The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Foxworth Friday: QB Tiers and Tears, QuarterBlacks and Blackups, and Meeting Ciara | 3.21

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

Bomani Jones is joined by Domonique Foxworth for another edition of Foxworth Friday. On today’s episode, the guys start off by talking about the sound of their own voice and why it never sounds as good as you think. (4:27) They move onto the NFL where Cam Heyward wants no part of Aaron Rodgers joining the Pittsburgh Steelers and how Rodgers' decision impacts Russell Wilson. (9:14) On the topic of Russell Wilson, Bomani and Domonique joke about Bo's first encounter meeting Ciara at a party. (16:32) Next, they go around the league discussing the quarterback situations for certain teams like why the Vikings won't trade JJ McCarthy (29:07), how Baker Mayfield reinvented himself in Tampa Bay (43:21) and what QB tier CJ Stroud & Trevor Lawrence belong in. (46:58) The show rounds out with Domonique saying why he loves Matt Ryan. (48:42) . . . Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media: http://lnk.to/therighttime Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Support the Show: Discover faster, more reliable search with Perplexity today. Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at perplexity.com! https://pplx.ai/bomani-jones When any player scores 50 or more points in a game, DashPass members save 50% on an order, up to $10 off. Use promo code NBA50 to redeem. See further terms and conditions at https://drd.sh/8ONpZP/ Find out why more than 2.5M small businesses use LinkedIn for hiring today! Find your next great hire on LinkedIn. Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com/BOMANI. Terms and conditions apply. Download the DraftKings Pick Six app NOW and use code BOMANI for new customers to play $5, get $50 in Pick 6 credits. Better payouts. Bigger wins. Only with Pick6 from DraftKings. The Crown is yours Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It is, in fact, a Foxworth Friday. Dominique Fosworth, what's going on? I still feels good to hear. I'm happy to be here. It's two in one month, man. It is. They don't get used to. it, folks. Don't get greedy.

Damn, dog. That, that, that, I didn't, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I don't mean you. I don't mean you. I mean, the people who be mad at me every time I don't show up. You mean, you mean me. That is exactly who you're talking about. This is the turn to our whole world. Look, man, you, you, you, you got too busy. They don't get L another TV show. It's a, it's a handful of y'all. Like, at least Joel don't move these, so we kind of get him back. But like, this show, it's a little tricky, because this does not work as well, just get somebody, quote, unquote, interesting to talk about. You got,

we got a, we got a, we got to serve, we got to have a volley, you know what I'm saying? I can't just necessarily go pull somebody out of nowhere. And I realize, man, once I start losing a couple people, I'm like, damn. I mean, it's not the bench is deep. When the bench is deep, but when we got to have three people from the bench on the floor and Dominique over there and street clothes, the bench is no longer deep. My apologies. And speaking of Joel, man, he came east. Man moved 10 minutes from my house. I've been texting him. And man, oh, you've been moving in. I'm busy moving to him. He won't be my friend.

I thought I had a new friend in town. And it's clear that this man don't want to be my friend. So it's fine. You'll probably get him soon. Like, we had, we had Joel on on Wednesday. Like, we taped with him. He had just moved into the crib. You know what I'm saying? So, like, let him get out of the swirl of chaos. You might, you might, you might have a little situation there. Now he might be bringing small children with him. You know what I'm saying? That's fine. I got three kids and they all love kids too.

So it's good. We got built-in babysitters. I'll say this too, boy. Joel figured out the greatest kid hack I've ever seen, which is his son, who I think is either three or turns three. Like he's ish, right? He loves parking garages. If you got to take the little homie somewhere that he'll enjoy.

take them to the parking garage. I'm like, oh, that is a, that's a hack. Yeah, this is, when you have kids older, you're a little smarter. You have a little bit more, you recognize very quickly that kids are easily amused, but much like adults, kids get used to stuff. And you introduce them to certain level of stuff. Then you try to take it to the parking garage again. It's like, huh, no?

Yeah. Well, maybe, like, what if you get, like, flip up the parking garage, right like just go to different there's lots of parking garages you know my son is like really into outdoor stuff which is unusual for me because that's not how I grew up but anytime I spend time with him doing like something where we just will go on the billy-go

trail or we'll go on a hike or something man's in heaven we'll be out there for three four hours I may not be in heaven but the time spent is worth it and it is always very free I enjoy that as an activity Yeah, no, no, I had to give them credit on that one. I guess the echoing, you know what I'm saying? Like you think about it, you a kid.

Echo, how fascinating must an echo be the first time you hear one? Yeah, I mean, it could be a little bit scary, too. It feels like kids are a lot like pets where the first time you introduce them to a mirror. Like, that's the same thing with Echo's like, it could be fun. It could also be a little creepy. Yeah, or if they love the sound of their own voices, is the greatest thing ever. Like if you're the kind of like, in the whole story,

you're narcissists, for example, saying his reflection. And then it was like, oh man, I just thought the greatest thing ever. Check this shit out, right? What if it's the same way was people who just really love the sound of their own voice and they hear it? Now, also interesting, that is an idiom that I find to be very interesting. I don't even know if idiom is the right way

to put it. But I don't know anybody that actually likes the sound of their own voice. It never sounds like you think it sounds. No. It never quite sounds. good as you think it's out. And we, like, theoretically, should be watching tape, like, going back to listen to ourselves. I absolutely hate it. I can't do it. I just wait for Charlie to tell me what I need to work on because listen to myself, you like pick out all the mistakes

and then also just the sound of it doesn't quite sound. It always sounds nasally, more nasally than I think I sound. My voice is the moneymaker in a lot of ways. And I don't really, it don't sound like a sound right now. Like me as I sit here, the outdoors. bound does not sound like what is going on when I'm here. It just doesn't. It is the wildest thing. Like what I actually am now trying to imagine because I know your voice is what you think it sounds like. You know what I'm saying? Because it sounds fine to me. Sounds good, in fact, right? I'd be curious to know what Billy D. Williams situation that you got going on to your own head that you think is Trumping, what you are offering us. I know that is fine. That is fine. I know that is fine.

