The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Jason Goff on Victor Wembanyama's MVP Push, NBA's 65-Game rule, Jay-Z's disappointing interview | 03.26

Episode Date: March 26, 2026

Victor Wembanyama might already be the story of the NBA season — but is he actually the MVP? Bomani and Jason Goff dig into Wemby’s rise, the 65-game rule, how we talk about MVPs, all‑NBA, money, and legacies, and why this era of basketball feels so different from the one they grew up on. They also get into Dominique Wilkins vs. “loser” talk, James Harden’s reputation, Anthony Edwards’ legend run, and what happens when Jokic and the Nuggets have to deal with Wemby in a real series. Then Bomani and Jason break down Jay‑Z’s new GQ interview — billionaire talk, “I didn’t get here by taking advantage of people,” the myth of Hov, capitalism, and why sometimes it’s actually okay to “just be a rapper.” Finally, Bo brings Jason one of the wildest, most uncomfortable news stories you’ve ever heard: a quadruple‑amputee cornhole star accused of murder, how TV news tried (and failed) to play it straight, and what that says about media, curiosity, and basic honesty. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time, a wave original. My name is Bobani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast. Thanks for watching us on YouTube. Subscribe, like, rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm inclined to believe you are a hater. Hanging out with Jason Golf on a Thursday.

Check him out at the athletic. What's going on, man? Hey, man, how you doing? I'm always glad to be on the show. And also, you know, I listen and I touch you about things. Great stuff with Bob Costa's brother. Appreciate it. I'm really happy that there's someone rapping for this weird age group of NBA fans that we're in

where it's like you can Jordan Stan if you want, but you're also close to the LeBron stand. So like you're in that middle and how like amazing that time was. And also like a time where you could root for players that you knew never going to win a championship. Yes, it was okay. It was okay to have your guy. Right. Mitch Richmond was cool.

You know what I'm saying? Now it's like James Harden. His whole career is a failure. You're like, he scored 36 points in game once in season. Dominique Wilkins never got past the second round. Still be shutting down tomorrow. My favorite non-bull player of all time.

Dominique. Yeah, yeah, man. It was cool. It was cool back. I think of some of it is coming back now with these kids and, you know, the streamers and the little Melancho. balls of the world, like this new wave of how people are consuming, but

I appreciate it, because listening to Bob talk about him, like, yeah, I remember Peter Vessie was like, he was like a villain with a pen. You know what I mean? You just hit on a thought, right? That is interesting, because it's a thin line between a loser and somebody

who never won. Right? I have never thought of Dominique Wilkins as a loser. I could see the argument one could make about James Harden. I will not call him a loser because if he wanted to shoot me for that, like, I'm not saying he would be right, but I wouldn't be surprised, right? So I'm not going to recall him a loser. However, I have seen him be the cause of some losses in some very significant places, right? Um, but yeah, there's a whole rack of guys a wave of guys that for whatever reason,

like, nobody's like, man, that George Gervin. I guess they won the ABA, but nobody's like, yeah, that George Gervin. That guy never won an NBA championship. I do wonder what we would have said about Dr. J if 1983 had not happened, right? But how many guys we got right now that are of that tier and just, I mean,

I think there's two lines, there's playing for a championship in just about every great player. has played for a championship, and that's the greatest knock against Dominique, is that all the great ones at least got to the finals, right? James Harton has never been to the finals. Like, who are the guys that have never been to the finals?

That list is not long. Yeah, yeah, and all the, well, you know, we do the, the Barclay thing, but because he's been... He got to the finals. He got to the finals with Phoenix, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. See, I... The post-joy...

world that we live in and what it did to load management, what it did to contracts, what has done to legacy and how we talk about them. Like, you know, and also the Kobe, you know, factor as well, whereas, like, if you didn't win anything or if you didn't win this many, you won't be respected. And then you get the guys who go to the one and win it or go to two and win one. Like, for instance, Anthony Edwards in this, in this mold that he's in now, fantastic, terrific player. There's something happening in San Antonio that's about to take off while the Minnesota thing is saying where it is in a good way, but not championship feelings. If Anthony Edwards

goes a decade and don't make it to one. Right. What we're going to say, Anthony wasn't cold? Hey man, and look, Anthony Edwards got to where he got one year. We're called Anthony Towns as his right-hand man. And the next year, with Julius Randall is the right-hand man, two guys who were traded for one another. Specifically, I believe, because, each team thought they couldn't win with the one they had. Right. Right. And they went and they probably talked them dudes up in the trade.

Oh man, that's just a salary thing. You know what I mean? Like we've got to stay out of the tax. You're getting a great one here, man. I promise you. You know, they talked about that shit when they made that move. But Anthony Edwards getting to, he is the legend killer, right? Like he went through and he knocked down, name all the guys that he went through in

order to get there, all his heroes in order to get to that conference final. And now, Victor, who's out here making the why I'm the MVP case that is pretty compelling, they've never won a playoff series before. There's no way that one could truly reasonably say that they believe the spurs are going to win a championship because that is the most unprecedented thing we've ever seen. The closest thing that I could point to to that is the Boston Celtics in 2008, where that was the first year of that team. But it was old dudes. You know what I mean?

