The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Charles McDonald on Dolphins Tanking Disaster, Vikings' Kyler Murray Gamble, NFL Replacement Refs? | 03.19

Episode Date: March 19, 2026

Bomani Jones is joined by Charles McDonald of Yahoo Sports to break down another wild stretch of NFL storylines. They start with the Dolphins clearing out weapons around Malik Willis and ask the obvious question: What exactly is Miami trying to build? Then they get into the Kyler Murray conversation, why some teams keep giving away starting-caliber quarterbacks, and what the Vikings and Falcons are really doing at QB.Later, they discuss the Ravens backing out of the Maxx Crosby deal, why NFL teams keep playing games with roster building, and the possibility of replacement refs returning.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, A Wave Original. My name is Bobani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is Charles Robinson on a Thursday.

Did you do that on purpose? I did. I did. John McDonald's a Yahoo! It's got to be a thing now. I know, I know. I did it was such gusto. Yeah.

I was hoping that you would understand. But I saw a glimmer in your eye like, wait a minute, this isn't real, isn't it? I'm not about the fall for this again. No, no, no. This time it was an accident.

The other times, it was me. It was, I liked Charles Robinson, so it wasn't a negative, right? You know? And like, I feel like Charles, Charles isn't the one that's,

oh, that's the R&B fan. But I feel like Charles got some tendencies, you know what I'm saying? As I recall. It does. Old Texas Democrat. You know, so he's got, he's got some tendencies. Inexplicably living in Houston.

Yes. Not from Houston. Yeah, but he loves it. It loves it. Yeah. You think he was from Houston. Yeah, like that doesn't happen. Like Jeff Van Gundy is the ultimate.

Oh, you really just decided to stay because you love it. Oh, okay. I didn't think that was coming. Good for you, man. Look, we got a lot of NFL to talk about. Also, history is about to repeat itself in the dumbest way. That's what they call a tease in the business, baby. First, I had a question for you because the dolphins traded Jalen Waddle, right?

Yes. I'll be honest with you. I have already forgotten who they traded him to. Who they trade them to? Denver Broncos. That's right. They traded them to Denver, okay? And it didn't even matter to me where they traded him because the big thing for me was,

I was like, do y'all even got a quarterback? Like, Tyreek Hill is out of there. Jalen Waddle, you just traded him. And I was trying to figure out like, wait, wait, I don't even remember who your quarterback is. And then Ryan reminded me they had signed Malik Willis, right? Giving him like $30 million guaranteed. Malik Willis started with the Titans.

He wound up going to Green Bay. He was Jordan Love's backup. The new coach in Miami, was it Halfley? Yeah. He came from Green Bay. So I'm assuming he has reason to think good things about Willis or at the very least he knows how to run the offense they have. But we all acknowledge, man, he's not very big and he is untested. He is certainly talented, right?

But we still have questions about what he's going to do. And I don't know if this is some sort of metaphor about being black in America, but he thought he had his chance. And then they was like, your best receiver, what you need, that phone. Pardon to show us. It's almost like somebody in there, like decided out of nowhere. No, actually, he got to work twice as hard. hell yeah that that's that's that's what they say right what are they doing i mean like working twice as hard is like the idea that there's a chance of success here at all you know like like you're

this this is like the ultimate black experience because you think you got something but you're holding it down for the next white man to come sit down in that chair because okay because i i i when i saw that they traded waddle i i posted on on blues guy like yeah like why did they sign malik will just to eat all this dead caps. Like, because they had, uh, not just Tyreek at Jan Waddle, obviously Tua, uh, is going to account for $67 million where the dead cap this year. And I think we put it all together, it's going to be $175 million where the dead cap, which means like in a, in a league where, that's more than half the salary cap.

Right, right. The salary cap is $33 million. So if you don't have access to $175 million, you basically, you can't feel the team, dog. Like, you got, you got Malik Willis and you got rookies. Okay. So, you know, someone respond, like, Dolphins respond to me like, oh, well, we're trying to figure out if he's got the stuff to be like the next quarterback.

How the hell are you going to figure out? Look at who he's throwing to, dog. And I, and like, because people ask me, what do you think of the Malik Willis deal? I'm like, man, congrats to that, brother. He's a lot better than he was in Tennessee. He turned all 35 of those passive attempts. he had last year and to some real wealth for the future.

So congrats to him. And I doubt we'll see him start a game past next year. I feel like his signing again, the devil don't need no advocate. But if I were trying to argue that racism was over, this would have been a data point. And then he got to Miami. And they was like, no, no, counterpoint. No. Counterpoint.

And we did it like this. And I think people are like, you got to remember when you see the Malik Will's numbers like on the deal. I think it came out to like what it was like like like it's like 25 and 30 million dollars per year. Bro, that's that's just starter money now. It's starter money. But you know what? Him even getting starter money is. I mean it's it is a it is on one level a show of faith. And you know what? Maybe that's the bright side. They're showing an incredible level of faith in him because they believe he doesn't need anything. They're treating him like he's Patrick Mahal right. Like hey right. And that gets us back to the maybe it is racism. But if you so if it,

if it's so hard, how come Patrick Mahomes can do it? You know, I started thinking, you know, remember when I think it was the first Trump run and there was his gift, like, or a video going rally, one of his rallies where he was like, look at him, look at my African-American over there. And that's what this whole Dolphins season is going to be. Because if you're a Dolphins fan,

like look at that offensive roster. Who are you watching this for? if not just to see Malik Willis run around like oh he's got strong arms run a 4-3 to hold my man my man H.M. hostage I think Well that's what I said they said they won't trade

H-N. He's the one that's got to work. He's the one that's going to be out there his nickname might as well be eight-man box. Dude and you know he's got to be hurting because he's about to end the last year of his deal. He's like, y'all a all this dead money for Tua, all this dead money for Waddle, the dead money for Tyreek. I can't get no dead.

head cap level on a new team. And here's the thing. They say they refuse to trade him, right? Maybe they're waiting to do like a mid-season trade. But we all know the data indicates pretty clearly. Rushing yards is as much as a function of offensive line more than anything else, right? Like a great running back can, it's not that a great running back doesn't matter. But the idea that our running back is untouchable and is a chance.

