The Rich Roll Podcast - New Year’s Resolutions

Episode Date: January 2, 2013

Rich and Julie discuss the hows, whys and why nots of New Year's resolutions, Eckhart Tolle, The “Icarus Deception”, the importance of going “inside”, setting goals and how to set yourself up for successfully achieving them. SHOW NOTES Free Shipping on Vitamix Purchases The Power of Now: A Guide to Spiritual Enlightenment* by Eckhart Tolle A New Earth: Awakening to Your Life's Purpose (Oprah's Book Club, Selection 61)* by Eckhart Tolle The Artist's Way* by Julia Cameron The Icarus Deception: How High Will You Fly?* by Seth Godin *Disclosure: Books and products denoted with an asterisk are hyperlinked to an affiliate program. We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.

are you ready i'm ready for episode nine i'm ready i'm so ready it's been a little while i feel like i keep saying that like the plan was to do two or three a week and it devolved into one a week and then well you know it's holidays right we've had a lot of other stuff going on too i know it's trying to but i promise we're actually we're this is hey it's rich and julie hey julie hey rich it's podcasting from the warehouse in kawaii we have 10 more days here and then we're going back to los angeles so the point i was going to make was that when we get back i'm going to have i'm going to back it up like back-to-back live guests i'm going to try to do one like every other day and get tons of them out there it's going to be scary good the lineup the la lineup so anyway you'll just have to

tolerate the solo rich and julie Julie show a little bit longer. But pretty soon, yeah, I'm going to have tons of cool guests coming on. So thanks for all the support. Like I keep saying, it's been really fun doing this. And we appreciate all the early comments and reviews on iTunes and tweets and Facebook posts and all that kind of good stuff. It's been really cool doing the show. And it's also been interesting, you know,

when I wrote my book, it kind of put me into a public spotlight in a way that I certainly had never been before. And there's a lot of cool, great things about that. And you also have to weather, like weather the storms of discontent. Like my hater comments. Well, I mean, I was getting to that. But before I get to that, well, first of all,

the purpose of this podcast, it's New Year's Day, so we're going to talk about New Year's resolutions. That's the theme of the podcast. But before we do that, yeah, I just wanted to touch on kind of the feedback. And the feedback, you know, that I got on the book was overwhelmingly positive. But, you know, there's always somebody who doesn't like it or it wasn't what they thought it was going to be or whatever. And that's fine, you know, perfectly content to, you know, entertain people's, you know, criticisms, constructive or otherwise.

But there's also been some constructive and not so constructive criticism of the podcast, which has been interesting. You know, I'm used to it, but for Julie, this is kind of a new thing. So there were some people who absolutely love Julie and the dynamic between us. And then there's other people who are like, give Rich his own podcast. Let her have her own. Let her have her own. What is she doing? I want my own. There goes Julie. She's dominating the conversation again. She won't let Rich make a point. How does that make you feel? It's, no, it's a little, it's a little edgy. I mean, it's a little, it's a little edgy. I mean, it's a little vulnerable

because this is a very open forum. And I think the thing that keeps it really good is being able to keep it really free and open. And I think when you get a really mean comment or someone's like, I think I've had about enough of hers I can take or something like that. Or, oh no, I got in trouble

because I mentioned somebody who's a friend of mine who happens to be famous, who actually, when she was my friend, she wasn't, but, and it was completely relevant to the, to the subject we were talking about. But in any case, I think it, I think it's, it gave me a moment to reflect and, and you know, I think you and I talked about, I mean, you know, we have to remain in that neutral place of harmony and balance where, you know, we're not going on the seesaw or the yo-yo of, you know, oh, this is the greatest thing ever or, oh, it's the worst thing ever. Yeah, you're not as good as, you know, all the people that are, you know, raving and giving you all this praise and you're not as bad as the people that are angry with you for whatever reason. No, and I think... You do what you do. And I think that's relevant to New Year's resolutions

and restarting and, you know, what does 2013 bring? Because for me, it's all about a sense of self and creating boundaries and knowing who you are and what your message is and what you're here to offer. And if you kind of sway with the tide, like if somebody says, well, you know, you shouldn't do this and you should do that. And you react to that and then respond accordingly to that, because that's what somebody said. Is that really, you know, what you want or what your message is? And so it just, it makes you ask those questions.

And it really could, it it could and if you did that you would be compromising the authenticity of who you are and so you know you're you're never going to be liked by everybody and you're you know you're not going to be hated by everybody either so you know it's just at the end of the day i have to look deep inside my heart and make sure that i am communicating about the issues that i'm passionate about and that are true to my heart and true to us as a couple and as a family and And, you know, at the end of the, at the end of the day, that's all we can do. Right. I mean, so Julie's here to stay on the podcast. So for all my haters, I have a very long, I will have, you know, plenty of other guests and I'll have plenty of other guests, and I'll do plenty just with me and guests.

But Julie is my co-host, and take it or leave it. If you're not enjoying that and you don't like it, then this podcast isn't for you, I suppose. Yeah, and if you hate it, it is free, and you can just don't listen to it. That would work. That would work for you really well. That's the other funny thing, when you give somebody something for free and then they're angry. Yeah, they're like pissed off. Because it's not what they want.

There you go. We're trying to give you quality in any case. We're trying. We try hard. We try hard. You can't please everybody. If you are, then something's wrong, I think. Right.

Then you're mediocre. Yeah, you've got to take a stand. At best. You've got to take a stand. best you got to take a stand and and when you take a stand on anything you you will attract the people that respond to that but you will ultimately divide people too you always will there's nothing wrong with that i guess it's true i've been known to produce extreme reactions in individuals. Usually I'm the last one to know, though, because I'm very,

I just sort of walk around in my neutral place of loving acceptance for all things. I'm not so neutral. I get more reactive. By the way, for the people out there who are commenting like, I thought this was a health and nutrition podcast and they're, you know, maybe they just, they read the book or they know who I am or they don't know

who I am or whatever. And they come here and they think that they're going to get, they think they're going to get a triathlon training program from the podcast that that's not really what this podcast is about. I said that from the beginning, but I should probably reiterate it if somebody's just tuning in now. There are plenty of great podcasts out there with tons of expert advice on how to prepare for an Ironman, how to prepare for a triathlon. Check out Ben Greenfield Fitness, Zen and the Art of Triathlon, I Am Talk. There are already people out there that have been doing it for a long time and doing it very, very well.

And so when I started this podcast, I wanted to do something a little bit different. First of all, I don't want to tread on their terrain. They're already doing it very well. And I listen to all those podcasts and I get a lot out of them. I wanted to bring something a little bit different to the table.

Of course, I will be talking about, you know, nutrition and nutrition for performance and, you know, vegan diet and how to eat a vegan diet and be an athlete and all of that good stuff. And, you know, how my training is going and tips for, you know, you guys to take your, you know, training programs to the next level and all of that is part of this podcast. But I also wanted to offer something a little bit broader and kind of go behind the curtain a little bit to stuff that maybe is a little bit more important in the whole context of life, I suppose. So that's not going to resonate with everybody and that's okay.

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I'm sort of sitting in a new place this year. I have to say that I have no New Year's resolutions. And it doesn't mean... How do I explain this? I really feel like the energy of this year is coming from a different place, more of a receptive, magnetic, attractive kind of place of beingness where I would say that I have some visions you could call them dreams or visions and rather than making a resolution a resolution almost feels outdated to me at this point

from where I'm sitting although I'm sure that it's useful to many people but it almost feels like, you know, dreaming your dream and feeling it in all of your senses. Like instead of making a goal or a hard, fast sort of milestone to achieve,

what if we described it in a way where we described the emotions or the experiences that we wanted to experience or have in our lives? So what if we said, you know, I want to experience more connection, more community, more love, more intimacy, more creativity, more health? But you need a roadmap to get to those things. Yeah, but see, when you're going into your mind, when you say, well, you need a roadmap, so it's your mind trying to put it in a structure so that your mind feels okay.

And what I'm suggesting is that there is a more expanded way of accessing a higher level of information by dropping into your heart and feeling how something feels in your body. That's a much more powerful way to attract something into your life. So I know it's confusing because we're used to doing it the other way, but, and this is where the meditation and the diet and the, you know, really getting inside of yourself in a quiet way. It's a receptive way. It's a magnetic way. It's a heart way of being. You want to know what I think? Yes. I'm sure it will be exactly the opposite. No, I'm conflicted over it, actually, because I think that, you know, having resolutions to, you know, improve yourself over the course of the year is obviously a good thing, you know.

And in the pantheon of, like, holidays where, you know, society imposes these, you know, mandatory things upon us, it's probably the best one. You know, it's sort of like, it's Valentine's Day, so you must go out and, you know, buy this and do this for your spouse or your partner or whatever. And it's like, really? You know, just because, you know, the greeting card industry wants me to do. You're not gonna get me a box of red heart chocolates? Well, no, you know, we have these rules in our culture, you know, and it's sort of like,

well, on Christmas, you get the tree and on Valentine's Day, you get the box of candy and you just do what you're supposed to do or whatever. And I kind of resent some of that. Yeah. You know, like, well, just because you're telling me that this is the day that I need to show love for my partner, that's the day that I have to do it. And if I don't, I'm in trouble.

