The Right Time with Bomani Jones - 49ers beat Seahawks, Commanders absurd tie, Mike Ditka's legacy, Texans massive trade | 10.12

Episode Date: October 12, 2026

Bomani Jones reacts to a chaotic NFL Week 5, including the San Francisco 49ers' wild victory over the Seattle Seahawks, the Philadelphia Eagles' heartbreaking loss to the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Washington Commanders' unbelievable late-game clock management, and another classic Atlanta Falcons collapse against the Baltimore Ravens. Download the PrizePicks app today and use code BOMANI to get $150 instantly in Lineups if you win your first $5 Lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/BOMANI Bomani also discusses Brock Purdy, Sam Darnold, Jalen Hurts, Jameis Winston, Jayden Daniels, and the mounting pressure on the winless Los Angeles Chargers.  Later, Bomani pays tribute to Mike Ditka, reflecting on the legendary Chicago Bears coach's impact on football, television, and American sports culture. Plus, Marvin Harrison Jr. gets traded to the Houston Texans, reuniting with C.J. Stroud.   Get same-day business funding up to $500,000 with a quick 3-minute application and no personal credit impact ($12B+ funded) ➡️ https://cardiff.co/TRTSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And somebody got traded. whatever his name is. But anyway, Seattle and San Francisco, I've been, you know, every week I've gotten on this show and told you about

I've not watched San Francisco actually play. Well, I watched them play this week, okay? I did. And, uh, what a weird game. I guess that's the real theme

from the whole weekend. It's kind of like, low-key, every game was weird. Right. Like, if the game was normal, I didn't see it.

And I did, you know, I did my little flip around, I had the games I locked in on whatever. I did not, see a great deal of normalcy. Ryan, I asked you before to show how many points off of turnovers there were in this game. And I want to be clear that the final score was 32 to 29, so that is 61 points. How many of them were off of turnovers? I'm not sure. You tell me.

38. Yeah, this is a real like a Loki cloud car game, right? One of the things that was discussed coming into it was that apparently Mike McDonald was the Brock Purdy kryptonite. But the truth is, if he's the Brock Purdy kryptonite, I don't think people want to come to terms of what they're really saying, which is, it's the Kyle Shadahan kryptonite.

And for much of this game, that is exactly what it looked like. It looked like dropping back, nobody was open, dudes coming to get you, right? Like, they had something figured out in that regard. On the other side was saying Donald. Now, again, I understand why so many people refuse or they don't understand. They feel like I refuse to give Darnel credit for what he'd done better in the fact that they won a Super Bowl.

And I am not going to give him credit because they won a Super Bowl. You understand what I'm saying? Like you heard that sentence. Him, they. It's, it's different. It's different. Okay. He was not good.

in this game. And you looked at it, and I was left with the thought, like it was a macro interesting thing about the NFL, which is the possibility that they are the two best teams in the NFL,

which is on the board. Both, obviously, a clearly limited by the quarterbacks that they have. Now, that does not mean limited to the point that you can't win a Super Bowl, but limited.

Nonetheless, that be a sad, Ryan, remember I always say about Brock Purdy, you may think he's a game manager. He obviously doesn't think of himself as a game manager. He thinks of himself as the guy that in the fourth quarter of this game that could go down there and win it for you. That's what he sees.

That is what he did. All right, but before we get too far, Mike Evans, Trayvon Dix, hysterical interaction. Dude, Mike Evans, a man about whom I have hot takes that I will not offer right now. I'll tell you later. I don't want to do it right now. I don't want to do it right now, but it's going to come up at some point.

By the way, him and Keenan Allen, those two dudes look like balding brothers. They still holding all. He got, he on his George Jefferson, Calchocular shit up there in the front. You seen it? Not for me. Okay, that's fine. That's right. Okay.

But anyway, if you did not see this, Mike Evans was talking back to Trayvon Diggs, and he said after the game, he really didn't know who he was. And so he grabbed him by the shoulder, turned him around to see his name on his back, so he would know who he was talking. to Trayvon Diggs, a former old pro. I can't imagine how offended and how humbling that was.

Who are you anyway? Like, damn, you know, had a spark when you started, but now you're just garbage. Damn, that was tough. People, of course, compared it to the great change snatching incident. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I would be remiss if I did not. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

That's not, that's not the, that's not the same thing. at all. Like this was highly disrespectful, but he didn't like rip his shirt off of him to look at his name. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Come on, guys. They let's, let's, some things are sacred. You understand what I'm saying? Something. Mike Evans and I keep to leave are not the same person. Although Mike Evans is from Galveston. Be careful. Yeah, by the way, shout out to Brandon Cooks, aka the Immaculate Grid, All-Star. I don't know how many of you guys play Immaculate Grid. Ryan, you played Immaculate Grid. Every once in a while. All right. So people who don't know how how the maculate grid works. A magnet grid,

the most simple rendering of it is you get a three by three matrix. And on each axis, it'll be three different things. So it'll be three teams on the vertical axis, three teams on the horizontal axis. So say that the first one is the Rams and the second one is the Patriots. They want a player that played for both the Rams and the Patriots. I said that because Brandon Cooks. So let's say that it gave you the Rams and then it went down to the Saints. Who could you put in the square, right?