No, no, no, no, man. Somebody want to give you a three or two or three for that? go ahead and make it happen. Y'all going to be sorry. Like we all know y'all going to be sorry. Y'all going to be sorry. And H.N., he's one of those runners where like the bad, there's a lot of bad as much good as there is

because he's going to be the guy that eats a bunch of TFLs and you're just kind of waiting and waiting to wait and then he pops an 80-yard touchdown and you feel a little bit better about it. That's the whole offense this year, though. Like, it's just all boom-buss. There's no consistency here. So shout out to Malik for getting paid.

That money is going to go a long way. But, yeah, that's a, that's a pretty tough spot. And I, I just kind of don't understand. Like, why not just fucking throw Scala Thompson out there again if this is what your offense is going to be? This is nothing. It's legit nothing. Yeah, I just, I can't, is, I don't know what kind of young man Maligueless is,

but maybe he'll give us some of those glorious K. Award press conferences. Now, he, if we keep it, if we keep it in a buck, he, he asks. If, if that happens, he's been broken. because Malik's one of those, you know, holier than now types a little bit. Oh, yeah, he went to Liberty. Yeah, he went to Liberty, right?

But I will say, for, he seems like an okay dude, you know, but you still have to, the caveat, he did choose to go to Liberty after going to Auburn. So, you know, but he seems like a good enough guy. If his faith is tested at all, it's going to be this year because you got rewarded, but how much before?

Hey, man, his thing is going to be Brightside, Miami. Like, I imagine that no team needs to fear like an 0-and-3 start more than the Dolphins because what a great city to quit in. Oh, man. Like, if you've just decided that you're not, that ain't no point, that city's for you. Yeah. I mean, it could be worse. Like, you could be, you could be in Phoenix where you've decided that you have no chance.

Yeah. And what are they doing? That, that to me is, is like, more inexplicable. They got rid of, I still think a. starting caliber quarterback. Dude. For nothing. For nothing.

With no solution. Right. And I did, I feel like not enough people were talking to how crazy that was. Just to cut him. Bro, you're in your division. You have Sean McVeigh, Kyle Shanhan, Mike McDaniel. Okay. You're already starting behind the eight ball.

Like really, really far behind the eight ball. You had something. Like, because we can't add his best. Kyler, I know they haven't done it, but at his best, Kyler, he's had multiple seasons where we're like half or through the years. Like, is this the MVP of the league? Are there Cardinals about to go to the Super Bowl? And I will say, in 2024, his advanced metrics had him place like a top 10 quarterback.

So when you look at the whole totality of his career, last year was an outlier in a negative way. So, you know, if you're just looking at all, everything added up, you should expect him to bounce back to a degree. I'm not saying he's going to go out there and, you know, have the season that Dak Prescott did when he came back last year. But it's a lot better situation than the damn Arizona Cardinals, right? But it's like this, even if you don't think he's going to bounce back,

you would think that this 30-something million-dollar cap hit would be an incentive for you to figure out how to work it out because he's not terrible. Right, right? Like the system is built. The idea behind these contracts and the, these big cap numbers, is to give the illusion of, like, the illusion that it's a guaranteed term of the deal. Like, you can look at every contract and you can reasonably say,

okay, this is when the deal is actually going to end, right? When the guaranteed money isn't there, the cap hit has gone down. Like, this is the, every time somebody says that there are no guaranteed contracts in the NFL, and it's like, not really, but there is a version. You get the upfront money. There are all these different things that come. But having that cap hit is supposed to be like, all right, man,

well, I guess we just going to work it out. It's the same way with buyouts, with coaches in college. Like the idea is we're going to have this buyout and we're just going to have to work this out. And then you see Brian Kelly, James Franklin, $50 million buyouts and people are still canning them. Right? It's like, no, no, no. This is supposed to be built for you to behave in a different way. So if-

This is crazy. Like, yeah. The fact that, and honestly, I will say, Like, you kind of gotten and gone on this, like, maybe a month ago when that, or maybe it's a few ago when you talk about the NBA tanking and the idea that you would charge fans money to come see this. It's ridiculous. And not only that, but the idea in, if you want to just be like the cold, like the coldest capitalist you want about this, there's no incentive to actually go out there and feel a winning team if you don't want to. because every team gets the same revenue cut, whether you win 17 games,

whether you win zero games. So there's no financial, you know, obligation for these guys to win outside of glory. And I think we'll see some shifts in that as less and less football people own these teams and more, you know, finance and hedge fund people own these teams in the future. But the idea that, like, especially the Cardinals, man, you're in the NFC West.

And like what I've been asking is, does Michael Flore win a division? in the division game before he gets fired? Seriously. Does he win a game in the division before he gets fired? Because you've got three legit Super Bowl champions, probably three of the five, you know, best head coaches in the league.

You're going to cut Kylo Murray so you can maybe get arch. And then maybe like two, three years after that, like maybe you're at a point where you can compete with the immediate threats in your division. Hell no, man. Like, go compete now. That's why, you know, like the Raiders, at least they got lucky and got their hands in the number one overall pick.

But even them like, shit, you still got Sean Payton and the Chiefs and Jim Brownball and your division. The older I get, I cannot stand like all tanking and the quitting because y'all are getting paid regardless. And I don't mean the players. I mean the teams. Yeah, well, let's stay with Miami. We talk so bad about Tua, but he's still a starting NFL quarterback, right?

Like he's never going to be great. think that he has proven to be a disappointment to a degree. I think all of those things are fair. Look at all that muddy Miami eight just to get him out of there for a quarterback that we have no reason to assume is better than him. Yeah. Yeah. There it is.

We've never even assumed that he's like that much better enough. Man, the two are starting quarterback stuff. That's going to test my faith this season. Yeah, by the way, speaking of that. Charles on that narcotic. I know. And now the Falcons, you know, you got, you got, you got the two lefties. You got Michael Pinnock's, whatever he comes back from his latest debilitating injury.

