The Right Time with Bomani Jones - College Football chaos, Sports media's gambling obsession, Deion Sanders' done? | 10.29

Episode Date: October 30, 2025

The Ringer's Joel Anderson joins Bomani Jones. First, they discuss the run of firings in college football and whether LSU made a mistake by getting rid of Brian Kelly. Later, they discuss the NBA's gambling scandal and whether sports media are equipped to cover the current crisis. Finally, they ask if Deion Sanders will remain at Colorado after this season ends. 03:30 - Did LSU make a mistake? 19:00 - Places Bo & Joel are scared of 31:50 - Sports Media & Gambling 51:40 - Is the Deion Sander experiment over? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original. My name is Beaumani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. And this is that time of week where we have a hater join us coming to us live from D.C.

Check him out on the Rangor tailgate. And please note he has a framed jersey behind him with his last name, not because he liked a player just because it says Anderson on it. Joel Anderson, what's going on? What kind of introduction is that? What do you want this podcast episode to be? What do you want to do? Look, I am identified you in the way.

What a wind up. I've identified you the way the audience knows you and recognizes you. So once I say that, they're like, oh, it's going to be Joel. No, no, no. No, people know me for, I would hope, some of my other work, you know, about Clarence Thomas, slow burn eight, you get slow burn six, the L.A. riots. The piece I wrote on Michael Sam.

Yeah, we told them about that. We told them about that when you was the fastest 10-year-old in America. See, I mean, you know, I mean, look at, I just want everybody that watches this show to see what is going on here. I'm not even. What, I gave you. Hold on. I have not said anything negative about both.

Hold on. I got attacked. I got attacked. I feel a time. I want to be clear. You seem to be taking the 10-year-old thing personally, as if the only reason I know this is not because you told us about it repeated.

Well, I mean, I just kind of felt like you just leaped over a lot of other things. I was going through a list of some of my, you know, in fact, I was going to bring up my LinkedIn and go through all my honors and achievements, and I was going to read them off here so people know that there's more to me than running fast when I was 10 years old and allegedly being a hater. And I don't think I'm a hater at all.

And I don't think people, really think that? I don't think people really believe that I'm a hated. Division one college athlete. There you go. Thank you. I appreciate that, man. Thanks.

Because if you start rattling off your achievements, that's going to give me some professional PTSD that I don't necessarily need. What? What? Professional PTSD. Oh, okay. Listen to me now, believe me later.

You under dig what I'm saying. I got you. I got you. But anyway, I mentioned you on the Wrangor Tailgate with Van Lod. Lathen and T. Frazier, both of whom, I mean, I guess TCU has a football team this year. We just don't ever talk about it, but that's better than they football teams. They got LSU in North Carolina, and you would much rather have a football team that don't

nobody really talk about. I mean, like them. Well, I mean, that's a hell of a windup. Of those three programs, mine is the only one that has recently played in the national championship game, but fair enough. This is true. And the only one to lose by 50-something points. You got to be in it to win it, though.

That's very true. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. You got to be wrong. And I mean, yeah, they are going, it is very weird how they're going through like really miserable football years at the same time. And at the same time we all got thrown together. Because, I mean, I thought North, I didn't think North Carolina would be good, but I didn't think they would be as bad as they were. Although I will say, they do seem to be better the last couple weeks.

The last couple of games are doing better. And the LSU thing, man. Like, what can we? I mean, I think that all of the. them are being ridiculous. Yeah, because you believe that Penn State should not have fired Franklin, and you believe that LSU should not have fired Brian Kelly? I think that the odds are at some point in the next five to ten years that one of those

guys would figure it out, if not both of them, that they would get eventually... Right fast, how do you define figure it out? Well, they would win a championship. National championship. A national championship, yeah. I think that one of them would... Just because, you know, some years, things don't break your way. You have fumbles or whatever, but then one year, you know, Ohio's to...

were placing a quarterback, or they lose a bunch of guys to injury, or Ryan Day decides he wants to be the coach of the New York Giants. Things like that happen, and eventually they would be in position to seize on that. Because, I mean, I just, I wonder if Brian Kelly had another because, unless you should be used to eight and four. That's the thing I think of that, acting like they're too good to go eight and four. They acting like they're too good to go eight and four, and that is really the story of their program, but for the exceptional few. seasons, right? Right.

That is correct. But let me ask you a question on that front, right? Because I agree with you on that, that they are, LSU is plus or minus nine, maybe nine and a half. Like that's where the line pretty much gets set in most years, right? But if you settle for plus or minus nine, will you not always be plus or minus nine? I feel like at some point you have to show a little proof of concept. Like I think the problem for Franklin and why I thought, okay, you guys had to do this.

It wasn't about the wins and losses. is which wins and which losses. And at some point, you got to win the ones that matter. So it was very interesting. Mac Brown survived losing five years in a row to Oklahoma when he was at Texas. And in an embarrassing fashion.

Right, but he was kicking A&M's teeth in along the way. And look, he was one terrible pass interference call in 2004 away from losing that job, the Kansas call, where Mark Mangino was like the fixes in. And I was like, I understand why he didn't feel that way, brother. It looks that way. But I guess for schools on that level, look, LSU has won three national championships

in the last 25 years. I get maybe why they feel that way, but at the same time with you, I feel where you're like, okay, these results are not terribly out of line, but do you not add something to the fact that don't nobody like that man? Oh, that is the whole ball game with Brian Kelly.

I have you, so did you know, I knew that he wasn't liked? Did you know that he was the most reviled man in college football? Because that is certainly what it seems to be. It has been very hard to even find former players to say, hey, thanks Brian Kelly for believing in me. Right. Hey, man.

I called a former player when he took the LSU job because, again, I was struck that he did not bring a single assistant with him. And a bunch of them stayed with that wavy-headed boy at Notre Dame, right? Which seems like a very dangerous prospect, by the way. That was a risky play. Let me say with the brother here, Notre Dame. Well, let me go to Brian Kelly,

winning coach going to LSU. Hall of Fame level coach, right? Now, look, I don't know if Brian Kelly asked any of them to come, whatever, but I asked a former player here. I was like, so is there anything that we're getting wrong here about Brian Kelly? And he said, just, no.

No. Like, he wasn't mad about it. He didn't express any disdain. Like, he seems to just not have relationships at all. Yeah. I mean, you could, you're, I was reading a, the, the, of a story from ESPN like a few years ago,

where it talked about some assistants that had worked with him at Central Michigan, and they thought they were getting invited to a party at his house, and it turned out he had them doing work. You remember, it's kind of like the Hakeem situation when he was missing the gal's house. You thought you got invited now, you got to park cars.

