The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Elle Duncan on UGA vs. Alabama rivalry, Arch Manning's struggles, Russell Wilson benched by Giants | 09.26

Episode Date: September 26, 2025

On today’s episode of The Right Time, Elle Duncan of ESPN joins Bomani Jones to discuss the upcoming massive matchup between Alabama vs. Georgia this weekend & the struggles the Falcons had against the Panthers last Sunday. Later, they discuss Arch Manning's struggles at Texas, Russell Wilson's benching for Jaxon Dart, & the upcoming matchup between Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes 00:00 - Introduction 01:30 - Elle learns about the world of WWE 07:00 - Alabama & Georgia's weird rivalry 25:30 - Is Arch Manning in his own head? 30:52 - Should Russell Wilson turn heel? 49:30 - Lamar Jackson vs. Patrick Mahomes Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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El Ducker, what's going on? What up, Bo? How you doing? I'm good. I was telling you before the show and people need to understand this. Hey, man, people get busy. People got stuff to do. I understand it. and I never want to be the person that ever badges.

But every time Ryan says, hey, you want to try Elle for the show? Yes, he hits me and says, well, Elle says she's busy this week. I'm like, cool, we're asking her when she's not. We're going to keep asking until we get us a time, and it's not just us. Shout out to whoever that man was that saw you in the airport, who let you know that it had been too long since you had come back over to the crib. Yeah, you got some real, real, real fans. I've told you this numerous times.

I will say it again. I get recognized more for being on your show than I. I do for being on the one million shows and I'm on an ESPN. But this man, yeah, last week I was traveling to Indianapolis and he comes running up to me. And he's like, hey, man, I love you on Bumani show. Why you ain't got no love for him, man? Why you ain't been on there in a while, man? And I was like, I promise you, Boaz has an uncanny knack for asking for me on days I'm traveling or whatnot.

I was like, but I'm going on next week. So shout out to that dude in the Indianapolis airport. We in here. What in the world did the, what did the world do to send you to Indianapolis this time? Wrestling. Oh, you went for the wrestling show? I did. I went for the wrestling for wrestle-palooza.

And it was so wild because, you know, at first I was kind of like, okay, I mean, I don't know much about wrestling. My favorite wrestler to show you my age and the last time I really consumed wrestling was Diamond Dallas Page. So it's been a while. Exactly. DDP, let's go. But once I got there and I was doing these interviews with some of these wrestlers, I sort of realized like why I was the perfect fit for this. because as you know, Bo, I'm very theatrical and everything that I do has a tinge of acting in it. And as I'm going to interview Becky Lynch, and I realize, oh, she's going to do this interview in full character.

I was like, okay, I feel like this is right in my wheelhouse and I can definitely do this. But it's really interesting to sort of, you know, when you're interviewing these people to see who's going to be in full character, who's going to like talk to you normally. Like I think I asked her like a legacy question, right? I was like, you and AJ Lee, you were two of the most, you know, famous and incredible legacy female wrestlers. And right away, she's like, what do you mean? Well, she's not, we're not two of. I'm the best.

I'm the man. I'm the greatest. She's nothing. She's not good. I was like, oh, shit, we're like doing this. All right. Well, I guess we're going to do this then. So it was definitely interesting.

A lot of mullets. We love that. So it was a good time. Well, you need to definitely do a little research. The term is K-Fame, which is the idea of the rassler being the rassler at all. times. It's actually a philosophical issue within that world and how K-Fave has changed. I think I'm saying it right. Sorry for you, Rassling fans, but I'm not showing you proper respect for fucking wrestling. But that's a thing about whether or not you should ever see the Rassler

as an actual person or whether the Rassler should always be in character. It is just interesting to me that now the ESPN is in on Rassling, we kind of got to act like Rassling is not Rassling. Yeah. Like, that is a, it's a new world with that. What I have been shocked by and social media did for me was I truly had no idea how many of my grown-assed friends were really into wrestling. Like when I started doing the Morning Jones is serious. The score of the company that did it at the time, they were the company that showed wrestling in Canada. And so my god, Corey, they used to do like rassling shows and rassling analysis. And I really thought that they were outliers. And I did my best, which wasn't very much,

to shield my judgment of them as adults. But they everywhere, Elle, they everywhere, and the internet has allowed them to be intellectual about it, which I appreciate because I like reading about wrestling, but I can't believe that they all still out here watching wrestling like that. Yeah, they are, and they're breeding new ones. I mean, I think, again, I sort of am starting to feel like the more I'm around the demo that maybe it's very much my demo

because there's this maybe 11-year-old girl that's at the broadcast that I'm at, and she's so sweet, you know, big Pixar eyes, and she's got her little Becky Lynch sign, and she's like, I love Becky Lynch so much. And I was like, oh, this is going to be such a great moment for you to meet your hero. What I didn't realize is that little girl would turn into a monster troll when CM Punk came out because her favorite wrestler Becky Lynch and her husband, Seth Rollins, have a huge rivalry with CM Punk. And so this little girl just transformed into this like mega troll.

And she's like, you're nothing. I hate you. And I was like, I was like, this is, you're literally breeding haters. And I kind of big it. Like, I kind of was like, maybe this really is like the area that I need to be because I loved watching that little girl transform into a Disney character that all of a sudden just became a monster. It was great.

Let me tell you this. The other thing that's happened, too, I hadn't thought about this. It used to be that it was like I watched Raston when I was little and then I got you grown for it. But now we have established a world where you don't feel like you have to do that. Yeah. Like I just, there was a day where I was like, yeah, I believe I have outgrown this. No, no, no, no.

ain't no outgrown rasseling no more i don't know if that's good or not but wrestling is wrestling is here it's listen it's entertainment it's fun to figure out if they actually really hate each other like there are ways to sort of put yourself into wrestling like i know a lot of like older people are like oh once i found out it was scripted i was done with it and whatnot but i would say that there are there's enough intrigue there apart from the decision itself on who's going to win there's enough intrigue there that I think you could like stir up you know sort of an a normal casual fan into someone more avid. I mean for me it was yeah. Oh no you're yeah we got to now get you to be somebody rankside manager oh let's go can I like be a heel would you be a heel or a hero if you

were a wrestler I would much rather be a heel that looks like a lot more right right or if you could figure out like the rock who's so good at being a heel that it became heroic yes because that's the best. Yeah, like a lovable, like a lovable asshole. That's probably like the sweet spot. Yes, the rock, like, but I think in terms of rassling heel, because I popped back in in like the early aughts

for whatever reason, because me and my buddy would order pizza and drink brew and watch rassling because that's what there was for us to do in Rancho Cucamonga, California. Sounds right. And so like, Kurt Angle as heel was my favorite because I could never tell if he under,

You could never tell if he understood that people, like, why people hated him. He was the ultimate, why are you booing me? I'm right meme sort of dude. And it cracked me up every single time. You got to love it. Total lack of self-awareness. Yes, here for it. Here for it.

I know what else you hear for. Them Georgia Bulldogs is playing Alabama this week. Oh, so I have always been fascinated by the fact that George and Alabama don't really play each other that often. No. They have played a lot in the last few years. but if you look at it, it's basically been SEC championships and national championships, which obviously didn't make sense because there were schools in bordering states.

The SEC didn't always have all these schools. And so I thought that it was just kind of a random quirk. Do you know why it is that they did not play for all of those years? I just assumed it was because they had divisions for so long and they just weren't in our division. Why? Per the Wikipedia. Okay. And this is true.

