The Right Time with Bomani Jones - A Special Foxworth Friday: Travis Hunter's True Value, Ashton Jeanty's Potential & NBA Foul-Grifting | 4.24

Episode Date: April 24, 2025

Bomani Jones is joined by Domonique Foxworth for a special Thursday edition of Foxworth Friday. On today’s episode, the guys start off by talking about why Bo is struggling with the Eastern Conference NBA playoff games (1:59) and why they want NBA players to call their own fouls (7:53). Next, Domonique talks about being at the Ja Morant 'air gun' game and why it's not wise for him to continue doing that celebration (22:36). Then, Bo and Domonique move onto the NFL Draft where they joke that Ashton Jeanty's best comp is a bowling ball (32:48) and why it's more valuable for Travis Hunter to play cornerback (37:54). The show rounds out with Domonique stating why this isn't a super talented draft. (49:40) . . . Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media: http://lnk.to/therighttime Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Support the Show: Discover faster, more reliable search with Perplexity today. Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at perplexity.com! https://pplx.ai/bomani-jones Download the DraftKings Pick Six app NOW and use code BOMANI. Better payouts. Bigger wins. Only with Pick6 from DraftKings. The Crown is yours. Go to zbiotics.com/BOMANI to learn more and get 15% off your first order when you use BOMANI at checkout. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It is Foxworth Thursday because it's really hard to tape a Friday show on Thursday when the draft is Thursday night. Dominic Fisworth, what's going on? I agree with you. I'm happy to be here. Ain't nothing going on. However, if there is a show that can be taped at any time and still be good, I believe it's us talking on Fridays. Because, like, I mean, we get to the sports.

We don't get to the sports. It's always fun now. No, but the problem is, man, if they came on on Friday and we wasn't talking about it, then they're looking at me crazy. You know what I'm saying? Because, like, I don't know if there's anything left for me and you to talk about wish of Dua Sanders. But that's going to be the story of the draft. And if he's still sitting around, wherever it is that he's sitting around, That, that, that's people going to want to talk about that.

They can go to the Dominique Foxworth show on Friday morning where that will be discussed, but we don't operate on that schedule. Yeah, I'm going to be up late that night and then early the next morning because I got to, I have to find out where your door goes. And you're right. You don't want to people disappointed when they show up expecting you talk about something. I mean, that's the basketball right now is making it real tough, making it real tough. Because you know what I'm not going to be able to do is talk about the West Coast game

on a Friday morning show. Man, these West Coast games are kicking my black ass. Get gracious. Like, I was so glad that I could tell early on Wednesday, on Tuesday night what was going to happen in that Minnesota, L.A. game. I just went ahead and checked out on that one. I saw a good bit of Kawai Leonard doing damage to the Nuggets, but I could not do the whole thing.

I do not. And what make it worse is maybe I need to just start taking early naps because the East ain't hitting on. That's it. That's the thing that's killing me. It's like the East ain't hitting on nothing. these okayc early okayc games is like put that late let me check out at the end of the first quarter put that one at 10 o'clock that ain't far enough west like we need to get all these good

teams on the east coast because yeah you're right there's no east coast games that i even the teams that are like good like i don't i don't have no ton of interest in watching cabs heat nicknicks pittons is doing it for me though like i admit that one that was going that was going that was going to turn out to be a thing because i think it's going to get real rough and tumble once they take that once they take that back to Detroit. And it is very interesting that every time the Pistons have a team that's good, they a little bit rumble tumble out here. Yeah, I mean, for the times, they're a lot of bit rough and tumble. Like, you know, like, Ray, um, measure for where we are in basketball, not too many people play basketball the way they do. And like, I like it. I know

that I'm supposed to be like, no, it's an ugly, aggressive form of basketball. But I know, I know the ethical nature of the way that Cunningham plays is something that people appreciate. But in watching these last games, like the, I guess I'm just old. Because the foul baiting is starting to drive me crazy, man. Well, with Jaylor Brusset. It's not just him, though.

Like, Jaylor Brusset is getting a lot of attention, but it's all of them. And I've never been the one to complain about players complaining. I just don't stop trying to trick us, man. Wasn't there a time when Adam Silver said we was going we was going to penalize people for tricking us? I do recall. I do recall. I will say this, though, when Jalen Brunson laid on the ground and did six for the six fouls,

when he ran that insurance fraud, he lost, he lost a lot, a lot, a lot of respect from your boy in that moment. Like, teacher, teacher, like, is you trying to beat Chris Paul, right? Is that, is that what you're going to see? Because you see what the basketball guy's done done to Chris Paul, they got his ass hurt every time he was that close to glory. Every single time he'd been there. You ain't never going to get to glory acting that way, young man. I understand that the point is to win and you want to create every single age possible. I don't want to hear that. But I don't want to hear that.

There's a norms that need to be upheld. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The point is to win. Everybody trying to win. Ain't everybody being a sucker. Like the idea, this is a fundamental thing when I work with Pablo that we had like a disagreement with that honestly kind of colored the way I looked at everything else. The idea that all that matters is if you're allowed to do it.