Yeah, right, yeah, gave him a little coat. And they were just like, and I learned through that experience that if I ever got in that position, I would never treat somebody that way. And I was like, this is a quote, too, in a story. I believe there was a name attached to, That was a name attached to it.

It's like, yo, people do not have any problem going off on that dude. And yeah, I mean, he clearly... The two people involved you were referencing are Matt Wafler and Robert Sala, and they were on the record. Robert Sala. Ryan rarely jumps in on the two-man episodes and had to jump in because LSU fan has run through all of these things. They had to look, this is why his ass ain't here no more. That's what he is. Like Brian Kelly is like 8.

different levels of the draft day movie, but nobody came to his birthday party. Right? Like it's, it's all. And look, it is, he's not the only thing about this. As much as you think Nick Saban is a jerk, people don't talk about Nick Saban like this. No. Not even close. I mean, well, so there's two things with Nick Saban.

And I always kind of feel like people are scared of him for whatever reason. Like, they call him daddy. That you know? That's wild. Homeboy had to, his homeboy had to dis, his homeboy, Steve Sarkeesian. he's like, hey man, daddy is going to be on me if I don't do it. Like, is that kind of, was that Pete Golden? I think it was. But hey, hey, brother,

I don't care what the circumstances of situations are. Could not be me. We're going to have to come up with a different name. Oh, you're not going to call another man, Daddy? We got to draw a line somewhere, baby. We got to draw the line. We got to draw the line somewhere. Like, if you, if somebody

getting called Daddy and is not your actual daddy, that is a, that is a title that one must earn and one that Nick Saban cannot. Very sad. At least not from me. I mean, again, I mean, someday Nick Saban has to come into my house, you know, and meet my family, and I'm referring to you as daddy.

You know what I'm saying? In front of my wife and kids. I just, yeah, I just, I don't know. Maybe that's toxic masculinity or whatever, but I could put up with you. Imagine the way your woman is going to look at you when you call this man, daddy. Yes. Yes. I mean, bro, I just, so, so, but obviously something is special with him.

him, but also he's excellent. Like his, the, the, you know, it's, you know, so, you know, so we saw Brian Kelly dancing with recruits, right? And it looked goofy as hell. Right. We've seen Nick Sabin do the Cuban shuffle, and he looked like he was on beat, on time with all of it, you know? Yes.

So obviously, like, he's also just got a little swag. He carries himself different. Brian Kelly ain't got none of that, man. No. And at a place where they like their coaches to be fun in some form or fashion, like, Louisiana is not a boring place. Like, you've got to provide some measure of entertainment. But let me tell you, our last show, we talked about the fact that it doesn't feel like any jobs are good anymore.

No. Right? Like, there's no, the pressure at every job is now professional caliber pressure. And you're looking at a three, four, five years sort of schedule. Because, again, we've talked about this before. It is entirely possible that Auburn is going to come open as a job. Like, that one is still on the board as one that could come out there. Florida State.

I don't think any of us think it's possible that they don't make a move. I think North Carolina has no choice. Yeah, they can't let that go on. But to make a move. Because why has anybody come? Like, how much money would you have to pay to get somebody to sign up for whatever the fuck it is that they over there doing? Virginia Tech, we forget, Virginia Tech is still on the board.

Like, that job came open. There was another job that came open like that same week. Yeah. UCLA. Still out there. Arkansas. Well, I think Arkansas is going to do the hilarious thing with that job. I mean, I actually.

kind of can't blame him. No, because who else are you going to get? And who else are you going to get? Yeah, and he wants to be there. He's not a bad coach. No. He didn't get fired because he was bad. No, he was the best coach they've had says Frank Broils.

Yeah, man. Yeah. So it's just like I kind of can see why they might just want to be. We can sit this out. We got somebody that already knows how we like things here. And we ain't got to pay them that much because there is no competition to hire him. Uh-uh. That's right.

It's just you. We know what the market is for you right now. But think about this. He has people who go with him to different jobs and Brian Kelly doesn't. Bobby Petrino is who we're talking about. For those of you who don't know, there are people who are loyal to Bobby Petrino

and nobody is loyal to Brian Kelly. I have played for guys that people hated. You know what I mean? Like just no, and I've just never seen people talk about a person in the way that Brian Kelly has been talked about. But I wonder, I mean, the thing is, he's still a good football coach.

I think he'll get one of these jobs. I think it's possible. Is it a job that he's willing to take? Because he's 64 years old. Well, that's a good thing. So, like, listen, what if I give you one of these two jobs, Michigan State or Wisconsin? If one of those come up and they hired him, that's not a bad hire for them, is it? It's not a bad hire for them.

I don't, so I don't think it's a great hire for Wisconsin because I don't think you can run the kind of offense Brian Kelly wants to run and be successful at Wisconsin. Like, I think Wisconsin, we just going to line up and mash you out. Like, that's what they do. Michigan State, maybe the, the, thing is. All right. He has grown accustomed to a lifestyle, shall we say, as it relates to coaching.

And I'm not talking about the money, just the places he's been. Golfing. I think it is a giant, but no, but I just think it's a giant step down from what is possible at Notre Dame and at LSU to Michigan State and Wisconsin. I think that, Michigan State in particular, I think that is a huge drop from what, like, getting used to a job where, look, they mad at you for eight and four at LSU. They'll be fairly happy with you for nine and three at Michigan State. And I don't think he wants to live that life again.

I hear, see, to me, that sounds like a good job. Because when you were talking about this, I was like, you said, are there any good jobs? You know what sounds like a good job? Ole Miss. But I don't think Ole Miss is a good job anymore. I think Lane is blown the box. You think he's blowing it up now? I mean, they'd be going to Sugar Bowls, right?

Like, they've been going to these levels of games. they are probably going to finish in the top 10 this year. Yeah. I don't, I don't, I think that used to, so we talked about this. I don't think even Kentucky is what Kentucky used to be, where if you can go seven, eight wins every year and just don't embarrass them, everything, and you'll make your money and everything will be okay. I don't think, I don't think it's like that anymore.

Like, I'm curious if you still think that that's something that people will be able to pull off in the Big Ten and the SEC. I think that. put it like this. You can't go back to nine wins a year at Clemson anymore, for example. You know what I mean? So the thing is, is will fans ever catch up with the reality of modern college football, right? Like, will they be able to say, you know what, this is a lot more like the NFL.

