The Rich Roll Podcast - Kevin Smith & Harley Quinn Smith Dare To Enter The 'Vegan Abattoir'

Episode Date: July 6, 2020

Over the last several episodes, I’ve endeavored to shoulder healthy and thoughtful conversations about what matters most right now — the pandemic, racial injustice, systemic racism, police brutality and food injustice. Today we shift from that somber gear for an interlude of reprieve. Enter entertainment’s ultimate plant-based father-daughter duo: Kevin Smith and Harley Quinn Smith. For the few unfamiliar among us, Kevin is an indie film making legend, actor, comedian, comic book writer, author and early podcast pioneer — a voice I credit as a huge influence on my personal career behind a microphone. In 1994, Kevin burst into prominence with his hyper low-budget comedy Clerks, a film he wrote, directed, co-produced, and filmed in the convenience store where he worked. Premiering at Sundance, it was fêted with the festival’s highest award before going on to become an indie cult classic. In addition to countless appearances in both movies and television, Kevin has created a litany of films, affectionately and collectively referred to by his many rabid fans as the View Askewiverse, a nod to Kevin’s production shingle, View Askew Productions. Returning to his roots (did he ever leave?), Kevin toured his latest film, Jay and Silent Bob Reboot (featuring names like Chris Hemsworth and Ben Affleck) to roadshow box office success, promoting it with pre-pandemic live events in over 60 cities across North America. An iconic and beloved character amongst indie film fans and comic book nerds, Kevin has always been immediately recognizable and famous for his hockey jerseys, backward hat and well, his weight.  But in February of 2018, Kevin had a near-fatal heart attack. A lifestyle change was needed. Desperately. Enter Harley. An actress, animal rights activist and bass player for the bubblegum punk band, The Tenth, Harley suggested —some might say coerced—Kevin to adopt her plant-based ways. Kevin obliged. In short, he dropped 50 pounds and kept the weight off. His blood work normalized. And the rest is history. Together they recently launched Vegan Abattoir—a daddy daughter podcast affair that provides plant-based answers to the vegan-curious questions they get from a meat-eating and dairy-drinking audience. Dare you enter? If so you can catch yours truly in episode 2. Picking up where I left off with Kevin in last year’s barnburner 2.5 hour Vulcan mind meld (RRP #433), Today’s discussion centers primarily on veganism and animal rights. What led Harley to adopt this lifestyle, the way it has transformed her life, and that of her Dad.  It’s about the many projects these two have up their sleeve, from restaurants to non-profits, to upcoming films. It’s a peek into the life of a Hollywood family, and the complicated dynamics of the movie biz and stardom — including a touching remembrance of Stan Lee and the story behind Harley landing a Manson girl part in Quentin Tarantino’s Once Upon A Time In Hollywood. The gleeful banter between Harley and Kevin is infectious. And while this conversation is light, I promise there is much to be gleaned — especially if you are new to the vegan world or perhaps contemplating a more-plant based approach to your plate and life. I’ve interviewed a lot of people. Few are as skilled as Kevin in the art of conversation. And Harley just made it all so much better. Enjoy! Peace + Plants, Rich

Being vegan together has been fun. We've always been very similar in other ways and stuff, but now there's that as well, which has been kind of adorable, but also beneficial. She literally saved my life by being like, come do this, come do this. And every time I pop something in my mouth that's plant-based, which is every time I pop something in my mouth,

I generally think I wouldn't have been here were it not for her, and not just for her going, please do this. She was a vegan astronaut. She'd been like, you know, two years of vegan prior to me. And that made a transition to a plant-based lifestyle much easier. You know, for some people who are like teetering, like it's a mystery. I had somebody who had like kind of solved the mystery for herself. And so it was able to give me information that made me feel way more comfortable about leaving behind 47 years of eating a certain way. So, you know, hats off to you. It has been really cool. It's been really special to be able to do it together. And

I didn't really give my dad a choice at all to be vegan. I just, I was insisting upon it, but also how cool it is to have the perspective of somebody who's vegan for their health and somebody who's vegan for a completely different reason for animal rights. And kind of seeing what human compassion could do to an animal just gave me a new awareness that I had never understood before, where the human actions directly affect the animals that we coexist with. So it has also just proved to be a really good combination for different backstories of why we're vegan. So that's also really cool.

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for you or a loved one, again, go to recovery.com. Okay, my guests today are Kevin Smith, the podcasting original gangster himself, indie filmmaking royalty, pop culture aficionado, indie filmmaking royalty, pop culture aficionado, and now going strong two years after the heart attack that nearly claimed his life as a vegan enthusiast, a lifestyle we discussed in our first podcast together. That was episode 433 back in April of last year. And that shift was due in no small part, actually, probably entirely due to the influence of today's other guest, Kevin's daughter, Harley Quinn Smith, who is an animal rights activist, a punk rock bass player, an actress you might have caught in one of Kevin's films like Yoga Hosers or perhaps in Quentin Tarantino's Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. We talk about that today. Together, these two recently launched a podcast, Daddy Daughter Affair, called Vegan Abattoir. I happened to be their guest last week, so check that out.

Anyway, I love these two. This one is super fun. So dig it, people. This is me, Kevin Smith and Harley Quinn Smith. I appreciate you guys coming out here and talking to me today. Thanks for having man. When, uh, when, when the kid showed interest in doing a podcast, which like naturally, you know, made my podcaster soul, um um because she'd been on a few episodes of smodcast in the past and stuff but when she was like i'm thinking about doing a podcast i was like

what what like oh my god i know a thing or two about that i was so excited so when she narrowed it down and created what what we're calling vegan abattoir um one of the first things i said is like oh you you have to have Rich Roll on. Yeah, cool. And she was like, why? And I was like, because in the space, he's the guy. I'd said, I did this podcast, it's like a year ago, and not a week of my life goes by

where I don't run into somebody who's like, oh, I heard you're on Rich Roll's podcast. And it's always somebody I would never expect. It's not like, oh, there's my vegan friend who said that. It's somebody who says this. I not like, oh, there's my vegan friend who said that. It's somebody who like says this. I'm like, what, you as well? There was a lot of reach in that podcast. You got a big audience.

Yeah, I appreciate that. I mean, that means a lot coming from you. I mean, Harley, do you understand what your dad created? I mean, he is like the original when it comes to, there's like three generations of podcasting here because your dad, Kevin, was one of the very first, like way, way before anybody was doing it to jump in and own the space.

And he really pioneered it and created, like everything that's happened, a huge debt is owed to you, Kevin. And personally, like I wasn't super early into becoming a podcaster, but I was very early in terms of being a fan. And your show was one of the very first that I cottoned onto.

And it's been super inspirational to me. And so it's cool to be here with somebody who goes all the way back to the beginning. Like I inherited that legacy and it's made me better at what I do. And now to see you stepping into it, super cool. Thank you. I mean, he definitely, definitely explained how important he was to the podcasting community

many times to me. And I actually was going to try to attempt to do a podcast alone. And then one day he came up to the kitchen while I was making breakfast and he was like, so I have to be a part of it. And I wasn't quite like, no, it was, he was like, I'm going to be really insulted. I think, no, you, you actually said you're going to make a mistake if you don't include. And so I was like, that was close to it. I was like, all right, here we go. But I'm, I mean, I'm honored and I'm now very excited that we have this together.

But he did make sure to explain his importance to the podcasting community to me and give his own feel. Look, you know how we were talking about like, oh, your father created something. I created something at this table, Rich, that I'm kind of wishing right now I'd create a little differently. Wouldn't call me out in public and tell my secrets. I did. I was just like, look, kiddo, I was thinking about it. Like you could totally do a podcast by yourself. And I applaud that, but like, it'd be such a mistake for us not to do it together. I was like, because like, I'm a vegan too. And you flipped me to veganism. Like your vegan story, like changed my life. And so I know the podcasting space and I was like, and people would love to hear like a dad and daughter talking together and stuff like that.

I was like, I'm not telling you what to do, but like, there's, there's a marketing hook here. That's so right. You were threatening me a little bit. I wasn't like, if you don't do a podcast with me, you're out of this house. That doesn't mean he's not right though were threatening me a little bit i wasn't like if you don't do a podcast with me you're out of this house that doesn't mean he's not right though no he was right you know and i think at the time i was like um this is rude but um you know i then realized how awesome it would be to have it together but also how cool it is to have the perspective of somebody who's

vegan for their health and somebody who's vegan for their health and somebody who's vegan for a completely different reason for animal rights. So it has like also just proved to be a really good combination for different backstories of why we're vegan. So that's also really cool. But I was hesitant at the beginning. Why? Why were you hesitant? Well, I want to hear more about that, but my sense is as somebody who's on the outside looking in and I'm just meeting you now is one of the incredible kind of beautiful benefits

of everything that has happened to you with the heart attack and going vegan and all of that is what's occurred with your relationship. Like this has really like brought you guys close. Like it's very sweet. Thank you. That you got involved in this movement because of your daughter and her insistence. And now you're going to do this podcast. Like there's a, there's just such a, like a bond there, you know, that you guys can do this stuff together. It's really cool.

And I say that somewhat out of like, I have a 16 year old daughter and I'm in that phase right now. She's like, nothing to do with me, you know? I was like, what would it take for my 16 year old daughter and I'm in that phase right now. She's like, nothing to do with me. You know, I was like, what would it take for my 16 year old daughter to want to do a podcast with me? I was like, you would have to move heaven and earth. I'm nearly 21. So just give it like a couple more years. But it has been really cool. It's been really special to be able to do it together.

