The Rewatchables - 'Wedding Crashers,' With Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan and Sean Fennessey

Episode Date: August 16, 2018

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Chris Ryan and Sean Fennessey toast to the 2005 raunchy comedy classic ‘Wedding Crashers,’ starring Vince Vaughn, Owen Wilson, Rachel McAdams, and Bradley Cooper and directed by David Dobkin. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Two people will come together to celebrate the sanctity of marriage. It's wedding season, kid. Crashing weddings. We are going to have tons and tons of opportunities to meet gorgeous ladies that are so aroused by the thought of marriage that they'll throw their inhibitions to the wind. Who are we this time? Lou Epstein, I want you to meet Chuck Schwartz. Sanjay Collins?

Chuck Vindaloo. Shane was Sotoole. Mommy or She. I'm going to get drunk. Okay, so what angle are you going to play here? I'm going to go at the balloon animal display. I'm not dance with the little flower girl. I might be a charter member of Oprah.

Book Club. It's all deadly. Owen Wilson. You know how they say we only use 10% of our brains? I think we only use 10% of our hearts. Vince Vaugh. Tattoo on the lower back. Might as well be a bozai. With Christopher Walken. Wedding Crashers.

Here's the plot for wedding crashers. Jeremy and John are divorce mediators who spend their free time crashing wedding receptions to drink for free and bed vulnerable women. But at the wedding of the secretary of the treasury's daughter, their game hits a bump in the road when John locks eyes with bridesmaid Claire. Sean, does this movie get made in 2018?

Oh my God. You all go right to this? Yeah, let's start. Let's start right there. No chance. It's the most dated 13 year old movie that ever existed. It's actually astonishing. Yeah, it kind of is. I think it's still funny. We can say that it's still funny, right? It's super funny. It's still funny. It's hilarious. It is, it is a real line crosser. Yeah. It's a line crosser and I think the line in a lot of ways started when Twitter took off in 09. And we saw this in movies in different ways. Because you just mobilize if people didn't like something, like, hey, this is wrong.

And then everybody jumps in on it. Even you see movies like Super Bad, Gay slurs just thrown around and that, which would never happen now. Hangover is another one. This was the kind of golden era of the R-rated comedy where there really were no lines. And this was a five-year stretch.

What was your reaction when you watched again, Chris? Well, first of all, it's worth noting that, like, I, too find this very funny and very rewatchable, but it is 52 minutes too long. Yeah. And also has, like, a bunch of the time, the punchline to a lot of the jokes are you're gay, which is this, it's something they played 40-year-old virgin. It's something that's in the hangover where it's like, there's not actually that much more to the joke than it's funny because you're gay. Yes. Yeah. And it's somewhat ironic in some of those movies, but actually not that ironic.

So it's very strange to revisit it. And it's strange to think that this is not that long ago. Yeah. So the R-rated comedy boom, 2003 to 2009. I'm going to – now, the thing is, everyone – when I've seen this written about, people act like they were never R-rated comedies before. There were.

We've had them our whole lives. Caddyshack is super R-rated. So Strikes. Animal House Stripes. All those movies. Yeah, you go through. Porkies. Yeah.

But I think at some point in the maybe mid-shacket, late 90s during the Happy Gilmore, Sandler, Austin Powers era, Hollywood decided the only way for a comedy to really make a lot of money was for it not to be an R. And they would take stuff out and it just was, there was an over-editing thing. Old School 2003 kind of brought it back. Oh, 2003-09, old school, 40-year-old Virgin, Winning Crashers, Super Bad Stepbrothers knocked up forgetting Sarah Marshall, the hangover, which made more money than all of them. And this was the old R-rated boom, Apatow's involved. You're catching a lot of stars at the right points of their career, Will Ferrell, Vince Vaughn, the Wilson's.

Zach Alfanakis has a breakout thing over and over again. And then this current decade, I think we've, I guess Borat would count as an R.A. comedy, too, even though it's not really in the middle of that. We just saw a kind of a modernized version of that, which is Girls Trip. I mean, Girls Trip is basically a huge gross out comedy. It's just told from a perspective that we probably hadn't seen before in that exact way. but it has actually a lot in common with some of those movies. The other version of that is Deadpool, right? Right.

So it's just like, it's kind of funny. It's like there's a little bit of short-term memory loss with R-rated movies. Like they're always popular, but then they just apply it to different sub-genres of movies. So it'll be like, oh, you mean you could make a gross out comic book movie and people would love it? It's like, no shit. You really, is it that's much of a surprise that a superhero cursing would be like popular? But yeah, you know, that it takes a little, it has to go in cycles. this movie 05 is like coming right out of Maxa Magazine

and the first 10 years of the Internet, which were basically the Wild Wild West. I was working at Stuff Magazine when this movie was released, and you can imagine it was a major point of interest at the magazine. I promise you nobody in 2005 was like, whoa, this movie's, there was no line-crossing discussions at all. Well, there's two parts of the line crossing. And it's funny.

Like, I think it's good to do movies like this, right? Because I still really love this movie, but it's smart to acknowledge what's going on here. So on the one hand, there's the stuff that Christus outlined, right, which is just everything is a gay joke, which just seems like really dated and awful and kind of inappropriate. But then on the other hand, the basic premise of the movie is like, these guys just trick women with false names and false identities into having sex with them. Like, that is actually the whole point of the first 40 minutes of the movie. And ultimately even going, like, it's amazing how far Owen Wilson's character takes his story to try to get Rachel McAdams into bed. It's like literally an hour of the movie before it's even close to being revealed what he's actually doing. And I think in a much more sensitive environment, just the whole concept of lying to have sex feels pretty dark.

Yeah. At the same time, that character has a major come up and says the movie goes along and the movie takes great pains to be like, actually, this is what happens to your life. you turn into the Will Ferrell character when you do this. So they've framed it in a really smart way. It's funny that that never resonated with me. The first few times I saw it, you know what I mean? Like when you're watching it and you're in the flow of it 10 years ago or whatever, you're kind of like, yeah, and then it gets back together and they get married and it's awesome.

It's like you never accursed you that they're actually seeing like the hangover and the dark side of that lifestyle. Yeah. Well, not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but the final joke of the movie is like, let's go crash another wedding all four of us together and lie to people. Yeah, it's not like they've really learned that much. They just found someone they love.

So now I'm going to flip things around. That's kind of what I liked about this movie was that it wasn't overly sensitive to all this stuff. And it just kind of existed for it was. And at the end of it, it actually was logical that the girls are like, hey, let's pretend we're a folk band. Right.

And they go and it was, you know, it was this era of when you make a stupid comedy, it doesn't have to mean everything to everybody. it doesn't have to check all these boxes. And it's just like, hey, here's a movie where Owen Wilson and Vince Vaughn are just going to be funny for two hours. Yeah, that's a crucial.

And Chris Verac is going to be in it. And Will Ferro is going to make a cameo. And we're going to see some nude girls. And it's going to be funny. And it's going to be crazy. And then it's going to end. And your life's going to be fine. I think I don't know a lot about the rules of improv or anything.

But I think it's crucial to note that there was definitely a sense when you would watch, especially a lot of those R-rated movies. that they were riffing. And they have that feel of like, you know, and all the deleted scenes and outtakes from Anchorman are kind of legendary and old school too. And, you know, when you're watching this movie, I know that they apparently, like,

what they did was Vaughn and Wilson pretty much rewrote all their scenes in rehearsal. And then when they were on the set, would throw in some stuff. But for the most part, they had their hands on it. But you really get the feeling, even the way it's shot where it's like these kind of longer takes of like two or three people in a shot,

they're just kind of going. And you even, I felt that in 2005, even where I was like, oh, man, you can tell this wasn't written as it is. Well, I read about the director's name was David Dobkin, who is not shy about talking about this movie. He's in oral histories and all kinds of things. And he had the cast rehearsed for a week. He storyboarded all the scenes, which nobody does for a comedy.

Like, he really, it's funny that he storyboarded this and then probably half the scenes where these guys going off the, rails. This is going to sound really dumb, but it's actually like a pretty good looking comedy.

Like if you look at the way that it's filmed, it's really well made. And he was like a music video director. You can see he's actually got chops, even though the movie is

a lot of it is just two guys talking at each other. He's got all these weird like pans and dolly shots and all this stuff that you never see in movies like this. And most comedies don't have,

it's not quite a set piece in the sense of like it's an action thing, but it doesn't have like a signature visual thing like the shout montage. Right. Well, he,

I had this for half as internet. research, I'm going to burn it now. He directed two Tupac videos. I get around and keep your head up. Classics. Two classics. Two of his first jobs. Yeah, I get around videos. Yeah. So that was cool. So the big thing for me, first of all, this movie did really well. We should mention 40 million budget. It made 33 million opening weekend. It made 285 million. Sean 76% on Rotten Tomatoes. Great. For me in the movie theater, I was so happy Vince Vaughn was back. between this and old school.

I think Swingers Vince Vaughn was really one of the iconic 90s characters that we've had for comedy. I loved 90s Vince Vaughn. He went off the rails immediately after, just made all these weird movies. He made a bit to be a serious actor. Yeah, and he was in the Psycho remake, and he made movies that people probably didn't even know he made. He made Made with John Fabro, their kind of Swingers comeback, that just wasn't very good.

He was in domestic disturbance with John Travolta. Yeah, Clay Pigeons. He was in the set. The cell, yeah. He's in all these weird movies. He's in the Lost World, the Jurassic Park sequel. Right. He did not want to be doubled down Trent.

And meanwhile, all of us just wanted him to be double down Trent again. So in old school, he's doubled down Trent. And then Winning Crashers, it's basically Trent. They could have called the character Trent. Yeah. And it was just nice to have him back. And he's great in this movie. I actually think this is his best other than swingers.

