The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Jason Goff on Bears-Caleb Williams concerns, Lions expectations, Jayden Daniels year 2 | 09.03

Episode Date: September 3, 2025

Bomani Jones is joined by Jason Goff of The Ringer.  They discuss the concerns for Caleb Williams and the Chicago Bears heading into year 2, expectations for the Detroit Lions, whether Jayden Daniels can improve after his insane rookie season and much more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original. My name is Bobani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. It is that time of week where we have a guest join us.

Coming to us from the Ringer, from Chicago, Illinois. I just realized, man, the Ringer, boy, y'all. Y'all racking up the brothers these days, Jason Gough. I stopped and thought about it between Van and you and the homie Joel. Y'all got, you know, a black hater along with you two guys? Shout out to Joel. That pod is outstanding. Him and Take Frazier and Van Lathen doing college football stuff.

And he does the press box. But yeah, man, we corner in the market, you know. It's good over here. We have a good time, you know. We don't have to worry about people hovering over you. You can say what you want. It's a good time right now. Good time.

I haven't talked to Joel a little bit about this, but I actually think having Joel and Van do that podcast with Tate or not Tate is a bigger deal than people realize. Yes, sir. At my last job, I spent many years asking, hey, man, how can I get involved with the college football? And it became clear to me the people I was talking to didn't think it fit. Or my favorite was, I didn't know Bumani liked college football. You ever heard my voice? I'm from Texas.

Scott. Yeah, yeah. Like, why would you think I don't? But it's a thing that people have that for whatever reason, college football is seen as like this exclusive, like, fiefdom of southern white men. And that was not my experience when I went down to Atlanta for the first time to go work. That's what I'm saying. Yeah, you want to find yourself some true blue college football fans who like don't mess with people from the other side on some real turf war. shit. Yeah. Go go talk to people in New Orleans. Go talk to people in Atlanta. Go talk to people

in Houston. Go talk to people in the Carolinas. It's part of the DNA. It's part of the blood. We're from the same place. Right. Right. Well, it's two things. One, we from the same place. And two, for better or worse, this is just how it went, man. Integration decimated a lot of these black institutions. And so HBCU football now, like you go to Mississippi, for example, and black folks are still into HBCU football like it's 1963 because well a lot of things in Mississippi alike is 1963. I'll make the rules. I'm just telling you what it is. Right. But once you decimate hours, we still,

everybody want to love the crib. Everybody want to say they love the place they're from and the way you do, like, get involved in the place you from, or you wind up your cousin, go play and insert place here or whatever it is. But like, we're still there. And people absolutely 100% can I grasp the idea? So I give a shout to Bill on that one for having those two cats. And if you ever talked to Van Lathen about like,

Joe played college football, obviously, right? And then Van care about college football on another level. In a much different way. Yeah, he's an LSU dude, tried and true. You argue with him about that Joe Burrow-led team and he will tell you that's the greatest team ever, assemble.

You know, I saw those Miami squads back in the day. I saw Tommy Frazier and Loris Phillips and them cats back in the day. So it's like, it's harder for me. But, yeah, now, Van is very, and that's the thing. Bill, you know, you shoot an idea of Bill and you give them a concept and you prove that concept alone the way. You're going to let you rock out.

So, yeah, it's a good time over there. And I'm looking forward to every week hanging out with them. And shout out to you, too, by the way, because I just started tuning in because Spencer is terrific. But I just started tuning in his podcast. Yeah. And it's, it's his world, like, it's one of one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, no, man, it's a beautiful thing where you can dattle in a whole bunch of different spots. But yeah, man, shout out to the wrangor. I tell you this boy, y'all get y'all one more, I'm going to start calling y'all the ranger. You know what I'm saying? See, I wish I hadn't heard you say that. I wish I had to heard you say that. We start calling it the wrangor, and then if y'all get some old country white boys in there, we start calling it the Wrangler. See?

This is why. That's right. You'd be like, you know, the Wrangler. And your slogan is, we keep it tight. This, ladies gentlemen, we want to thank you for listening to the right time. Hey, listen, there's no more positive to be done. We're going to talk about southern whites, southern blacks. What, you know, the funny thing that I find, we're not funny, but the interesting thing

is that what segregation did to baseball and how, you know, the Negro leagues and how. how baseball was a staple of the community and how it took business away and, you know, integration of baseball took business away and how that didn't happen in the same way that it happened for college football, even though the ties that bind are so authentic and so thick. That's interesting. Yeah, right? Because you talk to, you talk to anybody, Bob Kendrick, anybody about what Negro League

baseball and what traveling and barnstorming baseball was as an economy. for the community what was culturally. I mean, you got people suited and booted in these little bandbox stadiums. And then all of a sudden, the integration of baseball kind of takes away from that, whereas with college football, it didn't really happen that way.

Well, the difference was they waited a lot longer to play football with us in a lot of these places. You know what I'm saying? Shout out to the Southwest Conference. And then when they did let us play football with them, you know what they kill? Baseball. They was like, hey, man, we got to, we got to, you gotta lease,

you gotta leave something for us, right? Because like, remind me, you're a little bit younger to me, but not much, right? Now, how do you know? I'm gonna be 45 in November. Okay, only, we're the same age. Right, right, because I just turned 45 last week. Yeah, okay.

Happy bladed, by the way. Likewise, happy future, you know what I'm saying? Right, right. What I can't explain to people is what a big deal, like, baseball is my first love of, anything. Like, you did not have to explain nobody being black and being into baseball in any capacity whatsoever, right? City, country, wherever you were. And you look at the cats who were playing baseball, right? Like the idea that Daryl Strawberry and Eric Davis come out of South Central,

right? Right. In that time period, Darry strawberry, number one picking a draft in 1980. So we, you know, we talk in late 70s, early 80s with those guys. And those guys are the athletes that would be like Dominique talks about this all the time. That he, underestimated the athleticism of baseball players. And then he got cool with Adam Jones, not Pac-Man, but baseball Adam Jones, and he hooped with him and was like, oh, okay, you're just like us. You just play baseball. If you remember Eric Davis, and I know, like, this is a guy that people of a certain age,

like this would be one that I would ask Ryan about, or Ryan would say that he didn't know who Eric Davis was. Beautiful player. Boy, Eric Davis was something, boy. Beautiful player. He uglyed it up with all that damn tobacco. Ain't nobody have more tobacco in their mouth. Eric Davis did.

