The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Cowboys Netflix doc criticisms, Arch Manning mania, Shedeur Sanders struggles | 08.25
Episode Date: August 25, 2025On today's episode, Bomani Jones starts by discussing his issues with the Netflix documentary "America's Team: The Gambler and His Cowboys" as it is focused more on Jerry Jones than Michael Irvin, Dei...on Sanders, or Troy Aikman. Later, he breaks down the hype surrounding Arch Manning heading into Texas' game against Ohio State this weekend. Finally, he discusses stories missed while on vacation the past week, including Shedeur Sanders struggling in his final preseason game. the Colts benching Anthony Richardson in favor of Daniel Jones, and the Cracker Barrell rebrand controversy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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My name is Beaumani Jones.
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I realized I went on a vacation and didn't tell y'all I was going to go on a vacation.
Oops, my bad.
I also realized, uh, right?
don't be. I'm surprised that people didn't call us out on this a whole lot sooner.
Joe Haltani from Japan. Yeah, I know. He made our top 25 list. And all I have to say to the people
on that one is, oops. Whoops. Yeah. That's what I would like to call a big oopsie daisy.
That's a giant big use. Mayan. Oh, no. It was everybody's oops. You know what? In the end,
we were able to whittle off. Baseball is America's pastime. Bingo. Bingo.
And we were able to whittle. And we were able to whittle.
off enough of those basketball players to make it possible that we could actually put together
a list. That was all it came down to.
Correct. That was it. Right.
Chelle O'Hotti, Kenichi Wa'i, uh, it's like you're one of us. You know what I'm saying?
And had Whitney involved in some kind of housing discrimination. Yeah, and a gambling scandal.
USA. Doesn't get more American than that.
USA. You know what I'm saying? Anyway, I got back from, uh, my trip. And while I was gone,
I generally now do my best to stay off to socials for reasons that I've told y'all, which is very simple, aside from the fact that it's generally toxic.
It specifically become mean to me in a way that I don't find enjoyable anymore, right?
I've got to be a little bit too big to be out here just slapping people down every week.
Therefore, all it is is people being mean, and there's no sport in that for you, boy.
But every now and then, I kind of drop in just to get a handle what y'all talking about so I could do for work.
and I come to find out that everybody was real hot to track about this Netflix docu-series on the Dallas Cowboys.
I saw people who were making the comparison between that and the last dance and saying that this was a better documentary than the last dance.
And I thought that that was an interesting point of comparison because I don't have the greatest handle on how good people thought the last dance was.
like I mean look when it came out five years ago
last dance was the greatest thing to ever happen
because man we was just stuck in there without shit to do remember that y'all was
waking up in the morning watching korean baseball like we was on strug
we was on this show talking about the last dad like it was the playoffs like it was it was
what we had to do it was it was it was what was crack it was what there was to talk about
but i did think the last dance was very good for a
number of reasons.
And if you guys said that it was comparable to that, then I was like, okay, cool, I'm
gonna come in and I'm gonna check it out.
And so I watched all of it between a couple of days.
I found it to be very entertaining, but I think I found it to be as noteworthy for what
was in it as it was for what was not in it.
Um, so if you have not seen the docu series, obviously you're going to have plenty of time.
I don't know how much there is that I'm going to say here that is a spoiler because the thing is about history.
Man, had an eyelash going my eye while I was doing the show. Boy, that was tough. I'm glad I,
oh boy. Anyway, um, I can't really spoil stuff that's been public for like 30 something years.
I don't know how much that was in that documentary that honestly has not been known by people.
I think that in some of the responses that I saw to the film, I was a little surprised at some of the things that people did not know.
But, I mean, between the Miami Hurricanes and the Dallas Cowboys, I've read enough, like, books and stuff that I got to forget that not everybody, like, cares that much and does that.
Anyway, I want to start with the most striking thing about this, which is this was not a docu-series about the Dallas Cowboys.
This was a docu-series about Jerry Jones, which is in part why I'm a little bit surprised by how much people really like this as a docu-series because this is about Jerry Jones.
Like, how much goddamn time did you need to give me about Jerry Jones and his lawsuits against the NFL so that Pepsi could be the official sponsor of the Dallas Cowboys and Nike could be an official sponsor of the Dallas Cowboys?
I don't care.
Like, do you care?
I'm not saying those things don't matter, right?
In terms of a larger picture of like how the league has changed and everything else, I'm not saying those things.
don't matter. I'm saying those things only matter
in the context of Jerry Jones
and I don't care that much about Jerry Jones.
I don't care about Jerry Jones as a main character.
I care about Jerry Jones as a person
who is part of this larger, historically significant
story. But even the title of it,
what is it?
American gambler.
Yeah, the American team, the gambler and his cowboys.
The word Dallas ain't even in it.
right the gambler and his cowboys and i as somebody who finds jerry jones interesting right i don't
i didn't show up one to watch eight episodes about jerry jones but anyway what i found to be
interesting to off the rip to me a docu-series or a documentary like this needed to start with the building
of the legend of the Dallas Cowboys.
Okay?
Some black and white footage of when they were awarded the team,
some grainy footage of them playing back when they used to play at the Cotton Bowl
and all of that stuff.
Think about this for a second.
This is ostensibly a docu-series about the Dallas Cowboys,
and I don't recall anything in it about the Ice Bowl.
I don't recall anything specific about Roger Stobach.
I don't recall anything specific about Tony Dorset, any of these things.
That's crazy talk to me, right?
Like to me, that is outright insanity.
Because what I didn't come away from it with an understanding of,
and these are like notes that I would give if I work with Netflix is,
so why did Jerry care that much about buying the Dallas Cowboys in the first?
Now, also, this is a larger complaint that I have about Netflix documentaries, if you want to be honest about it, is that I don't think they give typically enough background. It is, it's done with the sensibilities of a tech company, which is to say the past doesn't matter. Right. Like, this is, that is how I feel when I watch this, all those Netflix untold joints, the majority of which are boo-boo, is the same kind of thing, right? But anyway, to me, you need to explain to me how, like, what's the
this was this was America's team. Okay. The Cowboys have won three Super Bowls and been to three
Super Bowls with Jerry Jones. The Cowboys had been to five Super Bowls before Jerry Jones showed up.
