The Rewatchables - ‘Working Girl’ With Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

The Ringer’s Bill Simmons, Amanda Dobbins, and Joanna Robinson hop on the Staten Island Ferry and pop on their tennis shoes to revisit Mike Nichols’s 1988 classic, ‘Working Girl,’ starring Melanie Griffith, Harrison Ford, and Sigourney Weaver. Podcast Manager: Craig Horlbeck Video Producers: Ronak Nair and Marcelino Ortiz Shopping. Streaming. Savings. It’s on Prime Visit Amazon.com/prime to get more out of whatever you’re into. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Dramatic return to you for the rewatchables. I'm incredibly excited. You know, you have two kids now. And you're busy and I was trying to ease you back. But now we get you back for stuff. You've been very respectful. You've been on like a year and a half. I know.

But I'm back and I have to tell you in terms of like returning to the real world. This is like a real. I'm back. World of adults. Thank you so much for this opportunity. Joanna Robinson is here as well. Hello. You don't live here, but every time your hair, I try to grab you for rewatchables now.

It's true. And it's like a great track record of movies that you've had me cover. So, Working Girl. I can't believe it. Mentioned it a couple weeks ago to you and Mallory. Yeah. When we were doing a rewatchable. And I was like, we should do Working Girl. And Mallory, who you've known now for how long?

Ten years. Said, I cannot do that. I cannot take that from Amanda. Give my spot to Amanda. And I was like, you're right. Amanda, as always said, Working Girls is the number one movie I would ever want to do in the rewatchables.

I've been waiting. It's my bad for forgetting that. And now we're going to do Working Girl. Let's run the trailer and then we'll go. Do me favor be me, Tess. Be my secretary. He wants to give her a chance. Hold all pause, Miss McGill.

Maybe I just don't like you. Her double-crossing boss. I consider us a team, Tess. Doesn't. This woman is my secretary. But this working girl is going to make it on her own. You are amazing. Harrison Ford,

Sigourney Weaver, and Melanie Griffith. What's going on in there? She's dusty. Working Girl, rated R. Starts Wednesday, December 21st at a theater near you. This episode of The R-watchables is presented to you by Amazon Prime. Prime is more than just fast delivery. It's also where you can dive deep into your favorite movie genres

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Perfect romantic comedy, but more than a romantic comedy. It is a cultural artifact as well as a, you know, Cinderella story. Great cast. Got a Harrison Ford take for later that I don't want to spoil, but very important. One of the great movie songs, if not the great movie song,

of... Well, I don't want to go ahead of myself. I mean, listen, it's in the trailer, right? We've already heard it. But incredible stuff. The first time when I watched it twice and four days and the first time, and I was like, do I like this song?

And then when... And it plays nine times in the movies. Yeah. Yeah. Where she's just kind of humming it a couple times. Right. They're like, all right. They do it on the Oregon, the symphony.

All the different iterations. The score is great. The score is wonderful. Yeah. And also, you know, I was born a few years before this movie came out. So in some ways, this is how I understand the 80s, you know? And how I understand my parents for better and for worse. So just landmark, in my opinion.

Joanna. I love this film so much. I feel like this is a top five 80s movie. Yeah. Like if you're like, what was the 80s? Let's put in a time capsule for the aliens. Working Girl is in there. It has to be.

That's pretty good. That would be an interesting conversation what those five movies would be. I kind of feel like the breakfast club should be one of the five. Absolutely. Sure. Yeah. Die hard. Let's see.

Die hard. The first die hard. Over like Ghostbusters. Would you put fatal attraction in there? I'm trying to think of a movie that just seemed distinctly 80s. Let's see. Top Gun, I think, would have to be in the morning. I don't know.

There's a lot. Yeah, but if it can only be five, this should be a podcast. This should be an entire podcast. What's the five movie time capsule for each decade? But it would have to be these movies represent the 80s in the most 80s way as possible. And so the way that the Working Girl represents, well, you know, I'm just like only a few years older than you. And growing up rewatching all of these 80s movies on TNT or TBS or whatever. it was, I was like, oh, every movie

is said at Wall Street. Like, that was, that was the impression we got that every single movie was about Wall Street. That was the goal. That was the aim. Everyone was in New York trying to make it. And trading and arbitrage, which I still don't know what it is. I forgot to Google that before this podcast. Bob from Arbitrash.

Yeah. Sure. I don't know what arbitrage is. I have it under questions that can never not be answered. Okay. Oh, that's good. What is arbitrage? I'll never know. There's also, this is kind of the tail end of the, I mean, there's so many things going on with this movie, but this kind of greed is good era. Yeah.

Where it's like you just got to work your ass off. And if you get, then you'll have money and maybe you'll be able to ride in a limo. And it's just the 80s were very innocent about all that stuff. That was one of the things that jumped out to me is like, oh, this premise probably is in the same kind of premise in 2025 necessarily. Yeah, I don't know that like the highest achievement is your office and in a warrant of all these other offices, if that's like the gold ring, the breast ring that you want right now. in the late 80s it was.

And it was a zero-sum game. You were getting it at the expense of somebody else. All right. So I have, well, first of all, Rolling Stone wrote this in 1989, which I thought was perfect when they did a very bizarre Melody Griffith feature.

Well, sure. And I cannot wait to talk about her. Has there ever been like an unbizarre Melody Griffith future? This is, wow. Rolling Stone writes, Working Girl is the story of a secretary fighting an egomaniacal boss for credit on an idea.

Griffith stars as the secretary, and she too is fighting for credit, though the character she plays in in almost every scene, Griffith's billing is third behind Sigourney Weaver, the boss, and then Harrison Ford. It's so interesting that she's not the star of the movie. Yeah.

Because she seems like a massive star now, but at the time, it seemed risky to even build a movie around her. She had just done something wild, right? Yes. And body double, They aren't big movies. Well, this is what makes her forever a star.

Totally. Right. Yeah. But I can't remember other movies where somebody's clearly the star and they're like, nah, we've got to put you third because we need these other two for the poster, which kind of weirdly mirrors the movie. That's so interesting. I think it's definitely happened before, usually maybe second builds over a star that has

an ego or something like that. But third build is under Sigourney Weaver. Because Harrison Ford's her co-le, but Sigourney Weaver is definitely in supporting. But she was a massive star from aliens at that point. It's not even the and, you know? She doesn't even like get the end, like the bumper or introducing. She's not being introduced. She's not being introduced.

She's not working for a while. Yeah, just absolutely third. Well, I can't wait to talk about her. All right, here's what I wrote down. There's four movies going on at the same time. We mentioned the Greek is the New York aspirational money. The Gordon Gecko. There's the 70s, 80s thing that they don't really do anymore in movies

where the trying not to get caught in an elaborate lie. Right. Was basically half of the TV shows in the 70s and then a lot of movies where it's like Joanna's pretending to be the head of Spotify. Oh, well, it's like the TV show younger, essentially. Oh, yes, exactly. All of which is just.

Craig thinks Joanna's running Spotify. She's actually not. Right. And now they're in the same room and the actual head of Spotify's there. Sure. She's got a duck out before he sees her. Yeah, but there's no Google. Yeah.

Right. You can kind of make up whatever you wanted. Right. So you have that, you had the pretty woman Cinderella idea. The pretty woman parallels with this movie. It kind of makes me look down on Pretty Woman a little bit. It openly steals shit from this movie. Absolutely.

Yeah. And then the last piece is the female empowerment workplace comedy stuff that is like, for the 80s because you have baby boom here too. Broadcast news in a like a slightly different way. This is becoming an air of like professional women. Huh. What an interesting time for something. Fatal attraction is.

is also like the reverse of it, right? You know, like a profession. She's professional at the expense of a beautiful home in the country. You're missing the ROM and the Calm, though. Well, and obviously the rom-com. Yeah. But which one of the, out of all of those, what's your favorite? I really, the yuppie cinema of the late 80s,

and particularly the women is fascinating to me. I love all of those movies. It is really fascinating to watch them now. Be like, oh, so this is how I learned how I was like supposed to go to work and supposed to dress because for our age, it was, you know, handed down to you. like, okay, this is what a working woman looks like. This is what it is to be a professional.

Right. You're supposed to like, can you have it all? Should you balance your career? Should you accept the random child that you inherited from an unknown location? Right. Have you done a baby boom rewatchful? Is that what we're pitching right now? I mean, it is really fascinating.

Bright Light's Big City was another one. There's a bunch of these. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My mom talks about, my mom's old. She talks about this all the time. When she gets mad at you know, younger generations. And she's just like, we just knew how to navigate stuff in my day.

Oh, okay. If we had people who were just jerks or they were hitting out, you just learned how to deal with them. You just right. You just right. You just kind of had your ways, it almost like your nuclear defense system. Of dealing with it. And it's one of the interesting things about rewatching this movie is the first 20 minutes

is basically all, but like she's just in this world, weird shit's going on. They're trying to set her up with Kevin Spacey. And she's like, is he going to just try to get me the date? And the irony of it being Kevin Spacey was pretty great. But he's like, yeah, I got my hotel room. And she's just like, oh, man, she ends up getting out of the car. And it's just like, oh, that was a Tuesday. Right.

Now that would be like the most traumatic thing that happened to somebody. But back then, that was just kind of what the 80s were like. Right. Pretty crazy. She has that scene with Alec Baldwin of when she's talking about, like, how great it is to be working for a woman. And there's none of that, like, chasing around the desk crap. and it's just matter of fact. Matter of fact. Exactly.

Right, right. And she's like, I know you hate when I say stuff like this, but it's kind of nice to not have my ass left. But I can't think of that many movies in the 80s that even, I don't know, casually. Nine to five? Is another one? Nine to five. That was the whole theme of it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, that movie's insane. It is true. I think I was 10 or 11 when that came out. The whole point of that movie is like... Do you think, did you see it when you were 10 or 11? I saw in the theater. That's amazing.

Did you see this in the theater? I did. Oh, God. Yeah. I mean, 87 was an all-time movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or 87-88, those two years of just big stars, cool movies. I'm trying to remember if it was perceived as a Harrison Ford movie or a Sigourney Weaver,

because they were both really big stars. Yeah. I think it was probably a bigger deal that Sigourney Weaver was in it because she was, the aliens was such like a massive movie. I wonder if there's a big deal that Indiana Jones was doing sort of like a romantic comedy. His first rom comedy. Yeah. You know. So an Indiana Jones movie or a Harrison Ford movie until you see it and then it's a Melanie Griffith movie. Yeah, he doesn't show up for at least 30 minutes. Yeah.

We're talking about it in a second. We got to talk about Melanie. Okay. Yeah. Holy mackerel. What a performance. I still think body double is my number one Melanie Griffith. Oh, she's so good in that movie and she just comes in 120 miles an hour. Even though she is Hollywood royalty and she wasn't, you know, born a working girl from Staten Island. Right. This just seems like her. This just seems like who Melanie Griffith is. And I can't separate her from Tess, having seen her like any number of other things.

She's also, it's an amazing performance because it's not over the top. It's not, she's like she's not going to win the overacting award. Like she is soft-spoken. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But she's still, you know she's going to, she's going to. determined she's going to get what she wants. But I always think it's really interesting when people take these really big roles. The movie hangs around her and they're and they recede a little and they don't always raise

the voice, Merrill Streep and DeVo We're Prada being the other one. It's not an obvious choice and she's great in it. That's another movie. Yeah. There's a lot of DNA. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah.

There's a reason on my favorite, you know. Well, that's, so this is 38 years old now. And it's just sprinkling DNA over all these beloved movies over the next 40 years. But those were the pretty woman and Devil Wars Prado were the two that I was like, oh, yeah. You guys just watch this one over and over again and tried to pull stuff. Melanie Griffith. We're going to talk about it now? Let's talk about tests first.

Okay. Perfect character. Yeah. Yeah. Like just like little details that are great. Like when she shows up in the office and she takes her shoes off and replaces them, it's like, okay. I get the, the hair is like. a disaster. The outfit's not great. You know the makeover or some sort of thing is happening at some

point. She's like slightly trashy but not, you know what I mean? Like you could see her at a bar at two in the morning probably. She fits in both worlds. She figures the way to fit in both worlds. Yeah, but they're doing like the class version of she takes off the glasses and like, OMG, she's beautiful. Right. She was obviously always beautiful, but I like that the makeover montage is just like a haircut. But it's not like every, you know, it's like she takes off her bangles in one scene and, like, she cuts her hair in another scene. And that's also that's kind of it's capable of that kind of layering on just such short notice. It's like Floby level. Sure. Yeah. It's really impressive.

Really impressive. Really good career. Yeah. So she snaps. Well, all of a sudden when she's going to pretend to be the boss. Yeah. Fixes her hair. Yeah. Different. Slightly different outfit. Changes of makeup. And all of a sudden looks like an absolutely assassin. Yeah. But it's just I thought it's a totally authentic. I completely believe the character. I'm in on all her decisions.

I actually believe she can navigate this world. Yeah. And she's using like her sex appeal and street smarts the right way. And the guys are kind of, that one scene when she walks in and it's just a whole room of guys. And she takes the bright. Yeah. It's just really good. I'm actually surprised she didn't win the best actress.

I understand why because the Jody Foster and the accused that was such like a big part. It was like a big thing for her. People had all history with her. But I don't know. watch those two performances side by side, I actually think this one might be harder in some ways. Since Jody's about to win again.

I always like, when you sort of relitigate the Oscars, I'm just like, well... Would you rather give it the silence of the lambs? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think this is a harder part because I don't know who else could have played the part.

There's a whole roster, which we'll talk about later, you know, but something they talked about inside of the casting is they didn't want anyone who was like too, obviously, the most beautiful woman in the world. See, your beloved. Sorry to step on, you know, casting what-ifs. But Michelle Pfeiffer.

Can't work. Yeah. Right. They were like, she's too beautiful. You just don't buy it when she's sitting there. You couldn't like watch her bloom into something because she's pre-bloomed. So, you know, Melanie Griffith is like the perfect. She's so beautiful.

But with the hair and the bangles and all this sort of stuff like that, you can see how people would overlook her or use her or whatever it is that they're doing. There's some baggage that she brings in real life. Yeah. In the movie? Yes. is perfect. It's like she just turned 30. She's slightly older than Sigourney Weaver. And she just looks like there's probably been a couple of mistakes in the past. And now she's trying to get her shit together. That I don't know if Michelle Pfeiffer would bring.

No. Michelle Pfeiffer has it like is pitch perfect, most beautiful person. And there's no vulnerability to her. Or if there is, it's like a different thing. Things have worked out for her. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I can almost see it with Michelle Pfeiffer with like married to the mob or the father's Baker boys. Like there's something in those characters that is almost there. Yeah, but she's having fun doing that. I guess. I mean, Fabulous Baker Boys, the most important performance by an actress in the history of movies?

That movie? Yeah. Haven't done that one. Do we have to talk about Melanie Griffith's personal baggage right now or should we do it later? Well. It's pretty well documented. There's a lot of stuff going on here.

In her Wikipedia, there's a section for spouses. Oh, sure. Don Johnson. married 1976, divorced 1976. By the way,

she was like 15. Don Johnson, again, married 1988, divorce, 1996. Huh,

that's interesting. The double marriage to the same person is a classic Hollywood thing that I don't think happens in

real life. Stephen Bauer, married 1981, divorce, 1988 89. I have a feeling that they probably had some fun.