In 1963, the Saturday Evening Post Magazine reported, reported that Alabama coach Paul Bear Bryant and Georgia Athletic Director Wally Butts had conspired to fix the 1962 game, which Alabama won 35 to nothing. After the story broke, butts resigned as athletic director, though Buts and Bryant denied the allegations. The two sued the magazine's publisher for liable and the case reached the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court ruled in favor of Buts with the publisher eventually being ordered to pay more than $3 million in damages. Following the scandal, the schools decided to end their annual series after the 1965 meeting. Can you imagine in this day and age if somebody reported that Georgia's coach and

Alabama's coach had conspired to fix a game? That's actually insane and I've never heard that story before. What? And three million dollars in the 60s, bro, probably bankrupt that paper I did. It basically did. It is credited for being the end. I'm sure they had some measure of insurance, But yes, that is basically what ended the magazine. That's when you think about it, though, that's actually kind of incredible. And mostly because the idea that anybody from Georgia and Alabama would come together and unite in one cause seems crazy to me. But it makes a ton of sense. Like I said, I just assumed that it was because of the divisional thing and because they just always wanted those two in the SEC championship.

But it makes a lot of sense. Oh, that is like, I just saw that this morning. And I was like, oh, my goodness. I guess my question would be like, what's the benefit for being the team that goes, all right, we'll take the L here and score zero points. Like, what are you getting? They took the fix so far too, of 35 to nothing fixed. So you had the win and the over, huh? Like that you had to get all the money. Yeah. You know what? Now that I'm thinking, maybe that's, we need to get a journalist on it. Maybe that's exactly what the Falcons were doing with the Panthers last week. You couldn't help it, could you? You saw that opportunity flash before your eyes.

I was like, wait, you're going to get this. Sounds familiar. You're like, we're going to get this in before anything changes. You are going to make sure that you get that. I saw the dependence and beat somebody 30-something. I had no idea who it was who they beat. But I knew exactly who it was that they beat. I was like, that was the falcons.

I guarantee you that that was the falcons. Say it. Say it. Say the famous line, Bo. I need to hear it. Got off that narcotic. I got off that narcotic. Falcons are not to be trusted. That's bad dope right there.

Oh my God, that's amazing. I sorry, I had to. My bad Falcons fans for that straighties. They are such wet dope. They are such wet dope. Just useless. And look, man, they got the black coach. They got the black quarterback who always wears duress.

They got the black general manager. They got all kinds of things. They got the kind of things that got me started rooting for the Detroit Lions. And I'm still saying, no, give me that over the hapless Falcons. And those were the hapless alliance. Listen, the Panthers have been one of the worst defenses for three years. The idea you could barely complete a pass against them. And what's worse is that your hero, the savior is Kirk Cousins.

Good God, it's every man for himself. I mean, it's just, it's bad in getting worse. And I'm trying to give a little bit of grace to Michael Pennix. He's still technically in his rookie campaign. He hasn't started 18 games yet. But it's bad. It's like every time you go into his season. and hopeful as a Falcons fan.

And again, this is a reminder to your listeners. I am not a Falcons fan. I am a Broncos fan. We already have our own issues. I don't need to take the Falcons issues too. But it's just, I just, at some point I start feeling like bad. Like it was funny at first. And now it's just getting to a point where it's like, this is pathetic.

I mean, this is, this is bad, Bo. Well, hold on. I want to get back to you and your specification of being a Broncos fan because I don't think that you even realize how pointed it is that you are specifically a Broncos fan. Broncos fan because I saw the video you put on the internet the other day where you run through all the teams you root for and you root for the Braves. I do. And hey, I understand that. Now, for people understand that she is a Broncos fan because she has family from Denver.

Yes. Now, Denver didn't always have a baseball team. So the Braves makes sense. Yeah. Denver does have a basketball team, but you still root for the Hawks. You don't you don't root for the nuggets. No. You root for Georgia.

You don't root for Colorado or any of that. But you specifically looked at the Falcons and said, why would I do that? No. You did not look at the Hawks and say that. No. You looked at the Falcons that were like, why would I do that when there's this alternative right here waiting for it?

That of one championship? No, legitimately, I can take no credit for it. When my family moved from Denver to Atlanta in 1980 before I was born, the nuggets weren't really a thing. They didn't have like a nugget. They were only really Broncos die-hard. So when they moved to Georgia, I was. I inherited the Broncos, and then they adopted all of the local teams because, like, you know,

CU wasn't a thing, really. Neither one of my parents went there. They went to DU. And so, like, the Rockies weren't really a thing. And so that's, that is why. Like, they inherited those teams in the 80s and then, you know, pass it on to me. But the Broncos was like the legacy team that they'd been holding on to for generations. So that's why.

Okay. Okay. But you got your. It all paid off, though, because good God, we've got, as tough as it's been to be a Broncos fan of late, We have three championships to rest on. You do. You do. And you got your Georgia Bulldogs who, hey, man, I think if I had to guess, they're going

to beat the Brissakes off of Alabama. Alabama's got to bring this game. Why do you say that both? A, you're trying to jinx my team and B. What has led you to believe that Georgia is going to beat the breaks off of Alabama? Okay. Number one, Alabama got to bring this game to Athens. Yes, for the first time in 10 years, by the way.

That's right. Well, back to your point about them, never playing each other in the regular season. That's right. So they're going to have to bring the game over to the crib. I don't think Alabama is particularly good. I can see it on Caleb DeBore's face every game I watch that the stress of that job is wearing on him. I still think Georgia has one of those like overwhelming talent kind of situations. Your boy Gunner Stockton, who, I mean, talk about the name of a Georgia quarterback.

Hello. Like right up that alley. I think they're going to wind up. I think they're going to wind up doing that. I'm not trying to jinx you. They got to get some revenge in because they lost last year. I just, I'm always rooting, and I hate this for you, Kailen Dabor. But as Jeremy Foley said, when they fired Ron Zuck, which will be done eventually must be done immediately. And they're going to run you off that job. And I just kind of want to see how funny it gets before they do. So I do think they're going to run Kailen Dabor out of the job. It's why a lot of people were like, man, why take this job after Nick Saving? right like you don't want to be the rebound um that that's not the long term commitment like the rebound

play is just is just exactly that you're just trying to get an easy lay and so i do think that like he could have success anywhere else and be fine but his record is always going to be held up against nick saven and when we're saying things like they haven't started out this bad since nick saven's first year they haven't started out this bad since um if they end up losing this game then they would be two and two which is their worst start since they won four games in an entire season so like all of that is is true. However, I think a big part of what made, you know, Kaelin DeBore's year last year, despite losing to Vandy, despite their season. I think they lost to Tennessee last year, too, was that he beat Georgia. It was like this idea, and that's the frustrating part for me. Kirby Smart is

one and six against Alabama, meaning that Clark Lee, the head coach of Vandy, has as many wins against Alabama as Kirby Smart does. And Kirby is, you know, I'm not being biased here. I think the best college football coach. He's had the most success in terms of consistency and all of those things. It's been quite a run over the last 10 years. But there is just, there's a ghost. There's a fainting spell. There's something that happens every fucking time we play Alabama. You know what it is, Bo? I'm watching Tennessee choke this game away a couple of weeks ago to Georgia. And I was thinking, we are to Tennessee what Alabama is to us. Despite being better, more talented, Tennessee should have won that game. They played better. They looked better.

