The Rich Roll Podcast - On the Spirituality of Peak Athletic & Life Performance

Episode Date: January 29, 2014

American Ninja Warrior. Calisthenics freak. Battlebar champion. Muscle Beach staple. Parkour artist. Spiritual crusader. Social entrepreneur. These are just a few labels we can attach to the badass known as Travis Brewer. But what is truly inspiring about this airborne athlete with a conscience is his mission to live life to the fullest. Catalyzing positive impact through movement to make the world a better place. And inspire others to become more of who they are. For Travis, it's an inside job. His ability to walk through fear, break barriers, push past physical, mental and emotional plateaus to perform the impossible with death-defying body movement begins and ends with one thing – his devotion to spirituality & meditation. Today Julie and I sit down with Travis to explore the boundaries of human potential – both athletic and beyond the monkey bars; what it truly means to unlock the best of who you are; the crucial extent to which devotion, spirituality and meditation play into his holistic health and peak performance equation; and how he pursues happiness and life satisfaction through service to others. Travis is a fascinating, insightful, considerate and contemplative young man with big dreams for the future of youth, health, movement and entrepreneurship. It was an honor to have him spend an evening with our family, and I'm thrilled to share this conversation with you. Enjoy! Rich

Welcome to episode 70 of the Rich Roll Podcast with Travis Brewer. The Rich Roll Podcast. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the show. I'm your host. My name is Rich Roll, and this is the Rich Roll Podcast. Thanks for tuning in. There's so many great podcasts out there. I think there's like 250,000 podcasts. So the fact that you dialed us up and are giving us a shot means a lot to me. Your time is valuable. And the fact that you would devote a couple hours of your week to seeing what we have to share is really awesome. It's been an incredible year of doing the podcast and watching the audience kind of grow and congeal and it really warms my heart to see the audience tuning in time and time again and it inspires me to raise the bar on the show and take things to the next level. It's been a pretty cool past couple of weeks. iTunes listed our show on its

homepage, on its homepage for podcasts. They had a little slide bar on Get Fit in 2014 and put us up there alongside some other really great health and fitness podcasts, and that was quite an honor. So if you're new to the show because you clicked on that, welcome, and hopefully you find something you like here. We have been nominated for a Stitcher Award. Stitcher Radio is like the second largest distributor of podcast content, and they do an award show, I guess, every year.

And we've been nominated as one of the best health and lifestyle podcasts, which is also really cool. They're having an awards show in San Francisco this Thursday night, which I think is the day that this podcast is going to go up. So we'll see what happens there. But either case, just to be nominated, super awesome and cool. In terms of kind of raising the bar on the podcast, it shows a lot of work, man. And I've been traveling a lot, so it's been tricky to try to make sure that I get a show up every week. But it has been an honor to kind of take the Plant Power message on the road and share an inspiring, healthy lifestyle, diet, and nutrition message with all sorts of people.

Julie and I were in Costa Rica. I was invited to go speak to an organization called YPO, Young Presidents Organization, sort of a global network or affiliation of local chapters of young CEOs. And this was a retreat for the southern, southeastern United States section of YPO. And it was amazing to go and kind of share what I have to say with these people and hang out with them in a beautiful location. I'm not complaining. It was amazing. And then Julie and I went to Las Vegas where we participated in something called Catalyst Week, which is a program that has been started by Tony Hsieh, the CEO of Zappos.com. He is in the process of trying to revitalize downtown Las Vegas. It's a program called Downtown Project. He's purchased a ton

of real estate in the old kind of downtown section of the city way off the strip. He's relocated Zappos headquarters to the old city hall building there and really wants to breathe new young life into this area. And so once a month, they do this Catalyst Week program where they bring in social entrepreneurs and thought leaders and curate kind of a couple days of interesting speakers and events all designed around introducing people to this part of the city and trying to develop excitement and interest in in an effort to essentially build what he wants to do which is kind of create this uh social entrepreneur sort of forward thinking startup utopia in downtown Vegas. And you can see the spark being lit and there's a long way to go and a lot of work to be done, but there's a certain excitement and a sense of possibility there. That's really cool. And it was an honor and a

privilege to go there and speak and meet some other really fascinating people, a bunch of which I'm going to be interviewing for the podcast in the coming weeks and months. So that was great. I'm going to New York City next week, February 9th through 15th, 8th through 15th. I'm going to be speaking at Bloomberg. I wish that was open to the public. It's not. But it's kind of amazing to me. A couple of years ago, if you had said to me that I would be speaking to essentially a Wall Street organization about health and fitness, I would have said you were insane. It's crazy. And so it's quite an honor to be able to take the message there. And while I'm in town, I've got a whole bunch of podcast interviews scheduled, five or six right now.

I'm looking forward to sitting down with some new guests and really fascinating people that I'm going to be bringing to you guys. So what do we do here if you're new? Each week I bring to you the best and the brightest, the most forward-thinking, paradigm-busting minds in health, fitness, wellness, nutrition, athletics. And this week, today, I have a very interesting guest who fits the bill. I've had a bunch of runners on lately, and I figured I needed to switch it up, change directions. And Travis is an athlete of a very different sort, fascinating, very cool guy who does amazing things that I can't even comprehend. He's a ninja warrior in the truest sense, a functional body strength athlete with a background in gymnastics. So essentially he's a calisthenics freak and he's a parkour artist. What is parkour? Parkour is that discipline that you've probably seen in the James Bond movies or

the Bourne Ultimatum movies, Bourne Identity movies, the guys that run across the roofs and jump building to building and climb walls and do insane things that normal people can't do. Well, this is what Travis does, and he's one of the best at it. He was a finalist in the American Ninja Warrior competition television show. He's a battle bar champion. And you'll be able to see him soon on Tim Ferriss' new show. Tim Ferriss, the bestselling author of the four-hour books, Four-Hour Workweek, Four-Hour Body, Four-Hour Chef, has a new TV show called the Tim Ferriss Experiment. And Travis is going to be the guy coming up in an upcoming episode who teaches Tim how to do parkour. So look forward to that. I don't know exactly what the air date is, but

you'll be able to see Travis do his thing with Tim, which is really cool. But more importantly, what inspires me about Travis is that he really is an example of someone who fuses meditation and spirituality into his athletic pursuits. Meditation is a crucial aspect of his protocol. And we were able to sit down and really kind of explore that in a really cool way. It's not often that you find an athlete who really taps into that to the extent that Travis does. And to have him sort of explain how that helps him dial in his performance, helps him break through barriers and walk through fear and allows him to kind of be focused and centered to do some amazing athletic things is really kind of illuminating and fascinating. And more importantly than that even is that Travis is an amazing example of service.

He's really on a mission to inspire other people to live their life to the fullest and make the world a better place and help people figure out how to push past their plateaus and do what is essentially the core theme of this podcast, which is to unlock and unleash the best, most authentic version of yourself. So it's not so much about beating other people or how strong you are or how fast you are. It's more about how do you access and express more fully who you truly are. And that's Travis's message. That's my message. And it was great to kind of sit down and explore that. So that's today's guest. The other thing, one last quick announcement before we get into the

interview. A lot of interest in the Plant Power t-shirts. I keep teasing you guys saying we're going to have them, we're going to have them, we're going to have them, and then nothing happens. Well, I'm proud to say finally they're up. They're on the podcast. They're on the website, richroll.com. We have a couple different varieties. We've got women's versions. We've got men's versions. We've got a couple different designs. I think we have three designs. So go there, check it out, all sizes for you guys. And we have a whole new kind of shopping cart experience. We've redone the store aspect of the site, and it's pretty exciting. So this is just us dipping our toe into the garment world. We have lots of cool garments in development right now. We're going to be introducing many, many cool new clothing line products coming up over the course of the next several months. So just a few T-shirt designs to get started. Check them out.

They're pretty cool, man. You might've seen me Instagram them from time to time or seen me, you know, wearing one of them and now you can have one for yourself. So look at that. And then we have all, of course, all the other stuff on the site, the cookbook, meditation program, all that kind of stuff. And we have new kind of a new store experience for you guys to learn more information about those products and to more easily buy them. We have additional shipping options and you can now pay with PayPal and stuff we didn't have before. So I'm really excited to be able to finally offer that to you. This is version one of that. We're debugging it right now. I think we have all the bugs out of it, but

it should be all sorted out for you guys. So check that out. All right, so without further ado, let's get into today's interview. I wonder how this is gonna go with Travis. It's pretty cool. So without further ado, I hope you enjoy our conversation today, ladies and gentlemen, Travis.

