Domonique Foxworth reacts to Daniel Jones Getting PAID, Ravens Next Steps & Geno’s Jets Reunion | 3.12
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00:25Oh, yeah.Yeah, Dominic Fosworth.What's going on?Tuesday night, the ridiculous night in sports, man.I just thought I was going to be chilling in New York,hanging out, having a good time,and watch a little bit of tennis,watch a little bit of Wimby v.
00:42The Celtics, and then shit fell apart.I'm watching Bam out of Bayou against a whiz,and then the Max Crosby thing happens.And all the emails that I sent in show preparationfor get up the next morning, worthless.Wasting my time, doing research, prepare for that.And y'all wind up in a wild thingwould get up on that,
01:02because I see what they got to do.They got to get some basketball people on deck.They got the football people on deck.And then we just go on see.That baseball, they try to squeeze baseball in there.Oh, that's right.Apparently the manager and the USA team don't understand how to make itout of the pool stage and to the knockout round.
01:23Oh, man, I felt so bad for him.Somebody gave him some bad information.And so he thought that they was in and then they wasn't in.and then they went and lost to Italy.They went and lost to the fighting Tyrico in that game.And so the World Baseball Classic is interestingbecause it's only a very small number of countriesthat should really be participating in this.
01:49That I actually have the manpower to do this.It is the United States.It is the Dominican.I guess Puerto Rico gets to compete as itself.Venezuela.You guys can participate in this.But that's really just about it.Brother, otherwise, they'd just be making
02:06shit up to get these cats.I mean, Japan, right?Oh, yeah, Japan.Japan, South Korea, right?They could put this together.But I saw that Jose Contreras son,Jose Contreras, who, by the way, is from Cuba,his son is 17 years old
02:22and he plays in the Atlanta metro areaand he played for Brazil.I can't think of asingle Brazilian baseball playeroff the top of my head.Don't Clay Thompson brotherplay for the British team?Wow, that's interesting.
02:38The best draw Clay Thompson.That's right. Bahamas.They're daddy from the ball.They're really doing some colonialgames in order to make this happen.I mean, the U.S. team doesn't seem tocare all that much.But I can't imagine that any
02:54of these other countries really care.I think we got some cool moments.when it's like we got Otani pitching to trout like last like we have some cool moments.But overall, and so it's surprising that the ratings actually are like better than youwould expect.I guess we just like anything patriotic right now maybe.I don't know.I think it's a cool event in large part because for Americans, you get to watch people have
03:22fun playing baseball, which you have never seen before.Right?Like those Dominican cats, you know, them cats from around there.And once you see them play, it's just a whole different situation.Like, it is a totally contrived event, right?I bristle at the idea of playing for your country.You are playing on the American team in this shit they made up.You know what I mean?
03:47Like, this is not, if you really doing it for your country,here's what you'd be like this.You understand what I'm saying?Like, you're going to have a hat that's flat on the top.if you're really doing this like foyo country.This is just an event that they put together.So you say it's totally contrived.I agree with that.
04:05But when, how many years does something have to go on before is not totally contrived?Because is it everything totally contrived to the beginning?Like all leagues totally contrived?No, what I am saying is the contrived part is the idea that this is about something bigger.Oh, okay.Yeah.Right.Like it's the America team.
04:25Yeah.And they play in.playing for your country.Mike Piazza, when he did this,he was playing for Italybecause they needed some people on the Italy team.I have no idea how many of them catson the Israel team are actually Israelis
04:42or, you know, from somewhere in Americaand putting on for Israel.The, I mean, it's,there are good games.So I'll enjoy watching my kids compete.It's because I know who the good guys are and I know who the bad guys are.And like I have some steak in it, you know, like my team is the good guys.And the same thing when you watch a team that you care about.
05:09It is hard, which is why a lot of people gamble.It's hard to get into games with two teams that you're not moved by or players that you don't know or care about.That's the secret shortcut to this is you turn it on and you know who the good guys are.Oh, well, you know who you're rooting for and you know who you root it against because it makes it pretty clear.So that's a little bit of the cheat codebecause I'd be much more willing to watch thatthan it's just like a random regular season baseball gamethat I don't care about.
05:38Oh, USA? All right. Let's go team.No, no, you're right. All of that's fair.There are some stakes. They're there. But no, it's a fun of it.I can see why people watch it, right?Like, I get that.Let me tell you what I don't get. And I really don't get this.You tell me if I'm tripping here.Last show we did with Danny Parkins.