You're in big, big trouble if you don't. Based on my last five years of Valentine's Day. But so, yeah, but New Year's Day being resolution, like that's, you know, that's kind of what you do, right? It's on the better side. But here's what I think. In my experience, you know, you always hear like the jaded person or the jaded side of me would say, well, people don't change. You know, you can make your resolutions, that's fine. But like, you know, who actually falls through on this stuff? It's a bunch of nonsense. And, you know, nobody really ever changes anyway. And, you know, my message has always been, yeah, you can change. I changed, you know, people can change when, you know, the sort of right circumstances arise with the right

sort of will and spiritual alchemy and follow through and actions and support and all these kinds of things. Remarkable change can happen in human beings. I believe in the potential of humans to completely alter who they are if they, you know, desire to do so. But I also think that people are motivated to change when they're in pain, when they're under extreme duress, you know, like there has to be pressure on somebody. So are your resolutions sort of like you get well no you get a diamond you know when you exert incredible pressure on carbon right you know what i mean like the good thing comes out of out of pressure and so with with new year's resolutions there isn't really that there's a lot of lip service really you

know what i mean it's sort of like, I liken it to doing an intervention on an addict that doesn't really want to get sober. You know what I mean? It's sort of like, well, the family and society at large believes that this person needs to change their behavior. But if that person isn't ready to change or they don't really want to, or even if they say they want to, but in their heart they don't really want to or they're not ready to, they might change for a little while, but it won't be long before they're back doing whatever it is that they were doing before. Right?

So the point being that the desire to change has to come from inside yourself. It has to be a self-generated, strong impulse. It has to be a self-generated strong impulse. Right. You know, and usually that impulse comes from, again, you know, pain or pressure or something amiss in your life that is driving you to be different than who you are. That's right. Like, you don't just wake up, everything's great and say, well, I'm going to change and be this now. Like, maybe that happens for some people. I'm going to be blonde next week.

That would be the, well, that's easy to do we can make that happen if you want but you know what i'm saying you know what my point you understand my point yeah i understand your point and um so so uh so are we saying possibly there could be some sort of blend of a process that might be of of service to well what it brings me back to your point your point, which is basically what you're saying is instead of making this list, go inside yourself. And I guess I'm saying the same thing, which is it all starts with inside. It's an inside job, right?

Like what you manifest in your exterior is really only a reflection of what's going on inside. So before you can say, I want X, Y, and Z in the exterior world, whatever those things may be, the best way or really the only way to get that in a sustainable and true fashion is by doing the interior work. You know what I mean? Absolutely. And I get every year, the past couple of years, around this time, I get asked by various blogs and websites, you know, could you give five tips to, you know, for people to get healthier in the new year, to help them with their resolutions. And I'm happy to do it.

Like, I want to help. And I believe that I have tools that are helpful. And we can talk about some of those. And, you know, hopefully they're helpful to people. But I always feel when I do that, like it's a little glib. You know, it's sort of like, you know, do this, do that. Right. It's sort of like.

It's a little surfacy. And then I do it and I go, I wonder if that actually ever really helped anybody. Maybe it did. I don't know. You know. But I think there's also something to, to, uh, that energy that we experienced in our relationship where, you know, I was pushing for something, you know, different within you, within our relationship, um, haha, within you. That's funny. Um, but, uh, you know, And what about if we started with this really grand acceptance of exactly where we are right now?

So again, it comes down to the faith question to myself, you know, at a higher level has me exactly in the experience that is exactly appropriate for me at this point in time. And so if we started off by just having that embrace, that acceptance of exactly where you are in your life. And it doesn't matter where that is. It could be very low. It could be in a very traumatic situation. And begin from there. Begin with the love and acceptance from there. And then, yes, vision. Yes, dream. Yes, do, you know, I call it detached action. You know, it's like you're acting spontaneously in ways that are in alignment with your highest vision of being and living lifestyle, if you want to sort of simplify it. So, from that point of being in acceptance, of accepting yourself first, then you can start to identify, you know, like I would like more health in my life,

for instance, coming up. I would like, I'd like to raise the bar on all of that, even up, even raise that up a level. Yeah, but let me just interrupt you because for me, like, I'm able to change only when I look at something inside of myself and say, that's unacceptable. You know, I cannot accept this part of the way that I'm living anymore. That has to change. Like it's, it's, it's my refusal to accept that.

That is the driver for the change. Right. So how do you reconcile that with, with see that's the, that's. Yeah, but I don't, I don't know if I agree with that with possibly,

I mean, in our situation, our big catalyst, which basically is the birth of this entire movement and why we're sitting where we are, came from you being completely loved and accepted exactly how you were. But that's you towards me. Right, I know, but we do it towards ourselves as well. It still can inflict sort of like a prison on yourself. The self-judgment is worse than anybody else's judgment on any other person. That's always the case. Yeah, it's always the case. But I feel like that was a part of why I was able to change because I wasn't, you know,

irrespective of where you were coming from towards me, it was my, you know, internal decision that this is not acceptable anymore. But what, and why was that? Why was it not acceptable? Because what, this is, I think it's the next step. What were you desiring in your life? What were the emotions that you wanted to experience or the events you wanted to experience right i mean it wasn't it wasn't like i had i woke up and i made a resolution that i was going to do

ultraman right that at all it was like i did like i always said it was i want to you know i want to be healthy i want to have good energy i want to feel good i want to be happy i want to feel good in my body it was it wasn't specific it was just, that was the emotion, I suppose. So, that's what I'm saying is I just, I really feel strongly at this point in our evolution, where we are, where all things are in the world that we live in, that it is imperative that we connect to our hearts because the heart is what contains the divine message. And I am just saying your soul message, your life message, whatever that is, whoever you are, the answer is in your heart. It's not in your mind. And,

and the resolutions tend to be, they feel sort of like little prison cells, uh, or judgments, um, and that, you know, maybe could be a little just harsh. That's all. But they're not harsh if... I mean, I've always operated very well in a structured environment where I have goals and I'm on a schedule and I'm working towards that. You do. You work very well that way.

And you don't operate that way. No, I don't. So we speak different languages in this regard. And I understand what you're saying, and I believe in that. But I think for me, it's a means of trying to reconcile those two things and have them fit together in a way that works. Like, I agree that you have to go inside. You have to connect with your heart. You have to set aside that idle chatter in your

mind that, you know, and if you don't understand like kind of what we're talking about, again, listen to the Eckhart Tolle's book, The Power of Now, because he talks all about this. It's actually a great way to start 2013 is to listen to that book. It will really help you sort of make that distinction between, you know, who you are as a person, like your soul person versus what the mind does and understanding that, you know, that you are not your mind. You're not your mind. And then also your mind is not always your friend. And for most people, myself included, like I let my mind control who I am far too often. And understanding that you have power over your thoughts and learning how to develop mastery over that and control over the way that your brain thinks is actually a very powerful recipe for changing your life

completely. So, you know, if you start there, then i think that you're on a trajectory that will set you on a better path to understanding yourself better and then you're in a place where whatever goals you set for yourself are kind of in alignment with who you are because if you're disconnected from who you are as a person you can set a goal you can say i want i want to run a 10k in this time or i want to run my first marathon or i want to lose 10 pounds or you know i, I want to run a 10K in this time, or I want to run my first marathon, or I want to lose 10 pounds, or I want to learn to play the banjo, or whatever it is. But is that really what you want? Is that really the goal that you're supposed to be seeking? Can you say with conviction that that is the best goal for you to be setting? If you look back a year from now and say,

that was the best use of my time. If you Like if you look back a year from now and say, that was the best use of my time. Like if you're super connected with who you are and you really are tuned into your, you know, authentic self and you have mastery over your thoughts and you are connected to your heart, then yeah, it probably is. But if you're not and you're kind of floating through life and, you know, kind of going wherever the wind blows and not really sure of, you know, who you are, where you're supposed to go, then that goal that you set, that resolution may not be really what you're supposed to be doing, right? Does that make sense? Yeah, absolutely. Because you're disconnected, because you don't really know the answer. And maybe it was somebody else's idea of what you should do. Or maybe it was societies or your parents or your wife or husband or your kids or whoever. So,

yeah, it's getting connected with your heart that's going to give you, it's going to give you the answers that you need. It's going to just inspire you. You're going to be spontaneously inspired. And when it comes to you, it's like, it's like play. It's like, um, you know, it just, it just comes. It's not hard. It's not easy. It's not, I mean, it's easy. It's, uh, it's not violent. Um, it's not judgmental. It's spontaneous and flowing. Um, and, and that's how, that's how I would describe it when you're it when you're really connected. So how can somebody get more connected? What would you, you know, I want to take it down from the atmosphere and actually give people some things that they can do.

Well, the first thing is, I mean, honestly, I mean, we already said Eckhart Tolle, like get it, get both books and listen to them or read them. And, you know, the other thing is for me, see for you, it's training. For me, it's yoga and meditation. And I do this specific humming meditation that's on one of our meditation programs that we offer. And the reason I offer it is because it's the thing that literally shifted my life more than anything else. So it's very, very powerful. And I do that almost every day. Um, I play music, I paint, uh, I practice being, uh, in the moment, uh, in the moment as consciously as I can.