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To find the best treatment option for you or a loved one, again, go to recovery.com. I think the thing that most intrigues me about you is this idea of unlocking your best self, which is obviously a big theme of this podcast. How do you become more authentic to who you are? And your message is really, it's not so much about beating other people or even trying to be the best at whatever your message is really, it's not so much about beating other people or even trying to be the best at whatever your discipline is as much as it is being the best you or finding out what that is

and always bringing it back to the inside job. Is that fair? That's fair and accurate. Even though you just beat somebody. Yeah, I know. We're going to talk. Even though you just beat somebody. Yeah. We're going to talk about who you beat in a minute. Yeah. And not to jump too far into it, but, you know,

I think a great part about that would be like, you know, for this example this weekend, I was in a competition called Battle of Bars, and I took on the top-ranked American in calisthenics and body weight, um, workouts and, uh, ended up beating him at the end of the competition. But it was, it was so great to experience and be there because it was really more about being ourselves and being the best that we could be. And at the end of the day, like there's a, there's a beautiful picture I'll show you guys where we're actually,

we're there, but holding both of us up, you know, and like, I have a trophy in one hand, but I have his hand in the other hand, you know, like it's really about like just being the best that we can be and pushing a sport more it is than who's best. Right. And that was at the fitness expo downtown? At the fitness expo, yeah. So what is the competition? Like this is a world that I don't know that much about. Yeah. It's a unique world, but it's, so calisthenics is body weight training or body weight movement. And so I guess for the viewers, your jungle gym setup when you were in PE class in elementary

school, your pull-up bars, your monkey bars, and your dip bars, which are the parallel bars, are essentially the apparatuses that we use. So it's basically becoming the ultimate monkey playground, king of the playground. And so we combine just a workout, like how many pull-ups can you do or how many dips or handstands you can do on the bars, but it's like how you create that into a flow so think of it make break dance meets working out meets uh at the jungle gym so there's like

an artistry to the whole thing exactly so you're you're judged not only on strength and agility but creativity and flow so do they have they do it like figure skating where they hold up numbers and stuff or how do they score it like how do they. So there's a, the, it's, it's unique in the sense that it's, it's still like an emerging sport. So it's like different people have different like scorecards. But for example, I was, uh, I was the main event or the, the main title card for this, uh, on Saturday. And so what they did is they had top ranked people for weight classes. So if you almost think of it as a boxing match, right? So I was the title card, but then this uh on saturday and so what they did is they had top ranked people for weight classes so if you almost think of it as a boxing match right so i was the title card but then there was under

cards below me for different weight classes and it was judged on rounds or judged like one-on-one so there was three rounds um and so a competitor would go for up to 40 seconds and then the next and then the other person would go for 40 seconds and then back and forth um until the round is up and then the judges would score each round um you get just like in boxing you know there's a you would get a 10 as like a perfect score and then the second place person would get either a nine or an eight or a seven and then you get docked points for doing something but you there's this back and forth right so you really are kind of like battling with the other person as opposed to just doing like in gymnastics, you just do your thing and you're done. And correct. Right. That's cool. Yeah. And so that was the actual, so there's actual battles and fights. So almost like they score every round,

like boxing or like a UFC fight. And then there was also an open competition on Sunday, which was a lot more like a gymnastics where it was, you had a two minute flow. Um, and then people would judge it, um, based on like what they thought was the, you know, they did it, they narrowed it down to like a top 10 and a top three. Right. So you actually had more of score based off of that. Cause you're not battling, you know, just one person. So like what consists, like what does that routine consist of? Then what makes it great is it's creative control like you get to make up your whole routine so what what's beauty of it unlike gymnastics where it's like you know you have certain things you have to requirements you have to hit there's there's

nothing like that which makes it so much more i think enjoyable because you're the creative outlet that you use is is is just as important as how strong you are. Right. It's cool. How long has this been around for? Um, I've been, these type of battle competitions have been,

this is, I've been going around for a couple of years. Like it's been, this would be like, it's going on its third year. Yeah. It seems like, I mean,

when we're in grade school, you know, it was all about the presidential physical fitness award. How many pull-ups can you do? And, like, climb the rope and all of that, which was really fun. And then, at least in my experience, I mean, I'm a lot older than you, but that just, you know, there was no other kind of further outlet for that kind of thing unless you were going to be a gymnast. And now, I mean, do you think is it related to the advent of CrossFit and all this sort of you know functional body stuff

yeah I saw those pictures that you showed on Instagram it's crazy these Instagram shots by the way you have to follow yeah to follow you on Instagram your pictures are amazing they're pretty cool I hope we get this one so yeah it's tbrewer314 on Instagram

and you look like a giant in that photo. These crazy pictures of him flying in midair, flinging himself off bars on the beach in Santa Monica and stuff. Oh, that's so cool. Oh, now I've got video. He's showing me live. I wish you guys could see. Oh my God, I can't believe you do this stuff.

This is crazy. And so when we first met, we met actually at a dinner party over Christmas. But you were talking to Rich about getting your energy for really strong, quick, fast spurts of energy. So how do you eat to fuel this? I actually eat a lot of vegan meals. It's okay if you don't. Good answer.

No, I'm kidding. You backed him into a corner there. He doesn't have to feel like he has to say that. I'm happy to admit, I ate a Cafe Gratitude today. So did we. We must have just missed you. I was there at 11. I was there at 12. third 11 12 no but um no i i follow a not a hundred percent vegan diet but it's it's a

preferred vegan i guess is is what i what i usually tell people um i have a hard time giving up fish i eat a lot of sushi still but um i really just try to eat you know much of a plant-based diet as well as or you know kind of go pes pescatarian. But the overall theme is really clean, you know, organic. Whole foods. Close to their natural state. And do you find, like, do you eat differently when you're anticipating a match or a meat or whatever you call it? A battle. A battle.

Actually, a perfect example would be the week leading up to this weekend. I actually, I went all vegan. Oh, you did? Yeah. Did you notice any difference with that? I mean, it's pretty close to how you were eating anyway. Yeah. I don't notice a huge difference. Um, but I do notice that when I eat a ton of meat, specifically red meat, I get a lot

more sluggish. So. Okay. So it's the speed that you're, that you're looking for. Yeah. Cause I'm using a lot of fast Twitch. I'm using, I'm doing like, not only am I doing, you know, like handstand push-ups, but like, you know, doing a handstand push-up like off of a bar

and then having to re-grab it. And so it's a very explosive type movement. Yeah, I mean, it couldn't be more different from what I do. It's very skill-specific. It's very explosive. It requires, you know, quick bursts of massive amounts of energy and an incredible amount of eye-hand coordination and balance, all of which I lack in spades.

But back to that other question. So this sort of specific discipline has only been around for a couple years. So is this kind of woven into the CrossFit kind of explosion? Or there's this you know movement of functional body strength and getting back to kind of basics whether it's kettlebells or just using bars and getting out of the the typical kind of conventional gym scenario yeah i have a like i guess i love hate relationship with crossfit i think crossfit has done a great job in the, in the sense that, uh, it it's helped evolve that there's other sports out there besides, you know, it's, you know, they, their tagline is

they're the, the sport of working out, you know? So, um, in that essence that, you know, it's grown in popularity and so many people are getting into it. I think it's awesome. But me specifically, I don't, I don't really get into like the heavy lifting of the Olympic lifts and stuff, but I do really enjoy the, the body lifting of the Olympic lifts and stuff, but I do really enjoy the body weight movement with the calisthenic aspect or the gymnastics aspect. So your muscle-ups, your handstand walks, your handstand push-ups, that kind of stuff, the burpees.

And so I do work with some CrossFit gyms kind of on the side teaching some of the gymnastics-type elements. And I've kind of seen maybe a biased version but you know i think that a lot of the crossfit kind of world is kind of evolving and incorporating a lot more of the gymnastics like the gymnastic wad um website with carl paoli and stuff is really kind of blown up and popularity and i think think what Carl does is really, really cool. And, um, and that kind of world. So it's, it's, it's neat to see that gymnastics and that type of movement is becoming more popular. Right. And I mean, listen, anything that gets people, you know, excited about getting fit and, and taking care of their body is a good thing. We can, you know, split hairs over

CrossFit this or that, but people are excited and, you know, split hairs over CrossFit this or that, but people are excited and, you know, posting about their workout of the day or what have you. I mean, it's a great thing. Yeah. I think it's awesome. And CrossFit does a great job of not only making a community, but also, you know, getting people to have a, you know, a goal, you know, that they can reach and then try to beat it and, you know, allows them to kind of have their workout of the day and have a set time and try to achieve it, which I think is really great for any, any human, you know? So I think that's awesome. I just that, you know, I just want to emphasize that form is more important than time sometimes. So, you know, if you get hurt, you know, you know, shaving off five seconds on your time and you're, you're hurt for six months, like it's not worth it. So, right. Right. Um, just the element of competition, you just gotta be smart about it and whatever you

do. Yeah. I mean, I think I saw a video of a guy going for a record with pull-ups the other day, a CrossFit guy, and he was wiggling all over the place and, you know, jerking around. And I don't know, I don't know that much about CrossFit at all, but I was like, that doesn't look like a correct pull-up because there was so much using so much swinging and momentum to do it. So I'm like, well, what is actually being accomplished? Like what is the goal goal here? I'm not sure I'm understanding. Yeah. So like, you know, a perfect example of kind of the calisthenic movement versus the CrossFit movement, you know, like, uh, uh, with, with CrossFit, you know,

they have the kipping pull-up and the kipping muscle-up, which is all about being able to maximize how many reps you can do. So you can, you really fling your body and it's all momentum. That must've been what I was looking at. Yeah. Versus in calisthenics, you know, it's almost rewarded to do a really strict or a really strong, you know, straight arm pull up or muscle up or, or, or dip. And so it's just different philosophies of, of how to move. But at the end of the day, as long as people are moving and trying to better their bodies in the world,

I'm happy. I mean, I think that is, that is the thing with CrossFit is that the community aspect of it, because everybody's there to support each other. And that's an awesome thing. But yeah, but like what you do or Frank Medrano, like the control over your body movement is so like insane. I mean, the way that you guys can slowly raise your body movement is so like insane. I mean, the way that you guys can slowly raise your body in these ridiculous positions

and whether it's a, you know, upside down, reverse, you know, headstand, whatever, like it's,

it's impressive to watch. I actually, I talked to Frank yesterday. Oh, you did. Cool. Yeah. Told him we were talking about you.

So I'm going to give him a heads up. Yeah. Frank, when you're listening, I'm going to call you. All right. Yeah. I'd love to have him on heads up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Frank, when you're listening, I'm going to call you. All right. Yeah, I'd love to have him on the podcast. And that movement actually is extremely meditative

because you're so slow, and you're in and feeling every part of your body, I'm guessing, just from viewing you. Yeah. So would you say that, I mean, I happen to know that you're into meditation. That's true. But were you, which preceded, were you getting some of that experience from your gymnast background?