Yeah. No. No, no. that is such an unprincipled trying to get over sort of outlook where it's like, nah, man, we got to have something that we go stand on at some point. And if your whole game is just out here trying to trick, trying to, not even just trying to trick people, trying to trick people that you know are overworked. You know what I'm saying?

Like what they basically out this motherfucker doing is somebody start acting up in the store to get the attention of the dude at the register and then you steal. And it's like you're supposed to be working together to some degree, especially with the star players. I want to be able to trust you, man. The refs can't cover it all. We can't see everything. I want you, if your next snapback, I want to know that you got slapped in the face. I don't want, don't make me look like an asshole.

Why do you make me look dumb? Well, also, I'm waiting for the one guy because I ain't going to lie. I would feel like you did that super head snap back on me one time. and I didn't really do it to you. And the ref's got to stop falling for that because that don't really happen. Think about how many times you see somebody here snap back like that

and it was actually a foul, right? But you do that one time. If it's fake, don't you worry. Don't you worry. Next one going to be real. That's what somebody needs to do. Because let me tell you, ain't nothing meaner you can do

to somebody on a basketball court than catch him under a cheat. Make a chief clap. No, let me tell you something. One time, I went to grad school with my man, my man D. Nunn. And D. Nunn is super duper competitive at everything. Dude, it's not that tall. I am not that sort of person, and I'm rather tall. So we out here playing basketball, and I just don't care that much. You know what I'm saying? Like, I want to play basketball. I want

to play hard. I don't really care that much, but I got tired of something. And I just recall, it's the only time of my life I've ever done something like this. I gave him that. that up fake he went up and I intentionally brought my shoulder up under his chin. Going straight to the goal. I don't remember anything else. I just remember I was like, all right, I guess that's what we're going to do. That rule, like, there are some rules that they put out that are kind of crazy and you want to go away. The one that comes to my mind is like when an NFL tried to regulate the N-word on the field.

You remember that fiasco? But this particular, like, friends rule. Bring it back. I want, it don't even have to be in the game, post game texts. I just do something about it. Because it just,

I don't know. And then when we have reviews on top of it, it's like, you flopped. You slowed down the game. Like when Jalen Brunson was dragging, um, it was Assar Thompson's hand into his face.

And then they called a foul and our Assad Thompson, rightfully is like, no, review that shit. He grabbing me. Then they have to review it. And then they reward the dude who doing the fuckery. It just slow the game down and makes it annoying.

Don't get me started on the review part, but I'm wondering this, right? Is this in part a result of dudes not playing as much basketball on concrete as they used to, right? And so here's what I'm saying on that. We all know the world to call your own files. I think somebody could actually do an academic study on some of the equilibrium that take place in calling your own fouls, right? Because part of giving people foul calls is the expectation that you will receive your foul call. And so you wind up getting to a place like it is dictated, like when they call it both ways. Yeah.

The players kind of dictate that and it sort of makes it what it is, right? The other part of it is you don't really want to be out there looking like a sucker, okay? Now, there are guys like Magic Johnson, for example, where you just have to let him live where legendarily, no game with magic would ever end because all he does is call files. Right? Like, and call files and not respect foul calls. That was all he did.

But everything else, if you had to be around some people with a different ethic about this foul stuff, then maybe they wouldn't bring this with them onto the basketball court. Right. I mean, yeah, you do learn the ethics of sports at a young age, I think. you having the expectation that we are not only responsible for how well our team plays, but responsible for how well this game goes is something that I think is instill. And like we grew up playing basketball at the local elementary school basketball court

outside all damn summer long. And you develop relationships. And it's like, yeah, you get the foul. You argue them sometimes. It's fine. It's all part of the game. But, and sometimes you give them a foul. Sometimes they call their own foul.

but you understand like all right come on and then you just keep it moving i wonder how an NBA game i mean they do it all offseason right they play games without ref i wonder how if they had one NBA game where you don't call you where you have to call your own foul so bad i want it so bad i want it so bad i want it so bad i want to see i have been advocating for call your own files for so long like there was a time in tennis i know in college i think it may have been the case in the pros but they used to call their own call um in and out the game the game has such an ethic right and the expectation of honesty that you called your own stuff. I have wanted to see call your own files so bad because what's going to come in part with call your own files is that sort of grievous hard foul in return. And I want to see who is the guy with the audacity to be like, well, we're going to go to the screen and see if that was a flagrant one. Like, there's the outdoor call your own foul era of basketball that apparently is dead now for high level basketball players or for future high. high level basketball players.

Like, there was also an understanding that you was going to play through some shit. Yeah. Like, there was no such thing as a non-shooting foul. It's like calling back. That is the realest talk.

There is no such thing as a non-shooting foul. Yeah. If you get somebody, why are you trying to drop? So? Like, ain't nobody ever called a block charge.

Like, those are play-on situations. Can you imagine being out there calling somebody for a reach. What you reach here for? Now that's a foul. Check it up top. No, no, no. When the reach, it gets to be to go too far,

you can pick it up and be like ball up top. That is the one non-shooting foul. But I had not thought about that until you said it. There is a range of foul. Ain't no over the back. Right? That is not it. Yeah, you can't.