Brandon Cooks. All right. Now, if it gave you the Rams and you took it down one more and you were then looking at the Texans, Brandon Cooks. Right. He is an Immaculate Grid All-Star. This dude is always on a different team. He's always good enough to take on, but not good enough that anybody actually wants to keep him.

He is now on team. one, two, three, four, five, six, seven. 2010 draft? 2014. Oh, wow. So he's, so he's only been in the league. Oh, yeah, it's just. Well, I mean, this is year 13.

Year 13, okay. Year 13, but this is seven teams. He's like, you know what he? I give what he's doing. Why do jersey swaps when you can just get all the jerseys yourselves? His base, his basement just wall to wall, just all to. of different stuff down there, right? And he's done some repeat, you know, seven teams, and he's on that Josh Johnson.

He's been on a couple teams twice. Well, no, no. The only one he's been on twice is yours. Yes. He went back to the Saints, but he's also a guy was on the Patriots when they lost the Super Bowl and then went to the Rams, and he was on there when they lost the Super Bowl to the Patriots, right? Like, he, he dabbles in some of that.

Anyway, there he is now playing for the San Francisco 49ers, and they got that done. I am, I don't feel like you come out of that game. If you're San Francisco, you feel good because it's a game that didn't really feel like you were going to win it, but you managed to win it. I did not come out of that feeling like, wow, these are really good teams. I felt like these are teams that have like really good characteristics. I mean, because they, hey man, them dudes is carrying. Lumber. There was a lumber being wielded.

Did you see they hit that Mustafa put on buddy in the second half? Oh, yeah. I told you, but most, um, uh, No, I'm not going to say that right now. Just, just, just, just that dude, that dude wields violence. Yes. That is the way to put that out there. But I looked at that and like, oh, these are teams somebody can get.

Seattle, this is the second game that they've lost in part because it was the same darnal situation. Like, I mean, that's a lot of turnovers for either side to have for us to be talking about a team that we like really, really feel good about. That being said, oh, and by the way, dude, I forget that Seattle probably wins that if Jackson Smith and Jigba doesn't drop that pass. Can't blame that one on Sam Darnel. It was right there. Had the opportunity. That's where you get the game right there.

Didn't make it happen. And then Cooper Cup almost got that first down, but you don't really want same to throw that ball short of the sticks like that under that circumstance, dude? No, no, no, that was, I'll tell you this. though, it was an entertaining game, though, and while there were mistakes, I didn't feel like, it didn't feel like cuckoo for cocoa puffs. Every other game felt cuckoo for cocoa puffs, just about. Wow, before we get too far in this, I do want to say, shout out to America's lines,

America's team to Detroit Lions for playing a little bit of defense in that game. Great offense through the first five weeks. And then I know it's Arizona, but shit, I didn't feel like last. week they could stop to Arizona Wildcats. So watching them get it done against the Arizona Cardinals, kudos, right? We got to praise them with the same tone. Y'all used disrespect and poison and destroy

my brothers. Should we go on chronological order, Ryan? Like, should we start with in the morning? It was a hilarious day from 9.30 to 11.30 p.m. So, yo, the Eagles. The thing about the Eagles and the Jaguars was

the Eagles put up a hell of an effort. I don't how good of a performance that they put up. Did Jalen Hertz play well? Yeah, but what do you expect? You're down Barclay, you're down Lane Johnson, although I guess we can't say that anymore because he's never coming back home.

Down Devante Smith, you're playing in London, all of those things, and they held it together. Jalen Carter decided he was just going to be a monster, right? Jailen Carter, at least in the face, has all the looks of what Dominique Foxworth says about defensive linemen, right? Offensive linemen are in it because they love their friends. Defensive linemen are in it because they love their jobs. They love the opportunity that they had been given to wreak mayhem.

And that dude was flat out make him. The Eagles got down there, kicked a field goal with eight seconds left to win it. This is after the Jaguars had missed that extra point. And the Jaguars had all these times that they couldn't just go for kicks because they were down a long snapper. And they had a dude. That dude they had long snapping. He ain't looked like he'd ever long snapped.

I'll also say this. You look like he was 55 years old. I can't remember his name. I think they said he went to Ohio State. That was an old-looking dude. But anyway, there was never a world in which I imagined that the Jaguars would get that kickoff with eight seconds left and run it for seven seconds and get a 50-something-yard field goal.