They're playing a lot more competitive conference games. You can take a couple losses and shoot, man, rosters aren't as deep as they used to be. So if you get a few injuries, it can really take you out of the running. Right. So if fans can kind of come to that understanding, like, would they be like, man, just because the chief's loss, it doesn't mean they're sorry, right? Or they didn't, you know, one year the Bengals don't make the playoffs

and people like, oh, that's horrible, you know. People have sort of understanding that things are going to happen on a year-to-year basis. But as long as you're consistently good and consistently contending, people will understand. But what do you call contending consistently? Just being able to make the playoffs and have an outside shot at the championship. Okay, so you're saying, and I'm assuming that when you say that, you mean for, like, a certain echelon of program.

Right. Like, so that's the LSU should be able to accept eight and four every nine again, is what I'm saying. Every now and again, yes. How often should, how often should they win 11? Because Brian Kelly won 10 twice. In a 10 year span? Four. Four years.

11. Four out of 10 at 11? Yeah. I feel like you have undercut. your argument because that feels like a lot of 11s. I mean, man, because I mean, you're going to get weak schedules sometimes. So that would be 11 and 1. Maybe I should say 10.

Yeah, keep in mind, they got to play Alabama every year. That's right. They got to play Alabama every year. Now you're, I mean, Ole Misses. And Tex A&M every year. Tough, yeah. So, yeah, okay. Maybe I'll go back to 10.

Maybe I go 10 wins every 3 to 4. And by the way, the 10 will be a 10 and 2. I think we need to specify. 10 and 2. So you got to accept that you're going to lose a couple games, right? But you know what, Bo, what I was going to say, the piece that you know what has blown all this up and makes people unreasonable. Kurtzignetti and Clark Lee. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. I think Kurtzignetti even more than Clark Lee.

Oh, yeah, man, dog, Kentucky's looking at Indiana and they're like, what, they're right there. What are you doing this? With the James Madison All-Star, I know I've talked about this many times on this show, but it's a bunch of guys he brought, like when Dion went to Colorado and said he was bringing his luggage and it was Louis. He rolled up with duffel bags Don't, he just would have... Still flossed. I mean, and they look great. They look great. I don't know what happened.

They put Indiana uniforms on and all of a sudden they became Oregon, you know? And so I'm sure Kentucky is like, they don't even have boys in that state. You know what I'm saying? They don't even got... Where are they getting these people from, you know? And so I'm sure that they're looking at that

and probably to a less extent to you say, like Clark Lee in Vanderbilt, and Vanderbilt's bully in L.S. you know what I'm saying? Well, hold on. Think about this. James Franklin won some games at Vanderbilt. Like I want to say he got some wins over Georgia,

but it was like, I mean, I guess this is down as LSU, but it was like kind of down Georgia. But James Franklin parlayed that into this Penn State job with a couple of seasons in the top 25. And by the way, deserve. Well done. Vanderbiltz so hard. Yeah.

Hardly could not have done this without what Franklin had done prior to kind of legitimize the place. Absolutely. But I'm saying. if what James Franklin did at Vanderbilt could get you Penn State, what exactly can Clark Lee get out of doing this at Vanderbilt? Because I don't hear his name being talked about, like, as a guy to go to LSU. Right.

I mean, because he's home. Vanderbilt is home for him. So, yeah, I know. I know because Jonathan Smith. So I bet Jonathan Smith, so this is what these guys need to be thinking about. Jonathan Smith, they loved him in Oregon State, man. Yes. But to be fair, they didn't have a, they ain't got a comfort for us.

Like the whole Oregon State became a completely different job. Yeah, right. And when he left, that's right. He had to go somewhere. But I wonder if they just don't think they can dislodge Clark. But, I mean, the thing is, you're going to have to, if that's the guy you want, you have to make him say no. Because, I mean, the reality of Vanderbilt is that it's not, he's not going to be able to do this year over year over year. Right?

Like that is, it's. Well, well, hold on. Let me ask you a question on that. clearly Indiana thinks that you can do it year over year there because they're paying that coach like you can. Right. Right. And I'll be honest with you.

I thought that this new world order would lead to Indiana just being a feeder for other programs. Right. Like Michael Pinnock's going to Washington after having been in Indiana. I thought that that's what it was going to be. I guess it never dawned on me that they could ever be a 10-11 win program. But they look like they're going to be buyers. Yeah, man.

I mean, I've never been to Bloom. Have you been to Bloomington? I've heard it's nice. They were good at basketball once. I mean, that's, that's, if you, let me tell you something, man, there ain't that many states that truly worry me. Man, and I don't, I don't know,

I don't know if you've done any, like driving through Indiana, like the Indiana that ain't got no dots. Oh, well, yeah. Did not like it. Are you talking about, like, Hammond? No, that's Illinois. Not as Indiana, you're right. No, no, I'm talking about Southern Indiana.

I have been to Hammond. And I will say about Hammond, the project got white people in it. And that is... You're right. But, yeah, Hammond, Indiana, which is close to Chicago. That's why I said Illinois. But I'm talking about down south Illinois.

Oh, yeah, that Bloomington stuff and all that. I don't know where exactly it is. I'm just telling you, I done a lot of driving, man. I've done the east of Kentucky. I've done all the deep south. I've done all the west. I've done all I've done all I 40. Indiana felt a little different.

Really? Man, I'm trying to think... Yeah, it felt a little different. I could see that. I'm trying to remember what state felt like that for me. Maybe the South Georgia actually kind of felt like that to me a little bit. Yeah, yeah. South Georgia is a little worsome.

But yeah, I've done all the way across Kentucky from like Louisville going back to North Carolina. So Kentucky with a little dovey-a thrown in there. Okay. Yeah, that's a right. I do remember I went to get some gas in eastern Kentucky, and that was the most transactional encounter I've ever had in the South. Really? Yeah, it felt like going to the bodega up north.

Boom, boom, go. Get out of here? He ain't have nothing to say to me. I ain't have nothing to say to him. Man, that's crazy. You know, it's funny about those areas because Florida, low-key, got a lot of those spots. Like, just even within the Tampa Bay area, they used to, oh, man, I'll never forget. I used to have to work Sundays in Pascoe County.

Pascoe County has, I'm trying to think with the Lando Lakes would be one of the cities there. So I don't know if that, or Dade City. Dave City is a Pascoe. That's where Pinnis is from, right? So there's one side of the county that is very rural and another part that's very suburban and kind of close to the water. So one day I get a call, they say,

oh, man, there's been a shooting over on Teak Street in Newport, Ritchie. And so I look at this, you know, I'm looking at up to sea. And I see in the archives, Teak Street Nazi compound. Like, I told my, I told my, I told the editor, I was like, bro, I'm sorry. It was the only time I've ever been like, nah, I'm not doing it.