And you got Tua Tunga Vailoa. You're still on that dope. Okay. And by the way, I want to say again, Tua, this will be Tua with some weapons around him. I know. Drake, London, Tua with Bijohn, Tua with Kyle Pitts. If everything is going right when he put his foot down for him, put a fifth time on that drop, he going to get the ball to where it need to go.

Sometimes. There are good things, right? Like, I could see, I don't think it's the worst idea they ever had. No, it's not the worst idea they ever had. But my question that I would posit to them is, if the price is the same, why not just try and get Kyler? Because I didn't really see anything about them being interested in Kyle Murray. Because, like, you're kind of at a similar spot as the Vikings, you know, you've got

the supporting Catholic offense at least. Tua. You know you're not winning shit with that. But this is the thing with Atlanta. Like it's, it's flashy. No substance. But it did remind me when I was at the Super Bowl this year, we interviewed Bejohn Robson at the Yahoo set. And I was chatting with him after. And I, you know, because I joke during the interview that I was a fan. He asked me afterwards. He was like, you know, you're really a fan? I'm like, yeah, he's like, bro, we're going to get this right. I promise. Like, man, if there's one Falcon, I I don't need an apology from.

It's him. I need one from blank, but Bejohn, like, and they probably won't get it together. But we've, all of us, we're still here except that a long time ago. I need my Sunday stretch. I'm going to be mad for three hours. I'm going to move on. Dude, if Bejohn played 20 years ago, he would be everybody's favorite player. Yes.

Like it is, this is a man stuck in the wrong time, period. Like, that's the guy you ought to pretend like you are when you are out. side. It is amazing to watch that guy play football. He'd been out there with one-legged Kirk Cousins. He'd been out there with, does Michael Pennix have any legs? I'm about to say one-arm I don't really know with a du rag. A du rag handed him to ball. Yeah, the du-rack stuff is interesting because I expected Mike's hair to be in a lot worse space than the first time I said. I was like, bro, you got your shit like the gum of your eyebrows. Like, why are you wearing this all the time?

No, well, what he said was it got to be a thing. Oh, that's right. Like people, it's fine. You'll never see me without the du rag then. And we might never see him again either. No, no. I think I, and I personally, if he's healthy, I would much rather see Panics play.

But it doesn't, it doesn't seem like anyone has really like broached the idea that he would be the started quarterback the season. know his injury was late and this is his third ACL tear by. Yeah, I'm assuming he's not going to play next to sure. Right. But the fact that we're all just like, eh, all right, well, they did that and we're done. It's like, really? Hey, man, they got, they got Tua for a dollar. You know what I'm saying? Like, like it was there.

Yeah. Tua, can they start doing, can they, I guess he was already in Miami so they don't need to? They're going, can they do it with Tua like they did with Kirk Cousers and start making them wear out of them chains and shit and try to act like he for the culture? I hope not because that was embarrassing. That was the saddest. That was sad, bro. I'm like, do y'all know who this man's daddy is?

Like, do you all know, like, what he's about? You can Google, like, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, there's Kirk Cousin's commercials where he's doing stuff for the fake Donald Trump, like, for car dealers in Minnesota. This guy's not wearing chains. He's laughing at all this shit behind his bag is going to go give some money to Donald. Like, I, that shit was so lame. I really can't get over still sometimes.

It was tough. By the way, while I'm thinking about it, you got any thoughts on the Ravens? And they, hey, we still got our receipt. Let me get that back. Like, I got a warranty. They knew they were shopping. They knew they was getting an open box special. And then they got, without touching the box, they looked deep in the box. And they was like, ooh, I don't know about the price. I mean, they did pay a lot for that muffler. I'll give them. that, like, especially for them to be getting it out the open box. That was a really high price. And somebody was like, what?

Are you fucking, hey, you better go over there and talk to him. Yeah, like, the way Max calls it, it was what he said, like, five minutes after they agreed to the contract extension that the deal was off. And look, I got to say, this one, I think activated some of my, my previous inner scumback tendencies. I was like, what's the big deal, bro? It's not official until 4 p.m. And I thought about like, that's wrong.

Because there was one person here, one entity here who like actually got hurt. And that was Max Crosby. Yeah. Because you're, you're, now you go back to the Raiders. It's just simple negotiation. You're not going to get the same deal that you were before. I'm sure when they were shopping him after the Raiders reneged, they weren't getting the same offers that they were before.

So everyone just goes back. But I did find the. amount of crying by, you know, my colleagues in the media in favor of the Raiders would be like, really? Y'all, y'all really, like, fired up about, like, the Raiders, like, getting, you know. But it was so one, it was, it was, it was grimy. It was grimy, but it was so one-sided. It was so one-sided that I started thinking, like, what, what happens if, if Max plays,

like, six games this year? Right. Do we look back? So, that's the thing. What if there really was something in the, in, in, like, so, yes, they. they know that he was you know he had an injury they know he's supposed to be back before training camp but what if there was something else right like what if they got in there and we're like oh hey i didn't know that was the thing right what i what i found funny and crosbie's been on

his podcast talking about this as he said he was there for five hours before mentor of the coach or de cost to the gym cave and talked to him and i have just imagining those two you tell you tell you tell them. No, no. Hey, hey, look, look, hey, I got a meeting.

Let me know how it goes. Right? They are all, like, does Max Crosby have any tattoos on his face? If he does it, I can see it.

Yeah, if I say, if he does it, I can see it. You know what I'm saying? They're like, oh, man, you go,

hey, you go talk to him, man. No, no, no, I ain't going to do it. I ain't going to do it.

I ain't going to do it. And so, yeah, it is, it was, it's not the end of the world. I think you are fair in terms of making that present in that. It's not the end of the world.

The question is whether the Ravens really needed to do it because he and Trey Hendrickson, you know, they both whites. It seemed like it's not even that they seem like the same player, but if you tell somebody there's one good edge rusher and there's another good edge rusher, I don't think the general public really could delineate the two unless one of them is like Miles Gary.

Yeah. Basically the Ravens, they decided that, the extra run defense was not worth two first round picks. And honestly, I thought that this trade was very risky for the Ravens. Because coming off of, you know, a meniscus repair is not, it's not like some small thing, especially for someone. Yeah, like that was what really did it in for Derek Rose. Yeah.

