The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Burrow's fatal flaw. Tom Brady's bizarre behavior, Michael Vick to Virginia Tech? | 0917

Episode Date: September 17, 2025

Charles McDonald of Yahoo Sports joins Bomani Jones. First, they discuss Joe Burrow's injury and whether his aggressive play style is potentially to blame. Later, they react to Tom Brady's weird post-career decision to be both an NFL broadcaster and part-owner of the Las Vegas Raiders. They also discuss the potential ban on the Tush-push and the possibility of Michael Vick becoming the next coach at Virginia Tech. 00:00 - Introduction 01:20 - Falcons take down Vikings 06:00 - Remember when Dak Prescott got his ass whipped? 09:00 - Is Joe Burrow to blame for his continued injuries? 32:20 - Tom Brady has too many jobs 49:25 - Michael Vick to Virginia Tech? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original. My name is Beaumani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is that time of week where we have a guest joining us.

Check him out at Yahoo Sports. Charles McDonald was going on. Nothing much. Good to be here, especially coming off a big national TV, Falcons win this weekend, you know, beating down on that Minnesota Vikings. So I think this is the first time that I've had something positive to say about the Falcons around you. So that was a, nice way to cap the weekend off. Yeah, we're going to get to that. The first point I'm going to make is I'm going to do everything I can. I guess it doesn't have to come up too much anymore. I'm

going to call you Charles McDonald and not Charles Robinson because I'm totally the guy at this point of my life where I'm playing the neighborhood play on all these names. Poor Justin Jefferson, I call him his brother's name like I'm his mama. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know. Like those of you who don't understand me calling Justin Jefferson, Joy in Jefferson, clearly if you are a man, you don't have a brother because this is just how it works from time to time. If it's two of y'all,

you're going to get called by the other night. I will say right fast about the Falcons, I was watching the game against the Vikings, and I had to text you. And I was like, yo, Falcons is out here looking like, bam, a dog. They was out here jumping routes. They was getting heat. And I'm looking like, Vikings, you're okay?

Because look, I know they spent a lot on this defense, right? Three first round picks on two rookie edge rushers because they traded up for James Pierce. Then they added Xavier Watson, Billy Bowman on day two as a draft to play safety and nickel for them. So you took one of the worst defenses in football last year and you added four rookies and Divine Diablo, who's like a dirtyman linebacker kind of guy from the Raiders. Shouldn't be whipping you all that bad, you know? I'm a little excited about where they are after that game.

But if I was a Vikings fans, I'd be freaking out because their backup offensive linemen in there who were for Darisaw and Ryan Kelly, the center, they can't get it done. Jason McCarthy clearly is not ready to get it done when the circumstances are not perfect around him. So that's a red alert for the Vikings to be more than it really is like a big cheering on for the Falcons. Yo, I think it could get really weird for them. McCarthy is now hurt. Maybe you know off the top of your head who that means is going to beat a quarterback. Carson Wentz.

Oh, that's right. I did see Prince Harry on the sideline. That's right. Yeah. Right? He started. I don't think I fully realize how much Carson Wentz looked like Prince Harry until I saw him on the sideline of that game.

And I was like, what's Prince Harry doing there? And I was like, damn, wait a minute. Is that Carson Wentz? I saw something he's about to break a record for like most like most consecutive seasons starting a game for a different team. I think he's about his six teams and six seasons since that Eagles sent on it. And honestly, you could have told me that he hasn't played since Jalen Herbs took his job, and I would also believe that too.

Okay. So he has played for the Eagles. He has played for the Chiefs. He has played for the Colts. He is now playing for the Vikings. Who are the other two? Oh, the commanders was one. Oh, that's right.

And then the last one, was he, the Rams like the zombie year when they had Baker and stuff like that? Yes, he was. Yes, he was. Yes, he was. Yeah. Yo, so what's wild about this is, I never thought he was terrible.

Like, he is a clear example of what happens when people don't like you that much. Because you can figure this out in some other way. Like, I mean, he lost his job to Jalen hurts. By the way, he's shot. He should have lost his job in Jalen Hertz. But Jalen Hertz is get the job and keep it guy, not I ran you off your corner guy. Right.

He ran, he ran about, in fact, wasn't that part of what we were thinking is that part of what got Doug Peterson fired? Was that he was like, no, no, no, we go on with this dude. And they was like, what are you crazy? And then look what happened. Yeah, I mean, it really is fascinating, though, because, dude, I remember, oh, shoot, I mean, I was about to say it feels like the other day, but this is what? eight years ago now when people doing the Wentz versus DAC Wars and uh, like Carson got a big contract extension. Like that was market rate at the time. Like you said, he wasn't bad, but the thing is like his body just died on him because he was such a, he was a powerhouse,

like athlete, uh, big arm fast, but, you know, not the most like, uh, I guess detailed guy sometimes between the numbers because like that last season he had, that was huge. They were really only good on third down, but shoot, that's enough to, you know, leading the offense that can get you somewhere close to the Super Bowl. And then all the injuries happen. And then people's like, eh, all he tolerated you because you had the big arm and you're running four or five. Now that's not you're not doing that no more. You might got to get out of here. All time weird quarterback draft 2016. Jared Goff, Carson Wentz of the top two picks, a gentleman that some of you may not even remember, but probably don't. Paxton Lynch. The first round pick that Stephen Jones

had to save Jerry from taking, who was out of the league in like 30, 45 minutes. I can't even remember exactly what. I don't think he had 150 passing attempts in the NFL. Yo, hold on. I forgot who else was in this draft? Christian Hakenberg. Yeah. Oh, wow.

Connor Cook, I forgot. But the guy, the guy who turned out to be the guy. Dag Prescott, fourth round pick. Hold on. Jacobi Brissette was a third round pick in that draft. Cody Kessler was a third round pick in that draft. Then we get to countercook. And, yeah, Dack Prescott, who I have tried to figure out for a long time how it is that he slipped that far in the draft, like two-time first team, all SEC quarterback, had the size, has the physical tools.