Because they had killed, the reason it was famous because they had killed a black dude who was over there to see some girl that he was trying to visit. And I was like, bro, I just, I can't do it, man. So there's some spots even within, like, Tampa that are kind of like, I don't know. Y'all want to be over there, man. Well, that's the thing about playing college football that the young boys don't necessarily know to inquire about is, like, know your surroundings because you could be signing up for like campus is super dope wherever campus may be but it's a few like Penn State is one of those where it's like yeah

I don't what we're going to do out of here I don't think I would do that yeah pencil I mean we say pencil tuckie I don't think I would do that like that's that's they they they clearly get players and they spent the money and they got the dudes there and like Philly guys still want to go there and that you know and that still produces a decent number of people and you can get New Jersey guys and all of that. But that feels a lot like College Station East. And, by the way, Collis Station is just whack. College Station is not, like,

Colorado Station does not scare me. Doesn't scare you, right. No, it doesn't have that. It's just College Station. Well, yeah, so, college station is funny because, yeah, like when you grow up in Houston, if you have never been up there, you assume that it's kind of close.

I thought it was just more black than it was up there than it actually is. And yeah, it's an event. kind of rural area, but you know what A&M got, man? They got them. A&M got them, man. A&M got them, bro. Shout out to the Southwest Black Leadership Conference

they used to have down there every fall. It sounds like they was there for the conference. There was other stuff. I can't just say what it is. I don't remember what it is. But it was not, I could kind of understand going there and being like, well, I took my wife through there once, Janay. and she said it looked like a farm and an office complex.

And I'll say, yeah, I was, okay. I mean, Texas ain't got a zillion people. So they got something, but I'm not. It can be fun there. I don't. I'm nodding. It could be fun there. The Penn State thing to me is more, because I'm like, okay,

we don't have any proof of concept that brothers actually will choose Penn State without some exceptional circumstances. Joe Paterno was a whole different time, and they were taking brothers way before them schools in the Southwurst. So they had access to talent that a lot of other people didn't have, and Joe Paterno promoted a certain kind of a culture

that could have been welcoming to the brothers that wanted to play there. All right, he goes away. They get Bill O'Brien for a couple years. Then you get James Franklin, who's a really charismatic brother who can recruit the DMV pretty well, like this is his area, getting up and down here.

I mean, can Matt Rule, get the same kind of brother that want to come now now? I mean, but they, but so this raises the question, which is, these are the things that have mattered forever. Mm-hmm. And how much do they matter now that we're talking about paying people? Yeah, man. Well.

Because I, because I mean, I think at some point, though, that there's got to be some, like, the market for players can't have but so much variance at a certain level. Like, these things on the margins, I feel like still have to matter, um, to a degree, especially if you're dealing with the kids that come from me, which is a lot more players than at least it feels like a lot more players than it used to be. So some of our like adages about coming out of poverty,

that don't seem to apply nearly as much as they used to to these players. Fair point. But I mean, no, but I do think you raise a fair question. Now, can Matt Rue will do it? But to be fair, man, brother's been signed up to play for white boys forever. Like, that's not a new situation. I mean, that's true. That's true.

But they ain't signed up to play for every white boy at every place. No. You got to be? No. Old Miss, it was until very recently the people were like, all right. I still can't believe they do it. Yeah, right. Because we come from time where you could turn on TV and they just have them flags

blowing in the wind in the stands, man. Yeah. Like even Tommy Tuberville had to be like, could y'all stop doing that? Yes. Y'all are making my job hard. Please stop doing that. You're scaring the bros. Yeah, man.

You're scaring the bros. You're scaring the bros. But, I mean, Ole Miss has changed. And you actually made a really good point because I think about a lot of how the demographics have changed and sort of like the cultural reality for elite football players has changed because it ain't like the old days, man, where your five-star stayed at Yates.

They were Yates for all four years or whatever. Like, dumb kid, Bobby Taylor had a kid. Bobby Taylor, who played college ball at Notre Dame and played for the Eagles in the league. Played for the Eagles, six-foot-four corner. He went, his, kid went to a school inside of the city limits, Houston Heights, and then he finished it, Katie. And I was just thinking about like, oh, that's the kind of stuff that happens now.

Like the kids- Because we didn't, that was a, that's a very Florida thing that really wasn't happening in Texas before. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. Kids will move out or playing out in Allen or, you know, one of them, you know, we see brothers playing for Westlake and Lake Travis and stuff like that now. Stuff that just did not, usually those schools did not have those kind of athletes.

Those alums of those schools were those who don't know Westlake, Drew Brees High School, Lake Travis, Baker Mayfield High School, Baker Reagan Mayfield, just so you understand the point of we're making here. That's right. That's right. So it was kind of, so, you know, these kids are sort of operating. You're right on that point. They're they operate in a different reality. They have a very different relationship with community than we used to have. It used to matter when, for example, in Missouri, the reason they had problems for so long getting brothers there is that they had black, black, media radio radio DJs in St. Louis that actively discouraged their top black athletes from going to Missouri. They would show up at your house and be like, I can't tell you where to go, but I wouldn't send

my kid there. And Missouri had a real difficult time tapping into that kind of talent because people would just that, they had just that kind of resistance. But I don't even know that that kind of community exist anymore anywhere. Like I don't even know who would be the voice that people would listen to that would say, you may not want to go to Florida.

I mean, you know, that's not a that's a place that's that's sort of hostile to you. Yeah, it is much, it feels much more transactional now. We don't have that much proof of concept on this, obviously. It's a new world that we're in. But yeah, the question is how much exactly how much of those little things matter.

Like 40 was on here talking the other day and he's right that spending money on facilities is a bad play these days because it may sense to spend money on facilities when you couldn't give the money directly to the players. Now that feels like a bad use of money. But at the same time, one would think the facility

should matter, but something to consider. And I say this as we go into the break. When these coaches take these jobs, they don't go, they don't set foot on campus. Right. Like if a coach has never been to a university, there's no time for, well, I'm going to take a tour, let my wife go around and check out the schools. There's no time for that. These guys are deciding to go to places they've literally never been, often with, like the facilities they've never seen. Well, Bo, you know what? actually interesting, I'm hearing that a lot, too, about transfers now, too. Yeah, like people that go and transfer portals, if they've already been through the recruiting process,

they'll pick a school not even had been on campus there, which I'm like, that's shocking to me. I don't know that I could do that. But if you pick a place that you are, if you go to a place, you already took an official. Yeah. Okay, I see that. Or there's a coach there that you like. But yeah, to me, the idea of going to these places, especially when you have options is wild. But what else are they supposed to do?

Yeah, man. They just don't like, I always think coaches get a bad rap. on the way that they leave these schools. There's no good way to do it. It's not possible. You don't, hey, kids, just giving you a heads up. I might be out of here. But then you can't come back.

