The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Charles McDonald Talks NFL Combine: Travis Hunter, Cam Ward, Shedeur Sanders, and More | 2.28

Episode Date: February 28, 2025

On today's episode of The Right Time, Bomani Jones is joined by Charles McDonald of Yahoo Sports to discuss the upcoming NFL Draft. The show starts off with Bo and Charles joking about a fight between two NFL media members and why it doesn't make sense for Matthew Stafford to leave the Los Angeles Rams. Next, they dive into NFL Draft talk such as which position should Travis Hunter play, is Cam Ward QB #1 and will Shadeur Sanders slide on Draft day? They wrap up the show with Charles talking about his binge watching experience of The Wire during Super Bowl week. #shedeursanders #travishunter #camward #losangelesrams #nfldraft #nflcombine #matthewstafford  . . . Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media:  http://lnk.to/therighttime Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Support the Show:  PrizePicks: Daily Fantasy Made Easy! Visit PrizePicks.com/BOMANI and use code BOMANI for a first deposit match up to $100! They Swoosh, You Save: when any player scores 50 or more points in a game during the 24/25 NBA regular season, DashPass members save 50% on an order, up to $10 off.  Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com/BOMANI.Terms and conditions apply. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It is Charles Robinson Friday. Charles Robinson, Yahoo Sports. Nope. The black one. The black Charles Robinson. McDonald. McDonald. We did this last.

Yo, I don't, I really had made y'all have two Charles Robinson. Yes. I'd really, I'd really done that. I feel like we should keep that in the cut. Like, it really was. I mean, let's be honest here, man. If you put a picture of you two up, which one of y'all is Charles Robinson, and which one of y'all is Charles McDonald?

I don't have an answer. And if I get voice samples from the two of you, I also don't know which one of you is Charles Robinson and which one of you is Charles McDonald's. Dude, that's happened to me. So I'm in Indianapolis right now for the NFL Combine. I think it's happened me three or four times this week. We're like, oh, Charles Robinson.

I'm like, close. Close, but no cigar. Charles is a 6'4 white guy. I'm around 6 feet tall, not white, you know? So we're working on it. We're still working on it. I've been here for almost three years now, and I still get Charles Robinson.

I rock with both of y'all, though. That's the reason why it goes that way. It's not like I'm calling you somebody name who I don't like a lot. You know? Right. I appreciate that. You know, we could be beefing in the Starbucks, right? That's right.

I don't. Apparently, you know, up there at, I mean, the combine, which is a big old out of town trip. They was getting into it. A couple of NFL writers getting into it at Starbucks at the hotel. Adam, Adam Schaefter said out of tweet as there's Indianapolis, head on a swivel with a picture of Starbucks. That was hilarious. You know, it's just like, it's fun. me because it's like the lowest stake stuff, right?

You know, we're talking about a Matthew Stafford report. If he went to Tom Brady in February, after the Rams gave him permission to seek a trade, like maybe he did go over there. Maybe he didn't. But one thing I know is you're not about to come put a finger on my face over that, you know, crazy. There is that. And by the way, since you jumped on that, the Stafford story is very interesting to me.

Because I do actually think that there is something about whether, and the story is that Matthew Stafford was at, some join in Montana. And depending on who you ask, either he ran into Tom Brady or it was an orchestrated meeting with Tom Brady to talk about maybe him going to play

for the Las Vegas Raiders. I would just like to point out, wow, this Matthew Stafford guy has this incredible knack for just winding up at hotels on vacation with people that he might play for the next year. Because that's the same goddamn story they had

about how he wound up with the Rams, He was just in Mexico and what do you know? Sean McVeigh happened to be at the same place. Also, given what we know about Tom Brady, we know that while he was broadcasting games for Fox, he was talking to Ben Johnson about this Raiders gig. This is much less offensive than that. Because Stafford, he's been permission to seek a trade.

So if you were to talk to Tom Brady, that should be okay. So it is funny, they're squabbling a little bit about it. They're squabling over here about it. It was a talk of the town last night. You were running into Ian Rappaport. He wasn't the happiest guy. So I haven't seen Jordan Schultz. So I'm going to try to get the full story from both parties and see what we can

dig up here. Let me ask you this. If you're Matthew Stafford, is there a reason you would go to the Raiders? I mean, I guess if they dial up the money. So for people who don't know this, this is this situation unlike any I can really think of. Matthew Stafford has no guaranteed money left in his contract. And he, people are higher.

on him now than literally they have ever been in his career. He's just old, right? That's just, that's the only thing that comes up. He obviously, as a quarterback would at this point or anybody, he wants to guarantee money in the contract. Obviously, he's got some leverage over the Rams because they need a quarterback, but there seems to be a discrepancy between what the Rams want to pay and what Stafford wants to be paid. So they have given him permission to seek a trade with at least both sides, given the

impression. They don't actually want to trade. They just want him to go out and figure out what the market is, which to me sounds like restricted free agency, which in the NBA, never involves much action because why would a team waste their time

just to set the market for somebody else? And to me, the Rams will have to pay whatever it happens to be because they have no backup plan. Anyway, he in Montana and one way or another, he runs into Tom Brady. And I don't care. Tom Brady, I don't care what time Brady does for that team,

voluntarily going to play for the Raiders. What are you going to do that for? It's crazy. At this point in your career, for what? Why? Why would you do that? I would sooner retire than do that. It really makes no sense to me.

Also, because is that a better situation than being able to play with like Pukunakua for a year or two more? I mean, Brock Bowers, that's a cold boy. But at the same time, the Raiders, Like, why? The infrastructure's not there. You're playing for the first time coach. You play for Sean McVeigh right now.

Don't mess that up, you know? The grass is not always greener on the other side. He comes from Detroit. He should know that better than anyone, you know? So I do think it's kind of interesting they're in this space because I don't really understand why they're trying to get rid of Matthew Stafford or what their thought process is here because there's been rumors you're talking about putting Sam Donald in for Matthew Stafford.

