The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Foxworth Friday: TV Antics, Shedeur Sanders, and Draft Questions | 3.7

Episode Date: March 7, 2025

Bomani Jones is joined by Domonique Foxworth for another edition of Foxworth Friday. On today’s episode, the guys start off by talking about how they're both better at being guests on shows instead of being the host (6:37) and why Domonique would get a haircut once a week for TV. (13:51) They move onto the NFL Combine where reports say that Shedeur Sanders is sliding due to his arrogance (26:22) but Bo thinks he would work magic if he landed in Kyle Shanahan's lap. (35:13) Bomani and Domonique also discuss the lack of name value in the upcoming NFL Draft (37:10) and why Howie Roseman is a genius at evaluating talent. (42:24) The show wraps up with Bo joking about not being able to hit a curveball and why Domonique's daughter is too cool for him now. (46:26) . . . Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media:  http://lnk.to/therighttime Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Support the Show: They Swoosh, You Save: when any player scores 50 or more points in a game during the 24/25 NBA regular season, DashPass members save 50% on an order, up to $10 off. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original. My name is Beaumani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. And look at here.

It's a Foxworth Friday. Oh, yeah. Dead dog, Dominique Fonsworth. What's going all? I'm a fan of the show. And it's a weird dynamic to listen on Fridays. and get mad at Dominique Foxwer for not being there. It's a weird dynamic where it's like, oh, yeah, that's right.

He was busy. Yeah, but see, that is a thing that people don't know. Watching and for purposes of this discussion, I think this holds, right? Watching or listening to your show when you're not on it can lead to a swirl of emotions. Like I don't, I've talked about this on here before. That first time they did how I knew it without me. And I was like, boy, they sure seen. to be having fun.

I told you, man, I scheduled meetings with everybody. I hand one with Pablo, I hand one with the producer, I hand one with Eric. I'm like, hey, man, you know,

anything I'm doing? That was the original Foxwood Friday. Yes, yeah, see, so this was before that, though. Oh, okay, I was about to say, I'm sorry.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, you ain't have to worry about that. So for people who don't know, the Foxborough Friday, they really got coined, Because one summer, all right, so I get a lot of vacation time and I have for a while. Like that's a sneaky ESPN perk that if you play it right, you get a lot of vacation time, right?

And we had had basically, they tried to play me in a negotiation one time and to make me feel better. They wouldn't give me the money. So I said, cool, give me an extra week of vacation. That by the way, I am sure by the end was worth more than the money. But anyway, I got an extra week of vacation. And so I had all this vacation stacked up. And I was like, man, I can't really be out here taking but so many trips. It was a different meet.

The me now would just take all the trips. So what I did was I figured the best allocation of these days was I took every Friday off all summer long. Every single one. And Dominique was kind enough to show up to work, come to my job on Friday because I was not coming. And brother, don't you worry, I ain't watch none of them shows. Good, good, good. I was feeling bad because, yeah, we was out there having fun. No, no, no, no, no. By then, by then I hit A, I made peace with the situation, and B, the reasons why you might have been having fun actually would have infuriated me more than they made me jealous.

Yeah, that's true. That is true. There was a lot of antics. We did a whole lot of antics. Yes, yes. You hit the Antic Man. No, no. I'm no. I'm not the antic man. No. In fact, let's start talking about something else. I'm starting to get heated about five-year-old antics. I'll say that I've come to agree with you more generally about like, we got to do meat and potatoes and then have some dessert. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, we can't we can't just roll out a bunch of antics. We ain't Saturday Night Live. No, no, we're not that funny.

We're not that interesting. We're not more interesting than sports. Like I think that is a fundamental thing that everybody who does sports programming needs to understand if we were more interesting than sports, then it would be ESBN or EBPN, the Beaumani channel, and not the sports channel. The sports channel is why I got fancy watches. I can't. I only have one fancy watch, but it's fancy as hell. I got, um, the funny thing is you never really think much about like the context surrounding things influencing how funny or interesting something is, but I get that, I get reminded of that.

when I'm like, I have something, I do something funny on, on Get Up. And it's hilarious on Get Up. I, just the other day, Perk came on and twice was like, my grandma told me whatever and related it to sports and then Bug did it. So then they came to me,

and I was like, so I don't have anything that applies, but my grandma told me, Hennessy tastes like pound cake. It crushed. This has nothing to do what's going on, but she told me that. It crushed. But I don't know.

ain't no goddamn stand-up. It was only funny because I said it to Mike Greenberg. Amen. And it worked because it was in the moment. Reading your house with the plan to be funny is I live working with the comedy. And by the way, doing that job I did for a little while where that was a big part of it. I had a coach. Okay. It's really, really, really, really hard. You was doing stand-up comedy, bro. Like, you were from nowhere to doing live monologues for H.B. in front of a studio audience. Yes.

And it did all right, mind you. I'll just throw that part out there. Like, no, no, no. I would go and had all the standups on the staff and I would go to their shows and just kind of talk to them about stuff and watch the process. And I was like, oh, no, no, no,

I need everybody to understand how hard it is. Like some people I've tried to explain how hard this is. I need them all to understand how hard it is because this is the thing about antics. I figured this out about televised antics. You have way more leeway on television with your antics on somebody else's show. Yeah. On your own show, you become responsible for a whole lot of different things. So like, for example, if you were going to somebody else's house for dinner and you want to bring something, yeah, bring a bottle of wine or, hey, maybe just bring some dessert, right? But if you're having the meal at your house, you can't be like, all right, I got the drink. What y'all? What y'all talk about? Where to rest that?