05:55We talked about how Daniel Jones is out herefor $50 million a year when the Colts were like, you will take this 37 and you will like it.But it actually turns out they were not saying you will take this 37 and you like it.They came around right after we had recorded that and they are giving Daniel Jones two-year deal,$88 million base, $50 million guaranteed at signing, $60 million guaranteed for injury,maximum value for $100 million.And you watch these things more closely than I do.Daniel Jones looked like to me something we've seen many,
06:28many times, which is somebody gets in a new situation and gets off to a hot start.And then everybody was like, wait a minute, man, it's Daniel Jones.And then he went back to playing like Daniel Jones before he suffered an Achilles injury.So this is a world where somebody's falling over themselves to give him $50 million.And the Arizona Cardinals are willing to eat $30-something million to tell Kyler Murray,who I'm pretty sure is a better player to go away.60 million to tell two of to beat it.Right.
07:01Who's had a better season.Maybe you wouldn't argue he's a better player,but at least has had a better season.When did Daniel Jones turn into a guy you paid $50 million to?Yeah.Far be it from me to knock anybody for getting their money.However, this seems like a situation where the circumstanceshave worked in his benefit.
07:23It's Kurt Cousins-esque,and that the circumstances work to your benefit in such way.But it's not even fair to Kirk Cousersbecause Kirk Cousers is put together a longer stretchand more impressive careerthan I think Daniel Jones has at this point.Yes.And before you even get to the Achilles part,
07:40the Cillies part mattersbecause that is one of the few remaining injuriesthat make us nervous long term, right?So like ACL doesn't really make us nervous that much long term.And at one point, that was it.there's a few injuries that's like, all right, let me be a little hesitant.Yeah, you know, like we haven't really seen it in football.I know Jason Tatum's back in basketball, but like Aaron Rogers, that wasn't great, guys.
08:05Like, Kirk Cousins came back at one great, guys.But I don't even think that it's the fact that it's Achilles that jumps out.It's the fact that it's Daniel Jones and that he also broke his leg last year.And I don't remember the last time Daniel Jones,had a full, I guess he got a contract extension.That was the last time he had a full healthy season, right?And so you combine the fact that he's never had a great season.He's had maybe one fully healthy season.
08:37That is not the type of player that you want to,that you necessarily think that you have to extend.But I guess that's why they put him on a two-year deal.It's a result of, I think Ballard, the GM there,feeling like his back's against the wall.And Daniel Jones, if he takes this transition tag and it's like, I'm not signing ittill week one, I'm not going to do anything.Like that puts you under the eight ball and for what reason?
09:05Why not trade away whatever you got and give whatever contracts you need to give to give yourselfthe best chance to demonstrate to the newer decision makers at that organization that youare the right guy to stay here for a few more years.Man, they love giving Daniel Jones.Just finding a reason to get that boy some money.Same thing with Sam Donald.People are just like, hey, man, if you just give us the opportunity, man,we'd love to give you a bunch of money, right?
09:33And I mean, they all worked out, I guess, in the way for him.But with Daniel Jones, we talked about this.I'm like, he's Daniel Jones coming off in to kill it.Daniel Jones, who needs to run.Like, it's been established that he needs to have them DeAndre plays put in there forhim in order for you to get it, right?Like if you just treat him how he looked, it ain't going to work out so well.But you throw in a, you throw some apostrophe plays in that for him.
09:57You know what I'm saying?And then some direction gets opened up.And you could do a little bit more.Anthony Richardson asked for a trade.And if I'm the Colts, no, buddy, you're staying right here.We ain't fully gave up on you yet.They may need him next year.And if Daniel Jones can reach the point to be a $50 million quarterback,
10:17don't tell me it's over for Anthony Richardson.And obviously I haven't done.I refuse to give up, by the way.Yeah, yeah, yeah.I was going to breathe by that because he hasn't given you much to be excited.Neither had Daniel Jones for his first two years as the NFL start.That's fair.It could come around.
10:34It might.But what surprised me is that they weren't in on the Kyla Murray situation,especially given Shane Steichen's history.I'm surprised.I would be surprised.And I haven't talked to Shane Steichen.But I'd be surprised if Shane Steichen was like looking at the available quarterbacks and then go upstairs to Chris Ballard's office and said, let me holl at this guy.Because we remember Shane Steichen got this job because of what he was able to do in Philadelphia with Jalen Hertz.
11:05I'd be shocked if he looked at Kyler-Murray combined with Jonathan Taylor, Warren, that tight end they have is awesome.A very good offensive line.and they extend peers, I'd be shocked if he wasn't like,hey, go give Kyle and Murray that $1 million,but Kyler might have just been like, nah,these Vikings got what I need.Or Shane Steichen called his old co-worker.Yeah.
