We have Journey, we have Madonna, we have John Wait. Ario Speedwagon.

We have foreigner, Sammy Hagar, quarter flash, heart of my hearts in the background. Ario Speedwagon, Red Rider with Lunatic Fringe, Stout Council, and Berlin, no more words. Berlin, no more words, also in the karate kid. And then Tangerine Dream did the score. Tangerine did, it's really a great soundtrack. I was actually looking at it on Spotify thinking that probably has the highest batting average of any mid-80s soundtrack, I would guess, right? By the way, overseas, this movie was called The Crazy for You movie. Oh, was it?

Capitalized on Madonna. Another Wood's Age the Best. Really good jogging scenes? I like the wide shot of the Spokane side, the skyline and the mountains and the bridge. That bridge is in it a lot. Great bridge, yeah. They really beat the bridge in the ground. And then the cast, just a lot of, not only the people we've mentioned, but Daphne's

in it. She's greatness. Coming off of Sure Thing. And then heading toward Joe as Melrose Place, which I know you probably had some thoughts on. I love seeing her. Yeah. I just,

she was so supportive. I mean, she's in it early. And I'm like, all right. Joe. She's so expressive. She's the one he should have dated.

She's the one he should have dated. She's kind of like Vision Quest's boof. And I feel like he winds up with March. Good point. rate at all. Low. Really. See, that's age

the best. He's like two lines. He's like Janus at the end of the All-Star game. Just this cast. Oh, yeah.

Harold Sylvester, who were going to cover in a second, Cooch, who was the hunk from 16 candles, who is Jake. Yeah. On my wife's Mount Rushmore and does not understand. So he was a former model, became an actor,

and was out of the business by the late 80s, and that was it. And then Ronnie Cox. Beverly Scott. One of the great 80s IMDB runs. Yeah. Beverly Cop. Cop.

Total Recall. A whole bunch of them. And then that's all I have. Do you have any of the What's Age the best? I really love like just the 80s locales. So the supermarket where they go shopping and he gets all the tide boxes fall on them. Really good looking high school. Like very accurate 80s high school, I thought.

Yeah. I do have a question about whether, did you guys have a high school radio station that made pretty gossipy announcements during lunch? That's an 80s movie device that does not exist in real life. But it's like, hey, Bill Simmons is thinking about. writing a column for the school of paper. We'll have to see how that pans out. Here's Sammy Hagar. It's like, what the fuck is going on?

Riscilla, yeah, Riscilla asked out Darcy on a Thursday. That went poorly. Riscilla's a load at Litch again. Hey, what's up? Hanging out with your friends? Tell us about that salad bar, bro. You know, 902 had that too when they were in high school where Donna and David had the morning radio show.

That was just as people were walking to class. What is this? It's underutilized. It's like, do the high school? Do the Right Thing Has it. Reservoir Dogs kind of has it, although they're not talking about what's happening in the movie, obviously.

The Warriors had it. It's really good to just be like, hey, word on the streets. Ryan Rosillo and Bill Simmons are going to Sweet Green. The Warriors had the best version of it. There's another one, though. Warriors one actually works and seems important to the storyline.

It's not gleaming the cube. It's a baseball cube. Pump up the volume. Just pirate radio. Do you want to be on that one? Should we pivot? Should we pivot? We're doing that thing.

this year. We should pivot to pirate radio. I'd rather hold out for gleaming the cube. We're doing Pump of the Vine because it invented podcasting. Wow. Maybe. Yeah. No, no, it did.

No, I'm not disputing. I'm talking about my schedule. Hard Harry is the first podcaster. I think I'm going to wait until we do. Hard Harry should be getting royalties from the ringer. Don't give it all over it. I don't know why I've said yes to this many without doing fear, but that's another topic. Well, I have a surprise for you, surprise announcement on camera.

This is an eight episode flawed rewatchables. With? Fear is going to be one of the eight. Why is it in the flawed? Because it's totally flawed. What are you talking about? What? Just like random, just off the grid, one percenters hanging out with high school people.

They're like, hey, what do you want to do? Go to the mall? Let's go to that meth house with those 30-year-olds. Yeah. That's better. What's age the worst? We mentioned the Loud and Carla in the basement. It was horrible. There's some weird gay undertones with this that I don't...

You want to talk about the Tai Chi guy? I don't know how much of... It is mid-80s just... It was just a theme of a lot of 80s movies or... It's the second straight 80s movie we've done that essentially opens with like a homophobic scene. Yeah, there's like some gay panic stuff, but I don't know whether that's trying to tie into

he's just a teenager. Right. Hormones raging. Just trying to figure out life. But if you Google, there's some pieces written about it where people feel like there's a lot of underlying stuff. We don't need to go into that. Casting what ifs. I couldn't find anything.