Right, right. Like, there is no coach transfer portal and everybody understands that you're just doing what you can't. Like, it's not an option. These moves have to be made very, very quickly. And like the next day, you've got to start recruiting. You just put on a whole new hat. Right.

And you become an entirely different person. Absolutely. Yeah, it's just tough, man. You're right. I, look, I'm not a coach apologist, but I do, I think it's just kind of like we've just done. I think people do have to kind of understand the reality of coaches has changed a lot now, man. Like, this is a very difficult job. And even if you've excelled at it in the previous decade, there was some evidence. And Nick Sabin wasn't quite acclimating to the new era as much as he liked, right? Like, those last couple of Alabama teams weren't as good as the ones of earlier vintage. So it's, people are going to need time to, figure it out. And because of all these shifting dynamics, you know, I mean, a lot of people clearly going to get fired until we finally settle into this, though. All right. We got some media talk coming up next. Football is back and so is your shot at big wins. With Draft Kings pick six, the official daily fantasy partner of the NFL, your game day instincts can score you real money fast. Here's the play. Just pick more or less on two or more player stats, from breakout rookies to elite QBs and unlock the upside every snap brings. The better your calls, the bigger your

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that expire in 14 days. When a time offer, see terms at pick six dot draftings.com slash promos. All right. So I talk about hating as Joel doing the Rangor Tailgate podcast, but he also does another podcast where Brian Curtis called The Press Box, where he makes faces just like the one that he made because they be spitting truth on there. Like, I just spit truth.

No. So the truth be making those strutches face up so times. Again, I mean, people didn't know me know that I love my. Nobody will ever say I don't love my people. Oh, so I'm not your people. Well, I'm just saying, you don't want to came on here treating me like this. What do you mean, treat you like this? I mean, people rewind the tape.

You can go, it's on YouTube. Just go back and you can see how both welcome me on to the show. It's fine. You still my brother, dog. I love you, dog. It's okay. I'm tough. I have a thick skin.

No, you don't. I don't. But the press box. you guys talk about media issues and something I've seen an awful announcing brooch, and I think you guys got into it a little bit on your pie, but I do think is interesting is that

the stick to sports people won. Right? Like, we really do just kind of sticking ball discusses. They even find that a lot of my content moved more in that direction, but it's in part because it did feel in a way like much of the audience wanted

to move kind of back in that direction. And I do think that if you look at nine, ten years ago, the topics that are kind of running the game, we don't have a colleague Kaepernick right now, right? Like we don't have, there is no, there's no like Joe Paterno, Penn State scandal of the likes. And I don't, or maybe these things are happening.

We just don't talk about it. I don't have the greatest answer exactly for that. But this gambling story is one that felt like it would have been wall-to-wall coverage all over the place with a zillion different angles on how to explore it. With lots of lawyers, some who are still lawyers, some who are lawyers that were turning sports bloggers, but giving their read on the paperwork and everything else. And it feels like sports media has actually somehow gotten less interesting and less adept

in the course of the last 10 years to tackle things where I felt like we were in a golden age 10 years ago to give you everything you needed on a story like this. And it doesn't feel like we're equipped to do that anymore, especially not on television. Well, I mean, and we can get to television, but just think about how much sports media has been hollowed out just in the last few years from like the regional sports networks. ESPN has cut back a lot. Like, they really don't have it. I mean, how much do you think they've reduced their workforce in the last five to six years? I mean, it's a lot of people.

That's a lot less programming and people over there. True. Deadspin is not what it was. Sports Illustrated, not what it was. ESPN, the magazine don't exist no more. So you're looking for all this stuff, the kind of deeply reported, well-thought-out work that we were enjoying 10, 12 years ago. I mean, either people didn't support it or just went bankrupt and went away, didn't develop enough of an audience. So, and here we are.

Because where are you getting your news from now? That's a good question. Like, I just felt like I get it. You know, I couldn't give you a great answer. But the thing is, this is the story where people need it, man. Like, first of all, it is interesting to think that this would have been a much bigger scandal as recently as 10 years ago, certainly 30 years ago. I mean, I mean, Chauncey Phillips, man, he's the NBA Hall of Famer. It's the NBA Hall of Famer and current head coach.

Possibly, allegedly, maybe tipped off people about, hey, man, I'm going to sit some people for this guy. I mean, that is crazy. Isn't that more outrageous than when Pete Rose did, was accused of doing? Well, no, Pete Rose was, okay, so here's the difference. Okay. Pete Rose was making similar calls to receive information and then rather than give it to other people was using it on his own, which I think is fair to say was actually more outrageous than, you know, like he was actually placing the bets as opposed to like perhaps looking out to somebody. That's fair. But it was like he was betting on himself, though.

I mean, the thing about Pete Rose never bet against himself. There was that. He was bent other things, too. The key was that he never bet against himself. Never bet against himself. That's right. So that's kind of, maybe that's what the way I come from it, as opposed to being like, well, we might, I might be the reason that we lose tonight.

Right. That's how you can make some money on it, allegedly. But yeah, I mean, that is a huge, I mean, Pete Rose held down sports media for so long. Like, we've pretended to really care about gambling and its implications and what it could do for people's reputations and everything else for 30 years of my life. Oh, I think people cared then. I don't think that that was phony.

Oh, I think people cared then, too. I think, I think, and I'll tell you this, I took a job in 2009. This is when I took the job with the score during the morning Jones. And my boss at the time, Mike Gentile, you've been a radio producer. And he was like, look, you have a slow day to this day. And this is, he says, to this day, you have a slow day? Ask if Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame. And hold on, keep in mind that he was in Canada.

I mean, man. It wasn't even the United States. Yeah. Right? Like, it was still a go. But I think that there's a lot of depth to this that I don't, it's wild to think that we're not even necessarily that qualified to get into it. Even though we got all these people who engage in gambling.

But the problem is, like, I don't know if you saw where Charles Barkley was talking about it, where he was like, these guys are just stupid. And what Charles sounded like was a drunk who has disqualified. Dane for alcoholics because they're bad for the brand. Right. So I think that's the thing is that I can't relate to and I assume you can't. I don't have that kind of vice. Right. So I don't, it doesn't hit me. And I, we're talking about this a little earlier. So I got a call from a sports book the other day, a sports book that I used for work sometimes just to give some, just it was like an informational thing, not to gamble or

whatever, put money on stuff. And they called me and I'm thinking, oh, this is about something related to my work. And they're like, we noticed that you had opened your account and you haven't used it yet. You haven't fully set it up yet. Do you need any help with that or is there any reason you hadn't done that? And I'm like, you all are checking on me like that for real? Like, I mean, that was

it was crazy. They wanted, they were so insistent on the idea that I should be gambling. I opened this account. I should be putting some money on something. I should be doing some games. I'm like, man, if they'll chase you down and you're weak like that, if you have the, not weak, I shouldn't say that. But if you have No, hold on, hold on.

it's okay, I think, to say weak. Like, I'm saying, if you're weak, I'm saying, yeah, I know, but I'm saying, but I'm saying, but I mean, strong, strong has to have an opposite, right? Yeah, yeah. And in, in this particular way, people have weaknesses, right? Like, I don't think, maybe it's impossible to separate weak from a larger connotation. But if this is, calling it a vice and calling it a weakness are not different things. You know what I mean?

