The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Jason Goff on Sherrone Moore Absurdity, Phillip Rivers Starting Again, NFL's Quarterback problem | 12.16
Episode Date: December 16, 2025The Athletic's Jason Goff joins Bomani Jones. First, they break down everything going on with this Sherrone Moore situation and how a "lack of mentorship" could have led to his issues. Later, they r...eact to the news that Phillip Rivers will start another game and to the fact that the Indianapolis Colts must hate the other QBs on their roster. Finally, they discuss Caleb Williams recent excellent play, a league wide quarterback issue and much more! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Jason Golf, Chicago's on.
What's going on, Big Dog?
Oh, man.
Feeling good.
Feeling good.
How are you doing, man?
Everything decent your way?
I know, you know, you're on the trip every time I talk to you.
So I want to make sure.
I've been local for a little while, but I'm scheming on another one, man.
I'm a hotline at you.
You just had a small child so you can't make the run, man.
But I got one.
I'm trying to figure out how to make.
But all y'all people with like responsible lifestyles, you know, I'll go.
I mean, if I must do it myself, I must do it myself.
See, I don't go a lot of places for vacation.
And I don't ask or I don't, you know, confer with my second.
significant other in that way. And then I'll just bring something up and she'd be like,
oh, yeah, yeah, go. Right? So it doesn't, it doesn't occur to me to be like, oh, yeah,
I'm going every time people go on because that's not the case. But I also don't,
I don't check in as much as I should. I'll probably be able to swing something.
Let me know. Yeah, I was I like nature. I'm into the nature choice now. So like,
that's the thing. I got to be, hey, bad, you know, might want to bring some boots.
You know what I'm saying?
Oh, listen, well, I'm in the Arctic right now, brother. So I got everything that
that I might need.
They got the expedition coach.
Like, let me know.
Let me know.
Yeah, man.
I will holl at you.
But in the meantime,
we got a lot of stuff
that we're going to get to.
Feel like people,
people still hot on this Jerome Moore story.
Did I see a picture of the internet
of him walking around
with the wife and the kids?
Like, he got really famous,
really fast,
and not for coaching Michigan.
I don't know what is to be expecting.
going forward because...
By the way, I call him Sharon Moore in my head.
I felt like I said...
You did.
No, you got...
Yeah, I know the Brown...
I know...
Listen, I was doing Sharon Wright
former cleansing center for like a good two weeks.
I'm like, not a week, but like two weeks.
Yeah, about 10 days.
You just at that age now, man.
I saw the people in the comments that's like,
yo, you like my granddaddy.
No, no, no.
That happens well before granddad.
Right?
I'm just...
I'm just your pops.
You know what I'm saying?
But yes, every now and then it's going to happen.
But you know who I'm talking.
talking about. Exactly. So don't be a jerk. You feel
me? Like I was saying, I don't know what to expect because
at every turn, I didn't expect what was happening. At first,
I was like, this is just one, because this is the thing. I hadn't gotten
got by a parody account in a damn near a decade, right? And I don't repost and do all
that stuff as much as back in the day because there's so much less trustworthy
information out there. I sent it to the group chat and then you
you were like, yo, I was like, thank God.
Because I haven't had that experience.
And so like, every turn I was like, this ain't real.
And then that would be real.
And then I'm like, this can't be real.
And then that's not real.
And then the next thing is real.
I don't know what to expect from going forward, to be honest with you.
I have never seen people fall for it more than they were on this story.
And I'm not really saying this as a judgment, right?
Because the thing, when, as they call it, in Spanish, in a guise.
see when a geese change the um the blue check to mean nothing it got real tough and so it's all but
people's brains still take the blue check as meaning something i actually read the bio and got
got yeah i'm not saying the bios are gested up and the other party is we are at the age now
where it's new generations coming into game and it's people that we don't necessarily know right
you know so you got to look a little closer but now it was wild stories because
coming with the uh sharon more on them and now people was people was just getting got left and
right so many people were sitting it's like again friends of this program right were sending me
different bogus joints about him and the problem was while the things that were being alleged
were crazy the actual story seemed like something from a parody account too yeah yeah that's
what it was. I mean, to have that job at that age and to screw it up the way somebody at a D3
school would be the town idiot for, right? Like somebody at some, you know, college in upper Wisconsin,
if you walking around campus with this on your jacket, oh yeah, we're laughing at you for the next
decade plus. We're actually going to make rules because of you. Now, the issue is,
hey, man, you ain't got no buddies in the coach of fraternity?
gang? Like, at some point, you've talked about game being handed down. At some point,
game gets handed down. And I'm going to be real with you. There is nobody who I think is more
about football to not follow the blueprint on. If you're going to act like this, it's Jim Harbaugh,
gang. Like, he didn't have somebody who was in front of him who was probably wild and out like
that. Jim is, you know, Jim is football, glasses of milk and family. And that's it. So you didn't even
have a player above you that you could be like, okay, this is how you play it, right?
That is real talk.
Yeah, you see assistants who learn from their coaches.
Yeah, you asked Jim Harbaugh for some advice on that.
Jim Harbaugh's advice is, have you thought about being faithful to your wife?
Focus, motherfucker.
And also, before your wife, football might be more important, too.
So don't mess up the foot.
That's what I always
I'm always
Hold on.
Oh,
no, okay,
I was about to say
I did the math wrong.
Well, no, no, no.
He served on Charlie Strong's staff.
Come on.
Could have got some game from that one.
Although he wound up
in a very precarious situation
that implied that his,
his pimper wasn't nearly as tight
as it needed to be either.
Well, we've been around
a lot of people in this industry
and in this profession.
and whether it be athletes or coaches, let's face it, man.
Like, a lot of people get that kind of attention because of what they are.
Yes.
We know people who got to get it out the mud because of who they are
and how they present themselves and how many situations they can see from afar
and what kind of instincts that you have honed over the years of, you know,
parking lot pimping or understanding that this ain't how this goes
or, you know what, I didn't become more handsome.
You know, that kind of vibe.
Like, you know, like, you know the dudes who you, like, all right, cool.
You're going to get caught up by somebody who is not going to be wearing clear heels
because they met you.
And, you know, the cat's who can still clear of it.
Like, I know, I know too many that succumb to this kind of behavior and then are really
sloppy about it.
And then on top of it, you know, breaking in like that.
It's just, it's just, it's just.
But hold on.
So let's, before we get to the break in,
part. And I'm saying again, I think he's going to, I think he's going to spend some time at the,
at the, the Michigan State Hotel, right? Like, we'll get to that. But before that,
he didn't get caught up like he got extorted, right? Like, he did not, like the way, kind of the
ways we described. And that's not the way that he got caught up. He got caught up misunderstanding
that, like, they're going to fire you as soon as they can. Like, I think that is the thing.
I think that we have reached a different point with black coaching by and large.
Or a, like he can get the job, okay?
But across the board, not just for black people, patience is thinner than it has ever been.
Right.
In this NIL era and all of this stuff, we see, I mean, we see cats get fired in the middle of
September.
You know what I mean?
Like, the patience is thinner for everybody, which means the patience is really thin for you.