Who would you put, do you have any, you know... I had Michael J. Fox as... As mine? As my name? A shoot? Teeny others is Carla? Don't call him chicken. A recasting couch.

I actually liked all the actors of this. I wouldn't change any. We have some, uh... Cruz would have been an interesting Loudon. I don't think he pulls off the horny part enough. He's five three, too, right? I just think like Carla's character, even though I ended up liking. her, you can almost see her improvement from the beginning of when she first comes out on

to the screen to the end. As an actress. Yeah. And it's her first movie. So it's not to be critical of her. But if it's a real movie and it's getting made right out of the jump, you're like, okay, we get it. You're a little rough around the edges.

Jesus. You know, she's like, where are you from? Like Trenton. And you're like, okay, Trenton, good pick. They're rough. You know, she's rough. And she was from Philly anyway, so it's kind of close to Trent. And then I don't know what happens.

I don't know what happens. like in the course of however it was 10, 13 weeks to shoot this, towards the end, it's like more believable. So whatever she was going there to be rough, it was like she oversold it so much that you kind of like at home. We're like, oh, all right, this is a little weird. And then I looked it up like, oh, that's her first movie ever. And by the time the movie's over,

she's just a more believable character in every single way. Yeah. I was going to put this later, but I'll just do it now. They should have just had Madonna and Carolla be the same character. So she's a pop singer who's in town? She's moving to San Francisco to become a singer and car breaks down. She's moving to become an artist. If she's singing in the Madonna scenes and he's watching her sing,

that pushes like his love for her to another level. We never see her sing once. She's this alleged... Carla? She's a painter. I thought she was a singer. She wants to be a painter. Once in a see her watch this.

I thought she wanted to be a singer. She drew a picture of him. I'm going to see a Francisco to become a painter. And he's like, what kind of painter? She's like, canvas. Paint? Yeah. Well, I knew that too, but I thought she also sang.

No. She said she said at the beginning she was a singer? No. Yeah, scrap it. Sorry. Was that in like a director's cut on Amazon? Is that like a town where they go to the stripland? Could you merge those two characters though?

Yeah. Yeah, sure. I actually think that's like an incredible. That's like a two-for-one. But if she's the pop singer, why? So she's like staying with Loudon's dad because her van broke down on tour. Is that what you're saying? Or she just wants to get singing.

Can we break down what that scene is really quickly? So he shows up a great scene. Garage. A car sales. who Ronnie Cox is working for tries to sell Carla a lemon or has sold Carla a lemon and she was mad. Ronnie Cox is like, gets a piece of shit and so she punches the salesman.

No, he punches. I think he punched the salesman. Because remember he has like his bandage on his hand? And then he's like, you're fired from my car lot. Okay, I got it now. Yeah. That is not easy to break. I was like, what the hell is going on?

Yeah, I have to rewind that one. They give you two things where he's supposedly hit the guy because his boss sold a lemon to this girl from Trent and Carla, who's like full tank top, obviously cold. And it's like, we're just going to show you sex immediately with this character. And now they're going to be like horny Mo Dean's like, hey, Dad, can we keep her? Yeah.

Moteen needs to be like hit with a whip. They put the lotion in the basket. He makes these be tased. Best that guy, aka the Joey Pants. Best that guy, aka the Joey Pants a word. Harold Sylvester. Yes. Tanneran.

Incredible IMDB run. He was DC-Dacey and Fast Break, my favorite movie of all time. He was the NBA star in Inside Moves, a movie neither of you have seen. No. He plays for the Golden State Warriors. I'm going to force you guys to watch this movie. Sure. It's 1980.

It's great. But he's on the Golden State Warriors, the bartender who's at this bar of cripples, and he hurt his knee. the cripples get all this money together to get this guy an NBA tryout. He ends up making the Warriors and there's all these scenes

with him on the Warriors like with Robert Parrish and Purvis Short and all these it's fucking out of control. He's a big, Harold Sebastian, big Hill Street Blues guy too, right? Yeah, and he was officer

and a gentleman too. He was the guy that Richard Gehr steals his thing. So he was kind of, I would say the Omar Epps of this generation where it was just like, we need a black guy,

every movie has one black guy They're like, ah, Harold Sylvester, let's grab him again. Right. And when he's playing basketball early and you can tell he played, so I imagine the scenes with the Warriors are good enough. Like, they're passable. You've seen Fast Break, right? No.

Oh, my God. You look shocked right now. Really? Yeah. Oh, man. Sorry. Your eyes just got wet. It's the most politically incorrect sports movie ever made.