And I didn't really give my dad a choice at all to be vegan. I just, I was insisting upon it. So, but- I was green rolled. Just like, you're gonna go vegan. I was like, all right, all right. Yeah, no, he didn't have a choice. But initially, right, you said two months

or something like that? Yeah, well, that's how I posed it, but I was never really gonna let that happen. But I wasn't gonna be like, please right now commit to a life time of veganism because i thought i would scare him right but um i did just kind of pose it as a few months but um i mean it's been like two years yeah i mean even you couldn't have imagined that he would have he would become like this you know you're now, you're now like the new face

of veganism, like it or not, Kevin. No, but she knew in flipping me that she would like, he'd be a good get for us. I was, I was like, this is important. He's got a big mouth and he's always talking about his interests and veganism was one of his interests. That's good for me and my community. So she kind of saw like the benefit of that, but I, I would like to believe at the heart of it. She was just like, you know, Oh my God, I know a way to keep you alive. Like I had almost died clearly because I was ingesting like not just animal food products, but far too many animal food products over the course of a lifetime. So even the nutritionist in the room at the, at that point was like you know they a plant-based diet

will bring your cholesterol down and that's where she saw the opening and was like yes one of us one of us so you know i said look i ate the way that i ate for 47 years i'll give this six months like you know i can the least i could do is try your way for six months why not and that was two years ago let me see see. February, March, April, May, June, July. So almost two and a half years ago. Two years and five months ago. And I haven't missed anything. That's the question I get the most from people

about veganism. It's just like, what do you miss, bro? What do you miss? Your daughter's not here. What do you really miss? That's so shady. Well, because they know that you're the commissar of all this. As you said, he was going vegan for life. So they know,

now I have two bosses in life, not just your mother, but also you. So when you're not around, yes, when you're not around, they're like, come on, dude, what do you really think? And I honestly don't miss anything. There's nothing that I'm like, oh man. That's the thing that people are surprised about because they suspect that you're just walking around craving in and out. Yeah, like your whole life, you're like, oh man. That's the thing that people are surprised about because they suspect that you're just walking around craving in and out. Yeah, like your whole life, you're like, I'm living a half or a quarter life

where I can't enjoy food anymore. Like we live in California and so they've got this veganism stuff down to a science. It's dialed in. Really tasty. But even without that, like even if you're just like, look, I can't go to some high-end restaurant

where they take a kumquat and turn it into a meatball. So what do I do? Beans and rice, man. Like tastier than most stuff that I ate on the non-vegan side. And like, that's seriously my go-to. Like for the last month, that's all I've been kind of- The last time I saw you was at the Mercy for Animals gala thing. And you got up to the podium to give away like the hero award or something. I can't remember what exactly the award was that you gave away, but you said something along the lines of, if somebody had told me if I went vegan, I'd be sitting next to the Joker. I would have done this a long time ago. A long time ago. Yeah. I don't know if he liked it. Joaquin was like, oh, don't tell them I'm the Joker as if they didn't know. Because if everyone in the room wasn't like, the joker's here.

But yeah, the benefits that come with it, you know, of course, the health benefits are, number one for me, have been obvious. Like I dropped a bunch of weight. I'm like, in my behind the scenes life where the, what's not so obvious is like my body chemistry. And I find that out when I go to the doctor all the time. And Dr. Ladenheim's the guy that saved my life, my cardiologist. Every time I've gone for the last, you know, you do six month interval checkups. He's always like, whatever you're doing,

keep doing it. And the first time it registered was like when I went vegan for two, I was vegan for two months and I went in for like a blood test and he was just like, oh my God, everything is great except for your cholesterol. And I was like, well like well we knew that that's why I had a heart attack he goes no your cholesterol is in the toilet like what happened he's like it dropped out and I was like I went vegan he's going well I got to cut your the meds and half because whatever you're doing is really doing the job and so I've gone back you know every six months for another checkup and the last one i had was right when i got back from the tour so it was like at the beginning of march right before everything went into lockdown and he was just like your blood work is phenomenal like you

know he's like and he even said because harley always picks at him because early on i was like i'm gonna go vegan and dr ladenheim was like you don't have to go vegan it's nothing wrong with me which is astounding to me he goes just keep it in moderation you know he's like there's nothing wrong with me so he later you know was like look fuck me like going vegan was the right move for you like i can clearly tell so he has since like tell your daughter she was right yeah passed on are you what are the what's going on with the meds now? Are you still on some meds? He just cut my blood thinners down substantially. But yeah, look, I'll be on blood pressure medication probably my whole life just because

of my family history at this point and because I'm a heart attack victim or whatever they call you. So I'll definitely be on blood pressure medication probably for the rest of my life. Whenever I go to like do a physical, like I had to get a physical for Jay and Silent Bob reboot. The doctor was like, oh my God, you have the blood pressure of a man

on blood pressure medication. Well done. I was like, thank you. The blood thinners, the doctor cut down. They put you on blood thinners because they put a stent in my LAD and they don't want the blood to coagulate, block it. And then I'm back in the same situation.

So I've been on blood thinners for like two years, but he recently dropped those to like half doses, which is good because like I shave quite frequently and periodically and nick yourself. And when I nick myself, it was just like a geyser, right? The blood thinners and stuff. And then there's a cholesterol blocker where it breaks up the cholesterol. It's in my system. And I'm not, I'm certainly not a wizened individual. I can't speak to body chemistry, but the way I understand it, maybe I'm wrong is the cholesterol

that was in my bloodstream will always be in my bloodstream. It doesn't go away. The cholesterol medication that they put me on breaks it down into a, you know, more liquid form, but it's not like, and now it's out of your system. Like it's still circulates. And why they want it to break down is because when it's hard, the plaque is hard. That's the stuff that travels through your circulatory system can lodge in your brain and give you a stroke. So I don't like, I always like to think like, you know, my cholesterol is gone, but the way I, maybe I'm wrong. I think it stays in you. I think once you've done the damage, the damage is done. And at this point, all you can do is not create more damage. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. I'm not a doctor. Yeah. None of us are.

We can get Neil Bernard. Damn it. I was kind of hoping one of you were like, oh, yeah, you're fine. But Harley, I want to hear more about your story with this. Because you became vegan for ethical reasons when you were quite young, right? Yeah. Your mom's a vegetarian. Yeah, my mom's a vegetarian. She's been a vegetarian my whole life. So she's definitely had that influence but it wasn't really

um i wasn't really aware of her influence until after i went vegan um i i just i before that i didn't really it's funny because the one thing like you know my wife her mother is always like she lives in the shadow of of both me and her daughter, you know, because we both do public things. Yeah. And so, you know, I think the thing she craves most in life is like recognition because she stands in the shadow of two people who get recognition just sometimes for waking up and stuff like that. So like her being an example that set Harley on the road to veganism would mean and does mean everything to

Jen. But the way that Harley puts it where she's like, I didn't really think about it until later on would break my wife's heart where she's like, why did I do all that? I mean, I wasn't aware of her influence though. I always credit her now. And that's why like I do always, I'm so vocal about her inspiration to me, but like, it really wasn't something I was aware of because she never was like hey you maybe shouldn't eat chicken or she wasn't ever trying to push her ideals on me she was only in milk remember she never gave you milk but that I never wanted it was so questionable to me anyways why anyone would believe it but as a kid it wouldn't have been questionable it was always questionable I had it once at school and I spit it out because I was like, what is this? At age what? Five or six? Yeah. Yeah. But if you were like me, probably like Rich, you would have been

raised with milk. It never would have been like, this is disgusting to like, you know, we were just given milk from a young age. It wasn't until I became a grownup, went vegan, stepped out of like the food industrial complex and the milk industrial complex and was like, it's kind of fucked up that we eat milk. Oh my God. Like it's weird. I just woke up or something. Like you just got pulled out of the matrix. No, mom definitely made me aware of that. And so I I'm thankful I always had that awareness, but she never said anything about meat or, or any other animal products. Even though she didn't really eat meat herself? No, she never ate meat ever. So I wasn't aware that she was influencing me, but I think since

she is my mother and I'm always going to look up to her and I looked up to her in so many other ways, I probably subconsciously was inspired by her choice to go vegetarian. I think that did secretly subconsciously influence me, but I just had no idea until later in life because I witnessed my mother who raised me not eat meat for 20 years. And so I'm sure somewhere in me, I was like, oh, well, she's been doing it for as long as I'm alive, so I probably can do the same. So she definitely did influence me. I just wasn't aware of it at the time, but now I definitely do give her all the credit because she deserves it. Somewhere she's rolling a tear.

I just wasn't aware. Oh, my God. Finally, the acknowledgement. I wasn't aware. But what really made me go vegetarian at first, I've been vegetarian for over five years, I think now. And I just hit my four year vegan mark in April, but was adopting my rabbit because when I adopted her, she was fully traumatized. Before she was surrendered to the shelter I adopted her from, she was being held by hoarders who had like a hundred other rabbits. And she was so terrified of all of us. She has a ripped ear. weren't tended to when I adopted her. She was covered in pee. Like she was in a terrible,

terrible condition. Um, and she was really standoffish to everybody, uh, in our family. At first, when I brought her home, she was really scared of everybody understandably. And, um, it was really heartbreaking to me because she, she thought I was going to hurt her. And that, that of course broke my heart because I wanted her to feel safe. So after months of making her know that I was never going to hurt her, none of us were ever going to hurt her, she wasn't ever going to be hurt again. And that I was just showing her so much love and compassion. to a much more open, loving creature. And kind of seeing what human compassion could do to an animal just gave me a new awareness that I had never understood before where human actions directly affect the animals that we coexist with. You may not have understood that, but you had it in yourself all along because it takes a very specific person to say, I'm going to take the rabbit that's all beat up from the

shelter rather than going to the pet store and getting the rabbit that's all groomed and cute. Absolutely. So that is clearly part of who you are. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, except for our poor dogs growing up. We're like, oh, it took the rabbit to make you realize animals were important. Thanks. You left the part out that you had dogs. I always say that. Well, we talked about this recently. And turtles.

