The Right Time with Bomani Jones - Jason Goff on Wemby’s arrival at the NBA Finals, Jay-Z vs. Drake, A.J. Brown & Patriots pressure | 06.03

Episode Date: June 3, 2026

Bomani Jones and Jason Goff break down the NBA Finals matchup between the Spurs and Knicks, with a deep dive into Victor Wembanyama, Jalen Brunson, Karl-Anthony Towns, and the biggest storylines shaping this series. From Wemby’s rise on the biggest stage in basketball to the pressure on Brunson and KAT to deliver in the Finals, this episode covers what matters most heading into a massive championship matchup. They also get into whether Victor Wembanyama is on a path we haven’t seen since LeBron, why the Knicks’ guards could decide the series, and why these Finals feel loaded with legacy-defining stakes. Beyond the NBA Finals talk, Bomani and Jason also discuss the possibility of a Jay-Z vs. Drake battle, why that rap beef feels unwinnable for Drake, what A.J. Brown could mean for the Patriots, and how much pressure could be coming with that move. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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It is that time of week where we have a guest join us coming to us live from Chicago, Illinois. Give it up for Jason Gough. What's going on, brother? Oh, listen, Bo. I knew today I'd be chatting with you. I had a successful drop off of the kid. The last couple of days of third grade,

he's going to a new school. So that was fun talking to him about enjoying it. I bus the left on the Chicago Avenue, hit Lakeshore Drive, and I just see the city of winners. You know what I'm saying? I see the city of the fourth pick and the draft coming up here in a four-player draft.

I see a city where the cover boy from Madden might be the quarterback back of the Chicago Bears. I see a city where the socks loses of 100 plus games in the last couple of seasons look like they might have some fun this. I'm telling you, man. Life is good.

Life is good. It's also the city of Mike hit, man. You know my guy Mike hit, man. Mike, I talked to Mike a couple days ago. Mike said he had a whole lot of people who had shit out of it. I can't see where they all here. But Mike also told me

to him and his partner is trying to brain back strippers and cowboy hats. And he was like, I got a video. I need you to check out right fast. And I just sent it to you. And I don't want you to say what it is, but I just want you to give it a look. Okay.

You know, I'm always down to check out the performing arts. Hold on. Yeah. Hmm. Okay. Well. Yeah. It's not what you thought it was going to be, is it?

No, no, no. Go ahead and play it. Go ahead and play it. Oh, no. Oh, no. No, no. All right. See, I just told you how beautiful my morning was.

And by the way, to be in this kind of shape is admirable, by the way. But I thought you was talking about. The details don't matter, brother. The details don't matter. We all went through it at the same time. But the NBA finals, they are here. It is the San Antonio Spurs and the Knicks. And I don't even think you care, Jason Gough, that much about the NBA finals.

Because I know you, and you're just happy that the Oklahoma City Thunder ain't in there. no more. I am and I hate the fact that I have to come out and be this guy, but I haven't rooted against a team since I don't know when, bro. Like, it's been a while since you see how the softened you're made and you're like, all right, well, you know, you take the, the subjectivity out of that thing. I watched the Oklahoma City Thunder over the last couple years grow into one of the more detestable bunch of young men who you're supposed to like. Like, they, dog, family-wise, They seem like they do everything right. You know what I mean?

They all seem like they're decent dudes. But it started for me when the post-game interview became, let's see who could be the most immature and throw towels on each other's heads. And SGA would always try to back it down, but it was like, all right. And then it went to like, let's celebrate with each other. What was it?

SGA was the MVP. You get only get APs, but you get matching trench coats. Like, what's happening here? And some of the on-court outfits. Like, I live through the Russell Westbrook era of like, oh, that's what we're taking the game, fashion-wise? Like, those are pieces now. It's like, what is going on on these sidelines?

They have made me realize my age in a way that I wasn't comfortable with. But also, like, you know, when you embrace it. Like, you're like, oh, yeah. When the first time you get called OG or boss or something like that and you don't take it personally, that's when I knew. okay, it's fine. Because I don't like them dudes, and I don't like watching them play basketball.

And they cold as hell. That's the other thing. They're cold as hell, right? But I don't like the fact that I need to know how cold AJ Mitchell is out of nowhere. Jalen Williams and his face at all time bothers me, right? And I don't mean to sound like a hater, but this is just what it is. I found a team.

And the worst part about, not the worst, but the craziest part is. Hold on a specify for which Jailin Williams you're talking about. Oh, Jalen, without a why. Not unnecessary wide guy, he just always pouting for some reason. Hold on. I got to send an apology right fast about, I had been saying that Jaylor Williams,

the one you call Unnecessary Pout guy, that he looked like his daddy in the service. And I made a reference to Charlie last show, and I did not know that that was racist. I thought it was simply antiquated. But apparently it is racist, and I need to apologize for doing that because I did, I just thought it was.