They had those three years, or it may even been two, but they had those years where they were not good
right before Jerry bought the team and fired Tom Landry, which was the right move to make.
What nobody ever said explicitly that blew my mind is one of the more amazing factoid. The Cowboys
had a winning record for 20 years in a row. 20 years in a row. You get into the actual documentary
and you start going through all the things about the 1990s Cowboys and of course you get to the White
House and all the dope and all that stuff and all the trouble they were getting into. Hey man,
the Cowboys were doing that in the 70s too. Like I don't know how many young people who would watch
that have an understanding that with Jerry Jones or what they had going in the 90s was actually a
continuation of the lineage of the franchise in a lot of ways.
Like there one to me could have been a whole episode, a very fascinating episode of the
dichotomy between the deification of Tom Landry and the man Tom Landry was versus the team
that he had, right?
And where the similarities are truly between he and Jimmy Johnson were personality type
and disposition and demeanor, they were absolutely and totally different.
But in the end, can you play football circle yes or no?
being the only thing that really mattered was where both of them came from.
Right.
These are things that I personally find to be very interesting with what we're, you know,
for what we're talking about, right?
And it didn't really do that because that's not about Jerry.
It's not.
And hey, I want to also make the point.
I find it very interesting what the circumstances were under which Jerry bought the team.
I had forgotten what a bit of a clown he was seen as.
off the rip for buying that team and what he did with Tom Landry and with TechSram and all of those guys, right?
I think there was something to be said about building us up a world before Jerry Jones in our public consciousness.
I also want to stop and take a moment to point out that I as a Texan in general and a Houstonian in specific think that you people from Dallas, I don't even know what y'all are called, to be honest.
What is it, Dallasites?
I got no idea what they call y'all.
Y'all just people from Dallas as far as I'm concerned.
Y'all got a lot of nerd to be out here calling people country.
You know what I'm saying?
And look, I know Jerry from Arkansas, and I'm not saying Dallas is Arkansas.
But I am saying Dallas is Dallas.
And y'all got some nerd to be out here.
Oh, man, this country bulking has come to Dallas, the big old brough.
Brough, brough.
Get out of here.
Get out of here.
Y'all are still a bunch of people from Dallas.
Don't you ever forget it.
But anyway,
Ryan, I remember this.
These are moments where I realized
that you were a very young lad
when this Cowboys thing was going on.
Like, I don't even know how much, like,
contemporaneous recollection you have of these teams.
I don't remember any of the Super Bowls.
Oh.
So, yeah, I'm just that, the Cowboys,
the 90s run of the Cowboys is right before my fandom really starts.
Okay.
Before I start getting into sports.
So, yeah.
what I found, I don't know what the right word is, but what I found to be interesting in watching
that was the recollection of what a big deal a team used to be able to be.
Yes.
Right.
I think the last one that we truly had in sports that really landed like that were those Kevin Durant
warriors, like that run of things.
Right.
But we had like the Shaq and Kobe Lakers be a great example.
Obviously the LeBron James Miami Heat just totally, you know, dominated everything that we saw.
for that time period. The Patriots
in a way, but they were just so wholly
uninteresting. And now it was
also very much two,
it was all Belichick and Brady. It wasn't
a collection of pieces
the way the Cowboys were. This Cowboys
thing was different, man.
Like, it was different. And also, I think the
documentary pointed out something that is interesting, that
is not the same about those Patriots.
Those Patriots came out of nowhere.
Right. Right. We thought they were going to
be terrible. They won a Super Bowl.
They stayed good for 20 years.
those cowboys were terrible in 89,
surprisingly much better in 90,
what a playoff game in 91,
then won the Super Bowl in 92 and 93.
But it was a build.
Like there were things that were going on
that were not in that documentary
that I find to be a bit surprising.
For example,
the Steve Walsh stuff.
Bingo.
That's the biggest one to me
that I'm surprised they did not do more of.
So for people who don't know,
Steve Walsh was Jimmy's,
quarterback at Miami after Jimmy Testiburdy left. Walsh was the quarterback in 87 when they won the
national championship and in 88 where they lost the one game to Notre Dame and finished number two.
The Cowboys drafted Troy Aitman number one. Now, I feel like Jimmy is very revisionist in his view on
Troy or just leaves out important parts about Troy. Most notably, they took Steve Walsh in the supplemental
draft in 1989 with a pick that ultimately became the number one overall pick.
They used a first round pick in the supplemental draft.
They went one in 15, so that was the number one pick.
And they took Steve Walsh.
That first year, they were 0 and 11 when Troy Aitman started games.
Steve Walsh started the one game that they won in 1989 when they got themselves a victory.
Jimmy's boys broke Troy Aitman's leg in 1985 in Norman, that changed the course of everything.
made Troy transfer.
My read has always been,
Jimmy as former coach at Oklahoma State
and as the Miami coach,
was way too familiar with Troy
and could nitpick at him
because he had spent so much time.
He knew too much about him,
so he knew his flaws
almost better than his trains.
Knew all of it, right?
And he's looking at his team
and saying how much tougher
his Miami guys are to the Oklahoma team.
Remember, from 1985 to 1987,
Troy was only quarterback in 85.
But from 85 to 87,
Oklahoma went 33 and 3, which is to say Oklahoma went 33 and 0 against everybody except Miami and 0 and 3 against Miami. Home Road and bold. They took them all in that point. But Jimmy was never sold on Troy. And you can tell he was never sold on Troy because they started Steve Burline in the playoffs in 1991. By then they had traded Walsh. But Jimmy was ready to go to his guy. He never thought that Troy Aitman really had it until they won a Super Bowl.
And then it was like, oh, okay, shocked that that's not there.
Almost doing the sports radio thing of a, eh, is he a winner?
Right, right.
But you know what?
That doesn't have nothing to do with Jimmy.