And I'm like, I don't understand that one either. I mean, I watched Sam play all year. I covered Sam when he was on the Jets. Why would you want to just throw that into your starting quarterback spot when you already have Matthew Stafford? Maybe, you know, Stafford's trying to get some guarantee money. I understand that. But from the Rams perspective, I watched him play last year. He looks all right.

Looks like you still got a year or two left. I guess it just comes down to how expensive it is. But I don't really think that this needs to be a divorce yet for either side. Well, I mean, I can only presume here that Stafford is. putting the screws to them. Because why would he not put the screws to him? That was the decision they made. And I guess this is still the Rams having to make their salary cap work because of all

the damage. They've done to it over the years. But winding up in this situation where you get to this point right here where Matthew Stafford has no guarantee money in his contract and you have no backup plan. Yeah. I don't know how you get yourself there. Stafford's got to be looking at that and being like, I want $100 million. Yeah.

But this year. Why not? What's y'all going to do? Two years, 150, 100 guaranteed. Why not? Why not? Like, literally, like, honestly, if you're Stafford, that is not terribly unreasonable to throw with them 100 million, 100 guaranteed over these years?

Yeah, why not? Yeah. Well, no, that's a good point, because what are you going to do? You're going to start Seth and Bennett? Right. Idiot, Eddie old George Bulldog to do, huh? Okay. Right, right, right.

No, but it is a good point. I'm curious to see what the price he gets back out there because he's, you know, he's, He's 36, 37 years old, but he can still sling it, you know. So if you're a team like the Jets or the Giants, you know, these crappy New York teams, I know they're interested in Matthew Stafford. So why not go see what you can do out there? Because that's a good point. You do have the Rams by the balls.

What are you going to do? Start Justin Bennett? I dare you. Yeah, yeah. Let me know how that goes, right? What do you're going to do? Trade up and draft cam Ward or shouldor? Is that your plan?

Like, no, what are or as you just pull? put it. You're going to get Sam Donald, huh? Yeah. Okay. All right, buddy. I do think it says a lot about what the combine has become that this is like the hot story of the week, you know. No one really works out all that much. So we're relying on reporter beef and, you know, a quarterback on the last legs to generate these headlines for us. It's, I don't really know how I feel about being in Indianapolis right now, the Longray. The Combine is for y'all to have. hang out with each other. All the scouts, it's like the scout family reunion. Everybody comes

and posts up. Like there's, I mean, there's some, there's some people that need to work out. People that don't need to work out are in large part not going to wind up doing it. No, you're right, but it just, it's a good chance for people to like get together and, you know, talk about some trades, talk about, you know, kick the tires on what might happen in advance of the draft. It's an out-of-town trip for work. Yes, yes. Lots of, lots of out-of-town behavior. You can probably hear it on my voice a little bit. Lots of out of town behavior was done last night for sure. Yeah, in a town that got one restaurant that anybody ever say anything about.

And honestly, I've never even eaten there before. I've never eaten food at Prime 47. Well, actually, no, that's not true because around 3 o'clock in the morning, they bring out one. Hold on. Prime 47, there are two places. I was thinking about St. Elmo's. Oh, St. Elmo's, man. That place sucks, bro.

I don't. Really? I think it sucks. Like, last year, I went there, and I picked. like $90 for a steak that I could have made at home myself. So we're talking about some shrimp cocktail. Harry and Izzy's got better shrimp cocktail than St. Elmo's. Like I couldn't believe how overhyped that place was the first time I ate there. And then you go to Prime 47, which is a steakhouse that's really just like a really nice club for the week. Like they'll stay up until

six o'clock in the morning as long as people are in there spending money this week. It's something I know. So you started like high velocity, which is near where the crime happened between Jordan Schultz and Ian Rappaport yesterday. Then you go out to prime and you just stay out as long as you can. That could be 1 o'clock in the morning. You can stay until the sun rises. But as long as you're spending money, that place will be open, which I can kind of respect. I could never be a reporter in the way that you are because I'm going home, bro. I'm going, I'm going home. I'm not about to be out here all night. night at no sausage party, bro.

Like, y'all up to 6 o'clock in the morning, and it's a bunch of y'all. Yeah, yeah. Like, is there, is there, you know, shall we say, do the groupies come to the combine? There we go. That's all I'm asking.

Do they make it there? They ain't trying to hang out with me, though, you know? I understand that, but I'm just asking, generally speaking. Like, do they make it to town? Because I do have to say, that's a, that's a good opportunity for them to do some scouting. Also, right? Get up there, see, see what young boys are.

Oh, look who ran a four, three. He's rising with a bullet. Okay. Yeah, but it's not the kind of groupies that maybe you or I would be interested. It's more like women who got, they got like kids who play soccer, you know. They're coming out to the combine to try and meet some middle age guys, you know. It's not. See, I'm not talking about the groupies for the scouts right now because, I mean, that would be hilarious.

I'm talking about if I was an enterprise and groupie trying to get on the young boys, I would be there with my own stopwatch. Seeing who's running the times, seeing who just put up 45 reps of 225, seeing who's shooting up that board before the rest of them get a hold there. Like if you're real enterprising, that's what I would be doing. Man, they got these guys on lockdown. So you'd have to be real, real skilled, real skilled. Charles, Charles, let me say some to you about that world.

You are right. Someone would have to be real skilled to do that. But you say that as though there aren't skills to have. have. I know, I know. Like, I used to know somebody who worked covering the game in Atlanta. It would be so funny. And she would talk about how the different, the levels of groupie and how far they could get, right? Like, there's like the tier one groupie that could only get to this place. Then there's the one, like, who can only get like down to court side. And then there's the ones that know enough people that they can get into the tunnel. Then there's the ones that can even if they, they can get to every like into the inner bowels of the situation through through time after time year after year, establishing, the proper relationships, they could pull that off. If you was a real one, not saying you, not the you, you, but the other kind of you. But if you was a real one, I bet that personality, Indianapolis don't rotate, right? You just go up there every year.

