The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Caleb Williams struggles vs Vikings, Russell Wilson Cooked, Tyreek Hill trade rumors | 09.10

Episode Date: September 10, 2025

Bomani Jones & Nate Tice of Yahoo Sports react to the Minnesota Vikings' comeback win over the Chicago Bears. Bomani says he has a few significant concerns about Caleb Williams' future. Later, they discuss how Russell Wilson's career might be over with the Giants, the highs and lows of Aaron Rodgers' debut with the Steelers, Tyreek Hill trade rumors, and much more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original. My name is Beaumani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get this podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. And it is that time of week where we have a guest join us coming to us live from Yahoo Sports

covering the NFL. Nate Tice, what's going on? Not too much. Happy to be here. Happy to talk a little bit of week one. No more hypothetical. no more preseason tape, no more, this is what this guy did in college.

Yeah, great to be here. All that stuff that over here, we refuse to do. You people over here who live in this full off football world, like the thing about like covering basketball, you basically take the summer off. Y'all get no time off. People can't get enough of y'all talking about football

whatever way it possibly comes. It's a whole month of the list shows and those shows become big. Like those shows get you yelled at and then takes, it's like top 10 offenses. just want to talk about some offenses. Nope, get yelled out about that. And then you see the basketball people and they're like, it's an international tournament.

These are fun players, aren't they? You know, yeah, I know. Even when the two months are supposed to be off turn into, you know, superlative season, everyone debating and yelling. But yeah, you're right. Preseason tape gets extrapolated too. That becomes a whole thing. Fancy people planting flag saying this guy's all pro already.

Oh, it's, I try to. take little things, but it's, it's, you go out there and people are just, you know, proclamations everywhere. I refuse to watch any of it. I refuse to engage. I just, I just know this is not going to be a win. No whole fame game for Bo. Hell no, man. I don't throw something out here right fast for the people who watch this on YouTube, but for those of you who listen on audio, perhaps you will find this to be a humerus and entertaining thing. So last couple episodes, you shot them on the same day. I decided that, you know, it was like, oh, got to throw on a shirt before I go do the show. And I was like, let me put on with some of this right time merchandise that we had.

And so I put all a right time t-shirt. And today I am wearing my right-time hoodie that you can get. And it's not really cold outside. It was a little brisk, but it was easier for me to grab this today. And part of why I'm grabbing this is just so you guys are YouTube know, yes, I saw your comments about my shirt being rankled. Number one, you were really right. I didn't quite realize how wrinkled it was, perhaps. could have done something about it, but there's something about ironing to be in my house.

He just don't really add up for me. But number two, at the same time, you hate motherfuckers? How about you just look at that shirt and imagine what it would look like with no wrinkles and buy one? Y'all got all these jokes. You got a purchase order confirmation? You got that? How about that? You know what I'm saying?

But anyway, today I'm wearing the right time hoodie. You can get that. High lattice. Check it out. You know what I'm saying? But anyway, we'll get back to this football. Monday night football was interesting. The J.J. McCarthy era began in Minnesota and Caleb Williams on the other side.

Now, this is interesting because the world would have you believe, beginning last year, that Caleb Williams is going into the best situation that a rookie quarterback had ever gone into because they had receivers and they had a running back situation. And holy smokes, I move into this season and people are basically telling me that J.J. McCarthy is walking into what is kind of kind of the best situation to rookie quarterback has ever had, even though he's not a rookie, but he didn't play any games last year.

First question for me is what you thought of McCarthy in that game, because I felt like I was looking at an upper echelon of what those, the guys running that system want, which is a guy to do what you said.

Just if you do what I say, everything will be okay. He seemed to be operating according to that paradigm. That's exactly what it was. It's the, that offensive systems training wheels, you know, just the way to bumpers, you know, like a bowling alley. It's just really just to keep them on the rails throughout the game.

And you see, I mean, the game script, or at least a game plan for the Vikings and Kevin O'Connell was first second down run, third down, hopefully we have a third and five and throw the ball. Like it was very basic. There's a ton of play actions. There's a ton of stuff on the move. But where the appeal of McCarthy was, at least like in theory when they drafted them was, oh, he's a pretty good athlete.

So even if he's like Kirk Cousins as a thrower, you know, we can maybe do some run stuff. We can do some zone reads. And we saw the rushing touchdown. So like that was the appeal of J.J. McCarthy. But that first half was rough. I mean, you could tell it was moving fast for him. The Bears defense is pretty good. But I thought you mentioned the situation stuff and you mentioned all the past catchers

and everything. And I thought last year, that's why I thought I was going crazy when people were saying that about the Bears was, are we still, we're still okay with this offense? line like that that was okay but then on the flip side you i actually had been saying this summer i was like well yeah McCarthy is dropped into one of the best situations possible outside the left tackle because darisaw's hurt right now but they added three new offense alignmen who all looked pretty good last night ryan kelly will will fries and uh donovan jackson from ohio state in the first round who had some good moments last night kevin connell still calling plays so yeah it was

it is a great situation i thought the the best part about the Vikings game last night was the run game. And that's what, that's also to help out the young quarterback. Hey, you don't have to throw it every time. Hey, we're going to get you second and fives. Hey, we're going to get you third and threes because the running game could be so good. So I did think that one of those good situations looked like a good situations last night, at least from the last couple of years.

I feel like you left out the best part of that biking situation, which is a dude playing football. Number 18. What a million dollars worth of jewelry around his neck. Like, I ain't going to lie. I would not roll the dice on playing the down of NFL football, right? But somebody out there saying to himself, I can get down there and get that chain and get off the field

before anybody sees what time it is. Like, you got to have actual security if you're going to do that. Only quarterback need to be wearing a chain like that because the quarterback has actual security. Like, he has five security guards in front of him. Justin Jefferson, I could not believe that. Like, you out here doing something with that chain on. Also, like, every time they showed them lined up, like, you know, when they do the close camera view, that thing was just glistening.

Yes. It was just, I'm sure the camera guys, like, oh, dang it. Zoom out, zoom out. Too bright. Too bright. Too bright. No, too shiny. I don't know how guys do that.