Yeah, it doesn't.
Right?
All of this comes back to Jerry, excuse me, with Jerry.
All of this comes back to Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry at every charm.
Of course, Jerry, the thing I do appreciate it by Jerry and find interesting about Jerry
is I think that Jerry is more willing to answer hard questions than anybody that I can think of.
And Jerry is more willing to bring things up that I think other people would skate away from than most folks, I know.
I think the whole story of Jimmy and Jerry and their relationship and how that went over these 30 years, I did find that to be very interesting.
I thought the recollections of the power struggle and the fact that they still can't agree on half the stuff, I found that to be very interesting.
However, to me, there is no question who the star of this is.
And Ryan, I haven't even asked if you've gotten around watching it.
I've seen half.
Okay.
It's in the first four.
So I do think that in the first four, you may have seen by then who might vote for no question, who the biggest star on this is.
And it is Michael Irvin.
Of course.
And I think, you know what Michael Irvin is?
What if my buddy, Jalen Rose?
was a Hall of Famer.
That is what Michael Irvin is.
I can make an argument
that Michael Irvin is the most culturally
influential football player
of the last 40 years.
And when I say culturally influential,
I don't necessarily mean
influential to the larger culture
outside of football.
I mean influential to what a football player
was, could be, or the way that we looked at football.
And this is why I say this, okay?
Michael Irvin is the personality of the youth.
Like the idea of what the U is, it lives and breathes through Michael Irvin,
who to me, to this day, is probably the best player in the history of that program.
Certainly to me the most important player of that program.
The personality of the U does not exist under Howard Schnellenberger.
It exists really starting in 1985, Jimmy's second year at coach,
and the year that Michael Irvin showed up there.
And where Irvin said his culture was and, you know, look at the other guys,
Melvin Bratt and Alonzo Highsmith, all those other guys, right?
But it was the idea that you could do all that shit that they was doing
and to dancing and celebrating as long as you work really hard.
Jimmy is fascinating because Jimmy liked it.
Like they were not doing this in spite of Jimmy Johnson.
They were emboldened by the fact that Jimmy was like, whatever, man.
You boys having a good time.
I wish I could dance.
I'd be out here doing the same shit as y'all.
You know what I'm saying?
but the personality of the U is Michael Irvin, who then comes to the Cowboys and as a rookie
has the audacity to come to Tom Landry with a list of players that says these guys,
they ain't going to work.
The personality of the Dallas Cowboys is the personality of Michael Irvin for better or worse,
all the way to the White House stuff and everything else, right?
All of that is Michael Irvin.
And I do think that there are probably a lot.
lot of younger people who see Michael Irvin on television and see Michael Urban on the internet
and do not understand why, like, why is this the thing? Why is this loud talking dude? Why,
why is he here like this? And the reason is he was, as, look, there are a lot of people that
have had arguments for this. Sterling Sharp has had an argument for this, for example, but when you
really go back and look at it and keep in mind that Troy Aitman, I think had 20 touchdown
passes one time in his career, then you go look at Michael Ervin's stats. That was probably
the best wide receiver not named Jerry Rice in the 1990s.
He is the only wide receiver that I could ever think of to truly be seen as the leader
of an offense, right?
The leader of a team.
And the reason was he was a winner, a flat out 100% winner.
I mean, one in college, one in the pros.
And I think the J-1-Rose comparison is interesting, became very, very, very,
very famous for a countercultural, you know, sport.
And also, you know, Jalen represents Michigan as well as, you know, Michael Urban represents Miami.
But Jalen was the face of a cultural phenomenon.
Yes.
And the U was a cultural, the U was a cultural phenomenon in a different way in that they terrified people.
People had their disagreements with the FAB five, but there had already been a Miami.
there had already been a UNLV.
There had already been some people
that could kind of smooth you into it.
Even Florida State with Dionne Sanders
and all those things.
Those guys had already existed up until that point.
Irvin showed up in a way they were doing it in Miami.
Nobody had seen anything like that, right?
And then Jimmy brings it to the league
and they're doing it again.
So Michael Irvin and Emmett Smith used to do this,
and this is a Michael Urban idea, if I'm not mistaken.
Every time they score a touchdown,
they take their helmets off because they was like
somebody need to see this face.
You're never going to know my face if I don't show you my face.
Right.
And you sit there and you watch him and you watch Irvin play and you look at that personality's got and then him explaining why he wore to make that day in the middle of the summer of court and all of that.
Man, it is your friendly reminder that they really only made one of those.
It's so amazing.
I think the comparisons to the last dance are fair because you have so many people like when they're doing their, you know, their little ISO stuff.
You're so riveted by.
And between Michael Irvin, Dionne Sanders, Jimmy Johnson, I haven't gotten to this part,
but whenever Charles Haley shows up, he's a crazy person.
And again, this is the top four, have not mentioned Jerry Jones.
Right.
By the way, what the last dance doesn't have is Michael Irvin.
Right.
Like, part of what makes Michael Irvin so interesting is Michael Irvin is far more willing to make
himself vulnerable about his shortcomings and his outright fuckups than just about anybody
that I can think of, right?
Right.
Like, he will give that,
go check Michael Urban's Hall of Fame speech.
Right.
Like, he will give that to you.
Also, Dion Sanders enters the chat.
And I love...
In a cowboy hat.
And I know how you guys
think I feel about Dion in total.
I don't like all the things
that Dion does.
But let me tell you what I do love about Dion.
I love about Dion
that Dion can sit in that chair
and say that I was it.
You know what it means?
I was it.
And that is a statement of that.
There is no way that he can honestly discuss himself without saying I was it.
Nobody else can do that.
Right.
He sits in there and he does that.
And what he and Michael Irvin with each other, anytime I see them talk to each other,
something that I find very interesting about them is, and this is one thing about
those Miami guys in particular, but I also think it's something that Dion does not get enough credit
for, which is Dion's confidence is legitimate. Dion's confidence is sincere. Now, he does not like it
when people push back on him in various ways, but what Dion Sanders never was, was threatened by Michael
Irvin. What Michael Irvin never was, was threatened by Dion Sanders. Like, those two dudes are
legit and they look at each other and say, game, recognized game. Like, there's a clip where Dion
talks about
Deion of Michael Urban talking,
and I can't remember
which one of them
had gone to the NFL network first.