Okay.
And so his thing is, you know, Adam Schaefter, this was wild, but Adam Schaefter got on TV
immediately after it happened, it was like Sharon Moore is saying that the people were out to get him
and they made it seem like he was paranoid.
And then we saw a report that said that for whatever reason, that woman just decided to call
up and let him know she had, in fact, been having an affair with him.
That sounds like, I would think that they were trying to get me under those same exact circumstances.
and what you can't do is make it easy for.
How many black coaches from the times that we were kids
had a variance in what kind of personality type they could be, right?
Like, as a kid, I knew that Art Shell was the black head coach in the NFL.
And that's how you had to go about things, right?
Here in Chicago, Lovie Smith, a certain temperament, a certain demeanor.
So that's why when Herman Edwards is out here screaming at white folks.
He's the only one with jokes.
Yeah, screaming at white folks in press conferences and have a,
a sense of humor and doing all these things.
Like there's always had to be this
understated, very serious.
I'm only about football. Like, it can't
be no Black Lane Kiffin.
Right. Hold on up. Even in basketball.
Which one of them got jokes, right?
Because like you had like the
Nola Richardson John Thompson
archetype, right? And that was
a fairly intense brother.
Right. Right. You know, like Nola Richards.
Scared the white folks. Kind of brother.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Which by the way,
is a precarious, like, role to try to take.
Because it does look like Nolan got a sense of humor on his own time,
but not at work.
They wouldn't know I can't get any white folks an inch.
No, sir.
And what you have to do is if you're going to scare the white folks
and talk to them crazy is be fucking great, right?
You can't be no regular cat.
Yeah, but this raises an interesting question I hadn't thought about
because we're saying that, like,
you had to have that personality to be the black coach.
Isn't that you had to have that personality
to be the black coach or that being the black coach will get you that personality.
You will be perpetually on guard and stern because you cannot show them weakness.
First time you tell a joke, now they go, hey, you out here dance.
Right?
You know, like, perhaps it's that.
Or you just got to be Mike Tomlin and get hired by a place, you know, on your own merit,
obviously, but hired by a place that you'll be up for 20 years.
But he's the same personalities as these other guys that we've been discussed.
he was like that when he was 33, whoever was when he got the job.
Now, old boy, Fran Brown up there at Syracuse,
he the first full-all black weirdo that I think that we've ever been allowed to have.
Dion Sanders, obviously, is a whole different world.
But Fran Brown, the one that's say that he don't shower after losses,
because only winners get to watch.
And we figured out that his woman was black when he was like,
my wife say, I can't come home after that.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's a certain intensity with Fran that is,
entertaining, but like, like, six percent scary for me, whereas like if it's time to hang out
with Fran, I hope he's like, hey, he's not intent enough to hang out with me and it makes
it easy for me to go the other way. Like, yeah, there's never been a, there's never really
been a, you know, a Rex or buddy Ryan type of black fella that was allowed to run one
of these franchises, not to mention in college football where the town is wrapped around
that football team.
Right?
Like Ann Arbor is the University of Michigan and vice versa.
Like Marcus Freeman right now in Notre Dame, you're sitting there like,
hey, man, he smiling, he looked good on camera, got enough wins out here.
He's using the Beijing in a way where, you know, the white folk can't pick up on it.
Like, there's a certain archetype of brother that you must be to go forward.
And yeah, I'm looking forward to the days where the Black Lane Kiffin can be hired.
I ain't going to lie, though.
I kind of can't believe that Marcus Freeman has gotten as far as he has.
Why is that?
Okay.
So you remember just how polarizing Cam Newton was?
Auburn Cam Newton, right?
Yeah.
And, you know, there's a number of different reasons why that may have been the case.
But ESPN did a 30 for 30, which really was more of a like 2020.
but it was a 30 for 30 about the Auburn Alabama robbery.
And they had a couple in there that was a man who was an Alabama fan and a woman who was an Auburn fan.
And this was made, I want to say like 2012, 2013, whatever, right?
So the Cam Newton situation is still fresh.
And they got them two sitting on the couch, the merry couple, and they're looking at something on the screen.
And Cam Newton came on that screen.
and I looked at the way that she jumped up
and she started clapping her hands
and I looked at that man and I was like, oh,
levels.
Levels are at play here.
And I'm just saying that if it was a documentary
about the Notre Dame USC robbery
and she was the Notre Dame woman
and he was the USC dude
and Marcus Freeman jumped up on the screen,
she would pop up clapping her hands
the exact same way
and that white man would be over there looking at it.
the exact, the exact same level of salt.
You understand what I'm saying?
I do understand.
And so I'm a little surprised that they are okay with Marks Freeman.
Yeah, yeah.
Like, I'm surprised that they is okay with it.
I also want to throw something else out there.
I've been seeing people talking about Marcus Freeman and his Beijing.
And for those of you who don't know, that man puts so much shoe polish in his
hairline.
Like, it's a, like, he's, his shit like a weave in the sense.
that you have to acknowledge that he's not trying to fool anybody.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, this is, he just, he just, he wants to wear hair.
And in order for him to wear hair, he has to do the cheating on the front end.
And people are making the argument that why don't he just come all home?
Like me and you, we live in, we live in several lives, you know what I'm saying?
I was about to say, you know, you, uh, your hat is like a shark's fin right now.
Like they ain't realized, you know, you, you, you know, I'm not half fishing.
Don't do that to me.
I don't think you have fishing, but you're just LL Koojee in right now, right?
Like you got your hat, this is what it is, right?
But you and I are both fortunate enough that we possess the proper symmetry, shape,
volume metrics, however you want to put it, to allow us to do this.
Let me tell you something, man.
Marcus Freeman, like LeBron, he don't have a head that work for this.
Like, that's why he's had to go through all the things he's had,
because going bald is just, it's not the same play for everybody.
You got this motherfucker looking like, so to Poppinski.
or your shit looked like in the cartoons
when they'd be like one lump of two
and they hit you on the head twice
and your joint pop up.
Scottie Pippen.
Oh, Scotty Pippin.
He had the waves.
Young people don't know about this moment.
This is an all-time moment.
The 1994 All-Star game.
Scotty Pippen showed up with two things.
One that doesn't jump out so much anymore,
which is those crazy red shoes.
Red flights.
Yeah.
But like now you just wear any old color.
But at the time, it was wild.
But the other part was Scotty decided,
to shave his head.
And it looked like somebody
had snatched him by the top of the head
and was just go all
over his head. Like, there's
no way he could have done it with a razor
because there's no way he wouldn't have bled to death
because he had, like,
you know, the pack of hot dogs, did the bad dudes
be having in the back? He had it all over his head.
Yeah. Shamed, like,
Shane Badiere, whole other world
from Shane Badee.
Ooh, Shane's, yeah, Shane's was
Saints was a little sketch.
But Scottie, but that's how wavy Scotty's, Scotty had waves and no hair is what we're saying.
See, the thing I do get with Marcus Freeman is it's a lot of people who still ain't on, though.
Like, we're on, right?
We understand the game and how he's playing it.