because I've never heard anybody say anything about my voice that was bad. I've even had people tell me, hey, why don't you do some voiceover work? You got a nice voice. Like, I recognize that my voice is at least serviceable. But when I hear it, it's like, who that? Yeah, but I need to know what you. I don't know. I don't know.

There's no way you'd explain it. Yeah. Like, I have no way to explain it. Like, who that? Right. Right. But I wish that there were a way that we could get to listen to what people's voices sound like to them. And then somehow we, and look, they're going to figure this out. So let me be

careful giving this money away. But like, somehow we can take a vote. If I can hit a button and make a decision between whether I want your voice or the voice you hear, you know what I'm saying? Like, we might be on to something. It would, I tell you this, it would cut down on a lot of the errors in connotation, vocal intonation, that often get people in trouble. I think that it would, whatever audio dysmorphia we have, that might be another, like, generational divide in that we didn't used to hear our own voice as much as they do now. I imagine that teenagers now, they, like, they've been taking videos watching themselves since they were babies. Like, I imagine that my kids hear their voice. I'm like, oh, yeah, that's what I sound like.

I still have been doing this for almost 10 years and still hear my voice. But doing interviews since I was 16, hear my voice. I'm like, huh? It don't sound as bassy as I think it sound. That's my thing. I think I sound a lot smoother than is actually the case in application. Like, I don't, what do I have to do? Like, that's the thing.

How do I narrow this gap, right? How do I bridge the gap between, but then when I bridge the gap, I'm going to think it sound like something else. But we all, like, I feel like, generally black men have deeper voices in general like i hear like i think we are in good shape as far as that's concerned i don't think you have this issue though where i mean this is one of the beauties of writing is it does not involve your voice and you can also go over it a number of times so there are things that i think i'm saying and i'm very confused occasionally when i don't get the response

that i expected because when i wrote it or if i were to write it i would have gone over the number times to make sure it makes sense. But when I say it, it's just so many assumptions that you think that people are making connections. And I think to your point about tone, like mixing up the tone, if you miss the wrong tone, you say the wrong thing. Like, I'm sure everyone could think of examples of how you say one thing. It sound like a joke. You say it without their proper inflection, them fighting more. Well, well, the worst on that is when you're trying to do the joke thing, but you're really feeling the other day. And it's kind of like, it's kind of like when, uh, when you drink,

when you, when you, when you, when you, when you, when, would you, would, when, would, when, when, would you, would, when, would, what, I was, I was, I was trying to do the other thing. I promise. That we here. Uh, I mean it, but I, I did what you. Yeah. Think I bet it. Tough call. Tough call. Tough call. Uh, speaking of tough calls. Aaron Rogers got told by the Minnesota Vikings.

Nah, we could. Now, it is entirely possible that by the time the people hear this, Aaron Rogers will have landed on the team. But as we're talking about this, what is making people go, ooh, is that boy, Cam Hayward getting on his podcast, telling Aaron Rogers, I ain't talking about no darkness retreat. Boy, you're trying to get on and get gone.

Which of those two things this is going to be? You want to be a stealer or not? what is taking you so long to come up with this discussion. And I mean, come up with this decision. And I do think this is interesting that Aaron Rogers is not as good as he used to be, but Aaron Rogers has not been humbled. So Aaron Rogers is still doing things as Aaron Rogers is want to do in these circumstances, which, by the way, bless his heart, take all the time in the world to make the decision you want, right?

I'm just trying to imagine what is like to be the stillers of the giants that you got to wait for Aaron Rodgers' old ass and just sit here and you ain't got no better play. It does feel like degrading is probably too aggressive of a word, but insulting, if nothing else. But I like Cam Hayward, saw him at the Super Bowl. Great guy. However, this is where y'all at. Like, this is one of those situations where you wish this person wouldn't treat you the way that they treating you, but you don't really got the leverage to act any different. And it's the state of quarterbacks in the league. And again,

Aaron Rogers has enough track record, even though his recent track record is not great. He has enough track record to be like, hey, I done did some things in this league. So like, I get it. I would be annoyed too. And I love that the Steelers still hold on to some of these old school football ways that

are lost to modernization of a lot of sports. And that they're like, no, we hard knows. We ain't about that all that foolishness. We just about yoga lift some weights. That feels like what Cam Hayward is essentially saying. While I know that their players are doing the modern things,

but let's be real. Y'all one of the thirstiest franchises when it comes to a quarterback. So Aaron, the only reason why y'all in this situation, only is why he doing it because he can. Well, how you feel to be Russell Wilson right now? Because he got to wait for the other weight, right? Like, how does it go for the Steelers if you got to bring Russell Wilson back? I mean, I guess how it goes is, hey, Russ, you try to play or not because it looks like those are your two options.