Eric Davis was out here hitting 20 homers, stealing 80 bases, beat colon cancer, by the way. Eric Davis was that dude. But these days, they look at Eric Davis and be like, what you're going to be doing out here,

brother, is you're going to be backpedaling and covering. Go get you in that slot real quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry, baby. We play in spring football. We don't really have time

for you to be out here playing this baseball. You talk about the 80s for me. and Darrell Strawberry, obviously, but for me, seeing the Oakland athletics and thinking that this is what baseball is, right? You had Dave Stewart, who was a tough ass. Like, you talk about, like, first real, you talk about bulldog pitches all you want.

Dave Stewart seemed like he was going to strike you out and then beat your ass after if you had something to say about it. Right. And then, Ricky Henderson, man. Like, there are a few baseball players who, if you didn't get a chance, to see this person, you were excited to show them for the first time what he actually was. And even, you know, other guy like Tony Phillips and baseball was, baseball was a part of my

reckoning as a kid where it's like, all right, during the summer, I could run around all the day long, but I can come in and watch the greatest right-hand hitter of my generation play right in the backyard in Frank Thomas. So the fact that, you know, you've got the situation now where, you know, the Cubs are allowing certain people on the field that might not need to be on the field and there are there's a dirt of of black baseball players that you can actually look at and say that's the like mooky betts too bad he's having the season he's having but mooky betts is an amazing baseball player and mooky bex isn't as known as he should be if anybody ever lets me make something on a 91 braves right or just the braves that run in general this is the part

that nobody talks about in this date and time okay left field right field Centerfield. Ron Gantt, Otis Nixon, David Justice. Third base, Terry Pendleton. The most underrated figure of that entire era of baseball.

MVP 91, MVP runner up in 1992, retire as fucking Jersey. This is not a franchise with enough history where you have to make the fucking Hall of Fame for us to retire your jersey, right? Is he Dale Murphy to Atlanta?

not exactly. However, Dale Murphy, well, Dale Murphy's jersey's retired because he won an MVP back-to-back years. Terry Pendleton was a one-two finish and was the person that legitimized that baseball team into becoming what it ultimately became, right? But anyway, we got him. Raphael Belliard platooning at shortstop. You had Black Brian Hunter on first base in the platoon. All I'm saying is them team, that was a Hot Atlanta era team. And that team was really, really black. Like black people in Atlanta and around Atlanta, and I wasn't even living there at the time, but I knew enough to tell, we're around that team. Like, that gets lost because you think

about it as Glam and Smoltz, Chipper, Maddox comes in in 93, you know, and all of those things. Yeah, yeah, but no, no, no, no, no. The building of this was because it was one of the few things that whole city can get behind. The whole, one of the few things. It was amazing when I got down to Atlanta to start my show down there in 2014. It was such a big deal. You mentioned a black outfield. They had signed the Upton brothers and Jason Hayward was down there. And it was such a big deal because, you know, I was wondering why people, hey, you know, outside of Cobb County, the Braves can be cool again.

And I'm like, wait a minute, wait a minute. What's this about? Like, I needed the breakdown and people explained to me. And I always wonder, was it like a Washington, D.C. you know, our name team where the brothers and sisters kind of stepped back from that thing that in a way that I hadn't known about until you talked to people in D.C. about it. I don't know if that happens in Dallas, but there's always these interesting pockets of like, we love sports the same way everybody else loves sports, but certain times, it's like,

you know what, this team don't seem like it's false. Yeah, but some people, some people have been spitting in our faces. I mean, Maryland football will never be good still pay. for the sins of the racism of the past, right? One of the things that me and a hating-ass Joel have is I grew up rooting for Texas and Joel, Joel is of a family that could never do such a thing, right? But it's because they're from around there, right?

Like they're from Arkansas, like the historical legacy of racism of Texas, the University of Texas athletics, hits them in a way where me and somebody who moved in late, it don't quite go the same way. but if you were to ask my daddy about LSU, it took a long time before we could get on board. Nick Saban was the only reason that people wound up getting on board with LSU.

But no, Texas was paying for the sins and that racism for decades. It wasn't until the 21st century that they really overcame what they were known for. Like the reputation was, they understood that they was going to integrate and they hoped to be the last school to do it.

There was a conference full of people that wanted to be the last school to do it. And a lot of folks, hey man, ain't no, uh, ain't no letting that slide. I don't even know the particulars of it, but my daddy liked that about Penn State and Joe Paterno. I never bothered to get to the bottom of it.

But that's where he was. Yeah. No, it's interesting, man. And the grand point is we make a lot of things, if not everything, better, including more money and wins for you. So put that bullshit to the side. And let's get to it, though, man.

Chicago, same way. The Bears had a throwback or a alternate uniform. a couple of years ago that was under some scrutiny because a black player had never worn this uniform because at that time there were no black players you know it was a silent band but there were no black players on the Chicago Bears roster early on in the haless days and a couple people started to bring up like hey you go back and look at these uniforms some of these team photos and these going to be the first brothers in 2019 2020 2020 2021 who have ever worn this uniform so it's um it's weird and it's

It continues to be weird and don't get it twisted. There are a lot of teams that still abide by some of those rules. They just do it in a different way. I don't know how we wound up getting here. However, we did, but I want to stick with the Chicago Bears. Yeah. Right? The NFC North is going to be, at least for right now,

it's the most interesting division in the NFL right now. Like, I have to say, this is a really interesting NFL season coming into it. Um, we have maybe the best coached division of all time in the AFC West. Jim Harbaugh and Pete Carroll do not forget they don't like each other. We have that. Yeah. Sean Payton and Andy Reed, right? Like, we have three coaches that have won Super Bowls and Jim Harbaugh.

