The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Caleb Williams & Bears' Future, Cam Newton's Aura, Kobe Bryant & LeBron's Legacy | 5.21

Episode Date: May 21, 2025

On today’s episode, Jason Goff of The Ringer & Chicago Sports Network joins Bomani Jones to mainly discuss Chicago Bears QB Caleb Williams. The show starts with Bo saying how people get very angry when he criticizes Scottie Pippen, who happens to be Jason's favorite all-time Chicago Bulls player (1:17). They get into Seth Wickersham's new book, American Kings: A Biography of the Quarterback, where Caleb Williams' father, Carl, says how he told the Bears not to draft him and thought about trying the UFL route instead (18:40). After the break, they continue with the Caleb Williams story comparing it to Shedeur Sanders saying if Shedeur was as good as Caleb he would've been selected higher in the 2025 NFL Draft (27:26). They round out the show by saying how incredible Cam Newton's aura was (40:16), how Bo Jackson was the best athlete Bomani has ever seen (43:32) and they joke about the outfits Ciara makes Russell Wilson wear. (1:00:18) . . . Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media: http://lnk.to/therighttime Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Support the Show: Discover faster, more reliable search with Perplexity today. Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at perplexity.com! https://pplx.ai/bomani-jones Download the DraftKings Pick Six app NOW and use code BOMANI. Better payouts. Bigger wins. Only with Pick6 from DraftKings. The Crown is yours. Celebrate the progress you’ve already made. Visit BetterHelp.com/BOMANI today to get 10% off your first month. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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jason golf was going on you you know i listened to what's up bro i listened to the last episode i listen every time you drop and uh you and viny man you you you are the constant voices reminding the world that's right that's right that's right that's right you got to imagine how how hard it is for me to watch an Eastern Conference finals now where I'm watching Indiana and New York. Teams that during my childhood, it was like the leftovers, you know what I mean?

So, thank you. People get hot when I say this about Scotty. Now, I'm not nearly as fervent about this as Vinny's old Detroit basketball ass. Vinny, Vinny harder. And in fact, now that I think about it, the guy that said that Mike went in the Hall of Famous two people is not Vinny,

but he is also from Detroit. I know, I know. It's disrespectful of what Vinny does. You mess around and poke and then smile about it. Vinny all outstairs you in your soul. I don't even be poking. I feel like I'm trying to put people up on game, right? Like I'm telling people the truth when it comes to Scotty.

Vinny be out here making headache jokes. That's what the difference is between me and him. Vinny goes super hard on Scottie. But the irony of it is to go super hard on Scotty is actually for the Detroit dude to take the Michael Jordan approach to Scottie Pippen. Because to me, the funniest thing in the last dance, right? Because the last dance had a lot of things going on. It didn't really have that much comedy. The funniest thing in the last dance is that after all these years, right, what was then

30 years, and I feel comfortable saying 35, because I am positive, that Mike still feels the same way. After all those years, Michael Jordan still cannot wrap his mind around the idea that a headache stops Scotty Pippen from showing up in that game. And I want to be very clear about something, just so everybody understands where I come from on this particular issue. I'm totally team Scotty on this. I've never had a migraine, but everybody that's ever had a migraine, none of them struggled to understand what Scottie was going through. In fact, Scottie deserves credit for doing what he did with the migraine. And I think they just about everybody else in the world wants to give Scotty credit for that, except for one man. And that one man is Michael Jordan.

He just, he still can't see it. Yeah, and that's no pun intended, right? A man is seeing three different Dennis Rodman's at once. He's seeing four different Billad beers. His neck hurt, his head hurt. He's nauseous. And Mike is like, hey, man, what you're going to do? And didn't he play like 38 minutes or something like that?

It's not like Scotty asked out of the game. Scottie had old school 90s, late 80s, playoff minutes on a migraine. And everybody's, oh, look at this. sucker. Look at this dude. And of course it had to be, you know, basketball's version of snitching ass Randy in Michael Jordan, who was like, you know what? I don't understand why people can't be great in these circumstances. He said in the last dance, he was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, Scottie says his head hurts his head hurts. That's the farthest in 30 years. The farthest that

he could get was, hey, man, look, Scotty says his head hurt. Scotty says his head hurt. Can you imagine, well, the last dance kind of helped us, but like, just being around that on a daily basis, where you know you traveling with the Beatles and he is the number one dude. He is the god of this thing, the cable television, you know, the crossroads of Nike marketing, cable TV, league needing the next dude. And he just, he lands on you, a dude from central Arkansas who first, you got to go through Charles Oakley bullying you for a couple of years. slapping you in the face on camera. And one of the most outstanding local television commercials keeps popping up with the Mr. submarine thing where it's him and two bulls chill leaders on the practice floor eating Hokies. Like it was all early 90s was a rough period for Scotty even though he was winning championships.

Dude, it's him in the last dance. It was just really kind of sad. Yes. The whole way. And on top of it, I think this is an underrated part. And I think that Mike was talking about this, right? Scotty did not go in that game in 94. And never forget, Cootch did hit the shot, right?

Which just made it, which just made it all even worse for Scotty, right? There's a part if you read in the Jordan rules. And it talks about the time that James Worthy got caught in Houston with a prostitute, right? By the way, James Worthy got out of jail, came and helped the Rockets win the game that night, right? Like that's that old school focus. Big game, that's an old school focus. But Mike's thing about that was,

hey man, you can't lose the people. Like once you lose the faith of the public, there's no turning back. And he like truly ate for worthy because of his understanding of what happens when you lose the public. And that is the lens

through which he also views Scotty not going in the game, right? Like I think there's a part of Mike that understands, hey, I want that shot. But then Mike was like, oh, not like that, right? Not like that. Yeah, he's one of those figures in Chicago sports history. Like, Scotty was my favorite bull. Like, Mike was separate from everybody else, right?

Mike was everybody else's. And I think, you know, I think Bears fans right now, and you mentioned we'll talk about Caleb Williams, but having something that is everyone else's in this city is kind of one of those things where it's like we kind of shroud ourselves in the second city aura and, you know, with a big city in the middle of L.A. and New York. So something that's our.

