The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Domonique Foxworth on Giants' QB Problem, Josh Allen Is Unleashed & the Nikole Hannah-Jones backlash | 09.24

Episode Date: September 24, 2026

Bomani Jones is joined by Dominique Foxworth for a wide-ranging Foxworth Thursday covering the biggest stories around the NFL and a heated debate over Nicole Hannah-Jones’ recent essay about school choice. Bomani and Dominique start with the New York Giants’ quarterback situation and the difficult question facing the franchise: if they need another QB, who can they realistically get? They also discuss Josh Allen and the Buffalo Bills opening up their offense, why Allen looks more dangerous when Buffalo embraces his aggressiveness, and whether the Bills have finally found the right formula around their star quarterback. The guys also break down Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs looking like themselves again, Eric Bieniemy’s impact since returning to Kansas City, the Baltimore Ravens’ struggles, Cam Ward and the increasingly tense situation around the Tennessee Titans, and the pressure facing several teams early in the NFL season. Plus, Bomani and Dominique discuss Lamar Jackson’s unique contract situation, why NFL agents still provide value, and why Broncos cornerback Riley Moss deserves more respect. Later, the conversation shifts to Nicole Hannah-Jones’ essay reflecting on her decision to send her daughter to a Brooklyn public school. Bomani and Dominique examine the intense reaction to the piece, the difficult tradeoffs Black parents can face when choosing schools, the balance between academic opportunity and cultural belonging, and why the conversation has produced criticism from very different corners of the internet.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is Foxworth. Thursday. I got to figure something out, man. You deserve something clever on the way. Yeah, we had the perfect alliteration.

I didn't even come up with that. They came up with Foxworth Friday that summer on high noon where I had the brilliant idea to use my vacation to take every Friday all summer. Yep. And that motherfucker Pablo made me miss Chan Bailey's Hall of Fame induction because they wasn't ready on time. No.

Yeah. So I just was, it wasn't his fault. just I blame him, but I was doing every Friday because you weren't there and a lot of people couldn't tell a difference. So I would think it was Fridays and I was supposed to be flying a can miss my flight, Miss Champ's celebration, but that's all right. I'll tell you this, though, when I had come up with that plan, I'd never forget, old boss called me about it. Anytime I was, I had a ridiculous about a vacation when I worked there. Keep you real, I have a ridiculous about a vacation now, but I had a ridiculous about a vacation when I worked there and I don't believe in leaving that on the

table. So whatever I put that, because here's what the issue was. The thing was, because I did a TV show and a podcast, just because the TV show wasn't on didn't mean it wasn't a work day for me. So I was getting all the off days from TV and all my off days. And he would come to me and be like, you know, we talked about this before. And I'm trying to figure out, are you sure your contract? Yes, I'm positive. And I took a whole summer Fridays off. And those are the original Foxworth Fridays. And now we got Fox, we have Friday. Now we got Foxworth Thursday. We got Foxworth Thursday. got a lot of NFL to talk to the people, but we are also, perhaps, depending on my mood, going to delve into the story that got the pewters, Putin, that damn Nicole had a Jones.

I can't imagine how happy she was that that story about the lesbians wearing masks came up. I ain't even had a chance. Have you read it yet? Yeah, I read that one. Okay, I haven't read it. Well, we might get to that too because I had somebody sent it to me, but I didn't have time to read it. But anyway, we actually have NFL football that we can discuss. like this is a weird week to kind of decide where to go first.

But before I came and sat down in this chair, I saw them on the TV asking if the New York Giants need to go get a quarterback. And I think that's such an amazing story because the answer is obviously yes, but the answer also is who? Who are you talking about? They can go. Well, I mean, they can't pull Russ off the booth, out the booth or off the desk. And if they could, it'd be the same as having James.

Yeah. We learned that last year. That is very true. I don't know who the quarterback. I mean, you could trade for somebody, I guess. I don't think you won't, J.J. McCarthy. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know who's out there, especially now that everybody need a quarterback.

I mean, Marcus Marriota would have been a great option. He's a very good backup. But Washington, they know they need a serviceable backup. Because they know he's going to be used multiple times a year. I don't know where you go looking for a quarterback who ain't hurt. Well, Kansas City has just. Justin Fields, right? Yeah.

Except the problem is, nah, dog, that's not. I mean, I want it for him to. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, it's. It ain't happening, man. It ain't happening, man.

You might have to do some real adventurous shit. Jalen Milrow, Indy up there in Seattle. Yeah, they up in Seattle. But that's again, they down a quarterback. They don't want to get, like, they're down to one quarterback now.

They move on from Milro. Well, hold on. Well, Darnell looks like he's about to come back, it sounds like. maybe you could go get Drew Locke. Yeah, that's possible. But I did it's too late for that one. If you have got, yeah, it's too late.

If you are a team that believes that you are a championship contender, your quarterback just went down and you have a quarterback who's demonstrated he can do the same thing that the other guy did. You ain't about to move on that, move on from him for some picks. You got a shot at a chip. The Broncos might have been able to trick somebody into J. Stittle, but they played the playoff game. game last year and we watched it. We synced it. Would Arizona consider moving off at Jacoby percent? They're not trying to win. That's true. But I have literally no idea. I like, I hate

what the dolphins are doing, but I like that Arizona and the Jets are both obviously going to draft the quarterback in the coming draft, but they have serviceable guys in there making sure the team is getting better. You can't throw a whole, it just don't work in football. You can't just throw a whole year away and drop a great quarterback in and think it's going to fix things who may not even be great. So like I think part of the card those plans are,

let's have a guy here so these guys know how to play. Like you can't just show up and have these guys just all of a sudden protect the quarterback. Well, can he coach wide receivers? Yeah, that's the issue, man. Yo. So for those. Hold on what, what's the rules on this, though?

I need to know the rules. You set the rules on the previous situation. You know what's so funny is right before you said that, I was prepared to say that guy's first, last name, and the qualifier. And what thing Dominique appreciates about doing the show is I make sure that we keep out of trouble. Dominique just returned a favor in a bigger way than he could possibly imagine. But for those of you who don't know, is this dude that went to Ohio State that many of us thought was going to be an all pro right away.

Now, my guy Tyler Dunn has said that in the draft, there were red flags that people ignored. I don't know what they are because I didn't hear anybody mention any of them in front of anybody, but the guy now plays for the Arizona Cardinals. His name doesn't really matter, right? The point is, can we call him junior? Can we just call him junior?

You can do what you want. I'm not, I'm not going to. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the bottom line is he stinks. like he really, and we've been, this is year three of it. And all those Ohio state receivers that are in the league right now killing it,

the best one while in college was this one. And his dad has quite the reputation. Hall of Fame on and off the field. Yes, yes, yes. There's a, there's a Peewee Kirkland vibe, shall we say. And the bottom line is, this boy is no good. And everybody, anybody saying they saw it coming down,

I'm seriously like, where were you? Because I didn't hear none of this in 2020. I revisited some of the draft evaluations and was looking to find what the weaknesses were and see if those weaknesses matched up. And I was one who fell into the trap also where I was like this immediately saves your quarterback, immediately makes everyone better.