I mean, JJ McCarthy missed all last season. Like, they didn't even bother putting him out there after he tore his meniscus. Yeah. And it's not just like that Max plays defense. offensive end. And he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, uh, he's, uh, he's, uh, he's, uh, he's, uh, he's something that's played, uh, over 90% of snaps in over half of his games in the NFL. Uh, yeah, because I was looking it up. Since he was drafted in 2019, he's played, uh,

12th most snaps of any defense player in the NFL. The next highest, like, defensive linemen or edge rush rushers, T.J. Watt, like, close to 30. So that's a lot of mileage. And I just, I just found it interesting that we couldn't pause and say, okay, this was some dirty shit. Yes, it was not, not a good look by the Ravens, you know, clearly by the way that they handled it when Max got there. They sent his ass to D.C. and then drove him the Baltimore. Yo, that was, that to me. That was crazy. So that's an underrated thing about NFL teams and free agency and stuff is that that sort of thing right like people getting your flight

reservations right right what are they put what class of ticket they give you so so forth and so on and there are teams that are like the team that'll put you i'm using not as a direct example but the team that'll put you on spirit there are those teams and so one of the things i think that made the the backlash against the move so strong is that people have been looking for a reason to take the baltimore ravens this organization that we all thought so highly about and apparently behind the scenes it's descended more and more into an amateur hour.

And there were a lot of people who, there were a lot of people in the league who I think were happy to celebrate that and then use media members to say that. And then everybody figured out that the people who know were saying this sort of thing, and then it goes.

But flying somebody into D.C. Rather than Baltimore, that feels like amateur hour. Yeah. And as someone who's been a lot of time growing up, you know, near Baltimore, that's not a close drive. depending on the traffic, that could be a very far drive.

And BWI, it's an international airport, you know? Right. It's probably 15 minutes away from the Ravens Stadium, maybe 20 minutes from their practice facility. Like, I don't know what happened there, but it really did seem like amateur hour. And the piece that I guess I'm kind of stuck on as far as like how I feel towards this in relation to the max is, when did the Ravens know that they weren't going to go through? Because if it's any time, like, other than like the timeframe in which he was at or, you know, NBC headed to Baltimore, like in the time frame, that's grimy because you didn't have to fly him out there. Well, what if they, I think what probably happened was they decided before he got on the plane, but there was somebody in the office that was still a holdout and was like, well, look, let's just get the MRI.

And then we decide, right, hoping that it's not going to be like somebody else. is MRI, right? Like, they're going to get in there. They'll be like, oh, man, it don't even look like he had no surgery, right? Like, that's what it does. Yeah, yeah. That's exactly what it is, though. Because, because, yeah, I was talking to a friend of mine and he was like, okay, so what, what is this?

Like, is Max done? Like, he can't pass a physical. It's like, no, no, no, no. He can't pass a two first round pick physical. Yes. Third round pick? Well, that's where I was surprised. think I said this, when we talked about this with Danny Parkes last week,

I was surprised that the terms just didn't change because this does happen, that somebody looked at the MRIs like, no, no, no, this didn't go work. So how about we make this a one and a three, right? Or one and a two. No, they decided they wanted out on the whole thing. Yeah. And if you believe what the story people are telling, wasn't the story that they were going to try to give both Crosby and Trey Hendrickson?

Now, that's a damn lie. Yeah, as I'm saying as Dominique. as Dominique put it, the Ravens trying to go to season two. Why are we going to the dots, baby? We're going to the docks. See, my, and I know, I know, like, I, my brain's not wired right

because my immediate thing was, why are the Raven saying anything at all? Like, why is Eric Costa going on TV talk about this shit? Like, yeah, I would say, man, Max Prosby tech fleet was never a Baltimore Raven. Never, he's never had a contract signed with our team. I'm not answering questions about this.

We don't talk about other teams players. We can't talk about other teams players. They'll sit all the time. And then guess what? There's so much shit going on outside. People forget by the end of the weekend. You don't have to say anything. It's a war going on outside.

No man, it's safe. And then there's people like, oh, you know, no one was ever going to do business Ravens again. Well, I know that's not true because Trey Henderson just did. So that makes a green. They called him and he was like, shit. Yes. my name's Paul and that's between y'all.

He was like, y'all got that buddy, though. All right, I'll take it. I'll take it. So I remember when I was little, there was a, this is very interesting how radio stations could kind of traffic in the early 90s. I want to say Luther Vandros was coming to town

in Houston do a show. And they was giving away tickets for Luther Vandros if you heard the song or whatever it was, you know, I forget exactly what the gimmick was to get the Luther Vandros tickets. but they weren't only giving away Luther Vandos tickets. So anyway, somebody called up once and she had won the new DJ Quick tape.

I think it was way too funky, the one with just like Compton on it. Great, right? I just took his albums the past few weeks so good. So she calls up and she's like, yo, and they're like, congratulations, you just want a DJ Quick CD. And she was like, okay,

I was trying to win these tickets because let's be honest, if you call it to win Luther Vandros tickets, you're not giving that up for a DJ Quick CD, right? Like, you got this problem. Yeah, this is not the same exact rules. She hugged up. A couple songs playing on the radio.

They come back. Somebody's like, yo, 979, what's your name? And he was like, yo, man, my name is whatever. She all want that DJ Quick CD. I want it. I want it. And so he went and came up to the radio stage and picked up that DJ Quick CD.

Trey Hiddonson was like, hey, let me get that DJ Quick CD. Absolutely. And it's the same DJ Quick CD that she was going to get. Yeah. Yeah. And he's been looking for a DJ Quick CD for about three years now. Yeah. Remember two dogs, one bone with the Steelers, Mike Tomlin, Mike Wallace and Antonio Brown. Oh, yeah. Only one of them was going to get the extension. I think Mike Wallace was offered. He said, no, Antonio Brown was like, let me get that. Yeah. Yeah. Steelers, not an interesting team. What the hell are they doing? Oh, well, coming up next, we can talk about what they're doing. And I have a fun, fun, fun Minnesota Vikings detail for you.