Like, for example, colored, is not racist. It is antiquated. Wait a minute, though. It sounds like something a racist person would say. I'm going to say, please. Let's not disseminate that information and then they're going to get stress test happens. But it's an, it is an antiquity that implies that you might be a racist, right? You might mean that way. And I thought that I was in the space of the antiquity as opposed to the flat out racist. To the racist space. My fault. Got you. Got you. My fault. I thought that was just

something they said. I didn't know. But anyway, you don't like him either. I'm not going, I don't feel comfortable talking about them anymore after the Charlie comment and just I feel like I should back up off. I need you to because we're not going to wallow in that shit.

I was happy they go on and they made me a fan of a Spurs team that I was kind of a fan of already. Like, the dude, and we've talked about throughout this year. I don't know that I wanted to see what's possible with a player like this since we met LeBron, right?

And that was 20-some-odd years ago. Like, understanding and trying to figure out what's possible and what it could be, like, the wasted talent or the wasted potential that we always run into, where we're like, ooh, look at that guy. Like, oh, Jose Cruz Jr. going to be the next big thing. Or this guy is going to do this, or a boxer or a football player or all that's running back. It's going to be fired. You can't wait to see it.

When you start to see it get fulfilled in a way that it has been so early in the game for Victor. Like, it's made me a fan of this last couple of year journey. And I know on the athletic show, I was like, hey, I don't think it's a hot take. But if the Spurs get to the finals and Victor Wimbiñama can start talking that I'm the best player in the world shit, for real, that takes this thing to another stratosphere. And not just to mention that you won't see these dudes again and again and again and again and again. Yeah, man. Like, this has been, this has been an amazing, an amazing, like, unfolding of storytelling,

this playoffs that I think when we look back on it years from now. Because I love Stefan Castle. Like, he's one of them dudes I saw in college. He was like, I can't wait until he get out of there. So that he can play with cats who are better on the floor and also do what he does. Like, they got the Slash Brothers thing with him and Dylan Harper. I just, I'm picking the Spurs in 7th,

just because I want to see the story play out the way that the, I know the story would be huge, obviously. It's the Knicks and it's been 50 years and all that other stuff. But the beginning of this thing, I think if it started this year, one, I'd be happy about it because, you know, I know a lot of Knicks fans and they're cool with me. I'm cool with them, but, you know, I'm still a Bulls fan to the heart, right? But this Spurs thing in Wembe, I'm truly looking forward to seeing how this story plays out here over these next seven games, man.

All right. So I got two Spurs thoughts. remember when Greg Popovich was talking that shit about how American players didn't want it and da-da-da-da and they didn't work hard enough and how the international guys where all that, da-da-da-da-da. But this team outside of Victor,

American is fun. Man, it's my fault. I thought Shan Pippel was from France. And he is not. No, no, no. I mean, it was not an unreasonable proposition for me. But anyway, they mighty American for what they have been talking.

Number two, as they were talking about like saying where it goes with Victor and mentioning LeBron, to me, the highest evolution of LeBron James, the peak LeBron James is from 2012 to 2014, which is to say nine, 10 years into his career is when we're talking about the peak of LeBron James. We're talking about 27, 28 years old, right? Or 29, like getting in that space. Victor's 22, right?

And by the way, at that time, I would argue that LeBron. was both the best offensive and best defensive player in the NBA. Which is on the board for Victor who as of yet does not have a way to get an easy shot. Like if there's a reason to pick the Knicks in this series to me, it is the fact that the Spurs

don't have anybody who you can count on like, oh man, it's a seven to run over there. Let's go get an easy bucket right, fags. Nobody can go get an easy bucket. But they got a lot of guys can get a lot of tough ones. And I know that's not a dodge you want to live on. I know that's not a dive you want to live on.

But with Dylan Harper, like, Dylan Harper's got this James Harden OKC thing to him where it's like you get that dude, a team three years from now if he's not a spur or whatever case may be, you be all right. You be fine. And to have him and as much as they penetrate the paint, that's the other thing too, like,

who's OG and Nobie going to guard, right? Are they going to put him a lot on Wembe? Are they going to float with Kat? Are they going to mess around? and try to put a smaller player like Josh Hart, the way that Alex Caruso was designed to go up against Wemby. Like, who are their best defenders forced to guard and are the players who have Jalen Brunson or somebody else on?

Like, this is the Stefan Castle, Dylan Harper, Jalen Brunson series to me, right? Kat's going to have, I think, two big games. You see Victor, Victor, even in game seven, that wasn't some go crazy, get you 45, 29. He did that in game one. It's going to be Jalen Brunson, Dylan Harper, Stefan Castle. Those three dudes are going to figure this series out for me.

And also, you know, injuries. You can't fork cast those. But I don't know that I think that either coach, right, because let's face it, you know Pop is saying something, doing something with Mitch, right? So you got Poppin Mitch against Mike Brown. I think the small dudes are going to tell us who's going to win this series. Now, their small dude is a clutch player, right? Like the mix.

What Jalen Brunson has become in such a short amount of time, he at Stevenson here in this state, he walked off the court, double bird championship game to the crowd. Like he has been this dude his entire basketball career. He went to Villanova did that. Went to Dallas did that. Now comes to New Yorkers like,

all right, cool, mid-tier point guard. Look at the money they're paying them. Now he's in the point where they're running this thing so much through Kat that in the fourth quarter, all that pounding that I had to do on offense and that pounding I was going to take on defense, now I can be a little bit more fresh. Like, I'm, I,

there's so many cool stories in this, in this finals that I just, I don't want anybody, anybody's legacy to be broken. And with these dudes, I don't think it can happen. I don't think Victor's going to go out there and have such a poor showing that you're like, all right, what's going to happen next? Like, the shit that we're doing with Czech right now.