You ain't tell if it was a pot luck. Yeah, that's, I learned that when I got my own show. And I just expected. So like when I, I'm a guest on your show. And like I think one of the best versions of me in media like comes out on Foxwood Friday. I don't got worried about shit. We're all better as guests. Yeah. Then what I'm doing my own show at the first like a long time ago when I first started doing it,

I was like, damn, I'm not that funny or that interesting. Like, where am I? But it's because I'm trying, it's impossible to try to be the straight man in. And it's just really hard to do. Like, you do it. But it's, lots of practice hours of radio. But I'm better as a guest.

Like Dan, Dan made that point. He was like, we're all better as guests. And what you try to figure out with your own show is how the infrastructure can be set up to make you a guest, basically. Like, his thing was you got to get the right person to, like, put you in these places

and stuff. Because look, I do it real subtle. But I get you to ball where you like it. You know what I'm saying? Like, like, I don't know. you ever heard this story, but Mark Jackson was telling this story about, like, them UCLA runs, they used to have in the 80s and 90s, and that magic would be out there killing it. And Mark Jackson couldn't understand how all these dudes play better when they play with magic than they play with him.

And look, you guys have to understand. Mark Jackson, if I'm not mistaken, it's like second all time in assist or something up there. Right, right. Not a Hall of Fame player, but a traditional point guard in a way that we don't really make them anymore. So for him to humble himself and ask this question is a real thing. And the dudes are like, yo, man, it's not just that he get me the ball. He'd get it right where I like it. That ball come right here in the pocket. LeBron is excellent at this too. Like you watch LeBron with the heat.

Shame bad he knew I was only getting the ball if it was time to shoot. And he would be in the motion before he even got the ball. LeBron get him right where you like it. Right. Like that's what a good host does. He figure out how to get the ball to the cat right where they like it. You know, it's hard to do that for yourself. Yeah, it is very hard to do that for yourself.

I think the thing about that story that is just jumps. And it reminds me of people ask me because I'm a former athlete. And I think I've probably, you never really have done this, but generally people, and even on my own show, somebody will do something. Like Tom Brady, I remember, would do something. And Charlie would ask me, like from the athlete's perspective, and that reminds me of the Magic Johnson thing because it's like there are athletes,

then there's different. Right. And like the idea that a great point guard who specialized in setting people up, Mark Jackson, was in the NBA and not there was something that he wasn't good at, there was a level of playing this game that he hadn't even considered.

That to me is outrageous. That he was like, oh, get it to them exactly where they want to. Don't just get it to when they open. Don't just create the angles for them to be open. Also, get it to them exactly where they want it. It's pretty a pretty important. So when Charlie asked me about the mindset of Tom Brady, I'm like, bro, I'm an athlete, but I'm not, I ain't never been that.

Well, what makes it nuts with magic is that he's doing this in pickup. We're not even talking about guys that he plays on the team with. He's talking about dudes that's just out here running today. and he's like, yeah, I know, I know where he likes it. Like, you and I've been doing this so long that I don't know if you remember this. You probably do. We were doing a quarantine, highly questionable. And we were talking, I forget, oh, we talked about Central Florida.

But Central Florida were undefeated that year. And Dan was trying to get out there and make their argument about how they deserve their chance to go out there and play. And I'm like, no, no, no, don't, you know, it's better this way. Like, you don't need to get them out there against the best. you and I had never talked about it. And I said something. Dominique know what I'm talking about. Ask Dominique about that time they went to the orange ball.

Orange ball, baby. Yeah. Look on your face. Right where I wanted it. Right where I wanted it because I had even known that I was open. I didn't even know I could relate to this. I didn't even know I was wide open. Next thing I know, I'm in a corner with a ball in my hand in five feet of space.

Jabby was a problem. Swish. That is magic, that is yokey. You'd be like, damn, the ball just hit me right here. I had no idea. Rex Grossman was giving us fit, sir. That game was over before it started, and it was a great season. I wish we hadn't ended it that way.

Like, it was nice to go to an orange ball. It would have been nice. Like the following year, we beat the dog shit out of Tennessee and the peach bowl. A lower fruit. But that shit felt good to end your season. getting who Casey Cawson threw me one, I think, in that game. Yeah, but Dante Stallworth, deed him up. You know, Jason Witten, popping so much shit.

That boy talk, that boy, talk shit. Really? Oh, he's one of those guys. He's a hit-the-switch guy where you, like, you wouldn't recognize Jason Witten on the field. Because Jason Witten, if you close your eyes, he sounds like he like us. Like his, and then you talk to him off the field, you see how he dressed. oh, no, sir, but Jason Whitton, oh, and it's not, it's not fake. It's, it's, it's fluent, fluent shit talk. It's not that fluid. Like, he don't go that far. But it is fluid,

where he's like, oh, no, it's, you seem so much younger than Jason Whitten. Yeah. Well, I mean, despite what you might say, my hairline is holding on stronger than Jason Witt's. It is. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. You're definitely holding on stronger to Jason Whitton. Jason Witten, if I'm not, remember Jason Witton, didn't Jason Witton come back after he did that disaster stint on television and then he went to play it for one year and he had to, look, when a white man come all the way home.

Yeah, because when you ain't got no curls, you can buy a little bit more time. You got some moves. I don't see some people do the comb front, the comb over, where they just got one thing that's so long. But yeah, Jason, he ain't had no choice. Yeah, but there's also just general white privilege or the white man can go kick it any way he want to. And I want to be clear, the white privilege that comes from white man be able to keep their hair as is fading and everything else,

y'all ain't even the ones that's enforcing the privilege. I've talked about this many times. It's my own people that do this to me. Like, I wish some white man would say something to me about my hairline. You got some fucking nerve. You don't even know. You know what I'm saying? You ain't got no concept of understanding of what time it is over here, right?