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With the Vikings, I want to bring this up to you now. We have talked a lot about the fact that Kevin O'Connell already has J.J. McCarthy, who he clearly loathes. Yes. Loads. Yes. He has picked up Kyler Murray, who was not well liked at his last stop. And people with no quarterback traded his,

gave his talented ass away or taking a $30,000 million dollar cap hit to have him. And so, like, you would think that maybe you need to get like a Charlie Batch in that quarterback role by Josh McCown, right? Somebody that people really like. It can smooth things out. But the Vikings said, no, we'll be. it Carson Wins. They brought them back.

They brought him back. Kyle Murray Carson Wenz and J.J. McCarthy. That's the quarterback room. Quarterback room. Yeah, because I've seen people like, oh, will someone trade for J.J. McCarthy? Hell no. No. Like, I, because I, this is something that is not always fun to do, but you have to be honest with

yourself, I think, when it's going on. And, because Nate and I, like, we were. labeled like state terrorist by Vikings fans last year for you know as because because he finished nine and eight shout out you know to everything that wasn't jay jay mccarthy on that team last year to get to nine and eight they they finished the season by you know beating your your Detroit lines in a game where they had like less than 10 passing you know yeah i'm not you know like that's a good team um i mean sure they won 14 games a year before and and now we got people saying stuff like you know kail mary's knows sam donald which is like okay

I wouldn't say that. We've talked about this. We've jumped up. He was never down that bad. Never, never. Because if he was, he wouldn't be in the NFL anymore. Ever, ever. He'd be somewhere Turner that 4-6-3 double play.

Man, I have a conspiracy theory about that. The A's definitely draft them so they wouldn't have to pay anybody that year. That seems pretty clear now that how things have gone there. But it's the idea that like you could go back into this season with J. G. G. McCarthy as you're starting forwardback. No, you can't. You absolutely could not. And it's not just because he was bad. And he was bad, like, historically bad. And I don't even mean that, like, just from a number standpoint, I mean, like, from an operation standpoint where, you know, you're in the first, like, half of the season and, you know, they call

a run play and J.J. is turning right. And the whole other 10 players are turning left. You didn't play last year. All you have to do was read. And you're still don't know like the plays. Okay. That's a huge red flag there. And then I knew it was over when he had, do you remember

his gritting escapade from last year? Yes. They told him not too. And he said, he came out and he said, you know, I'm, you know, when I'm feeling myself, it made me want to gritty more because they told me not to do it. And I was like, I know exactly what kind of motherfucker you are.

And you're not going to be here next year. Yeah, you hope you're on next year. And they don't like you. Right. And when they got, they played Green Bay at Green Bay and back half the season. And Michael Parsons, scary guy,

but I don't really see many quarterbacks play, and I can feel how scared they are. Like, we can't come back from that. So sure, is Kyle Murray, you know, the best quarterback in the league?

No. But he's, probably about three times better than what you had for a million dollars a year. And now this is a spot where if things work out, boom, there's your quarterback for the next four or five years. But sometimes, sometimes, like, people need to look at it as in terms of if your job was on the line, would you sit there and say, we're going to try and fix this JJ McCarthy thing? Right, right.

Because the answer is a big fat, hell no. Well, let me ask this, though, because those Shadahan McVeigh types are very similar to Bill Walsh types. They just want you to run the system. Do what I said. Kyle Murray is not typically that type of quarterback. But at the same time, he wasn't the only option that was out there. And they still said, yeah, give me that. Like, how do you think that he and O'Connell work together? If it's better than last year, I think that Kevin will be feeling pretty good. And as long as one of them is feeling pretty good, then you can, you can kind mitigate that. Although I do wonder sometimes if the Kyler stuff has jumped the chart to a degree

only because like like the cult, like the gaming stuff really got out of hand, I thought, with with the way that some of us were talking about it. And I know that, look, when it's in your contract, it's obviously real to a degree, right? But man, it like we're, it's kind of felt like we started talking about this guy as if he didn't care about football, which I, I just vehemently don't think is accurate. Obviously, like, it didn't, it didn't end well, but it also didn't end so bad that you need to cut him for nothing.

Like, no, I just think people don't like him. Yeah, like, I think the, I mean, look, the gaming thing was an issue. Yes. But my thing was, but you kept him, right? Yeah. Right? Like, that was, you did pay him the money. Yeah, you did pay him to money. The reason I had a problem with the cause is that all they did was embarrass everybody. Yeah. And I don't know if he made him stop playing video.

games, right? But in the end, how he gets there is how he gets there. You know what I mean? But okay, I just and they got Brian Flores up there too. People don't like him either. Like, they just, it's a real Joe Friday just the fact shit up there in Minnesota. They just like, man, just do your job, man. Don't talk to me, man.

Do your job, man. Right, exactly. But they all know if the three of those guys, Kevin O'Connell, you know what? I'll probably Justin Jefferson in there too because Justin Jefferson, like, he's, like, character-wise, he's about as good against the NFL. He will admit to you last year was not his best season on top of the Judge McCartney's stuff. Like he did have some of very uncharacteristic drafts. But if those four guys get together before the season and say, hey, look, Justin, like, we're

going to need your positivity to be the glue on this sometimes. But like, we've got a lot of potential to make a fuck ton of money here if we get this season right. Because you're going to get Capulcone extension. You're going to get a culinary extension. Maybe Biflo can, you know, maybe he gets the monkey off his back and gets to go do something else. Just Jefferson's happy.

Like there's a lot riding on this year. Like we're talking, you know, several hundred million dollars worth of potential future money on the line. So I think that'll get him to, you know, just behave a little bit. And I also think like there's, you don't want to watch your bad quarterback gritting out there when you just ask them not to. You know, so like, just don't be that. And I think that that will be a big

improvement for them. Yeah, they're like, oh, you want to dance like one of them blacks, huh? Okay. Guess we got, guess we're going to have to treat you like one. They bailed on him. They bailed on him. Like he was raised in the fister of the national anthem. And, you know, people can remember.