Like it was dudes with some miles on with some experience built around three guys in their 30s. That's not what we're talking about here in San Antonio, but the Celtics didn't have anybody that was eight feet tall. Now, so the issue I might have is did that Celtic squad like, Kevin fell on his face. Ray did what he had to do in Seattle and didn't go as far as he wanted to Richard Lewis. And Paul was with

I mean, there was a time where Paul was with Antoine Walker and we were like, man, these two dudes are cold, but they're not winning enough. So they all went to this. I mean, they've been to a conference final? Right, right, right. So they went through their struggles separately and got thrown together. Like, that NBA lore of like you got to fall down before you win the championship.

I mean, Mike did it, right? Detroit. Like, people talk about Mike, like there wasn't game five in 89. or 80, I think it was 88, where it was like, that's not the way you want to go out, right? Victor is sitting back like, first of all, it seems like so long ago that we were talking about, people on his team don't know he the best player. And that was his first year. Yeah.

They all out of there. They figured it out. They figured it out, right? And now, Safarne Caswell, he's popping up like, hey, man, this dude is a lot better than he had ever shown at Yukon. And he was the number two, what, number two pick? if I'm not mistaken, right? So it's like, man, I don't know how to view this going forward, especially with the glut of young NBA talent

and now the old heads who are like, all right, now Lucas got to go to another one. Shea Gildedith Alexander is now a, you know, a prime veteran with a bunch of young dudes around him who's already been to one and won one. Like, this is uncharted territory for the youth that is about to just take over. and also the young, I say the prime veterans who still need to win one, right?

Yeah. But Victor is the born superstars are rare. Right? And I don't just mean superstar in the sense of how good a player is. I mean in terms of grasping and appreciation, the magnitude of everything that goes into being you, right? not just, I'm going to dominate on the floor, getting their little fan section going and all of that stuff, right?

Showing up at the All-Star game and making everybody play hard because you don't want to get your shit tossed by this eight-foot-tall monster, right? Like, completely changing the everything around everything that he touches, right? He understands what it means to be a superstar in this league.

He's that guy. He made that call. And he enjoys defeating people. Like he enjoys it. You got enough asshole. Yes, yes, yes. Like beating people is what he's in this for. And he wants this MVP.

Like, this is interesting. He, is he the MVP? I don't know if statistically you can make the argument, right? He's going to make it to the 65 game mark. plays eight more games and they have 10 left. So I'm assuming that he's going to get out there. They are the two seed in the West, which none of us thought that they were going to be.

In a season where it looked at a point like Oklahoma City was going to win 75 games, except for the fact that Spurs went out there and tossed them three times in a row, right? He's the story for this postseason. The West is looking incredible, but he's he's the thing to look at. That's it.

I'll never forget having an argument on air with Rodney Harrison during the Cam Newton MVP run that season where I'm like, hey, man, for me, there's simple metrics. There's the advanced stuff. But sometimes you just got to ask, who was this season about? Who's the season about? And the slow burn that has been this Victor Wend Binyama season, where it's been fantastic things damn near every night,

but it's like, oh, yeah, he did another fantastic. Like, we're getting used to it in a way where, you know, prime Janus, like early prime Janus. He was like, this dude putting up shack numbers and he's running fast breaks and all. Man, that, that 80-foot pass that he caught with one hand slung it to Deer and Fox in the corner, pocket pass, Deere and Fox catches the ball. And Dea's like, no, no, no, you eight feet and your second jump is as quick as any wing in this league. I'm just going to throw it back up there as soon as you.

come down. Like the shit that he is doing, bro, like, I, when I heard LeBron was coming from Sonny Vicaro on a telephone car where he was like, I got the greatest player of all time in my camp. That's the way I felt when, I'm like, all right, the Victor one bandiama

thing is coming and then you start checking it out. And he's like, no, no, no. This ain't just happening against cats who like smoked cigarettes throwing. Like, you know that old European like stuff we throw on it? No, this is coming. And the fact that it's landed and He's doing this, first of all, with many restrictions in the beginning.

And now the target is squarely on his back. LeBron's saying in the All-Star game and everybody can read the language because this is how these dude feel is fuck Wendy. Yeah, he can't make us play hard. No, everyone feels that way and you still can't do nothing about it. Yeah, I'd say it is though. Where everybody lands in the standings is going to be interesting because the Lakers are playing themselves into the three. they're a game and a half ahead of Denver. Where to me it gets interesting with the spurs

is if the Nuggets wind up in that three, get to the second round, and now Victor's got to deal with the guy, I still say it's the best player in the NBA is Yolk. I don't know how, like that will be very interesting because I don't feel like we've seen them play against each other a lot if I'm not mistaken. Like it feels like I think it's the nuggets that Yogesh don't play them games.