And I think it just really came down to one thing. And some of you're going to say he caught a DUI, and that's part of it. But you know what it was. Which is funny because he's got the temperament that they like, you know. Yeah. Yeah, but we got it. Hold on. Hold on. For those of you who don't know the thing that I'm talking about,

the white boys whooped his ass at Panama City Beach during spring break one time, but it was caught on video. I mean, they whooped his ass. And I feel like it was the, it was the fair one, though. Like, I don't want to say they whipped his ass like he got jumped. He squared up and just got his ass kicked. And you just had to decide whether that was a man that you could follow into battle. Which is fair, because I honestly,

I swear someone brings up that video. to me at least twice a year. And that happened 10 years ago, dog. Like he was, it was a legendary ass whoop. But the Jack Prescott pick is, is fascinating me because it was kind of like they just said, okay, I guess we'll do it. Because for those who don't remember with the draft that year, that was the last year that teams weren't allowed to take or weren't allowed to trade their compensatory picks. Like if you have free agent who signed somewhere to another team, the following year, you get a pick. So the Cowboys, they had this fourth round compensatory pick that they couldn't trade. So they just,

tried to get Paxton Lynch, couldn't do it. They tried to trade for Connor Cook, couldn't do it. So they're sitting here with this fourth round pick that they can't trade. They need a backup for Tony Romo. You're like, all right, let's just take that Prescott. He's the last one. And he took his job. Also, they had, everybody says the greatest thing to have is a young quarterback that's good on a cost control contract. And they had that. And that Prescott was like, enough of that. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm getting every dime of surplus. And shout out to Ryan for letting us know

it was at a Waka Flaka Flame concert that Dack Prescott got tuned up by those Caucasians. Not at the Walker concert. You can fight it to walk a concert, but you can't get beat up by white people at the WAC. I guess that means that DAC ain't got no hands. Okay. You get it?

I get it. I get it. Yeah. Yeah. I've heard that song before. Yeah. I'm 31. That's very much my era. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fair. It's wild to think how old that song gets out. But you know, just that throw it out there. No hands. But we got to there because we were talking about J.J. McCarthy being hurt. And it's already week three. And we got a lot to talk about with quarterbacks being hurt. It looks like Jayton Daniels might not play in week three. Joe Burrow looks like he won't play in 2025. We got Brock Purdy. He looks like he's going to be out for a minute. I've seen a few people try to hypothesize exactly why it is that all the quarterbacks are getting hurt. I don't have the answer, put that right there. I do think the Joe Burrow one is interesting because Joe Burrow,

and I'm curious what you think about this, you as somebody that knows more actual football than I do. what I remember the first time I saw like the 2019 LSU Joe Burrow. I watched him play one series early in the season. And I was like, oh, okay, if they beat Alabama, they're going to win the national championship. And he's going to be the number one picking the draft and he's going to win the husband.

And what I saw was a dude that moved really well in the pocket, like not running fast, but he dropped back. he move up, he go to the side, he keep his eyes down the field, he do all of those things and he get it done. But that is also a more positive end of one of the more damning characteristics the quarterback can have, which is, takes too long to throw, right? He holds the ball for a long time. He gets great results in holding the ball for a long time, right? He can overcome it. And normally, you need to be like a Cam Newton, huge physical specimen to be the guy that overcomes holding the ball for that long. No, Joe Burrow does it by getting it done just in time and being

willing to get the dog shit knocked out of him in the process. And this is going to shock you, but he misses a lot of games. Now, I've seen people who blame the Bengals for not investing in the offensive line, which is a fair point somewhat, right? It does take us back to one of the great dilemmas. The Lions and the Bengals in the same season in the first round took probable Hall of Famers in Jamar Chase and Panais Sewell. And no matter how good Jamar Chase is, is it's always been fair to ask if they took the wrong guy just because Joe Burrow keeps getting knocked around. But the point I want to make, and it's a point that if you listen to this show, you know I make all the time. Sacks are a quarterback stack. He takes a lot of sacks and

he'll do that if he is playing behind an eight-man offensive line because he's always going to be back there waiting. But I also don't know how much they put around him. Like, is this just going to be what it is you think with him? I think I think this is probably just what it is with him for the future. I mean, the thing with Joe is like, he's tried the, I'm not going to drop back there and get beat up when it was early last season. And I think part of the season before when he was coming off the wrist injury. And it doesn't work for him. You know, he turns into like this ultra conservative thrown for three yards of pass. It just doesn't fit with his play style. Which is, which is kind of interesting because it's not like he has like the big arm. He's just, he's just got like

good armed talent, I guess, where you can just kind of put in spots where he needs to. But like that lack of like high end physical talent, like, there's a reason why like Lamar and Josh Allen can play like that. They don't really miss games, you know, because they've got the talent to get away from those hits and not take the big hits. But Joe, when it gets to sit in duck mode and he's waiting at one last second for Jamar Chase to hit like the, to pass that second defender window so he can go off for a seven-yard touchdown, that's when he's getting crushed.

And especially when they got the backup offensive lineman in, who's, you know, they got, they got torched by Jacksonville in the first half. It's just, I just think this is probably always what's going to be, but it's not like you can get rid of that. So as long as you can just mitigate some of the damage of front and just keep spamming picks until offensive line and hope those guys stay healthy,

it's about all you can do because I don't really know where else you would go from here. Well, let me add, this is, this is to me the interesting Joe Burrow question, and I say this as a guy who enjoys Joe Burrow. Like, Joe Burrow is all good with me, right? I like his get down. I like the way he plays.

I just want to point out that I have never seen Joe Burrow be successful without excellent talent to get the ball to, right? It's not his fault that he has excellent talent. And I'm not sure that everybody could do as well as he can with the excellent talent that we're discussing. But look, man, it is entirely possible that we'll look back at 2019 LSU as having three Hall of Famers on offense, a quarterback and two wide receivers. Like, it almost, it almost was like a foregone conclusion.

He was throwing it. Imagine if somebody in the NFL was throwing to Jamar Chase and Justin Jefferson, who, if I'm not mistaken, it might have even been like the number three receiver on that team, right? He was definitely number two. Yeah. Yeah. Right.

But that's what he had. And what we saw was maybe the greatest college offense that. there has ever been. That first year with the Bengals, before he got hurt, it was cool, but it sure looked a lot different once Jamar Chase showed up again, right? And then it's Jamar Chase and it's T. Higgins,

and Joe Mixing was still giving you something in the backfield. Tyler Wood was a wide receiver three for a little bit. He still had something in the tank, you know? Right. So the question to be asked is, I think it's fair to say or to question whether or not the Bengals have over-invested in receivers, You know, in a salary cap sport, right?