Or were you always into it? Well, I mean, I started gymnastics when I was a little kid. So you were meditating then? Not yet, no. So I did gymnastics. It was weird. I grew up doing gymnastics, but I quit in middle school. So like, you know, my, I think I was in, you know, the five-year-old

class, like, like every little kid and the instructor was like, you're pretty good. You should keep doing this. But you know, I, I, I didn't really go on, I went through till middle school, but at that point it was, it was getting to the, getting to a fork in the road where it's like, Hey, you know, you're getting pretty good. You need to either double down or you need to double down or move on. You know, like you're going to start doing Olympic training track and you know, you need to dedicate every minute you have after school to doing this. And, you know, growing up in Texas, it was cool to have, you know, to play football and play soccer and have a girlfriend and have a social life and go to the movies,

and I couldn't do any of that. So I just decided to try other sports instead. What part of Texas? In Houston. And so you start playing lacrosse and basketball and football and all that kind of stuff. You do that through high school? I did football, soccer, lacrosse, and track.

And what brings you back around? Specifically. Well, I mean, so let's just take it through. So after high school, where do you go next? So throughout high school, I did football, soccer, lacrosse, and track, and then basketball outside of school. And I played on a club soccer team outside of school as well. You were worried about being overcommitted by doing gymnastics. I mean,

just didn't want to belong to one thing. And so I, I excelled, um, probably the best at soccer. Um, and so, uh, my senior year I was, you know, looking at scholarships to go play in college or um take it to the next level and I ended up blowing my knee out I tore my ACL, LCL, and PCL and tore all the nerves in my in my knee in my knee that I couldn't wiggle my toes and kind of ended any sports career that I had envisioned uh going into for college and so it was quite devastated. And I ended up rehabbing and tearing it again, my freshman and sophomore year of college. I ended up going to the University of Arizona and ended up rehabbing and going up and going and finally making like the club soccer team at Arizona, which was just kind of more for like mental, like, you know, say that I could come back and do it, but didn't really,

it wasn't a huge prosperous career. So after that I was kind of at a loss and, but in doing rehab for, you know, three plus years on a knee, I really got into rehabilitation and physical therapy and I'm just working out in general. So I just kind of started working out after college, just kind of doing, you know, any type of doing you know any type of i always preferred body weight but was using kind of heavy lifting weights for a while and then ended up kind of transitioning more into like body weight but always just kind of training on the side and um it wasn't until i moved to like santa monica uh venice area where i found muscle beach and i, hey, there's a whole community of acrobats in the world, you know, like, you know, strength training and, you know,

body training and all this type of stuff. And then also I think, you know, with the explosion of CrossFit, you know, happening a couple of years back, I realized that, you know, you really can become, you know, get back into, you know, making fitness as a sport again right regardless of age or whatever you're doing i mean did you when you finished college did you go into like a traditional job market situation i did i uh went and did commercial real estate and i worked for cushman wakefield and uh it couldn't have been uh you know it was about as corporate as it gets

you know i had to suit and tie every day but not not only suit and tie, but you had to only wear a black or blue suit, you know, and a red tie. And I was like, this is really not, this is not, how long did you do that for? I made it less than a year. Um, and then I went into, uh, I still worked in real estate. I went, I wanted to sell it more creative. So I worked for a, um, a real estate developer. Um, but then the market crashed and, um, and there was no developing going on for many years in real estate. So I, you know, I went back down the street to Pepperdine and, uh, got my MBA. So you had already, you, you are here in LA already. Yeah. I gotcha. Yeah. And then you go and you get your MBA. And what was the idea there?

Become a real estate kingpin? No. I was always more... Actually, I was interested in fashion and fitness. Those are the two things I really enjoy. So I was like, well, why not see how I can kind of combine that into a passion? So actually, of all things, it was, you know, I take it back. It was fashion, fitness, and then it was, you know, throwing events and philanthropy.

So I was throwing parties for this nonprofit, Falling Whistles, for a while. And then I was also helping out with different local venues, throwing parties and events. So I was doing that for a while and then helped open up a restaurant. But then eventually kind of evolved into starting a clothing line and fitness movement, which is called Positive Impact. Pi Lifestyle. Yeah, so Pi Lifestyle is what's up right now, and then it's evolving into Positive Impact Movement,

which is all about this movement of making a positive impact through movement. So it'll be kind of a destination site where you can, you know, we teach people about the calisthenic movements that i do you know teaching people the basics of not only how to move within the body but you know how moving and moving within the body really you know helps move the soul and the mind as well so uh we'll have you know apparel attached to that and uh kind of the lifestyle of of how we live right cool yeah i saw the apparel is already up, right? Excuse me.

You have a program where 3.14% of every purchase, pie, right? Is donated to not exactly a charity of your choice, but you get to pick between three different disciplines, right? Whether it's, what is it? It's shelter.

Yeah, food, water, and shelter. Food, water, and shelter, right? And you have one charitable organization for each of those. Yeah, and so we're affiliated with them and just trying to make a difference in the world because giving back to the world, the world gives back to you.

So it's just kind of putting that intention out with everything that we do so uh so getting back to kind of the timeline so you're you you moved to santa monica and you discover this community in venice beach begin to immerse yourself in this and you're starting to unlock your passion with this i mean mean, is it, are you down like on the, like Muscle Beach, Muscle Beach, like right there in Venice with the outdoor weights and those guys are like the bars over by the Santa Monica pier. Both. I love both of them equally. Um, although fun fact, uh, uh, via history, the Santa Monica rings and bars is actually the original Muscle Beach. Oh, it is. Yeah.

It started in like the twenties and thirties and, uh, was the only muscle beach until like the fifties and sixties. And then, um, they shut it down. The city of Santa Monica did. So Venice started one up,

uh, when Santa Monica shut one down right in the sixties. And that's kind of when the, the bodybuilding and Arnold and all that kind of stuff and, uh, the TV and the movies took place. And so that's kind of when the the bodybuilding and arnold and all that kind of stuff and the tv and the movies took place and so that's that's kind of what everyone knows is the muscle beach but santa monica is the original one and they brought it back in the 80s so right so you're like og muscle beach yeah right because all those videos i saw those are those all look like they're right by the santa monica pier right yeah um I actually, I would go to both equally, but, um, now that I

moved to Venice, I'm, I'm at the Venice one probably, uh, just as much as I am the Santa Monica one. And so what, you know, what does that look like? You show up at a certain time every day and there's a bunch of dudes and women or whatever, and everybody's there. And so Sundays are kind of like the, the Mecca or the, the, the, the holy day that everyone goes out and meets up. You know, the weekends are popular, but I'd say Sunday afternoons, you know, my favorite thing to do, I go to the lake shrine down the street and then head to the beach right afterwards. But pretty much from 1 or 2 until the sun sets is kind of when all the acro yogis

and the handstands and the pull-up guys and the people swinging on the rings and people just kind of hanging out. There's a big grass area where everyone hangs out and it's you know if i could transport back to one place on on sundays that's where it would be so right um we do that or we have a we'll have a group meet up in venice one of the two so and like how many so sort of like how many people are part of this community here? So I actually, in that community, I mean, there's hundreds of people that come out. It's quite beautiful. And then I helped start a group with some friends, specifically kind of the more calisthenic and bar stuff we do.

It's called Raw Movement. And it's based all about we're kind of a group of people that just enjoy movement in general and it's we're just a positive community based around not just pull-ups but you know hand balancing or acroyoga or you know any type of just movement in general so that's where the we're the raw movement crew and uh and so where does this how does this end you up in on the american ninja competition on tv it's a it's a it's a fair question so i was actually this is a good story the day that i graduated from pepperdine getting my mba you know i was like my parents came out uh i graduated how many years ago two three years ago okay recently, I graduated and, um, where'd your parents come out from?

From Houston, Texas. And, uh, they were like, you can, we can go to celebrate, you know, take you to lunch, dinner, wherever you want to go in the city, you know, like, where do you want to go? And I was like, you know what? I really want to just go to Santa Monica muscle beach and get a workout. Let's go, let's go get a lunch somewhere on the beach and hang out there. And, uh, that day is when I met this group that was called the Barholics and they were a fitness bar group and they were doing their tricks on the beach. And I was like, Hey, you know, like I can do that. And they're like, Oh man, you're really talented. Like what, uh, what, what, you know, like what's your background? How'd you learn how to do all that stuff? And, and they're like, well, you know what? what we we get contracted by brands and the fitness expos to

come and do like really really hard stuff for all the uh different you know apparatuses you know like there's this brand called cross core which we do work for which is kind of like a trx on a pulley system and you know it's really hard to do a pull-up on it let alone a muscle up so uh which is a pull-up where you extend your body into a dip and so they're like hey we're putting on a show for these guys a demo you want to come join us and this was like yeah this is like three years ago i'm like sure and i mean and that's kind of when it all took place like literally over the weekend three years ago is when i first really kind of like met this group and it's kind of evolved and the, the group disbanded, we became raw movement, which is based more around just, you know,

movement in general and positivity. But, um, I was doing that and, uh, uh, about two years ago, a parkour gym called Tempest opened up and are two and a half years ago and it's up in the valley in Los Angeles and um I was like I've always seen parkour videos and I was like I want to go out there and I want to do that so I went to the parkour gym and uh quickly became friends with uh the pro team there they have a the people who started it have started a pro team and became friends with some of the guys on the team because i would just usually go there and just kind of go trick for trick for whoever was the best person at the gym at the time and like right off the bat yeah and walk on you walked right on the team i could do that yeah i can do that i can run up that wall yeah and so uh

i would go back and forth there a bunch and And so I, uh, I, and right after the fitness expo, um, I guess last year or two years ago, um, I got really sick. Actually I got what's called MRSA, which is this multi-resistant staph infection. And, um, it was, uh, put me in the hospital for like a week and a half or something like that. And so I was pretty much knocked out all of February. And then as soon as February was out. Wait a second. How did you get that?