You're just understood. You're not supposed to do that. And if you happen to jump over somebody back and get the rebound, it's your rebound. You're not supposed to push people. Like, we just understand it. To your point about the reaching is that, you're right. If somebody reaches and, like, knock the ball and you stumble or something,

you just, like, hop up ball at the top. But I also feel like reaching is one of those, like, you regulate that with other behaviors. Yes. It's like, oh, you're going to reach like that? Oh, you're going to catch your shoulder. And then we're going to get the slapping on the other end, too. And then that kind of measures, like, it sorts itself out. Oh, man.

Call your own fouls weekend. Did you play pick up football like when you were growing up? Yeah, various forms. Yeah. Because I mean, there was, yeah, I got you various forms. You just throw it up. There was killed a man with the ball, which has a far less socially acceptable name in other places I came to find out as an adult.

And it's interesting because I grew up in Texas. Yeah. I didn't know that y'all was as bad as y'all was in these other places. But yeah, yeah, we play, you know, again, from Texas, you know, yes, I play as a pickup football. I never, there is, now that we're talking about this, is pass interference was another thing that just was never called. Like, we didn't call passive affairs, we didn't call a legal contact. It was like, go get that thing, and I'm going to try not to cheat. If I happen to bump you, you know it was inadvertent, play on.

I like this. Then after a point, you better, come on, man, damn. Right? Like, yeah, man, you know what it is. You know you ain't supposed to be doing that. That's absolutely it. Come on, man, damn. And then the person look at you, get your little nod.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Well, the other thing about call your own fouls is, like, different places. And I don't just mean places in terms of neighborhoods, though some of it is neighborhoods. Also different places in terms of country of ancestry, have an effect on what level of foul is going to be called at a given point in time in the games.

And yes, I am talking about Mexicans. They have just generally different attitude when it comes to physicality in all sports than our Anglo-Saxon influences in our society tend to have. And you out there, hoopah with some Mexicans, I don't even think they got a word for foul. And I will note, by the way, when I was in Barcelona, which is not in Mexico, and I know that the Spaniards and the Mexicans are not the same. I think I told you about this, but like the reef is set up, well, they got like reef for clubs, right? You got to go get a club. You get a membership.

They got all these tricks. Like you don't, the weed costs points. And each point is equal to a euro. But points are not euros. Therefore, they're not selling it, but you buy points, right? Like, they do all this stuff. Anyway, right outside was a basketball court. And I looked at who was playing.

And it was a bunch of Africans. And maybe those guys were from Spain. But it showed look like Mexicans to me. And it definitely looked like they were playing. playing according to Mexican rules. I don't know anything about playing basketball according to African rules, but I just don't think in Spanish.

They could have been Spaniards. It could have been very dark Spaniards, right? But I just don't think they got a word for foul in that whole language. It ain't come up not one time in my Spanish lessons. That is the, I mean, I guess that's, again, your Texas upbringing because, like, I don't ever remember playing basketball.

Like, my neighborhood was all black people and there was, like, one white person who couldn't afford to move out when we all moved in and he was cool and that was essentially it. Like we didn't have, like there were Hispanic people in our school, not a lot of them, but they didn't come at hoop. Like, we would laugh at them because they played soccer. That was back before we respected that.

Well, well, this is the other thing that in my experience of hooping with Mexicans was, in Texas at least. If you were going to be hooping with our Mexican brothers, you were joining their game, right? which comes with some risks. If you do not know who the people are, if you have not established anything in that world over there. But what I don't recommend you go over there doing

is calling no soft fouls. I mean, it doesn't be the case. Anytime you go anywhere and you knew, just shut up, man. Don't call no fouls. I think the style of ball that you're talking about is also considered jailhouse rules. Well, yeah, yeah.

Well, no, I was telling I'm not equating anything for them. I'm telling you a story about my own experience. It's like, I thought I was tough. I was a good football player, and I played basketball in a similar fashion. Like, I'm not calling no fouls. And whatever.

My uncle got home. And me and my brother, who with my uncle? He stunk at basketball. But, boy, that man was insulted. If we even looked at him, him for doing something wrong. And he was so hacky. He was just hacking everything.

He couldn't shoot, just foul. And we was like, come on. What you're talking about? Quit hacking. He would hit you. What'd you talking about? Man, check it up. Check it up.

The game took forever because he couldn't score, but we couldn't either. No, there's nothing like Hoopold with Harry Hackmaster. And it is very interesting how the term hack, that is slang, that he made it everywhere. When somebody says hack, they be the exact same thing no matter the location. I don't know if white people talk about hacking in that way, but when you talk about somebody hacking, a word that you don't really use otherwise, right? Only time you really use hacking is for some dude who plays defense with his hands.

And it's perfect. It's a perfect word. It's like maybe you will see it in a book about a long time ago when people had to hack down trees. he was hacking away. That's the only other time. I'm trying to imagine a situation, but if someone just said he was hacking, you automatically conjure basketball in your mind.

That's it. Oh, that's a foul. And not only is, and you know exactly how he way too close to you, right? Like the only way that you can play defense in that level, you ain't got the foot speed for this. The only way you can play defense this close is if you hack. That's all you can do.