But it's because all of, before we knew, before I was aware, before anybody was aware that it wasn't ethical to purchase an animal rather than adopt. We had bought all our dogs, so they didn't know trauma. We bought them all when they were babies, and they came from a pet store,

and they were probably not treated well at the pet store, but they were all really young, and we paid money for them. They didn't really know much trauma. Whereas when I adopted my rabbit, she was already two years old and had lived through two years of trauma and had PTSD. So like I was surrounded by animals, but they were all, they, they, they didn't know anything except love and happiness. So like, they were great too. They're great. Yeah. Somewhere the dog's like, thanks. But it wasn't, they definitely, I wasn't going to look at my yellow Labrador and be like, oh, what's your trauma? Like, what have you been through? But I was looking at my rabbit with a

torn in half ear who is traumatized and has PTSD. And I, I could see that in her and felt something. So yeah, the dogs are awesome too. It's like my trauma is that I live with a little girl who doesn't love me as much as a rabbit. But maybe don't use that, that calculus when choosing your boyfriend. You have a boyfriend. Yeah. Yeah. He came into boyfriend. Yes. She's got a good boyfriend. She's been quarantining. Yeah, yeah. He came into quarantine

with us and he's like a good dude. I know I'm like, as a dad, I'm supposed to be like, I don't like this guy. I think you love him. Yeah, he's a good dude.

You've said that you love him. You guys are like making some kind of sitcom spoof at home. Like you're all cramped up so you're like, let's make a TV show. Yeah,

CBS is doing this TV show called The Celebrity Show Off, which is an Americanized version of a Korean show called My Little TV, where they get people who, I hesitate to call myself a celebrity, but people who you might recognize. And since we're all stuck at home, they're like uh you can't have a crew we're gonna send you a package you make a show in your house using what you got and then every week people get you know voted off like these are the best ones this is the one didn't get the most votes you get kicked off and stuff it's like a 10-week program contest every week

that we stay in like there's money goes to charity and stuff like that um so you know when they presented it i was like um all right yes i mean i'm home i got nothing to do right so most of the people were doing uh two camera shows meaning like hi i'm this person and you're in my house and blah blah blah so i was like well if everyone's doing that maybe we'll do something a little different like you know if i could anything I want, let's do a little sitcom, like, and we'll call it sun and lockdown. And it's predicated on like Austin living with us, but like a fictional version of Austin, who's like really tough to take. So it would give me a chance to like, not just be involved with the show, but i can do it with the family we can all be involved and stuff have a good time and so um we kind of move forward with it and uh it's it's

been interesting man like uh they're the show begins june i want to say 23rd or something like that next week on tbs but they put up the short that we made already online. And I think that's where people, they'll see which ones are popular or not or something. So working with the kid, like I've worked with her before, but working with her boyfriend was nice. Cause we've just spent like, you know, she's how long you've been dating them? Eight, nine months or something like that. So I've known him as her boyfriend in that capacity. And then I've known him as somebody who lives in the house over the course of the quarantine. But it's completely different when it's like, all right, now let's act.

Right. And so I think both of us got to spend time with each other in that way. It was like, oh, right on. The last piece of the puzzle. That's so interesting to hear you say that because it's so true. He seems nice, but can I direct him? No, that's literally what it is. He's like, can I get something out of you?

What do you bring to the table? I was like, you, he's funny. You are a, oh my God, is that how I occur to you? That is what it is. Well, her life experience is like- There's a description for that. Somebody who's like- I act in his projects.

We're doing a podcast together. Now we're doing a podcast together. Now we're doing a TV show with my boyfriend. Like, is there any part of my life that's outside of the view askew universe? What you miss though is a big breakthrough moment. And if we went to therapy, family therapy, that would have been huge where she really broke me down to my essence to be like, oh, he likes him now because he sees that he can be useful. It's well known throughout the house. What do you mean?

Other people talk about this? Yes. Let's just take a moment. Like my wife? Your mom? Yes. Oh, this is good. This is like therapy.

Your parents-in-law. What, they've all said that like- I think because, how do I say this? Yeah, step lightly. how do i say this um yeah step lightly how do i say this um i mean you definitely liked austin before right yes yes um but there was a absolute new level of acceptance where he was suddenly on my radar he was suddenly not someone who simply lived in our house but someone you could perhaps love. That only happened once he gave you something.

Once I was like, oh, not only is he useful to you, he's useful to me as well. And you love him because he's useful to you. So now it took me time to be like, oh, I found a use for Austin and now I have Austin as well. But you're actually doing something for him too. Like now the guy's going to be on TV. Well, but he's an actor. Was he an actor before?

He's an actor. He's been in like, he was in what, Scary Stories to Tell in the Dark. That's a pretty big audience. But he, I mean, he- But thank you, Rich. That's how I felt. I'm like, I'm putting your boy on television.

And she's like, he's been in a Walmart commercial, bro. I'm like, all right. He was really excited because he was like, I mean, is this a secret that you didn't know? We've all been like trying to find a way for you to get closer to Austin because like Nan and Pop, my grandparents, my mom's parents are really close with my boyfriend. Like we've traveled together. They are. They're naturally close. It's a little weird.

They play ping pong together. Yeah. My pop and my boyfriend play ping pong and like we all play pool together pretty much every night. It's pretty cute and wholesome. And then my mom has gotten to know him too by him living at our house. And you were kind of the last person where it was like, what? And it's not like,

you're not really the type of person who's like, let's sit down and get to know each other. Unless it's like, unless there's a podcast to do. Yeah, unless there's a podcast. It has to be productive. This gets to like a bigger thing, which is that your dad is a closet grinder.

I mean, I don't know how much in the closet you are about that. I mean, you kind of like to hold yourself out. Oh, I like to watch TV and sit on the couch and I'm lazy and all of that. But like, you have this insane work ethic. I mean, you came off, you make the reboot movie, you do this crazy tour, 60,

I don't know how many cities. 65 cities. Yeah, 65 cities. Then you're in lockdown. When you're in lockdown, you're writing like a bunch of scripts and making this TV show. Like you can't-

That's out of like fear. That's like, I don't even know if it's a work ethic as much as like, I have to keep making stuff because what if this doesn't work? What if this doesn't work? What if this doesn't work? I think you do have a really, really incredible work ethic. You do.

Because at this point- But it's predicated on fear. It's like, I don't ever want to go back to having a real job. Like, you've never had a real job. But you don't honestly still worry about that at this point. Oh, God, yes. Absolutely. You wake up thinking, I might have to go get a job.

I mean, every day of my life, I go, maybe this is it. This is the last day where they're like, we have no more fucking use for you, you and your silly stories. And I look at my like output and what I do and it is getting more and more insular. Like, you know, Jay and Silent Bob reboot was a fun movie, but it really helped if you'd seen six, seven other movies prior to that. Next movie I'm probably going to make is Twilight of the Mallrats. Really help if you saw Mallrats rats which came out 25 years ago i'm working on a show for netflix which is uh masters of the universe also comes from ip out of the 80s like everything i do is predicated on the past or my very small world of things so i always wonder if like since I'm not really talking about the future, barely the present, but I'm never really like trying to be a Chris Nolan. Who's like, I'm going to make tenant man.

And like, it's going to blow your mind sooner or later. They're going to turn around and be like, we'd rather use this space for somebody with new ideas. We don't want to see clerks again. Is that what you think about? Every day of my life. I don't fret about it, but it's definitely in the back of my head. That's what makes me work where I'm like, one day I won't be useful to them and no one will pay me to entertain them. And I'll have to go back to quick stop. And I don't want to do that because when I go back to quick stop, they'll be like, Hey, Hollywood, I guess it didn't work out. You know, after 26, 30 years later, I don't want to eat crow 30 years after that, Rich.

I want to eat crow at all because I'm a vegan. When you're done, yes. When you're done, I vow to support you. You don't have to ever go back. Why do you think we had you? I'm like, let's get one of these kids that acts and make some of that lucra, and then we not work ever. You dipped your toe into, you know,

you made the Bruce Willis movie and, you know, you kind of explored that territory and it was what it was. But, you know, this appreciation for your fan base and the love that they have for the particular thing that you do that nobody else can do. Kevin Smith. I think there's, you know, that's beautiful. You know what I mean?

Like you have this audience that adores you, you know? She's laughing because I said Kevin Smith. And the fact that like- That's all I do, I do Kevin Smith for a living. You make these movies and you do them essentially outside of the studio system. You take it on the road and you show up for those people in a very real way.

Like we were talking before the podcast, you're like doing these live shows, there's 1,000, 1,500 people, whatever, you stay after, you're hugging hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people. Like that tactile, like one-on-one connection that you have with your audience is rare and special. And the fact that you care about that, I think not only distinguishes you from what people might imagine,

somebody of your stature, like Hollywood celebrity, thinks about and cares about. Let me ask you that. But I think there's more longevity. Do you think I have a stature? Like you're outside the situation. Yeah, you're like, you're, look, come on. Your dad's a celebrity, right?

Like people know who he is. They've seen your movies. But I mean, what does that mean at the end of the day? I don't know. I don't know what it means. To me, because I always think about it means, it's like, I'm not saying this, like I feel old, but it's like all of it is, it's old stuff.