I still don't know. You don't know? I got it. Yeah, that's the scary part. But different story. But the point of the story is when I came back. Dirty bars. Yeah.

Literally, I think it's. Raw movement. Yeah. Dirty bars. Yeah. Literally, I think it's, you know. Raw movement. Yeah. And, but when I came back, I finally, like, as soon as I had enough energy, you know,

my girlfriend was like, well, you know, what do you want to do? I was like, I just want to go, I want to go to a parkour gym. You know, like, I want to go jump around and I want to go move. And so we went to this gym and we went to Tempest. Before, sorry to interject, but if somebody's listening who doesn't know what parkour is, maybe explain what so parkour um is kind of the sport of basically like you see the people that jumping from rooftop to rooftop or climbing up walls um technically it's it's basically you getting from point a to point b you know as fast roof yeah fast moving car yeah if you've seen any

of the born identity movies yeah those guys running across roofs and jumping off buildings and stuff. Yeah, those guys, those are the parkour athletes. So I went to the parkour gym and was going trick for trick for this one athlete individual. And he was like, man, you've got some pretty good skill. Where did you, you know, like, are you here to train for American Ninja Warrior? I was like man you've you've got some you've got some pretty good skill you like uh where did you you know you know like are you are you here to train for american ninja warrior i was like no i like i i just got out of the hospital you know like i don't know i'm actually sick yeah i'm actually quite sick and and uh kind of recovering he's like oh dude i drove down here from seattle you know and um we're here for american ninja warrior i was like cool and his brother comes up he's like you don't know you're talking for American Ninja Warrior. I was like, cool. And his brother comes up. He's like, you don't know who you're talking to, do you? I'm like, no. I'm like, who

is this? He's like, this is Justin McGrath. He's the second farthest American Ninja Warrior ever. I'm like, that's pretty cool. You know, I love that show. And he's like, dude, and we became friends. And he's like, you should come watch the show. And we can probably get you on, you know. I was like, cool, you know. Like, I'll come watch, you know, like, uh, I was like, cool, you know, like I'll come watch, you know, like, uh, you know, Hey, I'm still quite kind of injured and tired, but like I'll come and I would love to any opportunity to, to, to be a part of it. So I went and watched, watched the show. Um, I was just kind of in the audience really. And, uh, an opportunity came up where they were like, Hey, we're taking a couple of walk-ons. And so I was like the, the they were able to squeeze like i think 10 walk-ons on at the end of the show and like

i was actually the only walk-on who actually like couldn't do it yeah i could do it i made it to the next round and they were like who is this guy you know like so they were pretty excited about it and so i was um i you know was still injured i did okay that that first season and then last season i did you know pretty well as well so right you were a finalist or semi-finalist yeah uh yeah a venice finalist and semi-finalist for the show um and it's just been a great experience and just kind of meeting the other ninja warriors and and parkour athletes of the world. It's kind of involved into this, like, you know, evolution of getting to opportunities to teach other people parkour. Right. How to do it.

Yeah. That's cool. And it's still, I mean, you, you've only been doing it, what, like a year and a half yourself or something like that at this point, right? Yeah. So about two years. Well, the cool kind of thing about, about it is, you know, in telling that story and you show up and you really have very little, almost no experience in this specific discipline. And yet you're able to, you know, kind of shine right out of the gate. It goes back to that theme of like, well, who are you? Like, you know, who is this guy?

I mean, that is the question. Who is this guy? Well, you're showing us who you are. Like this is at your core something that is, you know, you can almost make the argument that you were born to do you know absolutely and you just i mean even after graduating from business school all you want to do is go down to the beach in the gym you know it's like you don't want to go eat at the ivy or do what everybody else wanted to do it's like your inner voice your you know higher self is drawing you back to this place time and time again to show up here.

And it's led you, you know, to some pretty cool places. Yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's so amazing. It's like, you know, following your passion, you know, I didn't, I recommend this to anyone. It's like following what your inner voice or what your, your guide is, is telling you to do will only, you know, lead you to, you know, the ultimate reality. It's, it's so amazing that if you just go and try to follow your path of what you're supposed to do, like the doors will open up. Like it's, it's amazing. Like once you just kind of just like act more like the leaf in the wind, you know, you know, like let yourself go in the river of life and like, this is what you should be doing. It doesn't make sense maybe, but just do it. And like, it's amazing that what doors

will open up, you know? Yeah. The unit, I said that in my book, I think I said the universe will conspire to support you. But I think the important thing also is that you have to be pure with yourself. You know, if you are not, if you don't have a healthy relationship with yourself or you're disconnected from who you are, you may think you're following your inner muse or your inner voice, but there's a lot of static in there that you have to clear out first so that you can rely on that instinct and know that it is truly, you know, sort of the path for you. And I think that requires, that's a lot of, that's a lot of work to get to that point where you can trust and have that faith that you're

on the right path for yourself, even if it doesn't make sense. Yeah. It's, you know, the thing that I would stress the most is like, I get a real enjoyment from going to the Self-Realization Fellowship, which, which is, uh, people don't know is, um, uh, a temple here in Los Angeles, which really kind of focuses on, you know, not any one specific religion, but really focuses on, you know, finding your true path and who you are and looking internally. And that's something that I take great pride in every day is like looking internally for guidance as opposed to maybe from, you know, others or a book or any of that kind of stuff. Cause it's at the end of the day, you got to do what's fueling your passion. Right. Yeah. The Self-Realization Fellowship is an amazing organization.

They have a property in Pacific Palisades that looks out over the Pacific Ocean. It was founded by a legendary, amazing yogi by the name of Paramahansa Yogananda, who was one of the earliest emissaries from the East to the West, who kind of, in many ways, introduced the West to yoga and kind of ancient healing practices. And he had quite a following. He came to the United States in 1920, I think, and to California specifically, I think, around 1925, and had an interesting following of people,

everybody from George Eastman, the guy who invented the kodak camera to you know some pretty cool cats back in the day and uh and was spreading this word of yoga like long before you know now it's like you walk down the street everybody's got a yoga mat well he has a hand in why that is and he built these incredible temples there's one down in ensinitas on the ocean which is why that surf point is called Suami's because of his fellowship there. I think the original one was in Mount Washington in East LA. Yes, Mount Washington.

But he was quite an amazing character. And for people who've never heard of him, I urge all of you to check out his book, Autobiography of a Yogi, which is one of my favorite books. I've read it at least three times. I'm sure you've probably read it more than once. It's a classic.

It's a must. It's a good one. It's been an instrumental text in my kind of spiritual evolution, I would say. And there's all these crazy stories about it. I guess his core message really was transcending religion to find the divinity in all disciplines and to create unity around that. And it begins and ends with meditation practices, really. And he has this lake shrine in the Palisades.

And if you follow Travis on Instagram, he's not afraid to Instagram a photo now and again and meditating at the lake. Right? So how did you, how did you first sort of come into that practice? Um, well, driving up to Malibu every day for school, you know, I was always passing by it, but actually of all people, my mom told me about it, um, which was, which was pretty awesome of her. Um, but I went just kind of experienced once and I was like, you know, you know, when you walk into a place and you just kind of feel at home, it was like, uh, you know,

I was like, this is such a great energy. And it felt so at home. It was like, this is something I want to be, be back at as much as possible. So, um, I try to go there whenever I can. That's beautiful. What's your history with Yogananda, Julie? I have a deep history with Yogananda. No, I would say he is one of the guiding mentors in my life. Actually, one of the three people that have influenced me more than any other historical figure. And I've spent many, many, many, many meditations,

um, in communion with his energy and, um, uh, our home actually is dedicated to him and, uh, the, uh, life work that will emerge in service to the children and to creativity and meditation. Um, that's just happening now. So it was of course, wonderful to meet you at a Christmas party where we knew no one and you and Richard talking about parkour, which I have no idea what it is. I mean, I kind of did, but, um, you know, we sort of bond over that meditation thing because, you know, we share that kind of energy. And so over the weeks of texting and being in touch, you know, we know that we have that kind of common language or that, that base to, to begin from. Yeah. He, uh, he's

such an interesting, fascinating personality to mine. I mean, first of all, when you look at pictures of him, he has sort of aspects of masculine and feminine, like he's sort of emerging of the sexes. Like you can't tell whether he's a woman or a man, which is like like he's sort of emerging of the sexes like you can't tell whether he's a woman or a man which is like he's sort of all he's all in nothing and everything which is kind of amazing and there's this incredible story about when he passed away in 1952 that uh i guess 20 days later the person at forest lawn who interned him or the, I don't know if it was the mortuary guy or the guy at the cemetery said that his body had not deteriorated one bit in that 20 day period. He even signed, he was like, it was like a notarized document where he was like, I've never

seen anything like this. Well, there's a newspaper article at the Self-Realization Center in the museum that actually has a photo of Yogananda laying in state after he dropped his body. And it was, I believe, almost 30 days. And there was also an aroma of roses that was maintained. And that was his sort of demonstration of his transcendence of the physical. And finally, I think it freaked him out and they ordered it shut. Is that what happened? Yeah, the officials were like... Where's his body now? I don't know.

