The Right Time with Bomani Jones - BIlls “broken” by Broncos, C.J. Stroud struggles, Remembering Martin Luther King Jr. | 01.19

Episode Date: January 19, 2026

Bomani Jones starts off the show by reacting to the Bills shocking loss to the Denver Broncos, which ultimately lead to them firing head coach Sean McDermott. He discusses the up-and-down play of Josh Allen and why the media continues to defend him despite his shortcomings. Later, he reacts to the Rams beating the Chicago Bears and what it means for both Matthew Stafford & Caleb Williams. Finally, he reacts to CJ Stroud's awful performance against the Patriots, the Seahawks beatdown of the 49ers, and takes some time to reflect on the greatness of Martin Luther King Jr. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original. My name is Beaumani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. Wow, it is a weekend with a lot of football.

We are going to start here with the Bills and the Broncos, where the Broncos won 3330 in overtime, over the bills. This is very interesting where this was a very close game and often an exciting game for Ryan. I wouldn't say that it was a great game? No, no. It was sloppy. Yeah, it was not very well played, right?

Yes. But it sure was compelling. Yes. Okay? It was top to bottom compelling. And in the end, it was the most devastating game that I have ever seen. And the reason that I say it was the most devastating game I have ever seen is I have never seen a game that ended with both teams so devastated.

Now, shout out to the Denver Broncos. I guess we ain't really get a real chance to look at them because the players hadn't found this out yet. but they won this game and Sean Payton did his post-game media stuff. He left. He came back and was like, oh, by the way, got to let you guys know something.

Bow Nix has a broken bone in his ankle. He's going to have surgery on Tuesday. He's out for the rest of the playoffs. I, that was a big win for that team. If I'm not mistaken, it was Denver's first playoff win in 10 years since the 2015 season when they won the Super Bowl, right? They won this at home.

They won it in overtime. This was a make it happen sort of situation. They got it done. Their quarterback did not play badly. I did not think that their quarterback played well. He did make a couple of massive throws. He did. And we are combined in our bow-knick skepticism.

Yeah, yeah, no, but he made some big. I'm not going to pretend like he was terrible. Correct. Right. There's no need to act like he played badly. He made those big throws. and in a game like that, the ability to make those big throws matters, right?

Right. However, this was not a C. We told you all was wrong about, but it's not going to vindicate in either direction is the point that I'm making there. But he's got a broken bone in his ankle? Yeah. Like, you got that big emotional win

and now your quarterback is out and Champagne says that Jarrett Stittam will be ready. Ready for what? I'm like, like, I ain't ever seen it. Ready for what? No. All right. Auburn, look, I've seen, no, I'm just telling you right now, man.

Bless you guys' hearts. And if you managed to win this, you got a boss-ass defense. Don't get me wrong. Losing your starting quarterback is devastating. Yes. Okay? And so I'll put it like this, Ryan. Regardless of what our Bo-Nick skepticism is, I think we both agree.

He is a starting quarterback. Starting NFL quarterback, for sure. He's a starting NFL quarterback. Jerish Stidim is not. Not. Okay. And look, maybe I don't talk. talked his ass into going out here and really making it happen.

You know what I mean? And I said, Kurt Cousins wasn't to start the NFL quarterback. Ten fucking years later, he's made $857 million. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes it goes that way. But I can't, can you think, have you, like, I'm trying to think in the playoffs of a circumstance where a quarterback was just out, just out of nowhere.

No, I mean, the closest comparison would obviously be, you know, Carson Wentz about eight or nine years ago. Yes, early, like in the end of the regular season. Yes, but that was in like, I think early December. Yes. And they were the number one seed. And Carson Wentz was, you know, he was looking like he was going to win the MVP. Right.

But that was a long time ago, wasn't it? Yes, correct. And then, I mean, and then Nick Foles gets hot. Right. But Nick Foles is. It's a weird case. It's Tom Brady compared to. Yeah, he's only good one place.

Yes. But that one place, he's really good. But like Tom Brady got hurt in the first half of the 2001 AFC championship game and they had to go back to Drew Bledso. Right. But Tom Brady was back for the Super Bowl. Yes. Right.

You're going to the AFC championship game. Your quarterback is out. That is, to me, devastated. Like, if they can hold it together in spite of that fact, blessings to all the people that are involved. But that seems to be devastating. However, I personally, in my life, have never seen a team of, professionals ever be more devastated than the Buffalo Bills appear to be after losing this game

to the Denver Broncos. I've never seen anything quite like this, especially since it wasn't the Super Bowl, especially since it wasn't the AFC championship game. Now look, I'm going to tell you this. This is one thing about covering sports that I don't hear people like talk this much about, but I will never forget this as long as I live. It was the first time that I ever went into a locker room of a losing team after an elimination game. It is the saddest, the mustiest, the quietest, the tensest scenario that you could have. It was the year 2007, Michigan State, lost to North Carolina in basketball, the second round of the tournament at Lawrence Joel and Winston-Salem. And I went in that Michigan State locker room, man, and them boys was just bombed out.

Okay. And it was just that that thousand-yard stare type situation. Like, what do you do? You know, like this is a game with every, and as I recall in that game, it was close all the way until like the last two minutes. And then Rayshaw Terry hit like three-threes in the last two minutes. It was bananas. But they thought they had a chance.

And then they were done. Okay. Now let's talk about this in the context of the Buffalo Bills. No, they did not win their division, but they had just been consistently getting knocked out of the playoffs by quarterbacks who most of us believe. Well, Patrick Mahomes will be in the Hall of Fame, and I think that most of us believe that Joe Burrow is on a Hall of Fame track. That's the direction it goes in.

