The Rich Roll Podcast - Lisa Fallon Mindel: Whole Body Beautiful

Episode Date: May 7, 2013

Today Julie Piatt and I sit down with our friend, the gorgeous, multi-talented multi-hyphenate Lisa Fallon Mindel. International fashion model, accomplished (aka very fast) age-group triathlete, mother & wife, Certified Health Coach, and fellow (plant-based) holistic wellness advocate and sometimes Kauai dweller, Lisa is a fount of great information and insight with a refreshing and inspiring holistic mind-body-spirit approach to wellness under her banner WholeBodyBeautiful program and website. Julie and I hope you enjoy the conversation! Thanks for listening! Rich

Welcome to episode 29 of the Rich Roll Podcast with Lisa Fallon Mindle. The Rich Roll Podcast. Hey everybody, welcome back to the show. My name is Rich Roll. This is the Rich Roll Podcast. Welcome back to the show. My name is Rich Roll. This is the Rich Roll Podcast. What do I do here? I talk about health. I talk about fitness. I talk about nutrition, plant-based nutrition, vegan nutrition, all different kinds of nutrition, how to clean up your plate and how to move your body, how to access and actualize a better, more authentic version of yourself. That's my goal. So I've had nutritionists.

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weeks ago. She was going to come in and do the show, and she wiped out on her bike and broke or cracked six ribs, and she was going to come in and do the podcast anyway. I was like, listen, we can reschedule. It's okay. So she's tough as nails. She's a competitor. She also has some other interesting things in her life. She talks about being a mom, raising kids, trying to teach her kids proper lessons about nutrition and how to eat and how she fits her training into her busy life. So we get into all of that stuff. So if you don't want to buy any products, you can still support the show by using the Amazon banner ad at richroll.com. Just click that banner ad on

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again, go to recovery.com. All right, so that's it for all of that stuff. Let's just get into the show. Ladies and gentlemen enjoy lisa fallon mindle hard enough to be so hard on myself and i'm trying to learn to keep my mind in check i listen to my friends when they say it's destiny it's meant to be this way i found their right and now i see that all this time and i had the key so now i'm on a roll i got

nothing but luck with a swing of my stamp as i struck on the block i see the boys stare and i see the boys stare and i see the boys stare and all right we're back julie pie it's back on the podcast it's been a while it's been a while she quit the show but she had to be talked back into joining us i'm happy to be back yeah it's nice to see you, Rich Roll. Where did you go? Been away. Yeah. Working on some stuff, seeing some people. Like I said before, I had to schedule a podcast so that we could have a conversation face-to-face.

It's great to just get deep and real with each other on the podcast. No, it's funny. We had a conversation earlier. We had a conference call, and I was somewhere and you were somewhere else, but we were both on the call. And it was one of those things where you have to dial the special number and put the pin number in. And you were like, we need one of these for our marriage so we can set up a conference line for us. Call in and get real. It's time to focus. It's kind of nice, actually. It felt like you were in some faraway place.

You like it that way? No. There's some distance there? I didn't mean it like that. It felt new and different, let me put it that way. But anyway, I'm psyched to be on with the lovely Lisa Fallon. Yeah, hey Lisa, how are you doing? Good, how are you?

Good. Thanks for you? Good. Thanks for coming over here. We had some scheduling stuff, but I'm glad we finally corralled you into coming over here. Yeah, it's fun. Thanks for having me. Yeah, it's good to be, it's good to have you. And we've got lots of sort of points of intersection and interest. Kauai. We do. The Santa Monica Mountains. Triathlon, swimming, biking wellness, nutrition raising kids eating plants

where do we start? I don't know, lots to talk about we could just talk about something else completely where do you take your car to get fixed? no but it was really amazing because Lisa and I met just for about to get fixed. No, but it was really, really amazing because Lisa and I met just for about

a 20-minute coffee on Kauai on the North Shore through a mutual friend, Rebecca, actually. And she's the amazing crew captain for EVIC-5 and a good friend. Rebecca is.

Yeah, Rebecca is. Yeah. Rebecca Morgan. Anyway. So she was telling me, you got to meet Lisa and Lisa, Lisa kept coming up. So anyway,

we met for just a quick coffee and then, uh, we ran into you later that day down on the other side of the island. And then I get back to LA and you're like my best friend. I was hearing about you guys for a long time. I'm hearing about rich guys for a long time hearing about rich well lisa and i were facebook friends but we weren't face-to-face friends right right yeah have friends that knew you and mentioned your name and then i met you and you said oh

we've heard your name and since we never connected after all this time rich was like oh that's so hilarious that you're one of your good friends is a triathlete. I know. Julie's like, maybe I'll get a bike and start doing this. Maybe I'll start biking. I started laughing uncontrollably. I started screaming, like, don't do that. Not don't do that. That's just not going to happen. I can't imagine that.

I can't foresee that. You never know. Never say never. Never count you out. I'm just entering a new seven-and-a-half-year cycle in my astrology. All right. So there's a new identity coming. Well, you have all the equipment here, so.

That's good. Exactly. I know. I could just stuff some stuff on the toes of his thousand pairs of shoes. What do you mean? Stuff what in my shoes? No, stuff it in your shoes so your shoe fits me. Oh, I see.

Yeah. All right. That's a bad joke. All right. Let the listeners decide. Anyway, so Lisa, I want to get into your story and your kind of journey to wellness. We all have our like personal story that we have, like kind of, you know, the narrative that kind of drives our passion for being fit and for, you know, whether it's pursuing triathlon or nutrition, and in your case, you know,

counseling and helping people as a health coach and practitioner. So, you know, what do you think sort of led you to this path? I mean, what is it about, you know, this world that magnetized you, I guess? Well, you know, I remember since I've been about 13, sleeping with the nutrition almanac next to my bed. I thought you were going to say sleeping with the nutritionist. Not the nutritionist. But I've always, you know, been into sports, you know, from a very young age. And I've been into nutrition pretty much.

I mean, my mom worked a lot and my dad. So, you know, I grew up with some turkey TV dinners. They weren't the best educated in nutrition and health per se. But I think I had a strong constitution so you know i was an athlete from a very young age what did you play when you were young well i swam um you know the swim team and competed um i was in track and field but it was all real short short distance nothing really long um Did you grow up in Southern California? No, born in New York. And then moved to Florida just a couple years and then went to Europe.

And then back to New York. Where in Europe? I lived in Paris, Milan. But that was part of, did your whole family move there? No, that's another journey. So I want to get in, yeah, we'll get into the modeling thing in a minute, but we're not there yet. We'll talk about sleeping with the nutritionist first. That's amazing.

Yeah, 13. Sleeping with the nutritionist all minute? Why not? That's crazy. So, I mean, my side reading would be about health, nutrition. You know, it's kind of a funny age, you know, where not many kids were doing that. So that was a bit on the side.

And then my first job was, you know we're not many kids were doing that so that was a bit on the side and then my first job was uh you know giving exercise classes to um all different kinds of women in all different ages at health clubs and you know taking their measurements and selling programs and i was like 15 then oh wow so i've been my whole life you know i thought back driving here you know i thought back thinking god you know most of my life has been revolving around this you know i think you go in and out of your life with your interest and you look back like you're doing something you love or you're doing something you love and you think back when you're really young kind of wow you know it's been a long time i always did like this and so finally i'm coming to a full

circle of what i what i love i love being athletic so i'm competing in triathlons i love health and nutrition i always toyed with you know becoming a doctor which you know i just don't think i have the academic chutzpah to go do that but it's interesting when i've become because i'm not i don't go the route usually doctors take i mean i do respect them and i work with them with clients of mine but i i look at everything of health and nutrition in a different way so it's interesting how now i've come to really hone in yeah but it sounds like you've always been doing it i mean was this something your parents were interested in or is it you just came out you're just hardwired for it in the beginning yeah that's cool i am i think right and now you're going to tell me the story about how

you your friend dragged you to some casting situation or something like that or you were discovered at the local supermarket and then you're on the next flight the next flight yeah no the story is always like well my friend you know told me i should do this or something like that that's what's a triathlon that's the next story um well the modeling story hmm okay um well born in new york and then about 15 years old, we moved to Florida for a few years. Well, I was only there a few years. My family's still there. And for a summer job, I would work at this hotel and help serve drinks

and work at the events that they had. And there was a man there from Paris who came on business trips, and he would take a liking to me, but I was very young, and he was way too old for me. My mom sussed that out right away. But nevertheless, we were talking, and he said, you and your sister-in-law should come to Paris, the whole talk. Well, we sussed it all out. I ended up going to Paris with my sister-in-law

and wanting to spend, I think it was like a three-week trip, ended up me living there. I got introduced to an agency and the three-week trip ended up becoming a 30-year career. So, yeah, it worked out well. But when you were there, so you had your family there at the same time or you were there like at a young age living by yourself? Yeah, I went with my sister-in-law by myself just for like three weeks. family there at the same time or you were there like at a young age by yourself yeah yeah i was but i went with my sister-in-law by myself just for like three weeks so and how old are you money i was i just turned 19 18 right and you weren't like 15 or no no so um you know yeah i was old enough but you know i'd never been out of the country. So it was a whole new deal for me.

Right. And let alone speaking French. So did you just learn by immersion? Yeah. It was the immersion course. That's the best thing. So yeah, so it was amazing. Right.