Yeah, I mean, exactly right. I think the thing about Russell is he feels like one of the few guys that's capable of doing that. And I don't know him personally, but given what I've seen him go through the last few years and the way that people talk about him, like he seems like one of the few quarterbacks that's capable of going back in there and putting on the brave face. and the Steelers were certainly, I think, welcome him in a way that we wouldn't have expected. It might even have success. He throws a good deep ball.

You got two deep ball receivers. They might do something. Well, hold up. What if he snapped, though, and, like, which one of the many Russell's finally becomes the one that shows up, right? Like, he turns out to be, uh, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, what's, on Chapel show.

Oh, yeah. Not Al Roker, but Big Al, right? Like, like, he finally, he has just had enough. I told him, like, a straight. up, gags the bitch. You remember du rag Russell where he had the du rag on in the jersey? Oh, man. That would be great.

I'd say this, though. We just hug out with Russell a little bit at the Super Bowl. Me and Dominique was posing up hanging out with Russell and some billionaires. And Jeff Saturday. That really happened. That was the thing. But anyway. That was a real thing, man.

Jeff's the man. Yes, he is. He's just like, yo, I got any time. The best part about that was Jeff Saturday told you, quote, it's going to be lit, unquote. And you and I had a measure of skepticism of whether on like eight different levels. And then we got there and I got to tell you, it was lit. Dominique bailed out a little bit early, but it was lit. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. No, it was absolutely lit. I appreciate it. He got us in the little side secret room with the big,

fancy big wig, like Jeff the man. Yeah, like I said, oh yeah, and see, it was wild. Because see, I knew the cat that was running the other room. It made me feel like I was playing a player. I felt so playing a player that night. DMC, I got to holler at him. He shouted your boy out from the stage. And you got out there? Also, by the way, Bill Belichick pulled up that night with his queen.

And that is a man that is happy to be seen with his woman. Like, you want a man to love you out loud. You missed out on one. He was up there coaching football. Man, I don't know what to make of any of this. Like, I think obviously we don't know the public figures as well as we think we do. But I suspect that the real Bill Belichick is somewhere between press conference bill and an Instagram bill. But I made my reaction to all this stuff is first to roll my eyes, but then to be like, you're just hating.

He ain't doing nothing wrong. And man, having fun. He ain't hurt nobody. He wants to share his emails. He wanted to do yoga on the beach. All I'll say for him is that happy is flea. and he clearly loves his life right now. Loves his life.

But speaking of loving his life, Russell Wilson pulled up with his queen. Oh, yeah. And I don't really understand why he keeps playing football. I don't know. Why are you still doing this? But of money they about to be paying you to do this at this point, why are you with us?

And by the way, there's always that argument about, like, yeah, you see her, but everybody get tired of everybody. He's not tired of her at all. Brother, brother. We were very happy to be at that party. I was looking at Russ, like, what you doing at this party, Russ? Like, why are you even here? Yeah, the food was good.

They might have paid him some appearance fee, but I'm with you on that. I mean, I think there's... Hold on, Dominique. We was there with billionaires. Oh, yeah, multiple, like several of them. Yes. he was just another person who was in that room. Like I learned a lot, by the way, about the couple of friends that I stumbled upon

who were in that room about just where their standing is in the game. Oh, I know you was pimping. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Just because they don't dress like it. They don't talk like it. But the best part about that is Jeff and I've been friends for damn it two decades now. And I always have loved Jeff.

but the best part about it was he gets these invitations because he finds himself in those circles for a number of reasons. But Jeff ain't never changed. And Jeff was like, y'all ain't doing nothing. Come with me to this. We had no business there. It was no benefit to us.

They set us at, I'm not even going to say who table they set us at because I don't want to die. But they set us at a table with somebody who I was like, what? Like you can make your money that way and get invited to here. Yeah. Okay. They was billionaires.

They was like legitimate billionaires. I got to text the homie. But they was legitimate billionaires. And so, yeah, and so Russell in there. And I'm leaving. And I'm saying peace out to Russell as I'm leaving. And that was the first encounter I had with Sierra. And I just felt like I had to introduce myself.

And I just, hi, Obadi. I said it like two or three times. I don't know if she heard me. I had nothing to come after that. I wasn't trying to holler at the man's woman. But I know. I know you for a long time, and I've never seen this version of you. The gesture that you just did.

The hand clas together, the lean in, you gave her the pauper. Like, I, like, queen. I want of your loyal subjects. Hi. I'm a boy, ma'amard. You lean. I think I may have my hand behind my back just to make sure nobody misunderstood. Like, I don't know what it was.

He's like, oh, nice to meet you. Like, like. Yeah. She absolutely treated me with like a delicacy that implied that she knows she doesn't have to be this night. She doesn't. I remember the first few times I was around like somebody brought chili to our Christmas party one year. It was like first time around like some celebrities or whatever. And it was like you always.