And then when you call it, they're like, all right, then. Yeah, yeah, all right, cool. He said it was a foul. I mean, the more we talk about it, the more I realize how, like, truly ethical it is to be able to play basketball in those scenarios because you don't shoot free throws. So, like, there really is no incentive not to foul someone who's taking a shot.

It's like, I'm going to try to block this. There's a 10% chance I'm successful or I'll foul him. He's going to call it every time? Right. Now, foul calls are there in large. part for the same reason there are foul calls in organized basketball, which is to decrease the potential of fisticuffs. If we have some law, some order, some means of justice, then people will not feel the need to take the law into their own hands. But sometimes you got to. I'm sure you've

been at the court before when it escalated to point where it had to happen. Brother, let me tell you something. I was in the West Village, maybe a year or two ago. Oh, our West 4th Street by the courts. Because, you know, the court at the way, like, I think it's something if you're a concept of New York is only current New York, you can't think of. But like the legendary cage, the West 4th Street courts are right there in the West Village. It just don't seem like it no more because the people who used to live there don't live there anymore. So anyway, I forget why I was down there. But I'm down there one afternoon and I'm walking past the court and these two dudes, they get into it on the court. It was a game with some level of organization. Like there were jerseys. They weren't

like stitched on jerseys, but there were jerseys, right? And something happened and them two dudes was on the court and they had been banging and they looked at each other and they just looked at each other and then they walked out the door, like the cage door, right? They just walked out, they went on the sidewalk, they square it up, and they started to fight, right? And so there's a man there who's in some position of authority who sees them fighting, right? And then looks over and sees me.

It is like, oh shit, Bobani Jones. And so he walks over and he starts talking to me. And he's like, oh, man, they just got something to the effect of. they just got to work that out right fast. And then he's just talking to me and it's like, oh man, I know you lived in the city, right? Like we just having the conversation and the fight is happening. There's no real referee in. They just go out about it.

Then at some point they stopped and the basketball resumed. But what I will always remember is their decision to fight. They didn't even have to talk about it. It's not verbal, yeah. They were just like, okay, somewhere along the way it had been determined. mutually. This has gone on too far for me and it's gone on too far for you. But not in such a way that they felt the need to fight right away. No, no, no, no, no. They were able to take it outside. Nonverbal communication also. And they took it outside while they were already outside.

If you were just walking past and you see two dudes fighting on the street, you're like, this is a breakdown in society. No, it's the opposite. This. This is a, This is the highest level of societal function where people like, no, we are not going to do this here and mess this up for everyone. I understand that we have differences that need to be settled and cannot be settled right here. Let's step over here as to not interfere with any of them. Let's handle our business. Okay, we good. Business complete.

Let's go back into and continue we're doing it like that. I understand we don't want to fight, but that's half-ass beautiful, man. I will say this. I think that generally speaking, if you see two people fighting on the street, you are correct. It is a breakdown of society. But if I see two dudes fighting in the street and both of them have on jerseys and they are the opposite jerseys, I know exactly what is going on here and I'm not worried. Okay, they'll work this out. They'll take care of this amongst themselves. The level of them taking it off the court and that it was all nonverbal, like I'm being serious. It might sound like I'm being dramatic. That shit's just kind of beautiful to me.

That these two dudes looked at each other. They was like, all right, let's go take care of this and we'll be back. Well, there are also two levels of it for me personally that I appreciated. Number one, obviously that that gentleman who probably needed to be attending to that matter more closely was so excited to meet me, number one. But number two, I appreciated the fact that he knew I wouldn't go and trip at what I see, right? He didn't look at me like he needed to answer for what was happening. He was like, you know what it is. I thought he's going to tell you not to talk about it because that's, I was at Jama Rance game in Miami where he, right after he got fined and he started shooting more, or he got warned and then started shooting more.

And the first time he brought out his air guns, the people sitting behind me were like, don't talk about this on TV tomorrow. Then he did it again. And I was like, hey, guys, I think he wants me to talk about this on TV tomorrow. And his dad came up to me after the game And gave me a dab And his son hit the game winner His dad came up and gave me a dab

And I don't even I don't think the irony even landed on him Because he was hype about the game winner Because it was a cold ass game winner He said That boy I raised a killer I was eh I mean I get what you're saying

I was thinking it however The situation is not Does not call Well, as I said about John Morant two years ago, he is in a very interesting place where the criticism of Alan Iverson was that he was a thug and the actual criticism of John Morant is that he is not a thug. Like if we thought that John Morant was a real gangster out here, we would not have the same problems with his behavior. Because he is engaged in decidedly non-gangster behaviors when this stuff has come up, right? like fighting teenagers, running up on the kid at foot locker. Like these are anti-gangster behaviors.

That is our criticism of him. So, like, you raise the killer. Nah, you raise a basketball player, partner. And look, I'm not saying you should be ashamed of the fact that you did not raise a killer. We just need you to tell your boy to stop acting like some facsimile of one, even if that means pretending to shoot people on a basketball court. Is it a big deal? No.