And then Antonio Banderas from 96 to 2015. She was married to Don Johnson, and Stephen Bauer and Antonio Banderas. Yeah.

What a trifecta. Yeah. Three of the greats. She had coke and alcohol stuff for... Yeah. Really since she was like a teenager. And you can see it in the movie. Yeah.

And they have all talked about this, but at some point they even had to shut down production because she was under substance abuse. And she said... So I didn't know some of this. I didn't know that they made her pay. Mike Nichols was so mad. made her pay for the whole day shoot.

Right. Stuff like that. But you can, part of the reason that she works is there, her face is sometimes like a little puffy and a little something, especially in some of the early test scenes. And you're like, oh. Yeah, it's not like she,

it's not, she looks like she had had like a really rough night the net before kind of bloated. She was carousing with Alec Baldwin. Yeah. You know, living her life. So she ends up getting,

they say clean after the movie. But some of the stuff was Griffith said it was the late 80s. There was a lot going on party-wise in New York. There was a lot of cocaine. There was a lot of temptation. One of the reasons this movie is rewatchable is because it's fascinating

to see her scene by scene. You'd be like, ooh. Yeah. I think that was a rough night. Because the TVs are better. The HD is better. And you can really sit. There's a couple scenes

where she's just got like completely red eyes for no reason. But it just like works. I dunked my face in a bowl of ice water this morning, inspired by Melanie Griffin. I was like, I just like, I just can't talk about her pumpkin. Yeah, exactly. I need to depot myself.

Yeah, I come correct. They said she would, she'd be out until 4.30 in the morning, and they would have like a 6 o'clock call time. Yeah. And she would just be flying. So they finally had to shut down one of them. But it really sounded like, it was tough. It was not great.

Yeah. I was watching a Harrison Ford interview that he did in promotion of this, and they were asking if she was easy to work with or hard. He was like, well. I just let everyone do what they do. She's very sensitive. Easy to access. And I was like, there you go.

He talked right around it. Yeah. The 80s were amazing. It's always the lesson in the rewatchables. It was just there's no decade like it. There's a lot of that in the movie also. There is cocaine. There are muscle relaxers.

Oh, yeah. Valium. Dim sum. There's a lot of, yeah, dim sum. Yeah. A lot of booze. It's full 80s in the text of the movie. Yeah.

Seems fun. I like the era where it's like 630 and people just on the And people are like, where's Melanie? Yeah. There's no cell phones. You've no idea. Like, where is she? I don't know.

We're filming. We're getting this. The sun's coming up soon. And then she like comes in probably from some whatever, but that's how they did it. It turns out to be the greatest thing that ever happened in her career. Although if you look at our IMDB, this is probably the peak in Pacific Heights. Yeah. And it starts to.

I mean, this is it. Yeah. I do love Pacific Heights. Me too. But this is the peak. So she went in rehab three weeks after filming. And then got back together with Don Johnson, my guy. I was pregnant with Dakota for the Oscars that year.

Yeah. Ends up having Dakota Fanning. Johnson. Dakota Johnson. Yeah. Why did I say Dakota Fanning? Because I'm old. It's only 9.3rd of the morning.

Ends up having Dakota Johnson. Yeah. But Don Johnson is on Miami Vice. This is the ponytail year. Oh, yeah. When he gets amnesia as Sunny Crocker and thinks he's a hitman. I was looking at it. And they have a three-episode arc where he's just a hitman.

All culture. He shoots tubs. I was looking at the Oscar photos from that year, and his hair is just like down past his shoulders, like waving. It was amazing reconciliation. And then the other piece of it is, well, they were once married before when he was 22 and she was 14. It's like, what? Yeah. 14.

It's not good. It's great. So you think the 80s were different. The 70s were like a whole other level. But yeah, she's pretty legendary. She was in night moves with Gene Hackman. I think that was 1975,

the 2B classic. Sure. You see it on 2B all the time. And she has nude scenes in that and she's like 13 or 14 in that. It's just like, just a different era.

She's talked about her childhood. Right, yeah. I would say, exploited was probably a decent word to be. Yeah. I would say. I saw a drowning pool recently for the first time

with Paul Newman where she's like a 15-year-old seductress. She's really, really good in it and also like has chemistry with Paul Newman who is definitely

in his 50s at that point. Jesus. Yeah. Well, it works out. She's also, she plays a hitchhiker in the Robbie Benson basketball classic one-on-one. Sure. A movie I've seen over a hundred times.

And he picks her up and then she steals money from him. But she's basically just for five straight years, either a hooker or some sort of trying to steal from somebody or she's like a street person or she's a drug addict. Right. Yeah. And that's just kind of who she became. And that's so when she does body double,

that's the first time, like a real director's like, no, no, there's something more here. Yeah, though in Body Double, it's not like she's wearing all of her clothes. No, she plays a porn star. She plays Holly Body. And what I think is wild about this movie is like, yeah, this is the least sort of like lowly to seductress she is, and she still is more than your stereotypical rom-com lead,

like Meg Ryan couldn't do this. No. You know one of the reasons I was thinking about this, because it's a great point. she's very comfortable. Like, she's in a bra and panties, like three, four different times in this movie where she's just, like, getting dressed.

She vacuuming. It's topless, yeah. And it's not like, sometimes it's not great camera angles of her and she just doesn't care. Like, she's very kind of, and I don't know if a lot of, like, Julie Roberts, I don't think would have been, oh, I'm just going to get dressed in three different scenes. Meg Ryan wouldn't have done it.

I really love that scene where she's just sort of, like, kind of awkwardly bending over, fastening the garters. And Alec Baldwin, who's reading, like, motor trend magazine is like, like, you look amazing. And I'm like, yeah. And it says it was the same thing with Joan Kusack when they're trying to different outfits. I don't know.

She's very comfortable on screen, which she, for set, there's something about her in everything she's in where you're like, I'm kind of rooting for her. I don't know why. Pacific Kites being the key. Well, sure. Evil tenant. She's got to, like, get rid of that guy. I had a lot of questions about Pacific Kites.

You haven't done that yet on rewatchables, right? We're going to have, it might be from hell month. It might be from hell summer. Some of the legal and landlord arrangements there. Yeah, you're just not allowed to... Pile drive into your thing. Yeah. So we have her.

We have Sigourney Weaver who, her mid-80s looks like this. Ghostbusters, aliens, Gorill is in the Miss, working girl, Ghostbusters, too. Basically on a row. And each part's different. This is a really weird Sigourney Reaver in a good way performance where she's just... Nancy Kerrigan. This is like a character that would not exist in a movie anymore.

True. How do you mean? Just like super kind of heat checky, pompous. I use my sex appeal. I'm just lying in bed in lingerie with 10 people in a hospital bed around me. In general, the lingerie in this movie is of a time. You know? No question. They're all really, really invested in it.

Like thigh highs, I just don't think are a part of the wardrobe in that way anymore. She's really good at it. And in another performance where she is like obnoxious and unlikable, but like all under a chill, there's like an iciness and it's never, it's not big. It's human. Until she comes in like with the crutches and is like making a whole scene and, you know, faints. Well, that's what's interesting. Yeah. She ramps it up in the second half of the movie and it doesn't feel like it's something trying to overreact.

I feel like this character still exists and this character will always exist, which is just sort of like the woman who was born, pretty and extremely rich and knows how to work every room. Yeah. And you're sore and and will pretend to give you a hand up and then stab you in the back. Right. And it's kind of annoying. Like if you put Kathleen Turner in this role in the mid-'80s, I'm not convinced Harrison Ford's going to walk away from it. Oh.

In this case. Oh, I thought you were going to. In this case, she's a little annoying and I can see why he's like, God, I got to get it. Well, I'm almost like, what? Why was Jack with her for long enough that she thought they were going to get married? Well, timelines here are a little confusing. Yeah. What's your Sigourney Weaver relationship?

She checks a lot of your boxes. How so? A lot of different things of movies that you're into. Yeah, a lot of genres. My main association is Ghostbusters. That's my Sigourney Weaver Association. What's interesting about her, she doesn't, like, I don't know who the 2025 Sigourney Weaver is. She was kind of a one-on-one, but nobody realized that it.

at the time, the different types of movies she was in? I think, like, you're Elizabeth Debicki. What's so interesting about this is that the screenwriter said that her role was originally written as a man, which is true for her role in Alien as well. And so the fact that they're like, let's get Sigourney to play the role that we thought we were writing for a man, but let's put a woman in it. So that was sort of like a niche for Sigourney Weaver for a little while, which is so bizarre because she's so, like, beautiful and sexual and all this sort of stuff like that,

but they were just sort of like, there's something about her energy that feels like it could just slide it. We didn't change how we wrote the role. We just... I mean, they have to change some plot points. The jack stuff, yeah. And it does become more, the fact that it's two women against each other. Definitely matters. You rattled Amanda just suggesting they would have changed anything about working girl.

She was like, what's going on? The Sigourney Working Girl into Dave, very formative. So I want to talk about that because you have her in Alien and Aliens, which is like this distinct crazy action hero role, right? that's like only a couple people could have done that. Then you have this working girl character and then she's also the first lady. She's like three completely different. And I actually like her the most of Dave.

I think that's my favorite Sigourney Weaver other than Alien and Aliens. The Dave and the Working Girl, it's someone who is very, very standoffish. And I guess they track opposite where in Dave you got to wear her down and so she'll be doing harmony, you know, for the cop when they get pulled over.

And in Working Girl, it's really funny. She's really good. She is. And in Working Girl, she's, like, sort of charming and weird about the bunny. But then her true layers are revealed. But both times. So do you like villain Sigourney? Are you like Ice Queen Sigourney?

I like Ice Queen Sigourney is like Ice Storm Sigourney is another one. Yeah, yeah. She's so, like, patrician in this versus an alien. She's a space trucker. Like, I think that's... But there's a stealingess to all of them. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I like the Gordner Reaver. She's great. Not a hot take. She's one of the most successful actions of the 80s. You got all speaking of John from, Craig, for your bravery. I was a fan. There's a reason she was in a lot of big movies.

I'm still a fan. She's still great. I mean, you know, she's blue and Avatar or whatever. I don't remember what's going on there. She's playing like a teenager in Avatar. Oh, and like also a whale or something? Yeah, that was sort of moving. I don't remember.

Also, for people in my generation, uh, holes. That's how we were introduced. You know what? I just learned about holes last week. Oh my God. It's formative for you guys. Maybe one of the most formative movies for my generation. One thing with her, she's tall.

Yeah. And it's like she's, I think she's like 5-11. I'm not Joanna tall, but this is the tall woman like consortium over here. Yeah. So I'm taller. Listen, you just made a face like I don't compete and I don't compete with you. No, you, I welcome you. Yeah, thank you.

But we like tall women. We have generally. The internet has a big tall. Yeah, yeah. Six feet. So gorni. Yeah. Yeah. The Chuck Cloverman All-Stars of Stinky Tall.

Yeah. And this is why it's believable when she lands that basket in Alien Resurrection. Right. Yeah. Well, it's believable action hero. Probably hard to cast in certain movies because, like, you can't put her with Tom Cruise. Right. In the 80s, that is a issue.

Yeah. Yeah. Speaking of guys, our guy Harrison Ford. It's really. As we know, our really good friend, Mallory Rubin, loves Harrison Ford more than... I'm going to give that to her. Anyone else in this planet?

She thinks the most attractive Harrison Ford has ever been is in Witness, canonically. This is peak Harrison Ford. This is my hottest take in honor of Mary Rubin. And also in honor of Luke Wilson could have been Harry Ford. No, he could not. This is the hottest he's ever been.

This is the hottest he's ever been. Like keep your Han Solo, keep your indie. I really... I mean, the witness, it's... It's tough, and Mallory did give me her spot, and so I feel bad. And the Sam Cook is powerful. She loves working girl.

She loves working girl. She does love working girl. What is he like? And we're doing witness for her, and she can do Harrison Ford for an hour. Joanne and I are horrified. Inside of the hottest he's ever been inside of a movie. Right. What's the hottest moment for Harrison Ford inside of this movie?

Well, it's a little obvious, but when he's changing his shirt and then kind of you know, the audience is cheering. And he's also, like, I like that he takes this role. It's a nothing role. He's just there to, like, be handsome and support her. And he does it with such charm. And is like, sure, I'll just do whatever you need. And that scene where he's just like, okay, I guess I'll get shirtless and, you know,

make fun of myself and let a office of women clap for me. I find that appeal. The shirtless scene is very good. I would, I see that. And I will raise you a bit of Sizki on the corner of his men. mouth being emotionally vulnerable about how he needs this trade. Yeah. He needs this.

No, that's true. He is a little more open. He's a little goofy in this. There's like almost a little Jimmy Stewart in him. Exactly. Which I wouldn't say typically is my type. So I guess I gravitate towards the slightly more, you know, macho, you know, asshole version of him.

Like, you know, I told, I promised myself when we met, we'd drink tequila is a line that would work on me 10 out of 10 times. It's such a good line. Yeah. I have a question. He's 45 when they filmed. This looks incredible. I've heard conflicting reports.

So a couple years ago, I read a Harrison Ford biography where he talked about, they talked about this movie. And his initial response to being offered this role was, I don't want to take this role. It's her picture. Why would I take this role? It's her movie. It wouldn't be my movie. And that the way it was depicted in that book, they then give the role to Alec Baldwin.

Right. And then he goes, actually, I want the movie. Then they bump Alec Baldwin down. That is true. The other story I've heard is that it was a bunch of it. He just stepped on casting what else, but it's fine. And also all the Mike Nichols stuff. We haven't even read, this is directed.

Mike Nichols is doing that next. Yeah. But that Nichols did want Baldwin, and then the studio was like, Melanie Griffith and Alec Gildew went Baldwin aren't enough of names. Yeah. So you guys are stomping over. Sorry. I'm too late.

I'm too late. The casting mode is. I know. And I did so deep already. Baldwin had it. Yeah. And then they called them and they said, Hey, bad news.

But guess what? He's great. He's fine. He's a perfect grace ball. His career was fine, at least until rust. This and Beetlejuice? Too soon? Sorry. This and Beetlejuice together?

Come on. It's great. To back up your Harrison Ford Point, I present to you this Nora Dunn's story that I'm going to read. We all had such a crush on him. One time Harrison walked up to me and said, I hear that you're working on a different project, and that's why you're working today.

What are you working on? I could barely speak. I said, I'm working on Saturday Night Live. he said, oh yeah, sorry, I haven't seen it. We're an amazing... I haven't seen it. Is it good? It's been for 13 years at that point. And I go, oh, it's not that good.

Laughs. I disowned everything about myself. I even had my hand in my pocket wrenching off my wedding ring. I turned into a complete ignoramus. I came on very late that night, five in the morning, my husband was bed. He said, I'm glad you're home. I have a better off. Blah, blah, blah. And she goes, I was such a traitor because I was blown away by Harrison Ford.