So like if I'm, like somebody yesterday came in the kitchen in the yurts and they were talking about New Year's Eve and, you know, well, you know, what are you guys doing tomorrow? And I said,

I have no idea what we're doing. I know right now I'm making vegan tempeh chili. And that's what I'm doing. Literally, I said, I have no idea what we're doing. I know right now I'm making vegan tempeh chili. And that's what I'm doing. Literally, I live fully in the present task of whatever I'm doing right then. And it can be even dialed down to the breath, to taking a breath in and taking a breath out. and taking a breath out. So in my experience and in our life and our path and what we've been through is absolutely nothing has been stable.

We don't know what's happening the next hour, much less tomorrow or next week or next month. That doesn't sound very comforting. It's not. It's really frightening in the beginning, very comforting it's not it's it's it's really frightening in the beginning um but uh it is it's the illusion see we you know we go around we we come into these bodies and we and we set up these families or you know we get bank accounts and we get cars and we get 401ks and we get insurance and we walk around and we think that we're so responsible and we have everything figured out. And, you know, as one of the great masters say, you know, all mother earth

has to do is just shake just, just a little, she just shakes a little and the whole thing's, you know, completely destroyed. So it's just an illusion. All of those systems, you can plan as, as much as you want to plan. And, you know, if God has something else, you know, on the books for you, it's not going to help you. So it's the illusion of hanging on to that you're safe by having all these structures around you. So real freedom is being so grounded in yourself from within that it doesn't matter with the external what's going on around you. And don't misunderstand me. I am not insensitive or detached from human suffering at all. So I'm not saying that it won't be painful, at all. So I'm not saying that it won't be painful, but I'm saying that you can access a place of peace that is beyond the highs and the lows, where it's consciousness that is radiating always, and it is the truth of who you are.

And so human life is suffering. Just look around you. All you have to do is turn on the news. I mean, every single person you know in your life, almost across the board, is dealing with some sort of very intense scenario, whether it's financial collapse, illness, you know, all kinds of things.

So, it's finding this place of stillness that it all sort of sits in, that the whole experience sort of sits in, sort of a backdrop. Well, right. I mean, in other words, to go through life and something great happens and then you're happy and then something bad or something you label as being bad happens

and then you're not so happy or you're anxious or you get a bill in the mail and it creates anxiety. How am I going to pay this? And then you're worried or you're stressed or, you know, you get a bill in the mail and it creates anxiety. How am I going to pay this? And then you're worried or you're stressed. So all these external factors that influence your emotional wellbeing. And so what you're saying is really the other side of pain, pleasure and pain. Can you get to a place where, where you are happy irrespective of those outside circumstances and that, and that those external stimuli

don't really move the meter one way or the other. That's right. But to me, as somebody who likes extremes, that sounds boring. Yeah. Well, are you tired enough yet? Yeah. I am. I'm getting pretty exhausted. T of the extremes no no no just of you know i mean it really like look at our light like look at just a year of

life a slice of life last year we experienced extreme highs and extreme lows like just sort of the yeah the full color spectrum right is in in in in all the colors and uh no i tweeted yesterday like you know in in many ways 2012 was the best year of my life like so many incredible things happened you know the book came out and i got to travel around and meet all these people and speak and it was really like like, I felt like I'd, you know, really stepped into like a version of myself that I had always wanted to be, you know, and it was a celebration of that in many ways. And it was, it was incredible, um, you know, beyond what I could have ever predicted or expected. And certainly like looking back, you know, five or six years ago, I couldn't have even imagined doing this at all. It wasn't even, not because I didn't believe that I was capable of doing, like even just the field of being what I'm,

that I'm in right now, I would not, I wouldn't have understood why I would even be doing that. Like when you say, you know, tell God what your plans are and that's the way you make God laugh or whatever. Like I would have never predicted this path for myself. And yet it's been incredibly gratifying and amazing in so many ways and fantastic, but also, you know, kind of behind the curtain at the same time, you know, we went through a lot, you know, we went through a lot financially. It was a very, very difficult year. And we had a lot of challenges with that. And so on the surface, it looked amazing. We look really good on the website. And then the 8x10 glossy, it looks really good. And at the same time, yeah, we were, and we continue to deal with a lot. And so for me, And we continue to deal with a lot. And so for me, when I see a friend of mine who's very financially successful or has this or has that, my human instinct is to not really be jealous but kind of look at myself in the mirror and go, why don't I have that?

Yeah, what's wrong with you? If I had that, then i'd be happy and it's understanding that that person may have that in order but you know everybody has something that they're that they're dealing with nobody gets out of this intact you know we all have stuff that well and yeah and the other thing is is that you have to everybody has their unique karmic path like you can't live someone else's path. It's a completely individual unique thing. So the whole focus should be on trying to find out who you are, trying to connect to who you are. Because I guarantee you, you were created in some genius way. And there's something in there that only you do in a certain way. And so, you know, I always tell the kids that I, when I teach kids yoga,

I always say, please be more of who you are. Please, please do that. And that's not to say, you know, and I talk about this a lot. It's not to say that, you know, everybody's going to be Michael Jordan. No, it doesn't matter. or that everybody is going to be the best in the world at whatever it is that they're doing. But I think it's important to, to with the children and with ourselves to give ourselves that,

um, freedom to explore that side of ourselves that as we grow older into adulthood really gets crushed right yeah it does well i always say it starts you know in the first art class when you have you know teachers that are preparing art projects um really for the parents so that the parents can look at a picture of a duck and it looks like a duck and they can feel good that their kid drew a duck or pasted a duck or how about the teachers that just cut it out

and they give the kids the shapes and then they just stick those on but you know I used to teach. As opposed to what? Well as opposed to I mean I taught you know I volunteered in preschool art and I used to have them make like I'd give them some clay and I'd say okay you know

make a fish and so you know they'd all make fishes you know in a different million different ways and so then I would hold up you know one that was very specifically looked like a fish like very smooth and you know sort of very straight down the the middle and I would then hold up one that was all contorted and you know the the body was way big and the fin was way little or however this child made it and I would say to the class which one's better and they would all point at the one that looked more typically like a fish and I would say no they both are because in art there is no, you know, there's no scale. It's like it's an expression of the heart and both are valid.

So I meet a lot of people and they'll say right off, you know, I'm medium, clay, whatever they feel good with. Everybody's an artist. Everybody has some, and I love working with sculpture and clay because it's very childlike. You know, you can mold it and there's builders and then there's carvers. You know, you can take away or you can build something up. But everybody has a different, I call it a different hand, like a different thumb, a different way they mark the clay. And it's very gorgeous to see because there's so many different types of individuals. And we really need all of us to make a beautiful bouquet of flowers or a beautiful community. When you say art, you know, art doesn't mean art class or painting or drawing.

I think art is the external manifestation of whatever you're passionate about in life. You know, I think that we relegate the definition of art to a very narrow thing. But in my opinion, the best art is the expression of somebody who is fully actualized. And the medium in which that's expressed can be anything, right? Yeah, absolutely. Right? Yeah, absolutely.

So, you know, for some it's painting, but, you know, that's a very small fraction of what the human population has to offer. Yeah, it could be. And the other thing is consciousness. And this is also this thing, and I think that, I mean, maybe I'm sort of over it because I sort of went through that stage in spiritual seeking.

But I think at the beginning, when we're talking about connecting with consciousness or God or this power like, you know, greater outside of ourselves, we think that there's a value difference, you know, like we think that it's better to be a monk or it's better to, or if you're spiritual, you know, you can't cuss or if you're spiritual, you know, you won't watch an episode of Breaking Bad. You know, you sort of project this non-human sort of construct onto whoever, you know, you think is a spiritual teacher or a spiritually connected person. And really, when you get to the truth of it all, consciousness doesn't care what you do. It doesn't place any value difference. Like the

Dalai Lama isn't more special than, you know, a street sweeper or a gardener or, and a child is, you know, not less special than, you know, Einstein. You know, it doesn't care. It literally doesn't care. And we used to joke too about that consciousness doesn't even care if someone's an atheist. You know, like there's literally like, it's almost like there's no judgment. It's a completely open field of creation and expression. And every single living thing is part of that. There's a, the famous writer Seth Godin has a new book coming out. It's called The Icarus Deception.