Like, Prime did that back in the 90s. And I always thought that was insane. And that was just. But it was never a chain like this. No, no. It was just the one gold chain, right? Right. You just do the one gold chain, right?

I, I always thought that. And that was insane back then. Like, he was one of the first guys to do it. Then more guys did it. throughout the aughts and stuff. But now we're, I mean, Lamar's got the grill mouthpiece. Like these guys, I mean, and that stuff's real.

This is a big difference between Dante Colpepper walking up with a giant diamond pepper to the game and then taking it off before the game as opposed to what these guys are doing. They're walking out and wearing it. Dude, I have to say that as the pandemic hit, I believed that what we were going to hit was the time they gave people like a bit of reevaluation

and stuff like that. And I thought that we were going to see a rejection of a certain level of materialism in society as we realized, like what stakes were, what the world are presented to us. But people were saving so much money staying at the crib and then they sent out them checks that actually it turned on the afterburners for a level of conspicuous consumption. Like all these dudes got robbable chains on, right? Like the kind of chain that you can't just walk around wearing. I guess the 2021 world series when the Braves had all them dudes with them chains was the sign of where this was going to go.

He had no idea. But Justin Jefferson, and I'm trying my best to say Justin, I also saw y'all in the YouTube comments. He had a brother named Jordan. At that age where I call you your brother's name like I'm a parent. Anyway, Justin Jefferson,

he's, let me ask you this about him. This is a serious question, because I don't quite know it. He seems to just be really good at being really good, but I don't know myself exactly what it is because he's probably the best receiver in the league right now, right? Like, what is the thing he does? Body control.

Like, that's the thing is that he, when he breaks in and out of stuff, I think he's the best receiver in the game because he can legit do anything. He can go deep. He can run intermediate, run over the middle, take stuff short and get, yeah. He can block. Like, that was actually one of his things coming out of LSU, was that he was a good blocker. He can line up in the slot.

It's just one of those things that now he is, he's not just a jack of all trades. He's the king of all trades. Like he is very good to elite at every part. His hand-eye coordination is excellent. His, you know, how his body moves, like how he moves out of brakes is just so unique. Like, he's able to turn with his legs facing one way, his upper body facing the other way, and make a catch, which is, it's just this rare body control that he has. But he's just insane.

And I know he's wearing that chain because he doesn't have to worry about playing Akeep Taleb anymore. So that's- Well, I think Akeep Tili would let him wear his. his chain. Okay. To leave's problem was not the chain. It was the man wearing the chain. Oh, yes.

I know my guy Michael Crabtree. He told him. He said to specifically, I just didn't feel like he should be wearing that chain. And so he didn't even try to keep his chain. He just took the chain off of his neck. And this reminds me, for those of you who don't know, right now, Akeeb to leave is working on Underdog

the people that do Gills Arena and they've got a football arena and among others that show has Akeve to leave and Skip Belas and I know Jay Gruden is supposed to be on the show and there's a lot going on there

with that pairing. A lot going on. Yes, yes because the Jay and John Gruden because they're both huge personalities John is, they're definitely the big brother, little brother, you know, personalities too.

Jay is a shitster. Jay is like, whatever. Whatever comes to his mind. He tweets whatever comes to his mind. He doesn't care about like going out. Him and RG3 were going at it. Yeah. No, Jay Gruden is, he's given up on getting another job.

Yeah, yeah. That is the impression that I get from him. He's like, which actually, actually like. Right. Like, whatever, whatever the jobs are that might be available to him. Yeah. He has decided, like, I got like Rex Ryan, for example. Rex Ryan could get a job.

in the NFL. He's playing footsy. Yeah, but he doesn't want to be a defensive coordinator. And I don't think anybody's going to put him in charge anymore. Jay Gruden, I think it's just decided, nope, the jobs they give. I don't know what he does for money or how much money he has, but he'd just be out here saying any damn thing. He means it. And he does.

Oh, I know. That's why, again, I appreciate it. That's why if you ever want to know, like, so many players and former coaches analysis, other than that a lot of them don't pay attention to the game as much as they should is a lot of them are just, well, that's my buddy. Well, that's my, you know, oh, I played with him in college. Oh, that's my coach that I worked with. That's why we vacation together in Destin, Florida, where all the coaches have their vacation homes. Like, you know, that they have those kind of connections still.

It's actually kind of freeing for me. As soon as my dad got out of the league, I was like, I, I, like, all right. You know, these motherfuckers didn't give me a job, so get ready. Right. You know, so, you know, that is freeing. And Jay, Jay's just always been like that. He's the loose candid. Like that, and even as a coach, he had that.

Remember they came up with the picture of him, you know, smoking a J outside the bar? You know, so it's like, you know, you know, stuff. And he didn't even, he just owned it. Like, he just didn't even care about it. I don't know. I appreciate that kind of analysis. If it's not just total always just going, you know, going into the dole drums and, you know, crap talking a little bit of everybody. At least just like a little bit of like a little bit of sides are pretty fun.

Yeah. I will say no industry is quite as protective of. I know that guy and Twitter has made it the worst because of the flimsy ties, but ties nonetheless, in my business. Oh, yes. Yeah. Like we all, snitch tags. Yeah, we all kind of know each other, right?

Yes. But we don't really know each other. So we do not hold each other to proper account. When we didn't all kind of know each other, then we was, we. And I'm built to you. Oh, yeah. You know? Oh, yeah.

I'm pretty safe on mine or on my show where I was like, he's not going to listen to this show. All right. Oh, no. Ain't, ain't nothing safe for me, big dog. I got, there's the people making an industry out here, hawking my shit, just, just to see if something go wrong. But I'll bring it back to the football. I'll bring it back to the football.

That same game. Caleb Williams. I read, you know, I've told people before. I think Tyler Dunn's newsletter is really, really good, like shockingly thorough to be a newsletter. It feels more like a magazine than anything else.

