The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Jason Goff on Ben Johnson, Caleb Williams, and Why Media Training is Making Athletes Boring | 1.31

Episode Date: January 31, 2025

On today’s episode, Jason Goff of The Ringer & Chicago Sports Network joins Bomani Jones to talk about Chicago sports. The show starts with Jason saying how he had to leave the Foxworth Live show in New York City to race home for the birth of his child and then a brief discussion on men's fashion. (1:52) Next, they move onto the Chicago Bears who have hired Ben Johnson, and is actively trying to bring most of the Detroit Lions staff to Chicago. (8:33) Bo and Jason say why it's a bad idea to move the Bears new stadium to the suburbs and if they see Caleb Williams turning into a Pro Bowl caliber QB. (14:58) They transition to discussing how coaching personalities lately have turned quite vanilla and with media training, athletes are afraid to do anything that messes up their lucrative brand deals. (30:15) The show rounds out with a funny story from Bomani about Manny Pacquiao and why the internet remains as nasty as ever! (52:06) . . . Subscribe to The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Spotify, Apple or wherever you get your podcasts and follow the show on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik Tok for all the best moments from the show. Download Full Podcast Here: Spotify:  https://open.spotify.com/show/6N7fDvgNz2EPDIOm49aj7M?si=FCb5EzTyTYuIy9-fWs4rQA&nd=1&utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Apple:  https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-right-time-with-bomani-jones/id982639043?utm_source=hoobe&utm_medium=social Follow The Right Time with Bomani Jones on Social Media:  http://lnk.to/therighttime Subscribe to Supercast for Ad-Free Episodes: https://righttime.supercast.com/ Support the Show:  PrizePicks: Daily Fantasy Made Easy! Visit PrizePicks.com/BOMANI and use code BOMANI for a first deposit match up to $100! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a Wave Sports and Entertainment original presented by prize picks. My name is Beaumani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater.

It is Jason Golf Friday. Jason Golf of the Ringo. What's going on, man? What's happening, man? Wait a minute now. Fox Word Friday is submitted in the Bomani slash podcast. Highass Hall of Fame. So I feel, you know, it's kind of like Jake Plummer following up a legend here. I don't want no problems out here, okay? I feel you. I feel it's even worse than Jake Plummer.

That would make you Bubby Bristler. Not Bobby Bristair. It was Brian Greasy. Bobby Bristead thought it was going to be his chance. And then Brian Greasy came up and that didn't take very long. Shout out to national champion. Brian Greeney. That is that is that. You are correct. My fault. Half a national champion, Brian Greasy. Simply. Simply. Simply. a half a national champion, but it's very important because if he had not gotten that half a national championship, we would then be saying national champion Ryan Leith.

Oh, no, he wasn't being a champion. They just played them in the Rose Bowl. Right, right. That's what it was. There we go. Also, Brian Greasy of Chicago Bears fame when the headset went out and I believe was Ron Turner, who was his offensive courted and he came into the post-game press cop.

It was like, yeah, that last drive was all me. I was calling plays and then the Bears, as they are apt to do. We said, hey, you can't do that. And then look, what, 20 years later, they did it to Justin Fields. So, you know, shout out to the Bears. All right, so we're going to talk about the Bears

and things around the Bears in just a second. But first, congratulations to this man. You know what I'm saying? Fun story. Jason Golf's going to finally get to meet golf in person, right? Golf is going to be in New York City. He was coming for the Dominique Foxworth live show.

He sent us pictures of this weird-ass hotel room that he had. It was a lot going on there. And then next thing you know, that boy golf is like, I got to go back. It was Tuesday. The show was on the Wednesday. Tuesday, the homies like, I got to go back. The baby's coming.

Oh, okay. And then on Thursday morning, I'm like, yo, I've heard nothing about this baby. I'm like, yo, sup with the baby. And he was like, the baby just came. And then we got a picture of the baby. And I made sure that your lady understood that I knew who the. real MVP was, and it wasn't you just for jumping all to plane. I wasn't one.

Thank you, brother. I appreciate you. And yes, like you, you know, if you was on your breaking news game still or ever, if you wanted to, by the way, you ever think about like the places we've lost people that we knew they would have been awesome. Like, you've been terrific in your career all the way around. You wanted the, you know, you wanted the legends of this thing. But like, Bumani Jones, reporter, would have been five.

Just pulling up to press conferences and just ruining people's days if you felt like it. But, no, you had to break the news both times because I was like, hey, Dom, Bo, you know, got to go, brother. Yeah, the next thing you know, going through it, getting back home, trying to make sure that I'm doing everything that I'm supposed to do, being a, you know, a present and helpful and hoping father to be. And then as soon as the baby dropped, you hit me right then as well. So yeah, man, Baby Nova is here. P is doing great. Everybody's good right now. The sleep deprivation thing hasn't kicked in yet.

So everybody's good, man. But, yes, I was looking forward to hanging out with y'all. And I had to fit. Because I saw what you did. I saw the pictures afterwards. And I was like, ah, Bwani pulled out that foreign, you know, that foreign hand-s-one thing. I put out that Morocco.

And, yo, the thing about the Morocco is, is I got an event in North Carolina, by the way, this weekend. You might still be able to get tickets. Go to E-Tix to Basketball Jones at the Rialto Theater in Raleigh on Friday night, January 31st. But I ain't really got that many, like, bits after I, you know, now I got all this cake, you know what I'm saying, after I went to, you know, put in to work, you know what I'm saying?

I got a little something for you these days, you did. I ain't got that much to, like, wear it in front of people. And so right now, that coat, which is my favorite article of clothing ever, is the problem is it's fly in a way where it's so noticeable that every time you break it out, somebody go notice that you broke it out. And so I don't know if you watch The Simpsons, but it's a Marge's Chanel dress basically.

Yeah. I'm taking this thing to every outing, every invite, whatever it is. I was thinking about what I got to do this weekend. I'm like, yep, I think it's coming on to plane with me. It's a showpiece. It is. That's the bad part about those. kind of things, though, because it's so fly that somebody's going to notice it. And then you're hoping

that that someone also isn't a hater. Or it's like, hey, man, you all that. It's three months ago. And I'm like, where do we, where do we go that I can't just pull it out? It's me showing you how special. I think this event is. Well, hold on. This is what I'm to say if somebody say you just broke it out three months ago. You're right. Dude. Well, I did just break this out a few weeks ago. My man. Yeah. You are correct. Brother. Yeah. Right? Like that... It's usually a guy.