And this was the case 20 years ago. But now it's like out of control, but now it's out of control. Gabe Kaplan, Bernard King? Yeah, I don't think I've seen it. Oh, man. Is the poster right there? Yeah. What year is it, 80?

79. Yeah, so I'm four. So, you know, there's certain things that happen where you miss it. Yeah. Like, I, that doesn't... Gabe Capon gets his job in Las Vegas. This doesn't happen a lot, right? Yeah.

But you're... Oh, good, I'm just going to shut up. Small basketball job in Vegas. He's in New York. He wants to turn the program immediately, and he just builds around all these people who shouldn't be in college. I promise you'll like it. I mean.

Promise me and watch it this week. This week? This week. Right now. Right when we're going to be in. leave. Let's pause the podcast. I'll watch it now. Hold on. Rousseau's going to watch Fast Break. We'll be back. The Vince and Hannah, they knew award for overacting? Yeah. I got Zaniga here. Oh. Yeah. I had

Cooch's abusive dad. I really thought. Oh, yeah. That's the manager for Major League. Yeah. He really dials it up. Yeah. What's the matter with you, kid? You ain't got the ball to fight an old man. You ain't got the balls to fight an old man. You're just like a goddamn love. You got damn fuck! just slaps the hell out of them. What is that scene, too? Honestly, slaps the Native American out of them. After that scene, Cooch is like,

this whole Indian thing I'm doing, fake. Because he's running around with a mohawk, he's got the Indian motorcycle, he's got the vest, like he's a man, you're on a vision quest. The everywhere spirit. And he's like, actually, I'm German. That guy really dials it up. So one of those two, the Dian Wader's a word,

Elmo the chef. What about the Tai Chi guy, no? I'm going with him over the chef. Okay. He has a pretty big scene. I have the Tai Chi guy coming up later in a segment that's going to blow your mind. Okay, I'm just going to add this to you, the wrestling coach, the head coach. Yeah.

Like that guy. To always be in that singlet. No matter what he's wearing underneath. Yeah. Like that's a bit of a Deon Waiter's moment where you go like, hey, you're going to run over here. Singlet or no singlet, because I'll do it in the singlet. Be like, do it in the singlet? I think for it's just constantly in it.

And then I'll have like a button down underneath it. We should do like a jackass segment where I just wear a full Sixers uniform over like jeans and a sweater every day at work and see how people get freed that. Yeah. Yeah. Just see what Riley's face looks like. That was that Will Ferrell thing where he played that character where it was that country guy. And he was, would you remember this?

Was this not Ricky Bobby, right? No, no, no. This is when he was on SNL. And I know we're derailed here a bit, but it's one of my favorite stories ever. He did it with Conan and where he, where he, he had this bit where he was like this country guy. It was like the guy that was in smoking the band with the trucker hat and the vest. He was like, hey, hey, what's going?

And the writers are like, hey, you're going to wear that out at the after party. He was like, all right, cool. And then he's like, and then they were like, you should wear it all week and wear it to like the pitch meetings. And Farrell's like, all right, yeah, yeah, this is brilliant. He goes, I was wearing it. And then the longer I wore it, people kept wanting me to wear it more and more. And he goes, and finally, like, Alec Baldwin was there and had seen me. And he's like, what is this your thing?

like, I would stop doing this. He's like in barrels going. I thought I was like this hero because I'd be doing errands in the middle of the day, New York City, and this outfit still because the writers would be like, yeah, I keep doing it. It's great. Anyway, sorry, I just love that story. We're going to edit that out? No.

Nothing gets edited it. Including Bill thinking that Carl is a singer, that has to stay. Half-ass internet research. You mentioned they changed the title of crazy for you in a couple of countries. Here was what Modin said on Madonna a couple years ago. She looked like boy George. The producers are saying this girl was going to be such a big star, but I remember people not really being impressed.

Mo Dean. Ouch. Jesus. Shoot 250-pound bodybuilder, drop down to 189 and two and a half weeks before a scene were filmed. You want to do your shoot stuff now? Frank Jasper, yeah. So he was like a trainer,

really smart guy, and he was up to like 225. So I know Craig was big on like the weight loss part of it. So he never got to 168. He's jacked. He's like 189. But then they'd have like a scene where they go, hey, we need you to come back. And he'd be like, dude, I'm back to 220.

And then he had to like cut down again. So he had to cut down a couple different times. And the way he even got the role is he found out like there was this movie being filmed close to where he was. And he was like, all right, maybe I can hang out, like, be a stuntman or whatever. And somebody's like, well, he wrestles. So that's exactly what we need. And he's like, there was a couple of other people they wanted. He's like, then it came down to me and another guy.