11:32Jonathan Gannon.And it was like, what's in like working with Kyle of Murray?And he was like, how much time you got?But I agree.That's a possibility.I'm just saying that's a hypothesis.I'm not saying that's a good enough reason.No, it certainly is a hypothesis,
11:48but I'm putting myself in his shoes,and I've heard a lot of the same thingsthat Jonathan Gannon might tell Shane Steichen,and my job on the line,I'm looking at Daniel Jones in a boot,and I'm possibly consideringKyle Murray moodless.Kyle Murray humbled, possibly.
12:14Maybe we got a new Kyle Murray that want to show something.Whatever.I'm going to bring Kyle Murray in for that $1 million and say, look here, Carla, I don't know about none of that.I don't care.We're going to ball out this year because you know what happens after this year?If you ball out, massive extension.If I ball out, massive extension.You and me, Kyler, I don't give a damn about, this is the speech I'm giving them.
12:39I don't give a damn about none of that.You and me, we're going to get a two-bedroom apartment.We're going to get up at five in the morning together.We're going to carpool our narrow asses to the facility together.We're going to lift, watch film, and work together.It's going to be one year of hell.For you and me, I'm going to hate it too.When Call of Duty come out, I'm with you.
13:05I'm going to give you, I'm an evac you.If you down, I'm going to revive you in Call of Duty.We together.I'm not going to like it.You're not going to like it.But you know what?Come January, February time, you and me,we're going to get paid.
13:21You can go somewhere else.I can go somewhere else.It don't matter.But we need each other right now.I would try to sell that to Calderbury if I could.You're like, he about, you about to be the meme.He about to be the meme of a brother-man coach.Now bring me my money.
13:38Yep, exactly.Go to do the Roy Williams strut right in.Right in the ownership.We got to get this bread, dog.I don't get it.You can tell them.You've written about it.You've had to, let's get this money season.
13:53Oh, yeah.Yeah.It was, I've told you and I've written about how it was probably the closest I'veever felt to depression because it was not fun.I got traded right before my contract year.And I was like, holy, it was a realization.And it's different for Kyle Murray.He was a number one overall pick.
14:12His money was different than mine was.But at that time, it was like, holy shit, all that I've dedicated my life to, right now, it comes down to this season.Either I play poorly and I got a couple hundred thousand dollars in a bank, which ain't bad.A couple hundred thousand dollars in my mid-20s, no professional experience.Damn it.Or got some M's and life looking pretty bright.That's a lot of pressure.Then you get traded and you live it out of a hotel room and it was miserable.
14:48I wasn't watching shit, but film and only Sunny in Philadelphia trying to force myself to get a laugh.That was it.Off my broke-ass laptop.You helped teach something that's very important.I always say focus is a skill, right?Focus is a resource.And we always talk about the contract here.They'd be like, yeah, he's doing that because of money on the line.
15:08Yes and no, right?obviously we as humans cannot always tap in to the utmost focus for whatever reason, right?Sometimes it's different than others.Like sometimes in the gym, you lift a little mow, you know, sometimes you throw it up 30.Sometimes you throw it up 20s, right?It just, like, it just go that way sometimes.But that got to, that got to make that focus.That got to is a cousin of can't go back.
15:36There's nothing stronger than can't go back.I'm not saying that I had to can't go back, of course it through my veins, but I had to got to, course it through that.And that's pretty damn strong.And yeah, I read a book a while ago called Scarcity, and it talked a lot about, like, the benefits and the drawbacks of, like, feeling that pressure and that scarcity.But, yeah, we're people, man.You can't simulate.It's something we talk about all the time.It's like you can't simulate real desperation.
16:05Like, you can't fake that.We read articles.maybe they're true, maybe not.Like moms getting superpowerswhen their kids in dangerand lifting up cars and shit like that.I don't know, but I know that shit feel different sometimes.And I believe it.
16:19We tell you what I believe in that mom's superpower type stuff.It was the NFC championship game.I've talked about this on the show before.If you've never seen it, look it up.My head, I maybe made it a little bit more hyperbolein watching it, but when you watch it,you'll still see what I'm talking about.So in the year of our Lord 2009, Adrian Peterson had a real problem with fumbling, right?
16:42They just kept taking the ball out of his hands, which seems impossible for a man whose greatest known feet is his handshake, right?But for whatever reason, people kept making him fumble.And in that NFC championship game, I want to say he had multiple fumbles.But the last fumble he had, he recovered it himself.And it looked like the equivalent of.of what if somebody jumped from the bottom of the pooland landed on their feet with just one jump,not even pulling themselves off the wall?
