The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Domonique Foxworth on Mike Tomlin's hot seat, Shedeur Sanders noise, Giannis trade rumors | 12.05

Episode Date: December 5, 2025

ESPN's Domonique Foxworth joins Bomani Jones. First, they discuss the Pittsburgh Steelers and whether this will be Mike Tomlin's final year as their coach. Later, they break down the noise surrounding Shedeur Sanders & whether the Milwaukee Bucks will trade Giannis. Finally, they discuss if the Kansas City Chiefs can turn their season around with a win over the Houston Texans. 05:50 - Is Mike Tomlin on the hot seat? 25:05 - Shedeur Sanders nonsense 36:00 - Time to trade Giannis? 45:00 - Do or die for the Chiefs? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Hold on. I got a new name. First Fridays with Foxworth. It works. Yeah, man, I'm telling you. Make me feel guilty when you say it like that. I ain't trying to make you feel guilty. I'm like, what can I do?

You know what I'm saying? I'm down to make it happen. But it's first Friday's and that way now people can look forward to the specific occasion. Yeah, I miss it. I still get like randomly, or not randomly, more and more on the street people like recognize me and say they listen to my show.

But for a long time where they see me on Get Up, but for a long time, the thing I would get the most was like, oh, I love you. And I'd be like, I get excited a little bit on FoxxRef, Friday. And I'm like, yeah, I mean, that ain't really me, though. But it is you, though. But it is you though. That's the thing. But also first Friday's at Foxworth has a phrasing that is very important to African Americans of certain bourgeoisness of our age. As there was a time where a first Friday, boy, let me tell you, don't nothing a black

person with a degree love to do both, then go hang out with other black people who have degrees where everybody knows they were all here because we have degrees. And so we pat each other on the back by having degrees. And first Friday was such an occasion. That specific strain, well, I guess it's different than Jack and Jill, but that's a whole other conversation because I don't know nothing about that world. That wasn't anything I was in. So when I first had kids and we had a little bit more money than I had as a kid,

like people were like, you should do Jack and Jill. My wife who grew up like more affluently than I did was like, no. No, we're not putting it. kids and that. See, this is why I love your wife because on paper Jack and Jill seems on the board, but not. She actually a real one. This is important.

I do look back on it though, because I, there was always an emphasis or my, I'm not really an emphasis, but my mother would try and I understand it better than I was an adult to put me in situations to be around other middle, upper middle class black kids because they were, they went

with so many of us, right? So we all need to get together. But the thing is, I went school with rural working class people. So I did not meet these people and feel like I was meeting my peers, right? Like I was just like, oh, this isn't my room either. And I always wonder if I got like a little tasty jack and jail, maybe it would have been good for me just so I wouldn't be so mean to those people now. Like, I don't like them at all.

Like, anytime somebody invites me to anything that I feel like got a whiff at, I'm like, oh, you one of them, huh? Yeah. No, it's, I would agree that you have this aversion to that group, which is probably by all, most times you're better off, not. But like, I mentioned at, up in Martha's Vineyard going to, like, the Black Ivy League thing. And I could feel the eye roll through the text.

Like, some of them are cool, boo. Like, some of them are cool. And my, and my, my wife and I went to like Black Harvard alumni weekend. And I remember like it's kind of cool to me that both my wife and I are alumni from this fancy school and we're going to this weekend and it's going to be cool. And all my friends like, oh, that's dope. And Bo is like, oh, that's dope. Watch out.

Don't let, don't catch it. First of all, I don't think I realize that your wife was also a Harvard alum. I misunderstood that far. Okay. I get it. It's a, it's a, I mean, I imagine there's another Dominique Fossworth walking around this somewhere. I, I, I, I, I, well, my homeboy, um, I, he just wrote his second book and he, um, we went to high school together and like, he has a much different background than even me, where it's,

like, his brothers and his dad and all them, they was, they was a pharmacist and they did some time as a result of his mom was a teacher and he went on to like go to Harvard and, and now as a professor there and yeah he sounds like we could kick it yeah absolutely could kick it and there are a few others like that but i i get i get your point because when i the funny thing is like they had at that weekend they have so many like um meetings and conferences and seminars and whatever about all these different things and then of course there are a few well-attended ones about like how we can address inequality and it does have a feeling of how can we fix them next?

It's like a little air of it. It's like a little air of it. And not everyone is in there because you look around to other people rolling their eyes too, but it all like, it's like, damn, what are you going to do for them? Well, you know, and you know what it is, and this is whether it be Harvard or any of these other things, right? I am apprehensive of any rule,

no matter who you are, that you have to qualify to get into. Yeah. You know what I mean? Any room will we tell people that you don't get in because you have not achieved whatever that thing is? She, man, they're probably more fun than y'all, right? Like, maybe that's what it is. I feel like you're leaving the fun out the road. But I will say this.

There's one black man that I feel like is everybody's kind of guy. And his name is Mike Tomlin. Oh, yeah. And national television, right? Talk about this all the time, that if it's going to look bad for you, don't make it look bad for you on national television because now this conversation goes from inside the house to outside the house and it feels like everybody is in on it. And I don't know how much those things matter in Pittsburgh where they seem to clearly move and operate at their

own pace. But bottom line is this Steelers team is not good. Aaron Rogers currently only has one hand that is operable. And the other one is still 42 years old, right? Can't lose side of that. I bet he can't even hold his hand steady. You know what I mean? Like you asked him to go like this to see what happened. But anyway, now is the time that everybody is remembering that Mike Thomas stop winning playoff games when it wasn't a black man as the president no more, right? Apparently that was a condition that was somewhat necessary to really, you know, get to get to where he wanted to be. I'm just saying he won his first Super Bowl after Obama got inaugurated.