And they essentially had like this thing where there was. the producers and directors, and they were like, read these lines. They were like, all right, now do a move against him. And now you do a move. And it was sort of a wrestle off. And he won. I mean, what better way to get a part where he wrestles? He wins, and then he wins the part.

The sad thing is, is like, he doesn't show a ton of range in the movie. Yeah. So he moved to L.A. He doesn't get an Elmo moment. Right. He moved to L.A. right after and was like, well. I think he's perfect acting wise for this part, but he's also, it's not a launching pad part. No, it's the kind of thing where if it was your, if it was your, if it was

your buddy, you'd be like, I can't, holy shit. Like, this is amazing. Like, Frank got it. Now he's in this movie. But then you would all talk shit behind his back when he moved to L.A. to, like, become an actor. Because you'd be like, well, come. Right. Yeah. You'd be so jealous and enraged. How about this? He'd be happy when he came back and he failed

two years later because you were like, boy, he didn't really do anything except look jacked. The guy who played Cooch, Michael Schofling, an accomplished collegiate wrestler, won a gold for the U.S. and freestyle Wrestling as a member of the National Junior Wrestling Team in the European Championships in 1978.

So he had to actually scale it back to get his ass kick by Modin in the opening scene. He was like, he could have beaten Modin in five seconds. That's not, I mean, he's another PA guy. There's nothing on, it's Shafling, you said? Yeah. There's nothing on him. Like, I was looking to see how he's...

There's not even like pictures of him as a little guy. He's kind of disappeared. Yeah, he's 59 now and there's, I can't find any... It's out of the business. like by 90, 91. Apex mound. Wait, I have one more piece of half-ass internet research. Later, like about 25 years later,

Modin gives an interview to the Spokane newspaper. And he tells the story, goes, I was walking Venice Beach, California recently, and the driver of a car literally stepped out of his moving car and marched toward me saying, dude, you have no idea. Vision Quest saved my life. His car smashed into a wall.

He was so emotional, I gave him a hug. Forget about the car. Who cares, dude? You have no idea. That guy was Bill Simmons. It was. No, that's a story. I fixed the car.

Yeah, right. What's your story with Mo Dean? Like, did you ever know him? It seems like Mo Dean should be like four or five-time BS guest. Talking Knicks. Talking full metal. I think he got mad at me for something. He took something personally.

Do you remember what it was? I said on a podcast. Was it about Pacific Heights? No. It was a movie he made in the last six or seven years. And I remember he came at me at Twitter a little bit. And I went right back at him with like, I'm a huge fan. What are you doing?

Like, it was one of those and it got squashed. I think he thought I was making fun of him, but I wasn't. Were you, so you've never had him on? Never had him on. He's, I would love to have him on. Because he was also in the band played on that I loved. There's something about Modin that's actually, like, no one's ever going to say, hey, he's the best.

Great Knicks fan. But he's always kind of good in every. He's also, seems like he's living life right. And he also, he's so different. he's got this he's got like the most relaxed if we were a basketball player would be like how did that guy get 20 like it was so slow and it didn't really matter me like no no he's totally in control it's this relaxed thing and it's like different he's not doing anybody else he's like only doing it the way he does it and it works way more than it doesn't for his career in this movie he's playing a selfish over-sex

failed date rapist who is like it's the worst guy on his team i don't think this is going to be the bridge to moody you're hoping it's and you're rooting for him the whole thing you're rooting for him the whole movie. You put it that way. No, but he but he's still doing Modine. Right. And you're just like, I just like Modin. I'm in on this guy. Picking Nits. Oh, no. Let's take a break then we'll do Apex Mountain.

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This is Apex Mountain for nobody. 1980s wrestling movies? Apex Mountain. Spokane. Michael Shaflin? Probably Spokane. Michael Shafling and Frank Jaspers? 16 candles.

Frank Jasper. It is Frank Jasper's Apex Mountain. Yeah. What did you call the thing the wrestling coach wears? Singlet. The Singlet? Apex Mountain for the Singlet? I always feel like the Singlet, Apex Mountain, would always be that Saturday afternoon

wrestling that we got his little kids growing up where we get hosed. You never get any good matches on TV. And then, you know, whatever, like, famous guy would come out. And then it'd be like, Cliffs. That guy, that was Singlet, you know. John Wait. Either this or sent him almost fire I think it's well you mean John Wait in movies

Because I think Missing You is a bigger song than this right That's John Wade isn't it? Was missing you before or after this? I'll look it off one second I think 1985 was just his overall Apex Mountain would be my take Missing is 84 Spokane