17:15Like Agent Peterson understood,now was not the time to lose a fumble.It is one of the most incredible things I have ever seen in my life.And it would not have been the case in week two.It would not have been the case in week seven.It happened right then and there.That was, I've told this a bunch of times,but you know this, that that was one of the differences
17:33that I thought that I saw in,and Ray Lewis in any other play.Like you, you can point to all the special things about him.But one of the differences that I saw in him was somehow the level,like my most important can't go back,everything's on the line, high pressure,that level of focus and intensity was that fool's baseline.Like, I don't know if he got higher than that for other, like, high intensity
18:06games, I couldn't really tellbecause it felt intense. Like when we're in the playoffstogether, it feels intense. I wasn'ton the Super Bowl team, either of hisSuper Bowl team, so maybe it was higher thantoo. But I know that I lookedat him before every randomgame and was like, at this
18:22point in your career, how youcare this much right now?You can't fake it, man. You can'tmake it. And something about, and that might besome other players might be like that. And maybe he takesit to an even higher level when heknocking out Eddie George in the playoffs.It's possible, but it's a special amount of focus.
18:40That's Michael Jordan.Yeah, the same thing.And to your point, that focus is the resource, you're right.Like, some people, it's the same way to like speed as a resource.Of course, you're going to run faster, sometimes slower, sometimes,and some people start at a higher point.Like, some people have some issues with attention.That man can focus.
18:58That's what I would say.We clearly recognize that, like, there's only a certain endowment of thisbecause people spend all kind of money on dope.Oh, yeah, for sure.so they can get it back.You know what I'm saying?It's the whole industry based around I can help you focus.I get it.
19:13Yeah, I was listening to some podcast this morning about politics.It was talking about how power is a combination of resources and will.It's like the calculation that makes power.And I was thinking about that in a sports context or an athlete's context.And the will is kind of the focus part to some degree.It's like, and that's the can.go back. So, like, yeah, there's, there are some things that are different that you can'tcreate. And like, yeah, the resources are whatever you have physically, yeah. But that doesn't,
19:44like, we all know great athletes that didn't figure it out, didn't make it anywhere. That,that will something strong, man. Yeah, man, by the way, since you mentioned the Ravens, man,what the hell they up there doing, Doug? I was, I sent a text to me and I asked the question.We used to have a word for what the Ravens did, but we never replaced it with something morepolitically correct. So like what kind ofgiven did they engage in? And ifone word, if one wordto refer to it is Caucasian given,
20:12would that be offensive?Yeah.At this time,I wouldn't mess around with it.No, I wouldn't do that either.Like, I don't recommend anybody.I don't think nobody should make that point.But, you know,
20:26your European strings attached,maybe? I don't know.I like that. Yeah, I like that.Yeah. You know, it was likeThe Ravens did. The Ravens is like when you accidentallysent a text and it's hanging in the airand you really don't want it to go through, but you got toturn the whole computer off.
20:41All right, you got to turn the whole phone off.That's what they did. They didn't turn the whole phone off.And then, and thenwhen it came down to it, somebody was like,oh, they ain't tell you?You ain't heard?Huh.Oh, they ain't tell you. It's hilarious.
21:00You know, that's when everybody elseis bullshit.And everybody ain't tell you.I'm talking about it ain't that motherfucker looking like a triangle.Like looking like recycle, reduce, reuse.Everybody just pointing around, pointing around at each other.It's bad, man.As the time has gone on, it feels like the NFL world is all looking at the Ravens funny.
21:27Right?Yeah.And I still stand by the fact that I think that.that the outcome that they would have preferred is a fully healthy Max Crosby. I think he's thatgood. I think they would have preferred to have gotten him for the picks that they sent awayat whatever level they expect. But I also think it's really, it's very reasonable to thinkthat the circumstances change. So we say pass fail for the physical. And this is how I explainedit on my show is like, we say pass fail like there is, like there's some,
22:03absolute to it. Like it's a light switch.Like it's something that all people would say, I understand.Like, no, the pass-fail line for a physical moves based on your circumstances.So like, if I am getting you for league minimum, what I would require for you to consider youpass is lower, right? If I am looking to draft you number one overall,and what I would require would be higher.If I am giving two first round picks to get you, it's going to be higher.If a suitable replacement we discover is a little less expensive than we thought,
22:48what I would require for your knee to look like goes up a little higher.And that, like, it's one of those conspiracy theories that is so, like, logical that it feels less conspiratorial.It was like, oh, Trey took a minute for Trey yesterday.It's the fact that they did not try to change the terms of the deal.That's what we think.Yeah, like, if they had been like, all right, to take this down to a one and a three, right?But they didn't do that.They was like, you know what?