And so if you're shaky in this regard. then you're going to shake. You're going to shake. Okay. Well, I guess the way I'm trying to think of it is that like, you know, everybody has their, you know, that's me and sugar. You know what I mean? Right. Same.

Yeah. So, but yeah. But, okay, we can, we can say that it's a weakness then. But, but I mean, just imagine that, like, you're trying to stay away from that stuff. Right. And you can't get, you can't get away. They are so pressed to find more customers and to expand that they will call you. So what I thought was wild about that when you said it was,

I'm thinking strategically on their front, them calling to get you to set it up, that feel like a setup. You understand what I'm saying? Right? Like, like, this sounds like something I don't need to be doing. If you'd have pressed about getting me into this, this sound like something I don't need to be doing.

It seems like them phone, like, do you need any help setting up the account? Like, I can read. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Like, I know how to fill out a form. I feel like you trying to get me. Like, this is how I know. They tell me, hey, why don't you just come down the aisle?

Like, in an alley and goodfellas. Just go down there and they'll take care of you. Just go down there. Like, no, no, no, you're a little too pressed about getting me to go down that alley. I ain't going to do that. But if I had already started, now is the time for you to call me. Like, now that I don't hit this rock. Yeah.

Now there's a chance that you might be able to get me going on something. Yeah, I mean, that's right. I don't know what they thought was going to have. happen here. But yeah, I mean, because I, yeah, clearly I wasn't inclined to get involved to this. But maybe they thought that I was involved with another sports book or had another, maybe they were concerned that I was, you know, giving my money away to somebody else. But it's kind of, this is kind of my theory about life and gambling is very different. Man, if you got to tell me how good it is, you got to pitch it to me like that, I'm just

going to be a little bit concerned about why doesn't this sell itself? I don't understand. Yeah, but I mean, you can, no, they just need you to give it a try because because of everything that you got to get past, you know what I mean? It's, they like, should I make this comparison? Well, all I'm saying is sometimes the approach is to try to get people to understand that societal norms are not necessarily to be all-end-all, you know what I'm saying? And sometimes you got to do what you want to do.

Like, you know, like, come on. Ain't anybody going to look at you no different tomorrow, right? Like, come on. No, no, no, no. And ain't nobody, you're paying attention to you like that. I ain't going to say nothing to my friends. Yeah. You know, like this is.

We don't, yeah, I mean, that is very true. They're like, hey, man, anybody going to say, man, nobody paying attention to you. Right now is the thought that's like, you're just, you're sort of anonymous to the world, right? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

No, that's right. That's right. man, and I guess I have a daughter too, but I mean, of the two that's more likely to develop an addiction to gambling, obviously it's avoid. And I'm like, how do you avoid that when you hear so many stories about kids having sports books open on their phone at school or they're just hanging? I'm just like the idea of casually gambling in college. Like, that just seemed like a grown man thing to do. Yo, or at very least a white man thing to do. I was amazed to find out how many people gambled on sports.

Like, I don't feel like that was a thing when I got my comment. I didn't feel like cocaine was really a thing. And I didn't feel like sports. I didn't know these two things was out here. Then I started kicking it with white boys and it was a whole other world. I definitely thought Gailin was a white boy thing. But that's not the case anymore.

And you notice, man, they pushing hard on black people platforms. Like Joe Button doing prize picks commercials, for example. I know, man. It's talk. I mean, I guess they did it with me too. I mean, I guess this counts in the same way. I mean, they're getting this man. I would, look, but I mean, it reminds me. It was funny.

I don't know why I looked up Joe Ken, Joe, cool or Joe Camel the other day. Oh, I got about Joe Campbell. I was thinking about, I was like, what made people come up with Joe Camel? And Joe Camel was an invention of 1988. Like, I've thought it was... Really? Yeah. I'm thinking this

was a... It went back to the 50s and 60s or whatever. And you know, for people that don't know Joe Camel, I mean, it was like just a very cartoon Camel... For Camel's cigarettes. For Camel cigarettes. And, like, they would dress him up. Like, he had it all

bunch of different outfits. Sometimes he'd be looking like Billy D. Williams at a piano. Sometimes he looked like James Dean or a motorcycle. It was stuff like that. And so they were trying to sell the image of it as cool to a younger generation and a more urban, a clientele. And I'm just like, oh, is this what gambling is now? Like, is it just kind of become a theme where it's like, all right, well, you see Jamie Fox and all these other people talking Joe Budden talking about, you know, I'm putting some money on Jalen Brunson or whatever? And it's like, I guess like the stigma of that or the idea that this is a world that will welcome you in and you can get in and gamble like the white boys. And also, let me tell you this about camel cigarettes. There's a good chance. If you meet a

woman and she got a boss of camel cigarettes on the bar, that's also a jack and coke in that glass. Have you known a woman that smoked camel cigarette? Yes, I have. She was also, she was a jack and coke drinker too. I'm just like, I'm just telling you. Like there's certain things that go together. Man. But, no, but that is, the gambling, I had lost track of how many of these places

they give you free money to start playing. Because they know that once you get you in, they'll, you'll do a little bit more. Have you tried? Have you done any of this at all? Sports gap, no, no, no. I don't, I think it is, there's something about to me that doing this job

makes me feel like that's something I should not do. Okay. On top of that, I understand the type of ego that I have, and this feels like something I should be able to outsmart, which is what everybody thinks about this. And then, by the way, once you start winning, they stop letting you play. But wait, so, I mean, you know, Nick is, I mean, like you said, about his well-versed in this, and I mean, he does high stakes,

poker games, all that good stuff. So that didn't influence you at all thinking, like, you know, because there's a part of you that things. No, no, no, please understand this. Those gamblers know a lot about the game too. And I'm just like, I wonder if it would help me to know a lot about the game. Now, that is a fair point. I talked to guys who play in the business and that is their rationale for doing this.