And I think it's just because they try to hold it out, right? They're not trying to give that monster any ability to adjust and to figure out what to do. Like, this is, this is it. But I brought him up in part because I'm seeing people talk about the 65 game limit on whether you can win MVP or make all NBA or win the awards. And it's so funny because I swear I was here when they put the rule in and I did not hear all this complaint. So I hated it immediately. Yeah. But right fast.

You know I write about not saying. No, not the complaining. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but the complainers, all of a sudden, now everybody hated it. I believe that you did. Yeah, so too many people try to make basketball what they knew it to be. And there's a game that evolved. I don't think any game has evolved past the limits or the definitions of what it used to be more so than basketball, right?

football can change rules every single year, and it don't matter because it's football. And we're going to find a way to figure it kickoff rules, this, that, and the other. Like, you know, I remember when it wasn't a halo on punt returns, right? Like, things change because the evolution of the game is accepted. With what's happening now, all the space and pace stuff, all the, you know, you got dribble handoffs happening 45 feet away from the basket to make the best athletes in the world go downhill at crazy speeds.

When the game says, hey, man, these cats are breaking down, one, because they're playing more basketball than ever, two, because Pose Jordan, nothing but a championship matters, and we're paying these dudes, exorbitant amounts of money, so the regular season has been, you know, kind of brought down a couple of notches. This 65 game stuff immediately, I was like, all right, one, you either going to have cats playing games they shouldn't be playing, or getting back to the MVP conversation. we're going to lose the journal of his season, the story of his season. You mean to tell me Kay Cunningham, if he only played 62, 63 games,

he wasn't one of the best three guards for these all-MBA teams, first and third teams? But, but, but we know this was never about that logic. We know what basically happened. The people on the internet basically accuse these dudes of faking injuries. right? Like, like, or being lazy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or just just the general idea of low management, right? Like they, they, they, but the idea was these guys are healthy enough to play and they're not playing.

Therefore, we need to find a way to induce this effort, right? Because effort is not an observable variable, right? You, you have to induce it. So how are we going to induce this? We're going to induce it by putting. these restrictions on these awards, but not because of the awards, because of the money that was associated

with the awards in terms of awarding supermax contracts. Right? That was the reason they did it. And now what they found out is, no, man, these dudes really be hurt, man. Like, you know, and maybe it's some quirky stuff, like a collapsed love for Cade Cunningham that is not an overuse.

issue, right? Like that's not, that's not why we're here. But people wanted the guys to play more games. And the NBA made a decision that to me was about winning a press conference and telling the fans, we want these guys to play more games to. And don't you worry, we're getting on the case because people wanted them to get on the case. Then they got on the case. And now people are like, man, we ain't even want that. Man, what is this? This is stupid. Now, to me, where it's interesting is that for the MVP, this was always going to enforce itself. There's only been one MVP in an 82 game season who played few in the 65 games. Like, this is not an award that we give people who don't play

games. And the only one that was, by the way, was Bill Walton in 78, coming off the championship when the players still voted, by the way, and the players were clearly sick. of voting for Kareem Abdul-Jabbar. Like, that's what that came. And he played 58 games that season. That's it. 58 games in the course of that season. That's the only time it had ever happened.

This was about all-MBA team and defensive player of the year to try to hold up Katz money, right? That's all it was. But then they wind up in a year where all the best players is missing a gang of games. Now, my question is, If we didn't have this 65 game thing in there, was it throwing out there? Would we give the MVP to somebody

who only plays 60 games? Like, will we do it? I have a hard time seeing that happen. Yeah, yeah. Again, you got to be the story of the season. Like, even with Yolkich, you know, the voter fatigue and all those things fly in there as well. I mean, you know, the money aspect really sucks, right?

It wasn't it Clay Thompson who missed an all-MBA vote because one report. or voted, you know, some other way and, and he missed the Supermax contract. Like, when you start messing with dudes money, then we're talking a different, a different ball of wax. I just don't know how you fix it, man. I don't know how you fix it. I don't know what you can do.

I don't know the restrictions and parameters you can place on basketball outside of your league because, like I said, you know, there were people here in this city that knew how much basketball Derek Rose was playing, right, as a young kid. Right? And how much, you know, not just the AAU stuff, but just how much ball he was playing. Even though he wasn't playing pickup ball at 5-0-5, he was out here, you know, and he was wrapped up.

Yeah. He had all the arm sleeves and all the knee sleeves before you even got to Memphis. So I don't know what it is you can do for the greater basketball story and the observer feeling more fulfilled. And on top of it, man, like the NBA MVP is still an MVP that, like, means something. Yes.

You know, like baseball, obviously. Football, you know, cool. But there's years where the MVP has been like, oh, yeah, that got won an MVP. And it hasn't been the story of the season. Only Hall of Famers win MVP. Like, the only MVP that is probably not going to make the Hall of Fame is Derek Rose.