I think it was Michael Irvin.
It must have been.
Because Dion retires,
and Michael Irv,
and he's talking about how Michael Irvin
sat down with him and explained to him
what he needed to do
and be on television.
Your camera's going to be here.
This is going to be here.
This is going to be here.
All of this stuff.
And just walking him through what he needed.
Like, there's a camaraderie
between those two cats that I find to be very interesting,
which gets back to part of what it to me
is so interesting about those Cowboys,
teams and it's again the spirit of the you coming back which is it's team man it's an outright team
i ain't even got to talk about emma smith yet right as we talked about all the things we didn't
talk about we didn't even get talking about emma smith and none of these as you put it are jerry
jones like why did this have to be about you you have this franchise that was something before you
got there and look i there's a there's an episode at the end where it's why they haven't won anything
in 30 years he kind of
gets into that one, right? He kind of goes in that direction. But in the end, you just get left
with the thought, man, that I get that you wanted to be about you. Or how about this? I get that
Jerry wants to do all the things. But it doesn't have to be about you in the course of doing all
the things. You want to be the GM? That's fine, right? He didn't buy that car to ride in it. He
bought that car to drive it. I get that. It's yours. If you want to do that, that's fine. And the way that
you handle attention and all of that stuff. Okay, cool. I get all of those things 100%. But this,
it can't be about you. It can't be about you. And in the end, you will realize, and I remember
once having this conversation with somebody else about something very similar, if you got something
good, everybody will get the credit for it. And Jerry very much cares about the credit.
If you got something good, everybody involved to get credit for it.
just make sure it's good, right?
It's all you got to do is make sure that it's good.
And I is someone who is generally a defender of Jerry Jones.
I just came away from looking at the way that film was produced.
And it's like, see?
That's why y'all be out here looking like losers.
College football season is about to begin.
We got our good buddy, Spencer Hall.
He is going to join us on Friday.
although I guess college football season already began.
They played Farmingetting.
That's Iowa State and Kansas State,
but they played it in Ireland.
And could they have called it Famine getting?
It's tough.
We can laugh about the famine now.
It's for a long time.
I think any potato-based humor is fair game.
Hey, by the way, let me say something.
I don't think there is any like plague, natural disaster, whatever it is that sounds quite as dire as a famine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Not even a famine, a specific vegetable family.
Yes.
Yes.
They're like, yo, man, what are we supposed to do?
That's what we got here.
That's what we got.
It's all that can grow here and we can't eat.
We can't grow it.
We can't grow anything.
We got to get out of here.
And so for those of you who did, did you see what happened though?
And I feel so, okay.
So Kansas State got a quarterback named Avery Johnson.
not Avery Johnson, but Avery Johnson, right?
Yeah.
It looks like a lot of the Kansas State quarterbacks that have been there.
Yeah, but yo, this is what I didn't realize.
Apparently his brother and his dad got into a fist fight in the streets of Dublin.
Yep.
You saw this?
Yep.
Okay.
So I see, not granted, I am aware of New Orleans, Avery Johnson, okay?
But even still, I see the guy's name is Avery Johnson.
he's a quarterback for Kansas State
and his family is scrapping it out
in the streets of Dublin.
It was very similar to me.
They did. They did.
They did.
But I would say it was in the moment
as I had heard about it
and had not watched it,
it felt very similar to me
to, for example,
the D.C. sniper.
Where I read about it
and I was like,
who,
us.
But.
Didn't know where you're going.
But, but, first of all, go look up a picture of this, Avery Johnson.
I know.
He looks like an Avery.
Yes.
But his daddy, that's a Johnson right there.
Yes.
That's a Johnson.
And then his brother get up off the ground with these big ass corn rolls.
And I was like, oh, come on, man.
I do us.
No, there was no way.
Let me make sure I get this right on this Avery Johnson.
Let me just make sure.
Because I,
this kid.
Oh, okay, okay.
Now that I look at this picture,
I kind of, I see it.
I see it.
Yes.
But still,
I thought it,
I thought it,
I thought it wasn't us, man.
Dublin does that to people.
Yeah.
You know,
like all of that case.
together and they were fighting in the streets.
And by the way,
it looked like kind of like I wasn't able to clearly glean a winner.
No, it was a draw.
It was a draw, which, you know my take on this,
if the son beats the dad in the fight, Daddy ain't shit.
Oh, so one level or another.
Yeah, that's the, he gets the big piece of chicken forever.
That's right.
That's right.
What do y'all got to move?
Right?
This is canceled.
Somebody here has to move.
But anyway, I just needed to note that before we got this, you know, get going on this.
But the story clearly of this upcoming college football season is Archmanor.
And why?
I just need somebody to explain to me why.
What's the big deal here?
Okay.
And I look, and I say this is somebody who used to root for Texas until it became a complete and total affront to my own dignity for me to continue to do that.
I asked the why about Arch, not why people are interested.
Like, I think it's not that difficult to understand why somebody would be interested at the very
least on the surface, right? He is a five-star recruit. He does seem to be very talented.
And as I've said many times, I find it interesting that finally Archie Manning's jeans
passed down with someone who could also throw and run. Because for those of you who don't
understand, Archie Manning could go. And I feel like Archie Manning
had to be embarrassed and look at how slow his sons are.
You know, kind of like when some black people look up and find out that the kids can't dance.
Like, damn, how do I create a solution to this problem?
But anyway, I just want to read something out to your right fast.
So far, Arch Manning in his Texas career has started two games,
has completed 61 of 90 passes for 939 yards, 9 touchdowns, and 2 interceptions.
And I want to be very clear that those are really.
good numbers. I also want to be very clear that Arch Manning has started two games and could not
take the job from Quinn Ewers. Now, I don't know why exactly he couldn't take the job from Quinn Ewers.