We were like, you got to give the money to T. Hendrickson, but they were like, hey, they decided to give the money to T. Higgins. So how do we figure this out? But, and I want to be very clear about this. I'm not out here saying that the Bengals know what they're doing, right? I don't want you to think that I'm, I don't want you to think that I'm automatically that's not something crazy now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Don't think, don't, like, that's one of those blink two times if you okay, Beaumani. Y'all been listening to this show. You know how I feel about this. But what if the Bengals decided that actually Joe Burrow is in the category of the Kirk Cousinses in that you need to get it cracking around them to really make it happen? Which is ultimately fine because you have proof that this can, like, you have proof that, you know, if I got Joe Burrow and a dude or two on the outside, we can have the best passing game. Right. Like pretty comfortably. I mean, you do even, like what's kind of messed up and fun about.

the Bengals as someone who's not a Bengals fan is their defense being so bad has just produced like some incredible like fevered hero ball from Burrow Chase and Higgins where they're just like bro we got to have it on this drive every drive like the charge the Chargers game last year where Justin Herber had a big game against their defense and then eventually Jamar Chase and T. Higgins said no no no no no we're the superstars here we got to drag it across the finish line but that's not really a sustainable way to like win games it's fun to watch but when you get down to it their defense just isn't good enough. Before, you know, the Jaguars, Jaguared out and couldn't do that, couldn't finish the game

as they wanted to. They were moving the ball pretty well. And then, like, Joe Flack won the Brown to move in the ball pretty well, too. So it's kind of hard to parse, like, where do you go with your resources here? Because obviously, like, he needs an offensive line help if he's going to be the guy that's going to play like he is, and that's the best way for him to utilize his talent. So you got to honestly, like, continue to enforce that by getting off into the linemen. But, man, this defense, like, dude, you know, you might start a little bit.

Mar Jacksoner, Derek Henry. So I guess you got to keep trying to score 40 points a game. It's a tough life to live. Yeah, but you got to, at the very least, you got to go get that, get a tackle left or right, right? Yeah. Like, as I talked about this on the show, I could be wrong, man, but I feel like the hit rate on them tackles is high, man. They drafted one last year, but he was hurt this week. Marius Mills from Georgia.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that was the thing of Georgia, like, he was hurt a lot. When he's on the field, he's incredible. But you got to be on the field, bro. Yeah. So one thing that's always interesting about the Bengals, and historically, they were known for drafting Big Ten players

because they did not invest in scouts. So they just got got, they drafted a lot of guys that were very close. But you would think that for a school that was as decidedly cheap, or not a school, but a team that's as decidedly cheap as they are, you would think their college game would be so on point, right? Because they got to get the most out of these cats. when they don't cost no money. No, it doesn't really seem to go that way.

But it feels like everybody else sees a left tackle, gets a left tackle. Problem solved, right? The what you might call them? The Chargers, they drafted two left tackles in four years. Yeah, yeah, it did. And look, I should rephrase some of what I said about the Bengals, because it's not like they haven't tried to put defenders into, or tried to put resources into this defense where, you know,

you've seen the talent walk out over the years guys like jesse bates in Atlanta dj reader jermaine pratt who has some good years for them um so they've tried you know they've got two first round picks on the defensive line in charmer stewart and miles murphy since then uh they've got another second round pick and chris jrnkins jr that's second round pick at linebacker demetrius night they've got a multitude of first second and third round picks in the defensive backfield and this is all in like the past three or four years so they have really really tried to put talent they just missed like every single, like every single pick that they've tried on defense they've missed so far. It's in the past three or four years. So they got to keep playing big 12 ball, you know? That's all they got.

So I'm throw a couple things out here for people. If you did not know this about Ameri's Mims. Here are his dimensions from the combine. Six foot seven and three quarters, 340 pounds, and had the nerve to run a 5.07.7. in the 40. That is terrifying. Did you see, what was his name? Josh Simmons, when he went and got that dude on the interception in the, in the Chiefs Eagles game, and Josh Simmons is

the Chief's rookie left tackle. He went to Ohio State. And one of my favorite things in the NFL is anything that allows one of these linemen to have to like stretch it out or run for like, like get the, where the height matters, right? And so they're stretching those legs out and they have time to get up some speed.

Hey, man, I can't imagine how much it hurt that dude to catch that shoulder and them thighs when that big old dude. Bro, he tours Patelotan in less than a year ago. Like, that is the crazy thing to me. Like, he was, out of Ohio State last year, he toured his Patelotan in, like,

October or November in the middle of their season. And, you know, because Nate Tyson, who did the show with football 301, we were kind of looking at him to summer. Like, man, he's a freak athlete. Like, one of these ones of those guys, like, an Adrian Peterson type where, oh, you know, I'm Wolverine.

I'm back in the second. And then he was back. full participant for the first day of full pads of Chief's training camp. I was like, what? I used to know Patelot, Tedman Terrer is like a career under. And he's back in like 10 months, full, full speed, full pads? Like, no, that was built different. But that's one guy.

Get pad about, you know, a few more of those. And maybe we can start talking about the chiefs getting back to where they used to be. Because I hate watching it now. I hate it. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we talked about this. It feels like work. Like I say, it's like watching your favorite artists a little bit up past a prime.

But I want to ask this right fast about the Bengals, though. Perhaps the solution is, I feel like they don't have nearly as many arrestable players as they used to. Is that what it feels like? Like, I don't feel like we talk about them. Like maybe they need to start getting some cats living on the edge a little bit more, right? Like, Vontes Burfick, who by the way is coaching people now, he did not count as arrestable, but he played football as though he was arrestable. If I am not mistaken, I saw that Vontes Burfitt was coaching somewhere now.