You understand what I'm saying? Maybe that's what it is, right? I don't know. Anyway, he ain't winning the playoff games. And in Pittsburgh, they all give a down about no goddamn Barack Obama or none of that. They kind of want to know what's going on with the playoff wins, where those haven't been. it's a fair point. I don't know if the coach is the reason

that this has been the case for those nine years, but it is also fair for people to say anybody else would have gotten fired to the maybe it ain't as much racism no more people. If I were you and I were trying to make that point, I would say the only two coaches that I could think of that have existed like this in modern times were him and Marvin Lewis.

Hey, yay, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just saying, forgive me, The devil don't need no advocate. I'm just saying that before they can say it, I'm just saying it and make jokes about it. But Steelers look bad against the bills. This week they play against Baltimore, who also look bad and have a head coach

who has been there just about as long that I would make the argument needs to be fired. But if I am making the argument that he needs to be fired, it then becomes very difficult for me to not make the argument that Mike Toble needs to be fired. The difference in their two cases, however, is very clear. One of them has had a quarterback since 2018 and one of them is not.

Yeah. I am biased in both cases. Yes, for different reasons. And so, like, I think we can start with the Harbaugh thing. It's like the one thing about Harbaugh that I respect and appreciate and I think would be, I'd worry about losing is the ability to run a stable organization while changing parts is a hard thing to do and changing the way that they attack. Like the transition from from Joe to Lamar wasn't easy.

And then the transition of the offense from, what's the name? Roman. Yeah, from Roman to Monkin hasn't been easy, but it worked. And then they had multiple defensive coordinator transitions where they launched a career one guy and they are working on another guy. And before that, they were wink Martin. They were crazy blitz. It's just like unique things that I think.

some of those things aren't as obvious in there and they're tough to do. I can understand though that the idea that you haven't gotten over a certain hump, that's fine. I think you and I are reasonable off to know that it don't mean it's going to get better. You can look at Penn State. Like, don't assume that it's going to get better.

So you have to understand that the risk that you're taking is like what you're saying by firing your coach, your good coach. So like, if your coach stinks, then it's like, all right, can't be no worse. Get out of here. It's different. It's a different calculation.

when you have a coach who has made things stable. What you're doing is now, all right, we won a championship so bad that we're willing to entertain the idea of being trash. And people who are a part of good organizations, like a fans of good organizations like the Ravens and the Steelers, don't acknowledge. They don't even imagine what it's like to be a Jets fan

or a Giants fan or a Raiders fan or a Cardinals fan. Like, look around the look. league, most of these teams stink for long periods of time. And you guys are mad, which, like, I get it. It's fine. You could want more and want better and expect more and expect better, but you guys are mad because you haven't won a Super Bowl. So that's all.

You just have to, that's the thing that I worry about is people who are saying this aren't doing the actual calculation, that the probability is that you're going to get a bad coach, not that you're going to get an improvement. Yeah. Now, and for them, they feel like, note because the last three coaches that they have hired over this span of 60 something year, or nearly 60 years, have been coaches who have not simply won Super Bowls,

but have been to multiple Super Bowls. This has happened with both of them. The thing for me with the Steelers that I do think is worth pointing out, and this is perhaps a function of my age, the time of the lie that the standard is the standard. Well, what is the standard, but you didn't answer my question. Yeah. What exactly is the standard when people talk about Pittsburgh? Because people say the standard is Super Bowls, and that is not true.

They went to four Super Bowls in six years under Chuck Null. And that was an unreal run in a way that cannot be replicated in this day and age. But that was an unreal run. Since then, as a franchise, and this is over a span of 40-something years, they have been to four Super Bowls, right? they've been during the 80s. I think they went to water an an AFC championship game in there, I think in 84 against Miami. But otherwise, eh, they was just kind of there.

Coward got the thing back rolling, but Calder also had like a three-year dip where they did not make the playoffs. And then it's like win a playoff game here, win a playoff game there. He got that Super Bowl all the way toward the end. Tomlin, it was stronger in the beginning. I think that with the talent that they've had

in the last few years, getting to the playoffs, or whatever it has been, is fairly impressive. They have a quarterback problem. They've been had a quarterback problem, and they haven't made a big move to get another quarterback because that's between, outside of Ben Robertsburg and Terry Bradshaw, they have had the Mettest quarterbacks over a span of decades. You can't do it with Neil O'Donnell at this point in time.

You can't do it with old Aaron Rogers. They tried with Kenny Pickett. I could have told you that wasn't going to work, right? So I don't know what exactly is. expected, but I do think it's fair to say, bro, how we ain't won not one playoff game in this time period. But not one of them has been a playoff game. I thought they were supposed to win. Right. But I mean, I think that's why, that's part of the reason why you criticize the coach is like win the ones that you're not supposed to win, a coach who I think most people would argue

wins a lot of regular season games that he's not supposed to win. That's why he's made the playoffs a lot more than he was supposed to and been over 500 a lot more times than he was supposed to. When one of those playoff games that you're that you're not supposed to win is a fair criticism over this amount of time because they've been like good this whole time. So like, yeah, that's fair. The, to the point about the standard is the standard. The reason why that's such a masterful thing is you can make it mean whatever you want. It's about, it's about showing up on time and playing hard. It's not about actually winning championships. It's about conducting yourself with dignity and respect. Like, he ain't say nothing. Like the standard of the standard just means like, yeah.

or the standard could be like be happy, have a good time, be kind to people. Right. That's the standard. So like, he ain't really said nothing. That's the, the master of those type of cliches or the genius of those type of cliches and you throw them out there and people meet myself included. Or like, oh, yeah, you see the way he said that?