I don't know if you saw it is Ryan, but they did an interview, you know, press availability.
And I forget, one of the receivers, they asked who threw a more catchable ball arch and
Archer Quinn. And the response was no comment. That's not great. Yeah, but I don't know, I don't know
which no comment. Which way. That's bad for one of them. I don't know if you saw Quinn Ewers play
He preseason football, brother.
But I can't.
There are people using hyperbolic terms to talk about Archmanning thus far,
and I just don't know where you're getting it from.
He may turn out to be that guy.
Like, I'm not saying he's not that good.
I'm saying I don't know how we know.
Right.
Like, I don't have a great understanding why we're so confident in this other than
we so believe in the cell now on this kind of.
The late Great Neil Postman made a point in one of his books that he thought that
we would reach a point where a preregives
if we were running for political office would be some measure
of celebrity that happened prior.
He thought that was going to be an effective television.
And we have seen that bear itself out of the political world.
I bring that up because these recognizable last name
seem to be what creates stars in sports right now
as much as anything else.
Is like, oh, you're related to somebody.
What gets me about Arch is his daddy
wasn't even a quarterback.
His daddy is the other one.
The soup with coop dude.
Yeah, yeah, I mean, obviously you have the famous family, but it's not coming from that direct gene pool.
Yo, that's what I'm saying.
Like, we're doing all this for a nephew?
For a nephew, who by the way is about to walk into one of the more pressure-packed situations that I can think of, right?
Like, maybe he has the Eli Manning gene and all of this just rolls off his back.
Maybe he's got the Peyton Manning gene and he thinks too much.
I don't really have the ATSAF, just like that.
tight as a drum, tight as a drum.
Couldn't stick a pin in with a jackhammer.
You are absolutely correct.
I don't know if it's that one,
but Texas is the preseason number one.
They are starting the season at Ohio State.
They are actually underdogs.
Preseason number one is underdog in the first game,
going against the defending national champions.
And I just want to throw something out here for people
who may not be that familiar with Texas football.
I'm going to rattle off in my lifetime.
And if I'm forgetting somebody,
somebody feel free to let me know.
but the super duper top-notch quarterback recruits like the ones that walked on campus of people like,
oh, something going to be different now.
Shay Morins, Chris Sims, Vince Young, Garrett Gilbert, and Quinn Ewers.
None of them went exactly as expected.
Colt, this is a little before me, but Colt wasn't a big time recruit?
No, Colt is actually one of the more amazing.
I can't believe this happened out in nowhere success stories of all time.
Also one of those underrated college careers.
All time great.
All time great.
He and Tim Tebow are the same caliber of college player.
But do you know where Colt McCoy originally committed to play college football?
I do not.
LSU.
That's incredible.
He committed to go to LSU and then once it became clear to Ryan Paralu, even if he hadn't
told nobody, was going to go to LSU.
Colt then went to Texas where Paraly.
had been committed.
There's a, there's a like three degrees of separation for Ryan Paraloo.
That's a podcast for 10 people that, that would be very interested in.
Yes, exactly.
But all 10 of us would have a ball, a ball, I tell you.
But every single one of those, Vince Young, it took a season and a half before that got going.
The Chris Sim saga was a four-year drama the whole way.
Marenz never turned out to be that guy.
Gary Gilbert eventually made the NFL, but had to leave.
because it was so bad while he was at Texas.
And yours, it never quite added up, right?
So now, Ohio State, playing a game at Ohio State as a Texas quarterback, to me,
there are three Vince Young games from college, three specific Vince Young games.
Two of them are Rose Bowls.
In between those two Rose Bowls was the game at Ohio State where A.J. Hawke had, I want
to say, 10 tackles, one sack, one interception, and was way late.
it was an incredible game for a defensive player, except the problem was that dude was on the other side and he walked him down and one day game at the horseshoot.
Like that was for real, oh, something is really happening here with this guy, right?
This is the site 20 years later of one of the biggest wins in the history of the program.
And this is the stadium that Arch Manning is walking into with the number one team in America that seems to be finally on the verge of fulfilling the promise.
of what this program can be in the right people's hands.
And before this game has even been won,
we have people talking about him like he is probably going to be the greatest
quarterback ever.
Not everybody is saying that,
but this is what we're saying all the way across the board.
And that all feels like wishing, right?
It all, to me, just feels like selling a story that would be good for business
for all parties involved.
But it is a,
amazing to me level of stardom and fame for somebody that hasn't like really done anything.
I mean, you have guys that get super famous in college, right?
Reggie Bush is a great example of a guy.
Like Reggie Bush, Matt Liner, Tim Tebow.
But that level of fame normally comes subsequent to some kind of receipt, right?
Like in one form or another, something of, oh, you did this.
Like, Herschel Walker, right?
That's another example.
Like there's some form of, oh, that guy did this.
That's why.
That's not what's happening here.
And Archmanning was a big-time recruit, but he didn't play big-time high school football.
And, you know, we have a long history college football of, like, anticipated debuts.
But not after a guy who's been, you know, been on campus for two years.
That doesn't happen anymore.
Right.
And he's got a lot.
He had coming out of school a lot more truthers than somebody, like the range of, is it just because his last name is Manning.
Questions about if you're that good playing at the level of high school football that you played
at why weren't your teams a little bit better?
And look, it's not like that school never had great players,
both Mannings, Odell Beckham, you know,
but even still, the question was like, hey, so, you know,
they could have been better, right?
Right.
Like, there's a lot of that.
There's a lot of, I think that this will be a more interesting situation
if we approached it with questions,
rather than approaching it with hype.
but we have decided already that he's the guy.
This is the story.
And I guess we're going to see on Saturday now, won't we?
Speaking of hype, did you see the excerpt from Seth Wickersham's book?
The one part that I saw.
Okay.
I want to read it for the people who have not seen it because I think we're going to say the same thing.
Yes, go ahead.
No one knew where Archmanning wanted to go to school.