Like, you know, come on get out here. Now, look, I think I'm down for bringing back to old days when we ain't have to be perfect all the time. It's Michael Jordan's fault. Talked about this also before. Michael Jordan came home before we noticed it was a problem. Mm-hmm. Right? And then now everybody else had to do that, right?

We should be able to kick it like you could back. Shout out to Clyde Frazier. He's still out here kicking it like they did back in the day. He's like, I'm so cool. They don't matter. I think in our group chat, I mentioned this. I need to get to the bottom of who got the first shape up and hold them accountable.

because like I imagine I know plenty of women enjoy wearing makeup but I imagine that some are like why do we ever start this shit because if you never started it it would become an expectation and I believe that sometime

in the early 80s or something with a hip hop era somebody got the first line because when I look at all the civil rights stuff from the 60s and 70s like they was going to give big speeches big marches obviously you just went to the barbershop

no shape up. I would like to go back to when, because now I got to get, when I'm on TV, I got to get my shit cut once a week. Because I'm expected to have, I can't handle new growth. I saw somebody say once that is dope boys

in New York and Harlem, they're the ones that brought the shape up out here. And then from there, you know, that's where we went. Quarantine, let us bring a little bit of it back. But I ain't going to lie, bro. I'll be looking at them game theory clips. And the thing about game theory was

the background was black. and we put a little fiction in there. Hey, brother, in the wrong light, I still look like I was ball-hitted. I still look like it. It took so long before you got to the main event. It was, hey, man, that was a time. That was a time.

I put a little play fake in there this past season. I'd always avoided it. But this year, yeah, this year I decided, I decided to show the ball to the back, put it in his belly and pull it out a little bit in the corner. So yeah, I don't know. I'm going to come home eventually. I think the problem was it's like not only,

I feel like we have, we've stopped the pushback. But now it's just getting a little thinner. And you know the people who got it strong on the sides. And then it's weak. Yeah. Yeah. See, the only reason I went with the fiction when I was on TV, quite honestly, was they wouldn't even asking me if I wanted it.

Yeah. Like, they were telling me. That was the hard. part for me because I had one time when the Super Bowl was in Atlanta, I went to a random like Atlanta barbershop and they put that fiction in there without

me asking and I was like ooh, that boy looking good but I, and then that was a long time ago and from that on my barber would ask me and I'm like, nah, don't do that. You don't believe they're cheating. Yeah, it feels I don't know, something about it feels wrong to me but this last year, I don't know

like it's some hypermasculinity like vanity stuff but this last I was like, man, just give me a little spray. Let's give me a little spray in the corners, baby. They don't have to know, but they don't have to know. Got to say, I have not exactly sure how we got here. And one thing I do like to do or try to do all this show is kind of stay on topic in part because I'm a radio guy.

But then I stop and realize, man, man, when these players be having a podcast, Dominique, they be out here talking about any old thing. Anybody else be out here talking about any old thing. Like, I feel like I'm out here doing it wrong. No, we, I think on Fridays we do it perfect. When there's stuff to talk about, there's stuff to talk about. We actually, I realize that a lot of these podcasts, I don't listen to them. I get exposed to them by clips.

And the clips be great that float to the top. But then you look up their podcast and it's an hour and a half. And they just start out like, ooh, they just start out slow and eventually find their way to some good stuff. Like, yeah, they're doing it right. Just send me the clips. Hey, let me tell you this, boy, we talked about this a little bit earlier in the week. But I think I can say this a little more concretely after watching more ESPN. out the week. Hey man.

Let me tell you who don't be saying nothing bad about Nico. The good folks at ESPN. Nico Mestero and gave us an NBA story like we ain't. Hey, we talk about the, they be talking about the Lakers on ESPN now like the LeBron Heat. Like

every night they got a game. And look, I guess it's because they rolled it right now. I think at some point there's going to be some mean regression that takes place. But oh no, appreciate you guys. Like Nico did the biggest favorite the people try to put together television and radio that anybody's had in quite a long time.

I don't get like why people, it feels like people outside of Dallas are angry with him. I don't get, it was the same thing that I relate this to the Atlanta draft and Michael Pennix, where it was like, I felt like I was alone. And the Michael Pennix thing, like I defend it.

I really can't bring myself to defend the, the Nico thing other than saying, I guess he got a plan, and I respect the, fact that he had the heart to make a decision. And that's like, I ain't mad at him. If it's dumb, that's fine. Give us something to talk about. I don't know. I don't want a bunch of computers running these teams or playing for these teams. But Dominique, you know what's going on here. And it's okay. Like, I need these guys to understand. It's okay. Look at a guy. Okay. And Luca,

Luca got into that very interesting space. Talked about this before. But for those who haven't heard be mentioned it. I'll say it now. I'll even say this. Y'all can make a social clip out of this if you want to. White basketball players, there's a weird inflection point that they have to deal with because nobody is harder on white basketball players than white people in general, but white basketball players in particular. They're some real crabs in a barrel, okay? They're real tough on it. They can't believe, but some white dude get it going. They can't believe. But, you know, once that white dude starts showing something, right? It is very rapidly that that white boy goes from being underrated,

where it's only us that got something to say about them, kind of like white quarterbacks, right? It goes real fast. They go from being underrated to, I can't say enough about that dude. That shit jump off the graph. And Lucas at that point, I've been dealing for the last five, six years. I'd have heard of compare Luca to LeBron. I'd have heard of compare Luca to Jordan.

and I know every stat in number that you could throw out there. I understand why you might think that you don't sound ridiculous when you say those things, okay? You might not look ridiculous on paper. You sound crazy. I need all of you to know this. You, especially if you were over the age of 35, you really sound crazy. But it's your man's.