And then you get home and you're like, he ain't said shit. Yo, he's so good at keeping it simple and not giving you anything, but that should be feeling profound. Don't it? You know, like when that person, I think it was a woman I can't remember, but I asked him about cover three against the fauxverts, and he said he did not want to explain it,

but he was impressed by the depth of the question because it ain't no explanation, Mike. And for people who need to understand what's going on here, cover three, there are three deep defensive backs. Fourverts. Those three got a guard four people. Answer, Mike Toblin is, y'all fucked up. I mean, the answer to that is probably the,

the whole defenders or the curl flat defenders will carry theverts, which then opens up the curled flat. Like it's a much more complicated answer to that. There is no perfect answer for any of that. But yeah, giving somebody a compliment and you're a head coach, you Mike Townland. Well done. That's a move.

Well done. Well done. Well done. Your question. Yeah. But I will, your point about you don't know who you going to get is an important one. Because the thing about the Steelers is we can operate on the assumption that they'll go get a good head coach because they did 35 years ago.

And then they did again 20 years ago. And they did previously 55 years ago. Ugh. Right? Like that's a, there aren't that many of them around here. And they have an infrastructure. We are assuming that we think can support whatever it is.

But you're right. And for people who don't know what's going on at Penn State, they can't give that job away right now for whatever reason. Signing Day has come. And I think they had class 100. 25 because they only got like five people because they still don't have a coach. They got mad that day and decided they were sick of James Franklin. Understandable.

If you always say, I can make an argument for fire at anybody, right? Okay, they did it. But you're right. Who were you going to hire? That should have been a little bit more clearly explained. I thought it was going to be Matt Rule. Apparently they thought it was going to be Matt Rule because it's not Matt Rule and they still don't have a coach.

But if the Steelers mess around in this place where they're in, because they're still not going to have a high draft. pick because they still going to be pretty good, right? What's it going to be? And Steelers fans, y'all don't know nothing about, y'all don't know nothing about them hardscrabble mean streets. And they're going to get to know it. Or they might not.

Maybe they'll figure it out again. And I think, like, they've hired good coaches, but your point is good when they don't have experience doing it. Like, it could be luck. And I think, like, no disrespect to Chuck Knoll, but like, I feel differently about pre-free agency dynasties than I do. about post-free agency dynasties. And like it's a different situation.

Like, yeah, things worked out. Y'all had a hall of fame, had fucking 10 Hall of Famers on defense. Like, all right. And they couldn't go nowhere, no matter what. They couldn't, they couldn't not stress your cap because it didn't exist. And like, it's a little different situation. And yeah, there are some advancements and developments made.

Like, I respect that. But then the coward situation was more closer to reality. What you're dealing with now is, it ain't reality, man. Like this is not. So I get it. My only point is not that he doesn't deserve to get fired because, I mean, forget deserved. Yeah, right.

That's an irrelevant factor. It's irrelevant factor. My point is not that it's unreasonable to fire Mike Tomlin. It's reasonable to fire Mike Tomlin. My only point is understand that you quitting your job and all in the market out there right now is not for employees. It never is. So, yeah.

Go ahead. quit your job if you want to. I don't know what you're going to end up doing, but you may not like it nearly as much as what you got now. Yo, and right now, this is not a time where I feel like I'm hearing the, this is the next head coach name, right? So, for example, old big brain bin.

I got to stop calling a big brain bin because apparently some of that big brainedness was actually Dan Campbell. And it's actually big boy Ben who take his shirt off and it's kind of swole and dance around with his play. But anyway, if the Steelers job is open last year, they are probably the move that Ben Johnson makes, even if they don't have the quarterback right now,

because they're going to give you the time. And we're going to figure out, you know, who it's going to be is your best chance for success. I don't know who the name is if you decide that Mike Tom was not going to be your coach anymore. I don't know who the guy is that you then say, okay, we're going to hire and make this happen. Now, to be fair, we damn sure didn't know who the guy was

when they hired Mike Tomlin. Exactly. That's the same point. The same with Harbaugh. It's like apparently Mike Tomlin was someone that the Rooney's knew of and were really impressed by. Because Tomlin got the Rooney Rule interview with, I forget which team. You know, Levitart always tells the story about how the dolphins were going to hire him,

but they did not because he was, and I quote, to hip-hop, unquote. And then they hired Cam Cameron and went one in 15. What an amazing tale. But I think that that's what the broodies heard about was that interview. Would you feel any differently about the two hip hop line if they wrote like, I don't think our fan base would be comfortable with it? No, there's really no way to be like he too black. There's really no way.

The thing about the two hip hop party is, guys, we have seen Mike Toblin. Like, for a long time, he, he know how to act on an interview, right? Right? Like, he went in there like the fresh prints in jazz. Like, hey, how you doing? Right? Dapped him up and then fell backwards. Like, he was in there waiting on them.