Let me look this up to make sure. sure that I have not completely lost my mind. But I saw him doing something that I was like, there's no way that Vontes Perfect is doing this. At UNLV? Yes, he is. He's a defensive analyst. That's right. My bad. I did not get this wrong. Of course, maybe the argument is the only place that you can get Vontes Perfect as a coach is in Las Vegas. But Paul, Paul Gunther, former defensive coordinator at the Bengals, brought Burp. That tells you that Vontes Burfing is one of these guys

that if you know him, you just love him. Yes, yes, yes. If he's your guy, he's your guy. And there's nothing that anyone can say, look, I know what you saw is bad, but trust me, like, once you get around him a little bit, like, it'll be okay, it'll be okay. And Burfick was fascinating because I remember watching,

like, he was one of the first, like, YouTube athletes that, like, we kind of, like, got captured with as far as people my generation just try to figure out, you know, what's out there. And I thought that, because I remember so specifically, there's this video, the highlight video, like, Fonte's Burrific, because could he be the next Ray Lewis?

And you watch those clips, you're like, shoot, I don't know, maybe, maybe he could. And then he came out at the combine and ran five second 40, dog. He is the best player. He's the best college player I've ever seen that the entire league said, thanks to

as I recall he made it all the way to the end yeah he was undrafted he was undrafted and he was a first team all American as a junior

and he I mean he got invited to the combine he was amazing he was a really good college player yes no I can not imagine first of all I can't imagine what it was like to try to coach him

and he had this pension for these illegal hit that, of course, the most memorable thing that he did in his time in Cincinnati was on that. It was that last drive against the Steelers that may or may not have changed Antonio Brown's life forever. But it was the end of that game. They had A.J. McCarran, that quarterback, I remember, and they were set up to win it. And I'm talking about how the Bengals used to have arrestable players. And, I mean, they really used to have arrestable players. But their thing was they like shopping for bargains and they get a lot of open box specials.

They get dudes that was on the edge in ways that, depending on who you were talking about, were okay. And some of them were absolutely indefensible. But anyway, the end of that game was Jeremy Hill making a fumble. Pac-Man Jones losing it completely at the end. And Vontes Burfitt catching that 15-yard penalty. The three most bangle bangles on the whole team, the most bangle bangles that they had, and they all fell apart.

At the worst time. That reminds me a couple of weeks ago, I've been reading about Chris Henry Jr. You know, late Chris Henry. His son is a monster football player. But I was reading something that Pac-Man Jones had been raised. That's right. He's like his playday. Yeah.

And I was like, I was like, huh, that's interesting, isn't it? And then I also read over the past few years, T.J. Hushman's eyes been getting a little bit more involved in, you know, helping him train and get ready for. you know, football stuff. So I was like, I would love to know, like, what some of the conversations were there between T.J. and Pac-Man, about steering this young man. Well, look, man, that's because Chris Henry appears to be another.

You just got to be around him. And if you are, you'll come to love this guy, right? That's how it goes. By the way, check this text I just sent you. I think it may be an explanation for the change in direction for Vantez Burfey. Just like, just. Hold on.

I'm going to send you another one. I believe that that sometimes when you get changes like these, it'll leave us with more explanation. We all got a couple of homies like that, man. Yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying? I can't say this out loud, right? It's not fair to say out loud, but that is exactly it. We all got a couple homies that I'll give you another example of this on text.

And people was like, yo, man, y'all was. wrong and I'm like, no, something changed. And I think I know what it was. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So sometimes you guys, some of those friends you guys say, hey, why don't you put down some of these drinking and some of this other stuff? So we get this right, you know?

Yeah. It's like, hey, man, let me run some by you here. You know what I'm saying? But, no, that's, I think the Bengals need to get back to their roots. You know what I'm saying? Like that. Little edge, the luster edge. Yeah. That is, that is, they, they, they, they, they, they forgot what they was, they forgot what they was in it for.

Because that thing about Mike Brown, Mike Brown, um, he got like a father Flanagan sort of, uh, sort of vibe. You know what I mean? Like, like, he wants to, he wants to save the day. Though in real life, everything about him indicates that he doesn't care about saving these people at all. At all. They had like a scouting department with like four people. That's right. That's right. But also, yeah, but also, Mike Brown's politics do not imply that he is here in the name of the betterment of these hard scrabble youths. I will say, I will say, if you want to get a good laugh, the website open secrets, if you ever look up Mike Brown and his donations, boy, he's stingy, even the people he likes. It's hilarious. Even the people he likes, it's a drop in the bucket, dog. I got a good. good laugh. Go look up Mike Brown's Open Secrets,

political nation. It's very funny. He's a penny picture, man. He doesn't give it to anybody. Anyway, this is a billionaire, dog. A billionaire. I mean, to be fair, though, he's a billionaire, but the money is all in the bankers. Right, right, right, right. Right, like, that's the one thing I do say is he is only a billionaire because he owns the Bengals, right?

Like, that's the, that's it. Oh, oh, hold on. he gave okay he gave $1,700 to leave the grail I'm sorry I'm sorry he gave him

and I don't know how this works he gave him $5,000 and that same day took back 1,700 of him right

that's what I'm saying he's just like this he's just like this it's not just about you yeah Bengals don't even Bengals fans don't even take it

personally like he's out here you know people he wants to win elections he's He's pulling back donations, you know? Now, hold on. There's a Mike Brown in Cincinnati who is listed as not employed who gave $250 to

Kamala Harris. I don't think that that is the same, Mike Brown. Nope, this other one is listed as Cincinnati Bengals. This, by the way, is why, first of all, I got a number of reasons I don't give nobody money. But I know why this has to be public, but I feel like it shouldn't. Yeah, yeah. You know? It probably shouldn't be, but it's funny.

No, no, the problem is, like, the people, You know, it should be. It should be probably. Yeah. My thing is this, the type of people I would give money to, man, I'd never get a job again. Like, for me, for somebody to have politics to make me actually give them money. Ready? Man. Yeah.

I'd be canceled dictum right now. Look, I ain't giving it, like, I ain't giving money, my money anyway just because whatever I give them, it ain't going to change nothing, right? I'm not going to give you enough to get me no sway. And therefore, I'm not going to give you a. enough to change anything that you do. So you go ahead and you make that happen. I feel like when you go to the Met now, they don't charge you.

They just let you make a donation. And the first time I was there, I gave them the full donation because I feel like I got, you know, I got it. I'm doing this. Then I stopped and thought about how much they stole from Africa. That's what I'm saying. I was like, what am I doing? I'm doing.