But to have kind of like the wave Nouveau vibe and the curl and the Beijing, that's just diabolical work where you just looking at him like,
I know that somebody's behind that curtain wizard,
and I got to find out who it truly is.
I think it's Richard Pryor.
But the problem that he has, though, man,
if he go bald, you know what he got to change his whole season?
Like, if he go bald, he got to start walking around
with no shirt-all and some black hammer pants
and be out here looking like the bad guy in a Bruce Lai movie.
You are like.
You know, like, look, I'm just telling you,
look at the shape of his head.
If he were to shave his head with the rest of the features that he got,
he's a full force backup dancer.
Yeah, he looked like a boss in not a Bruce Lee movie, a Bruce La movie.
He would be that guy.
Now, please understand this.
The ladies are hearing that like, well, I think he might want to give it a try, right?
But for him, he ain't, he doesn't have what you need.
He doesn't have the essentials for going balls.
So instead he just putting that kiwi on there.
That's why when you get to a certain age and it's time.
to do this. You know, you got to do it in a way where, like, we can't guess about if you had the
procedure done, right? Like, you got to be like, you know what, I'm on the way out, just jump out.
I never forget, never, ever forget. A buddy of mine was walking behind me, and we had a pack
of girls, well, this is a long, long, long, long time ago. He was walking behind me. I'm just making
sure. He was walking behind me, and we walk into a day party. And the man says, hey, man, you got to go
Then up top, ain't you?
And I was like, you know what?
And it's when I returned from Chicago,
return from Atlanta to Chicago.
I'm like, you know what?
Yeah, it's time.
And I had been doing it throughout my life or whatever.
You know, I remember Sam Mitchell.
He and I sitting in an Atlanta radio studio.
And he was like, you know, the procedure don't cost too much.
And I was like, you know what?
Y'all are just going to be recommending that this should happen in this manner.
And let me just go ahead.
But the maintenance is an issue.
But I am glad that I have the, the process.
proper circumference in the matrix to make sure you look okay. Did you see, did you see,
T.I got caught with the hat off.
He did. Yeah. Yeah. It's over. It's over. This with, this is this is a,
what he listed five nine in the media, a self-reported five-nine, right? I think that's,
that's what he's a five-nine with the heart of a six folk, right? I think he's a,
he's a self-reported five-nine. I don't, he strikes me as the type of gentleman
that would take it very personally if I did not give him the five nine.
Yeah, no, no, for sure.
I've actually been around T.I.
In those same Atlanta studios.
I'm picking up what you're putting down.
I'm giving him his five nine.
I'm just saying this.
Kevin Durant been getting away with the Yamika for a very long time
because that yarmulka is seven feet off the ground, right?
When you five, nine, yeah, you got to keep the hat on.
Like, this is what's required.
Like, I saw people who had all them jokes on TI and see this the trick bag.
Like, y'all want to wear these,
y'all want to be old but wear these long hair styles that's not that's not compatible after a certain point.
Like that's just not.
Once you hit that Jerry Rice point in your life where it's like there's no reason to have braids or cornrows or like, I don't have to do this.
I'm one of the greatest of all time.
If TI came out tomorrow bald and just stopped wearing hats and be like, yo, that man, he had been in trap music.
Like I'm not going, you know, I'm here.
I'm here.
Jerry Rice had a cul-de-sac and cornrows at the same time.
And my white homie Kirk in California said that having braids and a bald spot is the black man's comb over.
And that was real talk, man.
Like nobody has ever held on the youth more than Jerry Rice.
In fact, you watched that commercial they did with all those Hall of Famers acting like they old with Randy Moss and Dan Marino.
Demis Smith, the only one that didn't really make it seem like,
I think Jerry Rice acting like the ball, like it was,
no, that was Randy Moss.
It was like, wow, that pass was hard.
Jerry Rice was not giving anybody the satisfaction of thinking that Jerry Rice is old.
No, he's, he's still on that.
I will beat you in a press man coverage type of vibe.
Like, there's certain guys who ain't going to never turn that shit off.
Let's go run up that hill right now.
Right now.
Right now.
Right now, Jerry Rice is just waiting on that call.
Jerry Rice is on that Philip Rivers,
just waiting on that call.
Well, listen, that Philip Rivers, you know, people talking about the-
He's going to start again next week.
And again, if I'm Riley Litterd, how do you, like, if it was a regular job, you would quit.
You feel terrible.
And also, on top of all this is if you're on that defense or if you're John Van Taylor,
it's like, wait a minute, you mean to tell me in the Indianapolis Colts franchise history,
you know, Peyton Manning was a blip in terms of, I've been here for the Bert Jones years, right?
in the history of this franchise,
you think there's going to be moments
where we're going to capitalize on having
somebody else's throwaway, take him to an 8-4 record.
And all of a sudden say,
you know what, all this development,
all this, you know, evaluation,
all this shit that we've been talking about here
with these players, at least, for the last two, three years.
Let's see if a dude who was on a high school football field
with a headset, with a headset,
want to come out here and do this, man.
Like, come on, come on.
Well, it was, it was, you know,
The Jeff Saturday thing blew my mind a few years ago.
But this shit.
Why you say was?
It ain't no was.
It's still going on.
I can't believe any of them are willing to risk this for another week to give this a try.
My buddy Nick has made a point.
And we were talking about this over the weekend.
And he made the point quickly.
And he was just like, these coaches in their systems and their inability,
like nothing matters more than the idea that you know how to.
run my system and that my system can crack any code that you have. And look, that starts with
Bill Walsh. Bill Walsh is the first, just do what I say. Everything is built in. You don't even need
to call audibles, right? Everything you need is right here. If you just do what I say,
everything will be okay. And shout out to Morris Taylor for making that happen, by the way,
right? Oh my God. Lars Taylor made people. That's the difference between Lawrence Taylor and all
these other cats. And why I still say he is the number one,
Lawrence Taylor made them invent stuff. Yeah, the West Coast offense. We don't throw
to a spot because he's going to be here at some point. How about this? The H-back
invented to stop Lawrence Taylor.
Yeah. As football has been established in this day and time, we,
there's nothing that we can do about this. We have to change things.
around here. You know what, man? I needed this kind of conversation because I was thinking about
it this morning and how like my fandom has changed. And, you know, this weekend, I was in
Los Angeles and the Heisman ceremony had happened. And I remember there was a time where as
a kid, it was event television. Like, I am, I am about to learn things about three dudes who I
kind of been watching and hopefully the two dudes I have been watching and root before going
get this thing. Like, I remember having arguments about Larry Fitzgerald's year or Christian McCaff-
like, I think Christian McCaffrey's Hysman was the last one where I was like, tapped in to like,
who really should win and why they should win. And all these like, not just nostalgic conversations,
but like the regular conversations that we had, I think the whole social media part, we were talking
about what's happening with the parody accounts, man, there are so many interactions that I just
don't have in this business anymore that the fan of me still wants to have that it's like just
moved total departments like the Heisman ceremony out of my entire thinking and I know it's
because we're getting older. I know, you know, families and life and all these other things.
