The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Caleb Williams’ MVP ceiling, Josh Allen vs. Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow’s Future | 7.30

Episode Date: July 30, 2026

Bomani Jones is joined by Danny Parkins for a new episode of The Right Time to discuss why every NFL quarterback seems to be on the clock heading into the season. They start with Caleb Williams and the expectations surrounding his second year in Chicago, including whether Ben Johnson can help him make an MVP-level leap. Later, Bo and Danny debate whether Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are facing the same level of postseason pressure, and which quarterback is more likely to age better. They also discuss Kyler Murray’s chances of winning the Vikings’ starting job over J.J. McCarthy, why C.J. Stroud may be on a “hot clock” in Houston, and whether Bo Nix and Drake Maye are truly safe from scrutiny. They close by examining Joe Burrow’s future in Cincinnati, the pressure on Jalen Hurts despite winning a Super Bowl, and why Justin Herbert may finally be entering a season without the same expectations. Along the way, Danny revisits his infamous Deshaun Watson take and the two share plenty of classic stories and laughs. . . . Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Buy 'The Right Time' merch: http://therighttimebomani.com/ Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media: http://lnk.to/therighttime Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Coming to us live from the mean streets of Westchester County on Thursday, Danny Parkins of FS1 was going on, man. Bo, chilling. Good morning. yes unfortunately fortunately for me because I love coming on with you but this is too quick

of a return visit for me to have more stories from the Westchester police blotter I know so we'll get we'll get back to that next month yeah no no we're waiting I'm sure we'll probably get back around probably around September

we'll talk about it you know what I'm sure that'll be plenty of time for the rough streets to like really build up the proper tints it's going to get real hot so people are going to be tent

that's what I'm saying out there yeah that's right anything is possible so daddy and I have worked in this industry in various capacities for quite a while. I've done the local radio. You've done the local radio.

But something I had to remember about me doing local radio is I did not do local radio in an NFL market, right? Like I did local radio in the Research Triangle area of North Carolina, Riley Durham and Chapel Hill. So like the off-month football discussion, not really like there. Then you get to do a. national stuff. And it's like, oh, man, if worse comes to words, who's going to win the NFC West?

You just throw that shit out there and people are like, hell yeah. Let me get some of that. Like, have you seen The Odyssey yet? I have. Okay. Like, I feel like whenever we throw this, that kind of stuff out there, everybody listening to us should turn into a pig. You know what I mean? Like, you're just greedy. You're just greedy right now. Like, you're just so hungry. You're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just, you're just. And then Kyle shanahann, got into the car accident and then they hit it, which then made it something for us to discuss. Otherwise, it had just been TMP, baby, thoughts and prayers. Amen. Yeah, and for us at Fox, like, we did so much World Cup. Uh, uh, and, And like then the LeBron saga and the offseason and NBA movement, it's like, we normally will have done six weeks of make believe NFL stories right now. We didn't even get to an NFL top 100 list story until they had already released like 100 through 70. I'm like, that's awesome.

Like I don't have to, I don't have to be caping for Jeffrey Simmons being snubbed at number 83. But we're not doing those topics right now. It's been great. Yeah. Like this is, however. say all that to say for the people. We're going to be doing some of that NFL stuff.

Football season, baby. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I live for football season. You know, that's why we get into this sort of thing on the national level. So, I mean, it's NFL 365, man. I'm here for it. But like I think about it on a local level,

like doing it Chicago, for example, you kind of at least got something always to talk about or a phone line to turn on. It's when you do it for national that I'm like, guys, we got to look at ourselves in the in the like like we'll just never talk about baseball huh well yeah baseball baseball is really tough on the national level because unless you're doing like do you like the pitch clock yes you like automatic bowls and strikes like is show hey otani the greatest of all time like

unless you're doing like super broad things people would rather watch you know a 70 win reds team than a hundred if you're in Cincinnati then a hundred win you know philly's team or whatever the case may be like it's just so localized uh but man and chicago is a fun NFL market or fun radio market to do it in because like while we love the bulls and some people love the black hawks and we love the cubs and some people love the white socks everyone loves the bears yeah which is it's a true football town and so like with the bears being relevant i was texting with my old producer just the other day. Because I saw something that they tweeted out.

And I was like, dude, why are you not just doing Colston Loveland, Luther Bird and Roma Dunes, and Caleb Williams, Ben Johnson, every single day. And that's just, that's the show, every single day. Just keep it going. Yeah, I mean, but like, I feel like with the Bears, you kind of get you guys like the same art because everybody goes through the same mark. Right now, why wouldn't you be optimistic? Like, there's no, that you get, you have nothing to gain from the, I don't want to hear it.

No, no, no, no, I'm saying, I'm not, hold on, hold on, hold on. I'm not. I'm not talking about this year. Okay. I'm speaking generally in terms of whipping up this sausage. Yeah. There are other shows where people would say the word pause right there. But for most teams, pick a market.

We'll call it the Titans right now. Thank you. There's no reason not to be optimistic right now. And then the shit come crashing down. And then you go back to beg being unhappy. But for right now, you talk yourself into what it is. And for the bears, that's what it's been. But!