He was in such great shape and such an absolutely perfect move. star the whole package. Agreed. Nor done. Yeah. By all counts, one of the most unfriendly actions in the 80s. Just completely all in on Harrison Ford. His 80s, just wanted to mention this. Not that people who listen to this podcast wouldn't know this, but two Raiders of Lost Dark movies, actually a third because he made the third.

Last person came out right after. So three. Two Star Wars, Blade Runner, Witness. Mosquito Coast, frantic, and then this movie. That's all in the 80s, just from 80 to 89, just banging him out. This man does not have an Oscar. Banging it out. It is a crime. They're going to give him the Irving Follberg.

I want it on stage. What would his Oscar have been? Yeah, what would you give it for? Regarding Henry? Fugitive. By the way, I love regarding Henry, Mosquito Coast. I saw it. I like your joke.

It's a recurring bit regarding Henry. You know what? I like regarding Henry. I don't like it, but he's good at it. Is this your audition for the regarding Henry Rochmos? It's on the list. I love regarding Henry. He's flawed beloved.

He is like he goes some new places, you know, and you never really see him be that sweet. The cast in this movie, I love Harrison Ford. Yeah. Can brain damage make you a better person? That's the question regarding Henry dares to ask. The answer is yes. Harrison Ford, I think, might have the highest approval rating of any actor of all time. Craig, what's your relationship with Harrison Ford?

Ford. He's my number one favorite actor. Yeah. Okay. Good. Every generation loves Harrison Ford. It's nice that it's been handed down. The rule with this stuff is if you're at a party and somebody said, you know, I fucking hate Harrison Ford. People would be like, why? Like, you just wouldn't believe it. Everybody loves Harrison Ford. Not even the airplane antics could bring him down, you know?

Not even, he's had a lot of weird moments last 20 years. A higher Q rating than even like a Tom Hanks, genuinely. Oh, 100%. Yeah. Yeah. He's Indiana Jones and Han Solo among all the other things that he wanted to do. He's the most popular actor of my lifetime. Yeah. Now, some of that helps because he was been in some of the most popular movies in all time. He's also just so cool.

And, like, it's still cool. Because Ryan thinks Luke Wilson could have had his career. Other people in this cast, Alec Baldwin, you mentioned him. Yeah. Young Alec Baldwin. Yeah. We'll cover him later. Not's landing, Alec Baldwin.

Joan Cusack, nominated for an Oscar, which I found strange, but very good. It's cool. Guess what? You know? I would give a tour. Yeah. Nora don't mention Oliver Platt. Yeah.

Starting his role of like, this guy's in an office or in a business. Is he a good guy or bad guy? Is he going to be the villain in this movie or like the sidekick? Who knows? Spacey. Olympia Dukakis is in this. One scene. The year after winning the Oscar.

She's wonderful. We got to take a break and then we'll talk about Mike Nichols. This episode is brought to you by Amazon Prime. Ever finish a movie in the next? next thing you know, you're totally obsessed. That's happened to me. Like, I'm talking about ordering a book, about 70s film lighting. Have you done that's here? I have, yeah. We're buying the soundtrack on vinyl. Kind of obsessed. Whatever it is. Prime helps you get more out of whatever passions you're into we're getting into. Head to Amazon.com slash Prime and follow your obsession wherever it goes.

All right, this movie's directed by Mike Nichols, who had such a fascinating career that Mark Harris wrote, I think one of the best Hollywood biographies I ever read, it's so good. It's really good. And it was one of those careers. I read that. Yeah. It was like,

I always thought this guy was interesting. And then it's like 500 pages of how interesting and bizarre his life was. And this, so his run in the 80s just from 83 to 89 was Silkwood, Harpurn, Biloxi Blues, Working Girl, Postcards from the Edge. And then regarding Henry 91, but movies that just intersect with you,

your brain, your life. this is like, is he like your favorite director? One of them. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that of all those movies that you mentioned, all starring are centered on women, which in the 80s, you know, you didn't always get that. He was famously a comedian part of Nichols & May. Yeah. And then, you know, moved into and a theater legend, moved into directing films,

who's afraid of Virginia Woolf and then the graduate. And because he has so much theater work, he's just, he's like really good. good at people talking and characters and people being believable and in real life situations and like the world around them is always very well observed and you know we say all the time they don't do it like they used to but Mike Nichols types of movies where people are just trying to get something in life and being people and they are people that you recognize he is fantastic at it There's this personal piece that didn't click for me until I reread the section of the Harris biography is that this is when he gets together with Diane Sawyer, who, you know, he considers

the love of his life. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They describe them as, like, giddy teenagers they're so in love in this section in the book. And so the fact that he's, like, found the great love of his life right as he's making this, like, beautiful love story inside of Working Girl is really sweet. And there is also, like, so I think that Mike Nichols' biography, which is wonderful, so much of it is, like his life seems so great. I mean, he was like the Crem de la Crem in New York, friends with Nora Ephron,

Mary Diane Sawyer, like has a house in Connecticut and like raises horses for some reason. I don't even really know what that is all about, like a very like educated, fancy, like wealthy, you know, New York society guy. But he is in fact like a German immigrant, like worked through all of that. And for me, the biography pointed out like the test character is, Relates to him. Yeah. An immigrant story.

And there are a lot of shots of her going past and forth the statute of liberty. Like, it's not subtle once you see that. And this person of an outsider who, like, wants to be in the finer things, like, wants to be a part of this, like, great quote-unquote American, whatever, definitely comes from him as well. It's interesting. I was watching a Candace Bergen interview where she was talking about his horses. Yeah. And she was like, I think he surrounded himself with wealth to sort of inoculate him. Like, because he was so afraid of going back to.

Right. that sort of humble immigrant roots. And so he's just sort of like, I've got horses. I eat caviar. I'm BFF with Carly Simon. Like all this sort of stuff like that is just sort of like, I'm never going back. Yeah, he was big on chartered planes and just kind of obscene wealth. Yeah.

And that was. It seems like he lived well. How about that? The book made a big, that was a big piece of the second half of the book is he's so kind of obsessed with just garnering wealth because he wants to fly private everywhere he goes. He wants to stay in like the base. So he ends up taking some some projects that basically just for the paycheck and his 90s get pretty strange. He makes some, some bad ones and basically does some money grab stuff. But also the masterpiece regarding Henry. So, you know.

But he, he belongs to this different era, though, of when like these, these like very powerful creative guys felt like they were in New York. And now that's kind of over, like Graden Carter retired. and Lauren Michaels was 80, but you had this run in the 80s, 90s, it was like Mike Nichols, Great and Carter. Yeah. Mike Nichols. There was like these six, seven of them, and it felt like all of New York culture just kind of ran through all of them.

Yeah, Harrison Ford talks about... Yeah, Harrison Ford talks about how like every day they shot, they also went out to these like really long lunches at the best restaurants and had the wittiest conversation. And that was what it was like to work with Mike Nichols. Yeah, and Spy Magazine was starting even parody some of this stuff at this point. but Nichols, fascinating guy. I think when I think about his movies,

especially when he look at all these in a row, just really good with lead female characters. He's just, for some reason, and they all loved him. Works with Merrill Streep three times. Yeah. Well, in that decade. And then, you know, she comes back for Angel's Marry.

And a real famous man, too, which, you know, I wouldn't call him like breathtakingly handsome, but it seemed like there's something about him. I think he and Melanie have the same number of marriages. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, he has, he had a lot going on in, really, his whole life until he found out. But, yeah, to that point, when they gave, when they gave him this sort of, like, AFI award, every single tribute speech was given by a woman.

Yeah. Yeah. It was like Nora Ephron, Elaine May, Merrill Streep, Cher, Candace Bergen, like, yeah. There was an oral history. I didn't read it. It came out last year because I felt like the biography. I was good with Mike Nichols. I didn't really need to double down.

But there was an oral history. It's called something like Mike Nichols. as told by 150 of his closest friends. Right, right, right, right. So that was a really good title. Yeah. Screenplay was written by Kevin Wade, who went to New York City in 84

and saw all of these career women walking through the streets and tennis shoes carrying his high heels, and it's like, that feels like a movie. Then we go. Ends up getting nominated for six Academy Awards. Best picture, best director, doesn't win. Best actress, Griffith loses.

Best supporting actress, Weaver and Cusack. Mm-hmm. and only ones for Carly Simons. One of only, I think this is right. Guys, how are the levels on that? Only this and Bruce Springsteen's Philadelphia, I think at least in my research, maybe there's been one in the last couple years

they didn't update, but won best original song, Oscars, Grammy, Gold Globe, all three. Triple Crown. Wow. Not like you wouldn't know it's a Carly Simon song? I think so. Right? You would think it's, it could be like, it's just a popper.

Does it sound like Carly Simon to you, though? I don't know. I don't remember a time where I didn't know this was the Carly Simon song, so this just is the Carly Simon song. But like, the way that she hums throughout the movie is very Gilmore Girls to me. You know what I mean? So like all of that is connected in its own special way. More DNA for this movie, Gilmore Girls.

But I think that like, that's Carol King, but it's like, it's a very similar like vibe. And I think what's interesting, according to my research, is that originally she wrote a bunch of songs for this movie. And they were all very explicitly telling you what was happening in the plot. Yeah. Right. And so they just cut all of those. She's just trying to get ahead. Time to cut your hair.

You know, whatever. Best picture, Rain Man beats it. Okay. Good category that year. Rain Man, Accidental Torres, Dangerous Liaisons, Mississippi Burning, Working Girl. I'd probably give it to Dangerous Liaisons. but I would give it to Working Girl over Rain Man. You're a dangerous liaisant's person?

Oh, I love Dangerousslazons, yeah. Is that you throwing your hat in the reins? No, I'm not audition. Just every time I say, like, a movie doesn't mean. No, because I love that movie. Yeah, it's a great movie. I don't think CR, it's too, you know. It's too risque.

Yeah, he doesn't work blue. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Like that timid Irish Catholic guy. Oh, yeah. It's good. I still go for Working Man. I mean, Working Girl over Raid Man.

Oh, yeah, working girl over Raidman. But, like, Rain Man was like, a real thing. Rayman was a phenomenon. Yeah. This was too, but Rain Man was like a phenomenon. Oh, yeah. I think. We were constantly quoting Rain Man.

We weren't quoting Working Girl necessarily. Well, Bear Levinson wins for Best directing. My dad's favorite director. And Hoffman wins for Best Actor. Best actress. Melinda Griffith loses to Jody Foster. Glenn Close is in there for Dangerous Liaison, which is a fucking incredible performance.

That's incredible. I think that's the winner. I think that's the winner. But is that where her, like, trajectory of always being the loser starts? That's the one. Her taking off the makeup at the end? Yeah. She's very good.

I think it took, like, a couple more nominations before she became the Susan Lucci of Oscars. But, like, that's where we could have turned it around, right? Yeah, before it started, honestly. Meryl Streep and a cry in the dark. I don't remember that movie. That's not, is that dingo in my baby? The dingo ate my baby? Oh, that's it.

Yeah. Yeah. And then Sigourney got nominated for Girls in the Miss. All right. No best actor supporting, but best actress, Cusack and Sigourney. So, Sigourney with the double nomination. Always loving that happens.

Strong rare. It's also one of the rare three women nominated from one movie. Right. Yeah, I don't think that there. It's like maybe all about Eve. Chicago? Yeah, it's only happened a couple of times. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Francis McDormand. You might have heard of her. I have. Mississippi Burning. Fife. Fifer.

Dangerous liaisons. and then Gina Davis wins for the accidental tourist. Oh, well, don't, don't, no, don't, save it. Some really good ones didn't get nominated that year. I just want to point out. I don't, I think Joan Cusack's really good in this movie. I also don't think it's that important of a part, and I can't believe she got nominated because Elizabeth Perkins and Big.

She's pretty good. Wouldn't that be lead? I think you could thrown down supporting. Susan Sarandon, Bull Durham, not nominated? Once again, that's leave. Yeah. But she should have been nominated. Is it lead?

I think you could have shoehorned it into supporting for trying to get. Are you a category purist? Not necessarily, but I don't think they played such fast and loose games with category fraud back in the 80s. I don't mind it. I don't mind it at the end of the day, especially if someone hasn't gotten an award and can get an easy one in supporting where they can't compete in lead. What about Hopkins 16 minutes for Hannibal Lecter, best actor?

16 minutes of the movie. That's fine with me. Okay. I support it. Three men who didn't get nominated? Charles Grodden and Midnight Run. That's tough. Alan Rickman and Diehard.

Also tough. Malcovich. Dangerous liaisons. What the fuck are we doing? They nominated Dangerous Liaison for Best Picture and did not nominate Malcovich is wild. Truly wild. But what's funny is like you mentioned Die Hard and you say Die Hard to me now. I was like, well, Die Hard is not going to get nominated for something.

But Working Girl is such an improbable. Doesn't it seem like. Now, Working Girl feels like, I mean, not in an ANora year necessarily, but like, you're like, oh, this is just an 80s rom-com. And I think growing up, it wouldn't have occurred to me that this was a six Oscar nominee. But it was a massive movie. Yeah. Malkovich really hurts. It does.

I don't understand that one. We saw this movie when I was in college. It was right when I was really getting into movies from like a bigger picture way. and we just, we all left the theater and we're like, holy fucking, that movie and we were like, Uma. Malkovich. Yeah, I mean, just everything. But we were like, that was like,

is that like the greatest acting performance of us? Like, we didn't know any better. Who was nominated? So best supporting. Kevin Klein won for Fish and Save Wanda. Al Guinness. Little Dorrit. Martin Landau, Tucker, the man in his dream.

River Phoenix running an update. I don't mind that. And then Dean Stockwell married to the mob. Okay, so there's just some old timer. They just stayed. Yeah, and Kevin Kline. And Kevin Kline wins. Yeah.

Grodin, I think, bothers me the most other than Malcovic. But regardless, $28 million budget for Working Girl made $103 million and then lived on for the next 38 years and counting and in Sun. Guys, we used to live in a better world where Working Girl could make over $100 million and get nominated for six Oscars. Yeah. Well, Roger Ebert, four stars. Raj. The plot of Working Girl is put together like clockwork, carries you along while you're watching it,

but reconstruct it later and you'll see the craftsmanship. Yeah, it's called Cinderella, but that's fine. And then he said, Working Girl is Nichols returning to the top of his form and Griffith finding hers. Agree. Yeah. Yeah, solid.

Yeah, because they didn't like Biloxi Blues very much. No. Yeah. I defend Hartburn, big time, even though it was not well-received. I like to think about Heartburn more than I like watching Heartburn. Craig, who's Melanie Griffith for your generation? I mean, Dakota Johnson? I don't know.

Yeah. I think that's fair. I mean, she's kind of, you know. She's single. Similar-ish beginnings. Let's do the categories. Okay. We just saw a Dakota Johnson movie early as we did together.

She has really shiny hair. Yeah. Okay. Clear smile. She does. But when we were talking about Don Johnson's hair, I was like, oh, maybe the hair is from Don Johnson. Yeah. Yeah.

And the smile. It's really, really shiny. What a legend. Most rewatchable scene. Opening credits, I'm just throwing it out. Absolutely. Really good. 100%.