By the way, I imagine that you other people know this, I'm sure. man she's tall oh she that yeah yeah she's not tall however hell of a handshake oh really she in veins popping all the forearms she tried to she tried to break my shit i wasn't i just like hey how you doing trying to break my shit and that broke me of whatever like celebrity um like respect that i was given i was oh yeah she she's she cool as shit she was made it clear that she's not to be trifle with though with that handshake which i don't know why that's the main thing i remember from meat in chili was that she didn't dat me up she didn't hug me she just gave me a firm business shake and squeeze the shit out of me she shook your hair like she played a bass

i don't know she must have been in some sort of workout something because she was ripped our guy uh eric rodholm his sister plays the bass go shake our hand go shake our hand is that what it is it's just musicians because it's weird the way that certain muscles well i think specifically like the bass requires like a different a different kind of hand but chilly that it look this is the thing i say about the sierra thing is i've been covering in some form of fashion the entertainment industry for literally 25 years like it's not as though this is the most famous person i've seen or come across or whatever it is like i'm not new to this right i'm not saying that i'm the super coolest dude in the world but like i take it in stride i didn't

really have an answer for what i was supposed to do right because let me tell you what i was what didn't happen. No one said the words. Let me introduce you to my wife, which generally, by the way, is a side to keep it moving. I didn't do that. You should hear Marcus Spears tell a story about when he met Beyonce and Jay Z. I feel like I'm not going to tell it as well because I can't tell anything as well as Marcus Spears because I don't sound like that. But the gist of the story was they were at a restaurant and Marcus, like Jay recognized Marcus, Marcus recognized Jay, they introduce, like they meet each other. And the next step, and there are other people there.

And the women, like, meet Jay and they introduce them to be, to Beyonce. And Marcus was thinking, like, I'm going to show Jason respect and ask, can I get a picture with Beyonce? But like, it's Beyonce, obviously. Like, she used to take her pictures. But I'm going to show Jason. I'm a Southern guy. Like, this is what you do. He was like, oh, yeah, you mine.

Jay was like, no. Yeah, no, no, no, he played that. Which is why you was like, no, I'm just go ahead and do that introduction. Yeah, no, no, no. He absolutely played that wrong. Like, yeah. Oh, he regrets it. Yeah, yeah, I tell this story.

I mean, she was probably going to say no, too. But I tell this story about keeping in mind, Jay Z's been known to be like clearing out backstage. Yeah. So nobody else would be back there with Beyonce. Like, he, he, he, that's what he does. What is it about Sierra? Because, like, I had the same feeling where we were like, there are certain people. people that when they are in a place, they don't seem like everybody else.

And she was in, there was, I mean, even Russ, he, he blended into some degree. But it was like, oh, yeah, yeah. She, like, she's not like everybody else that's in here. Right. She has a level of celebrity or something or just the way that she looks or something that, which, like, I mean, there's beautiful women all over the place, but it's not just beauty. It was like, that is a very good question. I can't drill down on what it is, but she's not the only person who has that

kind of aura, but in that particular party of people who are very comfortable and lots of rich people and lots of beautiful spouses, like all that stuff was in there. But that was one person in there that was like, whether you know it or not, you knew she was a star. I know this. We better figure out how to get on that list next year, so we ain't got to just necessarily depend on Jeff Saturday. Yeah, it won't be no problem. Jeff will look out. Yeah, yeah, but at the same time, like they might do this in other places. What if Jeff get food poisoning? You know what I'm saying? Like, we got to...

I got to be honest. I did not expect it because, like, I know how nonchalant Jeff was about it. I had to leave early because I made secondary and tertiary plans. Yes. Man, I might have regretted them plans. But I was like, Jeff going to take... Because he kept saying it's a dinner and the food's real good. I was all right, Jeff going to take us to a dinner.

We're going to be wrapped up around, whatever, 8.30. It's going to be chill. It's going to be a bunch of old people with a lot of money and we're going to move on. That shit was fine. No, dude. Like I say, the musical, there was a band, and then DMC came up and DMC was selling cookies. He got cookies. The cookies were good, by the way. I took two bags in them cookies. Just cookies? Yeah, yeah. He said DMC, Darrell makes cookies. It's a whole new, it's a thing he got going. And so, nah, DMC. And look, man, I understand these young people got a real misunderstanding about old school rap. And yes, rap has changed. Now the technology changed. It's a whole bunch of things. But he was up there doing it's tricky. And, you know, It still feels like something. Like all the Redd-DFC saws he was up there to it is like, no, no, no, no, no. This still feels like so.

Performing is one of those things that, like, looks easier than it actually is. And there's something to, like performing in front of a crowd. I think there is something. You can be incredibly talented, but not be a great live performer. And it's something about understanding the relationship with the crowd and reacting to it and pushing the right buttons. And to your point, there's the old school rappers had something, some ability that I don't quite understand, that maybe you understand better than I do,

to hold the crowd. I mean, there's obvious reason for why they might, but I get your point. Because they used to not have, they didn't have all these tricks, wasn't all these lights, wasn't all this pyro, and the music goes.

And it's the music where you don't see a lot of scenes in movies anymore, where somebody will be doing some rap, and they'll be like doing rap, and it's a crowd full of white people, and then the camera pants and the white people, and they all look ridiculous. waving their hands, like all off beat.

Like, you don't have that anymore, okay? I was watching the crowd while he was doing it. That music brings that out of white people. That particular straying a rap brings it out. And they was out here looking like moms. Like, they was doing all kinds of stuff. It's just it get in your spirit. Of that era of white people.

Like, I'm guessing. Oh, no, I even saw some youngerish whites. Oh, okay. Okay, okay. Yeah. My apologies, Mr. DMC. I didn't think you could rock the 30s and 20s. I thought it was just the 50s and 60s.

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come back to the Aaron Rogers thing because Tom Pellasaro has reported that multiple teams have reached out to see if the Vikings are willing to trade, J.J. McCarthy, and they said no. And my question is, why would you think they were going to do that? Like, I would be offended if I'm the general manager. Don't think that's got to African dude running things. Okay. Okay. They try to play you, brother. That's all that says to me. I think it's Kwame or Kwaiizi. One of those things. I think it's Kwesi Adolfa Mensa, right? Yeah, they try to play you. Yeah, I mean, the only reason why they would be willing to trade him is if, like, that's one of the weird things about this is no one's trading a rookie quarterback that they think is good. Like, it's one of those things is like I would not be a member of a club that would have me.