But this year, because of Caleb Williams and last year's interesting success, shall we say. I recall there being a lot of really close games. Yeah. That always bodes well. Anyway, Caldell Williams is on a long list that will be what we talk about largely in this show. It is very interesting, which is with Patrick Mahomes having not been truly excellent the last couple of years, at least on a consistent basis, right? still capable of moments. And now coming off of an ACL tear,

it's really about every other quarterback. And it feels like, with the exception, and I mean, you could probably find a few more. Like, I think Cam Ward avoids this list. Matthew Stafford avoids this list.

Interestingly enough, Sam Darnold avoids this list. But it feels like every quarterback in the NFL is on the clock. In some former fashion, every single one of them is on the clock other than, I guess Mahomes is not on the clock, at least one would think. But, you know, he's still black, anything that. But everybody's on the clock.

And Caleb Williams, it feels almost unfair, but he showed enough last year that he now enters this year, not with the, ooh, I wonder what he's going to do this year. But he better do it this year. Yeah, listen, if Caleb backslides this year, it'll be massively disappointing. And based on your intro here, I don't know that we can watch week one Bears Panthers together. Because I will have- Oh, we can watch Bears Panthers. I would have so much, like, they're going to need to win that game by double digits. And if they struggle, I don't know that I can have you off to my left just shirping about last year being a fluke.

So I might be there for you with week two on, but week one. I might be a little too stressed in a should win game for the Bears. A Bears season with hype and expectation is a rare place for me. How many times does that happen? Like three? Yeah, I mean. Post-Dicta. Yeah, like honestly, like, because, yeah, 20, off of the NFC championship game, Bears Packers,

2010, like there was pretty big 2011 height. You know, I had a lot of year one Ben Johnson hype last year, not really to win anything, just like genuine week one excitement to see what it would be. You know, the Super Bowl team that lost to Peyton kind of was like way better than expected. They were supposed to be good, but they were way better than expected. So yeah, like preseason week one massive like hype. It's less than five. And I will say this, like preseason week one, we could have the MVP of the league hype.

literally never in my life. Yeah. Like literally. And I know like it's a million things have to go right for him to actually win MVP. But like it's, you could squint and see a world where it happens. I, I know I'm a bit of a homer on this. But I think a few things. Caleb's physical talent is undeniable.

Anybody who could watch it and it can see the highs and be like, yeah, that guy can do everything on the field. If he can improve from 68 seconds. in year one to 24 in year two, year one with Ben Johnson. He was the most sacked quarterback since David Carr, and then he became excellent at it, given how much he throws, how much he scrambles, all of those things. The interception rate has stayed really low, and he clearly, again, has the physical talents, the clutchness, whatever you want to say about it. If he improves that much from year one to year two, year one with Ben Johnson,

if you agree, and I know you and I have disagreed a little bit on the genius of the boy wonder Ben Johnson from your time with the lions. But like I happen to think that as an offensive play caller and like quarterback friendly coach, Ben Johnson is knocking on the door that Sean McVeigh and Kyle Shanahan and Andy Reid are on the other side of it. Like I think he is going to be that level of offensive coach. So if I have that level of quarterback talent with that level of offensive coach, I don't see him backsliding. Like, I think he's going to keep improving. I will be floored if he doesn't. So let me say this about Big Brain Ben. Thank you.

I feel better about Big Brain Ben than I did going in. And the reason is, after watching a year of the Lions without Ben Johnson, I realize how much of the stuff that made me call him Big Brain Ben was actually Dan Campbell. Oh, yeah, interesting. Right? Like a lot of those crazy people. play calls and like, why are we doing this at this time? I watched Dan Campbell do that stuff without Ben Johnson.

And they made me stop and say, okay, maybe I have put too much on Big Brain Ben when a lot of this goes to Dano, right? So, okay, like, I feel better about him in that, you know, in that way. My thing with Williams at this point is he is a moments guy. People are going to hear me say this a lot. I had an epiphany over the summer watching the World Cup about the significance of being a moment's guy, right? where I have a high value

for consistency, but there's something about the guy that can just give you moments. And Candle Williams can absolutely give you moments. And what you hope for, if you're the bears under those circumstances, is that when the moments aren't happening, at least he's not being actively detrimental.

Taking 68 sacks is being actively detrimental. Not taking those sacks and not throwing picks, but being able to make like the big splash. In a way, what you're asking for, like what you hope the floor for Caleb Williams is, it's like a Joe Flacco, like when Joe Flacco was very good type, right? Which is to say, you can win a Super Bowl with Joe Flacco

because Joe Flacco could make big plays and could get the ball down the field and you saw that during that postseason. You saw them also go to conference championships with Joe Flacko where he was not the reason why they lost, right? Like, this is not, I'm saying this as a floor for what you'd hope for for Caleb Williams. Is that, right? If he minimizes the mistakes and just simply shows the ability that he show. The ceiling, obviously, is much higher.

But what you hope for at this point is after last year that, okay, now maybe you're happy with a couple of more interceptions because he's playing at a high enough level to try to do more things, not just because he's forced to by circumstance and situations, and you hope that that raises the ceiling in some total, which I think is totally possible. Yeah, and I guess the only thing I agree with you on like, listen, Aaron Rogers is 45 touchdown six interception season. Like that's one of the greatest seasons I've ever seen.