I can't imagine how much that hurt you, Eagles fans. Because you were about to have one of those we held the season together kind of wins. This one, you can't even. I don't even know who there is for you to really be mad at, right? You just lost. That was it. You just lost. Seriani was about to look like a genius for not flying over there until Friday.

Like, that's one of those that's like, oh, that's why you're the coach. Because despite everything going wrong around you, you guys held it together under these circumstances. Way to go, fellas. Nope. Lost. Lost. That's it. But somehow I feel like they feel better about losing than the command.

Andos feel about not losing, certainly not winning. That felt like a loss. Oh, my goodness. All right. So first of all, let's talk about this with the Giants end of it. James Winston was good in the second half of that game. In the rain, right, brought this back, got to where they needed to. It was a scaddle that blew the game with the fumble at the end.

But James Winston is your starter for the rest of the year. And I will point out, in fairness to him. This is the first time that he's going to have gotten this much regular action. Since 2019, we have seen guys like Gino Smith, for example, go from being what most of us thought was terrible to take in about a seven-year break and coming back and being an NFL quarterback. We saw James in his first run be a better quarterback than we ever saw Gino Smith be in his first run. It is possible that James gets this together and he is great and it's still going to be the James

experience. But, you know, this could turn. out a little better than I had given it credit for being, and everybody needs to understand. If J.J. McCarthy was capable of being a starting quarterback, you don't get them for a fifth round pick. That just doesn't happen, right? James is going to be the guy. They had it. The end of that game, however, for Washington, it is currently 10-12 Eastern Daylight Time as we are recording this. And I can't believe nobody's gotten fired yet. I just looked. I just double-checked. I was literally walking it up to make sure.

I can't. Like, I, I, I, I don't even, I don't know if I could appropriately describe to you what have for Washington, but the long of the short is they ran one play in 50 something seconds, a play that they did not have to run. And the only purpose to play ultimately served was making it impossible to run another play, which needed to be the field goal to go ahead and win that game after they had gotten down the field. it was one of the most brain dead endings where it is not often that something is truly a collective failure.

Offensive coordinator shouldn't have called another play. Head coach should have overruled the offensive coordinator. Quarterback should have overruled all of them. Like I remember once when Vic played for the Falcons, it was a thing once that he got into a press conference. They asked what he did on some play and he said he, what did we do? he said overcome coaching. And people were like, yo, you shouldn't talk about the coach like that,

but it turned out that is when the young Jim Mora was the coach. And that was something they told them is that sometimes you're going to have to overcome coaching. Sometimes the coach is going to make some mistake and you're going to have to be the one to overcome it, which not incorrect. Jayton Daniels had to overcome coaching right there.

And like I was watching on TV before we get out of here, my buddy Foxworth is talking about, you know, he's a third year player. I think Foxworth is a little more on my team than this than other people who are mentioned he's a third year player. Jane Dano's is a third year player, but he's not a three-year-old. Right? It's not the third year he's played football in total.

He can count. You know this is not. Like, this isn't. The offensive coordinator can talk to Jayden. And they were. They all play. They were just out there just, I don't know what they were doing. Just shooting the shit, what they were talking about in the headset, listen to music.

I have absolutely no idea what happened. But they, I can't imagine how bad that tie felt, right? under the heading of things people used to say but probably wouldn't say, but I'm going to say while making a reference to what somebody else said. One time, this is back when ties were prominent in college football before they had overtime. And I think Michigan had a year where they went 8-0 and 3. They went undefeated, but they had three ties. And I forget who they had tied in that game.

And Lee Corso got on the bike and said, hey, they say the tie. like kissing your sister, but losers like kissing your brother. I don't think that Washington sees the difference now. I think they view it all the same way, which by the way is the way that we should in a non-heteronormative world, I think. But yeah, no, no, no, no. That was that was a clown car. Clown car.

I feel like I'm missing another clown car game. No, no, no. I think that's all. I mean, the Titans, do they count? Cleveland finally lost the, that was looking kind of clown car toward the end in that game. And then of course, there is

the most classic vintage clown car of them all, the Atlanta Falcons. Oh, speaking of people getting fired, is anybody with the Chargers is going to get fired today? Like, I'm trying to, like, once you get to Owen, like, I was certain that Todd Bowles

was going to get fired if they lost that game on Thursday night in Tampa, and they did not, right? Oh, and five, somebody's got to go. No, right? I don't mean, I don't know if it's my Daniels. I don't know if it's horrible. Generally speaking, somebody has to go

because the Broncos changed play callers and it looked pretty much the same. At least I can tell from statistically speaking, Bow Nicks look mad familiar. Like the problem does not seem to be who's calling the play. Problem seems to be who the guys are that are on the field and the Chargers still lost. Still lost that game.