But that's a very different culture from the kind of healthy triathlon Southern California culture, right? It's like this sort of... Sm mean, yeah, a lot of smoking, a lot of partying late night, you know, binging espresso and like, you know, striking a waif-like pose. I mean, what was that? What was that like? I mean, you know, did you,

did you fall into a different lifestyle during that period of time or how did you navigate that? Like, what was that? You know, I wasn't, let's just say I wasn't doing any track and field at the time because it my life just totally turned around it wasn't what i was expecting i didn't go there to think you know wow i'm going to become a model i really went there over the summer not even over the summer for three weeks with like three hundred dollars that was it. Right. And then getting a couple of huge jobs and having to make the decision to stay, to leave college, calling my roommate up saying, yeah, I'm in Paris. I'm not coming back. My parents thought they'd see me in three weeks. They didn't see me for six months.

They saw me with long blonde hair leaving. I came back short cropped beret on my head walk right past my mom in the airport in december she didn't recognize me wow and it was just a new life and style and it was great it worked well at the time um i think the the business is very different now yeah um i'm glad i did it when i did and in what way is it different? Just the way it is. I mean, you know, even now I do some jobs, but it's, you know, you don't go and meet the people booking the job anymore. It's all online. It's all, you know, they see tapes and video.

They want to see you yesterday. You've got to express the, you know, the photos over. You don't get to meet. You don't get to connect. You don't get to connect. And for me, that was part of how I worked, too. I was dancing. I did stage work a lot when I was younger and acting and commercials. And so when I work, I get into what I do as a person.

And I deal with the people. And I like to talk and create some sort of energy. Right. And it's pretty impersonal, the business. Right. At the time I was working, there was a lot of money as well. I mean, they would fly me to Paris for one day from New York. No problem.

Now it's, you know, we're hiring someone local pretty much. I mean, unless you're at the top five right now, you know, that's fine. But they're pretty, it's a different business. And you were able to kind of like coexist in that culture without sort of, you know, suddenly smoking two packs of Marlboro Reds a day and going to after-hours parties until five in the morning. I mean, I would have killed me. I'm telling you, like I'd be dead.

I would not have survived it. You know, I had a few drinks here and there. Um, but you know, I think for me, I think while I, it lasted so long as that,

I looked at it as a business. I was always on time. I always showed up. I wasn't hung over. Um, because you know, when you worked, I mean,

I worked, um, I was pretty successful. I worked every day. I spoke to my booker more than I did my mother. Um, you know when you worked I mean I worked I was pretty successful I worked every day I spoke to my booker more than I did my mother you know it's every day and if you have a job that next day if they didn't take you had three other jobs lined up behind it those are the days where there's a lot of work you were a good model and you were good at what you did you worked all the time and that's how it was so if you wanted to stay on your game, just like an athlete, you want to put in the time and you want to put the time in to train and you want to be professional.

And I guess in any business, you'll be there for the longer run. So I worked for a long time. Right, right, right. And so when did you end up in Los Angeles? So when did you end up in Los Angeles? And got married in 92 and then moved here permanently after 92. But I was in New York and then Paris, back in New York, and then back and forth to L.A., New York,

and then came here permanently in 92. Right. And living here, and then now you kind of go back and forth between here and Kauai. Yeah, and then went to Kauai for four and a half, five years, and now about eight months ago moved back. Right. I mean, you were basically living there pretty much full time. Yeah.

Yeah. So were you completely ready for that change after having lived in Paris and New York for most of your life to be on Kauai? Well, we moved here, lived in LA, into Panga for years. We were going to have the five-year plan, but turned into four kids in 17 years.

And then we felt like we needed a change with the kids. It was just kind of getting a little too much here, and our kids were still young. And the business that my husband does, he's a cinematographer. He travels a lot. So we thought, well, let's try. We thought of some places to try. We thought New Zealand.

It was a little bit too far. Then Kauai was on the list, and we thought, let's check that out. And so we decided to do that for a while right very cool and for the listeners out there she just sort of slipped in that her husband's a cinematographer and you might be picturing just some guys lugging a camera around but this guy is he did that years ago he's the uh cinematographer currently he's he's the cinematographer. Currently, he's the DP on Spider-Man, correct? And rumor has it that he's been offered the next Star Wars movie. Is that true?

Maybe. A little bird might have said that. Who knows? I don't know. So anyway, this is a guy who knows his way around a camera, I guess is what I'm trying to say. Yeah, he's very talented, to say the least. I would imagine. He's worked in the business many years, to say the least. Yeah, I would imagine. He's worked in the business many years.

He swept the bags. He swept the floor. Right. He worked his way up. Yeah, which is great. He shot up on time for his games, right? And did he shoot the Star Trek movie that's about to come out? Yeah.

Star Trek. That's awesome. Yeah. I'm glad to see it. He's a good guy. Right. That's great. Very cool.

awesome yeah good to see it he's a good guy right that's great very cool so um so you're you're living this hawaiian lifestyle in this southern california lifestyle i mean when does triathlon kind of creep into the picture um i remember i was uh kind of doing some sort of class or whatever at the gym in kawaii when it was a gym up in princeville when they had the gym there right and i knew some people and uh one of my girlfriends came up to me and said, you know, you should try triathlon. I'm doing the sprint triathlon, and I'm like, you are? I really didn't have too much of an idea about what it was. But I remember taking these classes.

You know, I trained and did other things before, but it had been a while, so I was taking these kind of exercise classes, I trained and did other things before, but it'd been a while. So I was taking these kind of exercise classes and the women are sweating and taking their pulse. And I'm trying to find my pulse. And I'm just like, this isn't doing it. And just, I just felt like I just needed to up the ante, you know, just at that time. And so I said, okay. And she's kind of explained to me the length of it. And, you know, I was a short distance sprinter, you know, so to run three and four and six and 10 miles, I was like, are you kidding? There's no way. So I remember getting on the treadmill, looking outside the window at the golf course in Princeville

and just running. And I'm like, okay, two miles. Wow. And I just started. I remember the first day hit four miles without stopping. You know, all these little milestones. Right. And then I got a bike, and the guys on Kawai are awesome. You know, they're really supportive.

I got my first bike, started swimming with the masters down Lihue. I drove 30-something minutes every week. Yeah, that's a long drive. Yeah, from the North Shore. And I just kind of threw my energy into, you know, upping the ante with the training, and that's it, and haven't stopped. It definitely has its claws in you. Yeah, you know, it's a little bit addicting.

Yeah. You and I know. Yeah, I speak that language. For some, not. For some, there are that do it better, okay. And you've done amazing. You have amazing results. You're incredibly fit, you know, beautiful woman, incredibly fit and passionate about,

you know, you're working out and you're racing and you're training and, um, it's awesome. It's cool. I love seeing it. And I think what, you know, is interesting for the listeners out there is how you, you know, as, as a mother with, you know, several children and responsibilities and, you know, as, as a mother with, you know, several children and responsibilities and, you know, sort of a, you know, a life that a lot of people can relate to just a lot of responsibilities, how do you make it fit? Like, how do you find the time? How do you balance everything else in your life to make sure that you're attending the, you know, everybody

appropriately, I guess, and pursue this. Cause a lot of people are just like, well, I don't have time, you know, good for you, but there's no way I could ever do that. Well, you pursue this. Because a lot of people are just like, well, I don't have time, good for you, but there's no way I could ever do that. Well, you know, it's a lot of balls to juggle. And I think if you really want to do something, you can do it. It's like getting that bike out and getting it ready. You know, as women, too, we tend to multitask really well. And I think I find myself,

it's kind of challenging for me to see. I always have to pull back a little and say, okay, you don't want to juggle 4,000 bowls. You just can't do everything well with so many. But I think I'm just passionate about the things I choose. So I really want to do it. So I'm up a little later organizing my stuff for the next day i think ahead i mean it's like with the the clients i work with and then them talking

about their food of how to organize their food for the next day or how to think ahead or how to shop it's kind of like that you know if you think ahead you plan accordingly um you know you get a schedule i mean there's a lot of people who aren't like that it's really hard for them so they take on a little less I tend to multitask really well I'm a terrible multitasker Julie you multitask pretty well

I'm pretty good at it I can only do one thing at a time anytime I try to do anything it's the man thing it's a hunter gatherer we have to Julie will be like what do I try to do anything one way or the other. It's a hunter-gatherer. We have to. Julie will be like, what do you have to do today?

And I'll list five or six things that I have to accomplish. And she'll be like, what's the big deal? And I'm like, if I get one of these things done today, I'll be lucky. It's just a different style. What are the ages of your children, Lisa? 11, 13, 16, 16 and 19 three girls and a boy right that's right yeah so you still got you know sam still 11 yeah 11 so so that's cool

so how do you um how is nutrition in your household like how does how do you guys approach it are you guys all vegan are you all plant-based? No, we've got a mixture. A mixture. I'm vegan, which works for me. My daughter, who's 16, is vegan. She's been like that maybe a couple years now. I have my 13 and my 11-year-old like meat. My son loves it when he sees a piece of red meat.

He's like, yeah. Um, and then my 19 year old, she, um, eats some meat. She's not like super passionate about it, but she doesn't like she'll eat chicken. You know, she did, you know, she's fine. She doesn't make an effort either way. Um, so usually at my dinner table, you can be anything and be okay. and she's fine. She doesn't make an effort either way. So usually at my dinner table, you can be anything and be okay.

There's always enough for all kinds of palates. I don't force anything on my kids. I think they learn by experience. Just like your kids, they're blending green smoothies and green drinks. I mean, green stuff in my house is normal. Usually I have green in my teeth, so I look before I can.

It's usually green. I'm like, I always say, as long as it's green, it's okay. It's just a podcast. Right. At least it's not Doritos or something. So as far as parenting your kids and kind of what you try to teach them nutrition-wise, it's kind of, you just, I mean, I gather you're sort of just leading by example and trying to kind of set a tone, but you're not creating any rigorous rules or. No, I mean, they know certain things will be in the house and certain things won't.