I haven't heard, I don't know how you compare Luca to Jordan. Like the Luke to LeBron comparison, I mean, it's, I guess it's a bit lazy, but it makes sense. Like it's a big point guard, essentially, like a big point guard who sees the floor and pass as well. But the athleticism is not at all comparable. Yeah, I don't know. People have to find some way to compare. Can't just have a guy that's on his own. I get it.

We got to fill up this time sometime or some way. And it's the same thing with like the draft stuff is we do a lot of comps. nobody never do bum comps. And that's the thing that's hard to me, man. It's like, I get it. You don't do bum comps. But like, let's be honest. Like you would rather than say that someone is not as good,

they say shades of Aaron Donald. Yes. Ain't no shades of Aaron Donald in this draft, sir. Well, you know who they did that with last. I forget how you say his name. but it's the the the the the the little aaron Donald and he's not even little because you can't be little Aaron Donald as a linebacker the same the dude he is a Yancy he plays for Tampa Bay he went to pit he was an undersized three technique just like Aaron Donald yeah that's just because he wore the same helmet and he is undersized like that that's the the we know we talk about the racial comps that they do that all the time too is you can't do cross racial comps and they've started to to be aware of that and been more conscious of the cross racial comparisons. However, I get it that you want to use names that people know, but it drives me nuts.

And I hear a name, they got this guy. I've been watching a lot of tape on this guy. Sherman Stewart is a rush, a defensive end at A&M. And I like him. But the reason why I started watching is people was comparing him to Miles Dam Garrett. And again, it's like he real big. He also go to A&M. No disrespect.

The man is a baller. Like, I like him. Man had one sack. He had one sack, Beaumani. He's not Miles Garrett. Like, stop it. He tall is Miles Garrett. He's strong as Miles Garrett.

He quick as Miles Garrett. He big as Miles Garrett. He went to Texas A&M like Miles Garrett. Brother had one sack, man. And he's disruptive. It says it like, it might sound. like I'm being disrespectful and saying that he's not good. Like he's good. I understand getting him in the first round.

But he ain't Miles Garrett, guys. Stop that. And right fast, I was talking about Collagia Cancy. That was the guy. That was the guy, six foot, 280 pounds out of pit. But no, no, he was not. He was not Eraddle.

It was, it was, it was not the same thing. Pablo, what I did, how I knew with him, he used to call Luca a mini LeBron. And I was like, bruh, if you are many, you're not LeBron. That's fair point. That's, that's, that's, that's all. You know, he's, he's like a smaller version of Will Chamberlain.

Ah! Don't. Yeah, it is the defining characteristic. You know, like, you can't, you can't be, you can't take the defining characteristic away, away from, and say that they are similar to that person. It's like a slow, uh, Lamar Jackson. Yes. It's like a little Josh Allen.

right these are these are kind of the it's a or it's Josh Allen with a weaker arm you know what that is that's a bum that's what that sound like to me that sounds like a tight end yeah let me tell you what Josh Allen with a weaker arm is doing he's about to drop off a case of brew down there at the down down there at the packet store that is what Josh Allen with a weak arm is about to do oh gosh yeah those those are bad oh man uh speaking of player cops and, well, you know, somebody that's not being compared to Josh Allen, but we're talking about a particular player of the draft in just a moment. Shout out to DashPass and their members-only deal for the 24-25 NBA season.

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See further details and conditions at the link in the bio. All right, Dominique, you did not go on the football out of town trip to Indianapolis. No, I ain't been to the Combine since I ran at the Combine. Man, let me tell you something about the Combine. I imagine there is some shenanigans at the Combine, but like, that sounds like, to me, always from a distance. And look, I don't think this is an inappropriate term, but we'll just throw it out there. That just sounded like a big old sausage party, baby.

Like, it's a bunch of football players and a football scouts. I would hate to be a woman who has to go to the combine. I, I, ugh, yikes. Yeah, I don't imagine. I don't know, though. I went to Essence Fest a long time ago. Okay, but it's, it's, it's, I understand why you might find them to be analogous. but of course the difference is dudes

that's the difference that just dudes dudes that are having drinking contests every night right like I would be trying to run past the hotel bar ain't no telling what these cats might do but it's a wide variety of people that come it seems that from people I've talked to at the combine

the NFL people seem to only have one thing in common they all seem to fire should do or say just to be a bit off-putting Josette Addison The reporter She had tweeted about how she kind of Didn't like hearing so much About the ways that people were talking about

Shadour and the ways that people were talking about him Being brash and being a bit arrogant And all of those things But it was such a broadly Applied opinion of him That He's not good enough to be that Right?

Like he is looking right now to be a late first round pick I don't like the idea of draft stock and everything else. But when I talk to the people, I actually trust about this. We're talking about maybe late first round pick. You ain't going to be putting your watch in nobody's face as a late first round pick. It's just not going to work. The brash part, so like this is every couple of years, it might be every year, but every couple of years there's some like racially coded analysis that is concerned.

and off-putting and unfair. Colin Shador Sanders, brash, to me, like, maybe you can't, maybe they can't say it, but like what is we talking about? That don't feel like a mischaracterization of the player that you might receive. Now, arguing that that's a bad thing is another question because I don't think that, or there are plenty of quarterbacks in the league that are having success

that are brash in a way that I think is probably off-putting. We just dig so deep into the stuff that doesn't matter. Can you ball? Your brash becomes marketable if you can ball. Your brash is annoying if you can't. Can you ball? The fact that you are in the Star Trek becomes interesting if you can ball. If you can't, you've got too many outside interests.