They, you know, they ain't getting a whole lot of love. They ain't seeing the best of the best. You know what I'm saying? You can get your ass out there with a stopwatch if you get it right. You could be in the stands, you know, at the combine, trying to see. Who's the fastest real estate out here? That's right. That's what they need to be hiring as the scouts, right?

Like it's the same way I look at it as like, you know, when you need analysis, sometimes you call a gambler. Like, look, the stakes are higher for them, right? They really need to know who's going to win. They are not swayed by biases in the same way. These people that are here trying to get their percentage of the future. Oh, no, they look at this a little bit different. Yeah.

Have you been here for the combine before? Oh, God, no. Okay. So when you get here at the convention center, there's like a little blocked off area before you can walk through the tunnel to Lucas Oil Stadium. And there's just different kind of groupies. I'm talking about old-ass men who are just standing in the corner with footballs stuff, waiting for anyone to walk past. So like, let's say Pete Carroll walks past. Pete, Pete, P, P, P, P, P, P, P, P, P, please, like, so I'm not sure.

I'm like, you all, I got nothing better to do than just see my old day. Those are memorabilia Hawks. They try to go sell those. Dude, they're at the airport too, you know? It's kind of fascinating to me. And they will sit there all day. Oh, you've not heard my Calvin Johnson story about this. I've not.

It is a Calvin Johnson story. It is a Boston story. I have told it on this pod before. I'm aware that I have, but it's still a funny story. So in 2022, I did a Q&A at Sloan, you know, the sports store conference. I presented there once. Okay. Yeah, I did a Q&A with Calvin Johnson talking about weed because God forbid you asked me to talk about math.

Anyway, so I'm sitting there and I'm talking to him about stuff. And on the way out, he and his people asked me if I want to ride to the train station, which I did not need, but it would have looked bad if I had been turning him down. It was so close, but it was whatever, right? I walk with him. So it's me, it's Calvin, it's his managers. it's a dude that had a little issue on the airport

with accidentally urinating on somebody but that's the story for another day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He lived to see you another day? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, tough go. The story was in the news.

I feel bad for the dude. I don't think he did it all purpose. But anyway, so as we're leaving, it's these dudes with the memorabilia. Right? they're asking them to sign stuff. They got helmets. They got all of these things.

And so they're explaining to me, like Calvin's crew is explaining to me that as soon as he got off the plane in Boston, people were right outside, like a baggage claim, trying to get them to sign stuff. Okay? So he shows up to the convention center

where the dork office taking place. And I only saw him once, were in. When we walk out, it's now all these people. I didn't know this was the case, right? So apparently, they were outside when he was coming in, and he's a nice dude, and he told him maybe later, and

they were trying to cash in there later. Okay? And so they outside, and his guys got on a Boston Bruin jersey, the black joint, and he's really pressing up, and Calvin's just, I don't know why he was walking so slow through those people, because to me, man, we just go

vamp. We're going to get to the car, and just bust through these people, but he was taking a slow walk. He wasn't even looking at him. He's a giant man, right? He's just looking straight out and he's walking. And then finally the dudes figure out he really ain't about to sign nothing.

And the guy's like, ah, Calvin, you're not going to sign it, Calvin. You're not going to sign it. That's fucked up, Calvin. That's fucked up. I would tell you, have a nice flight home. But nah, I hope you're playing fucking crashes. Whoa.

Whoa. You hope I died? No, no, no, no, no. You don't just hope I die. You hope like a hundred people die. Everybody. Everybody. Maybe he thought Calvin flew private, right?

Maybe that was the way he said. I hope you're, yeah, because it's Boston, I hope you're playing fucking crash. Wow. Yes. So I say that to say, those guys are not groupies exactly in the way that you think they are. No, no, no, no, no. It's a special brand, you know?

Yes. Like, there are people who are there just to, like, memorabilia hawk, sell that shit. But there are people who are just like, I shook, sow-and-s-h-haw's hand today. Then I feel really good about it. I stood there for eight hours and I got to shake Travis Hunter's hand for two seconds. Oh, okay. That's fine. I'm never going to watch this hand.

Yeah. And there's just so many of them. There's so many of them. Where are you on this Travis Hunter? Should he play two positions in the NFL type deal? I think playing two positions is preposterous unless they're going to give him two paychecks. I agree. But today he's up there and he's talking about I want to play both in the NFL.

It's like, why? I don't know why people are so intrigued by this idea. Now, if you want to, to me, he seems to be, although I'm hearing people say that he's definitely why receiver one and quarterback, cornerback one in this draft. Okay. To my crudely informed opinion, I feel like he is rarer as a cornerbacker. as a corner than he is as a receiver. And he's not that big. And I don't know.

Like, I feel like that works out better for him as a corner than it does as a receiver. Now, if you want to have him be a corner and every now and then, you know, put, have a, have a package where you bring him in. Okay. I think you do that. But, hey, man, granted Dionne Sanders was also playing baseball, but the wear and tear on his body from doing all of that stuff is, I mean, he doesn't have all his toes. I just can't believe they keep pushing this.

Like, again, are you giving me two checks? Was I getting two scholarships? Then what are we talking about here? Yeah. I mean, I remember at Colorado, like, you look at like the play count totals. We're talking like 150 plays per game, which is just, dude, like, I don't know how we did it in college, you know, let alone in the NFL where- At altitude.

Yes, at altitude. And at the NFL, you have more games. You go to the playoffs. You're talking about potentially a 20 game, 21 game season. If you make it to the Super Bowl, what are you talking about? You can't play. You just can't do it. Maybe we're just the dumbest guys ever.