You know, there's just certain things I'm not having in the house. You know, there's no soda. There's no Coke. There's no, you know, fast food kind of stuff. And has it always been that way? Yeah. So they just grew up that way. They grew up that way, you, they grew up that way.

You know, and as they get older, they have their own choices. So, you know, they're going to go and they're going to go to parties or, you know, school. And they're, you know, they're not going to be perfect. Or, you know, they will make the wrong choices on purpose and be like, yeah, Sprite or something, you know. And, you know, that's okay. But, you know, that's okay. But, you know, it's interesting. As they get older, they start, you hear them talking to their peers. You know, my 16-year-old, her friends are like, wow, you eat so healthy.

And what does that do? And then you hear her talk about it. And I think that's awesome. Because what I try to teach, too, is kind of what's called the ripple effect. You know, what we're doing and teaching and inspiring to our kids it's going on to others or it's going on to my clients families or their kids or and i think that's also with you what you're doing what what we like to do what is important to us so yeah absolutely i mean it is pretty cool when when the older kids start to make the healthy choice

consciously and purposely as opposed to well that, that's just what's in the fridge or that's what mom made or what have you. I mean, I say this all the time, but like, you know, the first time I saw Tyler kind of come down the staircase and half asleep and just go right to the Vitamix and start putting kale in it with his hair and his face, like he's not even awake yet. And he's making his morning, you know you know blend like not because anybody said you have to have this or this is what we eat here just that's what he was choosing to do he could have made oatmeal he could have made pancakes he could have done whatever but you know he opted for that yeah that's amazing you know one of my two to my same thing you know but yet my son who's 11 will

say mom is that vegan you know he's the v word is really like, I'm like, yeah, a pear is always vegan. You know, he just has this vegan thing, you know. Well, once you create a label, then there's something to oppose. You know, you can create an opposition to something that is, right? So even Mathis, our nine-year-old, she'll adamantly say, I am not vegan, even though she pretty much eats a vegan diet 99% of the time. She doesn't know it. She doesn't want to be called that.

She doesn't want to be labeled that. She doesn't want to be pigeonholed into something because she wants to define herself the way that she wants. She doesn't want somebody else to say you're this or that. And I think when you kind of omit those labels or just don't use them. Then you're not creating anything to set up a contrast to or to rebel against or to have an issue with. And it just becomes her own process.

And I mean, I'm seeing waves too. It's always waves of refinement with the diet. We definitely as a family, as the months go on, it's getting upgraded. It's getting cleaner and more plant-based, more sprouted, more fermented, more. It's really, really increasing. And I see in Mathis is probably the toughest eater. I mean, the pickiest eater. But even within her there are

certain things that she wouldn't eat prior to us going to kawaii that now she will so it's cool they say you know you keep exposing them it takes about three weeks or so you keep exposing you know i tell people constantly please try not to give your kid kid food i mean there's so many families that will make their dinner which would be a pretty good dinner. And then the kids get, you know, hot dogs, macaroni and cheese. Macaroni and cheese. Yeah. That's a really good point.

And it's like just from the birth of our first child. I mean, we always put everything out there. It was always proper healthy food. It wasn't quote unquote kid food. It wasn't white food. It was just healthy food. Exactly. So all my kids sat at the

table we still do we sit at the table there's always vegetables there's always soups there's always as i said anyone can come over and be fine right and they have a choice and even if they don't like it at a certain point you'll find they'll start trying it and their tastes change and they'll experiment and um like with yours and they'll say you know oh i used to hate tomatoes like six months ago and now i love to yeah now they walk around them in their hands like an apple right but you just got to keep putting that's the one thing math is is that she eats raw tomatoes all the time but yeah you just got to keep putting it out there and that is a that's a really uh really important point but not to make kid food and not

to start shifting the way that you eat you just eat as a family and also i think your body craves certain things too like for instance she's eating whole tomatoes you know there's a reason there's a reason you know maybe she needs a boost of something or as i said that as long as you give them a um a variety exactly well. And also with dates. She was like, dates, I hate dates. That was about a year ago. And now she loves dates. And it's mostly everything in our house is sweetened with dates.

So that's amazing. It's really cool. And how do they navigate school lunch? That's a little tricky. And how do they navigate school lunch? That's a little tricky. You know, I must say, when school's over, that's the one thing I really am happy that I don't have to deal with the lunch thing because it is hard because they all kind of have their own likes and dislikes.

I mean, dinner's easier because I can put it all out when we're on the weekend. Sure. And I can buy it all, it's it's all there i can prep it but also like even suit you know just carrying some of the stuff or um a lot of times like my son he's so busy sometimes the lunch comes back and so i say you have to eat you know and well i left my lunchbox here that you know um so i try to try to explain to them in their terms too you know like with the people you need to eat a little bit in the day so in the morning i try to explain to them in their terms too, like with people you need to eat a little bit in a day. So in the morning I try to blend up smoothies,

give them something healthy and there's fruit and then a snack. And then, yeah, lunch is challenging. Right. So will they eat at the cafeteria at school? It depends on which kid and which school. We're all over the place. Well, I'm just interested because, you know, just in general, school lunch is such an unmitigated disaster, and it's a huge problem.

You know, it's like that's where kids are sort of forming their habits that will last the rest of their lives. And, you know, as you know, dealing with clients and, like, friends of mine and people that I know that are, you know, now with clients and friends of mine and people that I know that are now well into their 40s and getting into their 50s who are trying to overcome these habits that they've had their entire life. And school lunch, I think the school cafeteria is like this proving ground where a lot of those habits get cemented. And the food that we're feeding the kids is just absolutely horrific by and large. And if you count up the hours that most kids are at school, it's a good portion of their lifetime. So those meals add up like aggregates.

It's highly socially charged, too. Like what you decide you're going to eat when you're in high school or junior high school and you sit down at that table with those other kids, like you're being judged. And it's very emotionally – it's heavy emotionally, too. with those other kids. You're being judged. It's heavy emotionally, too. So it's not just an issue of eat healthy or what makes your body feel good. What is this social strata that you're trying to penetrate or be a part of plays into it as well. Yeah, that always does.

I think as long as they're brought up with that base. We have it on the table and what you're serving. And they may boycott it. They'll go out and do a sugar binge all weekend, stay up late with their girlfriends at a sleepover or whatever. And I remember my daughter coming back. She went away for two days on a school thing, and they stayed with a host family somewhere not in L.A., somewhere else.

And the woman made grilled cheese and, you know, they had a family that wasn't, you know, but like not good food, very quick, very fast food. And so she didn't say anything. She kind of sat there and being vegan, it was very difficult. But she came home and she says, I haven't had anything green for two days. Make me a salad, you know So, I mean, you know, or as he said, they'll go to a party and they'll binge out on sugar

and then the teenage girls will be, my face is breaking out. I got sick. Yeah, or they get sick. I guarantee it. Every time after Halloween, never fails.

Absolutely. And around the holidays too. Every year. Sugar. Yeah. Exactly. Now math is actually just even recently last week

she actually got her first cold. She had never had a cold before. She's nine. And she kept telling me, she said, Mom, I didn't realize my nose was so large because she was trying to get all the mucus out and it kept coming.

She didn't realize it was real making it again. But anyway, so then she came to me, you know, because I told her sugar will make you sick. So then, you know, she would ask me, you know, can I have a date or can I have this or tell me what I can eat? And so, you know, that's really amazing. And also my boys, you know, they start, if they ever start to get a little sniffly, you know, they go right to water and apple cider vinegar, like immediately. And that for us is just, I mean, it's amazing. For most people, maybe a number who are listening now, they, you know, probably are wondering what we're talking about because there's a lot of people who don't know about this. So tell them. But there's so many alternative ways to have things sweetened

and to cook with, and that's what I love doing. I like sharing and exposing the people I talk to, come in contact with, work with about recipes and just education about themselves, about their proteins, about carbohydrates, about how it works in their body, what kind. I had a client today email me, give me a list of complex carbohydrates, please, to eat. Because a lot of people are really motivated and they want to be healthy. They just need the support.

They need a little bit of education, the knowledge, what to do, how to do it. And there's so many conflicting messages out there. If you try to take that on yourself and just go online, you'll find five different answers to the same thing. So it's really easy to get frustrated and disoriented and then just throw your hands up in the air and say, well, forget it. up in the air and say, well, forget it. I mean, with the people that you work with or that come to you, I mean, what are some of the big kind of common challenges that you see that maybe you can, you know, give a little bit of sort of, you know, guidance to people that are listening? Well, you know, I work with a number of different kinds, you know, of people, age groups, some have medical issues, you know, and everybody's different.

You know, each person I deal with, I say that you're an individual. So what, I mean, there's certain things across the board, you know, as we understand about proteins or carbs, fats, good fats. But, you know, what works for you is not necessarily going to work for me. Like me or you and I being vegan. For some people, they may not find that works for them. I can't say I just don't coach people who are vegan. But what we do is we try to see what works and how to up their health in a better way,

how to bring more plant foods in there. And then, interestingly enough, as we all know, they start feeling better. Their energy comes back, their weight drops off, or their health problems start to alleviate. So it's a good feeling to help out of course there's nothing better yeah but if somebody comes to you and they're they're out of shape they're overweight um and they're just looking for you know like how do i how do i start i mean where is the like what's the first thing that you do like do you get their blood work done do you like talk to them about what they're eating or like does it work? Well, I first give them, I usually go do a quick health history form

just to kind of get a basis of where they're at, what their goals are, their past. I do ask, what did you eat when you were a kid? What are you eating now? What's your ancestry like? now um what's your ancestry like how how's a healthier parents um what do you do what's your activity level how do you eat now what do you what are your goals um how are you feeling all these little questions and we kind of talk about that you know i also go into as i said their um their life when they were younger you know know, as you said, you form all these patterns. And also, you know, as you said before, too, emotionally, things are very emotional. Food is very emotional for a lot of people.