I would rank this one-a-one-way friend. Yeah, I love him in old school, but yes. That's his trifecta. I think that that's like a pretty good Mount Rushmore. I'm not sure what the fourth movie on that movie. Have you met him? Have you... Domestic disturbance for it.

Have you ever talked to him? Just through the corolla circles. Okay. But not actually on a podcast or anything. A much more mellow version of... He's known to be very subdued, actually. Yeah. Not like he doesn't...

I don't think he performs in this way, the way that he is in the movie. But I agree he's really, really funny in this movie. And Owen Wilson is a really good sparring partner for him because they both keep the energy high. Like in most of his movies, like Favreau is the beta or Will Ferrell is way over the top and Luke Wilson is blank and he has to be the middleman. And this movie, it's just like two chattering heads going back and forth to each other and they're really, really funny together. Just stuffing cake in their mouth the entire time.

Great chemistry. Oh, amazing chemistry. Like kind of Hall of Fame duo. Yeah, really, really good. And it's strange to me they didn't make more movies. They reunited for the internship. Not very good. Not very good, but it's kind of grown on me as it's had a semi-cableron.

It's not awful. It's a little disappointing. I think Vince was in a tough spot. Swingers hit its mark in such a distinct way. It meant so much when it came out. I think that movie in dazed and confused were these movies that it just doesn't really happen that way anymore with comedy. This was way, way, this is even before the internet. And you discover a movie and you discover, I found out about Swingers from my friend Jen.

I didn't even know what happened. It's like, hey, she was living in San Francisco. I was like, hey, this movie about LA, it's pretty cool. You should check it out. I'm like, really? Where is it? And I think a lot of people found out about that way. And everybody was attached to Vince.

And it was like, Vince is going, that guy's going somewhere. That guy's going to be the next guy. And we kind of all latched on to him. And he probably spent the next three years in LA just having people say double down Vince, double down on all the Vince lines from our double down Trent and kind of rebelled it went the other way. And then gradually we got him back. And he's great in this.

You know, part of that story is that he had been this kind of out-of-work actor trying to find a good part for years, and he couldn't get a good, but he knew he was good. And so he finally lands apart. And then once he lands that part that is instantly iconic to people who saw that movie, which was not a lot of people at the time, actually, he wants to show everybody that that's not who he is. But the truth is, this is like, this is the best version of him. I mean, at this time, he goes old school, Starsky and Hutch, Dodgeball, Anchorman, And Mr. and Mrs. Smith,

wedding crashers, the breakup Fred Clause, Four Christmases. Yeah. All comedies, all in that sweet spot for him. Four Christmases is actually underrated. I think it's funny.

Yeah. The reason I asked you about if you had met him was that there's a, so you remember that show, dinner for five? I think it used to be on IFC. I saw all of them. Yeah.

And he was good on it. Well, and then there's another one where it's like, it's Olafant, David Milch, Jay Moore, I think Rappaport. Yeah.

and John Fabro. And Olofant, Timothy Olofant, tells this story about Vince Vaughn, meeting Vince Vaughn at the Go premiere party. Oh, yeah, I like Go. Go was good. And Olofant, you know, remember Olofants and Goh, and he's got, like, the tattoo on his neck. And he's with Katie Holmes in that movie.

And he said that Vince Vaughn came up to him at that party. And he was, like, in full, like, Vince Vaughn's a fucking star mode. And he comes up to him and he's just like, I saw what you were doing up there and you were vulnerable and you were real. And I loved it. It's your night. It's your night. so what are you drinking?

And he was like, scotch on the rocks. And Vince Vaughn's like, Scotch on the rocks for this guy. And then he's like, and then I never saw Vince Vaughn again. He never brought up the drink. And I just kind of like this idea that he's our generation's Bill Murray.

Like this sort of folk hero who there's like stories about hanging out with Vince Vaughn like some night in Chicago about or like Timothy Olfant's got a Vince Vaughn story. But it does sound like he's a little bit more of a mellow guy in real life. But he has that mystique to him, I think.

This generation's Bill Murray. That's an interesting one. I don't know how we're going to remember him, but I think we're going to remember him finally. He was in enough good movies that kind of mattered for their era. And the swinger from 96 to 07 was a bankable A-list comedy actor. He did something that I thought was actually kind of new, which is that he brought a lot of the psycho babble

that people were talking about in the 70s and 80s and it was, you know, Woody Allen and all these neurotic actors. And he kind of like jet streamed it into a six foot five jock. He broed it. Yeah. Yeah.

And, you know, he talks kind of like an arrogant Woody Allen. It's a lot of just like, where should I do? Where should I go? There's that scene in this movie where he's talking to the priest and he's kind of laying it all out there.

And he's kind of like confessing, but he's upset and he's using him as his therapist. And that's a weird thing for an incredibly good-looking, funny guy to be doing. And it seemed very novel at the time. and it seemed like he was able to make fast friends with people, but also you could tell he was full of shit.

It's kind of like a new archetype for an actor. I don't know. Not a lot of people could do that. It's basically, you know, there's a saying of basically, like, you know, like there's a saying where it's like, you know, there's one saying where it's like everybody who heard the Velvet Underground started their own band. And then there's this idea that every Velvet Underground songs basically starts a subgenre.

But there's like that scene in Ghostbusters where Bill Murray is like, you know, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, you throw us in jail, we'll go happily, but Lenny, if I'm right, that whole like Bill Murray, full of shit guy in Vince Vaughn. Like that's Vince Vaughn doing that. Like, I'm kind of like, like you're saying smart, but I'm also full of shit, but I can work a room. And it's like, but I do have like a lovable loser quality to me.

It's like, it's really interesting to think about his comic lineage. See, I would have said he was more like our generation's Chevy Chase. Oh, interesting. Because they reminded me of each other in that they really could only play themselves. It was always when the part worked the best. Yeah, when you get Fletch, you kill it. I felt like he was like the non-cocaine, late 90s, 2000s version of Chevy

where it's like, when he's on, it's like, oh, I love, like he easily could have been in Fletch. Yeah. And movies like that and just would have been foul play and it would have, he could have been Tye Webb. That would have been the pick. One thing that's interesting about this movie to me is that, you know, we just,

you started talking about all these comedies that were all happening in this six or seven year span. And we think of them as they, They're together. We think of old school and wedding crashers and the 40-year-old Virgin and knocked up and the hangover is part of this continuum. But like to your point earlier about sometimes you just want to have a dumb comedy that you really like where there's some naked girls and there's like a ridiculous subplot in the middle and there's bad characters, maybe a bad actor. Like the 40-year-old Virgin and knocked up, those are very weirdly personal, specific movies that are about real things that happen to people. And sometimes they're surrounded by dick jokes or gay panic jokes or whatever.

but Judd Apatow and everything that he was doing is very, very, very different from these movies. Like these are commercial properties that don't really have like any subtext. They're not really about anything. They're just like, let's have a good time. Let's have a good time. Let's make people laugh for them.

And that's okay. That's a good thing. But I think it's worth talking. And we could talk about Owen in this place too because Owen Wilson was like, there's like a moment in like the early 2000s where like you're kind of like, is this guy the next Robert Redford?

Totally. You know, I mean, he's in a couple of movies and you're just like, holy crap, like this guy might have all the tools. You need to be like a giant movie star who makes good stuff. And I think the tension with both Vaughn and Wilson is this awareness that, like, you know,

they can hit certain heights and they could be making quality stuff every time. But they're making Jurassic World, you know, the Jurassic Park sequel, or they're in behind enemy lines, which is also pretty rewatchable movie. But they'll do crap. Well, Wilson had the substance stuff too.

Yeah, I'm just saying, but like, I think that, like, when they get to wedding crashers, this is the perfect marriage of like, it's not bottle rocket or, you know, or swingers, but it's not, it's not the breakup. It's not, it's not like, kind of like a phone-in job. His career is really interesting. Wilson's is mind-boggling. Like he, the Redford thing is funny. It's funny that you say that because he clearly took two tracks. He was like, on the one hand, Wes Anderson's co-writer and Buddy and I make all these really cool, you know, small art house films. And on the other hand, I want to go to copy.

with Cheryl Crow, so I'm going to do I spy, or I'm going to do four days on Meet the Parents. I'm going to do Shanghai noon. But I don't know if there was, I don't know if he had a plan. Maybe he didn't. I think Vince Vaughn really thought about it and was like, I'm going to go this way. I think Owen Wilson's like, how much, this, how much, 28 days and I'll make five million bucks? Great. I'm in.

It's definitely possible. What's the next project? Oh, maybe I should do a good one now. He worked a lot from 2000 to 2008. lot of movies. It's also really interesting with him. We always say the word interesting to much of this podcast. It is interesting with him. He basically hit the Wes Anderson lottery. He makes a fucking film with his brother. He makes like a short film, but the director is their buddy, Wes Anderson? Like, what are they adds to that? It's amazing. I'm not as nearly as big of a

Wes Anderson fan as some others, but I would say he's one of the best 10 directorial talents we've developed in the last three decades. And not for nothing, but Owen Wilson has like got three screenwriting credits and there are three of the best movies the last 30 years. I think it's crazy. The case that

Wes Anderson's best movies are the ones you made with Owen. You know, he co-wrote with Owen. Rushmore and Tenenbaum's those first five movies are, he's had some great work

in the last five or six years. But those are the movies, I think, that are really imprinted on people's brains. So his career could have gone in any number of directions. It's weird where he is right now. Well, I think he had issues.

He did. But you look at that, you look at Afik and Damon are best friends and what's happened to them when their friendship was really part of this story initially. And then the other one is Vince Vaughn and John Favro.

And Favro is one of the most bankable directors we have. Like, what is he doing? Like a 10 episode Star Wars thing? He's being a Star Wars TV show. He's had this entire A-list director career. For a while, it seemed like he was just going to be on party of five having dinner with his buddies talking about swingers. Yeah. Actually, you know what?