Yeah. Literally, every other one. You win a scoring championship in the NBA. You're going to the Hall of Fame. They're all into. Like this is, this, yeah, this is, there is no Brian Syke on the list of NBA Hall of Famers. There's no Terry Pendleton on the list of NBA Hall of Famers. It's just, it's not, that's not, NBA MVP's I mean, that's not, that's not how it works.

Yeah. Now, and now with this next wave of dudes, like, the whole Wimby thing and everybody in sports should be keeping their fingers crossed, it obviously helped. You see a man that big, you know, first thing you think about is defeats, right? You go back to Sam Bowie, you go back to Ralph's fans, and you go back to Bill Walton, right, Joel M.B., like, first thing you think of a man over 7 foot one, seven foot two is hopefully the lower extremities hold up, right?

And he's spindly as it is, but it's not like he's always in the paint, not like the paint is what it used to be in terms of physical contact. But, yeah, man, I can't see myself, I can't see myself thinking in the future, especially how normalized missing games have become. I can't see myself thinking, ah, you know, and Wimby only got two MVP because of that damn 65 game rule. So he really isn't one of the greats. Like all of our lenses are changing in real time.

And I think we're in this crossroads of like how will history talk about this time of basketball where, you know, and also, let's face it. There are more people who play the game that are talking about the game than ever, than ever. Like our orators used to be reporters. It used to be big voice guys and girls out there who talked about the game. Now is dudes who are actually in the game who, after they get out five years later, seven years later, tell you, hey, man, I was mailing it in that last half of that season. Boy, I was bad, this, that, and the other.

So there's this, there's this breaking down of the fourth wall that I think a lot of fans are privy to that detracts or takes away from some of the lore that we kind of grew up with thinking like, all right, cool. like the 82 game seasons that Jordan played in a row where he played all the games, all the playout games, all these other things. And then we look back and like, all right, but guys had 15, 14 year runs. And now 17 to 20 year careers are like unrealistically the norm for stars. Yeah.

But brother, here's the thing. Again, that assumes that the point of this is about making people worthy of the awards. And that's, and that's not it. they just want to, look, you can trust the voters to get it right. You know what I mean? Like, like, if the voters are there, they clearly have figured out on their own. Even Joel NB, they're, he won the MVP, 66 games, right? Like, although I think if I'm not mistaken, the rule was in place.

And they, and see, but see, that, that, that is one of those that gets you into the idea that, well, maybe we're going to be able to drag some people out here and get them to play. But, no, they're going to be interesting. Got Joe rocking out there like Willis Reed. Like, y'all in. Slap that table, get in. Get your ass back out of here. Something yeah.

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there's a long-running meme, what would you rather have? Insert dollar amount. We'll call a 500,000 here. $500,000 or dinner with Jay-Z. And the idea is that all that game that Jay-Z would give you over the course of dinner

would be worth more than $500,000. And Joel is like, no, after I read that interview, you just need to take. $500,000. Before I read that interview. You kidding me? I mean, we knew it before, but it was definitely solidified after reading that interview.

You're talking about stands? I know, you know, you got a stand situation. Then, listen, I am a whole stand that am in this realm now as a LeBron fan, too. I'm like, hey, man, you got it. Like, all right, cool. You did it. You did it, player. Like, you got as much.

Hey, you're a billionaire two times over. Like, I get it. You're cold. Hey, thanks for the vulnerable album, you know, 444, the tough listen. Like, I'm with you, Pam. The 17-minute God did verse, you're still cold. You know what I mean? You can still wrap your ass off.

I sat there and I was like, hey, what am I going to get from it? And I saw the video as well. And I'm like, oh, he just hit you with the parables. He hit you with the parables. He hits you with the, and the best thing. he hit you with the usual suspects again where it's like, I'm going to talk about the system. And then be the system at the same time.

Yo, the amazing thing about Jay-Z is he is very invested in the building of the myth of Jay-Z. He is not the only person in such a position, though he has access to tools in order to do so, right? Now, I want to be fair to all parties involved that if that interview ever had the chance to being tough, it was never going to take place. And for those who don't know, it's 30 years since Jay-Z's first album, Reasonable Doubt.

It's 25 years since his other, the two albums that people generally speak of is the two-best J-Z albums, a reasonable doubt. The blueprint came out in 2001. He's doing a couple concerts at Yankee Stadium around this. Apparently now he's added a third one. He's going to the Roots picnic. Like, this is a year of Jay-Z. And I don't know if Jay-Z is selling something else, right?

like if there's an album that's coming with it, presumably that's going to happen. But the reason I'm not so sure about that or it doesn't. I don't think these are vehicles to sell an album. I think these are vehicles to sell the legend of Jay-Z. Right? Because I don't think there's not that much money in making music anymore. He doesn't need an album to do the tour or to do a tour or to do these concerts. He's got these other things.

He is about building the idea or the notion of Jay-Z. and people want to feel like one of us got to the top and that Jay-Z is an example of that, right? But I saw Jay-Z say in this interview that he got to where he was. It was him pushing back on the idea that billionaires are inherently bad, an idea that he doesn't understand,

but we'll get to that in a minute, right? But he had the gall to say the words, I didn't get here by taking advantage of people. And I'm like, you sold crack to your mother. You told me that. Like 444 was the vulnerable album. Absolutely, right? Yeah.