Stress triggers a lot of cravings, hormonal imbalances. So we talk about a whole lot of things, you know, but as I said, I kind of go step by step. You can't throw everything at somebody in the first week or the first month of working with them so i mean sometimes i work with people over months and um what's really interesting is that the more we start in the beginning with their diet for instance like bringing some greens right the first thing i do is three times a day bring in something green drink some more water you know let's talk you know we'll talk again in a week or some people I speak to more often than that.

And then in a couple of weeks, we talk about some proteins and we kind of move that around a little bit. And then within a month or two, we start, you know, working on all these little aspects of their diet and their health. And what I find is the cleaner they get internally and with their nutrition, their brain fog starts to lift. And then they start getting into the emotions after a couple months. And then they start looking into, you know, God, you know, I'm really edgy all the time.

And I think I know why. Or I know what's causing. You know, and it's really great because it takes layers upon layers to kind of get through. Oh, yeah. because it takes layers upon layers to kind of get through. Oh, yeah. And when you're hitting yourself with sugar, coffee, toxic food, there's no way you can get deep.

You can't because you're medicating your emotions. And I think it is the diamond nugget in this whole thing. It's the elephant in the room that nobody wants to talk about because there are all these diet books out there, and it doesn't even matter. Like, pick your poison. Like, paleo, vegan, whatever it is, I don't care. You can find a roadmap to eating better than you currently are. And, you know, a lot of it is it's not rocket science.

It's like, you know, eat whole foods. Don't eat processed foods. Like, you know, don't eat a bunch of sugar. You know, a lot of it is so basic and everybody knows this. And yet, and everybody, you know, and we have this obesity epidemic, we have all these health problems and all that kind of stuff. And everybody kind of has that common sense awareness, but they don't do it. So like, what, where are we missing? Like, what is going wrong? And I think it, I think it really does boil down to the motion, the emotional aspect of it. You know, there are these, like this book that just came out,

salt, sugar, fat, it talks about how the food manufacturers are creating these foods that affect our pleasure centers. And, and that creates an addictive response that is tied in directly to our emotional bodies, how we regulate our emotions, how we feel. And we start to rely on these foods to feel a certain way or to repress a certain emotion. And those get hardwired over the years. And so we're talking about trying to, you know, basically rewire your entire system and you, you take, you take away all of those sort of go to, you know, pleasure center foods or foods you're using to like, you know,

feel better or repress yourself. And yeah, the emotions start to go haywire and people start to freak out, you know, pleasure center foods or foods you're using to like, you know, feel better or repress yourself. And yeah, the emotions start to go haywire. People start to freak out, you know, and then I think they just, they either can't handle it or they don't have the support or they're confused or in some kind of vertigo state that they, you know, it's, it becomes unmanageable. And then they go back to eating poorly because they don't have somebody who says, well, this is normal. You've taken away these things that you've relied on to do this. Now you have to actually look at these emotions that you're having and process them and figure out how to manage them in a healthy way. And this is a growth opportunity.

This is why you're doing this. So you can face this, overcome it, live healthier. Well, that's why I call it holistic. Exactly. Because it's not just the food. I mean, even though my base is food and nutrition, it's a holistic approach. And it has to be.

Yeah, it has to be. You can't, it's like taking a, you know, you take a multivitamin. You're taking these, yeah, I mean, you need these nutrients or whatever, but when they're isolated from the food, you know, they're not as bioavailable. They're not necessarily going to do what they're supposed to do. And if you take these nutrients or whatever, but when they're isolated from the food, they're not as bioavailable. They're not necessarily going to do what they're supposed to do. And if you take one aspect of health, whether it's like what you're putting in your mouth or how you're moving your body, but you do it in isolation, not in the context of a holistic approach, then you're kind of missing the whole point or the bigger picture, right? Yeah, for sure.

bigger picture right yeah for sure i mean in the beginning too with going back to eating is you know i'm really uh really into the energetics of food you know i say to people food has an energy and when you think of it that way and you look at food and and realize why it's green and the chlorophyll and and the energy that food real live you know food unpackaged, for instance, has, then you stop to say, do I need to eat the packaged food? Do I need to eat the, you know, fast food hamburger? And I say, stop and say, what energy am I going to get from that? You know, does it have any, what kind of energy does it have to give me? And I think about that daily. And I try to ask people to think about that, because at least if you think about it, it's the first and as I said just when you first start with someone who has no idea about this you know just for them to think hey I'm going to have an extra glass of water today or before eating the

fast food thing well you know what did we talk about okay I'm gonna you know try that kale or quinoa or whatever that's just a step it's first step. And that's what I say is great because it just gets them going, gets their brain going, gets them thinking. As I said, it's about the energetics of food, fresh, raw food. I mean, I'm not saying it can't be cooked, but the more natural state it's at, the more energy it's going to give you. So I kind of start there and start with the food. And as I said, everything, all the layers kind of, you know, you get through all

these layers and all of a sudden it's really wonderful. You see people starting to feel and start, it goes into the relationship with their families. And, um, and then all of a sudden, you know, I have someone, their husband's blending the green smoothie and it's great for both of them. And it's like, or they're calling you at three in the morning crying. Yeah. I get some very interesting pictures and notes and texts all day long. But also what I've heard you say is the one thing that has been consistent in what you just said is you're always talking about the things that you're

adding in or including as opposed to the things that you're, you're suddenly depriving somebody of. So it like hey have if all you did was have you know started your day with a green smoothie or drank more water or ate more you know raw vegetables or whatever it is and put the focus on what you're including or or having more of as opposed to well you can't have this and you can't have that. No more of that. It's a different perspective. Yeah, because you don't want to deprive people. Once you say you can't have it anymore, then they think, oh, my God, it's a diet.

And we all know diets fail. I don't call any of this a diet. When I work with people, I'll say, we're talking about this is a lifetime. It's a lifestyle. And that's how you have to go about thinking it. Because if you stay with this lifestyle and kind of what we're talking about, the energetics of food and the healthy emotions and, you know, working on, you know, not just maybe training 40 hours a week, but also doing some yoga or lighting a candle to just change the vibe of

something or breathing or, you know, all this is incorporated into being healthy. It's not just eating your kale, but it's adding in. It's beyond the kale. It's beyond the horizon. Beyond the green. Beyond the kale. That's great.

Is that the name of your book? I just made it up. Beyond the kale. I'm going to write that book. It happened during the podcast. You guys, just fast forward a year. I'll made it up. Beyond the curve. I'm going to write that book. It happened during the podcast. You guys, just fast forward a year. I'll buy it. No, so I wanted to ask you, so where are you with cleansing?

Like, how is cleansing? Is cleansing a part of your life? Is it something that you've done? Have you experimented a lot? How long time ago I have? You know, I'm pretty active in my workouts because I am a triathlete as well, so I work out a lot. Really?

Well, you know, I balance with my kids and my family and my work. But when I tell people for me how I eat is I feel like I'm a cleansing every day. I mean, believe me, I'm not perfect. Get me a good bag of salty corn chips and I'm there. But, you know, but for me, how I eat is I feel like I pretty much feel pretty cleansed. For some people, I just see a lot of this cleansing happening to lose a quick five pounds. And the first thing I say to them is that, oh, well, they went off the cleanse. I'll say, well, And the first thing I say to them is that, oh, well, they went off the cleanse.

I'll say, well, the next few days, what did you eat? And nine out of ten, they just go right back after the day or two after the cleanse into what they were doing. And I talked to a lady once in Kauai. She did this incredible Ayurvedic cleanse. And there she was that night drinking wine. And I was like, well, okay. But I always stopped to think you know what is the purpose of the cleanse you know what what reason is it for because if it's just to lose five pounds you know or is it really to cleanse your body to i have another friend of mine at a

place for like a two-week cleanse but it's it's's full on. That's what they do. And she's kind of more of a mind, body, spirit kind of operation. So, um, she's going at it in a different level. Right. There are two different things. Oh yeah. Totally. I think the majority of people are hearing about the cleanse for the weight loss, weight loss. Um, and you know, juicing is huge right now, which is great. Cause I think it's getting a lot of people into drinking and trying it. Now you go somewhere and everyone's carrying a green juice. Yeah.

Great. So that's awesome. In L.A. Yeah, in L.A. Everyone in our world. Maybe not in Cedar Rapids or something. I don't know if that's everywhere, but it is cool to see it here for sure. And these sort of cold-pressed juice companies are springing up all over the place. I mean, the juice trucks that are driving around LA,

which is, which is really cool. You know, I mean, it's definitely a trend. Um, and I think the only sort of downside to that is that it, it suddenly sort of couches healthy eating into some kind of elitist pursuit, like, you know good for you you can you can afford your nine dollar you know juice at the press juicery truck or whatever and it takes you know it sort of takes the discussion away from the accessibility of the general population and turns it into like a well-heeled thing and it doesn't have to be that you know no i mean i thought i get so many people asking me what juicer to buy. They want to do it at home, which is the way to go.

I mean, as you said, this is a lifestyle, so you want to incorporate this in your life. You know, I hear I don't have time, it takes so long, so we talk about techniques, you know, how to prepare it, get it all done, chop it up, put it in a bag in the fridge. It takes two minutes to juice. Do that for a couple days. Have that up, put it in a bag in the fridge. It takes two minutes to juice. Do that for a couple days. Have that ready.