But shit, man, like I'm sitting there watching people have the Shador have won the Hivesman
two years ago because of what Fernando Mendoza conversation. I'm like, this ain't it.
Like, this ain't what I used to talk about when the Hiseman was important for me, right?
But, yeah, man, it's, it's, I'm glad these kind of conversations still exist because, boy, you know, it is a cesspool out there.
Like, I watch, I watch, I watch, go ahead, good.
No, no, I was going to say, I ain't really cared about the Hizman this year, right?
Like, I don't.
When's the last time you did, though?
Like, when's the last time you had tapped in, like, I think Marshall Falk is by far the greatest player in all of college football and because he's a freshman.
he ain't going to win it.
This shit is crazy.
That's a, you know, if you put the years in front of me, right?
I could probably talk about it a little bit more.
But like, yeah, it doesn't jump off the top of my head like it did.
But I will say this.
I'm assuming they don't allow you to do NIL deals for alcohol companies.
Because if they did, they would have been sponsored by Modelo.
It would have put a full fledge.
We got Mendoza.
Yeah.
We got Diego.
We got the boy Rodriguez
from Texas Tech
and it would have been great for Modelo.
I think I've talked about this on the air.
But like, in order to get a Modelo commercial,
Tony Gonzalez had to be Tony Gonzalez.
Had to be Anderson Pack
to get in a Modelo commercial.
They call a Roberto Garza,
a NFL, a Hispanic legend in the Modelo commercial.
They got some woman, they say as a DJ,
they used to be 50.
Anderson Pack is the coldest musician of his generation.
That's what he had to do to get a Modello commercial.
Now they can put these cats into Modelo commercials
who deserve to be in a Modelo commercial, right?
Who are living up to the standards that everybody has to be.
Shout out to you, Francisco.
Shout out to you, Diego.
Shout out to you, Jacob.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, Modelo could have really run it over here.
It's like the Chris Rock joke where he goes,
I'm cold as shit.
and you know who lives next door to me?
A dentist.
Yes.
This motherfucker had create teeth.
Like, that's what it is.
That's how the Modelo commercials be filling, but I don't feel like we made enough of a big deal about this.
Like, this really was a great year for Latino football players.
Like, this is the, we had the generation of football integration.
But now, like, we see in all the Nigerian cats, for example, they really start.
to get in and make their mark in playing football.
Look, I grew up in Texas, man.
It just really wasn't that many cold Mexicans out here getting it done.
I don't have an explanation.
I'm not implying anything that is about genetics or anything else.
But in a state that's got a whole,
that's thing about Texas.
Texas got a lot of people.
Texas got a lot of Mexicans.
And the Mexicans were not really playing high level football like that.
But, hey, if the game has changed.
Also, by the way, I know these cats at least aren't all Mexican.
I know that Francisco Mendoza.
It's not Mexican.
Just so you know, I'm not letting the Houston slip out.
We just assume that everybody is Mexican.
However, Jacob Rodriguez at Texas Tech, you are Mexican until proven otherwise.
If I'm wrong, I'm just wrong.
Roger Goodell would love to hear you say shit like that because, man, you talk about how long
this sport has been trying to make itself more popular to everyone else outside the people
who already love it and know it, man.
Like, I remember watching all of them bad NFL Europe games
and all the other things.
And now you're going over the big pond four, five, six, seven times a year
and getting the game out to people.
There was, and it seemed like there have been movements, right?
Like you had the, was it Pacific Islander, Asian-American,
kind of, you know, the dude, the all the cats who had the Vita Vaya type of architect.
architecture type yeah like now you mentioned the Nigerian homies are running this thing like
I don't know I don't know where as we cut more and more the middle class of like actual
participants of sports I don't know where the next wave is coming from because I know it ain't
out in the bay with all the tech kids like where do you think what do you think is going next
then if that's the case that's a good question right like because you can have stardom in a way
that the NFL offers that really no other sport does, right?
Like basketball-wise, you can look at greats who got introduced to basketball
and how it happened.
Like, the fact that Joel Embed is a part of the NBA African movement,
the way he is and has won an MVP and is an amazing player.
Like, basketball is a worldwide sport in a different way, right?
Soccer, we already notified.
But with football, there's like so many opportunities.
Like, you got all these rugby dudes coming over here like,
Hey, man, there's a 53 man spot.
I can find one of those jobs.
Right.
Let me tell you what I just thought about also while you was talking about that.
Like the AAPI, right?
Like Asian, American Pacific Islanders.
Man, all of us who are not white, we just be getting, we just be clustering up, dog.
Like, we just got to put together a squad.
Like, I hadn't really thought about it until you were talking right there.
Like, brother, that is a broad classification.
Latino is a broad.
black black is a fraud
classification there's a whole lot of people
in that tent that don't like each other you know what I'm saying
you're going to get the FBA and the Adolfs people involved
they're going to jump up my assing.
We just got to all hold it together right
we just all got a hold it together but when you started
talking about Pacific Islanders right there I was just thinking about that
like what do they and they got to do with one another
and it's we need these numbers dog
yeah and they spin in and they provide
resources, right?
Like the natural resources that the sport needs is right there for you.
I also imagine clicking up on that.
There was some of the Pacific Islanders that was like, look,
we got to go join up with them because otherwise they're going to think that we down with.
You know, that over there.
I would love to go to the barbershop that two would go to in Hawaii.
I want to see what's on the wall in there.
Listen, if you ever want to find out, truly find out what happens,
especially like in Major League Baseball, where how guys get indoctrinated
to the game and all that other stuff.
All they do is, hey, look, you can, you know,
shout out to Fernando Tatis Jr.
He got the dreads, he got the swag,
he wears the clothes and all that.
But, hey, top step when that anthem come on.
You know what I'm saying?
I know you've seen the dwindling numbers around here.
Don't get caught up in a life too much, though.
Don't get it twisted, you know what I mean?
There's a very, there's a covering,
that is necessary and also telling you how to succeed.
Yeah, people find out quick like, hey, we should be more over here with us
because at some point there's going to be a maddening at them.
You know what I mean?
Yes, yes, yeah, yeah, top step of that dugout home boy.
You get the rap lyrics off on the walk-up song if you want to.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I said, you did the salutes now.
I saw one of the Broncos doing a Maa Salute the other day.
I'm like, think of where we've come since 26.
team.
We had to put in racism in the end zones and all these other things.
And now we back to the mile high salute.
Brother,
it's so wild.
The only people still talking about it is the NFL, right?
At least they still, look, they took in racism off, but it still take all of us.
You know what I'm saying?
They still, it still choose love.
Inspired change.
Yeah, they're the only one still doing that stuff.
Everybody else is like, the police never stopped killing us.
They can be clear.
They never took.
a break, right?
And they did not.
They kept all going. And everybody just
got bored. We got bored.
It wasn't hot anymore.
Right.
You got tired of it. Yeah.
Oh, my gosh.
When I saw Burner Boy at the Salt Lake City
All-Star performance, I was like, oh, yeah.
You guys, you Jaws and Zions are the world and get your shit together.
There's a wave that is coming.
Okay.
The Lakers, the Lakers are showtime and white right now.