It's very interesting. He just put up a trailer film for it that I watched the other day. And I think I tweeted, yeah, I tweeted it. I'll put it in the show notes. But it's an interesting thesis to this book, which is, he's essentially saying that our society through education and our job systems and all this sort of thing has stripped everyone away of any of their creative impulses. And, you know, we're taught to do the safe thing in a business context and, you know, in whatever it is that we do. And we're kind of rewarded up the corporate ladder for playing it safe. Like if you're, you know, working for a corporation and, you know, your job is to

sit on this committee and make decisions about x y or z you know it's not it's not really a good idea to take a risk you know because you're you could if it doesn't work out then you look bad maybe you lose your job or you get demoted or whatever if you put yourself on the line you know there's a greater risk of it not working out than something amazing happening and and as a result of that, society suffers. And actually, corporate America suffers because we should be sort of celebrating the person that is willing to take a risk

and try something in a new way or in a different way. And is it a myth or a fable of Icarus where the sun Icarus flies too close to the sun and, and his wings melt. And, and we're sort of the, the idea behind that is really that, that, you know, you shouldn't, it's, it's a, it's a parable about hubris, really. It's saying, you know, know your place, like, you know, know what your limits are. Don't fly too close to the sun because if you do, then you'll burn up and, and you will fail. And's saying, you know, know your place, like, you know, know what your limits are. Don't fly too close to the sun because if you do, then you'll burn up and you will fail. And, you know, look what happened when you thought you were more than what you were, you know? And it's sort of,

the idea is, you know, know your place, right? And this book is all about inverting that, like, this is sort of a lie that we've been sold because it isn't that, um, Icarus failed. It's that he, he strove for greatness, right? And yeah, he ultimately his, his wings, you know, melted and he fell, but, but there is beauty in that because he was willing to try something no one else was. And we should be celebrating that rather than shaming him and pointing the finger and if we did more of that in our culture then we would be better off and what and seth godin also brings it back to this discussion about art because he's saying everything is art you know if you're in corporate america you you in even in your job you could be

expressing what you do as art art is the the, you know, actualized manifestation of a pure creative self with something to offer that comes from a unique and authentic place. That's beautiful. I can't wait to read it. It's going to be something

I love. You like that? Definitely. Absolutely. But I mean, I think that's sort of the whole show that's been going on on the planet I mean in in in any kind of structure you know whether it's government whether it's religion um uh you know we've all been sold this story that uh we are really, you know, not powerful, that we are not connected, that we,

you know, need to not try too hard, not step out of the box. So it's a great concept, I mean, a great It's a great concept, I mean, a great lie to let go of. How do you let go of it? Well, read that book. I don't know. Well, let's bring it back to resolutions. Do you have any? Well, I've been thinking a lot about this. And I think for me, my resolutions are more kind of in line with what you were saying.

Like, they're internal jobs. You know what I mean? Like, I think that my resolutions are to create and sustain an active meditation practice. That's awesome. You like that? But I'm staying out of it. And to really engage my recovery program at a higher level than I have recently. It is to do the Artist's Way program again and see it through all the way to, you know, be journaling and doing all of that that's involved with that program.

Because, you know, like I was thinking, you know, about an athletic goal for this year. Like, well, do I want to do ultraman again do it is there a race and and right now i quite honestly like i can't think of a race that's super i want i want something to really excite me right and i i don't know what that is right now what's that one that you talked about it would involve this going to france or something like that there's a hundred mile race in india oh india hundred mile run in India. It's in June though. That's coming up. I don't know about that. It sounds pretty cool. You run from like the Taj Mahal to New Delhi or something like that. I'll wait for you at the Taj Mahal. It sounded pretty cool. That's awesome.

That was, that sounds exciting actually. That could be cool. But like, I just don't know yet. And because I don't know, like, I don't want to just pick something and say, that's it, just because it's New Year's Day. Right. Which brings me back to, well, if I do this internal work, if I'm doing the artist way, if I'm meditating, then the thing that I want or that I'm supposed to be doing will present itself to me. And that will, it will show itself to me. And then that will be the thing that I can say okay that's the thing i'm gonna i'm gonna go do but if i don't do that then i'm throwing darts at a you know in the dark that's wise right i think that's gonna work well for you so i do it's gonna be great all right what about your resolution to love your wife even more than you already do now that goes without saying no uhuh. You got to make it

a priority or it falls by the wayside. What about the fact that you have no resolutions? No, I'm going to reveal that I have a different kind of resolution. No, I don't. I mean, yeah, I have some experiences or some emotions that I'd like to experience in my life. And I think that for me and for, for us now on the planet, 2013 is a year of unity. It's a year of, of, of coming together in community and starting to,

um, form new, new ways, new ways of educating, new business paradigms, um, new financial structures. It's time for us to stand up and come together.

And no one else is coming. We are the ones. So no one's coming to get us. So we need to take care of ourselves, and we need to take care of each other and our neighbors and our families and our community. So I'm excited because I have a lot to learn about that. I'm certainly no expert in all these areas.

And the other thing that hit me so deeply, and it actually hit me in the summer, I was going through another very challenging moment financially and just energy-wise. And I just came to the realization that everything is just about service. It's just about service. So I want to serve at a more expanded level in whatever capacity that is, whether that's cooking for people or playing music, sharing my music, serving my kids, serving you, serving the family, serving myself, serving the planet, whatever that is, I want to dive deeper into that

expression. That's really the path to happiness. I mean, based on everything that I've experienced, every book I've ever read, everyone I've ever talked to, it's always the same. It's if you're, if and when you are in service, that's when you can find happiness. And, you know, that comes from people that have nothing to people that have everything say the same thing. And I know that when I'm caught up in my own problems or up in my head about something, or, you know, my mind is looping or spinning that I've learned in, in recovery. This is like one of the main tools in recovery to kind of shift that is to just pick up the phone and call somebody who, you know, could use a little help and try to help them and get out of yourself and your little

problem or whatever. And when you do that, everything shifts, you know, because you cannot think your way out of that. Like if you're unhappy or you're stuck or you're running some mental pattern that's creating, you know, unhappiness for you or anxiety or whatever, you can't think your way out of it. You have to, you have to take action because mood follows action. The action has to come first. And, and, you know, for me, my default is always to say well i'll do that when i feel better like let me just wait until i feel better and then i'll pick up the phone and do that or then i'll go help that guy or whatever but right now i just don't feel so good so the trick is to take the action anyway and when you can take the action even when you don't want to

or you don't feel like it to get out of yourself and invest yourself in somebody else who has less or you know could could you could use a hand um that always shifts everything for me so i think that's wise and i think that's true you know we could all use use a little bit more service in our lives and i think it's i mean that's true and and uh and i think we also need to remember that service can happen in your home. It can happen with your child. Yeah, it doesn't mean going to the soup kitchen. It can be, it's everything.

And I think it's your mental approach to whatever it is you're doing throughout the day. Well, and it's the way that you evaluate it because, you know, we get, you know, say you're busy in your life or you're trying to complete whatever your projects are or whatever. And, you know, one of your children needs attention or maybe they don't even need attention. Maybe it's just been a while since you did anything with them or just took one of them off on their own. You know, it's like that's real valuable quality time, you know. And so if you just look at it like that, like even preparing a meal, it can just be a blessing. It's a blessing for me because I'm in service and that's

the biggest blessing that I can have and that I can share. So, it doesn't, it just doesn't have to be like you, you know, you have to call somebody outside of your sphere or make some big, you know, thing about it, you know what your sphere or make some big, you know, thing about it. You know what I mean? Like it can be just very spontaneous. Right. But I'm just saying, like, I'll be driving in my car on the highway and I'll be like, I start getting all caught up in my head about something that's irritating me or I'm upset about something or whatever. And the easiest fix is for me to just look at my phone and call somebody who I know, you know, has less than I do or is having a hard time. You know what I mean?

It can be as simple as that. So anyway. Yeah, it's great. What was I going to say? I want to, you know, back to. I didn't finish my resolutions. Okay, go ahead. And then I want to talk. No, go. my resolutions. Okay, go ahead. And then I want to talk. No, go. The other thing is, is that I am committed to a practice of living in the moment. So I'm not looking at any future date as a point in time when things are going to be easier or more graceful or I may be more happy or more creative. I'm simply looking to this moment to be as fully present as I can. And, you know, as I shared, we've had a very intense year last year, lots of highs, lots of lows. We had, you know, deaths and triumphs and all kinds of things going on. And when you're in that pinch, when the pressure is that intense,

all you have is the moment. I think that gets to destination versus journey. Because I think New Year's resolutions by their very nature are kind of destination oriented. Like I want to lose 10 pounds or in April I'm going to run a marathon. That's right. It's all about, you know, how do I get from here to there? When I get to there, everything's going to be better. And certainly there is, you know, triumph and celebration and joy in achieving a goal.

I'm not saying that that's not the case. It certainly is the case. But I think that the real value is always in the journey. And so what you're saying is engage in the journey and in the moment of the journey on a daily basis, as opposed to being sort of grinding all the way towards that goal. And even when you achieve it and you did it, you know, well, where was the value? And you hear this from anybody who's achieved anything from Richard Branson to, you know, any big entrepreneur to an athlete or whatever, you know, they'll have their, you know, yeah, one of my company had its IPO or I won this big race or whatever, you know, when they're 20 years later, they'll look back and

it's less about that moment of victory than it is about like, remember when we were eating, you know, Chinese food at two in the morning and we didn't know if our company was going to make it and, you know, those were the good times or, you know what I mean? Like, that's always the case. Well, the process is creative, you know, and really, you know, when you get to the end, it's the end. So, it's, that's what I'm, it's the living, and that's when you get to the end, it's the end. So, it's the living being. And that's when I say, when I use the term being. There should be no end. You know what I mean?

I'm just saying with a goal. You know, like you said, I want to lose 10 pounds. Boom. So, I was just referring to that one mark. But, no, when I use the word being, it's a, you know, it's a creative flowing, active living process, right? So it's always shifting and changing and moving and it's fluid and it's

connected to the heart. And that's how that language speaks. Right. That's really weird for you. You want to hear my other New Year's resolution? Yeah, what is it? Being better about creating healthy boundaries. Hey, that's good.