He's perfect, can't miss. But I think these, These were the only evaluation that I ever remember in the history of my life. I can send them to you. That under weaknesses said none. Literally, like literally, it said none. I can find them and send them to you. That's a thing that actually happened, which is absolutely insane.

Everyone has weaknesses. Like, in order to have strengths to be good at something, you've got to be bad at something else, but not him. He was perfect at everything. and it ain't panned out. Hey, man. That draft, I'm looking at it right now what the top six of that draft was. And it's actually,

it looked like it was going to be really strong. And overall, it's been pretty good. Caleb Williams, Jaten, Daniels, Drake May, 18. That's his number, right? 18. Joe Alt, Amelique Neighbors. But the margins in the NFL

at Finn. Neighbors case seemed to stay healthy. They telling me that Alt been getting bulldozed out there. this year. Drake May, I saw you talking about it on your show when I talked about some of that here. I made the hot take on here. I don't think he's going to get an extension before next season. I just like it because if he doesn't play well, he's not going to go for the money that they're offering. It's going to be more worth it. But you, you, it's not, it's not cause for optimism. Jayton Daniels look good before he got hurt like that. And Caleb Williams, we're still betting a lot

betting on potential a lot with that guy. Yeah. And I don't know. It must be a different situation. So you said a bunch that I want to hit on. The Patriots, they better sign that man to that extension. Stop playing around. Also, Bob Graham is cheap.

Yeah, that's true. Price going to go up. You better sign that man. Hold on. What if he stinks all year? If he stinks all year, we got a different situation. I think that you need to convince yourself that it's not all his fault and sign that man to extension.

Trevor Lawrence, basically. Go right ahead and do it. And Trevor Lawrence has been awesome up until last week. Yeah, that team has a chance to win with that guy. Go ahead and go into that wilderness again. And I'm just a coward maybe in the way I think about this, but when I get a little sniff, a good quarterback play, I'm paying up, boy.

I'm paying up because I can't imagine. Because I cover all the teams. So, like, I know you just got to talk to some of these other fan bases. talk to these coaches. That's the where you really get it. When you talk to former coaches and you talk about their teams and how it don't matter

if they don't got that guy. And the guys who never had that guy are furious or anybody who act like they can survive without a guy. But what if he's not that guy? A guy. How about that? Yeah. You can win a Super Bowl with a guy. You can keep a job for a decade with a guy.

You can't do none of that. Yeah. Yeah, we did just it. You know, people like, like I'm the only one that thinks this. Like, I have these people saying my refusal to let go of by priors on Sam Darnold. Nah, nah, no, brother. That's not what I was happening. I, I, so Sam Darnel was awesome in that playoff game against the Rams. And he had awesome stretches.

But I did, we were doing these simulcasts on ESPN where there was like, they would have the game happening. And then the regular broadcast. And then on the side, we do like a film nerd broadcast of the game. and I was doing that broadcast of the Seahawks against the 49ers. And so when we do that, we got the All-22 and we're checking it back and forth all the time and talking about it.

They was hiding that man in their most important game of the season. They were playing for a first round by, and they wouldn't let that man throw the ball anywhere. And he tried to throw it away one time. And then a couple weeks later, he went nuts on the Rams and balled out. So like both the things are true. like, of course, he does have that high, high level. And even he was disappointed in his Super Bowl play.

He does have that high, high level and ability. But most of the time, that ain't him. Like, that's, this is true. It's not wrong or wrong. It's just a fact. I appreciate you, bro. I needed that. Sometimes your boy need a little backup.

You know what I'm saying? Oh, it's switched gear just a little bit if you don't mind. How impressive you've been by the Buffalo Bills. Because I feel like I've watched decent bits of them playing so far. And it is Minnesota. hour. The middest is he does look like the MVP this year. I don't know about

that thing last year. I mean, that couple, you read a couple years ago when they ran that game. He looked like he going to run away with it this year. There's no deliberation. There's no analysis necessary. There's no conversation with that man doing out there right now. It's clear to me that

him and Joe Brady was having secret text messages like this motherfucker, McDermick, can't take the reins off me, man. Right? Like, is that not the most obvious thing ever that they was like,

this defensive coach is trying to protect his bad defense by having us be conservative. Fuck that. We go outscore everybody. And whatever issues you have with turnovers, like, it's part of it is the way we think about Josh Allen. Some of it is still like the reason why he got better was when they started to turn down the aggressiveness.

And you assume that he, never can, like, completely tame it. And then you have that issue on week one where he hits Lassiter in the chest with the ball. You're like, see, see. But the fact that the matter is, if you turn up the risk profile, there are going to be more turnovers. But there was a point where it was one to one. It felt like there was like turnover worthy plays versus explosive was one to one for

Josh Allen. Now it feels like you turn up that risk profile. It's like, I'm going to get four amazing, five, six amazing plays. for every one possible turnover. And the way they do their calculus, and I think it's probably fair, is we better off winning that way than thinking we can play a regular game

the way that this defense has been showing up the last couple of seasons. The problem, the pushback is you look at the playoff game that they lost, and it was Josh turning the ball over because he was trying to do too much. Do you also notice, by the way, the Keion Coleman's back on the field? I did. They like him now? Yeah, well, in line with what you were just saying, what if the real problem was one guy?

And by the way, if there is anybody that you would expect that McDermott would not like, that guy's at the top of the list. Now, it sounds like he's somewhat complicit. I don't want to pretend as though he was getting picked on necessarily. But after the owner embarrassed him, after they fired the coach last year and was like, hey, man, they said they wanted him, man.

Like, what you want me to do? we have forgotten how messy that Pagula handled that whole situation and how convoluted and confusion it was. With the general manager getting, remember we thought the general manager was going to get fired instead he got promoted? And he defended it by pointing to Keon Coleman and then saying that he had nothing to do with it and that we had tapes of it.

And it was like, this is like confusing. But this is when like it's always easier to either tell the truth or say nothing. Because like when you try to like spin it, it's like you don't remember. remember all the things. It's just hard to do. But anyway, it's possible that he could get better. It's possible that the situation around him involving the coach was part of the problem. And it's also like, you think about the quirky guys in NFL. I hadn't thought about this until just now. I'm like going through it in my head. That don't really work on defense. Who's the quirky defensive player?

Like on offense. Well, well, I just mean defensive coaches don't like that. Yeah, well, I think there are two things, right? I think that also the quirky guy quietly is Miles Garrett. But like I think part of it is that coaches don't like it. I also think the defense is just not a quirky place. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. That's what I'm saying.

There's like there's no room for it. And Miles Garrett, I wouldn't even say I give Miles Garrick eccentric, not quirky. Like Miles Garrett is not up there like doing this shit on sale. I like cookies, like doing, like that shit. Miles Garrett is like, I like comic books or whatever. And maybe this song I'm listening to ain't what you expected from me type of thing. But yeah, it don't work on defense, man. It's just not a, it's funny how it sorts for personality.

And I was, I think I might have told you this before that I was, I was surprised as I got older and started to realize that football is a conservative sport. And I didn't realize that like it controls for a little bit more conservative personality-wise people. And like I always thought of myself. It's like, I'm the cool guy. And I realized that I looked around. I was like, no, I'm not. I'm boring as shit. And that's why I play this game because I like it.