But please understand, hanging out with Nick on a Sunday afternoon watching football is not a commercial for gambling. It is much more a commercial for the 800 number than it is something that makes you think that this is something that you should engage in. No, no, no, no, no. Nothing about watching Nick on Sunday makes gambling look attractive. Fair point. Like, you know, it's very similar to the example I make. It feels a lot like watching uncut gyms. Well, you know, Van gives the example.

I'm sure he told the door here, too, about, like, he asked one of his uncles or somebody, why you do crack. And he's like, I'm looking at y'all like, why y'all didn't. You know, why y'all ain't do it. Yeah. It's like, I get it. So my thing is about gambling and sport. I don't need to care about sports like that.

Like, I felt like competition is. I don't need fantasy football the competition alone, the pageantry, the opportunity to sit down and enjoy it. I don't need that, I don't, and I don't want to be emotionally invested

in a game like that. Well, what it makes you, what it helps with is caring about the games that you don't care about. Right. Right.

And like to me, I feel like if I need to make myself care about this, therefore I put some money on it. Have you thought about curling up with a good book? or perhaps some other activity. Just throwing it out there.

I mean, the other, what was it the other week? I told you I was watching Sam Houston State versus Utah. Yeah, I thought you definitely had money on the guy. And you thought you were like, you can think there was any possible way. I said, no, man, I just want to watch football. And I don't need no money to put, you know, do a prop bit to make myself enjoy it. And I mean, again, I'm grateful for that. I understand if you don't feel that way, then, you know, hey man, go with God.

but I mean, they are praying up on people's vices and introducing them to things and making them think that they could be smarter than they are. And I also kind of think that just because of like the way the economy is and the job market, I wonder how many people and I'm not probably, I wonder how many people think that they can make money to actually. Yo, that's the thing about it is that if you're doing it for fun,

that's one thing. But if your plan is I'm about to hit for this lick, that's not. It's not really how this works, brother. I mean, there's a reason they're sponsored everything now. You know what I mean? Like all them people, you know? Hey man, they just like, look, it really is like rock.

They just like, look, man, we can get you to hit that rock one time, baby. All we need you do, hit that rock one time, right? And then after that, after that, the rock going to take care of it. Right. You understand what I'm saying? After you hit that rock one time. Yeah, the rock, the rock sell itself, you know? Like, I think I told you once, one of my guys told me to lessons, jazz piano lessons.

and he said that it's, you know, or take piano lesson from a jazz piano player. And he said that, he told the story, you know, it was up that day where all the jazz men did heroin. So he's like, I'm a jazz man now. I'm going to do heroin. And he said he shot that heroin up one time.

And he said that as it was going, he looked at whoever it was and was like, hey, man, don't you ever let me do this ever again? He was like, I will be strung out on this shit so fast. he said he could not imagine feeling better than he did off that. I mean, it got to be, right? Yeah. Like, how good something got to feel for you to shoot it?

I would be very afraid. I mean, I don't think I don't think I could get me like that. But yeah, I mean, it is kind of scary how bad people want it, man. Oh, clearly it could get you. Like, everybody else is telling you that very, very, very clearly it could get you. I mean, how much better do you need your high to be, man? I You know what I mean?

See, that's the thing. It's not about need. That's the mistake everybody makes is thinking it's about need. It's not about need. It's just about want, right? Like that's it's it's it's it's it's just about want and it couldn't be me. I guess so. I mean, and when I say it couldn't be me, not couldn't be me to get strong out.

I just got to keep myself out of that discussion. Right. And I think that's part of it with the gambling. man, got to keep it. I think this is the biggest thing. And I think I've talked about this before, but the point that was made that the smartphone stopped online for being a place you went to being a place that goes with you everywhere. So when I go to Vegas, I play Blackjack and I might lose a couple thousand dollars in the course of the weekend because I made that decision before I show up that I'm going to play X amount of dollars in Blackjack, maybe it'll go up a little more, but I'm here.

I'm going to have a good time. I am going to play it. And then when I leave the casino, I have left with these sports books, you never leave. Right. It's always there with you. It's always wherever it is that you go. And that to me, I think, is where this is different than it had ever been before. And you can check. I mean, it's actually, I mean, if you just kind of back up for a little bit,

though, I mean, in addition to the proliferation of, you know, smartphones, just, I mean, we really just got acclimated all of a sudden to them holding major sporting events in Vegas. Yes. Just like everything, like I just, it kind of has been a remarkable shift over the course of our lifetime because they was so deathly scared, so deathly afraid of like, you know, the Black Sox or the old NYU scandals. Like those things were actually, if you were a sports fan and you kind of, those stories were real, um, there were scary stories, man, about like how they could totally destroy your reputation. And I just kind of felt like, you know, I mean, I don't, I don't know what's responsible for our changing wars around that. stuff. But I guess we just need a ways to sell things to more people. Maybe that's just what it is. And we're running out of things to sell people. Yeah, that's the thing. That's the issue is we're running out of new, running out of new ways to get this money. Last thing before we get out of here, Dian Sanders is going to be to coach of Colorado in 2026. Why? Why would he be? I mean, what is he,

look, man. So the one thing we know about Dian is that he coached his sons basically every step of the way. youth ball, high school ball, college at two different schools. So that is, I mean, that is an accomplishment. That's great. I would love if I had that as part of my story, right? That I got to coach my kids all the way through and enjoy a lot of success and a lot of attention. They're gone now. He's not doing well, like health-wise.

He already told you he don't want to recruit. He didn't want to recruit. I don't need to leave Colorado to do this. So that to me, that shows that like you actually don't kind of enjoy a lot of parts of this thing. So what are they building towards? Like, what are you, what are you, like, what is he coming back to next year? What are these other kids coming back to next year? And by the way, on the short list of C ain't no racism, Brian Kelly out here getting killed for not being out here doing the recruiting.

And Diazada is his life full, who, for what? He's like, I can always buy somebody. Brian Kelly, highlighting that article and sending it to everybody. Like, what about Deion? Huh? What about him? Unfortunately, Brian, people like Deion.

Oh, and that has to drive him even crazy. I know. Right. Because Brian Kelly's thing is, he doesn't understand what the problem is. And look, I don't know the man. I don't know what the problem is either. But he doesn't understand what the problem is. I mean, do you think, I mean, he got to know about now, right?

