The Rich Roll Podcast - 3 Questions

Episode Date: August 4, 2017

Excerpted from the first day of our recent Plantpower Ireland retreat, this special mid-week episode of the podcast is a dynamic Q&A session focused on the process of self-inquiry necessary to objectively asses your life — a condition precedent to birthing expression to an authentic, purpose-fueled path premised on the values you hold most dear. To place this conversation in proper context, the Q&A was preceded by a lengthy discussion (which I decided to not include so as not to overwhelm) on three fundamental questions specifically intended to help frame the assessment process: * Who am I? * If I had just 4 months to live, how would I spend that time? * What would I like to have contributed when life my life is complete? Journaling on the aforementioned is a powerful, highly recommended exercise for anyone seeking greater self-actualization. And this Q&A is an interactive discussion about the hows and whys that underpin these queries. Specific sub-topics include * the power of self-forgiveness * learning to love your faults * how to better align your actions with your values; and * the process of discovering and expressing your authentic voice I sincerely hope you enjoy the exchange. Peace + Plants, Rich

It's about these three questions with whatever we're doing in life which are what am i doing why am i doing it and is it in the highest divine alignment or alignment with my authentic blueprint who I am so a huge clue is what brings you joy if you can find that thing that gives you that feeling, spend time doing that. Make sure you spend time in that joy every day as often as you can because being in that frequency of joy will create a magnetic energy that will find you and you're going to find whatever it is in you that is your gift. And that joy creates more joy.

That's Julie Pyatt, and this is The Rich Roll Podcast. The Rich Roll Podcast. Hey everybody, how you guys doing? What's happening? My name is Rich Roll. I am your host. Welcome or welcome back to my podcast. Happy to be back in Los Angeles. I just returned last night from an incredible trip to Ireland, a couple of weeks spent there. It started off with our seven-day Plant Power Ireland retreat at Ballet Vallon House in County Cork, which was just, it was phenomenal. And that was followed by two evening events in Dublin with the Happy Pear guys in front of live audiences, which was really fun. Both of these

experiences were super meaningful for Julie and I, and the retreat in particular, very impactful, I think, for all who attended. And I'm just so grateful. Words really just can't express what a cool experience it was. And I really feel that we were able to deliver, to activate the attendees on the retreat, the campers, to hopefully inspire them and provide them with the tools to make some significant life changes with staying power. We recorded several of the retreat workshop sessions over the course of that retreat that week, as well as the Dublin events. And the idea is that we would excerpt and share some of them on this platform as midweek shows. And that's what today's episode is all about. I will explain and contextualize what is to come in this episode in a moment.

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objectively assess your life, to trigger the self-inquiry process, so to speak. And to do that, we assigned a little journaling homework, essentially asking the attendees to spend time over the course of the week pondering and answering, to the best of their abilities, three fundamental questions. And these questions are, one, who am I? Just a little question. And the purpose behind this question is essentially to get people thinking about and pondering what is truly unique about them. What is the story that you tell yourself about yourself? And what is the narrative that you would like to replace it with?

The second question is, if you had four months to live, how would that time be best spent? And the idea behind that is to get people focused on their values, what is truly important, and how that can be best expressed. And then thirdly, what would you like to have contributed to the world when your life is complete? In other words, what would your epitaph say in a best case scenario? And this is a really great and quite powerful exercise. I would highly recommend anyone, everyone undertaking it. It's an amazing way to get better clarity on so many things.

And so this Q&A is a loose and interactive discussion about the hows and the whys behind the exercise. It's a conversation about loving your faults and self-forgiveness. It's about aligning your actions with your values and your goals. In other words, what am I doing? Why am I doing this? And are my actions in an authentic alignment with who I am or who I would like to be? And also, among other things, it's about a process of discovering and bringing expression to what is truly most meaningful and authentic to you. A couple notes before we get into the episode. We recorded this live in a barn, which was kind of an indoor-outdoor setting, so the acoustics were not fantastic. At times, it can be a little bit tricky or challenging to hear what is being said. I'm aware of it. We did the best that we could with it, but it is what it is. Secondarily, I understand

and realize that perhaps not everything being offered and said in this conversation is going to resonate with everybody in the audience. And that's totally cool. As I always said, take what is meaningful or impactful for yourself, implement it into your life and discard the rest. That's what it's all about. All right. So with that said, let's just get into it. Let's go back to our first day in Ireland, which was last week with Julie and the campers. And let's get some answers.

All right. So does anybody have any questions about any of that? We thought we could use the rest of this session to just open it up to you guys. I think the idea behind this is to kind of integrate this. I don't want it to be, Julie and I don't want it to just be us presenting to you. We want it to be interactive. So to the extent that you have questions about this or any other subject, maybe we can just open it up and create a little bit of a roundtable.

It's so formal with these mics. But we're recording. We need to record, so it has to be. Hi, Jeff. Thank you for listening. Hi. When you were speaking about loving all your faults, I found that really good, but also it challenges me a bit.

And what I found more recently is that extremely liberating to take things and forgive them, but I don't necessarily resonate so much with loving it. Is there a difference energetically for you and that yeah beautifully i actually think i like your i like your word better i mean forgive it loving is forgiving right forgiving is moving forward so yeah forgive them forgive them that's beautiful thank you i like that it's a um i get what i was trying to express is is don't compartmentalize yourself and hide from them and understand.

I mean, just like I could say the same thing about a life trauma. I don't love that we went through a nine-year financial collapse, but I'm devoted to it. I pray to it. I bow to it. I love it. I'm grateful for it. I didn't need to forgive it, though. I mean, it

just, I knew it was necessary. So, but forgiveness is a beautiful word to bring into that, however resonates with everyone. Thank you. Julie, you were saying earlier about life being wonderful and a blessing

and I agree with that but I just wonder what you think about the Buddhist way of looking at things in that there's so much suffering and they want to sort of eventually reach a state where they don't come back and they're not reincarnated to end that suffering yeah I first of all all, I'm not a Buddhist, so I don't know. I know some of it, but I can just share. I guess as a young yogi, the Buddhists feel like they were kind of a little bit of a buzzkill for me. I would like the nirvana.