Now, you're sitting at 0.15. There's no side that's going to get better. I don't know how far this necessarily has to go. But normally somebody gets fired under these circumstances. Anyway, back to that black and red clown car that is the Atlanta Falcons. I was texting with our good buddy, Sean, you during the game. And for those of you who remember our buddy Sean, Sean is a Falcons fan for reasons I don't quite understand. That's hilarious.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't remember. He gave me an explanation for why. I just can't remember it right now. So Sean texts me and says, I know I should. but the Falcons are so fun this season and I'm hopeful. Ryan, I replied to him, I've been here trying to figure out how they're going to lose this game.

This game is a game at home against the Baltimore Ravens with a backup quarterback. I've been trying to figure out how they're going to lose this game. And then at 1139, I get the text from Shaw that says, they're doing it. And how did they do it, Ryan, quite honestly, the old-fashioned way? Yes. It just happened. It just happened.

They just let Snoop Huntley beat them. Now, I mean, I'll say this, the value of a good backup quarterback. Not necessarily a starting caliber guy, but a guy that could come in and win a game for you, perhaps, especially if you're playing against the Falcons. Cape men, march down the field on him. And then when it was time to come back the other way, Michael Pennix gets hurt.

They got to bring two-ed for the overtime. Huntley marches down the field on him, again and then two a with one of them to a classic to a tug of our lower interception which is to say i know exactly where i'm going with this ball before the snap and going right there except right there is a dude that played for the other team right there right there and you know what right i'm almost prepared to say despite that since the saints are one and four i know how much you guys love to lose games to minnesota well no you had to You guys, one of the biggest wins in your history was against Minnesota, too.

Sure was. That's right. With Brett Farve through that ridiculous interception. Has it been the same sense. That was in January of 2010. Boy, the Saints players seemed like they were extra motivated in that game. Almost like there was like an center structure in place that made them really want to go out there and, you know, lay the habit of Brett Far. What about?

What are you? Right. Oh, it was a big game. It was the NFC championship game. Yeah, it was important game. That's all it was. You're right. But the Foxx can still win that division.

And Sean is right, they are fun. They are. They are. But Tua, oh, boy. Two ahead. Two had that one good game in the Georgia Doby, January of 2018. And it's been downhill ever since. Okay.

I want to start by saying rest in peace to Mike Dicca. I have spent. I guess Frye was at first. Friday the Dicca passed? Friday or Thursday. I have spent way more time than I expected since then thinking about like Mike Dicca and what it is that I would or might say about Mike Dicca on this show. And something really fascinating hit me in most of the discussion that I've seen about Dicca. the most I've seen online, the bits that I've seen on television, by and large.

You know the part that I feel like we haven't really talked about that much? Football. And the reason I think that's interesting is because there's an irony to the magnitude of Mike Dick's fame and why he matters so much. and that is that he absolutely 100% presents or presented as a man who placed substance before image. But that was the image itself. And we, even in this moment, have not discussed the substance of Mike Dicka nearly as much. okay but the image was an image of substance that's not to say he wasn't a man of substance i'm not

questioning what kind of man he was i'm just talking about us and what the importance is that dicka has overwhelmingly as a figure of sport and also of pop culture and of media okay so let's start with football as the world got to know my dick in the first place and something i think a lot of people especially if they're younger, probably aren't thinking about Dicca. Mike Dicca was the first tight end to be voted into the pro football Hall of Fame. He was not simply a good player. He is a legitimately revolutionary figure in the evolution of professional football. He is the first great receiving tight in, right?

Like he's almost like wide receiver slash tight in for a lot of people. He saw some interview we talked about. something like 15 catches his senior year in college and had 58 his first year in the NFL. Like Mike Dicka, 1961 is a thing in the annals of professional football, right? Moving toward the tight ends that you see now when you think about the Travis Kelsey's or whatever, the beginning of that really is Mike Dick. It's like Mike Dicka and it is John Mackie for the Colts. But like, Dick is a significant part of what we're talking about here.

Okay. But that's not why people really think of and remember Dicka. We think of Remember Dicka as a football coach and as a legendary football coach. But this is what's interesting about that for me. In the 80s, we'll start it for this, from 1981 through 1988, there were four teams from 1981 through 1988, there were four teams from the NFC who went to, or take it to 1990, honestly, but there were four teams in the NFC who went to the Super Bowl.

There were three coaches who are Hall of Famers, and there were three coaches who won multiple Super Bowls in that run. And then there was Mike Dicca. He was the other one. Now, that being said, the Bears had a run. 85 to 88 where the Bears had the best winning percentage over four seasons of any team in the history of the NFL. The 1985 Bears are a canonical team in the history of the NFL. But what is interesting about that, that team is defined by its defense, which is Buddy Ryan's defense.

Dick is the offense guy. like Dica, Ryan, you like this. Dick is a lot like Les Miles in two senses, right? One, Les Miles is an offense guy that felt like a defense guy. Definitely. And number two, say what you want about Les Miles. You knew what the personality of a less Miles team was going to be. Yes.