I think that's one of them sayings that I'd be messing up sometimes. But yeah, like, if you call and they say, yeah, like, who giving away diamonds? Like, that's the most valuable thing in the sport. a rookie quarterback that can actually play. That suggests that they saw something on tape that they don't like or that injury is progressing in a way that makes them unhappy. Dominique, the cults told Peyton Manning to beat the street for a player who had not played a game yet.

And not only they tell them to beat the street, the whole plan was to do what they could to get them. And then tell Peyton Man to beat the street. The Colts, I think they started that year. It might have been 0 and 14. It was like it was a crazy long stretch of losses. And I remember they won a game on Thursday night football. And I'm pretty sure that game was against the Texans.

Because even with Peyton Manning on the sideline, the Texas could not find a way to beat the Colts to Indianapolis. And Peyton was on the sideline. And they paned to him and his neck was still hurting. And he was like, oh, yeah, like doing the fist pump. Because he knew. He knew you're done in this. town as soon as they can get Andrew

Luck. You're finished here. If they had had to get Robert Griffin, Peyton Manum might have retired to Indianapolis coat. That's fair point. You know what I saw I saw that the Ravens picked up Cooper Rush. What in the, like, Lamar Jackson has reached a

level of black quarterbackedum that has yet to be seen. He has reached a place in quarter blackdom where it don't even matter. You can breed his white dude in. Name the last time. that happened where it was so good. Like, it might have happened by mistake one time, but it's never been, this team is aware. Like, the Ravens are a team that is quite under, that really understands to some degree as much

as a franchise can some issues of race that I think other teams don't, which like they are conscious of trying to make statements that demonstrate some level of progress. Like, that all black quarterback room from the coach all the way down to all the players. That wasn't like a coincidence. They didn't find it out and then say, hey, look what we did. Like, there's a number of things that they are. aware of. So this was not a mistake. They was just like, hey, he's so good, we can go get the best possible backup that we can afford at the price that we like. Congratulations, Lamar Jackson.

Fuck that MVP. This is bigger than that. I think the other level is Cooper Rush at once managed to come in for the Cowboys and win like four games while also not threatening the starter. That's not threatening which starter, the black starter. Yes. That is. there you go, there you go. That is, so Cooper Rush actually might be the optimum backup. You can win games with them, and then when it's over, you're going to sit his ass back down. The Ravens are one in the organizations I have the most respect for, and I just realized that

I underestimated how much respect I should have for them. I thought that they were like, Lamar made it to this level. We ain't got to worry about that no more. No, they was like, who done this before? Like, which white man is capable of not dog whistling to the fan base should he have a stretch of three or four wins? Hold on. Hold up.

What if this, right? What if they had their list, right? And they were going like, yo, can we call Tyler Huntley back? How old is Josh Johnson? Right? Like maybe they were going through all of that stuff. And then somebody was like, I got it. Hear me out.

And then he laid out the whole plan and situation. and you just saw it go around the room just like a ripple. And it was like, yeah. Hell yeah. Ozzie Newsom is from Alabama. Yeah, the things that he is seeing and experience. And he's still, he's not the GM anymore, but he's still a consultant that's very involved in there.

And I suspect that a lot of the issues of race are things that Ozzie Newsom as an athlete who played at the University of Alabama is well aware of in the early days. He was one of the first. not the first but one of the first I'm sure that whoever had that idea, Ozzie had already calculated it and it's kind of amazing to think that

it feels more likely than not that somebody did that math I give the Ravens credit man they went all in when they got that boy and they were like this is what will be required for him to be successful right with the cults

you talked about this before I did it with Anthony Richardson, I think where they've kind of, kind of messed up is that he, I think they're really just trying to put a fire under him. Like I think at a large part, I think they've got to know

what ain't a good idea, right? Like I think they try to put a fire into him, but you can't get that other dude $14 million and then do it. Like that part, he made more money than Anthony Richardson, if I'm not mistaken. Like, that part,

that part doesn't go. Like, you just, You got to be, if you're going to do this, you've got to be all the way in on it. I'm, um, and I might go through different times or waves in my life where I view the world and view people differently, but I'm at a point where like, I sincerely believe in the deepest parts of my soul that people don't change. And I mean, I guess there are some occasions when I'm wrong, but my experience with, and this has happened for a long time where people would think because I play college football or because I play in the league that they knucklehead's son going to listen

to me? And it was earlier in my career when I was like, I don't talk to your son. Like, I'll take a picture. I'll meet him. But I'm not having this scared straight, get your mind right, be like me, conversation with nobody else's sons and nephews. I say all that to say, we're going to bring him in the light of fire under him. I don't believe in that shit.

Like, yeah, you are. Maybe it works for. week. Maybe it works for a couple of days, but people tend to go back to who they are. Now, there may be some level of maturity that happens for people at different points. I'm sure people change to some degree, but what ain't going to happen is you bringing some dude and now I'm going to be like, oh, I'm a new person now. I feel like that's a, that's some sort of narrative concoction that like feels good to say, but never actually works. I think he just needed to know he might lose his job. I think it's good thinking, right? And I think they had kind of

hope that Joe Flacco would be that because Joe Flacco does have a lot of to take your job in them. I think they might build a statue of Joe Flacco in Cleveland, you know what I'm saying? But then Joe Flacco went out there and the Browns learned what some of us had been trying to say about Joe Flacko in Cleveland. He wasn't actually good. They were just winning games. Joe Flacco does play backup quarterback, though, in the way I think somebody like Joe

Flacco should play backup quarterback. What I got to lose. Let's go. That's the way that everyone should play backup quarterback. Unless you got a great defense or a great running attack, like that's the only chance of winning is that you hit sevens a couple of times. And then his career in Cleveland in with back-to-back pick sixes in a playoff game. I believe so.