Not normal, but I think that's what Caleb is shooting for. He talks about emulating his game after Rogers. You said that is totally possible. Why is it not likely? Like I just, he clearly. going from Matt Eberfluse to Ben Johnson improved so much, went from 20 touchdowns to 30 total touchdowns. The sack numbers like I talked about, won a playoff game,

got better as the year went on. Loveland is young. Doonese is young. It's a young group of skill guys around them. They all are in now their second year with Ben Johnson. Why would I not expect the curve to keep going, the exponential growth? I don't, I'm sure I'm missing.

something, but like, why would he not get better, given everything that he has going for him with himself and that's around him? Oh, it's just that quarterback development, especially in statistical senses, is typically nonlinear. I feel you, like, listen, I think that the bears are going to regress. Like, people will hear me and say, I'm a homer, like, here's where they will for sure regress. They will not lead the league in takeaways again. They will not lead the league in fourth quarter comebacks again. Four out of five offensive linemen for them last year. year played over 90% of the snaps. Like they will be more injured in,

in front of Caleb. But will they be better? Because part of the problem was especially the ones up to middle, right? Well, so, Dolman had the surprise retirement at center, which was, which is a huge blow because they went out and got Garrett Bradbury, who's like a replacement level player

and not very good. And then they had to use the second round pick on the kid out of Iowa, Logan Jones. We'll see who ends up playing. And they don't know who the left tackle is. right now. So that's, that's bad. That is definitely, they got a lot of names, but none of them are all that inspiring. Left guard is Joe Tuny. He's excellent. One of the best offensive linemen in football. Darnell Wright might now be the best right tackle in football, given that Penae Sewell moved from right tackle to left tackle. He was second team all pro last year. He's excellent. And right guard,

Jonah Jackson is pretty good. So I'd say three of the five spots, two of the five spots are excellent. one of the five spots is good and center and left tackle are question marks which is bad given that those are probably the two most important spots on the offensive line. So it's definitely a question for the bears this year. But I also

the defense was crazy injured last year. Like I don't think the defense will be excellent but I do think they will be a little bit better and I expect Caleb to make a huge leap to cover up for some of those areas of obvious repression. I will say this fair or not. I feel like he is And I don't know if it's just because he was good last year. I'm not sure. But he's not getting

like the optimistic outlook that I feel like can come if you so choose coming into this year. Year two, Caleb Williams is better than year two Josh Allen was in Buffalo. And year two, Caleb Williams was better in the postseason than year two Josh Allen was. But every year we walk into it just with the hope for Josh Allen. We're still doing that shit now. We're going into year nine and it's still cross your fingers and hope that hope that everything goes right for Josh this year, right? Canada Williams, for whatever the reasons may be, he does not necessarily receive that.

And that's why I've had him on the clock part. It's not even because I'm skeptical of him. Like, I think he showed me a lot last year in terms of, like, where I think that this can ultimately go for him. I'm not as high on him as I was when he was a sophomore in college, like where I think the ultimate results can be. But it really, really good. I'm just curious to see how that's going to go with a measure of pressure,

especially when it's pressure on one of them teams that, like, usually isn't good. You know what I mean? Like, especially in a giant city, it's a little bit different because people are like, people are on edge about those things. Oh, dude, I mean, we've crowned him. Like, if, if Caleb, like, drafting Mitch Trebisky over Patrick Bahomes is a haunting thing. okay like that's just that that scars a generation why don't you say jason you could have taken jason

dude i was there's some there's some radio tape of me campaigning for dshawn watson i mean that would have been good and bad at the same time you know what i mean yeah yeah no doubt the i don't know if i've told you this story before but i've told it publicly but i find it to be hilarious because the joke is at my expense but like literally seven to ten days before the scandal story broke about Deshawn Watson. I did a segment. I'm like, it was just a, what would you do? What would you give up, you know, for a Bears franchise quarterback?

And I said I would trade my dog for Deshawn Watson. A, the dog was a birthday present for my wife. B, like, Deshawn Watson has like, I think he's got like 19 total touchdown since. Like it was just, that take age like an avocado. It was horrible. Oh,

man, that's crazy. But now we're going to see. I was like, I would give him up. Yeah. I was like, Deshawn Watson.

He's 23 and 5,000 yards with Bill O'Brien. You know, I was like, he was a captain in college. Like, I was like, it all flipped at one. It all flipped at once.

I mean, he was like the model city, like, the story of like, it was just like, him and his mom and they grew up in the Habitat for Humanity House that work done and paid for. And like now Deshaun was taking care of his mom and giving back. And I was like, this guy is perfect.

How could you possibly pass on him? And then we found out he's nasty. And then we found out. Yeah, we learned. He's a little nasty, right? Yeah. It goes. I mentioned Josh Allen.

Yeah. Hey, man, they just fired the coach that you've had for nine years, right? the coach that, I mean, keep it by, the coach that went to the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor and the ill-fated half of the Peter Man in 2017. But it's basically been treated by all that this team has let Josh down. Even though Josh in major postseason moments past the wild card round as our buddy nickel tell people has not necessarily been great, right? Yes, there was the 13th second game.

There have been things. But the general consensus around. this has always been that the bills are letting Josh Allen down, basically. It's almost as though Josh Allen deserves what the end result, you know, the highest end result that is possible. Under most circumstances, if you're the quarterback and you've had a coach that's had the level of success that you had and they fired him to keep you and they hired the coach that you want it, they're treating you like an NBA player, we will be looking at you like,

hey, it's kick ass or else time. No question, and it is, right? Like, Drew on the show, you know, calls S-Bob, Super Bowl or bust. Like Josh Allen is Super Bowl or bust, obviously. I think that, like, if you were going to say Mahomes isn't the best quarterback in football anymore because he hasn't had an MVP caliber regular season since 2022, hasn't had a consistent stretch since, you know, he was Super Bowl MVP in 2023 and he was unbelievable in those playoffs. Like, I do think that it's totally fair to say that Josh.