Stop and think about that for a second, right? So that's crazy. Wow. Now that you break it down and also you got guys who. still are doing it at a high level. Like normally you get cats who are on the other end or in that vacation tour where it's like, ah, it's the last stop. He's still dudes doing it at the high level.

The NFC North part, dude, I don't know that I've, since the NFC Central as a kid, this was a division that had Warren sat Barry Sanders, Randy Moss, Brett Farve in it at the same time, right, running around and teams were good, teams were bad, but it was always interesting. And then there was that belays. Derek Brooks, right? Exactly. Old Tampa Bay teams were far. fire. And then you get to the point where Green Bay has a run of, okay, Brett Farv is a quarterback.

Then Aaron Rogers is the quarterback. So you got 25 years of contention. Minnesota was always cool. And don't, don't forget, they go from, what was it, Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Jeff George, all them dudes, Dante Cole Pepper. It was always an interesting division. This division this year, there's so much intrigue because of the quarterback positions and the coaches, like you mentioned, like Matt LaFleur is that dude, right? Like, Dan Campbell has become that dude. And of course, Ben Johnson is the wonderkin, and you take a look at what Kevin O'Connell was doing in Minnesota. He made Sam Donald what a 13, 14 game win the last year.

So it's a crazy place the division finds itself in. And the Bears are going to be in the mix, but I'm not as enthused as everybody else is about this roster. Okay. So last year, I think people got a little over-day skis about how advantageous a situation Caleb Williams was in because of the weapons on the outside, ignoring that it was football and football starts on the inside. And they didn't have anybody, they didn't have anybody to block for a guy who does not play on time. That's not his game, right? Like, he gets back there

and he makes it happen. You watched a lot more of him than I did. I didn't think he was as bad as advertised. I thought he looked like a rookie quarterback. And I do think that the ability to got to bring guys in the league now with like the RPO games and stuff like. that we don't we don't see the hard knot rookie years that we used to and i don't know what to make a hard not rookie years anymore like josh allen i thought had two hard not years coming in and then he eventually got it right but i don't even know what to make of a good year to start because we've seen i mean robert griffin had the knee injury to go with it but we've seen the examples of the guys who started like mac jones becomes an example we're going to watch what happens with bow nicks

where a guy can start off pretty good and then that not wind up being the jam baker mayfield was another guy that was in that situation. But now I feel like Caleb Williams' situation is so bad, not because the team is bad necessarily, but the pressure around him has completely changed. They are absolutely the worst team in that division. I don't think Caleb Williams could go out there and play like Jayton Daniels did last year.

And I think they're still probably the worst team in the division. On top of that, Big Brain Ben has come in, right? Ben Johnson was the offensive coordinator for the Detroit Lions. And please understand, he do got a big brain. Like, I don't want to act like he's not a very good coordinator. Like, he doesn't appear to be a very smart dude. But it does appear that rather than cooking a system up to fit the quarterback, he seems to be asking the quarterback to fit the system,

which seems to me to be a recipe for disaster. I talked to Courtney Cronin about this on my pod last night. And it's interesting how we treat people that we are supposed to like. right like if somebody does that and you don't like them or you don't think highly i was like oh what is this guy doing but if they do do it's like well you got to this is why they hired him you got to play it to his system last year and she stated this to me and we talked about this last year kaila williams was drowning a lot more than people realize more so than ricky quarterbacks usually have to because one two coaches got fired during the year and also like he stopped being

himself a little bit right there was a there was a mention of of the fingernail polish. And midway through the season, he stopped doing that. Really? He stopped doing that midway through the season. And if you know the story behind it for all the tough guys out, oh, kids out there. His mom is a nail tech, right?

So he's been around his business his entire life, right? And throughout the season, as things started to get tough, he started to notice like, you know what? Maybe this ain't the attention. And maybe I also am in a locker room where, You got a whole bunch of old cats who are looking at you. And you've been around it, Bo, you talk to these dudes. It's hard for a rookie quarterback to come in in a stable locker room to leave 30, 35 years old.

You know what he did, man. It happens all the time. Cats go to court and it's the dreadlocks fault. You know what I'm saying? No, I ain't. I can't rock. I can't. I would agree.

Well, I do agree. Yeah, they get in there with the African McGowanians. You know what I'm saying? You know, like, like, like, I remember the week before. Is everyone a goal for the fall? Week before Michael Vick got arrested, he had Bray. You know what I'm saying? He showed up in court.

I'm like, damn, how you get your ways back so fast? Be calling. I'm going to. Like, like, all that means. But it's a thing, right? He's like, I need these cats to follow me. It doesn't matter if they're being ridiculous right now. I don't need to.

I don't need to make this part of myself. that it has to be, but I'm disappointed for his own sake. Then he had to do that. I am. I am. He had to. He had a locker room full of cats to look at him sideways. And also, man, he had a substitute teacher as his head coach, right?

Like, he had the dude who might buy a little weed off of one of the kids as his head coach. You know what I mean? You know the sub where it's like, hey, man, I smell how you coming in here. After class, you know, link up with me. I ain't going to be here long, right? Like that stuff. You straight? No, you smoke at Reggie.

You're going to get a. This dude got fired. The first time the Bears history, a coach gets fired in the middle of the season. It speaks to how they haven't evaluated talent properly over the years. There's a bunch of cats probably should have got fired. So he's been in the mix. And this whole time took 68 sacks, getting his ass whooped. And also had players doing a lot of shady body language stuff to him that have been drafted over now.