I'm looking at the Matt damn penny. What are I doing? This is the last thing I was saying about the Met before we go to break. I always say about the Met because you've never been in the Met, Metropolitan Museum, 801. and Fifth Avenue in New York City. The Met has an incredible

Egyptian exhibit. Like it is mind-blowing how dope the Egyptian exhibit is. And it leaves me at a bit of a dilemma where I'm always like it is so terrible that they took this stuff from the people that belonged to, they can easily give it back all this stuff. It is ridiculous.

It is just terribly unfair that it is in this museum. But what is not terrible is that that museum is a 15 minute bus ride away from my house. That part is actually pretty nifty. So I can go in there and give them a peace of my mind

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that John Madden brought in is that prior to John Madden, the broadcasters who just show up the day of the game and then go call them. And then John Madden said, there's no way that I could properly discuss a team on television without having seen them practice and without having met with the coaches. And so the broadcast teams now get time to meet with the coaches and they like talk about stuff. Oh yeah. Oh, you know, it's like when the broadcasters are like, look out for this guy. He was practicing this week. The coaches like they get information that other people don't get because it's with the understanding that you're not going to say anything about it until you get on television, right? Like it's a safe space is the way that we'll put it. And so there's this thing.

that stuff too, you know. Right. And so Tom Brady last year couldn't go to those meetings. And couldn't do that stuff because he's the, he is a part owner of the Raiders. And so they change those rules a little bit. I don't know exactly how it goes, but it raised questions when you see Tom Brady with the headset on that he, through this time and through doing these games, he will be talking to people who work for teens that are then going to play for the Raiders. right he's going to have access to a certain intel that is fair to ask whether or not he should have it and so you got a lot of questions from people who saw him in the box with the headset during the game about that fact Charles I don't know about you my question about it was how

annoyed are you or if you were Chip Kelly because that just feels meddlesome it does feel meddlesome and I but I just don't understand what what's going on here with this like with Tom and general. It just seems like he's got his hand in so much stuff right now. And it's funny because he said, you said, like, it seems complicated when, you know, when he's got these conflicts of interest. But he seems to be able to make it very uncomplicated by just walk into a room and going, I'm Tom Brady. And that's, that works. And that's about it. Because like last year, he's talking to Ben Johnson when the Raiders is about to have a head coaching vacancy, and he's broadcasting the game.

I'm like, you can't do that. Like, that's not fair. And if you read the reporting, you know, on the athletic about their acquisition of Gino Smith, the Raiders acquisition of Gino Smith, Todd was very, very involved in that in helping them, like, decide that Gino was the quarterback that they should go after to maximize whatever this peak carol window is going to be.

So, you know, this is someone who is already reported to be very, very, like, involved in, like, the big decision-making processes now with the Raiders. And now he's, like, wearing a headset during a game and he's going to go call another game this weekend. But, you know, he smiles and he shows us seven Super Bowl rings. And it seems like that seems to win a lot of decision-makers over as far as allowing him to break the rules. Because I don't know, like, if Greg Olson decides to start doing this, I don't know

if we'll go all that well for him. But, you know, for Tom Brady, it's a charmed life. I'll tell you what. First of all, Greg Olsey, they got no give me, get a piece of team money. Let's just go ahead and throw that out there. If Greg also get that money, it's because he hit the goddamn powerball, in which case he ain't going to be announcing no games, right?

Let's start there, okay? Number two, I am amazed at the way that everybody is bending over backwards to create a circumstance where Tom Brady can be a mediocre color commentator. Because at least as of now, he's not especially good at it. I do think he's good when he goes

on with Colin, right? And he kind of gives his read on the state of the league or whatever because he's so passionate about it. I think my criticism of him as a color commentator is it's just too important to him, right? Like, it's a game to us. He's not having any fun at all when he's up there watching that game and talking about it. Like with Baker Mayfield made that point, which I thought was a fair one, that it was a little looser after Tom left Tampa. Tom was like, I thought the point was to win championships. I mean, damn, yeah. I hear you, brother. I do.

But at the same time, you have to, like, you got to understand this. So he's there for Fox. They're paying him a zillion dollars. It's not particularly enjoyable for anybody, especially not Greg Olson. And so they've been, like all these, it's just the idea, I guess, of being able to say that Tom Brady is on the broadcast.

But, damn, really? I don't care about that, man. I don't care about that. No, no, I don't care about that. Though I don't care about that. And I want to say this to be fair to Brady about not being that good at the job that he has right now. And it's something that I thought about when I was doing game theory for HBO, which is we did two seasons of game theory. We did 16 episodes. And that meant that I got to do a television show like that a grand total of 17 times.

Like the only chance that you actually have to practice is with the whole world. world watching. And so back in the day, like, take a guy like Phil Sims, for example, Phil Zims had gotten himself up to the point of being in the number one broadcast team, but that is not where he started. He started doing like the one o'clock kickoffs, just like everybody else and then gradually, you know, moved himself up. That's where these cats used to go. That's not it anymore. Like the dudes that they want, they walk in and boom, Tony Romo, you're starting off on the number one team. You remember when Jason Witten was out there, he was so bad he went and played football again. I forgot about that.

I totally forgot about that. Yeah. And they said he tested really well. But you have no other opportunity to practice doing that job except in front of the whole world. And Tom Brady ain't got no time to be practicing. He's too busy. Owing a team. And I would like to say one last thing.

I can only take this to mean he really needs the money. Because why else are you doing all this, man? Why not just be the owner and just hang out? out. I don't know. Yeah, like, I don't know what decisions he's made with his money, you know, his old queen, she had all the dough or whatever, but like, this is, they gave you 5% of an NFL team,

but you can't cash that check. But it's a different 5% because Mark Davis is so tired of making mistakes on his own that Tom gets to make like real decisions. You get, he's playing mad and like he gets to have a stake in the team without like the real financial risk that, you know, someone like Mark Davis would be taking.

And it's, it's, it's, it's, it's crazy. And now, but like, now, now I feel like I'm getting, I'm getting slapped over the head with this stuff. Because why do I need to know that he's playing flag football on Saudi Arabia? Like what? Yo. Hey man. What's going on there? Again, this is making me raise questions.