They bullied us in the trenches. They won every facet of the game. And alas, they found a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. And that's the same thing that we do every single year, say for the one time we beat them in the Kirby Smart era in the national championship. And so for me, it's not about the fact that, yes, we're more talented. Or yes, that I trust our quarterback more than I trust Ty Simpson. Or the fact that Bam is feeling really good about themselves because they beat up on Wisconsin

and BLM. Like, it's just this idea that we still have not. exercise those demons that somehow we find a way to give the game away every single time. And last year, like, I don't care what the SEC team is. If you have four turnovers, Carson Beck, you're going to lose that game. And the idea that we were even in a position to win that game and we're winning at the end of the game. And then what happens? The same thing that happened with Tua and Jalen and Tua again, Ryan Williams, 75-yard touchdown.

It's just Jalen Milrow has only ever looked good against George. Georgia, like, more our ass up. And I think that's what it is, is that, like, those Alabama kids get up for this game in such a way that it's like, this could save our season. Like, yes, we underwhelmed, we underperformed, and we didn't ultimately get to the CFP like we want, but at least we beat Georgia. And, like, that's where we're at with this team, and that's scary. Part of what I enjoy about this, like, again, robbery that's not really a rivalry,

but became a robbery again, right? Yeah. And keep in mind, Georgia is lost. to Alabama, nine of the last 10 times they played. And that run begins with, honestly, maybe the most demoralizing loss I've ever seen the team take, which was that funeral in 2008, where Georgia decided to have a blackout on the field and a blackout in stands. And they were losing 31 to nothing in the second quarter. And it was a methodical set them on fire game. I see ESL remembers every single bit of it. It was wild. It was really the day that Alabama

announced that this saving thing was coming back. But what I find interesting about this, is as Georgia has stampeded America for the last however many years, right? It's really been the better part of since 2017 when they lost the national championship game to Alabama. I can't think of a circumstance of situation. Florida State is the closest thing I can think to it in the late 80s and early 90s, where a team was so good, but still had a nemesis that they couldn't quite get past, right? It makes this so fascinating when you think about it.

Like when Clemson had their run, they would go back and forth with Alabama, right? Like, you get one, we get one. Alabama still has Georgia's number. It's like federal. It's like Nadal having Federer's number. Yes. In a way, right? But just can't quite get past that one. And that is so compelling to me. Yes, it's Lamar Jackson versus the chiefs. We're Lamar Jackson and they're the chiefs. Like, this man can do absolutely anything, but he just can't seem to beat that fucking team. And it's so infuriating. And like, there's been people that are like, oh, you know, the rivalries, Rosset's luster since Nick left. And to be honest with you, I feel like that would be the case

if we had one last year. Like if Georgia had one last year and it was like, all right, so it was a saving thing, right? Like it was clearly a saving thing. And there's no shame in that. There's no shame and losing to the greatest football coach of all time. No shame. We get it. Kirby was under him. He knows Kirby's tendencies. That used to be his DC. Like you could make those excuses. But to lose them to Kalin DeBoer, it was like, oh God, I think that's what reinvigorated the idea that this is just that this is psychological more than it is anything else. And like they need, you know, I assumed that we would put that to bed after we beat them in the national championship.

It was like, all right, demon exercise. It doesn't matter. But it's endured. It has endured because for all intents and purposes, we should have a winning record against them over the last few years, considering we've got two national championships, but it still is just this thing where we can't beat them. And to be honest, Bo, the most insufferable part has been.

that I live with a Vanderbilt Commodore. And this man has been so fucking annoying since Vandy beat Alabama last year. I low-key, I don't even care about getting trolled by Bama fans. I want us to win so I can stop being trolled by the Commodore that lives in my house. Like, he looked at the schedule yesterday and he was like, oh, perfect. Alabama plays Vandy again next year or next week. So don't worry about it. We'll avenge you again.

I'm like, oh, my God. Like he's calling Vandy Thanos. He's saying that they Famos, Alabama and they hinded them. Every time Bama loses, he's taking credit saying that Vanderbilt did this and broke them somehow. I'm so sick of his braggadoche because they found away for the first time in like 50 years to beat a number one team. I'm tired of it. So I need that more than anything just so he can shut the fuck up. Vanderbilt is right for those of you who don't know this.

they're honest to God ranked. Who, Vandy? Yes. Yeah. You know, Vandy's not a cakewalk team anymore, yo. Like, when I look at like Georgia scheduled, I'm like, okay, the no-brainer wins like Vandy, Georgia Tech, those are not no-brainers anymore. That's why games like this are so important because that last game of the year that used to be a tune-up before the playoffs is not a tune-up anymore. We saw that last year and the seven overtimes.

Like Georgia Tech is not to be played around with in Vandy either. The SEC is getting better. Well, they went to South Carolina and smacked them. Smoked them. Right? Now, look, I mean, South Carolina has not appeared to be as good as we thought they would be this year. That's fine. But that has not changed the fact that they went in their house and beat them by four scores.

Yes. A tough place to play, by the way. Yeah, boy. I'm rooting for your dogs a little bit. I am. Like, I want to see the thing happen. I don't know. You're like.

Yes, Bo. You feel like you're tiptoeing. in this endorsement. I liked Georgia better when they weren't as good. When was that? Like 10 years ago. Yeah. Like I don't know. I've never, I've never loved UGA, but it's always been in proximity to me. Like, there are a lot of people in my life that are happier if Georgia wins. So I would like to see Georgia win, you know, in those cases. But I don't know. Like, juggernaut Georgia, for whatever reason, hadn't felt as fun to me as other juggernaut. teams and franchises have been like,

a juggernaut, Alabama was not a lot of fun to me, obviously. But I don't know. Like, so yeah, good for you guys if you go out there and get, you know, and get you dove, you feel me? You know what I want to know. I have been dying to ask you with those Texas roots of yours, how you feel about Arch Manning. We'll talk about that coming up next.

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When Sarkeesian got that job, it came out there and was like, oh, yeah, we're going going to stand on the line and we're going to sing that song. I was like, all right, y'all going to sing this song without me. But what I find interesting about Arch is in a much different way, Arch reminds me of Josh Allen in the sense that I looked up one day and was like, wow, the only person that seems to be honest about Josh Allen is Josh Allen. This is crazy. Like, everybody else talks about him in these terms that don't always match reality or go a little

bit too far, but he seems to get what he is. I feel the same way about Arch and his family with him, right? Like when Firebom got on TV and said he's the best quarterback since Tim Tebow, it's been five quarterbacks since Tebow. That was better quarterbacks than Tim Tebow. Like, we just set this boy up in a lot of ways for a standard that he couldn't reach. But I also find it objectively interesting in a way that it's interesting because it's not happening to me, that he seems to be struggling with the weight of the pressure.

Like, he's out here when they. play against bad teams, he looks excellent. Yes. When they play against good teams, he looks terrible. And it's all right here between the ears, right there between the ears. Like it is, it is, it seems clearly to be that. And I don't know if anybody knows exactly how to handle this because they built up so much around him.