Like, my bad, who's going first? My name is Mike and I'm here to go. He's like, who? To hip hop, what do he have to do? He's coming there and throw down some cardboard and start break dancing. All of them, like, hey, hip hop mic. Keep it mind. Everything else about the interview was impressive enough

that from the way the story is told, they thought that he was somebody that you should hire, except he was too hip-hop. So what was he doing that was so hip-hop, or how low was the hip-hop threshold? Such that, you decided, nope. Cam Cameron, he's our guy. I mean, it seems obvious that it's just like,

it's a euphemism. Like, we don't want no black. We don't want nobody black. And then, many years ago, and I think this is a different ownership group, They eventually did, did hire Brian Flores, who I think was a different kind of hip hop that they didn't like. Yeah, they wasn't down for Mob Deep hip hop.

It was like looking back on it, Boris did a pretty good damn job. Like, maybe he's the guy that you should be looking at while he's in the middle of suing the NFL. I feel confident saying through a little knowledge and understanding and paying more attention to the situation. he will never be a head coach and I will never complain about it. Maybe you know more than I don't. Yeah, no, no. He, I can understand why it is

because basically the Dolphins got him out of there because they're like, hey, man, don't nobody like him, bro. Like, he's a tough guy to be around. Right. Yeah, I won't push any further. But yeah, there's lots of people who are tough to be around. that the results matter more than anything else.

And I think that the, what the Steelers do next would be interesting. Well, hold on, hold on. Sometimes how tough you are to be around has an adverse effect on the results. Fair point. Fair point. Yeah.

Maybe, yeah, some people are also built to be coordinators. And I think you can look up in New England and say, all right, that man, coordinated shit out that offense. Yes. I mean, Bill Belichick is built to be a coordinator. He just had Tom Brady. That's fair.

I think he did a great job coaching those teams. but he's built to be a coordinator because of how he act. Mike Tomlin, built to be a head coach. Yes, he is. He's a coordinator for one year. He's a head coach people. Yep, yep. This is going to be something to see because they got this game against the Ravens

and Lamar Jackson is playing like boo-boo. I'm not hearing much about it. I mean, you live closer. So maybe there is Harbaugh talk that I'm not hearing, but if they don't make the playoffs, I don't see how he can still be your coach. Yeah, I mean, they'd chant in the same. Same thing they did to Tomlin.

I don't remember which game it was. A few weeks ago, they were chatting fire Harbaugh. And I think a lot of that was tied to, obviously it's tied to like their playoff disappointments, but a lot of it was also tied to the decision to start Cooper Rush over Snoop. Fans didn't like that because Snoop had success in the past. But then Lamar came back. They reeled off a few wins, even though they were ugly wins and everybody got quiet.

If they end up missing the playoffs and losing the division to this not very good Steelers, team. The conversations will pop back up, but I don't see it actually leading to anything unless there's some like conversation inside the locker. Let me be straight with you. Unless Lamar is upset. I don't see them reacting to the fans that way because I think that they have a situation there between Ozzy still being around, DeCosta being the general manager. I think they have an idea of a future head coach at some point. I don't think they think that point is now unless they their hand gets forced by just a terrible falloff. It's very interesting that people think this division is terrible.

I think the NFC South is probably worse, but we have seen this as a terrible division, and we walked into this year thinking that this division was rock solid. It just had the Browns in it. Yeah, the Bengals, I don't know, the Bengals need to, that one Super Bowl run really got us confused about who the Bengals always is. Specifically, Zach Taylor. Yeah.

Like, we thought we knew. We thought we knew. And then they went to a Super Bowl. And they keep reminding us every year. And I mean, I guess you forgive them because of the borough injuries and the slow starts. The defenses have been bad, switching out coordinators. But I just had this before I got on with you. I was talking to my producers about the show that we're going to do.

And they are trying to convince me to have a conversation about taking the Bengals playoff run seriously. And I won't do it. I won't do it. I won't do it. I didn't do it last year. I'm not doing it. doing it this year. I won't do it. And they were like, what if, what if they beat the bills? So? What if they beat the Ravens? So? And they're like, the last three games after that are

definitely easy and winnable. I guarantee you, they lose. Between now and the end of the season, they lose one or two of these five games. Whether it's to the teams that are better than them or to the teams that are worse than them, I don't know, but not a serious outfit. There is nothing better than what a Sam I am moment just jumps up out of nowhere. We did not in a boat, not on a goat. No, sir, Reeve Bob. Coming up next, I'm going to ask Dominique what he thinks about what Shadour has looked like so far. And also, Yonis might want to trade.

All right, we are back with Dominique Foxworth. I have talked about Shadour a couple times without you in your expertise as a defensive back. And it's just a generally reasonable person. What we got here? I mean, we got a lot of noise around a situation that does not deserve to be that noisy. I mean, that's the best way I can put it. I think it's funny because you can't help but react to something that everyone else is reacting to. You don't have to, like, publicly react, but, like, you have a reaction.

So, like, I think I've swung back and forth based on what I felt was the predominant. the predominant, like, a story around him or the predominant feeling around him through the draft and through his college career until now, it's like the pendulum swings. And I always feel like my reaction or my feeling about it is like, I don't really care about this. Everybody cares about this, but they're not seeing that this is different. And so the most latest thing is like when he got his first playing time in the Ravens game, it felt like, oh, he's terrible. And I watched those, those games.