23:22No, no, no, no, no, no.We're good.We good.Nah, no, no, it's okay.I just, here's my receipt.Can you put it back on my card?No, no, I don't want no store credit.I don't want no store credit.
23:34I want that back on my card.They asked you, what was the problem with it?You're like, I don't know the knee, isn't it?Yeah, you know what it is?That's actually now we got even better.They tried to take back an open box.Yeah.Like, you know what the open box, anything is possible.
23:55Right.They took the open box.They were like, y'all, I need a refund on this open box.they're like, yo, but it's an open box.You can't do that. Yeah, that's fine, but we need a refund, right?But like, we looked inside and it's broke.And it's like, but you knew it was an open box.But this is, this, as we search around for the perfect analogy,
24:16where the Raiders get into a tough situation is they gave them max on consignment.They didn't get paid.because then that's the thing to storeonce they got your moneyyou come back and they're like, it's open box.Oh, I'm not going to give you the money.You're going to have to rip it out the register.The Ravens never paid.
24:41They called the credit card company and said,cancel that.Cancel that before they can process it.Cancel it.The Ravens just over there.Like, now, like, we're going to get him out of here,but he don't want to be here no more.Like, at least they don't have to put them back in uniform, right?
24:58Like, at least they didn't do this at the train.trade deadline. The worst part, I think, for the Raiders is that they are in a much worse position than theywere before. Like, had they never even gotten into this agreement with the Ravens, Max Crosby'svalue would be higher and they could get one of those other. So Max Crosby's value is depressed now.So they got, the deal got a reneged and they got back a less valuable piece. And the Ravens wenton to get back their picks that are still just.as valuable as they were beforeand a replacement
25:32for the positionthat they needed.Well, let me ask you this. What do you thinkof all these people that are nowlike, we hear people talk aboutthe Ravens like it's a clown showand I had spent the last two and a halfdecades people talking about it's the best wrong organization
25:49in the league.That was what bought them somegoodwill with me at least was like, thatsounds absurd. The Ravensdon't do that. The Ravens don't do that.the Ravens, though, that ain't, that ain't how the Ravens operate.Ozzy?Nah, no, that ain't gone.
26:04That ain't what they would do, but it feels like it doesn't take much.I tell, yeah, I definitely can't tell this story on here,but one of my college coaches told a story once that stuck with me.It was called Pierre, he called it Pierre, the bridge builder.And I know, I know, I know similar analogs about that one.I think I've told you before, but yeah.Yeah, well, does it involve a goat at some point?It doesn't, but yeah, the same sort of thing.
26:34Yeah, the version I heard involves a goat.Yeah, this was in the early 2000s,and we were hyper-masculine football players.So he went with something that those type of peoplewould find incredibly offensive at that time.I don't think it would work.The goat might be more offensive now,but back then he wanted you to know that would the thing
26:57that you would most hate to be consideredin 2001, you eat because you did it once.You get called one time.Yeah, that's what you will be forever.That's the essence of the story.Pierre the Bridgebuilder was the greatest bridge building.He built lots of bridges and everyone revered himas being a great bridge builder.
27:13Then somebody called him doing something once, one time.And from that on, nobody called him Pierre the Bridgebuilder.They remind me of my homeboy elementary school named P.P. Greg.Pee on himself, just a couple times in elementary school.He did a bunch of other things.still call that man PP to this day.Yeah, there was some dude that was allegedlyin high school caught in the bathroom playing a solo.
27:38Yeah.I don't even know if it actually happened,but he was J.O.B. until the end.It had wore off by the time reunion came around.They called that bad J.O.B.I don't even know what J.O.B stood for him.This name was J.O.P. forever.I mean, that's the best possible outcome
27:56because at some point it becomes a nicknameand nobody knows what it comes fromand just hope that they don't ask the originsbecause like Pee-P-Greg eventually just became P.Like he went to Pee-B-Greg, we called Pee-B-G,then it was just Pee-Pee, then eventually it's just Pee.No Pee's in his name anywhere to be found.Sooner later, where Pee at?
28:17Where Pee? It's like the man...My swaggy Pee.Yeah, the man Pee Pee Pee Peeed on himselfa few times in the third grade.Pee-P-G forever.All right, coming up next.We got more with Dominique Fonsworth,included the most amazing full circle story
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32:09I mean, it had to be a last resort, man.Like, if I was Gino, I would do all things possibleto avoid giving people the opportunity to revisit that story, man.Or any of it.And, okay, it's very difficult for me to judge Ginoon what happened last year with the Raidersbecause it was such a disasterwhat was going on with that team, right?