Allen is the best quarterback in football right now if you're not going to grandfather Mahomes into it. And I definitely on the spectrum of Josh Allen critic to Apologists probably come out on the side of Apologist. The turnovers in that playoff game against Denver, he has to wear him. No question. The guy's got 29 touchdowns and six picks in the playoffs. But when you break them down. Oh, okay. heavily skewed toward the seven seed. Sure. At home.

Sure. He, three of his five playoff losses, he scored 29 or more points. His defense is given up over 30. Like, he just, Josh Allen is not Lamar Jackson in that when Lamar Jackson's playoff numbers plummet. Josh Allen's playoff numbers, you could say he bumslays a little bit. Sure. Doesn't get the one seat.

play a wild card round. Playoffs have expanded. First round gets watered down. I'm here for all of that and agree with all of it. He definitely feasts on some famine. No question. But Lamar Jackson, his playoff numbers do not resemble his regular season numbers. No. Josh Allen does. Like, like, so I do, I do generally speaking believe that Josh Allen is a good playoff quarterback. and I will be shocked if he doesn't one day win a Lombardi trophy. McDermott getting fired, you know, life's not fair, I guess, but there was clearly a lot that went on in that locker room after that game. The defense has given up a ton in playoff moments,

and sometimes change just needs to happen. They brought in what Jim Leonard, the dude from Denver to be their new defensive coordinator. We'll see. But yeah, it's Josh's show, man. Like he's on the clock reputationally, obviously not in any sort of like financial way or not the quarterback of the bills way. But he's on the clock reputational. Yeah.

All I'm saying is this, we're in a world where Lamar Jackson is on the clock. Yeah. There's no way to me that those guys are on different schedules, no matter what you say about postseason performance. The ultimate criticism of each kind of sort of remains the same where is it just a job, is it just a job? Josh Allen's fault that they lost those games? Not necessarily. It ain't his fault they won them either. Like with the level of caliber of quarterback.

Yeah, they beat teams they were supposed to be. Yeah. At this point, you're supposed to be, especially of like the other guys, Bo Nix. But you're supposed to be the reason why they win these. Now, Josh early, there was the terrible game in 2019 against Houston, where he just completely lost his mind at the end of the game. And he is still capable of the occasional freak out Josh

Allen moments. Lamar Jackson has looked overwhelmed in post seasons, but I feel like that has turned up. Like, what you say about Josh Allen, I think that there's been a clear turn with Lamar in that game that they blew in Buffalo, right, with Mark Andrews dropping the test. Those are, Lamar started, started slow, got that shit all the way back together. And I do not think that if that's Josh Allen, we talk about that game purely in the context of how Mark Andrews let Lamar Jackson down, right? in a way that would almost wipe out everything that had happened previously. Yeah, Lamar played well enough to win that game, even if you, even if you struggled early.

Yeah, I'm just saying they're on the same clock, at least over here. They're on the same clock. Now, Lamar's on a different clock because of the contract, but to me it is comical. The idea that Baltimore or anybody around Baltimore would for a moment raise the possibility of maybe we'll want to get somebody else. I agree. That is that I mean, listen, Lamar is one of the toughest, if not the toughest players in the whole league to game plan against. He's, he's spectacular. If you told me I got on a given Sunday, I'm getting a quarterback's best. It's hard not to take Lamar Jackson because his best is unbelievably high in the moment. Like I said, questions in the playoffs. This is something that, I don't know if you'll agree with or not. Whose 30s will be better?

I think both of them have the potential of a drop. Both are heavily dependent on athleticism. Both, I think, are better at, like, doing the thing from the pocket than they get credit for. I think Lamar actually operates a little better on timing stuff than Josh Allen does. Like, you don't see a lot of Josh Allen, one, two, three, throw, one, two, three, four, five, throw. one, two, three, four, five, throw. Like, the big thing with Josh Allen is, if you go send somebody, you better bring his big ass down

and you probably can't. So now, you know, what are you going to do? Both of them are susceptible to a, well, you remember you had that one injury and then nothing was the same. Yeah, so I, both of them's a bit of a cop out. Like, and I understand. I don't think that's a cop out at all.

I think it holds for both of them. So I think that, they're both unbelievable running quarterbacks, right? To your point, they both seriously rely on athleticism. Josh is up there. I was just looking at it the other day. Lamar is the all-time rushing leader for quarterbacks. He has the most rushing first downs of any quarterback since he entered the league.

But Josh is one behind him in terms of rushing first downs. Josh is obviously ahead of him for rushing touchdowns because he kind of does the Jalen Hertz thing where there's a lot of like one, two, three-yarders inside the. five, that sort of thing. Lamar last year when he was playing through the injuries, the rushing first downs, the rushing yards, the rushing attempts, they were all career lows. But he still played in 13 games.