And I was like, hey, guys, they didn't pretend. him, the two times they protected him, he went down feel well. The interception was a panicked, terrible throw, but generally, like, I think there's nothing to really pull from this particular game. Then he goes and wins the next game, has that incredible throw, and then it feels like the narrative around him, I shouldn't use that word anymore, it's dead. It feels like the push behind him is like, see, he did it. He did it. He got to talk about his teammates more after you win, but he did it. And then I rewatched that game. And I'm like, that play was incredible. But he really do much in that game. It feels like we're still in a situation where we're trying

to really assess this guy. And to be fair, if he were a first round pick, he would be giving us enough right now, I think, for us to be like, all right, there's something there. We can build around it. But he's not a first round pick. And I don't think he's done nearly enough for us to be talking about like what they're going to do. Maybe they're going to build around it, which it feels like some people are arguing that that's a real thing. They're going to draft some more quarterbacks, guys. It's going to happen.

As soon as they can. Of course, which is next year. They got two first round pairs. I mean, as soon in that draft. Yeah, yeah. As they can't. And by the way, I don't know if you'd seen this, but apparently I saw a report that's it.

Oh, here we go. Browouts open 21 day practice window, but Josh Watson on nasty ass. They are trying to make sure. that one of these many quarterbacks they have, right? All of whom are kind of like the Jack of Hart, well, not even all, to be honest. Some of them are like eights. But they are going to see if at all they have somebody there

and they are still entertaining the possibility that Deshawn Watson off an Achilles tear, was it? That maybe he still got something enough. Yeah. This is one of those situations where I would be, which I guess the fact that he's shown that he can be an elite quarterback is enough that you would want to give it a shot. Yeah, five years ago.

Yeah, but I would be scared that he actually played well. Which I never want to be in a situation where I'm rooting against my own guys. You know? And so like, if he played well for a short stretch, we're talking about extending him? That's what we're talking about doing, guys. which, like, would lead to some cap relief in the short term, but not in the long term. I don't know, man. Let's see what this draft talking about.

Hey, and by the way, for the Browns, as I look at this, their draft seemed to have been okay. They've had a lot of good drafts. Like, the roster ain't terrible, man. Yeah. And they have, I will just to stop this from becoming, go to a place that's too far, perhaps, one of the best defensive linemen of all time. Oh, no, it won't go too far with me. I'm just, I was saying for myself.

Like, like, we are, we are approaching large Taylor territory in what we're seeing, like, Reggie White territory in what we're seeing. If they had ever made any good runs in the playoffs, the way that we talk about him would be entirely different right now. Like, we would be the, like, we talk about Aaron Donald, like, he's one of the best detackle, like, he is the best de-tackle ever. I think that, that argument could be made. part because he has some memorable

playoff runs. But I could think about other guys who were as effective and as important. Nobody. Maybe I'm going to get myself in trouble. I watched a lot of football. Ain't nobody been like this, man. Yeah. To me, it's Lawrence Taylor and Reggie White

in the in the past rusher category, like past rusher outright destroyed. He's both, though. That's the thing. That's what I was about to say. The thing about Lawrence Taylor is those other two guys are so much bigger than him. Like, there's a difference between now we just call them all edge rushers, but there's a

difference between being a four three defensive end. And Reggie White can also play in the five technique also, but being a handout defensive end and being Lawrence Taylor, outside linebacker at a time with the position didn't even really exist in the way it is now. But yes, Miles Garrett is

a little bit of both with not as, what do you think would help him more? Some of Reggie White's Jesus or a little bit of Lauren George Taylor's cocaine. I'm going to go ahead and say that on the football field, I'm always leaning towards L.T.

Yeah. I mean, so you're a little of the cocaine, because the thing was Reggie White would be out there talk about an Old Testament God with them. Yeah, that's fair. He was telling them that God was going to strike them down when he was coming. But I think what is implied,

obviously he don't need to actually have the cocaine. That's a different situation. but at least the way you asked the question, I was thinking, like, the way that he plays. He is level-headed. Like, you never see him out there doing John Randall things. I know he swung a helmet at somebody, but generally, which I know it sounds ridiculous,

generally, he just out there whipping your ass and dapping you up. Yes. Yeah. Loris Taylor is a different variety of crazy person. Yeah. Right? Like, like, Jess, when you hear him talk about playing,

when you just, like, the NFL films clips of him. Like, he's a terrifying person as opposed to simply being a terrifying opponent. As I go through my mind of the best defensive linemen or edge rushers that in the history, the archetype mentally is not the Jesus guy. Like, we're talking Charles Haley,

we're talking Lawrence Taylor, we're talking John Randall. I mean, I guess maybe Derek Thomas is a little bit more like on the mellow side. But yeah, I go with what I know. Reggie White is just the strongest bad

like strong in a way that you don't get from the gym. Yeah, for sure. The clips, well, there's two of them. One, that time, and I'm pretty sure Brian Billick was the offensive coordinator when this happened. And I just don't understand how he drew up a play that involved Chris Carter

being the guy that had to block Reggie White. And all Reggie White did was pick Chris Carter up and throw him into Warren Moon. There were three Hall of Famers in this play. One of them picked the other up and threw him at the third. And when you hear me say that, you're like, he didn't throw Chris Carter at him. Go look it up. He picked up a grown man and threw him into another one like it was a bowling alley.

I remember that play. I remember it being the hump move. I'm just going to draw it up so I can see it. And also, like, before him, did anyone? one like, that's a move that Reggie White created. Howie Long. Howie Long is the hump move, OG. However, I've never seen the Howie Long, hunt move clips. I've only seen Reggie White,

including the greatest, which is on Thanksgiving Day, he repeatedly threw Larry Allen around. It's like the hip tossing rassling is what the hump move is. This is before we knew Larry Allen was Larry Allen, but we weren't blind. We knew he weighed 350 pounds or whatever it was. Did you get Chris Carter being thrown? No, no, it was worse than I remember.