Right? Like as a face of franchise guy or a face of the operation, you know, as a man on the marquee, right, chef boyardee, whichever one. and you want to throw out there. Les Miles is excellent at that part. Mike Dickens is the same thing for the Bears, but if you were to ask the defining characteristics of that run or those teams, football-wise,

Dickens got like a CEO type of coach. Like he was the special teams guy when he was with the Cowboys. Like there's also a certain irony to Dicka in that we think of him as Bears guy, but his greatest coaching influence is probably Tom Landry. Right. Because that's the guy whose staff, that he played under.

We think of Dicka as a Chicago guy. Dick is not from Chicago. Dick is actually from Pittsburgh. But the way I always talk about with James Hardin, and James Hardin his whole life thought he was an L.A. dude. And then he got to Houston.

It was like, shit. This fits me like a glove. For sure. That's Mike Dicker, right? And I think Dick is people are from Ukraine, but like an Eastern European in the center of Eastern European life

in the United States and at a time where because cities and things were a bit more siloed off, the personality of each individual city, like, at least I find, you tell me I'm wrong, if I'm wrong, because I don't consume this stuff nearly as much. But like, whether it be TV or movies or all of these things,

cities were characters in the previous time in a way that I don't feel like they are now. Right, right? Like every Woody Island movie is about New York, for example, like a character in that sense. But there was a picture and a portrait or an idea of what Chicago was. And I push back a little bit

when people talk about Dicka being so representative of Chicago because, hey, all those black people. However, there is a very particular Chicago element that Dicka himself became the face of, like the Saturday Night Live sketches with the Thab Bears and that like that whole accent,

all that stuff is like very definitively Chicago and the idea that Dicka is their hero, Dicka gets their, Dick is one of them. And Dicka just presents this. is what, like I always say, the reason sports are so popular, man, sports are a celebration of masculinity within a society. And say what you want about Dicca, Dicka was giving you man, right? Like, this is what a man is. And at that time, this is what a football coach felt like. Dick is the embodiment of that, but it's so interesting because the guys of that era that were more

successful, they weren't giving you that. No. Parcells did to a degree. But even with Parcells that we could point to like contributions, like football philosophies that Bill Parcells has we can point to. That's not what Dicka gave you. What Dicka was giving everybody was vibes, right? Dicka felt like for the second largest city in America, though maybe it was third by that time, he felt like the coach of the high school team. And I mean that in a positive way, right? Like the guy that represented the town and like, you know, you can just imagine him pulling up and everybody, hey, hey, Hey, coach, like all of those things, right? Like a tie back to the time, he always taught, he called Coach Hallis.

He called George Hallis, Coach Hallis. He called Tom Landry, Coach Landry, right? Like that era of the way that we looked at coaches and the way that we saw people, he is a throwback to that ready made for the era of television. And it reminds me of what is Mike Dicka's greatest gift. And the biggest reason that we talk about him, which is what he projected, was sincerity and the idea of being a genuine person. And he did that while pulling off a balance that very few people ever do, which is he is a man who clearly loved cameras and microphones,

but never seemed desperate or thirsty for them. You don't spend that much time on TV, whether it be as the coach and do impressive. availability and stuff, doing the Mike Dicka show in Chicago, right? Now, part of that also, to be fair, was those guys who played back in the day, they take every check you put in front of them because they did not make that much money at that time, right? They believe in getting that money after they had that chance. But after Dicka left and he had all that money, Dick was coming and doing ESPN and NBC and all these shows and everything else. Movies, TV. All and commercials. Bill Walsh, those guys I just,

listed for you. Bill Walsh wasn't doing commercials. Joe Gibbs wasn't doing commercials. Don Shula wasn't out there doing a gang of commercials. Not like Dicka and what were Dickens commercials? Rustolium. You know, like, you know, that tough guy stuff. That man, and he's really good at it. Okay. Had it had a clear and distinct look. War things that other people wanted to wear. Like when people make that argument about nobody was dressing up like the other coaches, but they dressed up like Dicka? Like, Dick is like John Madden in the sense that he had a gift for the television thing,

while never seeming like he clamored for the camera. But when the camera got there, he was always there and ready for it. And that's the reason that Mike Dicka is an enduring figure for us who grew up in that time. But it's ironically not really about football. He's a Hall of Fame player. Wasn't a Hall of Fame coach. But nobody's going to, he's not going to get in. Now, you can make an argument.

Why is Bill Cowher a Hall of Fame coach and Mike Dicca is not? That to me is more of a question about Bill Cower than it is about Mike Dicca. It will lead to an awkward discussion about Mike Tomlin down the line. But he's not. I don't think anybody would get up. I mean, Dicke got this far. Nobody sees him as that. But he felt like a football coach.