And the Statue of Liberty and you get to see all New York. And then it's like, ah, they're the Twin Towers. And they're standing on the ferry. Yeah. And then it goes right into them on the ferry and the shoes and the, you know, they get that in the first few minutes. It feels like it's cheesy. Well, it's on my list.

No, we have a bunch. Yeah, I don't know. It feels like it's going to be cheesy. And then it's not cheesy. No. I'm actually enjoying this little. And you liked it both times because you said you liked watching this movie the second time more than the first time. Yeah.

Did you, what did you bump on the first time? Because I was just, every time it's like the hair and the clothes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh my God, this movie feels. Yeah. My son walked by the TV at one point. He was like, the fuck is this movie. He was just completely confused by it.

He's like, is this a Mad Max movie? He was acting all this. He was like, what is this? Yeah, yeah. All right. Next one I have is Bob from Arbitrage in the limo. with Tess, because it's so fascinating to see Spacey. We're going to party!

I'm starting a new category. The Kevin Spacey doing cocaine, showing porn, an inappropriately sexual harassing test in a limo award for craziest foreshadowing of a real-life event. Yeah, yeah, yes. I don't know if we've ever had that category out again. I haven't been what age the best. Yeah, it's like, wow.

They knew. Wow. Yeah, Mike Nichols, perceptive. I really like that one. She types in David Lutz is a slezoid pimp with a tiny little deck. Slezoid Pimp is incredible. It's one of my most 1987 things. The word slezoid, which we don't use anymore, and that's said.

Tess in Sigourney's office. I'm just going to call her Sigourney throughout the movie. I know she's Catherine. She's talking German? Yeah. Oh, sure, when she calls to make the reservation. She's just really turning it on. But then gives the Tess, you don't get anywhere in this world by waiting for what you want

to come to you. make it happen. While wearing her ski boots over her nylon. Yeah. Before she gets on the phone and starts speaking German, she says, well, did you tell them it was me? Right. Which is just like that's some special energy to bring to the world.

I also like how Melanie Griffith is reacting off of what a pompous, like, be shit boss she is, but she's just kind of. She's absorbing. She's trying to absorb and she's actually like genuinely interested in her answers. I really like when she asks Sigourney, like, well, what happens if? He doesn't propose. And Sigridi goes, I really don't think that's a variable. Right.

And I'm me, so. Also, good office. Get a nice little shot. You can hear the fairy in the background? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. So you got that test goes to the bar and meets Harrison Ford. I mean, obviously.

That's my number one. 100%. I have a head for business and a bod for sin. Yeah. All-timer. I've left for you. Why, do you know me? No, no.

I promised myself that when I saw you, I would get to know. know you. You're the first woman I've seen in one of these damn things that dresses like a woman, not like a woman thinks a man would dress if he was a woman. Thank you, I guess. What are you doing here? Actually, I'm looking for someone myself.

His name is Jack Traynor. He works at Dewey Stone. Do you know if he's here? Why are you looking for him? You're the first woman I've seen at one of these things that dresses like a woman, not like a woman thinks a man redressive? Yeah. And I thought that's a good line. Costuming throughout is great, but you see all the other women in their suits.

And they clock her and look at her like what's wrong with her. She shows up and thinking that she completely misdressed for this occasion, which she kind of did. But caught the eye. She looks great. Oh, this is the best. She looks incredible. And really good Harrison Ford double take shot. Yeah.

This scene's really good. This has one of my favorite moves that you can do it on rom-com. The guy not saying who he is when he meets our lead character. is just like, that works 98% of the time. The costume designer Anne Roth, one of the things that she said was, like, I cheated with that dress. She's like,

because no way could Sigourney Weaver wear that dress because it's way too short on her. Right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That it would just look silly on her, but she was like, who cares? Yeah, it's fine. Craig, when you write your AI rom-com,

okay. Put in something about the guy who meets the lead character. And lies to her. Doesn't admit that he's the character. Yeah, I didn't tell Liz who I was when I'm there. She's like, don't you work at the ringer? I'm like, no.

The I don't, maybe I might be alone on this for a rewatchable scene, but I like the party when Nick and Tess get in the fight after. And he goes, who the fuck died and made you, Grace Kelly? And then she comes back with I am not steak.

You can't just order me? It's just fucking great screenwriting. But I like that scene. I like when they fight. It's good. She looks good in that one, too. Because the incident where they had to shut down production happened on Staten Island, the whole time I was just watching me like, is this the one? Is this the one? Is this one? I don't think that that's the one. I think it's when she's, they're walking with a pizza box. Oh, you think it's the wedding? No, I think it was the wedding because they had, that was the one they had to delay by a day. Oh, okay. But I think it was the wedding where she's dressed in the bridesman's outfit. Oh, do you think she was so tanked because she couldn't stand being in that bright turquoise bride's bride. Yeah. Might have been that. That was tough. Okay. Yeah. I really love. I really love. every single moment of the Luau wedding party? Yeah, of course.

The drinks are great. I like the barfetters and the waiters. I went to a wedding over Memorial Day, and they played that song, and I was like, this is a working girl wedding song. Where am I am? Why didn't you have a Luwout wedding? Because we didn't dream big enough, you know? And he regrets?

Would you do it over again? Also because Zach planned it. So I, you know, I wanted to do City Hall and he planned the wedding, but maybe we should do renewal of vows, luau. A renewal vows, luau. Yeah, I agree. Can Joanna be invited? Please.

I also, I never, I didn't have a 40th birthday party. So maybe it can be 40th birthday, vow renewal luau situation. Working girl homage. Yeah, let's go. I think the tall, like just red 40 drinks, whatever it is that it was important drinking. With the straws from Dunkin' Donuts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Craig, have you ever been to a themed wedding?

No. See, I think this was a 70s, 80s thing that went away. Because we took weddings less seriously when I was a kid. Yeah. And then they eventually had to become these big serious major events. I love that when the bride enters the bathroom in tears. And she's like, my husband says it looks like Nicaragua. He had to be going too big.

We got a Ricky Lake cameo out of nowhere. Oh, yeah. Do Coveney's in this, too. De Coveney's in the scene when they fight. He's also in the, like, surprise. Oh, he's in the wedding, too? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The Covney's got this slick back hair thing going on.

Yeah. It's his, don't tell Mom, the Babysitter's dead hair. Yeah. I like when she dances with Trask, too. I like Trask, I think he's good. Yeah. A couple more. Jack telling her where he got a scar.

You guys talked about that scene earlier. Sure. No, no, no. That's a different shirtless scene. Yeah. When after he's come back from Memphis and he's at the office. Oh, yeah, yeah. And he's on the phone.

And so he's doing like the gym class, changed the shirt while the phone thing, you know? It's great. And all the ladies in the office outside of his window start cheering for him. And he's like, yeah. That was You know, you like You imagine what offices are like Yeah

Watching these things So growing up watching like the Mary Tyler Moore show It's like, okay, you always have a bottle of booze In the bottom drawer of your desk And then watching this I was like And you have fresh shirts Of course In case you just flew back from Memphis

And shoes and sneakers Yeah And all kinds of things Nobody would steal anything I thought it was believable Post-coadist bed talk with them They usually ruin those scenes in rom-coms Or in Topcoms

Yeah, it was charming I mean, well, just laughing hysterically. My favorite. Craig, we might have to break that scene down on Ringer movies. I just, I have so many thoughts. It's one of the funniest two-minute scenes of this century. It's really, really good. A couple more.

Jack visits Catherine with Tess hiding in the apartment. I was like that. All time. Yeah, it's great. Can Big Jack come out to play? It makes me laugh. The boardroom showdown, got that. The Allvator Showdown.

Yeah. And then I really like when she meets the new assistant at the end. Oh, yeah. And that whole interaction is so good. Amy Akrono, yeah, yeah, yeah. I expect you to call me Tess. I don't expect you to fetch me coffee unless you're getting some for yourself. And the rest will just make up as we go along.

Okay. Does the thing about only get me coffee, you're also getting, like, whatever she says. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's just like, oh, this is good. She's learned lessons. And the rest will make it up as we go along. Yeah. And then Mike Nichols is like, but don't get too excited and just panes back. You're just a rat in the head. Yeah, you're just a mouse in the chat. All right. So what's your most rewatchable?

Can I add one? Yeah. So after they meet at Harrison Ford and Test meet, and then she passes out from the Valium and he takes her home and props her up in the chair and then it's doing like a whole solo date with her. Would you like a nightcap? Uh, it's too late for coffee. Herb tea. It always sounds good when people offer it to me when I'm in your shape. He's like, would you like some nightcap?

Would you like some tea? And she's flapping over. He is so funny. And he is just, I mean, he is acting against, you know, Melanie Griffith as a raggle. He's very funny. I do have it under what age the worst. Sure. But he didn't.

And in the end, he did the right thing. Mostly. He took off her dress, which he didn't need to do, got in the bed with her while he is also naked. I'm saying put her on your bed, sleep on the couch. We don't know if he's naked. I'm with your leg, bear shirt. No shirt. I had for what's age is the worst for this whole thing that they just wouldn't have this scene in the movie now? Yeah, that's true. But there's kind of an innocence to it, but I appreciate it. When he says, would you like a nightcap, no. And he's like, would you like, this always makes me feel better when I'm in your position. Like, it's funny. Yeah, it's really funny. That part is really funny. thing about like the department maybe not clean and like I don't mind but people who come like it's very funny it's really really good hair said ford yeah it's very good and good and good physical comedy I would like to add the farce of Melanie Griffith pretending to be the boss Joan Cusack pretending to be her secretary yeah oh yeah I was trying to get in and Morrison Ford's in the office yeah so what do you have for most of Rachabell I mean I'm the opening I think it's I think it's I think the opening. That's hard, though. The wedding and then also the elevators. Do I have to pick the whole movie? You have to pick. The elevators. The elevators.

Do I have to pick? Nobody's ever asked that on rewatchables. I know, but I'm so excited. It took me like my second watch to find any, like, what-aged poorly. I was not too happy. Yeah. I pick the wedding. Okay.

No, I pick the elevator. No, I pick the elevator at the end. Okay. What do you have, Joanna? The meet cute at the bar. Yeah. Over. It's really good.

I don't think he'd be ordering gold tequila, but other than that, 10.10, no notes. I have the bar. Okay. Yeah. What's the most 1988 thing about this movie? I have seven candidates, but give me your best one. The eye shadow.

The hair. Yeah. So I had all the haircuts. Yeah. The makeup and the eye shadow. Yeah. Okay. When they have sex and they're undressing each other in his apartment and she's got like a translucent

blouse on, but you can see the shoulder pads. Oh, yeah. Through the Translaced and Bath? Yeah. That's shoulder pads. Mm-hmm. I have a couple more runners up because the hair is the answer. I feel great.

Yeah. What about the powder blue ruffled tucks look at the wedding? Sure. The Twin Towers, sadly. Yeah. Sure. Multiple women calling themselves secretary? Yes.

I don't think that word's been said in 15 years. Well, you may quite correct it at the end. If it's okay, I prefer assistant. Yeah. Yeah. Lark. cigarettes. Oh. Oh, good one. I don't know what they... I don't know what those are. Remember those. Maybe they're there. A lead movie character regularly reading newspapers and magazines.

What about radio being? Sure. Radio being a thing. But my number one other than the hair is Catherine's exercise bike. Oh, yeah. That she gets on it. That thing looks like it's out of like 1884. That's very good. Like I think Taylor Sheridan used it for one of his go-back show. I think I I can't even, it looked like he weighed 140 pounds. It's like made a wood. I mean, it's clever, though, because you're also, like, you're sort of doing a crunch. You're using the core as you're, as you're peddling.

It looks hard. And they have, like, the old mid-80s TV with, like, the VCR on it. It was like, it's just the most 80s scene in all the movies somehow. The, all the computer monitors. Yeah. All the printouts. Oh, yeah. The computer.

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What's the age the best? What do you got? Let the river run. The song and the score. And the way they use it, you know, when the chandelier is coming when they're, coming down and it's just like the organ, like you're at a church, but it's let the river run. And like, what's it for? It's like, it's like rom-com gospel music. It's really, yeah, but it's really, really well done.

And I do also think like that, like the bigness of it, that first shot of the Statue of Liberty and got all the drums going. And it's like, oh, okay, we're. I'll go further. It shouldn't work. Yeah. It should have failed. Yeah, but it works. We're going to make rom-com gospel music and that should just be like, that shouldn't work.

Yeah. And it works. It works. gets me. I'm singing it walking into that. I love it. That gets stuck in my head all the time. That song gets stuck in my head all the time. It's anthemic. What do you have? Supportive work husband, Jack Traynor. Yeah, that's great. Oh. Yeah. You liked when they were making toast together and buttering it. It was so cute in the kitchen scene at the end. And he passed for a lunch, which he got monogramed very quickly. I'm still waiting for my first fun morning experience with that. When does Trask? Say report to my office.

Tomorrow morning. Oh, wow. And they do have to go back and like finish their contracts. It seems like they've been living together for a little while when she goes. Right. I'm also like, how did you get, you know, like the luncheables next week or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you and Zach like share a toast and it pops out of the toaster and you butter it and then he puts jam on it? He does bring me coffee, though. So yeah. Really? Yeah, he does. Oh, that's great. Yeah, it is very nice. And he's the barista. So Zach plans weddings and brings you coffee. Yeah. It's really a Renaissance band. The full package. The full package. Um, I have for what stage is the best other than David DeCubbney's

cameo and I really love the roundtable that they have near the end of the movie. It's just it was almost thinking about it for the ringer because we do like a 12-person podcast with this giant roundabout thing. What's age the best? Jack's tequila gold order, which seemed

really rambunctious in the late 80s. Like you ordered tequila, it was basically like doing cocaine. Yeah. But tequila is like the most dangerous order? That's how she reacts. But just that he was a tequila guy, now it's like tequila's one of the go-to. That's my drink. tequila, but just neat.

Yeah. I'm telling you, in the 80s, people were afraid of tequila. Yeah. It was like, you drink tequila, you'll black out. I don't even know what tequila gold is. It's cheaper than it, you know, what I think a Jack trainer would order. Jack being on tequila early, though. It was also a double, and then you got two of them, so they really had four shots

in like 10 seconds. Yeah. And she had taken four values. I should check the milligrams. Live and learn. Live and learn. What's age the best? This would be my Harrison Ford contribution to whatever. Great clothes in this movie by him. I was admiring all of the outfits

and the tie choices. It wasn't 1988 at all. It actually felt like you could wear a lot of those suits. I was impressed. I mean, Joanna mentioned Anne Roth did the costumes, who was like a legend. And like across the board. All solid colors for the most part. I mean, because once Tess has her makeover, it's like really communicating something, both like very 80s, but very different about who that

character is or who that character is trying to be. Like, Thigernie Weaver's entire closet is so. All of her skirt suits. Yeah, the details are spot on. And they really do make the characters. But I agree that he looks great. His overcoat, he's got a scarf, you know, jaunty clothes. Richard Geer and Pretty Woman also great clothes.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like a sneaky thing when you have, like, the rom-com guy who's got to be a wealthy guy. The clothes have to work. And the clothes fit, which I would just give a note to all men now. Oh, okay. Yeah. You can find a tailor. Clothes don't fit anymore.