32:32However, Aaron Glenn didn't appear to do a much better job last yearthan Pink Carroll did, okay?He also has done a terrible jobin dealing with the media.I don't think Aaron Glenn is being extendedbut so much courtesy this year.And your black head coachbringing in the black quarterback that the fans hated,
32:54whether they were being fair or not is not the point.This seems like a situation that is not,it doesn't seem conducive to success for anybody involved,but I'm also not sure that there was going to be a better quarterbackthat the Jets could get.That's the thing.It's like I'm not sure how I would classify Jets fans,like on the spectrum of like informed fans or not or educated fans
33:19and not like traditional education.Just like how much.they know about the football world.And because I think if they are, they are welcoming Gino Smith.Yes.I think it seems obviously that you do not have a franchise that or a situation right nowthat is advantageous to a starting level quarterback.And Gino Smith seems to be that.
33:47So maybe they'll be upset or not welcome him or have a short kind of,fused with him because of their history with him.But I don't know who they think was they were going to get.That's better than that.Like, given a situation right now.Yeah, no, it's just if he had not played for them before,I don't think I would view this in the same manner.Now, have you seen the run through of all the quarterbacks since G&O's first
34:14start with the Jets, all the quarterbacks that they started before they bring this backaround?I haven't, man.Okay, I'm going to run through the names and I'm not going to really stop.I'm just going to run through them, and I'm going to be curious if you have the same observation at the end that I did.And keeping in mind, we're talking about the versions of these players as they were with the Jets.Okay.Matt Sims, Michael Vick, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Bryce Petty, Josh McCown, Sam Darnold, Trevor Simeon, Luke Falk, Joe Flacco, Zach Wilson, Mike White, Josh Johnson, Chris Streveler.
34:51I've never heard of him.Aaron Rogers, Tim Boyle, to Rod Taylor, Justin Fields, and Brady Cook.You know what I feel like they all have in common?I'm not sure any of them while with the Jets, with except for 2015.How many of them were actually better?Like, if at the same time they were there, the Jets had had Gino Smith,they probably would have been better off.Like, you look at the run of quarterbacks they had post-Geno,
35:16and it's like, you know, the same way they keep talking about Sam Darnel,if they had just waited and giving them a little bit more time,Apparently they should have had Gino Smith as the quarterback for 13 years.I mean, that's my point is I think they know that.That's what I'm saying.It's like, I don't know how smart they are as football fans.But if there's someone in this marriage or this connection,because it's multiple parties, that should feel like appreciative,
35:44is the Jets fans, the Jets organization?Like, he's the one that comes in, I think.And even coming off as bad as season he's had last year,I think most people attribute that to what was happening around him.He's the one who I think might have had more options.Like, I actually think that the Falcons, given that they went with Tua,probably should have been, I guess the left-handed thing mattered more than I thought it should.They probably should have been thinking about Gino.
36:15They also got Tua for minimum wage.Right. Fair.Gino ain't showing up for no minimum wage.Like, honestly, I think the Raiders should have kept them.Yeah.Like, there's no reason for Gino not to be your starter next year.Like, I don't, there is no, you're not trotting John Elway out there.You're not trotting Andrew Luck out there, right?
36:35Like, you're not trotting out a quarterback that I feel like is like, oh, we got to hurry out and get them on the field for the fans.I feel like they're drafting a quarterback that you could definitely be like, hey, post up for a little bit, big dog.We'll get, we'll get back to you.Yeah.definitely what, well, I guess you have to,he might also just be so pissed off and annoyed that,uh,that he's just scoring and maybe they're not looking to deal with that.
37:01But if he,the idea that he was happy and comfortable with going to the Jetssuggest that he was not like thinking,oh man,this is my chance to make it big.I can't stay around here and help transition.Right.Right.
37:17Yeah.No, this is this.I talked about this a little bit with Parkins, but it's very interesting.This is a year where there feels like there's been more mobility than ever for just kind of regular dudes.Like I feel like like Kyle or Murray, even Gino Smith, I watch Alex Smith get traded repeatedly.And the point I'm making is, and I guess Gino Smith was traded, though, was for like a six-round pick or something like that.But I feel like these are quarterbacks that are a little bit too good for somebody to just be able to get like this.Is that because just the quality of quarterback has gone up?
37:49Or do you think that this is a, this is like an aberration?Right.Like these type of guys like in the rankings of quarterback always were available to move around.But this batch of quarterbacks was also never this talented.Yeah, it's a good question because it was a couple years ago,it felt like everything was wrong in quarterback world.You know what I mean?Like, I can never keep up on whether or not we are the golden era of quarterbacks or hard times.