Well, it's ultimately it's meaningless, but I guess what I'm getting at is that with that— Well, I didn't mean that, and now you're really insulting me, Rich. I mean, clerks meant a lot to me. You know, like, you've been around long enough to know what the value of this is. In a world where you're not saying something new, but always saying something old or reminding people of something old, how much of a future can one possibly have? And yet, this is the weird conundrum of my life. Even though I'm like engaged with the past, I'm still functioning in the present. Like I don't

understand why I still have a job or a following. Cause I haven't said anything new in, in years. Last new thing I said was yoga hosers and everyone was like, shut up. So like, you know, most of my stuff is engineered to things I've done before or things that have gone by even comic book men. The show we had on AMC for seven seasons was a fun show. But like at the end of the day, when I looked at that show, I was like, this is also nostalgia and sentimentality. It's all predicated on people bringing in old things and us sitting around going like, Oh my God, I remember having that. So I've come to grips with post-heart attack. That is my role. People are most comfortable with me talking about the

past. When I start talking about the future, they're like, hey, Tusk boy, maybe not so much the future with you, but we loved the nineties and you were the man back then. So I still am in the nineties business. I don't think of it in terms of new and old. You know, I think of it in terms of what people love you for and what they care about. Like, you're, you know, you have this, you know, kind of, you had this mentorship student relationship with Stan Lee, right?

Like, he was your dude. So you could look at him and say, well, everything, you know, all the stuff that he was doing is in the past. It's not, though. It's in the present as well. It's very much part of the consciousness. Like, I don't think that your stuff- It's true, he was a guy that did his work years before. Look at all this stuff around us.

Like this stuff has been around for decades and decades and decades, but people don't think of it where it falls on a timeline. He got to see it embraced by the mainstream. He got to see his creations embraced in two different ways. Once when he first created them and he had the comic book marketplace to himself. And for years, like those characters were viable,

met him tons of stories. So he got to see that world embrace those characters. But then on top of it, he got to see the rest of the world embrace his characters. Can you imagine? It's like you created Iron Man decades ago and you thought you've gotten everything you can get out of Iron Man, a bunch of comic books. They did them in as a cartoon, there've been toys. And then one day somebody is like, we're going to redefine this shit. We're going to bring it

into the people's real life so much so that your mother is going to know who Iron Man is, that it's Tony Stark and stuff. All of the dude's work got a brand new lease on life. And he was here to appreciate it. Not only that, they stuck him into every one of those movies so that people would play this Where's Waldo game of like, see that guy? That's Stan Lee. He created these characters and stuff.

Nobody, nobody gets to enjoy it that good twice in a lifetime. That's how special that man was, how beautiful he was. Because good things only come to people that deserve it. And that dude had two brilliant lifetimes where everyone stood up and was like, you are the man in two completely different eras. He lived long enough. He was 95, 96 almost when he died. But in two completely different eras, he was celebrated by two completely different audiences, all encompassing audiences.

I always, that takes my breath away. I loved when the last one came out, when Endgame came out, and the first thing they put up was the Marvel logo that was nothing but Stan Lee shots from all those Marvel movies. And at the end it said, thank you, Stan. Like you heard fucking people sobbing in a theater for an old man who told them some stories a few years ago. To have that kind of impact in a life, one could only dream about being that guy. So believe me, whenever I was with Stan, I always kept an open ear and an open eye because I'd love to be that guy. I'll never be that guy. He created some legit characters that make billions of bucks. He created Iron Man, Spider-Man, co-created. I created Jane Zalabov. So there's worlds apart,

of course. But even in, just in terms of creating something and standing by it, he was also my role model. He was the guy that would tub thump for comics. Like I remember nine years old, my father waking me up and being like, come in, come, come watch Good Morning America. Spider-Man's dad is on TV. And I knew exactly who he meant. And it was the first time I laid eyes on him. And here was a grown-ass adult. You know, I'm a child at this point.

He's a grown-ass man on television. And whenever I see television, the grown-ups generally speaking about grown-up shit. Here's a grown-ass man on television talking about shit that was of interest to me, talking about Spider-Man, talking about comic books, talking about superheroes. I fell in love like an early age where I'm like, that's who I want to be when I grow up. Like if this guy, he can make it work.

Every adult I knew was so serious and so earnest and so grew up. They had to, they had the weight of the world on their shoulders, trying to support families and stuff. Here was an adult, seemed like a grandfather figure who talked in joyous terms about the shit that meant something to you. So I was so happy to see across the spectrum of his life, particularly in the last 20 years, that the whole world knew his name. Everybody knew this guy's name at the end of the day. In the comic book community, he was a God to us. We all knew his name. That was Stan. That the whole world embraced that guy, that meant everything. It meant everything to us. We all knew his name. That was Stan. That the whole world embraced that guy, that meant everything. It meant everything to him. He went out there. You want to talk about a work ethic,

Jesus. That guy was 95 years old. He'd get up and he'd have a full schedule of things to do. And maybe one of them had to do with making money. The rest of them had to do with making people happy. So if I can live long enough where I can be that functionary, you know what I'm saying? Just like Stan, his best creative days were in the early days, and then he spent the rest of his career talking about that time and being a ambassador for comics in general. That would be a way to go for me.

If I can last in this business as that guy, that'd be amazing. But can you take even a fraction of what you just said and apply it to yourself? Because what I'm saying is, if Stanley came to you on the cusp of, you know, being a God in the comic book world, but not yet embraced by the rest of the world, if he came to you and said, Kevin, people only care about what I did in the past. Nobody wants

to hear about this. What would you say to that guy? You're insane. I told him he was crazy on one occasion. We were having a conversation and we were talking about writing. And, you know, Stan was always in Stan mode. And he delivered exactly the person that you hope to meet when you met Stan Lee. And, you know, we talked about comics, talked about characters and stuff. I've known him across, you know, almost 25 years. So I got to talk to him about many things. And I remember one day having a conversation where he was talking about feeling like a failure because he had always

wanted to write the great American novel. And he's like, and still I haven't done it. And I was like, Stan, like you overshot the great American novel. You created the great American mythology. You know, most of a book, fuck a book. You created you created a religion like it look how it's gonna speak for hundreds of years after your passing my passing like you did write the great american novel and it's a it's a fucking comic book and you did it again and again could you hear that look stan lee knew exactly who Stan Lee was. You know, like Stan Lee created many great characters,

but the greatest creation of Stan Lee was Stan Lee himself. Stan Lee Lieber created Stan Lee and wore Stan Lee like a costume, like that sweater he would put on. So I guarantee you that Stan knew exactly that he had overshot the book. But, you know, we're creatives. At the end of the day, take everything away. Stan is a creative and was a creative and a creative has an ego

and an ego likes to be stroked. So in that moment, Stan was just like, I didn't write the great American novel. And then looking to me, I was like, oh, but Stan, you did so much more. And he was like, you're right, Kevin, you're right. That's funny, man. That's so funny.. And he was like, you're right, Kevin. You're right. That's funny, man. That's so funny.

How have, this is, we rarely get a chance to do this. How has your journey been? I mentioned at the beginning of the podcast, like how well-traveled that episode I did was, how I found as I went out in the world. When I went on the Reboot Roadshow Tour, a lot of the people who I saw afterwards during the VIP experience, people come and take pictures with you backstage and stuff.

Like, I loved you on Rich Roll. Like, you know, and some people, of course, like they look healthy and stuff. So you're like, well, that makes sense. But just in general, man, like how have you found functioning now in the real world? Like for lack of a better description, you're famous. Harley, you see what he's doing right now? for lack of a better description, you're famous. Harley, you see what he's doing right now? He did exactly like that. I know, I know.

Two things, you just did exactly, you just illustrated the story you just told. And being a true podcast host, you're trying to flip it. Oh my God. I'm always more comfortable. So I'll indulge you for a second. Go ahead. Turn it back on you. Very kind of you, thank you.

It's wild. You know, this medium is so much more powerful than I would have ever imagined getting into it. What about during quarantine? Have you found more activity or interactivity or less interactivity with the shows since we've all been on lockdown? It's remained pretty much consistent.

There's a little bit of a dip. I mean mean people's listening habits change because they're not commuting and they're not going to the gym oh is that right

see I would have put it the other way where it's just like everyone's got more free time I guess I'll listen to this but you're right

if you're not doing your habits they have their habits in their schedule so that's been a little bit of a shift

and then we all had to kind of go and do zoom calls and all that kind of junk Carly and I were talking

about that ahead of time and I was like, done with that. So, here we are. The delay is always- We got the antibody test though. We're all healthy. We did. I'm wearing a band-aid because we got an antibody test, which it was A, good to have, but B, depressing to learn that I have not had COVID yet. You have not had it. Both of you convinced that you had it. It's crazy that you didn't after going to all those cities. A lot of interactivity with a lot of different folks. And all the press. And a lot of different weather climates.

And now they're saying that we keep marking COVID coming into the country from late February into March. They're saying now some cases they believe predate the end of the year. march they're saying now some cases they believe predate the end of the year yeah like you know there was a i think the hollywood reporter did a piece on there were a bunch of people sick at sundance in january right and a lot of these symptoms are the same i was there you know i remember interviewing what's her name um uh julia louis-dreyfus and she was like really sick but like she was trying to soldier through for the movie she was there for so it might have gone back as far as that so I I would have been sure that somewhere along the lines that I had it although not as bad as you know we've we've seen other cases but apparently not so we're ripe for the taken and you know based on the news reading this

morning we should all be staying inside a lot longer. I know. Yeah, after this we'll go home and not leave for a long time. I had to actually be like, we're talking about going to do this at Sideshow because I'm engaging in the world. I'm wearing a mask when I go out and stuff, but I've gone to do stuff still and maintained like streaming schedules.