Some of the family preferred Georgia where head coach Kirby Smart would coach him hard.
others, Alabama.
The problem for Alabama was that Nick Sabin
from the Crimson Tide Assistance affectionately called
Daddy was getting up there in years
and no one knew how long he'd be there.
Daddy.
Daddy.
Well, hold on. That leads to the next part.
Okay, okay, all right.
So.
That part was a little dicey.
I didn't know if you wanted to bring that one.
Oh, no, no, no, I do.
So for those of you who don't remember,
Steve Sarkesian had to lead.
USC because he suffered one of the more embarrassing moments that anybody has ever had.
And he was a raging alcoholic and acted bad in public in a way that it could not recover
from.
Was publicly embarrassing?
Yes, it was dreadful.
He left there and he made the slow walk back, right?
Like he was an offensive coordinator in the NFL.
He then wound up being an offensive coordinator at Alabama, because I think his buddy
Lane got him back on at Alabama.
And then he became an officer coordinator there.
And he got the Texas shop.
And Pete Golding, who's the defensive coordinator at Alabama, was the one tasked with
recruiting Arch Manning.
And he basically said, you know, he hopes everything goes okay with Sark.
Just hope he doesn't fall off the wagon.
Yeah.
It was it was the most southern passive aggressive thing I've ever seen.
It was. It was. You know, bless his heart by hope he doesn't make those mistakes he used to make.
Yeah, yeah. I hope he doesn't fall off the wagon. And there was somebody says something to go on to goodbye and he was like, Daddy's on me about this one.
Because I think the thing was sometimes with the recruit, part of it is about how good he is. Part of it is about winning.
Like not letting that guy go somewhere else, not letting up like you don't want Texas to build the momentum that comes from having a,
landed a recruit like Arch Manning, right? The signal that it winds up giving. Like maybe that's
not the thing that he wants. But yeah, he said, that is all me about that one. Here's the only,
here's the thing about it. As bad as everybody found that. Every single job that Steve Sarkeesian
has gotten after that somebody has had that exact question. Of course. Exact question. I will say this,
because I actually don't think Coach Nettec's Texas comes with a lot of annoying things,
but I don't think it's a high pressure job.
Being the offensive coordinator at Alabama, that's a high pressure job.
Yeah.
And he survived that.
Like, once he got to the other side of that, it's kind of like, oh, okay, you know,
you straight.
Yeah.
I think you're going to wind up being okay.
But that is still wild that he was just like, you know, hope he didn't fall off the wagon.
And I'm looking at Pete like, brother, that's, I'm just here to tell you right now.
that one's not going to work.
They've already thought about this.
Yeah.
Like, I assure you that Archie Manning has already considered this part and has asked this man about it when went nobody else around.
Promise you.
The recruit got all the leverage.
Daddy's, daddy's all me.
I'm sorry, y'all.
I've worked with and for some very impressive people.
Some were domineering than others.
You know?
however I ain't calling no five foot six man daddy you got me messed up
all right beau we wanted to go through some quick story for the back half of the show
stuff you missed when you're all on vacation we're just calling this what I miss
nothing too crazy so we're going to start with another famous guy with a famous last name
shodorer Sanders that mania has continued obviously had the strong preseason debut
struggled a little bit in his last time out against the Rams three for six
for, you know, 14 yards, took five sacks.
But, however, was pulled before the two-minute drill
in that game for Tyler Hunley.
Many of his, you know, strong online contingent
are claiming Stefansky is sabotaging him.
Bo your thoughts.
Okay.
Not having him run that two-minute drill is a strange decision, right?
I think we would all agree
that having Tyler Hundley,
who none of us think is going to make the team.
Who is cut, who's cut like 24 hours later.
Yeah, I mean, look,
they're going to keep all four of these quarterbacks, I think, right?
The idea of Huntley running the two-minute drill under that,
what's the point?
What were you doing that for?
Do I believe that Sanders is being sabotaged?
No.
I think that is excessive.
Do I think that he is being put in the best positions to be successful?
No.
But you know why I say that?
Because he plays for the Browns.
Nobody in that motherfucker is in a position to be successful.
What the fuck are you talking about?
He's a fifth round pick for the Browns.
They're going to start Joe fucking Flacco.
I know I've cussed a lot more in this show that I typically would prefer.
They're going to start Joe Flacco.
Nobody's in a position to be successful.
They're going to go from him.
They're going to go to kitty pick it.
I'm told that Dylan Gabriel looked okay.
I've asked you, Shador, folks, to pace yourselves.
Did I not say to pace yourselves?
Remember when I said, y'all need to pace y'all selves?
Just pace y'all selves.
Because, look, I promise you, he's going to get to play because they're all going to get to play
because they all stink.
Okay?
Like, I saw clips of Shador from the last gang.
He's the biggest problem he had before remains the biggest problem that he has right now.
He holds the ball too long.
right?
That is that I don't know.
Some quarterbacks get over that and most don't.
Right.
And he is not an unathletic quarterback,
but he's not athletic enough to be the guy
that holds the ball too long, right?
He holds the ball too long.
And I think it was Deonté Lee of the Ringer
who put some clips up running through some of these concepts.
And you can see it.
You can say that he was playing behind a bad offensive line.
And I'm not saying those things aren't wrong.
But there were throws there to be made that he did not make.
Right.
He's not there yet.
I can't get this caught up in somebody who is like at barely make the team level.
You know, I think I don't think that's an unfair characterization to make of him at this point.
He's like a kind of sort of make the team kind of player.
But the conspiracy, hold on, let me be clear.
He was not the choice of the head coach.
I would understand that the head coach doesn't want to waste a roster spot on a quarterback
that he doesn't think has it or doesn't want to play, right?
If I were Stefansky, I'd have faith that I was right and I throw the door out there
in that second on that two-minute drill and then showed world.
Show him, right?
Like, he couldn't have possibly played that worse.
So I don't want to pretend like I don't understand some of the grumbling behind him not
playing that two-minute drill.
However, let's not pretend like before that two-minute drill.