Yeah, no, but you got to start hitting them and be like, when did these rules start applying to us? These is the shackles that they put on themselves. Okay? That's a discussion or whatever that they be having within themselves over there with two X chromosomes. Ponda, you ain't got to bring that dribble over here. Look, man, I get it, right? Nope. Not going to say that. People will take it harshly. I, too, watch the young and the restless, but not for the same reasons. All I'm saying is, you ain't got a, you know,

tambourine playing. Yeah, yeah. They could let me live. You know what I'm saying? They could let me live. See, but how do you feel, all right, so how do you feel, though, as a person who, would you describe yourself as mildly fashionable, not at all fashionable? Like, you care about fabrics, you care about things that you wear?

because I find myself in this weird place now where I'm doing a lot of caping for, especially NBA fashion, which has become its own, like, subculture, where it's like friends of mine are like, man, can you believe you wearing that? And I'm like, uh, yeah, uh, you know what I mean? Like, if, if I am that rich and want to explore whatever it is, I want to, if that's your vibe. Like, these dudes, you could tell when these dudes just throw on and whatever the mannequin is wearing and you're like, oh, you just want to look stupid out here. But if, if I want to wear it, baby, that's what it is.

I've been telling dudes for years. The way I dress has brought out insecurity and men for a long time, I just don't like it when it's loud. Yeah, I am not a fashionable sort. I don't really care. I'm just trying to get the job done. I know what quality is on fabrics. I don't want to be out here looking bad.

I don't want to be out here looking crazy. If I had a fashion, it's simple. It's sleek. It's classic. And you have the body style for that too. See, there we go. There we go, right? And so that's where the Morocco jacket is a little bit different because it got some

buyout to it. You know what I'm saying? Like when I wear that thing, man, I'd be walking. Like, I walk like what you call it, like a baseline is playing. Like I get the full, I get the full swang to the side when I'm out here. I bought that to that Stevie Wonder concert. I went to with my brother. I went outside to meet him and to walk to the tray.

He said he saw me walking. He was like, who is this guy? Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, I can feel it. Yeah. You got to ride that wave, though. Whatever makes you feel great, I had something that I was getting ready to, you know, had a leather, you know, situation on stage.

I thought we was going to do the whole thing. But it looked great. It sounded great. You guys did an amazing job. And hopefully I'll be in New York next time for longer than 12, 13 hours. but I'm very pleased with the outcome because I got my baby girl to hang out with now. There we go, indeed, indeed. Now, I got a question to ask you about Chicago.

We brought this up. Y, I got a coach now. You know what I'm saying? O.G. Benny Johnson. O.G. Biddy Johnson. You know. I heard you. I heard you, by the way.

I just saying, as a Lions fan, first of all, as a Lions fan, he trying to take the whole staff. You know what I'm saying? It's very interesting. He hired a 28-year-old officer coordinator, named Declan Doyle. If you're not familiar with Declan Doyle, there's no real reason for you to,

except his daddy was that strength coach that got fired at Iowa. You know who his uncle is? Who is his uncle? This is one of those things where you find out and you're like, all right, what's going on here? His uncle is none other than I are Mike Dicker.

Oh, really? Yeah. Oh, that's a lot. Yeah. Like, is his nephew? Sean, did somebody? looking up. It's nephew, cousin, something like that. But when I read

that, I was like, oh, okay. At the same time, man, he doing the damn Campbell, man. He got, he, he got J.T. Barrett as the quarterback coach. I saw some other choices he made. Like, any skepticism I might have had about bringing in Chris

Doyle's son. He's like, no, no, don't worry about it, man. We got, we got it over here. Yeah, no, we have retained the title of Chicago Black Bears, right? We got it. We got, we got, We got Kevin Warren, we got Ryan Poles, you got a brother at quarterback. That's right. Yeah, no, I mean, all you got, that's why when Thomas Brown was the head coach or interim

head coach, I was sitting there, you know how you're sitting there watching him like, come on now, let's, come on seven. And he's sitting there like, if they don't, if you don't do, you look at him, like the whole movement is on his show. It's like, you don't win a game. This is never happening again, right? No, no, but the positive. You talk about the black up QB.

Like, we was in here, you know, also we shawl over. come. The one positive on that is they can't just blame one of y'all. The one negative of that is they can blame all of y'all. They can get all y'all out of there at one time. Every single clear the deck, start over.

Next thing you know, some shot in a son is bringing him and the rest of his crew and Bill Belichickson. Yes. We're out of there. And Kevin Warren is kind of behind the eight ball in the sense that, I mean, they're on his ass, bow. But, I mean, one thing to remember about

him is that he was the commissioner of the Big Ten when the Big Ten made the decision to not play. And he became the face of what became a much larger political sort of issue. And so something I don't think that a lot of people understand about Chicago is that Chicago has a lot of home teams. Obviously, I can rattle them off. But the other home team is the Big Ten conference, right? It's like half nor do they have Big Ten, but the Big Ten conference is its own thing. And I always wonder when he got that job with the Bears, how many people still had that association with him. He's like the president of the bears. That's a job that people normally don't really care about.

Like you care about polls. You don't really like care about the guy that's all the way that high up on the total, but y'all seem to care. Well, see, the issues that have been attached to that job is because there's never really been a football person in an organization that has been doing football since the inception of this league, right? And I've talked about it a lot on my power. where all, if Bumani Jones and shout out to Mac and Mama and if the family Jones was running a laundromat service for 100 years, when they get down to Bumani, Bumani shouldn't be going outside asking for help.

Bumani shouldn't need a consultant. Bumani, have you been watching what your family has been doing? So the president of the Bears has kind of been Ted Phillips, right? Ted Phillips, they called him sweaty teddy every time he was. was at a press conference, the man was pouring buckets like a Michael Irvin Hall of Fame accepting speech. You feel me? And all you did was sit there, all right, that's where the ire can be pointed.

That's where the blame can be pointed. You ain't going to get mad at Virginia McCasky. Who wants to win playing that game, right? And then when you finally, quote, unquote, win that game, are you going to feel good that day? You know what I mean? But with an old white lady. Yeah, yeah.

So Ted Phillips became that guy and was that guy forever. And then it got muddied, okay. how much football stuff is he involved in, like coach selection and all those other things and GMs lining up contracts with their coaches. It was always mismatched. So when Kevin Warren comes into play, not only was your boy Jim Harbaugh on the market,

but then you remembered what had happened in the Big Ten conference with COVID and people wanting to play and his interactions, not only with Ohio State, but with Michigan as well. So those weird, like there's always something weird in the Bears management system, more hierarchy.