Clearly he does not. Because the way, I mean, people, just, I mean, just celebrating, you know? Like, I mean, it just, he wasn't a bad coach. It didn't go five and seven. Like, the program did not, like, hemorrhage anything. It just, I'm just shocked that people hate him in that way. I mean, again, I mean, again, so if you, I mean, I take seriously the idea that a kid that

worked on his football staff died under his leadership, right? Like, when he was at Notre Dame, a kid, they had practice on a very windy day. And the kid, I think his name was the clan Sullivan, fell off. the rise or whatever. Yeah, Declan, yeah. That's right, Declan, right, yeah. So, anyway, so yeah, so I get that. But, but I just, I, I, I don't think that would stop a lot of other people from hating

other coaches, you know what I mean? Like, I don't think, I don't think a lot of the coaches would get this, would be branded like this if they had that in their background, sadly enough. But for Deion, man, like, also, bro, me, man, Carucci don't want to, I mean, you know, she probably, I'd probably want to come back to Dallas. So this is what I, so I want to give some clarity on this. Because I, I talked about Dion coaching the T.C. I wanted him there before they hired Sunny Dikes.

Who got you to a national championship game and you gave him no credit for it. Yeah. I mean, look, was I wrong? I mean, was I wrong? You got you to a national championship game. Was I wrong. Again, I think he's a nice guy, whatever, but, you know, it is what it is. All he did was get you to a national championship game.

Why are you telling everybody else that they should be? be satisfied with what they situations are. I didn't say, you know, at this point, certainly this year, I think we should just keep it. Let's ride it out and see what happens. But, I mean, the thing about Dion, I think if Dion had gotten the TCU job, I feel like this would all look a lot different. He doesn't have no connections to Colorado. It's hard to get people to go over there.

Like, they don't have no home. TCU, man, he lives in an area, maybe one of the best recruiting areas. He'd be close to home. I think he would be energized by being there. Like, you know, if he been hired those many years ago and he was going through these health issues, I don't think people would be like, oh, man, this is his last year. But because we all know that he ain't got no connection to Colorado,

there's no reason for him to be there anymore. That's why I think people saying that. Does TCU have enough money to be competitive in the way that you're talking about, though? Because that seems to be the biggest problem. No, but I say the biggest problem at Colorado seems to be that they don't have the money. And so the idea that it would be much different at TCU, I think entirely depends on what. they have the money. I think they've got

decent money. I don't know if they got you know, Indiana, LSU money, but I don't think he needs that. And I definitely don't think he's said in D.AW. I think the money has also diminished the comparative advantage of having Dion Sanders.

Okay. You know what I mean? Like, you've got to pay him. Like, it was one thing he would never have gotten Travis Hunter to go to Jackson State if the money was what it is now. And look, that's only four years ago or three. Like, it's changed. that fast. So that's where I'm wondering where, like, say, having the facilities don't matter as much as it used to. What about the charming assistant? How much, or a charming recruiter, how much

does that matter? Especially since he don't want to do the recruiting. That's right. I just, but see, I don't think the thing is, if you're at DFW, you didn't have to do that much. You don't have to do that. I don't, I think he don't want to get all planes. I bet he don't go. But he was already saying he can't go to no high school, which I thought was a preposterous thing for him to say. I mean, yeah, man. Yeah. I don't, I said, he's the one guy, I think, that could overcome a lot of that in Texas. Because you also know in Texas for people that don't, the Texas High School Coaches Association is a big fucking deal.

You got to lay prostrate in front of them people so they will, you know, they can do whatever they want. You know what I mean? They control a lot of people there. They have a lot of influence in that state. And Dion is like, I think he's the one guy that wouldn't need them. Because he's like, man, there's a lot of brothers, man. He could get, you know, coach samples at Duncanville.

He's got a line on a lot of other guys. guys that I don't think I think because of Deion is the way he is that he doesn't need all the same stuff that other coaches right I don't think it would mean the TCU would be a national championship contender but I think it means that it would be nine and three every nine again and people would be happy with the program under him and I see I see nine and three at TCU requires you to be a better coach than I think that he has demonstrated himself to be has he I mean has he done anything to make you think he can coach I mean they got better last year Right? Like that defense got better than?

But they got better. Shador's not a great, I mean, as we see, he's not a great talent. Like, when you look back at it. But like, I mean, they just got their doors blown off by Utah. Like managing clock stuff like that, Diod has that demonstrated himself to be great at. I don't think that his teams have a clear personality or a clear identity that speaks to a head coach. That's right. I mean, I'd be willing to take change if TCU.

So anybody's TCUs, so anybody's TCU's listening. I mean, if you want to try to go high. Oh, I get it on the chance. I'm just not sure that it would go any different than it did. Man, yeah. I mean, I think right now it's going, okay, and he's rebuilding after he lost a quarterback that a lot of people thought should have been an early round draft pick and a high as a trophy winner and some other guys, and he's having to replace them.

And that's what's going to happen to Colorado. And Colorado is just a difficult job. I mean, he's got a five-star quarterback, right? Yeah, you got a five-star quarterback. He's got a five-star left tackle a few, you know, I'm not totally. not so long ago. So he's still able to get kids every now and again, but I just it's just a tougher cell at Colorado.

It's beautiful as Colorado is. I mean, the tradition it has. It's just a bit... I think more for Dion, I'm like, why do you want to do this more than Colorado don't want him anymore? Oh, no, no. Colorado will keep him as long as he's willing to stay. Yeah. I like you, I think the health stuff. I mean, but I'm not in his body, so I want to be careful,

you know, making too many assumptions. about what he'll do because of his health, but I don't think I would continue to do that job. It seems really difficult. I mean, you know, maybe he could do a thing where he takes some time off and gets healthy or whatever and he'll feel differently.

I think because I don't you know, I think college football is better with Dion. I, but it's only better with Dion if he'd do anything to make us pay attention. They have been in a wholly irrelevant factor. But I was still watch them when they're not good sometimes. I mean, you know, I mean, I still think that Colorado Georgia Tech

season opener did pretty decent even though nobody was like yeah and i had no idea what the numbers are now like i don't know how many people are still it clearly it would i know one thing rec wine and uh whoever else they ain't showing up on the sidelines that's a great question that was that that was actually what i was curious about yeah now that kind of stuff is over but uh you know they still they still have a little bit of cash and there's still some people who are for them so you know i mean yeah colorado man i'm sure they would hold on to them forever because that's a that ain't no easy job no more neither I mean, Bill McCartney, underrated, great all-time coach. I mean, Gary Barnett.

Yeah, also, Big 8 recruiting standards. That's a very, I mean, also, I mean, it's a lot easier when you had to play against Oklahoma State, you know. Yes, I'm saying. Those Kansas State's Kansas. And Big 8, man, you had two games play every year. Yeah, man. Yeah, Nebraska and Oklahoma.

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And for a second, I thought I was like, that kind of looked like a Benny the butcher type look you had going on. But then I was like, okay, it wasn't a button. I wanted to hate so bad that I thought I saw something that wasn't even there. That's what I just heard you say. No, I mean, I just, I was looked. I thought I was like, oh, that kind of, anyway, it's just for a second.

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