Yeah. Because you're right. I remember thinking that he was going up field and hit him with a hump move. Reggie White stopped his feet because he was like, oh, Chris Carter, what you doing here? Oh, you're trying to block me. And then took one arm and bashed him. That's a great point. You're like, hey, what are you doing on this side of attack?

Yeah, he stopped. You're like, this ain't your neighborhood. Yeah, and bashed him. But Miles Garrett has a lot of plays that are shocking, strength-wise, like that also. And then he has that thing that he calls the Euro step that he did it to Trent Williams this weekend. I'm sure you can find that tape where he starts outside and George Kittle, two of the best blockers in football. George Kittle and Trent Williams are trying to block him. This man gives George Kittle a shake, gets past him, and then plants off his outside foot and throws his own.

body all the way to the inside. If you haven't seen it yet, you need to find it and jumps all the way to the inside so much so that Trent Williams, the most athletic big man you've ever seen, can't get a hand on him. It's absurd. He plays for bums. And then he has the strength on top of it. He's got all the attributes except for the crazy. And he can hoop. Like, yeah, he like playing with dinosaurs. and shit. Like, I, I, because, and so it's interesting, because he doesn't have the crazy, but he had a brother named Sean Williams who played basketball at Boston College, who appeared to have the crazy. Yeah.

Like, like, there was a little bit, Sean, if, if Sean Williams had his brother's temperament, Miles Garrett had his brother's temperament, both of them would probably be a little bit better. Miles Garrett, there's the other series of clips. I'm going to send him to you at some point, where you can see what he does at, his size and strength, he turns his lower body. So, like, he'll sell upfield with his upper body. And then he'll turn his lower body in order to make the cut to break inside on people. That's why his inside move is so ridiculous.

Because the Olinan don't see it coming because somehow he has the flexibility. Oh, you just got it all, man. Man, speaking of having it all, we're going to switch entire sports. It sounds like Janus and the Bucks are talking again. about whether or not it's best for him to play for them, is best for them to play with him, so forth and so on. They don't really know what to do.

I've said it. Oh, okay, it's worth noting that the last time I looked at the numbers, they were like fourth in the east, and now they are 10 and 13. They have lost eight of their last 10 games. That's why they're having these conversations again. My bad. Like, stay or go.

I just don't know if it doesn't feel that easy. anymore than trade me to a contender. The word contender is a little more vague and trades were a little harder. Didn't he like grab something last night? Yeah, a calf. Yeah. Hold on, hold on.

In a way that if it wasn't Janus, we would, we would raise the question of shenanigans. Remember when he hyper-extended his knee? Yes. And we thought it was over that he scored 60. Like what a championship, as I recall. I believe that might have all been the same season.

But no, after all these reports come out and then he hits the ground and say, my foot hurt. For many other NBA players, we've been like, yeah, your foot hurts. In his case, I believe that he is actually hurt, which, by the way, y'all can talk all you want. If he got a calf injury, I'm going to need to see them MRIs and everything else. Like, y'all going to need to hit the zoom lens as tight as you can before you send them over and we start talking about a trade. For sure. Yeah, no, that, I mean, the way it happened was kind of scary. it was one of those like, it wasn't even in course of play.

He just made a great play, great pass, and then he just, it gets a little scary. I get your point. My first thing when I saw that news this morning was to think that there was shenanigans. Then I watched it and I got real nervous and was like, I hope the MRI is all right. That is, I mean, normally you just, you heard it in practice if it's shenanigans. You ask it a lot of yourself as a performer. It's unnecessary. And I mean, in this day and age, you only got to hurt yourself.

You just tell, like an NBA, tell them, I ain't playing. Well, also, also you can't do it like that in, in, on the court in the NBA no more in these days and times because quite honestly, you might be under FBI investigation. I forgot about that. You about to go check the lines. Yeah, I believe y'all this is, and y'all this is a believable guy. He even did the modern day nonsense, which I guess isn't nonsense. It's a thing now.

It's the first step in the process is changing social media. All he did that. Whose job is that? Do you hire a company to do that? Yeah. All right. I can't imagine that Yonis is scrolling through deleting stuff. Yeah, no, no, no, no.

You get somebody to do that. I, um, you know, talk about that a little bit more. But yeah, you get, you get somebody else to go through and make those moves. There are companies who do this or whoever it is that you trust with the password is to put all the inane, nonsensical posts that you put up to, to make the people feel like you engage with them, right? But he's, he got a lot of that can't go back in him. and so that's why I don't think he would do that.

Like I think he's always afraid he's going to get deported. And like the move it to a contender thing is, I guess this season kind of disproves that. But like don't you automatically become a contender when Yonis shows up? Yes, kind of. But it's a, it appears that you need to have like a deep bag. Yeah.

of players rather than like one with a really heavy thing. First of all, everybody playing for a second. Talked about this. They lost one game, man. Everybody. And the craziest part is everybody's playing for second.

And you know what team is actually in a position to add Janus without having to give up that much relative to what they have? Them. Yeah. They're the ones who could do that. They could make a decision if they wanted to to just be like, nah, we'd rather our run to be like seven years instead of 12. So how about we give you, I don't know, Jalen Williams, huh?

We give you Jailen Williams and maybe a number one pick. Like they could make the trade and then be like, nothing here is different than it was before. My gosh, could you imagine if that he started playing the role that we expect Chet to play? And it's like, and they're having both on the court at the same time. Right. Well, what if they call Milwaukee?