So, and on top of it, you got hired to build a stadium two years later. We still, hey, where they're going to play next year, right? So, yeah, Thomas Brown, Ryan Poles. There's a lot of brothers who have been on the line here for the last year and a half, but, I mean, it's Chicago sports. Well, hold on, y'all not just going to shoehorn a renovation of Soldier Field through like they did the last time where this is, so I actually, I went to the American Economic Association Convention.

in January of 2003, and somebody came and made a presentation about this. It was like an anti for what had happened. But the bottom line was there was a provision. There's a provision that says that you can't build a new stadium without putting that on the ballot. At least that was the case at the time. But you could do a very thorough renovation of the current stadium without putting it on the ballot. And what they basically did was build new soldier field inside old soldier field. Like if you're in Soldier Field, there are some places that look like anachronistic there

where it almost looks like a spaceship. And then you get outside and it looks like the Parthenon or the Coliseum, right? Like they did that. And so they jammed it through and they got the renovation done. Okay. It sounds like Chicago. You tell me if I'm wrong here, everybody's trying to get themselves. Now that they'll put Super Bowls in cold places, everybody wants to dome now because you can get you a Super Bowl

and you can get you some final fours. You can get your hands on that sort of situation. That's the game that they seem to be trying to play now. But it doesn't seem like anybody in Chicago, even the people in the suburbs, really want something that's in the suburbs. They want it in Chicago. Yeah. This is the only city where all the teams play within the city limits.

You know, there's five of them as well, right? There's nobody going out to the berbs to watch basketball or baseball or hockey or football. Yeah, the renovation did. and we made fun of it at the time. It looked like a spaceship landed in Soldier Field. And the issue is the city owns the space. So, you know, for a long time now, the Bears have had the worst turf in all of the NFL. It's because you could have a Bears game and then you can have a high school football game.

And then you can have a concert. And then you could have a soccer game. Soccer match, I should say, like, there's so many things that happen that they don't, one, they don't control all the money that's coming and going in and out of that place. And two, they don't control. the facility. So if you want to control the facility, there's acres and acres and acres of land on the rail yard in certain areas here in Chicago. And I want to local you out too much. But going all the way out to Arlington Heights or going all the way out to some other suburb, it would benefit obviously

the ownership group and the organization financially because, you know, retractable roof, all the other events like you mentioned. But in the end, you know, these places also don't want to subsidize a billionaire's playpen. And that's what they're asking for. So, you know, it's the weird economics of sports, especially football, which is a religion in this country and also in this city that is hard to break. So I wish the best to Kevin Warren. But, you know, I went to one Bears game this year.

That was the first one I had gone to in half a decade. Easy. Easy. It's nothing that I need. You know, I don't need to be a soda field. There are some people who need that. But it would be weird seeing the Bears. as play in another space, unlike those teams that are already used to that, like the Giants

playing in East Rutherford and all those, and just playing in Ysah Rutherford, you know? There's an irony to all the sports teams playing in Chicago and all those white people fleeing Chicago. Like, I don't, they're like, no, y'all stay. Y'all stay right there. Don't y'all come over here? Y'all stay, y'all stay right where y'all at. Building a little perimeter.

Yeah, they're like, I don't. A town style. Yeah, they're like, no, we'll come to you. We'll come to you. Like, I don't, that's, that's. You know, there's something I think a whole lot of people hadn't necessarily thought about. But with Ben Johns and Caleb Williams, I guess the first thing is, what did you think of year one of Caleb Williams? Like, somebody who watched this with a closer eye than I ever would have.

Like, how Jane Daniels seems to have passed him. Now, one thing that's worth noting is a lot of people had Jane Daniels over Caleb Williams to begin with, like going into this draft process. When I watched Caleb Williams, he didn't look bad, but he didn't look great. but I didn't watch enough to like really get a full feel on what's going on there. Caleb Williams came in with a ton of hype, as we all know, and of course the best set of skill position players that a rookie has ever been blessed with. And then the season starts. And then you realize you need people to block.

And then you realize that you need a coaching staff that I equated to mechanics doing surgery. his two offensive play calls got fired at some point during the season. His head coach got fired. He dealt with a lot of things that you don't see at USC or Oklahoma, which is first game of the season, Jeffrey Simmons running your ass down. You know, like this ain't everybody the man out here. So when we watch those off the script or, you know, improvisational plays and extended plays and highlights, that's going to happen once or twice, maybe in a number.

an NFL game when it's time to sit in that pocket and get rained on. I'll give him this, Bo, tough as nails. The dude played every single game and got his ass beat. Some of that ass whoop was on his own merit, though, you know, the things that he has to recognize that he just simply hadn't seen. And you, you know, Bo, like, there are play callers who look forward to playing against rookie quarterbacks because it's like, hey, it might be someday, but it ain't going to be today. And you could tell every week it was a new test. And sometimes he would pass those tests.

And other times he was bringing the crayon with him. So he was going to get all the answers wrong anyway. Like, I'm looking forward to seeing Ben Johnson and this is going to sound crazy, turn him more into Jared golf. Right? Like, Jared Gough is a surgeon, if anything clean. If 58 doing his job, if the rest of that crew doing their job, if the backs are picking up, that's the one thing that I think people didn't talk about enough this year for the Lions is how quickly Jemir Gibbs became acclimated to pass protection, which is I can get him in here. He's in here on any down now. You don't know if you're going to get it or not because we trust him. And of course, David Montgomery is a bull when it comes to that department. So like getting him more acclimated to saying, you know what,

I'm going to take the cheese. I'm going to make a profit on this play. Keep my feet where they're supposed to be instead of, okay, this is a four second now play, which no one draws up in the NFL. He did a lot of those. So a lot of it was. was on his plate, but both, the plays that he made, the games that he, that he won almost on his own, like that Washington game, nobody was playing well, including Jaden Daniels. And then all of a sudden, fourth quarter roll around, and Caleb Williams, like, all right, this, I guess is the time for me to be the dude. What happens, though, is Tyreeks Stevenson makes his fo'paw. Yeah, and that, and that created the season for them. So I like Caleb Williams a lot. I understand why people

who are high on Jaden Daniels. I still worry about how slight that young man is. And if he's going to be able to take a pounding. But I'm good with Caleb Williams. I think Caleb Williams would be a very, very good, very good to pro bowl level quarterback within a couple of years time here. If Ben Johnson is the guy that we think he is. But, you know, the guys that you win because of and the guys that you win with, hell, we're still looking at Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson like, hey, they're going to win

because of y'all in some of these games. So there's only a couple, maybe, one or two guys that are like that. And then I think he long term will settle into that second tier. guys. I think we both know, and we mentioned this a little bit earlier. The issue is whether they can get their line situation straight. Because reproducing what Johnson did in Detroit, and look, you know, you've heard me talk about him the last week and change. But, I mean, I'm not stupid. He's really, really good. That scheme was really excellent. But they was moving furniture up front. The bear has got all these, they got DJ Moore. They got a dunzae outside, right?