I like the structure. It's not basketball or it's free flow. And it's like, you do this right now. Don't do nothing else. My thing about football or the sorting is the drastically different person, of offensive linemen and defensive linemen. Cool. Those offensive linemen, by and large, big old teddy bears.

It really is, it really is true. They're typically thoughtful. They have like a protective inclination about Saturday. Yeah, yeah. Now every now and then you look at those clips, and it's kind of funny, like my good buddy and your former teammate, George Foster. I was looking at his draft field. It's hilarious watching him just discard people.

Like it's nuts. And it's completely out of line. with the human being that I actually know. He's such an one of the nicest people that you'll ever be. No one has ever said that about a defensive tackle, right? Even a dude like Gerald McCoy, he real cool, but it ain't the nicest dude you ever met. It's not how it was that doesn't attract those guys.

Offensive linemen consider themselves nasty, but they aren't like defensive linemen. Office of linemen are nasty, dirty, like they don't clean well and that sort of stuff. And they like, they encourage each other to like finish plays and fight. you will have these things with Jeff when he does the pancakes on Get Up where nothing makes him more excited than watching somebody dominate somebody and then rub it on them afterwards.

They're very into that sort of thing. But I'd say the difference between offensive and defensive linemen is offensive linemen are doing a job. Yes. Defensive linemen are being themselves. Right? It's like D-Lyman through most of their life, they have to fight the urge to be defensive.

offensive lineman in daily day-to-day life. Offensive alignment are normal guys who are like, all right, I got a job to do. I'm going to fuck this motherfucker up and then I'm going to rub his face in it. And then I'm going to shake his hand after the game. And I'm going to be fine. I did my job. I'm going to carry my kids. I'm going to be sweet and kind to my wife and thoughtful.

Like, this is offensive alignment. The lineman, they are doing that every other hour. They're not playing football. They're like, all right, yes. Got to be kind. Got to be nice. Got to be patient. Then they go into a football field and they're like,

whew, I can meet me. The other thing about defensive live, it is they are pursuing people with the ball. Yeah. Which adds, that's the little hot sauce on the whole situation, right? Like, I have someone who, like, the goal of me destroying is completely different.

Yeah. Oh, man. Wow, that was funny. I mean, all the positions, though, like, you can go through it. All the positions, there are, like, different personality types that make you for that position. And like I think people are most familiar with like the cornerback personality.

There's a arrogance and cockiness that is required to survive in a situation where you are designed to fail and know what you to succeed. That's why all cornerbacks, you could pick them out. They got on all the jewels and the most patterns and everything you need. They are doing it. Hey, man. For reasons, I mean, I get it. I guess it's a little, it's okay this time because it's kind of the same time. zone, but the Cowboys

and the Ravens are playing down there in Rio and Buddy, I can't imagine how disappointed it is for them boys that's like, we go in Rio and they're like, you're not going outside. Think your big ass can't get got. Yes, you can. Yes, you can. And not only, like, they ain't going to kill you.

They'll just simply kidnap your big ass and barter with you in order to get you back. However, it should be some fireworks on Copacabana Beach. And by that, I mean, Shelby Water Ravens will not score 50 points on the Make a Wish Foundation of the Dallas Cowboys. Maybe the only argument they have is that the field conditions supposedly are not great. They use that place a bunch and those soccer fields are not designed for the type of force that football players put on it

and they already beat up for the number of games they play on it. So that is the one thing that gives me paused about thinking that there's not going to be some sort of shootout. because the Ravens defense ain't getting pressure in deck and those receivers are a problem. Yeah, I tell you this, though, if the Ravens are going to get 50 points, apparently they better get them in three quarters because they ain't got nothing for you in no fourth. What is this? Yeah, as people, I think, are unfair about the Derek Henry analysis out of this. It's like they stopped giving the ball to Derek Henry in the second half,

and I think the stats are obviously true. But in the second half, they couldn't really stop the Saints, so they didn't get the ball back, but four times their first year. drive was a 14 play drive. You can't criticize that. Their last drive was a two minute drill. And one of their other two drives started on first and 15. Like, when you're supposed to give Derek Henry the ball? It's not like you just made bad decisions the whole time. It just, you don't have the opportunity. So I wish I had an understanding for why this happened. But missing those receivers, I think, cost them a bunch of points in that game. You can point to three or four

plays where a higher quality receiver would have changed the outcome. But I'm really disappointed in the defense. After what I thought, when I saw week one, I thought was really impressive and Jesse Mentor was leading them in the right direction. You didn't see that same impact in the second game. That was the problem to me. Hey, man, where are you on this Mahomes thing after watching them play like that? I mean, it was against the cults, but it was still looking vintage.

Well, it's only going to get worse when he go against Miami. But, I mean, I was back-to-back-down years. is just crazy. And I thought it was going to happen in part because I didn't think my homes is going to be back. And I thought that they were just like, let's not rush my homes back. We're going to take our time and we'll use this as because it's like an excuse here. You've got a gap here.

Yeah, soft rebuild. Yeah, it's a soft rebuild. We get us a high draft pick and the best draft that we've seen in forever. And we'll be fine. But, nah, this is real and it seems serious. The explosive plays were back in the passing game. the running game is back. I think we haven't yet, but I think are going to end up giving a lot of credit

to Eric B. enemy. The problem is what he's going to do with that credit. He's not going to go get a job, right? He has found his place. You know, like, it's kind of like when Lindsay Hunter was in the NBA, and I don't know if you remember, but Lindsay Hunter, hell, he had a box longer than most people had a box, haircut, that is. And then he went and cut that box, And you realize, no, man, you're supposed to rock the box all the way through,

but the box ain't in style no more. I understand you, right? Like, you want to be hip. You want to do the cool thing. But you're supposed to have a box. That just, that, that, that, you, you found your thing and it works for you. And Eric Biedemies box is working for the Kansas City Chiefs. Like, it seems that there within that system is everything is set up, everything goes right for him.

I know that he wanted the big job. I get it. But literally the entire league does not think that, that, that, he should have it. And then he went and tried to prove it and it didn't prove it. And it didn't work. And it didn't work. But he's back here. And now they're out here running. Like that's as we talk about Kenneth Walker. Eric B. Enemy is a running back coach. And that is the thing that he's really good at.

And yeah, they look like they got the attitude that was missing when he left. And people, many people pointed that out. Like, why aren't you talking more about the fact that Bianney left? And it looks like we should have been talking more about the fact that Bianney left. It's funny because I think we need like two pieces of evidence. We needed them to be worse without him, but we needed him to have success elsewhere to be like, y'all missed him. But what you don't realize is like, yeah, we still took it out.

And because it did, because that puzzle piece didn't fit wherever else we put it, doesn't mean that they aren't missing it. And they have that benefit with Eric B. Enemy now. And it seems like Steve Spagnolo also, like don't want to leave. And it's coaching his ass off and really helps that team stay,

yeah, stay together. And I think the last thing I'll say about BNami is I think it's, the running game's important, but also sometimes people pay lip service and just say like the cliche thing, but apparently he's the accountability guy. Yeah. And that type of culture is something that's hard to replace. And I think you see James Winston bring some value to a team,

even if we don't think so. It ain't going to be playing quarterback, but it's like the cultural part of that, I think it matters to have guys that bring joy, guys that bring accountability because it permits. When Eric B. Enemy is the one saying it all the time. It reminds other people to say it. It reminds other people to live it.