I have one more point on the retroactively legislating content, especially with comedies. I think it's a really rough place to be. Yeah. You know, I think you could go backwards and make yourself crazy about a lot of things, especially when you're going with comedies or just the verdicts, I think, the best Boston movie ever. There's the same one Paul Newman finds out that he got portrayed by Charlene Rempla's character and, like, betrayed in the worst possible way. And he goes to a bar and he meets her and he punches her in the face.

Now, if you watch that movie now, you'd be like, I can't get past us. And it's a really tough scene to get back. Maybe it doesn't, maybe it's not close fists. It's a hard slap. She goes flying. She's bloody. This is a, that this is a good,

never happen in a movie now. It's a tough thing about Raging Bull now. When I watch, I rewatch Raging Bull recently and I was like, this movie's like, aside from everything else that happens in it, it's a really hard movie to watch for the Kathy Moriarty. So I think,

so I think for me the conversation is you're acknowledging, wow, that wouldn't fly now. I think people should be allowed to watch this stuff. With some perspective, on things were different back then. I think it works differently in drama than in comedy. That's what I was going to say.

I think that there's a difference between are we essentially trying to make a light of something by hurting somebody, or are we trying to tell a dramatic story and in doing so, try to show something that's real and pretty uncomfortable, but is meaningful. And it's impossible to legislate the stuff,

like you said, this would be a horrible podcast if we just went down every joke and we were like, well, that's inappropriate. Well, that's inappropriate. I don't want to do that. I don't think we should do that. I do think it's probably worth noting, though, that like... We definitely shouldn't do that.

The reason that comedy is in a bit of a tricky spot and that it seems to be in this like series of contortions for the last five years is because everyone's trying to say what is and is not appropriate at all times. Like that is this complex moral quagmire that the whole genre of creativity finds itself in. And this extends to stand up. It extends to everything that's happened post-Me-2. It extends all over the place and into movies a little bit too. And it's funny that if you look at the movies that are doing really well this year,

there are the only movies that have been able to kind of like capitalize on this in a very smart way. Like blockers in Game Night to me are two very smart, very well made, very thoughtful movies that still are like sometimes you got to put a plunger up John Cena's ass to make people laugh. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like there's still a way to do that stuff without necessarily like saying, you know, trying to hurt people. Yeah. And the drama is basically I think what you're talking about with the verdict and what I'm talking about with Raging Bull is you watch these movies and they're uncomfortable to watch. Now, I haven't watched The Verdict in a really long time,

but when I was watching Raging Bull, I was like, it's not that I feel like this is not genuine to the story that the movie is telling. It's just that 20 years ago or whenever I first saw Raging Bull, I don't think it registered the way it does now, maybe, for me. Now, that being said, everything in comedy feels somewhat elective.

It feels like it's a bit, and you're choosing to do it. So when you go back and watch Stripes and there's just a 10-minute sequence of John Candy mud wrestling with naked girls, that's something that was like, when I was a kid didn't even register as sort of being like, that's weird that that's in this movie for just like a long time. And that's like a plot point.

But now you would go back and there's no way that would get up. There's no way that would happen, right? Well, the problem is you have to put into context. It's just what life was like at the time, how people acted, what they cared about. And, you know, there was a stage from 78 through 84 when nudity was a big part of comedies. Yeah. And it was like people are here to laugh and see some breasts. That's what you're getting.

And you can't explain Porky's now. Oh, yeah. The iconic scene in Porky's was... In Porky's... Well, in Porky's, they're looking through the shower, watch a girl shower, and one guy puts his dick through the shower hole, and then the teacher comes in and grabs his dick and is tugging it.

And it's a hilarious scene. They'd never make that now. So I don't know. I think what's tough for me is probably the line, the worst one of all of them is the Revenge of the Nerds, him having sex with the mask on. and it turns out it's Robert Carradine and not the girl's boyfriend.

That one was actually indefensible in 1984. It was like, whoa. Yeah, anything that's rapy is not good. There's a pretty big difference to me between, like, there's a lot of naked girls in this movie. Like, that's cool. I'm cool with that right now. If a person consents to being naked in a movie

and they sign on to do it, like, what's what? There's nothing wrong with that. That's perfectly fine. There's a long history of that. There's a big difference if they're like making jokes in light of rape. That's just fun. Animal House has some rough moments, too.

And that's a movie that's 41 years old. It was the 1970s. I think with this one, I will defend it in this respect, even though it is not age well. And I think we, especially because of what we do for a living, we're conditioned to watch things now and go

and think of like, oh, you can't do that. Oh, maybe that shouldn't happen. But I do think they did put some care into having it backfire in Owen Wilson. I agree. And, you know, Vince Fawn ends up with this completely insane secretary's treasury's daughter

and finds weird love with her somehow. There's something really smart in that story, too. which is like she lies to him and says that she was a virgin. And then when he finds out that she was lying and she reveals that this is something she thought guys thought they needed to say, that women needed to say to guys, then there's this recognition that they're like two bullshit artists

and that these two people that are kind of like the recognition of the soul's counterpoint. Exactly. Like they see that they have something, they share something and that they're equal. Like there is actually some, there's a lot of redemptive qualities to it. It's just that the house that they built it on is like a little, the foundation's a little rocky.

I do worry about comedy and where it goes in this particular era because part of comedy is seeing how close you can get to the line without obliterating it and how close can you go how close can you. This is something I used to fight about with my ESPN editors constantly. And now I look back at some of the jokes. I say, wow, I couldn't make that one now. Couldn't make this one. Can I ask you, do you think that there's part of it that, you know,

because I think a lot of the times we tend to think these things in terms of cycles. But, you know, it's like with the line pushing, do you think that it's like, Now that it's more clearly defined where it's not just like editorial taste, but it's actually like this is hurtful to other people. Like I think that that's over now. You know what I mean? Like it's like it's,

is it worth a laugh to be, to really hurt someone's feelings? I guess that's the thing that we think about now. I see stand-up in movies is a little different. Sure. I rewatched, we're on a tangent, but this is interesting to me. I rewatch the two most recent Chappelle Netflix specials

a couple of weeks ago. And I was blown away. by how good I thought they were. The first time I watched it, I was watching it with the radar that you're talking about where I'm like, what's problematic here? What am I going to have to worry about? Yada, yada, yada. And that stuff is all important.

And it is a part of our jobs. And I try to be as thoughtful about that stuff as I can. But the second time I watched these specials, I was like, holy shit, this is the funniest person on earth. Yeah. This is his timing, his ability, his writing, his delivery is unfucking believable. And I love Dave Chappelle so much. I would kill for a Chappelle special once a year, every year, until I die.

And sometimes that does have. a power, you know, sometimes that is meaningful. And the reality is sometimes the funniest jokes do cross the line. Like, I worked on Kimmel Show for, I don't know, 19 months, something like that. You have these room of professionally paid funny people day after day after day. I was much funnier back then than I'm now. Don't ever say that, though. No, it's just something younger.

You've never been funnier. No, I was younger back then. I think you meant to say you've never been funny. But you're there in this room and everybody knows every joke, everybody knows every set up to the joke. and so much of it's formulaic and it's impossible to make each other laugh and you're in these writer's meetings

for two hours and people are crossing lines to make each other laugh and it was just part of the whole thing and I just wonder where this stuff goes if we're gonna have an entire generation of people who are just conditioned

to be like, can't say that, can't do that, can't go there. That's part of what comedy is and, you know, Girls Trip, the funniest scene in it was Jada Pinkett pissing on the thing. Like that's kind of where

the quote unquote iconic comedy scenes are going is like kind of psych gags and fart piss stuff. I don't know. I think John Tino with a punger up his ass. It's always going to be extreme. I mean, like is it any different than Kevin Nealyn ripping his arms off as the Russian weightlifter in Saturday Night Live?

Like there's an extremity that's just funny. It's just about which direction. Yeah. I described that. Me and Sean, you were talking about that today. I almost started crying. I was laughing so hard.

Yeah. And we were talking about that I think that's Brooks Kepka. That guy reminds me of Kevin Neela And I was just saying that like that's still funny Because that's extreme It's taking things so far beyond The logical end point of a joke or an idea And sometimes that does go into button pushing

Or hurtful territory, no doubt But then there's I don't think comedy is ever going to lose that What if you took this scenario but kept pushing it? Yeah I Like Sasha Byron Cohen is probably the closest thing we have now if somebody doesn't give a fuck. He's going to cross some lines and we'll take the heat for it.

Unfortunate bits of commentary, I think, around that show that's been on right now, the Sasha Baron Cohen show is, like, what is the point of this? What is he actually accomplishing? And I'm like, is his job to accomplish something by sitting down with a congressperson? But don't you think that that goes back to what you're saying about Chappelle? Like you watch Chappelle, the same way you're probably watching Sasha now, we're watching it with a different set of criteria. Is this guy, like, morally upright?

or is this like doing anything or pushing it like are we changing the conversation with this? And then maybe a year or so somebody will go back and watch that show and just be like, holy shit. This guy was really like, this was like really out there stuff. And it's the same thing with Chappelle. Like you watch it the first time being like, is Chappelle going to get in trouble for this? And then you go back the next time and you're like, oh. You can just enjoy the comedy for this.

Yeah. And I, you know, I don't think either one is more valid than the other, either approach. But I definitely know that that's, I think that's going to happen more and more. You're probably right. I agree. I mean, I think comedy can and should in some situations change the way that you think about the world and the way that you see things, and the way that you understand people. But it doesn't have to. Like, it just doesn't have to.