And buddy, they brought to hammer down on the Caleb Williams era. On the bears in general, though I think Ryan Poles, the general manager is probably one that catches it the worst. It did feel like a lot of scoring people were offering up their information. But the particulars on Caleb Williams as a,

like, figure in the facility and in the locker room, I'd think we can leave alone for now. What I did find to be interesting, though, was their expression that, A, he didn't seem to be one who listened too much or took too kindly to coaching. But number two, what seemed to be very clear was he was dropping back and didn't know what it was that he was looking at. Like, I didn't and I realized he took 68 sacks last season. And I am a firm believer of the Aaron Schott's theory, sacks are a quarterback statistic. You take,

you took 68 stats. And you go look at just about any quarterback and go look at their stats every year. The numbers are going to be cluster. They're going to be the same, right? The lines, those lines aren't always bad. No, some guys just take a long time to throw.

He takes a long time to throw. I heard people say they thought that he looked very good in the first half, and then he looked worse in the second half. I did not think he looked very good in the first half. I thought it looked like he was dropping back and checking down a lot and not realizing some of the things that may have been available down the field. And then in the second half, Brian Flores decided to be like, all right, enough fucking around and decided to get into his head.

But I don't know how much cause there is for optimism with where the Caleb Williams experience is going to go. And I'm also not sure if they're coaching to what he does best. But I have a hard time believe in Ben Johnson, with his big brain would be so locked into what he's doing to not try to make some level of adaptation to the quarterback that he has. Yeah, and that's what I've been curious to see. This is where, I know I joked about the preseason stuff that I was trying to like extrapolate from.

All right, what did I see in the preseason? All right, now what I see in week one? And Ben Johnson, I do have trusted. Like, I do think this guy is very smart. I do think this guy's very thorough. And I do think he's the right coach for Caleb because some of those guys are personality. He's like a guy like Caleb. And again, this is, I've never met by Caleb Williams.

I never met Ben Johnson. But just context of stuff or just reading of the context is some of these guys that have big personalities and maybe reportedly think they know it all and give coaches hard times. They're kind of like a toddler testing boundaries going like, can I get away with this? Can I get away with this? And sometimes those guys, they don't think they like hard coaching, but they need hard coaching. They need a big personality to kind of get after them and hold them accountable. not let him go away on any BS and everything. And so what I've been trying to look at is Ben Johnson seems to be trying to find plays that work with Caleb.

Caleb is shorter. He's sub six two. And if you just look at the history of the game and I know everyone just always gets mad at me when I bring this up, short guys don't throw it over the middle. The only one that did is Drew Brise. And actually the one that does it the best right now is Bryce Young, who does not look good overall. But he can at least throw over the middle. That is just the weakness of being short. It's not batted balls.

It's that. But when you run a, what I think Ben Johnson wants to do, a lot of runs, play action off the runs, down-to-field stuff. Play action works best with stuff over the middle because that's what you're affecting with a run play, is the linebackers coming up, the safety's coming up. So then you attack behind them. It's just physics. But if you're not attacking over the middle, all right, what are we trying to fake at?

You know, what are we trying to affect here? So Ben Johnson, to me, seemed like he was doing more. outbreaking routes because then, okay, Caleb has got a hose and was thrown to the outside. Outside throws are a little bit more space. Less mistakes happen. If I miss, I can just miss towards the sideline. Throwing over the middle is harder. If I make a mistake, tip ball pick. If I make a mistake, it just had a guy's feet. A guy can get batted down by a linebacker. All these things can happen. There's more risk, but there's way more reward. But the thing with Caleb is he's missing those throws. And that's what's scary to me because I am I'm a guy. I'm a little different to you.

I have a little more optimism with Kiel, but I thought it would just be a little bit more than what we saw in this game because the opening drive, yeah, there's one or two moments, but then like you said, there's some scramble moments or checkdown moments. And that's what I can't wait to watch when I rewatch this game later this week, like on film wise, is that what was the back end looking like? Is it just because you weren't anticipating and that's why it was closed and that's why you're checking down or are those guys truly covered. I'm going to guess that he wasn't anticipating because just the rhythm of the place. I think Roman Dunes Day is a good player.

I think D.J. Moore is a good player. I trust again what Ben Johnson's designing. So yeah, there's a couple times I'm sure he made the right decision. It's good that he's going through the checkdown and good that he's doing those things. But man, you got to, it's three seconds or less. Like that's how quickly you have to make a decision as a quarterback. And it just seems to me it's three and a half for him. Four for him.

Great that you can do all this creation stuff. But, like, man, he still has to get better from the pocket. So that's just the, I got to rewatch this game. But the first half, that first drive opening script, yeah. But when the defense adjusted, they started sending blitzes. Like, if you put that on tape that you can't handle blitzes, hold on your hat because here comes the heat every single week. And that was like the discouraging part about it, I thought.

Yeah, I think for me, I get the feeling, I felt this way about Baker Mayfield, though they are very different quarterbacks. But Baker Mayfield, to a lesser degree, but he was college athletic. Yeah. And he thought he, he still thinks he's athletic. Yeah, but he had athleticism that it took to make plays in college. That's a great point. And I think that Williams had the athleticism to make, and if you're going to, if you're going

to play off schedule or more accurately, I don't think the issue here is playing off schedule. The issue is playing late, right? Like if you're going to be running late, you got to really have this added dimension to be able to pull that off and still be good. Case in point. Cam Newton, a touch late. But with the arm that he had and the body that he had and everything else, he was still throwing dudes open, right? Still making it happen at that point. I feel like the athleticism that Williams had, I mean, I'll never forget that first game, the game they took over Spencer Rattler against Texas. And he was jumping off the screen with that athletic ability. I think Deshaal, Watson, at his best is a great example of this of a guy that was college athletic. Now you're going to have to play a bit more on time to get this done.

And I don't know, you know quarterback way better than ever would. Is that something that like, like how often somebody becomes that? They got to be in there. It's got to be ingrained because they've won every quarterback wins differently. And that's what I know I'm not just explaining this to you, but just. And I think that's a misconception is that even like, you know, this. brings you back to the Jalen Hertz conversation, whereas just that everyone,

well, oh, is he top 10 quarter of a top five quarterback? And the argument is there's others that can do what he does well. But then other weakness, everybody has a weakness. All these guys have a weakness to it and they have a way to win. And the fact that Caleb so far in what, five years I've watched him has been winning the exact same way and then he comes into his second year as the pros trying to win the same way. That is a little scary.