Put it in the glass. You know, I kind of go through this with people. So when they do it for a couple times, they realize, wow, you know, it's not that hard. And most people I talk to, honestly, within a few weeks are craving, you know, this is what they want to do now. Yeah, you start to crave it, and that's a good sign. And it doesn't have to be expensive. I made you start to crave it, and that's a good sign. And it doesn't have to be expensive.

I made a video, which I haven't put up yet. I've got to put that video up. But I was so incensed. I was at like Gelson's or Bristol Farms or one of those markets, and they had some premium juices. I forget the name of the juice company, but one of the really high-end ones. And they were the tiny little like 10, 12 ounce juices, but they were like $12 each for like beet celery juice.

And I was like, are you kidding? I was reading like the wave of the future in the next year or two that they feel juices will go to $20. It's yeah, it's crazy. And so it's like, Oh,

well, you know, what is it like caviar? You know, it's just like a beat you pull out of the ground and some celery. So I was like, I'm going to go to the market and see how much produce I can buy for the price of two of those juices. So I went to Viarda Market, which is like deep in the valley. It's like in a scroungy neighborhood or whatever, but it's a cheap market.

I was like, I wonder how much produce I can get here. I filled an entire shopping cart for $24. You know, I was like for the price of two of those little juices at that market. And then, you know, we could juice that and invite him, mix that stuff for a week.

Oh yeah. Greg Smith was saying he just went to, he was buying so much fruit and he listened to the podcast episode where I had Michael Arnstein on the fruitarian guy. Oh yeah. He's talking about how he like. The amount of fruit that comes. It's insane.

Right. And he was like four refrigerators. And he was like, yeah. And he was like, I go to the, um, the,

uh, the, the wholesalers. Cause I won't buy it at the store cause I'm buying so much. And they think that he must have like a store cause he's buying so much fruit. And he brings a truck there and loads it up. So Greg Smith found the fruit wholesalers in downtown LA. Right. And he was telling me, he went down there the other day and he brings a truck there and loads it up so greg smith found the fruit wholesalers in downtown la right and he was telling me he went down there the other day and he bought like an

insane amount of produce for like nothing he's like i bought a giant box of mangoes that i could barely carry for like six dollars and he goes the fruit is just spilling out all over the street everywhere he's like there's like you could just pick it up off the ground and have enough to last your family for two weeks. It's very simple. He goes, all you have to do is go downtown. Like no one knows about it. And he's like, I go, do you have to be, you have to like convince them that you have a store that you're a retailer or something?

He's like, no, just go there and buy it. Like, you know, just nobody knows to do that. Right. I mean, it's all very simple. You know, you mean it's the price of the juicer. Most people don't have huge families like us. Well, you know, some do. But, yeah, simple ingredients and, you know, it's a lot of bang for your buck.

You know, the nutrient-dense foods, which it comes down to. And that's just a great thing to do daily if you can. Yeah, absolutely. So what do you do? great thing to do daily if you can yeah absolutely so what do you what do you what do you do like what is your sort of general advice when people slip up or kind of go off the wagon uh you know maybe you're counseling them and like they're going good for a while and then they kind of disappear on you well they don't fully disappear it's if they're gonna tell me now um you know we all do it's not and it's really funny because

they they know but they just go back on track i mean it's just and interestingly enough the healthier you get the faster you rebound i mean you feel it because as i said the kind of cleaner you get when you binge depending on what it is your body they'll be like oh i felt like crap i know i had that hamburger or you know if for instance for someone's not eating meat or i had a lot of sugar um i had a couple drinks you know that's you know big for people because they yeah for sure um but then what's interesting is that they they feel that and they just get back right on track you know and as i said this is a lifestyle you know we're all not perfect on

i don't you know tell people they can't have this they can't have that it's as you said it's adding in more of the good food crowd out the bad right um you know we just bring in um is it more healthy good food and um i think eventually um you know, they just start to understand. They start to become educated in the process. They start learning about their bodies. And as I said, that's just the first step. I think just as long as the momentum keeps going and they go in the right direction, it's good. And they always do.

Well, I think when you start to feel better, then you sort of develop a level of self. There's a level of self-esteem that comes with that and then that makes you want to exercise a little bit more self-care and then before you know it there's like a gestalt or like a momentum that goes along with that that that will start all the emotions start the self-confidence i can do it wow i've lost some weight i had someone today text me i feel so great i've downed my diet pepsi to 12 ounces instead of 16 ounces right i'm had that green juice today you said it was really good i'm really feeling good you know granted they're still drinking the diet pepsi but they were they know

i want to scale down it's not like i'm quitting it all tomorrow after they've had it every day for 10 years yeah right um but they're adding in the other stuff, and they're noticing a difference. And you create, like, a history with that. Like, in recovery, it's sort of common for somebody who's new to say, oh, my God, you know, like, yeah, I can deal with, like, not drinking today, but, like, what about that bachelor party I have in six months in Vegas? Like, I'm never going to make it. And it's like, well, you know what?

Why don't you just not worry about that until that happens. And then, you know, then the event occurs and somehow the person makes it through without drinking or using, and then they get on the other side of that. And they're like, Oh my God, I never would have thought I would have been able to do that without getting loaded. And that's like called sober history. So it's like, you know, you can, you weathered that sort of situation that you never would have thought possible. Now, you know, you can do it. So, so, you know, I have friends that they're trying to deal with their, their changing their eating habits and they say, well, you know, I, there's no way I could make it through like a board meeting without drinking

like a liter of Diet Coke. I've been doing it for 20 years. The first time they do something like that, or they make it through like a tricky situation um and they do it in a healthier way that creates history you know it's like okay i know i could do that i did that i feel and i feel really good about myself that i was able to do that so then the next time it's a little bit easier and sometimes you give them other options i mean there are some people that really have no idea how to do that so you say hey what about trying this or do that have you brought something else or brought an apple or have you you know got up and done you know there's a lot of different ways to look at it same with me i have people too that don't want

to drink or don't want to be put in a situation of a lot of junk food or um you know as you said just like an alcoholic or someone quitting smoking you don't want to go to the bar or go hang out with your friends that smoke around you. You know, I think eating cleanly and not drinking or whatever, you know, I mean, it's not that you can't socialize and you do. And some people have more discipline than others, but others that need a little more support. And if the support's not there, because not everyone has the support, you know, I work with some people that their families are pretty unhealthy, but it's them really trying to forge ahead. So what do you counsel in that respect? Because I think that's a huge issue.

And that's something that prevents a lot of people from trying to blaze this path because they just think it's going to be too hard. They don't have the support. Right. Well, i come in a little heavier on that point for me as supporting them you know with speaking with them more often um you know maybe um giving them thoughts on you know their food and you know they're trying to cook for their family um if there's unhealthy stuff coming in that they're saying to me, it's really hard when I open the refrigerator and my boyfriend's buying all this stuff. Or, for instance, I said the other day, well, who's shopping?

She says, well, I am, but they eat other stuff. And I said, well, you know what? You don't have to buy that. You can tell your boyfriend if he wants that. Tell him, listen, I'm working really hard. I need the support. It's really hard for me to buy that and have that in the refrigerator right now. If you want it, do you mind you get it or can we not have it here?

And I think just be open and talk about it. Because as I said, it opens up a whole other dimension with relationships. And why you're not supporting i don't know what to bring two people closer or that relationship is going to explode but i mean doesn't i mean isn't uh when you make a shift in in lifestyle or in any kind of endeavor journey spiritual or in your you know life creatively with food i mean there are some relationships that need to change or that you say goodbye to or you turn down a different path, right? As you were saying. That's the harsh reality. The analogy I always use is recovery, but yeah, when you're drinking

and using and you're in a bad place, water rises to its own level and you have a lot of lower companions. I certainly did. And then when you get sober, you're like, I can't be around those people anymore. I need a new set of friends. Or you start to develop self-esteem and you start doing esteemable acts. And the level of water in your glass starts to rise and you start to attract a higher quality of person. And so whenever you take upon yourself to improve yourself, there's going to be, sometimes there's fallout with that. Like other people in your life maybe don't want you to be better.

You know, they like it when you're smaller. Or they don't want you to change. I think people just naturally don't maybe always embrace change. And if you're changing, and if you're changing too quickly, then that means something's happening to me. Or they see themselves, basically. You know, you're rising above. It's scary.

I don't say above like in an egoist sense, but they may think you're stronger than them. And in a sense, you are. Like you're in that down place, and you're drinking, and. And in a sense, you are. If you're in that down place and you're drinking and you're in a bad place, and they are too, and you kind of stop and move ahead, I think people see how they want to be, and it's hard for some people to take that step. Well, yeah, because it provokes a fear response.

Because if somebody's improving, then it means, oh, man, are they going to leave me if i don't sort of step up and do what they're doing and if i don't want to do that or i'm scared of doing or can i can i myself do that right you know um and as i said all this is talking about the holistic thing this this just is like the beginning so i started with that juice and now we're like into like a... I know. We're into, you know, heavy analysis. We're meditating now. Oh, my goodness. But it's really interesting.

I mean, it really opens up everything. And, I mean, this is what health is about. It's mental. It's spiritual. It's... Absolutely. I mean, as I always say, in quotes, someone, I don't know who originally said this, but we are spiritual beings having a

human experience not the other way around and and getting with the food and getting reconnected with living vibrant foods is the first step to making that connection why are you laughing at me because when i was in rehab like and i i had like 10 days sober and I was out of my mind. No, they said that we were like in some group counseling session and the counselor was like, so, you know, you have a choice. He goes, are you have, are you a, are you a physical being having a spiritual experience or are you a spiritual being having a physical experience? And I said, I'm a physical being having a, I don't know, am I having a spiritual experience?