That's why Derek Rose, who was so fiercely ours, if Derek Rose was more comfortable with the spotlight and was marketed differently, he would have become everybody else's as well. Scotty seemed like for that run, okay, this is our thing because we understand on nightly basis what Scottie means. But when you're Michael Jordan and you did everything that he did

leading up to it, Olympics and all these other things, man, you can cast a cloud over many. And now Scotty obviously hasn't looked good for the last decade or so going back and forth on his thoughts on Michael. So it's been a rough run for him and the off-the-court stuff as well. Let me tell you, this is the toughest thing for Scotty. Like, and this is the toughest thing about being around Georgia. When I was in graduate schools, before I got to Carolina, I had been accepted the program, made the acquaint to my advisor of Sandy Darity to this day the most brilliant man I've ever met.

All right. And I was, I was having a hard time in school at that. time right you boy was struggling right like it was stressing me out it wasn't i wasn't really digging it like i just it was just tough i didn't have a motivation right and i hit sandy up and i asked about what it was like you know if he had any you know experience when you just didn't have it and dialing it back up and sandy told me that yeah maybe he could feel like that for day maybe too then get right back on it maybe I needed to go get some help. Which by the way, fair observation.

However, it's tough when whoever your OG happens to be is locked in all the time. I used to see Sandy walk around campus walking and reading books at the same time. He was always locked in. That's Mike. Mike cannot understand I just ain't really got it like that today. Nope, nope, nope, Mike had it like that every single day. Yo, man, that is rough. So it now begs the question, who's the greatest player to become a great coach?

Because that's pretty much the problem, right? Larry Bird. Yeah, but he had Rick and he had, was a Dick Harder. Hold on, hold on, hold on. No pun intended. Hold on. Who else did he have on that stand? Your best, I mean, look, if your best player is Reggie Miller and you got three straight years

that you go to the conference finals one year where you can. go to the NBA finals. Your second best play, actually, the year they went to the championship, the best player on that team was Jalen Rose. Jalen, yeah. Jalen Rose will go down as the only player who was the best player on an NBA finals team

who will not make the Hall of Fame. Now, you can make the argument that it was Reggie Miller because Reggie Miller was Reggie Miller. But, like, I was talking to Joel, as we have this discussion. He was trying to say Jimmy Butler is not a Hall of Famer. Best player on an NBA finals team is a Hall of Famer. And he did it twice.

Like that's, they're all Hall of Famers, scoring champions. They're all Hall of Famers literally except one. Jalen Rose, when he became a Chicago Bowl for that little period of time, I was a big fat five dude. Like it changed my life. What was happening. You know, they were listening to the same music I was listening to. They liked the things that I liked.

We were all kids, you know, CVS's finest, Joanne Howard, you know, right, right down the way. I'll never forget walking into Gibson Steakhouse shortly after Jalen Rose was traded to the Bull. I love that place. The Gibson's is the best, man. You talk about old school vibes. You know, wooden furniture everywhere. Jalen walks in with a furry white cango and a Peyton Manning jersey.

And this is a 6-8 black man walking into this restaurant. And I was like, I know what a star looks like on the court, but I also know what a star looks like off. The Jalen always had that something about it. being the hub at Michigan, being the hub for that Indiana team. Like, Jalen was that dude. Jalen's one of those guys where if he is your favorite player just for whatever quirky reason, I'm not mad at it.

Like, we need more conversations like that. And hopefully post-MJ, post-Lebron, post-Chevin-Durran, post-Stef, NBA will allow these kids to have favorites. Like, hey, Jalen's my favorite player. Well, I do think that the, this era of basketball that is a little, these kids have been businesses for too long, right? Like, they are lacking in personality in a way that's a bit, at least in front of us, right? Because they're so trained, they're so coached, they're so conditioned to minimize the risk of losing the money. I've talked about before, completely

missing. The personality makes you money, right? Anthony Edwards is as bankable as he is, not just because of his game, but because he's Anthony Edwards and we like him and he has a personality, right? I work with Jalen Rose or in the same office with Jailen. for a couple of years. When I did game theory, Jalen was kind enough for our first episode to come in and be part of the shot.

Jalen and Charles Barkley are the two best people whom I've met. Bruce Feldman uses to describe Charles. He's better at being famous than anybody else. And Jalen Rose is 100% that dude where you just end the office

and now catered lunch because Jalen Rose is rich ass, bought lunch for everybody. And by the way, he ain't even there. Right. He's not, he is left for the day. He's just come in and he's laid out the spread, right? But he's also so much more famous than I think that people realize because of that 5-5 thing. But again, so good at it. You see Jailen Rose walk in a restaurant, he the king. Like Jacobi's talk about all the rules that Jalen had for like how you do this. But Jalen is the best story I've ever heard about him. A friend of mine told me he's walking around with Jalen in Toronto when he played there. And a reminder also of just how famous he is. A homeless person. I don't know if that's the appropriate term. A houseless person. Unhoused. I think they're going with now. A dude on the street with tattered rags. Okay. How about that? Right. Comes up and is like, Jalen Rose.

It starts going. Keep in mind we're in Canada. All right. And he's going on and on about how he's jailer Rose and that's the fab five, how he's the biggest faylor. And he's the biggest faylor. of the Fab Five and all of this. And Jaylon's like, all right, then. But if you can tell me all five members of all five, I'll give you the money I got in my pocket. And the guy squared up. Chris Weber, Jalen Rose, Juan Howard, Jimmy King, Ray Jackson.

Let's go. And Jalen, true to his word, reached in his pocket and gave him the money. And the dude that told me the story was like, it had to be $10,000. Of course. You know, like he's that guy. Rubber band man. Yeah, yeah.

He's that guy. Look, he ain't have to do that. He ain't have to do that at all. At all. At all. That's a man of his word. But also, an unhoused man years and years and years after the fact.

He ain't never going to forget who the Fab Five was. Ever, ever. They went down in history. Now that you see, but when you mentioned, when he was in Toronto, the first thing I think of. Yeah, yeah. I know you're going to talk about that 81. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You know what I mean? Like, everybody got a piece of ass. Hey, bro. I got to be honest, man. Them NBA players, they got more dignity or I don't know of dignity to right word. They, I'm just saying, I remember there was a play at the end of that game where Kobe's racking up the points. And he dribbles the ball to the right because he's done with pass.