Like, I've never been as high a Czech guy as other people. Like, he and Evan Mollinger. have always been in that same category for me, whereas, like, those are terrific players, but when you need to count on something, can you count on them, right? But with Victor, I know they're going to have to count on them, and he's going to come through with Jalen.

They're going to have to count on them. And if they lose, it's because he didn't come through, like the end result with a lot of these, the finality and a lot of these players' legacies for this year and going forward, I feel like can be kind of displayed for us over this next 10, 11 days. one guy that has the opportunity to full on make his legacy.

Who's that? Cat. Drake Anthony Towns, baby. He got hits in these streets now. Look, man. Cat's been the next best player. Like, I think this has been lost because we're so dialed in on the idea of Jalen Brunson. But the truth is their best player has been Kat.

He, like, again, this is me talking. I have to, I feel like I have to say this every time we talk about. it because I don't feel like I need to atone because I wouldn't wrong. If he was doing this shit somewhere else, he would not have been part of a 14 feet of disappointment, right? There is no disappointment here on this one. He's bringing it and they got big dudes in between, oh, I don't know about him, but OG Mitch Robinson,

they got guys that you can at least ask to guard Victor. The problem with Carl is I'm still not sure that if you put him on Victor, he ain't going to get 3,045 seconds. That's the thing, right? But he hasn't been doing that. He has the silly fact. Like the most interesting thing to me is that when I first, when we first got introduced to Kat when Petino was coaching that Puerto Rico team, right?

It was a Caliperi. I'm sorry. No, Calipera. It was a Dominican. It was Dominican team, right. Caliperia is coaching that Dominican. You just threw them all together, brother. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, they're going to come from me anyway. Might as well. I'll at you. I'll be outside. When he was coaching that team and I'm like, this is the number one player? Like, this is. and then you start to surely see not only the jump shot, but the decision-making in times offensively.

He's a good enough passer. He's nimble of foot enough to get past a lot of big dude. You can't put a big dude on him. And then it all comes to fruition in this moment where he doesn't have a teammate barking on him, always looking down on him and looking at him crazy. Like, that man went to him too. Seriously.

He went from, I just know what he is. He went from playing with Jimmy Butler to Anthony Edwards. And I say Anthony Edwards is barking on, but there's kind of that force there where it's like, all right now, come on, I'm cold. Why can't you be cold? Come be colder. Let's be cold together, right?

He goes to New York and that whole thing sets in. And Jalen Brunson has that vibe to him. But Dailen is kind of the dude who gets his work done in a way where you're like, damn, I got to get this work done. He ain't going to say nothing. I'm cool about it. Right. And now he's got the ball in a way that Mike Brown probably wanted to do

beginning the season, but you got to, you know, you got to negotiate that relationship between the guy that's getting all the accolades and the dude who might have your best future in his hands and has come together in this 11 games fan of which, like, it still boggues my mind that this may be the best fan of basketball, not just in this franchise history, but like in a time that we've seen. Like, I don't know that I've seen teams just get run off the floor like they 16 seats. and they've done that with teams that have max players. Like, Cleveland is paying the most money of any franchise.

And they're like, hey, get y'all asses out of here summarily. Get out of here, treating you like an eight seed. You feel me? You got the woman in the front row. He got, we got Coco Jones at the crib in the front row. And you're going out there and doing that? Like, come on, man. Like, that next team is, um,

the Carl Anthony Towns thing. Like, like I said, Drake Anthony Towns, man. He had to go on the ground for a couple, a couple years. And now you pop back out with a hit or two.

Now you're making this difficult because I'm trying to give him his props. And now you're out here calling him Drake. And you know, you know, you know, but he got,

you know, these are melodies. These are melodies, though, Bumani, these ain't the hard. Right? When he, when he's a hovered offence,

when he's passing that bitch, those are melodies. Those are those, Those are the hotline blings of the world. This ain't him with 20 suburban goons looking down on him from Toronto. No, no, no. But I think what we need is something a little different, though, because I don't really enjoy Drake with the melodies myself.

I understand the reference. But what I'm saying is, just need Drake to be a good rapper. I don't need Drake to be a gangster rapper. You know, because here's what I think I was asking for Carl. Is that the foul? Is that the foul? This is what I think I was asking for Carl,

in retrospect, that was probably unfair. I was asking him to be gangster in his raps and be sincere, and he can't do that. But if he could just be a good rapper, right? Just be a good rapper who can rap in a variety of ways. Maybe it could all just come together, right? Because when he get out here and rap with the melodies, let's be honest, we don't like that either.

We just need them to be a good, rapper. Sometimes he gets outside going. And if you're in that outside atmosphere and you see the environment, which is, you know, Josh Hart hit the corner three. He tried to say he the best singing rapper of all time. And I'd like my rappers to be rappers.