This time, though, there's no question that Josh Allen was the guy. in the AFC, right? He was the, that dude, this was his chance, his nemesis. It clearly been Mahomes. Mahomes was not there. Burrough, not there. This is for you. It is you on one side.

It is Bo Nicks on the other. This was the opportunity. And they lost. And I cannot think of a time that I have seen a quarterback of a team at the podium after a game sobbing in the way that Josh Allen was. Not crying, sobbing. This is not an exaggeration. It was literal sobbing.

Tears running down his face, eyes puffy. He was done for it. You did you see Dion Dawkins in the locker room? Like, these guys, this may be over for them as franchise. I mean, not like the Buffalo Bills will never win a game again, right? But for this run and what it's been, I can't, I'm reluctant, like, okay, so I'm somewhere reluctant to say that they cannot overcome what this was. However, the only reason I'm reluctant to say it is I'm not, I've never seen anything like

this. Like, if any of you can think of a time that you've seen a team look this battered and this, they didn't feel like this after the 13 second. game. No. In that game, they were way closer to having won than this one, right? But this was the, have they heard everything that we've been saying, Ryan, the if not now, then when sort of situation? And I guess it didn't feel that way then, right? Is it that it feels this way now, that it's year eight for Josh Allen, it's year nine for McDermott. Is it that everybody looked around and just said to themselves, damn, I guess we just not going to do this.

Yeah, I mean, I think that the only cop to me is almost maybe the Elway Broncos, you know, losing three AFC championship games. Yeah, but they were at least in Super Bowls. But then they came back and they essentially had to retool the roster, including getting rid of the coach. Yeah, yeah, it was, had two coaching changes because Wade Phillips had a, had a stop in between. But you were right. Those were the teams in the rocket, in the, in the new Broncos uniforms, that was a completely

different situation than the ones like the only real common thread there was John Elway. Yes. Right. And I think that might be the situation if the bills ever get over the home. Yeah. And I would also say those years in between they were down. Like those were not, they were not a continuation

of what it was. Those were down years. But I don't recall John Elway being broken. Like I don't remember Dan Reeves. They got Dan Reeves out of there because John Elway couldn't stand them anymore. But I just don't remember any, them feeling so broken down and defeated. And I'm not saying this as a judgment of these guys

fulfilling that way. I'm just trying to figure out how it is that you get back up off the ground after that. Like I think about how many times we see a team that loses a Super Bowl. And then they can't turn it back around. Like it's so hard for them to get back up off the ground after this. This team looked more devastated than any team

that I had seen lose the Super Bowl. so I don't know where they go from here. Like that is, it's, it feels unfair to immediately start looking to the future about them except what I saw there was so unprecedented. But if you want to talk about the present with them, we can talk about the present, okay? And I'm sorry for you guys, Denver Broncos.

We got a lot more time to talk about y'all a little bit later. And to be honest, I really don't know what to say about y'all. Y'all got Jared Stittem. He's going to be playing quarterback. I don't, I'm going to need a little bit more time to figure out. what to do about you guys, okay? But hey, Bo Jones care, don't nobody else care. Don't you think

I'm out here ignoring you right now, right? I'm trying to make sure I show you the proper respect. Now, we had this thing happen, right? We put out video on social media. And as many of you guys know, I've talked about it on here, talked about it with Ryan. I love people that way, but you know, just generally speaking, I hate social media production, right?

Like, it's, you know, the game is kind of sort of, we get out here and we, y'all getting mad at me that really like gets what they call what's the word right engagement that yes engagement yeah yeah so you know it stuff gets y'all engaged and so we had put out a video where i made the point that if you're josh allen you can't lose a game to bow nix now in the video and on the podcast i very clearly say i know that quarterbacks don't play against each other but it sure does feel that way, right? You lazy, motherfucker, is this amazing.

Y'all don't want to read and you can't even click a button for 45 seconds to get to the end of it, right? Y'all was all my ass, boy, all over it. Oh, this is stupid take. He thinks he's so much smarter than everybody else, but he think quarterbacks play against each other. Now, those of you who listen to this show, and, Ryan, I bet you have noticed this about me. I am very careful about that. Yes. Right?

Like, I understand that that's not really how it works, except But sometimes it kind of is an application. Yes. Okay? They just because they're not guarding each other. It's not a matchup of the quarterback. Yeah, yeah. There's a reason why we put those graphics up.

You know what it's kind of like, it's kind of like a game of horse. Yes. Right? When you're playing against somebody in horse, you're not really playing. Like, I'll make a shot. You make a shot. I miss a shot. Da-da-da.

Like, maybe that's the way that we should look at this. Golf. Same deal. Very, very similar sort of situation. Now, of course, the difference is in golf, everybody's playing against the same course. Yes. You know, and maybe that's kind of sort of the thing,

and horse is not the exact thing. But sometimes somebody throw the ball off the ground, off the glass, and it go in, and you got to do the exact same thing, right? Like sometimes this is what it comes down to. Bottom line is, we'll phrase it differently to make you feel better. If you are the quarterback of the Buffalo Bills and Bo Nix is the quarterback of the Denver Broncos,

your team needs to win that game no matter what the surrounding circumstances are. Now, if Bo Nix comes out there and Bo Nix throws for 400 yards on 30 of 40 passing, Hey man, all you can do. Going back to the Nick Foles example. Nick Foll's outplayed Tom Brady in the Super Bowl. No one gets at Tom Brady. That's right. That's right.