Mr. Half Fish himself, Keenan Allen. Right. You know what I mean? Right. But if you ain't moving no furniture, man, I don't know. I don't know how the Ben Johnson thing works if you're not moving furniture. Right. Look, Ben Johnson thing was so cold that when Sandlerboarder made that crazy catch in the game against Washington.

The part that people didn't get was Washington double team the eligible tackle. They ran a bracket coverage on number 70. So that's a skip. Number 70. who was running like a crossing route too. It wasn't even like one of your typical routes that you get off one of them big boys. That's how just befuddled Ben Johnson had people trying to figure out what you do with them, but if they're not moving that furniture, and by the way, not only do you need to be able to move furniture,

some of them trick plays he's doing. Like, just because you can run a hook and lateral with Pena Sewell, that don't mean you can do that with literally anybody else, okay? They kind of only made one of those that we've got out here, right? now. Yeah. You got to, um, so in basketball and football, especially for me, guys get hired for what they do. What is it that you do, especially in football? I run this West Coast vertical threat offense, this, that, and the other. And then you find out, is that all you do? Is that, can you, can you make do? Can you look at your left tackle and go, you know what,

Rxton Jones is an average to above average left tackle. So now I have to gear my offense to make sure that he is not put in any precarious positions, especially with the right ends that are in this division. Right. Like he even said in his introductory press conference, I'm not going to slam the playbook down and be like, this is what it is. He said, I'm going to look at y'all. This is what y'all can do.

This is what y'all can't do. The most important people are in the locker room. It all sounds good. And then you get on the grass and you find out, okay. I need this, this and that, but I don't have it yet. Can I coach above it? And let's face it, you look at that division. You got three of the best coaches in the entire damn league.

Dan Campbell skins on the wall now. Like, he got people believing, yeah, if you are 10 years old, you don't know Detroit not being decent. You know, like, I've known Detroit to be an 8 and 8, 7 and 9 franchise for the majority of my lifetime. And shout out to Herman Moore and Barry Sanders and Scott Mitchell and that. you know, ambiguously biracial Wayne Fonts thing that they had going on for a little bit. No, wasn't that ambiguous about Wade Fons? Wayfantz is from an African country. See?

Look at you. It is amazing that the Wayne Fons thing. By the way, Vini points this out, the best thing about Wade Fons was it was three of them, it was three brothers, right? The Fons boys. But none of them pronounced their names the same. They all used a different pronunciation. And so Wayne Fons is Cape Verne.

I think he's from Boston in that area. And you know what that mean. Like I don't understand how he avoided being the answer to the trivia question. How exactly was he playing it? Was he passing? Was he just not bringing it up? Like what exactly the discussion was? But if I dropped Wayne Fons off in Louisiana and say his name is Wayne Fontes, F-O-N-T-E-S-E, you know what, you know where he at?

You know what team he played for? There go. There's the Fontez boy over his slide. Adele right now. You just go check him out. That's what I'm saying. And so, no, it's actually interesting because the Lions got super sorry with Matt Millen when he came in there

in that run. But you're right. He started drafting all the wide receivers. Right. But you're like late 80s through the 90s. They were just fine. Like the idea that the lions betrayed Barry Sanders, no, not quite. Not quite. They were pretty good when they had Barry Sanders. Like this was not, they were not

that terrible. And the first few years of the Calvin Johnson Matthew Stafford pairing. They were not as terrible as advertised. They weren't quite good enough, but they weren't quite as terrible, I think, as was advertised. But no, when they had been bad, they had been bad. And they're right before Dan Campbell got in here.

Ooh, hey, cheeks. And Kevin O'Connell is doing this thing in Minnesota, about to lose. Well, we'll see how many people off his staff he loses. But you got some dudes now. So Ben Johnson has got his hands full not only with the roster, but the rest of the vision. You forgot about his new nemesis. Who's that?

What's his name? Matt Lafour? Matt LaFourne. Calling him out, talking crazy. Yeah, yeah. Can we run this clip right now? I've never seen anything like this at a pro press conference. This is Ben Johnson talking about beating the Packers.

I know this is the toughest division of football right now. There's three teams that made the playoffs this year. I've got tremendous amount of respect for the coaches and the players in this league. haven't competed against them for the last six years. Dan Campbell, Kevin O'Connell. You're talking about two guys that are up for Coach of the Year awards as the season ends here. And to be quite frank with you,

I kind of enjoyed beating Matt LaFourg twice a year. Yo, bro, like, I got to be honest. Ben Johnson got a little more charisma than I expected him to have because, I mean, I thought he was just coming with the full dork like the Josh McDaniels' fears exist with some people, but he came out there, swang it. I'm fine with it because when you talk that way, you know every day that you got to back that up.

And when you don't back it up, then we're on your ass. Listen, I miss, and I'm going to sound like old man, I miss the time where coaches had personalities, where these players were allowed to have personalities, where you find out that a coach had a personality, in a random moment. We're like, all right, got to keep my eye on him. Now, we know so much about everybody via social media

that nobody is going to try to make a mistake because they fear that it will hinder them getting a job. It's like, no, that's why the Anthony Edwards thing is so refreshing to everybody and including me because it's like, hey, this dude talking like he don't know, he ain't supposed to talk like that. And I'm down with it. I'm down with people ruining brands, building them, all those things.

Like, let's get back to it. You remember the way things traveled for us as sports fans as opposed to how they travel now. Now, one, everybody is filled in, top to bottom on your bio. You can't really explore and learn yourself in front of people on the stage. And you got guys like Ben Johnson who, oh, he said something about another coach in the division. Maybe he don't like that at Marlborker.

Like, maybe it's okay. Like, I'm okay with buddy Ryan on the sideline punching out his offensive coordinator. Shout out to Kevin Gilbride. Like, I'm okay with my sport. having a little bit of human in it and also me thinking this is part of the entertainment experience. If Ben Johnson goes on to win five games

over the next two years, guess what they're going to play? Him talking shit about Matt LaFloor. So if you cold, it shouldn't matter either way. I'm down with it, man. More of it in my diet. Put a pin in that because we need to sell some advertisement, but I have thoughts on this matter. The NBA is in full swing

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We were just talking about coaching and the idea or just we miss having that level of personality there, right? Yeah. And so to me, and I think you can be pretty. sure I 100% agree with you about this. I liked it better when everybody was a little more. It's not just that everybody's so corporate now is that they all been corporate forever, that somebody has seen the vision of what it is. Because like the idea of media training. I hate the idea of media training. I hate the idea of media training because I work in media

and I admit that I sound very much so like a burglar who hates burglar alarms. Like the whole purpose of this is so I can't burgle no more. Right? What they are trying to teach them is how to not say anything. That's the whole point. And I have made this point. I said this at this New York Times gathering that I was at. And I didn't feel like people really understood and got where I was coming from. I don't think that the money is in not saying anything.