He did say that. He did say that. I think that made, that's, I've never let him slide for that. I'm the best shooting big man all time. Who cares? Huh? I mean,

that's like I'm the best dancing accountant of all time. I don't care. Dude, he's taxes. It's taxes to get done. He's up there. He's been up there doing some taxes, though. No, no, he's been killing it. He been killing it.

And this is going to be his Roots Picnic freestyle, maybe. You know what I'm saying? Maybe it's the time where he gets... You know, I hadn't thought about this. I don't know how much attention you pay to the Jay-Z Roots Picnic. I have. I admit I did not really. I feel like these Jay-Z shows are for Jay-Z lovers,

and I am a Jay-Z appreciates. and so I don't need to interfere with their good time. You understand what I'm saying? That's what it is. Though it does seem clear there's an album coming, right? Like this feels like there's a, there's an album rollout. And let us not forget,

at the infamous Summit Jam in 2001, he gave us a verse and a couple of bars, and then he came back later with a heater, we got takeover later. Could he possibly be setting it up to a race, And I ask that because Jay-Z is erase you rich. Like people that rich enjoy erasing people.

I think this is not only a setup to try to do that, but also to try to make sure it is understood. Like the last dance analogy where, hey, people getting a little froggy. A lot of conversations happening around here that I'm really not, I'm not going to save that guy. Right. Like, I'm not going to save me. they think I am, but they're not thinking like they're supposed to be thinking.

So let me drop this on you in COVID. By the way, I'm the greatest of all time. Check out what I did. I came and got Robin out of common electric bed in a Vegas hotel. You know what I'm the don't know what I'm the don't know. I can see Jay-Z making that kind of play. Plus, you know, that kind of dude doesn't say anything normally. So when he had something to say, like him stuttering and doing the Nikki Menon

on that stuff again. Like, he's a guy who catch, like, it's classic athlete shit where it's like, oh, man, I don't read that. I don't hear that shit. These motherfuckers hear everything you say. Everything you say. And it just happened to be that time

when you're at that bar, you know what I'm saying, that city that you didn't think you would be at, and they pull up next to you, like, I heard what you said. And that's exactly what it seems like you're doing right now. You don't play certain games with certain people unless you want certain type of smoke. and I don't think I don't think

I don't think it's going to end well for either one of them because you got the old heads getting slanted on the socials right now and the young people looking like young people. Yeah. Hey man, I'm gonna say this.

If I'm Drake and Jay-Z want to start a battle, this is unwinnable for you. Like I'm saying this like with love right now, like the kind of love I have for the world. You can't, you can't win this. yo, you little fuck, I got money stacks bigger than you.

That was 25 years ago. Right. Right? Like, before Super Bowl halftime shows. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. There's nothing Drake could do. And twice Drake, his guy hit with the same thing of misunderstanding that actually that person over there hates you.

Right? They happen with push. It happened even with Kendrick. Like, you can act like you're above it. You're annoyed or whatever it is. I would leave this. everybody, all of those people that kind of came up there. I would leave that alone and let this man be and just see what it is that's about to happen.

I'm going to tell you what I give Jay-Z credit for on this that I think we've kind of lost sight of, which is he did not have to become a good live performer and he has. I do not think that he is an excellent live performer. That's why these shows cost too much money for me to go see a, like, and this is why I say, these are for JZ lovers. If you are a JZ lover, then you bond with the songs and how you all feel about him and everybody knows every word and it kind of like turned into a sing-along and whatever he is or is not as a live performer. If there's any slack, you guys pick it up because it's just about the energy that you guys share. And I'm not in the crew in that way. But he was a bad live performer

when it started because he didn't come up performing live. He has become, if nothing else, a live performer capable for the catalog that he has, which is a pretty big and strong catalog. And he didn't have to do that. He has done that. Good for him. Who are you like that for?

Oh, like, Alcass, for example. Right. I went to that, I went to see that show four different times when they made that tour. Mm, okay. You know what I mean? Like, that was the big one.

Like, no, no, no. I love this. The Riding Dirty Show that's going to be in Houston in August. Okay. All right. I'll be there for that. I'll be there in line with that.

But for the prices, they JZ charging? That's like if I loved the Knicks, I would think about some of these crazy Knicks prices. But I don't love the Knicks. I just want to go to the game. So I realize how much I will or won't spend for a ticket probably about 16, 17 months ago where my beautiful little girl made it into the world.

Because before that, my wife and I did a lot of concert hopping for a good two years here in Chicago like anybody who came we went to Vegas to go see Usher, that kind of thing.

And I realized, you know what? I like Kendrick, but should I spend $1,200? You know what I mean? Like, I enjoy Cizzer, even though some of the songs

with the caterpillars and the mushrooms and the frogmen, like it's kind of a black Katie Perry kind of vibe on the stage going on there. But, hey, do I like you that much?