He's been done with passing, right? He dribbles it toward the right. He gets stopped on the. baseline. He gets double-teamed. Also, the Lakers, if I'm not mistaken, are way up at this point. He gets stopped over there. They get him in the trap. And he called a timeout. And I'd have been like, oh, no, no more buckets. Elbows coming. Belbows coming. Bucgets are over. Now, not one person put him on his ass on that. No, no, no. And that was that was Mo Pete, too. That was a whole bunch of dudes. I mean, I worked with Sam Mitchell when I was in Atlanta, and Sam was one of my

favorite people of all time. You talk about a lot, let's coach it a year, this, that, the other, bring up that 81 game if you want to. Sam will tell you, hey, I threw everybody on them. At one point, y'all go look at me in the suit and be like, he can't do nothing about this, right? And on top of it, like you mentioned, they are just egregious. I think the legend of Kobe being the greatest difficult shot maker of all time. It also comes with Kobe took some of the worst shots that you will ever see in basketball history, right? Like things where it's like, that's the wrong foot. That's a double.

That's a trap. You picked your dribble up. Okay. It's the sons. And that's Steve Nash. You're disrespecting them. You putting it up. Like, by the way, what is, because I've heard you speak about.

And I've never been able to lock you down on things. this nature, because I heard you speak about Brown. I've heard you speak about Mike. The Kobe thing. When people are like crazy LeBron files or Kobe files, where do you fall on Kobe and not only the legacy and legend and posthumously now, we talk about it and it's got that notorious BIG feel where it's like he was amazing. But then when a person dies, it goes to another level. Because now, you know, I am always stuck in the, hey, y'all. Tim Duncan was playing during that era as well. Like there's people who caught some licks while he was in the same conference as him.

Like, I'm never here to denigrate Kobe's legacy, but I've always wondered where you stood on the entire being that is Kobe Bryant. It was an easier conversation when he was alive. Right. Right. That's the thing. Right. It was an easier conversation when he was alive. Kobe was not

Kobe and LeBraw James are not in the same class of player. I don't, I don't. If he's your guy, I understand why he would be your guy. And he's got the five championships. And the idea that he was merely a passenger is not really fair for the Shack time.

Like I do think Shack was a better player, but go look at Kobe in the 0-1 playoffs. He was as good as anybody's ever been. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that was, he was better. in the two series before that. The Nets, the Nets series? No, no, no, no.

I'm talking about the two series in 01. When they were running everybody out of there. When they ran the Spurs out. I mean, I can't even, like, it was so bad. There's no point in trying to remember exactly who it was, right? He was that guy. That, to me, there was never a better version of Kobe than that version of him, even if that version was him at 22 years old.

Like, that was the illest. And then a lot of weird stuff happened, right? Like a lot of... Almost became a bull. Yeah. He didn't want me all day to go the other way. Yeah. It's a lot.

But as I'm getting the text of iron, he's correct. I need to ask you this before we go too far. And for those who are not aware of what happened, Seth Wickersham of ESPN Magazine is writing a book about quarterbacks. And some of this book has come out. And there are things in that book about Caleb Williams that are absolutely fascinating. Okay? It speaks of, one, the lints to which his father went to try to make sure that he did not play for the Bulls,

excuse me, for the Bears, both. Because the Bears, yeah, because the Bears kill quarterbacks, right? They've never had a good quarterback. He did everything he could to try to do this. And when I say everything, they tried to tell the Bears not to draft them. They tried to figure out how they could go to court. They were ready to shut down the whole draft. They're like, well, what if he goes to the UFL, he does that for a year?

can he come back and not have to go to the Bears? The Bears told him, we are drafting you, no matter what you say here. They did all of this. Williams' father clearly looked at offensive coordinator Shane Waldron and said, no, no, this is bad. He should not be playing for this guy. This guy is going to be a problem. And then Caleb says to him, nah, I got it.

We'll be fine. Halfway through the season, Galtren gets fired, and it appears that everything that Papa Williams was saying was proven to be correct. They weren't watching film with the young man. They weren't doing the things that we needed to help him develop any of that. He looked terrible for stretches during the year last year. And everything, I think people have looked at this like, oh, man, how dare Caleb Williams try to do this and had this audacity, except for the fact that, and this is the feeling I got coming out of what I read.

Except they were right. Like if this had come out before the season, it might have looked terrible for him. I actually thought he came out looking better because in spite of knowing this was a terrible idea, he still said, fine, I'll go there. Yeah. So shout out to Seth because, and by the way, do you know when this book is dropping? I do not. It is dropping after the Bears play the Minnesota Vikings week one.

The Minnesota Vikings are heavily mentioned in the. these excerpts about, you know, the conversations he had with Kevin O'Connell and obviously his offensive brain and those two linking up and being like, man, it'd be super dope if I could play for you. But you don't have the number one overall pick. Man, let me tell you something right now. As a father of an eight-year-old and now a four-month-old, there are certain people who I'm not just going to put my baby in anybody's hands. And you can say what you want to say about, you know, helicopter dads and all this other stuff. You want to put your kid in the best position for success. You know what this position of the least success has been in the NFL when it comes to quarterbacking?

The Chicago Bears starting quarterback. You might throw Cleveland Browns in there as well. But, you know, and it's not this is some far flung, you know, way back in the day. As Justin Fields, who is now on his third team. Ask Mitchell Chubisky, who was getting ready to be out the league here in a few years. Like, this is not some program or some organization where you can think to yourself, well, maybe they had a rough go of it or maybe it's just poor. talent evaluation. They've been running this thing,

unfortunately, like a mom and pop shop. Meanwhile, everybody out there is doing Target and Walmart stuff when it comes to that position. So if I am Carl Williams and I'm looking at you dead in the face and understanding what you haven't been, you know, everything, it's kind of like the Shador

Sanders story and stuff that we talked about offline. You know, there's a lot of truth all around, right? It doesn't have to be one side of the other. And if you are a Chicago Bears fan and you don't understand how Carl Williams feel? Well, that means you're just having a bad faith argument. You're having a conversation that shouldn't be happening. You know what this legacy has been or

lack thereof. And then on top of it, Ryan Poles being the dude, like, I don't care. I'm a draft you anyway. We're going to figure this thing out. It'll took one visit to a facility for him to be like, all right, I see what the energy has been. I can kind of change it. And then they drop you in Matt Iberfluse and Shane Waldron's lap and you're busy. not respecting the persons that you are supposed to respect to bring you along. And if you look at the numbers, man, I'm going to be honest with you. I know the Jaden Daniels, shout out to Charlie Kravitz. He's going to kill me for this.