Yeah, it happened fast because I was thinking they're going to, they're going to, the fans really going to want him to come back. I remember thinking that before that playoff game, and he might have had a couple passes in that game that were good, like a long touchdown to the titan or something. And then them picks happen and I was like, oh, no. Also, it is my understanding that the Browns were aware that they could not bring Joe Flacko back. That that was given that, now they were all in.

The Browns, you want to talk. about being all in on your quarter black. They picked the wrong one, but they was all in. Like to, yeah, it looks even, not that, I feel like most of us thought it was

a bit outrageous at the time, but it looks even more outrageous now. Like, when has anybody committed to a black man after the allegations? Like that, not never,

in the history of life. Like, I guess, and it's like, it's not even after the allegations and contrition and serve your time. Like, Michael Vick never got fully committed to again. But, like, he served his time. He came out and said he was wrong and people liked him again.

And then Andy Reid gave him a half commit. I ain't never seen nobody for the black man who was in the midst of controversy and say, you know what? We're going to give him the first fully guaranteed. Oh, yo. And understand this. And understand this.

Black people was riding for Michael Vick, right? In ways that I both understood, it also found to be a bit misguided. But black people were in fact riding for Michael Vick. We were not riding for Deshaun Wauser's nasty ass. We were not doing it. There was like never any point in this that I felt obligated to be like, okay, there's some things that you might not understand about where these people are coming from. I did not have to do any of that.

yet and still, Jimmy Haslam was like, how about we give him more money than anybody, not just more guaranteed money than anybody's ever gotten, but way more guaranteed money than anybody's even thinking about giving. Like nobody, they were bitten against themselves. No, no, no, no. That was their only chance of getting him. He said no to Cleveland.

And then Jimmy came back and was like, money whipped him. Yeah. What if they just did it to Miles Garrett? That man got a track record. That man got a track record. Yeah, he's like, no, that is the, I know what'll fix that. That's the thing.

I mean, you and I probably more often than people appreciate talking about how money don't buy happiness. Maybe it don't, but it buy a lot of shit. Yeah, see, that's the thing. The way I explained it, I think I talked about it on this show using this analogy, but if you haven't heard it, this is very important. Let's say that I offered you $1 million

to kick you in the nuts. You're going to take the million dollars. And when I kick you in the nuts, it's not going to feel like a million bucks. It's going to feel like you got kicked into nuts. And after a point, things will get back and then you'll have a million dollars, right? But while you're going through it, that million dollars is literally not going to make it feel better at all. It's just not how it works.

It's a perfect analogy, too, because it does not allow for, any of the like workarounds that you might have for other analogies where you'd be like, well, you could just use your money to do. You actually can't. And maybe maybe, maybe, I was going to say maybe women don't understand this, but I'm sure they get it. They understand it to some degree. Yes. But like, you can't rub your money on it.

You can't buy a new pair. You can't, you can't, like, that's a perfect analogy because everyone's like, yeah, but you could go ahead. Yeah, the bed that you rest on will be soft as hell. but you know what's still going to be throbbing. Nuts. Still going to have a throb. Oh, God.

This is all that comes down to. Miles Garrett, while Miles Garrett is getting his ass beat again, and while Miles Garrett enters the playoffs next year or doesn't enter the playoffs, recognizing that he does not have a chance at a meaningful win and that the rest of his career, he's going to be one of the greatest players to never, win the championship or make a deep run or have any like milestone plays, it's going to hurt and ain't going to be made to feel no better by the fact that he could

buy a small country. The thing that really has distinct for the Browns is they got a get a quarterback pick in a draft that it ain't, it ain't there. Yeah, it ain't there. Not at, I mean, Cam Ward is a bit of a stretch at one. Yeah. But these other cats are not tunes. Yeah.

I mean, you can convince yourself of anything, and I think it's not hard to stretch your head to understand that Shador Sanders' accuracy and decision-making and a Kevin Stefansky offense will work out fine. It's like when you think about how they produce in San Francisco a bunch with quarterbacks that aren't great. But they always had like a lot of talent around them. He's not really going to get that.

with a broken Nick Chubb, a depleted offensive line, which was great at one point. That's the crazy part is when they made that commitment to Deshaun Watson, like that team was loaded. And the quarterback they ran out of town, kind of balling now a little bit. Kind of balling now a little bit. Like they were loaded.

I typically don't like subscribe to this sort of thinking. But Baker Mayfield kind of, and Matt Ryan in particular, your team's disrespected you when they went to put in them calls to Deshawn Watson's nasty ass. It's like, Baker Mayfield figured it out as soon as he heard this was even possible. He was just like, oh, man, they really, they really did this. And you know, but you know what Baker Mayfield again, he's a starting quarterback. We overused the term franchise quarterback.

Right. He's a start. And by the way, starting quarterbacks, hard to find. Justin Fields starts, but I don't think he's a starting quarterback. Baker Mayfield is absolutely a starter quarterback. Is that the tiers that you would put it in? It's like there's a starting quarterback, excuse me, there's a franchise quarterback. Then there's the superstar quarterback, I guess, would be how.