They can get better though. Like I do think you can get better. but the thing is he's always going to have this in the back of his head. This is my, you know, the, I call it the freak conundrum. Not conundrum, but like the freak threshold. Like if you're going to win that way, you have to be big and or you have to be fast and or you have to have an arm because that's where traits come into play. That's where size and arm strength and like you said, like Cam Newton would be a second

lane and have that elongated motion. It doesn't matter. You had a hose. Boom. Hit it right out there. A guy I always bring up when I'm on. the show, Dante Cole Pepper. Okay, he was very accurate, but he could be a little late sometimes. Guess why he's 260 running a 4-6, so it didn't matter. He could shed a sack and create a play

off that. That's where traits come in. This is the Scherderer Sanders argument as well. Why I was low on Shadur, why we're seeing, saw him not take a hold of any reps is because he wasn't very big, didn't have a very strong arm, it wasn't very athletic. That gives you room for error if you do make a mental mistake, if you are mentally a little bit slow. That's what those traits. do. Purdy can play like Purdy because he has Shanahan, who's letting him get rid of the ball right away. Same with guys like golf. Those guys have to play on time. So I do think he'll speed it up, but it is will worrisome that this is still just in his moment or still in his kind of head to play this way if the first read isn't perfectly open. And then he wants to progress. There's times

where I see him moving and progressing, but he's not short cutting anything. And that's the next step to NFL quarterback play is, yes, technically plays go one to two to three to four to five sometimes. But really, it's, I shortcut it to the three because I know it's covered two and I have to get to the backside day. Or it's cover three and I know they're doing this, this and that. So I have to get to this route. Like that's what the advanced guys do. Watch freaking Matthew Stafford play this weekend and watch him shortcut everything. And last thing though, the tieing in with Baker, Caleb also throws a ball way too hard. He's got, he's got tempo that stuff down.

Oh, he's that guy. He's Sean Dustin. Oh, my guy. And that's what Baker does, too. They throw everything one speed as hard as they freaking can. Every single, Pennix is like this as well. Everything as hard as they can every time. And got to have a little layering. Got to have a little bit of touch on these throws. You got to be able to throw a change up or a curveball just to help yourself out.

So it's funny you put Pennix in there because I was just about to say, uh, short guy behavior. Kyle and Murray on the same list. he's pumping, he's, he's fire it. He's throwing some pepper every time. Baseball player. That's it too. Doesn't throw the middle either.

That's actually who when we, in the prospects of, I like Keillam as a prospect. I was a Drake May number one guy, which everyone made fun of at the time, but now everyone's gone. Like, oh, Drake, I had Drake made number one.

And so, yes. BS. I kept notes on every. I have a list of this of everyone they got after me. Was when Caleb was coming out, I was kind of saying what his, you know, with their high-end comparisons, with their middle comparisons, with their low-end ones, my middle comparison was like, it's kind of like a big Kyler.

Like, that was kind of like what I think he most likely ends up looking like. And I'm watching him. I'm like, yeah, I mean, I'm seeing a lot of Big Kyler, but he's not also not throwing the deep ball like Kyler does. Well, that's not about to say. That's also concerning. Here's the problem. Big Kyler is like John Elway.

Like, Big Kyler is like the greatest quarterback that you've ever had. But I still say what makes Kyler Murray. not good, or that's not fair, but not what we want them to be, doesn't feel like size problems. No, no. He gets all the stuff. He is so fast. His arm is so strong. All of that, right?

He just, there's just something there. He's, he can be a second late on stuff. Yep. Yep. I'm a Kyle or sympathizer. I, because he wants to be a real boy. Like, he wants to be a real quarterback. And it's just like, he's just one, he's just, I mean, the last this weekend's game was

frustrating. If you're down on Kyle or this would be a good one to watch rewatch back. But it was one of those where it's just like he can't just always just have a consistent game where he does it all perfect. He'll have a drive or half or it's like there's a quarterback right there. And then he takes a sack in the red zone or takes a sack to put on third down to knock you out fieldgo range. And you're like, come on, Kyler. I need you, buddy. Yeah.

Well, I tell you this right fast before we go to break. And I don't know if I can do this without us just going on and on about it. But I'll try to do this thing. if there is a guy who has these physical traits to buy being just a little bit late, like he's often late. It happens very, it just doesn't matter because sending extra rushers don't matter because they bounce off of him like there's a force field. That would be number 17 in Buffalo.

Oh, shit. He can buy all the time in the world. Like watching through the years, they've just, we just kind of, you're not bringing them down with number 34. Right? Right. Right. Right, right, yeah, 34.

It may be 58. Yeah, number 22. 72. Yeah, and not one of these guys that was to be cool and we're a little man number being a big man. That's not who is going to take to bring him down. Number 73 is going to have to come in there and get something done. He's insane, isn't he? I can't believe it.

Like, where do you have them? Like, I mean, we probably have, you have a little bit before me, but like we have overlap a lot of our football timelines. Yeah. It's, first of all, right? It's the biggest bet that anybody has ever cashed in the history of the NFL. Yes. Period. Like this is, and look, it took time.

They wrote it out. Like, he wound up in a great situation for him. And look, people get mad at me when I talk about this, but I think it's undeniably true when you look at the coverage. It really helps when everybody wants it for you, whether it was local, whether it was everywhere else. Team mates. It afforded him the patience for the first two or two and three years to get,

you know, to get to where it was because he stunk. Like we were not wrong when he said he stunk. Nah, it's never been like this before. And then on top of it, everybody likes him. Yeah, loves him. That was my, so I liked him as a prospect, but I was like, this is like one out of a hundred. This works. But like, hey, he seems like a good kid, like all this stuff.

That first, his rookie year, he scored a touchdown in the entire sideline and the team went and celebrated with him going nuts. And I was just like, huh, that's interesting. Like, I remember, I remember where I was sitting. I think I just moved here to Vegas. And I remember just being like, that's interesting. They really like him. Huh.

There might be something to this. And then I think it was 2019 comes in. Still spraying stuff. But like, have a couple moments. And then now we were watching them. This dude's changing protections like Pete Manning in his prime. And then and then throwing a guy off of him and it's launching a throw 45 yards. And it's just like, I mean, he's maxed out on everything.