But he makes the point in there that, or he made the point of interview I thought was interesting, but he was like, well, no, I talk about when I take losses. I have songs like regrets. and you must love me. No, you must love me is entirely about how terrible you were and you still keep winning

with the people to whom you were terrible, right? Regrets is like... Didn't he shoot a family member and you must love him? Yes, yes, yes. It ran into the night as if it was not his family. That was what he said.

Regrets, the whole point of regrets is, hey, baby, if you try to win, got to do some shit. Hey, that's what it is. But I'm just like, you're right. He is the system. Like his goal, was clearly to become part of this system because there is no countercultural billionaire.

It doesn't work that way. No, no. So throughout when the Colin Kaepernick thing was going down and there was a moment there that it was reaching a boiling point because the NFL had positioned they be as, okay, this will be our conduit. This will be our vessel to help people understand. in the urban environments and, you know, black folks and rap, rap heads and hip hop lovers and anybody of the culture that, hey, we are making our strides. There was a moment there where a lot of people were like, you know what, this is where I get off.

This is where we start talking about performances that have time being more important than, you know, because the whole, what was the statement, we don't have to kneel anymore or, you know, that kind of vibe. Right. From that. Yeah, we're beyond kneeling, right? And from that moment on, the, the, the, the underworld of Jay-Z hate started to rise to the surface of like, hey, man, you can't just be the most, you know, ball in his dude, have the greatest life and tell us about it all these years. And then on time it'd be like, hey, Tom, time to be all to cut this shit out.

It felt like the homie coming back to the block. Like, hey, man, y'all still doing this bullshit out here, man. I tried to get you into that real estate seminar two weeks ago that I was throwing and you decided not to. I guess you just love being broke. I'll catch you later. And then you just see the smoke from the exhaust from the bins, like fly up in everybody's face. You know what I mean?

Do you remember when he tried to get Marcy on the crypto? Yes. Yes. It wasn't enough that you used to sell. them crack. Now you want to sell them funny money. Funny money. Right? Like that, like, now you're trying to get, now you try to get them on the, on the funny money. Like, this is. And I love the music, right? I grew up around people who were in those kinds of, you know, ventures, shall we say. Like, I got reasonable doubt when it

came out as a kid because one of the homies is like, yo, check this out. This is, this is like a diary of what really goes down. And I'm like, oh, this is outstanding. I thought I was like a niche fan club kind of thing. And then volume one, he blows up. But man, to see where this thing is now, like all the Bob Marley, like, likenesses and references and the, the, the, the, the, the way that he's

being photographed these days, like, I love the fact that he's gotten older and still doesn't give a shit about what he doesn't, to have to give a shit about. Like, that's what he's telling you in this, in this interview. Like, hey, yeah. You know what it is?

It's the last dance. Hold on, no. Hold on, no. But he does still give a shit about what we think of him, which he also doesn't have to think about. But he's very much concerned with it. It's the last, it's the last dance kind of vibe.

Yeah, but, but like, so let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, let me, social media platforms. Somebody had posted the video. of him at the Unplugged show in, I guess it was 03 doing, 02 or O3, I can't remember which.

But he's doing takeover, right? And the roots, you know, chop put in all the beats, you know, from the other cats, whatever. And I, it was the Che Guevara era where he's wearing the Che Guevara T-shirt. And then he gets on the black album and he says, I Che Guevara would bling on. I'm complex. And it's like, brother.

and I mean this, Che Guevara would murder you and tell everybody about it to prove a point. Like, that is not... That's not what this is, right? And so I bring that up to say, I don't think he understands

the critiques of capitalism, right? And where it got weird for Jay in terms of how many people receive him, obviously not everybody. is the fact, and I said this around during COVID, I was like, it's going to be really interesting to see how we view him now that the idea of being super rich isn't as popular as it used to be. And his whole brand is being Apex Predator Capitalist.

The most noble thing about Jay-Z has always been that he was rich. Right. That was the brand from 1996 on. He changed the game in rap as he was the first dude to come out, zero to presenting as rich immediately. Nobody got to present as broke anymore, right? Like, Saul's about that. No, no, no.

You need to be rich right now. You need to have all them chains and shit right now. You couldn't talk about your cherry red pathfinder like leaders of the new school did. No, no. He was like, yo, man, what is what is that? You know, a 4.0? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You only drive in a $100,000 truck.

4.0 wasn't good enough, right? Your base model range rover. Dude, I'm over here. What are you talking about? Like, that's the person that he gave and that's the person that he presented. And so he doesn't know when people started hitting back and were like, hey, man, you know, the idea that anybody could ever have this much money is actually quite problematic. He can't reconcile that it's not the same people fully who praised you for being rich. He was like, yeah, man, you know, I thought being a capitalist was good in America.