Have you ever been better than this? No I haven't Did it ever get better for Spokane than this movie? We'll hear about it if it did I don't know enough about it I'm going to I'm going to I'm going to

out there who thinks it got better Thorntino I think it's that Pete Berg movie Yeah and she was in men In black And then she has like a nice little run there And then she seriously doesn't do anything She does one thing

From 2002 until today She's involved in the Anthony Pelicano case I think she's pretty difficult Ah She worked with our guy Well she's from Philly She did Jade with Caruso That's right

It's me and Chris's guy It's like ultimately everybody has one guy And for me and Chris it's David Gruso Yeah I remember one of the first times I didn't think I liked Bill Was because of how much you liked Caruso Oh yeah And I remember your dad

Didn't your dad say like hey So what are you doing? You're going to ESPN? Well didn't Caruso try to do movies Wasn't that? Your dad did some weird It's almost right It was when I went to go

When I went to go work for Jimmy Kimmel My dad didn't understand it He's like you're going to leave boss then you worked for five years for this calm to take off. It took off and now you're going to work for some TV show that might not make it.

This is like a David Caruso move. I'm like, Dad, I'll see you later. Came in LA. And then a couple years later, I came back. I was like, see old man! Right. TBD. We'll see how it goes. Picking Nets.

Can I go first? If you're from Trenton and you're driving to San Francisco. That was my first one. But she's hitchhiking. Why are you in Spokane? Even if she's hitchhiking, it doesn't make any sense. I mapped it out last night.

The most northern you would go would be maybe Cheyenne. The only thing I could think of is if she had a friend in Washington that she was veering completely out of the way to go safe. But then why not get on the Greyhound and get down to Seattle or wherever it is? Or stay with them instead of horny, weird Modine and underutilized dad, who apparently beats the shit of the people no matter what. Another Carla picking knit. is did she she never wears the same thing twice with the exception of maybe the tank top

but every day has a different jacket The hat she looks great Now are we to believe that maybe How many suitcases? Or is she wearing the mother's clothes Oh Which is creepy but that Zelda Fitzgerald look she has

I'm like where did Who has that just in a duffel bag That she's hitchhiking? She had nine suitcases Because can you make no wonder It's been such a tough beat She's hitchhiking and she's like one second I have all these steamer trunks

Full of vintage clothing I want to pack away I mean, what the fuck is going on with her? Let me just grab my porter. Yeah, exactly. Red Cat. So that was your first one, because there's two ways to go. And from Trenton to San Francisco, it would take 31 or 33 hours.

The southern route is actually longer, I believe. It's a classic 80s fuck up, never realizing that 35 years later would be picking this movie apart. Yeah, they just fucked up. All right, so me going for that was your first one? That was my first one. Why would I ever think that would get past this guy? Did you think about that, too, Chris? I didn't think about the...

The tournament when he loses to Lewis Smith ends with the match in the 178 weight class. I always thought it just went up until it got to the heaviest person. What wrestling tournament ends with 178? Is it just well-known like 168s where all the best guys are? I don't know enough about basketball wrestling either. I can't wait to see how mad somebody gets about that. Let's not knowing.

There's some really weird scoring in the shoot ladder match where it's 9-9-9 with about a middle. minute left and then it jumps to 13 to 9. All of a sudden he's down four points with 27 seconds left when he gets the bloody nose. There's an extra two points in there that we don't see. Really? It's very upsetting.

I don't know that I... Shoot has a takedown at 9-9. See, when I was watching, I didn't have any problems with the scoring. Shoot take-down and it was 9-9, so now it's 11-9. Loud and Bloody Nose goes to the sidelines, scoreboard 13-9.

I thought those points worked out. when I watched it last night. I didn't have any problems with it. This is a nitpick from producer Craig. Would this movie have been better if he was gaining weight if he had to go from 160 or 90? And here's the thing. I don't really feel...

He has to go to Niro, Raging Bull. I don't feel like Modine demonstrably loses a lot of weight in this movie, which is a problem because it's supposed to be 20 pounds, right? 30 pounds? Yeah. It seems like it's actually gaining weight. Different.

Yeah. So I think if the whole thing... It looks great in that one. Yeah, but if he's gaining weight, you would have to do that over the course of the movie. You would have to go chronologically and have him gain. But he can be losing weight by always wearing baggy clothes, always wearing the rubber suit, and only at the very end do we really seem ripped. I'm just wondering on that scoring thing.

Wasn't there like a penalty point for shoot? Maybe for a bloody nose. I thought that there was a penalty. I'm going to be texting you later tonight because now I'm going to go over the scoring again. Any other nitpicks? I didn't even, I wasn't even trying to be. I have someone answerable questions. Okay.