99 overall. 99 overall. But he'll still panic every now and then, right? Like Lamar Jackson looked excellent in that game, by the way. Excellent in that game. You got a whole, and Josh is still giving you a chance or two a game. There got Stafford's a guy like that. My Stafford cop that makes people mad, but it's the truth.

Carson Palmer was that guy. If you take advantage of the chances they'll give you to win the game, you might got a chance, right? Yes. But otherwise, man, it might be. It's about to be some hell to pay out here. or it could go south very quickly if that high wire act hits the but i saw staffer about staffer made a throw across the field and i'm not a stafford guy but what he can do

watch him on sunday who good god he looked good it's that dude doesn't even move and he he's thrown sidearm throws 40 yards on a rope like that sever's one of those guys like all the all those quarterback guys just kind of like laugh at because it's just like, well, yeah, I can't do that. Like, but he can. He threw a no look, no look seam ball 30 yards down, like 28 yards down the field on a rope as he was getting hit. But as he's getting hit, like he's backwards. He's kind of like, you can't see my feet right now, but they're kind of parallel to the line

scrimmage. And he's flat footed, getting hit, no looking at the linebacker and then throwing a scene ball at 25 yards. If a guy did any one of those things, that's like highlight worthy. And he did like three of the hardest things. Like, yeah, his high-end stuff. But the thing is, he also gets hit once in the next play. It looks like he came.

He's hobbling across. He's another one. Once again, his patience game was different because he was good enough to be a starter and he got that patience. He got the patience where he's going to maybe go into the Hall of Fame with all of three pro bowl appearances like the cop, Carson Palmer. I don't think he's a Hall of Famer. The Super Bowl is probably going to take it there.

But I don't know anybody that has consistently gotten better for 50s. 15 years. Yep. Yeah. Because this is year 17 for him. Yeah, because he entered at 20. 09. In 2009, this is year 17 for him.

And as much as people put the, he played for Detroit thing, yeah, damn, got stuck throwing to Calvin Johnson. Oh, shoot. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't as bad as advertised. But coming up next, we're going to talk about some more of these games, including what in the world is going on with the New York Football Giants. Football is back, and so is your shot at big wins. With Draft Kings pick six, the official daily fantasy partner of the NFL, your game day

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And then he came back out and after watching the film decided that he is going to start in week two, which I take to be a, we watched the film and Russell Wilson was bad, but so was everybody else. And we're not going to sacrifice this quarterback that we say we're high on in order to just throw him on the field early. Because look, I don't think they have any good quarterbacks. I don't think they have anything to gain for putting Jackson Dart out there, except to tell the veterans we're not giving up on the season, right? Like that, to me, is the only thing that you have the game from doing that,

which I think is a valid, it matters. I'm not the one that has to manage these guys on a day-to-day basis. But you played in college with Russell Wilson. I cover Russell Wilson when he was at his first college. Party's over, guys. Yeah, especially with no-o line. It's just, him without an offensive line, it's never going to be pretty. Well, tell me this.

Best case scenario on Russell Wilson is kind of what you're hoping for Kayla Williams, right? It's like they play, although Cahill Williams is bigger, they play in similar ways, but also Russell Wilson was a different caliber of athlete. Russell was just so much more of a creative, like, like Russ scrambled to launch a 40-yard deep ball. You know what I mean? Like Caleb was scrambling to like either, you know, run a little bit, but also just throw like more line drive underneath stuff.

So how they even like, what they get to is different. Like that's the thing about Russ. You could take those sacks because the very next play, he might be launching. launching a thing 40 yards down the field. And that you can win taking sacks. Like I'll say this again, but you have to generate explosives. And that's the Caleb conundrum. He's a single,

Caleb right now is playing like a singles and doubles hit. That takes a bunch of strikeouts. That's not, that math doesn't, I don't want each row taking 200 strikeouts. Right. You know, like that,

that math doesn't work out for quarterbacks. But like Russ, prime Russ, at least, or Wisconsin Russ, it was, we had a great run game that kept us on schedule. But then it was like,

I mean, Our 2011 Wisconsin offense was legitimately one of the best offenses in like recent history. Well, what you're talking about is should have won the Heisman Russ, except for people who don't remember that season, two insane Hail Mary's are the only reason Russell Wilson did not win that Heisman. You actually remember this. And if those don't happen, by the way, Russell wins that Heisman and not Robert Griffin, which would make your current life a lot less annoying.

Hey, he's got another Fox gig. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, let me tell you. Like, Robert Griffin doesn't win that Hiseman. A whole lot of things about life are much different. But Russ even getting to the Hisman ceremony. Monty Ball did. That's right.

Yeah. I forgot about that. But no, they had, well, Kirk Cousers through the crazy one in Michigan State and Branson Miller through the, the, everybody cries because Ohio State finally did something good that year. It was literally two from the 50-yard line, Hill-Marys in a year,

where Russell Wilson had something like 37-touching. downs and four interceptions and they went to the Rose Bowl and all of that. He was that guy. I remember I was doing Around the Horn the day that it was announced that he was going to Wisconsin and it was funny because I went to the studio to do around the horn and who was there, but Russell Wilson. Yeah. I remember the interview. Yeah, because he did one of the shows right beforehand. And so I remember I'm on the call and, you know, most of those guys didn't follow college football on a granular level, certainly not at a level at which they knew what was going on at NC State. And I remember the question was asked on the call. And I remember the question

was asked on the call. It was like, can they win a national championship? I said, if what you're telling me is Wisconsin needs a national quarterback to win a national championship, the answer is get ready. Like, yes, they got the guy. It was, he came in and how Bielmo recruited him. It was one of these things, too, like, as a quarterback there, he took two throws. And I was like, yeah, I get it, guys.

But he came in, and Bielmo was genius how he recruited him. The first, the only players he met was the starting offensive line. And so he was like, and Russ, you know, Russ is Russ. Russ wants to be the president. And so in his head, he's like, all right, what gets me to the NFL? What are my biggest questions? He was very aware about this. Well, people say I can't throw over an NFL offensive line because I'm so short.