Like he clearly was not running as much, playing through the nagging hamstring, whatever. And a lot of it dropped in terms of some of the passing efficiency. In his MVP year, two years ago, all of those passing stats, to your point, he was amazing. Yards per attempt, QBR, pass-a-rating, led the league in all of them. can pass the football. I'm not saying he can't. But what I wonder is whose passing is more helped by the threat of their running. Like you have to defend them differently all over the field because of their running. And I think that's Lamar because Lamar will like take off and beat you for 40 yards. So you got to really worry about Lamar's running at the 30 at the 50 like all over

the field, whereas Josh is such a dangerous red zone running threat that I would bet on Josh having like a Ben Rothlisberger 30s, just a big dude who guys are going to bounce off of and he'll be strong forever and he can stand there in the pocket. So like I would take Josh's 30s over Lamar's 30s. I can see the argument for it. I think that as the 30s go on, the threat of the big of the big run from Jackson diminishes. Yeah. Right. I think he as passer remains very, very good. I think that I think that people need to take a look at what the college offense was that he ran. Because I think that people have a tendency to think that he was out there running like a Chip Kelly scheme out there at Louisville.

And instead it was the incredibly difficult Bobby Petrino dropped back and pass. And it wasn't really a whole lot of scrambling. It was a lot of stay in the pocket and make it happen. And every year, Lamar has been better and better and better. as staying in the pocket and getting that done. I don't have a great gauge on how much of that is a pure function of the fact that, oh, by the way, he might run 40 yards on you, right? Like, does that put teams in positions where they can't run as much man

because you can't have those dudes turn their back on them? Because suddenly he's going to run behind them. I think that also applies with, like, that applies greatly also with Josh Allen. I do get your big thing, though, is that he's a big giant guy that'll be out there playing in the cold. And, you know, it can keep going. going maybe. The real question I think that answers this is, do we think either of them is going to suffer like some sort of big giant lower body injury? Yeah, and obviously no one wants to

predict it. Who the hell knows. I will say like, I think that, and again, this is just for right now, like Lamar, I think the best, obviously Derek Henry father time will see like he's unbelievable. Yeah. But the best help that Lamar could have this year is I think their defense can be excellent. I don't see much of a path for Buffalo's defense being excellent. Josh has an awesome offensive line. James Cook is a running back. They added DJ more like,

I think Josh has much better help on the offensive side of the ball than Lamar does going into this year. Like they, Zayflowers, I'm just not a fan of. He's just too small, too, too small, too inconsistent, runs backwards when he catches the ball too much.

I'm like, dude, go forward. What are you doing? They lost likely, lost Linderbom. I just counted on that rookie out of Penn State who everybody loves, but like you're still starting a rookie and you use the top 15 pick on him. So he's got to be great immediately. Derek Henry 33, I think this year, 32, 33. So like I just, they're asking Lamar to carry a huge piece of it.

offensively where I do think Josh has more help going into the year on the offensive side of the ball. The flip side, of course, is, can't stop the run. Cannot stop the run. And I do think that Minter, the new coach in Baltimore, he overachieved with the Chargers defense. And now he's got way better talent in the, on the rate. Like, I think the Ravens defense could be top five this year. I just don't know that would help Lamar a lot. It is entirely possible and we don't think about this because of reputation. But it isn't, I'm shocked by how excited. and everybody in New York is about hiring a coach that somebody just fired. Like, I don't feel like this is Andy Reid leaving Philadelphia.

It is definitely not. You know what I mean? Like, I just don't think it's that sort of situation. Lamar Jackson saved John Harbaugh's job in 2018. And I think a question that we're going to see is going to be interesting to see if he gets answered is whether or not much of what we've seen for Lamar has been in spite or for the Ravens has been in spite of the head coach as opposed to being because of. the head coach, which is what I think that we have kind of rolled with as a default assumption. But it was time for a new head coach. I totally agree.

And as someone who owned a lot of Justin Herbert stock, I was always amazing. It's what Minter was able to do with the defensive injuries that they kept having with the Chargers. I think he's a really good coach. So I do think Baltimore has a very high defensive ceiling. All right. Coming up next, we'll talk about what other quarterbacks are on the clock. The Right Time is brought to you by Fanduel. Baseball fans, think you know who's hitting a homer today?

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hands immediately on the clock because they don't like him. Dude, he's played 10 games. I've never seen it like only Josh Rosen. And Josh Rosen even was a special case because the next coach came in who ran a particular style of offense. And they got the number one pick. Yes. That was a huge piece of that. Like it's like, oh, well, we have this limited athlete. We can now draft Kyler Murray. Right. But yeah, I mean, Kevin O'Connell, respected offensive coach.

They traded up, albeit one spot, but trade it up to take JJ McCarthy 10 games and they might be on the outs. But I will say, like, I will be floored if J.J. McCarthy starts week one. Absolutely gobsmacked by it. Tyler Murray could have been a jet. He could have been a dolphin. Who knows? Maybe he could have been a stealer if things went differently. I don't think Kyler Murray.

Now, I know that he would believe in himself that he could beat out JJ McCarthy and they've got an amazing defense and he gets to throw to Justin Jefferson and playing a dome. There's lots of reasons to want to be a Viking over a dolphin or a jet. I get that.

But Kyler Murray is more talented than JJ McCarthy. He's going to win that job. He had a better year last year than J.J. McCarthy. Of course. Of course. This one is easy. Truth is, best case scenario for the Vikings is that J.J. McCarthy wins the job. You know what I mean?