Sometimes it's your day. Sometimes it's your day. You tip your cap and you give that person credit, all right? But if Bo Nix just kind of sort of has a day at the office and you turn the ball over four times, including a I hate something. so much that Dominique is not on this week because he had one of them turnovers that was reminiscent of that game in Houston when he was out there

throwing bombs to square bodies at the end of the game. And this was at the end of the first half where he got out there and he decided to run. And that old Josh came out of him and he gave the ball up. And quite honestly, that's the margin of the game right there. Okay. I generally try to avoid that idea because everything, every play in a game is a function of the score. So if you change the score, you change a lot of actions, activities, or whatever it is. But on that one right there, no, man, I think that that was it, right? You kind of swung the game

right there if you're Josh Allen. There is no way, I don't care who you are, I don't care what quarterback you are. Four turnovers, it's on you. Four turnovers and you're the guy that Josh Allen is who we say he is, it is on you. There's no way around that. and the thing that I applaud Josh Allen for is Josh Allen got that, right? He got up at the microphone and he said, I let everybody down, basically. Okay. Now, you have to worry, often worry about guys who do that generally, you know, because, like, as a main character syndrome situation, that often comes up when, you know, the guys

are the ones to do that and people are like, yo, so the rest of us ain't here. Like, those things that come up. But no, no, no, that was a dude taking accountability, right? And to me, the most endearing thing about Josh Allen is that he is accountable. At every turn in this, he has proven to be accountable. At every turn, I need to get better at this. I'm going to go get better at this. It is abundantly clear why everybody that is in any proximity of him loves him because

he is that guy. And to me, I see no quality that you can have in a lot of work like he has that is more important than being accountable, right? and I would think we need to applaud him for being accountable. And what I can't understand for the life of me is why so many of you won't let him do it. I've been talking about this for a very long time. It is the collective desire of people in my business to see Josh Allen do well. It is not simply that they are observing him or think he's good or trying to uphold predictions

for reasons that I got guesses about. It's this rooting. It's this, oh, man, it hurts so bad for Josh Shalder. Josh didn't get to touch the ball in overtime, so we need to change the rules so that Josh has a chance to get the ball in overtime because Patrick got the ball in overtime, right? It's those things. Josh hasn't won an MVP, so he wasn't first. team all pro, but we'll go ahead and give him one of these. Okay, what? We keep seeing this happen

and you got to stop, right? It is ridiculous and it is largely unprofessional. But the thing that I think makes it so interesting is, I don't know, do you guys not realize that you're doing this? Like, can you honestly not see the huge difference in the way that people treat it when, Josh Allen comes up short, right? And again, I understand why you might want it for him. But four turnovers. This was on him, right? This wasn't on the refs for that,

what, the interception that could have been a catch or whatever. And I'm going to go, this is my take on that, all right? Could have gone either way. I thought that it was an interception. I never thought that Brandon Cook's had control in the way. to make it a catch. And this is the biggest thing for me. When I see examples of simultaneous possession, in my mind, at least, it always feels

like the defense in order to get a hold of it has to like wrestle the ball away. You know what I'm saying? Ryan, I don't know if it looked this way to you, but it looked like he was just like, hey, let me get that right fast. Yeah, I mean, they were like, almost caught it and then he rolled and he came up with it. Right, right? But you know what I'm talking about, right?

Like with those guys getting locked up. Yeah, they rip, yeah. There's like this tugging sort of situation. I didn't see any tugging that was going on there. He just got it. He rolled over and he had the ball. But you know part of why that went that way? Because it was a little bit underthrown.

Yeah. Right? Like, he, this was the chance. There's the third and ten driving right before they take the field goal. Wide open. Misses them. Yes. And like,

walking before a touchdown. Yeah. And that's, that's the margins of being, you know, a great right-year-season quarterback. and one of the all-time grades. It's a thin margin. But he's nearly 30. Yeah.

That's the thing that's wild. It's not over, right? It's not like he'll never get it done. But he's not, he is past the age of being treated with any sort of kid gloves. Yeah, no, no, no. He's got an MVP.

Yeah. And it's not like Lamar Jackson won't an MVP at like 22. Yes. You know, like he's got an MVP. He's been to championship games. All of his peers, except for Lamar have been to a Super Bowl.

But guess what? Lamar been just as far as he has been. And we have given Lamar his hell for this year, right? But this is the thing that gets me about it in terms of how we deal with Allen as it relates specifically to this season. Most of us would say that the top two guys for the MVP this year are Matthew Stafford and Drake May.

So that is to say, in a year with Patrick Mahomes, not only did he not play well, he also wound up getting hurt. In a year where Lamar Jackson was hurt for most of the year, in a year where Joe Burrow was hurt for most of the year, Josh Allen was not even the second best quarterback in the league. Do I think that Josh Allen is the second best quarterback in the NFL? Yes. Or at the very least, the third. Like, I think with he and Lamar, I say, still have that as being very, very, very close, all right. But two guys were better than him this year. And that doesn't mean that they are necessarily better players. Like, do I think Drake May is a

better player than Josh Allen? Maybe not, but he probably was a better player this year. You understand what I mean? Like, it's a distinction that I do think has a difference, okay? But even still, another, this is Josh Allen's time. He was the MVP last year. Other guys played better than him. then you come into a playoff game where Ryan is safe to save. Bo Nix outplayed him. Yeah, I mean, turned the ball four times. Right. And Bo Nix, when he turned it over twice, right?