Okay, like Janus has the world on tilt.
Okay, like, hey, just take a look around at the landscape and who they are looking around and saying,
hey, we got a lot more basketball players who are playing fast-paced style,
sharing the ball, not talking shit.
This is turning into hockey on hardwood in a way that I don't think people are very aware of.
Just look at the basketball teams, man.
Just look at what's happening right now.
It's different.
It's super different.
It's different.
But coming up next, speaking of different,
do the bears have a squad and a coach and?
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It's Jason Goff.
Hey man, it was like a degree in Chicago on Sunday.
Yes.
And I had already decided that there was only, I haven't talked about how should do it
played in that game. I watched but so much it looked like
his boys dropped a couple of passes
that would have made things better.
But it was like a degree,
right? It's this third or fourth start, whatever it was.
I was not, there was only
but so much I was going to say about him based on
the performance unless he was excellent, right?
It just didn't feel like that would be fair.
But Caleb Williams, meanwhile,
was excellent against a defense
that we've all thought of as being pretty good.
Like with Miles Garrett out there on the field,
do you have the guy?
Yes, yes.
And there was a recalibration of the expectation.
Maybe, I'd say halfway through this assignment here with the 30-some-odd starts,
where it's like, okay, if he's smoking these layups this consistently,
then maybe it's that second-tier, top of the second-tier guy that in the NFL you can win with, obviously.
Yeah.
Look what's happening around the league.
Like, this is a hodgepodge of NFL quarterbacks who are really winning out here.
over these last couple of years.
But man, there are the plays, brother,
where you've seen as a Bears fan for years,
the Hawk chop that bitch down.
See for the night.
This is the first time that we've used the Hulk in a football context,
but that is the most appropriate use of the Hawk ever
because we are talking about not the feeling of the Hulk,
but the function of the Hawk.
Man, that wind off that lake,
with that degree telling you now it was the difference in the game in a large way for me
in shadour and Caleb like i've seen steve stintstrom and Craig Crenzel and and baseball players
chad Hutchinson all i've seen that shit knock passes down and it have to you know make a a
passing game very very elementary right to intermediate sometime Kyle long talked about it as well
He talked about how when he was a Kansas City chief, he asked the coordinator,
yo, what's happening here because the shit is crazy out here?
The weather's going wild.
And then the coordinator said, yeah, we got 15.
I ain't got worried about that.
That's the same kind of vibe that Caleb has given off.
Even in last season when they lost 10 games in a row.
They lost 10 in a row.
But against the Detroit Lions indoors, a real defense, he brought him back.
It was time management.
And this year, he's come back in games where it's like, you know what?
we're used to seeing those type of Bears games lost.
And the only thing that holds you back is that there will be moments
where you can see that he's counting steps instead of dancing with the offense
and not just letting that bitch rip.
But when he lets it rip, like there are certain plays.
The Zakeas touchdown the week before against the Packers
where it's like, that shouldn't happen.
Colston Loveland has become a dude who stays on his feet while catching the ball.
Coquemette has had that issue falling down.
He's hurt right now.
so hopefully he won't be out for too long.
But man, the dude puts the ball in places
that only five or six dudes in the NFL can.
And that hasn't been the case for Bears football for so long.
Like every 20 years, I get a good Bears team to enjoy.
Right?
Where there's 85, 05, and now 25.
But even with those, you've watched it with Rex Grossman
and Jim McMahon.
And the cat who had this kind of arm, nobody really,
I won't say nobody, but people didn't really.
really rock with the way that they should have.
The way they should have, that is interesting because he's just, Jay.
You're talking about Jay, I'm assuming.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like, I don't make it easy, bad.
I know, I know he doesn't.
I know he doesn't.
But I've also seen people put things aside for assholes when it's time to win in this
city.
But that tells me just how much of a jerk that people thought that Jay was, right?
Like, white dude with the super cold arm and people were still like,
Yeah. In fact, I feel like his brothers took up for Jay more than anybody else.
Yes, they did. Yes, they did. I still talk to 05 members of that 05 team.
And Jay, in a way that, you know, this city wasn't prepared for was like the first glance at what a star quarterback's activity is like.
And I think in that locker room and in that organization, you hadn't had to have one of those.
Like we're also right now, this city is learning how to deal with a star, like deal with a quarterback who is everybody's and not just yours, right?
Like Brian Erlacker was a star of that team.
And when you put another dude who is supposed to be the star, a bigger star than you in that locker room who also has the attitude of like,
it really don't matter.
You know, we'll get through this because he's been solely relying on his talent.
Then there's that friction there.
With this situation, Caleb Williams is, he is.
He has a certain amount of deference, but it's understanding that if I make them believe that they're more important than me,
I know I'm going to get my shit off because I know how cold I am, right?
He was asked about the throw of the back of the end zone where it could have been intercepted twice.
And DJ Moore goes up and gets it.
And, you know, a lot of people around these parts are making the connections to Joe Montana,
Dwight Clarks to catch him.
Like, hey, slow down.
This is being ridiculous.
But it looks similar because two people should have intercepted it.
He got asked about it being a risky throw, and he goes, I can make that throw.
Right?
You haven't had a person who talked like that and can actually do that in this city in forever.
So that's why I think not only is he that dude, I think, you know, I think before long,
and it might be by the end of this year, it might be middle of next year.
I think before long he's going to be the undoubtedly best quarterback in this division
because Jordan Love, you know, there's a lot of double agent to his game.
Oh, yeah, I hear you, boys.
It's a lot of double-aged to his game.
Being undoubtedly better than Jordan Love is going to be asking for a lot, a lot.
I think he will be.
I think he will be.
Look at Jordan in the playoffs.
Look at Jordan when they get cold.
Like, there's a different, it's a different vibe.
There's a different to me.
I'm looking forward to, like, this is the first time they played each other.
The Packers played the Bears twice in three weeks in like 30-some-odd years,
something crazy like that.
Like, it doesn't happen like this.
And for it to have so much on the line,
man, I think Caleb Williams is a dude who, you know,
who I've seen it at multiple stops, and this is just the next one.
You know, seeing Jordan, I didn't watch Utah State Games.
And what I've watched with Jordan Love as a pro has been excellent.
But when that light go out, there's a different demeanor back there with him.
After tough plays, after tough drives, after tough halves,
Jordan Love is a guy who I will put behind Caleb Williams when it comes.
comes to persevering. I will.
That is, that is interesting.
I will. We're going to see.
You see what came about to deal with last year and came out okay?
Shit. Go on.
I think you make fair points.
Like, I am high on Jordan Love.
Me too.
That's how I am killed, though.
Also, shout out to Big Brain Ben.
Big Brain Ben is getting it done.
Like, this is, they're getting, I feel like they do it a lot, getting a lot of coaches
wins with this team, right?
Like, the point differential does not indicate that this team is necessarily
that great, but they're getting it done.
And when Caleb wasn't that great,
they were still finding ways to get it done.
Big Ben,
that's heavy on the coach.
Big Ben, not only has been doing a good job,
but talent evaluation, man.