I have for what stage is the best, the Melanie Griffith, hot mess, stealth smart, baby voice archetype. Okay. As a movie character, I'm always in. Who else you got? I don't know. It's just, I'm in when it's like, oh, I'm going to underestimate her. And there's way more going on here, but nobody sees it.

But we, the audience see it, but nobody else does yet. It just works. Yeah. So, Craig, I add that to the rom-com. I mean, I get the Chinese, Princess Diaries. Yeah. It's another one. Sure.

Well, I guess she's not really baby voice. She's just a teenager. Well, but she doesn't believe in herself. And I have to try and devil was proud of the first half hour when Merrill Streep's just ripping her a new one. Yeah. Before the makeover. Yeah.

Would say you best trying to guess which scenes Melanie Griffith filmed right after she was out 430 in the morning before. It's weirdly like a great part of rewatched this movie. And you can win that game, actually. You can. How about this tidbit? I don't know what category to put this. but I'll put it in what stage the best. Working Girl became an NBC series in 1990

because this is what we did in the 80s and early 90s. A movie was successful and they had no ideas. Before they turned them into Broadway musicals. Right. Do you know who starred his test? I do not. I don't. Will you give us a hint? Want to play 20 questions? Yeah. Okay. Go ahead. Brunette or blonde? Well, you have to say, I was going to say, is she blonde? Is she black? No. No. Okay.

Is she Brunette? Yes. Okay. Okay. Is she still working today? Yes. Is she more of a TV? Is she TV actress?

No. Has she been in a rewatchables movie? Yes. Okay. Has she won an Oscar? This is really fun. Yeah. She won an Oscar.

Yes. Okay. Dark hair has won an Oscar, has been a rewatchable movie. It's still working. still working. I'm like, my hands, I'm, like, controlling them under the table. I'm like, I can't. I want to reach for my computer.

So I'm like, okay. It's not Sandra Bullock because she's not really still working. It is Sandra Bullock? Sandra Bullock. She's not working. She's not working. She hasn't made a movies in a long time. She has her own life.

Listen, people make choices. Take the win. Take the win. It's Sandra Bullock. It's Sandra Bullock. Oh, okay. Wow. Okay.

Sandra Bullock. 12 episodes of Working Girl. Yeah. Somewhere on YouTube. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Does she have the hair?

Craig, does she have the hair and the makeup and everything? That I don't know. I'll look that up, though. Okay. What was her Oscar?

I forget. Blind side. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You ready for that rewashable? That's Van's already. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Van didn't just request to be on it.

He's just like, I have to be on it. Yeah. What's age the best of this quote? Never Burn Bridges. Today's junior prick, tomorrow's senior partner. Yeah.

Good best in life. Yep. And then I had the, officer and a gentleman homage when they're kissing. And one of the secretaries says, way to go, pay it. Way to go. Which is like, that could either age the worst or the best. No, no, I love it.

It's really good. That's great. Big Cooner Burger Award for Best Use of Fruit or Drink. I'll give you champagne on Spacey or the dim sum dumplings. Dimpsom dumplings. Dimpsom dumplings, the souvlaki. Sure. I mean, I was going to say tequila.

Tequila shots, wedding drinks. And then the wedding drink is the other one. Oh, that's the winner. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, fair. What do you have for Great Shot, Gordor? It's the opening credits, right? I was going to say the last shot.

That last shot when she is, like, because it is, like, a whole idea about the movie. And it is otherwise, like, not a Saccharin movie, but I think that last shot adds, like, a lot of ideas to what you're supposed to take away from it. And you also, like, think about it. You know, it's famous, right? It's the finest. It's just her and that's everyone, you know? That is the most famous shot in the movie. I think, or her on the ferry at some point.

I would say there's a, after Baldwin cheats on her, and I think basically she spends a night on the ferry. There's a shot of her on the ferry with just like a fog machine behind her. And then you get this crazy, it's a helicopter shot over the water into the night skyline, but it's sped up so it looks like a drone did it. It almost looks fake. Yeah, it's cool. Yeah.

Keep Cutty Pursuit Happiness Award Best Needle Drop. I'll give you Lady in Red by Krista Bird or the Pointer Sisters with I'm so excited. So Let the River Run is not eligible. Not eligible. Okay. It's obviously Lady and Red. It's definitely Lady and Red. They milk it too.

You know, they give you like a long, long intro. And you're just like, oh my God, is this really? They're doing Lady and Red. It's the whole time and then they dance. That's one of those karaoke songs that it's almost weird if somebody picks it. It's not almost. I've never seen you lose. You're like, what's this guy doing?

So. You have to really commit to it. It's also like everyone has to have had tequila at that half-ass Lady and Red. Did, fun fact, did you know that, I'm sure you did, that they first cut the opening to the Eagles Witchie Woman and everyone liked it and Mike Nichols told Carly Simon that and she's like, how dare you? And up their game. That absolutely ruins the movie.

I agree. Witchy woman. That would be so bad. Yeah, the Mike Nichols called her, he's like, we're going to use it at the end, but we're going to open with the Eagles witchy, ooh, witchy woman. It's a good song, but not for that. Not for that. Chess Rockwell, Brocklander's aware for best character name. Can I submit Doreen D'Aumucci?

It wasn't me popping Doreen D'Amoochie in our bed. Doreen D'Amoochee. Or a task is a good runner-up. Doreen D'amuchy. I'm so happy to give this out with Amanda Dobbins here. The Amanda Dobbins Award for Best Piece of Real Estate. One of the great categories. Listen, this is like one of my great career achievements that this career exists.

So you would think that I would go for the townhouse, and it is a beautiful townhouse. However, when you see. the exterior shots, it appears to be like on an avenue. I don't know whether that's Madison or Lex, but it looks a little busy. Yeah. The office. That's what I was going to say. Catherine Parker's office with that

with the view. I mean, the full harbor, like she has a corner so she gets both Governor's Island and the Statue of Liberty. I don't know how a 30-year-old transferring down from Boston is getting that office. Family money. Yeah. Well, still, it's really, it's quite something. I knew that

was going to be the answer. Yeah, of course. It's incredible. Amanda's still up because you have a flex category. Okay. Oh, right. So I know what I'm going to do. It is, I just have to read the full thing. It is the Vincent Chase Award for Are We Sure This Character was actually good at his job?

Which goes to literally every single person in this movie besides Tess. What are we doing here? Okay. Jack Traynor has not had an idea in 10 years. He desperately needs it, but he's also not going to take the meeting at the work thing. he just wants to go drink with someone else instead. Then all he has to do is call someone in Memphis and be like,

hey, come to... He takes a flight. He goes down, he glanthansa. Sure, that's true. But here's what I'm saying. That's like half a day's work. Meanwhile, Catherine gets promoted or transfer down from Boston

immediately goes on a ski vacation, you know? Also is not bringing any ideas to the table as far as I can tell. everyone else, all of the trask subordinates, they're just like, he's not going to do that

and then they get a phone call. That's such a good scene. Like, no one has ideas. No one's doing anything besides like checking their schedule. Nor is trying to do things, but her printer's not working. Yeah.

And also her party ideas are bad. They are bad. So I just, I mean, I guess mergers and acquisitions, I'm not sure if they're good at their jobs. Arbitrage isn't doing well either. No, no. Certainly not.

Yeah, that's a good point on Jack. Yeah. I expected more from Harvard class of 1970. I don't know. Jack should have asked one question. Sure. I mean, that ruins the problem is the movie. But like, one person is like, hey, has anyone heard of Tess?

Yeah. McGill, have you worked with her before? Should I work with her? I'd like, should the fact that I'm sort of in a relationship with her colleague have, you know, any impact on what's going on here? Maybe I should mention it. Wouldn't Jack be like, Tess, where'd you go to college? Where'd you go to business school? Where you from?

School of Hodnox. School of Life. And that's a good one, Amanda. Thank you. I have the, I don't know if I put this in the rundown for you all, but the Tom Cruz, which end do I light award for terrible on-screen smoking? Mm-hmm. Goes to Sigourney in the office.

Doesn't actually put the cigarette in her mouth. Does the classic, the character is supposed to be smoking? Right. Does one of these. But when you see, like, there's no, doesn't touch your lips. It's almost like she was so bad at it that they tried to cut it out. out, but they didn't have anything else for that one scene because she only is smoking in that one scene and they barely show it.

It might also be a character decision where they're like she, she would not be a smart but it seems like she's just not good at it. That's okay. She's good at other things. The Butch's Girlfriend Award for Weeklink of the film. What do you have? I don't think there is one. What do you have?

I mean, Doreen. Doreen Dermucci just having sex without Baldwin and then showing up at the... The reaction, I don't know if, like, you're supposed to be looking at her face and emotional reaction in that moment. No, no, no, no, once they catch her in the bedroom. But, like, her fake crying as she is astride, Alec Baldwin. Yeah. It's not believable. Okay.

That's a really good candidate. Thank you. Don't get mad until I finish what I say here. Okay. Uh-oh. It's not too late. It's not too late to not do it. No, don't get mad.

Is this the one where you were gleefully saying earlier you are excited to piss us off about? No. This is an absolutely absurd premise for a movie. It's absurd. So is diehard. Yeah. I said you got to let me finish. Uh-huh.

And they pulled it off and it works. Yeah. It is a nine, I have it as a 9.6 out of 10 on the no-fifference. way scale that Tess is able, her boss goes away, and she's just able to pull off like basically a merger with Trask and she doesn't have an office and she's just in her office and nobody else in the, I mean, if you actually like really look at this, it's absurd. Oh, wow. It's a set move.

Swayzy. Disagreys. Do we want to get that? No, we'll fix it later. I'm on a heater. Okay. Look, most movies are absurd. Pretty woman's absurd.

Most movies that we love are absurd. I just want to point out that this movie fundamentally is absolutely absurd that she pulls this off and then they're like... Swayze is furious. This is what your take did to the studio. My take Swayze. I think we leave that. I don't change it. Anyway.

I agree with you. It's absurd. What is it? It aligns with my point that were anyone good at their job, then maybe they would notice what's going on here, you know? First of all, she's fired. She's fired immediately. They're like, wait, you're a secretary and you just arranged this merger,

and then we caught you, like, pack your bags. How does nobody in the office leak it? Right. Everybody is seeing her pretend for two weeks. No one's telling anybody. But the movie's so good, you actually just buy into it. It's like, but pretty woman's the same way where you're like, Yeah, I think this would happen.

He would fall in love with this hooker on Hollywood Boulevard. If the premise for a movie is absurd, if the human emotion works. Right. Okay. What's age the worst? I have a lot. Okay. This is a good one.

You'd still be able to do your job in 2025 with a broken leg. Yeah. Oh, remote work. Right. Remote work is like, she's fine. Remote work ruins this movie. LinkedIn and remote work. She's texting.

I think she could be making phone calls and having ideas. But she's like a hard-turning a doctor. Also, why can't you fly home with a broken leg? Yeah, that's. Because she's boning a doctor. Yeah. You got to be thankful for our medical innovations, Craig. Okay.

Yeah. Sure. I have, uh, 1980. You couldn't fly out of the broken leg. It was hard, okay? I have just about everyone's hair except Terrace and Ford. Yeah, absolutely. Nine out of ten hairdos and even Dukovni.

How women were treated in the workplace has not aged well. Someone reading Motor Trend magazine in bed. I'm positive that doesn't happen anymore. It was the Lamborghini edition in Motor Trend magazine. Yeah. Sad shots of the Staten Island Ferry. Hasn't aged well? No, just, I don't know.

Ferry's like just... I had a colleague who, like an editor, at Vanity Fair, and he used to say he took the Staten Island Ferry in and he would talk about how he could, like, hear Carly Simon playing in his head when the fairy would come in. Alec Baldwin, whatever look he has at this point in his career. So, is he

handsome in 1988? What's your relationship with them? Because to me, he looks like he'd be playing on the Pittsburgh Penguins. He does, but it's like a styling. He looks like a hockey player. Well, it's like it's a styling issue. The hair and the way that the amount of chest hair that is being like shown to us.

But in that, the wedding scene, like, where he's in the tops... You're going handsome. I mean, you see his face. When he's clean-shaven, I'm like, this is a very handsome man. Because he looks like all three of his brothers at the same time. And then he grew out of it and started to look like Alk Baldwin. I think he's greaseball handsome. Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Where do you stand on tests not wiping the hot dog crumb off of Jack's mouth? Because it drives me crazy when I watch this movie. I think it's Siziki. Oh, yeah. It's. Like whatever the white.

I like it. It's a nice touch. Yeah, I like that it's there. Yeah. But that she doesn't fix it. They're not ready for that yet. They're not there, you know? She can't let her guard down yet.

What do you make of Jack not washing his hands after he uses the restroom and then he does like one of these with his finger in his mouth? Didn't like that at all. Didn't like that at all. Any would stage the worst other than everything we covered? You know, Joe alluded to some of this. But sleeping together before you close the deal, it's like just, you know, girl boss-wise. that's not what we would be doing anymore.

You got to wait. But a kiss so good, you drop your briefcase. That's fine. Is it fine? I don't know. They're consenting adults. I don't hate that. It's also a little bit like, I always feel this way when like Travis Kelsey is reported

to have like stayed at Taylor Swift's house the night before like a game. I'm like, you guys have a big meeting the next day. Like eyes on the ball. You know what I'm saying? She's just has high standards. I see it. The other thing I have is just like the constant. of like of hard copies, of making records of things, like whether the dictaphone or the day planner.

Yeah. Like great movie, you know, plot devices, but just really comes down to bite everyone in the ass. And if you're just doing this all on your phone where no one else has access. Catherine never knows. Yeah, you don't do the cloud. Yeah. Yeah, it's true. Never do the cloud.

Yeah. I really think he could have just left her dress on. That's all I'm saying. He carried her up the stairs and that's great. But he had no need to take her dress off. I think it's fair. Yeah. I think we've solved it.

Yeah. The Ruffalo Hannah Rubenock Perchage overacting word clearly Kevin Spacey. Kevin Spacey. I mean, he just. It's an arbitrage. All time dial-up. What do you have for a flex, Joanna? Okay.

I contemplated the Jamie Lee Curtis Unnecessary to Newty Award for the topless vacuuming. But it's such like... That was mine. Yeah. It's, okay. I mean, it's... And apparently it was Melanie Griffith's idea. Oh, I was going to ask about it.

About that? Yeah. Apparently, she was like, this is what I would do. And my dickens was like, okay. Just right out of the bender. She had to be. Melinda Griffith was lit. Yeah.

She's just like, I wouldn't put a shirt on. He's like, sounds great. I mean, you do get overheated. You know? She's in heels. She's in heel. Yeah. Why is she healed?

No reason. Well, that's just to feel glamorous. Yeah. Sometimes you need it. But I am going to get actually, my actual word is the, okay, motherfucker, exact moment when the movie goes up a notch. And it's at 36 minutes and four seconds. and four seconds when Harrison Ford

aims his lopsided smile at Mellie Griffith's legs and enters the story. That's it. 36 minutes, four seconds in. Nice, tight, close up. Yeah, he looks great. And he just gives the little lopsided Harrison Ford and we're off to the races.