Yes. Okay, I mean, again, not the greatest game, but Bo Nix outplayed him, right? He did not play better than the rest of the quarterbacks in the regular season. He was not better than his adversary in this game. This year for Josh Allen, all this weeping for. Josh Allen, this was his chance. Right. On multiple levels. And he didn't do it. Right. And I'm not saying that this means something like fundamental about his character, fundamental about his potential, any of this. But the bottom line is it didn't get done because he didn't do it. And you know who

seems to believe that and understand that? Josh Allen. So why won't so many of you allow him to be the stand-up, respectable sort of person that we typically admire, right? Let him be that. Be honest about it. You don't have to kick him while he's down. You don't have to pile along. But, God damn, you do not have to lie. Stop lying.

All right, we got ourselves another good one to wrap up. These have been great playoffs. Like, the NFL playoffs are a little hit or miss in terms of, like, what it is that you're actually going to get. these have been really good so far, even though I don't think any of the teams are really good. These, however, have been really good. And look, the finish of that game is,

this can't be the Candle Williams experience for like 15 years because people are going to have heart attacks, right? It can be what this is while he is young. And it starts off a little slow. You don't know what's going on. He was this another game of like kind of sort of 50% completion, right? Like right around. in that zone. Three interceptions, obviously, that's bad news.

Misses terrible, Mrs. Easy Layups down the stretch. Yes, but, and I don't think we need to walk through the entire game. That touchdown pass, I can't believe that was real. Can I be a prisoner a moment for the second? Feel free. That might be the best throw I've ever seen. It's up there. It's, I mean, if you do the math on it, right?

the circumstances, and I mean, the macro circumstances of the game, fourth in the season, right? Right. Throw in the weather as part of it. Throw in the fact that all the Rams, Merlin Olson, Deacon Jones, they was both back there. Right. Chasing him around. And it's not that he just like, or maybe it was just the oh, hell Mary.

He seemed to put that on the dot. He's going backwards from the 41. He's his back foot's on the 41. It was the 41? Yes, and he's a leaning backwards and throws him to the back corner of the intel. On the dot. On the dot. On the dot.

It looked like the video game settings were too easy. Well, it looked like he was going to hear about this all offseason. Yes. Like the set of circumstances that led to that happening is insane. Correct. You did something wrong to get us to this place. But then to be. able to say, no, it's cool, and then make the throw, the catch is there.

And he's been doing this. I don't know if you read Seth Wickersham's book, but Caleb Williams is very heavily featured in that. And this goes back to his high school days in Maryland, is like, they get down 28-0. They win 43 to 42. Well, did you watch his college coming out party in 2021 to Texas Oklahoma game? Yes. With Spencer Rattler. And then just, next thing, It was like, who is this? He's pulling the ball. And now it's the same season, you know, he's pulling the ball from the running back

to convert four downs. It was nuts. It was also him firmly believing that he was the best player in the country while on the oak as a true freshman and having a case. Yes. Right?

But the NFL, I mean, he has not been the best quarterback of his draft class. His first year, I think we would agree, was third, right behind Jane Daniels and Drake May. And this year he was second. This year, yeah, this year he was second. Daniels was largely hurt.

But he's one of these things, he's one of these cases where he's been a great fourth quarter quarterback, but I want a great third quarter quarterback. I think we've talked about this on the show. I want somebody who just hands it off in the fourth quarter. This motherfucker got to get out here and make magic happen every single time. It's like one of the great analytics movements was, you know what's and third down conversions. Second down conversions.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a big thing, man. It's a big thing, and he just drops back, and it spreads out. And then he's just kind of like, okay, we'll figure this out in large part, because I cannot believe that somebody his size has that arm. Right. Like, somebody coming in at around six, one and a half, six two. Right.

Although I guess he's like, Park has talked about this last week, right? Like, he is built like a house. Like, he's got it. But do you think? think Dan Campbell would have gone for two under those circumstances? And I asked that because Big Brain Ben is like clearly descended from that go for fourth down school of Campbell. And I was thinking to myself if America's team, the Detroit Lions were in that circumstance, would I want them to go for two? And I think I reached the point where I say yes. A big part of why I say yes

is I'm ready to go home. Like I'm not over time, overrated. Not really that big a fan. of the whole concept. If we can get out of here right now, let's go ahead and get out of here. But the problem, Ryan, I think is what we're just talking about, it's one thing for Williams to do this with a little more space to operate, but a guy that has been good to miss some layups,

do you want to put it in his hands in that condensed space? Right. Like Ben Johnson has demonstrated himself to be a lot of things. He ain't scared. Correct. And he decided that we needed to go ahead and kick and play this out. I think if you had a normal, like a normal fourth down, play. Like if you were, but it's, it, you forget how fast it is. Like, oh, we just threw the,

we threw the greatest pass ever. And now we got to get an operation in in 40 seconds. All right. So let's try this. Yeah. Okay. I don't know the best word to use under these circumstances. But if I were one of these people listening to this show, I am going to use the word that they would use even though they are speaking to a concept that I don't believe exists. Oh, okay. Okay.

I was curious what were you using now. So there are... About the thing they just got a bunch of... Yeah, yeah, there are many people who... There are many people who believe that in that moment, that they would have something that they would refer to as momentum under those circumstances, right?

That you have just hit them with a swift kick in the gonads. and now maybe we just hurry up and we line up and they won't have it. Now, what it is more likely to be, your guys are riding some confidence right now and you're thinking that their guys might be a little bit days, right? When they're a little bit wobbly. You know there's nobody ever causing momentum in boxing?

Yeah. Okay. Think of it like boxing, right? They're a little wobbly over there, right? You put them down, they get them back up. You could go right in on a straight line and give it to them, or you could say, nope, let's dance a little bit more. Yeah.