And it's like, well, y'all can have shit. Houston had always been the team that I had looked at. And, you know, the Houston thing is we will not trade our men Thompson. And I think that's ridiculous. As good as I think that he could possibly be, I had him, shingoon, all of y'all can go if we get in yawks. Yeah.

I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, um, that's positioning. That's, I mean, come on. Y'all are crazy. Yeah, like, I mean, look, to get Paul George, the Clippers had to give up now the second best player in the NBA. And look, none of us thought the shame was going to be this good. But that was the one Presti's like,

I ain't leaving without that one. Sorry for the detour. Do you have TikTok? If you send me something, I can look at it. Okay. I mean, it's just a little, you didn't make the face that I was expecting when I told you about the Miles Garrett move,

so I assumed that maybe, which is reasonable, you didn't see it. No, no, give me a look. You weren't watching this non-sgaryie. since the 49ers game. No, I tried. I did. But yeah, I am now very curious to see what it is.

Okay. And the answer to your question, am I on TikTok? No. But if on your laptop, you can watch it on, oh my God. How did, what? This motherfucker teleporting. Yo, that is, I've never seen any player make, like, that's Barry Sanders. This 6-5-300-pound muscle.

bound man out here teleporting. I've never seen anybody on a football field make a jump cut. Like this is Marshall Falk caliber. Jump. That man jumping 10-yard jump. Yo, that's the kind of thing that makes a man, Trent Williams age, retire. Right?

Like, yo, I guess I ain't got it no more, except then you go back and watch it on film and you're like, oh, couldn't nobody else do that with that either. In fact, why doesn't he just do that every time? Because he could just go through you or go around you. That's the thing is the man got one of the best speed rushes and can drop that shoulder and get around edge. He got it all, man. And this defense is always really good and large part because he always out there.

And yet they, as a collective, stink. Mm-hmm. He just driving people back to his power move is stupid. I can't stop watching this. That's why you can tell I'll be distracted We did the yonderous conversation We can get back to it

But I've been distracted The whole time Because I was like But Moni really ain't react the way that I expect it No no no I miss I didn't And after you said that And I put it on

I was like well maybe I'll need to watch it a second time To like fully under No no no Now that I'm watching it for the 12th time and by the way, number 68 on the other side was over there getting worked by the other defense. Like this was going to be a sack even if he didn't get it done.

But there, like somebody, he made that move and somebody actually pushed Purdy into it, which had to make it worse for Purdy. Purdy had to be like, hey, what are you doing here? Do you remember? You're supposed to be outside. I'm in the Miles Gare of Rabbit Hall. Do you remember when he was dribbling a basketball on the field?

like fake drivelin basketball over the center for the bangles. Right before the snap. He was doing like the low crosses. And then went for the rush. Yo, he would, I just realized what he did here. He did a stunt by himself. He was the outside and the inside of the one-man stunt. How is this possible?

Oh, gosh. Oh, gosh. Okay, sorry for those of you who are not watching. I imagine that Ryan can put this in what they call him. Show notes. Yeah. Or something like that. But you, you, you need to see what it is that I just saw.

Yeah. And there's so many of them. There's so many of them. Hey, that was against Trit Williams. I'm looking at other stuff against guys who ain't Trit Williams. Guys that aren't going to the Hall of Fame. That, that aren't a one-man office. He show up your offense.

Get 10 points better immediately when Trit Williams shows up. This, it was, it mattered not. Nothing that he had mattered. Right fast, before we get out of here, it feels like either the Chiefs or the Texans, it feels like one of their seasons is going to end this week, but it feels a little dramatic to say.

But I feel like if it's the Chiefs, it's over. Is that fair? Yeah, I agree. I mean, the Chiefs have had a number of big games already in this season, and I feel like they've lost them all, which maybe... Well, they beat Indianapolis, right?

Yeah, they did beat Indianapolis. That was a big game win. You're right. But this one, so maybe I was going to say that maybe my best faith for the chiefs is that they do, but maybe they not do because they got one big game win. But I mean, I don't feel confident for the chiefs. Of course, Patrick Mahomes, we all respect them and we know it's possible.

But the O-line injuries combined with, I don't care if your O-line is injured or not. That Texas defensive front is insane. And there are really no holes out there because it's like we don't have to blitz. We also don't have to sit back in coverage because we got cover guys. Like they could blitz if they wanted to. to, but they don't need to. And they could sit back and like double team everybody if they wanted to, but they don't need to because both of their corners are pretty good. You could attack the linebackers,

I guess, in past coverage, but like, that ain't a long, like, now you're going to have to dunk it all the way down the field, which I don't know. I don't feel great about this. Of course, it's Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reeve, all that stuff. I had respect that they could get it done. But the question is, will the Texans offense be able to score enough points? Because I don't think that the Chief's offense is going to have much for this Texas defense. But if the Chiefs win this, it is totally possible that they can win out. Yeah, and if they're getting the playoffs then, I mean. I mean, it's on the board.

The big thing is they need to catch the Chargers. Charters are two games up on them. I don't know what the tiebreaker is if the Chiefs split because the Chiefs lost the first game of the year of the Chargers. So I don't know exactly how it plays out or hope that Buffalo starts falling off, you know, which is 100% on the board. Yeah, Buffalo got the Bengals this weekend. might be them. Yeah, I will. I also want to say this about the Texans.