Like, there's no, or if it does, it can be in a different way. It can be like when Steve Martin introduces a certain kind of irony into comedy or like David Letterman changes the kind of tonality of comedy. Like those things are just as meaningful and entertaining and interesting. In the same way that wedding crashers, even though it is dated, I watched it last night and I laughed the whole time. I was like this movie makes me very happy. even though we can acknowledge the things that don't work. Ultimately, if something's funny, it's funny. And if it makes you laugh, makes you laugh, like,

I still, Zach Gellifinacus jerking off the baby in the hangover. It makes me laugh every time. I'm not going to apologize. It's just flat out funny. I showed it to my son as soon as he was like five. I was like, Ben, didn't even know what it was. And it was just the look at his face. Jesus Christ.

My son doesn't know what it is. He's five. He doesn't know what that means. Why are you showing it to him? Well, because we were watching it. We're watching The Hangover. It's funny. Like they edit that part out on Comedy Central.

I don't think they should. It's fucking funny. Oh, damn them. Those censors. Yeah, come on. I think we're all too oversensitive. Anyway, this movie,

the central plot of it did not age that well. No. We're pretending to be people or not to have sex with you and then go on to the next group of people. This would have launched a torrent of hate pieces. There's also one other thing that we haven't identified, which is like all of the sort of racial and cultural like code switching and identity grabbing for Jewish people

and Japanese Americans, Indians and Americans. Like, there's so much, it's obviously in good fun, but it's like pretty inappropriate now to like put on a yamauga and be like, my name's Lou Epstein. Yeah, you can't lie, as they say in the old country.

Well, even the funeral scene at the end when he's like, wow, that woman lost her husband, she's upset. What am I doing with my life? It's like, yeah, you're at a funeral. What are you doing? Oh, God. Anyway, one last thing we should mention

before we get to the categories. Rachel McAdams, first three big roles were mean girls, the notebook, and wedding crashers. That's fucking fire. And I looked at her next 10 years of movies, and those remained her three best movies for another 10 years until Spotlight. They knew, Rachel! Rachel knew. She needed an IMD beepup. She knew. So, yeah. And we'll get to her as we go along in this. But she's spectacular in this.

and when I saw this in the theater, realizing she was Regina, but different color hair, I hadn't seen the notebook. And the takeaway leaving this movie is that's a gigantic star and she's going to be in my life now for the next 25 years.

Before we started doing this, you said that this is one of the great career what-f podcasts, but almost every person in the movie is worthy of like a 20-minute conversation. Yeah, I'm actually like, when are we going to get to Bradley Cooper? It's going to be like a two-hour podcast.

Rachelick Adams is having a really good career, but like still somehow, how did she not become, Julia 2.0? It's kind of weird. Bad choices. Bad choices with the movie she made. And by the time we got the true detective, I don't know what kind

of career she was trying to have. Well, I have to do a whole thing. You like her in True Detective, though. She was, I mean, it depends on whether or not you're on the True Detective season two trip or not. I never got on the train to get on that trip. What kind of career? That is a wedding crash of reunion, as you know. Yeah. What kind of

career did we want her to have? I think she was supposed to be Julia Roberts. I think she's supposed to do Oscar movies but like with comedy with comedy yeah

she's really funny in Mean Girls she's pretty funny in this movie this is a little bit of an underwritten part but if they still made movies like Aaron Brockovich

she would she would be a person who you would say like put her in that she's a star I still remember Tina Faye had some line about her where like she was like

when when Rachel McAdams was on Mean Girls like she was just like she would do stuff with her eyes that like would just basically

like everybody on set was like, holy crap, that's a movie star. Because she would act with her face in a way that only big, big stars get on an innate level that you're supposed to. Like, Tom Cruise gets that. I have to act with my whole body here because I'm projecting to this huge crowd. To Rachel McAdams Nuggets, she got her certification in sailing to prepare for her role. She can now handle a 26-foot boat. That's Cruise-like dedication going back to your point.

Cruise would have done that. Do you think actors just do that shit because, like, what else is? they're going to do? Like they're like, oh, does my character sail in this scene? Should I, like, take a six-week sailing course? The sailing's a big part of the movie, though. Sure, but like, she's Rachel McAdams. I think she could have, like, convincingly like, Tom Cruise, have to learn to flip all those bottles and cocktail? Did it make it better? Yes. Bill, Tom Cruise learned how to fly a helicopter in less than three months, like at a high level for Mission Impossible Fallout. Cruise is still number one when it comes to irrational commitment. Nobody's ever

throwing themselves into roles like he did. And I think he was able to drive like a 200-b-hour race car in Days of Thunder. The other thing with Rachel McAdams that I learned in my research, she listened repeatedly to Fleetwood Max Lanside to prepare for emotional scenes. Owen Wilson said the song made a cry immediately. It was like turning on a faucet. Yeah. That's what Chris does every morning before starting on the content.

I'm going to try that now. Let's make myself cry with landslide. Just weep to landslide and then you get firing. We didn't even talk about Bradley Cooper, but we'll get to him. Let's take a break. We'll be right back. Hey, let's talk about Hotel Tonight. If you love to score amazing deals

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I really enjoyed it. I wish I could have shaking it out of my head the whole, oh, they'd never make this movie now and that I wish we weren't conditioned to think that way. Most rewatchable scene. The first wedding crash montage, which crosses a couple lines, took a week to shoot. It's really great. It's one of those scenes where I'm actually not surprised that took a week to shoot. Because watching you're like, wow, they really went all in on this montage.

And these guys singing shout at 17 different weddings, spectacular. I agree. It's really well done. It's fun to watch. First 20 minutes of this movie make me feel like Kendall Roy in the Wolfart Room in New Mexico, man. Like, I just, like, it's absolutely ecstatic. Yeah, it's great. The touch football scene is just unbelievable.

Hot Row. I wanted more of it. it could have gone up for another three, four minutes. I want to say a couple more button hooks from Rachel McAdams. Can I just say really quickly about Hot Route? Is that that's a joke that I'll take with me to migrate. Because it's a joke that if you played Madden and like you played Madden with friends and you were just like, you're going to Hot Route.

Hot Route. I see you like shading the left here. It's like it's one of those things that like I won't be able to explain to someone in 10 years when they're like what the fuck is Hot Route mean or something. But I'm going to, I'm going to. I'm going to treasure it for a really long time. Hot rock. Red 7, Red 7, Red 7. Look for me in the end zone after this play.

I'll be the guy holding the ball. John. What? Red 7. I don't know what Red 7 means. Hot rap. I've also been in that position before where we're on somebody's lawn and playing a game and I'm trying to take the game really seriously and I'm calling out plays and shit and some guys trying to flirt with a girl.

And I'm like, dude, focus on the game. He's like, what are you talking about? I also like their house in that scene too. you can't, for me, lover of all real estate, you can't get better for me than like a Kennedy compound type of touch football.

It's Delaware, right? Yeah, wherever that was. It was magnificent. When Cooper's like, you gotta pick up that rush, man. He's really great. The rugby shirt is fantastic on it. What's an awesome rugby shirt.

Are we gonna do, just let me know when we do Cooper. Let's just. It's coming. Okay. The dinner table hand job scene is just flat out fucking funny. And Vince Fond's great in it.

It's one of the better Vince Vaughn three minutes. It's a lot more explicit than I recall. There are a lot of crotch shots. Did you watch the unrated version? I didn't this time, but I've seen it. Is the unrated version worse? It's just, I think it goes on a little longer maybe, or maybe it's a little bit more graphic.

There's a lot of like close up shots of the hand and the fingers action, which is just not something that I think I've ever seen in a movie where I was like, they are explicitly identifying how this would work if she was going to do this. How many times have you potted with him where you've had to talk about sex? actual acts. The Forrest Gump thing is really scarring. That's one of the more upsetting moments of my life. Most of the conversations about sex he's had in his life has been with these microphones.

The, I saw when I went to rent this movie, there was the, what was it called, like the corked edition? Yeah, it's un-ricked. It's unrated, yeah. So I went and Googled what I got from it. And it was basically like just longer versions of the same scenes.

I was like, this movie was already too long. This movie probably should have clocked in at 140. It was a crisp 159. Yeah, the long version's like 130. This is an all-time scroll over the running time, and you're like, that has to be a mistake. Yeah. My computer must be broken.

There's an hour, 20 left, what? There's 51 minutes left. And then the last rewatchable scene for me, you got the wedding crash montage, touch football scene, dinner, table, hand job, Will Ferrell's camera. Yeah. Is there anything else I'm missing?

I have a long-running bit of just saying you motorboat and son of a bitch to my little brother. just that weird little encounter where right after the scene with Jane Seymour is like those two guys at their best and it cracks me up so much I would probably watch that on YouTube every day I don't know if you count this as

as part of the opening montage but the Dwight Yolk and Rebecca de Morne mediation scene really good is also one of those like you throw your fastest pitch first and it comes out and it's like oh this isn't like other movies And when Vaughn kicks in and he's just like, just a couple of kids who likes of fuck, try to make it honest.

It's just like, oh my God, we're really going to have something on our hands here. We should play that whole speech where he's like, you just want to meet a Latin guy. And maybe he's a little threatening. Guys, the real enemy here is the institution of marriage. It's not realistic. It's crazy. Don't do this for the other person. It's about saying yes to yourself and saying yes to your future.

Say yes. And have some opportunities for yourself. I'm sure you'd love to be. free, maybe go out meet some Latin guy that can dance, grind up on you, make it feel dangerous but also safe. And how about you? Don't you want to get inside Chastity without having to wonder if anyone's going to find out? God, wouldn't that be sweet?

Wouldn't that be nice? You in the dance floor? It's pretty good. That bit is amazing. Ah, what's your favorite? Um, I think that opening montage is the best. Yeah, the shot montage. I think that's the signature moment of the movie.

It's also interesting, Sean mentioned this before about how this movie looks good. that Dobkin was like, I need to shoot this for two weeks. And it sounds like from the oral history that people were like, all right, man. Like sounds good. You're going to listen to a shout again? Yeah. And he had it in his head that he wanted to start the movie on that note. And it's a great, it's a great note.