And I've watched them talk themselves into a lot of white boys, man. a lot of them. They look, hey, once again, the devil don't need no advocate. Right, exactly. There's one right there for you. Hey, we're like, man, you'll get this white boy out of my face.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, go, yeah, yeah, tell us a little black ass to come on up here. We got a spot for him. Well, okay, so now I'm not on Twitter anymore. Like, one of my favorite things to do, like to just get my, my, my, my, my, my, uh, my hater quench fulfilled is to go on Reddit and just look at team fans, like after,

you know, either a weird win or bad loss to just see how they're responding. And, you know, just like tracking biking fans during the season, oh, man, they don't get it, man. Like, they're not watching these games. Like, we're watching, like, yeah, I am because I got to pay rent. So I promise you I'm watching these games, dog. But not watching these games, they don't understand to, oh, man, like, you think you see a little something more than JJ to the end of the season. Like, is JJ going to be a starter next year? No, he's not going to be the starter.

and you shouldn't want him to be the starter either. Like, you really want to see if you can fix the reclamation project on this, or would you either just try something else? And I think more fans need to think about that sometimes. Like you get so caught up in like, oh, like, do I have the right QB? Well, we picked a quarterback, and it's going to feel bad if we don't have the right quarterback. So I'm going to feel like this is the right quarterback. But it's a lot.

Actually, if you just admit to yourself, no, this ain't good enough to try something else. Instead of doing this, but yeah. I just can't, like, I didn't watch enough to realize that he was so bad that it was like, nah. No, can't, literally cannot do this again, no. Like, that is the, like, I remember what that happened with E.J. Manuel, and it was clear that he was throwing him hospital balls. And like, my buddy Steve White got rest his soul. He was like, man, I got to get him out here before he gets somebody hurt. Yeah, seriously. I mean, like, like, J.G. McCarthy. Oh, man. I'm about to say his numbers were about, uh, about. on par with Shador Sanders in my head, but no, he's about twice as being turned to QBR.

You could help it. You could help it. No, no, no, because during the season, like, that was like my thing. I was like, bro, like, you traded up in the first round to get this quarterback who was playing as bad as, you know, a fifth round rookie. But no, his, his QBR was twice. That was twice. That was twice.

Twice. Yeah. Never mind. Hey, right fast, man. Before we get out of here, I want to talk to the people about this. I don't know if they know this is going on. There is currently a labor dispute between the National Football League and the refs, referees, zebras, hall monotonous, snitches. Anyway, I don't know what's going to happen before the season starts, but a report has emerged that the NFL is already beginning to look into hiring replacement refs, scabs, is what people call.

And regardless of your feelings about organized labor and solidarity within those fronts and so forth and so on, I would assume that the leak about replacement referees came from the NFL as a tactic to try to get the referees to bow down because they're like, yo, we'll just go get another set of you. and Charles, I'm just curious if you remember the last time we had replacement referees because I feel like anyone who remembers the last time we had replacement referees would understand that there is no hollower threat that the NFL could send the referees other than, well, we'll just go get replacement referees. because what was it, four weeks that we had the replacement reps. I want to say it was in 2012 that we had those replacement reps. Oh, my God, playy-y-ackety-sacks.

That was a learning lesson for everybody. If you think the reps are bad, that doesn't mean they aren't better than every other option in those games. Yeah. Sucked, man. Yeah, and I, and, but here's, here's, like, where I've been thinking about since you, because I didn't, honestly, I didn't even know this until we were talking about before the show. But so the replacement ref thing was a disaster.

How much of it do you remember? Because I remember one play, you know? I remember consistently that it was like, hey, we got a problem here. But of course, the play we all remember, I always talk about on this show, like national television exposes everything. So for those who don't remember, it was the Packers against the Seahawks. and I want to say the Packers had thrown a Hail Mary into the end zone, right? It was ultimately called the Fail Mary.

And it was one of those kind of sort of simultaneous possession situations. And so it was the, yeah, it was the Packers that threw it in. Okay. It seemed very clearly after all of a sudden done that the Packers had made the catch and that they won the game. Yeah, it was because Mike Silver, that picture of Mike Silver talking to Aaron Rogers. on the field after the game. Okay. So it was very, it seemed clear that that had happened,

but the reps weren't short because it was a simultaneous possessing situation. So two reps start running toward the play, and both of them are putting their hands above their heads in order to make the signal. One of them, I think the one that was from farther away, was going to come in and had his hands going up to call touchdown. But the other one who was closer was putting his hands over his head to do the thing where you cross your hands

so you begin to say it was a touchback and the possesses going the other way. The dude that was going to call the touchdown saw the other dude crossed his hands over his head and so touchdown man played follow the leader because he didn't have no confidence in his call

and then he went and did it and then a third ref came in and he was all lost on what to do and then they huddled and then they decided okay we'll just call this an interception and there were professional refs out there, the next game. Yeah, yeah.

Because it had to be fixed because it was so embarrassing how bad the replacement of reps were. No, and they were bad. And I remember that play, like, and specifically the huddle up because I was watching that, you know, because, because, well, I was like 2012. So I was like 18, 19, man. I was like, I've watched that game with some friends.

And we've been there before. We're huddled up. Okay. Hold on, my bad. Yeah, it was, my bad. It was Russell Wilson. Yeah, okay. So Seattle scored.

I got it backwards. The one guy was coming, that's right, the one guy was coming in to make the right call that it was a touchback. Yeah. But the other ref did the,

it looked like a sitcom. Yes, sitcom. Like it looked like Homer Simpson would have been like, what if Homer was a referee? And ultimately, like you're exhibiting the behavior of like shitty like 18, 19 year old boys

in that situation. Okay. Okay, we got caught. So what's, Yes, I did see you talking to her, but we're going to say this. We're going to run a play to get her out of the... No, but the problem is we know that this happened because we were still all watching these games, you know? Yes.

Like, that's the problem. And this is how I know, like, I'm still a little bit... I still got sports sometimes weighing too heavy on my soul because I functionally treat the referee unions. And look, I, like, my first job at Vox, I was there when the Vox union got started. You know, I've been at other workplace where we started to start unions. Like, I believe in the stuff. But that ref union, I've been looking at like a police union, man. That's like, man.

And I know that that's too far. It's obviously way too far. But, man, it's just not stopping me from, you know, watching these games. And that's my moral cross to bear. I'm still working on it. But, you know, it's. I mean, we still go watch them. Of course, of course.