38:21I mean, it's so few places, only 32 teams.If you get a batch of five to six young guys that come in and you maintain like four or five old guys,then the league is flush.Yeah.Well, look, Trevor Lawrence finally got his shit together, right?You know what I'm saying?Baker Mayfield ain't above no more.Sam Darnold, that happened.
38:41You know what I'm saying?It just takes a couple of terms.Don't let JJ McCarthy get this shit, right?Yeah.And I mean, the JJ McCarthy draft, not including him, three really good guys.And getting a new coach in Chicago has helped with Caleb.That's right.Yeah, we got three really good young guys.
38:58And Stroud, who is a little bit on thin ice.But he's a legitimate starting quarterback.It's just like we had, we had.And it's also quarterback's playing longer, I think, too.is we had a long stretch of guys that,I don't know, I guess it's a surprise to mehow fast it feels like we switched overto like the Mahomes, Allen, Lamar guys.
39:23Like they're getting real close to old guy.They are.They are.And it's going to be different because we went through this runwhere we had super old guys, right?We had Brady, Breeze, Manning play forever.That's not really how this works.It's not how it used to work.
39:42I mean, I guess the question is, is that how it works going forward?And Brady, Breeze Manning are different types of quarterback.So you could make the argument either way that, like, science is better,take care of your body is better so they'll play longer.But you could also say these quarterbacks play differently than those quarterbacks.So maybe they won't be effective as long as those guys.I don't know.I feel like the rest of these cats seem to be still, like, falling apart.
40:05You know what I'm saying?They are. I want to run this by the people right fast.It appears per ESPN has his report and per a memo that the owner Steve, Steve Tish,and I think you've got a couple siblings.They own a big piece of the Giants.So like we've referred to Steve Tish as co-owner of the Giants for a very long time.Anyway, if you hit Control F on Tish, he come up in them files, right?And he came up because the girls was complaining.
40:38They thought that this was just about a little bit of businessand maybe they go, you know, do the thing.And then maybe he'll put him in a movie.But it turned out that he was wooka punub and all the wall paces.And he kept trying to hang out with them and they didn't like that.Anyway, it appears that the tishes want to put their stakes of the teaminto the trusts of their children.Epstein strikes again.
41:06Yeah, everywhere.man, everywhere.Like, there's nothing.Obviously, that it feels like there's somethingaround the league that's going to happen there.Like, they're not doing that for fun.Like, I imagine that Steve Tisch would have rode this out.There's, like, my assumption is there's a penalty coming.
41:26There's a decision being made.That's why these steps are being taken.So, yeah, but it's just like, up, it's crept up.It's here.It's here.You got caught up.Got caught up.You got caught up.
41:42Last thing.What did you think about the NFLexploring, playing the gameon Thanksgiving Eve?I believe thatoversaturation is a thing.As the NBA.I also recognize
42:02that if I had somethingthat people was willing to pay a billion dollars for,I figure out how to make new ones all the time.If I had a widget that people was like,I'd give you a billion dollars for,I would chop that thing up,step on it so many times,cut that thing,
42:22twisted and reverse it,and sell it to them again.Like,I can't blame them for doing it,but as someone who's not going to,like, make any more money off of this,like I recognize that,God, like, there was part of the reason
42:36why I think the NFL has,taking over this country as far as a media product is concerned.Part of the reason is because of the value and the exclusivityand the eventization of every Sunday, every Monday, every Thursday.I know we got a long way to go, but we add to 16 to 17.They talk about adding 18 now.We got Christmas.We got all the holidays.
43:01They got some shit on Netflix.They got it on Hulu and Peacock.And now they want to take Thanksgiving Eve, which,ain't even a thing. I ain't never heard nobody say Thanksgiving Eve before my life.But yeah, it's hard to argue with the finances of it. This is about like the transitionthat happens for like many great art forms from like art to capitalism. Not that this hashasn't been deeply enmeshed in the capitalism in a long time, but it does feel likethe more you just like sell, sell, sell, the like cheaper it all become. Yeah, my issue is it's a,
43:37a Wednesday night game.Like, you mentioned the NBA.I think a mistake, at least to me, it seems like a mistake the NFL is making.They don't feel like it matters.But the difference between the NFL and the NBA is that the NBA is a players league.And the NFL is not.The NFL is a franchise league.It is a brand league.