I actually don't know. I don't know. I think they have some of Gandhi's remains at the Self-Realization Fellowship. Yes, they do. So anyway, yeah, it's not... I mean, for people that are unfamiliar with this, it's not about a religion or any kind of crazy cult or sect it's really just about you know self-exploration and meditation

it's very non-denominational and so don't be threatened you know just check out check out that book if it speaks to you i don't know i think it's a cool resource for people in fact julie and i just this morning we went went and sat Darshan before a sort of enlightened personality. We received Darshan. Yeah, we received Darshan. From an enlightened female energy named Mother Mira. Have you heard of her? She's actually from India, from the south part of India.

And she lives in Germany. And she does just sort of a silent transmission so there's no discourse or speaking and it's an energy transmission so we spent a beautiful couple hours there with some dear friends ran into some old friends and uh very very beautiful consciousness yeah it was cool so how is how has like meditation kind of evolved for you and how I'm interested in, you know, I've had people that are meditation experts on the show. I've had world-class athletes, but, but it's rare that you find an athlete who really has, um, incorporated meditation practice, um, at a very kind of intimate level and I'm interested in the

the nexus between athletic performance or sort of wellness in a mind-body-spirit way with meditation sort of you know the athlete's perspective on that yeah it's it's it's I would say it's helped me a lot actually because in in what what I do, it's calisthenics, which is, you know, body movement. You have to really master the body and get it to move and perform and strengthen it to kind of hold crazy angles and crazy, you know, strength moves. And so really getting in tune with the body is really important. And just like yoga. getting in tune with the body is, is really important. Um, and just like a yoga, just like, just like yoga. And so in doing that, uh, it's, you know, you, you hit progressions and you hit goals and you try to go to the next plane. Um, and then in meditation, I find it very similar

in the sense that kind of like once I first started meditating, I realized that there's so much enjoyment from meditating more and learning more about not only yourself, but the spirits and your guides and how you can be better in tune with your soul, which is essentially being better in tune with your body. And so it's been a great parallel in the sense that I've been able to hold different moves or perform different stuff with my body physically, as well as I've been more in tune, I think, internally with my body, you know, my mind and soul. So it's kind of exercising all three and kind of getting that element is, I think, really helped me progress in the sport. I mean, I think that if you want to perform at your peak, you have to have mastery,

that if you want to perform at your peak, you have to have mastery, just not just over your physical, you know, mechanism, but over your mental and emotional and spiritual bodies, you know, and to the extent that you can do that, it's going to make you better in whatever your discipline is,

whether you're a corporate executive or a parkour artist or, or what have you, you know what I mean? I think, and I say this all the time, like at the highest level of sport, whatever your sport is, all of these athletes are incredibly talented. They're all training super hard. They can't train any harder than they already do. So what's left? Well, you can dial up the nutrition. And then after that, it's like,

well, what are you doing spiritually, emotionally, and mentally? And I feel like that gets some attention, but not nearly enough, you know, and I think that's the final frontier. If you really want to maximize who you are, unlock your true potential. Yeah. Like for example, the guy that I battled over this weekend, he's on Instagram is always go wide with a Z for always. And he's this really incredible athlete. always and he's this really incredible athlete um and uh jordan is uh just top of his top of his game you know he he was ranked top in the united states and you know he trains all day every day and and i knew that going in um and so i really had to to give it my all and i think that a perfect example that you could use for this is that you know there was this this move that i did which

is kind of like i jumped up onto a bar and did a backflip and then re-grab the bar. And so it's like a pretty scary move. And, uh, you know, physically it's very tough, but beyond that, mentally, it's just, you get the, the fear of like, I'm probably going to hit my head on this bar, you know, or I'm going to, you know, I'm going to miss it and land on the, on the ground and fall down. So it's, it's an element of fear just as much as mastering it physically. So, um, you know, I think that me and learning more in tune with my body and noticing that, you know, fear attracts fear and love attracts love. Like you can, you can overcome anything, you know, you have to set your mind to it. And that's something that you can, or I get, you know, a lot of inspiration

from, from a lot of readings and meditations that i do and that transcends exactly into what i'm performing you know so i was able to perform this move that i you know i think that helped win the competition basically just because you know it's i think you gotta mentally overcome that you can do anything and that that transcribes you know in your workout to your business, to your, any, any, any obstacle that you are. Yeah. I mean, it would have been very easy for you to just say, I can't beat this guy. He trains all day, trains more than me. He knows certain things that I don't know.

He's been doing it longer and you can get into that like self-defeatist dialogue and then, you know, and then go tell somebody else and have them rubber stamp it and say, yeah, you're right. You did good. But you know what I mean? Like to the, it's, it's really hard to put that to rest and transcend that and get into a different headspace with it. Like that's, that's amazing. Well, and I think like the default with is that the way that, um, we're all programmed as we get into a flow and we're trying to achieve something or we're working on the technique or the physical or we're even working mentally. And, you know, I was reminding myself this morning after spending two hours in deep meditation, just completely,

you know, out that, you know, I have to remember, we have to remember it's to our benefit that meditation should be the first thing, the first thing, not the thing like, well, I'll do that later after I finished my to-do list. You know, it's the thing that if you, if you can achieve that and shift that focus and make that the priority where that's the first thing you do, you get up and you sit. Some people say don't meditate at night. I'm all for meditating at night. I mean, I think it's another quiet moment. But that communion with yourself, you can't even know the messages you're receiving

or the rejuvenation you're receiving. It's quite extraordinary. And I've experienced it, you know, with my music. And, you know, I wasn't even trying to write songs. And it was my deepest heart's desire. And my personality didn't even know, like wasn't even paying attention. And then I started meditating and then they just started coming. So I think we all have amazing gifts that are waiting there to be communicated. And so meditation is really a key and a technique and a practice that can really, really free us. it into action though because I understand that intellectually and I struggle with putting it into action and when I do put it into action I see the results sometimes almost immediately in

the quality of my life or just in the quality of my day-to-day interactions with other people or how I feel like today I feel great because we went and we did that this morning um but then tomorrow I'll wake up and I'll be like I'm busy busy. And, you know, sometimes the idea for, of, of me going out and hammering like a 12 mile run is easier than trying to just get myself to sit down and be quiet for 20 minutes. Well, that's true. And, and, um, we'll be exploring this more, um, with each other as the weeks go on. But, but, um, you know, there's a, an actually a beautiful monk who we're going to be hosting at the house. His name is Vidya Hishananda, and he is from the high Himalayas, meditating in the caves in the northern Himalayas.

And he shared very recently that you may go out and experience a run, and you may have a meditative experience, but running is not meditating. So he was very clear to point out to many of us that a lot of people are interchanging those two things and thinking that if I sing, I can lose myself. And I could say, well, that's meditation. Or if I'm cooking and I'm in the moment, that's meditation. Or if I'm cooking, you know, and I'm in the moment, that's meditation. Or if you're training, that's meditation. But he's being very clearly distinguishing. That is not meditation.

It is a meditative experience. They're two different things. So it's going to be interesting. Yeah. I don't want to hear that. I know you don't. No, you know, I'm getting better. I'm evolving. You are. You've been meditating actually quite a lot.

And I need it because I don't, you know, my default is not to show up at a competition and go face-to-face with a guy who I know is trained harder than me and believe that I can beat him. My default, unless I work hard to counteract it is very defeatist is very negative. Like my, I can, you know, I'll start saying things will come out of my mouth and Julie will say, you're just running that program again. Like when are you going to, you know, when are you going to like reboot your operating system and install a new program? And it's like, I need that objective feedback to remind me when I'm like, oh yeah, you're right. I am like, I don't have to to remind me when I'm like, oh yeah, you're right.

I am like, I don't have to tell myself that story. I can tell myself a different story. Right. And it's, it's the thoughts that are so powerful too, you know, so we can say, well, I didn't say anything or, you know, I, you know, I, uh, no one knew how I really felt or whatever, but it's like, if you're running those thoughts, you know, that's my little joke around where I just say thoughts are things. Yeah. That can be so annoying. Thoughts are things. So anyway, meditation is listen for years. I mean, I read, I didn't even, I read only spiritual texts for probably 30 years of my life. I never read a story, you know. And for many of those

years, I was reading in all of those books, the information I was getting, basically the biggest key of everything I ever read was meditate. And I kept reading about it and knowing that it was really, really important, but I wasn't ready to do it yet until, you know, life kind of provided me with a space that wasn't so great. It wasn't so fun, but, um, it, uh, forced me to sit down. When you're, when you're, you know, staring down the barrel of trying to up the ante on the next level of what you're trying to accomplish with your calisthenics or your parkour, and that fear crops up, what are the techniques that you use to dismiss it or deal with it or walk through it? Yeah, and this is what i recommend for not only in the physical space but you know in business or anything else but it's steps it's progression um so like

for example like the the backflip re-grab that i was working at you know like first thing i did was you know i made a line in the sand and you know i was doing backflip on the ground and then i found a bar that was you know i did on a cement block that was two two feet off the ground and then I there's a balance beam that was you know three feet off the ground and then you know four and five and kind of you work your way up and then um so it's just taking those small steps but you know I you know and eventually be able to do it on a you know 10 foot 10 foot bar or something like that but um, um, it's, it's kind of taking those small steps. If I never did the, the, the two foot or the three foot, I would have never tried the 10 foot, you know? So it's like, but you know, once you, once you make that, you're like, Oh, okay. I did

that last one. I think I can do the next one. You know, like, I think I could do this next one, you know? And it's like, um, you, that applies so well in like any kind of obstacle that you're doing, from obstacle courses to life. To meditation. To meditation, right. Basically, it says sit down and create a plan, a progression, and set your goal out in the future and work backwards from that. What are the stepping stone goals that you're going to try to hit? I mean, it's no different,

like Ultraman, like sounds so crazy and long. And when I first thought I'm going to do this, I didn't know how it was going to happen, but you just back it up. And you're like, you know, this week I'm going to go this far. And then the next week, when you go a little bit farther,

it doesn't seem like that much. And before you know it, you're breaking through all those boundaries and you're doing more than you ever thought you ever could. And it doesn't even feel like that crazy or amazing because it's just one step further than you went the week prior or the month prior. Right. And so if I was, if I was going to give somebody some advice or some help to get started in a meditation practice, they could just, you could just simply sit down and

say, I'm going to take 10 really, really long inhales and exhales as long as I can. You're going to make the inhale as smooth as the exhale, like even breaths. And if you just did, if you just started every morning with 10 of those breaths, so as long as you can do it. So it could be, you know, eight counts counts or if you have a lot of length lung capacity it could be 20 counts inhaling and then exhaling the same length that already is a form of meditation so there you go you just meditated for the first time and then you can take that and build on that and you can try techniques and go from there all right it's so's so easy. Maybe I'll try that. Just try that.