I know the Jaden Daniels and Caleb Williams' conversation went way left after Jaden rocketed and propelled that team to a playoff berth. But you look at some of the numbers and with the weapons that he didn't have and the offensive line that he didn't have, the dude had himself a decent enough season. and numbers-wise, it's just it didn't feel like it was supposed to feel with all the hype leading into it. But I don't blame him. I don't blame his daddy.

And I don't blame the Bears because after a while, you go to that bar again and again. And you're hoping to leave with that winter. And, you know, you keep chopping at that tree. That's exactly what they keep doing. And hopefully Caleb Williams that do. But I don't see how anyone could be mad at Carl Williams or Caleb Williams for anything that's getting ready to come out in this book because the bear is. quarterback position and offense has been a shit show since I was a child.

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H-E-L-P dot com slash Beaumont. All right, we are back on the right time with Jason Gough. And just to recap, right in case you popped in during the break. We're talking about how Canel Williams' daddy was like, hell no, you ain't going to the Bears, right? And the Bears were like, too bad, so sad, you are coming,

all right? And Caleb Williams' daddy had gone through all these steps to figure out how to stop him from going to the Bears and everything else. Da-da-da-da, right? I remember last month y'all was trying to tell me that the reason

season Shador Sanders slipped in the draft is because him and his daddy were trying to shake things up too much and the league decided to teach him a lesson and show them who's really in charge and then let him slip in the draft. Okay. Now, I am going to, for a moment, just hold out the possibility that maybe, just maybe, that isn't the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Just for right now, right? I'm a, I'm a, I'm a chill out and we'll have a suspension of the disbelief and think for a moment that that could be the case. New premise. The Williams is we're trying to figure out how to break the whole draft, how to skip the whole draft. We ain't going there.

How do we get to Minnesota? They were absolutely trying to up in things in the ways that you guys believed that Shador and Dion. were trying to up in things, right? They were trying to use whatever leverage they had the same way that the Sanderses were trying to use whatever leverage they had, right? Okay? And you know how the NFL taught Caleb Williams a lesson

by taking him with the number one overall pick? That's how they did that. That's how they taught him. That's how they learned him by guaranteeing him tens of millions of dollars. That is how they put him in check. So I need you to explain to me once again how it is that the untamable black buck

they show him by letting him go to the fifth round. All these teams that could use a quarterback. Nope, nope, nope. That one of them winning got this dude that you swear up and down to me as a cat-mist star, they let him go all the way down to the fifth round of the draft

to teach him a lesson. But when it was time to teach Caleb Williams a lesson, they beat his ass with money. That is how they did it. They money whipped his ass. That's what they did. Do you now understand

why I had to talk to y'all the way I had to talk to y'all back then? I'm not saying that the white man woke from time to time put you in check. I'm just telling you that if Shador Sanders

was, that good, they would put him in check with a check. Right. We ain't going to, we ain't going to that many teams. They're like, yeah, you damn right, you're not going to that many teams. We agree with you, actually.

We agree with you. Gaila Williams, they was out here trying to go to court. Like, they wasn't just, they wasn't just trying to be mischievous about it. You know what I'm saying? They wasn't just trying to be like, nah, we don't feel like playing with y'all. They weren't just out here

talking that shit. They was out here calling the best lawyers they could find. How do, and you know this about me. I am king abolish the draft. I am big on the idea of figuring out how to use your elaborate. By the way, you're the first person that I heard say that. I see there's a lot of people jumping up with that now. You're the first person that I said that years and years and years ago.

I've been here. I've been here. I ain't knew to this. I'm true to this, right? We've been talking about the revolution over here, dog. I've been talking about the revolution over and HBO. I'm about that life. Daft. Yes, sir.

Them Sanders isn't about no revolution. They was just trying to get over. Caleb Williams was actually out here because if it worked for him, it will work for everybody. And that's the thing. He was actually trying to, they were trying to up in the game. And the NFL was like, how'd you like 50 million dollars? We'll show these uppity Negroes by plastering you on every billboard, giving you a new balance and Chromeheart contract while making you the face of the next video game.

If you're halfway decent, if you're halfway decent. All I'm saying is, we've come a long way, baby. You know what I'm saying? And this is how they decide to show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you can flip that to another one of your favorite topics of 2024 slash 2025. It's part of the reason why everybody in the industry was upset at Drake for so long. Because it's like, hey, man, you got the most power.

You see this shit that they paying us for streaming. Whereas before you used to have to go to Sam Goody Coconut's, kids, do you Googles, right? To go get yourself a $12, $13 album, we get a couple of points off that. Now it takes 6 billion streams for me to make $50. Change this. Right. Change this ambiguously biracial man. And he didn't want to, right?

He didn't want to. And then now when Kendrick dropped on his head, it's like, hey, we got to change this system, y'all. Right. Your boy, Carl Williams went in there like, hey, I understand the shield, but F all that. We want an LLC where you can send this money to. We don't want to play for you. It's crazy. He's crazy.

He's been on this forever. And let me tell you something. I think this is an underrated thing to talk about with Caleb Williams because we see so many people who don't do this. Okay. It is easy to forget that in the year, 2021, Spencer Rattler came into that season as a Heisman Trophy candidate for really. real. And we have forever seen these quarterbacks avoid going to places where you might be behind

a guy like that. Right. And even if he wasn't first round pick guy, Spencer Rattler, I believe at that point was like a redshirt sophomore or something like that. But there was, there was a chance that going to Oklahoma meant riding the pine. Caleb Williams legitimately believed I am the best quarterback in America. And he went, he felt like he would have took that job anywhere he went. And Rattler was playing like dog shit against Texas that year. They put him out and Caleb Williams is in there and it was like, oh, okay, this is a wrap. Like there's a, there's no, and look, Spencer Rattler is an NFL quarterback, right? He played reasonably well in the SEC.

He was a good player. But the fact that Caleb Williams is like, it don't matter. I'm better. Quentin yours, I am convinced that Quinn, Quentin yours costs himself tens of millions of dollars because he graduated from high school, all money ain't good money, right? He graduated from high school early because Texas would not allow NIL payments. And so he graduated early, kind of out of nowhere, and went to Ohio State so that he could get that bread. He got there.

C.J. Stroud won the job as a red shirt freshman. Euler's then transferred to Texas, which, look, what a terrible move. It worked out okay. And Texas had players and they went deep in the playoff and everything else. All I'm saying is Ewers would have stayed at Ohio State. He'd have been up there throwing to what's his name, son, right? He could have been out there throwing. Oh, my bad, my bad.