It is amazing that James Winston has managed to outrun his past to become a lovable vibes guy. Mm-hmm. It is. It is wow. I mean, wow. It's not that amazing, is it? Well. I guess normally you have to play well enough for people.

people. It is amazing the way that he's gone about it. Yes. And he's gone about it because the lane that he has occupied is the Ryan Fitzpatrick lane. The difference is Ryan Fitzpatrick was the seventh round pick. And so like the fact that he

got on it all was kind of cool. And then it's kind of like, oh, look at this guy. And now he'd be, uh, goddamn jumping off of jumping on the tables and all of this stuff. Right. Like, like he's become that guy. James ain't even got to do that. Right? like Fitzpatrick got to go to extra mile.

James just got to show up and talk gobbledy gook. And it just entertains people. Yeah, it's spray. And he makes people feel good. Yeah, that's the number one smile guy. That guy. I saw James, I remember seeing some of the stuff that he was doing and being made a little bit uncomfortable at first.

Like, are they making fun of all of us? Or just James. And then I watched it up up. No, no, no. It's just James. This is James. You go ahead, do your thing, James. It makes him happy.

He's making fun of himself for the crab legs. Other accusations I don't think you can make jokes about. No, he cannot. No, he cannot. He's having fun. He's doing his thing out there. And they love him until now. It's serious.

Yeah, it's serious. But, hey, man, everybody knows they're about to be winning shit, man. This is going to be a hell of a test, though, because they play against maybe the worst team in captivity in the Titans. and if I'll be jump on this before we go because I'm just saying that but the Eagles played it down to the wire against the Titans but if the Giants lose this game they've got a stretch risk the Titans

is some other bums and then it's the commandos I think the other bums may be the dolphins like I mean it's like it's somebody today should be right or at least I mean I don't know if they should be at this moment but they were really setting up to be like four and one and now if they lose these for though that that next set again games, boy, it's just going to be sadness around there.

Because that boy, Harleball ain't had like a terrible season before. He ain't never been without a quarterback. Like he went, I mean, Flacco, he went from Flacco to Lamar. And he was his first year, I think it was Flacko's first year too. Yes. And they like surprised people were better than they expected. And then he went from Blacko to Lamar. It's a good life to be.

And of course, there were some injuries along the way, but not like week two out for the season. Yeah. And even when you have not that great season, there's something about knowing that it's over. So, like, you can go week to week thinking you got a chance and still lose and the emotions of the place will, like, stay in the middle range. There's something about when your quarterback gets hurt and then you start to lose

and get your ass kicked. Yeah. There's like no hope. Because if you lose and get your ass kick, your quarterback's healthy, you come back in and you're like, hey, we made some of the last. mistakes, but we can clean it up. Yeah. Tell me this before we go. Have you been peeping the contentious nature of some of these Cam Ward press conferences with the Titans? And people just, you know, like, why do you think, why do you think that you're good enough to pop? I forget what exactly that

question was, but they've come back at him. He is a dude that projects the confidence in a way that you would expect a two-star recruit who had to go to incarnate Word and Washington State and all these places to get himself to be the number one pick. Like, I don't, I don't find him to, be arrogant. But I definitely believe that he is quite self-assured. And it's a couple reporters there that are not here for that shit at all. I've never seen a press corps more directly ask a guy to explain why he thinks he's good. He was like the darling at first. If you remember when he first got there, it was- If we keep it at a buck, we ask. Yeah, but even before that, all the stories were like, he's extra early guy. He's an extra time guy. Like, this is the type of leader.

He's taking people to the side, blah, blah, blah, and keeping it buck we ask. Like, we like that. They didn't like it, but we like that. I don't know what's happened between him and them that shifted this, yeah, shifted the tide against him. But you're right, they hit them with these hard-ass questions and then follow it up with a harder one. I'm saying this. They ain't doing that unless somebody on the team told them something that made them feel like this is okay and appropriate.

It's the only way. I've never seen, but I've never seen anything like this with your number one, overall pick in his second year. And the numbers on him were bad. I felt like when I saw him last year, he looked okay. And the film guys seemed to back up the idea that it wasn't so bad. The numbers were eternally bad. But we're also seeing Jared Gough being an example, maybe even Sam Darnel, that these guys

who put up all-time bad rookie numbers are not as doomed as we used to think. Like there's a Josh Rosen out here, obviously. But there seems to be more room for guys to get it together. But they are. I just, I'm like, damn, what are you, what is this team saying and feeling about you? They're in bad shape there. It doesn't feel good. They really needed that win.

That would have helped a lot if they were to pull it off that upset and they had it in hand. But yeah, the talent is there. But yeah, it's the inconsistency. And it doesn't see like he's getting a bunch of help from the players or the coaches around him. But that's not, I mean, that's not to absolve him. Like, he, he, he, he's an ass also. Yeah. Coming up next, we got a couple games teams playing for these seasons.

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Would you be willing to see your family go to peace? some ways it already has. Listen to Underground Zero on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. All right, we are back with Dominique Foxworth, Colts and Texans. Normally 0-2 dooms your season, but when your whole division got one win, the whole division got one win. But I feel like if the Colts go down to 0 and 3, that's over, right? I saw no cause for optimism for them for them from the beginning because it's Daniel Jones comma coming off in Achilles tier.

Daniel Jones is enough for me. Midway through the season last year, when they started to fall off before Daniel Jones got hurt, they made that ultra-aggressive trade for sauce gardener and then went on to not win any more football games. It felt like it was over for them. and then Carly Ursa is essentially saying, your ass is on the line this year, like publicly in a way that most team owners

don't while standing on the sideline with bedazzle earpieces. It's just that feels like, and then go 0 and 2 and put up a good fight against the Chiefs. Like that's again, it's another team that really needed that win. You really needed that win. And yeah, they're in a bad spot. She's not going to leave that sideline, which I think is hell of uncomfortable. but I am shocked by how many people are acting like this is normal behavior.

So the story on it last year was that she was new to the job. And so she needed to be on the headset to hear what was going on and get an idea of this, that, and the third. And I think there seemed to be a certain charm to the story. Her father had just died. And I think a novelty to the idea that there's a woman that's an owner and in a bit more of a hands-on capacity. Yeah. This is meddling.

There's no other, like I don't, can you imagine if Jerry Jones is on the sideline with the headsets on? Like it's bad enough when Jerry Jones pull up with like the Prince of Saudi Arabia and he just hanging out down there, right? Like her there in like while people are talking and everything else, people thought it was good when they were winning. But then they lost all the games. So my question was at what point were people going to look at this and say, hey, this isn't, I don't think that this is the way that an owner should comport themselves in a game. And I mean, and I think it's obvious that this is, what is it helping?