I'm glad you brought that up. And that means a lot of that for me also is learning how to say no. You know what I mean? Like coming from like an insecure place. Coming from an insecure place. I was a very low self-esteem, insecure person for a long time, and I still battle with a lot of that. And when you're in that place, if something comes your way, you feel like, at least for me, I always say yes.

I say yes to stuff that maybe isn't the right thing for me to be doing just because it shows up and I want somebody to like me or I feel like if I say no, then no other opportunity will come my way. And that belies like a lack of sense of self, you know what I mean? Like if you're self-directed and you know who you are, then you know what's serving you and what's not and what to say yes to and what to say no to. And I think I have a tendency to say yes to stuff too often. So it's learning how to say no, but doing it in a way that's healthy, like creating healthy boundaries. Right. Well, I think, I mean, boundaries are a huge thing for me. And as a healer and in any spiritual work that I've done, I very, very strongly subscribe to self-responsibility. Okay. So we are all responsible for our own selves, for our own body, for our own energy field, and that includes boundaries. And so I do processes with my children and children that I work with where we actually visualize like a sun flaming

inside your core and you activate that and feel the heat building as you allow it to grow large until it's encompassing you completely in a flaming ball of golden light like a sun. And it's four feet in every direction all around you. And I try to share that whenever I can because it's a very effective way to start to learn how to manage your boundaries and how to go about in this ever-changing world of very extreme experiences, some horrifying, quite frankly, and others just not your stuff, right? Just not something you want to get involved with.

So if you learn how to start to use this energy, you will be more connected and find an easier way of living through these times. Was that really weird? Yeah, it was a little weird. They're going to freak out about that? Yeah. Okay, well.

We'll get some comments. If you download the, if you download, that was like really sort of kindergarten level. This is Julie holding back. No, I'm holding back. I was holding back then.

If you download the meditation, I think it's like the third track on there, there's a very detailed visualization about activating your light body and connecting you to your soul purpose. So if you... Just go with it. very detailed visualization about activating your light body and connecting to your soul purpose. So if you, you know, just go with it. Like don't worry about understanding everything. If it feels resonant with you and you do it, just go with it and listen to it. And it's a

visualization actually of merging you with a tree structure. And it's very, very effective in starting to activate your remembrance of how you used to do that in your past lives. That's great. There you go. Aren't you happy I'm on your show today? I can hear the subscriber signing off right now. Hey, boundaries, you brought it up. Yeah. I just took it to the next level. I'm just talking about learning how to say no. How to say no. Well, that's part of that. You just don't know it. Yeah. I don't know. No, it's good. It's good to have boundaries. It's good to

be focused and to know what your path is and what your path isn't. That's very helpful. And if you know your path and you do have some strong convictions about what your New Year's resolutions are, I think that's great. And I think it's great to have them and to be passionate about them and to have goals

and to put energy behind those goals. And for me, that works, you know, and it's worked many times in my life. And it worked, you know, when I decided that I wanted to do Ultraman, that was a goal. That goal didn't occur on New Year's Day, you know, setting that goal.

It occurred when the moment struck me, you know what I mean? So every day can be New Year's Day for you when inspiration strikes, right? So today's the day that we reflect on that. But if in March, you wake up and you feel like you were hit by a lightning bolt, then that's as good as New Year's Day to create a new resolution or set a goal. And so what I wanted to do is talk a little bit about my approach to goals and how to kind of take an insurance policy out on

achieving them and some of the things that have worked for me. I mean, once I set a goal, and I encourage all of you to not limit yourself, you know, dream big. Like when I decided I was going to do Ultraman, I mean, that was ludicrous. That was insane. You know, if I had run that by, you know, my peers, they would have all told me I was crazy and to pick something more reasonable or rational. And they did think you were crazy. Yeah, they did. But, you know, I waited until I'd put some energy behind that before I even told anyone that that's what I was doing. So you have to be, first of all, you have to dream big. Don't limit yourself. You know, and when you do that interior work, when you do the meditation, when you do things like the artist's way and the journaling and all of that, and, you know, those sort of inspirations start to, you know, take root,

it's important to nurture them and to believe that they're possible, that you should not limit yourself and that you should basically say, if this is what you want to do, as ludicrous or as crazy or as far-fetched as it may sound, set that goal and nurture it and be protective of it, though. You have to be careful about who you tell it to. You can't just go around telling everyone, especially if you don't have good boundaries and you're easily influenced by somebody else who's going to say, well, that's insane. You shouldn't do that. And then you kind of mope home and go, oh, maybe they're right. I shouldn't. Well, and you compromise compromised the energy too. Listen, most people, you know, unfortunately like to rain on other people's parades. That's true.

So you have to be really careful. So, you know, keep it private for a while, if that's what you need to do. Um, and then start to create a plan around it. And it could be a very long-term plan. It can be a short-term plan. It depends on what the goal is. But when a goal seems so outlandish and insane, I think that, excuse me, there's a couple things that you can do to start to put it into action. And the first thing that I always do is I start at the end point of that goal. Like, you know, Ultraman is a race that takes place at the end of November every year. So it's on the calendar, right?

For somebody else, it might be something that's not set to a specific month or year. But pick a reasonable period, you know, when you think it's plausible for you to achieve that on the calendar. And then work backwards from there and create interim stepping stone goals along the way that can be really small, achievable, little bite-sized chunks that work you towards that goal. So just because it's easy to conceptualize, let's use weight loss as an example. Let's say somebody's, you know, severely overweight and they want to lose a hundred pounds because they're, you know, they're, they're, they're very obese. Well, that's a huge goal, right? That seems like, you know, that's, that's a big challenge, right? So how do you, you know, how do you do that? You can't just say, well, I'm going to eat better and, you know, walk on the treadmill every day. Like you need to create a real plan and you need to get out

the calendar and you need to create those stepping stone goals along the way. So, you know, it could be as simple as by the end of month one, I want to have lost one pound, you know, whatever it is, like start with small, very achievable things. And then when you achieve those, celebrate that, like give yourself a pat on the back, reward yourself, you know, go buy yourself something or do something that will gird your resolve and maintain your enthusiasm and keep you going to take you to that next stepping stone. And when you have those stepping stones in place, you don't have to spend that much time thinking about how crazy the big goal is because you're just focused on the next little stepping stone. And it's sort of like that analogy where, you know, if you're on the planet Earth and you're looking at, you're setting a trajectory to get to the moon and you're like one thousandth of a degree off, you know, and you get in your spaceship and head towards the moon and you're just ever so slightly off. Like you're going to miss the moon by, you know, 100,000 miles or something. You know what I mean? miss the moon by, you know, 100,000 miles or something. You know what I mean? Like,

because when you set on a trajectory and you just continue on that path, it might seem minute at first, but over time, you know, the difference can be vast. So, you can't underestimate the power of these little stepping stones. And so, that's the way I always approach it. And it makes it very digestible and easy to begin. So that's the first thing. The second thing would be to surround yourself with an environment of people that encourage you and support this dream. And like I said, you have to be protective of your dream and your goal. You can't just go around talking about it to everybody, especially if you're influenced by negative thinking people. So be judicious in that regard, but create supportive community around that, whether it's your spouse. And if your spouse isn't supportive or doesn't believe in you, then find somebody else.

work or find a buddy or find somebody that you can confide in and talk to who can either do it with you or be your kind of compadre or, you know, your board of advisors or your board of directors as you do that. And also, and this goes back to boundaries, it's about limiting or eliminating completely the people from your life that are not supporting what you're trying to do. Absolutely. This is a huge thing, you know, and this is a lesson that I've learned in the hard way many times in my life where, you know, not everybody wants you to succeed, unfortunately. And, you know, if you're surrounded by those kinds of people, you need to find a way to create boundaries around them where it's not okay for them to talk to you that way or they're not privy to this part of your life or you can somehow limit your exposure to them. I mean, look, if your boss is a dick, it's tough, right?