But I'm definitely a physical being. And he's like, wrong. I was like, what are you talking about? And it took me years to understand, you know, what you just said. But it was first posited to me then. But it gets to the point that you're both making, which is, and kind of the point that I was trying to make in the book, sort of between the lines, it's like, you read the book, it's like, oh, you know,

the plant-based diet and then all these, you know, crazy endurance adventures. But, but really what I was trying to say, maybe I didn't say it very well, is like changing the diet is just the first step. You know, that's what you need to, you need to, that's what, you know, sort of that's the pipe cleaner that allows all these other changes to transpire and allows you to kind of explore and embrace a better version of yourself because you have to clean the filter, you know. But it doesn't end with that. That's the beginning point of the journey, you know.

So it's like, okay, you've cleaned up your diet. You're energized. You feel good. Like now where are you going to direct this energy you know and if these emotions are suddenly coming up like what is that about and how am i going to navigate and overcome some of these other character defects or what's wrong in my relationships or what am i not expressing you know it doesn't have to be a scary thing. No, no, no. It's an adventure. Yeah. It's an adventure. It's sort of like, oh, my God.

Now I feel it's a way of equipping yourself for that growth experience. And, you know, this all also happens when you're ready for it to happen. Yeah. I find people come to me when they're ready to come to me. And most people I work with are really motivated. They're excited. They want the support. I mean, you know, you kind of go through your hills and valleys.

But most people are ready. And you're saying with this emotional, all these layers that kind of come undone. You know, people might be listening and saying, oh my gosh, you know, it's too scary. I'm not going to have green ever. I'm not going to clean up my diet, but because I don't want to freak out. Um, but you know, this all just happens. I mean, just naturally.

And it's very interesting to see, because as I said, when you work with people and this is what you do, you see this naturally and there they come, they say to me, Hey, I feel this, or what do you think? So it's something that evolves within oneself. Yes, and I would say for all the struggles or all the fears that you have to face or all the challenges that you have to embrace, that the person that you find beyond the kale, beyond the kale. Beyond the kale.

You will be so delighted and happy in your life when you access that. When you get beyond the kale. Beyond the kale. So now what I'm trying to say is it's really worth it. And when you're ready, you are ready. So you have the courage within you, and each being does. And when you're ready, you are ready. So, you know, you have the courage within you in each being does. And now you have tons of support because there's all kinds of amazing people coming forth with, you know, techniques and tools and information. And the podcast is always here for you.

And the podcast is here for you. And we've got Lisa with with whole body beautiful and that's right and ritual so lisa when how long have you been on a plant-based diet um well i was vegetarian for years i was in paris i remember you can't be vegan in paris can you no we have i was vegetarian in paris you were yeah well yeah because you know well i was thinking about but you know seeing the animals hanging in the windows was really new for that coming from florida i walked by and would see all the you know upside down ducks and animals just all there in the windows and that was pretty wild for me so i kind of stopped eating meat for a while and i was

vegetarian for years um and then started birthing a lot of children and then kind of went into some meat for a while and which was worked well at the time and then after i mean all just kind of evolved for me this is kind of how i just felt and I mean, it all just kind of evolved for me. This is kind of how I just felt and went back to vegetarian and then kind of went to vegan. And, you know, I was training and knew so many great vegan athletes. I said, well, I don't have to worry there. And as I said, I was pretty educated.

You know, there does have some, you need some education, obviously. Being vegan and being an athlete, you have to kind of know what to do a bit. So, yeah, I mean, it's been a good experience. So I would say at least full, but vegan at least three years or more. Three years. Four years. And then, yeah, as I said, vegetarian for like 18 years before that. And how do you feel that eating the vegan plant-based diet has impacted your

training? Like, how does that, I mean, were you, were you racing triathlons before? Like is there a difference that you noticed or some of the things that you've kind of learned about how to repair your body or, you know? I mean, I think, I think recovery is pretty fast. I'm rarely sore. I mean, after a race, I'm a little sore. Well, if you're not, then you didn't go hard enough.

Well, that's a good thing. I mean, I have some pretty hard training things. But yeah, I mean, I have, as I said, I really feel the energy in the food I eat. I mean, I'm kind of like, yeah, I'm off the wall sometimes, even too much, where, you know, I even talk to people about certain things you need to eat to kind of bring down your energy, a lot of roots kind of stuff.

For a vegan, for instance, a lot of root vegetables and yams and that kind of thing is a little more grounding. But, yeah, I mean, I've got so much energy. It's really great. It's pretty awesome, right? Yeah. Do you get shit from people, from other athletes? What is the reception to a triathlete community?

You know, I think they look at you, you know, one, as an athlete. Like, people would look at you or me, and I think they see how you train, they see how you perform, they see how you look, they see the energy you have, the positivity, and they ask you, what are you doing that you can be that way? And I think it just kind of speaks for itself. And so people, I find people coming to me saying, what can I do to have that energy to train like that,

to do what you're doing? And so then it kind of opens the door for them to say, you know, maybe I'll try a little bit of that. And as I said, it's not me pushing being a vegan, but it's what works for me. Well, it's the power of the athlete, because it's just how you're living and performing. People just look at your performance or how you're training day in, day out,

or your race results or what your body looks like, And they make a judgment call as opposed to a doctor who gets up on a podium and says, you should eat this because of X, Y, and Z. Right. Yeah. I mean, there's plenty of nutritionists out there that I know working with the athletes that are pushing protein, protein, lots of meat. Some people are fine with it. Some aren't. And, you know, I would say to them, you know, you have to do what works for you. I mean, it's not working for you. And because you're seeing this person telling you to do that, you know,

doesn't mean, you know, he's the right person for you. Or, you know, he's not working with what you need. Right. So, you know, I tell people to be open and to try different things and to see how it works. And as I said, there is a bit of a science to it, as you know, with certain protein after you've had a long workout and recovery and hydration and carbs,

and there's all that to work with. Right, but it's not that big of a deal. You know what I mean? That shouldn't be a reason to scare somebody off. Oh, no, no. No, and we have everything. I don't mean we as an you know a special group but you know being a plant-based athlete i mean there's plenty of food out there for everybody right you know and there's plenty of stuff to eat and to live healthy to train healthy um you know it's not a problem

i don't think it is you don't think it's not a problem for you i don't think it's a problem so um you had a pretty amazing experience in the form of a crash and uh and really a miraculous recovery and i i'd love for you to tell us and the listeners share that story so So what happened? You were training on Kauai? Yeah, I was on Kauai on a bike, on my bike, on a race bike. And it was, you know, pretty, it wasn't any great story like, you know, at the finish line.

Getting to be first place, going to 55, you know. But, you know, it was on a flat road. I was going about 25, you know, miles per hour, nothing major. And, you know, there was this divot in the road and some sand. They were doing some work on the side. And I had my race wheels on, so, you know, they're lean and mean. And my front wheel just took out, turned all the way left, almost 180 or something, and just threw me onto the highway

and as i was going down i thought my you know my peripheral vision i've just seen if there was a car and i could think i could see one way back there well not too way but way enough that it wasn't on my shoulder and i hit and i bounced i flipped and first thing I thought was just to get out of the road. So I flipped my bike from the left side I hit and flipped it to the right and tried to stand up and took a step and I just kind of got my bearings. And then there was the car that came. He looked at me.

He told me I was pretty bloody, which I didn't remember. So he pulled over and stopped. And I took a step on my left foot and my leg, and I felt like my hip flexor not feeling so great. And the first thing I thought was, oh, damn, I can't run for a couple weeks. And I think I pulled something. I was like, oh, shit. So the guy was there, and he says, where do you live?

And of course, I lived 15 minutes down the road. You know, they say the accident happens five minutes from your house. And he put me in his car with my bike, drove me home. I think one or two, it was very early in the morning, because that's when I rode, really early. And one or two of my kids were there, and kind of carried me, helped me limp over to the couch. And he said to my kids, oh, your mom had a little accident and I just brought her home.

And so my first thing as a mother being, don't worry, kids, I'm okay. And of course, I looked a mess and road rash. And I don't know, my daughter actually took a picture, which I didn't realize till months later. And I saw the picture, which is pretty emotional. And I'm like sitting on the couch. And I saw the picture, which is pretty emotional. And I'm like sitting on the couch. And I had this look on my face of shock. I was in shock and disbelief and just kind of staring out into space. And I don't remember her ever taking that picture. But I think of that picture and it's just wild, you know, because it wasn't me.

I was somewhere else. And a friend of mine came over and tried to clean me up a bit and got me up, and I walked into the bathroom and almost passed out. And she says, you know, I think we should go to the hospital and just have your road rash cleaned up at least, you know, because I popped three Advil, and I thought, you know, I just really pulled something. And went to the hospital.

The doctor was a triathlete and he says well lisa since he took a step or something i think you didn't break anything but let's just take an x-ray and he came back and he was like you know you broke your hip i'm like i did and he says yeah we got to get into or and i'm like what do you mean don't i go home to think about it he says, no, no. So you made a phone call and just so happens someone actually pretty good was on Kauai that did hips and knees. Because other than that,

I'd be out to Honolulu or something off Kauai. And they got me in an ambulance, got me down there and I was in surgery and they bolted in three titanium huge screws, put my hip back together and screwed me together in the hopes that it would mend back so I couldn't walk on it for three months so I was uh crutches um I was allowed to still train after a little while right and you had made this this team that was going to China at the time, right? Oh, right. Yeah. I had just qualified for the national championships three weeks before.