Can your stupid ass do that? this double note. But I think his father meant it in the way that we used. I know how he meant it. I know how he meant it. And I'm saying the same way. No, player, you didn't. You need to be saying out loud I did not raise a killer.

I raised a fine young man. It's not the terminology that should be used. But so like behaving like a gangster and being a gangster. And I think with the word gangsters come to me, there's a whole bunch of different things. Because when you say behaving like a gangster, that connotes in my mind some level of slickness and sophistication. But also I think when you say gangster,

sometimes people just think of like, like thug. It's like he's just ruthless. He's been through some shit. But like I don't know that John Moran falls in either category. I mean, the allegations of John Morant, like, I mean as though he wishes to behave like someone who gets things done through threats and violence. That's what he has tried to give.

a lot of people. I don't think that's a wise play. It's not a wise play. I mean, I think we all know it's not a wise play. Well, not all of us. But if it feels like that's the thing about, if you feel like that's who you are, who are we to tell you that you're not?

Because I think some people... Whoa, whoa, whoa, hohohoho. That depends on who's we. Yeah. Okay, yeah, agreed. I'm saying we as in me and you. Me and you. Two decidedly not gangster individuals

who are not getting things done through threats of violence. So that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't know. Oh, who are we to tell him? Three words. Gay, recognized gay. Like, that's, that's, that, now, now the gangsters, game, have a game don't recognize game that they could, that they can pick up.

But I feel like, here's who we are, though, who you and I are. Decidedly non-gagst are, but what we are, we groaned up. Yeah. And we've been doing this long enough. It's been a while since someone fooling. me about whether or not they was a gangster. I mean, I think probably everybody growing up, you go through different phases

and you're trying to figure things out or whatever. And there was a very, so when I went to college, I came back and my closest friend had decided to become a gangster. He was no longer pretending. And I was hanging out with him. And I was like, all right, yeah, I'm tough too. No. It took one of them things clapping anywhere near me

to be like, what am I doing? You know the speech that we get, and I didn't grow up in the hood. Like, I had two parents. But he became the element, Dominique. He became the elephant? Immediately. To me, to me, to me, did.

Because I go to Kyle's, I come home, see my boys. Like, yeah, we cool. I can kick it with you. Oh, yeah, I can go there. I can do anything. And you know that speech that we give, that we used to give. We don't give it anymore because the players grow up

in this professionalized system and they already have a team around them. But that speech that we used to give to players where it's like, hey, sometimes you got to leave that behind. I didn't have to leave it behind because I was never in it. I was in it for three seconds. It's like, nah, bro.

Me and him just became recool a couple years ago. I mean, he had to do a couple things and mature. Oh, yeah. He did a sabbatical. Well, he got off, man. He got off on the technicality. Oh, yeah. Hold on.

When you say he got off, did he have to go do the sabbatical or, oh, okay. He didn't get to sabbatical at all. He didn't have to do the sabbatical. but, I mean, it didn't matter to me either way because he was a little too close to the life for me. And then you're like, it's like, you know, I don't know, you grow apart or whatever. And so since then, he's normal dude now,

got his stuff together, raising a couple of kids. I go get him a dab now. Good for help. Good for help. Coming up next, maybe we'll talk about some football. Who's to say? This episode is presented by Perplexity. Perplexity is an AI-powered answer engine

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pass account terms apply all right back on a foxworth thursday of dominique fosworth i just was scrolling as we were recording this and i saw a tweet from adam shepter that made me feel so well and it said buffalo bill pro bowl running back uh james cook did not report to the start of bills voluntary offseason program cook is heading to the final year of his rookie contract and we're like a new deal and i was so confused because my old ass was definitely thinking about his brother I was like, well, like, how dare, how dare he not report? Like, what are you talking about? Like, is he even on the team?

What is this? And then I was like, oh, it's not Dalvin is James. This makes a lot more sense. Yeah, I don't even think Dalvin on the roster. Like, I feel like he was bouncing around from roster to roster. He got on somebody squad late last year, didn't he? Might have been the Ravens. Or it was that two years ago where he jumped on the Ravens for a hot second.

But, I mean, this, the running back situation, man. It gets grimmer and grimmer. And I feel you, James. However, this draft is deep. We're running backs. Well, I am fascinated, though, that this draft is deep, and people are still talking about taking Genty in the top five. Yeah, I think we have this every year where there is some impacts of what's happening in the league

has an impact on the way that everyone else thinks. And this is probably the first time in a long time that it's had an impact. impact to provide more of the old school shit that we like is like the Eagles beat the dog shit out of everybody physically up front and ran the ball. And they also cheated the game in that we think we approach this game as if the only way to have big plays is deep passes. And deep passes are highly likely to fail. So you take a deep shout on first and 10, then you in second and 10 and your drive might already be over. The cool thing about having a player like Sequin who can break tackles and go to the crib, which Genties the same type of player,

because I think he led college football and broken tackles, is that you can hand them the ball on first down and you're either going to end up with a 50-yard touchdown or you're going to end up with second and six, which is like a cool, I mean, it's the high reward without the high risk, which I think is probably pretty attractive to teams who have good offensive lines. Like the Broncos would be a great place for him to like. I appreciate the fact that, like, bring back the bowling ball. He's like 5-8, like 215, 220, right? I do love that he was just like, hey, man,

it's tackle football, get the guy that's hard to tackle. That's what the game has been missing right there, what they call him a rolling ball of butcher knives. That's what the game needs. You are absolutely right. That's one of those game-plan breakers, whereas, like, we've been looking for him at quarterback, back where it's like, all right, our play stinks.