Have you seen this documentary, The Crash Reel? The snowboarding documentary? I've heard a lot about it and I have not seen it yet. Oh my goodness. I've heard great things though. Julie and I just got back. We were in Las Vegas

for the last three days taking part in something called Catalyst Week, which is a program started by Tony Hsieh, for the last three days, taking part in something called Catalyst Week, which is a program started by Tony Hsieh, the CEO of Zappos, and his dream to reinvigorate the downtown section of Los Angeles. Not the strip part. No, Las Vegas.

What did I say? You said Los Angeles. I said Las Angeles. I meant Las Vegas. Las Vegas. The old downtown part of Las Vegas down by City Hall where Zappos just moved into the old City Hall building as their headquarters.

Fremont Street and all that. Yeah, exactly. Fremont Street. You've heard about it? I've been to Cattleless Week. Oh, you have been to Cattleless Week. Cool. Great experience.

Yeah, it was amazing. And basically, for those that are listening, he's earmarked like $350 million of his own dollars to this gentrification project. Not even gentrification. It's really reinvigoration. And he's bought like $200 million worth of real estate, essentially like a six-block square, you know, six square blocks of this downtown area. area and trying to bring in young entrepreneurs and social entrepreneurs and support them and their startups to breathe new life into this area. And once a month, they have something called Catalyst Week where they bring in interesting, compelling people, speakers, etc.

And I was fortunate enough to be asked to come and speak. And Julie and I went out there and there were some amazing speakers and it was an incredible experience learning about what's happening down there. And I urge everybody who's listening to it, if you just Google Downtown Project Zappos, you can read a bunch of articles. They profiled it in Forbes and Wired and all these magazines. But Kevin Pierce and his brother Adam were there, and they screened this documentary, The Crash Reel, which is essentially the story of Kevin, who was an Olympic hopeful,

who leading up into the 2012 Olympics was basically going to be the guy who was finally going to beat Sean White in snowboarding. He was already beating Sean in many, many races. He had been beating him all year and then suffers this horrible accident, a traumatic brain injury, when he wipes out on a training run. And it's sort of the story of what happens and how his family deals with it and how he comes back. bar to the 15 meter bar when you're going to do this next back flip to the progression and snowboarding of the crazier and crazier tricks and building your own private half pipe and and you know these foam baths or whatever they could land do so they can continue to push the envelope and kind of where that's going with x games and these crazy things that they're doing on snowmobiles

and dirt bikes and all of that so So, um, it's an inspiring movie. Everybody, if you haven't seen it, it's an HBO documentary. I don't know if it's still airing on HBO, but you can get the DVD on Amazon, et cetera. Um, and we got a chance to hang out with Kevin and, uh, and Adam, and we were so inspired by these two guys and what they're trying to do to try to spread awareness for traumatic brain injuries and being safe and the message really isn't don't do these fun things it's be mindful of what you're doing and and and i think it it sort of dovetails into what you do and this mindfulness this practice of mindfulness that you're bringing to what you know from an outsider's perspective looks like it could be terribly dangerous and it is dangerous what you do yeah and it's so looks like it could be terribly dangerous. I mean, it is dangerous what you do. Yeah. And it's so funny that on the comments on Instagram and Facebook and stuff,

you need to get a wide variety of comments like, Oh, that's so amazing. That's so inspiring. Or that's, that's so dangerous. You know, like I would never true that or, you know, that's, that's, that's, that's silly. But like, you know, I also train all the time for, to do this and progress to do this. So it's not, I wouldn't say, it's a different, I wouldn't recommend anyone try it on the first day. Kids don't try to set a helmet. Do you wear a helmet?

I do not, no. Kevin Pierce has a message for you. We have a helmet for you, actually, when you leave today. But if I was snowboarding or skiing, I would wear a helmet. Not specifically for the pull-up bar. Right. So I want to talk about where this is, where this has led you. Cause so after this, this Ninja warrior experience, suddenly you're kind of like the guy, right? Like you're, you're the go-to parkour, you know, calisthenics guy and you're living in los

angeles and so this is suddenly creating opportunities do you have new special clothes for that title uh well i decided i decided to make my own clothes yeah that's right i wanted to in in kind of in entering the the the yoga calisthenic body movement world like was reaching out with speaking with different brands and i didn't really identify with any of the specific brands so i wanted to make one that you know could make a difference and and one that was giving back you know i was so inspired by like a tom shoes and a patagonia right and was wishing that there was a brand like that in the in the activewear space so i went out and started my own. So cool. Yeah, it's cool.

So go to, it's pie lifestyle.com. And so like how many styles is the line and is it men's and women's and it's men's and women. And, uh, we have, we started off with a basic line and then we're revolving and we have like a

full line of, uh, we just start off with tops to begin with, but we have tops and sports bras and, and pants and, uh, jackets and everything designed out so we can start rolling everything out um in the future awesome cool

and uh so but back to kind of my line of inquiry of kind of where this is taking you in terms of opportunities you have so you have your own company now um but but you're like you're like the guy now so when someone wants to learn parkour like i mean are you getting opportunities to be like a stuntman in the movies i mean i know you did i want to hear about your experience on the tim ferris's new show tim ferris the tim ferris experiment right yeah the experiment yeah so i guess tim ferris was uh has a show that has come out called the tim ferris experiment and uh he basically, for people who don't know, he's an author that wrote the four hour work week and the four hour body and

the four hour chef. And it's a New York times bestselling book that kind of displays, you know, kind of shortcuts for life is basically an easy way to describe it, but you know how to, how to, you know, work for four hours a week and that kind of stuff. But it transitions into like the body, you know, like how to, how to, you know, work for four hours a week and that kind of stuff. But it transcends, transitions into like the body, you know, like how to, how to lose weight quickly or how to gain muscle, that kind of stuff. And so, um, he wanted to use these kind of, he's this kind of self-proclaimed scientific guinea pig, you know, on like how to test and find the fastest

route to the cheese. And so, wanted to start doing different type of exercises or different skill sets. So one of them was actually drumming. And on the premiere episode, he did a drumming with a world-famous drummer and performed at a concert and that kind of stuff. I think it was with The Police, the drummer from The Police. I can't remember the exact episode.

Miles Copeland? Is that who it is? Who's the drummer? No, I don't know. No, Miles Copeland wasn't the drummer. It's Stewart. I don't remember. Anyway.

That's bad. Yeah, that's bad. I got asked to do it with one of the pro team members at the Tempest gym is, uh, named Brian Roscoe. So he was, he was asked to be one of the coaches and I was asked to be one of the coaches for the parkour and more specifically in the calisthenic world. So we were the two, uh, experts in, uh, teaching Tim how to do parkour. Right. So he comes in and he's like, teach me how to do this.

And then his whole thing is the 80-20 rule. Like how can I figure out how to perform at least 80% of what you're doing with 20% of the work, which is kind of like his thumbnail thing. So he's trying to identify the shortcuts to learning this quickly. Is that the idea? A shortcut to parkour. Exactly. When you're dealing, I mean, it's one thing

when you're drumming, it's another thing when you're dealing with something that's potentially very dangerous. No, so he only runs up like a foot and a half.

No. I wouldn't put it past him to figure anything out. Tim's an athlete. We put him through a rigorous test. He'll tell you all about it. Yeah, that episode,

it hasn't aired yet. It hasn't aired yet so I can't I can't give away the ending but but you got to spend how much time with him you know

a week right you know so which was great and do you know when that episode is going to air

I'll find out for you guys I'll shoot you an email but it should be coming out pretty soon within the next month cool so but

that was a great experience, but you know, we, with Tim, it was not necessarily like, you know, he runs, you know, only 20% of the course, we take him through everything and then he figures out how he can do it more efficiently. So we would basically teach him, you know, how to jump from one wall to the other. And, you know, basically there's many different techniques to get from point A to point B, but how to do that the fastest or the most efficient. So I'm teaching him a move which is called a Kong, which is basically like if you have a, you know,

I have my hand on a stack of books from the richest book here. But if I'm walking over and this is something like, imagine it being like a hurdle. It with something that you need to jump over you can place your hands on it and throw your body over it and it's called a kong right and so we were teaching him how to kong and do double kongs and stuff everything you'd see on like the james bond movies and that kind of stuff or the born identity movies but um teaching him those type of stuff and then we applied it to an actual course,

how to get through a timed course as fast as possible. Gotcha. That's cool, man. So are you getting calls to be in the next Bond movie? I mean, does this translate into you doing parkour on film? Because, I mean, you make your own videos and all of that, and people are paying attention to what you're doing. So I'm interested in where it's heading for you.