Right? Bears go out there and go get Luther Burden. Bears go out there and go get Colston Loveland. I would have you look at those two rooms and tied in and Y receiver and see who was doing the shrugging and the shirking and the talking crazy publicly about this dude. And the Ben Johnson part, Ben come in here like, yo, I watch the tape. All of y'all suck. So we're going to find out who can do what I need them to do. And he wouldn't have come there if Caleb Williams wasn't a quarterback. It's a weird year. Ryan Poles got extended, and he's 15 and 36 as a GM. So it's the Chicago way of just saying, here goes some bread,

and hopefully it'll work out in the end. I'm looking forward to seeing how the layers of the onion get peeled back and the excuses go away. Because you go out and get Joe Tooney, you go out and get Drew Domi. You go out and get Jonah Jackson, like you make sure the interior of that line is what it's supposed to be. Grady Jared just got here at 17 minutes. ago and he is now a team captain. It speaks to the mismanagement of what was supposed to be,

hey, we got the number one pick and now you take off from here. I think it's a personal study going forward in just because you get the number one pick, just because you get that transcendent generational quarterback, whatever you want to call them, you could still end up being the Jags with Trevor Lawrence looking around like, hey, when are we going to start having this conversation? I think Caleb Williams, a year from now, when it's time to start talking about paying him, hopefully he's not in that mix. But yeah, man, it's interesting to say the least. But what I find interesting about it, at least for him, is the fact that it's year two,

and we're making it, this is where the black quarterback thing still is a thing, right? Is when the clock starts on you. And to be fair, the bears let the clock wind a while on Justin Fields, right? So I don't want to pretend as though what we're talking about are like straight line absolutes, which is weird, by the way, because I think the promise of Caleb Williams is great. than the promise truly ever was with Fields. Fields is a better athlete, but in terms of like watching the two of them in college,

I think that Williams is probably the better quarterback, right? But at the same time, it's year two. He came out after three years of college. And we're like, if he can't get on board with this guy that's never been a head coach before, then I think he's cooked. You know what I mean? Like there's an element of that that I think is a little bit crazy.

But the other part is you knew what this dude was when you drafted him. And so you have to build around what he is. What I will always give the Arizona Cardinals credit for is that once they decided they were taking Kyle of Murray, they did not try to turn Kyle of Murray into Johnny Unites, right? They had, you know, he was the quarterback that fit the coach that they wanted to hire and could do the things. And they tried to do the things.

You can talk about how well it worked or it didn't work, but they did not try to make that guy into somebody that he is not. I don't think that you can turn Caleb Williams, especially not somebody with the confidence that this dude had coming out of school. And I don't know what that confidence is as it stands. But you can't, you're either going to work with him as the type of quarterback that he is or he's not, right? Like you need to coach around him, for example,

like you did with Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson's not a guy that played on time. Russell Wilson made eight, nine pro bowls being Russell Wilson. That's the way you got to do it. Yeah. The issue is Russell Wilson had all that around him too. I think asking Caleb Williams to be himself is not the problem. I think what the problem is is saving him from himself,

understanding that these ain't the dudes you used to play against. And in the end, asking Caleb to be himself four or five times a game, as opposed to 10 to 12 times a game, is going to be the difference between him looking like he's supposed to look. It sounds crazy, but Ben Johnson came here to make Caleb Williams, a little bit more Jared Goff in terms of, hey, when that thing ain't there, take the cheese, man, take the free money,

go check it down, we'll work our way down the field, and when everything breaks down, or if we're in the two-minute drive, or if this is a, come from behind victory opportunity, then you turn into Superman, and that's tough. Like, I always liking it to NBA talented, like super talented, you're supposed to be the dude rookies, where it's like, hey, man,

I'm out here trying to prove this shit, not only to the league, but to my teammates and to myself. And you reach that point where it's like, all right, I've proven this. Now let's get to the more efficient game. And the NFL seems like with these quarterbacks, these dudes are trying to prove it to everybody also while being told, hey, be more efficient immediately. And the guys like Anthony Richardson, guys who come out and be like, yo, how do you not make that work or how does this not translate?

And professionalism and all these other things, that's cool. If cats out there, listen, shout out to Cam Newton. But when I was in Atlanta and Cam was a Carolina Panther, we called it Cam Tuesdays. Because you understood that that was the man and you might see him in Atlanta, even though he don't play in Atlanta, right? He was the dude. You ain't going to tell me about what a dude can and can't do if he's producing at such a high level. Now, if Caleb gets to the point where he's producing at a high level, then yeah, maybe all the stuff will come back. I want him to be himself anyway because in the end, if you're going to fail, fail being yourself.

That's how I see it. That's what we tell each other like, yo, don't be anybody else. The problem is being himself might get him killed out there sometimes. Or we might not find out, okay, he strung these two, three, four games together and now the confidence can grow not only in the fan base, but in the people around him. Like, there's a lot of pressure on that dude's shoulders, but this is what happens when you are a bona fide superstar before you ever play a game. Like, they had him in the NFL Sunday night promo week one, where they had the brick of quarterbacks behind the Sunday night,

but they had him as one of the dudes. And I'm like, it's a lot. And I told Chicago cats, like, we're not used to this, right? Shane Matthews don't get invited to the Met Gallo. Okay? You know what I'm saying? Like, Jim McMahon ain't out here running around going to Paris Fashion Week. He is not only ours, but he's everybody.

So you're going to have to understand that to let him get his shit off, you got to let him get his shit off, if that makes it sense. Well, so I'll make this point before we go to the break. I was talking to somebody about the Cowboys doc, and it said very briefly a very important part of that San Francisco 49 story, which was the transition from Joe Montana to Steve Young, which was not a peaceful transition. It came with a lot of levels to.

it, right? But what people didn't realize was they went and got Steve Young. I want to say it was in 1987 after Montana got his back hurt. And the expectation was that Montana was not going to be able to hold up. The other part that's very important in it is Bill Walsh firmly believed that Joe Montana was replaceable. And he believed as long as you do what this offense says to do. an offense, by the way, that doesn't have audibles. Everything you need is built into the play in the eyes of those West Coast guys, right, particularly the Walsh player. And so the idea of moving on for Joe Montana for him was nothing because he's like,

what Joe Montana did was what I told him to do. And then if everything broke down, he'd scamper for a little bit. And so he's like, if I can just teach Steve Young to do everything I tell him to do, and then at that time, he's probably the best athlete at quarterback in the NFL, then imagine what that could be. And then Montana just kept being, man, get off me, dog. Get off me, dog, right? Like, he kept doing that.