We're totally wrong. And this is going to be like a Herculean feat of athleticism and sheer willpower. But like you said, unless I'm getting paid for cornerback and wide receiver, I just don't see how you could possibly do it. And what, you're going to learn all these coverages. You're going to learn all these offensive plays. It's not like college. You're not running, you know, four or five plays throughout the course of a game.

Like, this is a meticulous game plan that takes, you know, months in advance of planning. I don't know. I don't see it. But I will say, I would like to just from a curiosity perspective, see him give it a go for one season, just as you know how it goes. Because if he's adamant on trying, in America, baby, go for it. And, I mean, he's incredible. Medable. Yes.

Like, I have who it was that I saw that said that watched his tape, saw one bad play. That sounds about right. It sounds about right. Do you think he should be the number one pick in the draft? Because this is a draft that doesn't really seem to have a number one pick. Yeah, I would. I would.

And, you know, it's funny because it kind of reminds me of the, a few years ago there's a draft, I think, with Trayvon Walker went first overall. And I think people kind of kind of, to default to this idea, oh, you can't take a cornerback number one overall. Well, why not? Because if you go back to that class, Derek Singley first overall, doesn't sound that crazy when you watch him play now. So if you think he can be that level. Soft Garner's in that draft too, right? Yeah, that's right. They went back-to-back picks.

And you saw Aiden Hutchinson too, but hey, like those guys are impact, you know, all pro-level defenders at their best. I don't really think that's that crazy to take Travis Hunter that high if you think he can be that level of player. You know, there are some, like, debates like, oh, is he going to be strong enough to hold up against NFL-wide receivers? Like, if AJ Brown comes his way, how's that going to look? But shoot, what, he's only 21? He's still got time to get stronger, get bigger,

learn the finer points of the game. But I think, man, like, his ability at cornerback is so rare. There's the interception. I think they're playing, like, Baylor or something, where he's basically covering two zones. at once. And the way, like, he hits, like, this extra gear to drive downhill, like, 10 yards and pick a ball off that he wasn't even covered in the first place.

Like, dude, if you can do that, you got to play cornerback because that's just, it's too rare a skill to have. And I understand there are people who are like, oh, wide receivers get paid more, so he should play wide receiver. But what's more likely, like, you hit your ceiling at cornerback or you hit at wide receiver? Now, for a guy like him, I don't know. Maybe he could hit stealing up both, but, man, I would just be a quarterback, shot on half the field, and go get paid on that side of the ball.

Well, I will also make this point. If you think he can play both ways and would like to make him play both ways, then hell yeah, you make him number one picking the draft. The draft, yes. Show Hey, O'Honnie. Like, if you think he's, if you think he is two players in one, right? This isn't even a discussion if you actually think that. Like there's anybody in this draft who legitimately has the plan of playing Travis Hunter both ways, like in a starter capacity both ways.

If that is your plan, then he's the no-brainer number one overall pick. Yeah. Oh, I would take him number one in a heartbeat. And I would take him number one just off the cornerback skills. But you're right. Like, do if, let's say if I'm saying that three and I think I can have a top 10 quarterback and a top 10 wide receiver with the same pick. I would trade a lot to get that. So if you're at Tennessee, I get the quarterback is intriguing,

but I think at some point you have to just start looking at, like, player caliber. You know, we're talking someone who can be the best quarterback in the NFL while also being, you know, an explosive weapon on offense, or Cam Ward, who I think could be like a pretty good quarterback. I don't know. Like, that's where I've kind of gotten, or maybe just gotten bored of the whole quarterback discussions in the past few years.

but I think it's interesting to talk about like calibers of players because yeah, you can default and say, oh, just go take the quarterback. That's easy. But I don't know. There's something special. Like if you really think he can do both of those things, that's crazy. That's crazy. Well, hold on. Now coming up next with Charles McDonald, we're going to talk about this quarterback thing because, I mean, I think that the draft is going to have a very interesting piece of television to it. And I tell you what that is is coming up next. Now that the NBA All-Star game has come and gone, the season is starting to heat up, which means you could turn $10 into $1,000 in a single game watching your favorite teams only on prize picks.

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Not necessarily the Cam Ward is the number one overall pick, but the Cam Ward is the number one quarterback. I mean, I think that seems to be pretty clear where we are on that. Where are you on him? I mean, I don't mean this in necessarily a bad way, but I think he's got some James to him that you're going to have to scrub out. Like if you...

I mean, I mean, explain to me how you meet it in a good way if you have to scrub it out. Scrub it out, just to be clear. He's not going to be scared out there, which I think there's some real value to. You know, there's a lot of quarterbacks, I think. We got caught like in the middle eras or in the mid-20s where we were just living

three yards, a pass at a time. And there's a lot of guys who are comfortable doing that. He's going to try and throw the ball down the field and take risks, which is good. But Cam's got this thing where he doesn't have a clock in his head. He's got a sundial. Like, he's moving slow out there. He is taking his time trying to figure out, like, what can I realistically stretch to the limits of possibilities on this play? And it worked out a lot from Miami last year.