So it's kind of a choice, although I love a lot of the Buddhist teachings. It's a beautiful, beautiful practice and lineage. But I would say, yeah, I'm exactly saying that. What I'm sharing with you is because I am not interested in reincarnating in this system. I will not come back this again unless it is of my free will. So my life is devoted to complete freedom from forced reincarnation. And that is really the key of all these practices, of understanding that we are much more than a physical body. We are being forced to reincarnate in this.

There's like a fence, and we keep doing this cycling. And there's a multiverse of reality that's available to all of us. And so that's what my life is devoted to. And yeah, we don't need to do this karmic necessity any longer if we realize the divinity of what it really means to be a human being in its original form with all the

DNA acting, no junk DNA and so I share that Thank you Hi Julie I think I have a problem with, well I know I'm going to have a problem with, I can't read this

the number two if you only have have a problem with, I can't read this, the number two, if you only have four months to live. I've already been there. And that, having that mindset of like, I've only got this much time, kind of freaked me out. So my way of getting through it was to do two things at the same time live like today is the last day I'm going to be here and so try to get the most out of every day and then live like I'm going to be to live to 100 doing both at the same time so but I'm struggling with thinking about just four months because that puts me right back where my brain was in February when I was in absolute freak out mode. So can you maybe say something that might help me wrap my brain around this better? Yeah, well, thank you so much. And I

was thinking of you when I read your, your letter and I was thinking of these, of these questions, you've already gone through that experience in real time, right? So you, you know, the difference is that most of us haven't had that lens. So, of course, I would say that every single day you're on planet Earth, you should live your life the way you want to live it. So when I put my head down on the pillow, I know that it was my life I lived. I didn't live any life that anybody else told me to.

Because I'm very aware how fragile it is. At the same time, I cultivate an awareness that we are all eternal beings. There is no death. There's none. So in eternity, in some of the meditations that we're going to do we're going to drop into this emptiness of space but fullness so it's the emptiness and the fullness and so yes it's both of those things so i would just skip that you don't need to do that okay you can stay in the in the present moment you can be you know immersed in meditation you can stay in the present moment. You can be immersed in meditation.

You can do what frees you in that way. So I can work more clearly with you and also for sure make sure that we do some of those meditations that open into that expansive space. But it's just sort of another step of experience. And anybody else that has the same experience as Janie you know can shift up I was sitting here thinking the same thing as you you know describe that question and I take the same approach as Janie I think like sometimes it's it's more liberating to think

if you're going to live eternally what are those things you're going to do but I think really it comes down to each person and I guess what I what I assume the intent of the question is more constraining yourself down to what are those core things that are intrinsic to you? What are your values? And so you start to strip away a lifetime of, well, I want to be a mom and I want to be a a successful career and i want to do this and i want to do that and then i guess if you if you give yourself a finite amount of time then you start to say okay these things are nice to haves but these are my must-haves in life and what you know when i leave this life this is what i want to do so i mean i was kind of flipping it as well um but i struggle with the same thing you know, you think if you have a few weeks or whatever, well, I'm gonna whatever, quit my job. I'm gonna go on a bender, uh, just do all these

crazy things. But, um, that's kind of where I came back to is, you know, what are the core values for you and how do you want to live those? Yeah. I mean, I think that's, that's why the four months number seemed to make sense because if you just say well live it's like your last day well what are you going to do you're going to like go to the beach or something you know what I mean yeah like that I don't think that's as instructive as if you have a certain amount of time like a certain set short period of time it will focus it will focus your intention on what those core values are and are your actions in alignment with those. And I think, you know, getting back to this denial piece, we all sort of walk around thinking like,

well, I have this value set and like, I'm a good guy and like my actions line up with my values. And, you know, I would encourage everybody to kind of put that to the test. And the way to do that is to, if you actually journal, like how you spend your time like you know in 15 minute increments throughout the day over the period of a week or a month to really get clear and identify well do my actions line up with my values like first what are my values then here are my actions and where do they line up and where are they mismatched because I think we sort of overestimate the extent to which our actions align with our values. And if you say you only have a short period of time, you can say, well, look at all these things that I'm doing.

Like this has nothing to do with anything. And like actually these are all things that I'm doing because, you know, I feel responsibility to do them. Or because I'm a people pleaser. Or because, you know, this is the career that them or because I'm a people pleaser or because, you know, this is the career that my parents thought would be great for me. And, you know, to get clear on that, to really understand like, oh, these aren't choices I necessarily consciously made in my best interest. How can I now address these so that I can adjust my trajectory so that that alignment between values and actions becomes you know they become more parallel

Does that does that make sense Yeah, that's good, and it's really it's about these three questions with whatever we're doing in life Which are what am I doing? Why am I doing it and is it in the highest divine alignment or alignment with? My my authentic blueprint, who I am? So, yeah, what am I doing? What am I doing? Why am I doing it?

And is it in divine alignment or you could just say authentic alignment with who I am? You know, those might be based more basic to some of us than others. It depends on what stage of your life, what you've experienced in your life, where you're at. Um, but for some of us that are, you know, not sure why, why we're doing something. It'd be nice. What the fuck are you doing seriously yeah just to just to kind of go off of that my i think my issue is the authenticity piece so society and normalized values from them has so permeating to, I don't know if in my actions. So trying to determine whether something is authentic or, you know, if it's really aligned with who I am.