And then Montana, I think, hurt his elbow. I forget when is the back, what his elbow. But anyway, that's when Steve Young wound up getting the job. But the point I'm making is a lot of coaches, and Ben Johnson seems to fit this idea, just believe all you need to do is what I say, right? And all these guys, the Shanahan-McVey sort of school of quarterback of coaching that believes that I just need a quarterback to do what I told you to do. Now, McVeigh ran out of road on that one with Jerry golf.

Yes, he did. I was going to say, I got to go get a dude, right? And then he went and got a dude, right? And they won it that one year. And that's another story for this year. That dude and his bad back. And, you know, what's going to wind up happening with Stafford? But I say all that to say, I don't know if hiring the coach who believes his system

trumps all. was the right move for a player with the kind of flexibility in what he does as Williams is. The key to me, though, is you just got to keep his head in the game because I do firmly believe the more that I watch football, the more I realize what's important for quarterbacks, whatever the reason is, is the ability to see to throw and make the throw. The shortest distance between see to throw and make the throw, and then, of course, make it once you've done it. But, you know, connect on it.

But that time difference is all the world's difference in the world. That's why James Winston can look great when he doesn't look terrible because no matter what, that boy decisive. You get that ball out of there, bro. Conviction, conviction, right? It catches all the time. Talk about the pitch that I want is never going to be greater than the pitch you want to throw. So if you think that this fastball ain't going to get rocked, I know it's going to get rocked.

But shit, throw that bitch. And that's exactly how you're supposed to go at it, man, conviction. Because in the end, you're going to go down in a blaze of glory either way. Might as well. And also, don't sleep on how much of a PR move the Ben Johnson hire was as well. I don't know in the time that I've been a Chicago Bears fan if the Bears have ever done something where it's like, man, we all want you to do this. But you're going to draft Shady McClellan, right? This is Ben Johnson and we are looking at like, nah, that don't happen to the Bears.

And it happened. So it's a PR move too. We're going to see, man, because Big Brain Ben. James, I know. I know. He's good. He's good. He's good. He's good.

There's no question that he's good, right? I loved it when we was out here throwing laterals to the offensive linemen. You know what I'm saying? I loved every minute of that. I know. But then when he had the worst decision maker in the whole state of Michigan, the one who is, the one, hold up. And this is the part I don't never talk about.

The one who had just started humping the ground after he scored that touchdown. Can you imagine, look, man, football players love each other. because let me tell you something, man. I ain't about to bear hug you while you humping the ground, but that's what the homies had to do to say it in 15 yards. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's going to be stapled to his resume until something else happens. Yeah, right after right after the placing bets from the facility.

Yeah. You remember that? You know, you got to have your players be able to do all things. Maybe it was for Amman Ross St. Brown. And, you know, he just went with Jameson on that one, man. I don't know what to tell you, but, you know, welcome to Chicago. They're going to bear football, man. Yeah, well, we're going to talk a little bit more about more NFC North and NFL with Jason

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They lost Aaron Glenn, who's going to be the head coach of the New York Jets, H-Tine, wishing him the best up here with that squad. although they steal the Jets, brother. Just letting you know that right now, partner. Like that... Nothing good is going to happen to you. Yeah, look, man, you can't turn down the opportunity when it comes, man. But this is...

You know what it is? There's a difference between an opportunity and a chance. Right? Break it down. Break it down. He got a chance, right? Sometimes you got a good chance. Sometimes you got a not great chance.

Sometimes the chance is a slim. An opportunity is an opportunity. A chance. Chance is on a spectrum. And coaching the Jets, you got a chance. That's it. You got a chance to be a head coach. You know, you got a chance to brush up on your, you know, your press conference skills.

You got a shot. You got a shot, right? You got a couple of, you know, come from behind wins that may happen because you're not supposed to have a chance. Yes. Aaron Glenn is one of those. Aaron Glenn, one of my favorite football car guys, too, by the way. Every time I opened up a pack of upper deck of Fleer,

I had good old number 31 wearing that Jet's Green running around. So shout out to Aaron Glenn. And good facial hair guy too, right? Keeps itself well maintained. I just, you know, we're going to look back after this run and it's going to look like presidents aging. You know what I mean? We're going to look at him.

Let me tell you what Aaron Glenn also appears to be to me. Aaron Glenn, and we talk a lot about how you don't need to try your pops, but he's especially the pops you don't need to try. This man's what, like a 5 foot 9, 5 foot 10 football player. He clearly was throwing up more weight than he did. When he was in the NFL, he is prepared, okay? Prepared. Yeah, now always ready, you know what I mean?

The kind of cat, like Aaron Glenn looks like one of them dudes who walk up to you and the cool things put you on alert, right? Yeah. Okay, I know who I, you know, hey, what's going? Hey, can't call it. I might spoil it. Like, that kind of guy, you know what I mean? Like, okay, he's being nice.

because he can and will break you down to your lowest common denominator. I wish that we had more cool phrases because he's a little bit older than us, but I wish that we had more cool phrases in our vernacular from that time period because he absolutely like somebody that was going on. Oh, man, ain't nothing, Daddy. Yo, what's happening with you? That's it. That's it.