The other thing with this, this is, I think, just the age I'm in, although it's probably timeless. But I had just gone to 10 years of weddings. And I don't really haven't had gone to a lot of weddings. I don't know what's changed. But weddings were definitely in a rut with every wedding hit the same beat. and shout always came on. And it really did kind of fit into what weddings were like back then.

So I kind of wonder whether or not, it's a shame we don't have Juliet here for this, but I wonder whether there's been a generational shift at weddings because I feel like you're like a little bit older than me and Sean, but when you were getting married and when you were going to weddings, I feel like there was still more institutional control over the entertainment at weddings. Whereas like when Sean got married, it was like an incredible like Sean playlist was what was played.

There was like some Motown stuff in the beach. Your generation was more self-aware. I think once YouTube showed up and then social media, people kind of realized everybody was having the same wedding. But in the 1990s, you didn't realize that the exact same weddings were happening. Did you make your own playlist for your wedding? No, we had a band. But I mean, how many times did you play out?

I had Pearl Jam. Got dark a couple of times. Don't call me daughter. People, my grandparents are rude. How many times have you had a conversation, though, with a recently married couple who are describing their wedding and they say, yeah, you know, the wedding was going okay,

we had a DJ, and then like an hour and a half in, the guy just took over and just stopped playing the songs on our list and was just like, I know how to make people dance. I got this. I feel like I heard that story 500 times.

So that's a relatively new thing. And because people are aware of that, like you're saying, now they're just like, fuck it. Like I just literally just rented the speakers, plugged it into a computer, paid one of my brother's friends

to stand in front of a computer for three hours. And we just played all the songs that Eileen and I wanted to know. Yeah, if anything, like, the thing I hear from

weddings is like and then at 12 we bumrushed the DJ booth and just started playing playing I had been to so many weddings that were the same type of wedding that I actually had like comedy material that I had like in my pocket for different moments like I will survive there was always like the three girls who didn't have a date who were just really getting into it how would you rate yourself as a wedding guest phenomenal yeah great always available to have a cigarette with anybody didn't judge if it was if it was an open bar never judged at any point at any point. Always there till the end. I like that in the movie when there's a, at the beginning he asks how many of them are cash bars,

you know? If you have a cash bar at your wedding, I disagree with Bill, you should be crucified. That's just a sin. But you have to put, if they don't have any money. Okay, sure. Yes, understandable. But if you're like a common citizen, just like any of us and you have a cash bar, like you're in the whole of shame.

Yeah, that's bad. If you can afford the real bar and choose not to do it, that's bad. One thing that was funny watching this movie was that I realized I'd never been to a I've never been to a wedding stag. I went to Sean's wedding by myself, but it was with the woman who would become my wife. And I just drank a lot of tequila and red bull and dance with Sean's father.

And like, but for the most part, like I've always had, I've always been with my wife at wedding. So it was interesting. I was like thinking about like, what would it be like to go stagged to a wedding? That being said, I consider myself a solid,

a really like an Allen Trammel, like a good bat at the top of the, lineup kind of not quite all fame but close but great wedding participant like memorable but not for the wrong reasons and a enthusiastic dancer

an enthusiastic eater and just like a really big compliment so the dancing is the whole in my resume you're not a dancer was there a lot of dancing at your wedding I think there was yeah I love the strategy of the characters in the movie to pick out old ladies and little children

to dance with to seem vulnerable the magic tricks that's just really smart that's just good stuff Actually, you made this point my best friend's wedding, which we taped for last week, and you had made the point about weddings, how crucial they are in movies and TV shows,

and it gets everyone together. I just enjoy wedding scenes. That's why I like that wedding montage for me at the beginning. I remember seeing this in the theater and going like, it finally ended up. It was like, wow, do kudos. I almost wanted to stand up and applaud the theater. Tremendous job, everybody.

Great job. I loved it. All right. What's age the best? The painting really makes me laugh. There's a really great cold play song that I think you could make a case. Sparks. Sparks might be their best song 15 years later and how it's aged.

It's just a perfect part of the movie. I have such a vivid memory of hearing sparks for the first time. I think I was in college. And I was like, oh, wow, this is a great band. This is going to be a great band. I really love much more than yellow. It's going to be the biggest band in the world. And I never could have predicted the direction they went.

I thought they were going to be a completely different kind of band. The first two albums, but like they had this song in this movie. and then don't panic in Garden State. That's right. And it was just kind of these songs that became part of those movies. I thought that age nice. It is a really good Coldplay song.

Isle Fisher's probably never been better in a movie. Yeah, she did kind of a karaoke version of this role and tag recently this year. And it was kind of, it was wild to see her still, you know, like throwing heat. She's like a really feisty, plays the wards. wife of, I think, I can't

remember if it's, I think it's Ed Helms. But, man, she's, she's pretty funny in this movie. She's fantastic in this movie, and you actually would have bought stock. Yeah, people thought she was going to be a huge movie star. I think she got married, and she married to a comedian. She married Genius. Sasha Baron Cohen, yeah.

And they have a kid, and I think she got sidetracked. I mean, she's had a good career. She's been a lot of movies. I would have, worst case in the era, thought she would have had a sitcom that was on for, like, seven years or something. Yeah, that's interesting. Also notable, her name is Isla Fisher, not Isla Fisher. I know.

I said Isla for some reason. I know it's Ila. And then Bradley Cooper has a preppy dick. Stack Lodge. There's this whole backstory. Here's the time to have the Bradley Cooper conversation right now. There's this whole backstory we have now with Bradley Cooper that it's kind of cool to see him in this role where it's like, oh, yeah, he was the dick. I told him.

Oh, my God. I forgot. He's a great dick. And then there's also a dick in The Hangover and almost just gets typecast as a dick. And before this movie was worried about being typecast as a good guy. Because he said that he was going out for parts after doing alias and everybody was like, oh, you can't do this because you're such a nice guy. And then he did wedding crashers and he started to get different kinds of roles.

Hall of Fame Dick, maybe the best dick we've had. Sack Lodge is up there. The reason that Sack Lodge is up there is because it's like relentless. There is not a redeeming quality about this dude. He is pretty much evil. Yeah. And you don't find that in these movies as much. Like the-

hits how the check marks talking about other women in front of our character. Sack and Trappster. The close. The first conversation with Trappster when he talks about the private eye, I'm like, this is the worst person in America. Like, this guy is fucking awful. What's the private eyes name? It's like the...

I care. If you made this movie now, he definitely would have a whole... There would be a Trump conversation that he would have at some point about... Yeah, but this is also like... 05. These guys are classic, like, W guys, right? Well, but I'm... saying like if they made an 18, he'd be talking about next week he's seeing Don Jr. They're doing their annual golf weekend.

There would be some sort of throwaway line that would have worked that one in there. But he's great. It's kind of hard to believe we didn't know he was going to be a star looking back because in between this movie and then even the hangover, people are like, whoa, who's this guy in the hangover? He might be a star, but it's kind of hard to believe now looking back. He's a really interesting. No, you go ahead first.

I was just going to say, I want you to hear Jimmy with when you talk about. Bradley, but I was a very big fan at the time of Aalius. I was my wife and I watched that show religiously. We were really into it. I didn't even know he was on it. I never, ever, ever would have guessed from that show that he would have been a famous person ever. I mean, it was the most bland, one-note,

best friend role in the history of TV. And that was a cool show that did a lot of interesting stuff. And his character was boring. So you think he was just Ray Bloomer? I looked at his birthday and he was only 30 when he made this movie. And he graduated from Georgetown in 97. So I think it was just one of those things that took him a few years. And then all of a sudden, all of a sudden he figured it out.

It's really interesting to contrast him with Vaughn and Wilson and see the kind of, not just the choices that he's made, but the control he's taken over his career. Because I think you wonder whether or not if Wilson was like a little bit more hands-on what his career looks like. American sniper with Owen Wilson. Well, so Bradley Cooper does the hangover and then pretty clearly has, I mean, whether it's because he'd already signed up to do these movies or he thought they were going to be good, but he does a couple of bad ones,

all about Steve, Valentine's Day, A team. And then Limitless was like this weird hit, right? It did well. And I think he was pretty involved in Limitless. That might have been like a movie he produced. And then after Hangover 2, he starts becoming way more either inventive with his choices by doing like Place Beyond the Pines or picking stuff that's going to put him in an Oscar talk like Silver Linings.

And that's stuff that Vaughn and Wilson kind of like, they're like, I'm fucking famous now. Like, I'm just going to like kind of coast through. And that there could be a whole other reason for that. But you can just see that Cooper and you can see this in his inside the actor studio videos, whether he's raising his hand to talk to people or whether he's when he's actually doing it, the glint in his eye is like there's just the eyes are on the prize. Like he's like, I'm going to be a famous movie star who's also a director.

He wants to be Warren Beatty. He wants to be Robert Redford. He wants to be one of those guys who has complete control over his career for the next three decades. He wants to be Eastwood. Well, Limitless was a hit, and that's when I believed in Bradley Cooper, because that's like one of those Tom Cruise cocktail type of movies where that movie only works if you like the lead guy. Yeah, the premise is pretty stupid. You can't make that movie with Jason Mamo and it's not going to make $100 million. Jason, if you're listening, I was a fan of Braven.

But you know what I mean? He's had a really interesting decade because he has been able to withstand a lot of bombs. Yeah. I mean, in a row, he made Aloha, Burnt, and Joy. And those are all real duds. And that's not even counting Serena. And Serena, which is an all-time bomb, which people don't really know very much about.

Jennifer Lawrence and Bradley Cooper were never really even released in theaters. Can I stop you for one second? I kind of like Burt. I fucking love Burt. My wife, my wife. You think Dave Chang is listening to this? No, we've talked about it.