I, either he's really, that's a good one. That's a good one. Me money. Either he's really greedy or he's got bills, right? Like, these is the only, and if you have not seen this, there's going to be some all-time great flag football league. And by the way, now that, now that nothing matters in the world, anymore and we don't care about these things. These guys can go over there, Miles Garrett,

Justin Jefferson. There's a lot of big time current players, Rob Gronkowski, who is not a current player, obviously, but they're going to go over there and play flag football in Saudi Arabia. And it wasn't that long ago that we would be up in the grill about doing such a thing. And we had all of these questions about live golf. Nothing matters anymore. They're going to go play flag football in Saudi Arabia.

And I bet everybody's getting eight figures for it at least. And people are going to watch too. I'm not me. I'm, I'm, I'm staying away from that. But people are good. Well, help me with this. If it's flag football, why we need Miles Garrett? Because he's going over there to play.

You got to ask them. Miles Garrett is taking a check? I don't know. I don't watch it. I don't understand that. Like, that just doesn't. Now, that's something I might be interested in watching, watching Miles Garrett catch a pass against someone, but only like two plays.

Like, I'm not, you can't be. locked in on that. That's like a, if it gets on Twitter, I'll watch that then, you know. That is, I think, as far as I will go on it. But I was just thinking, there's no way that Pete Carroll and Chip Kelly want this. Like, they're doing their best job of selling like, yeah, okay, whatever. But why do you need to be on the headset? That is the same way I feel about Carly Ursay, Gordon, who is the new owner of the cults. You just Marseille's daughter. Ursaid left the team to his three daughters. She's the one that, like, calls shots. And I thought it was interesting that she said that she wanted to be on the headset,

like early because she needed to know what kind of coaches she had, right? Yeah. I thought that made a really interesting interview that she had about it. Yeah. I thought it made sense for a week, though. Yeah. Like, it can't be like this all the time. Right. That, that, that feels meddlesome. If Jerry Jones was on the headset, on the sideline, talk about I need to hear what kind of man my coach is. We would not act like that was nifty. We would not act like that was cool. Because even if you're not saying anything, it's just it's your presence that is,

it's a little bit too much. Because the Earth's the name again, Carly. Carly. Yes, she actually says some cool stuff about how she was learning a lot about like play calls and how they go in and some of the adjustments that are made on the fly as play calls come in. But like, you could go to a meeting and learn some of that stuff, you know? You don't have to, you don't have to sit here on Sunday on the sideline with the headhead on just kind of walk through the sidelines listening to all the coaches talk.

And I'm sure that it's been enlightening for her. And maybe it will help them make, you know, help her make more decisions in a more productive manner for the organization as things go along here. But you could save that for another day. I don't know. I don't know what, like if you're Pete Carroll, right, and you have coached so many different winning organizations across your time as a coach, you know, different teams taking different forms.

Why do I need to listen to Tom Brady? You know, Chip Kelly, he's, you know, he's gotten to the NFL head coaching ranks, you know, got to UCLA, had the cachet to say, nope, I'm done with his head coaching stuff. I'm about to go be the OC at Ohio State. Why do I need Tom Brady on the head? So, like, what value is he really adding that couldn't be added on Monday for two seconds? That's the, that's, I think, the point. not that Tom Brady doesn't have anything to contribute.

Yeah. But we up here, we up here doing our jobs right now, bro. Like, I take that to mean that Tom Brady, I feel like he bored, right? Yes, I'll never forget. When I was in college,

I participated on the Honda Campus All-Star Challenge quiz bowl team, right? You know, I was a beast. Anyway, We had won a national championship of some sorts. And so they honored us at halftime of a football game, which I will be honest, made me feel a little bit embarrassed, right?

But people were very proud of us, apparently. Like, okay, cool. So I'm sitting there with a dude that was on a team with me, and he was a dude that was in the band, but for that semester for some reason, he was not participating with the band. And I'll just, this stuck with me forever.

Like, I actually found this would be very profound, as that I'm next to him. And he looks at me and he says, this is the first time that I have ever been at a football game without an instrument. He had no idea what to do with himself if he was at a football game and he was not playing the xylophone or the instrument that he played. Like he had no idea what to do. And I feel like that must be Tom Brady, right?

Like he's at these games and at least the microphone gives him something to do. Like I now imagine that when he's calling these games, like his insides, It's like the fighting temptations in there. He has no clue what in the world he's supposed to do at a football game if he's not actually part of the action. So now here he is getting in on the headset. Yeah. That's kind of like what I don't.

I guess it's not what I kind of don't like, what I don't like about Tom as a broadcaster and even like some other broadcasters where it feels like every play needs to be like a breakdown of something. Like, hey, man, just keep it moving. I don't mean, you know, you know, you don't need to draw it up like when it's a three-ar game or explain like every little detail what happened. Because sometimes it starts bleeding into the next play. And it's just, it just kind of, it's boring to watch.

Like I remember when I stopped playing college football and I started doing media work. Like I have some of my friends be like, you know, you watch film like for fun? Like that used to be the most boring part of all of this. I'm like, yeah, I know. I know. It's really not that interesting and it's not good on a broadcast either. So, like, I like Gary Danielson is my favorite broadcasting, like, has been forever. Because he's, he's does, he's such a good job, like, blending.

Like, here's a quick, like, two second X-Nos thing, like every four plays. But most of the time, I'm here to make a burn chunk. And that was a great broadcast for me. But somebody feels too serious now. Well, so this is what I think. I'm curious what you think about the distinction I'm going to try to make. There is a difference between teaching and explaining, right? And so what you're talking about, and I do think I see this from a lot of guys,

they use a little bit too much jargon, right? Oh, man, we got a three-man shell here. It's a two safe, two eyes, save, that I. Look, I like Dan and Lou, Lou Rinnick or in Olasky. I liked their work, but last night, I'm like, whoa, boy, you bring out the jargon. Yeah, yeah, they were doing a little too much. But, I mean, the God MC is John Matt, right? And for the people who were too young to get anything close to prime John Matt,

Even non-prime John Madden was it, but that is the guy to MC of doing this. And the thing that made Madden so good you have to remember is that Madden derives from a time where the archetype of a coach was not so much a CEO, but was an actual factual teacher, right? And so John Madden felt like a teacher at your school. And when he did get in to explain, he had the clicker and everything else, he wasn't saying what happened. He was showing you, hey, cool thing about football. This is a zone dog. This is what you do on a zone dog. Now watch the zone dog.