How do you do that effectively? That's the inside job part. You know, I think that's the assessment piece. effectively. That's the inside job part. You know, I think that's the assessment piece. That answer can only come to you clearly through the meditation and the yoga and the journaling and the alone time. And it's not necessarily like a lightning bolt that's going to hit you overnight. But I think, you know, fidelity to these kinds of practices are what are going to lead you to a place where you can have the ability to discern the difference between these two things because it's tough if you grew up in a certain social setting then there are certain expectations that get baked into you so what's

authentic to you and what is just something that you absorb through osmosis through your family or the you know your school school or what have you? And, you know, which choices are you really making in alignment with that, you know, authentic soul voice? And which choices are you making just because you're shouldering that expectation or that, you know, sort of social pressure and constraint? And it's hard. You know, there's a lot of gray area in there. It's not like a black or white thing But I think like I said earlier just the practice of asking yourself that

Repeatedly and consistently even throughout the day when you're making more benign, you know smaller decisions That will lead to that that clarity But ultimately that's what you're seeking, right? because when you can have that understanding, that will drive the decision tree about the knots that you need to undo and the new paths that you need to blaze for yourself going forward. Yeah, and I would add to that

is a huge clue is what brings you joy. So when I'm talking about the six-year-old child, there's a reason. It's like we all love something as a six-year-old child, there's a reason. It's like we all love something as a six-year-old, and we all got shut down. We all got wounded. You know, somebody said something, something happened, a life event happened, and you get disconnected from that child. So it's really what brings you joy, and that could be multiple things, but I think we find it in adult, as adults, when we engage in activities

and we're like a completely lost, like it's like time just expands and we get lost in that moment. And, you know, artists describe it. I experience it in yoga. I hope you guys experience it sometimes in yoga. You know, music, I experienced it. I served my entire menu to 70 people at my book launch. And I just know that I'm really dialed in with food because I work for two days and then serve 70 people and I'm not tired at all. Like, there's no fatigue. So, again, it doesn't have to be one thing but it's that thing and you

do have a thing because you're sitting here and you're breathing there is something magnificent and it sounds like it could be silly or ephemeral but you know the truth is like just reflecting back on my own personal experience like you know i know, I'm this corporate lawyer. This was not something that I found a tremendous amount of joy or satisfaction in, you know, in retrospect, very clearly I made these decisions based on social pressures, expectations, et cetera, until I reached a breaking point with that. And, you know, there's a lot that went into that. There's getting sober and there's changing my diet and all these behavioral changes that are ways of, you know, activating that authentic voice or, or kind of, you know, getting on a path towards

gaining greater clarity. But ultimately, you know, I reached a point where I was like, I don't want to do this anymore. I just want to like be out on a trail and like feel the sun on my shoulders. Like that joy, you that six-year-old childlike joy it wasn't anything more than that it doesn't make any logical sense there's no professional career aspiration that could be extrapolated from that experience and yet making that decision is really the only reason why like i'm sitting here right now, as crazy as that sounds. So these small things like these inquiries and these little decisions and these actions to try to reconnect with that innocent, joyful, young child that's been repressed and quashed by virtue of just the gestalt of growing older is the portal to getting back to that authentic voice that we're all

seeking to connect with. Yeah. And this is key in our journey, actually, because it was my connection to my devotion to spirituality, my connection to this knowledge that I knew. connection to this knowledge that I knew I could see that Rich was a lawyer and he hated it. And it was a, like a push pull message to the universe. It was like, I'm a lawyer. I hate you. I'm a lawyer. I hate you. So that was like, it never, he was never like a massively successful lawyer. He just wasn't, it wasn't, it wasn't feeding that way. And it was destroying him. He's a very sensitive being. He's, he's nothing, Nothing about law is like what rich is, except it did teach him a really amazing skill, which is writing. So he's a really beautiful writer. So there is a benefit to it. But overall, I could see that it was killing him. And when he had this

reconnection with what he loved as a boy, I knew that that's what I had to support him to do. And it made no sense whatsoever. I mean, we had no money. We got, you know, our cars repossessed, you know, insurance, couldn't pay our mortgage. I mean, it was crazy experience. And yet I knew that him serving his heart was the way through. That, and everyone in our community were, they were, they thought we were insane. They were judging us. It was very difficult, very, very difficult to walk that. I didn't know he was going to write a book and then I was going to create a cookbook and we were going to become, you know, wellness advocates. We're going to be sitting here. I had no knowledge. The only thing I knew is that this boy loved to train. He loved that feeling. And what I'll share with all of you is if you can find that thing that gives you that

feeling, spend time doing that. Make sure you spend time in that joy every day as often as you can, because being in that frequency of joy will create a magnetic energy that will find you. And, you know, are you going to become an ultra endurance athlete? Likely not, you know, but you're going to find whatever it is in you that is your gift. And that joy creates more joy. So what we would say in a Western mind is, in that situation, go send out 1,000 resumes and just take whatever work you can and just work.

Solve it that way. And for some reason, by the grace of God, we solved it another way and a much more authentic and embodied and beautiful way that changed our lives. Was that easy? No, that was not easy. And had I known that it was going to be that long, I might not have been so, you know, so strong in it but I knew it was the only way I have a question for Rich um I've I've helped a friend who did two 100k runs and each time I've been on them um I've thought to myself I would love to do that I think most people probably think they're nuts but I thought to myself I would love to do that I've

got a really good feeling inside about doing it and I've meditated on it as well and inside it felt really good about trying to do that but then I got I put together the training schedule see how many 20 mile runs I've got to do and all of a sudden it doesn't seem like a good idea. So is that seeing that training schedule, is that the sort of realization or is that just the head trying to get in the way and saying you don't really want to do that? Well, first of all, I would say that you probably already know the answer to that question deep down inside you. I think ultras have that tendency. It either repels people and they think this is insane and these are crazy people, or there's some mystical allure where people are like, I've got to have this in my life.