Like we are looking for shit to talk about these players when none of that shit fucking matters. Can you play? If you can play, we make a story about how all the weird shit about you is cute. If you can't play, the weird shit is distracted. I don't know why we haven't caught up to this yet. But I think that there's like multiplier effects depending on where you are and how good in all of these things, right? And so I think with a quarterback, at the very least, they're thinking about and talking

about these things a little bit differently, right? But if you are, okay, Josh Rosen is an interesting example because we have now forgotten that he ever existed. you know, I was team Josh Rosen because it sounded like he was just a little bit too smart for those people, right? And I always loved that Josh Rosen, and those who don't remember Josh Rosen's people was rich. Like,

I want to say, he wound up going to Wharton, but if I'm not mistaken, he can to the Wartons or whatever, but like he come from stock, his parents and big time lawyers, and they was rich, right? Josh Allen installed a hot tub in his dorm room when he got there. Amazing. I'm like, okay,

with that guy. And I actually found when I would see interviews with him, I was like, oh, he is maybe a little bit too smart for this world in a lot of ways. But he seemed okay. But if he were a number one overall pick, good, that wouldn't have been an issue. Instead, he's in graduate school right now. And, or business school, yeah, I think he's in B school. But either way, he's like 27. And that's where he is right now. Yeah, the personality part, we start talking about that. Once we start getting to the margins and start margins and start getting to the fringes. And the truth is, they have tried to make it a, it's a Shadur or Cam, who you got.

After the combine, it sounds like nobody's going to do that anymore. It's a Cam Ward and then everybody else. That's why I say, Tennessee's taking Cam Ward, number one, unless somebody really, really backs up the truck. Because he's the only one that seems to be a quarterback that people really believe that can happen in this draft. I don't know with Shador, like you said, what is the reasonable expower? How does this go? Like I'm curious because I don't think he goes in the first round. Yeah.

Wow. I personally, and maybe not everybody feels this way, right? But if that dude is still out there at 20, he'd a lonely barber, dog. Go ahead and wait until that thing, get a little bit cheaper. You think that his personality and connection with obviously his father who's coaching, like you think that that weighs into the decision making because I got to be honest, if I were a coach, it would be on my mind. It would be something I would consider.

It's like I don't need this. I think you just put it in the way that I was struggling to as I was talking in that circle there a second ago. The coach that has to be the one to put up with this off-putting person that might not be that good, then yeah, it does matter, right? If you're the person I got to spend the most time with, we're going to be up in here at night.

Oh, this is going to be a thing. My thought, though, as it relates to Dion, is this one. Dion's not a fool. Yeah. And I think Dion knows he's not going to be able to force the action. He got his own team to coach now, right? I don't think you'll hear that much Dion in the media. Mm-hmm. If Chodor isn't playing well or isn't used right or whatever. I don't think that'll happen because maybe I'm being wildly optimistic about this because I know parents can be different about stuff, right? But I think he knows that doesn't help. but maybe he won't be explicit, but he got more relationships, and you know how this game works sometimes. He got more relationships and influence in media, sports media, and maybe the NFL

depending on the coach, than almost every coach in the league. And so that would be kind of like the whole. news cycle around should the Cowboys hire Dionne Sanders. True. That was Dion Sanders, man. I mean, Jerry played into it because Jerry also, like, I don't believe all the people that I talked to, no one believed that it was a real possibility. They understood that both of these entities know how to play this game.

And so, and we also are hungry for that. To your point about the Nico trade, we need something. And if there's a dead period in Dion San, to say something, then it's going to become, it'll be, particularly if it's not a big market team. That is going to be the, he say one thing. That's going to be the storyline for your season. Every time you get on to the big networks, because we ain't going to talk about you otherwise, it's going to be when they're going to place your door.

Remember when Dion said or Dion didn't say. Someone's going to say the shit that Dion wants to be said. Like that, I'd be, I'd be concerned about it. I think where the Dion factor is going to come up is I do think, and I think he probably should, I kind of not a fan of these grown men having their parents maneuvering their careers. But trying to make sure Chador land somewhere that is conducive to his own success, I think, is where Dion will be most invested. My guy, Lanzeerline had Chador at his mock draft going at the end of the first round to Cleveland.

Lenn, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, terrible, terrible. That's not, that's, that's not going to be good for him. Dionne, Dion seemed to be pretty cognizant when he would mention teams before of where he wanted to do it to play. It sounded like places that he thought would be good for a black quarterback. The problem is, as I recall, the places that he mentioned all got quarterbacks, black ones at that. I believe he discussed, because he talked about all the teams he played for.

He talked about Atlanta. He talked about Baltimore. he talked about Washington. Oh, sorry, brothers already got that one. All three. Three for three. Three for three. Given what you're saying about it and how the tides have turned,

like he, it'd be great. And the problem is, anytime you draft the quarterback in the first round or second round, probably also, unless the guy in front is ball and there's going to be a timeline on it. Like, you know what would be awesome for them is if he went to the Rams. Like, he was hanging around.

He was late to the Rams somewhere. with a coach that's stable and knows what he's doing with quarterbacks, a quarterback that is obviously on his way out soon and a situation that you can build up around him. Like, to your point, he needs to go somewhere that's conducive to his success. And based on the evaluations right now, he's not a savior. Don't put him in a bad spot. And don't put him behind a shitty quarterback because that's going to be bad for everybody. I tell you, boy, I said this early in the week.

Please let Kyle Shaddaher find a way to get them so they can play some hard ball with Brock Party. And they should do a sadness come in. Except no, actually, no. I think the wheels are coming off over there in that place. I don't think I want to be at the helm. That is an underrated thing. As they just traded Debo for a fifth round pick. And at first I was like, damn, that's all you can get.