Because it's not like she's making suggestions to do anything to help. All she doing is being over their shoulders. Yeah, I think that there's easy arguments. I agree with you. It's not something that I think is cool. There's easy arguments to make for why it's okay. It's like so often, the defense for her would be

so often the decisions are made by, the input that you receive, which is normally skewed by one person or another. And so, like, that's a fair assessment. It's like so many coaches have been fired because the GM is closer with the coach and they, with the owner and they maintain their jobs. Like, I get the idea of wanting to know exactly for yourself what's going on, but there's also, like, you kind of got to have to have some trust and step back. And I also understand that when you're hiring someone, you need to know, like, what you're

hiring for. And there's no better way than to be on the sidelines and see what's happening and listen in to everything in a way that would allow you to learn what's going on with the team and make some sort of decision and understand what you need to have success, right, because you're there on the sideline. But you have to do it in a way that does not affect them. It doesn't like there wasn't a mistake that they were on camera, right? Yeah. I get the idea that you want to know exactly what is happening so that you can know what type of coach you're hiring for. Like, that makes sense. But you have to do it in a way that I feel like is not impacting the team.

And to your point, there's so many things that you have to read into that wouldn't happen without encouragement or permission. And, like, they highlighted her in the Monday night broadcasts. They don't do that unless somebody was like, hey, you know what? Let's talk about it. Like, they had a package ready to talk about how involved she is. It is like. Meanwhile, their season's about to be over that will probably result in, I don't know about the coach being fired.

I don't know how Ballard has stretched this out as far as he has. And he missed on the quarterback. I wouldn't give up all the way. You never know. But hey, he missed. He missed on the quarterback pick. And then the Texans, they're weird, man. I think that's the only way to put it right now.

We all thought they had the quarterback. And then the playoffs happened last year. And we don't know if they have the quarterback. back. Like he's the example I'm making with Drake May that they came out of that year and they were like hey, fellows, we don't know. We're going to think about it a little bit.

I, the problem with this one, though, is it feels so, so obvious that you can't get a clean look at him because of, like, of all the situations in football, I don't know one that seems more obvious that like, you ain't

helping my guy at all. Like, they've been trying to fix this. They haven't been trying, honestly. Like, they've been needing to fix this O line for three years now. And then as receivers keep getting hurt, it just feels like the defense has been great. And the coordination of the offense has not been consistent. Like, this to me, and maybe he also isn't great. And, of course, there are certain quarterbacks that are so good that they will at least

make this mediocre. He's not that. But it seems nuts to me to think that you feel like you'd be better off without him. I don't know where you're getting the next one from because you're going to start. The clock's going to have to go back to zero. Right. And your team is ready right now. Like that defense is ready right now.

I don't know what else you would do. And that's part of the decision when we are assessing these quarterbacks is people want to talk about them in isolation and like, is this guy worth that much? It's like, no, is this situation worth that much? And to me it is. Yeah. Now, Rams and Denver, I think it's two teams and very strong. divisions make your one and two lands different playing where they will you know playing in the divisions that they play in the Rams you know is Pooca going to play it doesn't sound like he's going

to which means they may be out there running that that one that was it 13 with the one running back and three tight ends and one wide receiver which works even if it feels mad high school it seems to have worked and then Denver on the other side you know just count down the days till Sean Taylor I mean excuse me Sean Peyton just can't help himself and give me that back. Give me that. Give me that. Give me the car. Give me the fucking car. I would like the lie detector test for how he actually feels

where shit goes bad for that offense. Because a little part of I'm like, see, see what I'm saying. But yeah, I don't know how this, without just Devonthe out there and Pat Sertan can handle that assignment as crazy as that sounds. He can have that assignment. The 13 personnel is going to be tough to win. going up against the Broncos who want to play a lot of man coverage, you're going to have to run the ball successfully

because you're not getting open with three tight ends on the field if they just go nickel the whole time, which I think they probably will play nickel against that. That's just not going to work. And Sean McVeigh, as smart as he is, you're going to have to pick some shit out because I don't like that matchup for them unless they can run the hell out of the ball. Hey, before I forget about it, man, our guy got an interception last week for the Bronco.

Riley Moss. Let me tell you something I noticed, man. Because I was watching that and I saw him get the interception. And, you know, they was out here. He was getting racially profiled by the referees all the time last year, all of this. And our boy, Coop, Coop get all the props. Coop de Jean get all the props. But he out there playing in the middle.

Riley got the hard job. He on the outside and he's on the other side of CERTAN. So, you know, they milk checking them all day long. And so I decided I wanted to get me a Riley Moss jersey. I'm an ally, right? Like I'm trying to show him that I'm down, show with this society. it would be on one hand, I don't really so much approve of having a white man name on my back

on the other hand, I already got one, right? So, you know, I was going, I was thinking about checking it out, man. I went to the website and it was telling me that I needed to special order a Riley Maher's jersey if I wanted one. They didn't already have none pressed up. And that tells me everything I need to know about white people, man. How in the world

y'all got y'all a real live pioneer out here. He's trying to hold it down for every single one of y'all and is y'all holding the back? Y'all don't even want to encourage him. Y. Y, give him no problems. Let him be a little five foot A wide receiver for the Patriots. You buy that shit up in a minute. This cat out here trying to do the thing y'all say he can't do. And I can't even show him support the way y'all want to because y'all ain't even going to show him support the way he deserves because now that shit costs too much money. I'd be trumpeting that pioneer every chance I get on TV especially celebrating him because I do

think he's a really good corner. And yes, he gives up a lot of passing appearances. but they make this motherfucker play man coverage all game because Pat can do it. Nobody else does this in the NFL. No one else plays man coverage as much as Riley Moss, and he makes plays. Of course, he's going to get a little penalty every now and then. You know why? Because Pat's on the other side.

And they don't roll the safety over. They don't do nothing. And I'm speaking from experience as a man who played opposite Champ Bailey in Denver. The ball floated a little faster and high up there, too. And don't nobody want to go over there. one of the years I played opposite champ. I think he got targeted 50 times and had eight interceptions. So yeah, you got to go the other way.

And I'm going to get some penalties. I'm going to give up some points, but I'm going to play well. And I think Riley Moss is even better than I was. And Riley's going to, they're not going to be able to afford him. And he's going to go somewhere else and be a damn star because they're going to be like, hey, we're going to throw it at you half as much. And we're going to let you play zone every now and then a little cover two for my man. Every once in a while, let him chill.

and then he's going to become a hero when he re-signed, not re-sign, when he signs somewhere else as a free agent. What black coach is going to bring him in and treat him like he deserved? You know what I'm saying? And in fact, that's what he got right now.

He got Vance Joseph. That's the only reason why he's starting because we know that it ain't the color of your skin that determines the content of your football ability. Big Fagio with a little bit side like they did Cooper. Yeah, they brought Cooper in as a corner. They couldn't wait to make him a safety nickel. He'll never be outside no more.

They don't never lay them outside no more. They do the white boys like they do brothers when they go to college. And they're like, yeah, you'll get a chance to play quarterback. And the second your daddy goes home, you are 15 yards back off the line of scrimmage. Hands on your quad. Learning protections. None of that. That's why Lamar Jackson, Mama had to stick around.

That time they tried to sit her back there to run back that put. Nuts. That's, I mean, Lamar, I think I've talked. to you about this contract situation. That's something that would never happen if he had a traditional agent. I just don't know why people are so insistent upon acting like this is a good idea. I just don't, like, there's a reason these, they're not all, like, agents are actually not the bad guys in the game.