Best quote, we've gone through most of them, but shoots a monster, his own father has to use a live wire to keep him from fucking the fireplace. I don't even know what that means. Yeah. Who fucks a fireplace? Yeah. Shoot some monster, man. A genuine territory. Get real.

His old father has to use a live wire to keep him for fucking the fireplace. Yeah, I know about all that. Yeah, that is a good line. That is pretty great. Could this be remade as a 10? Do you not like I loved your piece on the clitoris? I showed it to my mother. What a blast of the first amendment.

What's what they do is shut down the prance and imprisonment the intellectuals. I loved your piece on the clitoris. I showed it to my mother. Yeah, that was good. March? It was great. Cooch doctor in out of space or whatever that one.

Coos doctor. Cooze doctor and out of space. What the fuck is this? You mean you don't recognize it? Wait a minute, this is Coos. man i'm thinking very seriously of becoming a gynecologist a cooze doctor in outer space man you're flipping out i want to be able to look inside women find the power that they have over me

he goes from like hey i'm going to be a doctor in outer space and i want to talk to the martians we're like whoa like there's just so many different lines that modine has that you just kind of like okay i think i think i got yeah i think i know where this guy's at like okay now he sniffing panties and she again carla handles that really well Like, oh, I've just moved in with this high school guy and his dad. Oh, his kids sniffed my panties. But she's like, don't worry about those panties.

I brought another trunk. And then he's like, no, I'm going to be a space gynecologist. I mean, you're right. Like, it just, there are so many different times. You're like, what? Is the explanation like this guy's 600 cows a day picking away at wheat germ burgers, like just not getting enough food? Yeah, maybe he's like he's going insane. Yeah.

Yeah, that could be it. Because in the Wikipedia summary, it's like Carla, you know, ends up. up in this romance with them, blah, blah, blah, I'm paraphrasing. And yet he feels like his goal of getting to 168, he's distracted by her. And I'm like, I never felt that once. She feels that way. He doesn't feel that way. Yeah, like this kid, he's on a vision quest.

Could this be remade as a 10-episode Netflix show? I actually think it could, and I think that would be an interesting move. It's been 35 years. I don't normally like remakes, but I would sign off on that. Would you update it? Yeah, I would make it a 2020, set it up. I think wrestling works as a, I think. I think it's a really good sports movie gimmick.

It's like boxing, but it's a little more contained. And I kind of like the scoring. Like, World Accord and Garp had some wrestling stuff, too. And I've always kind of liked the takedowns and trying to count the score. And can he get out of the pin and crawl out or somebody to the accidental elbow? And there's just a lot of stuff going on. It's weird that there's only been two wrestling movies. Yeah, I agree with you.

I was trying to figure out whether to update it or not. I would also just take in the whole high school. I just would love, like, some more march. There's no way in the TV show that the high school kid would hook up with the girls staying with them. No. Not in today.

Well, that's the 80s. That's what I mean. 2020, it wouldn't happen. They were going to do remake the movie and one of the guys from Twilight, Taylor was going to play. Laudner? Wow.

Yeah, Taylor, Lautner. That would have been bad. I don't know if he was loosely attached in the city's terms to what it was. But yeah, 2009, there was talk of remaking this. I was thinking one way to maybe remake it is she's loud and's female. in the movie instead of male.

You flip genders on it. Because now there's a lot of like female wrestling. Sure. That's a whole movie. And then some weird outsider dude drifts through town. That part's not going to work. And the mom is like, stay with us. Found this guy to fucking use car lock.

Season two, he's dating the mom. Yeah. Okay. Probably in answerable questions. We covered some of them. Did Charlie Sheen market correct Michael Schaffling? Is there an alternate universe where...

Yeah, because he's basically the Michael Schaffling role in Lucas, right? And in Ferris Bueller? Yes. Yeah. Did he just steal his career? Could it have been... Michael Schaffling and two men and a baby and all these other things. Two men and a baby?

What was the thing he was doing with John Cryer? Two and a half men? Three men and a baby. You're thinking of Gutenberg. Yeah. Two and a half men. The ghost kid? The thing is, is if Shaffling...

What are we talking about if Shafling gets the Wall Street platoon Young Guns run? Yeah. You know? Why not? And no point does he seem like he's not able to hang. Like, he's great in 16 candles. He's really good. That's the thing.

I think Shaflin could have pulled off all of those parts you just mentioned. He could have been in Wall Street. Platoon. It's not like Charlie Sheen was, like, amazing in those movies. He was just Charlie Sheen. I got that. I have a... Boy, this is a good one.