He looked like a football coach. He sounded like a football coach. And you basically believed that he meant every word that he said. That's what it was about. The image and the presentation and the projection of substance. But in some ways that more so than the actual substance. Again, not that he wasn't a man of substance, but the football resume, not quite as substantial as you would think,

given what we talk about. Just about every coach that we talk about on a canonical level has a better resume. And Mike Dicca does. None of this is shade to Mike Dicca. I want to be very, very clear, right? None of this is any measure of like, I'm saying he's overrated anything like.

No, no, no, no. I'm just pointing out that honestly, deep down when it comes to the way that we talk about coaches, the things that we care about are not the football things themselves. It's kind of the elevated role that a coach plays in a society, right? As a figure and a person that you are here to respect. Dica embodied that part. And it makes you look around and like the dudes that we got that of coaches now,

these football genius types, I'm sure that's great for business, but it's not as great for the product, to be perfectly honest. Like Sean McVeigh, Sean Bavis been doing that job. Now I think this is his 10th year. He's been to two Super Bowls. Great chance he ends up in the Hall of Fame.

We all think about what a great coach. None of us give a damn about him. Not any of us do. Right. Right and I were thinking about something, a series that we might do. And I was thinking about this with the 1980s, that the 80s were such a big thing for the NFL

because, yeah, you had the 70s with the Cowboys and the Steelers. You know, your teams are the 70s, Cowboys, the Steelers, the Daughters. the Vikings, right? These are teams that all went to three or more Super Bowls, had a dynastic sort of feel, you know, through that run and everything else. What the 80s gave the NFL was very good to great teams

with very important figures in New York, Washington, Chicago, both Los Angeles teams mattered at that point. Through the middle of the 80s, the Cowboys still mattered. You still had Don Shula in Miami, but you had big markets with teams that mattered a lot. Like the heyday of the NFC East.

Ryan, like I realized that's where our age difference comes in. The NFC East was the SEC of the NFL when I was growing up. The NFC itself was its own, like, dominant world. The AFC had the quarterbacks. The NFC had the teams. But like I was talking to golf about this. you know, there's a lot of people in Chicago, including guys on these teams that felt like they should have won more Super Bowls

than the one they won. Except think about this. 85, the Bears won. 86, the Giants won. 87, Washington won. 88, the 49ers won. Those are all, like, dynastic feeling the Giants a little bit less. But Washington won three Super Bowls between 82 and 91.

The 49ers won four Super Bowls in the 80s, right? The Bears, they just got to won, but all. these 14s I'm talking about playing the same conference. So like saying that Dick only won one Super Bowl isn't an insult. It's just that the resume doesn't stack up. But in terms of your life and you as a fan of watching this, who matters more? Bill Walsh or Mike Dicca?

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Okay, so for those of you who don't know, you know who he's talking about, Marison. So young Marison will now go to the Texas. I am shocked that the Cardinals were able to get, what was it, a two and a five? I think it was a two and a six for him and a seventh. Yeah, I could not believe that they could get a two for him. He has been, so back in the day, disappointed. Receivers was just kind of like another day at the office in the draft. It happened all the time. The growth of the learning curve for receivers used to be so much steeper. Now they do a much better

job of getting guys who could come in and play. And this guy being the one who can't has been shocking of all those Ohio State receivers prior to Jeremiah Smith, most of us would have argued that the best one was this dude. And he has been bad. Now you also notice, Ryan, I don't know if you're seeing this. It's been a bit of like warring information. coming out about this one where the receiver side is like, man, he went in there and asked him to get him a machine to help him practice catching and they wouldn't spend the $50,000 on it. And I don't know why that's why he's been sorry, but okay.

You show me the graphic of the top five picks that have been drafted, have been traded in the first three years. none of them really turned out to be good after the fact. I think the closest ones were like Joe Washington, but that was a trade and like a contract dispute, not like this. It's nothing recent. Yeah, if a team is willing to give up on you at this point,

the likelihood that you're good is not that high. That being said, CJ Strout has been much better than he was when we saw him to close out the year last year. he was not very good the first game of the year but he's I mean numbers all seem to indicate he's been all right as this year has gone um Nico Collins has been hurt for much of this year but I've never been wild about their receivers I feel like adding no I'm saying to this receiver room is kind of saying both to the receiver and the quarterback all right fellows no excuses you know like

I would be shocked if Stroud did not have a level of involvement in them making this move. Like you're just getting this guy from college. Who knows maybe they hate each other. But I mean, I find it unlikely that they would do this without having some serious conversation with the quarterback. And I would also imagine that the receiver would probably look at it as a good thing to go play with this guy that he used to go with. But what we're saying is, okay, used to go with it sounded different than I meant for it to. You know. But anyway, hey man, 18, going to have to go get to ball

and seven going to have to get it to him. Like, I think, I mean, I really think it comes down to this. Because the Texans are now one and four. The likelihood of them going to the playoffs is close to non-existent. Yeah. Hold on. Let's get a look, though. Let's get a look here.