And they're like, oh, okay. I get where you're coming from, right? Like I think that's the key is you need to be, you need to know how to teach your audience. And in a way, people only care if you know more than them if you're willing to share. Right?

Yes. If you're not sharing, they resent you. But if you're making it something, we can all participate in. It's like, yo, I got more food that I know what to do with. Everybody likes that guy. You know what I'm saying? But they just over there watching you eat, nobody likes that guy.

Yeah. Well, see, that's why, like, I used, I had a lot of people used to tell me I was crazy back in the day when I said, like, Gary Danielson, I will watch any game that he broadcasts. And people are like, oh, you know, but he's, you know, kind of slow. Like, though, if you listen, you will learn so much about, like, playing quarterback when Gary's on there because it's not an overflow of information, but he'll like over the course of a game, he'd be like, oh, you know, so they were running this coverage earlier and bang, now they can run a switch up switch up route here and they got loose for a touchdown. But he keeps it lighthearted too

and he keeps it moving along. That's kind of what you need to get back to because I do feel like football coverage in general has gotten very serious sometimes. And I like the data and the numbers and stuff like that. I use a lot in my work, but, you know, it's still a game. You know, you should be able to have a little bit of fun and laugh at what's going on without every play or every drive or every game minions, it's some referendum on the end of the world. Like some of the stuff I'm seeing two weeks into this season, I'm like, bro, y'all needs to take a damn breath. Like, we got 15 weeks ago. Yeah, sports broadcast in general, but football broadcast in particular, I really just want to watch this game. I don't need that much data, right? Like I think in a number

of ways, we are really overrun with data. It's data all over the screen, you got a ticker at the bottom, depending upon what network you're watching. I don't need, and I get why they do it, right? But the game does then often feel secondary, and then as the game is going on, I don't, I don't watch football or enjoy it as a puzzle to be solved, though I am often intrigued by how the puzzle works. I don't, like, that's not why I'm watching it. I'm watching it for a good time. I want to throw something at you right fast as you are and a Latin and Falcons fan like you still do that it's wild I know and you know I want to give you proof that some places they'll love you forever um on three sports is reporting that Virginia

tech um oh no they just fired they hired they hired they fired they they fired their they fired their head coach after losing to Georgia tech but it says here sources have told on three sports that some Virginia Tech boosters push victory get coaching experience it would not surprise anybody in the industry of Vic is a serious name at Virginia Tech and future coaching searches. First of all, future coaching searches says a lot about what you think. It says a lot about what you think about the future of this program. But also, I guess I guess for Vic going back to Virginia Tech, that's kind of like Barry Bonds in San Francisco, right? It don't matter what you do, baby. It don't matter what they say about you. I actually did get into this last week. And the first thing I

thought was, Mike, you don't want to be the coach that takes this job right now. Take it after the next guy gets fired, you know, because this dude, I, I, I'm an East coaster through and through all my life. Like, this East Coast football shit, that's what I know. Virginia Tech, like, like, I tell like my brother, like, my little brother and his friends, like, you know, like, this used to be a real deal college football program, like churning out dudes to the NFL on a year by year basis. You go look up some of those guys play Virginia Tech from like 2000, or not even 2000.

Like, let's call it like 1995 to like 2012. Like that stretch, they put a lot of dudes in the NFL. And now it's nothing. Like, they stink. They lost South Carolina. They're trying to get this transfer stuff going. So you fire your coach now. This next year ain't going to be much better.

So, yeah, go see if you can get bill in Norfolk State a little bit. Get some wins and then maybe go to there. I would get my practice up and then maybe look at that job. but I think the expectation is that, okay, so I think that this is a college football thing that I would love to see studied a little more if somebody could figure out a way to do something with the data, and they do some data on this.

But there are very few fertile recruiting areas that are truly no man's land, and the Tidewater is one of them. It's not close to any big school. Like for the longest, it's no longer the case because like old dominion, these schools have jumped up. But for the longest, the closest FBS schools, school to the tidewater was East Carolina. Neither of the, like, neither of the Virginia schools are

actually geographically close to the tidewater. And so when Virginia Tech was running things is because they were the ones that got the players out of the tidewater. When Mack Brown was winning at North Carolina, he was getting dudes out of tidewater. Like, whoever gets that all of a sudden has this spike in their forts. And so my guess is that Virginia Tech looks at it, Michael walk out every player that he wants out of there. We get our money up, right? Mike can go down there and then Mike can get the players and then we'll be okay.

And I hear you. I'm just going to warn Mike about this because I see what might happen here, okay? Because you know, Eddie George is working at Tennessee State and now he went and took a job at Bowling Green. Hey, Eddie, my God, this man. He's pretty good. He seems to be good. He seems to be good.

And the difference between Tennessee State and the other black college jobs is they're playing FCS, but I guess now other schools have made this move, but they're playing FCS at a higher level. They were not playing in the Swack of Me Act. Like they were going against schools with a lot of financial advantages over them and everything else, and he parlayed that in the Bowling Green job. I talked to Eddie at the Super Bowl, and he was like, look, man,

working here is a different kind of job, man. Like this ain't Ohio State. He understood it, but he seemed to understand what it was. He's also not there anymore, right? I don't know why he's not there anymore, but he's not there anymore. I'm saying all that to say they go drive Mike a little bit crazy over there in Norfolk State. I understand that.

Like if Dion had left Jackson State and not been a jerk about it, I wouldn't have said nothing. I know the thing was on some bullshit. I don't know exactly what the bullshit was, but I know it was some. I understand you. And I'm just saying, Mike, don't, don't, don't let the bullshit run you out before you get all the game you need.

You know what I'm saying? Hey, it's a marathon. It's a marathon. Yeah, it's a, dude, I'm telling, like I know. Unless you stack some wins. I know they're going to be doing stuff down there. You're not going to believe it. I understand that.

You might have to wash the clothes yourself. I get that too. But don't go too soon. Get your game up. Then make the move. Yes. I did not think that I was going to hear a tidewater reference. This is a podcast today.