All right. Let's go behind these big dudes and I'll prove them all wrong. But that's what, Bialmo is genius. He was like, hey, you're going to go here. Look at these guys. These guys are all going in the NFL. You can prove it here. Like, watch out.

and oh my god that that offense was so sick because even in the back we were able to redshirt melvin gordon because we'd even need him Wisconsin was able to redshirt melvin gordon that's how talented we were that year uh but yeah James white Monty ball you know Monty tied the touchdown record and James like came in like he was great like should have been Super Bowl MVP should have been Super Bowl MVP at least he got the truck I think right didn't like Tom Brady give me I should I have James he's doing some media stuff too we have the same agent I should have James. He's a great dude. But no, it was, we actually had two NFL receivers that year.

Nick Toon, Alton's son and Jared Aberdehras. But it was just one of the, like that Michigan State, I can't believe you remember that. The Kirk Cousinsale married bullshit, by the way. So he scores, they say they ruled it incomplete or they ruled it that he didn't score. So at first. And then they reviewed it. And the angle that they used was like the on the line of scrimmage, you know, like camera on the line of scrimmage or see if he passed, broke the,

plane. It was off angled. Like it was it was at the one yard line and tilted. It wasn't down the line. And I, to this day, like how, no, that's inconclusive. Nope. Has to be 100% without a doubt. I remember it. Uh, and then the Braxton Miller. Oh, my God. I can't believe you're bringing it. Now, now these are just wounds, man. These are just the one of my favorite. We want a Bama that year. We were like, yeah. Hey, we got this this year. If JJ Watt came back that year, we were definitely rolling. But yeah. And then we had one of the greatest games ever that big 10 championship. game against Michigan State. One of my favorite subjabbers

of content is people mad at at things that happened 15 years ago. Oh man, why you do that? Because you detailed it. You mentioned the names and that's actually what I hurt. And as the backup quarterback, I'm right there at the line of scrimmage. So I'm watching that throw go

up and they're going to catch that right. They're not going to catch that right. They're not going to catch that right. We just lost. Michigan State Stadium sucks. It's got a, the bathroom. They have like three showers for 100 people. It's tight. They have two yards of sideline from like to, from you to the fans.

Oh my God. Yeah, sorry. You just really. So I'll make the nice transition for you. Thank you. Are you buying into Jackson Dart because I generally have a pretty safe rule. Drafted in the 20s? Nope.

Not for a quarterback. No way. I don't. I'm not very high on them. I think he's, I think he's okay. A, he kind of has some high-endiki to him. I got kind of a high-nekey plus, kind of a run-around guy. I thought he was talking about taking a second two to process.

You know, like he takes a second to throw. He's got tools. That was one thing. He's a good runner. Like, he's pretty athletic. He's got pretty good arm. His deep ball dies on him a little bit. But it was one of those where everyone's comparing him to Josh Allen and stuff.

I'm like, if he was like Josh Allen, he's going top 10. Like, you know, Josh Allen's Josh Allen. Like the tools were a step down. And Josh Allen was able to win early on because his tools were top of the line. We just laughed about it, 99 overall and everything, even before he figured everything out. No, Dart to me, he's tough. He's going to make some cool plays. But the thing is, everything's just always a count slow.

And on plays that he's familiar with, with a guy that has a lot of reps. So that was my worst. I had a third round grade on him. Like, you know, okay, take a shot, make him sit. I'm scared of him playing behind that offensive line, too, because he takes a lot of sex. Hey man, these guys need to get something before Malik neighbors completely loses it. I've never seen a player this young feel this way before. Yeah, yeah.

It's been a while. It's been a while. Maybe Kishan. Kishan just put that book out and said that, but we did not have the examples of Kishan just, oh, my God, what is going on? And he's like, with Jaden Daniels before the game.

They're having fun, like, having fun, like, high five. And then the game starts, he looks at his quarterback, and he's just like, I don't see that either. Oh, man. So he had to deal with, like, Daniel Jones and everybody else. And what's that boy? Tommy DeVito, he was on the team, right? He got all of that.

At some point, New York City, look, New York City, it seems to be enjoying the idea of James Winston right now. At some point, he's going to get on the feet. And I just can't wait to see Brian Daibald's head explode when that happens. With that offensive lines. Did you see Davel's their first red zone play or first play at the goal line? What they did? No, I do not.

They ran like a play action. They had an offense alignment running like a legit route into the back of the end zone. But it was so funny because usually teams do that. Like they set it up for weeks. Hey, this is our big. Hey, we got extra offense alignment. We have extra offense alignment. We're going to run the ball, run the ball.

and they did it on the first goal line play of the year. So you could tell like Daveo was really trying to like, you know, a little pizzazz to start the season. And Washington covers it up like a glove. Like, I mean, they just, I mean, just are all over it. So it just looks like the stupidest play. There's an offensive lineman running a 10-year route, trying to juke a DB and he doesn't get it.

But that's what that's, Dave was trying to save job. I did see that play at the goal line. I was at Nick's house and I was like, hey, man, that looked like he was supposed to run a route. He did. He was in the back of the answer. He didn't he ran around. I mean, okay.

I thought I saw him go with your shoulder and then take it back outside. I'm like, no, he's just supposed to be there and be fat. No, he was trying to run a freaking route. First goal I'd play in the year. It killed me because that's the thing. My thing with Daibel is that he has media friends and he reads everything. And it just seems like he does a lot of things performatively. That's how my read on him.

Everything's kind of performative with him. Like he, oh, you know, I love my quarterback. like and he's like getting all giddy about him and saying all these things in the preseason. It's like really about what he did right there. Interesting. Because he knows he needs that dart to be decent to save his job. Like you know, so of course he's going to be selling these things. Like he's selling a lot.

He's like, oh, I got my Josh Allen. It's like, well, again, I'm never going to compare anybody to Josh Allen ever. And also the progression of Josh Allen. And also, again, you can't compare these two guys because their tools are so different. Again, one maxes out the scales and one's more like, good. But there's a big difference between maxing out the scale, A plus and a B. You know, that's a pretty big difference. So I, that's what it's kind of been funny with the Giants.