Like that he comes in and wins it. Worst case scenario is that J.J. McCarthy wins the job. That either means something has gone spectacularly or something has gone terribly. And I don't know, you and I have never really talked about Kyle and Murray, but

I think people have turned on Kyle of Murray because they don't like them. Like, that's the big issue that he has. I've never seen a quarterback who's like the guys that played with him so willing in public to be like, no, no, no, I don't know about that guy. But I just watch Sam Darnold win a championship. And people are asking if Kyler Murray can be the next Sam Darnold.

Sam Darnold had never been as good as Kyle Murray was when Kyle Murray was when Tyler Murray was young. And I'm not convinced that if you put Kyle of Murray on those same Seahawks, that they don't win the Super Bowl. Like this was not because of the positives of Sam Darnold necessarily. I'm just saying all that to say, Kyle Murray is still an NFL quarterback. I understand that somebody just paid all this money

so that he would not play, but he's going to be the starter for them and they're going to have a chance to win a lot of there because they won a lot up there last year with flat bummery at quarterback. Yeah, and won 14 games the year before. But they're not great Sam Donald, no matter what anybody tells.

Yeah, right, especially late. And listen, Sam Darnold, I do think, like you said, he's not on the clock because he won the Super Bowl. I would have said he's not on the clock after that NFC championship game. He was spectacular in that game against the Rams. So, like, I got to give it up for him. But Kyler, I am largely with you. Like, part of it is circumstance. Like, I don't know that I would think that Kyler Murray would be great if he was on the Jets.

But, no, but I don't know if Josh Allen would be great on the Jets. Right, exactly. But like, throwing to Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison with Kevin O'Connell calling the plays and a Brian Flores defense behind you, that team has a high floor. Like, I don't know if they're going to win the Super Bowl because I think, I mean, we saw it last year. Like, you could win nine games and finish last in that division. So, like, a huge piece of the NFC North is just going to be injury luck and how the ball bounces in the division games. The division is so good top to bottom. But Kyler Murray represents a much higher ceiling than anything J.J. McCarthy has exhibited.

Like that one, that's just an easy one to me at this point. Yeah. By the way, in that division. Like, I don't know if I get to throw one out to you. Of course you do. Okay. By the way, Jordan Love, you're not on the clock. Jared Gough, your life is the clock.

Go ahead. Yeah. All right. C.J. Stroud. On the clock, no question. maybe the most literal. Yeah, he's on the hot clock. Like, they're calling the clock.

Does it feel sufficient? Well, but like, it is fascinating. Like, okay. They're like, well, they said like, it wasn't much of a debate to pick up the option. Well, no shit. If you didn't pick up the option, it would be like, he's gone.

He's off the team. C.J. Stroud, his rookie year, I said at the time, I thought people were overrating it a little bit. It was impressive for what it wasn't. He didn't throw a lot of interceptions. I think he finished that season with five interceptions or something like that. And it was like 20, 21 touchdowns. I think five or six of them happened in one game.

He was like smart and serviceable and fine and whatever. And since then, that's like 20 plus games. By and large, he has been bad. And that is, yes, it has coincided with losing tonsil and bad offensive line play. And he's gotten hit a lot. And the tanked out injury, Nico Collins injury, obviously it's been rough. But they are the best defensive football. They should be a Super Bowl contender with passable quarterback play.

Absolutely. Like, like, content, like, I would say like short-list Super Bowl contender. Like, best pass-rush duo in the NFL, arguably best cornerback do. Well, hold on. Best pass rush duo for now. Oh, in case Sarandonel comes to that. Yeah, fair. Fair.

Totally fair. Go ahead. Totally fair. Best pass rush duo in the NFL for now. Arguably best cornerback duo in the NFL. Great defensive play caller head coach in Dimeco rounds. Returned all 11 starters from, from their defense. Like, they are, their defense is nasty.

So, I don't know. He can't be the 20. fourth best quarterback in the NFL. Like he has to be, if he is a top half quarterback, if he is better than Baker Mayfield, they absolutely can win the Super Bowl. But look at what it's been for the last

basically two seasons, man. It's crazy, man. It is crazy. I did think it was fair to say that his first year was overrated, but he was good. He was the only reason they did not bench him in New England is because you couldn't.

Yes, he was terrible. There's a world where, like, you just can't go back from that. Right. Like, and so, like, listen, the reason it was good, it was good, but people were talking about it like,

it was like in the all-time rookie quarterback seasons. Yes. And I was like, no, like give me Cam Newton, give me Justin Herbert, give me Jaden Daniels. Like, we've seen a lot better rookie seasons

that his rookie season reminded me like Dak Prescott. Like, it was like, oh wow like that came in that didn't make mistakes DAC kept Tony Romo on the bench that that was impressive but like not they were winning

because of him necessarily but man I just like are we positive he's going to be better than Bryce Young like I don't know how far I need to go with this that's another guy his class also on the clock but like I just alarm bells would be going off

if I was a Houston Texan fan yeah and trust me they will be. You know, of course. And I know you know the city in the market way better than I do. I just,

he's really likable. He's clearly very smart. But like, I don't know that there's a single quarterback. People talk about like Baker Mayfield. Baker's playing for a lot of money. Yeah. But Baker's probably

going to get franchise tagged. Like, you know, like Baker? Yeah, I'm not sure on that one. Yeah, we'll see. We'll see. But like, Baker's made over $130 million. Yes. Baker's done enough for long enough places that Baker Mayfield is going to be paid to be a starting quarterback and have probably a couple of options beyond this year if he's not franchised. Man, I don't know about C.J. Stroud. I don't know. The analytics people seem to disagree. They seem to think that it is a product of circumstance and that he will be better. But I have some serious questions about that, dude.