Like if he winds up becoming good after this, it will be very gratifying to watch is an objective observer because what it takes to overcome something like that, I think is what truly compels us about sports in the first place. I'm with you. I'm glad that at the very least we put to bed that transitive property somehow helps you become a quarterback because it's just so weird to me when people talk about lineage. And it's like I understand, you know, the family that he comes from. And I understand that that means that he had access, right, to better coaching,

that he had access to better trainers, that he had more tools to help him be an excellent quarterback, but like he's still, like, is it entirely different person with his own unique DNA? Like he's still, I think I feel for the kid because they just were like, oh, well, because of Arch and because of Peyton and because of Eli, none of whom are his children, by the way. That's not their kid. All of a sudden it was like, well, then he's just going to be a Hall of Famer. I mean, they were, they were ready to put this dude in Canton like, like before he started his first game.

And I'm going to, I'm not going to reveal who told me this. because I think I don't want to dime them out. They spent some time with Texas, but this is last year. And I wasn't the biggest Quinn Ewers fan in the world. I thought it was pretty average. And I was buying the hype of like, it's Arch Manning. Like this guy's got all the tools. He's got the this.

He is the quarterback that was promised. And I said to this person, like, I don't understand. Like, Quinn's just okay. And like Quinn's going to be gone next year. You got to give Arch some reps, right? Like you got to get Arch in there. Like, why not just hand the keys to the kingdom to him? Let him work it out.

And like then you're, you're poised and promise. for the next couple of years. And this person looked at me and goes, yeah, what if Arch is actually not that good? And I said, what do you mean? And they're like, what if some of this is because the coaches see him at practice every single day, unlike us, and they know that he's not that good? And I was like, that can't be true. And he was like, I'm just telling you what I've heard, which is that the inconceivable, which is that like maybe Art. which isn't that good. Now, that was last year, obviously. And like, I do, I don't think there's some referendum on Archmanning. Like, I think the dude's going to be a good quarterback. I think he's

going to be fine. But I do think that, like, maybe there was this bill of sales that was sold and Texas bought into it, and they bought into the name and the hype. And I was told that, you know, they specifically chose Texas because of the relationship, the family relationship with Sark. And they really thought that Sark was innovative offensively enough to put RRCH. in the best position to win. Maybe Texas bought something that was not nearly as ready to go as they thought. Maybe they thought they were buying the Lego structure already built and they realized, oh, we got to put this shit together. And that's kind of what we're seeing now. It's not been totally surprising to me, based on those comments from a colleague last year, that he's struggling

in this way because I think that if given an opportunity, it probably would have gone with Quinn Ewers this year as well. think a big part of this is that winning the recruiting battle was as important as the player was. Yes, yes. Right? Like it was a big signal to everybody involved that this is one that you want to win, regardless of how good the kid was or was not. And hey, man, go look it up. Five-star recruits do not translate into first round picks by definition. They don't translate into all Americans by definition. The misrate on five-star recruits is actually much higher than I think people realize

that it is. And there were always questions. about him. But I just feel like when you look around at everything else, say what you want about Archie Manning. Archie Manning is not out here seeking all the attention for his boys and for his grandson

in this case. They play a lay-low game. We did all the stuff. Yeah. The media 100%. It don't seem to be there. Now, I want to switch gears with you a little bit because we got something going

in the NFL that I think is interesting. I guess it's so interesting you living in Bristol where you kind of have two local teams but no local teams because they're halfway between New York and Boston. Exactly. But the New York Giants,

they have changed quarterbacks. They went for Russell Wilson to Jackson Dart. And I want to ask this question before we talk about Jackson Dart. Because now Russell Wilson is the backup. Jackson Dart's the number one. What is James there doing car tricks on the sidelines? Like what is the point of having him if he can't even be the number two after Russell Wilson was out there looking like Silky Johnson's Coke?

except when he was playing the even more rat-ass, make-a-wish foundation defense of the Dallas Cowboys. Well, I think James is there. He's the meme ambassador. He is literally there for sound bites and memes. I think, um, vibes. He's the vibes.

Guy, 100%. And like, listen, people have made careers on less. So I'm with him there. But, uh, this is, this is, it, it's sad because like, literally, you don't have to be Dr. Strange to have Dr. Strange this. Like, you knew, you could have, played out every scenario and you knew it was always going to land at Russell Wilson very early on in the season getting benched in favor of Jackson Dart because when it comes to the New York

Giants, the other quarterback in their mind is always the better quarterback. Like that's just how they are. They want the thing that they don't have, you know. And I think, you know, for Russell Wilson, like he has not done enough to keep his job, certainly. But this idea that the Giants think everything is going to be solved by bringing in Jackson Dart is also wild to me. Good luck. First of all, quarterback's drafted in the 20s. That don't really go. Like that's a, that's a, that don't, that don't typically really hit. The people who I trust on these things going into the draft were not excited about this Jackson

Dark thing. And maybe it's been different since he got, you know, with a professional team. I have no idea how good he is or is not going to be. This is a classic coach trying to save his job, um, proposition. Yes. And I didn't understand Dave Bow, where he did the press conference. And he said he would not explain why Russell Wilson

was losing his job. And you know what? Maybe it's kind of like Michael Stipe of R.E.M. once said that when he used to get pressured about coming out as gay, he said he said he never came out because he thought it was obvious. Like he didn't think there was,

if there was a closet, it was glass. He didn't think that this needed to be explained. Maybe that's Brian Debo's thing about Russell Wilson. Like, why is he losing his job? Did you watch the gang? Like I assume that y'all, be going to all the games. Did y'all see the game? Then of course you know, I couldn't believe how bad he looked. I mean, and that tells you how bad the Cowboys are, except in the Cowboys game,

he also looked as bad as he looked in the last game, just except for the other, when he was just like, all right, just chuck it up there, dog. Yeah, well, the sad part is that was still one of the best Russell Wilson games we've seen in some time. I mean, he threw for like four to 50 yards. It was crazy. And poor Malik neighbors, like normally, especially he's just in his second year. Yeah. This is, he is an old school giving a damn ball sort of receiver. And I can't think of a time that there's been a receiver who has demonstrated this attitude in public and this young where we're all on his side. Yes. Yeah.

We're all on his team. Yeah, he's like, you're wasting my good years. You know what, though? I actually really love this for Russell Wilson because Russell Wilson has, have you ever had that person in your life who's like, like, just doggedly determined to be with you, even though you've done. nothing nice to them. Like, they're just, they're going to love you through anything. They're like, I know that you cheat on me and you're not particularly nice to me and you border on verbal abuse, but I love you. And this is the right. He's like that guy where it's like, God, what do I have to do to just get you to go away? And it's not fair or nice. It's not, it's not deserved. Like,

Russell has done nothing but like, be the good guy who loves his wife and goes to children's hospitals on the day that he gets cut. And for some reason, no, one wants them. They find him to be cringy. And that is on the field, off the field. They don't want him. He dealt with that in Denver. They didn't want him in Pittsburgh. They don't want him in the Giants. And I feel like for Russell Wilson, like, I need him to be the guy who is like shelled for a little bit. And I need like him to become a little bit like to take his villain turn. Like I feel like this is when Russell could take his villain turn and be like, stop saying the right things. I'm going to support this team in any way I can. And be that guy that's like,

cool you want jackson dart good luck and sit back with popcorn and watch because Russell Wilson I do not think has what it takes to be a starting quarterback anymore no but people are mad at Russell Wilson for still trying and that to me is what's wild it's like well of course he's going to keep trying to be a quarterback it's not his fault that people keep signing him that people keep giving him historic money I'm looking at you Denver the people keep giving him opportunities but they're mad at him for it and it's not not his fault. The guy's just doing his absolute best. And I feel like this is like hopefully when that tide will turn for Russell Wilson where someone is clamoring for him. If Jackson Dart does back,

and I have no idea if they're going to bail on Jackson Dart or if they're just going to say, this is our move and we're sticking with the guy no matter what because it doesn't really matter. We're like one in 15 in our last 16 games. But God, like I feel for Russell Wilson at this point. And I don't know what inside of him doesn't want to just let it go. So let me ask you this. If he makes his villain turn, is his villain turn coming all the way over here or going all the way over there? Does he start doing a podcast with Dr. Umar or does he start doing a podcast with Save Steve? Okay, well, he is married to Sierra. So I'm going to say he's much more likely to go Dr. Umar route than he is the other one.