It's like they're telling themselves a lot of things. And I have like one of the hardest schedules. And I think they're going to struggle to win a lot of games. Hey, speaking of coaches, I don't know football on this level in the way that I know basketball, right? But with basketball, especially at the professional level, It takes very little for a coach to lose a team. And the example I talk about in the show a lot, I found out about a team where in practice,

there was a coach who had moved up to the pros from college, and he called Five Seconds on the Dribbler, which is a college call and not a professional call, and he did that in training camp in a practice, and it was over. He lost them right then and there, right? Brian Callahan stood in front of God, in everybody else and said that he did not challenge a catch in a game that was very clearly a catch by his guys in a game they had a chance to win. And he did not challenge it because he knew

that an arm or a hand being down was not the same as two feet being down. Now, I want to say two things. Number one, it says it specifically in the rule book that any body part is the equivalent of two feet. But number two, even if you didn't know the rules, if you are of Brian Callahan's age or in that ballpark, and let me look it up,

because I feel like he is not too young to understand what I'm about to say. A lot of us grew up with some pretty solid John Madnisms, and the biggest one is one hand is the same as two feet. And he did not know this. In a basketball context,

you should start looking for your new coach tomorrow. tomorrow because these guys are checked out on this because I'm checked out on him after this. Even Kim Ward seemed like he was like, oh my God, what am I dealing with here? Right. It was very disappointing as hopefully one of the good nepoes. It was pretty disappointing. But like, that's the point of the upside of a nepo in theory is, well, they have more exposure. They have more reps at this stuff.

They have more, you know, they pick this stuff up at seven. And I was spotting footballs and reading scripts from nine years old on. It's like, and it did help me hearing conversations. You just mentioned the Madden thing. When you just watch these games, you just learn it through osmosis. I mean, any of us that do anything that we like or hobbies or anything, that's what's disappointing. It's like he should know this stuff like the back of his hand.

Like he should know these rules like that. Like everybody kind of, that one's pretty. That's like a 201 level football knowledge thing. You know what I mean? It's not like some advanced thing like a rip move negates holding penalties. You know, like that's pretty advanced. I understand people not understanding that. Coach is kid, but also, and this is more indicative of anything, is, and maybe just

of the coaching or just their system there in Tennessee, too, is a lot of these coaches that even if they might not know the rule, they have a guy that knows the rules. And then they have a line of communication that can get to them and go, like, hey, we got to challenge us, hey, we got to do this because of this, this, and that. So that's what's indicative of, like, that's more negative to me than anything, that not one person either had the trust or one person was enabled, one person thought they had the confidence to go like, hey, we should challenge this or we should do this. That's, that's really scary to me. But I love your five seconds call because I know, especially with NBA guys, they're,

they're looking for that stuff. That's it. And I heard about who's the guy that came over from that was LeBron's coach in Cleveland, not Tailu or anything? Oh, you're talking about David Black. Thank you. David Blatt. I heard some stories about that. kind of happening too same exact kind of thing where he some some supposed to be a very smart basketball mind but had some moments where he didn't realize it was the NBA rules they kind of kind of lost some people some things but uh no I'm glad he brought the Tennessee thing because I've just been like there's no arguing for it like there's no like there's no like justification of it all and also it makes it worse because that he should of all people be a rules like

genius you know savant right because of just like being around the game. with his dad on the staff at offensive line coach and Bill Calhant. So, yeah, very disappointing and brewing the Nepo name for all of us. I will say this also. I watched a decent bit of that game, you know, watching with all the screens. And I felt like I got a decent look at a lot of the action there. I thought their quarterback looked good. I don't care what the numbers said.

I thought Cam Ward looked really good. He looked like he was out there for Dolo, but I thought he looked good. I'm a big fan. He's one I liked and then I did my, I usually do a big, uh, evaluation scouting study on all the top quarterbacks. And he used one after I did that and watched seven games and looked at numbers and

everything. I'm like, this guy's just good. Like I don't know why we're saying, oh yeah, it's just a bad class. That's why he's going number one. It's like,

no, this guy's like, he's got some stuff to him. I compare, I've been comparing him to Rodney Mullen. I don't know what your skateboarding knowledge is. Uh, but Roddy Mullen invented the kickflip amongst other trick.

and what was cool about Rodney Mullen was he would do these advanced looking crazy things, but his fundamentals were so good that that let him do those crazy things to invent things. And Cam Ward, because he does all the trick shots, and I think some people are maybe misconstruing how he actually plays. Dude is so smart. He's got great timing. He's got great creativity, but it keeps him on time. So he can throw a sidearm.

He can kind of just do these extra things, but it's to be consistent, which is. I think is really kind of special. But no, he looked good. He had a couple throws, good process. He took a couple of sacks, but it's whatever. It's Denver defense, which might be number one defense this year, too. He had a couple moments that were like, that's some really good process, even if the results weren't there.

So I'm with you. I think even the numbers weren't great. I thought he looked really good. Now, as we started winding this down, one, I'm trying to imagine your big ass on a skateboard. And two, Ryan said, Ryan said in Texas, I think it's pretty funny about this, is, you know, Brian Daybo's out here looking like he'll be Alabama's offensive coordinator next year under Lane Kiffin. Number one, I cannot imagine a more combustible mix than Brian Daybold and Lane Kiffin.

But also, don't forget, they tried, Daveold won a national championship as the offensive coordinator in Alabama, and everybody was ready for him to go. Yes. It was. And meanwhile, he's like, if you would have just started to in the first place, like I wanted to, we'd have been just fine. That was a wild season when you really stop and look back on it,

what happened there. Dayball, they will be talking crazy to people. Like, you see it during games. I'm like, you're not tall enough to talk to me like that. Well,

no, these guys a big truck. That's right. That's a big truck that needs five steps to get out of. He, no, he's got,

he was a Belichick saving guy. So it's just like, he thinks that has to be a certain way, but that's, guys try to do this for years, be a little mini parcelsus. And it was just like setback football like a decade.

Just people, everyone tried to be, Bill Parcells or a Bill Belichick and it set football back forever. And then now of the Belichick guys have made it work. Ever. Ever. None of them. Ever.

Like, ever. Ever. You can't find anyone. The only one that has is Nick Sabin. Yeah. Right. And that's exactly true. I know.