But Harley has really treated lockdown very, very seriously. How has it been for you? It's been really hard for my kids. Yeah, I think the most difficult part is that I just feel so protective over my grandparents. And they live with us. And I just can't bear the thought of one of my actions leading them to suffer from COVID. So I'm not really scared. I really genuinely thought I had it because I did get sick at the beginning

right after we got back from New Orleans, right after Mardi Gras. We were there the day after. And I did get sick, so I really thought that I must have had it. The test was like a good news, bad news. I know. And I'm kind of like, well, fuck. You don't have it and you didn't have it. Real let down.

I know. I'm like, oh my God. I wish I'd been sick. But I'm not scared about myself getting it or my boyfriend. I am kind of scared about my dad because of your heart. Yeah, for a while. He's not scared. But I kept hearing about like young people and old

people i'm like well i'm right in the middle and then they're like it's also people who suffer from things i'm like i don't suffer from anything and they're like it's also people who've had hard to act you idiot i'm like oh wait that's me i've had one i feel really protective over everybody else and i can't control my dad um so he does go out he's safe but like i can't if i had a choice i would would be like, please stay home. We got in one of our only fights. Yes, we got in a very big fight. Because you wanted to leave.

Because he had his friend over to record a podcast. Because a friend of his, do you want to mention, flew across the country, didn't get tested, came to our house the day after. Like after flying, after coming from New Jersey, which was initially. Was he coming from New Jersey? Yeah, he lives in Michigan. Okay, whatever. He was flying.

And then he came to our house the day after. And I was so. At first, you gave me the silent treatment. I ignored him. I ignored him I ignored him I saw him like we were going on this this um walking route every day and we would go sometimes together but sometimes at different times and uh my boyfriend and I were coming back home while him and his friend were going up the hill and I just um she even talked to me i just ignored him i was when i got home i was like she gave me the sign i was just so upset because

i like i decayed me she's like don't know i was just so protective over my grandparents and it was scaring me so much and I could pretty much ensure that they weren't gonna leave at all they had like one doctor's appointment that they had to go to but other than that they were home and I could like sanitize everything that came into the house for a while yeah I was it was very much controlling the environment and then my dad just brought this whole other factor in which I was like what what the fuck? This is so, this, I just felt so blindsided and so betrayed. And- It was, she was very like, she wrote this text, group text to the family about me where I was like, you could have just

talked to me about it. It was really bad. It was really bad. It was like a week long fight. That's your job, you know, until your parents are knuckleheads and don't know what they're doing, this is supposed to happen. But I think it's also very confusing. The goalposts are always moving. The information that we're getting is always changing. And we can always default to being as protective as possible. And obviously, it's much more heightened for you having your grandparents there. And the stakes are a lot higher. But you go out into the world and it's like some people are in masks, some people aren't. Some people are pretending like nothing's going on and some people are all freaked out.

And that creates tension and all kinds of weirdness out there. And then meanwhile, just down the street from you guys, there's thousands of people pouring out into the street, you know, celebrating and protesting. We were three of them at one point. We joined the Hollywood March, the first March that they did in Hollywood, which was probably, I guess, about two weeks ago now. Yeah. And that was, it was so weird because after like being careful and all that, like suddenly you're so seized by the moment. You're just like, forget it. Let's go.

you're so seized by the moment you're just like that's why it took forget it let's go it was such a weird thing because the protests were going on for probably four or five days before the one that we went to and my boyfriend and i were having a really difficult time because we wanted to be there so badly from the start but then we kept saying no we can't because what then like this quarantine would be thrown out the window. We could just be exposed to thousands of people. All that work we did. Yeah. And bring it back to my grandparents in one, in like one day. But then my grandparents, um, were going to Nevada. They just got a house there. So they were going there, um, the next day. So my dad, they were going there um the next day so my dad my boyfriend and I decided to go like since we knew they weren't going to be home um but it was just it's just such complicated

feelings about it too because everything's reopening right now and it's really hard to process because you see so many people like in restaurants again but you also see the news and see that there are so many cases still so it's just all very hard to process yeah and very confusing the other day you were like i'm thinking about going to crossroads did you go or no no i did because it's just so weird they reopened they reopened i want to go but at the same time i'm like believe me we kept crossroads in business during the quarantine. She was like, I'm thinking about going to crossroads. It was like,

you have went to crossroads every night at our own house for the last three months. Big supporters of crossroads. But I, I don't know. It's just so weird and very, it's hard for my mind to process, like seeing everybody out as if nothing ever really happened and people

eating in restaurants and, and gyms are opening and stuff. And it's just very weird to process. So I was going to go to crossroads the other day, but then I was like, well, I could, or I could just stay home. Do you miss restaurant eating? I don't like, I still eat. So it's not like I haven't eaten in three months I just I miss being with people without being tentative around it's like when are we gonna you know it's not necessarily the restaurant itself it's like when when can we just walk into an establishment and sit down and hang out with our friends without thinking about like yeah I'm getting sick right now or am I making somebody else sick or being worried about washing your hands and all that kind of, I mean, is it,

what's it going to take before we can, about two years in a vaccine, probably. Life has changed irrevocably. And I know like, naturally we're as a country, as a species, we're like, knock us down, we'll get right back up. But like, as we're seeing, as numbers continue to go up in these states that have opened early, like this is no joke. You can't just because like other crises have popped up and stuff. You can't diminish this one just because the government is going like, no, feel free. Open up. You can't diminish this. Numbers continue to rise. I just read a story today about a bunch of cats in Florida. One of them, a nurse who was just like, we all went out to a bar, all 16 of us got diagnosed with covid two days later i read that same story and she's like i'm i regret it she's like i'm stupid i shouldn't have done it like we all took off masks we did not social distance i should have known better now i'm paying for it so

she was urging others to take it more seriously yeah so yeah even though the guidelines are like hey we can go out now like although tonight we're doing a thing, a streaming event for, we got a pop-up. Yeah, this Moody's, right? Yeah, tell me about this. So we got in the movies a fake fast food joint called Moobies, which was first introduced in a movie I made called Dogma. Then we put it in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. It was also in Clerks 2,

and most recently it was in jane solemn bob reboot so these cats in town um who've done theme restaurants derrick berry's genius he comes out of chicago they did in chicago this saved by the max pop-up restaurant so on the tv show saved by the bell they would hang out at the max diner they recreated it and so people were like this is great so he took it to los angeles and moved out here derrick did and started another restaurant like took a rented the space refurbished it turned it into the max did that for a couple months then closed it for a month then reopened it as good burger from like the movie the nickelodeon sketch comedy comedy, all that. Um, and then close it and then reopened

it as, um, Poyos Hermanos from Breaking Bad. So he's in this theme restaurant business where he flips the theme every few months. So he reached out and was like, what if we did movies? Because they were supposed to be doing something for Clueless because it was Clueless's 25th anniversary. And then Paramount, I guess, you know, because the quarantine was about to happen like we're not doing this and they walked away so he had an open window and he's like you got a fast food joint what about movies so we knew we couldn't open the restaurant because nobody going out nobody allowed to go out but food delivery was still a thing so derek was like what if we did like a happy meal box like movie meals and stuff and we can donate all the money that we make, you know, cause it'll be like an advertisement for us eventually doing

the pop-up restaurant. So a teaser to see how it plays. We donate all the money to a charity. It was called no us without you, which was a charity for restaurant workers that were now without jobs because of the quarantine and stuff. So it was when went across the board. And then the only thing I said was like, can we do vegan option? Because I'm vegan. He's like, yeah, we do whatever we're doing. We'll do a vegan version of it. So we offered this Mubi meal, which was like he'd been working with Secret Lasagna, the restaurant. Right.

A chef named Chef Royce. So he was like, we're with Secret Lasagna. Can you work lasagna into it i was like you take lasagna you put between two pieces of bread that's a lasagna sandwich that's in the meal he's like all right what else i was like you put hater tots in because they were just in jane sound bob reboot tater tots and you put chocolate covered pretzels in there and that's from mall rats i'll sign a card and bam that's that'll be it so we opened and first we were on postmates and then we crashed the app twice la postmates because people were hitting it so hard postmates very politely asked us to leave

because we couldn't do it correctly and so we went to another reservation system where they wouldn't deliver they could come and pick it up at a point in time. So now, this was last month, and it went really well, and we raised like 10 grand, I think it was. Really wonderful, but a great indicator that if we actually do the pop-up version, people will come. So Derek and his crew, Floyd is his art director, went into their space and completely turned it into what looks like one of the movies from one of the features i've done you can see like in the place there's a quick stop like exterior and an rst exterior from clerks the movie i made um there's some mall rats exteriors like photograph city it's selfie city all around the place so the way it is now is uh we open officially tomorrow um you can't just walk up to it you can walk up to and look through the windows but You can't just walk up to it. You can walk up to it and look through the windows,

but you can't just walk in. Reservation system only. Go to moviespopup.com. They give you a time and a reservation. You pick your entire meal. It's almost a cashless exchange. You could do it all completely online so that you show up.

You got your number. You're good to go. While you're there, you could do all the selfies you want. We have a patio. So if you want to eat outside, you're there, you could do all the selfies you want. We have a patio. So if you want to eat outside, you can, there's no dining in the restaurant because of the quarantine and stuff, but you can take the food home of course, but you come and spend as long as you want and then you're off. How long is that going to be open for? Probably like, he says that they

do them for like one to two months based on popularity. So it would only be there, I figure max like for like two months. But it sounds like it's only be there, I figure, max for like two months. But it sounds like it's super popular. Why not just keep it rolling? Because honestly, like to me, I was like, as a business person or somebody who fancies himself in business, I'm like, if it's selling so well, just keep doing it. But Derek's point is like, look, I love what we're doing.