Right, right. But if he's going to go the full villain, then go the full villain. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I don't know that that's going to curry him any favor. in this Hollywood world. I hear you, I hear you. But also, I don't, I mean, I know a few things about Sierra, but I don't know Sierra for all I know.

Them little kids might have a measles. You know what I'm saying. I got no clue. There he goes. I'm just saying, I don't know. I don't know what her get down is. I don't know what she read on the internet. But Russell is it, Russell Wilson has the potential to be many types of villains,

is all I'm saying. He does. He could choose one. I was more thinking less political villain and more like an Akib Talib, Like I'll snap your saying. Yeah, yeah. That, see, that would be interesting because I guarantee you. I don't know if you've ever seen the Russell Wilson hand measurement from the combine.

You don't want to fight that, man. Like when they used to be the thing on the internet, when people used to talk about how the idea of future and Russell Wilson fighting, hey, man, the future would be the feet of pass if he decided to square up with Russell Wilson. Russell would be dog shit out of that boy, especially with him taking all them drugs. No. I was going to say, future would probably have a total lack of self-reesome. awareness of where he is. You get him after, you get him after he's been in doing a studio session. I believe it. He's also thin and he's tall. And I think Russell could take him for sure. But that's what I'm saying is like, I need to see. I just like, why not? What do you have to

lose, Russ? Like go out just being a total dick. I want him to like, I want him to become Aaron Rogers. Like I want him to be like, I'm not here to help Jackson Dart that guy. Like I want him to be a villain because they still don't like you. They don't like Boy Scout version of you. They don't like any version of you. So why not just turn it on him and just be a total asshole? That's what I would do. Yo, but here's the thing about the Giants. They might have to go back to him. I know. Like this move, I assume that when you make the quarterback change, the coach typically in my mind, like some of the NBA, for example, players decide when it's time for the coach to go. every now and then the front office will do it, but the players are going to be the ones to let you know.

Even if they don't fire the coach, they let you know when it's time for the coach to go. I think players also play a big role in letting you know when the quarterback has to go. Like once the players are like, come on, man, you know this dude ain't the best player. And you can feel it in everybody around. Okay, now you got to make the move. For whatever reason the players believe that that guy is Jackson Dart. But if Jackson Dart is not that guy, are you just going to say, fuck it, let's have a good time and go to James? or are you going to maybe have to bring it back to Russell Wilson,

except everybody knows that ain't the group? So you think, I don't see a world where James, like, I could see a world where they make up a fake injury and Jackson Dart needs to be shelled because he's, you know, got turf toe or something like that. Not the turf to not real, but, and then you would go to maybe James, but I don't see a world where, you know, your choice is to go with James Winston. Again, like the giants have done this so wrong. They're watching Daniel Jones look like Joe Montana.

Yo, that's got hurt. That's got a hurt because it hurts me. And I ain't even got no investment in this. He's balling. Yeah, you're bawling. So they've done this wrong so many times. And I think it always goes back to the question that we ask ourselves all the time. Do you ruin someone's development if you yank them right away, right?

Like what is psychologically? Like, how is Michael Pennix going to feel knowing that, yes, he looked horrible against the Panthers? their first solution was to not even like in the game the first game that he looked like truly terrible to go right to Kirk cousins like is that going to is he always going to feel that guy over his shoulder is that going to somehow impact him in his development and i think if you're the giants again there's no expectation that you're going to do not in a division with the eagles not in a division with the cowboys that look absolutely horrible but still are better than you um i think that like if you're the giants you got a role with this thing if you make the decision to go

with Jackson Dart. He got his, you know, his O line is healthier now. What I was hearing was that they were waiting on their O line to get healthy so that they would put Jackson Dart in the best position, again, just leaving Russell Wilson to the slaughter. Let's give him the B team offensive line and see if you can do okay. But I think you've got to stay with them, man. Like, you have to. There's no expectation for you to do anything this year. You got to lose with the rookie. And like, you've got to let him figure it out. That's my estimation. But again, it's the Giants. And they are undefeated at doing the wrong thing. I will propose a question about Jackson Dart that I saw my good buddy, Shannon Penn, a place on the internet, which is who will be the first defensive player

to snatch that chain off his neck? Have you seen that chain that Jackson Dart been wearing the games? Yeah, I've seen the chain. He is out there. And I just want to throw this out there for people. Jackson Dart is from, I got it on the screen right here, Caysville, Utah. Oh. Yes. That it is in Utah in the North part. Oh. So is that almost, is that almost Idaho? Oh, God, my geography skills are not great. I'm going to be honest with you. It's all the same to me over there. You know what I'm saying? Like, if ain't no state line, you ain't going to know what I mean? But he, I want to know, like when he decided that the chain game was going to be him. So he started at USC and then he went to Old Miner. Like perhaps has he been radicalized? I've never heard him talk, but he seemed to have a swag that his fellow Utah and Zach Wilson did not have. Like you remember when Zach Wilson was at the draft

and the boys was all dapping up around him and he looked like he was on a scare straight special. Like, he looked like, what if I, like, I'll be, I'll be good. Like, let me go back to where I was. I promise I'll be good. Jackson Dart got that chain. And so Shannon, like, who's going to be the first person that's that chain off his neck? Well, I'm looking at the giant schedule.

and I'm like, the Chargers, you can see Khalil Mack taking that thing. Yeah. The Saints. I don't know enough Saints. But the Saints are losing so much they got to win something. And my thing is this, man, is one thing to leave Snatch Crabtree's chain, not to take his chain, but just because he thought he didn't deserve to have a chain, like he snatched his chain and left it on the field.

In my day, I feel like it was MoCats that would have been snatched his chain and kept it. Like, what would have sold it back to him. So knock on the pawn shop route. Could you imagine, like, walking in and trying to pawn off a chain that you snatched from an NFL game? Is this yours? Yeah. Why does this see Zach Wilson on it? Imagine having to go after the game to put in a police report so that the pawn shop unit would be able to keep an eye out for your chain, right?

After that thing has been snatched. He poised in these chains. I am surprised that we don't see just more, like, hating-ass chain snatches. Because I had looked at Jackson Darts chain and I said to someone I would leave nameless, I was like, hey man, if he wear that chain on the street, he better have a gun. He's begging to get robbed to which the response was.