And maybe that was the time to just come in there and hit them with the hammer. Maybe that was it. But it could go either way, right? In the end, the guy that we're giving all this credit to went out there and threw a pick. Yeah. Now, that was the one, like, going to a DJ Moore

where it's a question to ask whether or not the quarterback and the receiver on the same page. Yeah, it didn't look like they were. And by the way, if that's the case, that's kind of sort of a quarterback thing too. Yes. Right? Like it's your job to get everybody on the same program, however it happens to go. But the other side, the presumptive MVP, by the way, both presumptive MVP guys.

We'll talk about the other one, you know, but didn't play that well. No. Right. Stafford did not complete 50% of his passes. And as I say about Stafford all the time, he's going to give you a chance. and he gave, there were chances to get the ball back around. There were two fumbles. There were also at least one or two of those,

whereas like, oh, you guys could have picked that off. I imagine, though, it's really hard to intercept Matthew Stafford if you don't see it coming. I think some of that is also with Josh Allen, who'll always give you a chance. They talk about all them games in a row, Josh Allen hadn't had a turnover before you got them all in one game. I'm like, I don't see how.

Yeah, that feels like a, you know, result rather than process. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but here's the thing about it. I'm going to run this by you. Me and my brother talk about this. My brother's got a buddy. E. Richardson. Eric Richardson played basketball at Alabama during the Wimp Sanderson days, Buck Johnson, Bobby Lee Hart, all those guys, right?

And my brother asked him about magic. Because, you know, he played pickup with magic, you know, stuff like that. And how it was that nobody ever took Magic's dribble. Magic 6-9. Magic can have no boom, boom, boom, low cross game, whatever. No, magic is drivet. dribbling that ball high. Like to his eyes.

Yes. How did nobody ever take the ball away for magic? A E total, magic dribbling that ball hard as hell. Right? Like magic, it's bough, bow. Can you imagine how hard Magic Johnson? Like, it's one of those things you just don't think about is... Until someone points it out, yeah.

Case in point. It's not exactly the same, but someone was similar. I told you guys before, I went to Iceland in 2024. I went snowmobiling on a glacier. Ryan, if I have not sent you the pictures of it, I will. I have not. It was a really incredible experience, right? But fell off to snowmobile a couple of times.

To this day, dog. To this day, it's in my shoulder. But that summer, okay, that trip was in February, just so we're clear. So late May, I start coming back around, right? I'm in Atlanta. I'm at Turner. We're doing the Altcast for the rest of the conference finals. And I mean, Brendan Haywood, first time I'd seen Brendan Haywood.

Brendan Haywood, for those of you who don't know, seven feet tall, played center in North Carolina playing in the NBA for a very long time. Brendan Haywood, I don't know if he was happy to meet me or whatever, but he gave me a level of dapp

that set my shit back like three months. You got the hard dribble to your hand? Oh my God, straight up and down. It was, oh, man. And it wasn't like the, like the, I shook Adrian Peter's hand situation. He dared to pop my arm out of joint

just by showing love. Right. Now, with Magic, Magic Johnson, like, you try to stick your hand in there and take the ball for magic. Yeah. Walk out of that bad boy, like, like when you see somebody finger get popped out of joint, except it's your shoulder. And maybe that's what happens when you don't realize that that Matthew Stafford pass is coming for you. And you just can't get a hole. You like, y'all, baby, he burnt me. Like, that thing was spinning. Like, you might be able to hear that joint in the air. That's the only way that I figured that cats ain't picking these passes off.

Speaking of Stafford, a lot of pressure with the four quarterbacks left in the tournament are Sam Darnold. Yes. Jared Stidham. Yes. And, you know, someone who, you know, you're 15 years older then. Yes, yes. Now, this is, I'm going to just say this right now. The Rams don't win the Super Bowl.

No, we can't shut this Hall of Fame thing up if they don't win. he'd a new Josh Allen. Right? Like Josh Allen had to, I mean, right? He was dealing with that. Now it's the least scrutinized number one overall pick in the history of number one overall pick quarterbacks.

It's him. This is your time. You have the best two receivers, one two in the league, where one guy led the league in catches in yards, and the other one led the league in touchdowns. And talk about surefire hall. famers.

Devante Adams? Yes. Yeah. It's one of those that you didn't really think about it and then it happened. Right. Right. Like, he is, because you know, Antonio Brown's Hall of Fame case is about to start. And that's going to be a fun one.

That's going to be a phone one. That's going to be a fun one. And by the way, it's a no brainer on just football stuff. It's just a matter of whether they decide they don't want to let him in. But the Devante Adams case is very, very similar. Yes. Like when you get in there and look at it. I think the Devante Adams case is maybe a little more similar than Julio Jones,

who I think will get in. But you and I have talked about this. And maybe we might want to, this is actually a fun episode. I'll talk about this in front of people that we may be able to have of Super Bowl Week, which is going through that Hall of Fame ballot. Yeah. Like it lets you know, is some dudes that ain't never getting in. Yeah.

That you've been trying to, not you, but you know, been trying to put in forever. Yes, I'm talking about Jason Witton. But anyway, this will come up with Stafford also. by the way. But they, I think most of us would agree. And I guess you can make a case for Peyton, maybe. But I think McVeigh is the best coach that we've got left in this. I mean, we've got a pretty good coaching situation.