That's not the people who's talking to you right now about this. but they are the people that you often claim that you speak for that are the ones that are like, hey, man, like maybe you need to give some thought to where you stand, you know, in this, in this here class game. Maybe you need to consider that. And so that's a shift that's happened that it's clear. He still can't. He's like, but I thought you loved the fact that I came from it and got all this money.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, no, but nobody's like, I'm just doing the same thing that got me on the cover of Time magazine. You know, but that's your argument about him being the system, right? He's just like, I did. And you guys love me for getting to all these places. Like, what are you, what are you talking about? And now all of a sudden, it's a problem.

And it's like, oh, you don't get the arguments at all. You just think that people are hating on you. Yeah. It's always resonated with him too, right? Because he, you know, I put dollars on mine, asked Columbine. Like the, you talk about the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the. part, he, I won't say he presents it, but we find out a lot of, like, what he does behind the scene, similar to Jordan, similar to Jordan, where it's like, hey, man, these people don't know what I

actually do outside of telling you how cold I am. He, it strikes a tone with him, it strikes a nerve with him, even in this interview where he was like talking about Drake and Kendrick, and he's like, people are trying to say that I'm aligned against Drake. and he looks at the interview and says, I'm motherfucking J's D. Yeah. And that was the moment where it flipped from

like, you know, like sit back, humbly stated, terrifically outfitted, you know what I mean? Like Buddha like Zen, a rap figure to, hey, but I'm still the man on this block. Like, there's that dichotomy. But he,

but he seems to understand that he'd a man on that block and on that other block, he just won a mini, rich people. And the reason that I say that is this. Clearly that money only means so much in terms of power because if there were actual power behind it, he wouldn't be so afraid of saying anything real. You know what I mean? Like, he still clearly works to not offend. That's clearly still on the board and in his thoughts when he has things to say and to talk about. It's like,

he's not going to say anything that goes that far, because again, he's part of that machine. I was over there. This is peeps. Yeah. And so the interview, as far as an interview goes, and look, that's a tough interview to do, no matter who you are, right? Like, that's Jay, like you say, that's motherfucking Jay-Z, right?

That's Jay-Z who's in front of you. It's clear that the dude who did the interview was a big Jay-Z fan. So there was only going to be but so much pushback on him. And maybe one could make the argument that sometimes you let some, somebody's words speak and express who they are and you don't even need to fully double back on. Right. Like, okay, Jay said these things, but I thought Jay came across as being a bit of an empty vessel in that interview.

And I don't think that's what he was going for. I think he thought, like you said, that he was, he was spitting, he was going to hit him with some of that wisdom, you know, but I'm not an idealist. I'm a realist. I take the world as it is. That's some really disheartening, cynical shit right there. Especially in these times. Yes.

Right? Like, especially in these times where people are scraping and scrounging, you know, health insurance ain't cheap. Like, life ain't cheap. Life is as expensive as it has been. And God knows how long. And also, but this is the thing, too. The audience, though, Bo, right? Like, there is a, there is a worldly affect to what J's B has experienced.

but I think the audience that has traveled with him has kind of always expected him to be the motivational piece or the tool or the inspiration and looked at him as such where it's like if you listen to dead prayers or if you listen to any like back in the day listening to poor righteous teachers or ex-clan all these things like the audience that grows with you is going to always see you in that light and maybe not ask anything else of you And then when you do hit him with a spare nugget or a piece of what they would deem wisdom,

it's like mind-blowing whereas everybody else is like, all right, we got that. But like, how do you feel about this? Like, I went back and watched the interview that he did eight years ago with The Times. And he was talking about what Donald Trump getting elected, the positives of that in terms of the discourse and the dialogue that this country will have. And it blew my mind where I was sitting there watching him and my life because I'm like, man, I have long thought that anybody outside of black people who are like, no, we need this discourse and dialogue.

And I'm like, hey, man, if you told black people that all this shit would end the day, if all we did was had to talk, then you'd get screened at because we've been talking. Everybody's just been talking this whole time. Like, what's the actual actionable items that can be put in place? And that was the other thing, too, when he was in the room with Gadell, he was. mentioned actionable items. Like, what's next? And it's kind of like those things where

there's, like, there's shootings in schools and people do the thoughts and prayers and they go, we can't talk about these things. There are legislation pieces or policies now because it would be absurd and it would offend the victims and let's not, let's not cover up these heinous crimes with our

agendas, but it's like, if we never get to it, then we never get to it. It feels like there is a portion of rap fans and people who are our age who are like, all right, but when you go and get to what's happening now? And how are you going to get to it through your music and through your art and through your words?

Like every interview is an album now, right? Every time you pop up with a content creator, that's your latest single as opposed to music. So this is the actual item. This is the time now where you could be like, all right, eight years ago, I said that now this is what it's become of it and this is how I want to change. Yeah. I think where I land ultimately. Hey man, it's okay to just be a rapper.

100%. And I say that to us, right? Yeah, yeah. Because one thing he does that I do think is interesting. Like when he had the Book of Hope exhibit at the Brooklyn Museum, the key there is he could have put that in any museum or like any gallery or whatever it is, that type of stuff. But he wanted to put it in a place that's accessible to the people, right?