That is a game to protect money. If you already that dude, right? If you already this guy that's at the top, that's the game that you use to protect your money. But if you just a dude in the league, you don't get no money by being quiet. You don't get no money by being boring. You get money by showing people who you are. And so this panel I was on was talking about the idea of brand building. And it was basically a bunch of athletes at me, which was a little bit awkward.

But I was listening to them. And their whole point is there everything. So much was like, well, if I mess up and I say this, then that I'll mess up this brand deal and that brand deal. And so the way that I interpreted that they were thinking about branding was literally about the idea of creating relationships with brands and getting money, where to me, the idea of having a brand is establishing a personality around something so that when people see that thing, they know what that thing means. They know what that thing stands for. They know what that thing represents. Okay. So for a guy's hour age, I point to, three examples of how to do the brand thing that have been long lasting enduring brands. Now, the first is probably the most obvious, which is Michael Jordan. Right. That is, but the thing about Mike is, Mike never said anything offensive, but Mike said things. Like, you go look at interviews. Mike is avoiding third rail stuff, but Mike was all, Mike was interesting, Mike was engaging,

Mike was charming. Mike had things to say. But two other enduring brands that are a bit more impressive to me than the Michael Jordan brand. And they last and they exist to this day and they are still gigantic players in sports on the basis of the brands that they built when they were players. I think I know one that, well, I think I'm going one, go with one, go with one. Give me the one you got. For me, it would be Magic Johnson. Oh, I was not thinking of Magic.

I was not. Yeah. But that that's there. Because I was thinking of, we met him to now and everything in between. Yes. And you know what? It's a different kind of branding because Magic used it not to get endorsing. money. Like magic money, a different kind of money. You know what I'm saying? Magic. The days I'm at home

is the days I'm not vacationing. Yes, yes. Magic playing a different game, right? Okay. So the two I was thinking of were Charles Barkley and Dionne Sanders. Mm. Like what, what Dion has pulled off? And look, everybody knows my criticisms of Dion. They have existed. They largely are moot at this point because the Jackson State thing is in the rearview mirror in such a way that there's no need for me to go back there, right? But where he is and what he's pulled off is not just on the basis of the brand of Dion Sanders, but Dion Sanders being a genius in knowing how to build brands, right? Like the thing of that, I don't think people get with Dion Sanders. And look, I don't, I think Travis Hunter made a mistake with the way he's handled his relationship. And I don't know that Dion advised him. But it sounds

like Dion advised him to do that YouTube show because what Dion is done with branding that people haven't really caught is that Dion that had his hand in some kind of reality show, basically every moment of the last 20 years. Dion got this show on Tobe with the woman Rossi Diaz. He's on there, which is to say that Diyadh always takes their brand to where women are. You know what I mean? Like that's the next level of fame for somebody. If the women are there, the men will follow. Yeah, but that's, but that's a whole, like he got the dudes from being Diyadh, but he goes and takes it over there. But everything we watch in sports and all of this is on the basis of a brand that he created in his dorm room in 1987. It was in a much more obnoxious brand when he was younger. But you know what the

Diyadh brand stands for. Diod and money. But you know it. You know what you're getting. And boom, it's clear. And Dion ain't never really taught that much about important stuff. But Dion talked. Dion was not afraid of offending you. And the other one, Charles Barkley, this is the brand that he's had since 1984.

The brand happens to be being Charles Barkley. If Charles Barkley had chosen not to do that and to be some quiet guy through the whole thing, none of this happens. Charles Barkley has made hundreds of millions of dollars on the basis of having an actual personality. And so what I think happens is, and I'm sorry, I know I've been talking for a long time, supposed to be a two-person podcast. No, I appreciate this. But I think that people misunderstand, like I think I've talked to you about this. Pick a year between the year, 2024 and, or like 2010 and 2020. Just pick a year. Uh, 2012. All right, 2012. What I'm going to do is I'm going to pull up the

2012 recruits, top basketball recruits. Okay. Because I found something once I was out basketball reference. And if you mess around and you take that list, right? And then you sort the results you get from that list, sort it by wind shares. Okay. And what that does is it gives you a handle on like who's had a real NBA career,

not just played some games, It's not just been around here, but like a real NBA career, right? And I don't even have to give you the total on the winshares. I'm going to just roll the names and go down. Okay. Now, 2012 was a really bad year. Just to be clear, all the recruit rankings. Stephen Adams has the most win shares from that class.

Wow. Stephen Adams, Montres-Harrel, Kyle Anderson, Jeremy Grant, Marcus Smart, Terry Rozier, Nerling's Noel, Gary Harris, Willie Colley Stein, T. T.J. Warren, Alice Caruso. That's like 10 people. You know what I ain't getting to no superstars, right? Right, right. Why would those guys be quiet? But you know the whole way as they've come up in the game. The media training has been, don't say nothing, because you're going to mess up the money. What money? The only money that you're going to get is from playing basketball unless you get out here and have established yourself a personality. and now you got a chance to move in to some other stuff, right?

And so when you talk about coaches, for example, coaches were the brands. They were the brands of teams. Think about this in college. How many college coaches are actually, like, how many college coaches do you have an opinion about? How many NFL coaches do you have an opinion about? When we were growing up, like especially with you in Chicago, Mike Dicca was a super brand.

Mike Dicke was out here selling everything. but the coaches meant something. Andy Reid means something right now, right? That whole mustache and everything. We've seen that for a while. He means something. Kyle Shanahan kind of means something, but it's like all football.

But you know, but there's no, these guys ain't giving me nothing. They ain't giving me nothing to know. It's all copy and paste. It's all press play. Except for my guy, my guy, Dan,

is out here giving you something. And your guy, Ben, it seems to be out here giving to something. But that's the thing. thing. Dan, because Dan was treated like a meathead. Let's keep it, let's keep it funky. And Miami is like, look at this. Look who they gave a job to. I had him all wrong. But, but that's the thing. You're programmed to have him wrong. We're programmed to think after while, well, if it's one of the Ryan boys or if, you know, if it's somebody who has any bit of a

pulse, it's like for me, as a kid before this new age of, you know, this black revolution in football where half the quarterbacks are black and you got a, well now, a handful of coaches who are black. Like, I remember for a long time looking at Art Shell and thinking to myself, that brother got some stories. That brother will put his hands on you and kill you, but that brother has to stay earnest and measured. And then for a while, it became, this is who you hire.