And I was supposed to go to China with the USA team. So that. Well, when it all happened, you know, of course, I told the doctor that. And of course, you're like, I'm training. Like, when can I get back? First thing. You only thought I was going. Titanium pins in your hip.

And you're like, I can run, right? Yeah. So the doctor said, you know,'re like, I can run, right? Yeah. So the doctor said, you know, let's give it three months, no weight bearing. I'm like, because he put me together in the hopes that because I was young and it fit so perfectly that there was a good chance it would heal back. And he didn't want to replace it because he said, you know, you're young. Let's see if you can keep your hip. But there was a third, about a third of the patients that this happens to,

what happens is all the little veins there get sliced. They're broken off, and so they have to reconnect. And there's about a third that don't. Patients, it doesn't happen. So it's not getting enough blood flow to the area. Right. So it gets necrotic. And so we kept, I went off it for three months,

brought my crutches to the pool, was on the trainer, couldn't run, didn't run for a year, by the way. Oh, a whole year, wow. Yeah, well, the story goes is that after about eight months, we had it MRI'd, I went to Colorado, to Stedman Institute, and it came back 90% not healed. After a year? Eight months.

Eight months. So there went China. Because I thought after four months it would heal. This was in like 2010? When was this? Yeah, like two years, two, two and a half. Yeah, about two. And so that was a bummer and so we made the decision i found a great doctor here in la who like pioneered the you know the anterior approach

in the front of the hip and came to him and told him what i did and he was awesome and so he replaced it so now i have a ceramic, full ceramic hip. That's amazing. And, uh. So they take the pins out. How does that work? They create like the ball and the whole thing? Yeah, he took, I've got the pin.

I mean, took the pins out, the hip out. Hip wasn't happening. And I got a full replacement. And he put ceramic in. Because, you know, the metal now they've come out to realize that it's you know the little metal pieces are coming out into the blood and so you know we're like a whole new brand of hip replacements us athletes who are of a certain age and you know we're not in the books as 20 years from now what's happened so he said to me don't run on it for three months um see how you feel and then you can run i thought my running days were over so i

was going to go into cycling i thought okay this is it we'll full-on cycle and you know compete and do that right and then i went back after six weeks and he's like you know what no you can run and so i waited three months and i remembered that first run and you know i just kept you know actually during the the pin stage um i was on kawaii we were racing i had what we called the dream team so i um i did the bike i had a swimmer and i had a runner so we did relays and so kind of kept me training gave me goals you know you and i before we're talking about having goals and you know it was just so important to, even through, um, you know, you know, people who are unhealthy or have medical issues or an injury, you know,

still to have a goal or even not an injury and keep you motivated. And, you know, my goal at first was to get better for China. That wasn't happening. So, um, I just, uh, you know, kept having these little goals, you know, to to have to keep me going. And yeah, it worked. That's amazing. And so how does that color your current perspective on training and racing? Having had that experience, how does that inform how you approach your racing? Are you more scared on the bike, more timid,

or are you more in gratitude for being able to do this again when you thought maybe you wouldn't be able to? Yeah. I mean, in the very beginning when I remember having my first ride on the bike after my hip was replaced, you're a little cautious. And then it's like getting back on the horse. You remember what it feels like. By the way, riding in kawaii is a little scary well people say that that's right we do some major climbing and hills on molehawks i mean it's more like uh because the at least on the north shore the road's always a little bit wet

and what are those berries that fall those trees that are everywhere. Depends on the season. Yeah, like it's just, I feel like the road's always just a little bit slick. It keeps you on your toes. Yeah, for sure. I mean, it's not the best riding. I mean, safety wise. When we were there, everybody was so concerned that Rich was riding on the road.

And then I met you and you weren't concerned at all. No, everyone was like, really, you ride your bike here? Like, you better be careful. They would pull me aside. They were like, get him off. Get him off the bike. I worry about him every time he goes out. It's one road and just goes around the island.

And you know, for me, even here, too, I ride first light. I ride when it's really early. And also here in LA, I ride, usually my long rides on the weekend, you know, really early. There's just so many people out. I mean, on Kauai, there's a lot less people. So when you're out at 6 and 5.30, 6 in the morning, it's fine, you know, really early. There's just so many people out. I mean, on Kauai, there's a lot less people. So when you're out at 6 and 5.30, 6 in the morning, it's fine, you know. And you just got to make that commitment. As we're saying, how do you do it?

Fit it all in, Bill. If you need a three-hour ride, you got to wake up early. You got to go at 5. And also the safety, you know, the safety aspect of it. And so what does a typical training week look like for you? Like I got some grief because I've had a couple of female athletes on the show before, and I haven't been as specific with them about their training routines as I have been with the men, so I got accused of being sexist.

I think you're sexy. Sexy or sexist? Sexy. Same thing. No. No, so tell us. Like, how many hours a week are you training? I mean, you're incredibly fit.

You know, like, you look like you're ready to, like, line up and podium at any race you just put your mind to right now. Which is more than I can say for myself at the moment. You do win a lot. She wins a lot. I try. I mean, it's fun. You know, I do what I can because, as I said, I juggle a lot lot, you know, with kids and my husband travels a lot. He's not at home. I probably in the recovery situation, you know, aspect, I probably need a few more hours sleep than I get. But you know, I'm swimming three, four times a week on the bike three, four times a week. I'm running three, four times a week i'm running three four times a week um i'm now i've really tried to take off a day a week sunday um i just need that and i tell people that too just for the

mental downness you know i look forward to it now just even if it's staying in bed till 6 30 or something oh god forbid so luxurious you know and then my son will say mom is it the day off you know when it's so cute, but I feel bad. I think a day off is super important. I always have taken a day off a recovery day, even super hard training, like always one day off a week. Thank God. I remember when I was training with a coach

and I was going through like two, two and a half weeks before I got a day off. And the first couple months, it was like, whoa. It was hard, but I do what I can. And the first couple months, it was like, whoa. It was hard. But, you know, I do what I can. You know, I don't do ultra like you do. My distances are shorter. You know, I'm running half marathons.

I'm usually racing triathlon in Olympic distance because I like it shorter, faster, sweeter. I know you're a long, a long. That's just because I'm not good at the short stuff. It's so funny. I speak to long distance athletes, and they're like, oh, my God, it's just so painful to go fast. And I'm like, but don't you want to go fast?

Like I'm thinking, an Ironman, I just want to go fast all the time. And I'm like, I can't go that fast on that distance. So, you know, I try to break it up where I can. As I said, for me, I have to have a schedule to juggle all those balls do you work with a coach or do you just come up with your own it depends I have a running coach now I have an awesome swim coach

that's where I'm at I might switch that up later on I used to have one that does it all so it depends on where I'm at because on the off season i was doing a lot of running um as i said i was doing some half marathons and and working more on my running because i had that year off so my swimming and biking were great and then i just needed to boost up their running so i boosted up the running and now i'm just kind of you know

you know it's hard to juggle all three i love it how you say that you know because i had that year off well yeah not your year off from running like it was like it was a break like you went on vacation yeah vacation broken hip i was no but that's but that's powerful it's powerful the way that she looks at it and that's the thing is you when i spoke to you about this experience uh previously it's your attitude you know you have such amazing, positive, kind of can-do attitude. And you do, you have a great energy. So good for you. You know, I think back and kind of, you know, you'd stop and you think probably back for you when you were in like the lowest point you were at. And you think, God, how did I get through that? I think of that sometimes. I think of the

pain I was in, how I was walking. I couldn't walk upstairs normally. I'd had to put one leg out to the side. I was limping. One leg was shorter than the other. And I was just going through it. But I think also your brain gets to a point where you're not maybe firing at 100%, as you probably know. And it's that survival mode. And I think also as athletes, too, we get to this survival mode where we have to actually stop and take a breath and say, also as athletes too we get to this survival mode where we have to actually stop and take a breath and say okay you know this is too much or you know that's not normal that pain or you know i

am training too hard what's up what's behind that you know so to have that day off in the week kind of brings you back to center a little bit and you have to have some experience and kind of self-knowledge to be able to gauge that you know it takes years of kind of training and racing to to kind of be able to gauge those signals when they come up and when you were saying like oh i have a swim coach and i have a running coach and you know i think that that you know if for a less experienced athlete who's trying to do triathlon who has a different coach in all three disciplines, like that can be a problem because, you know, they're getting one thing from their swim coach,

one thing from the running coach and one thing from a cycling coach. And those, those three things may not mesh in a holistic way to make you a better triathlete. You might just end up like exhausted. Well, usually you do because you, they don't know what the program is. As I said, I'm'm i'm kind of work with a i train with a lot of a bunch of athletes that work with our jerry rodriguez who's our swim coach who's great um i love jerry yeah he's awesome um one of these days i will show i'm waiting i keep asking you i'm gonna get there i'm gonna do it i'm dragging your butt um and you know so as i said and the, I'm okay right now.

Because as I've done this for a while, I know what I need to do. And my running coach, Darren DeRook in Boulder, he's great. You know, he's a triathlete as well. He competes. He's an awesome athlete himself. So we kind of all get each other. But as I said, we'll see next season. If I, you know,

want to go full bore, you know, I'll probably would get a coach for everything and then just look at my race plan. I mean, this year is a little hard. My husband's been away all year, you know,

injury thing, coming back into running, you know, doing a few races, but you know, I'm just kind of assessing everything. So you're not keyed up for one specific race that you're going well i was what do you what are you supposed to race two races this month but i had a little bit of a

injury so i'm not uh those are out unfortunately so i'm kind of reassessing them yeah what was wildflower one of them yeah yeah i was supposed to race in the itu two weeks before that. Oh, in San Diego. Yeah. Yeah. And what happened? Well, little, the bike, little slide out and fractured six ribs. So I'm... Just a little, just fractured six ribs. But I'm feeling good today. Today was my first run back

and first full swim. And I'm ready to go, you know. She's an iron woman. I know. I cracked a few ribs when I crashed in Kauai He's such a pussy I was done What's wrong with you? She met me the next day

We were hanging out She'd already been writing You were swimming? You tried to swim No, actually, you were going to come in and do the podcast That's right I think you would have If I had said oh come on you was you still would have shown up yeah i'm happy instead of in pain no you know it you know then i think back i'm and i don't say six rags to rids nothing but you know you well, you know, I've been through worse and it'll heal.