He's very upset about it. But I'll just tell you this. When it's, there's certain go-to movies from my wife, like under the Tuscan Sun and what's the Diane Cheaty movie? Unfaithful. unfaithful, uh,

Burt, no reservations with Zeta Jones. There's a couple that are just on and she's in. So Burt's been on a lot in my house. There's a lot of scenes in kitchens in all those movies. Is that a factor? Yeah, but I think my wife likes kitchen movies. Okay.

But he's really good and Burt. It's the problem with Bern is it's not a good movie. We sure he's good and Burt? Yeah, he's good and he's definitely committed to the big. Bradley Cooper has... Where was the last time he saw it? I watched it once and I was like, this sucks. And then I never watched it again.

He's good in it. It's just the movie doesn't work, But it's actually you watch it And it's one of those Why didn't this work as you're watching it? Because there are pieces in there And there's good actors in it It's like so many like like

My dude Daniel Brule's in it It's my guy Daniel Brule's in it. My guy. My dude. He's the matrily. I love that fucking guy. Bradley Cooper has saved his own career

with voice acting like three times. This was the point I was going to make. He makes all these bombs But he does that smart thing that you're talking about Which is he aligns himself with David O. Russell and Todd Phillips

and he makes big movies, some of which are Oscar movies, some of which are hits. And then he gets a Marvel part. He's in Guardians of the Galaxy. So people hear his voice, his Rocket Raccoon thing all the time. And he gets to be a part of that without having to do any of the bullshit green screen work that all those guys have to do. He doesn't have to do anything that Chris Pratt has to do, but he still gets to be a part of this huge movie universe.

Also underrated, he's the voice of Mary Elizabeth Winston's boyfriend in 10 Cloverfield Lane, which is an awesome movie. But in the beginning of it, he's on the phone calling her. That's so weird that he did that. Yeah. JJ. We should mention his career has his version of the torn ACL, which was Hangover was such a huge success. They had to be committed to two more sequels.

Yeah. So there was this stretch when he probably would have made a couple fun choices that he just had to make Hangover 2, which was terrible. And then Hangover 3, which was excruciating, and almost has gotten to the point where nobody even pretends it happens. I told you guys this story, I'm just going to tell it for the listeners, when I was researching this, I read about The Star is Born, which our staff is just singularly obsessed with, like no movie that's come out. And there was this part in there about how when he was doing sniper, as he called it, he knew he wanted to direct and he talked to Clinton about it. And Clint said how he'd done play Misty for me when he was 41. And he wasn't 41 yet.

But then the last two years, as he passed 40, he realized that much like Clint, it was time for him. to make the leap. Yeah. And I don't know. The fucking heat check of just immediately entering yourself in the Quinn Eastwood conversation. I loved it.

I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in. Brad the Cooper's directing career. To quote Tom from Succession, buckle up,

buckle head. Because that is just the beginning of the promo tour for this movie. And this dude is definitely going to be on our screens wearing a denim jacket talking about like the power of music for like the next four months. And I could not be more invested in this journey.

And I was studied any better. And I was studied any better. And some poor reporter is going to call Clint and be like, hey, I'm doing a story in Bradley Cooper. He talks about it. He's like, who? What? They're making a movie together now.

Like, 81-year-old Clint Eastwood is out there making a Bradley Cooper movie. The Mule. Yeah. It's time for Clint to stop directing. What stage is the best? Any other things that we left out? I was going to say Bradley Cooper is my answer. I mean, I would say the Wilson Vaughn banter.

Like, they're just like, their repartee is like, that's good. That's it. I think it's a pretty good. soundtrack for a broad Hollywood comedy. You've got the in the summertime bit when they're on the bicycles. It closes with Stay With Me, Rod Stewart and the faces. There's a couple big, in the shout montage, obviously. There's a couple of, like, you need big set pieces in these 90s and 2000s comedies.

The Coldplay song that are set to these big songs. And this one does a pretty good job of that. So I like that. I left out one thing that really aged nicely is the wealthy DC area. I was into that. I read that this was supposed to be Boston. Yeah, it was supposed to be Boston, Cape Cod. Yeah, it was basically supposed to be the Kennedy compound, the marriage in Boston, and then.

But summertime, D.C. made it look like a great place. You couldn't tell that it was 130 degrees, probably, when they filmed this. What's age the worst? I feel like we kind of did this. Yeah, we did the first 30 minutes of this. Yeah. There's another part that, I guess, took heat at the time. I don't remember this story.

We didn't have Twitter yet to mobilize. The film, even in the moment, was criticized. for depicting the forcible rape of Vince Vaughn's character in a humorless light and then the homophobia they took heat for even then.

Let's move to casting what-ifs because this ties into... I think you could say just generally that the whole character of Todd is just not. They made an error there. Like, that doesn't work in 2018.

So the casting, what-if, Todd, the guy who won the role, Kiro Donald? Yeah. The other person, Vince Vaughn, really wanted Justin Long. And Justin Long's

interpretation of the The Todd character was a Buffalo Bill from Silence and Lambs. And he thought he was going to get the job and didn't get it. And that is a phenomenal what if. Wow, can we go back and reshoot this movie with that? Because she reshoot off bad scenes with Justin Longest Buffalo Bill. That would have been incredible. That actually would have made it kind of more acceptable because it would have been so ridiculous.

Like instead Todd is just like an art school kid who's gay. Yeah. But his grandmother like boxing homophobically. Yeah. The racist grandmother did not age that way. That doesn't work. But Buffalo, just along as Buffalo Bill, Black Sheep Buffalo Bill, the thing that disappointing thing with that character is that the Black Sheep,

there's so many ways that can go that's awesome. Where, like, Spalding and Caddyshack is probably your greatest example, like picking his nose and eating and all that stuff. The Black Sheep character is almost unfuck up. Christopher Walkin literally played one of these characters in Annie Hall. Yeah. You know, he plays the brother in that famous human they go to Minnesota, and he's fucking hilarious in that.

Drive into the lights. Yeah. So other casting what ifs. Will Ferrell offered the role of John Beckwith. Turned it down for a smaller role. John Beckwith was Owen Wilson. Love Chaz. Can't wait to talk about Chaz.

Glad that worked out. Jane Seymour beat out Raquel Welch. Who'd you rather had, Chris Ryan? Raquel Welch is... It's sort of hard to see any of Jane Seymour in this role now. I love Jane Seymour. I always had a thing for James Seymour. It was a great stunt casting.

She was Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman. all the other stuff. Nicholas Cage was the backup choice for the Will Ferrell part. I'd like to see it. If Wolf Farrar said, no, Nick Cage was next cough. I'd like to see it. Has Nick Cage ever said yes to any of those?

Because I hear that they call Nick Cage a lot for these, like, because I think Seth Rogan has a story about trying to get Nick Cage to do something, and it just never quite comes off because it turns out he needs like $11 million in Bitcoin. I'll do it. I was going to say, the problem is that he still thinks it's 1999, and he has to be the star of a movie.

he'll never lampoon his image. But he also has like eight tax liens against his Scottish castles. FYI are on the subject at Nick Cage. Yeah. Conair was on T&T the other day. Yeah. I'm ready. That's all I'm saying.

I'm ready. Conair is great. It's great. Yeah. I forgot how prominently involved Chappelle was. Katie Bakes was just talking about this. Chappelle's like really in that movie? There's a probably a 52 minute podcast to be done on QZAC's outfit from Conair.

In hair. It was like the first QSAC wig for, lead role. There's a lot going on in that movie. And we should mention he lands an airplane on the strip. He lands a commercial airliner on the Las Vegas strip. The Dionne Waiters Award, tough category. This is among the most hotly contested Waiters Awards. I think we've got to have. Apologies to all of our nominees. Everyone's a winner. Bradley Cooper, Ila Fisher, Chris Walken, Jane Seymour. Will Ferrell? Will Ferrell is the winner? I think he has to. to be. He's in one scene.

Mom! Hey, Mom! The meatloaf! We want it now! The meatloaf! What she's doing? I never know what she's doing back there. He's been, he's really in two scenes. There's been some revisionist history that's one scene, but he's also in the funeral scene, but he's in the movie for seven minutes and he scores 22 points. I think that Bradley Cooper deserves special recognition, but Will Ferrell is the technical

winner of the Dionne Writers' Award. This is one of the waiters, all-time waiters' performances. I laugh at every single line of dialogue he has in the movie. Every time Will Ferrell talks, that is the definition of the Dion Waders Award. Every time Chaz says something, it's funny. Catches him at a great point of his career, too. He's on just a string of hits. I mentioned earlier, like, Dobkin will, like, kind of like, let scenes kind of play out in real time

rather than cut around them. And when, you know, Owen Wilson shows up, and he's got the nunchucks around his neck. and he's like, man, and he's like basically like, I could have nunch up you. And then like, he's like, have a seat, man. And he just like does this thing where he's like, yeah. And he's just like kind of like lording over him for a second. And it's just like he's just completely that character. Yeah.

And it's so amazing. And he's just like, yeah. He seems like he just got a crazy hit of smelling salts. And he's like, what? What an idiot. What a loser. Like every line. His imitation is just like his imitation of the guy, hang gliding, is like one of the funniest things.

We could almost rename this the Chaz Award. Yeah. But we won't because we love Deanne Waiters. The Joey Pants Award, for me, it's really down to Kear O'Donnell who just, I didn't know what his name was. And he's just that guy who is the unfortunate character in Winnie Crasher's. Henry Gibson is in this. I don't think a lot of people know who Henry Gibson is, but he is one of the, all-time those guys.

He's that guy. He's an animal house. The priest, right? Yeah. He's an animal house. He's in the long goodbye. He's in the burbs. He's a good guy.

Let's give it to Gibby. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Half-Fast internet research. I'm so excited for this. I'm so excited for Sean's reaction. Roger Ebert gave this film two stars out of four. Although he wrote that their individual moments that are very funny. He said the director has, quote, too much else on his mind.