It's the financial advisors and those cats you really got to worry about. The agents save you a lot of stress, man. The situation that he's in now, the power and leverage that he has now is something at another agent wouldn't have negotiated for. He would have already signed another contract. And so that's the thing is like, the agents, their relationship with the,

with the teams is such that they're not going to be holding out. Eventually they go back and say, Lamar is the best we're going to do. And he's like, nah, I want a no trade, no franchise, and we'll figure out what I'm going to do. He got more power to anybody else.

Well, hold up. You are correct when you put it in those terms. However, I do know there's at least one agent who would have pulled that off. I don't even know what his name is. I just know who his client is. That's true. Kurt Cussons. Whoever, whoever rep that man,

I don't really understand how don't everybody rep him. But it's because Kurt lived in this like middle. That would have never happened. Nobody wanted to pay Kurt what he thought he deserved. That's why he got to where he got. Well, nobody wanted to pay him what he deserved. But at the same time, he was willing to roll it all the way out. Yeah.

Right. And so I guess that was my thing with Lamar is, I would not, the leverage he has is great. I would rather have the stability of already having this done or whatever. Like, I just feel like, I feel like there's a swirl of drama around his interactions with the team that does not have to be that way. And I'm not sure serves him, even though I think in the end it'll get him a bunch of money. You might be right. But I think I was only bringing this up because the point that you were making is like, it shapes who someone is,

like the early experience of being a quarterback that I'm sure nobody wanted to play quarterback is like, I can't trust these motherfuckers. And you know what these ages are? They ain't nothing, but these motherfuckers in different color suits. And I get it, I understand it. But anyway, he's going to be fine.

He's going to make a bunch of money and play wherever the hell you want to play and may or may not win a Super Bowl. But his career, he's going on. My thing is clear, they don't have a built-out infrastructure, right? Like they don't have anybody whose job it is to call people back. And look, I know I'm not great at calling people back.

Like, we was ready to march on the white man and during the draft. And they was like, brother, we kept trying to call. Man, anybody called back. Maybe it was on purpose. Meena and I wrote a piece on him, a positive piece on him, where I said he was the best quarterback in the draft and reiterated how he's actually a pocket passer. The highlights just make you think that he's not.

And wouldn't return my calls. Her calls and nothing. but they just like we're going to do to work and I think that all that other stuff has a place and has value but I don't think they I mean lots of people are like eh that means nothing but it does make it a little bit of uphill battle sometimes he is so good though he's so oh my god I just don't know how people really want to downplay how good he is and the pocket pass and stuff but we've taught this football enough oh okay full disclosure I would not say that Nicole Hannah Jones is my friend but I would say that I know her if I needed something that she could perhaps help with. I would not hesitate to call. I'm not sure she would do the thing, but that is, just say, this is not a stranger to me.

Okay. She wrote a very provocative. Is that the word we're looking for here? I don't even know if we knew it was going, if she knew it was going to be provocative on the front end. But 10 years ago, she wrote this story for the New York Times Magazine with her daughter on the cover about

she's an education reporter and trying to decide where it is that she wanted her daughter to go to school and she decided to send her daughter to an under, well, it was this kind of described as an underfunded, under-resourced New York City School in Brooklyn. Ten years later, she wrote another story about it that was kind of ruining the decision and it was, have I betrayed my child? And it had a lot of interesting stories in it, shall we say, that did not make that school that her daughter attended to seem like one that you would want your daughter to attend if she had any other choice. I think that is the way that we could put

it. One of the stories that stood out was kids fighting in the cafeteria and Nicole Hannah Jones herself went to go break it up and said none of the teachers did anything while it was happening. It is a things about papers not being graded, being told that her daughter was below grade level, even though they never really checked. It was just the assumption that was made. It was all these different things about why the school wasn't good. And her saying that, that, hey, I may be in the course of trying to make a larger point about school choice may have subjected my daughter to worse outcomes. I think that it takes a certain level of humility to get in front of people and say that you were wrong, and I am here to tell you. It appears that 90% of the people who read that and got no concern about no humility or whatever it was that it took for her to say that she was wrong, she did not say that she was wrong enough.

I have never seen anybody catch hail from all corners of the internet like I have here. I mean, it's black people sending around links from the National Review. Dominique, I pulled up the For You tab on Twitter. I was getting all the conservatives that were piling on her. And this was two days after all the black people I knew were piling on to her. And that's not even to discuss all the text messages from the people who don't feel comfortable. saying this stuff in public. I've never seen anything like this before.

And you and I, if we were to ignore the backlash part for a second, the discussion of where black people of means in their children is a very interesting one, right? Like, I don't know. I told the story, people, we moved to Houston right before I turned seven. So my parents worked at Prairie View, which is 20-something miles northwest of the city. We were not going to live there. Yes, keep it above. So we lived as honestly,

you can't go any farther northwest from where we were and still call it Houston or even still like with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with with try to say that you couldn't do it. Okay. 1987 I find that my people have moved out here now. But my 1987 they had night there was an elementary school literally across the street from the house it had three black people.

Total. So my parents took me to school in a little town called wall which was right next to Prairie View, which had a lot more black people. It was not a black majority, but it was a much more representative sample of the population out there. It was going to a worse school, but it was not an imperiled school. But I have always contended that that's the best decision that my parents ever made for me was not subjecting me to the isolation that I was probably going to suffer at the school that was across the street. And having seen people who did suffer that and the outcomes, very talented people that I think had this spirit and joy of their lives kind of

beaten out of them by going to those schools. There's a real discussion about damn. How exactly is it? Do you go about putting your children in a place that is safe socially and good for their social development, but also provides access to the right resources educationally to maximize where they could end up? And that is not, that, nah, that got, no, no, no, no, this just became damn, baby, you fucked up. That's it. This, it's, um, and you and I, I don't think fall into a category of like, wo is me type complaining. But I think that we also appreciate the reality of the idea that just the idea of existing while being black, there's some tax that you're going to have

to pay. And I like jokingly talk about how being a black man who's on TV means I got to get a haircut every week. It'd take an hour and a half out of my life and it pisses me off and it feels like an unfair tax that I have to pay. But in this case, this is more serious where when you're weighing the educational decisions, black people have this other thing. And it's probably all minorities, but black people in particular have this other variable that has to weigh in. So like, I can afford to live in a nice neighborhood where the schools are really good. But what comes with that also normally comes putting my kid in like these isolated situations where they are the only black.

kid and the result of that is normally you overcorrect the other way or not overcorrect, but you become super militant person who hates everybody and is unhappy, or you become like low self-esteem, try to assimilate always trying to be like them or be with them and always feeling isolated and different. And I'm sure there are other outcomes, but those are the things that as a parent who had this experience, who grew up in a neighborhood that was all black. And my parents sent me to a magnet school because we couldn't afford private school for high school in order to get a better education because my high school, somebody got shot at, the local high school. And like you, the neighborhood I grew up, I moved to, like was a nice suburban neighborhood

in Baltimore County when I got there. And then more and more people took over the cities. So more and more of us came out and they all left and the money left and everything changed. by the time the high school my parents thought was going to be good, I got there was like a dangerous place. But anyway, back to me and my decision is like, I decided that I wanted to send my kids. My wife and I decided we wanted to send our kids to private school for the opposite reason that you would expect. Because our local schools are great all the way up till eighth grade, but they white. And I was not going to do that to my kids.