So certainly there's an attraction within you to this world. You may have balked at the training schedule, and I would encourage you to not just repress whatever it is that got you excited about it, and just expand your time frame a little bit and be a little bit more patient. Like working up to something like running 100k or 100 miles, like that's not something that happens overnight. You could probably find training programs that will compress the period of time to get you ready for something like that but what's the rush you know what i mean i think the journey and the value of participating in a race like that is the uh is everything that leads up to um you know getting

to the starting line in retrospect after you finish the race that's what to getting to the starting line. In retrospect, after you finish the race, that's what you'll value the most. And there's no reason to race through that. And I think if you build up more gradually and set a year window or a two-year window or even a three-year window to get to that and start changing your lifestyle habits to orient around what it takes to do something like that, then a year from now, the idea of tackling those 20-mile runs won't seem so onerous because you will have some experience under your belt,

and you'll look at that differently than you do now. Thank you. So I'm not entirely sure what my purpose is. But I do know what brings me joy. I'm very clear on what brings me joy. I mean, there are things like putting my headphones on and just totally getting into some great music or getting on my bike and the endorphins that I feel after that.

And all these sort of micro things feel very self-serving. And they bring me joy and I guess maybe my question is is it in that state of joy that I will discover my purpose is that like a valid thing um I don't know I mean I have a lot of ideas of what my purpose could be but I'm not really sure what it is yeah it, it's okay. You're in a beautiful state of connection to yourself, just seeing you now from the last trip and everything that you've done. So I think you're onto it.

I think you're definitely onto it. So the more that you can spend time in that frequency of joy, the more you will get the messages that you need to and your purpose will be revealed to you in whatever form. Um, or you might just be one of these super special people that just get to live in the joy and not have a purpose. So that would be one more thing. Um, yeah. And the other thing is, is that I use the word selfful a lot instead of selfish.

I think a lot of us have been told by spiritual teachings or maybe we believe that being selfish, it's being selfish if you just love to ride your bike. But I take the opposite perspective, and that is that that's being selfful. Because if you love yourself and you celebrate yourself, you will do something amazing. Even if it's stopping lost in the forest and having an interaction with someone from another culture and what happens in that exchange. So you connected to Julie and you loving Julie celebrating julie is a gift to all of us So just keep doing what you're doing and you'll find it or it'll find you

That question of like what's my purpose it's like there's so much pressure like it's kind of like not good to walk around thinking about that all the time because I Feel like it leads to a sense of paralysis because like who really knows what their purpose is. And if you think you do, like maybe you need to evaluate your ego a little bit. Like how do you know that that's really what your purpose is? You know what I mean? So I think I would agree with Julie that the more that you can, uh, you know, connect with those things that bring you joy, that will make you obviously a more joyful person. And then you have more joy to give. And you will be in a place where you will

want to share that joy. And that will lead to opportunities to be of service where that joy can then, you know, infect the people around you. And I think if you're paying attention and you're doing that inside work of the meditation and the yoga and the active meditation of riding your bike and all these other things that are, um, are, you know, healing to you, uh, that will make you more present in your life. And then you're more aware of the signals and the opportunities that arise that might present opportunities for you to make decisions to, you know, change how you're, you know, moving forward. And that's going to lead to, you know, greater understanding of self and more opportunities. And then ultimately you'll wake up one day and think, I think I know

what my purpose is. You know what I mean? So I think it comes as an evolving practice of engaging with what brings you joy, and then finding ways to share that in a service-minded capacity. Yeah, and so at some level, this is important, and at another level, it becomes completely irrelevant. So it's an exercise. It's a practice. We're going to do a practice over the next day and a half to like set up, clarify some things, set up the week. And then, you know, we'll be doing a lot of other stuff. So it's only here for you. It's for you and you and for your own discovery. And, you know, if it brings some things into your awareness then beautiful and if not

we'll keep moving on thanks I sometimes find myself in this place where and like I know for example moving is a good thing for me, but Like I have resistance and so I I'm in a dilemma whether to kind of wait a bit for me to feel a bit more drawn to it like that it comes from within or should I Just kind of like more from the head or listening to others oh you know you should make yourself move you'll feel better and then it'll come more naturally so it's a kind of this where it should come from rich and I'll have two different perspectives so rich can go first I'd like to hear both well as I'm I'm fond of saying, mood follows action.

It's something I say all the time. So if you wait until you feel like doing something, you're unlikely to do it. But if you know that a certain activity is going to make you feel better, even if you don't feel like doing it, the compulsion to do it anyway can shift that emotional and physical state. But I would encourage you to find something that you enjoy doing. You know, what is it that you would choose to do that doesn't feel like something that, you know, just sounds terrible to you that you're going to hate and you're doing it

just because, you know, everybody tells you that you should move your body in this certain way. Are you talking about moving your body or moving residents or moving countries? Are you talking about moving your body or moving residents or moving countries? Oh, no, body. Moving your body, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think I sort of know what's sort of more natural, like I am more of a dancing person rather than like running or the other kind of exercises. But at the same time, I really really love the idea of that i can actually just

i mean dance it's like i almost need certain circumstances to have that happen so i really like that i'm more self-reliant that i can actually move and it becomes like a um not an issue i just do it and I feel good. Because whenever I do it, it is usually good, but still I feel that resistance. And yeah, it is hard to sometimes break that, really. Like, I think I am growing up a lot being in my head and I have been really studious. So...

But you can wear down that resistance through consistency and creating momentum around it. You know what I mean? It's like if you're doing it on the regular, that resistance will start to decrease. If you're in a practice of saying, well, at this time every day or every other day or whatever this is when i do this then that voice of resistance will start to fade in you know recede into the

background does that make sense yeah i think i'm curious about the mindset i should approach this rather than being like a dictatorial and kind of okay I have to do it like how to Approach to it in a very loving and inviting way I think will you sound conflicted because on the one hand you say you really? Enjoy these things when on the other hand you feel like you you have to do it and you're looking at it like as a burden Yes, because I think it does switch really like if it comes from outside, if my husband, he's super, loves his running and all that, and I really am inspired.