I like it. The CR thinks Luke Wilson could have been Harrison Ford hottest take award. Amanda gave hers, what do you have? I had this shit of won Best Picture Ever Raymond. Yeah, agree. Yeah. Not even sure that's a hot take.

Great. That's my tepid take. No, I think you're right. I really worked on this one. I think I've done this before. I'm just getting my posture ready. The Pointer Sisters, I'm so excited. It's secretly the most important pop culture song of all time.

Okay. It's in National Lampoon's Vacation in a pivotal Christy Brinkley scene. It's in Beverly Hills Cop. We covered this in the Miami Vice Calderon's Revenge episode. The only TV show we've ever done the rewatchable is, NCR. It is an absolutely crucial point in this Miami Vice episode. That's one of the most important episodes of the 80s. It's in the second best. The NBA had these, it's fantastic commercials that they ran that really made the league more likable. And the best one ever was one-on-one with all

notes where they would just show all these slow motion. The second best one ever was I'm so excited with Pointer Sisters. It was also the 80s? 80s. Yeah. So my question is, is that most Working girl, 80s. Are you going to build a bridge to our generation? Yeah. Most important song of all time or of that decade. I said pop culture. Yeah.

For the 20th century. Yeah. I'll go there because it's hottest take. Yeah. Because you have working girl important. Yeah. And everything culminates in the saved by the bell. Thank you.

Okay. Yes. Of course. This is a 10-year run. She's so scared. It's 10 years. It's 10 years of this goes into major movies, major TV shows, and the NBA. And I'm the same song.

And I'm Ann Elizabeth. Six times. It's a great take. Thank you. Yeah, I love it. Really good. Casting what ifs? Okay.

At one point, this movie was supposed to be directed by Jim Bridges starring Demi Moore. Absolutely not. Demi Moore, if she's Jules and St. Almost Fire, like, I'm not saying better than Melanie Griffith. I'm just saying I'm not not giving it a chance. Raspi. Kind of looks like she's been out the night before.

Little puffy face from... I can see it. I could see it. But that version was... Amanda's horrible. A very different movie, I think. I mean, it's hard for me to imagine anyone, but Melanie Griffith. But also, De Me Moore, I've realized it's sort of like the generational divide for me.

Like, I've seen all the movies. They were handed down to me, but I was not conscious when she was like, Demi Moore, like the big star. It would be Jules from San Amos Fire at Dime Moore. And so I was learning about it all after the fact. And I would say like her biggest celebrity moment to me is still the Vanity Fair cover where she's very pregnant. So you're later and. Yeah, so I just, I don't always, like, get it. So the thing, the reason I think it would have worked is because 80s, Demi Moore,

who was battling a lot of the same stuff, Noah Griffith was, I think bring some baggage into it. Would you also have a scene where she's alone in a room with just a fan on her as she is in St. Almost Fire? With all the windows over? Yeah. Yeah. I would.

Yeah. Okay. Molly Ringwald, apparently, addition, was deemed too young. I mean, they auditioned everybody, including, uh, they thought about Michelle Pfeiffer and Madonna. Scott Rudin was running Fox, which I don't think I knew. and was really pushing for Shelly Long, who was red hot on shares. They squashed that.

Lorraine Braco wrote in her memoir that she thought she nailed the edition and didn't get it. That was mildly interesting. Yeah. I would love Lorraine Brocko in this movie. She does. Someone to watch over me right around the same time.

Nichols finally said, fuck it. I'm dropping out if we don't hire Melanie Griffith, so they do the casting credits thing. Then there's this whole weird Lawrence Castan wanted to he was testing that accidental

tourist part yeah Gina Davis and Melanie Griffith are both for the part and Scott Rudin says

if she tests for another movie she's out for working girl and this executive producer Carlisle tells Melanie Griffith

whoever plays Muriel and accidental tourists could win the Academy Award and whoever

does working girl will be a star this is in the oral history from 30 years later

And then she says, I want to be a star. It goes for a working girl. And then at the Academy Awards, for whatever reason, Melinda Griffith hands the Oscar to Gina Davis. She's the one presenting it. For the other parts she didn't go for it. And I would just say that Gina Davis was both an Oscar winner and a star. So that wasn't the top tier advice.

You're talking to somebody who bought Gina Davis stock as early as it could go. She was just buried in Fletch. We argued about this on Fletch, the maddest CR has ever been on a movie watchable that Gina Davis should have been the lead in Fletch, not Dana Will or Nicholson, and CR got really mad. Yeah.

Yeah, anyway. Can I just add a few more casting what-ifs? Yeah, because I couldn't tell how much was 100% true, but go. I sort of cross-checked that THR thing that you pulled from and also the Nichols biography. Would be Goldberg was someone they were considering because like Nichols did her like stand-up. show, Goldie Hawn.

Too old. Was she too old at that point? Yeah, she's too old. Yeah, she's too old at that point. Okay. She did Private Benjamin in 1980. No, I know. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah, she's like in her 40s at that point. Meg Ryan. Meg Ryan, maybe. I don't know if she could have pulled off the accent and the baggage part. And not the sex appeal in the same way. This movie has a lot of sex in it for a romantic comedy. Share.

No. Yeah. Thanks for coming. You're not a Moonstruck person? You don't like Moonstruck? Just share. Oh, okay. All right.

Okay. Wow. Not for this. Not you. No, I agree with you. She brings too much share. I, she's still like,

she's like one of the most famous people of the 70s. I don't think. I love Moonstruck. I love Moonstruck as well. Incredibly important. Yeah. But the part of you guys. So,

when I was like five. Cher was like incredibly famous in the 80s. Yeah. No, I agree with you. I agree with you. I, completely agree with you for this role.

I was a big Sunny and Cher guy. I thought that that was a reaction to Moonstruck, and I was a little concerned. No, Moonstruck's good. Wonderful. Yeah. Okay. I just wouldn't buy her as tests. Agree. Best that guy.

Oliver Platt counts, according to Craig's rule, that just because we call him Oliver Platt, that doesn't mean anyone under 35 knows who Alver Pett is. Okay. But that's not the winner of this. It's either the bad guy from Beverly Hills Cop 3, who's one of the two people, Trask. Right. Yeah.

Right, right. I don't even know what that guy's name is, but I'm like, hey, it's the bad guy for a real guy. Or that guy who worked for the evil law firm in Philadelphia and had second thoughts about maybe ratting out Jason Robarts and then on the stand, it kind of kind of is on the Tom Hanks side. He's just in the movie. And I was like that guy.

That guy? So I almost feel like that makes him the winner because I don't even remember what a party played in this movie. Yeah. What about Caroline Aaron who plays Dr. Marsha Fieldstone in Sleepless in Seattle and is also the mom

and the marvelous Mrs. Maisel. Oh, that's a great one. It's a really, really good one. Yeah. Yeah. Deion Waiter is a word. Joan Cusack eligible.

Okay. I don't think she's in it that much. She's, let me ask you. For 12 minutes? I mean, Joan Cusack would be a classic Dionne Winters.

May I ask if Carly Simon is eligible? Not eligible. Okay. What about Olympia Dukukukes? I thought I was doing something. Eligible? She's great.

Yeah. Nor are done. Olympia DuCoccus is one zine. Spacey. Spacey. Robert Easton, who plays Armister, who is the guy in the deal with the, like, Colonel Sanders' beard and accent

has, like, one scene and he's like... Metro's owner. Yeah, Metro's owner. Yeah. I think the answer is probably Nora Dunn. She's very good. She's very threatening. Yeah. She was also really good at that specific kind of part. Recasting couch director of City. What's her name? Danucci. What's her... Dorian.

Dorian. Dermucci? Dumochie, yeah. Could we have gotten, could we have snuck like a young Marissa Tomey in that part? Or could we got like an actual famous actress? Mira, Torvino. Yeah. Mirratervino.

Somebody. I accept. Like, wow, that she played. Doreen Damucci? Yeah. Yeah. Half that's in her research. We did a lot of these.

But my favorites, Melanie Griffith, the real in the 2017 interview that she repeatedly made passes at Alck Baldwin. Yeah. He said no thanks and hurt her feelings. But I think he thought she was a little hot mess express. And he's also like, I know Dawn's just waiting in the wings to remarry you. Yeah, no question. There's a Bob's Burgers episode about this and Die Hard that's apparently a famous Bob Burger's episode. My kids used to love that.

You mentioned the Mike Nichols thing. And then the lobby of seven world trade centers in this, too. So it's multiple times. Can I read you an excerpt from the New York Times, 1989, written by Marine Dowd? Oh boy. George Bush ended his first week as president by having some friends over to the family quarters of the White House on Friday night for beef pie, whatever that is, and a screening of the movie Working Girl. He warned his guests a mix of prominent Democrats and Republicans that he had heard that the film about a Wall Street Cinderella had some, quote, dirty parts so they had better watch out. Meat pie.

Beef pie with George H.W. Bush, his first week as president, he said, let's watch. Working Girl. Some beef pie and working girl. Hearing George H.W. Bush say the words dirty parts out loud is not. Also beef pie. I would like really, really unhappy.

Jesus. Yeah. Wow. Apex Mountain. I'm going to say yes for Melanie Griffith. I agree. It really goes. Carly Simon.

It goes down very downhill very quickly from here. And like I didn't really remember. So you don't love milk money? The 90s were. She's really good. 90s are bad. 90s are bad for it. Yeah. Yeah.

I really like Pacific Heights. I mean, me too, but, you know. Harrison Ford, no. No. I think there's a So Gordon-Weaver case. She's nominated in two categories at the same time. It's two years after aliens. It just feels like she never had more juice than she did in 1988.

It's a big, she's about to be Ghostbusters, too. She's probably the most bankable actress in Hollywood at that point. Yeah, I would say it has to be. Yeah, right before. It has to be like... It's somewhere in there. Somewhere from aliens to hear. It's near.

Yeah. It's near. It's in the range. Female struggling in the workplace movies? No, those are evergreen. Yeah. We're just all doing our best every day, Bill. This isn't the best one? It's one of my favorites.

I mean, like, it broadcast news. Devils or attraction. Broadcast news is a good one. Yeah. And they're all in the same area. You know what? The answer is Devil Wars Prada. It is.

That's the best movie of all time. Can you believe they're making a sequel? I'm beside myself with joy. Oh, I thought you were just saying beside myself with anger. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't care. It's like, fine. All the nerds have gotten us, no offense, have gotten all of their movies forever. Like, give me all of it.

Do you want like nine Devil Wars products? I would watch a TV show. I would read the novels. I've read the original, but. Are they getting Tucci? Yeah. Are they getting blunt? Yeah.

I don't know about Blunt, but I think so. Okay. Yeah. I mean, Hathaway looks incredible. these days. She does. She got a brand new thing. It looks great. Great job by her. My daughter... I think they're just new eyebrows. It's the whole... Yeah.

My kids who don't consume my content at all and actively disparage me at all times. My daughter does like the rewatchables and listens to it and she thinks the devil wears Prada one is one of the best podcasts ever reported. Zoe, thank you so much. I do think that... Amanda was on that

podcast. That was my... It was me Juliet and Bill. I love it. It was one of the first rewatchables where we were like this is probably where the show is going. I was freaking out a little. I do think it was my professional peak, but like, and this is pretty close, you know, in terms of things I've worked hard for my whole life. We did that.

It was in the first year. I'm looking up. Yeah, it was in your, it was in the office on the couches. Yeah, we did that for, I'm going to say within the first. I hope it's okay for me to say that Amanda said that, oh, no, we did that later. This is more important than, this is more important than giving birth to your children this podcast episode. Well, it's more fun. Yeah, more enjoyable.

Yeah. We said more enjoyable. Mike Nichols, Apex Mountain, no. No. No. Graduate? Yeah, I think so. He wins the Oscar.

I mean, he made the graduate. Yeah, it's pretty good. Finding movies of the 60s. Carly Simon, I'm going to say no. You don't think so? I don't know. You're so vain is the whole thing. She was killing it in the 70s.

Your Sovain was like probably one of the biggest single songs of the 70s from a female artist, right? and also led to 50 years of who was she talking about in the same dialogue. Yeah. The Staten Island Ferry? I had that. That was mine. It is totally the Apex Mountain. It has to be, right?

It never got better for the ferry. All right. My son is really into transportation. So I was like, how will I show him Staten Island Ferry? Just pulled up, let the river run. Watched it wrapped. Colin Jost and Pete Davidson bought it apparently. Yeah, but they don't know what to do with it.

Yeah. That's not Apex Man. Devastity. Masses? Just being used repeatedly as a disparaging term? Sure. Memorable. And sleesoid, yeah.

All right, that's probably good. What about 80's hair? 80s hair in a movie. It's probably... In like a non-jured, because I do think some of the... There's music videos, I think that do it better. Yeah, like White Snake music videos and like Mad Max, stuff like that. But in terms of like a less extreme version, I think you might have something there.

You know, like, this is just supposed to look normal. In a music video, you're going to something extreme. I think to think about it more. I feel like there's some 85-range high school movies that are probably 86 range. But it kind of has become the shorthand for it. Like, maybe Apex Mountain for shoulder pads. Also, QSach's eye makeup. Yeah.

You can't overstate how much these people look like aliens. Like every 15 minutes, Liz and I were like, man, the hair. But the clothes are back. Yeah. Yeah, totally. And, like, Working Girl is the reference and all the copy of, like, get, you know, get your inner, you know. whatever on with this suit. Unleash your inner test. Craig, you have a flex category.

I was going to do the vacuuming naked. I kind of, I'll do like a pseudo hot take. I think Jack, is it Jack Trainor? Yeah. I think he's a little creepy in the beginning of this film and I know that everyone's in on it and I like Harrison Ford. I like the character eventually. I feel like they were still figuring

it out. The first scene, it's like cheating on his girlfriend. I guess he wanted to get out, but like the back-to-back double shot of tequila. Yeah. Doesn't say his name. Doesn't say his name. Takes her home, takes the dress off.

And then the next day is like dinner and a movie. I'm like, this guy's coming on a little hot. You forgot about, he did buy her a briefcase though. Also weird. Yeah. Super weird. A gift the next morning is like huge red flag. As always, the timelines are an issue here because they say I love you within four days.

Yeah, I love you is the span of like five days. I had that in picket nits. That bell bomb is coming out of. For sure. But like, you're pretty a second. It's like Amanda and Zach knew right away. Yeah, that's true. He is a pretty sleazy.

He's supposed to be a sleazy Wall Street guy. But he starts as sleazy and then by halfway into the movie, he's like dopey. I think that like, it's called character-shaping, you know? I really think that if he had kept her dress on, I am jealous. I can defend almost all of it. I'm with Bill's mom on this. Not saying your name is weird. Are you Jack?

No, I don't know who Jack is. He like whispers the double shot to the bartender. Yeah, that part is a little weird. Oh, not great. Yeah. Then again, he didn't know about the milligrams. Yeah. Yeah, that is.

He did whisper double shut. Yeah. This man was a menace. Sex pest, Jack Traynor. Cruz or Hanks? Okay. It's Hanks. It is Hanks.

It has to be Hanks. Yeah. The height thing that you mentioned earlier, but Cruz is just too powerful. Who's ahead at this point? and Craig. Hanks. Hanks is that. I like three or four. Scorsesey or Spielberg? Marty.