These concerts at Yankee Stadium, for example. There's always like an air. He puts an air of accessibility on. like I'm going to hit you with this glimpse into the other side of life, but I'm going to make it to where you can always get a touch of it, right? Like he's very good at the accessible at giving the presentation of accessibility. But to me, the thing is, it's okay if you just real good at rap, you know, because I don't care about him being a very successful businessman and being rich.

Like that just doesn't move you. Yeah, that's not, that doesn't, I don't know, that's just that that's a very good for you sort of situation. I just don't care that much about that. That is not inspire me. That is not motivate me. I know it wasn't easy, right? But it doesn't do those things. Okay, cool.

You're that. But our need very often to make Jay-Z into something bigger than just a rapper is how we wind up into these other spaces. Because if all we do is evaluate him and the quality of his music, it's a very interesting discussion. There's a lot of cool stuff that he's gotten done

and gotten across, right? He's done that. anytime the moment it tries to go into something bigger, it's like, yep, no, no, no, no, no. Why don't you just get back to rap? But I want to wrap. Chris Roxley and his next door neighbor was a dentist, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, man.

He ain't create teeth. Hey, man, we don't need to talk to jaw rule. You know what I'm saying? Where is jaw? It ain't an issue. I'm going to make a transition now. There's no smooth way to do this. But I have something I want to run by you.

It's a story I've been looking at in the news. and I've been bothered by the story and I want to tell you why I'm bothered and I'm curious whether you feel similar things and I'm sure that you've seen this story. I'm glad you got your hands on this one. Yeah, there's a gentleman. He's an accused of murder.

He was in a car with three people and he was driving the car and he shot a guy in the passenger seat. Now the gentleman is a cornhole player. He is a professional cornhole. player. And if you don't know, cornhole is ready take the bean bags and they throw them into boys that's got the holes in them. It's bags, yeah.

Yeah, yeah, my brother's a big fan. They'd be playing it over to their outside the apartment. Okay. But the thing is the gentleman is a quadruple amputee. He does not have hands. He does not have like full legs. And he is the one that has been

accused of this murder. And allegedly, he asked the people, after he shot the dude, he asked the people in the backseat to help him dispose of the body. And they said, no, they would not help him dispose of the body. And I watched this report on CBS News and it was very stern and they were very straight-faced as they was explaining what was going on. It was like we have a case in wherever the hell it was. And they put on their, they strained faces and they said that he was a quadruple ampute. and all of these things. It took two minutes and then they broke. And then they went to another story. And it's something that like my brother really conditioned me on this and it's very important that I don't like is passive aggressive behavior.

Right. Like if you're going to do the thing, do the thing. Okay. These people know good and goddamn well why that story made the CBS news. Okay. Everywhere that you've seen it, you know good and well why that story is out here. This is not news I can use. This is not information that is important to the world. There are many murders that take place every day. This is only in the news because they know that you will hear this story and you will find it uproarious. That is the only reason that this news has been presented to the world. But they don't present it as uproarious.

No, because they too classy. They too dignified, right? No, it's just the facts. Joe Friday and his motherfucker telling you about how to do with no hands is out here smoking people. And by the way, don't even explain to you how exactly that's possible. Because I know that when you hear that story, you're like, wait, I don't really understand what you're saying. He was driving a car and he shot a person. Wait, how can that happen?

They don't tell you none of that. And they had the ability to tell people this because Jason put me up on game and I didn't realize this. it was videos all over the internet of this dude when he climbing trees and shooting and hunting and shooting people. Climbing trees with a rifle. Climbing trees with a rifle. They didn't put any of that on TV

because that would have gave the game away because they wouldn't have been able to make it to the end of the shot because they would have been busting out laughing right there on television if they had done that. And I just think that's messed up because they throw it out out here to the rest of us.

And they want us to talk about it. And I ain't trained in the news like that. I ain't got straight-faced practice. You understand what I'm saying? They think I'm supposed to come out here and talk about this horrible tragedy that took place where a man that don't got no hands shot somebody and then was like, somebody come help me with the body.

After those people said, no, did he say, well, fuck it, I'll do it myself? I don't know. That's the news that I could use if I'm trying to understand what happened with that story. But no, I'm supposed to put my money on the line behind this. Y'all betrayed us,

journalistically speaking, not giving us the information that you had that we needed to draw a full conclusion because you cowards are afraid of spitting that reel and telling the truth. And now I got to come out here and do it with a straight face. I got to get out here and talk about this. Like, I don't know why this story

is a story. You know what I'm saying? Jason Goff over there trying to hold it together. You realize the position that you put them in? Ryan, put yourself on the screen right now. Right now.

Like, look what they did. Look what they're doing to y'all. Right, let me do it. Bo did this. So hopefully you won't have to go through this. You feel me? Call back. Perfect.