He looked like he got a bunch of those in it. Put you on notice to, hey, this can be a good interaction. I'm a cool guy, but I also come from a place where interaction sometimes switch up in the middle of Yeah, like, look, man, you see this stone cold fox right here that's with me, brother, man, we just out here trying to have a nice time at dinner. But here you all be here making all this noise, you dig? So I'm going to need you to quiet down before, with all due respect, I come shut your ass up. You feel me?

Hey, you just made me think of a moment where I was at dinner probably a few years ago when I first met my wife. And somebody was getting loud at the table next to us. And old brother had the dive hat on. He was looking fresh, you know, had his gaiters. This man leaned over and was like, hey, man, why would we mess around and make all these noise in front of these legs when we can just go make some noise outside? And I looked at the person who he was talking to and I was like, hey, aboard mission gang. Abort mission.

This is not a man who said anything about going to the trunk. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Please drop that line again. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, he looked over, he said, why will we make all this noise in front of these ladies like this? When we can just go outside and make some noise on all.

And I was like, oh, okay. Because he, this implies that there's going to be noises coming from outside. We just don't need to upset the women folk about this, right? Oh, my God. And that's when I was like, hey, man, send him whatever he want from me. You know what I mean? This is how you make friends in Chicago telling you. I don't want no problem.

Then come to find out, you know, because, you know, because, you know, custodial arts young man you know what i mean oh yeah old o g they don't want no problems you know what i'm on my second strike i need to i need to i need to chill you know what i mean we need more old cats like that but now you can't really talk to the young boys the way you want to because the young boys will get out of line yeah we're in that o g unc era you're right you're right that is an amazing thing i know he didn't raise his voice even at this bit when he said that it was a quiet place We were in a place that doesn't have noise, okay? We were at like no boo where things are crashing and everybody want to be,

no, no, no. We were at a sit down, you know what I mean, black napkins, bye. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, let's stop making this noise. I don't want the ladies to be upset by what's about to happen right here. You know, like when a man leads over and looks at you and goes, I know what's going to happen to you. I just don't want the car ride back home to be too shaked. Because the thing is because what's going to happen to you is not going to stop me from completing my meal.

No, at all. Right? Like, I'm going to do this thing with you. Yeah. They're going to come fold you up and I'm going to sit back down. And I'm like, so what are going to say? Yeah, yeah. I didn't already exiled the bail money to my life.

Right? Like, maybe they're going to be here in a couple of minutes. When they come, be cool, it's fine. It ain't going to take long. Just call this number. Call this mate. Give me my lamb chops to go. You know what to do.

He knows what to do. But with the Lions, this is where I'm torn on the Lions. I think the part that we're forgetting about is the reason that Washington beat them is they ran out of players. Like they just kept going down guys, kept going down, kept going down. Jerry Golf also did not have a great game. But the real issue was they were depleted by injuries.

The question is whether or not they're going to be a team that is similar to the 49ers where you have to ask, like, are you down on injuries because of something y'all be doing like every year like is this going to be a thing because this is a crazy physical team and you know and with the mentality they got and the head coach they got that's the only question I have because they were down 20-something dudes on IR or something like that to a point last year Hutchinson's going to be back you presume it at a lot of these other you know a lot of these other cats are going to be back they have so much talent top to bottom on that team but

this is kind of the second year of their window they went to the NFC championship game last year they were the best team in the NFC, though I think if they had had to play the Eagles, it probably wouldn't have gone the way that they wanted it to. But I don't know what exactly to make. They're down the two coordinators. Like, there's been so many changes. But I do believe that as much as the coordinator thing mattered, nothing matters more than the dude they got in charge, which you never could have convinced me I would have been saying like 10 years ago. Right. Dan Campbell went from interim coach who was the tight ends coach who were like, Oh, look at this meathead.

To look at this dude rallying the troops in a way that, yeah, you got some talented Catholic. Let's not get it twisted. Amon Ross St. Brown is a fourth round pick, right? Penae Sewell is one of the best players in all of sports, not just football, right? So that's blue chip stuff right there. Noah Sewell, his brother, plays for the bear, is actually a pretty good linebacker as well. But he's got David Montgomery.

This is an Iowa State cyclone running back who people thought in this city. he's been ground to the nubs. He ain't going to get much out of him from there on. This dude put something in crazy people, known as football players, that takes them to another level. What you mention is so important, though. When you get to the end of the season, after all the trick plays have been run,

after you didn't beat the hell out of everybody and in the process beat the hell out of yourselves, what do you have to rely on? And I think the Aidan Hutchinson thing is paramount. Like the fact that that dude did, I think him as a run defender is discounted in a way that a lot of pass rushes, you know, always, you know, he gets sacks, but can he, can he hold the edge? Ain't Hutchinson's a damn good run defender. They got, they got some cats who, in Jemir Gibbs, like, there's so much, there's so much stardom and like, oh, he's going to get 20 touchdowns every year now. Like, they're not going to surprise anybody anymore, right?

the Detroit Lions are here. And it sounds weird to say that. I'm looking forward to seeing how they come back from all those coaching departures. Like they lost Antoine Randall at least, lost Ben Johnson, lost Aaron Glenn. They lost a lot of people. But that dude at the top, he puts up, man, he makes you feel like you can run through a wall. And then you run through that wall. It's just by week 16.

You're like, damn, I ran through about four or five of them bitches. You know what I'm saying? Like, how many walls are going to run through? Like, when is the Super Bowl, right? And, right? You know what I mean? The commanders up and called them and had people thinking they can mess around and go to the Super Bowl. And the Eagles is like, now get that shit up out of here.

Hey, hey, let me tell you, man. The lions, it probably felt good in the moment. But the lions being so injured might have done a disservice to the commandos. Because the way we talk about what is possible with them would have been tempered a little bit differently. if they had not won that game. And my thing with Jane Daniels is, let's see. Right. Right.