Man, he looked, it just looks so bad the last time I saw him. Like, I got to give him, I have to give him the room to move away from that because it just looks so awful. By the way, Bo Nix, he's not on the clock. Bo Nix is not only not on the clock. Still don't believe it. Still don't believe it. So I don't either. But Bo Nix, they had 11 wins in one score games, tied the NFL record. Eight of those 11 wins came against non-playoff teams.

You were watching those Broncos games and it was like, they're losing to the Giants in the fourth quarter? Like, you know what I mean? They play down to the Jets and the Giants and the Raiders. Like they were so bad. And then he'd pull something out in the fourth quarter. But I will say, in the quarterback class of Jade and Daniels, arguably the best rookie season ever,

Drake May, been in a Super Bowl, MVP runner up, Caleb Williams spectacular talent with an MVP ceiling who won a playoff game. Bo Nix has more yards, more touchdowns, and more wins than all of them.

Yeah. I mean, yeah. I kind of feel the same way. Yeah. All numbers that don't go a long way with me, it's a fair point to make, but I know this, Sean Payton,

and we were hearing the reports from Colin, and if Colin's telling you, I think Sean Peyton died, It's because Sean Peyton da-da-da-da. Yeah, yeah. And it was sounding like he wouldn't, I don't know how far those games, how far that all went.

I don't, I don't have the answer. Drake May also, ooh, that's going to be an interesting one. So Drake May, I would be pretty shocked if he was bad. I don't know if he's going to be bad, but everything is set up for them to not be that good. You mean like schedule being tougher and all that? Schedule being tougher.

you know, all the madness of the off season, whatever effect that does or does not have, but also just generally how it tends to go for a team that goes to the Super Bowl and does not win it. Yeah. And by the way, with the quarterback who did not play well in the postseason. Yes, I do think that's at least,

we now have our first data points on like if he is a guy who is going to not be as good in the playoffs or not. But like I need to see that like longer into your career before I'm going to like assign that to you, you know, first trip to the play. playoffs and all that. They, they to me seem like a pretty obvious better team, worst record, like obviously worst record. They won 14 games. But like adding Dobbs and A.J. Brown, another year Drake May, health on the offensive line. I'd be surprised if Drake May had a bad season.

But, you know. Yes, that's funny, because I wouldn't. I wouldn't necessarily like give up on him completely under those circumstances, but a bad season is absolutely on the board. Yeah. I love, listen, I love them coming out. I thought he was really impressive last year with, man, he did not have a lot of help. Like, it was, it was what? It was digs and booty and, like, it was, now you get A.J. Brown and Romeo Dobs. Like, that is a significant upgrade.

It is. Like, that is a significant upgrade. So he was able to do what he was able to do last year where again he was like the analytic darling all of the advanced metrics pointed to him. Stafford had all the counting stats. It was like an interesting counting stats v. analytic MVP debate.

And Drake took a lot of votes there and he just got a huge upgraded pass catcher. So the path to him being bad is stuff like, well, teams that lose in the Super Bowl or like offseason distraction, which is totally like those are real things that absolutely do impact things,

but they're not on the field football reasons. He has way more offensive talent around him this year. So I would expect him to be better. Speaking of also on the clock, and as I thought about it, I keep thinking of more guys that aren't necessarily on the clock, but whatever. I am personally very interested in Cincinnati

because I think, again, another guy that everybody treats as though the franchise is letting him down, but I will never forget this. We've talked about it on this show. I don't know why it hasn't been discussed in more places. But during the Super Bowl, Jamar Chase, and I can't remember which may have been T. Higgins, I don't think so, but Jamar Chase and another bangle,

I think they were talking to Shannon Sharp doing a podcast on Radio Row. And it was Chase making it very clear that Joe Burrow bore a measure of responsibility for the injuries that he has suffered and that he needs to take care. of himself. I am shocked that that never turned into a big, giant story. I don't even know if anybody ever like aggregated it or turned it in any story. I know, I mean, I saw it. It was like, and we talked about it on this show. So I did my part spread where it got damn. But I say all that, I mentioned that just because they made the move for Dexter Lawrence to make their defense better. They have given Joe Burrow all the guys on offense

that he has ever wanted. And look, they made. that Super Bowl in his second year. That was five years ago. Like, that doesn't really matter anymore. Um, what you got? Big Dog? Yeah, listen. He said it. I, I love him. I think he's great. He is great. It's on you now. It, it, well, so, so it's a fascinating one. He also said after the Dexter Lawrence trade that this is now the best roster that he's ever had. Like, yeah. And that's a guy that went to a Super Bowl and, you know, they've, like, to your point, they paid T. Higgins and Jamar Chase. Everyone knew they were going to pay Burrow and Chase, but they paid all three. So like that kind of bucked some of the stereotype of them being cheap.

Where the stereotype of them being cheap is just the fact of them being cheap is they have never paid a coach to go away. Yeah. Since the current ownership is taken over, they have never paid a head coach. And by the current ownership is the only ownership they've ever had. Yeah, right. There you go. But didn't Mike Brown take over in like...