And the frustrating part for me is that I'm not, you know, doing the races I wanted to do. But, you know, I always say that other things happen. You know, this didn't happen, but I had an awesome month with clients and people I've helped. Some awesome things have happened. And that's good. It might not have happened if, you happened if I was away with it.

It's important to reserve judgment on things like that that happen because you don't have the big picture. You don't know. You're not in a position to say this is bad and this is good. Yeah, and it always works out. It's not life and death. And you just kind of re-alter and you re-look and your goals kind of re-alter and you re-look and get some your goals kind of switch and

you know it works out and it's easier to have that perspective when this is the lifestyle that you've adopted it's not about like i need to do this this year all is lost it's like no this is the way you live your life like your the expression of your life is manifest through you know the activities that you do and what you share with your clients. And whether you're injured or not, that will continue. Right. And I think it just makes me, kind of gives character to who you are

and how you're dealing with it. And as I said, it's all a movement forward. It's all another part of you, and you become stronger. As I said, with what you a movement forward. It's all another part of you and you become stronger. You know, as I said, with what you went through, with, you know, what I went through, if we didn't, we wouldn't be who we are. What do you say to clients that come to you and, you know, they want to start exercising or they don't have a history of being an athlete. They're not connected to their body in that way. You know, maybe they hate running or just have never had a good experience with doing anything outdoors, but they need to do something. Like, what is the advice that you give?

Well, usually I'll probably ask what they enjoy. You know, what is it they really enjoy, what they're doing now. And as I said, I would say it's a step-by-step, you know, program. It's just the way we take things. It's not the way we take things. It's not all at once. If it's for someone that does absolutely nothing, that's overweight, I said, can you walk for 5, 10 minutes after dinner?

What time do you have? When's the best time for you? What can you do? And they'll start off with walking. Or there's people that have started back running again. They haven't for years. Or, as I said, with the switch in diet and then the exercise, all of a sudden, as you said, they start to feel it. They start feeling more confident.

They're dropping a few pounds, or they're getting more energy. Or you work with athletes that are switching things up that they never thought of switching up, or they're giving themselves more downtime. You deal with people like that who overtrain, who are just so busy just actually to talk to you, they can't even schedule that in. So that's what I said.

People come to me when it's kind of time and they're ready because you're going to make that time. And I say, you know, this time isn't me trying to tell you for the hour of how to do it. It's you giving yourself the time and you making the commitment because this is for you. You know, this is your time. So, you know, as I said, I work around what's possible for them to start with.

And also, as I said, what they enjoy. Because if they don't enjoy it, they're not going to stick to it. Right. I like it. What do you think, Julie? I think it's genius. You think it's beyond kale? It's beyond the kale.

It's definitely beyond the kale. It's definitely beyond the kale. That is totally beyond the kale. Yeah, I think it's great. I think it's wise. Absolutely. Because, you know, we should all be doing what we love and enjoying ourselves. So it's different for everybody. But I'm just sitting here imagining what it would be like for Lisa to get me out on the bike.

That's hilarious. You've got to do that just because I want to see that. I want to make a videotape of Julie with a kit on and a bike helmet on because I just can't even picture that. Actually, I can't picture you jogging. You mean jogging? Actually, I can't even picture you in a pair of running shoes, just standing in a pair of running shoes. I would be a barefoot runner, I think, sweetie.

Yeah, I can see the vibrams. I can see that. The vibram thing. But I don't know. I'm open. One step at a time, Julie. I know. That would absolutely

be the most hilarious thing ever if you like started training and you were like I'm going riding with Lisa I'd be like

what is going on that would not be good for our marriage I know that would create some new challenges

you can't train today babe because I'm training with Lisa we're going out for eight hours. We've got an eight-hour ride. Got to go. See you later.

See you. Trying to work it all in. No, I don't. I really don't. I'm doing threshold intervals. Julie has her own thing, right? Everyone's different. I don't think so.

Right? But I don't know. I want to try it. I'll give you a swim lesson if you want. That would be amazing. Let's do that, definitely. All right. It's time I learned how to swim.

Yeah. At this beautiful pool. I've been married for 14 years. Honey, we've been together. What's going on? Whoops. Ooh. Oh, I like that.

It's like a little interim. No, what happened? That's the... I guess that's my key to go. That's the Rich and Julie's. They've been married for 14 years. Oh, excuse me. That's good.

I like that. I don't think that will... I like that. That's the outro that was left over from the last episode. Actually, I think when we do this, you won't hear that. I like it, actually. You should make sure they hear it. I guess that's when the last episode ended,

and I forgot to take that out to create this. It's cool. I love that track. Because I'm an audio genius. We're getting Rich some audio assistance so that he can do more podcasts. Actually, I'm looking for a podcast producer, somebody with solid audio chops. He's in the Los Angeles area who wants to come and be a part of this little pirate ship that we're growing here. So if there's anybody out there who's listening, who's interested,

you can get in touch with me on Twitter or by sending an email through my website at richroll.com because we're trying to create the foundation to grow this into something bigger and eventually create a network of shows too. So there's a lot of upside opportunity. And I got a show coming up. What's that? Your show. eventually create a network of shows too. So there's a lot of upside opportunity and yeah. And I got a show coming up. What's that? Your show.

Yeah. Yeah. Beyond the kale. No, I can't. I'm there. I'm going to have to change the name now. It's divine through line,

but beyond the kale is pretty good. That is pretty good. Actually, I think that captures. We better grab that. Cause you are beyond the pale anyway. That's funny. But anyway, so now, honey, we haven't been married 14 years. No, we've been married for 10.

Is it going to be 10? Coming up on 11? Coming up? No, coming up on 10. July 12th. No, is it 11? No, I think it's 10. Yeah, it's 10.

You don't know? We don't know. Shame on you. Every day is like the first date with you every day is a honeymoon definitely beyond the kale that statement but we've been together

14 years let's wrap it up wait does Lisa have anything else I'm going to get into that you're so proprietary with your podcast. So thanks for being here, Lisa. Thanks for having me. So if people want to find out more about the wonderful, beautiful Lisa Fallon Mendel,

you can go to wholebodybeautiful.com. That's the main way, right? Right, that's my website. It's your website. Yeah, it's on Facebook. Facebook and Twitter. Is it wholebodybeautiful on Facebook or just your name? Oh, yeah. Lisa Metfallen-Mindel on Facebook.

Cool. And you occasionally tweet. Yeah. You're not afraid of Twitter. Yeah, you know, I'm trying to get that Twitter. You're good at that, you know? I'm the early adopter. Yeah, I do more of a longer bloggers and photos and recipes and talking. I can't speak that long.

You have a cap on Twitter. Are you on Instagram? Yeah. Oh, you're there. Yeah, whole body beautiful. I follow you on Instagram. I got some good shots. Right on.

And are you taking new clients now? Like if somebody's interested in speaking to you or learning more about what you're doing? Give me, they can look at my website and see what I'm about and send me a message on that. We can talk. All right. Yeah.

Cool. All right. I think we did it. Yeah. Thanks. Thank you. How do you feel? Good.

Did you get it all out? Anything else we didn't? We could just keep going. I don't know. Lots of stuff. We'll have to do it again. We'll just keep going. Yeah, we'll come back. We'll have keep going. I don't know. Lots of time. We'll have to do it again. We'll have you back. We'll just keep going.

Yeah, we'll come back. We'll have you back. We'll do it again after Lisa coaches me in my first triathlon. Yeah, that'll be good. We're going to get her on a super sprint. We'll have to create a web series around that. We could put that one up on Funny or Die. Yeah.

What if it's not funny? Well, then it'll die. Okay. Sounds good. All right. Thanks, Rich Roll. Thank you for being here. You're an inspiration.

You're awesome. Thanks for doing this. We're lucky and happy to have you in our life. Absolutely. Me too. And we got to go get that swim in soon. Yes. We're waiting.

I know. Well, I'm not going to wait. I'm just going to bring it in. Well, I've been flaky. So it's time for me to... get that swim in soon. Yes, we're waiting. I know. Well, I'm not going to wait. I'm just going to bring it in. Well, I've been flaky, so it's time for me to... Commit. Commit, right. Commit. All right, we're out of here.

Thanks, everybody. We're back soon with more episodes coming at you. I'm going back to New York pretty soon, and I'm lining up some cool guests for my visit there. Oh, actually, you know, I just had some emails today with, I tweeted the other day. I don't know if you saw this. There's this one public school in the Bronx that is the first school to institute a vegetarian school lunch.

That's awesome. Yeah, I read about that. I've been emailing back and forth with the teacher there and I'm going to try to get him on the podcast and he's going to, he's trying to, he had to get clearance from the school system or whatever to come and talk about it. But I think that that's, that's amazing. So hopefully I'm going to sit down with him and learn more about how they made that happen because the school lunch thing, like I said, that's,

that's a huge thing that we all need to pay attention to. And that's why I pack my kids lunch. Yeah, absolutely. All right, that's it. Thanks, Lisa. Yeah, thank you. All right, everybody. Talk to you soon. Peace. Thank you.