Like the luxury items that we now behold that are concerts, man, you're going to have to, like, I've seen some people. Like, I'll go see, I saw Wu-Tang, you know, and they tour that they came to the city or whatever. That was, that was manageable because they knew it was going to be all dudes in the stands. But let your woman tell you, or let your significant other tell you, oh, this person coming, you know immediately. That ticket just went up three eggs because she knows about it. I went and saw Kendrick at MetLife, and I think I've talked about it on the show. I can't remember because I've talked about this with a few other people. But I don't move back a few rows over the years.

I'm just not paying these prices. I'm like, oh, I can see the whole. Yeah, I know I've talked about this whole thing. Oh, I can see the whole video screen. This is how the show is intended to be seen, right? It is not for those people down there. I just can't, I just, I refuse to pay these prices, right? Yeah.

Like, I'm thinking about the last three or four concerts I've been to. No, man, I'm back with. folks. I'm back here, I'm back here with y'all, man. And honestly, I'm wondering why y'all here. Yeah. Yeah. Because we're not paying it. Yeah. Nah. And, you know, let's be honest, the clouds of

smoke are the same on the floor as they are in the 200 section. They are. They are. They are. You know what I mean? You got your vibes with you? Yeah. We can have a good outdoor show. Oh, my God. Good outdoor show. Nice little amphitheater.

You feel? Oh, bad. So, Forest Hills up here. Forest Hills where they used to play the U.S. Tennis Open. Yeah, yeah. It's a great concert venue, and it says, a whole bunch of people waiting to see who going to go first. You're going to kick it off? Yeah, who's going to kick it off? And the last time I was there was me,

and people were like, and I had people thank me. Oh, dude, I used to be the asshole kid in assemblies where I wanted to be the first person to clap to see if I could kick off the clap in times where we shouldn't clap. You know what I'm saying? So I shouldn't be sitting there and see who else paying this and black, like, and all of a sudden they'd be like, hey, he's still talking.

Jason being an asshole again. That's see who's going to kick it off and you get that look, boy, it's like a Jedi kind of allegiance state that just... You talk about the way you're over the crowd. Oh, my God. Finally, shit. Finally some soccer mom is tired of, you know,

whoever she here with. That's like who'll be the first, who'll be the first person to go get some food. Oh, yeah. Which was always me. But then you end up having people who not, trying to go get the food and, you know,

asking to bring shit back. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then you never come back to the spot. Yeah, yeah, but you know what, though? You can ask whatever you want. It's always an option. Free country. Free country.

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Okay, Twizzlers, time to keep the fun going. All right, we are back with Jason Goff, and you sent me a text a couple days ago. You want to talk about this A.J. Proudetre, because you feel like anything is possible, and I need to know what you mean. So the New England Patriots have had interesting storylines for being a, not so interesting franchise for the most part for like 20 years. All the Super Bowls, it was always something. And then you find out they got a murder in the locker room.

And then you find out that Rob Gruncowski is just the wildest of boys. And that kind of keeps it rolling for you. This new iteration of this New England Patriots thing, right? And we know the entire thing that's going on right now. A.J. Brown being dropped into this situation puts everything on the board. You and I remember a time where Randy Moss was left for dead, you know, with the Raiders wearing that nasty, nasty number.

It just looked nasty in the Raiders. Yeah, it just looked nasty. Then he pulls up in New England, and he running past Dorel Revis, and he running past Sassanti 7. He's running past all these dudes. You're like, holy shit, he has been reborn. Like, I know the Randy. Mosting, obviously, there's only one Randy.

But having that kind of vibe in that city with that kind of dude, with that city, having to root for that kind of dude's success, crazy to me. And then you have the fact that Boston people, Bostonians, are worried about the knee, right? So that being an issue. And is A.J. Brown at some point here, I mean, it's football. When is he going to start to crumble for real? How much of the last two years was A.J. not getting on.

open as people think or not just telling with the quarterback or being right. Like everything is on the board. Now you drop that situation into a quarterback who, like, we talk about Caleb Williams here because we're supposed to. That dude went to the Super Bowl last year, right? And he did it. God bless Kishon Booty, right? But I found out who he was after a while because it's like one of those dudes

you're like, who the hell is he's the only one that's really making noise? What's going on over there? That receiver room, he was, I mean, he stepped out of Diggs and seen his better days, right? So Drake May did all that, and let's face it, you know, he's playing like a young quarterback in times where you're like, all right, you need him to play like something else. But got them to the Super Bowl.

A.J. Brown gets dropped into that situation. I'm telling you right now, if I'm A.J. Brown, y'all got to throw me the ball. Y'all brought me here. And the moment the ball doesn't come to me, I have a young, you know, duckling of a quarterback here that I can kind of mold in any way I want. And I promise you, there ain't going to be no two or three games stretch where A.J. Brown don't get the ball. Because if their coaching situation stays as is, I'm one to think that the dude who is reading books on the sideline might have some other things up his sleeve when it come to addressing the coach who you don't need no more heat.

Yeah, I was about to say That man needs... You don't need no... You don't need dubs. That man need dubs. Like, I feel like right now, Mike Vrable has been more responsive to people asking him to do a little bit more

than he has been in a very long time. You know what I mean? Like, what Mike Vrable don't have the capacity for right now is having to take no shit from nobody else. Because right now, it's some shit that he got to take that he can't offer no pushback on at all. right? That at some point he had the leverage and the equity in the situation,

staying firm on. He ain't got that really right now anywhere he goes. You know what I'm saying? He's got like, how do I make everybody happy under these current circumstances? I feel like that's where he's at. You tell me if I'm wrong. Let me tell you something from personal experience.