It's the limited run that makes the difference. That's what makes it for him. He's like, I love what we're doing. It's the limited run that- That's what makes it for him. He's like, that's what makes it exciting. Like they get to switch kitchens, chefs, menus, concepts, and then his entire crew gets to artistically express themselves as they remake the restaurant into something else. So I get it.

Like on one level, I'm like, hey, if it's working, let's make it real. But on the other hand, that's not what he does. He's like, for me, the fun of the job is like, it changes all the time. He's like, just like in your world, he's like, you don't work on clerks every day. He's like, you did it. And then you do other things. But you do when this is done. I told him you're wrong, Derek. I still work on clerks. I'm sure that's the last word I'll utter as I die. Just like, you know, how Citizen Kane was like,

Rose, but I'll be like, I made Clerks and then die. It's gotta be wild reflecting on the fact that, you know, when Clerks came out, that was a very special time in independent film. You know, like this big Sundance era where these auteurs were, you know, emerging the Soderberghs and of course Tarantino, right? And then for you to like work on like

this incredible movie with him. I mean, it has to be a great point of pride for you, but what was that experience like for you, Harley, working with Quentin? Like, what do we not know about that mad genius? I mean, it was a mind-blowing experience. I thought it was completely off the table because I had auditioned for it

and the audition was really uh different from most uh you had the opportunity to write your own monologue from the perspective of someone from the manson family so because we all think of him as the greatest writer like and so you would imagine like well you're going to audition with like a monologue from a Quentin Tarantino movie. Or he'll give you a notebook with like a 50 page story on your character. But he's so secretive about it that it stands to reason that he's like, I'm not going to give you anything. Well, he did. He gave you a real, a scene that wasn't the movie. Did he really?

Yeah. So you saw pages of the movie before? Yeah. The part with. Did you have to sign like an NDA? Yeah. I had to. At first I went to the casting office.

And usually for every audition, you just get all the information, all the scripts or the sides or the audition papers. Rather, it's all online. Like you just get it sent through email. And a lot of the time, if it's really secretive, they'll write your name across it like Harley Quinn Smith. So you can't share it. really secretive. They'll write your name across it, like Harley Quinn Smith. So you can't share it. Um, but for this, and it's the only time I've ever had to do this, you had to go in, um, like a week or a few days before the actual audition sign, uh, like many papers. And then they would hand you one set of sides, which was the one scene, which is actually in the movie. Um, and then they also

told me that I had the option to write my own monologue. So, um, I've been writing for my whole life. And so I felt, I, I felt an obligation to, to definitely, um, participate in that option. So I, I ended up doing both and, um, I i mean it went really well and i was really proud of myself but like it months passed by and i didn't hear anything so i was like oh well okay and i i was no no okay i was really bummed i was really i wish it was oh well okay but it was i was really upset i mean i was upset i was i was upset because that, that was one of the most insane opportunities I've ever had just to even audition for. And like, I, I just felt, I, I,

I felt so, so passionate about it. And, um, but months passed, I didn't hear anything and I knew they started to film. So I was like, okay, well, my ship has pursued. Oh, they already started to film. Yeah, they started to film because it was, I can't remember how many days. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure it was over 100 days of shooting, if not more. It's easily four months right there. Yeah, it was really long and then um one day i actually my mom heard through her friend who was involved in the movie and she was like why didn't you tell me harley's in this

movie and my mom was like no she's not and her friend was like she's on the call sheet i i i see her like she's on here and my mom was called me and was like what the fuck on the call sheet. I see her like she's on here. And my mom was called me and was like, what the fuck? Why didn't you tell me? And my dad and I were together that day. We had just shot the first episode of this show called DC Daily. It was that same day. And I was driving home and my mom was calling me very chaotically over the phone and like yelling at me. And I was like, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. I I'm, I'm, this movie has been shooting. I'm not in it. Um, and then my, I called my manager and I was like, I mean, I don't think this is true, but do you have any idea what this is about? And she was like, well, I didn't want to tell you,

but for like the past two or three weeks, I have been talking to casting because they told me that Quentin really wants to find a way to put you in the film. And I was like, why didn't you tell me? And she was like, but I didn't hear anything was for sure. So I don't know what this is about. And then the next day she called me and she was like,

I don't know what's happening, but whatever you heard is right. You're going to be in it. That's so crazy that you're on the call sheet and nobody had called you to tell her. Yeah, no, no. It was just such a weird. Uncalled sheet.

And they were like, can you be here tomorrow? Like, did it happen quickly? If you were on the call sheet, then I would suspect that shooting must have followed shorter. It was for a hair. Yeah, it was something involving like costume and hair and makeup. I don't remember how long after that I was shooting, but it was just, it was so unexpected. Like that shit was so far gone in my head. Also caused one, well, I was going to say one of the only fights,

certainly not one of the only fights, but a fight with my wife at the time. Because Harley auditioned and then there was no word back. And you know, Harley was all sad and shit. And Jennifer came into the office one day and she's like, you know, Quentin, don't you? And I was like, oh no, not like that. I don't. I was like, I would have hated you. I said that to her. I said, that's how well I know my daughter. Cause I was like, number one, I, I don't have that relationship with him where I can call him up and be like,

Hey, can you put my kid in your movie? I said, I would never do that. And my wife goes, well, you don't make Quentin Tarantino movies, do you? And I was like, that's not the point, man? I said, I would never do that. And my wife goes, well, you don't make Quentin Tarantino movies, do you? And I was like, that's not the point, man. I said, but number two, imagine I do that and imagine it worked and imagine she finds out we're fucked for life. Cause then she didn't earn it. It's something that we did. And so it's not, she'll never be happy. Like you get one moment of happiness where she's like, I got the part. Then when the truth comes out, we're fucked for life. I was like, no, she wants to be in this business.

This business is 99% fucking rejection. Everyone gets told no. So let her learn, man. Like, this is how you learn whether you want to be in this business. And then she got a fucking yes. And I'm like, she'll never learn. Well, she, he also like really did not believe in me you when i got not for when i got this audition and i was talking about it and i mean it was such

a big thing it was crazy to to even get an audition for this film he had he saw definitely less than 100 people for like every female part in the Manson family. And you weren't auditioning for any specific person. It was just a Manson family member. And I told my dad because it was so exciting. And he was like, yeah, you're not going to. I did not say you're not going to get it, but I was like, don't get your hopes up. Everybody. I said, you know, cause she was like, there's this movie I really want to be in. And I've been reading books about it. And I watched a documentary about the subject matter. And she's like, have you ever heard of a man named Charles Manson? And I was like, yeah, I think once in the seventies, I'm

sure I heard his name. I was like, why do you ask? And she's like, because Quentin Tarantino is making a movie about Charles Manson. And I was like, oh my God. I said, kiddo, I want to be in that movie. Like everyone wants to be in that movie. Like you just, you got to lower your expectations. I literally said, I was like, do like your mom when she married me and lower your expectations, man. Cause that's like a high bar. I said, I just read Jane Fonda said she wanted to be in that movie.

So I was like, you know, I'm a parent. I don't want to see her get her heart broken. And I did see it. Like when she didn't get the part broken. And I did see it. Like when she didn't get the part, it was misery in that house. So I felt like, you know, put her expectations in check. She could always be in a Kevin Smith movie,

but like, you know, most actors are like, I've done that. I don't want to do it. But she got it, man. But she got it. And that was- That was me that everybody wanted me to be in. Yes. And those scenes-

And I felt like a fuck afterwards because I'm like lower your expectations that was the dopest part he didn't believe in me it's not that I didn't believe in you it seemed like it wasn't going to happen but then it happened and I was like he's trying to protect you

do you remember too there was a period too where it didn't seem like it was going to happen where I was like you know what fuck Quentin Tarantino you ain't got to worry about him and then when she got the part I was like oh my god what? Fuck Quentin Tarantino. You ain't got to worry about him. And then when she got the part, I was like, oh my God. This is amazing for both of us. I was so happy because like Quentin, Reservoir Dogs is one of the movies that made me feel like, oh, I could make a movie. And not because I looked at Reservoir Dogs and said, I'll do a jewel heist.

I remember seeing the movie on 3rd Avenue in Nework city want to go to see a matinee with my friend vincent and it opens of course with you know them talking about madonna's song like a virgin so a very unlikely crew of people dissecting pop culture essentially and i remember like that is transformative i was just like this counts as a dialogue in a movie. You can literally just talk about some fucking song. Like if this counts as dialogue, I think I could write dialogue because me and my friends, we sit around, we talk about Star Wars in the same way. So I could draw you a direct line from Reservoir Dogs to Clerks. to clerks um i could draw you a direct line from pulp fiction which we saw on the croisette in in uh can like before anybody else um or is it the shams no it's the closet um before anybody

else at a preview screening for critics and stuff before it was in competition and that movie shaped what dogma became because quentin could do these breathtaking changes in tone where you could be laughing and they could shoot Marvin's face off and you're like, shit just got real, you know? So I, the man influenced what I did and I've, I've met him of course.

And I've known him for, for years. Not like we're not like super fucking tight, but he was a big fan of, believe it or not, Jane Silent Bob strike back. That was a weird one. Chasing Amy.