Roger Ebert might get his own rewatchable's category called Are we sure Roger Ebert was good? I think every take he had is off. Every time we do the rear watchable, it's like, yeah, Roger Ebert didn't like this movie. I think that's a good idea for a category. In anticipation of this podcast, I read this review last night, and I was surprised by how not on the money it is.

He really misses the point. Guess what? I wasn't surprised because I came to my conclusions a while ago. Roger Ebert on comedy in general is not the best. If you go back and look at his reviews of comedies over the years, he's a little bit, it's not that he's out of step. It's just that he doesn't, he kind of doesn't seem to get it. He's almost like the archetype for the critic who doesn't really understand why young people like comedies.

My dad was like that. He was just like, this is horseshit. Like, why would you watch this? He turned into an old fart. Let's be honest. Yeah, but everybody has their own thing. And when Cisco was gone, all of a sudden, he can't see that wedding crashes is funny. The greatness of Ebert is, the greatness of Ebert making truly great and important movies understandable to mass audiences.

That is, that is his talent. This talent is saying, here's what's incredible about Citizen Kane or Mean Streets or these really important turns in history to make you understand what films are. Iber reviewing Wedding Crashers is like not really something I sought out or need. The greatness of Ebert is that he seduced people like you. Wow. Damn. It's a bit rude. Here's Owen Wilson on the movie in 2005.

When I first read the script, it wasn't comfortable. It was a funny concept and story, but part felt corny. And then Wilson, Vaughn, and the writers changed most of the movie, changed the Ark of Jeremy's romance. Got rid of a graduate-like wedding scene with John and Claire? Hmm. I don't know what that would have been. That wouldn't have aged well. No.

You know what has an age well? Is the wedding... Who else did that? Mike Meyer. What Mike Myers movie was that? Well, it's a graduate rip-off. It's parodied in Wayne's World 2, right? Wayne's World 2, that's what it was.

Wayne's World, too, all the references of that. Like, nobody, my kids wouldn't understand anything that was going on. Do your kids watch Austin Powers? They never, they like the, they didn't love it. I'd love to do a Mike Myers episode at some point for whatever. I'm not sure what the movie would be. I wrote about him early this year because I find his career so interesting. I wish more people love So I married an expert.

That's probably his most rewatching. I think that's his best movie. The scene in the butcher, butcher shop. It kills me. I think it's a really funny movie. John McCain and Jim. James Carville appeared briefly in the first Cleary wedding. John McCain donated his $700 salary to charity.

He got shit for being in this movie. Got shit for it. Because there's fake Purple Hearts. That's how they get free drinks at the cash bars. And John McCain, obviously a prisoner of war. That's pretty offensive. The movie website sold the fake Purple Hearts until the military intervened and told them to take it down. 2005 was great.

Who's going to Weddingcrasher's.com to buy a fake Purple Heart? Is that a thing? Really? What's going on? It would be like an open, and it was like back that it was like, I'm going to spend about 11 minutes online today. What should I do? Oh, yeah. There's this great novelty item from this movie I saw.

The creators of the film made a reality TV show called The Real Wedding Crashers. It actually made it to NBC for four episodes of 2007. I have no recollection of this. I was wondering if this ever was like broadcast as a reality show, if we'd find it like utterly like reprehensible. One of the all-time great ringer stories is obviously Kevin Clark's Jerry Rice is a real, life wedding crash. Yeah. I was thinking should...

You just blew up, Clark. Yeah, well... Should we edit that out? I hope he doesn't hear this. It was a very good idea for a piece. That's all that. Way to turn it back. But I was wondering, should we crash a wedding?

Just to see what that's like. That's like a completely foreign thing to me that I would never even consider. I'm trying to think who would be the best ringer staffer to crash a wedding. Really quick, can I just mention? I nearly crashed a wedding this weekend. What? Yeah, so I was staying at this hotel in Lake Tahoe that does a lot. lot of wedding business.

And my wife and I were having dinner. And it was like really nice, but it was just kind of like, you're sitting there after a while. You're just kind of running out of things to say. And we started, we heard shout playing from the next room. And we were like, oh my God. And you could tell it was that moment in the wedding where if I had just walked in, everybody would have been like, oh, it's this guy.

And not known who I was. And I just, we were, we walked up to the door and peered in. And I felt like we got like two weird looks and we backed away. but it crossed our minds. Like if you were in the right situation, I think it's actually like a pretty viable way to spend your time. The clarion call of shout.

Yeah, it was like a real and I think I did. I did it once. What? Yeah. Did you really? It was a wedding. There were two weddings in the same hotel. It was super easy.

It was free for all. Did you just go get drinks and like just? Yeah, our wedding was ending and that wedding was still going. We just kind of wandered over. Do you meet anybody? Do you meet anybody? I don't remember.

I was really jerk. You use a fake name? No, I was just. drunk guy and there was a bar and it was all good. I'm Roy Dimmons. Yeah. Bill Vindaloo. I'm the manager of the Durham Bulls. We're talking 20 plus years ago.

Will Ferrell's scene lasted one day. They had him for one day. One day shoot. He crushed it. One day shoot two scenes. He was good. Mom! David Dobkins said he, Vaughn, and Wilson once came up with an idea for a sequel in which

John and Jeremy find themselves competing with a superior wedding crusher, played by Daniel Craig. So last year, Ila Fisher said that the sequel is a go. She said in November of 2017. She said it on Andy Cohen show.

Yeah, that it's happening. But I haven't heard a word about it since. And then that was sort of tanked down. I guess. Yeah. She used a body double for her nude scene. She told Entertainment Weekly the film's producers wanted her to be naked for five scenes,

but she managed to talk them down to just one. If this movie were made in 1988, that character would have been naked the whole time. She would have been Lacey Underall. Yeah. She watched Fatal Attraction in the hand that rocks the cradle before her audition. And Dormone's in the movie. That's right.

That's right. Those are two of the OGs. It is not true that the painting given to Jeremy by Todd was kept by Vince Vaughn after filming. She's in case that comes up at a bar this weekend. Guys, I have a confession. I own that painting. You bought that with your fake purple hearts? And then we covered everything else.

Apex Mountain. Well, can I just add a couple of quick things for categories that I forgot? One is, I think things that age the best, Bradley Cooper shooting Vince Vaughan in the ass with birdshot, approximately eight months before Dick Cheney shoot somebody in the face in a similar environment. Yeah, good one. The other two, did we even bring up Rebecca D. Mornay and Dwight-Yokey and Dwight-Yoke? Yeah, that's one of the most rewatchable scenes. Oh, Rebecca, that's a good Dian Waders. But for Deon Waders.

Yeah, that we should have. They're both in contention. That's pretty high out there. De Mornay, I don't understand how DeMorne doesn't have like this insane comedy career after this. She's so funny. She's funny. I know. That's weird.

Shut your mouth when you're talking to me. I really like her. I think she's a good actress, and I would love to know the real story. I wonder if it's like a Kathleen Turner thing where she turned off a lot of people or something. Maybe shortly after this, she's one of the stars of John from Cincinnati,

which doesn't go anywhere. So she should have had, like, she really should have had a second act. Also, for the 80s kids, an absolute all-time OG, Pantheon, Mount Rushmore, you name it. Risky business.

All time. Way up there. Agreed. You've made Chris. I'm very uncomfortable. No, not all. I'm just saying, I'm older than you guys. For the 80s kids, that risky business was a big movie.

And that was like Cruz's breakout movie and that carolena the hooker. Like that character was a big. Can I ask you, can't mean to digress here, but I can't get this out of my mind. What is a morally acceptable situation to crash a wedding? Like, what are the rules? Like, you're not allowed to lie about your identity. Okay. And if you're just going to party not to like, you know,

seduce people under false pretenses, is it acceptable? But the whole point of a wedding is to meet somebody. So I read in this movie, they had a real wedding planner who came in as a consultant for the movie. And the woman was asked about this phenomenon of wedding crashing. And she said, it's actually really hard to balance and to manage because in some cases, you know, the bride will see somebody that they don't recognize and then they'll say to the wedding planner, like, who is that? Get that person out of here.

Right. But there was one instance where a bride, I'd said, I don't know who that person is. And it turned out that that person was the groom's uncle. And the person was, like, hugely offended. And it was a huge scandal when they tried to eject him from the wedding. And so I think it's just one of those things where if you just lay low and just get the free drinks and just strike up a good conversation with cool people, you can kind of get away

with it. Anytime you're trying to do anything transactional, you've crossed the line. Well, you are. So it depends how big the wedding. Well, that's also the thing about what these guys do is that they don't just go to the wedding. They make themselves these, they cut the. cake. Yeah, they put their toast.

In the center of everything. Which is, but at the same time, I'm trying to think of like, if Vince Vaughn showed up to my wedding, I would be elated, obviously. If a stranger showed up to my wedding and tried to make a speech and like cut the cake, I would have to be pretty hammered to be like, this is great. What a classic moment. Yes. You'd usually just be annoyed.

You'd be like, who's this six foot five goon who just took over my friend's wedding? I never would have gone to during the height of my wedding from 94. of 03. I never would have been in a wedding and been suspicious of anyone there. I don't think I

ever have been in my life. Who's this guy? He says he's Bob's cousin. I don't know with something about him. I mean,

in Massachusetts, if you were crashing wedding, you'd have the Sully Murf guys would be like, it'd be pretty obvious. They didn't belong.

They would be, they would not have the right outfits on and things like that. But the bigger the wedding, I would say, they're wearing like Robert Parrish T-shirts. They're clearly just wandered it

somewhere else. But I think the bigger the wedding, the easier it would be. It's like a 300-person wedding. Yeah. And that's the thing. They're going through the papers. Yeah.