Like, I think we saw enough to see in year one that he will be a very good quarterback, right? That doesn't mean he will be very good in year two. Like, we see this happen with quarterbacks all the time, right? It's a, it's not a, it's not like a running back, a running guy going to be here and then it's going to go here and then one day it's going to go like that. Right. But just about every other position in the NFL. you can look at the numbers, you can look at the production, and the numbers are going to tell you how good that player was.

Quarterback is a little weird. It doesn't quite work that way. And so winning that game against the depleted Detroit Lions that woulda wax that ass and they'd have had all their players. You know what I'm saying? Well, the linear growth that you expect just because of sports, right? The problem is with that position, that growth is happening.

in a nurturing environment. Look at C.J. Strau. C.J. Stroud lost lineman. He lost Nico Collins full up. He lost wide receivers. He lost tight end. And you're like, what happened? C.J. Straub might have had as good a season

as he had in his rookie year. But numbers-wise, it didn't feel that way. And wins-wise, it didn't feel that way because we just think, oh, you killed last year. You're supposed to kill this year. Well, he killed last year because he was a rookie quarterback

with everything going right around him, right? I don't care what you want to say. Terry McLoren signed a deal after saying, hey, y'all, I'm the best thing smoking out here. You go into a season, like, all right, I got to do this all over again. Debo Samuel, they made so much fun of that man and his cakes running around in the highlights, right, that he came in the training camp, slim and trim. Like, there's a lot.

The commanders ain't sneaking up on anybody anymore. And then, you know, Jaden and his offseason and people talking about the mom and your stuff. Like, this, all eyes on you, fam. I don't know that the commanders are going to be what they were last year. They might be, he might be a better player. Hell, they might be a better team. I wouldn't be surprised if they take a step back to a couple of wins, especially with the strict of schedule that they got this year as opposed to last year.

I just want to make this point about Debo Samuel very quickly. Debo Samuel has made the Pro Bowl one time and that was four years ago. Yeah. I'm just like. Took a running back beat his entire career. And then that's number two, right? Like you can't, like the same thing to have with Cam Newton as a quarterback. You had to look at his aging arc, like a running back's aging art.

Now, Debo didn't take nearly as many carries, but I'm just saying that like we, we a little more hyped up over him than his actual production. See, his rock tree though, Bo. His rock tree is carries. His rock tree is zero, one, and two. Ain't no sluggos. Ain't no deep outs. What we're talking about.

Hey, you're about to catch this ball where the nickel corner. is breathing on you and that lineback is about to take your head off. Okay, enjoy this six, seven yards. You might break one. And when you break one, we're going to be, hey, but those other three or four catches that you get that are essentially carried, like, that short passing game is not for the week. Okay.

Can you imagine if you looked at Marvin, well, the name that won't be spoken on this pod, and Reggie Wayne and them boys back then and said, hey, we're doing nothing but zero routes, smoke routes. enjoy yourselves. What? You saw that New England playoff, those New England playoff games, and the boys was like,

give me a pillow. I'm about to lay right. I am not paid to take hits. Now, if you're a sly receiver, promise you, you're going to get that, quote unquote, bell rung at least two,

three times a game because of how close to the line of scrimmage you are. Debo Samuel been taking throw carries for his entire career, his entire career. And they lost Olamita Zakeas, who was a terrific part of that team, too. So, yeah,

the NFC is, Super weird. Like, I'm always in this, like, okay, you can't have a rematch in the Super Bowl, but Philly, right? And then who else? Like, what do we really talk? Like, the Rams, you see their odds for Super Bowl glory. Like, the NFC's got this weird Eastern Conference, early, late 90s NBA kind of vibe

tours, like somebody going to come out that thing, and they're going to have to go up against either Lamar, Josh, or Patrick Mahomes. But after Philly, I don't know who you really said. Who's the second best team or third best team in the NFC that you are sure about? The Detroit Lions. Man, we just did this. Them boys are still broken up from last year. You asked me if I was sure.

The Detroit Lions, right? But number three might be, because I got something that would hit you right quick. Because I know we got to get you out of here. For sure. But I'm going to just say right quickly. I saw something where the books, one of the sports books, has the Vikings over under on Wednesdays this year at eight and a half. That to me is a canary in the coal mine.

And they won a lot of close games last year, a lot of close games last year. They're throwing a rookie quarterback out there. And we're going to see, as good as they were on defense schematically, we're going to see how everybody else has maybe caught up to that with them. But like, I think they're not good. I think they should be better than the Bears, but I think they are closer to the Bears than they are to the Lions and the, the, the Green Bay Packers that got Michael Parsons.

And I want to take a moment right fast because I may reference to Michael Parsons be an off ball linebacker. And I remember watching him as a rookie being an off ball linebacker thinking that was pretty good. And then the comments on YouTube told me I was crazy. And then I looked a little bit more up. And I'm like, oops, my bad. The Michael Parsons thing is going to be interesting to watch because they got two monster pass rushes, right? They got Gary on one side. They're going to have him.

But teams are absolutely going to run on Michael Parsons a lot. That's what they are going to do. But they also have a quarterback who could take leap. Like, I'm in on him. I understand that it's a trick-or-tree situation with Jordan Love, but I feel like the Josh Allen realm is possible with him, right? And the reason I say that is he is starting from a higher place than Josh Allen did. Like, where Josh Allen was and where Josh Allen got to,

we cannot, like, I crossed my fingers on Anthony Richardson thinking something like that was possible and you see how that has worked out so far. But Jordan Love had a much higher floor than I think you had with Allen. and very similar physical characteristics, physical traits and all of that stuff. And, you know, Allen started playing younger, but once Love got on the field, it took a little while to get up to speed,

but he was looking like a guy in that class of player, right? This could be the year with that guy, and they even went and took a wide receiver in the first round, right? And they had to, and looking at it now with the injury situation at a wide receiver room, they had to because, you know, Christian Watson is a terrific player, but he's going to miss five or six games, right? You know, you got Dobbs, you got Jaden Reed. They got some guys out there, but all of them have been banged up, this training camp.