I would pay for them to go. And so the private schools in a pretty liberal area like D.C., are all like majority, minority, meaning that it's like 40, 50% white, and then everything else is something else and it's a big portion of them are black people. So like that's something that was important to me. And the last thing I want to say is like my wife's experience is different. Like she grew up with a lot more means than I did. She went to public school up until like eighth grade or no, sixth grade, I think, and then went to private school afterwards. But she also has a really huge black family in this city that is very anti Jack and Jill, if that makes sense for people

to understand what type of people they are. Despite the fact that both her parents are doctors and all our aunts and uncles are lawyers and everybody went to Howard and got extra degrees, they see a distinction between the Jack and Jill thing and us. And so like when I brought this article to my wife, it was interesting because she, went to a white school from like sixth grade on and said that I don't understand the need for belonging. And like, that's where these people are scarred who go to these like all white schools. It's like, I want to be involved, but I'm always different. And I was trying to express to her.

It's like, you had all these cousins and family and you went to school the same way that some people go to work. He was like, all right, I go, I do that. Then I leave. And I have my life. But other people, of normal people, like their life is that school. And if you go there and you're not invited to the parties, she's like, yeah, I wasn't invited to the parties, but I didn't want to go to the parties. Like, I wanted to do black shit with my black people. Yeah, I think it's one thing to, the argument of like wanting to belong is, belonging is one thing. Being rejected is another, right? And so if you don't feel like you belong, okay, but if you feel rejected, that's a different animal. Like a lot of white people that I would go to school, with, and I went to school and took classes with, right? Because my classes were probably way more white.

I don't know how much I belonged, but I wouldn't say I didn't feel like I didn't belong, but I really didn't even really feel rejected. I didn't remember one time I didn't get invited to a party and the guy told me, trust me, you don't want to come. I said it, I was like, oh, okay. But I don't think I felt like rejected from those spaces. When you start adding that money component to it, people start, like people start feeling rejected. it's not, I get absolutely not wanting someone to be involved in that. We have a friend of the program who I think to this day resents their parents for taking them out of a black environment and putting them into a white one later in the school thing, right? Just because how it's feeling like other

in those spaces. Like, I think though, and people just got to be honest about this, man, this backlash about it is, is that Nicole Hannah-Jones has become a polarizing figure. She became a polarizing. She became a polarizing figure to the right because of the 1619 project. What I don't think that I don't know how many people understood this, but I don't think that she understood this. And I think that she learned is that she is a bit more of a polarizing figure on what she would think was her side. And I say this being who I am with a certain self-awareness about the way that I have

comported myself in the past over social media and part of why I do not. is I realized, hey, man, I, at this point, don't have anything else to gain from this space. And in fact, everything that I say on this space is one more chance for somebody to come up with a reason to decide that they dislike me. And God knows that I have given plenty of people enough reasons already to feel this way. And so when that moment comes and you get your little, your slip up comes, it comes down from all directions. especially of what they get in you for as a first person essay, because who you are does become part of the discussion, right? You can't separate the art from the artist

when they're using the first person in the story. And so it led to judgments of her actual parenting. How did you not pick up on this? Like all of these things that came out there, people are like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. What about you in this? And that's why people I feel like are like, hey, man, first person stuff is maybe not necessarily the way to go in terms of making a point, right?

Which, you know, gets to what happens when, and I don't know, this isn't exactly, I have a thing about people using their families for branding and they're like using their children for content. I don't know. This is not what I normally mean when I say that. Right. Right. But it did happen. It did. And that's part of why.

we're here. Yeah. And I think that I want to be clear that I don't know that the decisions that I've made and my parents have made and my wife and her parents have made for all of our educations were perfect. There were tradeoffs. And I know like it's like being a black girl in those schools is probably more challenging than being a black boy in those schools. And I know that is something that my daughters will have to deal with. So, like, there are always going to be tradeoffs in any decision you make. It's like we were talking about that receiver. They said there was no weaknesses.

Well, there can be no strengths if there are no weaknesses. Like, in order to be excellent at something, you have to give up something else. So, like, the tough thing is when you're making those tradeoffs, you don't know which will be more valuable in the future. And I think about that for when I was growing up and we're all around the same age as Nicole is. It's like I do, and this is, I mean, I assume white people know this too, but they're about to learn it now. But like, at least for me, when I grew up, you grew up in an era where like everybody wanted to get away from like blackness to some degree.

Like you wanted to be close to blackness for like what it was cool, but it was a badge to be like, like coming out of the 80s being like, we moved to a white neighborhood. I go to a white school for some people and for a lot of. of people, it like signified some level of success and achievement. And I think that it's interesting that Nicole made the choice to go the other way when she did because she grew up in that time too, but she grew up in a different place. I was from the 1619 project watching that. She's from Iowa somewhere. Yeah, she's from Iowa. She's from the Blacktown in Iowa. Waterloo is Waterloo in Davenport. The music you love.

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Listen to Underground Zero on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. That's where you find, like, Ricky Davis and Michael second to none. They are from Davenport, Iowa, for example. I just think it's all pretty interesting. And, like, I don't want to, part of the reason why I don't know high horse is, like, I don't know. I think I'm making the right decisions.

I'm conscious of the tradeoffs that I'm making. I guess that's all I'm saying is what she conscious of the tradeoffs. You have to know and accept the idea that you thought she was going to get as quality an academic education as whatever social education she got. If you knew that you made that choice anyway, then I'm fine with it. But if you thought that she was going to break the system, that to me is confusing. I wonder this part too. And so this is, you know, I think one thing that in talking about this piece, everyone has to be careful about is, hey, make sure you're not projecting, right? Like, like, you're not making this fully about you or what your situation was, whatever.

But I could say this about me. I grew up in an interesting situation because of the school that I went to. We were not rich, but we were certainly not poor. Right. But I think even the white kids that I went to school with looked at us as people having money. You know, my parents are college professors. Like, I was coming from something different than the people I went to school with,

by and large, were coming from. Because by this time, in the old days, the professors that worked there at Prairie View lived in Prairie View. Well, that generation, it basically aged out. Like, I was not going to school with other professors' kids, by and large, right? And especially for me, like, growing up in the 90s

where the gangster shit was what was really ruling or whatever, like, ain't nothing cool about having a state. family upbringing. You know what I'm saying? Like, there's no, the way I always saw it is like there was no real charm in that, right? There was the kids that that seemed like they came for something a little harder. Like even in the suburban neighborhood, that one kid that's from the city, he got all the

girls, right? Like, he's the one that gets all to action. And so there could be a tendency to kind of want to fall in that direction. Now, the thing for me with the people I went to school with where it influenced me personally was everybody I went to school with had a job. for example. I was in the class dynamic where if I wanted to, I could probably get some money for my parents, whatever stuff I needed was. But the truth is, my parents were cheap anyway. So I was going to need to go get this money. But like, I went to school. These cats paying for their own car insurance, for example, in your 16,

buying your own car when you're 16, 17 years old. Yeah, right? I'm like, like it put me in touch. I was very much in touch with the class privilege, you can say, that I had whatever. But it made me want to go get a job. Like all the kids at school had a job and talked about having jobs. So I went and got a job, right? And it impacted me in the way that there were things that my parents were capable of doing for me that I actually always did myself because I saw so many people who did it for themselves. So on one hand, it could be done. But on the other hand, I wanted to do what, like, everybody was doing.