But then if he says that to me, I'm like, no, I don't know. There is a resistance and there could be various reasons for it. But in a way I want to do it, but actually I'm not really doing it. Like from me to get into that action and doing it, it just like I switch off or whatever. So in a way I think I want to be there. I want it to be an easy thing, an easy act. And I don't want to be like a big racer or anything, but I want it to come at an ease. And I think, yeah, that's where I want to be. to well there's what you want and then there's what is you know so you're the resistance is you're you're you have an issue with the way

reality works you know as opposed to the way that you wish it would work and this is there's a there's a book by Steven Pressfield called the war of art and he talks about resistance. And I think what you're expressing is very common and applicable, not just in the context of, like, physical exercise, but, you know, professional and creative pursuits as well. So any writer will tell you they love writing, but it's also the most painful, horrible, you know, torturous thing you can possibly do and that resistance always creeps up and there's always a reason or An excuse or some barrier to prevent the writer from sitting down and writing Because it's painful when they finally do it and they get to the other side. They're glad they do it. They feel good

They wish they could be in that flow, you know, on a consistent regular basis, and then the resistance pops up again. And this happens with, like you said, with the physical activity that you're trying to engage in, but it happens in our lives in many different ways. So that might be a book that you would like to read, because it talks about how you think about the resistance and how you overcome it. And I think you would, I think that would be helpful to you. Thank you. But I think this idea of just wanting it to be easy where you're always going to be super stoked to do it. Like that's just not how it works. So for me, when I'm in that mindset, um, first of all, you like set up your schedule so that you have this set aside time. You've already, you know already carved it out of your day

and you've prioritized it and everybody knows. So nothing can invade on that time. And then even when you have that emotional resistance to just doing it, you have to figure out ways to just turn the brain off and put one foot in front of the other. And you can break that down into little micro actions that just move you forward until you're doing it. And then you're like, oh, I'm doing it. You know what I mean? And I could talk to you more about how to do that after this, if you'd like.

All that, yes. And I think another perspective that we can all benefit from is by really starting to recognize this concept of the body being a temple for our spirit, for our soul. I don't think we really make that connection. And these bodies are miraculous and they are gifts, they're blessings. And we lose connection between what we're putting in our mouth and then what our body has to do with that food substance. And in addition, we stop moving the body or we look at exercise as some chore. And when you're really in a self-love and you really understand what's going on and that what this body has the

potential to be, it should be your first priority. The first priority is taking care of the body, and the body has to move. The body has to move to be able to retain or be able to hold more and more light. So my choice of movement is yoga, because it combines those two things. Rich's choice is running and training and doing what he does.

It doesn't matter what it is, but I would say to you that if you love dance, dance, start a dance class, you know, figure it out. And every morning get up and dance your, dance your little butt off for like, you know, 45 minutes before anything else happens. It's actually kind of an easy thing to create. You can find a room, set up some speakers, you can dance alone. Don't lose touch with those natural tendencies. You don't need a club and you don't need a party or a wedding to dance. You can do it right wherever you are.

And I think dancing and I know dancing and movement is a natural part of what it means to be human. And there are beautiful movements and artistic expressions that happen as a result of listening to the energy. And I've had experiences myself with my body moving in certain ways because it was able to listen to energy. So I think there's a key for you there and I think you don't have to move the way other people move if it's not what feels natural to you. You don't want to jump in the Irish Sea every morning with Steven and David?

I'm getting meds right now. Oh you are? Yeah. can i just add something to that as well i understand that pressure um sometimes when you want to try something but there's sort of external things that maybe stop you from like doing it because it's like am i doing this for the right reasons am I doing it because someone might be telling me it's good for me and that they enjoy it so much and you know you should get on that bandwagon too and that kind of creates resistance but something that's been really helpful for me is um this idea of just trying something for 30 days and just being curious about it and it just adds a level of commitment to it that's that's not like if I don't do it forever I've failed or

like because sometimes that's overwhelming because you think oh I'm going to start doing something I better do it forever or I'd better do it and then you don't do it and then you feel like you've failed so that's just a like a little technique that's really been helpful to me that's um I better do it forever or I'd better do it. And then you don't do it and then you feel like you've failed. So that's just like a little technique that's really been helpful to me that you just say I'm just going to give it a try and see what happens. And in all cases I've found it to be incredibly transformational and just approaching it with curiosity and non-judgment as well. So that's my two bobs worth.

And I have another thing to add to that um exercise is one of my biggest trigger points um for me personally and I've had to because I'll do anything and I have done any well not running um anything. Um, and a lot of times now I have to sit back and I have to honestly meditate before I work out and think about what my body wants to do today. Um, because as a result, um, if I work out and I'm doing things that I'm forcing, it's creating other imbalances in my body. So I'm having hormonal imbalances and acne breakouts at you know almost 30 years old and so trying to um you know honestly listen to myself was something i was having the hardest time doing so um i don't know if that's another technique that could help too yeah thanks um just to to add to that um i think the um one I think one of the things that I found really difficult to contemplate,

I'm a very kind of obsessive, intense person when I do things, and I had to learn how to meditate two years ago. And I was really lucky that I was working with somebody who figured out that it was going to be really difficult to try and get me to calm down and be quiet. And he said two things to me at the start. One was, he said, it's when you're on a plane and they tell you to tend to yourself before you reach into somebody else's seatbelt. He said, this is the philosophy that we follow. But then he made me meditate for one minute a day for weeks.