But there's also some really, really bad plays out there where, you know, he's getting strip sack because, he's running away from a defensive end, and he forgets, like, that defensive end is still chasing him, like a little object permanence type deal, you know, just because he got away from him the first time. He's still coming around the second time, and you see some bad plays for him there. So it's a lot of, like, man, if I could just get him to stop doing this and just stay doing that, we're in a really good spot with him. But, you mean, you look at the arm talent. For a guy who spent, you know, five years in college, he's only like 22, so you're not even worried about the age there. I think there's a lot to like. It's just you got to break some

bad habits, which, you know, I don't really know it was always possible. I mean, we were saying the same thing about James. We've said the same thing about, like, Ryan Fitzpatrick, which is a little bit scary to me. But man, like the high end of his talent, I think is, it's worth taking number one overall, probably. Is he as good as like, is he a good project, prospect of maybe Caleb or Drake or Jayden Daniels last year? I don't think so. But if I was a Titans fan, I can stomach it, you know? I can stomach it. By the way, that sounds from what you're saying, as though you are not that enthusiastic about the future prospects of Caleb Williams, if you believe that the bad habits thing is kind of dynamic. What is part? Patrick Mahomes

had bad habits to break, right? They just took a whole year to make the decision to do that. I think you're generally making a fair point, though. Like the difference between he and Cam Ward and James, I would say on that is, where Salis TV, like Cam Ward's going to hold it forever before he makes something happen. James' problem is he thinks he'd done the whole equation off the line. And then, oh, man, I ain't know you was going to be there. Dude, one of the funniest plays is, like, I think it was James' last play in Tampa, the 30-pick season. The 30-30?

Yes. So they're playing the Falcons. They get to overtime. He's got 29 picks on the season. I think he threw two during regulation. and like the first play of overtime, he does exactly that, gets the line, okay, I got to figure it out. Jobs back, throws it right to Dion Jones for pick six, end of the game,

30 interceptions on the year. Yeah, you're right, Cam's not like that. Cam is more like play started. We're moving through the play. Okay, I see something. It's coming open. It's going to take a second for it to be open. What can I do in the meantime to give that person a second to get open?

and that's where he falls into some danger. Like, dude, just take the check down. It's not the worst thing never happened to someone, you know? And that's where I get worried for him. But I just think he's a more explosive talent than Shador, which is why I have him a little bit higher. Because, you know, Shador is funny because, like, he kind of, like, physically moves like Dian did, like their strides kind of similar,

but they ain't moving at the same speed, which is why, which is why I'm like, you know, I worry about the up. upside there, but still, he's a capable quarterback in his own right, too. I would not be surprised if Shador wound up having a Gino-Smith night if he shows up on night one. And it goes all the way through. It would not, it would not shock me. And the reason, it is the reason that I say that. Teams are not really going for the, like, there's just something about them guys. They're looking for big dudes. with tools, right?

Some exceptional or perhaps they like even more, collection of exceptional talents that you possess. And I don't think any of us can point us your door and say, what is the exceptional talent he possesses. What you can say is he's got the willingness to stand in there and wait for the play to develop and he'll be the tough guy and make that throw, which, by the way, doesn't sound terribly unlike your questions about what Cam Ward does, the difference being Cam Ward.

can run to safety if it comes down to it. Like, you know, sacks are a quarterback stat. I firmly believe that. I think the evidence bears that out. And so why Colorado had a line, especially that first year there, the line was terrible. It wasn't so much the same issue last year, but a lot of those sack totals still come down to the quarterback. And so what team is going to say to themselves, this is the future? Because, I mean, look, you can do what the Cardinals did that year where you take Josh Rosen and then immediately bail and go to Kyle Murray the next year.

but that's not really how things typically work for team. Like if you make that decision, taking this quarterback is probably going to take you out of taking whoever the quarterback might be next year. Just throw Arch Manning's name out there because it's going to come up, though. I don't think any of us could possibly say if we know what that's going to turn out, at least not right now. So I would not be surprised if it's a long day for it. Would you want to take him with a top 10 pick? Like I've seen like Kuyper has the Jets taking him right now at number seven. I think that would be terrible for everybody.

Yeah. Well, I mean, I've seen mock drafts with the Giants taking them number three. And to me, like, that's, that's crazy. That's, that's, that's, that's anachronistic. That would be a serious deviation from the history of that franchise. Yes, yes. Because last time they had one, they put Eli back in the game, you know? Fired to coach the next day. Fired the coach next day. The Gino, the Gino giant saga is an underrated, hilarious. Yo, that Gino had the worst luck, man. That boy broke his face and messed it up for him then. And then he gets to the Giants or no, no, and then the next year he stays with the Jets.

He gets out there. He tears his ACL. Yep. And I can't remember if it was the year after that or the year after that that he got to play to one game. Yeah. Well, because Ben McAdoo, he was up. looking at Eli, he's like, what is this?

He's like, what, yo, what are we doing here? He can't play anymore. What, this has got to end. So he puts Gino in. And then, yeah, looking back, we made a lot of fun of Ben McAdoo. But he's the last coach to, like, win 10 games and have them look like a real football team. And maybe he was right about Gino Smith. He was certainly right about it being the end for Eli Manning at that point.

Yes. That's what he was certainly right about. They gave Eli back the job for like two more years. Eli got to keep that job long enough to where it was very similar to the James thing to stick around long enough to go for the 30-30. Because if I'm not mistaken, Eli stuck around just long enough to be 50-fitty. Yes, yes. So the first year I covered, the first year I moved to New York was Eli's last year.

And I was doing split time covering Giants and Jets. Bro. First of all, I was sitting up in a press box and MetLife every Sunday. day. I was like, yo, did I make a mistake? Like, is this really what I want to do in my life? Like, watch these crappy Jets games and Giants games? But dude, like they would, like, they didn't get anything done. And I'm sitting there like, yo, like, how long are we going to see here and have to watch Eli play? But, you know, when you got the ear of the owner and John Marr, like, that's, you know, for all the NFL owners, he's pretty sentimental about some of this stuff, you know? Like, you go back

to even Hard Knocks last year. He's like, I like watching Seekuan Barclay as a John. Can we keep Sequin Barclay with the Giants? Because I like watching him in my jersey. And they fumbled it. So, you know, he's down to let things play out. I think that's why those guys still have jobs right now. But it, like, the leash that Eli got at the end, it just had to end. But, hey, that one second in Gino, you're right.