But there's strategies and tactics for protecting yourself around these kinds of people so that that energy doesn't penetrate and ultimately undermine what you're trying to do. That's the energy seal that I just gave you. It's exactly what that's for. Right. And then at the same time, you know, when you have that supportive community that is a positive reinforcement for you, that creates accountability, right? So when they know what you're trying to do, the more specifically they know what you're trying to do, the more specifically they know what you're trying to do, the better. Like if they know, you know, at the end of January,

you have that stepping stone goal that you're going to lose that one pound or whatever, then you're accountable to them. And that brings up another, I think, important point, which is it isn't just the positive reinforcement. It's also the negative reinforcement. You know, there is, there is, yeah, there is something to be said for, you know, that accountability of people keeping you honest. Like, you don't want to... You're going to chop your finger off if you don't meet your goal. Well, just, you know, they're going to know that you failed or whatever. And that's the pressure that we're talking about. You know, that's the pressure on the carbon that creates the diamond that I think that you need as a driver, you know, for human nature to move forward, you know, and be on a proper

trajectory. Do you not agree with that? Not really. There was somebody who was talking about this. I was hearing about a gym that, you know, how like basically the business model for like a health club or a gym is, you know, you pay a monthly, you pay a fee and then you pay a monthly membership and then everyone stops going and they make, the only way they can survive is that they're always getting new members that don't go to the gym. Right. So, and, and, and of course the people that are paying this money, like they're not getting any healthier because they lose their enthusiasm for going. And I can't remember who it was. Maybe it was Tim Ferriss that was talking about this. a much better idea for a gym business model

would be to uh i think that they it was some kind of like shaming thing where like like if you didn't lose the weight or whatever they put a picture of you up on the wall and they charge you more money or you pay them you pay them up front and if you're going then they start giving you the money back but if you don't you know they start giving you the money back. But if you don't, you know, there was some kind of negative reinforcement aspect to it that actually would get people to actually follow through and do it. Yeah, I think we're on the, you know,

this is, again, the edge of discovering a new way or, you know, maybe some alternate ways of achieving goals. I mean, I am no athlete, and I understand with what you do and with what, you know, athletes do that, you know, I mean, you used to just freak if you missed a training session because, you know, you were, you know, very aware that X equals Y, you know, like if you put in these number of workouts in this manner, then it's going to produce this result. number of workouts in this manner, then it's going to produce this result. And, you know,

that's a very tangible, specific thing for you. And I was, I think, driving you crazy because I was talking about finding a way to train from your heart just spontaneously, you know, accessing like a higher way of actually achieving, but doing it for the love of it instead of for the pain of it. And Byron, Byron Davies, is this the second time I've talked about him on the podcast? Byron Davis. Davis, sorry. I don't know. So, Rich, introduce Byron Davis, because anyway. So, yeah, Byron Davis is a friend of mine he uh he was an amazing collegiate swimmer um he was almost the first uh African-American swimmer to make the Olympic team back I think we already talked about this 1992 yeah he's a he was an incredible swimmer and he's

been he and now he's like a pastor and a life coach, business coach. Beautiful wife, beautiful family, beautiful people. His wife is a former pro volleyball player. Yeah, gorgeous. Homeschool their kids. But anyway, I think I'm sure I spoke about them because I'm kind of remembering. But Byron came in and talked to you about how he learned to train from the heart

and how one day he woke up and it was some big race and he had the flu and there was no way that he was racing against someone who was very fast. And he said that somewhere during the race, he just gave it all up. He surrendered. He let it all go. And sometime during the race, something else came into him, and he won that day. And he said that that, and I remember being so happy that he was there at our kitchen table, because there is some place where the hardness of it all has got to shift into the love of it all. And I don't know how you do that, I see what, you know, what these amazing athletes do and what you do. And I could never do, you know, one minute of what you do in that way.

Well, there's wisdom in that. I mean, for me, my scientific brain is, yeah, I need to do these certain workouts over this period of time. And that, yes, that will get my body into the place that it needs to be in order to compete at the level that I want to compete at. And if I'm missing those workouts or they're not happening, then, yeah, I get anxious because I'm like, I'm not, you know, doing to my body what needs to be done in order to build it to that place. And that does create anxiety for me. But, you know, life is bigger than that. that does create anxiety for me. But, you know, life is bigger than that.

And, you know, there is a place for finding more joy and not getting caught up in that anxiety in it. So I think that those things are not mutually exclusive. Yeah, they go together. But I just, I feel like there has to be more. I mean, that goes, and that goes to what we're talking about here of being journey oriented instead instead of destination-oriented. Because if you're not enjoying the journey, then what is the point or what is it that you're doing? You know what I mean?

And it's like the person who, and I talk about this all the time. Forgive me if you've read something where I wrote about this. But if you hate running, then don't run, you know, like find, if you're trying to be more, if your new year's resolution is I want to get more fit, but you hate running, then don't run, you know, like go find something else that you enjoy doing. The point is to find greater enjoyment with your physical self on the way towards that fitness, right? And that is the way that you're going to create something sustainable over time, as opposed to reaching

that goal of losing 10 pounds and then saying, well, I'm so glad I lost 10 pounds and I don't have to run anymore. But let's talk about, share with a little bit um when you were training for the last ultra men race um and you know and and and i'm cooking at home with the kids or playing music or whatever and and i just see you leave and come back and i have no idea what you did and oftentimes we don't even ask what what in fact did, but you were training a lot, I think in the hills on the bike and your bike performance was really, really happening. The numbers were really good. I don't understand what the numbers are, but I just know that numbers were really good. But you explained to me at one point, because I was like, oh, you've been out on your bike all day. And you explained

to me that you were riding so hard. You were riding at the point where you were in like a maximum amount of pain that you could tolerate. Do you remember that? Not really. You don't? But did you ride at that level? That's when you were training, you were riding at a level, pushing a level where you were in a lot of pain. Yeah. And so I'm just asking, you know,

so is that necessary before a race? Or is that, was that just, you know, one? Well, every workout has its purpose, right? And not every workout is the same. So every time I go out on the bike, that doesn't mean I'm doing the same thing. So I don't recall that conversation, but it was probably a day where I was doing

some kind of tempo work or interval work same thing. So I don't recall that conversation, but it was probably a day where I was doing some kind of tempo work or interval work where it was, you know, the goal was to sustain a certain threshold level of Watts over a certain period of time. And I'd had like a breakthrough where I was able to sustain a higher level of Watts than I'd been able to sustain prior to that. And, and that means, you know, kind of tolerating a pain threshold for an extended period of time, you know, and that's just part of training. You know what I mean? Like you learn to embrace and love that part of it. And you learn to get comfortable with the discomfort. And that's a meditation, you know, it's like you're going beyond that sensation and you're

just, you become an observer to it rather than all involved in it. Yeah, it's not that different from yoga where the asanas are all about sort of preparing the mind for the shavasana, the meditation part. And the sort of postures that you go through and that rhythm and that flow of

doing those different poses is really about quieting the mind in a certain regard. Like the sort of exertion that's involved with that and the concentration quiets the mind so that when you get to the end and you're lying on your back and you're doing the meditation part,

you're kind of ready for that, right? And so in cycling or in running or in swimming or any kind of endurance activity, and I mean, those are just the ones I have experience with. I'm sure there's other things, but for me personally, when I'm in that kind of, you know, doing that kind of threshold work or even just the aerobic work, the exertion is like this, it's like this pipe cleaner for your brain, you know what I mean? It's sort of like, it just, all the cobwebs get blown out and it's a very pure experience where, you know, especially

the threshold work, because you're, you are tolerating a certain level of pain and you're, you're learning to adapt to that so that you can be comfortable with it, like I said. And when you're in that, it's a, it's a kind of a charged state of mind and body, but that does become kind of an active meditation because you do have to be kind of super present with what you're doing. And so when you're training, do you set intentions during your ride? Do you ever make a theme for a ride for like some information to come in? Like what I'm interested to know is, is, um, are you, are you taking the moment to tap into that? Like afterwards, either, either after by sitting or

through intention of like asking like for some concept or body of information to come through or messages, messages from your soul, I would say. Can you please comment on that? I don't think that I do that, but I will say this. I will say that there is, it's sort of like, you know, being burned in the flames. You know, if you go out for a ride and you're going to do some really hard threshold work over like 120, 150 miles, and you're going to be out on the bike for six, seven, eight hours or whatever it is, you know, when you're done with that, like you're so cooked, like it's everything has been burned, burned away. Well, not, not empty. I don't think empty is the right word. It's plugged in.

It's different from that. It's sort of like you've been purified. You know, like everything negative has been burned out of you, and you're in like this pure state. It's beautiful. I know. I love you after an Ultraman race. And that's a very addictive feeling, I will say.

It's the same for a super long run, you know? And that's why as I, you know, over the years, my sort of threshold for, well, my body has become more, increasingly more efficient at bearing the training load, right? So when I first started training for Ultraman back in 2008, it was like, you know, even a shorter run would take a lot out of me. And then as you become more and more efficient, your body becomes more and more used to this kind of training load and this volume,

you know, going out and going on a long run doesn't necessarily do it for you anymore. Like you have to go longer and you gotta go. And so as an addict, it's like, that's perfect, right? Like, Oh, I need more. You know, you start, the danger is you start to chase that dragon, you know, but you do need like, you know, you, you know, you do have to go out longer and longer in order to get that feeling, that ascetic purity kind of feeling that I think that I'm always seeking when I'm doing it. I'm just wondering if you took to the next level and you actually programmed some of your rides and your trainings, if you could be looking for that thing that Byron was talking about. It's something when he surrendered and he

let it go, like I'm not going to solve it, then something came in and in fact propelled him farther. So I would be interested to see if you did what you do, which is beautiful, which is powerful, amazing practice, but then take it up a notch and either before your training or during your training, dedicate your ride or your training to a specific intention. Or let's say you want creative inspiration for your next book. And you say with intention to your soul, please provide me with this, and I'm going to dedicate this ride to that.

And then you let go and you just do your thing and see if something comes in. All right, well, I'll try that. Maybe. Yeah. Might work. I'll report back. Next podcast.