This is the kind of coach you hire if you are a black head coach in football, whether it be college or professional. You know, you had to be a Ray Roads type. You had to be somebody who, you know, who's my man that, Jim Caldwell, Jim Carwell, you look at Jim Carwell's record. We don't see Jim Carwell. Guess what? Everybody, oh, great football man.

I think of Jim Carwell is a terrific coach. Don't know shit about Jim Caldwell. You know why? Because if you're programmed that, okay, if y'all going to get this shop, or you could be the ranting, raving, you know, dude. And I'm not saying, I'm not putting them in this particular category. but Herman Edwards. Herm Edwards was the guy who actually said some things,

had a great personality, you know, good-looking dude, like all these things, and the moment it's time to go, guess what? It's going to be hard for you to get back in here. So if the programming has been to make sure we squeeze every bit of juice out of this player or every bit of juice out of this coach and you tamper it down,

that's why when these dudes, especially on these college campuses, when these dudes get wild and go to the wrong party or, you know, something, a Larry U-Stacy type of situation. It's like, no, these dudes has been these dudes forever. They just have to hide it and have to hold it back in hopes that maybe their talent will get them where they're supposed to be and their outside affects or outside, you know, interests won't.

Like, it's all trash to me. It's all vanilla. Like, I don't like it. It feels like a simulation. It doesn't, you know, the fun has been zapped out of it, especially when you talk about basketball. Like basketball coaches used to, you know, used to talk. shit. They used to get in front of a camera and be like,

that dude ain't playing well. Ask him why he's not playing. You know, those things used to happen and now it's, you know, it's way more corporate than it should be. Give us something, man. I'm convinced that's what people want. That's what they want everywhere else. They don't care if anybody good at anything anymore.

They just care if they like them or not. Give the people something to like. Like, it's interesting. Pete Carroll going to the Raiders is going to be a fascinating sort of thing because Pete, in his own way, Pete gives you personality. right? It's a fascinating career arc. Repeat, Carol went from being Boy Wonder, and it didn't work when he was Boy Wonder,

and now he is stuck around long enough to be the old man in the league or whatever. But there is even like you see Pete on the sidelines, and he's giving you all that energy and everything else. It's something. There's a real personality that's associated with him, and it then goes down to his teams. It'll be very interesting to see what happens with the Raiders in that regard. You got to give us something. Bill Belichick, who's not.

my guy. He wasn't, he was giving us a personality. He wasn't giving us personality, but it was a personality, right? Like, I would take his facetious, I'm not giving you anything over just kind of boringness. Mike Tomlin gives you something even while being boring. Um, but I just think all of these guys, we'd all rather you give us a little bit of personality. Nobody's going to remember that dumb shit you said. We're too busy finding the next person that says some dumb shit. We always finding somebody else to put on the screen. Yeah. I'm watching that dynasty on Apple TV, that documentary for whatever reason.

I stumbled upon it. And it's crazy. You said Bill Belichick's personality. Like, you see all of it. And then you see when the winning starts. And that collar start the type. I don't give a damn how used to winning you are. And then you get called a cheater.

And then maybe the greatest quarterback. Everything changed. Everything. Like, he was a dude who coming there. you know, mess around a little bit with the media. And then he got called a cheater. He's like, wait a minute. It was like, you motherfuckers don't know how cold I am.

That was the most interesting thing about that 10-part documentary series and I watched it all. The most interesting part to me was not about everybody throwing Belichick under the bunch, which I actually thought was an unfair characterization of that documentary. Yeah, they treated him like he was Aaron Hernandez's bag man half the time. But Bill Belichick chose not to speak for himself. And once he chose not to speak for himself, other people's stories stood. Like he was like, oh, Marita, baby. He was like, we don't snitch.

And so he chose not to snitch at all, you know, and then it went from there. But to me, the most interesting thing was he was not always this antisocial character. Hey, man, this man out here pulling them all airplay, it's helped him with a philosophy papers. Clearly he got some, you know, clearly he got some rap. It all stopped with SpyGate. After SpyGate, he turned into that guy. Yeah. And we've seen it happen with players where it's time.

for you to lose that cuddly nonsense because this is the professional ranks for whatever reason, whether it be your injuries or poor play. Like, I mean, I know nobody cares about it nationally, but here in the city, you know, you got a fourth pick in the draft right now. Patrick Williams, who for the first time, people are asking them questions like, hey, man, do you, do you think you can play? And he's answering, no, I got game. And it's like, wait a minute, these four years don't prove that.

Like, there's a time where you see people in their career arcs where, is I'm proven to everybody and myself how cold I am. And then if you are cold, the second step of that is, oh, man, I'm tired to prove to you, motherfuckers, how cold I am. Like, y'all ain't going to just keep questioning me. Like, I remember Steph Curry. I remember before Steph Curry went to the garden and burnt down the Knicks, like Yommer Shumper told it, the birth of Steph Curry's, like,

real Steph Curry revolution. Before that, Steph Curry was the dude who was really fun to watch with bad ankles. And they signed up to that extension. People like, hey, you show about them ankles and all those other things. And then he got on that LeBron time where it's like, hey, you're cold. But when are you going to win something here? Like that second step is always tough for people to navigate where it's like, oh, you question me now?

This ain't fun. This is a business. Do I love this anymore? Shit, I got to do this three times a week now. Like you start to see those gears start to grind in people's heads. And it's a monster. That's why for the most part, hey, go out there, have a good time. You are a millionaire, and you are young.

Enjoy yourself. I wish we got more real, Steph Curry. Because, like, every time me and Vinny would do a podcast and talk about Steph Curry, you know, I wouldn't say we'd get something wrong, but we wouldn't get it right, you know? And Steph would go take whatever little opinion out off in front of the world

and wipe his light-skinned ass with it. And he, like, when he sees Vitti, he walks up to Viti once. Not bad for assistant player, huh? I think this was after the champion. Like Vinny, Vinny catches all these things from Steph. I can't imagine what it'll be like whenever I run into stuff. I haven't run this stuff forever. Like, it'll be crazy when that happens.

But I wish he'd give us that stuff more than this step for everybody to love. No, dog. Give me that stuff. I hate that I heard him never say nothing sideways about winning all of them championships on the bronze watch. See, he's the kind of selfish mother if I'm going to keep it to himself too, right? There won't be some expose documentary or documented where he's doing his last dance thing where he was like, you know, LeBron blocked that shot and looked at me and I took that personal.