He was showing himself as somebody who was earning his right.
into playing that two-minute drill, right?
I just, I've never seen a team with five quarterbacks,
because don't forget Deshaal Watson, nasty ass still over there.
And none of us think that they are good.
Like, the big Shredor fans, do you think he's good?
I think that's my question.
Like, do you think right now he's good?
Maybe you think he can be good,
but do you truly think right now that he's a good player?
And if you don't think that right now he's a good player,
pace yourself, pace yourself.
All right, Ryan, what else I miss?
Speaking of quarterbacks who might not be very good,
Daniel Jones was named a starter for the Colts over Anthony Richardson.
You know, the fourth overall pick a few years ago
is now going to be the backup for the Colts.
And we're going to see Daniel Jones out there, week one.
Okay, I just want to throw out that I can't find anybody
who thinks that Daniel Jones has performed better this preseason than Anthony Richardson.
I can't, right?
Now, if you want to start getting into your conspiracy theories,
about the head coach simply not wanting to play a quarterback.
It seems very clear that that is what is going on here.
For whatever reason, it seems like, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.
Seems like Stuyken and Ballard are playing for their jobs in some capacity.
Stuyken probably more particular than Ballard,
but I think they feel like they're working for their jobs this season.
And they don't feel comfortable putting their futures in the hands of Anthony Richardson.
again somewhat understandable not understandable putting your future in the hands of daniel jones go look at what the
giants have what's left of russell wilson jamis and that jackson dart thing i'll believe it when i see it
a quarterback drafted in the 20s just go look at how that works out typically canney picket i believe is one of those
speaking of what we were just talking about, right?
Right.
And the Giants were like,
nah, no, we're good.
We can't do this, okay?
We absolutely cannot do this.
Released him mid-season last year.
Yes, yes.
Oh, yes, that's right,
because he went to the Vikings.
The Colts paying him $14 million.
Look, we knew that he was going to be the starter
right been in there.
You don't pay somebody $14 million in the NFL
not to start.
That's not what this is, right?
Those people wanted him to take Anthony Richardson's job,
and when he did not take Anthony Richardson's job, they gave it to him.
Right?
Now look, I believe you try this Anthony Richardson thing until it just don't work no more.
Okay?
He's just too talented.
He needs more reps to be the real lesson or the moral of the story with Anthony Richardson is,
if you need more reps, stay in college until you get the reps because there's no room
in the pros for you to get the reps.
That is another one, by the way, the amazing levels of Cam Newton is that Cam Newton
was a guy that needed the reps and got him in the NFL.
Right, and managed to make it work.
Richardson needs the reps, but people's jobs are on the line. They can't just be out here,
letting you get this practice. He does the hard things really well. He seems to struggle with the
easy things, and it seems abundantly clear that behind the scenes, they don't believe that he is
a professional. He does not comport himself maturely enough to get everything done. I don't know
if it's changed this offseason if he has been better, though everything they indicate says
that they think that he has gotten better. Right. Now, I say something in the
episode with Michael Smith that we did about black quarterback that I felt like Lamar Jackson
was the last black quarterback that truly had to overcome his blackness to get a chance,
right? And I think that's still largely true. However, and maybe this is not as much about being
a black quarterback as being a white quarterback. But the way that they are handling Richardson
feels familiar in some ways, but at the same time, we saw the thing that Richardson did
where he tapped out of that game. By the way, back to the, back to the Browns.
They tried to give this job to Joe Flacco. And he lost it. They had to give it back to Anthony
Richardson after they tried to get it. But the Browns were like, yeah, he can start for us.
He couldn't beat Anthony Richardson out, is what I'm saying. All right. But anyway,
giving up on Anthony Richardson at the beginning of year three, hmm, that feels a little dicey, right?
but the GTBW, good to be white of it all, is Daniel Jones is now in, if I am not mistaken,
year seven?
He's drafted in 2019, right?
Still approaching him with the level of optimism?
You still got hope in year seven, Daniel Jones, but you have given up on year three of quite
possibly the most physically talented quarterback that any of us have ever seen.
I don't get it. But again, to me, Anthony Richardson is going to get to play. I don't know when,
but he's going to get to play. Because the other guy is Daniel Jones. That's not,
y'all might as well to go back and got Jacoby percent again. Yeah, Andy Richardson is starting
to feel like the Steelers quarterback of 2026. That is right. That is right. That is right. But I'd say
it is. Say it again. Say it again. You knew. Look, you knew they was giving that job to Daniel Jones
when they gave him $14 million. But you knew they didn't believe in Anthony Richardson when
they weren't the ones to go get Tyler Huntley or to go get James Winston or to go get one of the many quarter blacks that would have bought you time.
Josh Johnson.
Yeah, all the black.
He's playing for somebody, by the way.
I want to say Washington.
Yeah, I saw him in Washington.
But there were blackups galore that they could have brought in.
Blackups galore.
And instead, cross your fingers about Daniel Jones.
All right.
Speaking of a gamble, Malik Beasley is no longer a target of a federal investigation.
His lawyers told ESPN, they.
had extensive conversations with the Eastern District of New York.
Quote months after this investigation commenced,
Malik remains uncharged.
It is not a target of this investigation.
And an allegation is with no charge, indictment or conviction should have never had the catastrophic consequence that has caused Malik.
This has been literally the opposite of presumption of innocence.
Sort of.
The presumption of innocence part has happened in that he has not been charged.
or sent to jail or any of those things.
The problem was you had to tell the world,
hey, this guy's under investigation for the shape of points,
you might not want to give him millions of dollars right now.
Right?
Yeah, what else are you going to do?
I don't know what anybody.
And he's right.
It's really messed up what happened to him.
You remember when Lyle Collins came out of LSU?
Yep.
And his ex-girlfriend had gotten killed.
And they just asked him questions about it,
but it was post-air.
From the first round and undrafted.
Right, but it was post Aaron Hernandez.
Yeah.
And so everybody, and the cops were like,
yo, we don't think he did it.
And they were like, hey, you never know.
Right.
So they all left him below.