That's probably why they would never pick Shador number three overall. Because they don't do that over there. They just don't do that. And by the way, Eli Manning, who kept his job until they, they gave it to Daniel Jones. Yes. Career, his teams with him starting,

career record, 117 and 117. Hero. That's Eli. That's Eli right there for you. I was so glad they did not put him in the Hall of Fame on this first vote. Me too. Because it's coming. I know it's going to happen.

It is preposterous. I don't care how many Super Bowl MVP's he has. It is ridiculous, the idea that he is going to go. into the Hall of Fame. Yeah. And it's funny because I went to college with a bunch of guys from New Jersey on the football team.

And they would be like, one of the first things they would ask you is like, yeah, you think Eli Manning is a Hall of Famer? I'd be like, no. Like, why would I think something like that? And they would get mad, like, really, really mad at the idea that people didn't think Eli Manning wasn't like one of the best quarterbacks they had ever seen. I'm like, dude, what are you watching that shows? It's two playoff runs, two.

What, is Joe Flackwell Hall of Famer? Is that what we're doing here? Is damn it the same thing? Do you know how many playoff games? The Giants won outside of those Super Bowl seasons? I think it's zero. Zero. Yeah.

Not a single one. First problem. First, yeah. And I was thinking, do you think he'll be first ballot? I'm like, oh, wow, that's what we're doing, huh? The first. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

He's in. He's in. I mean, he's going to get in. But I tell you, it could be a long time. Yeah. Getting in the Hall of Fame is hard, man. It is hard. It is hard. It's just, look, it's 11 dudes on the side. You know what I'm saying? There's always a bunch of dudes that are going to be eligible for the time period. But, mm, okay, let me stop being mean. Like, Tori Holt still ain't in the Hall of Fame, you know? Right. Right. Come on, we can't put Eli. I meant in before Tori Hold. No, no, no, I don't. No, no, we can't. We can't. I don't get. I don't get. I'm going to be starting on how Jason Whitney ain't no Hall of Fame either. But on Shudor The report came out

The Shadua was not going to throw at the combine Is Camboar throwing? It sounds like he is He's been gearing up for it I know that he has been He's been going through combine Like the Combine exercise workout drills Yeah

On his own So he's at least prepared to throw I think he will I think he should I think Shador should too because I don't really see how it could hurt you that much. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. If Cam Ward does not throw, then Shadour should go ahead and throw.

Otherwise, the Chrysler 300 is pulling up. And here comes the fathom. Like, I don't think it serves him. They're going to have him throw. Look, I get the idea that for this draft prep stuff, for all of this is really SAT prep, right? Like you're studying for the test that doesn't necessarily have so much to do with anything else. But the idea that they got all those NFL receivers at Colorado who know him and he can throw

to them, there's nothing to gain, really, from throwing at the combine, especially not if it points out the fact that the other dude throw harder than you do. Yeah. Well, see, this is where I feel myself getting old sometimes. I'm like, yo, why don't you want to come out here? I remember when Cam Newton, well, that's Cam Newton, you know. If I was Cam Newton, I would throw up a combine too, because why not? freaking can do.

I don't have done everything at the combine. I'd have been doing pull-ups. Yeah. But dude, I remember like Julio Jones ran a 40 on a broken foot. Maybe that's not a good idea. But, you know, come out here, compete, man. Why not? Oh, yeah, you are going old man here.

I know. Even when you know what the game is, you're going old man here. I'm going old man here. But back to Shador for a second. What I think is interesting about him is there's a consensus in the sense that it seems like everyone says QB2 behind Cam Ward. Where it gets tricky after that is like where people are actually ranking him in relation to all the other players on the board, right?

Because I've seen Shador ranked, I've seen Shador ranked top 10. I've seen him ranked in the 30s. The other day, on a CBS big board, I saw him rank 24th. You know, so there's no consensus really on where he slots in in relation to the other non-quarterback. talent in the draft, which makes me think, because I was, I was thinking this yesterday. I was like, ooh, no consensus. That means could be sitting in that green room for a little bit, for a little bit.

This is in for the producers of the draft. This is incredible, right? Like that piece of drama is going into this. And look, because the drafts the TV show, don't give me, people who know me know how I feel about the whole complex around the draft and how we build it. and everything else. But the bottom line is what's going to start happening is these mock drafts are going going to start coming out and Shadur is going to start slipping in them.

I don't think they're going to slip them out of the first round because now they be doing it, they be doing a Jedi Mide trick with the mock draft where they imagine trades. And so they'll have somebody come up at the back end of the first round. And he keeps Shador in that first round, but it's going to be where does Shador Sanders go? And they're going to have that camera in his face because Johnny Mansell had that happened to him. It happened to Aaron Rogers, but that wasn't contrived. We were really like, damn, ain't anybody going to take them? For real?

Oh, okay. That's going to happen here. I mean, I firmly believe that's what it's going to be. And then let's look at it. Like teams that need quarterbacks, it is not a good look that any of the top three teams who are the Titans, the Browns, and the Giants, all of whom need a quarterback. And we are not just slotting quarterbacks in for two of them. That does not say good things about these two guys.

Yeah. No, that's true. I mean, because it's not like, you know, you put Cam Ward in last year's draft. He's probably like a fringe top 10 guy, you know, but he's benefiting off of the fact that there's really no one else this year. You know, like if you're the Titans, I think you probably try to trade down first, but you could stomach it, taking him first overall. What should do are? I just, I don't know. Like, what's the Trump card here?