He absolutely loved on Charlie Rose one day. He was like, Strike Back. That was a weird one. Chasing Amy, he absolutely loved. On Charlie Rose one day, he was like, my favorite movie this year was Chasing Amy. He's like, Kevin Smith took a quantum leap. So he's always been a big figure in my career. To hear her go like, he cast me, like, that was everything. You know, as a parent, I was proud as fuck. But as a professional, I was like, oh, like, that's unlikely. So no, I was never like, I don't believe in you. Clearly not. Cause I've cast in your shit, but I did say lower your

expectations, man. Like many people would love to be an acquaintance. It was the protective instinct. It was out of love, but it was really dope to be able to be like, yes. In your face, silent bill. And I'm like, Bob. And for people that don't know, I mean, you were on the Spahn Ranch, part of the Manson family. I mean, those scenes were like so haunting. And when you watch the movie, it doesn't take up a ton of screen time,

but that was like a month of shooting, right? Yeah, we were there for a really long time. And you spent a lot of time with the rest of the cast, like creating that family atmosphere. Yeah, it took a long time to shoot what was on the ranch because everything is on film too so it takes um that just even a bit longer um than it would just shooting digitally so um there was that aspect but also there's just nothing but money and time so like we all just there was never any

rush that was like pressure well the day's almost over maybe we should go faster like it was it was just very so relaxed um and it just really did feel like a summer camp of the sorts we were all hanging out we all didn't have our phones uh we had to check in our phones every day so we were all just together and you don't let you bring phones on a set wow i mean number one he's making a period piece so he's like that wouldn't be there man but number two he's smart it just right everybody focuses on their work or familial atmosphere because like you only get that opportunity once making a movie is like going to camp like every movie is like summer camp and some summer camps are more fun than others and stuff but like it's always this once-in-a-lifetime experience

and while you're doing it you're like it's gonna be like this forever but smart money understands that like this is a moment in time even when you're making a tv show episodically you think like oh this goes on and on and on it ends and when it ends you fucking miss it like because you realize i have to go back to the real world and shit like i'd rather just make pretend i'd rather be an artist i'd rather play for a living so it's smart that he's like leave your fucking cell phones off number one it's smart for production and you don't have to worry about people taking pictures and stuff but number two it forces everybody to embrace the moment live in the moment and be like we're doing this and

this is never gonna happen happen again, man. I think every single person too would be full of regret if after the experience they were like, oh, I was on a Quentin Tarantino set and I was not fully immersed in the situation. I was on my phone. Yeah, I would have hated myself. So it definitely provided for a really special atmosphere. And you made friends with like yeah like a lot of people she's still friends with and stuff i saw the girl the girl who gets kilt in the pool and spoilers you know in the ending and shit she's my best friend yeah she's

walked in one day i was like oh my god she's vegan too what's it what's it uh what's it like when brad pitt shows up yeah um i mean it's definitely just very very surreal um but it's it was also really weird because his um his picture double looked like exactly the same as him so a lot of the time and he's playing a picture double too. Yeah, which is true. In the movie. I don't have my glasses on. So like, it's just, it's just very weird. But there's one part in the movie where we're walking across a neighborhood street and Brad and Leo are in a car having this conversation. And then they see us walking and and brad makes contact with

the character pussycat it was so weird because just seeing both of them together like in real life and at the same time like it was look at all that money it was just just so much fame. It's so weird. I mean, it is pretty surreal because I feel like both of them are like some of the most mega famous. Like that's as hot. That's like they're on the top of the mega famous list. And it's got to be this weird experience. Like for you, it's like I know what these cats look like. I'm so overly familiar with them from so many movies that they're kind of a part of my life but they have no idea who i am and that i exist 100 and then like suddenly you know they're like hi how are you and it's like being spoken to

by a movie like when a famous person you've never met talks to you like like did one of them ever speak at you or to you or what did he say what does a brad pitt just say in real life he's very very nice i mean because there was one there's one nice like just like he's like he's like puppies are cute like that kind of nice or no he's just like very friendly and like making jokes and stuff really he's friendly he's very friendly yeah it's so weird like even me i've been in business your dad is jealous of you right now i'm not jealous but i am like oddly fascinated when i shot this i was jealous because i definitely wanted to know about the story there's also my my dad likes to really be a part of everything

um that i do and i'm about to be it will one the podcast two Two, Once Upon a Time in Hollywood. Three, I'm about to be in this show for Freeform called Cruel Summer, and it's based in the 90s. And it's my first, it's like my first huge, like I'm a series regular, and it's like, I feel so thankful for it. It's like my first big thing. Yeah. Like my first TV show. Here it comes. And so, but i like i've i know i've worked very hard like i have worked very hard for this i've gone through a lot of

pain as all actors do like put in the work and i got this and i'm very proud to say fully on my own like i very much don't want my dad to be a part of my acting career because I wanted to be completely separate from him I've made that extremely clear except for the films we make together everything else everything else I like it's fully mine and I got it on my own and I pride myself a lot on that so I get my show and my dad is like I'm gonna be on your show I'm gonna find a way to get myself on this show it's based in the 90s and I'm a 90s icon like i'm gonna be on your show i'm gonna find a way to get myself on this show it's based in the 90s and i'm a 90s icon and i'm gonna be on the show and i was like fuck no there's literally no way i will leave i will i will be so upset and feel so just betrayed by the show and then he was like i'm gonna direct one i'm gonna be myself in one and like i was like, I'm going to direct one. I'm going to be myself in one. And I was like, just step away.

I want to be able to be like, she's wrong, but I believe I did use the term, I am a 90s icon. No, he did. And it makes sense because it is in the 90s. It's based on, it spans three years and it's from 93 to 95. And if I'm not mistaken, didn't Clerks come out in one of those years?

94. For people that are listening, Kevin looks so constipated right now. I'm sure there will be a reference. I'm sure there will be a reference at some point. It's got to be, right? But I just would feel better if you didn't have to be in it. But this is the father-daughter dynamic in a nutshell. It's like the daughter trying to break free and fly and the dad holding on to every last bit that he can to keep her. Which is unfair. Everything I do, I'm like, oh, do you want to come be in?

And she's like, sure. And then I'm like, what are you doing? Can I be in? And she goes, fuck off, old man. This is young people's entertainment. I've had like, I mean, I'm so lucky in a sense that I've I since my dad has been in this industry for a long time I did have like my foot in the door to have contacts with like agents and stuff like that but I also in a sense it like people always are like oh you just have an acting career because

of nepotism which is like yes I be I had a foot in acting career because of nepotism, which is like, yes, I had a foot in the door because of nepotism for sure. But I've had to face so much, like a whole different set of issues of people just having prejudgments about me and just thinking, not really thinking of myself, not thinking of me as my own person and just thinking of me as an extension of my dad. And so I worked really, really hard to make sure that I am known as my own person for my own talents in my own right and for my own activism and not just as the child of a famous person. So with that being said... Who's the famous person? Do you think I'm famous? With that being said, the path that I have worked very hard to make on my own that is not related

to my dad's success. I have very certain feelings about my dad then referring to himself as a 90s icon and putting himself in the show that I have worked very hard. That being said, listen to our new podcast together, Vegan Abattoir, which I have no problem sharing time on. That being said, I mean, I'm so thankful for the things that we do have together. It's just important to me that I also make a career of my own that's only based on the work that I've put in. I understand. I think your dad knows that. But, of course, I'm very honored to be doing Vegan Abattoir.

I'll tell you, Rich, it's real heartbreaking the day your kid outgrows you. Mine outgrew me like 15 years ago. She's just been like putting in the time out of a sense of sweetness. I fully respect that. I'm jealous of your relationship. It is very sweet.

And her mother, my wife, refers to Harley as like, she's just beardless,less you and that's not true but now she's like her own individual like you know she used to jem would always refer to like harley as my little twin and stuff like that and then as harley grew older like a lot of her personality or interests and mine are close you can't grow up in the same fucking house and not pick up some things right so her and i are more alike than her and jennifer yeah which always kind of leaves you know jennifer feeling a little bit on the outside and stuff like that but like you know i i didn't jennifer asked the other day we were talking about we

watched some fucking show and somebody had a son and she was like did you ever like miss like having a boy like a son and i was like god no not at all like i'm i'm way happy with the kid we got because she's so similar to me like what if we had a boy and he was similar to you fuck that like you know this is this is like this has been great for me. She was just like, Kevin, why? Why fuck that? The fact that Harley's been to Sideshow a couple of times and you haven't,

you know what I mean? She's living her own life. You guys are related. She's got her own path. We're super, super similar. We are really similar. Doing the podcast together has been fun. Being vegan together has been fun.

That has been the one thing like where everyone else in our house is vegetarian nan and pop uh uh jen her mom my wife but her and i are the only true like plant-based vegan so we have that kind of like hey man do you want to go to you want to go to crossroads hey man you want to order from cruiser hey man like we speak that same language we've always been very similar in other ways and stuff but now there's that as well which has been kind of adorable but also beneficial like she literally saved my life by being like come do this come do this and like every time i pop something in my mouth that's plant-based which is every time i pop something in my mouth, that's plant-based, which is every time I pop something into my mouth, I generally think like, I wouldn't have been here were it not for her. And not just for her going, please do this. She was a vegan astronaut. She'd been like, you know,

two years of vegan prior to me. So she was able to case the town and be like, this is where you can get this. This is where you can get this. So I didn't enter it into a state of ignorance, trying to figure shit out. I had somebody to hold my hand and be like, here, I know you and you would like this. And that made a transition to a plant-based lifestyle much easier. For some people who are teetering, I'd like to do it, but what if I... It's a mystery. I had somebody who had solved the mystery for herself and so was able to give me information that made me feel way more comfortable about

leaving behind 47 fucking years of a behavior, 47 years of eating a certain way. So, you know, hats off to you. I, but it all does come back to me because I did have this kid. So, and the kids saved my life. So hats off to me, Rich. I saved my life by having a kid. You kept the weight off. Like it's no small thing, man. It's pretty incredible. And it's really powerful for, you know, everybody to see that as well. Like, do people still give you shit about online and stuff like that for being vegan? No. I mean, no, because I'm very clear about, like, you know, I'm acerbic and I can be funny about it and shit.