That's where Beasley wound up.
Well, now all the money's gone.
I guess maybe he'll need to go to China, right?
I guess the people that might want to break his legs,
they can't do that in China.
I don't know nobody need to break his legs,
but we know that boy ain't got no money.
Like, this is a real, real.
What is he going to do?
I do think is a very, very, very fair question.
I am proud of the right time.
Because remember we had Tom Haberstrow all right after that.
And Haberstrow made it clear.
Like, no, he doesn't seem to be doing the point shaving behaviors.
Yeah.
You, yeah.
Haberner was on that very early.
But I want to know, though, how exactly he then wound up getting caught up.
Yeah, I'm not real.
I feel we have more questions and answers.
Like, like, just because you owe a bunch of people a bunch of money doesn't mean you reach the point of shaving points.
Correct.
All right.
So I get where his people are coming from.
I mean, they did him dirty.
That was a terrible situation that he wound up in,
but he still owes those people a lot of money.
Yeah, he's going to have to find some way to pay that bar with God.
I was about to say,
and now he's had to pay these people back,
you know what option for him is now off the table for getting that money?
Point shaving.
He can't do it.
Now he can't even do that.
I don't know what he ought to do.
He got to start moving bricks.
I got no idea.
He need to get this money fast.
So y'all just took right there go right fast.
His way of doing it, right?
All because y'all was being nosy.
All right.
Another news.
Big fight.
Big fight coming up this November.
Jake Paul is going to fight Dervante Davis in Atlanta.
They're going to fight on Netflix.
And the Jake Paul circus continues, Beau.
Yo, this is my only issue with this.
The numbers apparently are very high.
Like, money-wise, was going to be throwing around here.
Okay.
none of us think that Jake Paul has any chance
in an actual factual boxing match
with Javante Davis. None of us do.
Even with a very large size advantage that Jake Paul has.
None of us think.
No, yeah.
None of us think, right?
Like, we have seen...
Okay, I'll put it like this.
You have a huge size advantage over Floyd Mayweather, right?
Right.
Today's Floyd Mayweather, you still think.
He's still got something for you.
The issue is this.
I don't think that Davis, wow, I have to be honest with you.
I didn't realize he was this little.
No, he's a little.
I didn't.
Wow, I misunderstood.
Don't they call that boy Tank?
That's ironic.
Yeah. I think Tank is for sturdy, not for size.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But even then, damn, he only got to land a couple.
Like, this is all he's got to do is land a couple.
none of us think that Jake Paul can fight a real fighter.
Like we've seen him fight facsimiles of fighters, the shells of fighters.
But this is an actual factual fighter.
Like you think Jake Paul can land any punches against Davis?
Now, my question is this.
How hard is Davis allowed to hit this man?
Right?
Like, are we really doing this?
And how much money are you, like, does he owe gambler's money?
because I would think that an actual boxer would have too much dignity to engage in this.
You would think so.
That's what I would think.
But no, Jay, are people actually going to watch this one?
Like, I understood why people would watch the Mike Tyson one.
Because it's Tyson.
Yeah, and I think that that went beyond boxing and got to, like, interesting to the general public.
Is the general public going to find this interesting?
Yeah, I don't think, I don't think casual, even casual sports fans know who Devon says.
Yeah, I tell you this.
You know, my general feel is about being careful messing with them short people.
He is a short person who is also from Baltimore.
That's right.
You know who else you don't want to fight?
Mugsy Bowles.
A short person from Baltimore.
Ask my homie Rod about what happened.
The time somebody tried to press up all Mugsy Bokes.
All right.
Did I miss anything else?
This is our last one.
You missed the Internet's stupidest culture war.
There was a rebrand act.
Cracker Barrel, they changed the logo, they changed the inside decor, and people were mad.
So it's as quick as I can summarize the...
Yeah.
Okay.
So the long of the story, the long of the short is, the Cracker Barrel logo has a barrel and a white man in it.
They took the barrel and the white man out.
of the logo and now it's just yellow and it says cracker barrel. I saw a lot of the right wing
has attempted to use this to get to party cracking and like blame this on wokenness somehow.
Like they're basically a cracker barrel. Yeah, yeah. So basically what they're saying is,
is that like they took that white man out the logo and that is that that's where their problem
happened. Not the barrel, just a white man. Not the barrel, just a white man. You can't have no white man in
there. Well, I had a bigger problem with, and I don't, I don't care about Cracker Barrow. I don't know last time I went to a Cracker Barrow. What I found interesting about it is the larger continuation of every logo getting more and more boring. Right? Like, the new logo is just boring. It has no character to it, any of those things. I want to know, and I would love to see somebody throw this question, to the people complaining the loud is ask them all, when the last time you went to Cracker Barrow?
Just throw it out there.
When's the last time you went to Cracker Barrel?
Because I promise you, if you really like Cracker Barrow that much,
all you care about is if them pancakes don't hit.
You're going to Keep on going to Cracker Barrow.
Y'all ain't made a no Cracker Barrel, no time.
Well, you know, sometimes you're between, you know, two stops,
and that's your only option.
And either you're going to go hungry or you're going to go.
Yeah.
But I would just make this point.
At some point, we got to start ignoring these foods, right?
So people want to make this foolish argument.
We don't have to do the, this is nasty.
Taste this.
Right.
Like you don't have to do that.
Like I saw there was some video, some dude that was on his Instagram live and somebody
walked up and shot him and killed him.
And people were like retweeting it and then saying this should not be posted.
But here you go.
Guys.
Right?
Right.
Like creating the spread of it.
No, man.
At some point we got to let these people just be stupid and ignore the stupid things that
they do.
They are mad.
that Cracker Barrow changed. Also, had Cracker Barrel been losing, like, a whole lot of everything.
I can't imagine the market share of Crackle Barrel's been going up in the last 10 years.
No, what I'm saying? Like, apparently it's been going down, so they felt like they had to shake something up and make a change.
I don't know. Like, maybe if y'all have been going there and show him more respect to that white man in that barrel at the time, we wouldn't be here.
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