If you guys want, James Bond, you want to call? I'll answer, no. To answer your question, I do have friends that do like stunts in movies and it's something that interests me. But doing stunts in movies, just because it's just like being an actor, just because there's tons of people that want to be actors and actresses. Um, but you gotta go to the auditions and you gotta, you know, you gotta not only be skilled, but a little bit lucky as well. And,

you know, there's, there's a lot of, you know, the talent is there to do the stunts, but, you know, what's been motivating me more right now is, you know, running a business and, you know, and teaching a movement. Um, I think that what's really been inspiring me now is not just specifically, you know, entering these competitions, which I really enjoy doing, but I want to be able to teach other people how to move better, move more fluidly either within parkour or with the calisthenics. And so I'm, I'm really interested in kind of combining a yoga and a calisthenics and a parkour and melting everything together and teaching people how to move and get, get, you know,

more comfortable within their bodies and kind of the animalistic instinct of, of going back and using your, your instincts and playing like a kid again, you know, like getting, it's so good for our society and for humans to kind of get back into that role. And so it's, um, I, I'm more motivated by that than trying to be, you know, being, being exploded in a movie and like, you know, like, Oh, I'm that guy that caught on fire. You know, like it's, it doesn't motivate me as much, but you know, like I,

if there was an opportunity I would do it, but I'm not knocking on doors to do it. Right. So are you like actively coaching or not coaching, but are leading, I guess, teaching, um, you know, open groups. I mean, if somebody was interested in like learning from you, yeah. So I, out of Venice, Santa Monica or in the LA area right now, you know, I do train and teach people, you know, at muscle beach. Um, and I enjoy doing that, you know, training people actually out of my garage, I turn my garage into a gym. And so I've been, uh, training, um, kind of invite only type, uh, group training right now. But you know, that I want, that'll involve into kind of workshops and, and, uh, and speaker series and all that kind of stuff as well. So that's kind of the next evolution. Yeah. I can see you. I mean,

have you gone to schools and, and, uh, talk to kids and done demos and stuff like that a little bit um i we did some experience so like kind of the next evolution as well as you know we're giving money to a food water shelter with pie lifestyle the next evolution is going to be a positive impact movement which will be launching um you know this year and with that we have a dedicated uh non-profit which i'm going to start which will be just to improve parks and playgrounds for kids and so from there my vision is really i want to be able to you know the calisthenic parks that are if you google the battle the bars three that i was in right it's just a you know it's a pull-up bar and some dip bars and some monkey bars i want to be able to install these

and maybe some sand you know at different parks all across the world and kind of like what Venice or Santa Monica Muscle Beach is. So like dedicate and raise awareness, you know, I'm going to always be donating at least 5% back to this nonprofit, but I want to go to out to schools and teach kids how to, you know, bring back, you know, cause P is being cut out of all the schools, you know? So be another alternative of teaching people how to, how to get out there and move, you know, like, you know, stop playing the video games, you know, get off the couch. Yeah. I mean, when we were, when we were in, uh, in downtown Las Vegas the other day and they were giving us a tour, we were in Tony Shay's apartment and there's a, there's a wall where they

have all these post-it notes up there with all these ideas of that people have put up for different things that they'd like to see in downtown. And I thought it would be cool to have like an adventure course that just went around with bars and things like that. And I thought of you and I thought, you know, you probably would be suggesting that, you know, to be able to cruise around that neighborhood and have stuff, you know, pull up bars or whatever, just positioned in different locations. It's funny you said that, but I've actually talked to Tony about it already. Oh, you have? Okay, good. Of course you have.

Yeah, and Tony's actually really excited about it. So I have a build team up at Summit Series. I'd shown you guys, but for the people who's not listening, I helped Summit Series as an organization which brings together interesting people like Catalyst, but people that are entrepreneurs and social entrepreneurs and, uh, this group, you know, I think it's summit.co

as their website and you can learn more about it there, but they pulled together and they bought, uh, a mountain in Utah called powder mountain. And, uh, I was fortunate enough to, um, become friends with them and, uh and I've done some work out there and I helped build a bird's nest with my friend Hannes and it's insane and it's the coolest thing I've ever seen and built some other you know interesting we built like a wiki up which is like a wooden teepee and I also built a wooden version of, or a natural version of Muscle Beach called Muscle Forest. And, you know, I wanted to be able to start building

more calisthenic playgrounds and natural playgrounds. And so I was telling Tony Hsieh about it. And so he's interested. I just got to, you know, we got to get, put all the pieces, all the puzzle together for the proposal, but it's something that I would envision happening. That's very cool.

It should be. It can't cost that much money either. It's a pretty low-dollar investment. But I want to talk about this bird nest thing because that doesn't really do it justice. You showed us pictures. Hopefully, I would love to put a couple pictures of those art pieces up on the

blog post yeah i'll send you some to me i think it might be one on my instagram but they're incredibly beautiful when you say bird's nest this is a this thing is like 15 feet across in diameter right like it's a life size like a human sized bird's nest made out of interwoven branches that is absolutely stunning. I mean, they're incredible works of art. And then the one that kind of stands up, what do you call the one that kind of has a bulb at the top with a hole in it? Yeah, so it's a fully enclosed bird's nest, essentially. So it's one that, you know, is a hole that you can kind of climb into.

And I can't take all the credit for building or designing it designing it. Um, my, my friend Hannes Wingate is, is the man responsible for it, but, uh, a really neat story how we met as I was at Summit Series and they bring together just kind of interesting people and CEOs and, you know, meeting founders of different companies and, you know, uh, you know, your Tony Shays and that kind of stuff are there. And I, you know, so I'm shaking hands and meeting people and I meet a guy who says, you know, your Tony Shays and that kind of stuff are there. And, you know, so I'm shaking hands and meeting people. And I meet a guy who says, you know, I was like, oh, what company do you run? He's like, oh, I'm just here to build a bird's nest. I'm like, what do you mean by that?

And he's like, no, I'm going to build a human-sized bird's nest. It replicates, you know, life and, you know, the company's nesting here. And so I wanted to be in a physical art piece that you could represent. And I was like, well, I'd love to help you build that. And he's like, well, you know, it's quite dangerous. It's going to be a lot it's quite dangerous it's gonna be a lot of work it's gonna be a lot of work i don't think you really want to do this and you know you got to be climbing up a tree like and i was like no you don't understand i'm the guy i don't think you understand i'm a ninja you know like i showed him my video and he's like oh okay yeah you can help me and so i became his apprentice and um

you know and it's involved into not only, you become friends with someone quite quickly when you're up in a tree with them for, you know, weeks at a time. So, you know, kind of the vision is to continue to build out these types of nests and parks and playgrounds is something that we've been working on. Well, we hope we're going to be able to get you guys to build one here. Yeah.

I know, that's a dream to be able to get you guys to build one here yeah i know that's that's that's a dream to be able to to be able to get that going on we'll build one we'll build one here and any of the viewers who are looking for one-of-a-kind art uh art piece in bird's nest you know we're for hire so is there is there a website for that or um just contact us you know we're eventually we're kind of we're just kind of word of mouth right now yeah and again i'll put a couple of pictures up of the pieces you guys have done on the site Contact us. Just contact you. We're eventually, we're kind of, we're just kind of word of mouth right now. We're flying around. Yeah, and again, I'll put a couple of pictures up of the pieces you guys have done on the site. But, you know, he just,

he works with really high-end clientele and builds, you know, specific pieces for what they're kind of... What you're saying is it's not cheap. No, it's not cheap, but it's, you know, it's a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity. That's right. So I want to talk about Summit a little bit

because Julie and I are getting ready to go out there next month. I don't know. You're going to be there. You're going to be there too. You're going to be there the 21st or the 23rd. Yeah. Thank you.

No problem. We have not been out to Powder Mountain yet, but we're looking forward to it. And it is pretty amazing what this group of young individuals have built. And you've been up there a couple of times. Yeah. Yeah. A handful of times. They've been hosting kind of annual events and get togethers now that they have this physical location. And they're really trying to build community around this mountain. They bought an unbelievable amount of real estate. They bought the entire mountain. They have, they're developing,

you know, properties where people can have homes there. And the idea is to really kind of incubate great ideas around social entrepreneurs and thought leaders. And they invite interesting people out there and they have annual events like these. Um, they did one last summer, I guess, where everyone stayed in tents and they've done one in a, on a, on a cruise line. And it's a pretty dynamic group of, you know, they're all like, what, in their early 30s. Yeah. Pretty much young people who've really seemed to done some pretty amazing things in a short period of time.

So it'll be interesting to learn more about that and to see where that's heading. But I'm looking forward to it. Yeah. I keep meeting people who have been up there and, you know, I've gotten to know Elliot Bisnow, who's the founder, a little bit, and Natalie Spilger, who we've met.

We went to one dinner when they had it in Brentwood. What was that, two summers ago? Yeah, they had an amazing dinner in Brentwood that was just extraordinary. So it's fun. Yeah, what do we need to know? What should we be? Just be prepared for a good time. than that all righty bring our snowboards and our skis right yeah you can rent them there

rent them there good because i'm looking forward to skiing yeah we we got back into skiing uh over the holidays we were in alaska seeing my family and uh it was so nice to be back on the snow. It's been a long time for me. So anyway, it'll be good. Being up in the mountains in the snow. It's not bad. It's refreshing. It's really nice.

So I guess we can, I want to wrap it up, but I'm interested in kind of, you know, parting words and the kind of message that you want to make sure you convey to young people or people out there that feel stuck in their life or feel like this is all great, but I'm not a talented gymnast. And, you know, I just go to work every day. And, you know, you're talking about authentic self. I don't even know what that means. Like, you know, what are you even trying to say to me? Yeah.