And Dimitrov as a GM for the Falcons had like a good run. And that was it. But even his little GMs that went everywhere fail. Like it was just it was everybody. It's everybody because it was. So there's a story. I'll wrap over this where we're tied us all together was somebody asked, um,

uh, uh, Dimitroff and like we had kind of like a Q&A when I was with the Falcons and I were kind of like, so what one of the scouts goes like, what is the Patriots system to you? Like what is the Patriot way? You kind of just goes, Tom Brady.

And now that was 2015, 2014. And now 10 years later, I'm like, Yeah, that sure seemed right. Seemed right to me. That's pretty apparent what happened. It just seemed like a really, really good quarterback with a guy that just knew all the rules and knew, was willing to trade back in the draft.

That was the Patriot way. It seemed like for a while. Yeah. Actually, I'll ask this one last thing before we go. What did you think about Aaron Rogers in week one? Fine. It was, he had none of his combustible moments like last year. He's not moving great.

I don't think everyone should be surprised. eyes with that. But man, I mean, can you play the Jets defense every week? That'll help out. The two touch, two of the touchdowns were easy. You know, I say that sitting in my chair in Las Vegas. But same play. It was like a little bootleg play. So it wasn't anything crazy. The third touchdown was a jet sweep to Jono Smith. I thought the steward's offense had some nice moments. He's just got to play like that. Like the thing was last year is he like became, you know, arm is still there to make some of the throws. But some of the stuff was. like, dude, you've had like 200 starts. How do you not know protections? Like he was awful against the blitz and he wasn't helping it out at all.

And that was really confusing to me. So I think there is some appeal with like Zach Frazier the center and Arthur Smith, the OC having some personality to go like, hey, we got this and you can do your glory, hunting, hunting things. So if I had to give it a grade, it was like a B minus B. Like I thought it was a pretty good Aaron Rogers appearance in 2025. I think that's the nicest way I can put it. Had some nice moments and had none of those moments like that he's had the last couple

years where he's just like dirting things left and right. I'll say the last thing on this and this has been in the weeds on football, but I don't know if any two people are happier to see each other than John News Smith and Arthur Smith. When each of them found out that the other was available, it's like, it's funny, isn't it? I miss you too. It was like in the summer it was like, oh, Johnny Smith is the stewards are trying to trade for John Smith and everyone's like, what? Okay. Where that come from? All right, cool. Oh, Arthur's there.

That's why. It was like, didn't the, didn't you just have a good year with the dolphins? Like, what just happened here? Hey, man. Look, it sounds like there was some foresight getting out of that dumpster fire. Oh, my God. I tweeted it. It was like, my expectations were low, but holy shit. Well, and then you get the report today, and today being Tuesday, in the divorce proceedings, Tyree Hills soon to be are a strange wife with eight alleged incidents of domestic violence, they may wind up having to cut him

this year. And all the talk about trade, you're going to have to answer for it if you trade for him. And I think he's going to just become generally disruptive. Like, they may wind up just having to leave him on the curb. I mean, all the signs are there. He, I mean, just even going from the, like, they don't name him captain. And I know that seems stupid.

but I don't know how many times a vet with the same staff on the same team has lost the captain ship. Like, I know that seems stupid and I know that seems silly, but it is very like, that's telling. That was a choice by the players. That was everybody going like, no way. Like, no, enough. You're not good enough for us to be doing this, like to us to wave away. Like, I've seen assholes be captains all the time.

But it's just like, usually it's because they're good players. And that's the thing with Tyreek is, I, I, I talked to somebody in the NBA, actually, and we're talking about Vince Carter. And we're talking about how excellent athletes actually age better. Like, we sometimes misconstrue the guy that has the old man game at the Y ages better because they're advanced. Well, it's like, well, if they're a bad athlete, they're probably become a worse athlete. It's not going to end well. But like the really good athletes can age well if they work hard.

And they kind of like learn their game and adapt their game. Tyreek doesn't have that personality to like adapt his game. His game is just purely speed. And if you look at all of his metrics, and I'll end with this. Everything about him is his speed is just dropping off a cliff. Like it's not even just slowly going down. It's like, no, no, we're, it's rapidly descending here. He, he, his top speed or his average speed last year was 12.77 miles an hour.

Year before that, 13.7. You're before that 13.8. So it's dropped a full mile an hour. And that's significant when we're talking about averages. Top speed went from 22 miles an hour to just over 21. So again, dropped a mile an hour. And then like his average or is like times he's hit 15 miles an hour dropped from 44% to 36%.

So it's like that that one that one tells it for me because it's hard to get the gradations on something as close as like single numbers. But 44 to 36 is a percent. Yes. 4.3 of his plays in 2023 when he went 20 miles an hour and over 20 miles an hour and over. 20 miles an hour is the elite speed. So 4.3 in 20203. 1.3 in 2024.

Oh. Yeah. Well, he's also a sneaky old guy. Yes. He is a sneaky old guy. He's right. Yeah, I mean, he's been in the league for a while. The thing with him is just it's hard to find guys that fast with acceleration,

who accelerate like that and who change directions. And ball scales. Like Tyreek had like that's an underrated thing with him is he can adjust and everything. He's not just like totally tiny guy. But it's all of his route running because he's a unique route runner in that he'll sell routes and go freaking midfield. and then break back out where most guys would just go to the hash. Well, if you just, if you won your entire, we talk about how guys win, if you win your

entire career that way and we're just going to take that away from you and you're the personality that's this, that's like full blown. I feel like I'm okay saying it. A dick. Like, I don't know. It's, I don't know if that's going to age well. And again, taking the captainship, it's just like all the signs are there. It's like just, just going to fall off soon.

Yeah, everybody's. Mike McDaniel will be doing a great. job running somebody's offense for a very handsome check, right? Like, don't you worry about him. He'll be just fine. Chip Kelly money. Yep. And Tua will be playing for his job under one more coach.

Yep. You know, and they're going to have to start that whole thing over. It just went out and I was such a fizzle. Like, you know, like, usually you have that bad loss that's kind of like, all right, that was the last rod. It was just like, that Chiefs Wildcur. game where they didn't even try where everybody was just cold. Like that's what that's how you're going to end it. But it actually kind of feels kind of fitting. They just kind of literally got slowed down in the cold. Had it sparked when you started, but now you're just garbage.

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