And then I looked at the numbers. Quietly, Debo Sanders, Samuel had like one good year, one really good year. He served purposes, but he really only had that one really good year, right? there's an unraveling. I think that's about to go on over there, as they're probably going to have to pay Brock Purdy $50 million. And the story around Brock Purdy is going to be he's getting overpaid, and that's the reason why this team sucks when actually, to your point,

there's some unraveling happening that it ain't going to be all on Brock Purdy. And yeah, there are four quarterbacks, five quarterbacks in the league where no matter what, your floor is going to be at a certain point. Brock Purdy ain't that guy. But he, to me at least, he's definitely proven that he deserves the major contract extension from the team that he's on. And if they don't figure it out, it's all got to get pinned on him, which I hate. Generally, I hate that as a practice or just guys, you pay them what they deserve. It's time for you to do your job.

He'll have to soothe himself with all that money. And I try to explain this to people. That doesn't work as well as you think. Yeah. Like, it doesn't, like somebody, I would tell us somebody, somebody can kick you in the nut. you rub a $100 bill on and it's still going to feel like somebody kicks you in the nuts. It's a trade. It's a trade. It's not a fix. You can buy some nice ice. You can buy some liquor to expensive stuff to forget your pain. But it's still going to be there. It's still going to be there. This is this draft, I don't see enough dudes I've ever really heard of to be honest for this draft to be a truly interesting. one. This college football season, I think, was interesting because there were so many

like underclassmen. For example, I think the best receiver in college football, he ain't even going to be in next year's draft. That boy Smith. Yeah, Ohio State. Yeah, they. Yeah. I mean, Ryan Williams, who out there playing like a ghost, he ain't even going to be in next year's draft. They're going to be around long enough for when their draft comes up. They're going to be interesting and exciting players. The thing about the NFL draft, though, that's different from basketball draft is, I guess, the only other one that we really care about is the whole draft kind of matters. We just don't know it.

Yes. And so, like, saying that it doesn't matter, it's not true. Like, in football, a lot of teams are determined by some really great draft that happen with guys with names we don't know today. So the draft is really interesting and important, but it could get kind of dull and boring because we don't know none of these people. You got to study too hard for the. NFL draft. Like that's like them people who are real draft guys like my buddy Michael Smith.

Michael Smith is a draft guy. He gets all the books. He loves everything about it. You just have to love it. I don't care nearly as much because my thing is if you doing all that research for your team, you go tell yourself you love whoever they take. That's how this work every year because ain't no point in saying that you don't. Yeah, it doesn't make sense. And the more research you do, the more reason you find to like somebody. But, uh, the, the, reason why, and we were talking about defining characteristics before. And like, to me, at least defining characteristic about football is the reason why the draft is so hard to prepare for. And it's the reason why I think football is so interesting is because it's not a complicated game, but it's a

complex game in that if you watch a basketball game, everybody's playing the same position. I know we think like, yeah, centers and point guards are different. But functionally, everyone can score, everyone can play defense, everyone can shoot, everyone can pass. That's how all sports are kind of like soccer, lacrosse, I mean, with the exception of baseball, I guess, hockey. Like, no, but even then, you're doing the same stuff just at different places. Right. But all these sports, I was just saying that all those kind of sports are kind of the same. Those net sports are kind of the same goddamn game.

It's all fucking handball. But football is 10 different sports happening at the same time, at least four or five. Like, so in order to be to watch a basketball game, you can see a guy. I'm like, all right. Yeah, I'm watching for, I'm watching 10. guys and I'm watching for these things. Football, you're like, man, the things that requires for a left tackle to be good have nothing. Like, you have to be an expert on left tackle play. Like, from tackle to guard, it's kind of different. Not even to mention, like, from tackle

to cornerback or receiver. So like, yeah, it's almost impossible. And then it's 22 guys on the field at a time. It's really hard to be excited about these drafts and watch enough and know enough to make sense of it. You know, it's funny. You just mentioned the thing about left. tackles. Because if you've seen this thing where Will Campbell play left tackle at LSU, he went to the combine and they found out that he has short arms. And he has been asked questions about this and he said that you won't

find anybody on the film who beat me because my arms are short. And I'm like, son, that is a great answer to give in that moment. And if I were a general manager, somebody hand me that red pin so we can not take this short arm dude as I were left tackle. Like, no, no, no.

It don't take much to Like all that combine stuff, we don't see it happen as much now. But in the media, particularly when we got like a larger proliferation of, well, people like me, people who weren't died in the wool sports writers and we came in the game. And a lot of us just thought everything that the football people did was just stupid. What's the point of all these, this guy is doing a drill. He's picking up a tennis ball and doing all this. What's the point of X, Y, Z?

Hey, man, these people have been doing this stuff for a long time. Some of this, like the 40-yard dash, had been overstated. but most of it, there's a reason and what they're looking for. A tackle with short arms is a tackle that's got to let that dude get close to him. A tackle with short arms, there's another word for that in football. It's called a guard. Yeah, to your point, I'm sure there's some inefficiency and stupid stuff in all of the things that anyone does in any industry.

But by and large, they figure these things out. And this is one of Charlie's big things. we're talking about players is he refuses to endorse any low-end outliers. Like anyone who, like, high-end outliers, he was all in on Anthony Richardson because he's a high-end physical outlier. Anyone who's like, like, sometimes it works. Like, Kyler Murray, cool. I mean, it works kind of.

Aaron Donald. Cool. I'm a miss out on that if I'm drafting the Charlie Kravitz way. But if you are high-end outlier, all in and to your point, like, yeah. it's possible that Will Campbell can play, tackle in this league and be great. It happened too many times with their armless, so I'm not going to take a risk on it. You know who wouldn't take them? Howie.