But I've kind of dealt with it so many times online where somebody goes at me hardcore on Twitter or in a comment on Instagram, I come back, but not in a way where I'm like, fuck you or you're ignorant, but just come back in a pithy kind of way that makes that comment seem ridiculous and stuff like that. So they've stopped like coming at me like that.

But it's been more beneficial than anything else. Like for as many people who've been like, oh, you're vegan, now I'm gonna eat three times as much meat. They're in the minority. What I hear more often than not is, I went vegan because of you. I lost a bunch of weight because of you. I'm trying this because of you.

Now, the big thing I've been talking about lately is I became, well, I've been since I became a vegan, an intermittent faster. Like, you know, I was on a pretty much like a 16, 8 clock for most of the last two and a half years. Recently, I've gone to a more extreme clock, which is 20 slash 4. So 20-hour fast, 4-hour eating window. Every day?

Pretty much every damn day, except for the days when I do 72-hour fast, which is fantastic cleanse for the body also releases, you know, stem cells. Like it's, it's crazy. Wonderful for the body. A lot of people, conventional wisdom has always been like, no, you can't do that. Your body will eat its muscles and shit. Well, not if you still have stored fat, it goes right to that. And that's what the body's supposed to be doing. We're not meant to be eating three meals a day. That's not been in our genetics for that long and stuff. And as Americans, not meant to be eating three meals a day. That's not been in our genetics for that long and stuff. And as Americans, not only do we eat three meals a day,

but those three meals are giant. You got to eat a big breakfast. I haven't eaten a breakfast in over two years. I don't break my fast until minimum noon, generally two or three o'clock in the day or something. So in talking about IF a bunch, there've been some people like, you don't know what you're doing and stuff.

I'm like, no, I don't. But I've definitely been watching a lot of people who know what they're talking about, talk about it on YouTube and stuff. And you know, they're, they've got enough accreditation where I'm like, yeah, I think I can try it. And I've tried it a number of times where I'm like, I know the benefits of this, this work. So I started sharing like my clock with people where I'm like, Oh, I've been, this is my 72 hour of the fast. That's been the new pass along where now I've seen people going, I'm now doing 16, eight. Now I'm, I'm going to try for this. Like it's, it's, you know, I've liked over the last 26 years being able to be like, Hey, I like Batman. Go see this. Hey, I like Star Wars. It's really nice to be able to be like,

you're a health and wellness influencer now. Isn't that nuts? Crazy. Like I was in muscle and fitness. Go fucking figure, man. So like somebody being like, I'm taking health advice from him is foolhardy. And thinking back to the crazy Southwest Airlines saga, I remember when that whole thing happened and how bananas that was. But that was really the beginning of this whole thing. A little bit. Yeah. Because that's why I started putting down sugar after that, where I was like was like i gotta get sugar out of my life but now as a vegan unfortunately sugar is well in my life because like you know giving up everything else i'm not like i'm giving up fucking sugar too so now you know you allow yourself sugar and bread but i've been able to cut bread out almost almost completely i had some bread yesterday but generally speaking i don't fuck with bread that much anymore

but sugar that is like it's it's hard to avoid sugar and sugar's still vegan you you fuck with a lot of vegan junk food yes i do that's the next mountain you gotta climb i know to actually go vegan with where i'm eating the kumquat and some such shit yes tell me uh tell me about the pot like what is the podcast angle like Like what's this going to be about? She wanted to do it. You know, she wanted to talk to people. Her idea was like, people ask me and I'm no expert, but I do know people who are experts. So like, maybe I could be a conduit for that. And I was like, Oh my God, you could call it vegan abattoir because like we'd be slaughtering misinformation. I think that's how I hooked her.

She's like, that is actually clever. Yeah, I was like, well, I really want that name. So the idea is like we sit down in the beginning, we chit chat and stuff. And it's all, of course, plant-based mostly and stuff, but some about our lives. Then we head into the interview portion of the show. So, so far she's been like going to talk to people that she knows from the space. Who are the two people you spoke to for the two episodes we just did? I've spoken to my friend, Daniela Monet, who is an activist, but she also has this cosmetics box that she does with a fellow vegan, Ivana Lynch, and it's a monthly subscription box. And every month they give you

a new box of a cruelty-free and vegan cosmetics. So it's really awesome. And who's the other person, the lady from Vegan Street Fair? And then I spoke to my friend, Jessica Shea, who runs, who is a founder and CEO of Vegan Street Fair, which is they throw an annual event which has over 200 vegan vendors. But she also does this thing called Vegan Exchange, which is every Sunday. It's a vegan farmer's market, basically, which is just-

I knew about the street fair. That was life-changing. Where does that go down? In Hollywood? It's in North Hollywood. Every single Sunday. It's the national, the center. Oh, the federal.

The federal. It's like in the parking lot behind the federal. And they bring in like multiple trucks and vendors. How did I not know about this? It is life changing. You get fat going though. It's not happening right now, obviously, but it is truly life changing. They've got, look, they've got real green food there, but it's um it is truly life-changing they've got look they got real green food there but it's also a lot of cats like eat this donut it's vegan yeah uh and like not

only is it vegan but it's a thousand calories and it's amazing but so it is you go and you wind up walking out kind of heavy so the idea is like we start the show and then we kind of cut to her interviewing somebody and then we talk about it afterwards and wrap up the show that's cool but the idea is it's for those who are like you know the people who go like what is it like and and what do you miss those vegan curious people who are kind of teetering it's just a little more information not to like you know drag them over or push them over but if it helps you know and since they're asking us on Twitter and Instagram comments and stuff, this is a way to be like, well, we went and spoke to somebody who really knows about this stuff.

And you are one of them. You'll be on as well after we're done with this. We'll sit down and grab you for, you'll be a big get for us, man. You own this space. You've got to step up your production game because you're used to just sitting down and shooting the shit and being like, I'm done. Now there's actually going to be editing involved.

Oh, it's been a challenge. It has been an actual challenge. For one of us. For, no, it's for- For one of us. I had to edit your two hour interview. I was like, Harley, talk to your friend for 30 minutes. She comes back with a two hour interview. She's like, is this enough? And I'm like, yeah, I guess I'll edit it now. I was really into the conversation. But whenever we-

See, that's your dad, right? I know. You can't do it in 30 minutes. I know. Yeah, that's how we're really similar. But when we're recording the opening and the ending, we're still trying to find out how to stay on subject and on track. Because we'll just start talking about something that we

for one of them i'd spoke about my boyfriend for like 30 minutes that's maybe the most predictable thing you've said in the podcast and we're just really trying we're we need to figure out how to do it it was on topic and as much as he's not strictly vegan. So it was like, how do you find... He's a new pescatarian. So we've been, we were speaking about that. But it's... I think you,

how many episodes have you recorded already? Three. Three. And the one we get with you will be four. Cool. Let it be what it wants to,

like it'll tell you what it wants to be rather than saying it needs to be like this. Like I think just in the doing, you'll find what it, what it really wants to be. That's a very good be like this. Like I think just in the doing, you'll find what it really wants to be and allow it. That's some pretty good advice.

Yeah. Cool, man. I think we did it. What's the deal? It just ends so like, I think we did it. I don't know. I'm being conscious of your time too.

Like I don't want to, you know. I think it's just, she's probably used to me and I'm a start guy. Yeah. And like, hey, everybody. And then it ends with, and everybody, we're done. Thanks. And everybody's saying goodnight.

And this one's just kind of like, no, it happened. You didn't know it. I know, that's so crazy. You could just like have a very graceful land. It's very vegan, man. It is really vegan. Super nice to have you guys here. I appreciate it. Pleasure.

Thanks for having me back. Thank you. Vegan Abattoir premiering on- June 26th. super nice to have you guys here i appreciate it pleasure thanks for having me back thank you vegan abattoir premiering on podcast platforms everywhere june 26th very exciting when's the tv show coming out um the cruel summer yeah um next summer 2021 so we gotta wait a while what else is coming out you guys have so many. I have a movie that will come out one day. I don't know when it's coming out that I filmed. Stuff you're not allowed to talk about. I don't know.

What is the other movie you did that? Student Body. Yeah. It's a film that Austin and I met on. So that will come out one day. I don't know. Right. What about you?

Or they can watch us on Celebrity Show Off on TBS. Oh, that's true. That's true. Until we get thrown off the show. And you're writing like four scripts right now, right? Finish Twilight of the Mallrats. That looks like it's shaping up to be the next flick. And then did another draft of Moose Jaws because Shudder was interested in it.

So it looks like that's moving toward life. That's like the third in the Yoga Hosers. The True North Jewelry. Me heading back to Canada. Fake Canada. Awesome, man. Do you still have the bus? I got rid of the bus, like sold the bus off and stuff, which sadly, it would come in handy right now.

It really would come in handy right now. Now you want a house to move around the country and not leave that house. Well, get it back. One thing at a time. Cool. Thanks so much, you guys. You're thing at a time. Cool. Thanks so much, you guys. You're welcome here anytime. Thank you.

So come back and talk to me again. Thanks. All right. Peace. Plants. Okay. How adorable is Harley Quinn? I feel like the two of those should just come on the podcast all the time.

Super fun. You never know where things are going to go with Kevin because he's such an amazing conversationalist. He's so verbose, but the guy never fails to entertain and he always drops knowledge. Knowledge, people. Be sure to check out Vegan Abattoir wherever you listen to fine podcasts. Leave them some reviews, maybe a couple of five stars. Let's get those two trending in pod land. You know what to do.

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