Yeah, a franchise quarterback. And then there's quarterbacks who start. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We're not going to discuss anything below starting quarterback because, like, yeah, that's, we still look at in the draft. Yeah, like Kurt Cousins. the probably the yeah yeah there was it the botanic ideal of the

of the starting quarterback yeah he'll start for you but you're always looking for another one Alex Smith was a starting quarterback Joe Flacco was a starting and you can win Super Bowls of starting quarterbacks the starting quarterbacks the starting quarterbacks the reason why they're starting quarterbacks I think the best way

to describe them is like they don't have that high end consistently but they can reach it and generally they ain't going to ruin you too bad. Like, that's kind of it. Like, Kirk Cousers could go off. He could give you 400 and three touchdowns one day. It's going to happen once or twice a season. And most of the time, he's just going to give you enough play that's not going to stink, which, again, back to where we started, you know why Aaron Rogers can jerk you around Steelers? Because it ain't that many

of them, man. He's still a starting quarterback. Yeah, he is still a starting quarterback. He's not a franchise quarterback. But like, and what you kind of hope to get if you do end up in the starting quarterback tier is a starting quarterback who does not scare. Because Kirk Cousin scares. That's the, that's the issue. He can get you to a play. Sam Darnel showed us at the end of last season. But you know who's the starting quarterback who don't scare? Jalen Hertz. That's who. You can win, you can go to two Super Bowls and win a Super Bowl with that starting quarterback who doesn't. does not scare. Jimmy Garoppolo, starting quarterback who's scared. Yeah. So I like that distinction because you're right. It feels disrespectful. And I think a lot

of Eagles fans still are like pissed that people haven't elevated Jalen to the level of these other quarterbacks because of how well he played in the biggest two games, which is like, yeah, we know he's capable of that. Yes. What we haven't seen, no, is like, yeah, would Lamar and Josh do like all the damn? Yes. You know, like, if you gave a- Regardless of who's with him. If you gave us that Super Bowl game three, four times, five times a year, then we would talk about it.

In the playoffs every now and then, I get that. And I understand. It's the perfect, the perfect, like, sports media debate thing because we talk about how important these big games are and there's no arguing. He was incredible in both Super Bowls. Right. But, like, come on, guys. Guys, come on, guys, let's be honest with each other.

Well, let me ask this. As you have like starting quarterback who does a different different, starting quarterback and a franchise quarterback, that tier between franchise quarterback and superstar quarterback because I think you and I would agree that the superstar quarterback tier is Patrick Mahomes, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and Joe Burrow. I think there's room to discuss Joe Burrow, but I think that overall we say that those of the four that are there. That franchise but not superstar tier,

I feel like it's a lot of young guys that exist in a franchise but not superstar. Like at some point, we will stop and say about them that, hey, maybe they're just starting quarterbacks. Like right now, C.J. Stroud is a franchise quarterback who is not a superstar quarterback. Do guys, so many guys get, like Trevor Lawrence comes to mind. I'm trying to think,

if there are guys, it's probably just an aberration if it's happened, where a guy became a latent career superstar quarterback. Like, has anybody done that, made that leap? Because I think we convince ourselves, particularly in this age where we are accepting of quarterbacks with some level of athleticism. And also, we do a lot more analysis of offensive line and receivers and coaches. Like, it's so easy to convince ourselves that the reason why a superstar isn't a superstar is everything around them or something about their situation.

But we kind of know like where the superstar is a superstar. So I think an interesting example to try to talk it through is Matt Ryan, who I think it was fair to say was a franchise quarterback who had a superstar season. Exactly. Right. Yeah. But I don't think he elevated to superstar. And I think I've told you this before.

You owe that first team. I love Matt Ryan. A few people and it's where I love more than Matt Ryan. I saw him a couple years ago and it was the way that you treated Sierra is how I treated Matt Ryan and he probably thought it was awkward and confusing. I tried to explain it to him in a short sentence. I was, bro, you made me money, Matt Ryan. Thank you.

You saved my career. So I appreciate Matt Ryan. But I ain't going to lie to myself. like he had Julio and Shanahan and gave us that shit one time. Yes. I don't know that there's anybody. I'm trying to think. I mean,

I guess you have to say Steve Young or Aaron Rogers, but those guys had different situations, right? But Steve Young, yeah, Aaron Rogers got it going while he was still in his 20s, though. And Steve Young, look, Steve Young had the chance, granted under the worst circumstances possible, playing for the cream single Buccaneers. fell apart, was supposed to take Joe Montana's job. That was the whole reason they got him.

And Joe Montana was like, ooh, y'all got me fucked up. And held that boy off for four years. If you want to know how good Joe Montana was, he held Steve Young off for four years. Understanding that Steve Young, once he got the job, was a first team all-pro caliber player. And Joe Montana was like, no.

Apologies for saying that you can't light it. a fire under certain people. Let me take that back. Let me go ahead and take that back. Because sometimes I think maybe it's it is sometimes you got to relight the pilot. If you're not a guy who has a fire, you can't make one. Or is it that you can light the fire under someone undersized? Yeah.