On the next podcast. Yeah, no, that's a good idea. I'm going to try that. You know, it could be anything. It could be, you know, it could be finances. It could be, it could be increased performance. You know, call in the energy that is outside. You're not just a physical body okay call me crazy and

i'm not going to quote a bunch of science because i'm not a scientist but you can look it up i can call you crazy you can call me crazy you won't be the the first but um no so so ask for that extra thing outside of yourself to come and assist you and And it's the same thing like when I'm teaching warrior pose, and you haven't been in my yoga class in a few weeks, but when we're in warrior, I just hold that for a pretty long time, very, very, very long time. And then if you turn your palms up, and I'm speaking of warrior two, right? When you turn your palms up

and you just make the intention that you're going to allow something to hold you up, you'll feel an energy holding your arms up. And suddenly you've taken yourself out of it to a certain extent. So I think there are some interesting combinations to play with in that, with the training that might enhance performance. I'll check it out. Check it out. All right.

Back to goal setting. So where were you? Hello. No, I liked it. I love your goal setting. You're so focused and you're actually quite skilled at it. We were talking about interim goals, stepping stone goals, and the other thing I want, oh, and then creating community and accountability. I think the other thing that's important to bear in mind is that we're human beings and we're not perfect. And you're gonna fail, you're gonna misstep,

you're gonna miss a workout or you're gonna not achieve that next stepping stone goal or whatever it is. And as human beings, it's natural to go out to get deflated or disappointed or lose enthusiasm and say, this is too hard and I can't do it and I don't want to do this anymore or just forget it. And I think that's particularly true with people that are interested in experimenting with a plant-based diet. They're like, oh, no, you know, no meat, no dairy. Like, all right, I'll try it. And they go a week and then they slip and have ice cream and they're like, forget it.

It's too hard. Throw the whole thing away. And you throw the whole thing out because you've made one mistake, you know, as opposed to taking a different approach and perspective, which is, all right, I misstepped. Like, what's the next right thing? You know, how can I get immediately back on the program, back on the wagon? Like, what's the next right action? And just using that as a learning experience and say, that was interesting that I did that. Hmm, you know, what can I learn from that? Okay, let's keep moving

forward as opposed to just forget it. Yeah, dealing in absolutes is very not helpful. No. Very confining and judgmental. Right. And violent, actually. It's like, well, I tried that, but it didn't work for me. Well, what didn't work? Like, you made a mistake.

Well, congratulations, you're a human being. You know what I mean? And I think that that prevents people from who might benefit or might enjoy or might experience, you know, dramatic health benefits from checking out a plant-based diet, from even considering it because they're saying, well, I couldn't do it. So I'm not even going to try, or I tried for a couple of days and it didn't work. So I think it's important to, to give yourself permission to fail and, you know, greatness only comes with failure. You have

to fail in order to achieve. And, you know, the greatest successes in the world in every field probably failed a thousand more times than they succeeded. So it's giving yourself permission to fall on your face. And it goes back to the Icarus thing that we were talking about. It's like you have to dare to fly to the sun, you know, in order to get to the next level. And you're going to, you know, maybe your wings are going to melt,

but then you, you know, you build some new wings and you get at it again. And I think when you're in that mentality, when you're not afraid to fail or, or you're willing to fail and, and that kind of failure and setbacks are just part of the process as opposed to you know the one thing that you're going to shame yourself for or whatever that you're going to be

more successful yes absolutely that's wise that's it that's all what else i don't know what else is no i'm saying the other thing that I could add to that is that you know that's why it's called a practice you know it's like how many times you know it's not like you it's not like suddenly you're you know you achieve something and then you're there and you're static you know you're always moving so life is a process of becoming and so you may have to make that same decision to forgive over and over and over again and that's becoming right so yeah and it you can you can be born anew in each moment and so you can decide in each moment to be nonjudgmental, to drop the judgment.

Towards yourself. Towards everyone. Yeah, towards yourself, you know, absolutely. And towards everyone else. I mean, how about like we just be gentle with ourselves and others and allowing. I don't know and you know really how can you how can you sit and judge another person's process you are not that person you are not that being you do not stand in the exact circumstance you know history karmic lineage soul soul path, you know, energy. You just, it's really just not useful, not helpful.

We're talking about goals. I know. And you're talking about... You just keep going off on a tangent. You can't keep focused on... What do you mean you're talking about goals? You can't keep focused on the subject. What did you just say about goals?

I said allow yourself to fail. Yeah. Right. And I said, because you said don't throw in the whole towel. Right. And was that like too far of a leap? I don't know, maybe. All right.

Well, go to your next point on your paper. Is this 0.5 or something? Go ahead. I have one more point. Okay, I'm ready. You'll love this one, actually. I'm ready for it. Which is to check your ego at the door.

Oh, that's good. And don't make it about yourself. So tie that goal to something greater than your little goal. know, your little goal. Like make it, make it broader than that, you know, and not make it about yourself. Can you elaborate on that a little bit more? Well, I mean, I think you see people do it in endurance sports all the time. Like they're going to do an Ironman, but they're going to raise money for, you know,

a charity or something. You know what I mean? Like they don't just make it about their thing. They bring something else into the equation that makes it richer and more valuable in a broader sense than just their one little accomplishment or thing that they're trying to do. But if it's your first one,

then you can make it about yourself. You think? Yeah, absolutely. What do you mean your first one? Your first race. Oh, yeah. Yeah, you could do that. I just think it's better if you don't.

I think it's better if there's a higher purpose to it than just you. Definitely. I agree. You agree. Nothing more to say at that. That's really it. And I think that the other thing is to do kind of like what Julie was saying, which is to not be overly rigid and to learn to flow with it.

So let's say you're coming up on that stepping stone goal. It's your third or fourth stepping stone along the way, and you're not going to make it in, you know, being gentle with yourself and saying, okay, well, I didn't,

you know, I, I didn't make it this time, but I'm not going to allow myself to be discouraged and I'm just going to flow with it and rebuild. So it's, it's being structured in the sense that, you know, you will get out the calendar and create that schedule and that program, but also allowing yourself some flexibility within

that because, you know, life doesn't always flow according to a perfect scheduling calendar. And that gets back to what you were talking about when I would miss a workout and I would get frustrated and angry. And it's been a journey for me to learn how to flow with that and be more malleable than I would like to be. Yes, and you're doing a fine job with that anyway. I think so. Yeah, definitely. Definite transformation going on for all of us.

And the final one that I think everyone should do in 2013. What's that? Eat more plants. Yes, eat more plants. Definitely. It all starts with what you put in your body, people. Right? It's like a broken record saying that.

No, but it's been so extraordinary being here at Common Ground. And we understand that not everybody can be in Kauai and, and, uh, you know, we don't take it for granted even one second that we're here. Um, one of the really amazing things has been that, uh, you know, we're kind of secluded and isolated and, you know, we're, you know, we're vegan, predominantly vegan in our family, except one of our girls eats, you know, a couple eggs once in a while. Or she casually stopped eating eggs. She's eating, I don't know, yogurt or something. But mostly we're vegan. And so I've had to, you know, really focus around the kitchen.

And so I would say our diet has gone up a notch really as a family since we've been here. It definitely has. And just because we eat a plant-based diet doesn't mean that we're super perfect. Like when we're in L.A., we shop at all the normal grocery stores. And I like a potato chip once in a while. Yeah, we haven't had much chips. And living here in the remote North Shore, we're eating food that's grown from the field right across from the yurt. And, you know, we're just sort of, you know, being more self-sustained in our little environment here.

And my nutrition has definitely improved. And the quality of the meals has gone up. And I think the nutritional value of the foods that we're eating because they're locally grown in the way that they're harvested here. I can feel the difference and it feels good. It feels good. And we were helping out in the, in the field today and,

and all the kids were washing kale and harvesting, pulling carrots and radishes and charred. And it's, it's pretty awesome. I really, really feel like this year for a lot of us is going to be learning how to grow our own food. And that's whether you're in a city or wherever you are, however you need to do it.

But that's going to be something that I'm going to enjoy getting deeper into. I think it's important. And today I tweeted an article by Mark Bittman, who's a writer in the New York Times on, on food. And he wrote a great opinion piece today about how our food system has to change, but it was very level-headed in the sense that, you know, he's saying it's not going to happen overnight. Like this is a long, long process. And, you know, they realized that, that tobacco caused cancer like 200 years ago, but it wasn't until 1964 where there was a correlation between tobacco and cancer. Like they figured

that out a long time ago, but it wasn't until 1964 that anybody kind of started to even say it publicly or to do anything about it. Like these are movements that take a very, very long time. And I think that there's a general awareness that our food system right now is not sustainable for health reasons, for ecological reasons, for economic reasons, for all these reasons. But there's no easy fix and there's no consensus on how to fix it.

Like there are no clearly articulated, stated objectives right now about how to change it, that this is just a groundswell movement and it's going to take some time. And I think that that's wise and we can learn more about how to get food that's sourced close to where we live and we can we can vote with our dollar and we can start to make those little changes and uh and uh and and i think that that if more people did that you know it would start to make a difference absolutely you know and they're all steps that make a big difference down the line. So for 2013, make it green. Make it green. Eat more plants. Absolutely.