And I kept going back into therapy and I kept saying to him, so am I ready to meditate for like three minutes? I can go do 10 now. And he's going, no, no, no, it's one. It's one minute. And I eventually moved off one minute because he said, yeah, you can move off right now because you've stopped asking me. Is it really and is it time? so i think you do something little and often and you build a habit

and then you can find it so much easier so you know don't try and kill yourself into pushing into something huge that's like a massive tilt just do it small and often and then you can build and form a habit around it. I think that's a really important point. You know, we're in this kind of life hack culture where everybody's looking for shortcuts to success or to some fitness goal or health goal or professional goal. And the truth is, is that, you know, mountains are moved through making very tiny lifestyle adjustments that you then stick to. Like that's an amazing example. One minute a day for how long until it became a cemented practice that you did. And that foundation was there, was established enough that you could

then build upon it. That the person that you were working with felt confident that this glue had solidified enough that this was going to now become, you know, a non-negotiable aspect of how you're living your life. And I think, you know, that sort of strategy is equally applicable to diet and fitness and, you know, any other goal that you set for yourself. If you can make these changes in a way that then they become rote lifestyle habits as opposed to temporary destination-oriented, you know, habits that you probably think in the back of your mind you're going to be abandoning at some point, that's the way that you really move forward with the best foot, I think. way that you really move forward and with the best foot i think yeah yeah great i think as well you when you when you look to change something in your life and it's for you and it's for for health

reasons um you have to look at things in a completely different light to the way that you ever look at anything else and and you know you find a lot of similarities in the way that you've operated before that you can that you can bring in but if you want to really make you find a lot of similarities in the way that you've operated before that you can bring in. But if you want to really make a huge change, that mammoth change just starts with the tiniest things. And people become disheartened and move off the plan the minute it becomes complex, the minute it becomes challenging. Or the minute they want results immediately. Yeah, and it just doesn't come it's it's it's a long road but if you can just do tiny bits and and kind of you know within your within your your your your goal

setting just break it down into its tiniest bite-sized forms then it will happen but making it big and making it you know claims of of absolutely transformational you know tony robbins four day sessions and i'm going to go and take over the world you get pretty disappointed one thing i just wanted to add to all of that is um forgiveness i think is really important especially when you're starting these smaller challenges I see it all the time it's that you know if you do three days of this new thing and then you slip up on the fourth it's not the end of the world you know it's to dust yourself off learn from your mistakes and and come back stronger that's why I see all the time this one you know beer though I'm involved in is constantly trying to remind people it's forgiveness not the

stick of guilt that's really important it's same with the vegan thing it's it's like you know i had some butter on some vegetables one day i mean the whole thing's blown that's it i can't call myself a vegan i'm you know i'm a failure you see all the time i think it's such a natural instinct but it's really just to encourage people that it doesn't matter you know learn from your mistake and come back and then just try and build longer streaks that's the real key those longer daily streaks i think is is really helpful yeah that's self-compassion and and liberating yourself from this expectation of perfection you know you see this in diet all the time right like oh i'm gonna go plant-based or whatever it doesn't even matter what diet modality it is two weeks later you slip

up and you go off the plan and then people just they just abandon it completely because they feel like it's too hard or they can't measure up to this expectation that they've placed on themselves and i think that's a beautiful sentiment to like build in that self-compassion and self-forgiveness to just and and then to root yourself back into the moment of like, what's the next best decision that I can make to move forward as opposed to like, you know, this narrative that you'll create that it was all a disaster and a mistake and you're not good enough and you can't possibly, you know, do this thing. It's really good that you asked the question you asked because clearly all of us are thinking about this we all have a lot to add and i think there's one thing or there's one thing i'd like

to add that hasn't been brought up yet and it actually facilitated by a lot of the things that have already been said but find yourself a community like that loves to do what you want to do and i would say dancing because then you have a connection and accountability with people and that's so huge to build and like that will encourage you to build the habit as well and that's what that's how i got into yoga i mean i wanted to do yoga to be to facilitate running and i did 30 days of like every single day and i was like boom yoga is the thing now and I've not stopped so community is huge and that's why we're all here too like it's no easy feat to

get to Ireland and but the community was there I just wanted to say just a point that kind of kept coming to my mind while Julie was talking about patience because I think this question is pretty huge of what is my life purpose and it's like I don't know I don't know I don't know you know it keeps recurring and just your point of if you had a known maybe how long it would have taken it might have scared you away from saying that change is okay to leave your high-flying corporate job but money and all of those things that we think we're supposed to have. So I just think that's a good reminder to be patient and trust the timing and not have to know by 4 o'clock today

what you're going to be necessarily or what your life purpose is. And then what you touched on with momentum, I think, again, momentum is really important because there's so many things you might not know about what your life purpose is but the things that you do know that make you feel that joy and that happiness if you keep concentrating on them hopefully then it just becomes clearer eventually so i just wanted to share that definitely Definitely. And I think also one of the illusions of stepping onto a spiritual path, it's just like a factor of immaturity, is we seem to think that if we step

on a spiritual path, then suddenly life will be easier for us. It will be more graceful. And in fact, that's not what life is about. Life is about, you know, evolution and basically an alchemical process where we get chiseled and refined into remembering who we are. And that takes the form of a lot of different things. And it's not for the meek. It's not for the weary. You know, it's a warrior path. And you become devoted to the process, a servant of the process of the source, and unattached to the outcome. So we've given you this homework, and I have a lot of that as well, things that I want to express that I think are natural to me

that I want to leave here I think are natural to me that I want to leave here before I leave this life. Um, and at the same time, every morning when I wake up, I dedicate my life to that. And every night when I go to bed, I give her all of it, all the great things that happen and all the shitty things that happen. Like they're all hers. great things that happen and all the shitty things that happen. Like they're all hers. So the more that I can stay in that, the more fluid and graceful and the more miraculous my life is. And because I've been able to live as a mystic or as somebody who has that perception or that, it's a perspective that I choose. I choose it. I have been witness to many, many miracles in my life in vast ways. But make no mistake, it does not mean that you get an easy time or you get a pass go.