You're right. He was talking, you know, that Jeremiah Smith do with that. All I'm saying is this, Ohio State always got the receivers. And if he would have just sat and rolled the pine for those two years, I bet you he would have wound up being in a better situation. I mean, wouldn't have been no seventh round pick, I don't think. I don't think that would happen. So in this new economy that we have, how many kids will make the mistake of over-evaluating

that they think they are Caleb Williams and they are not? Because you and I, you've mentioned this to me before about Caleb at every level has thought and then performed like he was the man, right? Like, hey, I'm the best one here. He busted, what, 50-yard run against the long horns. You're like, yep, that job is gone. And now he's in this situation where, shit, when they drafted the punter the same year, Tori Taylor, he called him and said, we won't be using you much, right? Like, this dude has come in with this ridiculous amount of confidence and backed it up at every level. Now he's going to have to do that, of course, with the wonderkin that has Ben Johnson and all.

But yeah, man, take it, take it back to old school competition. Like you remember, like you said, I remember when a rapper used to be a go-getter. This dude's always been a go-getter. Now all these rappers, right? Okay, so this is my thing, though, about staying in the place. And I think this is what these guys misunderstand. You only need one year of film. You don't need to play for three years.

I'm not convinced that playing, for quarterbacks, I'm not convinced that those reps actually make you better, right? Like, I think that physical and mental maturity are the things that matter the most. And for some people getting out there too early, actually works in the opposite direction, right? But all you need is one year of film. So if I were a quarterback, I went to Ohio State, and Ohio State does this, they get all these highly-touted quarterbacks and it basically turns into with the mic, top of the line, right?

Two dogs, one boat. Hey, man, you should have enough confidence that by the time, you are a junior, you will be better than whatever freshmen they come in. Like that's what you shouldn't be afraid of, is that you're going to be in this system in two years. You're going to be growing and lose your job there. No, no, no. If you got a good situation at a school, I would say stick around there because also if you

don't make the NFL, then boosters and everybody, remember the four-year guys a lot longer than they remember the one-year guys. And you could always get a gig, selling cars, push your insurance, you know, whatever it happens to be. but all these guys hopping. Being on a local radio station. Right, right. But all these guys leaving every year to go get something. I'm like, no, no, no.

I think you guys are all doing this wrong. And let me tell you, let me tell you who clearly seems to agree with me about this one. Archie, Manning and family. Arch stayed there. You think Arch couldn't have gone somewhere and play it earlier? Also, it's the place that, you know, has the boosters, has the great resources around. round it and you know you're going to get first round picks at those positions. Like you mentioned,

he could and if he wanted to, would have went somewhere else and played early. I wonder how that changes the calculus, because how long had we heard for years and years and years about, well, this guy's only got 13 starts? This guy's only got 20 starts. Hell, I remember Cam Newton getting the knock on him because he was reading numbers off the play sheet and off his, off his, placard on his wrist instead of calling plays. Look here. I, I remember. I, recognize that those two, the two guys I'm about to mention are anomalies, but somebody took Cam Newton and Anthony Richardson in the top five, right? Now, of course, they are quite possibly the two most physically gifted quarterbacks who have ever played, right? But, and Richardson,

wild as this sounds, from what the film guys tell me, was more pro-ready than Cam was. Based upon the things he was doing, he just was just, just that wild. accuracy, right? But Cam Newton was like, come on, dude, you take that guy. 2011 is going to go down as one of the greatest drafts in the history of the NFL. Cam Newton is not going to make the Hall of Fame. If you do a redraft, you still take Cam Newton number one. Of course. Over Bob Miller, over JJ Watt, over Richard Sherman, over, I mean, Julio Jones is in that draft. It was, I mean, that draft was loaded and you still take Cam Newton number one.

Julio Jones when I was in Atlanta, and that was the peak Julio years. Julio Jones, greatest player who was the least, how should I say, assuming that I've ever been around, seen, or heard about. Andre Johnson might have had that vibe in Houston, but Andre still University of Miami dude, like, you know, a different kind of swagger. No, but not like Julio. Not like Julio. And Julio mess around and go for 200 yards against the Saints

and be on a fishing boat for the next three days until the next practice. Like Julio was next level. Like 200 yards, probably no touchdowns. Oh, that's the weird thing. By the way, also in that draft, Patrick Peterson, A.J. Green, Tyrant Smith. Like, that was a, yeah, that was an unreal draft.

and you still take Cam Newton. I will tell people forever. I will never forget this as long as I live. Cam Newton's first game in the NFL, he threw for 400 yards. They played a game at Arizona, and he threw an interception. He got so mad that he went to try to make the tackle,

and Darrell Washington made the interception. Darrell Washington was a pro bowl linebacker. And when Cam Newton ran up on Darrell Washington, Darrell Washington slid like he was a quarterback. Tuesday night. Because the freight train was coming. Tuesday night in Atlanta. This is a life ago. It's 2013, I want to say. I'm at a spot, you know, got a little section with my people and a door opens from behind us where I didn't even think there was a door.

And you know the Charlie Murphy story about Rick James with the orange glow, the aura. Cam Newton walked through and it was as if the biggest, you know, the biggest, you know, the biggest. human with the broadest shoulders and smallest waist wearing red pants and a white shirt and a red top hat. I had never seen any. And, you know, being in Chicago, you see some stars, you see some athletes, you know, this Jordan, all that good stuff. I had never seen a person consume a room just by their physical presence in that manner before it. You know, been around Shaq on the inside the NBA studio at the inside the NBA studio. It's different when there's a crowd, a sea of people, and it's Atlanta on top of that

and it's an off day and you know they just played oh yeah it's time to get it on. Cam Newton, Cam Newton's one of those supernovas that I am glad I got a chance to witness like a lot of kids who are a little bit younger than me never get a chance to see Bo Jackson.

It was the thing, dog. It was the thing, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the Bo Jackson thing will never be able to explain to you, right? Ever. Like the only thing that we can tell you is if you think that back in the day

everybody was plumbers, that's fine, if that's what you think. it was those plumbers against the creative player. That's it? Like, if that's what you need, fine. Okay, there's not been a physically, a football player is physically gifted as Bo Jackson since Bo Jackson. And we could go baseball too.