Don't matter. He's special. That's the same sort of thing. We ain't got to get sophisticated if the first two guys can't bring him down. And, oh, if we block those first two guys, we're looking at six. Like, that's a, as a coach, I can't imagine a better scenario where I ain't got to think. There's like 10 plays a game where I ain't got to think. I got to hand it to them and shit get better.

Call a dive on that ass. We ain't got to do nothing fancy. Get his bowling ball to the ball and see what happened. Man, it's embarrassing, too. Like, if you got a line that can move some furniture and then you throw this dude back there, who, get ahead of steam, second level. He's going up against guys that are not accustomed

to that level of physicality. Yeah, it ain't completely fair. And then you add to it that he can catch. Y'all need to be glad that America's team ain't pick until 28th. Because we can go get us another one. Have Jemir Gibbs and Genty at the same time, boy, my boys would be. Woo, boy, with them with them road graders they got up front.

So I've been having this conversation about drafting, about the Giants since they already have ends, also drafting Abdul, Carter. And my point is like, get good football players find a spot for him. It just hit me where the Lions would be the one team that doesn't need Genty, But if he falls to you, what we winged to you in this thing? What we doing? Whatever it takes. Whatever it takes.

Whatever it takes. We might not even throw the ball. I actually feel like I don't know how many weeks it will work, but if we just popped up on somebody with all misdirection, three talented running backs and a quarterback who could scoot, I think we'd be reading them keys on that answer to the second. I saw a clip from the 2007 Arkansas LSU game that showed. When they was out there, I think they was in the wing T or a single wing, one of those. But it's Darren McFadden taking the snap.

Oh, yeah. The dive is to Peyton Hillis and the pitch man is Felix Jones. And it'll be shocked to know that Peyton Hillis took it to the house untouched. With that with that daring proposition of what it is that you are supposed to do. No, I personally would love every minute of that scenario. I mean, I think it would work for at least a number of weeks. And if you had somebody who could actually throw also, like, the problem is I think they would sell out.

You have to be, your accuracy has to be so good in the NFL is that you would have to, teams would be comfortable with just playing zero coverage, which might blow that up. You need to find you some version of Mohamed Sunu. Mm-hmm. Where if he's out there and he gets the ball, this, not only can this be like thrown capably. He might be able to hit somebody on an out. Right? He might be able to throw it with some time. But you mentioned Abdul Carter at three. And so I think we're operating with this. Cam Ward's going

number one to the Titans. I think we have talked less about him as we have ever a quarterback at the top of the draft because the interesting stuff comes later. He look right. Like, am I being unfair? No. I mean, I think that it's easy to get excited about Cam Ward because he has some of the explosive athleticism and an explosive arm. And if you look at his history, going from an option offense in high school to a small school to Washington to Miami, that you're like, oh, this guy's on a rocket ship. And he hasn't been properly developed or been anywhere long enough to get good development. Like I think, and then he wins the he wins the Heisman. I think you could easily wrap your head around. He has a chance to be a top 10 quarterback in the league, which is all anybody really wants.

but I mean also he turns the ball over a lot like it's impossible to be able to project how all this stuff's going to work in part because it's hard to know what the player is going to be but football is so many variables man and if one is off it could kind of ruin your quarterback so we'll see oh have you decided where you want Travis Hunter to play yeah I think I moved around a little bit in my mind and by that I mean position yeah I think I think the poor dude is going to have to go to Cleveland Yeah, I think they need receivers, so he's probably going to end up playing receiver. My original position was, I think he should play, excuse me, receiver because it's so impactful for the game. But I think this is where the way that we talk about running backs comes into play,

it's so hard to find a cornerback at that level, I think, and it's relatively easy. If there is a position where you can find talent relatively easily, it is receiver, even though having a top level receiver is more important, I kind of think that the most valuable place to have a player like that would be at Corner, I think. You'd have asked me two days ago how to say receiver though. Yeah, I think Corner and also, if you want to do this, like throw him in there every now and then,

I think it's a better proposition to have him as a third down receiver than it is to have him as, what, the nickel back? Or you're going to bring him in on third down and have him lock up a number one receiver? You know what I mean? Like, I don't, the idea of him playing full, time both ways. I just think that's stupid. I hear people bringing it up, but I think that is dumb for everybody involved. Yeah, I also think it's dumb because you never get to the best version of him.

And maybe you could argue that getting a B plus version of him on both sides is more valuable than getting a true A plus on either side. But I think it's lightweight, disrespectful. I know he's a great athlete to like real great players to suggest that he could part-time it and be great at both. I think he could be good at both, but be great at both while trying to do both full-time, like just seems incredibly impossible for me. I think you're right about if you're going to major in one, it's the cornerback spot because I think we underappreciate how important preparation and the mental part of the game is as a defensive back.