You know what I mean? He's going to keep it to himself. How dope would it be if Steph Curry wrote like the Miles Davis autobiography of basketball autobiographies? Like the Steph Curry book comes out and the next thing you know, he's just flaming everybody. like starting with Monta Ellis and going all the way down. Can you believe that this mother from Alabama thought he could be? Oh, hold on.

Hold on. He started by flaming them boys at Davidson for not getting him to ball on the last shot against Kansas, right? He starts there. Then he just goes through and sets fire to everybody. Everybody. I want to send a shot. The forward is to Jerry West, right?

I want to thank the one person outside of, was it, Bob McKillop? Who was the Davidson coach? Bob McIllick. Yeah, I'm sad that I remember that. I want to thank Jerry West. He's the only person outside of Bob McKillop and Wardell, Sr., who knew that I was the coldest motherfucker in the gym. And then you just start from here on now.

Hey, hey, let me tell you something. Maybe Wardell knew he was the coldest dude in the gym. But I am not sure he did either. Hey, look, man, it's cool. Like, my brother talks about this. Like, it worked out well for me in the end. I'm not saying I'm NBA levels of this. But when I was growing up, my brother was like,

Dad, we got a problem, man. Motel jokes, but he ain't funny. He was really afraid that this was going to be, like, a life thing that was going to happen to me. Now, I believe that I would have been socialized out of it if I was truly bad at it. But, you know, I hosted a comedy show that got two seasons on HBO. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I got a couple of jokes. I ain't got all the jokes, but I got enough jokes that I got jokes that I could come tell all here that I've been telling for 15 years and people are still laugh, right? But my brother, my brother loves me, but he didn't see it coming that way, right? I don't know if Dale really knew

that it was going to go like this. What if we find out that Dale really thought that Seth was going to be the one, right? Like, what if we find that out? They used to have Steph out there passing the ball to Seth so that Seth could get it right. Hey, no, I figured all that. I'm thinking about the conversation between your brother and your dad,

when all of a sudden your dad's eyes start to change, you know, that glean, that shimmer starts to remove and like, am I going to be raised in a failed stand-up comedian? Like, oh, shit. The conversation stops in that moment between your brother and your dad. dad and it starts in your dad's head in the movie of Bumani Jones's life, whereas dad all of a sudden had to think of, oh, no, this boy about to embarrass the name. Let me tell you something, brother. And I know this in real life, it's happened to be a professional circumstances.

I think it may have happened to you in similar places, but you'll understand what I'm saying. There ain't nothing that can quite put a strain on a relationship quite like, hey, man, that shit ain't funny. The thing, the thing that does worse than that shit ain't. funny, that shit ain't cute. Right? But like when you dealing with somebody, what do you do? And you just be like, yo, man, I just don't think that shit is funny. And they give it to you like, like,

and they give it to you with no emotion. Yeah. Yeah. That's just your thought, man. I just don't think that shit is funny. And this person keeps trying to give you the funny repeatedly. And you just like, bro, I just don't. I just don't think this is funny. That hurt people feelings, man. And I understand It man, funny is a tricky thing. I have, you made me think about an instance in 1993 in my parents' basement where I won't name his name right now, but the people who know and who are close to me know who I'm talking about, a buddy of mine came over the crib. You know, I had a pool table in the basement, you know, hanging out or whatever.

And he, and I'm jamming. My dad has, you know, floor to ceiling speakers. Like he had the big house system set. He was the DJ when he first came to his country. So 700 records, you know, I put a record on and we have the tape player. And my buddy out of nowhere, I think I was playing Otis Redden. I was in the old souls back then. My buddy stopped cigarettes and coffee while we were playing pool.

I don't know why a 13-year-old is in this mode in this time in my life. Because you live in Chicago. And, yeah, everything is a dead president soundtrack, right? Yes. So I just hear the song stop, and I hear his mixtape begin. And I had to look him in his eyes and go, hey, man, this ain't yours. This ain't for you. This is not your game.

And I gave him his mixtape back. It also reminds me of a time where my uncle looked at me once, and I won't say why. As a child, he goes, so you're going to choose to be Elaine. And in that moment, I knew it was over, right? It just ain't funny, right? It just ain't funny. Hand back your mixtape.

And so you choosing to be a lane and walked out the door? These are the things that resonate with real people and real men. You know? Luckily, my brother gave me room to grow. You know what I'm saying? He allowed me to... Not my uncles. Yeah.

I'm like, I'm glad he allowed me to move into the space. Because they tell you, man. I tell this story too. I was doing highly questionable with Dan, and let's just say I was in a real good mood that day. And we had Mani Pachial as a guest. And you guys have to remember that Madi Pachial fantasies himself as a singer. And Jimmy Kimmel used to have Mani Pachial on singing like 1980s, Sunday 99.1 soft rock kind of ballads. And if you've never heard Manny Pachiao sing any of these songs,

you got to understand, he's terrible. He's really, really bad, but he lives a life. He's insulated in such a way where there is nobody who is going to tell him that he is terrible. And so he keeps putting out these tapes. And so we have Manny Pachial on Highly Questionable. Then somehow it comes up that he has a new album coming out, and he has a new single.

and Dan says, well, we'd like to hear you sing, some of this new single. I'm like, oh, God, don't do this. Don't do this. Not in the mood that I'm in right now. Please don't do this. Please don't do this. Please don't do this. And so he starts singing.

You felt yourself losing self-control. Oh, man. And so I'm trying my best to like, how am I going to hold this together, right? And so I'm like smiling and I'm going like this. And now I got to start dropping my head, bro, because I'm holding it. And now it's coming up my chest. The laughs.

And I'm trying to hold them. And I'm still trying to down my head and bob. And, you know, I'm trying to make it happen. And then I just can't help it, man. I start laughing. I try to stop it. Dan, reach across the table and punch me in the arm. And it's slat.

It won't be. He didn't hit me in the face, just to be clear. But it had the effect of that right there. And I was like, all right, cool. Cool. Cool. A little splash of water. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I shook it back

And Dan's mad at me And I'm like, mad at me, man, fuck you, mad at chew You set it up You threw the oop You're the one that, man, I gave you one more I gave you one more It's been enough years Yeah, it's been enough years, man

And then either the protagonists In the story got a problem with it, it is whatever So, I was in a wedding once I'm the best man, this woman I was, you know, best man, so I'm Derek de Groome and a woman, the bride, had an uncle that she wanted to sing at the wedding. He always said he was going to sing at her wedding. And he decided that he was going to sing.

And he was singing, for you, I will, by Kenny Ladamore. And I was at the rehearsal. And who, who was going to be a show. Yeah, for you. Not for you, I will. That's a modern song, but for you. You know what I joined, right? For you.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, the very wedding song, right? They don't make wedding songs no more, but a very wedding song. And I remember here. No, John Legend got a whole album full of them. That's all they doing anyway. Not at my wedding. But anyway, so, you know, he's always saying it.