Yeah, from his dad. I guess I'd do that all the same. Yeah, fair enough. Yeah, but like since, because I think that the paying a coach to go away thing does go back to Mike Brown. I think there was a coach in like the 70s or whatever. But regardless, not the point. They don't pay coaches to go away. So like, if this doesn't work, Zach Taylor clearly gets like accountability before Joe Burrow does.

But the thing that we definitely talked plenty about as us national talking heads. and I definitely think is relevant, is tick, tick, tick on Joe Burrow getting fed up with Cincinnati. Like he can say the right things and they can pay his friends and he'll probably ride it out for another head coach and for Jamar Chase and T. Higgins is prime, but quarterback's prime is longer than wide receivers prime. Like, I will be gobsmacked if Joe Burrow is a career bangle.

So it is an interesting question because Carson Palmer famously put a for sale sign in his yard and quit them. And got away with it. Amazing. And the only reason he could get away with it is because they were the Cincinnati Bengals. Yep. I don't think that people look at the Bengals now the way that they did, I guess that's now almost 20 years ago. But the way that they did at that time, Burrow can get fed up with them. But I do think the question is fair to ask, like, what part are you fed up with exactly?

because they seem to have done all the things. Yeah, I mean, again, other than, like, I do think that most teams would have fired Jack Taylor by now. Yeah, you know what? That becomes an interesting story again, because I would have fired Zach Taylor before they ever got to the Super Bowl. And then he got to the Super Bowl. What I, I don't think you're wrong about it,

that somebody else probably would have let him go. But I feel like he's put up that just good enough to keep things going situation. Right, but that's Oh yeah. Okay, 9 at 8, 9, 8, 6, and 11. Yeah. Yeah, you're normally fired by now. You're normally fired, man. I mean, you're, I mean, like, the easy example is like, he's obviously fired in Philadelphia, you know? Yeah. Like, you know, so yeah, so I think, I think that that one is like a pretty easy dot to connect with like they, if he,

if he didn't have an extra year on his deal, he would have been fired before this year. So that's a thing that I think you can point to. Um, but no, They have now spent money. And I don't think Dexter Lawrence fixes everything for them defensively, obviously. But they have massive amounts of pressure on them. Burrow has massive amounts of pressure on him. And even if he reputationalally took a bit of a ding, though, for like turning on Cincinnati one to five years in the future, to your point, he's so awesome that half the damn league would be lining up to acquire Joe Burrow. Right away, we got like more guys that we could have gotten to on the clock.

I will get one more and I'm trying to, you know, you got out. So hopefully this don't go on too long. But I can, I let me text and I'll get, I'll get myself an extra couple of minutes. Yeah. Super Bowl champion Jalen Hertz. Oh. He's so on the clock. Dude, they leaked to that story to ESPN that had the anecdote about how he doesn't have any more guaranteed money after this year.

Like, what next? Like that one's in writing how he's how much he's on the clock. My goodness. Yeah. It's it is a, that one is obvious. Like he's he's beloved in Philly until he isn't. A.J. Brown leaves. If the problems remain, then A.J. Brown wasn't the problem.

The money factor. And they are wildly talented. Like it's a, it is still one of the best two through 53 rosters in the NFL, even without AJ Brown. Like, their defense is absolutely ridiculous. Their offensive line was injured last year. But like, if a casual NFL fan knows four names on your offensive line, your offensive line's awesome. Like, and their offensive line has it. And they still have Sequin and they still have Devante.

Like, yeah, man, that team is, we talked about Houston, Super Bowl ready without the quarterback. It's tougher to say with Philly given that we've talked about this before. Like he's he's we've talked about this before. I can't he's I I'm pretty confident I know what Jalen Hertz is except for he's been amazing in two Super Bowls. He's outplayed Patrick my holmes in two super balls that's seen to with my own eyes. Yeah. So like I I always we've done this conversation now probably three times in a couple of years and I always get to that point where it's like well I got to give him that. But yeah, man. He's definitely on the clock. They're going to be in everything.

Of course, they got a coach that nobody trust. Never seeing a team that good and nobody believes in the coach or the quarterback. They have another new play caller, an offensive coordinator. They do. Jaylen Hertz has had a new offensive coordinator every year that he has played big time football. It's the craziest stat. I have my guy Troy update the graphic every year for me on first things first. Every year in college, every year in the pros, he has the same number of

play callers as he does years playing college or NFL football. If you win with him, you'll get promoted. Yes. Or he'll get you fired. Yes. Yes, it is the best way to synthesize it. But like, if, so if, if Sean Mannion doesn't do a good job, doesn't do like the Shane Steichen, like, level job with it, it's like, well, at some point does Nick

Siriani get fired? You're the offensive coach who doesn't call the plays and you keep hiring coordinators who doesn't get the most out of your quarterback you gave $250 million to. Yeah. And the shame of this show, we didn't get to talk about the one guy that's not another guy that's actually not on the clock. Justin Herbert. Yeah, we ran out of time, Bo.

Yeah. Mike McDaniel's going to save him. That's the thing. We actually got a whole year. It is possible that we're out here talking about this is the year fighter that Justin Herbert put it all together. Oh, if he's going to meet Caleb in the Super Bowl. Danny Park.

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