Whereas receiver, there are some mental parts, but like we know to play. I know where you need to be and when you need to be there. cornerback is like depending on the coverage but depending on the split but depending on the release depending on the down and distance you have to narrow down what you're going to see and it changes the technique that you'll play and the decision that you'll make you can't just throw a guy out there on third down and be like hey all right go play corner man coverage good luck and i know that's what it seems like but it's really not how it works it's a lot of other things that go into it you made a good point about the Giants, I think, with Abdul Carter, perhaps going number three. And yes,

they have ends, but you just get as many of them as you possibly can. And I feel like if there's any franchise that should understand that as a mantra, the team that won two Super Bowls doing that exact thing. That, like, I try to avoid some of those basic trite sort of maxims. However, you can't have too many pass rushes undefeated. It is undefeated. Some of those things, I think the ones that are worth. avoiding are the ones that aren't saying anything at all or can be twisted into saying just about anything where it's just a cliche that says nothing. But that one, that falls in the category of run the damn ball to me. It's like, it's just fundamentally football. It's like some

shit that I shouldn't have to say to you. It's like, have you been watching this game? Like, I shouldn't have to tell you, sometimes you got to tote that thing. I took a period in a moment there when I thought the short passing game could replace it, but I came up. I came up from that. I was like, who the hell was I trying to impress with that bullshit? Tote that thing if you can. You got to hang with me and them too much. You know what I'm saying?

Like, that shit was refreshing. It's like every now and then you have like what was your favorite album by an art. Like I was saying it's a prince. Where I said it for the long, it's the best press album, side of the time's the best prince album. Then I was like, why am I trying to be too cute? It's Purple Rain.

There's a reason why this was the smash. A sign of the Times is incredible. But come on, man, you know what the answer is. It's right there. And that's what it is. People are like, no, no, no, it does all these other things. The short passing, it gives the option. That's not, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

Step every now and then you got to run through a motherfucker fight. That's what this game is kind of about. It's the reason why these other things were developed was because it was hard to run the ball. And so, like, first you got to try it. And if it don't work, then you got to do some other things. And you still got to check it every now and then. You got to, sometimes just got to check it every now and then. And I think there's also something to be said of your team's mentality and culture and

attitude. That's like the last place of sports that's, I feel like, has been under explored. It's like the psychology of sports in many ways. And I think there haven't been on a number of different teams. It feels good to be on a team that you, hey, hey, we can fight y'all if we have to. I will just note that the anti-run-the-ball types skew far more in the direction of people who have not played football. And I say this as a person who hadn't really played no football, right? So I'm not saying this judgmentally.

But the people who do, I think there's a value. Sometimes you got to look up and realize, like, hey, the people who do this say you need to do that. Right. Just throwing it out there. And I think so, like, this also goes back to Moneyball. where there is like sometimes the people that do this are wrong about something. And I think this is probably some deep human nature thing about how we want to think of people as simply either good or bad or heroes and villains is like, oh, these guys were right.

That means those guys are wrong. No, those guys were wrong about that thing. Right. They're not wrong about everything. That's one thing that I think is important to know is like even if they're wrong about most things, there's a chance it could be right. It kind of feels like the way that I think about like religion in many ways. It's like, yeah, some of that stuff is nonsense.

Some of that stuff makes some good sense. Yeah, just hear them out. Hear them out. There's a reason it's stuck, there's a reason it's stuck around so long. You're not that much smarter. Lead with questions, okay? Lead with questions and you might wind up getting the answer. It's the perfect, I'm sorry, it's the perfect analogy of like the religion versus science

crowd is the same thing that kind of happens a little bit in football, whereas like, oh, no, but these numbers say that none of that is true. I don't know which true or false, but something in there has some power. It's been around as long as we have. Right. Like, I don't know why it is when they play them chords on that organ in that building. It makes the hair stand up. I don't have an answer for you on that.

I'm not so quick to be totally dismissing. I just can't, you know, just hear people. Like, a basketball example for me is I am not as high on Kobe Bryant as a basketball player as his peers and a whole wing of people. And I've got a wealthist discal evidence all my side. But there's clearly something I'm missing here. Whether it's what I'm missing is the way that they contextualize him or maybe there's something I'm missing that's broader and bigger about the game.

But whatever it is, too many people that I respect say this thing. There's something there. And if I can't get it, it may be about me. But there's something there. And like what I say about like the short pass versus running the ball or all that is just I just always think the dorks underestimate how hard it is to throw the football particularly in the month of January. I think basketball, since we're into basketball playoffs, obviously we all acknowledge how much different playoff basketball. I think they had the pace numbers about how the fastest pace than the playoffs is like slower than the slowest pace team in all of the league. So like it's very different.

And then the amount of game planning and adjustments, obviously, is very different. The difference in football is not as obvious, but it's still there. It's still there to be able to control the tempo of the game, the pace of the game, and to be able to deal with the elements. Yeah, there's something about preparing the regular season that you aren't ready for when you get to the playoff. Got you. Now, let me ask you this before we get out of here with the draft. Is there any guy that you've been looking at that, like, got you catching the eye?