Yeah. Really? I had Spielberg. Okay. Wall Street? Yeah. I mean, we did it with Wolf of Wall Street. It's a different movie. It's way more of the last shot of the film. Yeah.

I would watch parties. It would be great. It would be wonderful. What role would Philip Seymour Hoff than have played probably Spacey? Oh, I was going to say Oliver Platt. Oh, yeah, yeah, good call. This is his scent of a woman. Yeah.

vibe. Picking nits that we haven't done yet. Okay. Tess wears all white to the wedding. That's just rude. You know. Even I know that. I just trying to blend in, man. You know?

I mean, how does she know what the dress code is also? Because she's wearing like sort of a business suit. Well, it's more like a daytime tiki wedding. A mother of the bride type suit. She's wearing something that Jack conceivably thinks they could just be going to a lunch for and they're going to... Right. No, I did notice, I think he's wearing black tie. He's not wearing a tuxedo, but the tie is a very dark color, which would suggest that even though he thought he was going to a three o'clock lunch, he was also wearing black tie, which is confusing.

I have, why didn't anyone wonder why Tess was in her boss's office so much as number one? I can buy two days in. It's like, what's going on with Tess. Here's what I can buy. I can buy the boss is not like paying enough attention to. notice and I can buy the secretary's covering for her. But why is the door always closed? Right.

She's watering the plants. No, it's, it's, yeah. People are talking by Wednesday. Um, what kind of broken leg did Sigourney have where she's good in three weeks? I mean, she's bed, goes from bedridden to just like, like, she just has a cane, hobbing around. I don't know. You're the, you're the sports expert.

I, it's one or the other. It's like, if you're bedridden for three weeks, you're coming out of there and you have, like, one of those huge brace like a walking thing. Did they have those brace things yet? In the 80s? Again, our medical, our scientific achievements.

Were we just killing people when they broke their legs at that point? She had the really giant plaster. But I don't remember, you know, when like kids breaking their arms or legs, I don't remember like the flexicasts. No. Yeah.

It went from a broken leg to a torn MCL. Yeah, yeah. The way they're treating it. She just had the cane at the end. Yeah. She was like, Jack shows up to her apartment when Melanie Griffith is hiding in the closet

and he's like trying not to get like drawn into her and he's just like, oh, you're cast and like knocks on it. He's like, whoa! Look at that. He's so good. Sure is broken. Yeah. I think Catherine would just be suing everybody right away at the end of this movie. I mean,

we don't know if she gets fired even. Well, Orrin Trest says that he's going to make sure she gets fired. Which once again... Why am I getting fired? My secretary pretended to beat me for four months. What did I do Well, maybe in the 80s he could get her fired, but I do think she was legal state was taking credit for my assistant's idea. I mean, she's going to get her bony ass out of his site, but I don't think you know that he can get her fired. My impression of mergers and acquisitions in the 80s is not that you could just transfer down from Boston and immediately go on vacation.

Yeah. So, and listen, I believe in vacation and work life balance and all that, but like she's just very absent. So I don't, do they want her? How long was Tess working for her before she went on vacation? Like two days? Is that true? Enough to get the dim sum party. Yeah.

I feel like it might have been a couple weeks. But yeah. Oh, okay. Maybe 10 days. Yeah. She might have been like a couple weeks on the job and she's like, I already had this ski vacation plan. I guess. Do you not think it's weird that she was expecting, Catherine was expecting to be proposed to on this trip?

Yes. Her boyfriend bails. Yes. And she just still goes. It is skiing alone. No, that's a... It feels like it's going to be the first of three or four marriages for her. I also feel like she has sex with her doctor.

Yeah, they do suggest that. You wouldn't reschedule the trip with your fiancé to Germany? You would go on it? Yeah. I guess it makes it seem like... Now it's on defense. Yeah, no, it's true. Listen.

Made it scarily now. She's like, wait, guys. But like, she knew so many people there. Like, it's not like she was going to go and be alone. She knew, like, the guy who ran the hotel. And then her hotel room was just, like, the biggest party room you've ever seen? It just feels like if Amanda was like, I think Zach and I are going to get engaged in Germany. And then Zach's like, I can't go.

I have work. I don't think she's getting on the plane and spending the money for that vacation. If I had the money, maybe. I think Catherine Park has so much money that it doesn't matter. My biggest nitpick we mentioned earlier. And I don't think we hit it hard enough. Yeah. I don't understand the, Alec Baldwin, having sex with Dominic Danube.

Che, whatever her name was. Doreen. What's the respect on Doreen's name? I just don't understand the scene. You don't think you would cheat on test? No class? No class. Life was different in the 80s.

I'm not here to judge. Things happen. Maybe adultery was a little more common. I don't understand. You don't think a guy reading Motor Trend who gets his girlfriend's trashy lingerie on her birthday is fucking around on her? It's like he doesn't think she's coming home. He's doing in his bed.

Yeah. class. She walks in. It's just, and then he thinks it's going to be fine three days later and he's still like, let's get married. He just thinks it's going to be fine. I just have some issues. I just tell if that was my wife walking in 10 years later, that's it. Like, she's moving out. It's not even a question of. The issue is at the party when he is, you know, it's like, are we still, is there still something here? Yeah. And then he proposes in front of everyone, which like, But it's four days after the adult agree. That's insane.

And then she doesn't just lie. Just lie. You know, I mean, that doesn't make for a good movie. I liked maybe. I think maybe is fair enough. It's a good movie scene. And then he's mad. He's like, you embarrassed me back there.

It's like, you motherfucker. You were just getting rid in our bed by Dominique did. I genuinely believe that those are the gender politics of that, like, culture in that time. Yeah, you're right. Wouldn't the whole friend group know that he cheated on her? And they're all like, say yes. This would be a bigger new. Right.

But they're like, no, I don't, I disagree. I mean, even when Joan Usai... If Denise is there? Joan Kuzai brings her stuff to the office and she's like throwing a bone. Yeah. This isn't like you. So this is just the 80s. I think it's a cultural thing.

It's just sort of like, guys. Guys, guys. Guys will be guys. Boys being boys. The best scene, the sneaky best scene in the movie is in that moment in the bar when they meet, when Melanie Griffith and Baldwin kind of meet for the first time. And they're just sitting at the corner of the bar. He's slamming scotch.

And he's like, I got the boat loan. And she's like, oh, my God. God, congrats. And then he brings up the boat again at the wedding. Yeah, Dorian's working the phone. His life is he headed with a boat loan? Yeah. Oh, good.

What does he do? Like, so is it like a boat tours? It's like what is, he's booked for three weeks. It's like the arbitrage of boats. Yeah. I'll never understand it. Honestly, they should have made him like high school hockey coach or something. Okay.

He should have been a high school coach. I don't think he should be anywhere near high school kids. Oh, that's fair. Baseball, whatever. I think he should be like a used car salesman. That's Nick's energy. sequel prequel prestige TV all black cast are untouchable

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just want to ask her who gets it well Carly 7 did get one so I really don't think you're putting enough respect on Joan Cusack in supporting $6,000 and it's not even

I do like the Madonna thing where she's like it's really good yeah doesn't make me Madonna. Like, I think this is what a supporting actress Oscars should be. Yeah. It's just like a really fun... She's not that type of part that normally wins a nomination. Not necessarily true. I just think that like, you know, your Miroservino's and your Marissa Tomase, you know, like...

Fair. It's true. I can see that in the movie enough, though. I don't know. I thought if you're going to take some of the spots that got taken, like, is Susan Saran and in Bull Durham? Like, like... That is true. That she's very good in that. What do you say for this? Melanie Griffin. Okay. I'm open to it. But I still think going closer

to one that year. Carly Simon's fine. It's a good one. Rom-com gospel I'm here for it. Probably in answerable questions. I have three. Do you guys have any? I have one.

Go ahead. What do the lyrics of Let the River Run mean? The New Jersey. Well, I mean, I understand what that means. But let me read it to you. Which river are we talking? Trying. Shaking.

It's the river. There for the taking, let the river run. We're coming to the edge run and out of water. Right. Your eyes are the color of blue that you've only never seen in the eyes of your lover or whatever. Okay, the sky is the color of blue. Okay, so they're like, they're going somewhere. They're building a city.

I think it ties back into your whole, like, immigrant. I mean, I think that's right. But I'm just saying it's not, like, the most evocative poetry that I have ever read. Is it a New York River or just a, just a River of Life? And the Hudson? It's an energetic river. It's the Hudson River. So the answer.

Yeah. I have an answer. Let the Hudson River run. There's just an incredible amount of cocaine going on in the 80s. And at some point, at 5 in the morning, these lyrics made a ton of sense. And they just kind of ran with it. Trembling, shaking. Oh, my heart is aching.

It's an accurate representation of what's happening. That's 5.30 in the morning. Yeah. What do you have, Joanna? Okay. It's not what did Jack ever see in Catherine Parker because it's the Gorney Weaver. But how did that ever progress beyond? just like we have sex a couple times into corporate

corporate arrangement well yeah i think it's sort of like social business climate it just reflects poorly on him yeah it underlines craig's point that maybe jack trainer is not he's the best guy we've ever met he's a sleesoid too until he's not you know it's like if sean was single and he just started dating like the CEO's daughter of letterbox it's like i don't trust Sean's intentions what's he up to marriage marriage is yeah yeah business contract By the way, I was going to make a big deal about starting a letterbox because I refuse to do it. Yeah. And start it.

And then all the movies would be completely fucking weird. Okay. Yeah, yeah. Like Cinemax movies from the 90s and just every choice would be weird. And people are like, what's going on with that guy? No movie would be good. That's a big idea. That's a good idea.

Why is this a what if? Why aren't you doing this already? I did start a ladder box profile. And then I don't use it because it's just like way too much homework. But my, it's not a picture of me. obviously, because, like, what are we doing? It is a picture of... Is that getting you a coffee?

No, it's Melanie Griffith in the red glasses from the working girl. I love that. Thank you, yeah. All right, here are my three-hand-answerful questions. I also have a letterbox I don't use. It's just like, I don't know, log. Listen, you know, I got a life. One of these is going to make you both bad.

Okay. Dim some dumplings at an office party. Mm-hmm. No. I mean, the steam... I think... No. It's not working with her hair.

You just can't. They're not past. They're not past. You need like a table. Yeah. You need to dip them. Now I have sauce. I'm dripping sauce in my shirt.

Right. Bad breath. I'm getting stuff tuck in my teeth. You know, the spoon and the dumplings with the sauce and then you do that. It's a flat no. And not a lot of people like dumplings. It's a bad choice.

What's your number one top tier party food? Yeah. Look, there's a lot. Passer d'oeuvre. I'm just saying dim some dumpling. You want pasta dourves to be hit, check the most boxes for people can. Fresh on some puff pastry. Is that what you're looking for?

Best one I ever had was coconut shrimp at my friend, Tim and Jen's wedding. Coconut shrimp's good. Not everyone needs shrimp. I mean, it's hard. You're never going to lay in the bag. Pigs in the blanket is always good. What about me. That was my one request of the wedding.

In and out of a wedding party. You have to hold the burger. Yeah. That's also so big. A slider is better. Went to a wedding recently with little mini lobster rolls like an inch big on pretzel rolls. I think you can do dumplings. just not hot piping freshly steamed ones.

Yeah. That are dripping. Craig, what are your thoughts? That's fair. I think you could do a pot sticker. Yeah. A small pot sticker.

Yeah. A pot sticker. Way more sense. Yeah. What's your favorite party order? Pigs in a blanket. Undefuted. It's true.

It's true. All guys, you're getting 50% of the room immediately. Yeah. Plus maybe 25% of the rest of the room. Yeah. So you're batting 75%. Pigs and are good for people who, like, are never going to eat a hot dog, but they kind of miss eating a hot dog.

They're like, oh, I can have a big and blanket. There's some split-up buffalo chicken finger stuff you could do with like the toothpicks. Yeah. Where it's like, you could dip it, not dip it. Maybe there's some blue cheese. You know, the Chick-fil-A party platter is the Amanda Dobbin signature. Yeah, you were there. You can come next year.

Everyone's invited, holiday party. Honestly, I was in awe. Thank you. Yeah. I was in awe. It was one of the smartest party things I've ever seen. Listen, and it's because when growing up in Atlanta, you go to a boring holiday, party.

Chick-fil-a-a-hater. Super easy to eat. They kept coming out. People were getting a little drunker and a little drunker, and then all of a sudden you just see like four guys, like, it checked all the boxes. It's undefeated. There's probably none left at the end of the night.

No. Yeah. All right. My second unanswerable question. Does Harrison Ford ever actually have sex in movies? Just presumed innocent. I couldn't think of even another movie where he had sex. It doesn't know.

It's like a lot of. Like kissing, but not... No, doesn't he have sex with... Well, I mean, he doesn't... Like, what are we just finding, does he actually have sex in a movie? You know, or sort of getting into... Not to Mallory this out, but...

Witness, it's a lot of, like, longing and lusting, but... So are you talking about, like, is he disroved in the bed? I think it was a very intentional choice from the moment who is Han Solo on... Yeah. To be like, I'm not... There's a line, like, I'm not going to be in fatal traction fucking glen close against the kitchen sake.

Oh, so basically like a bare butt situation. Presumed innocent. That's it. That's the only time where he really gets it on with somebody. Other than that, not really. He's shirtless. So you're just talking about, like, sex scenes. Yeah.

Like Michael Douglas. Well, sure. But Michael Douglas. But he'll, like, his balls will be flapping around. Like, Michael Douglas made his career on it, you know? Yeah. The first Michael Douglas movie I ever saw was American President, and then I went backwards. Can you imagine?

Oh, my Lord. I like, I still. Like, Harrison Ford's never going to be the cop and basic instinct. No, no. No. No. I think it was an intentional choice. All right.

This is probably the one that makes you mad. Okay. Probably in answerable questions is the category. Yeah. Are we sure Tess isn't the villain of this movie? You can play it that way. She steals her boss's boyfriend and job. Okay.

Rebuttal. And steals it just because her feelings of her. The boyfriend was going to leave her. Just because her feelings were her? No, she was stealing her idea and passing it off his phone. Yeah. She worked for her. But she's lying to her about it.

She's like, nice idea. Yeah. Okay. Just talking it out. Okay, Bill. This is good information. I'm talking it out. I'm talking it out.

I'm trying to fence of Courtney Weaver. Keep your good ideas close to you, Ben. The assistant works for her. The assistant is assisting her. Yeah. Has an idea. And she says, you know what? I'm going to tuck that one away, not tell anyone.

Go skiing, breaks her leg. And then this person takes her entire life. Right. Hard disagree. I understand that, like, if you're the boss. That's why it's unanswerable. If you're the boss and you're like, I like your idea, I will be leading this deal, that's fine, because you're the boss. You're not going to say, hey, Tess, you lead this deal.

It's your idea. She's the boss. She can lead it. But she doesn't, you don't lie to her and say, you know. The dictaphone where she's like hard copy from the home computer, do not go through tests. Let Tess know. And then like, fair counter. Yeah.