And I was like, oh, I don't know what's going on here, right? And I don't think I fully did the math on how things we're going to go. But I like weddings. Everybody's happy. It was a very emotional time. Everybody's all pleasant. And I'm standing up there, you know, and the bridesmaids with the girls, men are coming. You know, come down the middle, spread your side, come down the middle,

spread the side, come down the middle. And now I see the bride. And so I'm there. And I'm like, cool, she's about to come down. I'm ready for here comes the bride. but it wasn't here comes the bride it was for you and it was and i had completely forgotten since the night before about this development and it happens and brother i'm like how am i how am i how am i going to do this the ticking time bomb it started how how am i and it's taken for help her because she she's

soaking up this moment you know what i'm saying and so and so i'm like cool i'm just start smiling And so I started smiling. And then I'm like, damn, I got to smile some more. And then I smile some more. And then I'm not lying to you. I smiled as hard as I could. But I smiled. I was in there looking like the Jack Nicholson joke.

I got my shit all the way up as tight as little dog. Oh, my God. My eyes are barely open because I'm just trying to channel it into this smile. And that turns into tears. And I'm like, oh, my. My God. And they're like, man, Beaumani really is into this wedding. That's what I'm saying.

This woman told me after that she thought I was just so emotionally wrapped up in the wind. And I was like, yeah, baby, you're right. Were you also in a good mood in that moment, by the way? Exquisite. So you got to learn the game plan now, Bo. With some incredibly funny shit, it's on the way. I forgot.

No, you got to. That's bad self-scouting, Bo. you got to know when some funny shit is getting ready to happen smiling ain't the way for you you got to think of something hurtful you got to think of something painful you got to think about like those early Braves fan days I see what you're saying I see what you're saying

yeah it's like you know when people talk about doing deed and they think about something else I'm like well one stop being a weirdo that was that was the analogy I was thinking of you was telling me to think about baseball yeah do something else yeah don't smile because the smile going to lead to the laugh

and then you know people don't think you tender at the wedding and then you know i was fine i was fine with them thinking i was tender i could live with that anything other than what it was i could i just didn't i just didn't want to be rude that was that was all that came down i was worried that you were going to be looked at like an asshole by the end of that story so was i but no instead i was looked at like a modern man you hey because you are let can i say something because i know you about to rush me up out of here like the bum I am. But I want to say this, over the, the duration and the reimagination of this podcast over the last few years or so, you know, I see a gentler, softer side of Bumani.

I'm actually trying. No, I'm not even bullshin you right now. Like, there was a time when you was on everybody ass. And if something was going down, I was racing here. You talk about it. Now, I race to hear you talk about, you know, these more lighthearted and fancy free thing. Like, we're still dealing in the same, you know, sandbox that is this country and America's season, whatever, 245 that just started about to be a blockbuster seemingly, right? And we always going to have a serious shit to talk about.

But, man, you know, I feel like you're building this nice little cradle, little nest of love and happiness and vulnerability, man. And I'm, I talk, you are, you are a trailblazer to say the least, my God. We should focus on, I think we should give more attention to the things that make us feel good and the things. Real shit. That's, that's where I've, that's where I have tried to, you know, move what I'm doing in the direction of it. You know what I'm saying? I hope that people appreciate them feelings, but I will tell you this, as I have become kinder and gentler. The internet has not.

the internet in fact is moved in the opposite direction i'm i'm on it's like poot people go on one way world going another you know what i'm saying it's nasty it's nasty i uh i i really don't engage anymore like for instance um a lot of people and my child's birth has shown me like how weird people can be because i've been off you know i do the pre and post game show uh for the bulls here in chicago and uh people have been like hey man you guys you guys you guys I got fired? What happened? You haven't been at work. Everything okay? And I haven't responded to any of them because if you listen to my pod or if you listen to when I hang out with you or Dominique, like people, you know, the people that need to know know what's going on with me. And then you get to people, man, we can't wait to see a picture of the baby. Sir, you are someone who has listened to me as a child now and to an adult. Why do you think that this is important to me? Like the internet is a very, very, very, um, useful, but increasingly weird place. And these social media platforms, like, shout out to them.

I don't know if I would be on any of them if I wasn't in this industry. And in fact, I look forward to purging the Facebook list once a week where it's like, oh, I don't know this person. You don't deserve to see anybody in my family or anybody around me. In fact, I'm thinking to do with this, Bo. You know how they have purges? Like, well, the movie purge and people have, like, fancy the idea. I think once a year, you know, it's just maybe an internet experience or internet experiment.

I think once a year we should just open up every zoo in a major city and just see what happens. You know what I mean? Like, just let the animals run around for a little bit. And whoever come back, come back, whoever don't, don't. You know, like if you want the, if you want the internet to be a crazy place, to be a madhouse, to be a zoo, let these animals that job in having in bondage for all these years do that as well. And it's a, I'm actually, I'll tell you about this later, but I'm going to try something about this internet stuff. Because I think we're all addicted to scrolling or a significant number of us. 100%.

And even if it's not, you're not, I found that when I was not scrolling at a period where I was off the socials, because I was really locking in on game theory. And I then replaced it by scrolling the news app. You know what I mean? Like I went to find something else. And I've been doing this longer than phones because I was trying to be a free. freelance writer. And I used to sit up on the internet trying to find stuff to write all the time. Like that would be, you know, at a very difficult time of my life, that's how I would feel the time was by doing

this. So this is a, this is a longstanding sort of thing to work on or whatever. But I'm going to try something. I'm going to tell you if it works after it goes. But ladies and gentlemen, that's Jason Gough. That's Jason Gough. That's Jason Gough. Check him out at the Ringer. Also, pregame post game for the Chicago Bulls. Congratulations. My brother, I appreciate you. And I look forward to see him more pictures. A little Nova. I'm saying. Yeah, yeah, man. I appreciate you. I hate that I missed you guys last, what was it, two weeks ago now in New York, but I got a terrific gift, terrific present. Looking forward to hanging out with the family. And it allowed me to be your wife's new favorite friend of yours. Oh, yeah. Don't worry. Oh, don't worry. This is, you know, hey, Bo want me to come outside. Is it cool? Yeah, don't worry. I'm working on that. I'm working on that. I'm working on that. No, no, no. I'm making it clear to her. We all on the same team. You know what I'm saying? You ain't got to worry about me. She knows. She know my jersey is in the rafters, man.

I'm in the hall of fame. I won already. I'm cool. I'm rude for. I'm here to help. That's what I'm here for. Yes, sir. But my brother, I appreciate you.

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