Long, long, long, long, long time ago. There is nothing like waking up knowing. that the mistake has not been forgiven. And every day you're hoping that that day, the mistake will be forgiven, whether it be from your employer, whether it be from your creator up above. The reason why I say your creator up above

is you're like, who could put this kind of pain on me? Because every morning you wake up and you see somebody's back. You ain't seen their face in a, what are you saying? A month full of Sundays. You ain't seen their face. They're not sleeping looking at you. You used to get up before them every day. You're a football player.

You're a coach. You're up at 515. No, no, no, no, no. Shorty is up in 4.30. Planning her next Pilates appointment, and the rest of the day is on your dime. Making dinner for, making breakfast for one. One. Not even these babies.

Guess who going to have to feed these babies? You play up. It's the football man. So now you get to. get in the car, which is your only, you know, safe place and on your drive to work, you get to think about, oh, shit, did A.J. Brown get the ball enough this Sunday. Yo, yo, hey, there are some tough places to be. There are certain men and women and anybody else who understand things. That ain't going to stop being stressful until you break.

hold on, hold on. Is he spending that extra time in the car in the parking lot at the office or in the driveway at the crib? You know what I'm saying? That just, I'm going to just take some time in the car. So from what they told me in previous experiences,

you never want to do it around the crib. Because the problem might be they come outside. And then it's like, oh, is this where you are, is this where doing, are you used to being in the car this long outside of the crew? No, no, no. Something wrong? You don't want to come inside? What's so wrong with your house?

Is this why? Right? No, no. You're pulling up to the job extra, extra early. I'm talking about gym bag, noose, new clothes. Like, you take his showers at the gig. We are about to find out. People talk about how true to the game they are.

Mike Brayble is about to die. so far into football. This is a Super Bowl champion, by the way, player. And now a dude who is visited in his first years ahead, coach, on his former team. There, you are never going to see a man so deeply invested in football as he is. And if he don't get it done, I'm telling you right now, that boy, AJ Brown, he know what's happening. AJ, hey, hey, what?

No distractions, fam. I am coming with a circus full of distractions. and I dare you to say something to me. What are you going to say? The moment I'm not in line, they're looking at you. The moment. I've shown my character. How about you?

You know, no, man. It's a tough spot. It's a tough spot. The AJ Brown thing. But that's the other thing, too. Like, they didn't push the ball down the field. They didn't push the ball down the field at all. And if you got AJ Brown, put that bitch up two, three times,

make somebody miss, you know, like, I'm looking forward and also how it's received from Philadelphia Eagles fans and Jalen Hertz. You're throwing to a bunch of kids and Devante Smith now. Yo, and what people don't get is that when AJ would be in the locker room saying what he was saying, guess who was over there saying the same thing and a quieter voice?

Devante Smith. Like, AJ Smith, AJ Brown is not the only guy who solved what the problem was. I promise you, okay? It was not just him. Jayland Hertz is not out of the woods yet, brother. Yeah. He's not.

Yeah. But, you know, he'll always go down with the Super Bowl, Super Bowl MVP, you'll go down with that, you know, all the bread that he's made. Like, there's certain, that's another thing, too. I feel like we see career arcs and we think that they're supposed to, like, be these long things. Sometimes you get that two or three year bump.

You're like, I'm cool, player. I can go back to being whatever the hell it is I need to be. Right? Like, let's be real. There was a time where Russell Wilson MVP talked this, that, and the other. Real Russell Wilson prime, like, where you're like, this is, he's a difference maker. How many years were those? Three? Yeah.

Right? Like, we get so used to seeing quarterbacks for so long. They were like, oh, yeah, you got, you got years, what, four through 11 where you're going to have this guy. Yeah, but about three of those bitches going to be the ones that you need to cap. because it's going to be when he's playing his best ball, probably making the most money and depleting the team the most. Maybe just maybe Jalen Hertz has hit that point, right? Whatever the relationships are, how many offensive play calls he's had to cycle in

and out, whether it's his fault or you could blame the results on that. And on top of it, he's won something. So he's, you know, sometimes you look at dudes and you know they got the drop on everybody where it's like he knows the real inventory. You know, he got the awareness that he should have. He just don't talk to y'all like you want them to talk to you. But you know what it is? Dude, I've made it from high school to two big time programs,

one on both stages, got to this, wasn't expected to do much. One, how much more you need. You keep telling me I'm not the one you need to win with. Cool, we'll figure that out when you decide I'm not the one to win with anymore. But until then, get these checks. Yeah, and look, man, the fall off can happen at any point. just about what anybody. And not saying that Jalen Hertz is set to fall off,

but yeah, you're right. There is not a set arc, right? There's not a set like, where you plot it on the graph, what the curve is going to look like. It can go a few different ways. But they definitely putting that boy on the clock this year. Like, this is going to be a lot.