Like Airbnb got DeAndre Swift running a lot different
than he has the last two years.
Al Harris turned Nishon Wright into a pro bowl player
after being there a couple of different stops with him
on the practice squad and him saying,
yo, I got a dude, you give him a chance.
You know, the Bears have been without two of their top three or four defenders for most of the season.
Kyle Gordon has played, what, one or two games?
Jalen Johnson is back and is one of the best corners in the game.
But this year, he don't look like that because his muscle ripped off his adductor and he out here playing football.
Like the things that Al Harris and Eric Beinamy and Antoine Randallel, like Ben Johnson learned some things from Dan Campbell,
which is, hey, man, you open up this coaching pool,
and I mean, really open it up and give it to cats
who not only deserve it, but motivate people
in a way that certain cats can't.
Yeah, man, Al Harris created, I mean,
Nishon Wright is doing a great job on his own.
It should get personally rewarded,
but he is about to get financially rewarded
because Al Harris said this guy should be on the field
if we get a chance.
This dude's got the most turnover forced
in all of the NFL.
And they're doing this without a pass rush, too.
Like, there's so many, there's so many cracks and flaws in this team that the fact that the
quarterback is playing the way he is.
The fact that the coach is coaching the way he is, um, it is, it is something to see.
I thought this was maybe a seven or eight win team this year.
This team might end up 12 and five, man.
And in an NFL where you see so many teams not take advantage of things where it's like,
man, this, you know, Jacksonville is out here running roughshod on people because they're
taking advantage of, you know, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the football that Kansas City has, has played over.
the last few years.
The fact that Baltimore is down,
like Cincinnati's a mess.
Like there's certain teams that just jump up
and take advantage.
And you gotta,
you gotta be impressed with the coaching staff.
And that's what Ben Johnson
and this staff is done
with this Bears team.
I think the BNemi point is worth noting.
It ain't really look the same over there
in Kansas City since he left.
Right.
Maybe he's not a head coach,
but he was somebody over there.
You know what I mean?
Like, I can't.
He was calling out.
You know what I think it is?
When you have a certain amount of success, like I asked this of, I was talking to Scott Hansen from the NFL Red Zone, he's doing a feature piece on him.
And I asked him, like, are you a great show guy?
And immediately he goes to me, no, no, no.
And it was like a kindred spirit because I hate the people who say great show after every show.
It's like, no, we got to be more aware of our modifiers, our descriptors out here.
Like, you know when it feel great.
You know when you're grinding through something.
I feel like the Kansas City Chiefs have been grinding.
through something for the last couple of years, right? And, you know, it feels great, but you ain't got
nobody to be like, hey, this shit ain't great enough. I don't know if Matt Nagy's that guy, right?
Andy Reed, he's been coaching for so long that you can ask if you put a bunch of people in the
room and ask who's doing their job the best, how many hands going to go up before you think
Andy Reid's can go up this last couple of years. So Airbnb and some of these other guys who
ain't scared to make it a little uncomfortable, you need those cats, especially when it comes
to, you know, bumps in the road.
Like, you don't need them when everybody flying high and you're getting ready to pop champagne,
but when shit ain't right and nobody is acting like it ain't right, like Chris Jones had to
be explained to that they was out of playoff contention in the post game.
Like, he said, we still got a fighting chance, and the reporter's like, hey, no, no, no, no.
My man.
This was it.
This was it, player.
You know what I'm saying?
Yeah.
So, yeah, certain dudes, professional discomfort is necessary.
Everybody needs a truth of source.
Rex. Shout out to Carl Everett back in the day in that White Sides Club House who made everything
uncomfortable at all times, right? Well, hold on though. Hold on though. Did he call himself
the truth of sores Rex, Carl Everett? Because, you know, he don't think dinosaurs existed.
Existed. No, he didn't. A local cat, Joe Cowley, who was covering the team at the time,
called him that because I think he was making the play on the fact that Carl was just checking.
Just check.
Carl wasn't with that nonsense.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now, staying in your division,
something that I think is getting a little play,
but not quite enough play is it's been a lot coming out of Minnesota about JJ McCarthy.
And the people who feel like they did something wrong because they didn't keep Sam Donald,
I think that that's a stupid argument.
Like they drafted McCarthy.
That was their guy.
And Donald came apart at the end of last season.
He will probably come apart at the end of some other season.
Like, if they bet on the wrong horse, that's fine.
but that decision was made when they drafted J.J. McCarthy, period, right?
Yeah.
He has not been that good this year, but we've heard stuff about like he's got his own
quarterback coach who teaches him stuff completely different than the NFL team seems to be
teaching him.
He has been good in fourth quarters at points, but I mean, he's not looked good very much
when I've watched him, but they won this game on Sunday night against the Cowboys,
and he did a gritty into the end zone, and his head coach was furious, right?
His head coach was furious with him a couple weeks ago or maybe in the week before where they huddled when it was time to kneel it out because he almost messed that up.
Then they get in the post game and O'Connell is talking about he's talking about how he doesn't like the fact that the dude did the gritty into the end zone.
And by the way, for everybody needs to understand, he could have done the centipede into the end zone.
Nobody was anywhere near him.
He could have done whatever he wanted.
And the coach is still furious about this and then said something that's jumped out to me where he said something about, yeah, you know, he can move.
he always talks about that 40-yard dash that he didn't have to run.
And I'm like, oh, my God, they're taking notes on everything that they don't like
that you've done and said.
And they're bringing this shit up in front of other people.
They can't stand him.
Yeah, they don't rock with them in a way that's so weird, right?
Like, when you see this, I guess it's not weird, but when you see this, you start to think
who pulled the trigger on decisions when it comes to drafting and evaluation.
This is what happens when like area scouts stand on tables and go, hey, we shouldn't do this or we should do this.
And you're talking to that person every chance you possibly can get or when somebody's got the owner's ear, when somebody's got the GM's ear, it doesn't feel like COC feels like this is the route that they should continue to go.
And I'm interested because I've actually gone back and tried to read and listen to because I'm on this too.
what Sean McVeigh was saying about Jared Gough
at the end of the run
where you knew this was going to be the case
or what things have said about
Jimmy Garoppolo. Like there's, there are
people who look at quarterbacks and go
if this works, then
somebody is going to be a genius.
But then you look at guys and go,
this shouldn't be attempted.
Right? Like, drafting J.J.
McCarthy in the first round, like when I saw it,
I thought the mock drafts were saying,
I'm like, all right, this is where somebody's going to
obviously be wrong.
And then it was moving.
up and up. And then you start to get to that top 11, top 12 spot. I'm like, hey, man,
are we forgetting what these are supposed to feel and look like just because you're so
starved for it, right? But, but, but they were in the, hey, it's that system stuff, right? Like,
he look, if you're, if the, the platonic ideal for your system is Kurt Cousins, guys, guys,
think about this, right? But it's the same as the Falcons trading up to take pennix.
Go look at the quarterbacks that came in the, in the league this year.
right, it ain't here, right?
Look at next year.
Don't see him, right?
Like, Archmanning is not going to be in that draft.
Our guy Nate Tyson and people have been on his neck about this.