And I was like that even in a lot of ways through college where there were other people whose parents had money, you know, for purposes of this discussion. and all of that stuff. But like I worked all the way through. I didn't take money for my parents. They paid for certain stuff, you know, but I was on scholarship and I was working and paying for all my own stuff. Like I had a certain badge of honor about the fact that I was doing those things.

Then I got to graduate school and I thought I was going to be grown by then. And I was not. I couldn't have possibly been more broke. And I went to school with a cat and it was really funny because it turned out, we met each other there and it turned out that his mother and my father graduated from high school together in Oklahoma City in 1960. Yeah, just pure, we were the only two black dudes in this program that we were in. And we got each other through in a lot of ways.

But I would talk to him about a lot of this stuff. And I didn't want to ask my parents for money, you know, like all those things. And it was the first time that I had considered that these people whose life, I wouldn't say I was cosplaying because I wasn't pretending, but where I was trying to do the things that they did, because they had to do them, looking at me like, hey, Cah, how about you call your mom and ask her to send you $1,000?

Yeah. Because if I had somebody that would send me $1,000, I would ask them to send me $1,000, right? It was the first time that it ever really dawned on me, how many of those people, this life that in some way may seem cool or may seem charming. And I was, be clear, I was not dumb enough to think there was anything cool about being poor.

but you get what I'm saying, right? To have these challenges, every single one of them would have traded places with me in a heartbeat. All those rappers that I was listening to that was talking to all that shit, guess where none of their kids live? That same circumstance that we're talking about.

And I think that was the part that really offended a lot of people about this article is the idea that your kids don't have to do this shit. and there's people working, three jobs and everything else, to take their children out of those environments. And somehow, rather than listen to us, you thought this is what you should do

and told the world about it. Yeah. People really, I'm not saying it's right or wrong. Right, right. No, I get to you. But people really, really, really seem to resent that. I get it. And I understand.

And I obviously made choices that I've made. And so, like, that is, that's what it is. I had a friend in business school who went to all fancy schools, but she grew up in New York. But her parents sent her to the Boys and Girls Club in some bad neighborhood in Brooklyn, even though she went to fancy schools because she was black. And they were like, we want you to have some connection to black experience. But I'll use your story about, I think we forget, you think that the influence on your kids is you, but you forget that you spend so much time. school around your friends, I'd say overall you going to that school where everyone had to work, like, was it good influence on you? Oh, yes. So I'm saying that what Nicole was aware of

and part of this decision is sending them to these fancy all-white schools is like maybe they'll get the best academic experience. But the culture that my kid will become a part of is something that I'm not interested in. Absolutely. And I think that she in some way, consciously or unconsciously did the calculation that the academic genetics that my daughter will have will compensate for whatever in the at-home engagement will compensate for the shortcomings in the school, but I can't substitute for the cultural experience of growing up around Blackfield. And I know that her daughter seemed to not like the decision and no one seems to like the decision from outside. and I don't know whether it's right or wrong,

but there's no test, there's no measurement for like how sophisticated you are culturally with your blackness or anything like that. And so we don't have anything to compare it to, but I promise you, her daughter is comfortable everywhere. Yes.

Oh, yeah. It's just what you prioritize. I think the point, and I said this earlier about my school, and I think this distinction is important, to repeat. My school that I went to was probably not as well funded as the ones that my parents did not have me go to, but the school I went to was not imperiled.

That's the thing about it. It wasn't imperil. If my mama had pulled up at the school and these motherfuckers was fighting in the cafeteria and she had to bring it up and nobody pulled up, I would not have been in that bitch the next day. That was where people were like, whoa, wait a minute. She said this happened all the time. And you was like, well, go get them, champ. You ain't even taken, you ain't even taken to the gym to get a little, put a little work in, like figure out how you go handle yourself with it's your turn.

Like, damn. That's bad. Yeah, I can't defend it. I did the best I could. No, you did. You did. I think, I think, that's why I think that if you took the name Nicole Hannah-Jones off of it. There's a lot interesting to talk about, and I found the further offline people were, the more likely in the discussions I had with them, they approached it with a measure of empathy. But this is where we're not supposed to know so much about each other.

And so people's personal issues and judgments of her, I think, seeped into it on top of the fact, there were some truly jaw-dropping details that I, wouldn't have told nobody about if I if I if I if my concern was how I was going to be received that's that's it but I the the pewters was poop the pewter's cute dog they and they still pewting they still pewting in part because she's really famous um but it kind of reminded me like I felt like I was watching two people who are on there saying the same thing and expressing the same feelings,

but they're not coming from the same place? I'm going to give you an example of this, okay? White people and black people can often say the same thing, and it sounds like they mean the same thing, but they're talking about vastly different things. For example, stairway to heaven. If a white person is talking about stairway to heaven, they're like, oh my God, it's one of the greatest songs that's ever made.

that's my daddy or my granddaddy's favorite song. I love stairway to heaven. And if a black person is talking about stairway to heaven, they're going to say, oh, my God, that is one of the greatest songs that has ever made. That is my daddy or my granddaddy's favorite song. And the white person would be like, hell yeah, don't you love the way that it kind of starts low-key

and then it builds up as it goes farther and farther along. And the black person is like, hell yeah, that's what I'm talking about. It starts off. There's a little bit of a bit of a bit of a bit. beat, like they ain't even got no drums in it yet, and it just keeps on going. And they'd be like, hell yeah. And everybody's talking about stairway to heaven. And then all of a sudden, it's time for somebody to say the words to stairway to heaven.

They're about to sing it together. And then that white person is right, hey, get out. The black person's like, that what the fuck was talking about? That's not what I was saying at all. But we was just all saying the same thing, right? Right? Right. We go in step by step.

They're like, yo, what is that Nebro Garble that you're offering over there? No, we, we, we, I thought we was talking about stairway to heaven. And everybody's all confused. That's this issue. I got people being like, yo, this article is terrible. And they say, and this article is terrible. And these people over here being like, hell yeah, those public schools are so bad. And they're like, hell yeah, the public schools are so bad.

And they're like, that's why you don't go to school with black people. And they're like, wait a minute, what did you say? Like at some point, that internet. collision is going to happen and everybody's going to realize we're not actually saying the same thing. It just seems like it. That I think is the other level of this. It is a weird chorus.

But everybody's singing the same notes, but not singing the same song. Yeah, I hadn't seen as much of the internet reaction as you had. So, like, I didn't realize that most of it's been like group chat conversations with other black people. So I didn't realize that it had become like. see, told you they animals can't go to school with them? I didn't know that was even a part of it. Oh, hey, yeah, yeah,

let me tell you something. They're some animals as always. Yeah, it's always. It's always this closer. However, there are to be fair, though, just as is the case with stairway to heaven, there are some black people who in this case that's the stairway to heaven. They also met. I read an article written by somebody I know who basically said the same thing. And I was like, I wouldn't have told anybody that if I was you.

This is this is like they never going to give you to Ox Corps to get. I thought you was going to play stairway to heaven. You played stairway to heaven? Yeah. And what are we doing? What do we do it? But hey, that's Dominique Foxworth. Check him out on the Dominic Foxworth Show.

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