Like it's hard to light the fire under this quarterback sent straight from God chiseled and granted Anthony Richardson. But undersized Joe Montana, who's coach. firmly believed that he could put anybody else in the system because the system was really the star. Oh, that fire burns, baby. It burns. It's almost like identical in a way to the Tom Brady situation with exception of the fact that, um, rather than Jimmy Garapolo. It was, uh, yeah, with the exception of the fact that like Joe Montana was like a highly touted college player, but like Tom Brady's small, his small is being drafted late, right? It was like nobody ever

believed to me. And then y'all went and got this pretty boy. Like, I'm, I'm the pretty boy that's supposed to cook here. That was the perfect person to put in there to say, we move it on from you. Like, he's younger, he handsomer. And y'all think he better? No, I'm going to go ahead and force you to send that man out west. Yo, how many practices do you think it took for Todd Brady to be like, you got to be kidding. There were some stories, and this is the, you and I cut back on social media, but there are some stories that I saw recently about Tom Brady walking out of a team meeting because Bill Belichick was given was Bill Belichick was ripping him on tape. You know, we always get those stories about how Tom Brady was just like Tim Duncan and that

he allowed Bill Belichick to rip him. At a certain point, it appears that he did not. There was, it might have been Bennett, I think, anyway, somebody was on one of those shows and I saw the clip and they said that they were ripping time or belligerick was ripping tom brady brady got up and walked out of the meeting while it's still going on which if anybody knows about football that ain't something you do like it's you think about football think about the military that's how we act we ain't like basketball players that show up late and do whatever time got up and walked out the meeting and when the meeting was over he was on the phone talking to somebody it's like oh that's what i forgot it might have been the old running back but anyway they said

That's what I knew that things had changed. Like, yeah. That is different. Yeah. Did you see the Odin? I think it was, yeah, Greg Oden was on Gilbert Arenas' show. And Greg Oden talked about how LeBron reacted when the heat tried to take the team's food. It was the cookies, right?

No, no, no. The cookie story, they asked Greg Oden about the cookies. And Greg Oaten said, I saw me the cookies. I never saw me the cookies. But what Greg Owen said he saw was the players would buy food for the flight. And somebody decided that they wasn't getting no food. But LeBron said to the whole team that if you see anybody on here eating, that's not us, not part of this 15. I give you permission to slap the food out their hand.

Because according to Greg Oton, LeBron was like, y'all going to take our food? Ain't nobody eating. I fuck with that type of leadership there. That right there is for real. Like, nobody's eating if we can't eat. I assume that's like some shit that Pat Riley used to do to his teams to motivate him or whatever. And it's fine. But like, nah, that ain't working no more.

We got the internet. We know who really got the strength. No, Pat Riley's like, look, man, I don't answer to no 25-year-old, dog. But better or worse, that was the... That was the play that he decided to make. I'm fine with that, but I think the pushback I would have is like, it's so disrespectful because the insinuation, like that's how you treat a damn animal.

Like, you know, like the insinuation is y'all not trying your hardest. You don't care enough. I'm going to get your attention by taking your food after you just played a damn basketball. Man, if you don't get out my face with that shit, I'm a grown man. We can do the best that we can. We're going to try hard. But I'm hungry. Well, the part that I don't think anybody talks about with Riley is Magic Johnson got him fired in the year 1990.

And I think that he decided nobody was going to get him fired ever again, right? Like all the dudes with the heat, like, like with Shaq could have got a fire, all of them dudes, he traded all them dudes and then he quit. But it was like nobody's ever going to have more power to me. And I think that's what infuriating him about the Jimmy Butler situation, where they made some compromises that they hadn't been willing to make in the past. And he misunderstood what they accounted for, which was not as much as you think. Yeah, yep.

And now they can't win a gang without Jimmy, damn dear. And the Warriors got some crazy record with him. Yeah, we talked about this in some, well, it doesn't matter where, but we were having these classes. They were talking about workplace and whatever. and like relationships in the workplace. And the point that I finally came to it was like all the things that you think are gaining you points. Like you're not creating exceptions or creating expectations.

It's like you think if I do this really, I recognize that with my son now, who is of my three kids, the one who like is willing to try and test it up is like, I think that if I'm lenient with you here, that that means that you're going to be like, oh, yeah. That looked out for me. Homework, going to be easy tonight. Nah, it just means that he now expects whatever leniency that I offered. Like, oh, no, this is now the norm. That's what Pat didn't understand.

He thought Jimmy was going to be like, oh, you had my back when I was going through that tough time. Like, nah. This is the norm. No, like, this is, this is what I do. Yeah, you better get my money or I'm leaving. Or I'm going to make a hell. Then I'm going to leave. Yes.

What a time. What a time. That is Dominique Fonsworth. Check him out on the Dominique Phosphorus show. Oh, I appreciate you. We're all fine podcasts. They're giving away for free. My brother, I appreciate you.

Thank you. It's available for me. All right. We'll see. Sean, did Perplexity have anything to say about the show? Yeah, I know we're recording this earlier in the week, but I was curious where Aaron Rogers will land this season if Perplexity had any information. And they said, while his next team remains uncertain, the Pittsburgh Steelers and New York Giants are the

primary candidates. This is the best part at the end, though, is that the Steelers and Giants are both eager to resolve their quarterback situations. But if Rogers decides not to join either team, retirement is another possibility, which I think everyone is hoping for. Who, boy, it's a good thing Aaron Rogers is single, because I can't imagine how terrible it'll be to be married to Aaron Rogers and he ain't got nowhere to go all day long. Good gracious. But ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on the right time. We do this three times a week. Sean, you handles everything behind scenes. Thank you, sir. Also hit the voicemail line. 3-2-3-9-6-7-6-7. Tell us about your worst vacation ever. I'm asking you to tell us about your worst vacation

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