Like, what's the one trait where you look at you're like, I got to have that on my football team? Because, like, dude, I look at some of these Cam Ward throws. like when he's when he's creating and he's rifling something like in the back corner of the end zone like falling away I'm like okay the arm talent I get it I get it but with Shador it just seems like it has to be a little manicured you know it's got to be it's got to be put up in front of him and then you can go make those decisions what you're describing is the second round pick and look you get Jalen Hurts in the second round right somebody won a super ball with him went to too I was comparing Chador to like Andy Dalton kind of and someone was like Andy Dalton was like Andy Dalton was like Andy Dalton had a good run, man. You just have the players. So that's the thing, right? A phrase that we need to be more careful with how we use is the phrase franchise quarterback because we make any quarterback who plays for a franchise, a franchise quarterback.

And to me, there is a difference between a franchise quarterback and a starting quarterback. Yes. Right? Andy Dalton was a starting quarterback who never really had the talent to be a franchise quarterback. but they drafted him in the second round. He started right away. And when you draft somebody in the second round, what you expect to get is a starter.

In the first round, you're kind of hoping for a pro bowler, no matter what the position is. But in the second round, you're drafting a starter. Like I remember when Colin Kaepernick took the job for Alex Smith, I was like, oh, damn, that's my fault. I should have seen this coming. They took him in the second round. That's where you take a starter, right?

Shardas Sanders might be a starter, right? And there's a list of guys, Tyra Taylor, for example. It was a starting quarterback. We can go up and down through the league, but like, oh, this is a starting quarterback. The question to ask, Brock Purdy might be a starting quarterback being miscast as a franchise one. And by the way, nothing would be funnier than if Kyle Shanahan took Shudor Sanders at 11 so that they would not have to pay Brock Purdy. Can we make that happen? Can we talk that up?

I would be down for that just for the chaos. I mean, just for the content. Because you know they don't want to pay him. Look, if the Rams don't want to pay Stafford, there's got to be some apprehension about it. I also think it's funny that Kyle Shanahan is not here at the Combine. Really? No, he didn't come.

I don't know if that's, you know, I don't want to take questions about Brock Purdy. I just don't care about the Combine anymore. But interestingly, not here, not here. Yeah. By the way, you are in Indianapolis. Have you seen, you know, I was high on Anthony Riddison coming out on the potential, if nothing else,

while fully understanding the wide variance of outcome, right? The Colts now say that they are going to have an open quarterback competition with him. And look, I get it. Year three is a big deal. But they have messed this up. I don't feel like there's any other way to put this. They have completely messed this up. Because, I mean, the last year, last year when they were doing the,

we're going to put in Joe Flacco, it's like, dude, for what? What do you need to see Joe Flacco for? Like were they under the impression that they had like a Super Bowl roster or something? Well, the thing with Flacco is, and I don't think you and I had talked about this, that Cleveland run felt good, but he wasn't actually good. No, he wasn't good. He was not good. He was just better than the worst quarterback you've ever seen.

You know, that's all it was. That's all it was. It was, you know, we were playing like below average football. And that was a massive improvement. from where they were with DeShana Watson at the time. So, you know, it's funny because, like, I'm pretty sure Joe has even talked about, like, comeback player of the year. Like, what I come back from?

Yeah, I think he won it. No. Yeah, he won it over Damar Hamelin. Oh, yeah, that's just about to say over the, the, the, the, I mean, I didn't think you need to pass out the ballots. I thought we was going to rename the award after Hill. Me too. Instead, it would be too dramatic.

Like, you can't come back from an ACL tear and be the winner of the Debar Haley come back player in the year award. Because that book came, he came back. from all of it. He came. No one has ever come back from farther away. Man, I will never forget. I remember I was watching that game and I had two screens on, right?

I was playing some video games on one screen. I had the game on the other one. And I kind of zoned out for a little bit and I looked up and I see Josh Allen like crying on TV. So I rewind it and I saw the play. I was like, whoa! I was like, do you just die? Like, I called Dominique and was like,

yo, did we watch somebody die? And then what made it worse for me was that ambulance was driving slow with no lights. I was like, that's a little eerie. Like, why ain't y'all just doing it for show? Like, please understand this, man. You come pick somebody up from the stadium. You got to turn the lights all under the ambulance.

Like, you know, no, no, no. make me feel like there's a chance. It never dawned on me to hear live. Right, right. So then, you know, then, like, trying to cancel the game and stuff like that. And then I did think, like, there were some weird stuff, like, some Bengals fans that got upset about, like, how the NFL was going to schedule it because we were up at the time. I was like, bro, you just have to imagine that game never got played. I got to let it ride.

Just, just let it ride. Look, nothing's going to be perfect in the situation. We just thought we saw someone die. And you're all out here talking about playoff season. Come on now. about you. I guess we want to sprawl anyway. I was getting in trouble.

Skip was trying to make the fair point, which was they got to figure out something, but how could you even be thinking about that at a time like this? But everybody hates Skip. And so they came straight for the neck. But I want to run through these teams right fast, and I would make this argument. I'm going to run through teams that need a quarterback for the future. So some of these teams may have a quarterback, but I would say need one for the future. Right, right.

The Titans, the Browns, the Giants. and I'm going in the order of the draft. Yes. The Raiders, the Jets, the Saints. For sure. One could argue the 49ers, but neither here nor there. Kind of sort of the cults, but I don't think you can. No.

The Seahawks, they don't think they clearly don't think their quarterback of the present as their quarterback of the future. That's all I'm saying. I don't think Tampa Bay has. a quarterback of the future. I think they have the quarterback of the present and maybe a little more, but I wouldn't say they had a quarterback of the future. The Steelers,

the Vikings, well, no, they got McCarthy. They think they have the quarterback of the future. The Rams, I don't even know if they have a quarterback. Quietly, my lions, but that's a different discussion for a different day. I'll be here for that one, because I was saying that, but I would have been wrong as hell. But I was saying back in the draft, they had two first round.

picks. I was like, man, go trade up for like Anthony Richardson or something like that. Yeah, I mean, they got a quarterback of the present, right? They have a pretty high end quarterback of the present. Anyway, I ran through all those teams. And do you see any of them taking your door? You know what I mean? Like, that's where that's, that's where this is going to, look, I'm of the belief that if a quarterback is sitting there at 20, wait till 30. Wait till 35. There ain't nobody worth a damn getting it, unless it's like Lamar Jackson and there's a clear market inefficiency that has taken place. You should probably wait.