I remember when Yassio Pueg hit the scene. I remember when Mike Trout hit the scene. Hell, you know, for a couple of minutes here in Chicago, we saw Luis Robert Jr. before he started staking up the joint. Like, there are certain dudes. you look at them physically and go, oh, no, no, no, that dude don't belong on a baseball field. That is who Bo Jackson was. Bo Jack doing the Spider-Man walk on the outfield in Kansas City, the game with him and Dionne

Santa, stop playing. I'll just tell people this. You will see a clip on the internet. It bounces around from time to time of Bo Jackson taking a fly ball. I want to say it was in Yankee Stadium playing right field. And he catches his fly ball and then flat-footed. throws a rope to, and it's pretty deep into right field. Flat foot it throws a rope to third base to stop the runner tagging up.

What you need to understand about that play is that play is Bo Jackson wearing a gray white socks jersey. What does that mean? That means he made that throw with an artificial hip. Yes, sir. That is what that means. Yes, sir. The Kansas City footage, too.

The man. I mean, I mean, Kansas City footage is unfair. The fact that he can still do it with the artificial hip is its own thing. The throw in Seattle where he just catches the ball off about and there's not even a good camera angle of the throw because nobody could consider the possibility that the throw was even possible. Greatest athletes you've ever seen perform. Bo Jackson.

It's both. Just flat out. Just athlete. Just straight athlete. It's Bo Jackson. And you know who number two probably is? Dion. Can't?

Oh, Dion. Okay. Hey, man. Dion was a legit baseball player. Like, I think it's hard for people to be perhaps the greatest at what might be the hardest position in the NFL. And then be a for real legitimate baseball player. Yeah, go look at some of those Reds numbers. Like, yeah.

Dion was the brave's numbers. Dude, Dion was that dude. Dion was that dude. I just, do you ever think, well, no, because at that time it was Brian Jordan. Yes. And Dion, it was like two or three guys who were trying that out if I'm not mistaken, right? Brian Jordan was making it work and then the Cardinals made him quit playing football. He was a pro ball.

He and Dion were on the same team playing two sports. Can you imagine what late 80s Atlanta was like with those two dudes running early 90s, Atlanta was like running one with those cats? Dionne was there, Dominique was still there. Dominique was still there, and the Braves, the 91 through 93 Braves were black. That was a lot of brothers on the squad. That's easy to forget, his baseball has changed. And when I say black, I mean African-American.

Had Alani. Terry Pendleton, David Justin. Yeah, Terry, Alani, Otis. You know what I'm saying? David Justice was married to Hallie fucking Barry. you know what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah, yeah. This was a different time in baseball, though.

It was a different time. We had a Brian, you know what I'm saying? Like, it was a lot of brothers on that squad, man. There's a lot of brothers. And so Black Atlanta was into the Braves in a way that, again, I don't think that people can grasp. Like, when that team hit, everybody felt a share of ownership. I wouldn't even in Atlanta at the time, and I noticed.

I didn't appreciate the place that certain stars held in Atlanta because of what people thought Atlanta to be as a sports town until I got down there and had my first conversation about Matt Ryan and immediately the phone lines lit up. He ain't no Mike Vic. And I was like, wait a minute. Hold on. Hold on. I'm just talking about the current dude.

And then getting to work with Dominique and Dominique, I'll never forget, Dominique walking through the tunnel. He and I are talking. And he's talking, you know, they got a meeting up there acting like any of them was ever better than me. And I knew exactly who he was talking about at the time. I knew exactly who the GM was, who later on, went on to say some things about Lou Aldang that weren't too kind.

I'm like, oh, you're on Dominique on your bad side, baby, because Atlanta will rain down on you with the terror. First of all, I once saw Dominique when he did not make the top 50 team, and this was many years after he did make the top 50 list to explain that he actually should have been top 25, which I thought was a very ambitious appraisal of his old career, but that is the way the Dominique sees it. The other thing,

I was talking to somebody about this. Doesn't matter who, doesn't matter what I know. But I mean, well, what I know I'm going to tell you. But basically, the Hawks have a serious problem in Atlanta with black males age 35 through 55. And we all have the same problem. They traded Dominique. Yep. People never went back.

They traded Dominique. For Danny Manning. For Danny Manning. For a semester of Danny Manning. Right. Right. He stayed there a little bit longer than Rashid, who got a triple double in one game and then was traded away from that situation. Nah.

The trading of Dominique Wilkins, like there's certain things. I remember when I touched down in Atlanta and they had the all black outfield with the Upton brothers and Jason Hayward and how people were like, we're getting back in the baseball. I'm like, okay, well, this is cool. This is all right, but, you know, how Josh Smith Al Horford and them boys treating you. Like, Atlanta was a very, you know, for the biggest city in the South kind of vibe and everybody flocking to it. It was a very interesting sports ecosphere when you saw how many people just hated certain teams and why they held on to it. Like, it's kind of like the DC fan. Like, if you don't know commanders fans and you talk to a certain section of DC fans, you're like, no, no, we.

We didn't mess with the R skins or the commanders for a very, very long time. And then you find out the roots of why. And you're like, oh, I get it. I understand. They really traded Dominique Paddy Manor. Like periodically, periodically, periodic that don's on me. I'm reminded that fact that they just, yeah, man. They, J.D.

Some mistakes have been made in that front office. Yeah, that's what made me go back and be careful. Like, I still think they being a little ridiculous about the Luca trade, right? Like, I still think they are. But that's how I felt about a 30-something-year-old Dominique Wilkins after an Achilles, right? Like, it wasn't like they traded 25-year-old Dominique. Yeah, yeah. It wasn't like they traded 25-year-old Dominique, right?

They didn't trade Dominique right before the dunk contest in Chicago, right? They traded an older version of Dominique. It wasn't the most unreasonable thing to do. It just seemed terrible because the Hawks were finally good. And then they, oh, I can't believe they traded Dominique. By the way, Dominique got robbed in that 88 dunk contest. robbed. Absolutely robbed. And if you are...

Who else? You know, who else I think would agree that he got robbed? Scotty Pippin. Awes. Now he would agree. Now he was not back then. And if you want to do... Because I heard you talking about this gentleman a couple of pods ago,

if you want to go back and take a look at... You know how like when we used to watch cartoons? Well, I don't know if you watch cartoons as a kid, but like you go back and watch some of those old Bugs Bunny, some of those old Looney tunes, you go, Oh, okay, the shotgun shooting backwards makes that face and those lips. Oh, I got you. Go back and listen to Rick Berry's color commentary on the Dunn contest.