Yeah. Charlie Kravitz talks about. Charlie Kravitz's thing is, look, howie Roseman is all about high-end physical outliers. And that is the truth. If you look at the Eagles, it is freak after freak after freak. Jalen Carter is next to Jordan Davis. Okay, it is the Georgia defensive line. Nola Smith is on one side of him.

Freak, freak, freak. The real example of that is not the defensive line as crazy as it sounds. These motherfuckers got six, seven guards, Bermani Jones. Two of them. Two of them. Like, that ain't a thing. That ain't a real thing that people do. Guard is where you put this.

the guys who too short and two short arms and not athletic enough to play anywhere else. They got a little center, but they guards, man, are six, seven. They took Mackay Beckton enormous ass and, and kicked them down. You can't kick down that, man. They kicked them down. Seven, three hundred seventy pound guard and they kicked them down. And so the idea, and Howie Roseman, obviously, very good at his job and very smart. But this is a another situation where we can make it as complex as possible. And they have an awesome analytics department. And I'm sure their scouting department is great.

But would it come down to the come down? Howie like, he big, he fast. Gimme. Right. It's the same way I do what I'm drafting. How we did the inverse of the Jimmy Johnson, Bobby Bowton, uh, strategy on defense. that revolutionized college football in the 1980s.

And it was very simple. We're going to turn defensive ends into defensive tackles. We're going to turn outside linebackers into defensive ends. We're going to turn safeties into linebackers. And we're going to turn corners into safety. And if you play corner at Florida State, it's because you're Deon Sanders. That was like that was the approach they did on all of it. Howie went the other way on that.

All right. We're trying to tackles to guards. And if you're a tackle, it's because you're Lane Johnson. or my lotta. Like these guys are awesome tackles. They went from Jason Kelsey, who is a center-sized center to like a 350,

30-pound-pound-pound center, right? Yeah, and he's, I mean, he's shorter, though. But yeah, he's a bigger, yeah, for a center size. Actually, he's probably about accurate for centers. But nobody else around them is normal. Like, I don't know what the average size in the offensive line is, but it's got to be the biggest in the league.

I can't imagine. Well, hold on. Thinking of all of this, how cold must how we have believed Devante Smith to be? Oh. Yeah, we'll go ahead and do that. Because that is the regularest size dude

that you could possibly name. Right? He looked like a dude walking around my daddy's hometown in Louisiana. He has a very particular look at his face that is very Louisiana. And any of my Louisiana people listening right now know exactly what I'm talking about.

But yeah. I'm not one of your Louisiana people, but I feel like I saw him when I was down there a number of times. Yes. I saw that face. I was like, oh. Do I want that? Oh, my bad. My bad.

But that man won the Heisman. So, like, maybe he is not a physical outlier in the way that, like, oh, when AJ became available, I'm sure Howie couldn't make that trade happy fast enough to get AJ because that is a Howie Roseman type of dude. Did you see the. clip on one of the podcast. Like you say, he's talking about the clips. I think he was talking to, I think it was a million dollars worth of game. But it was AJ Brown talking about how he went and played little minor league baseball and they started hitting him with that number two. And he was like, man, I'm going to go catch them passes. Brother, I would try to make that baseball thing work whatever it took myself personally. But he was like, no, that's no,

no sport has anything quite like the curveball. Make you quit. At every level, at every level. At every level. At every level. level, the curve ball, I guess football has the, you know, get the shit knocked out of you, right? That's the, that's the football curve ball. But at every level, different gradations of the curve ball wipe out more and more people. It's like a measuring stick. You get up to the new level and they're like, how you feel about this? If you say, oh, no, that, that is over for you. The, um, I feel like the AJ choosing football speaks to like football people don't like this. But when we have, that like could football players play basketball or basketball players play football?

Like it was the most obvious answer to me. And people got mad at me for saying I traded on on my guys. Like, no, just being honest. Like the, oh. That thing keep following that. It just keeps happening. You couldn't even. I was pushing through.

You know what I'm saying? Dominique was like, ye. Nah, I was willing to push through. I just thought it was funny. The football guys, I feel like you choose football in part because in football, because in football is one of the only games, I think, professional level where you can just be a freak athlete and it don't matter. Like baseball, the freak athlete, like that don't help you track that ball and hit it. Same thing with basketball with shooting and whatever.

But football, there are some positions where, like, look, if you're real big and real coordinated, you're going to be all right. And I feel like when you're playing baseball, you're like, man, I ain't going to make no money playing baseball because I can't hit this curve. football, AJ, like, look, can't nobody guard me because can't nobody stop me. I know this money coming. This is I just thought about with the curveball. I think I've talked about a few times. Like, we don't give enough credit to some of our great inventors of all time. There's a lot of people that, for example, who was the first man who when the get down was about to get down was like, hold up, I need to wrap this thing up.

I did a lot for a lot of people. I also have a lot of questions about the circumstances that led that man to be like, oh, ho, ho, ho, ho, give me a $20. I need to go, let me try something right fast, right? But that is, that's a real, a butt-like real man a genius right there. Like, we got a whole bunch of them. Can you imagine what it was like the first time

somebody got into a batter's box and they got their tobacco, they spitting it out, and they're hitting their spikes, they're doing all this, and they've been killing it. And they're ready. And then next thing you know, that thing goes up. And then that thing comes. down. That first

time you saw the curveball, man, I bet that shit looked like sorcery. You're like, hey, hey, hey, you're not allowed to do that. We got to change the rule. Throw it to me straight. I can't imagine what, like, obviously sports media wasn't around back there.

But the way that we react when something new happens now, like we just go completely bananas. Nothing that different. Nothing as drastic as that has happened, I don't think. And sports is like the invention of the forward pass. There's the only other thing that's like, the curve ball, like,

will you plan a different game now? Like, I thought we had an understanding. You throw the ball fast at me, try to get it past me. Yeah. Oh, you're going to make this bitch move. It's dancing or like the split figure fastball the first time somebody or just the changeup, right? Like, yeah, that ain't go as fast as the last time.