But the reps are going to win again. Yes, they are. The reps have learned. All we got to do is wait for these bums. Look, this is the thing about levels of expansion of football. And what I mean by expansion in this case, I'm using like the, the UFL or whatever it is, or the XFL, whichever one of them, FL, all of them FLs.

The issue that those leagues have and why none of them will ever be any good is there aren't enough good quarterbacks to go around for the NFL, let alone for those lower levels. Like there are good enough players and maybe not offensive linemen, but they're generally good enough players on those levels to put together an entertaining football game because we see it in college. But there aren't enough good quarterbacks to make it work. And so the games always wind up being terrible.

There aren't enough good referees to go around in the NFL as it stands. And you're going to break out a whole, like the whole B team all at once. And by the way, a B team that doesn't really practice to be the B team. No. These cats just showed up. This shit is like one of them Keanu Reeves movies. They got real jobs, you know? Because my girl, she's been watching football for the first time

for the past couple years. And, you know, she started Googling, like, the referees. Like, when she sees them on TV and she's like, all these guys are like lawyers or like, you know, they have like big businesses, like outside of this referee job, which also, I think, plays into why people don't really care about this. Because we know, like, like, seriously, next time you're watching the NFL game

and you see the referees, just Google their name. They all got some side, like, some side, the referee is a side business. The referee is the side business, right? Like, they got, you know, law firms, like investment firms, like big money stuff. So, you know, when you started getting to, like, the labor relations where these guys are making a whole lot of money and we see it on, like, the player's side with the apathy. I mean, I could do a whole podcast on that shit with J.C. Treader. But we see it like when the money gets to the point where it's kind of hard to like actually hurt people from taking their jobs away, they're willing to take that risk and say, no, we'll wait you out and give it a month and we'll get to ref fewer games.

And the product will be better by the end of the season and everybody will be happy. But the fact that like we could do this again for the for the people who weren't, you know, watching football or football conscious, last time it's went around. You're in for a treat. And it's going to be excruciating. But guess what? I'll see you next Sunday, too. Staring down the people that beat you the last time we did this. Like, you would think that they would understand.

All right, hey, man, hey, man. We'll get it right. You know what I'm saying? Let's just, let's just, like, we know we got to get this done. No, man, they greedy asses just can't help it. And they will, they will let this product suffer so many ways. over and over again. Me and my man, Rod,

I've talked about this, that the NBA has to answer for everything it does or does not do in the name of the quality of the product. Right. The NFL rarely, if ever, does. And this is the clearest sign that you don't care

about the actual quality of the product. Yeah. Or another example that you don't care much about the safety of the players. No, seriously. And it kind of goes back to what we were talking about at the start. Like, when there's no financial,

incentive to like behave properly properly then uh like why why why would we rush on anything uh and you know this fight because because last year i feel like i've been having day job with this off season because last year when the uh nfl p a stuff's going on y'all is having a conversation with my colleagues he's like you know like why why why does anyone care about this i'm like what what do you mean because because because okay because if because okay yeah yeah Yeah, at this point, the NFLPA, it basically exists just so the NFL doesn't get sued, right? That's the only really functioning power has left. But it can always get worse, Doug.

They were out here playing preseasoning games for free. Training camp wasn't paid back in the day. Yeah. It can get so much worse. And if they didn't have that union or we didn't have the referee union, I can promise you guys this would be a much worse product every Sunday. Would it ever. Much worse.

And we're about to see this capitulate to 18 games in a couple of years. We all know that that's where it's head now that J.C. Treter is back in it. I think we've got to think a little more critically and harder about what has actually happened to sport in terms of like the labor movement here because like what's going on with the players, man, that's that's kind of scary, man. Like to see these people in my state's feeling, I mean specifically like Lloyd Howe of J.C. Treter, they studied labor relations. and have gotten into the business of busting unions.

Like, J.C. Trayor has basically destroyed his own union. Lloyd Howell in the past, like, part of the reason they hired him was... Now, that was the wild one. Right. Because he wasn't a union guy. They hired him because he was a businessman. They wanted one of those. Specifically, an anti-union guy.

And they went, oh, well, he can change from the inside. Man, that's bullshit. So, you know, you definitely want these to be protected. But, you know, I got to work on myself and not look at the reference. breeze as police units. They're just a step back. By the way, I don't know if you saw this, and I'll just say this as we as we head out, that the

Cardinal signed Trey Lance for one year deal worth up to $6.75 million. Why are they signed quarterbacks? Because I'm just telling you, somebody's going to get a hold of that Trey Lance and it's going to work. I don't know who. I don't know when. He did not get a, he did not

get a real opportunity to do this. He did. Like, that's, that's, that's by my stance on trail like y'all making fun of him like he broke his leg man like yeah he broke his leg and Kyle shanahan for the second time treated a quarterback like a running back i got him out here running power and stuff like this right like something something happened right um but we have not we have not seen and if there's anybody that i feel like you get somebody up to snuff jim harbaw seems to be sort of dude who could figure that out and that's why it's somewhat amazing to me that some of these moves the teams have made

and not one has made like a real Trey Lance push. I would look. So Anthony Richardson is going to get another chance too. I don't know where. Somebody's going to get a hold of them. It's going to be in Indianapolis. This year. You and I are the same page on that one.

I mean, the, yeah, the Daniel Jones thing. Again, again, that's like, like the Kyler thing. I was sitting, I was sitting like, does no one think this is ridiculous? Like, and the fact, you know it's ridiculous because ain't nobody tried to sign him on that transition tag.

Any team could have, and the way that it works is if he agreed to a deal, the team that signed would not even have to send picks back. And nobody bit on that. So you negotiate against yourself for Daniel Jones. And remember, not only did he

Terry to kill you last year, he was playing on a broken leg too. Yeah, and he's already had a tour on ACO. Right. So you're like... And he's never been good. Not even last year. That's Nate's point, which is also correct.

You bet on Daniel Jones to be good and healthy. Two things he's notoriously never been. Like what is this? I got to say, Chris Ballard. Chris Ballard, he should hold seminars whenever this GM run ends because he's on year 10. And how, how, how? Well, here's my thing.