I think the easiest answer to that is looking internally. Excuse me. Either through meditation or through just self-reflection or stress that meditation even could be writing in a journal or it could be walking down the street alone. It doesn't have to be chanting with candles and, chanting and, you know, and with candles and incense, it's, it's, it's, it's really kind of looking internally of what you are and what your gifts are and what, what makes you happy and, and, and going forth. And, um, the universe, like you said, the universe kind of unfolds and unlocks

itself once you find out what makes you happy and then going all in on it. So it's like, don't be afraid to be who you are and work towards being the best that you can be. In doing that, you'll really unlock what it is that you're supposed to be doing. And you will get such gratification from doing that. For me, it's making a positive impact in the world through movement and, and, and that's, you know, what I enjoy, but that doesn't mean that that is the right answer for anyone else, you know? And, and, and I, I enjoy meeting people who do enjoy it, but it doesn't, I get more enjoyment from finding people who, who find themselves and, and, and are just being the best at being them.

Right. And I think there is something universal, though, about finding happiness in service. And the more that you're giving back, whether it's through Pi Lifestyle or through the teaching that you're doing or inspiring young people, there is something in that exchange

that really is the secret know, really, you know, the secret to kind of unlocking, you know, happiness can be used in kind of a glib way, but really kind of like satisfaction with what you're doing with your life. Yeah, it's, you know, it's enjoyable, you know, everything's an evolution, but it's like, you know, like, just like I said, like, you know, when I graduated from Pepperdine, like, you know what, I want to be teaching Tim Ferriss something one day, you know, like, you know, like, you know, like, how, how, how do I go out, you know, like, you know, if that was my goal when I graduated college, like, I want to be an expert in something, you know, it's like, you know, I want to, you know, I thought it would have been,

I had to be the best in running a clothing line or running a business or something like that. And then Tim would want to get my advice or something like that. But, you know, I never would have thought I'd been like, Hey, you get, get really good at pull-ups and jumping up stuff. You know, like Tim Ferriss is going to knock on your door. You know, like it's not like I never knew that, you know, but it's, it's me just following my passion and people realize that you're doing you and being really good at it. Like, I think, um, you know, so you'll see some more photos on my Instagram or on my blog. Um, that all that my foot, I was looking at my, some photos, my photographer took over the weekend and like, you know, there's some really awesome photos of me jumping off stuff and flipping off stuff. But like him and I, we get just as much enjoyment,

like the celebration or the look on my eye, you know, like the look in my eye that like, I'm just really enjoying what I'm doing you know in between sets you know like you know when i'm like you know chalking up and about to jump on again you can see that like you know this i'm just being me you know this i'm enjoying every yeah for real is you're being authentic you know and even in the i watched a video of you at the the ninja warrior you know you're running the course or whatever and they're like this guy just won't stop smiling. What is he doing? And that's infectious, you know? And, and it's that same, like, I relate to what you just said completely, because, you know, I didn't start riding my bike, you know, four or five years ago,

because I wanted to have a podcast, you know, it's like, it doesn't even make sense. You know, I was like, I was doing it. I felt compelled to do it. It didn't make any sense, but I felt like this is, you know, this is, this is something I need to do. This feels right to me. And, and there were many times where it didn't, you know, it was sort of like, what am I doing? You know, like sort of dark moments of the soul, but just feeling compelled to continue on this path and having trust and faith that it would lead me in some direction, any direction, but to look back and then you look backwards and it all makes perfect sense, but you can't have that foresight. You can't see it, you know, where you're at looking forward.

And you just have to trust that will unfold if you're, if you really are dialed in interpersonally with who you are and you're trusting and you really are dialed in interpersonally with who you are and you're trusting and you're kind of taking the next right action on a daily basis. You still have to do the work. Like people say, oh, we'll have faith. I mean, that can get misconstrued to this idea that you're sitting around doing nothing, waiting for things to happen. It doesn't mean that. It just means that continue to do what you're due. Don't. Don't overly attach to the results of anything and just be true to yourself. Absolutely. Yeah.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I don't know. I'm just, you know, regurgitating what you said beautifully before. Yeah. I think kind of to pull that in for other people listening, for example, like if you told me I had to run 10 miles, like I would, I could, I don't, Hey, I wouldn't want to do it, you know, or I wouldn't, I wouldn't be happy doing, you know, anything after the first mile, you know? And, but, you know, just like if, you know, like, Hey, you want to come down to do some pull-ups with me on the beach? You're like, probably not want to do that many pull-ups, you know? But it's like, it's, you know,

at the end of the day, it's like you put in the work, you know? It's like, you know, like, just like you were saying, it's like to run in the work, you know, it's like, you know, like just like you were saying, it's like to run an ultra marathon, you know, it's like, you know, you got to start running the five, the 10 K, the half marathon, the marathon, you know, and then it comes a progression, you know? And so it's like finding your passion, whatever it is, it might be art, it might be meditation, it might be, you know, playing the guitar or the drums, you know, like find, find your muse and go after it. So, yeah. And I think, you know, playing the guitar or the drums, you know, like find your muse and go after it. Yeah, and I think, you know, in this, you know, day and age, particularly with men, we're not encouraged to do that. You know, it's sort of like it's not okay for a dude to like, you know, follow his muse. You know what I mean?

you know, follow his muse, you know what I mean? Especially if he's, you know, Hey man, you got bills to pay and you got mouths to feed and, you know, get back to work and, you know, show up at, you know, get to work early and the early bird gets the worm. There's no time for the muse. Like, what are you talking about? The muse, you know what I mean? And, and so my message is always, you know, no matter how busy you are, you've got to find a way to unlock, you know, that, that piece that you've pushed down that maybe, you know, you enjoyed as a kid, you are, you've got to find a way to unlock, you know, that, that piece that you've pushed down that maybe, you know, you enjoyed as a kid, you know, you've got to find a way to foster and fertilize and, and breathe life into some passion. Maybe it's a lost passion. Maybe it's a new one. And that doesn't mean you're going to quit your job or be irresponsible to your family.

Just start trying to find a way to express it more fully in your life and, and, you know, let that blossom however it may. Yeah. Yeah. And it is tied to your, you know, your, your child self, you know, like what was natural to you before anybody told you you couldn't do it or before, you know, life circumstance set in and something else took off. Um, because we all share that even here in this room, each of us are doing our authentic heart and living that is what we were naturally doing as a kid. Yeah. Like, uh, you know, we can call my mom up, but she'll tell you that at two years old,

I was on the roof, you know? So it's like, you know, like, and I was scolded, I shouldn't be up there, but who would have not thought that, you know, jumping from roofs is, you know, you couldn't get me out of the pool or, you know, I wouldn't come home, you know, I was running around the neighborhood outdoors and wouldn't come inside. So it is that very childlike, innocent thing that you're just hardwired to, you know, be attracted to and trying to recapture some aspect of that and express it in adult life, I think is, you know, something we all need more of. Yeah. And I remember I was six years old and I had a, uh, it was like a singing program for some holiday. And, uh, I got up and I had the flu and I knew I had the flu, but I went anyway because I knew I had

this performance. And then when we were waiting to go on, I just couldn't, I couldn't bear it. I just, my fever was too, too bad. So I went to the nurse's office and my teacher came to me and, and, um, you know, she felt really bad. And I remember looking at her and telling her, her name was Sally Brown. And I said, well, you're going to have to do it without me. And I said it like really straight face. And I remember her kind of laughing because for me, even though I was six, I was a full-blown singer. Like it wasn't, it was just funny. So yeah, so me too.

Right. All right, man. How do you feel? I feel great. Did we do it? Yeah, I think we did it, man. Did we discuss it? Thanks for doing it.

That was awesome. That was very inspiring. Yeah, I think we did it, man. Did we discuss it? Thanks for doing it. That was awesome. That was very inspiring. And, you know, I love your message. And proud to give you a mic and hopefully have a few new people tune in to your frequency, dude. Absolutely. Cool. Thank you. So if people want to find out more about what Travis is doing on Instagram and on Twitter,

you're tbrewer, B-R-E-W-E-R 314, right? Or I have a website, just Travis. Travis jbrewer.me. Or.com. .com, okay. And pyelifestyle.com. Yeah, you can find everything on travisjbrewer.com. And also, if you just Google him, there's some pretty rad videos and

stuff like that of him doing some crazy stuff. You gotta check out this birdhouse. And we love it because pie lifestyle rhymes with jai lifestyle. That's right. I know. Alright. Awesome, man. It's cool. You're doing great stuff. Thank you. Yeah, cool. So thanks a lot, man.

Let's go eat now. Yeah, let's do it. That sounds great. Alright, cool. Peace. a lot, man. Let's go eat now. Yeah, let's do it. All right? That sounds great. All right, cool. Peace. Much love. Plants. Namaste. All right, people. That's our show this week.

Hope you enjoyed it. Hope you dug Travis. He was awesome. I'm definitely inspired to take my meditation game to the next level and also delve a little bit more into the functional body strength stuff. I think I'm definitely going to go down to Muscle Beach on Sunday afternoon and watch these guys do their stuff. Maybe I'll make a little video or something like that. I can't wait to see these guys in action. If you're new to the show, you can find me on social media at all the typical places.

On Twitter, I'm at Rich Roll. Same thing on Instagram, R-I-C-H-R-O-L-L. On Facebook, it's forward slash Rich Roll Fans. And follow me there. Find me there. We'll be coming back next week with another great episode. In the meantime, get out there. Get it done. Get healthy.

Get fit. Eat good foods. Feel great. That's my goal for you. So we'll check in with you next week. Until then, be good. Peace. Plants.