He's from Utah and played college football in Mississippi. You think he don't got no gun? Right, this is true. But I feel like that tells me he got like a far away gun. I don't know if he got like a walk-around piece. Oh, no, he definitely has a concealed weapon. That's like a ride of passage when you come from those places. You're like, you get your first shot.

baby's first shotgun and then baby's first concealed weapon. That's right. What was that magazine you was in? Garden and Guns. Elle posted this on the end of day. She did an interview or a spread or whatever for a magazine. I bullshit you not called Garden and Guns. And I had to call Elle and say,

does that magazine say Garden and Gun? Yep. Two most important things to any Southern woman's life. You got your garden and you got your gun, baby. We're good. No, that is the, so when Texas went to its concealed weapon law, the woman that was really behind it, I don't know if you guys remember, it's obviously a terrible story, but one day somebody drove a car through the window of a Luby's cafeteria in Colleen, Texas, and shot the place up. They killed like 20-something people before it killed himself. But one of the women who was there didn't, she went to her purse, but she didn't have her gun in her purse. And that was the narrative that was used to get the concealed weapon game. opened up in Texas. But what I found so interesting about the story was, as I recall, she went for the gun and didn't have it. Not, I didn't have my gun because I wasn't allowed to

bring it. She was going to be in there with the tool. Sure. She was like, I'm going to have it. The tool was going to be had. Yeah, we're just going to answer questions later. I mean, when I, when I first got my gun, when I lived in Georgia, I was dealing with a bit of a stalker stitch. And so I had never shot a gun before. I'd never held a gun before. I'd never loaded a gun before. and I go to wild bills down in Buckhead, which I believe is still there and is very famous in Georgia for guns. And I walk in and I'm nervous and I'm scared and I'm like, I need to purchase a gun, you know, and I'm thinking like, I'm going to get the fifth degree and they're just like, what kind of gun? I was like, I don't know. I've never shot a gun before.

And they're like, well, we got, you know, I think a 38 revolver is going to be best for you. Now, if you want to keep this thing in your purse, you're going to want to get the one with no safety on it. and because sometimes it can get snagged on a perch. And so we're going to go ahead and get you this one. I was like, all right. And they were like, and yeah, you need some bullets. I was like, yes. And so they hand me the gun.

They hand me the bullets. And I'm like, I don't know how to load this. And they're like, cool, we'll show you. Loads it up. And I was like, is that all? And they're like, yeah, just, you know, give us your license. We're going to do a background check, air quote. And within 15 minutes, I had a gun.

And I was like, okay, well, I don't know any of the rules. like, where am I allowed to take the gun? And they were like, well, unless you get a concealed carry permit, you can only keep the gun at your house. And I was like, oh, okay, well, that doesn't really help me. I'm out all the time. I'm like, I'm going to have to get this concealed carry permit. And then he looks and he goes, however, because of Georgia laws, your house has some extensions. Your car is an extension of your house. And your work is an extension of your house. And I was like, so wait, So I can take it in my car and also into work. And they were like, yes, you can.

I was like, well, hell, okay. And it was just completely wild to me that in Georgia, you didn't have to have a concealed carry permit because everything is apparently an extension of your home when you can carry it anyway. So yeah, man, like, it's real. I don't know where the point of that story was going other than to be like, guys.

Yeah, it's kind of wild. It's kind of unbelievable that you can literally walk in with no gun acumen and walk out with a killing gun within like 20. By the way, I was wrong. The woman, her gun was in the car. She was there and her parents got killed. And she said she would have liked to have had her gun,

but she thought she might lose her chiropractic license, so she left it in the car. And with all due respect, ma'am, I don't know what you think you were about to have done. I'm not sure what you thought was going to happen. Everybody is always a hero in their mind until they're in that situation. Well, it's not just that the movies make you think

that anybody can be John McLean. it's not that, is that the movies have all these scenes of unassuming people who out of nowhere wobbly hold a gun and shoot somebody and make the big kill as opposed to hitting themselves in the face. Correct. With their pistol. That recoil is a bitch. Like the idea, I think this is an underrated part about the gun. First of all, it is, guns are a wild piece of engineering when you stop and think about it. You can just hold a killing machine in your hand, right? But the idea that you have to learn how to shoot a gun tells you how much power we're really talking. talking about because it looks pretty simple to me.

Yeah. And shoot like a camera, but it's not like a camera at all. Not at all. Not at all. And I got a revolver because it was the easiest to load, right? You didn't have to deal with clips and things like that. And I did obviously learn how to shoot once I got my gun. I took some training and whatnot. But yeah, that kickback, depending on how big the gun is, that's what you don't. And that what really you don't prepare for is when it gets jammed. And then you're really in a precarious situation. That's how most people end up shooting themselves, the gun jams and you don't know how to

appropriately take it apart. I love the Bumani show because the right time, it's always the right time to even get into gun conversation. That's my favorite thing about this. We started out talking about football and now we're here at guns. I love that you trust me enough to know that you can go to the gun place and I'm going to keep us all safe no matter what. You know what I'm saying? Like this like wherever it goes, if it was a problem, I'd have shut it down. But it's not a problem. So I'm going to keep us all safe and I love that you know that like I am going to keep you safe. I want to run this one thing by you right fast. We got Baltimore and Kansas City and you know, black quarterback situation. We got enough black quarterbacks out here that I ain't got to root for them all. But it dawned

on me last week when my lions were playing against Baltimore. It hadn't dawned on me that since I picked up a team that meant that every now and then I was going to have to root against Lamar. Because like that's not really what I do. Like I feel like in a lot of ways he needs us to stand by him. But now it's not just that it's Lamar and Mahomes, is that they both really need the dub. Yeah. It's unbelievable to think that after this weekend, one of those teams is going to be one and three. Right. Like, that's wild. Do you have, by the way, do you have a black quarterback ranking support chart? Like who you support the most? I imagine that you do, and I imagine that I know some of the characteristics that go into why you support some of that. So like. Because

they're 16 now, right? Yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot. Like we got you know, it's getting harder and harder to explain to the white folks that there is still racism out here. You know what I mean? Like, not to say that this is proof that it's not, but just to say that white people got a low threshold. So it becomes very difficult to explain this. Lamar is still very high up on this, right? Except, hey, man, there's a lot of fair criticism to be made. And in order to do this properly, we got to be honest about the fact that y'all can't keep coming apart late. And you may not be the reason that y'all lose. lose these games, but you also not the reason that y'all win these games. Right.

Mahomes, I actually feel like he don't need our support, but he has earned it. Sure. You know? And look, Josh Allen is that dude right now, but I still feel like it's been a lot of effort to tiger-proof the NFL, at least in people's minds, to downplay the glory and the greatness of the best quarterback that I've ever seen. He kind of need us. I think we need to keep something extra in the clip for Jordan Love. Because he's got the chance to be that dude. but the last time I looked in Green Bay, well, I think they still got Malik Willis, but there was a year where they didn't have a blackup for him. And that made me feel like they wouldn't really invest it.

But now that they got a blackup, a blackup named Malik, no less, I feel a lot better about, you know, where they are and how they're supporting him. I'm really there for Gino Smith because I just feel like he's the only man that's ever been blamed for somebody sucker punching him. Yes. You know what I'm saying? And then he came back and he made it happen and he became that dude and he played for bombs. He need us.

I'm going to make a horrible comparison. Gino Smith, to me a little bit, is becoming like the quarterback version of Marvin Lewis. Keep going. Where I supported Marvin Lewis for so long because I thought I was a really good coach. And obviously I felt like, you know, with black coaches are held to a different standard and all the stuff that we already know. But then it got to a point where it was like, oh, you've had so many chances. Oh, but that don't count for Gino. They only had all these chances, though.