And getting back to what Janie was saying, I've just been reflecting on deeply recently how this process of evolution will never end. It will not end when you leave this body. We were talking about the immense amount of amazing musicians who have taken their lives recently. And you look at these beings and they are being recognized for a creative expression in a huge way. By like millions of people. And yet this is occurring. And so it brought me into meditation and reflection on, wow, you know, it was hitting me. Like even, even with that amount of feedback, it's still not it, right? Still not it. But they didn't opt out of anything because there's no death. So all there is are more and more levels of required evolution. So then that brought me

to the awareness that the really only important thing is this moment right now. That's it. Like, because you will be chasing or looking or searching for eternity forever. So then it gave this really beautiful color to just the power of the present moment. And that's why, you know, uh, I had a very close friend of mine who's, um, four-year-old son drowned when we were young mothers. and I was with her very close through that whole thing and there was no place of relief but the present because anytime you went to the past you were in horror and anytime you went to the future you were in horror so the only moment where there was any blessing was just in this moment. So ultimately that's the perspective where we're arriving, but because we're in this other experience, these processes and these assignments might

be helpful to some of you and might be irrelevant to others. and might be irrelevant to others. Julie, I want to talk a little bit, or ask you, you said, Julie, before about the money side of things, how this world's dedicated to making money and that being our purpose. I've been on a bit of a spiritual path, as you know, now, for a little little while and I still struggle with letting go of the fact that I have to earn an income to be able to pay for my habits, to spend time going running or spend time on retreats like this or going yoga and doing the things

that are making me hopefully a better person, a more evolved person. They still cost money and and i i struggle a lot with trying to let go of that and i heard you say that you know we need to see that not as a purpose of life but how do we do that better i mean you've been through a nine-year financial collapse and so you've got the best advice on this i would have thought yeah i'm an expert i'm an if anybody's having financial collapse come me. I know how the whole thing works. Yeah, well, obviously, Andrew, I mean, we're in a physical world. We need money. So don't misunderstand. I didn't mean to say that money is bad. Okay? Money is good. Because if we use it as

energy, it allows us to do things. And the truth of the matter is, is we need more awakened, conscious people to rise up in that area you know because the spiritual or awakened people have not stepped up in that way and money is controlling the world you know that's what controls what happens I guess what I would say is it's your attachment to the money or who are you when you interact with the money okay so you understand that money is not the end, right? It's the means. And if you live your life as a spiritual servant or as a servant, when I say that, a servant of your heart, a servant of your pure heart, really, then I think,

you know, if you understand those, it's fine. Then be super successful. Please make a lot of money. Rich and I plan on making a lot of money. You know, we've been through our thing, and we plan on making really a lot of money, because we are going to continue to do our work in the world and to move through circles. So again, it's the, I guess it's a commentary more on the culture of the fact that we idolize people that have a lot of money or that are, you know, pop stars or, you know, and we tend to overlook all these amazing heroes, you know, like Vandana Shiva or like, you know, people that really have done something to really shift consciousness. And this is changing and I believe it's going to change. But, um, yeah,

we need you to be whole and not everybody has to go through what we went through. Life will show up for you in different ways. You know, it just happened to be our thing. It brought us closer together. So normally that circumstance would have split a family apart. You know, Rich and I would have went into blame and we would have caused a lot of problems in our marriage. In our case, it brought us unified. We were like in a war and we were just all together with our family, just cemented, like, you know, with so much love, so much commitment. So yeah, it'll appear in many different forms and it doesn't mean that you have to go through what we went through. However, if you are idolizing money and that is really where you are in your energetics, you know, Eckhart Tolle said,

you know, that you can self-actualize with a million dollars in the bank, but it's not likely. I would say that when I hear you share, I think that's a very um this is a common thing that probably a lot of us you know spend a lot of time thinking about but i think baked into that or kind of you know peeling back the layers of what you're saying is this idea of i have my traditional career path and this you know rewards me financially and then i have the things that i love that are not financially rewarding i would like to be doing all of these things, but I don't want to be broke. How do I bridge this gap? And I think there's a little bit of a lack of faith and a bit of a lack mentality in the sense that the belief being that if you move over to the things that you really love, that you are forsaking

your financial well-being in so doing and i would encourage you to like have a broader perspective and think of it um uh you know uh welcome the possibility that by stepping into these things like with the new normal project that perhaps that might be more financially rewarding than your medical career if you were to commit to it, you know, in a certain way that perhaps you're reticent to now because you have one foot in and one foot out. So it's not about the money, it's your relationship to the money. I think, you know, make as much money as you possibly can so you can do more of these things. But I think this idea that if you're going to be living this spiritual path, that you have to be some kind of renunciant is not a functional paradigm.

We all live in the world, like Julie said. So how can we live in the world, adhere to these values that we've erected for ourselves, carve out that time to do the things that we want to do. It doesn't necessarily have to be a career path for everybody. You know, maybe new normal isn't your career path. Maybe it is. I don't know. You will, you know, you will have to answer that question for yourself. Um, but, uh, I think the idea that, that, uh, that it's this binary zero sum thing that's related to your time investment, um, is not necessarily true. And, you know, Russell Simmons, when I had him on the pocket, says the same thing, like, man, I'm doing all this yoga. I'm going to go broke now. Cause I'm

spending all my time in yoga. And, and actually the awareness that he was able to like develop as a result of his devotion to his meditation and his yoga practice and these things that he loved that weren't related to him making money and could, you know, could be argued to be a distraction from his professional career only amplified his success in that arena. So these things are more intertwined and interconnected than I think we, you know, want to believe. And so I would, I guess my parting words to you would be to just kind of liberate yourself from the shackles of that binary mentality and make room for the wonder and the possibility that as you step more into this world, that it will only garner more success and more reward for you, not just spiritually, emotionally, mentally,

and physically, but also financially, professionally. Yeah, and I just want to add to that too, Andrew, and that is that as a spiritual warrior, you don't get to intellectualize what your path is. So I had somebody say to me during my collapse, well, I wouldn't choose bankruptcy. And I said, really? I said, well, it might just choose you someday. So you don't get to bargain.

You don't get to jump with a net. That's not the way it works. Rich and I were literally on the razor's edge. We could have been completely annihilated. Completely. Like every single decision we made was wrong. You know? Or actualize all our dreams.

It could have gone either way. And in that moment, we were required to remain devotional to remain present to it available to it and what we learned in that transition time was we never went hungry we had cars repossessed you know we never like things worked out I didn't have a bank account for four years. Like, how does that work? We just made adjustments. It's like you figure out a way, and you keep getting tested. You get these tests.