Oh, on the Dunk Contest. No, I have not heard that. Oh, no, no, no. There are some things in there where you're like, ooh, I don't know if you could say that back then. But now what? Cancell City. Rick Barry tried to have. or he should have

$100 million. Why is that? Pre-Lary Bird, man. It wasn't really no white dude quite cold like that cold. Now, Rick was the man. Rick was the man. He was part of the team

that ousted that Norm Van Lee and Jerry Sloan squad back in the day Western Conference finals. He won an ass. He won a world championship. He won all of that. Everybody hates his guts. everybody does. Who's the hateable white man in the NBA right now?

I mean, they ain't really got enough to be doing that. Like, Bill Lambere was a hateable white man. Right, right. That's how you knew how dirty Bill Lambere was. They didn't even try to shine that shit up. Now, maybe part of why they didn't try to shine it up was that Lamb Beer, like, white people already had the Celtics. And so Lambere was like the enemy of them.

And so he blended in with all them. Black dudes, he was already playing with and Bill Lambere was the kind of white person that white people don't like. Like his pops had paper, nothing was ever his fault, you know what I'm saying, all of that stuff. And you know Larry Bird, absolutely hated Lambeer. And a big part of why Larry Bird hated Lamb Beer was that Bird's mom liked Lambere. Because Lambere, you got to remember, Bird from Indiana, Lambere went to Notre Dame. And so Bird's mom had a familiarity with Lambears Gay.

And so she liked Lambere. Bird hated Lambier. Of course. Of course. You're not going to be my mama. I'm one of the greatest of all times. You out here liking this too. Bird threw that basketball to hit Lambere and face that time.

Like there's never, Bill Lambert is the most hateable basketball player who has ever lived. There is nobody I can think of that we all agree that we hate Bill Lambeer. Robert Parrish whoop Bill Lambeer's ass in the middle of the game and didn't get kicked out, I don't think. That is a, that's quite the distinguishable, uh, uh, label because you don't have, you don't have too many guys who aren't a part of a team that is hated as much as the pistons and that be the supreme hateable dude. Like usually it's a conglomerate. Usually it's like,

okay, we don't like, like, like you mentioned, the Celtics or we don't like Duke for whatever reason or, well, not for whatever reason, the obvious reasons. Or you don't like, you know, back in Marge shot days. Oh, look at the Reds and look what they're trying to do. Free Eric Davis and free all these dudes. Bill Lambere was such the supreme king of the hateable white dudes. And like you mentioned, I was trying to think about

it while I was talking about it. I don't know if there's a dude who is a, like, Cooper Flagg has grown to be a dude who I think we're going to love no matter what because you know, there's kind of like the homogenization of cultures that goes on in basketball nowadays that maybe didn't have to go on

back. And like, I knew Frank Brickowski didn't hang out with Sean Kemp and Gary Payton when the games were over. You know what I don't know. I don't know about that. I was reading Jeff Perlman's book on the Show Tom Lakers and sound like Frank Brickowski had a little get down. Really? Dog, that's the thing about the NBA. Like Jack Haley just.

Oh, Jack Hale, yeah, they're going to have to learn. Who else they're going to kick it with? Hmm. But if you can get a team, like if you get two or three white dudes on an NBA team, If you get what on a what? Hey, who you, but hold on, Bo. Who are you talking to right now? I don't know if you have seen the undertaking that is going on here in Chicago when it comes to the roster.

I hear you that. All I'm saying is this. Or Dallas. Take Fran Brickowski, for example, right? Yeah. If I'm not mistaken, while Frank Brickowski was on the Sonics, the homie Debtleff was also on the Sonics. I don't know what you know about Debt Left, but if Frank Brickowski, according to your assumption, was looking for a kindry spirit in dead left shrimp.

No, sir. Dead left shrimp was a little bit more like, like Boris Becker. You know what I'm saying? A little bit more like Dirk. You know what I'm saying? Chalky models. Might be some tinfall on that plate, if I'm not mistaken. That's what they be saying about dead left.

Okay. All right. I'm not mad at it. That's all I'm saying. It's been a long time since it's really been enough white boys on the basketball team. Well, maybe the Celtics, right? because they got they got to make sure. The Celtics, Red,

though, Red Arbite, hell yeah. You know what I'm saying? He's looking at that. They got that Houser. They got that Cornet. You know what I'm saying? I'm not going to give you Peyton though.

Peyton, Peyton got that something to his game. Like he goes to King, going to Rock every once in a while. Good white boys too. Like sometimes he missed. He overshot the mark. You know what I'm saying?

But at the same time, you know. Yeah, no. And now with Tiley Hero and White Dante, like the white brethren have kind of made sure. But the Celtics wasn't trying to get no white dante's, right? Celtics was just getting white. Now one of them, Porzengis is the closest to the median of the white boys they ever done. Hey, Brian Scalabrini, that wouldn't, that wouldn't like that.

You know what I'm saying? Danny Ains. I can't even put it on history either. Yeah, Danny Ains, Joe Klein, Larry Byrd, Kevin McHenie. Jerry Seekding, Ray, what no, Rick Carlisle, Chris Ford. Right, they was, they was just, what no, no, what no, what no what I'm saying, white boys, you know, maybe Dina Rajah, Dino Rajah from, from Croatia. Remember that was the thing with the overseas, like Tony Kukoch and Dino Raja were the first ones where, you know, oh, look, it's the new overseas breed of player who's 16 and could do everything, but he might be soft. And now the entire league is the new breed of overseas player.

Speaking of Western Conference Finals, I want to ask you this. SGA, Anthony Edwards, you know, you've been talking this Caitlin Clark, Andrew Reese thing. I think we might have ourselves a, shall we say, interpersonal kind of battle in the community of who you might be leaning towards. I mean, I would just make, very, very clear, too. I would just make the point that one of them is from Canada. That can't be the only point though, Bo.

No, I mean, in terms of what you just brought up, one of them is from Canada. Like, we got to start waving that red, white, and blue round here with it come to the ant-man. And I don't mean the red, white, and blue like Uncle Sam. I mean like Apollo Creed, right? We got to do this for Paulo, dog. Paulo took a tough hell, man.