This is going to be the highlight of the pod for me. So he goes in and sees the Tai Chi guy. and the guy has wrestling sneakers, right? And he's like, hey man, I can get you some sneakers. I got sporting goods, yeah. If you watch the movie, if you watch the first two-thirds of the movie,

Loudoun has shitty wrestling sneakers. You go to the tail end of the movie. The red ones. He's got fucking mint, expensive. Nice. Wrestling stink wear it with like skinny jeans in the 80s. Are we supposed to

surmise? We're not. And he sold his body for he made another run with tights. G guy to get the wrestling stuff. No, I don't think so. I think he did.

He's the weirdest guy ever at every turn. And he does seem like he's missing that guy. He's like, where's Kevin from 445? It's weird. When Kevin orders two slices a lemon cake. Lemon meringue. Yeah. Is he like hoping someone comes up and is like have some cake with me?

Yeah, I think it's a move. Okay. And by the way, if you're going to be doing any kind of martial arts training while room service shows up and you open the door and you're like, hold on. And then you have to like bow. out to respect the routine and then you're like, oh, my lemon meringue's here. He's like, I like to do Tai Chi because it chills me out for bed. But first I'm going to have pure whipped cream and concentrated sugar.

And coffee. Yeah, and coffee. And coffee. What's that guy's story? And I'm going to fondle the room service guy. And they get it. And I'm going to turn in. Yeah, I think Loudon, I don't think he paid for those sneakers.

Because the shot of those shoes was a close-up. the director wanted you to know, hey, remember those shoes? And it goes back to there's, you know, there's an underlying theme in this movie that it's hard to separate. Whether it's 80s or whether there's more going on, the wrestling sneakers were a red flag. Sure. So there you go. I knew you would love that, Rissila. I thought about it.

It's in my notes. I don't want to tell you what I wrote down, but. What happens to Loudoun after high school? I mean, probably prison. He's had, he's completed his vision quest. He pinched. He had sex with an older woman who's now going to San Francisco. What next?

Oh, he sucks. He gets his ass kicked in a bunch of different cities randomly. But the thing is, is he's smart enough. But then he kind of becomes like one of those local guys that in the beginning. You think like, oh, this guy's kind of interesting. Like, what's his deal? And he's like, oh, I was at Wazoo. And he was actually all packed.

It would have been packed 10, you know, wrestling. Like, oh, that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. And then all of a sudden he's like, did I ever tell you about the time I went to Neptune? And you're like, oh. He's like, all right, well, let me get another, get another bourbon and I'll tell you about space travel. And you're like, oh, this guy sucks.

He's got a fucking eye patch and holds a log in his hand and is the Unabomber. It's just like that simple. Because he's just out there just being like, here's my, here, I wrote another science article. But then I could also see. Who's writing unprompted science articles? Yeah, that. And he's like, oh, you should check out my science blog. Yeah.

Where is it? We're like, well, I haven't found it the right tech guy. I'm in between tech guys. And then, you know, he also, but he's smart enough to kind of do some other stuff. I could see him starting a cult. and then they're doing a documentary on him and they were like, what's up with Loudon? He would be like, you know, Loudon's like, you know,

it was the early 90s. I hadn't been dating much. Right. And so I decided the best way to meet people, start a cult. I thought goes to University of Washington, wrestles. You dub, it's probably pretty expensive, though. It feels eastern Washington. He goes to state.

Washington State, whatever. Ressels, comes back, becomes a teacher at the school. No way. Him and Tanner him. Then he's out. Becomes teacher at the school and then gets fired after he gets involved with the gym. junior. Totally. Yeah. I think that's how it plays out because he's got the constant erections.

Did you have an unanswerable question? A couple. One is how fucking bad is this kid smell? Because all he does is sweat in a rubber suit and then change right into the clothes he needs to be in for like his day. So he's either getting to work. Can you imagine this guy bringing you room service? And he's been running around in a rubber suit all day and he's like, here's your pie. Not a fan. Probably no tip there unless I'm Kevin from the 445. Kevin gave the tip. Number two, a little concerned about just the org structure of the school newspaper where Marge is both like the editor-in-chief writing editorials but is also the chief sports writer. It just feels like that's a lot. It's a big workload. Yeah.

I think she's actually, she was maybe in the unofficial official score. I couldn't tell. For a match at one point. I'll tell you, she was way ahead of her time with extracurricular activities to try to get into college. I think she went to like Berkeley. Yeah. Yeah, definitely. And that's, yeah, that's all for unanswerable.