And it's no patronizing to her. And she's like, I really tried. Yeah. It's a Tui Street. And if you had seen this, you simply would have asked you. I mean, obviously, I've been in charge of some stuff. One of the best things you can do it is somebody works for you and they have a good idea, you then give them credit after the fact that they had the idea.

Yeah, yes. With that said, she did steal her job and her man in this movie. She didn't steal her job. No, she got a different job. Tess doesn't get the corner office. She stole the merger. She led that to get an entry-level job. Catherine has no mergers, no acquisitions, no ideas.

She has dim sum parties. She has dim sum parties. and weird perverts hitting on her. In Bill's defense. Yeah. I agree with... I agree with Joanne and Amanda. However, in Bill's defense,

Tess has been working for Catherine for like 48 hours. And like, sure, maybe Catherine wasn't the nicest. To just kind of immediately risk your entire career by kind of taking her job is pretty bold as an assistant. Yeah, and that's the point of the movie.

So when you Weaver tells her, don't wait for your opportunities to come to you. You have to go after and get them. And she says to Joan Kusack, like, I'm supposed to follow these rules that I didn't make up so that I can't, like, don't ever get what I want.

You rationalize it to yourself however you want. Karate Kid, when they made the cobra cry and they were like, we're flipping this. Johnny Lawrence, maybe he was the victim and maybe Danielson was a bad guy. For the Catherine Parker show. I think you flip it around. It's like Catherine's life is not ruined

from this assistant she had for 48 hours. She's got a limp. YouTube. She's still making original TV content. The thing about Devil Wears Prada is that it does sort of understand your point and that like the Anne Hathaway character Beating down over time.

Yeah, but like, and she has that moment in the car of like, you already did, you did it to Emily. I was doing it. We talked about this on the Bible. Anne Hathaway, ultimately bad person in the movie. Yes, exactly. That's true. But I, but the movie knows that and is written that way.

The Working Girl is not written. I'm glad you cut this out. Tess treated her new assistant at all remotely shabbily. Right. Then it's the devil wears protest thing where she's just like. Cool. So. Right.

And also, we have that last, the last shot, which is still, it's, she doesn't get Catherine's office. You're on the record. You support identity theft and man stealing. That's what we learned. It's not identity theft. She uses her own name, which is another thing that you could not do now. You can't steal a man. You stole her guy.

Isn't hers. No. No. They were dating. She didn't know that, though. Yeah. She was over it. Yeah.

Devil Worst Prada. She's a much worse person. Way worse. So annoying. So entitled. And poor Vince Vermatara, I said, Yo, I made you a grilled cheese. That guy sucks.

Hey. Just because she sucks doesn't mean he doesn't suck. Yarlsberg. Just because she sucks doesn't mean he doesn't suck because he does. He does. Yeah. I put some extra Yarlsberg in it. You lay in a little mustard.

What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie? The Sigourney Warhols. Oh, that's a good one. I want the dress. Like the dress that she wears the... It's not even leather. Yeah. I don't even think it would suit me.

I googled inflation. I think it would be $16,000 or so. Because it's $6,000 in the movie. The bunny? The bunny? What about the gorilla? The bunny she brings to the office? For a minute, I thought we were talking about fatal attraction again.

And I was like, no. The gorilla? Oh, that's a good one. Catherine's gorilla? I think the answer. The gorilla, like, right there in the corner, where Patrick's Swayze used to be, would be. Before he fell over. He hated this movie.

No, Swayze just hated your hot take. What about the too tall Harrison Ford Luehl wedding glasses with the straws? Movie used glasses. Those are good. Props. Just put those on your kitchen. Coach Finstock Award for Best Life Lesson. You don't get anywhere in this world by waiting for what you want to come to.

You make it happen. Yeah. Even if you have to steal identity in somebody's man. Check the milligrams. Check the milligrams for Valium. Double feature choice. Yeah. What do you have for Working Girl?

I have a triple feature. I think this Baby Boom and Broadcast News are like a very fun, you know. I have Baby Boom and Broadcast News, but also Morning Glory. Love Morning Glory. Oh, my gosh. Rachel McAdams, Working Girl. Right. Patrick Wilson.

Yeah, I know. It's incredible. And Harrison Ford. Harrison Ford. Yeah. In the sort of, yeah. You could talk being a working girl with Pretty Woman back to back. Good.

1988, 1990. Just so you can get mad at Gary Marshall. Sure. Yeah. Double Cinderella. And then you're watching Pretty Woman seeing all the things they took. There's also witness as just double hot Harrison Ford. Well, I think that there's a devil where it's Prada cases.

Absolutely. Yeah. Because this, that steals, but way, way more subtly from some stuff. But just it's 88, 2008, 2006, two different eras. If I were to pick from any of these great options, I think my number one would be Baby Boom because it's not as seen. And if you could get people in the door for a Working Girl and say, stay tuned to watch Diane Keaton start a baby food empire, then... And Sam Shepard? You're doing good at.

Sam Shepard and Baby Boom does not meet Harrison Ford in Working Girl, but like it's getting up there. He's just like in Vermont. Country veterinarian, right? Let me help you. It's terrible. Is he the all-time number one? Every woman loves some. I know, besides Harrison Ford, yes.

And they are like of a type. Yeah. Yeah, it's powerful. If Sam Shepard were still with us, he would be in a Taylor Sheridan show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's an all-timer. Yeah. Who won the movie?

Melanie Griffith. Yeah. I think it's Melanie Griffith. Roger Ebert, our guy wrote, this is Melanie and Griffith's movie in the same way the graduate belonged to Dustin Hoffman. She was not an obvious casting choice, but she's the right one. I agree with that. I agree.

All right. Amanda, how do you know? This is a delight. No, we got to get Craig's head. Oh, right. Craig, yeah. 38 years ago this movie came out, which means Craig was minus seven, minus six. 38, minus eight.

Minus eight. What do you got, Craig? This movie single-handedly saved Liz's relationship with the rewatchables. Oh, yeah, we were in a rough run. Death Wish did not go well. It was a dark time after Death Wish. This really pulled her out of the mud. When this movie ended, she was like best movie ever made, I believe was her exact quote.

Wow. Great. Better than country strong. I think a little better, a little better, although she loves Gwyneth. But this is a wonderful rom-com. I like, I like it because I feel like the rom-coms from back in the day are a little bit edgier. Yeah. There's just a little bit of unpredictability in these, a little bit of edge in these.

And even the rom-coms that have succeeded in the last, like, 10 or so years, or like, you know, like anyone but you, does this have a safeness to them, like a glossiness to them? And these have, no one's really bland. The characters are a little bit deeper. or, you know, like Harrison Ford's character being like a little bit questionable at times. I just like that the 80s and 90s kind of provide that in these rom-coms.

Agree. You know, I have a theory on this. Not to get out philosophical. There wasn't a lot going on in the 80s. You just kind of worked and then you went out and you watched television and listen to music and went to sporting events. What do you mean?

We didn't have, we had nothing. What do you now? We had no. You had MTV? We had no internet anything. You had the Cold War? Right. People were around each other all the

time. You don't have devices. Being people. You don't have the internet. Okay. Yeah, sure. Intensive. Interacting with other people was basically everything you had to do.

You couldn't go down your phone. You could just read a book. Or you could just actually go out where other people were. Yeah. So, well, we all loved reading books. But you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I do. Like, so movies were able to tap into that in a way that I think the last 10 years of movies

with social media. I think people have really. It all happens on your phone. I think they've found out. Even you see it in a lot, especially in the later movies, they're really good now at showing people texting on phones. Right. Somebody's somebody to the phone and you'll see the text and, or they'll put the text on the screen and the texting. And I just don't think it's as good as just people being together.

Oh, I agree. Yeah. And so anyone but you use a good example of that because that movie was really successful. And it was terrible. It was really bad. It's really bad. And guess what? My daughter watched it like seven times and loved it.

And I'm like, I just, if that. movie's winning over a movie like Working Girl, then that kind of tells us where we are. When do you think the last great rom-com was? So I am not really even on board as late as 2005-6. I agree. So crazy stupid love doesn't do it? No. No.

I'm sorry. And I have to tell you, like, I think we're getting Sarah Marshall is really important, and I appreciate. It's a comedy. It's a rom-com. Yeah. Yeah, but it's about, and it's about men. So Notting Hill is 99.

Yeah. Bridget Jones Diary is 2001. Yeah. You've got mail is 98, I want to say. Yeah. So if my wife was there, she would throw out a lot like Love in 2004. Okay. One of her favorite movies ever. I got on the Amanda Pete Beat.

I would say, yeah. Is that the one where they sing Chicago to each other in the car ride? Like, ooh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's powerful. That movie's elite. I've made this case in Joanna. Pre-2005.

Pre-2005. Yeah. Because I, like, I have re-watched how to lose a, I can't do it. I can't do it. I can't do it. Sorry to the next or whatever. But it has not aged as well as you would like.

Oh, yeah. Not for my daughter. She loves that. Yeah, no, I know. And that one, so that one in 27 dresses are, I think that, like, signal for a slightly later generation. Yeah. I just think they're older.

They're not. I agree with you. Delivering the way that, like, the 90s and the 80s. I think we kind of, the genre, I don't want to say. it died, it just shifted into this 2010's, this... It's not being as smart.

You've seen this movie Drinking Buddies. Yeah, yeah, yeah. On cable, but it was like those type of movies were... That's like Mumblecore, yeah. Yeah, like that Mumblecore era combined with like the brain dead anyone but you type movies. Right. We don't get the like Mike Nichols, Nora Ephron, like, this is smart.

Right. And a rom-com at the same time. You know what is also, it is a romantic comedy, but there is also the professional plot line as well. And it's as much about like... Is Tess going to get the life that she wants? And the last shot and the last scene is not about Harrison Ford. It's about her and her dream.

And she calls Joan Cusack. She doesn't call Harrison Ford. So you have a, this is a rom-com that has three, two of the best actors of the 80s with Melanie Griffith in their breakout spot. And then one of the most famous directors of this whole generation. Right. And now we do not have things like that. They used to respect romantic comedies now.

I don't know. I just feel like we've done. so many versions of the same idea that might be part of it too, where you would still feel like people falling in love would be timeless, but every time you watch them, they're so self-aware to the movies that have already happened before them, they almost are afraid to be original. But you can do iterations.

Like, I'm a big defender if you've got mail. I love that movie, and that's a remake. That's a story that had already been made like three other times before it was made for the AOL era. You know what I mean? Yeah, but that movie has two massive stars in it. Well, yeah, but you can, can remake story

premises again and again and again as long as you do it intelligently and have a good cat. The movie with Sudecas and Alice and Bree is good when they're friends for a long time and then... I forget that one. That was early 2010s. I thought that was good. But I feel like by the time Amy

and Paul Rudd made their rom-com making fun of all the rom-coms, that was when we were kind of like all good with the genre. Well, the other thing is that there aren't it's the movie star thing, right? because you just identified that it's, whether it's Julia Roberts, Tom Hanks, Meg Ryan,

like, Sandra Boeh. Those are people who are already movie stars in, and they're like early 30s, they're the late 20s. And we don't have movie stars like that anymore in the same way because of, but it's superheroes or whatever.

I keep hearing like, oh, the wrong comments back when set it up. Which I like that movie. It's good. Nobody wants this, which was a TV show. Set it up a good example.

That hit and was successful. But it was like a Netflix movie, and a Netflix movie doesn't feel as big as, do you know what I mean? And Glenn Powell was not a star in the way that, that was like early, 2018. That's the thing is they become like lovable streaming hits. Yeah, exactly.

Right. They're not like. Or TV shows. We're talking about Working Girl and Die Hard in the same conversation and you wouldn't put a rom-com in the same conversation as a big epic event movie anymore. The last duo we had was Gosling and Emma Stone. I will say,

Crazy stupid love that is just them, that's a good rom-com. Then there's a lot of other movies. You know, it's so different than sports, because in sports, sports is constantly new and the athletes can change. Right. And rom-coms are competing. It's the ghosts of the iconic rom-coms that are just better. Yes. Yeah.

And I don't know. You go back to... I just think that, like, in the 90s where there's a ton of great rom-coms, you could argue, oh, well, they're competing with a screwball comedies in the 1940s, which, where, you know, you can't be Catherine Hepper and you can't beat it. But they are.

They are equally great. So I feel like you can keep doing it. We just don't value it anymore. We just consider that small ball sort of thing. I think Craig's point about that they used to be edgier is an important point.

Yeah. Because even like about last night, which I don't think it's enough credit for 80s kind of paving the way for when Harry Metzowing some of these other ones. That's a pretty like...

There's a lot of sex. Right. Rob Lowe kind of goes nuts at one point. Yeah. I just think. that movie would be completely different. They remade it with Kevin Hart and Michael Ely. It's just like, all right. Yeah, right. But I do think it's a star power thing. Yeah, definitely part of it.

We never really replenished. We had this, you know, every time, like Sandra Bullock and Meg Ryan, and then it was like, Next Generation, here's Reese Witherspoon. And then Kate Hudson's going to make a bunch of. We always had people to put in those. And it was always a Matthew McConae. And now it's basically like Glenn Powell. Well, I think it felt like a necessary piece of the star playbook because you had to do your rom-com and i don't think that's like jennifer lawrence and emma stone would be wonderful in them if they could write if you know if someone committed like a script the money and the the release nobody wants to them but they don't want to do it that's not their strategy emistone is instead like winning multiple Oscars for for art house movies but people used to do both

which is cool yeah i would rather she did that than that nathan fielder show i would rather she she remade picture perfect Where you see that a picture perfect. That's another one where somebody's pretending. Yeah. It's, oh, I need a date for a wedding. So here's my fiancé. This guy I just hired.

Yeah. It's such a great era. Yeah. I think part of it is the rom-com premises were so crazy that I almost, they're too self-aware now. They don't stand up to it like any, like, ethics treatment. Right. So maybe, yeah, maybe we're too scared to be problematic.

Yeah, exactly. Okay. We should say that in a week, there is a rom-com coming out starring Dakota Johnson with Celine's song is directed. We saw it this week. And I would not call it a romantic comedy. They're trying to market it. They're mismarketing it.

Yeah. Oh my mind. It's in conversation. Yes. Like that's the part of it that I really liked. Yes. But yeah. Well, one of the most fun things about having a daughter was watching her hit all the

rom-com tears with my wife or sometimes by herself. But I just think there's a timelessness to them and it doesn't matter. Like, I'm positive my daughter with like Working Girl. Oh, yeah. she got past the hair. She would definitely like it. And it's also the way for her to learn about the 80s and the hair. True.

You know, it is because the format is recognizable. And the exercise bikes. Yeah. It's like that's how I first learned about Wimbledon was the 2004 film Wimbledon starring Kirsten Dunst and Paul Bettie. Yeah. And now here we are. Amanda, a true pleasure.

Joanna, a true pleasure. An honor. Thank you so much. Thanks for letting me witness this incredible moment in your career. It feels so great to be back. Producer Craig, always a pleasure. Who else do we have to think? Marcellino.

Thank you to him. I guess it's New York month because we've done two New York movies in a row. Might have to do two more. Only need two more for New York month. Sounds great. These were two good ones, so thank you both. Thank you.