Right. You know, with all these guys. Especially two offense, two defense. Yes, yes. Like, I think we got a pretty good, you know, set up there. But we're going to see what happens. I mean, look, it's going to be third time of the charm over there in the NFC. Right.

we're going to get a look at what goes on over there. But the future of the Bears is going to be very interesting with exactly how you deal with what the future of Caleb Williams should be. And what is next year going to look like with him? Because we're all now going to expect a leap. And I think that he made a leap this year. Because, I mean, I think going from 60 something sacks to 20 something sacks, that by itself. I don't want to compare it to.

some other Chicago athlete who had a down first year and then had a great first, you know, great first moment in the, uh, in the playoffs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But, um, it's, it's been a long time. That, that, that, that hole is there for Chicago fans. Yeah, I will just say this, though. I think this is important. Um, you got to get over seven yards of completion. Yes. Like, You can throw me all the advanced statistics all you want or whatever. This. And I think that if you got to complete more than 60% of your past. And that's what it comes down to is that, right?

Like, I think efficiency is overrated in the way that we view football, but I also do think it is important. I think the ability to make big plays is more important. Like, I'd rather have somewhat of the Caleb Williams archetype than the Alex Smith archetype. Right. Right. I think the ability. But that's how you become Drew Brees.

Yes. Right. Like, Drewree is a different animal, right? Like it was just like they, there's been one of those. If your thing is, I think he's the next Drew Bree's move on to somebody else. Like you're just asking for too much. But they need, they're going to need him to make a jump. And the big part of why is it seems very clear to me. No matter what the system is that you build around him, the system is going to be Caleb Williams.

Right. Like that's, that's what this looks like. The system is going to be our guy can do unreal things. And we're going to put him in a position to do unreal things. and that's what it got, that's what happened in the end. But hey man, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a, that's a high low life, right? That's a, that's a, that's an up and down life. That's an EKG life. But it made for a season that I think these Bears fans will remember up until next year

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A couple other games from the weekend. Saturday night, Seahawks blow the doors off of the four. 49ers, 41 to 6, magic runs out for Brock Purdy and Kyle Shanahan. And what was your biggest takeaway from this game? Hey, guys. I understand the 49ers are really low on bodies, right? I get that. But God bless anybody that has to try to score points against Seattle.

Like, that's the, you want to score some points against Seattle. You're going to need to intercept Sam. Donald and take him back to the Kassel. That's what it's going to take. And it, it feels like they'd be hitting hard too. Like, I mean, it was like San Francisco. Oh, they're nasty. Yeah, yeah. Like, I thought San Francisco is a great story this year and they gave it everything they had. I don't know what team you could have put into that situation. Like, that's the first time in how many years they had fans in that loud ass stadium. They were actually able to run the ball, which is something they had not been able to do, you know, like all of those things. But it didn't matter what Sam Donald was. And

in that game. Right. Now, the torn oblique. Right. Now, I mean, look, that's a trick bag, right? But can you, can you get to the Super Bowl without it mattering what your quarterback does? I've seen it happen before. Once. And that was maybe the greatest defense that I've ever seen. And that was in the year 2000. Right. Where the other team's quarterback in the Super Bowl was Carrie Collins. I don't know, guys. I don't know. All right. So let's move on to the, the AFC, the Patriots beat the Texans. C.J. Stroud struggled mightily completing 20-20-47 passes. Four first-half interceptions.

Bo, what was your take? Bo, you were tweeting about the Peter Man in this game. Yo, okay, so look, they lost that game to the Steelers. And you and I were both struck at how bad he looked. Yes, I mean, that game was 7-6 going into the fourth quarter. And it was, it's not just how bad he looked. It was written all over his face, right? Like, he was shook about that.

But they managed to get it done because the Texans boy, they got some bullies over there on the other side of this. He threw four interceptions in the first half against the Patriots, and I was like he looked like the Peter Band. All he had to do was come out the next half and throw one more. We was taught by Davis Mills. You got to get him off the yoke. And that was not simply because Stroud was playing poorly.

it's because it was written all over his face. It was clear that he was totally consumed by this game, by this moment. I don't know what's going on. He was one of the best rookie quarterbacks that we have ever seen. Apparently it's been cheeks ever since then. And now, look, after year three, that's when teams start talking about signing these extensions, okay? He's got Mulgetta representing him.

He's still got the leverage because it's going to be hard to go find another quarterback. But Texas can't break the bake on this, man. Like if this is what it's been looking like, and it appears that this is what it's been looking like, they have age. I could not believe how bad he looked. Let me tell you who didn't look good in that game. Drake May, all right? The Texans were in this game into the fourth quarter.

But the thought was the Texans are going to need to like turn around an interception or fumble or something like that to get it done. But it was on the board because of how May was playing and how that defense was playing. What was it? Four minutes left. The Texans are down by 12 and they punted the ball. And I've seen people take that. One time out left. Yeah. People take that as D'Amico gave up on the game. No, sir. I think D'Amico concluded they had a better chance of scoring a touchdown on defense than they did scoring a touchdown on offense.

Like, that's where they, I am shocked by how bad their quarterback was in that game. I can't think of a time it's been a playoff game and people have really been like, yo, y'all need to go to the bench. The bench for Davis Mills. For Davis Mills. And like, you know,

we talk a lot about quarter blacks and blackups. But we was asking for Davis Mills too. And I'm generally a little skeptical of last name, last name, cats. You know what I'm saying? Like, you need to go gain you 20 pounds and play tight in. Then we might throw you the ball.