Do we treat Jalen Hertz the way we ultimately came around to treating him if he was the number 12 pick in the draft or the number 20 pick in the draft versus being like the 35th? Yeah, I don't know. I don't think it matters too much for him. You don't think it matters having the tag of the first rounder? Yeah. Well, he got to the Super Bowl so fast, you know?

Yeah, but I guess I'm saying this. I feel like a second round pick has found money. Yes. And so even getting through year two and all of that stuff, there's the noise was going to be quieter around him, I guess is what I'm saying. Well, because I also think there's like a mystique for these NFL evaluators. Like, oh, come on, these guys, they couldn't be that wrong. Like, they wouldn't let Dak Prescott slip to the fourth round. He can't be all that good.

They wouldn't let Jalen Hurts slip to the second round. He can't be all that good. So I do think there, I think there's like a mystique building aspect to that where a lot of fans, they don't know, a lot of the sport so you defer to the people who are in charge what i think makes sense but you know those guys make mistakes too all the time uh i i and i think even like going back to andy dalton as like a comparison hey man you give and jr daldon a j green and andrewith and mohammed sunoo and you can go out with some damn football games you know it's it's still it's still a team sport it's not the worst place to be give jaylottes smith a jrown barfley and the biggest offensive line in the history of mankind

You can win a Super Bowl. And by the way, while paying Jalen Hurts $50 million. Hey, Howie's good at this, man. Howie, he's kind of figured. Let us never forget that they demoted Howie for Chip Kelly. Yes. And Howie just laid low.

Howie's like, yeah, I'll be back. No, that's cool. It's cool. Howie's in the cut, just lurking, waiting for his opportunity. And I think that it's such an underrated part of this story is that with Chip for that little run that they were happy with Chip Kelly, They took Howie's power, and in many cases, the guy leaves. Howie just laid low.

And it only took like a year and a half. And he got it all back. And then it didn't take long and they won a Super Bowl. Can I turn this to something totally not football related for the second? So after the Super Bowl, I did nothing for two weeks except watch the Wire for the first time. So I've watched the first three seasons of The Wire. And now I understand all your Stringer Bell rants. Like to a T, I understand all of them because I was just like, yo, I was like, fuck this guy.

Yes. Like, like, because there are people who are like, oh, you know, he's trying to do, he's trying to like make their business more legit. I'm like, bro, he killed his cousin in jail. Like, what do you talk? He kills a man's cousin. Right. Or man's nephew.

That's right. I was like, what are we talking about here? This man's scum. He's a scum bag. I got to be honest with you, man. It warms my heart to hear you say this. and I believe that I have had a significant role in changing the way that America feels about that snake motherfucker. And the reason that I say that is when people used to talk about DeWire and Stranger, it was overwhelmingly positive about him.

Oh, yeah, he was a businessman. He wasn't really trying to be it. It was still trying to sell dope. He was just trying to find a better way to sell dope, but he still was trying to sell dope. But I don't hear that in the streets no more. I think people have finally come around to what the real is. and that scaly, ooh, I hate him like he's real. Like, you see it.

Yes, that's how I felt. I was like, I hate him like he's real. Like, he's such a loser. And even like in season three, when he's getting to like dealing with the politicians and stuff like that, he's trying to act like he's, you know, this dignified business man. He was trying to put a hit out on the state senator for taking his money and running with it. Like, bro, what do you think this is? What do you think this is?

brother said, I think it was my brother who told me this, he said he tried to watch it. And he was just like, he wanted to write down every bad decision that Stringer Bell made. And he realized that he was writing down every decision. That he could not find like the long list of terrible Stringerbell decisions. And it's somehow like, and it's, I read it an oral history underwire the Jonathan Abrams book. And it's very clear that the writers of the show see Stringer is like the tragic, like, hero of this. what he could have been, if not for the circumstances that were thrust upon him. And all I see is a sucker.

That's it. That's all I see is a sucker. And there was a time where, you know, when my buddy Dominique made that joke about Jaylor Hertz and the pretty thing or whatever and everybody got all mad, there was a time where people used to say that stuff about me with regard to string a bell that they just thought I was hating because the ladies liked him. And then they just came up and realized, no, man, he a sucks. Oh, sucker.

Yeah, he is. I mean, look, he's not the only attractive, you know, man on that show. What's the guy doing anything? He's a sucker. He's a snake. And I, like, the more I read about, like, how people viewed him, like, people viewed him as, like, someone who's, like, trying to do the right things. Like, bro, you're, you put a hit out on a, like, what, 16-year-old, Wallace, Michael B. Jordan's character? What are you guys talking about?

He's a bitch. And he's dead. There we go. Charles McDonald's saying what needs to be said out here in these streets. Check him out at Yahoo Sports where he also works with Charles Robinson, who is a different person. My brother, I appreciate it. And I got to do this because last time they got mad at me and Nate Tice, we host football 301 together. We're actually about to record an episode in a few minutes. So I'll tell me you said what's up.

But last time I came on here and I didn't promote it, I got an earful. So I got to get that out now. They don't be promoting it on here neither, so don't even let them talk to you like that. He'd be like, yeah, Nick tight show. Not from me. Not from the suits. Okay, okay. You know, they've been a little greedy, but it's cool, man.

I appreciate you. Yeah, I appreciate it, man. All right, ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on the right time. We do this three times a week. Hit the voicemail line. 3-2-3-9-6-77-67. Kind of like I hate string of bell. What's a movie of television character that you hate like they real?

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