So Carla leaves, Loudon starts dating the Marge. Oh, for sure. Well, he has to because Marge obviously tells after he like understands the poem and she's like, I'm in love with you. And then he faints because he's getting nosebleeds all the time. Like Loudon is going to have said such a bad rep after a couple of years of high school and whatever happened at Eastern Washington that she's going to be one of his only options. Right. So they're going to smash.

I had one other nitpick. I forgot to mention the big, the big scene at the end. and they have all the people in the different parts of the audience. Yeah. So it's like Tanor and's over here, but then Elmo's over here and then Carlos here and then

his dad and his grandfather over here. Couldn't they just put everybody in the same realm? Oh, like he should have like a wise and girlfriend's section? A lot of cutaways after he wins before it gets to him holding insane. Speaking of the cutaways, it's almost a little,

it isn't Dennis Hopper Hoosiers showing up to the game, but Elmo, when he like gets mad and shoves a woman out of his head because he's getting in his way and he can't see and then the next cutaway to him I thought it was like a vape pen but he's actually just getting a cigarette going

I get that the smoking thing growing up for like Bill and I was a free-for-all I don't remember mid-80s gyms allowing you in a high school gym I don't think it was that reckless even back then and he's just like this is a hell of a match Ben Simmons and I watch big last night And Elizabeth Perkins is smoking Like everywhere for the first

You know her first 20 minutes in that movie Like she's got SIGs in the limo And at the cocktail party And in meetings and all that It was only 30 years ago So maybe Elmo maybe he was justified So Vision Quest 2 You would center around Elmo

He goes to Brazil to see Yeah Elmo makes the pilgrimage To Brazil To see the To meet a wash down Pele. I'd like to know what happened to shoot. Like, because whenever you're the

badest, when you're the baddest guy, like there's just, and now you have this this thing like, what's it like when you go back to your high school the next day? And I just can't express this enough. If Modian was the best in his weight class already in the 190s and was that unpopular.

Like, that's hard to do. It's hard to be like, hey, I'm one of the best wrestlers and none of the wrestlers want to sit with me. And then I do the peg completion board. Then I guess everything turned around. and oh, by the way, I'm dating a smoking 1885, 21-year-old, and that's like on the record, it's happening.

And I beat shoot, and everybody still doesn't like you? Right. You got to get out of town. I have one more in-answerable question, but I want to do it like it's a first-take segment. You guys ready? Sure.

Who's who here? It's just we're stepping in for first take for a day. All right, Bill Simmons back here on first take. I'm with Chris Ryan and Ryan Rassila. We're going to talk about the big shoot-swain match last night, Guys, did Brian shoot choke? Ryan, what do you think? He's up 13-9, 27 seconds left.

Loudoun has a bloody nose. Ryan, what was he doing? Why wasn't he just trying to get away and run out the clock? I've been saying for three years that shoot was going to fall off a cliff, and even though he won two state titles after I said it, you know, I've told you he was always a system guy. You know, he wasn't good against length. I've been sitting on this show for years despite his success,

saying that I might be wrong, like I knew this day was coming. So I will take my W. I'm looking at the everywhere spirit. I want to see if Loudoun can get tested for any Native American spiritual intervention. Are we sure that shouldn't be banned? Interesting. Or maybe a drug test or something. Here's the thing, shoot.

You're the best guy in Washington. You've never lost before. You're trying, you have this whole, I've pinned everybody I've ever wrestled record. At some point, take the win. Take the win. You're up 13.9. 27 seconds left. Get the win. The job is to win the match. Are we done? That's good. Okay, good. Who won the movie?

Personally, Fiorentino. I mean, that's why I would go back to this movie. I think she's great in this movie. Oh, so you don't agree with me in the beginning where the acting's a little up and down? Oh, I don't mind it. I find it like a little punk rock, kind of like just getting into it. Just kind of like feeling her way through the part. I think Modin wins because he's playing somebody who has a lot of, of unredeeming qualities, and I'm still rooting for him all the way through the movie. What do you think?

I think Atlas's, traditional Atlases win. Yeah, that's right. Because, you know, if these people back then had some sort of Google map or any kind of thing, like, I just still can't believe how long it took to drive to his grandfather's house. Well, his grandfather's house was like in Ontario. It's just sitting there in care. Ontario. What?

Canada. Ontario? Ontario? Yeah. Where's that? I've never heard that word. Ontario? Ontario is, makes it sound like it's never...

Ontario. Ontario would be really far. Yeah. And it did take a while to get there. What's a part of Canada? Ontario. Ontario is... Yeah, Ontario is Canada.

What did I say? Ontario. Oh. I'm tired. These lights are flashing out of me. I think you'd be better off saying like Saskatoon. Yeah. Yeah.

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