He said, if you watch the film,
Archmanning is the number one guy to come out in this draft.
I have not watched that much of late Arch
in the course of this season,
but I still feel confident saying even if he is,
even if he's been good,
if he's number one, this class ain't really hitting on nothing.
So like, how long, look at the Steelers.
The Steelers have been in that situation,
where it's been like, hey, ain't been no dude for us to take.
So we haven't really taken the guy.
And now we've seen what the results have been for them not having the quarterback.
So what do you do?
And I think the Vikings just looked and we're like, all right, we think we've got a guy who
who could run the system.
The problem is they got them and they don't like them.
It's not even about how good he is.
They don't like him.
So now we get to that redemptive story arc where, you know, you always see those
NBA teams who go, hey, somebody's got score points on this team until we get
ourselves a star, right?
Like, you mentioned Sam Darnel.
Are we going to start looking at quarterbacks like, hey, like how pitching coaches
looked at relievers, right?
Whereas like, hey, after that Tommy John, hey, I'm going to call you about a year
and a half and I know your elbows going to be where it's supposed to be and maybe even
better.
Like, do we look at Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold and all these guys?
Does it speak to not only the way quarterbacks are developed or lack thereof,
but also how we should be timing out, you know, these coaches.
hiring too. Like how many coaches get hired where they have to go through one year with a
quarterback they just don't rock with, right? And then to do it, do it again with a rookie.
I don't know, I don't know where, I don't know where this, this, this, this market is going to
settle at where who are the quarterbacks that you believe in in a way that you, you believe in
Aaron Rogers and the way that, like Josh Allen, right, Patrick Mahomes, but these are now the,
the senior dudes, right?
Dak Prescott are the senior cats?
Like, how many dudes in year six, right?
What's the question of Trevor Lawrence?
I was told he was the can't miss.
This is what a quarterback should look like.
It appears to be a beginning, by the way.
If last week was, granted, they were playing against air, right?
They were playing against the Jets.
But like, we are, but, you're right.
So let's think about this, right?
So do you have to hold on the coaches longer, right?
Well, I'm asking you this.
Let's make 2019.
the cutoff, as in you entered the league in 2019.
Okay.
Okay.
I'm looking at the list of teams now and it's going to go through quarterbacks.
And I'll do my best on remembering who's who, right?
But Tua is 2020 draft.
We don't feel good about him, right?
Drake May, as of this moment, we do, right?
Justin Fields got splinters in his keister.
They put him on the oak.
Jackson Dart,
he keeps getting his egg scramble, number one,
but number two, I'm not as sold as other people anyway.
I give him an incomplete, right?
I think that's going to be like a Jeff Garcia kind of career arc
where it's like there's going to be five years where it looks crazy,
but there's going to be too much rough and tumble football going on for you to sustain.
Jalen hurts.
We don't know what to do.
We still don't, right?
We just, I don't even need to talk about it, right?
We all, everybody knows what it is.
Or they don't, and that's the point.
Dayton Daniels, we're going to have to see if he can stay healthy, right?
We mentioned this before.
We had this conversation was coming into this year.
And Commanders fans still on my ass about him.
Like, hey, man, he's lighten the ass.
Yeah.
He swallowed in Ryan Tannerhill.
And Ryan Tannenhill was getting broken up in the NFL.
Yeah.
Joe Burrow sounds like he doesn't want to do this anymore.
For them.
He sounds.
For them.
We all know.
We all know.
I remember when we said that when he got drafted and people were getting mad at us and we're like, bro, y'all must be young.
You might not want to play there, right?
And he, he looked so bad.
He looked bad in the game and sad in the presser.
That is a terrible side.
You imagine wasting all that swag on a losing ass team in Cincinnati?
All of it.
All of it.
Now, your division got all the post-19s.
You got Caleb Williams.
You got Jordan Love and you got J.J. McCarthy.
I think we've run through all of those guys.
CJ Stroud, I still feel good about.
Yeah, I think there's going to be a long span of time
where he is, you know, top tier, top second tier dude.
Yes.
A guy who could win an MVP.
Like in the way Matt Ryan won an MVP, you know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
I mean, Matthew Stafford, two-time pro bowler, Matthew Stafford,
is probably going to win an MVP this year and get to his third pro bowl.
People like, like I hate on Stafford when I compare him to Carson Palmer,
but I'm like, no, no, no, no, no.
comparing three-time pro bowler, Carson Palmer,
to two-time pro-bole or Matthew Stafford
does not feel that all the talent in the world
played for teams that you thought weren't that good for a stretch.
So forth and so-off.
Anyway, I'm belabor in the point.
Daniel Jones is a 2019, and he's still Daniel Jones,
and he tour as Achilles.
Carson Palmer, not Jacksonville, Trevor Lawrence.
It's getting there.
Cam Ward, I mean, bless his heart, man.
I don't even know what to say.
Michael Pinnock's even before.
another injury, I was not sold.
Bryce Young, I am not sold.
Tyler Shuck, I am not sold.
Bo Nix looked great on Sunday.
I am not sold.
Me neither.
I can't, I can't.
Yeah, the Bo Nix thing is like,
Bo Nix's going to mess around and win a Super Bowl.
I'd be like, you know what?
Do it again.
You know, like Eli, Eli Manning, right?
Where it was like, you know what?
Hey, do it again.
And in fact, I need a third one.
I need a third one from him.
You need a third one.
Herbert still not sold.
See, that's the guy that I am higher on than most people that I hear.
Like, I heard, I hear Nick Wright talk about Justin Herbert and it makes me, it's hilarious
because you think that he has out for him and he's got some salient points.
But I just see Justin Herbert.
I'm like, that should be, that has no.
Should be.
Should be.
Also, part of it with Justin Herbert is, you know, our boy, Parko is a big Justin Herbert
guy.
And therefore, Nick is a little.
It's a little obligated.
Yeah, yeah.
Division, you know, all that.
Kyle of Murray, they're done with that at the Cardinals.
I'll be very curious to see where he turns up.
If I'm the Steelers, I take him.
If I am the Giants,
anybody that doesn't have a quarterback,
you could do a lot worse than Kyle.
How long the Steelers going to play that game of we're just going to get a veteran quarterback?
Where else they're going to get a quarterback from?
That's just what we're talking about.
They're going to get Diego or Francisco Mendoza?
But don't you have to restart a franchise every once in a while?
They're trying to, but can he pick it?
Oh, they did.
Yeah, they've already tried the, I guess we'll go get one now program.
I feel go get Kyle.
Like, I think getting Kyle Murray is much different than getting Aaron Rogers or getting
Russell Wilson or getting Justin Fields.
Yeah, but if you get Kyle Murray prepared for Mike Tomlin and retire.
Yeah, well, the problem is, you know, nobody likes him for whatever that's worth.
That's what I'm saying.
Brock Purdy and Mac Jones.
They got.
Listen, Kyle Shanahan at some point,
and we're going to be like, hey,
his daddy made running backs,
this man has made quarterbacks in a way that I still don't believe.
Like, the 49 is being 10 and 4 is one of those things
where I'm like, how does this happen?