He's had, he's, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. He's had, oh, he's had chances. I'm just saying like he's had enough chances that if there was going to be some big sort of leap into being a championship caliber quarterback, I feel like we would have seen it by now. He's had chances. Okay, so no, he got that first chance with the Jets that wasn't really a chance. Okay. then the Giants teased him with a chance.

Sure. And when he got to play one game, they fired the coach for it. Right. Then he made his backup moves. He got to Seattle and he. He was doing well. Right. He did well.

And now he's in this new place because Seattle just didn't want to pay him. I feel like he is more of a twice as hard poster boy than he is a, you have had all. Now that Russell Wilson. Now that boy, he has Justin Fields. Yeah, he's had. We can make the, you had chances, arguments. I'm not with you on Justin Fields, though. I'm not with you on Justin Fields.

Like, I think that, like, he has not had any, like, Russell Wilson that we're seeing right now is the same Russell Wilson we saw glimpses up in Seattle, right? It's why Seattle was snickering when they traded him to the Broncos, and the Broncos gave him $150 million. They were like, we're seeing that same guy through the course of three different teams. But with Justin Fields, if at the very beginning of Russell Wilson's career, he had a different coordinator every single year. Like, I don't think that Justin Fields has been given the benefit of time and maturation.

I don't. Like, I think I, I'm not saying Justin Fields is ever going to be a championship caliber quarterback. I'm just saying that he has not been in situations. Like, he wasn't that bad last year for the Steelers when they decided to move on and go to Russell Wilson for no other reason then. They just thought, like, this is just okay. And let's choose another.

Like, let's just see. It's the same thing that the Giants are doing right now. I don't think that he's had an opportunity. in the right system with consistency of coordinator and consistency of weapons to show what he can do. I don't. I don't feel that way. Are you just feeling a little bit guilty because your team decided that he would rather play Jake Fromm than to play Justin Fields? There's a part of that too. Are you? Are you serious? Just a just a just a just a just just a just just a just just a just just a just just a just just a just just just just just a just a just a just a just a just a but but you know what?

Well ultimately I think that you know when it comes to black quarterbacks while we've obviously you know grown quite a bit and there's a bunch of them that are starting. They're still held to a standard like what else can Jalen Hertz do to show you guys he's a top 10 quarterback. I don't know. Like that conversation is is tiresome too. Anybody else in his position that is done and see, see, you're obviously one of those guys and I'm like, I don't like, listen, I'm not saying that in a fucking one-on-one competition with Patrick Mahomes, I'm going to choose Jalen Hertz. But to act like this dude is strictly a system quarterback and he's only benefiting from Sequin Barclay or their great run game or from a fantastic offensive line.

I just think diminishes a little bit what Jalen Hertz does. I'm reading for Jalen Hertz for that reason alone. I would just say this about Jalen Hertz. I made the point, I think last week, about Joe Burrow, that I've only seen Joe Burrow be excellent in the presence of surrounding excellence. And it's not his fault because not everybody does that, right? But Joe Burrow and LSU with Hall of Fame wide receivers, and he got one of them to come with him,

the Cincinnati wound up on the same team. That's what I've seen Joe Burrow be that guy. I can make the same exact argument about Jalen Hertz, but what I have seen Jalen Hertz while surrounded by adventures, he has not looked like no Joe Burrow. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. Fair. And again, I'm not saying that he is Joe Burrow.

Like I think Joe Burrow is a top five quarterback talent. But to say that Jalen Hertz isn't even top 10, I just don't understand like what exactly it is that we're judging or looking at. When it comes to results, when it comes to fit, like when it comes to the ability to extend plays. Like he's, no, he's not one-on-one. But guess what? He's experienced a hell of a lot more success than Joe Burrow has.

He has. A ton more because all Joe Burrow has is every single record, but no Super Bowls. One's like, go ahead. Here's what I say about Jalen Hurst that I think is very interesting. He is a guy that has all of the leader guy qualifications. And I don't mean that dismissively. I mean that literally, right?

Like he's the guy that you want. out front and he is just good enough that he can unlock the benefits of being that guy, right? Because if you are that guy and have all those characteristics and you can't play, it doesn't matter. James Winston is a great example of that, who's got all the leader stuff, but he's not good enough to where that can take you over to top.

Hertz is just good enough with the teams that he's got that you then get like this turbo boost from the fact that he is the guy that you want out front, because let's be honest, that coach they got, don't nobody want him in charge of nothing. I don't care what nobody say. If he's coming down to following him or following Jalen Hertz, you're going to follow Jalen Hertz. Like that's where I give him the credit and I can't,

he's been to Super Bowl twice. They've won one. You can't take any of those things away from him. And that's just going to have to be good enough for him. By the way, speaking of Nick Siriani, do you ever watch South Park? Yes. Every time I see Nick Siriani, the first image that pops into my head is Mr. Towley.

Is that, okay? Is that him? No, that's the towel that gets high. Oh, yes. Like, I have no idea what's going on. That's all I hear. Every time they show him on the sideline, I just hear, I have no idea what's going on. I was so sure that they were going to fire that man last year just because he gives off Fire Me vibes.

They have won 19 out of 20. 20 games. Correct. Yes. And that man was on the hot seat entering last season. I mean, they did have a pretty epic collapse before last season. But yes, he was on the hot seat. And to think the run that they've been on, man, they must love him because they certainly

kept his job and tall. I got news for you. He'll be on the hot seat forever. That is a guy, you're not going to tell me that they don't change their mind about him. They just won more games. Like, if it came down to who we got to keep Jalen Hertz or we got to keep Siriani, I'm keeping Jalen Hertz every single time. Well, for sure.

He does give Big Fire Me. energy. He does. There's a few dudes whose faces are just like, they give like, pick me, fire me energy. And yeah, you're right. He's one of them. He strikes me as a guy where somebody asks you, right, so what makes him good at his job? And they'd be like, man, what you got to understand, man, is he cool as hell? Yeah. I always feel like I can go talk to him. Like, oh, word, huh? That's, what else. That's what we're talking about. Let me tell you this, too. I don't care if they just want a Super Bowl or not. We're this close to it, the AJ Brown losing his goddamn mind to being out there reading books again. Oh my God, bro. I feel like we keep having sort of these interactions between

Andy Reed and Travis Kelsey. I'm just waiting on our AJ Brown versus Nick Siriani moment because it's coming. So that's the thing. It's not going to be with Jalen Hertz. Katz rock with him a little bit too tough. It looks like he going straight to Nick Siriani, even if it's about Jalen Hertz. 100%. He's going straight to Siriani. Like, yo, so what's up with the ball, homie? And they got, that's one thing. when you got two good receivers that ain't getting the ball as much as they're supposed to. Oh, yeah. Devante Smith seemed like he'll play a cool type, you feel me? But at the same time, he's a short football player.

We know they all got attitude. Absolutely. They want the ball. They all got attitude. Hey, I get this up to Devante Smith. He has, he gives all the little guy without giving any of the little guy. Like, he reminds me of this one receiver that used to wear blue and number 88. Like in terms of the way he plays, I would never say that dude's name out here.