And also, another thing they're forgetting, too, this is a year 10, Sequin Barkley. Runnybacks come back different people all the time. He needs, the Eagles thing, relying on the defense as much as they're going to need to continue to, by the way, it's crazy

because like the Reggie White of our time got traded to the Rams. I was like, all right, it's just another move, by the way. But no, we'll get back to that. Put a pin in it. Yeah, yeah. But these dudes, like, I don't, the Eagles have everything on defense that I think you need to contend,

but now it's going to. the onus is going to be more so on a quarterback who you've got questions about. And like you mentioned, Sequin Barclay, like rushing for 2,000 yards, I mean, that 350 carry or 1,700-plus yard thing, like Josh Jacobs, Derek Henry, hell, you go back to when, you know, was my man, Larry Johnson, Kansas City Chiefs running back. Like, once these seasons happen, you expect for the falloff. And maybe that falloff is now, you see what Jalen Hertz isn't when the running game, when the running game isn't what it's supposed to be around him.

Like, this is, one, I don't know who the hell is going to win that division. Two, I wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles have an underwhelming season, to say the least. What I was going to say about that Miles Garrett trade is they're trying to talk like Aaron Donald might come back. And look, if Aaron Donald comes back, I don't know how good Aaron Donald would be. But it's terrifying to consider. It's terrifying to consider and it would take all of my well-reasoned 100% correct Matthew Stafford takes. And they would just be completely irrelevant because it wouldn't matter because they would never score. They would never give up any points.

And then Matthew Stafford would have a second Super Bowl championship. And I would just be like, yeah, whatever, man. Yeah, you got it. You got it, you. This has been quite the reckoning these last few years, you know, the Josh Allen, how they came for you after. Well, no, no, no, it ain't been no reckoning. Like, Josh Allen different. Josh Allen defied everything we ever knew.

You know what I'm saying? Carl Anthony Towns now? I'm glad to be on board with the Josh Allen one. And the Carl Anthony Towns, good for him. The Matthew Stafford is people making shit up. Like, just, I mean, like, like, when Josh Allen, they did it for a little while, but then he came out and did a bunch of stuff. Stafford, we was there.

We was not saying this. And then one day we just decided to it. I'm like, who pressed the button? Right, because at least with Josh Allen, they was talking that crazy shit, and it didn't make any sense to me, but I was there the whole time. I saw how I progressed, and then it changed into something else. With Stafford, I was there when y'all wasn't even saying nothing, and then one day you acting like you had been saying this the whole time.

You know what I'm saying? If they go out there with the world-class record crew, then I don't know what we're supposed to do. Because somebody might take that as being an insult. What if somebody started calling the thunder the world-class record crew? I would understand. I knew you would. I would understand.

You know what I mean? You would the one they call Lonzo. Like, oh, you're so shivery. You're so shimery. Look at that's a stethoscope. Well, I mean, hey, these days, all you got to do is call yourself a doctor and you'll be in like Flynn. Yeah. Boy, has that been a thing in my house.

Oh, my God. Oh, that's right. So for those you don't know, God's wife is a therapist. Yes, yes. And I imagine that she has not been too happy with that lady they've been talking about, the Dr. Brian lady. You want to piss a doctor off? Call yourself a doctor.

Call yourself a doctor in front of a doctor. All I'm going to say is this. I saw that woman one time with Cam Newton. And they seemed to be what and what. like it was a battle of wits and cam was in his weight class and i'm not trying to insult cam newton but i am saying that he ain't no doctor bruh bruh that's all i'm saying we are it's it's it's it's so amazing the age that we are in and the reason why i weaned myself off of social media the way i have because i walk around and i go you know what ain't nobody having these conversations

outside of this? Like, who's talking like this outside of the internet? Who is going place to place saying, I am a doctor. I have this many degrees. I think she said she ran for, she was going to run for mayor, but bowed out because the candidate said she was going to take too many votes.

They went back and was like, she never filed paperwork, but she made t-shirts and sold them and raised funds. And I was like, oh, okay. But my wife can tell you, man, I think everybody on this planet is a scammer that I don't know personally. Like, I, I And too many times the shoe is fit.

Like, I'm more right than I'm wrong. When I'm like, I look at people out, scammer, and then we keep it moving. Y'all only have to do that. Yeah, I think my thing with the internet is at this point, it is full of people that raise what I think is a perfectly reasonable question, which is why should I listen to you? Right. And by the way, have a doctor in front of your name is an insufficient reason. Like, when I saw that woman had a doctor name play a. chain. I'm like, come

man. I ain't listening to you. It's kind of like you mentioned with the taxes thing. Like, if I see my accountant, you know, out on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, on a, Tuesday night, where I'm like, I'm not supposed

to be out. I'm like, why? No, no, no, no, no. That's not what I'm not. You can't do this for me no more? Yeah, the internet is just overwhelming. Like, oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, why am I listening? Why would I listen to you? That's all I want to know. Basically, everybody doing an impression of a morning radio show.

There it is. Right? Is that level of depth. It's that type of content. Is the discussions and topics that you have there? Like, that's the, there's a reason why morning radio does it. And then social media programs, it's like a bidirectional thing with each of those entities are programming each other, basically.