I was just curious. Yeah. All right. Apex Mountain? Yeah, Apex Mountain. Owen Wilson. No. What is his Apex Mountain, then?

I have a controversial opinion about this. Let's hear it. I think it might be, Marley and me. I think it might be. It's emotional movie. Life Aquatic. Yeah. No.

That's ludicrous. Interesting. Ludicrous. Bill doesn't like Wes Anderson. That's an interesting take. Apex is just like... I'm going to say yes. He's never been more famous than after this movie.

He's never probably had more movie options after this movie. Is he more famous? Was Zoolander bigger than this? Not quite. I don't think so. I think this is probably his biggest movie. You're right. Apex Mountain.

You're right. R-rated comedy boom. He's in the middle of it. Yes. He's in cars. Oh, cars. Well, you're right. was cars.

06. 06. You're right. It sets up cars. It's Owen Wilson's Apex. I think it is. I don't know what Vince Fawn's Apex was. There was a, there's like a, there's like an eight page feature on him in New York

magazine in 2005 when this movie comes out. Like, he was, he was really, it felt like it was his, I'm here to stay. I'm an A plus list guy and I've done really good things in a good career. I don't know what Vince Fawn's Apex was and you'd almost say it was swingers. I think you could make the case that it's actually the breakup. Really? Dating Aniston. He's dating Aniston.

He's co-starring opposite her. It's after Wedding Crashers. He's back. It's officially back. After Red Pit. It's like it's post-old school. It's post-wedding Crashers. And the breakup was a big hit.

The problem is it wasn't a good movie. You could also tell him he had a lot of pull because the guy he plays in the breakup is like, I like the Blackhawks and hanging out in Chicago. He's basically playing himself. Yeah. And that's like real power. You know, and that was real success. Can I tweak here?

Sure. Can it be when they were filming? the breakup as his apex button. When he's on us weekly every week with Aniston, are they or aren't they? And it's after, I think that was it. Rachel McAdams, I would say Mean Girls, the notebook, and then this,

by the end of this, yes, I think this was her apex. I don't think she's ever been more famous. She did a pretty good movie that's been completely forgotten a time immediately after this. Do you know what it was? What? It's called Red Eye.

West Craven thriller. I liked Red Eye. Killion Murphy. Killing Murphy. Yeah. And I wish she had more movies. movies like that too. This probably was, she made it, she made a lot of interesting choices, right? She made like teen comedy, big time romance, bro comedy, thriller, and then the movie

right after that is the Family Stone, which is like Family Dramedy. And that's a pretty amazing first five, five movies that people like pretty much. Did we like the Family Stone? That's why, like, she came along. Yeah, Family Stone's pretty good. She came along and it's like, she's supposed to have Julia Roberts's career. Yeah. Like, she should have had, just kept doing those movies over and over again. And instead, she's kind of like, I mean, she winds up on something like true detective, which is where movie stars are now. Yeah, that's true. Nobody else in the movie worthy of an Apex Mountain.

Not Wollin. Unless you want to go, David Dobkin. Yeah, I mean, he's actually had a successful career, but this is his biggest hit. This is a good category. Who would have been better in this movie? Danny Treos, Steve Bouchemey or Michael K. Williams? I mean, honestly, you could go all three. I'm going Bouchemie for this one.

Bouchem feels very Bucceme. Does he take Walkins part? He could have played the priest. That would be good. That's good. Mark Ruffalo, they knew overacting word. Obviously the over-the-top gay brother. Yeah.

That guy was really going for it. Who's the guy who plays Sacks friends? Not, I don't know who that is. Not Trappster, but the guy who plays football with him, who's like, crab cakes and football. Oh, yeah. That guy's really gone for it with his four lines. Yeah. And he gets screamed on by Cooper.

Yeah. He's the one who's driving after Cooper's killed a girl in his convertible. He's the one who goes to pick up Bradley Cooper and deposes the body. Why is he staying at that house? It's unclear. It's unclear. Pickin' Nits? Yeah.

I mean, it's an absurd comedy. Timeline-wise, can I just get one thing straight? So the wedding, the first lodge family wedding or the first rich person's wedding that they go to. And then that wedding is during the day. And then they get on a boat to go to the house. that's the same day. And then they played football that after. Like was the wedding at like 11 in the morning?

Yeah, there was some, this is a really good question. There's some continuity. It's always bothered me. Because those guys, their wings spread at night. They accelerate at night when they're like,

okay, the party is starting. The drinking is starting. But this is a daytime wedding. That's a lot of variables to have in play for guys who apparently adhere to these rules of wedding crashing. If anyone out there, If anyone out there could figure out the time continuity of this movie, email us at the ringer, the mailbag at the ringer.com. That's an issue.

The fact that they just randomly invite these two dudes to this pretty intimate family gathering right after the marriage is weird, that they don't have more questions. He's a government official. Like he would have like some checks and they would be like a secret service person. This guy is the secretary of treasury. Or like, sure, you can come. Let us just run your names really fast. So this is Steve Mnuchin, right? That's who this, that's who he plays. in real life, Steve Mnuchin. Just picture this movie with Mnuchin in the walk-and-roll.

I hate nitpicking for dumb comedies, but I have a lot of problems with the best man showing up late to the wedding and that kind of stuff. Owen Wilson was the best man in Vince Fawn's wedding. Shows up late. He's like, that's my best man. There was no other best man.

I don't know. Vince Fond doesn't have best man. Come on. The biggest movie start bullshit, I mean movie bullshit in this is just why is Rachel McAdams' character dating sack? He's obviously a prick. He's, like, so on the surface of prick that it's just not credible or believable.

That's why it's tough to nitpick with comics. You know, it's like, it's a movie. It's, yeah. We didn't really pay walk in proper homage. It's both that mail it in walking performance and also a great walk in performance. I think he's pretty good. Yeah, just the movie needs walking. He takes it pretty seriously.

He does. Yeah. It's during that walkin renaissance that came from the more Calvow. Short sight of this. Yeah. Why did you come to my house? He has a couple good quotes, one of which I'm going to mention right now. Nature versus nurture.

Nature always wins. It's a good one. It's a good lesson for life. Tattoo in the lower back might as well be a bullseye. I think that was the first time I'd ever heard somebody say that in a movie. I'm not sure if that one would find out. I heard plenty of that in college before. Yeah.

I'd never heard it in a movie. And then you hungry, hey ma, can we get some meatloaf, I think is the quote of the movie. You're a bone son of a bitch. probably unanswerable questions. Why not have Vince's character just name him Trent? Why can't it just be a sequel to Swingers? Just call him Trent.

They never acknowledge you're not stealing the IP from Swingers. Where are you on? His name's Trent. When people play a role with their same name. Like when Jack Nicholson plays a guy named Jack,

how do you feel about that? Oh, that's interesting. I'm torn on that one. I like when... I find it very vexing. Because it's either that the actor was like, I don't want to have to think

about someone else when I'm reading the script, I wanted to say my name. Or they literally sat around and were like, yeah, that's right. Jack is a great name for this Jack Nicholson character. Like, even in Chinatown, they moved to Jake. You know, like, it always bothers me when people do that. How do you feel about TV or movie characters

being extended into another vehicle? I like it. I'm fine with it. I'm kind of used to it by now. The greatest moment of my life ever watching TV was Coolidge was on St. Elsewhere from White Shadow. Coolidge was a center of White Shadow. And then the guy who did White Shadow,

Grineth Petro's dad, made St. Elsewhere, and brought Coolidge over as the janitor of the hospital. He just had this recurring role. And one day there was somebody in the elevator and was the guy who played salami in the White Shadow, but he was playing another character who's in the whole episode. What do you think happens to... Salami!

And the guy's like, I don't know who you are, man. And just like brushes them off. My generation's version of that is Munch, you know, Richard Belser, who is in all kinds of TV, Law & Order and they showed up on homicide. I think he showed up on an episode something else too. He's in homicide for years and then they moved him to Law & Order.

That's right. Yeah. That's right. But he also made other cameos and other shows too along the way. Would you have been okay if Eric Begotian was the same guy in billions in succession? He basically was. It would have shattered it though. Because there's a world in which it could happen.

You know what I mean? Like there's... That shatters the world. There's no character in one show that crosses out the other. Except for Beogosian playing two roles. But there's not like a like Logan Roy in. billions really. Right. So you could have pulled it off, but then they

messed it up with Bogosian. Who won the movie? I think it's Vaughn. It's probably the peak of his powers. He really does things in this movie that are actually quite, like it's a virtuoso performance. Even like the eating thing, which we haven't talked about, but the fact that he's constantly stuffing his face, the breakfast plate he makes, where he's just like, I'm going to top this off, I'm going to recharge,

I'm going to power down, I'm going to get back to neutral. His bullshit is immaculate in this movie And it is kind of like It does, it kind of is up there with like Stripes and some of the great Bill Murray performances for me Fletch, some of the great Chevy Chase performances I have so little to add Are they made for speed or comfort?

You know, like he just has so many lines like that That are just really, really funny. He's great, I agree. Vaughn. What a hot older woman made you feel her cans? Stop crying like a little girl. I wasn't crying like a little girl. Why don't you try getting jacked off

under the table in front of the whole damn family and have some real problems? Jackass. What are they like anyway? They look pretty good. Are they real? Are they built for speed or for comfort? What'd you do with them?

Motorboat? You play the motorboat? You're a son of a bitch, you old sailor are you? Where is she? She's still in the house? What is wrong with you? This is Apex Mountain slash best movie. And it's a good.

It uses the best parts of him. It's a lot of competition. Like, Wilson's good. Ferrell's amazing. Like people are great in this movie. He is a peak of his powers. Kudos to you, Vince Fawn. That's it for the rewomen.

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What's next for us? Yeah, there might be a special treat next week. Wow. Yeah. What it's easy. Until then. Mom! Milo!