But the way my daddy talked about the first. time he saw a crossover dribble. It was like the first time somebody saw an iPhone or a vape pin. It's like, whoa, because they had to change the rules to allow to crossover dribble. But like the vape pin, you imagine you taught somebody that had been in jail for like 30 years and they come back and they're like, yo, hit this. What's it? What's this? It's that, is that faulk? What you mean is that faunt? So you're saying I could just be in my room and can't nobody tell? Oh, snap. Yeah, the crossover dribble is.

So a couple things. Average size of center in the league is 6,3, 270. So I was wrong. You're right. They even got a big-ass center. And when you said the crossover dribble, it reminded me of an odd moment of pride. My son just turned 12. And he just can't stop himself around the house.

He'd just be doing crossover dribbles and dunking on. trying to dunk on me in doorways. This fool do back pedal drill. Like just, and I just had a flashback to, like, I ain't say nothing to it, but I was like, oh, I remember them days throughout that same age. And he hasn't played tackle yet. I think we're going to let him play tackle in next fall. But he see me come around the corner.

He'd come around and form me up. Like, I do that all the time. I used to do that all the time. It's such a little boy thing. I was proud of him. Oh, man. Like, I was a progress check boy. I left so many dirty handprints on.

them door frames up there. Like that's the, that until you can get to like real dunkable levels on the goal, that's what you had. No, no. Like I heard you start saying that. And I was like, yeah, I know what's going on here.

He's getting there. He's getting there. That also, by the way, means that if it isn't happened already, it's coming pretty soon. He's about to be a great age jerk. That age is here. Oh yeah.

No, it's definitely here. It's fine. We got to go through that patch. The girls is, is different. My oldest is she just don't like us no more. Like she loves us, but she just don't like us no more. Which is fine. She too cool for y'all?

It's not that she's too cool. Well, not because y'all are cool parents. So like... I wouldn't go that far, but... I mean, no, no. I mean, you are in the wild, like, a cooler person. Right, right, right, right. Like, the vision I have. I'm not saying that I'm not calling you a players coach.

Yeah. Yeah, you heard how I felt disrespectful. Yes, I did. Yes, I was like, hold on. Hold on. They ain't my friends now. I hate your little friend, Dominique Poss word. Yeah, I hate your little friend.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. Like relative to other parents, we're a little bit younger and a little bit cooler. You're right. She still likes us just don't want to be around us, which is fine. I get it. Oh, perfect. That would be, I feel like as a parent, I know that kind of, you know, it's a change of changing things. But, like, that would be, I'd appreciate that.

Yeah, she's the biggest concern I have is like, she's. really responsible and like and smart. And so like I pretty hands off most of the time. But I got to get back hands on because I don't know, I don't know what's going on, but I know it's something could be happening. And I don't know what's happening because I don't like, school is always good.

She don't get into any trouble with her friends, whatever. I just got to be, got to stay vigilant and don't take this. Don't go to sleep. That's what I feel like. I can't fall asleep. Look, man,

if you just know it, there's nothing you can do about it. but some fuck up that's coming to your house very, very soon. It's happening. Just make them come to the front door. You know what I'm saying? Like, I don't know if we're still in the era that boy pulling up to the house and just hitting the hoard. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That is nothing.

We would not stand for that. But, yeah, we got some time. They're not driving yet. She's 14. We got time for all that stuff. But, yeah. Oh, God, if she don't want to be around you, I can't imagine what she thinks about her brother. Oh, can't stand them. I can't imagine anything I'd hate more if I were a 14 year old girl than a 12 year old boy. It's funny because they've always been two years apart, obviously, but girls, it feels like at least with her, but most girls are a little bit older, like they act more mature. And so, and most boys

act a little bit younger. And so they've always seemed like they're like four years apart. And he gets joy out of pissing her off. Like, he loves it so much. And she's easily, pissed off by him because he just show up and start breathing. She's like, right, and she'd be on her peas and cues and cues, you know what I'm saying? She'd be getting it done. He do not be on his peas and cues. He'd be losing them peas and his cues.

I got to find them peas and cues. And they try to convince him to get on him. But we get on him eventually. He's been on his peas and cues and cues. He's pretty strong lately, so I'm proud of him. Look, you know, I don't have the kids. The closest I got is my buddy Nick's daughter, who I realize is in sixth grade.

and that is like wow for me. But as she got older, I'd always tell her points. I'm like, look, I got to realize, you know, I have to let you get bigger and let you get older. And when she was younger, she didn't really, she wasn't looking for that necessarily. She's a youngest child that is very loved by lots of people. But right around the quarter of I believe is coming the time where it's going to be even like, my, I got to let you grow up. It's not going to be enough.

Yeah. Oh, not all that. What you mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my youngest, the eight-year-old, like she's benefiting like a youngest, youngest would, is that the elders are clearing the path for all the, like, all the rule following and all the discipline

and all that you can't have this until then and you can't wear that until this. Like, yes, my oldest daughter is fighting those fights right now. And I already know, like, my youngest gets more exposed to the stuff. She's like, no, I want to wear this. Avery wears it and I'm just tired. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm just saying, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, you're going, you're going to have a, you're going to have a new chance to meet a new up-and-coming rapper. You know what I'm saying? Who that? You don't know yet. Oh, no, no. Hell no. They all got one.

They all got one. Every woman I've ever met who was on her peas and cues for whatever reason has had one utterly irredeemable and not just for a couple of days neither. Oh, man. Can we talk about football, man? I don't feel like we're stressed this point. Lucky for you, brother.

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