Someone spent most of my life flipping between Maryland, North Carolina. I've got to tickle me a little bit. But, bro, it's hard getting around out there. It's hard getting around out there. There ain't shit. Like, I remember we were going to, for my mom's birthday a couple years ago, we went to out to the Outer Banks for a couple days with some family and friends. And my girlfriend, she was like, oh, you know, I want to come down.

You know, a thing about flying from New York. I'm like, just don't, don't bother. Because what I'm not about to do is go drive an hour and a half one way to Virginia to go pick your ass up and then drive an hour and a half back just for two days. You know, like I'll tell you it couldn't make it. But it's really like that out there. So if you can get them to come to you instead of having to go to them, That's that be ideal.

I will last thing we'll do here, I think you did this on your podcast so we can offer this up on our podcast. And I don't know why this tick will be so much. But tell the people what you thought was going to happen after Michael Vick got arrested. Oh, man. I thought that they were going to draft Darren McFadden and hold down the fort until Mike Vick got out of jail. But to be fair, I was like 13. I was like, it was 2007. Man, I was dumb as hell.

Like, when that Matt Ryan pick came through, my jaw dropped. I was like, what the hell? You guys replaced Michael Vick that fast? And then Matt Ryan threw a 64-out touchdown pass on his first place. So things were okay. But no, I thought they were going to run it back. I thought they were going to hold it down the floor for him and keep the spot warm until he got back. I had no idea how anything worked back then.

I don't know why that was so funny to me. The way you said it the first time, he's like, thought Mike got out of jail, we just going to run it back. We got Darren McFadden. He's going to be the next agent Peterson.

Off into the line, still pretty good. We're going to run for 4,000 yards a year and maybe to get to the Super Bowl. You just thought, you just thought you just treated and like Mike got hurt.

Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. That's kind of what it was. You thought it was like back in the day a Mike went to fight in Korea and was just going to come back as to putting in his time

just get back out there on the field. Two years in federal prison it might be a little bit harder than Korea, you know. It's fair. It's fair. Depending on which side of that. Man, they had that boy wearing actual,

factual stripes. Yeah. Yeah. Like, he was in, he was in jail for real. I will say this about Darren McFadden, right fast.

You know, I have to remember now that the years are passing. We're not at the point where Darren McFadden is a guy that it feels like there aren't that many of them left anymore because the forecasting game has gotten so different. but uh hey man there's some of y'all who have a certain age that you do not understand that that was a stone cold monster my goodness that that backfield because they had felix downs and Peyton hillis too like what that that that's that was crazy man crazy like the hype was true tim tibo should have been a zero time Heisman trophy winner because after arkans after Arkansas won that game against the

eventual national champions who Jeremy Fadden ran for 200-something yards on rivalry weekend. There's your Heisman trophy winner right there. Sorry, guys. Like, he was the runner up the year before. He should have got that Heisman that year. Absolutely should have. One of the things that I remember from that year was that was,

I think that was the same season when Ronnie Brown with the dolphins, like the Wildcat formation. It was the year before Ronnie got all. on it. McFadge was on it first. Right, right. I could remember like if they happened the same time. But that that is just such a, like a simple but genius idea. Why am I handed it up? Why am I

getting him to the quarterback? Just give it to Darren right off the bat and let him go run. Yeah. And the thing was, he was a high school quarterback so he could, there was a minimal threat that he might be able to do something. That boy was cold. Boy, I also remember, he's the last

guy that I remember where negative on his draft stock was all these damn kids. That was the concern. And I also remember my buddy Chris Carter. Chris Carter was doing ESPN one day. He's like, now you got to understand. If you take Darren, he come to your team.

Little Rock is coming with him. The entire town, entire city. The entire town is coming with him. And they all kid. But oh, man, he was a beast. Like maybe I need to figure out a way we come up with that series. Just, just college beast.

Like there's something special about a college beast. That was just like, no, no, no, boys. Even sometimes the college beast wasn't even like an All-American beast. Like we talked about Greg Jones the other day at Florida State. College Beast. Yep.

Flat out college beast. Yeah. DJ Shockley, he's still good with Georgia fans to this day, man. Not the best quarterback they've had since then, but man, just held down. Somehow the last black starting quarterback at the University of Georgia.

Yeah. Dan Newton. Deshawn Watson? No, no, no. No, we don't really have a place to you guys to play quarterback. Yeah, well, they had a place for him just, you know, behind Jake Fromm. You know, they had this kid after Fields left. I mean, right before Fields or right after Fields.

He was a backup. Sam with Duwan Mathis. Yes. Man, that's one of those guys you can't even lie to yourself about when you're just like, you're trying to be like, you try to say some of, you know, try to clean up some of the language around black quarterbacks. And you watch something like, man, man. He was all tilt. He was on tilt.

He was out there like, I don't quite know what to do. Like, he was a worst version of this, but when Jalen Millrow was so mad because Bill O'Brien said he was a running back and not a quarterback, and I was like, yeah, that was messed up. Yeah. Not that I've ever said that exact same thing.

But it's because you're so good at running. That's right. Yeah. Yeah, that's what happened. How were we talking about today? I don't even remember how we got here. Oh, we got here because you thought that Michael Vick was going to come back out of jail to play with Darren McFatton. And then Darren McFatton got us to actually now I don't even know.

But I do know that your name is Charles McDonald. And you can check him out also with another friend of the program, Nate Tice, on Football 301 podcast for Yahoo Sports. My brother, I appreciate you joining us here. Absolutely, absolutely. I got actually one more, like, real little Raiders thing from that era. Yes. Like the most famous football player from my high school is Darius Hayward Bay. And he was, he used to come back during some of the summer workouts.

And I got to say, he was not the nicest guy to us. He was very passionate, very passionate about a high school football team. But he was not the nicest guy. So when we started dropping passes, we did keep track of them one season. Yeah, because he kept track. It was very funny. I need to ask Dominique. No, Dominique did not play with Darius Hayward Bay.

Oh, that's unfortunate. I would have been curious to know what Dominique had to say about him. Damn. But my brother, I appreciate you. And ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on the right time. We do this here three times a week. Ryan Brumley handles everything behind the scenes. Thank you, sir.

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