I hear he got a son that play for Arizona, but I don't really know, like, you know what I'm talking about, right? We, you know, we're going to be good about that. Yeah. But, like, something about what head DeVote Smith seemed like, oh, he played cool. On the other hand, I bet he will go awful on you. Yeah, I can see it. He doesn't give, like, small man energy, like you said, but he's already doing things like calling out security guards. So this feels like a little bit of a ramp up versus a security guard.

Then it's something about the strength and conditioning coach. And before you know it, it's an all out assault on one. of his teammates. Yeah. Yes. He is also from South Louisiana and he looked like a dude for South Louisiana and you just need to lead him dudes be. Uh-huh. But if a dude is six foot 170 pounds playing NFL football, trust me. It is it in you? Yes, 100%. It is. I'm going to ask you one last thing before we get out of here. We had somebody leave a voicemail earlier this week. I referred to Anthony Edwards as being the most Atlanta dude possible. And the caller asked me to find what it means to be an Atlanta dude in that context. And I struggle to put it into words.

Do you have any words for this? Oh, my God. It's always really tough because people have said this to me when like, you know, people will comment like, she's so Atlanta and someone will be like, what does that even mean? And I'm like, it's, it's sort of like a state of mind, if you will. It's your ability to be equal parts, business woman, businessman, and also ratchet. It's your ability to say what is on your mind at all time. all the time, no filter, no censorship whatsoever. But I think more than anything, it's just a feeling, Bo. Like, you can't describe what it means to feel pure joy. And you can't describe what it means to be Atlanta. You just recognize that shit when you see it. And Anthony Edwards is

incredibly Atlanta. Because here's the thing, there are Atlanta luminaries that are not actually from Atlanta. So I've heard people will be like, you know, like, I'm not from the same. city of Atlanta. I'm from the Burbs. I'm from Marietta and Powder Springs, Georgia, right? And I moved into the city when I started doing hip hop radio at 21 years old. And I lived there for 10 years before I ultimately moved to way to Boston. And so some of my formative years, you know, became more Atlanta when I moved into the city. But like when I hear people be like, man, Cuevo, he's so Atlanta. I'm like, Cuebo's like me. He's from out from Lawrenceville. That ain't Atlanta. That's the Bers, bro. That's the Bers. So I, yeah. So when people say like Jalen

Brown, I'm like, he's from Marietta. I think it was like Pope. But what I think of somebody being like very Atlanta and Anthony Edwards, this is the phrase I imagine him telling somebody in response to something. That's what I was trying to tell you. Yeah. Like the thing about the Atlanta dudes, Atlanta dudes operate under this premise.

Don't act like you don't understand what I'm talking about, right? Like it is the decision that this color switching will be minimal because, and I abide by this wholly myself. It's not back and like you don't know what I mean. Yes. You understand what I'm talking about. You feel me? Yeah. Yeah.

You knew exactly what I meant when I said that. Yeah. You don't tell me about. You feel me? You feel me, breath? I worked with a dude that is the most Atlanta person I've ever met. His name is Little Bankhead. It's not Little.

It's Little. And he is a radio personality still in Atlanta. Shout out to Lil Bankhead. And I've never met anyone more Atlanta in my entire life. Like, he claims that he's the person that coined the phrase going ham. He claims that he's the one that coined that phrase many, many years ago. But he's talking to him is. it's like a caricature version of an Atlanta person.

You know, he's definitely that person that still says things like, you know, you keep on talking, you fin to get your goddamn week, split. You know what I mean? Everything got down is bookends every sentence. So got down, man, just, man, he bitches be all along me, got down. That is very, yeah, that is, that is very Atlantaistic drop in there. Yeah, to book in what got down. And, and yeah, so like when I think of Atlanta people,

Like, it's just, it's a little bit of that. But it, like, it also can be, you know, Andrea Carter is from Atlanta. And we have very similar music tastes. And we always say it's because we're from Atlanta. So, like, yes, we can do some pussycat dolls and some Britney Spears, but then also Ying Yang Twins and Future. And like, I think it's just sort of all encompassing. Because while Atlanta is dubbed Black Hollywood, it is incredibly diverse.

And I think that that's the cool part is that you just get little, little pieces from wherever you are. But yes, Anthony Edwards stands among them. He's our true. this is where I'm going to ask people to jump in on the voicemail line. Everybody knows somebody that's where they invented a phrase or they coined one. I got one. Like, I believe that using cape as a verb to describe someone putting on his cape and coming to save the day.

Yeah. I firmly believe I did that. Now, I know this. You already cape it? Probably not. But I feel, I don't feel like I heard nobody else saying it before I did. Like every now and then, you got to go on Twitter and search. stuff. So like I called Tray Young, Tray to Barge, and I did not get this from anybody else,

but I searched on Twitter, and I saw that before the first time I had ever called him Trey to Barge, other people had called him Trader Barge, right? Like, we all they come up with this together. I tell people all the time. My advisor in graduate school is adamant that he is the first person to ever call Barry White, the Walrus of Love. My brother believes that he is the first person ever to use the phrase drop a deuce to describe a bowel movement. I know for fact that I'm the reason y'all don't say that why I receive his name in the street. Like I know that started here. But everybody got something that they're like, nah, nobody was saying that before I was saying that. Before I said it. We all know people like, your man believes that he invented

going ham. Yes. He will stand on that. He'll tell you no one was using going ham until he started using going ham. You are unequivocally the orchestrator of get off that narcotic, which I will be hearing for the rest of my life in any fourth situation. That is 100% you and I will give you that one. I don't know about the other ones though. I don't know. I don't know, but look, I just, I don't, like, trade a barge. I'm willing to share that with other people. But I did come up with it by myself, even if I was not the first person. You should get credit for that. I do this. I'll think of something. I'll think it's really clever and I'll do the same thing. I'll, like, Twitter search it and I'll be like, shit, a bunch of other people did. I'm still running with it because it was conceived in my brain, right? Organically and holistically.

So, like, I'm taking credit for it, period. I know that I am the first and only person ever on Sports Center to describe someone celebrating too early as premature I'm jacked elation. Wow. I am amazed that they allowed you to do that twice. Well, allow is not exactly the word. I'm a big fan of ask for forgiveness. Forgiveness greater than permission. But I definitely, I did drop that on a sports center and it was, it went exactly over like you thought that it would. It was great. But you know what? In part, I personally would not want to be the person who told you that it was inappropriate, for it may appear that that person was a bit defensive about the idea.

It's not funny. It's not funny. You may think that it's funny, but I'm telling you right now. There's nothing funny about it. There's a thing that people go through. There's somebody up there. It's a condition. Yeah, there's somebody up there.

That was just a little bit too salty about it. You was like, yo, I didn't even think it was that big a deal, bro. I thought it was a great play on words. Little did I know. I'm jacked elation. Premature. I'm jacked elation. Well,

well, the fact that you came, did you workshop that? Did it just come to you all at once? I didn't really workshop it, but it kind of came to me in the moment. I was like, what would it be,

you know, Keith Olberman used to say premature jockularity. I didn't, I didn't make a ton of sense to me. So I just did a player that worked for me. Premature, I'm jacked. And this is why she is perhaps our favorite guest here in the Right Time universe.

That is Elle Duncan. Check her out on Sports Center every now and then doing a little bit of wrestling on a plane somewhere and always let her know that she need to come back on the show sometime soon. I love that. I appreciate you. Thank you, darling. And ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on the right time. We do this three times a week.

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