Why is this happening?
And is the NFL product this year better than the NBA?
Because I can't see it.
I don't, here's my problem with Kyle Shanahan, man.
I don't want no coach.
so wedded to his system that he think,
here's how he like quarterbacks.
I think I've talked about this on the pod before,
but if not, I'm going to have to edit this.
But those you who know the routine
will know what I'm talking about,
and you know the routine too,
you being a Chicago guy.
He liked him like Robin Harris, like him.
Why?
Because he could just be like,
Robert Harris said he like an ugly woman
because he just come in the house
and be like, hey, I'm going to the moon.
I'll be back in a couple of days.
say pretty woman got too many questions.
She just been like, oh, yeah, I'm going to the moon.
I'll be back in a couple days.
She just like, well, you be careful, right?
That's Kyle Shadhan.
Nah, he's like, nah, you don't necessarily like him ugly,
but he like him like a slice of white bread.
Like, that's just, that's, that's how he like him.
You don't want to hot sauce on it?
No, no, no, no.
Just give him that slice of white bread.
If you just do exactly what he say,
then eventually he gets tired of white bread.
And then he'd go put a little spice on it.
Then he's like, man, you'll go get me another piece of that white bread.
And then he'd get right back to eat.
that white bread, that Wonderbread.
That's what he'll buy.
And if it leaves you, and if you leave you, you're good, by the way.
Right, but then he go, and then he go pay $50 million for the Wonder Bread.
And Ryan is telling me that, yes, in fact, I have done this before.
But still, it works in line with this discussion.
Like, but you're right, this, the stars younger than Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen.
Like, just keep it in mind, Joe Burrow is older than Lamar Jackson.
So we think we may have it with Jane Daniels, if he's a little light in the
Keister. We think we may have it with Drake May. We think we may have it with Caleb Williams,
right? But it's a lot of time for it to go off the rails with those cats. And how easily or
quickly did it happen with the other folks that we've seen? Like, we knew Patrick Mahomes is
Patrick Mahomes, you know, at the end of that first year, where it's like, oh, okay, this is this is what
you were sitting behind. All right. This is what you own. This is a gold mine, right? Like, how many guys
did it take two or three years for us to, four years for us to be like,
that second contract for it to be like, eh, I don't know.
Well, Josh Allen.
The Stefan Diggs year was what?
The third year?
Year three.
But that's a weird year because it was the pandemic year or whatever it was.
But those first two years, this was not certain.
It was, it was not certain at that point.
Lamar Jackson, he hit it pretty quick.
Like I think we all agree on that one.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, but then you have guys like Tua and Justin Herbert
where it looked okay early,
and then it wasn't long before we were like,
I don't know.
I was never sold on the Tua thing,
whether it be the stature,
whether it be the arm strength,
or the overall demeanor.
Like, I always thought that, you know,
once, one, he was, you know,
a little bit too deferential, two, you know,
if you can't command the way that you got to command
in those professionals,
settings, like what's going to happen when the seas get a little choppy?
Like, I was never really head on, like, this tour thing is going to be one of those top
five, top six quarterbacks for the long haul.
But like you said, right now in college, like I was told that Kate Klubnick and all
these other cats were going to be great at the top of the season.
And I watch, even the Lenore Sellers kid, like, there's a whole bunch of tape where it's like,
man, this man is outstanding.
This man is amazing.
I guess I've been watching college football in a way in the 80s and the 90s.
where if you was that dude, it was going to jump off the screen and you were going to lift teams that wasn't shit for, you know, at least a couple of years.
There were so many quarterbacks in college football this year where I'm like, man, what are NFL teams going to do?
You're going to have to go through the retreads.
You're going to have to find, you know, JJ McCarthy.
I believe in you the second time around, you know, you're going to have to go, you know, kick the tires on Anthony.
Like, this is why the Anthony Richardson thing is so wild because with all the things that have happened, you know, the or.
orbital bone fracture and taking yourself out the game, man, I promise you two years from now,
whenever that deal is up, a year from now, somebody going to be like, hey, man, would you like
to play football with that body you got?
Oh, you know who's about to ask him if he liked to play football with that body he got next year?
The Indianapolis coach.
That's who?
What thing when you think you think Phil Rivers' old ass coming back next year?
I don't think he's coming back, but when a commodity is this.
They say Anthony Richardson is ready to practice.
again. And you know they don't want that. They don't want to play them.
When a commodity has been beating down like that, can you build it back up in the same building?
They are going to have no other choice.
Like this is, I mean, look, I saw Kurt Cousins be terrible and get seated and then come back
and turn into a decent player within the same spot. Like, the thing that always got me about
the Kyle Shanahan loves Kurt Cousin's thing is, buddy, you benched him too. He was terrible when he
played for you. Right. Right. And then it came back around.
So, I mean, they're not going to have any other choice for the Colts next year.
Like, I don't think Daniel Jones plays the next year.
And if he does, he needs to be able to move and he's got a devastating mobility injury.
I mean, I think it's just good.
This is why it is great to say this and you need to be able to capitalize on these moments
because you don't know when they're going to happen again.
It is great to be in the position as a Chicago Bears fan where the quarterback position is as
stable as it is right now.
I don't know what I'm going to be able to say that again, brother.
You know?
You're so nervous.
You think you might not be able to say it in that week.
Hey, listen.
The wow freestyle, Kendrick Lamar,
oh, you say you got a bad one.
I can tell you never had one.
This entire city, this entire city has not walked around
with a bad one on their arm in forever.
You feel me?
Forever.
You're talking about Robin Harris.
We've been working in the factory where, you know, like,
hey, man, one eye is enough.
You know what I mean?
Come on to the crib.
$3.0.
Hennessy night.
You feel?
Like, we've been, we've been loading up on, we've been loading up on good eating,
but, you know, we ain't no fine dining when it comes to the quarterback position.
You know, a lot of stews.
But not, you know, not a lot of lobster.
That's fine diet is.
That is an amazing line.
Yeah.
I have to remember that for a lot.
Yeah.
You know the vibes, man.
Like, we've been, it's been, it's been tough.
So when you see Bears fans, like,
There's a Bears den, the family den on the south side of Chicago.
There's an entire group and a contingent of black Bears fans that are rejoicing on a Sunday in a way that we've been trying to for so long, right?
So long.
This ain't the socks.
This ain't the bulls.
This ain't the, you know, worry about the Black Hawks and the Cubs because, you know, we don't matriculate to those areas as much as we can and should.
But, man, under this umbrella with this gang, shit.
We've been looking at a lot of.
mediocre for a long time.
So for it to feel this way, for us to be on a precipice of like people talking about a
quarterback in that manner, man.
It feels good not to have to watch the drafts or watch college football in a way where
you scouting quarterbacks every goddamn week.
Good for you, fellas.
Good, good, good for y'all.
Yeah, man.
Good for you.
Thank you.
Thank you, I appreciate you.
That is Jason Goff.
Check him out in Chicago, just being happy.
You know what I'm saying?
Walk around happy, baby.
There we go. I appreciate your brother.
Always, man. Thank you so much.
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