Okay. They get the Jaguars at home, which I think is a winnable game. I mean, I just saw it with the Jaguars. What it looked like with the Jaguars? It's last game. Oh, that's in London. Oh, you're right, 930 a.m. You're right.

This company, and they're going on to the buy week. The Giants, winnable, Chargers, winnable, Browns, winnable, Colts, winnable. Hey! And you still probably get the Titans again? Well, the Titans are the last game of the year. Right.

It's Ravens, Yeah, Steelers, commandos, Jaguars again, the Eagles who might have quit by then. The Packers and the Titans, there's room here. There's room here for them to scrape in and make something happen in a division where I don't think the cults are good. I know the Titans aren't good. And I am not, I can't believe the Jaguars won that game against the Eagles. And it's not in any way that makes you feel.

good about the Jaguars is all I'm saying. Maybe they think they can figure this out. I don't know. But if he's, if he, if he was as not good as he was before, I don't feel like he's not going to play with Tom Brady. There's a possibility he was the worst wide receiver in the NFL the last, this year and last year. And that's a wild thing to consider and a wild thing to say.

Hey, you ever like, I don't know how much this happens so much in the NFL. I imagine it happens a, imagine it happens a bit. But I know that for the college coaches, you know, it's not out of the realm of possibility that you might have to deal with their parents. You know what I'm saying? Like that time, they did he threw a weight at the strength coach, right? I don't know if that happened so much in the pros.

You think that, you know, sometimes dad's calling the pros, time around you imagine that i i bet it's happened before i bet we saw it happen so what would you do what would you do like if this this receiver of his dad like called up and just said he wanted to have a chat do i have caller id uh i mean i something tells me that he calls from a flip phone with an unidentified number on it i throw that out my car yeah yeah i mean just like but no no no because if you don't pick up the phone he's going to pull up. So what do you think? Like I imagine

that you take the call somewhere where everybody can see you. You know, maybe you take it, you meet them in the lobby at a Starbucks. Somewhere well lit. Everybody knows, you know, high trafficked. Yeah, yeah, and

and and, and, you know, stay on top of your paperwork. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, that's what you got to, you You got to make sure everything's lined up. You never know what can happen on a given point. Let's talk about something else. All right, Bo.

Let's get to our voicemails. Got some more on this topic. Hey, what's up, Bo? This is Bees from New Orleans. And I'm catching up on episodes. And I think I'm all caught up now. And in the previous Foxworth Thursday, y'all was talking about some wide receiver.

I didn't really catch his name. They didn't have any weaknesses. And y'all seem a little perplexed by that. And my question to y'all is, you're going to be the one to put that he got, weaknesses down on paper and have to deal with his daddy? Yeah, because I sure wouldn't. So that might be, that might be why they, they said he had the weaknesses. But we see it.

We see it. We saw what he did this Sunday. Anyway, y'all have a good one, both. See you. You know, when you put it in those terms, Maybe Maybe Don't you want to talk about something else

Oh we're We got one more on this topic Okay Hey Mo, it's Ron And watching this Houston Titans game And I got a question for you Who'd won in a fight

D'emico Ryan's or Robert Stalin Love what you guys do Oh that's a different discussion That's a Ooh, that's a, I'm not going to lie. I'd pay $75 to watch that one. Yes. And here's the thing.

Are we talking about a fight or a wrestling match? Because that sounds like a wrestling match. Or I guess they're too old for this, an Oklahoma drill. Oh, I guarantee you they don't think they're too old for an Oklahoma drill. Ooh, ooh, that's a good question. Wow. Let me tell you something. I can only imagine that.

Nick Sabins, greatest regret, is that he didn't take that Alabama job earlier so that he could coach Tomico Ryan's. I bet he would have loved Tamico Ryan. I love Tomiko Ryan so much. Love Tamiko Ryan. But Salah, dude, that's a rumble right there. How do we make this happen? How do we get, see, the problem is DiMigo too cool. He ain't going to say nothing to Salah like Liam said to Salah that one time.

That's not how to, ooh, those are two the obvious one seeds. Absolutely. For coaches, you wouldn't want to fight, correct? They are, it's kind of like when Greg O and they Kevin Durant were in the same draft. I'm not talking about how it turned out. I'm just talking about like that draft,

like it was a clear number one and a clear number two, Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin, right? It was a clear number one and a clear number two. I'm going to do a quick scan and see if there's anybody else. Mike Vrable, he's a little older though. Like, I don't know if he's still got the, And he's been humbled. Oh, yeah.

That's true. He's trying to get the dog out of him. Ooh, hold on. Forgot about Dan Campbell. That's a one seed. Yeah. That's a. I think those are our four ones.