Oh, let me ask a different question. Do we have any more pioneering defensive backs? No, no, no, we ain't got no more, we ain't got no cop the apostrophe, de apostrophe, de jim. No, we ain't got no more de jines. Coup de Wann, that's what we need to start calling him, Coup de Wann. I'm hurting a little bit for our man Riley Moss, to be honest with you. Really? Because he played man coverage opposite Patrick Certain all year long, admirably.

on the outside. Cooper getting all this love, Coop was a slot. So, like, he deserved the love. He was a slot in a zone heavy team with a ridiculous defensive line. I don't mean this has no disrespect. But if there is someone that should be

our champion, it's Riley Moss out there and man coverage all day long. And they went to college together. Yep. Of course they did. I mean, there's only one place that's out here breeding these boys.

Only Iowa. Only Iowa. Yeah, I'm switching sides. I'm Moss High from here on out. Okay, okay. I'll hold it down for coup. We can do this together. There's enough love, there's enough love to go around, you know what I'm saying? For sure. That's the way to put it. But I was anybody that you've seen in this draft that just kind of jumps out to you? Yeah, I mean, I got excited about Shamar Stewart. He's the Texas A&M guy who's test ridiculously well and then I watched a game of his

and was like, oh, that looks good. And then I watched another game. I was like, oh, that doesn't. And it's just like, it's not consistent enough, but I do see him as someone who is worth a shot because he could have the ability. I'm not sure that it happens that much at that position, though, it's the weird thing.

I feel like all the like projects at, at N, or pass rush, outside linebacker or Edge is they don't work out. All the guys who test extremely well but didn't produce in college, I don't remember a whole bunch of them actually turning into something great. Well, I can think of one Texas A&M grad

that fits that description, that that would be Miles Garrett. Yeah, that's right. Mario Williams, I think, fell in that category where he didn't beat up. Wasn't he good, though? He was great. He put up numbers against Bums,

but I was there for that one, right? And somehow they had three first round picks on the defensive line at State and had the third best defense in the ACs. Like that was now, my guy Steve White, God rest his soul. He was a volunteer assistant at South Florida. And they had to play against State in the bowl game one year. And he said he just sat in there with the offensive coach just watching that Mario Phil. And he said, he looked at them and said, what y'all going to do with that gorilla? And just walked out the room laughing.

Trayvon Walker in Jacksonville has been a done. double-digit sad guy. Yeah, that's fair. You know, so I think there, uh, Rishon, Gary. Yeah, he's gotten better. He was like a top recruit in the country, right? He's no one guy and then never, never really produced at, um, at Michigan. And then he, like a slow started. He just started coming around last couple years to be an impactful player. So yeah, I mean, it's possible. I, but I agree with you, though. The, don't you worry. He'll figure it out. Okay. I don't like that for that position in particular.

but generally I don't like a guy who is that bit, is that physically imposing seems like there's no reason why he not. Because he's not like uncoordinated. He even has like some good moves, but it just don't result in production. That's a little scary to me. But I think that's one of the guys that I think I'd be excited. See, to be completely honest with you,

like this doesn't feel like a super talented draft, which like obviously five years from now I could be completely wrong. But even in the top like the top three guys, after that it gets kind of, it's kind of scary for the next guys. Let me tell you this, though, about Shamar Stewart and somehow he falls far enough for this. Nobody loves the ghost of five-star pass

quite like Pete Carroll. Pete Carroll, like the guy that has all the physical stuff, you are not going to go past Pete Carroll, but so many times. You know who loves physical stuff more than Pete Carroll. Howie? No, nope, not even Howie. I'm staying with the Raiders.

Rest in peace, Al Davis. So like, there's a perfect situation. It's like, that would be the most Raiders and the most Pete Carroll pick ever. But you're right. Yeah. If Samar Stewart is still around, I mean, the Ravens won't let him get by. They need an edge. If he's still around towards the end of the draft,

if there's any chance that Howie could get his hands on him, I doubt it. But I'm sure he would get him. And there's also Jaila Milro who Al Davis may not take in the first round, but he definitely would have took in the second. And if it didn't work out at quarterback, don't you worry. You'll be back there toting that rock. You'll be back there seven yards deep with your hands on your knees.

Yeah, Jamie Billrow is an exciting prospect because he might go late. That's the exciting part about it. Don't get him high. You and I both had to be the people who didn't want to say it out loud. But when he complained about Bill O'Brien asking, if he was a running back, not a quarterback, I was like, I have two have offered similar opinions. of the names, sir,

I don't, I need you to understand that if you think that that's the only person who felt that way, you do a good job of blocking out the doors. Like, you, you let, somehow, you let the naysayers know without knowing what the naysayers is talking about.

It goes back to the beginning of the show. They may not be right about everything. But there might be some validity to some of the things that they say. That is Dominique Fonsworth. him out on the Dominic Foxworth show. He will have his post draft episode Friday morning. My brother, I appreciate you. Thank you, sir. All right. And for a brief moment, if we could just say one more time, thank you to our man, Sean, you. This is his last day with us here on the right

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