I don't really feel like we as a people have done enough to uphold his memory. You know what I'm saying? You got to stay ready at all times. That's the moral or the story of Apollo Creed. you better stay ready. They always trying to kill you, brother. You got to stay ready. You know what I'm saying? I would honestly love because I don't like the way Jay Gilders Alexander plays basketball. I'm not into these foul merchants. I don't I don't like Jaylon Brunson's foul merchant team, right? Like, I'm not here for that. I would love nothing more than for Anthony Edwards to decide I'm, I got something for all y'all.

So you're looking forward to an Anthony Edwards versus Tyrese Halliburton matchup in the NBA finals. then. Now, that right there, that would be the Civil War. Yes. If there's any two people that you can tell did not grow up in the same neighborhood, it is Tyrese Halliburton and Anthony Edwards. Now, Gilly the man, Tyrese Halliburton's daddy, he looked like he might have grown up with Anthony Edwards, right? Took a couple turns and detours. And I need to stop calling him Gilly the man because I have to remember my old ass at this point, I might be older than Tyrese Halliburton's Daddy. Like Tyrese Halliburton's Daddy is probably the same age as killing the kid. We are at that point.

You know what I'm saying? Like, that's where we are. We're the old dudes. I tell you this, though, and I don't think Tyrese Halliburton cares. But man, he got to do something to stop these people from taking these videos of him pulling up at the spot. So this is the thing. If you are Tyrese Halliburton, do you stop

pulling up with a sprint of, you know, avalanching snow coming out of it? Or do you, you know, do you continue to be this part? Like there's a real evil villain vibe that I think is growing here where, you know, there's a real like Jack and Jill thing going on.

And then you got, then you got Aunt who, let's face it. Like, you can see Ant listening to Cool Breeze and watch the hook as he's pulling up with his people. Like it's two Americas, but distinctly different Americans. I will just say this before we roll

out. After Russell Wilson wound up marrying a woman whose middle name is princess, you got to say it as loud as possible though. All right. All right. I can't wait till Tyree's pull up with the... I never thought. The day coulda when Russell Wilson has a person has a person. has a

esposa her name center is reina okay or reina I don't know I don't say

how to say princess but bruh never never to you and I told you I saw them they look happy as hell

too they look happy as hell and I've always I've always had my theory and what happened was somebody

finally told her girl you need to quit mess with them thugs get you a good man man who loved Jesus

man who loved kids boom What did she find? Built him in a lab. All those things. All those things. Built him in a laboratory. And shout out to, you know, getting through those things and still having the time to do that as well.

That's right. That's right. That's right. And look, man, he'd be wearing whatever clothes. She set out for him. It don't matter how many zippers it got. It don't matter how many holes they don't cut in it. Right?

Like, he's just like, whatever you say, baby, whatever you say. And you know what, bro? Me too. Me too. I would, I would, I would be back out this motherfucker looking like one of the new kids on the blog. Russell Wilson be showing up looking like he hanging tough with some of new clothes and she'd be laying out for him. Oh, yeah. Like the same way we talk about Jim Jones being the oldest Y-N out there.

Russell Wilson has gotten a swagger that only can be attributed, you know, and this is what happens to us as brothers as we grow older. All of the things that shine about us are given to our significant others, right? Like she got you together. Look at his skincare routine. Look at his clothes. But for Russell, you can actually look at the beginning, the middle, and this portion of it. There's no question. There's no question that none of this is his idea.

It's not just that she loves him. And he reached that point in life that's very important where if you say you don't care, you can't care. Right. So if you don't care, when she laid his stuff out there, all right. There you go. Wow, I've never worn these shiny penny loafers before. I'm not saying that's what he wears, but I'm just saying, like, you know, once that happens,

it's over. That's the beginning of a new life for you. You know, you get to be, you get to be Russell Wilson in a way. I mean, the rebrand, he kept trying it and it got to the point where it became funny instead of corny. And I want to be very careful what I'm calling corny in this particular climate that we're in, and this new cycle that we're in. I want to stay away from that because I don't want anybody looking at.

up my mixed queen and all of a sudden calling me names. What's up with your boys out here, Bo? Hey, look, look, look, look, look, look. This is a little tricky, right? Because I don't really know Robert like that. I know Ryan pretty well. And Robert used to work here, you know? So, like, it's a little thing.

And we're rapping soon. But I don't feel like it, brother. And honestly, I'm going to be honest with you. You bringing that shit to me. Oh, my show is almost like my, like, you don't even really care about my money like that. Like, I appreciate you coming up for a live show the other day. You're like, what do you think about that? That's a phone call.

I need to workshop that before I bring this out here front of anybody else. Shit, man, I just said something about the WNBA on Monday. God knows. I was just said I didn't want to call anything corny because I was scared of it. I know. And then you're like, so what do you think? I think you had the right idea. That's what I think.

My bad. Back to Angel Reese and Caitlin Clark. Yeah, that's exactly it. I would much rather talk about that. Good gracious. Before Jason Goff mess up everybody's money, check him out on the Renger,

check him out, he ain't gonna mess up my money. We both know that. It'd just be stressful. I'm sorry if I did it. I know, brother, it's all good, man. I appreciate you. Check him out of the Ranga. Check him out doing all kinds of Chicago things.

My brother, thank you for pulling up the other day. Thank you for joining us. No, love. Thank you. Thank you so much. I appreciate you as always, man. Peace and respect. All right, man. By the way, you don't know this, man, but them golfs, they run things down there in Belize. I hear you get off in the airport and you be like, yo, take me to, I'm with the golfs. And they'd be like, cool, we go, we got you. We got to. All you got to do is say. Say the word, baby. Say the word. They're going to start bumping that shine in the car. You know what I'm saying? It got to be shy in just Belize. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Exactly. As you said the other day, they're giving keys to anybody, right? So pull up to Belize and find out if you grab one.

I feel bad for saying that, brother. Y'all just ballers. Y'all just ballers. No, no, we're not. We're not. You know, looking forward to the Bomani Jones excursion out there. You travel into Vietnam and Morocco and all these other places. I can't wait to you.

You know, come down to our little part of the world to hang out with us for a little bit, man. Come on through. I'm going to see what it is. You're going to put me down with the right people. I know that. I'm going to be like, yo, I'm down here with them golfs. And they're going to be like, cool. We got you.

Yeah, for sure. Put a love, always, baby. I appreciate you, Doc. And ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on the right time. We do this three times a week.

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