Oh, no. Let me make sure we're not missing anybody else. Because we definitely, like we definitely have three. Vrabel, yeah, I think Vrabel's a tough one, but yeah, he's probably in there as one. seed. I'm going to tell you this now. I'm not betting against Jim Harbaugh. I'm not betting on them, but I'm not betting against them. That's a frisky three or four. No telling what it can happen. All right. Here's our next one. Bumani, Ryan, love what y'all do. First, along the lines of a popular topic, Desiree,

Ridney Katrina Three white women I have met In the last three years Who have black names Also wanted to ask a question A good friend of mine

Has taken to calling Caitlin Clark Jane Hardin As in A female version of James Hardin And points out Inefficiency In big games

Etcetera Wanted to get your take On whether we have a female version of Mr. Harden in the W. I love what you doing. Thanks for the show, for listening every week. All right, so first of all,

I don't think she's good enough to be James Harden as of yet, but you chancing the fates with that one right there. Number two, right? I don't know if you picked up on this, but I feel like, I think I told you about this,

that there's a study that was done once that says that basically once a neighborhood becomes 30% black, it will soon be 100% Like once it turns 30% black, it is officially become a black neighborhood and the white people high-tailed it up out of there. And when we did game theory, I had a line about basketball where I said basketball is like the name Tyrone. Once black people got a hold of it, white people ain't even wanted no more. Has that happened with the name Brittany?

Because he threw Britney out there as a black name. And I was like, how? Have we housed that one? Has that would been transferred over to our side? because there was a run, and I ain't going to lie. I kind of judged some of y'all for this, but there was a run where black people were really getting off, giving their kids these white people names,

like these clueless type names, right? Like you started getting, you know, well, the one I was about to throw out there, Riley, apparently you're still holding on to it, but I was going to say Riley is on the list. Yeah. You know, but I see you're standing your ground. Yeah, yeah, so, yeah, so.

Ryan just had a Riley, just so you understand. For sure. But, you know, so, but like that was out there. you get some bailies out there every now and then and we've been getting on to Brittany's. Like we'd be, you've been there, but I didn't,

I associate Britney as of the, the pinnacle of white names. I think of Brittany as, wasn't one of the girl Chipmucks of Brittany? I'll admit the Chipmucks. That's right. Yeah, I think, oh, wow, thanks for making me feel. I'm aware of the original chipmuch.

I know, I know, I know, the Chipettes. The Chipettes. That's what they were called. Yes. And yes. And I recall, my recollections. is that Brittany was like the snobbiest of them all. Like that, yeah, yeah, Britney.

That's right, it was Brittany, it was Jeanette, and it was Eleanor. That's right. I remember because Eleanor used to kick it with Theodore. This is interesting because Theodore was a different Roosevelt. Wow, we're just going all over the place. Anyway, if we got Brittany, all right, then it's ours. All right, here's our last one. Hey, Bo, how's it going?

This is Kyle coming right outside of one of you. your favorite cities, Youngstown, Ohio. I wanted to share a story with you. Just got done hearing your podcast with Joel, where you mentioned how Jerry Rice did not go to Mississippi City or Ole Miss. And it reminded me of a story my dad's old boss had where he was in the 80s at a trade show in Indiana. and these guys were trying to give away some tickets to a football game that day, and no one was taking the tickets, and he couldn't understand why.

And this isn't exactly the black-name white guy story, but this is the four white guys ended up taking the college football tickets to the first ever circle city classic, which was between Grambling State and Mississippi Valley. State. And they got there and looked around and were like, oh, are we at a place that we're not accustomed to? They didn't exactly know what to do, but then some Mississippi Valley State fan came over and said, you guys can't leave, you're going to miss World Man. And they're like, who is a World Man? And they explained to him that there's this guy on the team they call World Man

because the things that this guy does are out of this world. That guy would be one Jerry Rice, who they ended up staying for the game, which turned out to be a 4836 Mississippi Valley State win, where Jerry Rice had eight catches, 174 yards, and two touchdowns, including a 62-yard game-winning touchdown weight. He says to this day it's been the best game that he's ever, been to and that could possibly be because he is a brown season ticket holder but love the show and would also want to know if he interested in hearing a story about a guy whose legal

name is Alabama thanks I'm offended that you even thought you had to ask of course I want to know about a guy whose legal name is Alabama I want to know if that dude went out there and tailgate it right because let me tell you something this thing my daddy talks like this. My daddy worked at Mississippi Valley State for a little while. You know, my dad is from a little town called Old Dale, Louisiana. So, like, familiarity with the deep south is not beyond him. And he's like, hey, man, all these places are the same, but the Delta different. Like, getting your introduction to Negritude being pulling up on the Mississippi Valley State game is,

that's an interesting way to get accustomed. I want to hear, did he get his tailgate all? You know what I'm saying? That's how you know Jerry Rice is cold. That white man didn't even say nothing about the band. You know, he didn't even come out of there being like, oh my God. Dun-nut. Dun-na-na-na-nut.

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