And that's where she was turning up. And I'm like, damn, people really just need somebody to listen to, huh? That's what it really comes down to. but I had not thought about, like, how mad your wife would be. Because I can think about my mama. My mom is the sweetest woman I know. But one thing my mama can't stand is when somebody is running an odd, what is to her, an obvious scam about how smart they are.

Right. That for her, because she's a rather modest person, right? She'd be like, I'd be out here laying low for y'all, but no, no, no, not here. No, no, no, I see through that. The best is the conversations that I'm around, and my wife doesn't tell people, right? So we'll just be talking and people will be talking around her, and they'll be saying things and it'll be jargony and it'll be, you know, all the gas sliding will come out

and narcissism will come out and I just look at her and she'll just be looking at me. I'm like, man, you could thrash this person right now. What's going on? And she goes, Jason, if I did that all the time, we wouldn't get anywhere. I'm like, oh, there it is. There it is.

You got it? You don't have to react? I won't react for you. We'll just continue to let this coach or this expert or this whatever it is get through whatever they have to get through. No, it's a wild world. And the fact that these platforms, like,

Cam's got a huge platform, right? Like, there are people who don't know what we know or don't have the discernment that we have who have had that kind of or placed that kind of stigma on the services that you're purporting to be giving to people, right? So it's like, I'm already gun shy going into this. And on top of it, you a scammer? Like, oh, I shouldn't believe in any of this as it is.

And then you throw people right back into the spin cycle of not talking to somebody when they need to talk to somebody. It's a wild, wild eco-sphere that's going on out there. But, hey, man, you know, as long as I got the thunder to watch or not watch it anymore, I'm happy. I'm happy. Last thing before we get out of here. Yeah, man.

Russell Wilson going to be doing TV. For who? CBS. Doing what? He'll be an analyst. I think he's going to be in the studio. Really? Talk about anything.

possible. I have no idea how he's going to sound. We're about to have. Why do you think so excited? Because we're about to have the Alfonso-Rabreau conversation. So there's a certain, there's a certain age you have to be. I remember seeing Alfonso-Rabreau on Silver Spoons as a kid, right? There are certain people. He had like a breakboard he used to advertise also, but yes. Damn, that's crazy. Your memory is nuts. But then people got introduced to him on a larger stage,

you know, NBC hit show, Fresh Prince of Bel Air. Every time I see Alfonso Ribero talk, I'm always like, I'm a shit, that is Alfonso. Like, I don't do the crom thing. I go, oh, that's because I can only imagine how hard it is for him to walk the streets of L.A. or wherever he lives and everybody always gone or do the bomb dance, right? I can't wait to see Russell Wilson.

Because Russell is kind of, he's morphed. Like, you know, he's done his thing, right? Like, he did the reverse Kelsey. Like, Sierra dropped that magic dust on him. Like, Lord, give me a more refined future. You know what I mean? No pun intended. You know what I'm saying?

And then he came out, still Russell, still cool, still daddying like a champ. But he went leather, right? He got to fade. You know what I'm saying? He's not going to Borricks for his haircuts anymore. Like, there's a certain thing that's going on. The reverse, Kelsey. I'm wondering, do I have to go on the first Sunday?

I see him. Oh, shit. Is that Alfonso? It's like, I'm wondering, are we going to get Russ? Are we going to get Rdub? Are we going to get Broncos Nation? Let's ride? Are we going to get, you know, that unfortunate picketons.

that it's going to haunt him from draft day forever, by the way. There's the other one with him and the Hawaiian shirt standing outside of the hotel. I haven't seen that one. Yeah, it's just like, it's obviously a shirt this year throughout when she moved in.

He got to the Christmas draws. That's what it is. Da, let me tell you so. When you go through the underwear pile, you're like, I'm down to the Christmas drawers. I need to do some laundry. I want to hear about with Russ Wilson came to his house that day and he went in his closet and nothing was there.

All his shit was gone. Oh, it was gone. I remember when that happened to me, you know what I mean? Women to tell you, this shit you've been wearing wouldn't have got me normally. But we're going to fix this up because I like you. No, no, no. If we get it, I'm telling you, if we get R. Dub instead of Russell, dog, I will, I will have my dad Alfonso moment. I'm going to text you every Sunday about it.

I see it. I promise you. I hope Russell go out there, baritone. I hope he started doing shit, saying shit. I hope... Anything is possible.

It is, though. Right? It is. Anything is on the board. I hope so. I hope so. Sierra, you know what to do.

You know what I mean? Sending to work on a little plate, you know, like Dirk's wife used to. You know what I mean? It still does probably. I'm sure. Sure, she still does.

Oh, yes, you guys. Yeah. Two place that. Yeah. Yeah, like he can't even eat the food they got at the office no more. You know what I'm saying? Like he doesn't see in a whole other way. Yeah.

I mean, and his wife has too. Like, she watches stuff. There, there, there. Jason golf, check him out at the athletic. My brother, I appreciate you. Always, bro. All right, man. And ladies and gentlemen, thanks so much for joining us here on The Right Time.

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