43:58But the players at some point do matter.And what we've seen with the NBA as a result of the style of change is the changes ofstyle of play is that the players physically cannot withstand it.Right, right?Like we are seeing their bodies break down and therefore we see less of them and wecomplain about it when they try to do the things to protect or anything else.NFL ain't a game that allow for no low management, right?The stakes are too high.
44:21The margins are too thin.You cannot do that.But all these things they're doing with the games are just making it more and more likelyto people get hurt.And we've had those stretches during this season when you get down and it's the buy weeksand it's not that many teams playing.and then you start looking aroundand these cats just aren't out there.
44:38Like there are stretches of the NFL schedule.Like really, and it's really around this time of Thanksgivingwhen you start putting these gamesand all these different daysand what they start dilutingand where I think they're making a strategic mistakewhen they do this, what they are diluting is the day Sunday.Yeah.
44:55Like what makes y'all shit so much differentthan everything else is y'all got this whole daythat's loaded with stuff.And instead, you put a little bit here,you put a little bit there.It's like Major League Baseball,and I think NFL is going to do this too.We're opening day.
45:09It's not opening day because you started your season in Japan two weeks early, right?And you started diluting the, like opening day of baseball used to be a thingthat I cannot explain to people what it is now because they diluted it so far.So if I'm the NFL, I get that you can get a little more bread by doing this,but I would be trying to figure out how do we protect the sanctity of Sunday.And to me, that's not what they doing here unless they're going to put bums in that game.Yeah, I mean, I think that I agree with you.And the quarterbacks being healthy matters more than anyone else.
45:41Like, it's rough when they do those promos and it's T.J. Watt and Miles Garrett showing up on a Thursday night game.Like, it's a much harder game to sell.The problem is they still get numbers that dwarf any other thing that is on TV.So, like, there's nothing about, they have so much breathing room considering that the NBA numbers get them an absurd.number from TV networks.They have so much breathing room that they're not feeling the pain of this.And I think that the argument that I would make if I were them for why this doesn't changeSunday is there's something different about the one-off game.
46:17The one-off games don't change the fact that Sunday is a deluge, and that's the fun part, right?That's the event part of it, is that, like, yeah, you get one game on Thursday.You get one on Monday.We might give you one on Christmas.we might give you one on Thanksgiving Eve.But, you know, when you're going to drown in football,every Sunday.Yeah, I guess that's it, man.
46:43But this is the Mark Cuban, you know,hogs get slaughtered.Yep.But that was 10 years ago.It looked kind of shaky 10 years ago.Indeed.I mean, honestly, like, I'm not sure I think the big risk for the NFL as crazyas this sounds.
47:01is not all these little things that we're thinking about.The big risk for the NFL is that they become so expensivethat they reduce the amount of buyers that are in the marketand they lose their leverage because what they are selling,only three companies can afford,which I guess maybe that's why they chop it up.That is something I had not considered until you just said it,that I think it's very important, which is,
47:29with all this media consolidation, man,it's only about to be three people out here.Right. And so no matter how, like, imagine the concept that, so here's a good idea.Let's say, let's use the analogy of the NFL selling diamonds, right?That's awesome.When, if you live in a neighborhood where everybody got money and want to buy diamonds,if the NFL is trying to sell diamonds, but they're on the corner.it don't matter how beautiful your diamonds are
48:03if your customers don't got the bread.And so they're going to get to a point where,and I'm sure they're aware of this.I don't know why you're so sure of that.Yeah, I'm not sure.And with the media continuing, like, currently,like media is being allowed to consolidate more and more,is like that is the real risk that the NFL runs
48:25from like a business, like, strategy standpoint.is they have to find a way to make sure that there are enough bidders in the marketthat aren't colluding in any way that can keep buying this shit as it keeps going up.Because I don't think the value of the property is going to go downbefore we end up with two media companies that look at the NFL.Like, all right, come over here for 30 bucks.Go over there for 31 bucks.That's all you got.
48:52What a tie, man.What a time.Also, in case you guys didn't know, it's going to surprise you.but Iran will not be participating in the World Cup.Just letting you in case you thought they might show up as the plucky underdog.The World Cup is in North America this year.Yes.Which I think if you read the comments, hard to push back on what they said.
49:21Yeah, let me tell you this, man.Can you imagine what would happen if somehow Iraq came over here and they made it to like the quarterfiles?Like, do you imagine if it was likeErod in the United Statesplaying in L.A.?Hold on how we get to the quarters?If we were in the same poolor something, I guess we are.
49:44It's already the groups have already been decided.But yeah, if we ended up in the quarters,like, that would be dramatic.That is Dominique Foxworth.Check him out on Dominique Foxwirt show.Available for all five podcasts.Give it away for free.My brother, I appreciate you.
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