And I've said this. People have been reluctant to get back hip with this, but we got to be real. The Will Anderson trade worked out. Right. Right. Because it looked ridiculous at the time because we thought they were going to be back in the top five the next year. No, they weren't. Right. It turned out to be a mid to late first round pick that they sent to Arizona in order to get Will Anderson. So they got CJ Stroud and Will Anderson in the same year. They got the two things you want to build around. right there. And they got a great coach, and we just thought that it was going to be smooth sailing for them. For some reason, they refused to address the offensive line issues, and the quarterback keeps getting hurt, and their receivers, they lose in receivers. It's rough. But this team was like,

expected, well, you remember when they both brought in both those rookies and they were great off the bat? And we're like, all right, long runway. They're getting towards the time where it's time to start signing them people, and the runway gets a little bit more precarious. Yep. But, They're another one, though. They have a winning out is on the board. Chiefs, Cardinals, Raiders, Chargers, and the not as good as they used to be Colts. Yeah, that's, I mean, is this, do you find this year,

like more fun or less fun? I guess it's not a fair question, but you get the point. It's a great question. I don't, I like there to be a great team. Yeah, me too. And that, and that ain't here. Yeah, me too. I mean, unless you think the 11 and two Patriots are great,

and I just can't, I can't get myself there yet. Yeah, I mean, the 11 and two Patriots have some issues. And of course, the funny thing about that is they, their schedule hasn't been super tough, but then you look around and like, ain't nobody out here that's really that good. Yeah. It just, it feels like we are in a little bit of a transition stage.

But yeah, I don't know, I love it. But it also looks like all the good quarterbacks are not going to make the playoffs. Like, that's the part that I don't know how anybody, actually feels about that. Like, if we look at who makes the playoffs right now, let me pull this up so it gives me, uh,

just who's going to be in the playoffs right now. Okay, so the playoffs from the AFC, if they started today, Drake May, who is good, but like not the guys were used to, I guess it's a better way to do it. Drake May, Bo Nix, Trevor Lawrence, I guess, oh, Lamar Jackson, I've heard of him. Um, Justin Herbert.

He ain't playing well, though. Right, he's not playing well. He's not healthy right now either. And then Daniel Jones. In the NFC, we are looking at Caleb Williams, Matthew Stafford, who gave you a Matthew, one of the other kinds of Matthew Stafford games last week. Jalen Hertz, Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, don't believe it,

and Jordan Love. This isn't, you know, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, like, Joe Burrow, like the guys, they're not they. Back Prescott. Right. who is playing lights out football guys. Like there will be a football game played between this recording and you hearing this.

So it's possible that statement could be laughable. Nah, no, it's not possible. He's going to play a game in the dark because he's continuing. He will continue to play lights out football. You can laugh at me if you want to. But I think I feel pretty safe, especially seeing what Joy and Love did to that defense.

Last week. I don't want to talk about it. Oh, yeah. I forgot. Look, man, here's the thing. And they're hurt up and down again. And this happens with the 49ers, too, the most physical team in the league. Like, the physics of it is such that you're going to take some of those blows, too.

Like, I still think this has been a good team. And I think they're, the weakness we saw in week one is the one that got them. The interior offensive line has been big problem. They're down on defense like guys. So that's its own thing. But what do you make of this? For people who don't know this story, Frank Ragnow played center for the lions for many, many years. He retired after last season. He wanted to come back this season.

The lion signed him. They gave him a physical and he failed the physical, not because it was like something wrong with his kidney or something deep down in there. He had a grade three hamstring strain and was trying to come play football. Does he love the lions that much? I have so many questions. What was he doing, by the way, as a non-football player? Like, what? I'm a, how do you get that level? Maybe he's still training, but also like I've never, like I've pulled a quad before,

but I've never like had any hamstring issues. But like, it hurts. You know this. Grade three, grade three mean his white leg was black in that spot. And his muscle was not functioning without pain. But he,

offensive alignment. I have no idea what he, he thought when he showed up and knocked on their door and was like, hey, ready to play. What he thought was wrong? Imagine the look on their faces when they took that MRI and they held that bitch up to the light. And they were like, come, come look at this. You see what I see, right? Where he leaped up to the facility and knocked on the door.

What were all that, what were they thinking? you just, it's early in the morning, you still gotta warm up, get some blood down. I feel you. Creaky, it's creaky. I feel you. God, I don't get it at all. And so that they just like, all right,

hi, bye, now see ya. But the fact that the Lions entertain this at all tells you, everything that you needed to know about where they stood in that moment. I assume they called him. I assume they called him, right? It's like, they were having issues. They probably called his agent like, hey, what do you think? And he was like, yeah, cool.

I mean, my hammy hurt a little bit, but it's no big deal. I mean, but who else did they call? Did they call Bruce Matthews? Did they call John Hanna? Like, who else? Kevin Glover. I was like they,

Lobis Brown. Oh, my God. Did you give these other guys a ring? I just got the grade three. And I saw, without knowing the context, like, NFL players on Twitter being like, brother, grade three? I'm like, what do you mean? What are you talking about?

And it was like, I don't know the grading system, but I don't think I've ever heard. grade three. Most of times strain or tear. Because once it comes to grade three, the details don't matter. We never got there because normally like a strain

is a tear or it's like a small tear. So that's what that's like I'm assuming like grade one. And then they say it's a tear. I'm like, oh, that's bad. That's grade two probably. I didn't know that you could do more than that. That's like a category five hurricane. I've heard of it, but you didn't even need to tell me that.

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