So are we about complete? Do you have something you want to say? Well, I was going to say that I wish everyone a radiant, connected, plant-based 2013. You don't sound that excited about that. I am. I'm really excited about it. I'm totally excited about 2013. I think it's going to be amazing. 2012 was incredible, and we have a lot to be grateful for and uh we're in this beautiful place

now for 10 more days we're going to make the most of it uh the most of it that we can and we're going back to la and we're going to figure out what the next thing is and we have no idea and we'll keep you posted exactly no we've got exciting things on the horizon. And anyway, just be good to yourselves, be good to your community, and live your heart. Live your heart. So that we all can reap the benefits of that, of sharing in that experience with you.

Find your heart and live it. Live your art. Live your art. Live your art. There you go. I like that. That's what I like. All right, cool.

So we can wrap it up, I think, with that. I'm getting a lot of emails from people who read Finding Ultra and want to know about the detox cleanse because in the book, there were a couple times in the book where I said, you know, Chai Lifestyle, in the book where I said, you know, Jai Lifestyle, we're going to have this, you know, some detox and cleansing programs to do a juice

cleanse. And the intention when the book, when the intention was that we would have these products ready for sale by the time the book came out, that proved in actuality to be a very difficult task. The R&D was challenging and to be able to kind of put the products out that we in actuality to be a very difficult task the r&d was challenging and to be able to kind of put the products out that we wanted to put out um it was going to be very risky for us and tricky to do it the way that we wanted to and ultimately um we were going to end up like losing money on it not and not making money and also i mean it's also just the safety and all the just to do it right to make sure also, I mean, it's also just the safety and all the, just to do it right, to make sure what we're offering to you

is in the right caliber and, you know, what we want and make sure that it's the good, it's the right thing. So it just took us a little while to get that mixed together. Well, so ultimately we decided not to come out with a product for those reasons. So I get a lot of emails, like I read the book and it says, go to Jolly Lifestyle, find the cleansing program and all of that.

And I can't find it because it's, and the reason is because it's not there because we didn't do it. So, um, but the good news is, is that Julie and I are in the middle of creating a series of premium high quality videos that will take you guys through a seven day fruit and vegetable juice cleanse, soup to nuts. Our first shooting day is tomorrow. And it's going to be quite the production. This is going to be a really cool thing. We're going to be very, very detailed.

We're going to go through each day. Here's how you're going to do it. Here's what you're going to eat. Here's how you're going to feel. And literally, you know, take all the second-guessing out of it. And we're going to provide you with all the information and the links to the products that you're going to feel and literally, you know, take all the second guessing out of it. And we're going to provide you with all the information and the links to the products that you're going to need and all that good stuff. So we're looking forward. It's going to be. And we're going to do it right along with you.

Exactly. So it's going to be a couple months before we, you know, get this thing. Sorry. Done. And, you know, it would be great to have it available on January 1st Because I know everybody, you know, this is the time where everybody wants to kind of start fresh and tabla rasa and all that kind of stuff. But, you know, it just, it's taking more time. So it's going to be a couple months before it's ready. Yeah, and in actuality, I mean, once you get the hang of it, you'll be doing it like four times a year or three times a year.

And then it sort of just seeps into your lifestyle and then your diet sort of shifts. So it's a, you know, it's really sort of like a long-term wellness lifestyle thing. It's not like you would just necessarily do it once and then be done. Right. So look for that in coming months, and we'll keep you posted on how that unfolds. But if you're confused and you've been going to Jai Lifestyle looking for that stuff and you're not finding it. We're sorry.

That's why. But the other good news is that our vitamin B12 spray, supplement spray, finally is out. It took a little while to get that configured and ready, but we're really excited about that. If you're on a plant-based diet, it is incredibly important that you supplement with vitamin B12. it is incredibly important that you supplement with vitamin B12. In fact, most people, irrespective of diet, have been found to be vitamin B12 deficient. So even if you're eating the standard American diet, there's a chance that your vitamin, if you're not sure, just go to your doctor. You can get a simple test and find out. But if you are eating a plant-based diet or predominantly plant-based diet, you need it because it is the one nutrient that is not found in the plant kingdom.

So you must supplement with it. And this is a spray, and it's just one spray in the mouth, and it has a really good taste. I know, I'm just sort of interjecting here. It's just a spray. One spray is all you need, and the kids love it. And we've been using it every day, actually. Yeah, for sure. You can get, and I talked about this in the book too, there's a lot of foods that are supplement that have vitamin B12 fortified, like breakfast cereals

and almond milk and coconut milk, stuff like that. But the kind of B12 that they're using is not a very easily metabolized version of it. It's one that has to be processed by the liver to create the methylcobalamin, which is the pure form that we're using. And that's an inefficient process. So our spray is methylcobalamin. It's the purest form. Your liver doesn't have to go through some intricate biomechanical process in your liver. It's already bioavailable to you. And so it's a top-notch product. And we're really proud and happy to offer it to you. It's only $20.

So check that out on Jai Lifestyle. And what else do we have? If you want to check out Julie's music, go to srimatimusic.com, S-R-I-M-A-T-I music.com. And on Jai Lifestyle, we have our cookbook. So New Year's Day, you want to start getting going

on your plant-based diet, you can check out our digital download e-cookbook, 77 pages of awesomeness. And that's great. Julie's recipes. And if you want to check out the meditation and the

energy sealing technique that we discussed at length today you can download that also off of our website it's actually not that easy to find you have to go I think you have to go on the first page and then find meditation and then click on meditation and And then it's behind that. It's called Jai Release.

And it's a 30 minute program. It has two of my original songs on it. And the humming. So it's a four step. You hum. There's a Ganapati Mantra, which is the Ganesh remover of obstacles, which is a wonderful energy to call in the new year with. And then there's the tree seal visualization, which you just listened to. And then there's a song called Mother of Mine, which is the title of my debut album, which is also on this program. So the whole thing is 30 minutes. You can just put it on your iPod. There are instructions.

And then after that, you just do the four tracks. It's around 30 minutes. And I would be very interested to hear your results after doing it for, let's say, 40 days in a row. Why 40 and not 30? Oh, just because, I don't know. I mean, 20 could make a big shift, but it's just if you just get consistent.

So like some days you're going to be distracted. Some days you're going to have monkey mind. Some days you're going to feel really deep. But if you just take it up as a practice and don't judge it, and it's all there for you, it's a pretty pleasant meditation practice to sit through. And what it will do is clear out any residue from the humming,

supercharge you with Ganesha's energy, the remover of obstacles, and seal you in your own energy field and connect you to your divine purpose, and then bless you with a little love of the Great Mother. So it's a pleasant 30 minutes. And if you do it for, you know, a month or 40 days, you will see transformation in your life. I certainly did in mine. All right. So check that out.

Julie needs Twitter followers. I do. She's Jaisi on Twitter. J-A-I-S-E-E-D. Follow me. Follow me. Yeah. And I'm at Rich Roll.

You have enough followers. No, I don't. Okay. And also you can follow me on Instagram at Srimati. S-R-I-M-E-T-I. Yeah, that's right. I'm Rich Roll on Instagram. And Rich has some awesome photos. I would highly suggest that if you're kicking off your new nutrition regime for 2013,

that you consider a Vitamix purchase. Oh, yes, absolutely. It's an expensive blender. I understand that. It is not cheap. But's an expensive blender. I understand that is not cheap, but it is life transforming this thing. Now I couldn't live without it. I know we travel with it. It's an amazing contraption. It will make juice or liquid out of literally anything. You can make everything from pasta sauces and soups to your smoothies to everything. See what I've, what have I made this week? I've made a homemade tomato sauce,

homemade mole sauce. I made a strawberry cashew cheesecake last night. I made an amazing coconut, kale, mango, chia, hemp smoothie with Jai Repair in it this morning. Right. And mushroom gravies. I make pesto in it. All kinds of stuff.

You could literally make anything. So the point is, you should think about getting it. And if you are on the, if you are ready to make that purchase, you can click the banner ad on richroll.com. On the homepage, there's a Vitamix banner ad

and you'll get free shipping. If you buy it homepage, there's a Vitamix banner ad, and you'll get free shipping. If you want to buy it off Amazon, just click through the Amazon banner ad at richroll.com on the blog page or the podcast page. It'll throw a few nickels in our pot to keep this thing going. And actually, if you're going to buy anything on amazon we would appreciate it if you click through that banner if you want to support the show it would help us out a lot oh you know what what if uh if people want to check out some vitamix recipes they can go to my youtube page oh that's right yeah it, it's RichRoll66 on YouTube. We have a whole bunch of videos of us making stuff, and we use the Vitamix post-run workout stuff, mushroom gravy, holiday cooking, all sorts of things.

That'd be cool. Yeah, you can do that. And what else? I think that's it. Don't forget to check out Common Ground, these wonderful folks that have been so welcoming to us here. And you can... Common Ground Kauai. The website

is cgkauai.net and learn a little bit more about what's going on on this beautiful organic farm on the North Shore of Kauai. Absolutely. I think we did it. Thanks for having us.

Thanks for listening, you guys. We really appreciate it. We wish you a very happy, prosperous, goal-oriented, or not so goal-oriented 2013. Happy New Year, everyone. And again, I got some great guests coming up when I get back to LA. So please stay tuned for that. I'm going to be bringing you the best experts in plant-based

nutrition, physical training, fitness, all sorts of stuff. So stick around. Peace. Peace, plants. Thank you. you you you you you you you you you you you you you