Josh Allen, he got a whole team full of. full of last name, last name, cats. What was it, Dawson Knox? Dalton Kincaid. Dalton Kincaid. Ooh, boy, I can, look at that Seasucker suit. You know, like, it's all right there. But, man, they, I don't know what to say about the Patriots either

because I don't think they played well. They played against one of the worst quarterbacking performances that I have ever seen at that level. But he's like, okay, I'm not saying he's like Janeland Hertz because I think Jalen Hertz is better than him, it seems. But the same- Doesn't come out there and look, doesn't look shook. No, no, but the same way that we have all our criticisms

about Jalen Hertz and then you say comma, but he outplayed Patrick Bajal twice in the Super Bowl, Texas have won a playoff game three straight years with this guy. Three straight years. But they have a, they got to figure something out and they got to figure it out because they fired the offensive coordinator last year because they thought it was his fault. What if it wasn't?

All right, Beau, today is Martin Luther King Day. 40th anniversary of America recognizing this holiday. You wanted to give some thoughts about Martin Luther King. All right. So I want to say one thing right fast about the holiday. And I think that this is important. I told this story here before. My buddy Joel. See, my buddy Joel.

Hear that? Anyway, we were both at the National Association. a black journalist annual convention in 2005 in Atlanta. And Jesse Jackson was there. And I'll always remember it because Jesse Jackson was doing something that was very much, I feel like, on brand for a man of Jesse Jackson's age and stature at that time. I saw him talking on his cell phone on a hands-free kit. And the hands-free kit, the one from back in the day where you put the earpiece in

and then the cord went down and plugged into the phone. Right. Well, like, if you ain't known nobody had it in, you thought they was talking to their self. Anyway, he was there because the Voting Rights Act was up for renewal, and he wanted to make sure that there was, you know, an understanding of what was going on and awareness of the issue. And, you know, this is 2005. You know, Jesse isn't quite as relevant as he was then, and it felt to a degree, like, you know, it felt a little alarmist. I think I've seen Joel use that word to describe it. It felt a little bit alarmist. and when the vote came up for the Voting Rights Act that time, I want to say it passed unanimously through the Senate. As you guys know, it ain't no voting rights act no more.

You know, at least not in any way that actually factually matters. I had thought that that was a settled matter. Clearly, it was not. keep that in mind with this holiday. It ain't got to be one forever. You know, they just got that Juneteenth one there. Good luck keeping that one on the books. Like, none of this is obligatory.

None of this is required. Don't lose sight of that because you may have to, we might have to snap into action to keep it if it comes down to it. Now, King himself, I used to annually do like more of a thing and I would pick a passage from something that King had written and to speak on it. And, you know, the biggest thing for me with King always, and I've talked about this many times,

is I believe that Martin Luther King is the finest man that this country has produced a man in such a way that I don't think that this country deserved him in a number of ways. And the biggest thing that I say about King that I think is very important that speaks to, you know, what he is or was is that no way. has ever spoken with greater moral clarity. And my greatest frustration with people who misappropriate his words or, you know, as this day goes on and people go and find the most benign quotes of his that they possibly can to put him out there, you know, you know, don't worry, be happy.

Martin Luther King, right? You know, that kind of stuff. You have to do it on purpose. It's the only way. You can't accidentally get it wrong. it's not possible you know what was right and what was not it wasn't just like expressed in slogan it was always broken down because the thing about king that we also don't talk nearly enough about is he's really really really smart right like the the the the logic on his

stuff like if you were doing it with arrows like a implies b b implies see all that stuff the lines are always so clear. There's so little noise that surrounds it at every turn, right? Like, it's so clear. It's so, it's always there. It's so resonant. And it makes you stop and realize, and this is part of why King was so effective. Do you realize how, like, bad of a person you had to be to disagree with the things that he was talking about, like how fundamentally rotten that you had to be? That's the only reason that, like, this holiday ever got passed or anything else is that it's like,

ain't no leak in that ship, man. It's not there. It's not. And so with that in mind, I encourage you to go find anything the King has written. Chaos or community is the one that I typically recommend that people go to and understand, man,

he at every turn was confronting the problem of race and how we got there squarely. right there weren't there were no punches pulled there were no dirty punches either but there were no punches pulled he was always so straight ahead at this and the greatness of king to me was another thing that was a settled matter but we know that it is not and we're going to have Howard Brian on tomorrow to talk about his book that he wrote about Jackie Robinson and Paul Robeson. And they made Paul Robeson disappear. Like, full on disappear.

Like, he never happened. Like, it didn't, like, perhaps the most famous black man in the world in the 1940s. By the time he was dead in the 1970s, it's like he was never there. Like, the memories of these people can be made to have. evaporate very quickly without a conscientious effort to keep them alive. Now, something that I think is important when I make that point is this. And this is for everybody, though, I think it has a special, some of the special, a particular meaning for black people. They can change what they teach in schools. They can change the points that they use to decide is like some larger form of education.

They cannot change what we teach each other. They can't change what we teach each other. They can't I change what we preach on our own time? They can't do it. Everything I ever learned about black people, I learned for black people. It was never with any sort of expectation that I was going to learn this in school. It just wasn't it. Right. And we have to keep that in mind more and more. And remember that at some point, it looks as though it is possible that we are going to have to teach each other again about Martin Luther King. And if we have to teach each other about Martin Luther King, I think it becomes imperative for a lot of us

that we actually learn about Martin Luther King because a lot of us depended on other people to give us that information. Nah, man, information's out there. Go out there, get it. Be inspired, be blown away by what you read. But don't be sitting around waiting. we got to do what we got to do is what I'm saying.

Let's make sure we do it. All right, Bo. Got some voicemails coming out. Thank goodness for the white. Thank goodness for the... Nice hard transition. Nice hard cut. Here's the first one.