And then what I realized was, if I could shorten the moment of resistance to anything that happened, it would be like, oh, the car's on fire. You know, it would be nothing, like internally, emotionally. And I was working with Rich also to not be on the emotional reaction. Like, what does this mean? I've lost all my money. What does this mean about me? I don't have a bank account. What does it mean about me as a being that I got both cars repossessed? What does it mean about me as a mother that I can't provide

health insurance for my kids? I had to face each one of those and I had to blow it up. I had to break through it and be like, it means nothing. Zero. And that quest and that commitment and vow that I would not let this experience take my humanity from me or my spiritual power from me, I met all of it in the face of a spiritual master, really. And that was the test. That was the initiation that we went through. Had we not gone through that, we couldn't speak to you from the place we speak to you. The podcast would not be what it is. Rich's podcast would not be what it is.

His book would not have been what it was, what it is. My podcast would not be what it is. We had to go through that dismantling in order to stand in service. Because otherwise it would have just been lip service. It would have just been an idea of like Derek Zoolander, you know. We want to make a school for kids who can't read good. There's a lot of that going on. So, you know, it's a beauty of life. It's a depth of life.

And there's this beautiful passage from the Ramayana, which is a thousands-of-year-old ancient Indian text. And there's a moment in that book where Hanuman, who's the monkey deity, is in the trees, and he's looking at Sita and Rama from afar, and he's admiring their choice of mate. And he's saying that they both share a ruggedness of beauty that is brought about from being bashed by the water

like rocks on the shore, and that that's something that you earn, you become it. And that experience goes into your cells. And no one can ever take it from you, no matter what you face. You are so much more powerful than money, than a job. And so that's the point that we're trying to share. So if you gain this awareness, you can use money, but you can be free of that implant in the planetary grid

that if we don't have it, we're all going to evaporate. So, anyway. I was just going to say on that theme, I think from personal experiences as kind of an entrepreneurial person for 20 years, I made money, but I've always kind of visualized it over the last few years as if, you know, I kind of stand at the edge of the universe. And when I set something up or I want to do something, I jump in and I push and I pull and I fight and I scrap. And I have tons of arguments with lots of people and I just whip out what I need and I get back out and I'm kind of going, OK, now I'll wait for my next turn to do that again. that happened for me through my process in therapy and meditation was I felt in therapy, I kept saying to my therapist, who's my meditation guru, you know, you're going to soften me here and you're going to take away what it is that makes me successful. So I thought I'm going to turn into, you know, this kind of lentilating hippie who will never really want to make any money again.

And he kept saying to me all the time, don't worry, it will be fine. It will all happen. And I just kept having this conversation. And he just wouldn't entertain it. He said, don't worry, it will be fine. It will all happen. And I think the big difference now that I feel,

and I'm coaching three people who have had very successful careers and want to make changes and we had some very profound conversations around this but for me I find that now that I'm in balance with nature and the universe that it does just happen so you know positive things happen and the weirdest things on the planet happen um and everything just works out okay but where i've been coaching some people who've said hey you know i really like what you're doing and how do i get out of the rat race too but how do i still go on holiday how do i still have all these things that i like to have in my life and a big part of that is one um, I made everybody watch the Minimalist TV show because my 10-year-old made me watch it and told me we need to sell our house.

So that kind of blew me away. And we did sell our house after he told me to sell the house. But I've also said to people then when I'm coaching them, you know, do you need to live in that house? Have you thought about selling that house and living in a smaller house because sometimes to really excel and grow we've got to pair ourselves back a bit and then it's like the pruning of a tree by actually going through that process you can have a rebirth into something much bigger and stronger so it's hard because you've got to do some painful stuff in the short term but the long term the growth is

pretty awesome but you've got to be open to just making some kind of big changes to your life yeah that's beautifully put at the last retreat that we had in Italy we watched the minimalism documentary as a group so has everybody seen that documentary

you should definitely watch it and I had Joshua on my podcast and then I guested on their podcast as well. They're doing amazing work, those guys. But I love that sentiment. And I think there is something to this idea of, you know, Julie was referencing it earlier, maintaining your neutrality, like your fulcrum point. And meditation is a vehicle for being non-reactive and being more present and more engaged with your life. There's that sense that if you go down that rabbit hole that, yeah, like you're going to lose your edge and all the competitive, everything that made you who you are,

your whole identity is under, is being assailed, right? It's under threat. And what does that mean? And that's the similar thing with, with Russell Simmons. Like he felt like that too. I'm going to lose, I'm going to turn into this, you know, granola eating person and my whole empire is going to cave in on top of me. The result was the opposite because when you can remain neutral and then you can surrender the results of your efforts, you can turn them over, and that's what we're going to get into later in the week. That surrender process of not being attached to the outcome allows you to be, allows, sort of cements that sense of neutrality.

And ultimately, when you're in that place, there's some kind of weird mystical spiritual equation that ensues that actually facilitates you getting what you want. It's almost like when you don't care or all that emotional baggage and attachment, I have to have this. If I don't have this, then who am I and what do I mean if I can't get that house or keep up with the Joneses? When you let go of all of that, it actually clears this path for a more effortless, you know, way of accelerating you towards that thing that you thought was going to go away if you engage in these practices to begin with. Yeah, I agree. Totally. There's a book that I just started reading called, sorry, it's called The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck. Have you heard of this book? But it's called the subtle art of not giving a fuck have you heard of this book

but it's kind of all about that like his whole thing is like we give a fuck about way too much if we just figured out what's important to give a fuck about and just didn't give a fuck about anything else then actually life would be a lot better and when you when you like don't give as much of a fuck about the things that you care so much about, um, that actually you're more likely to get those things. So it's kind of a fun book. Okay. Time for lunch. Thank you. All right. I hope you guys enjoyed that. It was such a great group of people. This dynamic amongst the group during our retreat was just, it was off the hook. The energy was amazing. And this Q and a session was our first workshop on the first day. So we were still just

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