You mentioned a Michael Parsons thing. Man, listen, you could run at them all you want, right? I love, I think Xavier McKinney is the best defensive player that nobody talks about in the league. They got a lot of talent, and they have to win in this next two years. They have to because the money that they're paying out, you mentioned Rishon Garrett. who, by the way, one of them cats, like the Rudy gay vibes where it's like, you know how cold he is in college, but he don't really have to do it. And then you get to the league like, oh, this is what college was holding back.

Like, he was in Michigan, but he was like one of the, if I'm not mistaken, he was like, top, yeah, he was number one. And every, every week was like, all right, here come, he's going to be a game record. And every week it was kind of like flash here and there. Pressures. Lots of pressures. Almost sex. You know what I mean? And now he is one of the better edge players in the game.

Green Bay's got that, got that whip. It's just like you mentioned, you know, Jordan Love does have a little bit of Rathlisberger to his game. Got a little double agent. Got a little double agent to him. A little far. A little far. You know what you got in that, that computer assistance.

He got that, he got that. He's going to keep this close. He's going to keep this close. Tap that Y button on accident. And you sit there like, Damn, I hit the X button. No, no. You know what I'm talking about when you look down to the control, like, oh, this is an Xbox.

My bad. I keep doing this. Joy and Love. And sometimes it happens in the playoffs. That's the problem. It happened to. Joint Love went on a streak of like five games. I thought it interception.

He gets into the playoffs. He's like, X again. X again. We're going to get this X button rocking unless y'all make it change. Oh, wait a minute. Game is over. Three turnovers later. Hey, man.

They call them Jay Low and Jay No. All I know is as a fan of the Chicago Bears, it is far for me to be making fun of anybody's quarterback situation. And the Minnesota thing you mentioned, Johnson Jefferson, that lower leg injury, that low, that hamstring situation that he got going on. It's going to be the battle of the two hurt dudes on Monday night football. Jalen Johnson and Justin Jefferson,

both of them are going to be on pitch counts because both of them got, you know, a groin and hamstring injury. So the end of the end of the end of the same. is intriguing across the board. I'm looking forward to. I'm glad we can stop watching and thinking about preseason and training camping

and get to some actual football, man. No, man, we about to get to some games. The Cowboys are going to be there on Thursday night against the Eagles. It'll be so funny if the Cowboys win that game. They're going to. You know they're going to. You know that this is...

I never know they're going to win. This is what's going to happen. They're going to win that game, right? Derron Blan going to make a play. That's right. And you, No, Jay, Joe, hey, Jay, going to be sitting there at the podium in the third quarter like, hey, where my camera at? Let me tell, let me tell Michael Parsons about what we don't need over here.

Well, let me tell you this, though. The Eagles might need to be glad that Michael Parsons ain't going to be there. Now, granted, he's on the outside and the Eagles tackle game is strong, but Mackay Beckton's not going to be on that line. Landon Dickerson, apparently is hurt. Like, this is not the same exact team that they had. It is unreasonable to expect Seyquan Barkley at his age. and the workload that he has taken to be as good this year as he was last year, for example. This, they are loaded.

Like, there's no need to discuss, they probably have the most talented roster in the NFL. But it ain't the same roster that they had last year. And I'm really curious to see what the margins are at the tippy top. Because look, the Rams gave them a game last year. Yeah. And on top of it, when those things, when that formula is in the pot and you're looking at the chef and you go, oh, we're missing this ingredient, we're missing that ingredient.

You'd like for your chef to be Michelin Star-rated. You tell me, if you think, he's not. He's not. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. That is the thing about this, man. I sent a tweet last year, early in the year. I think it's when he got into it with the fans, and I'm like, they just waiting to do the inevitable,

and they still won the championship. But my opinion of this man has not changed. That's the thing I think that's whole. they're so loaded that I don't think very highly of their head coach. I don't think but so highly of their quarterback. But I will say for the quarterback, he does all the quarterback things with the finger quotes that are very important. And with the head coach,

he's brash in the way where he will let his, like, unleash the talent that they wind up having and maybe not try to cook, you know, cook everything up. But there's a, there's a range. of how this situation might go over there. Mess around, mess around and go 10 and 7 and your security guard being one of the more important people in your organization and see how that play.

See how that play. 10 and 7, I get him out of there. See a big dog to save you your gig. Yeah, man. The Eagles are going to be a fun story to watch. And also, you know, the banner night, they're not going to be outside for it. Like, they all focused.

All I need, all I need is to go back to the, week of the playoffs where your number one wide receiver was like the passing game is the problem. Yo, that did happen. It is amazing to look back and realize that that team won a championship. Real Barry Switzer-led vibes around that thing. All the stuff that we say is important, right? All the things that we say are important. Got to have a passing game these days.

Got to have that kind of quarterback. Got to have a head coach that everybody believes in. All of that stuff. They were like, no, what you need is a bunch of dudes for me. Georgia. That's what you need and a bunch of big offensive linemen. That's it. It's a simple game that is made complex by fools. That's the other thing that the old black homie said to the dude he was going to go scrap outside of the restaurant. Yeah, man. Shout out to the Eagles. Shout out to all your Eagles fans. But it is never fun at the top until you get back to the top. And the NFL

is hard to stay at the top. I look forward to seeing what's going to happen. the NFC especially because, you know, the bears look and smell like an eight-win, seven-win team. Well, you should be happy about that. No, for sure, for sure, man. You know, we build him. You know, it's like a HUD home. That is Jason Goff. Check him out at the Rangor.

My brother, I appreciate you. Always, hey, hey, Bo, it's always a treat with two players meet. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I appreciate that big dog. You know what I'm saying? Like, people just don't understand, man.

Just a couple cats try to play it easy. You know, what I'm talking about, Big Dog? That's it. You know, we out here just keeping the main thing and the main thing, you feel me? That's it, brother. Shout out to Ryan Brumley, too. Yes, yeah, yes, sir.

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