Hey, what's up, Bo? First time called Longtime listening. Hey, man, this is Courtney Collison, Georgia. I had a question for you, man. I know that, like, during the 90s, man, like, y'all shoe game was so, like, cold. I mean, y'all had the airman. y'all had to cross trainers.

Y'all know y'all had to come of causing, but the Sean Kemp's, the Allen & the penis. It's like, man, all your shoes were so cold. So I just want to know, like, where did we lose the recipe? Like, why did the shoe game not sustain and stuff? Why it ain't like how it used to be with the shoes was so cold? I appreciate it. You know, y'all got lower standards if I'm a keeper real, right?

Who are you all? It's a generational situation. Okay. Okay. It's a generation. Okay. You kids. Yeah, yeah, yes, yes.

But this is a thing, I think it's not just shoes, it's everything else. We now have such a vast repertoire of past things to draw from that you know people like and you know things work retroactively or whatever. But across the board, everybody's like, why would I come up with something new? Well, it's some, oh, shit, that'll be cracking. Right? I think that's a gigantic part of a lot of these things. Like I always say about music, why y'all still listening to rap?

And I mean that in the sense of these young people should have come up with something that blew rap off the board. Like there should have been a paradigmatic shift. But instead, everything just keeps drawing on what has already been here, right? The point has been made that having everything be so accessible just flattens all this stuff out in that regard. But you're right, man. Like, the heat that we was wearing when I was in high school,

is still kicking the ass of what they putting out for y'all to wear right now. That's a terrible break for you, youngsters. It really is. But you know what? If I was you, I would be trying to get like me too. All right. Here's our next one. This is Cy, first time, a long time, calling in from Virginia.

You kind of sparked my interest to Colin when you were talking about Austin River's agent Reggie. So I am the offspring of a white reggie. and as you can imagine, most of my mom's friends when she told them she was dating Reggie just made the assumption. He was a black guy. On top of it, his middle name, yes, it is Avon. So it's Reginald Avon. So he's got a lot working for him there. And then on top of that, my dad grew up in the rural South around integration.

and he was integrated into a school that was primarily black. So he was playing basketball, and he was the only white guy on his team, and they would go into plenty of gyms where they're facing off against pretty much all white teams. And it always would crack me up kind of thinking, oh, as they're doing the starting lineups, oh, here comes Reginald off the bench. And, yeah, so that was always a little bit amusing to think. about too, that some of the heads crashing that might have been going on there. Yeah, love the show.

Thanks. Have a good one. I just need to know it. I appreciate that call greatly more than you know. How do, like, what was the tipping point before white people was like, fine, y'all got it. Reginald is yours, right? It's like, for example, the name Tyrone, Stephen Tyrone Colbert. Did you know that?

I know that. But I mean, to be fair, I know that because of you. Yes. We got Stephen Tyrone, Colbert. at what point, because, you know, in Ireland, they got lots of Tyrone's. And at some point, over here, they was just like, when you loan somebody a shirt and they stretch it out. Y'all got it.

Like I said, they had a lot on game theory once. I said basketball was like the name Tyrone. After a while, white folks just said, fine. Y'all can have it. We don't even want it back no more, right? For a moment, I thought I had got fooled, man. Somebody sent me something in Austin. and said that Austin Reeves, Agent Reggie

was White Reggie. I almost fell for it. I looked it up. No, he's he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, a regular old Reggie. Um, Bernard, I feel like is a name that at some point we got, but like sometimes after, sometimes after Bernie Sanders. You know what I'm saying? But he, but he's

burnt, he's never Bernard. He is, you're right, he is Bernie, right? That is an interesting thing though, but Brooklyn Dodgers fan, Bernie Sanders. Yeah. That's a great point. That says a lot about the silent generation's own. Bernie Sanders. He's like boomers.

I hate, I hate kids. Yeah, we had good shoes in my day. All right, here's our last one. Speaking of white reggie. Hey,

Bo. This is Trave from Alcoa, Tennessee, just south of Knoxville, you know what I mean? Okay. I can confirm that there's three white reggie. in my area right now. I know there are few and far between.

I've not seen few, but there's three here. Now, one's a transplant for Mississippi. So the one I ain't found, though, that I've talked to with the homies is, vote, I know a gang of Washington's, but they ain't a pale face among them. I've seen a million people play, Washington play sports, not a pale face among them. So if you ever find one white dude with the last name, Washington, let me know and I'll let you know. Have a good one, Bo.

Hey, man. I don't know you, but I love you, brother. Take it easy. I feel like I just talked to bizarro Mike. Yes. To have a good one? It's like we're talking to Mike. I appreciate him calling it.

So I've heard people mention this, that all those Washington, Jefferson, like they became presidents and then suddenly there were no white people that had these names. Why Washington, very famously didn't have it. Kids. I did not know that until you said it. No kids. Interesting. But he's right about that. All these stalwart white people names, they ain't none of them left. Yeah. But we out here. We out here. I love also that like word has drifted through the town of the presence of the white reggies. Including the transplant reggae. Right. Like like Bigfoot.

Yes. Like yo, I'll say just so you know, if you hear about no, no, no, still a. we're still good. Still, there has not been some sort of giant change, but yes, this was the white reggie episode of this show. I, and I ain't going to lie. I appreciate it. Happy Martin Luther King guy.

Yes, yes, yes, we bring the world together. Hey, look, I'm just glad to be reminded that I still got that demo in the audience. You know what I'm saying? Like, when I was in North Carolina, I heard from them all the time. We had to follow, you know, called, I don't hear from as much these days, man. So shout out to all y'all for holling at your boy. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on the right time. We do this four times a week.

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