I'm taking all. I'm keeping this in the road for everybody else, right? Because they put us here. They know this shit is hilarious. So they know it. So, so we're... And by the way, it's not anybody's fault that it's hilarious.

We, I was given this world. I didn't make it to quote a great rapper. I'm not an idealist. I'm a realist. I take the world as it is. It'd be so dope if he had American gags to play it in the tape that. He's so dope. So, so this, this is one of those things.

First of all, this is one of those things with, like, your news homies. Like, sports is the toy department, right? This is one of those things when your news homies just slide a little something to you, like, take a look at that player, tell me what you think I can do with this, right? That story, first of all, I caught that story in the devil's layer, the devil's cauldron, which is the for you tab on X, right? It's not like, like, before you tap for me, it's like, you know, you go on by the old coffee shop and you're like, oh, I'm going to have little this, little this, little this, little this. Don't tell nobody I had any of this. Let's keep it moving.

So it started to trickle out, right? The positioning, how the guy was actually in thoughts and prayers to that person. Absolutely. Right? But I immediately, when I read this, what, the headline, because it said quadruple amputee murder, right? So I'm like, headbutt is a hell of a way to go, right? Like, I immediately. It was a fair point.

Duh. You know, come on, man. We grew up in the 80s where you had to have an imagination as a kid, right? One of all these goddamn screens. We had to fight. You said he out here playing gold, not. Let me tell you. And he ain't got no gag.

None. You know, hey, guess what's harder to my head? Nothing. Bang. You out, right? I thought that's how it went. Then I come to find out he got folks in the backseat. In the back seat?

And I don't know how much of a gangster or a punk you either got to be to look at a quadruple amputee in the driver's seat and be like, and see him murder someone and be like, I ain't helping you with shit. Do you know how capable this man is? Do you know, do you know, this man, you know, first of all, his name is dude. right? You know they call him doodrop in the hood, right? So, so you know the do drop. If he's climbing trees with rifles, what make you think he won't pull up in the most innocuous way and knock you out? This is his homie that he knocked off too. That's the other thing. Like, I just want, at first I'm like, man, they're putting this on doodrop. Like, do drop was in the backseat. Well, here how you know he was gangster. He would, how he'd be like, yo, I'll drive.

that's how you know he run things there's the other thing what if do drop is the D-D right and everybody a little soft stuff everybody kicking it and do drop pull up mad you know

right obviously y'all didn't kicked it what's going on everybody getting the car one guy talked we saw we saw it in dead presidents we saw him

man took his leg off still got that work on the ground like I'm sorry brother And shout out to my man Mike B from Tampa because I put it in my group chat. Sometimes I just puts things in my group chat to see it explode and then come back eight hours later to see.

First thing my man Mike B said, and I'm with him. Hey, cats like this, front lines. Frontlines. You feel me? Listen, you can either go to jail or we got some things that need handling overseas. I'm sorry. You put do drop where, you drop people anywhere.

And you talk like, if Denzel Washington can run around a Lowe's for six hours in two movies and kill people, man, shout out to Dewey. I have never, I've never shouted out of murder. Well, I probably have, you know, but I've never shot it out of murder. In this way, that story, everybody knew what it was. The moment they saw it, like you said, everybody was laughing immediately. Shout out to all the real journalists out there who had to actually deliver this with a straight face. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no. because they they was passing the buck.

They left they left out important stuff. But the thing like murder, it's serious, is it out for them in a way, you know what I mean? They could have told us more, but they was afraid.

You know what else? Well, they kind of told us this. This has been lost in it, by the way. Rest in peace to the victim. Our buddy Dayton Weber, aka Dewey,

he going through it. Because I had seen that the, murder victim's name was Bradrick, and they showed a picture, and I didn't think it was Dewey, because it was next to a picture. It was a picture of Dewey in competition, and then it was a picture of Dewey now, and I thought they were two different people, and so I thought the second picture was the picture of the victim, and I was like, damn, white Bradrick. Hayden had to be you, but it turns out Bradrick is actually African-Americans. Yeah, yeah, and this is, you know,

So, how can I put this? Your friend group can be as eclectic as you would like it to be. You know, it could have people from various backgrounds. If I'm the brother and I'm pulling up with a, not only a quadruple amputee, but a famous one, like, the first thing I saw, this was attached and people quote tweeted it because of the ESPN story that ran about this man, right? Like the ESPN investigative, like, you know, special report, like, look at what this, this young man is gone through and look at how he is achieved. Man, hey, you know, I guess that's why I keep my circle small, man. At some point, you know, do drop going to go off, you know?

You know he got these skills. He not only is the world-renowned bags player, but he is a hunter. Come on, down. Hey. Come on, dog. Do you have any clue what I had to do? to get here, I don't think you do. Ladies and gentlemen, that is Jason Gough.

Check him out on the athletic, catching in Chicago. You know what I'm saying? My brother, I appreciate you. I appreciate you as always, and I leave you with this, brother. And the great words of sugar-free, you know, you got the same amount of time in the day as Dayton Weber. Don't choose to be nobody. Ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on the right time.

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