What do he say to keep this job? after Jim died. That's why I want to know. Here's my thing. So Mrs. Gordon then clips of her on the sideline with the headset on, which is going to be cute until it's not. Yes. Right? I understand the argument, but that's, that's meddlesome behavior. Right? Like, like, if you don't

like the story, you don't like the person, let Jerry Jones be sitting up there in the booth with the headphones on. Talking about I just want to know what, I just want to know what's happening. Tom Brady was on the headset with Chip Kelly, and we were looking at that last thing. That's kind of strange. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but like, you know, as someone of them accused, yeah, but I'd say

it is. What she need to be doing is sitting there next to Chris Ballard. That's the person. That's the person they need to feel like the eye on the sky don't lie. I feel like Chris has probably like ingratiate himself into the family at this point. Because my very cynical take when Jim passed away was, oh, he's going to figure out a way to keep his job through this. Man, I'm one of you. Like at this point, like I've been here looking for this Andrew Lux successor for about 10,

now. I thought we had something here and they're letting do it one more time. Because also I guess they're probably looking at it like this. What the fuck else we would? We trade two first-round pictures sauce gardener. So I guess this is it. You know? Yeah. They did do that. That's because that

that's hopefully why they felt like they had to pay Dion Jones probably because they didn't have no first round. No, because they thought they had Daniel. They thought they had a quarterback because they had Daniel Jones. Right. And you're right. At some point, Anthony Richardson that's over there being big, strong and fast. And you're going to see him, you know,

overthrowing Alec Pierce again at some point this season. Shoot, I don't know, maybe even week one. But I will say this, though, after he came back from that de facto suspension, he wasn't bad. No, he wasn't. Like they've given, I feel like they've given up on him as a man. Yeah, that, I agree. I would agree with that assessment.

And I do think it's interesting that you draft a guy like Anthony Richardson and don't commit to the thing you have to do, which is suck. Like you're going to suck. It's going to be tough for a while. I mean, dude, Josh out was bad for, what, like 20 years? Two years. Yeah, two years before it started getting going. And ultimately, no one really remembers that, you know, outside people like me who say there was reason enough to doubt that he would ever be this. I got to let go.

I've let it go because I love watching the play. Right, right, right, right, right. I have had no problem with that part. The part that I have trouble letting go of is I was right when I was right. Yes. Now, was I wrong to say he was going to get everybody fired. Yes. But I was right to say, no, when I said he was going to get everybody fired, I was wrong.

But I was not wrong to say that he was going to get everybody fired. It was just for different reasons. Does that make sense? Like all the sides were there. And all the evidence was there. And that team is fascinating because what they have signaled is all of that. All of that was one man's fault. One person.

Yes. Sean McDermott. That was all his fault. And you know it's not passing the sniff test because we all watch that game. Yeah. Okay. But it does it. To be fair, and this happens when people get fired.

and this is the way, I don't know if you've ever been fired before, but I got, I got some, I got some stripes in the game, right? And what people typically do when they get fired, and I say they, because I do not, is they personalize it very much so, as though you are saying that I was what was wrong. And in reality, what you're saying normally is, we don't want to fire you. for whatever the reason may be, we've decided that we don't want you to be there. It does signal as though they're saying McDermott was the problem. But no, it really was McDermott was a problem. No. The thing was Brandon B figured out how to get a promotion out of it.

And Joe Brady too. Right, which means that he definitely told the world that McDermott was the problem. Yes. And the world, Terry Pagula, you know, that's the world that matters. Yes. in this scenario.

But I thought one of the funniest things about that Escapade was, I think an underrated piece of it was when Terry said the weird stuff about Keon Coleman and how, oh, you know, that was a coaching staff pick, like not a, you know, a Brandon Bean pick. And then as soon as that press conference is over, they announced that they had just interviewed Joe Brady for the head coaching job. Like, you just trashed the man that you just interviewed who you ended up hiring to run the whole thing. I would love to know

If I could get If I could talk to two people right now Honestly about just football I would love to get Sean McDermott and Mike Tom And sit down and say how y'all How are you? I know Mike's probably feeling pretty good Because I can't imagine that that

I think that this is probably going to be the first losing season In 20 years for the Pittsburgh Steelers But Sean like, John's going to be looking like dude What? What did he do? do so terribly here, especially considering as a defensive guy, like, the defense was not talented as they got into the stretch, but they still played okay. And they were putting some bad spots

in that Denver game. That's Brandon Bean's job to get those guys. This year, I think this offseason has been the year all these billionaire owners got swindled. Because how are you going to tell me Brandon Bean kept this job? You know, Andrew Barry kept this job in Cleveland. John Spy Tech kept this job in Las Vegas. All these other guys got fired. Like all these coaches got fired and none of these GMs got fired. That's a culture problem, man. Yes, but that also means that all those GMs are next.

Yes. As for Mike Tomlin, I need everybody understand this if they don't. None of those other two coaches that the Steelers had in my lifetime winning coached anywhere again. Right. Tyler, Todd got his bread. Maybe he'll do television or maybe not. I bet he made a lot more money coaching than Bill Coward did.

Oh, for sure. And also, if I'm like, I ain't going back because I'm not risking getting a losing season. What do you mean? I did 20 years no losing seasons. Why would I risk that, you know, just to come back for what? And I'm telling him about I said this, but what if he cooked anyway? Like, it's, it's, there are criticism of him as a coach. that we do not make because we like him.

Right, right. You know, I literally just said to my boy yesterday, I'm like, I can be honest about the Steelers now. Yeah. No, let me tell you, you know, so that I would love to hear an honest conversation about one guy over another. Can you imagine what Bill Belichick

would have to say about Mike Tomlin, giving the way Bill Belichick would hand his ass to him every single time? And Mike would be looking at him saying, wouldn't let that happen to me, though. He's going to be a different. Duke coach me. You think my house will be coached together Duke?

You know, sir. Oh, sir. Not me. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is Charles McDonald. Check him out at Yahoo Sports Covering the NFL. My brother, I appreciate you. Appreciate it, man. All right. Now, ladies and gentlemen,

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